Are JKs coming out in Rpro plastic? Or have they already and just are not marked different.

Hi Dave,

The East CFR selection is looking a little light. I thought Glo Leopards were done? Any plans to add anything since most the Katanas have been sold?

Glow leopards have been run. We are scrambling to mold regular stock right now so nothing new until we catch up.

Are JKs coming out in Rpro plastic? Or have they already and just are not marked different.

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

From Innova website "The Dart is our first disc available in R-Pro material."

Hence my confusion.

Glow leopards have been run. We are scrambling to mold regular stock right now so nothing new until we catch up.

Where are they? I have been waiting for 2 months. I guess I shouldve just bought one online, since the East doesnt and hasnt had any, at least that I know of. Ive been waiting patiently.

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.


R-Pro Rhynos I got in a few months ago had the normal stamp, not an R-Pro.

From Innova website "The Dart is our first disc available in R-Pro material."

Hence my confusion.

I guess that was confusing. It was the first to be called R-Pro, but not the first to be molded in R-Pro.

Where are they? I have been waiting for 2 months. I guess I shouldve just bought one online, since the East doesnt and hasnt had any, at least that I know of. Ive been waiting patiently.

You need to contact Zeb on the East Coast. He does the ordering for CFR.

You need to contact Zeb on the East Coast. He does the ordering for CFR.

Done. Thank You. Once you get caught up, think there could be a future in Champion Glo Roadrunners? I think they would do very well.

Also, what about Star or Champion Pigs?

Dave,

Can you verify/deny the following claim.

I was told that all First Run discs are run using a cheaper "Filler" plastic to basically test out the durability of the mold, make sure large production runs are coming out right and within specs.

The production run is then ran using the normal plastic that will be used for all future runs of a disc.

Is this true?
Is this why First Run discs almost always fly different than the Production runs?
Is this how "Night-Shift" discs were made? Did they run out of regular plastic and try and pull a fast one and use the "Filler" plastic.

Thanks for answering those questions that I'm sure keeps someone somewhere awake at night.

Done. Thank You. Once you get caught up, think there could be a future in Champion Glo Roadrunners? I think they would do very well.

Also, what about Star or Champion Pigs?

Yes to Champion Glo Roadrunners. I don't think Star or Champion Pigs are possible right now. I think they are too heavy, if I remember the test properly.

Thank You Sir.

Dave,

Can you verify/deny the following claim.

I was told that all First Run discs are run using a cheaper "Filler" plastic to basically test out the durability of the mold, make sure large production runs are coming out right and within specs.

The production run is then ran using the normal plastic that will be used for all future runs of a disc.

Is this true?
Is this why First Run discs almost always fly different than the Production runs?
Is this how "Night-Shift" discs were made? Did they run out of regular plastic and try and pull a fast one and use the "Filler" plastic.

Thanks for answering those questions that I'm sure keeps someone somewhere awake at night.

Not true at all. As for first runs being different. It happens sometimes and not others. Different runs may be run with different material batches and therefor might be different or not. On the other hand, there might be something to a brand new mold that does something different, that disappears over time, like the record grooves that are sometimes there. If this is the case, I can't explain it.

re the roc+:
i like the feel of the stiff r-pro plastic, and would love to get a regular rancho roc in this plastic. I like how they are nice and flat.
i like the feel of the roc+ mold, but am still unsure of the slanted inner rim. was this slanted rim the only change in the mold? what was the purpose of the change, a different feel? what is the future of the mold, and what type of feedback are you getting from the team as well as the public?

re the roc+:
i like the feel of the stiff r-pro plastic, and would love to get a regular rancho roc in this plastic. I like how they are nice and flat.
i like the feel of the roc+ mold, but am still unsure of the slanted inner rim. was this slanted rim the only change in the mold? what was the purpose of the change, a different feel? what is the future of the mold, and what type of feedback are you getting from the team as well as the public?

Everything else is the same except it allows us to make heavier discs without as much weighting agent, and discs that feel better in the hand to some. The reaction is mixed. Long time Roc throwers are the most likely to not like it. They like the Roc the way it normally is. Players who didn't like the relatively small Roc rim, like the fuller feel of the + version. I am in this catagory, and prefer the + version. Now, people like me will be able to get the benefit of throwing a Roc for their game. It will likely be used in a limited capacity like R-Pro or a limited variation in some other material like Champion, which is what I prefer. Only R-Pro is main stream.

Dave,

I love the first run star-stamped Bosses. I was wondering how the XG Bosses compare to them. Are they a little flippy, kind of like the first run Bosses or are they just as stable as the Feldbergs? If I am looking for a disc that is comparable to the star-stamped in terms of stability and D, what would be my best bet? Thanks!

What about Star XDs any chance of these getting made agian?

Dave,

I love the first run star-stamped Bosses. I was wondering how the XG Bosses compare to them. Are they a little flippy, kind of like the first run Bosses or are they just as stable as the Feldbergs? If I am looking for a disc that is comparable to the star-stamped in terms of stability and D, what would be my best bet? Thanks!

I doubt that they are as stable as the Feldbergs, but I don't know for sure.

What about Star XDs any chance of these getting made agian?

Definitely a chance, but not likely very soon.

The XGs we had felt similar to the 1st runs, but are more overstable. The new glassy looking Feldbergs are supposedly more straight stable.

Hi Dave,

So whats up with the newest lightweight Star Boss? I have developed a cult following for the 167-168g that show the Starlight mix. The newest are really grippy and dont show the leftover residue. Are they still going to have the same flight lines or is there something different so you dont need the Starlight mix anymore?

Hi Dave,

So whats up with the newest lightweight Star Boss? I have developed a cult following for the 167-168g that show the Starlight mix. The newest are really grippy and dont show the leftover residue. Are they still going to have the same flight lines or is there something different so you dont need the Starlight mix anymore?

The light ones still use the Starlight, but we are getting a little better at it. It's tricky. They still should be very stable to over stable. 166-168gm. Higher weight than that and it's hit and miss as to the stability. Rarely they go down to 165g, but get even more over stable.

Dave,

I have owned or seen some of the champion rhynos that have DX stamps on them. Were these x-outs or was the stamp intentional and is this a rare run? I have seen very many champion discs with DX stamps. Thanks.

Dave,

I have owned or seen some of the champion rhynos that have DX stamps on them. Were these x-outs or was the stamp intentional and is this a rare run? I have seen very many champion discs with DX stamps. Thanks.

Sorry, I don't know anything about a run of Champion Rhyno with a DX stamp.

They werent X-Outs, just a unnumbered run of Champion with the DX stamp. Ive seen a few dozen over the years and owned a few. Alot of Team discs and samplers are/were sent out with DX stamps, but I wouldnt say its common by any means.

Id hang onto that Rhyno.

I think the big question was really rather or not it should be considered an x-out. I cant imagine an x-out getting a dx stamp. The ones I have had no bubbles or flaws in plastic. I always heard they were rather rare. Just hopeing to get some validation on it.

I have 2 clear clear rhyno's with a DX stamp. They are not X-Outs or Factory Seconds. They have no such labeling on them to state that they are.

Hey Dave ,

Anything New on the Horizon of Disc Golf Plastic ?

I have been trying to keep up on the History and Evolution of Innova Plastic !!!!

Thanks ,

Donny Olow
[email protected]

Hey Dave ,

Anything New on the Horizon of Disc Golf Plastic ?

I have been trying to keep up on the History and Evolution of Innova Plastic !!!!

Thanks ,

Donny Olow
[email protected]
Hey Donny,

Nothing on the horizon. I don't know if you have seen all the 159gm discs we have been making.
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Hey Dave,

What happened to your plans to make a boss speed disc w/ xcal like stability?

Thanks,
Trey

Hey Dave,

What happened to your plans to make a boss speed disc w/ xcal like stability?

Thanks,
Trey

Too much other stuff to do. Haven't gotten to it yet.
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Dave,

What is special about the 159g discs?

Thats the new max weight for the Open division in the Japan Open

Dave,

What is special about the 159g discs?


We made several different models specifically for the Japan Open competition that fly very much the same way the heavies do. Star Destroyers, Star Katanas, Star Darts, KC Aviars, R-Pro Rocs, TeeBirds, Banshees, P2s, Monarchs, and a few others. These should make competing in Japan, much easier a transition for the international players.

I must say Dave, that's a pretty good marketing scheme by allowing discs up to 159 grams to be thrown. Everyone going to Japan is gonna want to buy 159.9 if possible.

I have never been to the JO, but i assume that each person's bag gets emptied out and each disc is weighted to ensure each disc is legal.

Is this true?

I have never been to the JO, but i assume that each person's bag gets emptied out and each disc is weighted to ensure each disc is legal.

Is this true?

Yes. The way it was done in 2008, was a stamp was put on certified discs. That year the max was 152. This year it is 159.9gm.

Dave,
Are there any plans to make a new fast and overstable disc? I'm thinking something with Max-like stability with Destroyer-like speed. It's tough for those of us with big arms to get big D in heavy winds using what is currently available. Even Xcalibers aren't cutting it. I've been throwing my XCal with a huge hyzer into a headwind, and it still rolls over.

Could also be a form issue, unless your throwing into 50 mph winds. Just saying.

Could also be a form issue, unless your throwing into 50 mph winds. Just saying.

It's not OAT, believe me. It comes out hyzer, slowly rolls past flat, and finally all the way over. A couple of my local pro's said the same thing as you, until they watched me do it.

The CFR Glow Destroyer replaced my Xcal because the Xcal was getting flippy. It's been in the bag for a few weeks and is still overstable into a headwind.

It's not OAT, believe me. It comes out hyzer, slowly rolls past flat, and finally all the way over. A couple of my local pro's said the same thing as you, until they watched me do it.

We are planning to make a more over stable Boss at some point. You might try to get a hold of a 166-167gm Starlight Boss. Most are pretty stable to very over stable.
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..Or maybe some of the S-XC version Xcaliber. The CFR Glo versions are also pretty overstable.

Starlights are beef. Over a year in the bag and can still throw a turnover that wont stay turned over.

Cool, thanks for the advice.

Hi Dave,

I got some S-TB marked Star Teebirds today, but thought the initial run of Star had the same thing on the back. Are these just old mixed with new or are they part of a stabilized run like the other stuff designated with the "S" first?

Thank You.

I'm looking for these U-Channel dividers for Innova Disc Golf Bags and it looks like everyone is out , including Disc Golf Values.

Any word if they will be available or where or who may have one ?

Thanks in Advance ,

Donny Olow
[email protected]

I'm looking for these U-Channel dividers for Innova Disc Golf Bags and it looks like everyone is out , including Disc Golf Values.

Any word if they will be available or where or who may have one ?

Thanks in Advance ,

Donny Olow
[email protected]
Contact this Pro Shop in Maine : [email protected]
207-229-9825 ask for Linda or Howard I just bought an Innova Bag and didn't need the dividers so I left them with her I think they are $4 don't qoute me on that but I think thats right.

Hi Dave,

I got some S-TB marked Star Teebirds today, but thought the initial run of Star had the same thing on the back. Are these just old mixed with new or are they part of a stabilized run like the other stuff designated with the "S" first?

Thank You.

I don't think they are a part of a stabilized run. S-TB is the normal designation for Star TeeBirds.

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I'm looking for these U-Channel dividers for Innova Disc Golf Bags and it looks like everyone is out , including Disc Golf Values.

Any word if they will be available or where or who may have one ?

Thanks in Advance ,

Donny Olow
[email protected]

Hey Donny. I guess you have to talk to Mark in the office. He might know. I have no clue and I am leaving for Japan tomorrow morning, so I don't think I can find out before then.

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We will run Champion Stingrays at some point. What about the Champion did you like as opposed to the Star or DX?

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thanks for the info. i'll be first in line for these.

the champs that i have are far more durable than the dx, slightly moreso than the star. more importantly, the champs seem to have a more consistent and controllable late turn right (RHBH) and can even be thrown very straight at mid-speed. the stars that i've thrown seem to flip over very quickly out of the hand at a wider array of speeds. i tend to favor max weight champ stingrays where others throw seasoned rocs. i do throw a champ roc when i need an overstable approach disc, but the stingray just feels more natural for a utility/mid-range disc.

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

do they have metallic stamps?

I don't think they are a part of a stabilized run. S-TB is the normal designation for Star TeeBirds.

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Okay thanks Dave. I just wasnt sure as they came with a bunch of " * T " designated Teebirds.

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

I have the same problem when I go through. I travel a lot and always take my discs and now my home airport just knows but the other places they always have to run them through again. I think there is just metallic stuff in the stamps.

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

Dave,

If the Pro Rhyno has always been made of R-Pro, then what was the purpose of the R-Pro Rhyno. Same disc/different stamp?

What I mean is, I have some Pro Rhynos and I have some that say R-Pro Rhyno. Is there a difference?

I did notice that the few R-Pro Rhynos I have, have a slight dome to them.

:confused:

I don't think they are a part of a stabilized run. S-TB is the normal designation for Star TeeBirds.

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Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

Begs the question: Would a magnetic paint applied to the chains lead to less spit-throughs and bounce outs (I'm not familiar with the magnetic properties of metal salts)? I know more than a few disc golfers who would pee their pants at the thought of it.

GUIDELINES & PROCEDURES FOR MANUFACTURERS
TO CERTIFY THAT EQUIPMENT COMPLIES WITH PDGA TECHNICAL STANDARDS Rev. 01/01/2010
Section I (DISCS)
Subsection C (Guidelines for Discs Manufactured for PDGA Competition)
Paragraph 2:
Hi-Tech approved discs must:
be made of solid, non-magnetic plastic material, without any inflatable components

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

not sure if this means anything in the way that you're describing...

from the LED thing on the home page...

"...- Besides glow discs that have been around for 20 years, there are some discs containing LEDs designed for night play on the market like those from Black Jax Sports pictured below. However, the Black Jax Quest and any other LED models currently do not yet meet PDGA specs, primarily because they contain metal. -..."

Dave is on his way to the Japan Open and will not be on the board for awhile. Please be patient.

anyone have feedback on the echo star mako vs. the regular star?

I read on another board (so don't quote me on it) that one is made of Echo STAR material & the other of regular STAR material. Sorry, I'm not sure which is which, though.

anyone have feedback on the echo star mako vs. the regular star?

People are willing to pay around $5 more for echo plastic.

primarily because they contain metal. -..."

Metal salts are not metal, at least in the way that the PDGA means.

GUIDELINES & PROCEDURES FOR MANUFACTURERS
TO CERTIFY THAT EQUIPMENT COMPLIES WITH PDGA TECHNICAL STANDARDS Rev. 01/01/2010
Section I (DISCS)
Subsection C (Guidelines for Discs Manufactured for PDGA Competition)
Paragraph 2:Hi-Tech approved discs must:
be made of solid, non-magnetic plastic material, without any inflatable components

...run through the X-ray scanner...

The metal detector you walk through detects magnetic objects, not the scanner your carry-on passes through.

The scanner checks the density of objects and can determine what materials comprise the object (like metal salts). However, I doubt a metal detector would go off from carrying a disc though.

Dave,

If the Pro Rhyno has always been made of R-Pro, then what was the purpose of the R-Pro Rhyno. Same disc/different stamp?

What I mean is, I have some Pro Rhynos and I have some that say R-Pro Rhyno. Is there a difference?

I did notice that the few R-Pro Rhynos I have, have a slight dome to them.

:confused:

There is no difference between Pro Rhyno and R-Pro. The name R-Pro was used to differentiate driver Pro from Rubber Pro.

Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

You are correct both * and S/ are the same Star designation.

not sure if this means anything in the way that you're describing...

from the LED thing on the home page...

"...- Besides glow discs that have been around for 20 years, there are some discs containing LEDs designed for night play on the market like those from Black Jax Sports pictured below. However, the Black Jax Quest and any other LED models currently do not yet meet PDGA specs, primarily because they contain metal. -..."

Metal sailts are not metal or ferrous magnetic metals. NaCl is a metal salt, and is commonly called table salt.

Metal sailts are not metal or ferrous magnetic metals. NaCl is a metal salt, and is commonly called table salt.

there we go... thanks. i was a bit confused on how metal wasn't metal... it would have been easier for me if you said sodium chloride... lol

Hey there Dave,
I have a small question for ya! When our Club Board sat down and looked through the list of CFR plastic that was available for order I noticed that the Viper was no longer on the list??? Is that now a discontinued plastic for that disc or is there a hidden reason that i have not found yet????

from another forum:
I have been going through every DX Roc I see around here and some of them seem to be Roc+es (is that how you pluralize it?). The weird thing is, the tilt on the rim is not nearly as steep on the DX as it is on the R-Pro when they are held in comparison. I am wondering if it is just the way this newer DX plastic they are using molds up, if it causes the rims to get jacked up? The ones I am seeing have a noticeable tilt on the rim, but nowhere near what the Roc+ is. I have about 30 new Ranchos from nearly every DX and KC Pro run they've put out since 11x, and this new DX plastic is definitely the softest DX I have seen and different from any run prior. It is no secret sometimes plastics mold up unusually (Champ Archangels anyone?), and I am wondering if maybe that is the case with these "mutant" DX Rocs we are seeing. Maybe, just MAYBE it's not all conspiracy theories and smoke and mirrors? Hmmmm?

hey Dave-- I thought you might find the above post interesting. I just got 3 new dx rocs from the recent run and they have slanted inner rims, but all markings indicate dx rancho.
any more thoughts on this?

could you make a roc that has a vertical inner rim wall, but with a slightly wider rim than, but still shaped like, a rancho? I like the idea of a beefier, better feeling roc, but am not a fan at all of the slanted inner rim.

almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing.

lastly- any word on flat, regular production champion gators?

thanks as always

Dave,
I bought a 172g Star Destroyer that is SUPER stable a couple weeks ago, and it's marked S/DS, instead of the regular hand drawn star/D. I know that Star Destroyers generally start out pretty stable, but this thing is crazy. Any idea why? It's blue, domey, and almost seems to have a nipple on top.

Don't really know why, but most likely it is a night shift Destroyer not properly marked. Star is generally supposed to be a -1 high speed for 400ft throws.

Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

You are correct both * and S/ are the same Star designation.

?????

Dave,
You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

Dave,
Will Christian be moving to Team Champion now that he has won an NT? Thanks again!

Dave,
You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

They are the more grippy new looking Star Bosses. They dont seem to be nearly as overstable as the original batches of Starlights. They almost seem like different plastic altogether.

Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes:
Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star?

almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing.



I agree be a great subsitute to a KC Pro Aviar for winter or raining days. That plastic would stick the chains well. Nice n Grippy

Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes:
Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star?

Echo seems to fly a little more broken in, or less stable. They finish like a new disc though.

Test run new mold r-pro roc (+) plus

Hey there Dave,
I have a small question for ya! When our Club Board sat down and looked through the list of CFR plastic that was available for order I noticed that the Viper was no longer on the list??? Is that now a discontinued plastic for that disc or is there a hidden reason that i have not found yet????

The Viper is normally run in DX. Occasionally we run Vipers in Champion and they would be used for CFR. We may again run these in the future when we get an opportunity.

from another forum:
I have been going through every DX Roc I see around here and some of them seem to be Roc+es (is that how you pluralize it?). The weird thing is, the tilt on the rim is not nearly as steep on the DX as it is on the R-Pro when they are held in comparison. I am wondering if it is just the way this newer DX plastic they are using molds up, if it causes the rims to get jacked up? The ones I am seeing have a noticeable tilt on the rim, but nowhere near what the Roc+ is. I have about 30 new Ranchos from nearly every DX and KC Pro run they've put out since 11x, and this new DX plastic is definitely the softest DX I have seen and different from any run prior. It is no secret sometimes plastics mold up unusually (Champ Archangels anyone?), and I am wondering if maybe that is the case with these "mutant" DX Rocs we are seeing. Maybe, just MAYBE it's not all conspiracy theories and smoke and mirrors? Hmmmm?

hey Dave-- I thought you might find the above post interesting. I just got 3 new dx rocs from the recent run and they have slanted inner rims, but all markings indicate dx rancho.
any more thoughts on this?

could you make a roc that has a vertical inner rim wall, but with a slightly wider rim than, but still shaped like, a rancho? I like the idea of a beefier, better feeling roc, but am not a fan at all of the slanted inner rim.

almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing.

lastly- any word on flat, regular production champion gators?

thanks as always

We did not run DX in Roc +, however it is possible the R-Pro were stamped with DX. Both the Roc+ and Rancho say Rancho, but the pattern is different.

Good idea with the BB in stiffer R-Pro.

No word yet on the Gators.

Dave,
You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

In the past, Starlite was the only process for producing lighter weight Destroyers. We just ran Destroyers down to 158gms and most were not beefy. We did include some Starlite Destroyer that were used for Japan that were very beefy. Mostly pinkish.

Dave,
Will Christian be moving to Team Champion now that he has won an NT? Thanks again!

I will have to review the stats with Jonathan Poole.

Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes:
Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star?

Yes, there are almost always some variations. Eco Star seems to be consistently more domey. Sometimes more stable as in the case of the first run of Eco Destroyers, and sometimes a little less stable. Usually always with more glide that goes with the dome.

My New Echo Destroyer (has the echo stamp) fliys like a slightly broke in D. Out of the hand straight with a bit of anny and has a predictable fade to it Real nice. Has great glide can't wait to get it broke in a bit. I think it will be a great hyzer flip once it beats up a bit. Im loving it so far

Dave,

Who does the I-Dye discs that Innova sends out?

Is this something you do in house, or do you outsource this?

Thanks!

Dave,

Who does the I-Dye discs that Innova sends out?

Is this something you do in house, or do you outsource this?

Thanks!

We outsource to two different places. One for the east coast and one for the west.
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Dave,

Any chance the groove will go into the regular eco star line?

Thanks

Dave,

Any chance the groove will go into the regular eco star line?

Thanks

Yes, at some point.

Hey Dave,

What would you consider to be the flippiest or least stable main-production Boss? I've heard the max weight Stars will turn more than any Champ. What about the Ecos?

Thanks!

Hey Dave,

What would you consider to be the flippiest or least stable main-production Boss? I've heard the max weight Stars will turn more than any Champ. What about the Ecos?

Thanks!

The Echos are about the same as the Star. The Pros are a little flippier. The R-Pro are the flippiest.

The Viper is normally run in DX. Occasionally we run Vipers in Champion and they would be used for CFR. We may again run these in the future when we get an opportunity.


it sure would be nice if you ran them more offen. I hate paying 30 bucks for champ vipers on Ebay

Hey Dave,

I heard about a Discmania disc similar to a Boss/Katana was supposed to be coming out at some point....Can you tell us when we could see one?

Hey Dave,

I heard about a Discmania disc similar to a Boss/Katana was supposed to be coming out at some point....Can you tell us when we could see one?

We haven't even test shot it yet. We are way behind our molding schedule at this point. If it tests out well, it will be out before the end of the season. We already know it won't be available in anything but heavy weights for S-series because of the structure. It might work in something like R-Pro for lower weights though.

Hi Dave,

So on the collector thread Rick says you said only red for 1st Run CE, with the exception of Valks? Does this seem correct? I understand that there isnt alot of info out there from that timeframe, and memories are only so good. But....over the past 5 years I have seen stuff I never thought I would, and I run into stuff that supposedly doesnt exist.

Are you ever going to try to set things straight or keep letting people dictate what supposedly exists and what doesnt? Im not asking for a complete record, which would be nice, but at some point shouldnt there be some sort of official guideline? Im sure this is a big venture, so in the meantime:

Was there only red CE released in the first run batches? What about white and blueberry type colors, or transitional colors?

Hi Dave,

So on the collector thread Rick says you said only red for 1st Run CE, with the exception of Valks? Does this seem correct? I understand that there isnt alot of info out there from that timeframe, and memories are only so good. But....over the past 5 years I have seen stuff I never thought I would, and I run into stuff that supposedly doesnt exist.

Are you ever going to try to set things straight or keep letting people dictate what supposedly exists and what doesnt? Im not asking for a complete record, which would be nice, but at some point shouldnt there be some sort of official guideline? Im sure this is a big venture, so in the meantime:

Was there only red CE released in the first run batches? What about white and blueberry type colors, or transitional colors?

I can only remember what I can remember. Some discs, like the Eagle came in Yellow and Red, (that I can remember). Some discs, like the Valkyrie, FL, and TL came predominately in Red. TeeBirds, I don't remember color wise. There were a small amount of other colors like blueberry for Valks and possibly FLs. White was a second run color for Valks. All first runs had flash.

Thanks alot Dave.

Hey Dave,

The Coyote used to be 4|5|-1|0, now its 4|5|0|1..... Is it more stable now?

Thanks again

Hey Dave,

The Coyote used to be 4|5|-1|0, now its 4|5|0|1..... Is it more stable now?

Thanks again

Yes, it is slightly more stable.

Not sure if this has been covered, but why are the Wraiths numbers changing?

Hey Dave,
Is it a possibility eco star roadrunners will ever be produced?

Not sure if this has been covered, but why are the Wraiths numbers changing?


From what to what? 11,5,-1,3 is what I have.

Hey Dave,
Is it a possibility eco star roadrunners will ever be produced?

Yes. I would be surprised if they haven't been run, but I can't recall at this point.

Not sure if this has been covered, but why are the Wraiths numbers changing?


I found out that someone goofed with a new hot stamp. They put the wrong
speed number on it. It will be fixed. Meanwhile, new collector discs, I assume.

Meanwhile, new collector discs, I assume.

:-D

Hey Dave, more of a personal question I guess, than the typical. Walking into my friends house that I had never been to, I walked into a house with every wall covered with discs. Got me to wondering, "does Dave Dunipace have discs hanging on his walls in his house?" And if you had to chose just one of those discs that you have collected over the years to call your absolute favorite disc in the whole world, what would it be, and why?

Hey Dave, more of a personal question I guess, than the typical. Walking into my friends house that I had never been to, I walked into a house with every wall covered with discs. Got me to wondering, "does Dave Dunipace have discs hanging on his walls in his house?" And if you had to chose just one of those discs that you have collected over the years to call your absolute favorite disc in the whole world, what would it be, and why?

I do not have many discs at my house. And those are player discs, not collector. I have lots of discs at the office; on the walls, stacks, boxes, archives. I never really collected any discs at all myself except the very first shot out of our very first mold.

I never really collected any discs at all myself except the very first shot out of our very first mold.

Except for the one with the most meaning, and therefore probably the most valuable in more ways than one. Thats awesome Dave.

Dave,
There were 3 test shots right? What was the total number of discs made in each shot? I have one that I bought from Mark years ago from the 3rd shot he told me. I did see some from the first shot that Mark and Ahart have.

Dave,
There were 3 test shots right? What was the total number of discs made in each shot? I have one that I bought from Mark years ago from the 3rd shot he told me. I did see some from the first shot that Mark and Ahart have.

No one has the first two test shots. There were only two and I knew the mold was made wrong. One was cut in half to be examined, the other I kept. This was a hybrid disc which had the correct top and side, but incorrect bottom part. It essentially was the correct Aero shape with too thick of a flight plate.

When the tool maker "corrected" the first shots, the Eagle was made. One month later the Eagle was again corrected to the Aero.

There is no difference between Pro Rhyno and R-Pro. The name R-Pro was used to differentiate driver Pro from Rubber Pro.

I see, but what causes the R-Pro Rhynos to have a dome if they're the same plastic. I own around 15 Pro Rhynos and none of them have a dome. I've seen, felt and thrown about 7-8 R-Pro stamped Rhynos and all had a slight dome. I've seen the same thing mentioned on other forums and by other people.

I see, but what causes the R-Pro Rhynos to have a dome if they're the same plastic. I own around 15 Pro Rhynos and none of them have a dome. I've seen, felt and thrown about 7-8 R-Pro stamped Rhynos and all had a slight dome. I've seen the same thing mentioned on other forums and by other people.

That effect is dependent on the particular batch of plastic we get from the manufacturer, whether it's Pro, R-Pro or Champion. Same thing happens with drivers. For instance, we haven't had real flat Champion Firebirds in a while, because the plastic just isn't amenable to it.

Dave,
There were 3 test shots right? What was the total number of discs made in each shot? I have one that I bought from Mark years ago from the 3rd shot he told me. I did see some from the first shot that Mark and Ahart have.

I guess I should have answered your real question. There were test shots of the Eagle mold after it was retooled from the first test. Those were whitish clear and there weren't very many, but I don't remember how many. After that we did a test shot of colors in a fairly stiff material. There were a significant number of these in bright florescent red/magenta, orange, yellow, and (I think) blue. After this, we did a run of speckled orange in the proper material. This was 3000. We got rid of the specks and ran 7000 more in total of pink, orange, yellow, and blue. Pink were generally 70s, orange were 60s, yellow were 50s and blue were 30s. After this the mold was retooled to the Aero.

The Eagle I bought from Mark is a white blank. I have about 50 Eagle's, don't think any of them have speck's. I do have one with the "TM" on it.

Thx for the info

The Eagle I bought from Mark is a white blank. I have about 50 Eagle's, don't think any of them have speck's. I do have one with the "TM" on it.

Thx for the info

The white/clear are definitely the rarest, followed by the bright colored sample run for dealers.

Dave,
Is innova ever going to make the 11x firebird mold again?

Dave,
Is innova ever going to make the 11x firebird mold again?

I sure hope so or at least a flat 12x. I wish this new champion plastic would come out flatter than it does. I like domey star and pro but I LOVE flat champion.

Dave,
Is innova ever going to make the 11x firebird mold again?

The mold is the same as 12X. If you mean flat Firebirds, I hope so. Materials make the difference. We can artificially make them flatter with a softer material, but ideally we will come up with a normal material that produces flat Firebirds.

Dave,

Do you foresee a standard/normal run of Champion Gazelles in the near future?

The mold is the same as 12X. If you mean flat Firebirds, I hope so. Materials make the difference. We can artificially make them flatter with a softer material, but ideally we will come up with a normal material that produces flat Firebirds.

Flat Champion Everything!!!!!!!!! I can't stand domey Champ discs. Echo Star Fine thats what they are but I grew to love my flat Champion plastic.

ya me too, it just is more stable and flys alot better.

We can artificially make them flatter ...

I've artificially flattened a few discs from time to time. I don't throw artificially flattened discs and I don't keep track of who buys them from me! :eek:

Dave,

Do you foresee a standard/normal run of Champion Gazelles in the near future?


No. The closest I see is a limited run and I don't know when that can happen.

Dave-
What/when/where can I find the old Bulldog putters? I have one and it will not last forever...does anyone out there have a stockpile by chance???? This is one of the best wind putters and approach discs I have ever thrown...
Thanks!
Chad

The mold is the same as 12X. If you mean flat Firebirds, I hope so. Materials make the difference. We can artificially make them flatter with a softer material, but ideally we will come up with a normal material that produces flat Firebirds.

so the star material changed too then? Because the older runs of star firebirds are flat too, and all the new ones are domey and fly way different. The flat star FB firebird is one of the best discs to break in! need those flat FBs

Dave-
What/when/where can I find the old Bulldog putters? I have one and it will not last forever...does anyone out there have a stockpile by chance???? This is one of the best wind putters and approach discs I have ever thrown...
Thanks!
Chad

We no longer make Bulldogs. I don't know who still has them. The Hydra took the place of the Bulldog after it was made more high speed stable.

How about a champion Cheetah. I killed one of three I had so now only have one back up.

How about a champion Cheetah. I killed one of three I had so now only have one back up.

Right now a Millennium LS would be the closest we make. It might happen in a limited run in the future, but it's not on the schedule.

any word on when the production run champion discmania pd's will be available? I love the ones you did for the big d but they're super flat and lack the glide of the s and p plastic pds. I recently saw pictures and have heard reviews of the c-pd's that were used as cfr over seas in europe and those came out with a little more dome.

any word on when the production run champion discmania pd's will be available? I love the ones you did for the big d but they're super flat and lack the glide of the s and p plastic pds. I recently saw pictures and have heard reviews of the c-pd's that were used as cfr over seas in europe and those came out with a little more dome.

There was only one batch made so far. We haven't made plans to make a regular production run. That will be up to Discmania to decide. My guess is not this season.

dave,
is the s-line pd1 putter's shape and feel very similar to the big bead aviar? i take it that the s-line plastic is similar to innova's star plastic?

dave,
is the s-line pd1 putter's shape and feel very similar to the big bead aviar? i take it that the s-line plastic is similar to innova's star plastic?

no to the first and yes to the second question. The PD1s shape is similar to the regular putter. The PD2 is much more similar to the big bead, except it doesn't have a bead.

Dave,

has the wraith been retooled? Here's a picture of a wraith from a few years back and a new pro

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs115.ash2/39102_1579558248208_1213215445_1649503_4794936_n.j pg

Dave, I'm sure this has been asked before but couldn't find an answer anywhere, but roughly when were the last runs of CE plastic ran? I have a CFR TL with a 2003 club stamp on it that I'm wondering about. That whole timeframe of the CE-proline-champion transition is when I first started playing and didn't pay enough attention at the time to know what was what. Thanks in advance.

Dave,
Why the retool on the XD? The new ones seem realy understable and domey. I really prefer the "micro" beaded ones with the flat top. A much better disc IMO.

Any chance of making Star XDs again? or Champion for that matter?

Dave,
Any Idea is this one is realy black or dyed? Did you guys make some black ones of these I have only seen white til now. I know they can be dyed as I have dyed 2 of mine.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1st-Run-Pro-Aviar-Innova-Disc-Golf-CE-MINT-175g-/290448082067?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a00e0493

Dave's not here :)

He's here: http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551#Senior%20Grandmasters

Dave's not here :)


Why does that make me think of Cheech and Chong?

Why does that make me think of Cheech and Chong?

Dave's not here man...:cool:

Why does that make me think of Cheech and Chong?

Because even though I have never smoked - I recognize funny comedy bits. :)

Dave,

has the wraith been retooled? Here's a picture of a wraith from a few years back and a new pro

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs115.ash2/39102_1579558248208_1213215445_1649503_4794936_n.j pg

The Wraith on the left has been trimmed too deeply. Same mold. Poor trimming.

Dave, I'm sure this has been asked before but couldn't find an answer anywhere, but roughly when were the last runs of CE plastic ran? I have a CFR TL with a 2003 club stamp on it that I'm wondering about. That whole timeframe of the CE-proline-champion transition is when I first started playing and didn't pay enough attention at the time to know what was what. Thanks in advance.

We changed the name from CE to Champion in about 2004, but that is a guess. The plastic we use to make CE and Champion is always changing from the manufacturer.

Dave,
Why the retool on the XD? The new ones seem realy understable and domey. I really prefer the "micro" beaded ones with the flat top. A much better disc IMO.

Any chance of making Star XDs again? or Champion for that matter?

The stripper, (which had the micro bead), was worn out and replaced with the no bead version. The domey and understable is an artifact of the particular run, (plastic batch) not the mold difference.

Dave,
Any Idea is this one is realy black or dyed? Did you guys make some black ones of these I have only seen white til now. I know they can be dyed as I have dyed 2 of mine.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1st-Run-Pro-Aviar-Innova-Disc-Golf-CE-MINT-175g-/290448082067?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a00e0493

Could have happened as black is a normal pigment we use sparingly. I can't vouch for it though.

Dave,
Mangone has a DGA Kitty Hawk for sale and in the description he says Innova made this disc for them based on the Birdie mold. The disc has the normal Kitty Hawk stamp with 1984 on it. Did Innova make these?

Dave,
Mangone has a DGA Kitty Hawk for sale and in the description he says Innova made this disc for them based on the Birdie mold. The disc has the normal Kitty Hawk stamp with 1984 on it. Did Innova make these?

As far as I recall, the Kitty Hawk was a Puppy type disc. We made a Gumputt for DGA, at one time, but I don't think we ever made a Kitty Hawk for them unless they called the Gumputt a Kitty Hawk. We did make two types of Gumputts. One was based on the original (no thumtrac) Birdie, and one was based on the Polecat.

Dave, I noticed that Zonedriven is getting ramped up for USDGC Rocs right now. Do you know if they will have standard Rancho thrower Rocs this year, or will they all be the R+ mold? Any chance of a thrower Rancho Glow?

Dave, I noticed that Zonedriven is getting ramped up for USDGC Rocs right now. Do you know if they will have standard Rancho thrower Rocs this year, or will they all be the R+ mold? Any chance of a thrower Rancho Glow?

I would imagine they would have some thrower in most types. I believe the collectors are going to be R+. I don't know for sure. These are questions better directed at Jonathan Poole at the USDGC site.

I don't think there will be any Throwers this year, there will be multi stamped X outs. Total number of discs have been cut in half from previous years, to 1500. Partners will be limited to 9 each Collectors Series and 1 POW/ MIA. ZD will auction some of the highly collectible #1 discs on eBay. I've heard they will be Champion Ontario's.

ZD has really stepped up their game. I can't wait to recieve my order.

Some discs will be released to the public, from ZD

At this point we plan to release a few hundred discs, maybe less, via the pro shop at http://www.discgolfunited.com/ Partners will be able to order additional discs online at that time. An online release would not take place until all Partner orders have been shipped. The selection of discs for an online release has not been determined.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I'm not really interested in the numbed collectable discs to throw (that's a bit of a waste for money). Whether they sell X-Outs or stamped throwers really makes no difference to me as long as they're cheap enough to throw.

As far as I recall, the Kitty Hawk was a Puppy type disc. We made a Gumputt for DGA, at one time, but I don't think we ever made a Kitty Hawk for them unless they called the Gumputt a Kitty Hawk. We did make two types of Gumputts. One was based on the original (no thumtrac) Birdie, and one was based on the Polecat.

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.
Dave, can you remember whcih years you made the Gumputts, Birdie resp Polecat?

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.
Dave, can you remember whcih years you made the Gumputts, Birdie resp Polecat?

I believe the original type round edge Birdie Gumputts were made in about 1992. The squarer edged type were probably about 1993.

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.


That's what I thought. I questioned because Mangone had said this in his item description.

Dave
I thought everyone would get a kick out of this, it is the first suggestion that came up for the mis spelled name Dunipace in a list of pictures for DiscGolfer from the pro worlds as I corresponded with a photographer.




http://lakefrontdiscgolf.com/Lakefront%20DGC%20Root%20Folder/Images/MiscImages/DunipaceSpaceship.jpg

2010 USDGC Roc's.
The breakdown is as follows :
1124 Champion Roc+ Ranchos
225 Champion San Marinos
151 Champion Ontarios

0 Ranchos :(.

My thoughts exactly

Boo.

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

Even if this was possible, which I doubt it is since from what I understand Echo is unthrown, unused plastic...can you imagine the cost to produce you 1 discs?

Also, if you wanted to get a pure CE product, you would have to grind many discs to do it, because you would be starting a new run, and usually, those discs are no good in some way, mainly because the mold is not hot enough, and there would be no way to quickly regrind those initial discs to feed back into the hopper during the same run, so those discs made that way would be very expensive indeed, because you would to grind many, many discs before you got one good one. And that one would be probably a browish color, unless one was very careful about what color discs to grind to create the material for the new discs.

And yes, I do have a background in extrusion.

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

I like leopard what do you want for them?

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

It is physically possible to grind up old CE and remake them. However, the product would not be the same, plus as Bill said, you would have to grind many old discs, at the proper weight, clean, repelletize and dry it, (as straight regrind would not run properly). If the old CE was out in the sunlight, it would have been subject to UV radiation which kills plastic over time. So, whatever characteristic you were looking for from your old CE, would be gone anyway.

I was just thinking that if someone had a grouping of new, unthrown CE, in the same color from the same run, that it might be possible. I understand the logistics would make it difficult, yet not impossible.

Hey Dave - I just picked up an S-Line PD @ 149 grams. How would you compare the S-Line PD with other discs in the current Innova line?

Hey Dave - I just picked up an S-Line PD @ 149 grams. How would you compare the S-Line PD with other discs in the current Innova line?

The PD is kind of like a cross between a TeeBird and Starfire, with a little Firebird thrown in. It has the speed of a 9+, the glide of a Viking or Valkyrie, with more stability than any other 9 speed disc other than the Firebird. From what I have been told, the first run was more over stable than the second.

To Quote some of the Fine Folks over at the DiscGolfReview.com Forums:

The PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Also, might i suggest the Gospel of the PD?

http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12278&start=1335

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,

pm sent

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,

While it could possibly happen at some point in the future, we have no current plans to do so. Sorry.

.

Could you do a Zephyr run in Black for me Daddy-O?


Have you ever done Zephyr's in GLOW?



Do you see an Echo Star Beast in the near future??


Thanks.


p.s. - your video post on forehand really helped me out.


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Could you do a Zephyr run in Black for me Daddy-O?


Have you ever done Zephyr's in GLOW?



Do you see an Echo Star Beast in the near future??


Thanks.


p.s. - your video post on forehand really helped me out.


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We can run Zephyr's in black. Don't know when they are scheduled. I don't know if we have run them in glow, but I don't think so.

Echo Star Beast will be run. Hopefully very soon.

Dave,
Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there chance we will see some of the discmania drivers run in echo star? I think alot of people would dig an echo pd.
Thanks,
Zach J.

Dave,
Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there chance we will see some of the discmania drivers run in echo star? I think alot of people would dig an echo pd.
Thanks,
Zach J.

That is up to Discmania, but it might be a good idea at some point.

Echo Star Beast will be run. Hopefully very soon.

i just did a lil dance

great decision! let us know when these are available please!!

thanks

(don't forget about the green echo star mini drivers at some point!)

the snake strike putt video is right on point, great great advice

Dave,
Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there chance we will see some of the discmania drivers run in echo star? I think alot of people would dig an echo pd.
Thanks,
Zach J.

We will have to wait a while to try the PD in Echo, but we have a new driver for Discmania in right now and we are going to test shoot that in Echo S.

Dave, is that the driver Discette mentioned Mark at DGV selling for EDGE? Are the ones he's selling Echo*?

We will have to wait a while to try the PD in Echo

I asked Jussi about this, and he said it would be a while. :(

Dave, is that the driver Discette mentioned Mark at DGV selling for EDGE? Are the ones he's selling Echo*?

Those are proto DD2s. P-Line. Not Echo, but we will be testing Echo in this model.

Gotcha. Thanks Dave.

Have you thrown the DD2? Was the small groove on the top a conseqence of the molding process, or is it actually designed into the top. I was under the impression that all of the Discmania drivers shared the "Anhyzer" top, and the groove isn't present on any of their other molds.

my buddy has an Innova Champion Discs Inc Aviar putter. We are trying to figure out when it was made. It is red with gold writing and says Aviar big across the front . We are thinking mid 80's. any clues help us out!

my buddy has an Innova Champion Discs Inc Aviar putter. We are trying to figure out when it was made. It is red with gold writing and says Aviar big across the front . We are thinking mid 80's. any clues help us out!

Picture?

Gotcha. Thanks Dave.

Have you thrown the DD2? Was the small groove on the top a conseqence of the molding process, or is it actually designed into the top. I was under the impression that all of the Discmania drivers shared the "Anhyzer" top, and the groove isn't present on any of their other molds.

The groove is an artifact of molding the DD2. I have thrown the DD2 quite a bit both side arm and backhand.

The groove is an artifact of molding the DD2. I have thrown the DD2 quite a bit both side arm and backhand.

So Dave, can you tell us a little bit more about the DD2? I have heard comparisons of a cross between a Boss and Katana. The flight rating given from Mark on Ebay kinda confirmed that, but while testing it what was it like?

***Oh and the DD2s that are on Ebay for the EDGE program - what type of plastic is that?

Thanks!

I will get a picture later, having problems loading it

So Dave, can you tell us a little bit more about the DD2? I have heard comparisons of a cross between a Boss and Katana. The flight rating given from Mark on Ebay kinda confirmed that, but while testing it what was it like?

***Oh and the DD2s that are on Ebay for the EDGE program - what type of plastic is that?

Thanks!
The discs on Ebay are P-Line. They fly in between a Katana and Boss for flight characteristic, but as fast as a Katana with maybe more glide. Very easy to throw relative to the Boss. More controllable, relative to the Katana. Stable enough to not have to worry about flipping them easily. Lots of distance.

Hey Dave,

Which Makos seem to be the most stable? regular star, first run star, or echo star?

Thanks

Dave,
Have they ever made the TL in champion plastic and are there any plans to do so in the future?

Dave,
Have they ever made the TL in champion plastic and are there any plans to do so in the future?

YES --- and --- I HOPE SO!

i could use another. i only have a first run but it is too light

Dave,
Have they ever made the TL in champion plastic and are there any plans to do so in the future?

Yes, we have in the past, but had some problems with bubbles in the rim so they weren't widely distributed. We will run some when we can. Hopefully by next season when we have a little more room to operate.

Hey Dave,

Which Makos seem to be the most stable? regular star, first run star, or echo star?

Thanks

I don't know off hand, but I will find if there is a difference. If you're interested in a more stable Mako, try a Champion Coyote.

I don't know off hand, but I will find if there is a difference. If you're interested in a more stable Mako, try a Champion Coyote.

Thanks, I might check out a coyote sometime. I have found the 1st run makos to be more domey and less stable, the regular run seems to be flatter and stable, and the echo star varies. Isnt there a discmania version of the mako with a bead?

The champ makos are very stable. You can find some xouts on discgolfvalues

Thanks, I might check out a coyote sometime. I have found the 1st run makos to be more domey and less stable, the regular run seems to be flatter and stable, and the echo star varies. Isnt there a discmania version of the mako with a bead?

Discmania has the MD1 and MD2. The MD1 would be more similar than the MD2. The MD1 is a little more stable than an Ontario Roc. The suggestion to try the Champion Mako is good.

Dave,
Being as how you're signed up for the event, do you know what CFR discs are planning on being offered at Duos in the Desert next weekend? I'm looking forward to meeting you and some other folks in the DG history books at the tournament.

Dave,
Being as how you're signed up for the event, do you know what CFR discs are planning on being offered at Duos in the Desert next weekend? I'm looking forward to meeting you and some other folks in the DG history books at the tournament.

I don't know about CFR discs for this event, but I believe Mark at discgolfvalues would know if there are any. He sells them for Vegas sometimes.

Yes, we have in the past, but had some problems with bubbles in the rim so they weren't widely distributed. We will run some when we can. Hopefully by next season when we have a little more room to operate.

If you are running a tournament you can order them. You just cant get them in normal retail. I still have a stack of BDGA Tournament Series stamped ones from a few months ago.

Discmania has the MD1 and MD2. The MD1 would be more similar than the MD2. The MD1 is a little more stable than an Ontario Roc. The suggestion to try the Champion Mako is good.

Thanks

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

If there were a financially-viable market for a hi-tech plastic Wolf, Innova would make a hi-tech plastic Wolf.

Innova does not make a hi-tech plastic Wolf.

∴ You figger it out.

I would like Dave to answer it is the topic of this thread.

There are a lot of discs that are CFR that would sell well if released normally but there is a reason they are CFR. The Star Destroyer was out for how long before we saw a champ non CFR version? There are other reasons, Im sure, than just demand for discs to be held up in production of alternate plastics including inventory space, mold storage, plastic shortages, mold technology issues, scrap rates. It could also be a capacity issue.

There are a lot of discs that are CFR that would sell well if released normally but there is a reason they are CFR. The Star Destroyer was out for how long before we saw a champ non CFR version? There are other reasons, Im sure, than just demand for discs to be held up in production of alternate plastics including inventory space, mold storage, plastic shortages, mold technology issues, scrap rates. It could also be a capacity issue.

I thought you wanted Dave to answer. I must've read wrong. :confused:

Dave,

Why is Jonathan Poole going to sell all the extra rocs he has to the public at the same price as what the USDGC partners got them for?

Was that not the point of paying an extra $100 to get one of the coveted Partner spots? To have access to Rocs that the regular joe cant buy, except through them (the sponsor)?

Would it not have been easier to offer all the partners a chance to buy them up first since they were limited at 10 Rocs a piece?

All i see this doing is shooting the Partners in the foot since they became a sponsor to support the USDGC, and make money off the Rocs as an added bonus.

I am not a USDGC Partner, but a very surprised Roc collector who expected to pay more than Sponsor price per roc this year.

It's my understanding the Partners could order 10 more yesterday. The remaining Roc's were going to be made available to the 16 people on the Partner waiting list. They shouldn't reach the public.

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

We tried the Wolf in Star and Champion. It didn't have a good turn or good glide. Also, the ones we made didn't sell well, so we stopped making them.

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

Innova makes the Millenium Aurora MS (pro plastic), the Sirius MS (star plastic) or the QMS (champion plastic). the clear QMS's are more overstable than i like but the old opaque QMS and the new Sirius MS (aka: SMS) work for me much better than a Z Buzzz. the MS also pre-dates the Buzzz by quite a bit.
i think Dave has said the he is surprised how under-appreciated the MS is and that it is one of the best discs he has ever designed.

that said, i have never thrown a Wolf...

We tried the Wolf in Star and Champion. It didn't have a good turn or good glide. Also, the ones we made didn't sell well, so we stopped making them.

Thanks for trying! Bergey told me you wouldn't even do that :-P LIAR!

Dave,
Was that not the point of paying an extra $100 to get one of the coveted Partner spots? To have access to Rocs that the regular joe cant buy, except through them (the sponsor)?


Partners pay for the privilege of being the FIRST to purchase, not exclusive rights to purchase. Allowing others to get in on the sales should actually help partners "..make money off Rocs as an added bonus."

Here is link to a news release on USDGC site explaining the goals for this year's release.

http://zonedriven.com/03/30/33010-usdgc-rocs


Excerpt:
...One thing we have lost over the years however, is the frenzy that came years ago during the online release. Before the USDGC Partner program, ALL USDGC Rocs were released online in a first come, first served fashion. This created a unique buying frenzy that while at times frustrating (on both sides) generated a nirvana that made the program even more successful. We simply must regain some of that energy with the next release.

....That said, we are considering an online release of some kind at DGU. This will enable the entire disc golf community to get involved once again, which should in return, create an energy that has been sorely missing for the last few years. In the end, that lack of participation seems to have eliminated the hype that in turn helped to fuel collectability.

Will the Teebird+ be ran in pro plastic?

Will the Teebird+ be ran in pro plastic?

It was mainly made for Champion. We haven't thought about running them in Pro. Why do you ask?

Dave any chance you will do Star XDs again. So many people ask me where do you get those. I tell em Ebay if your lucky. They are tough to find there as well. Such a great disc and alot of people love them Bring them back Please

Dave any chance you will do Star XDs again. So many people ask me where do you get those. I tell em Ebay if your lucky. They are tough to find there as well. Such a great disc and alot of people love them Bring them back Please

We will run Star XDs in small quantities from time to time. Hopefully, we will have set up a site by next year, where we will house and sell the non mainstream discs that enthusiasts want.

It was mainly made for Champion. We haven't thought about running them in Pro. Why do you ask?



Honestly I have always like mid grade plastic teebird (old KC, non-champion platic) and they are becoming more and more scarce. I throw Champion teebird+'s and I like the grip and I'd like to get back to just carrying one mold for my fairway drivers. Currently I'm carrying a TB+, Ch TB, Ch EL, CE EL and 2 CE TL's. Not To mention I have greater sucess with any anhyzers and flat shots with a beat in disc that was over stable at one point in time.

Honestly I have always like mid grade plastic teebird (old KC, non-champion platic) and they are becoming more and more scarce. I throw Champion teebird+'s and I like the grip and I'd like to get back to just carrying one mold for my fairway drivers. Currently I'm carrying a TB+, Ch TB, Ch EL, CE EL and 2 CE TL's. Not To mention I have greater sucess with any anhyzers and flat shots with a beat in disc that was over stable at one point in time.

So, you are talking about KC Pro Roc type plastic rather than driver Pro?

We will run Star XDs in small quantities from time to time. Hopefully, we will have set up a site by next year, where we will house and sell the non mainstream discs that enthusiasts want.

Sweet keep us posted... and let us know when you do run Star XDs please so I can order more. I have one good one left. I left one in the back window of my car and it warpped so bad it has indented star pattern in it. Now its unpredicticable. Sometimes it flips others it dosent. It has become a back yard putter

So, you are talking about KC Pro Roc type plastic rather than driver Pro?

Well I guess you could say that since old Pro teebirds did have KC on them, but even when the regular pro teebirds came out I used them once I ran out of the old KC ones. I'm just saying I'd like to see some teebird+'s in the same plastic as the current driver proline.

Hi Dave-
how close are you guys to making stock flat champ gators?

thanks

Hi Dave-
how close are you guys to making stock flat champ gators?

thanks

We are not scheduled to run Ch Gators at this time. I don't know if they would run flat next time or not, but nothing else is at this point.

Hi Dave,

I'm curious about the flashing on discs. I just recently won an auction on Ebay for an '06 USDGC SB Roc. When I received the disc, I noticed that the disc was not smooth along the edges. It had clearly looked like someone had cut the flashing off by hand and did a pretty poor job of it.

My question is do you cut the flashing off during the disc making process? If you do, do you do it by hand or trim it by machine?

I know it sounds like a silly question and perhaps even obvious.

Thanks,

Todd

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Hi Dave,

I'm curious about the flashing on discs. I just recently won an auction on Ebay for an '06 USDGC SB Roc. When I received the disc, I noticed that the disc was not smooth along the edges. It had clearly looked like someone had cut the flashing off by hand and did a pretty poor job of it.

My question is do you cut the flashing off during the disc making process? If you do, do you do it by hand or trim it by machine?

I know it sounds like a silly question and perhaps even obvious.

Thanks,

Todd

Not a silly question at all. The flashing is taken off by hand for Champion, Pro, and Star. Usually, the workers do a pretty good job, but trimming errors do occur and are sometimes a cause for a disc to be an X-Part. We have tried to find a way to automate it, but so far, no go.

Dave,

Has a Champ Glow Mako been made? If not, will it?
Thanks,

Seriously? I dont think a trimming machine would be that hard to make. On my budget maybe, but I doubt on yours.

If you said it was easier or more efficient to do it by hand, that I can see.


I did hear a rumor once Discraft offered to sell thier device? If they do them by hand, Id not only be suprised, but impressed at thier quality control.

Dave,

Has a Champ Glow Mako been made? If not, will it?
Thanks,

Champion Glow Makos will be made at some point. Right now the closest is
a Champion Glow Coyote, which is a little more stable.

Seriously? I dont think a trimming machine would be that hard to make. On my budget maybe, but I doubt on yours.

If you said it was easier or more efficient to do it by hand, that I can see.


I did hear a rumor once Discraft offered to sell thier device? If they do them by hand, Id not only be suprised, but impressed at thier quality control.

We actually contracted out to three different places to make one, but they all came up empty. Meanwhile several of our molders got good at trimming by hand. The problem with that is not everyone is good at it, so the trimming suffers at times. I would love to have an automatic trimmer at each of our machines, but don't know how to get one.

Not a silly question at all. The flashing is taken off by hand for Champion, Pro, and Star. Usually, the workers do a pretty good job, but trimming errors do occur and are sometimes a cause for a disc to be an X-Part. We have tried to find a way to automate it, but so far, no go.

Wow, that's impressive, actually. In addition hard to believe this process isn't automated. Thanks for the answer.

I've tried 3 browsers and can't PM you. I have about 10 CFR Starfire L from a tournament I ran a few years ago.
Maybe if you can PM me or email me here ([email protected]).
Anyone else have trouble? When I click on a name to the left I never get new window or any info on the poster like I used to.
Tried Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome browsers.

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,

I've tried 3 browsers and can't PM you. I have about 10 CFR Starfire L from a tournament I ran a few years ago.
Maybe if you can PM me or email me here ([email protected]).
Anyone else have trouble? When I click on a name to the left I never get new window or any info on the poster like I used to.
Tried Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Right click then select open in new window or open in new tab and this should work for you. Not sure why it's now working like old but this will help.

That works, thanks for the suggestion. Now I can contact him directly

Thank You for making the BEST Disc Golf Discs on the Planet !!!

Donny Olow
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Dave,

I have always been a fan of the eagle-x. Has the disc ever been run as echo star? Or do you plan to produce some anytime soon?

Thanks,
Zach J

What is a Eagle-X I know of the Eagle and the EL why the X after all these years

L is the flat wing X is the notched wing. Looks like a Teebird wing.

The Eagle is the X mold

Dave,

I have always been a fan of the eagle-x. Has the disc ever been run as echo star? Or do you plan to produce some anytime soon?

Thanks,
Zach J

We will run Echo at some point, but I don't know when.

What is a Eagle-X I know of the Eagle and the EL why the X after all these years

The L was only used in the first couple of years. The X is the standard Eagle mold now.

The L was only used in the first couple of years. The X is the standard Eagle mold now.

I know all this guys. I was just wondering(i know why) after all these years we have to start calling them Eagle-X I own several CE Eagles and only one is a EL and still throw the 2-3 CEs Just wasn't til a few years ago that I started seeing EX is All. Not trying to be rude. Just saying why change the name after this long.

Tand TL molds are the same way; you saw both the TL and T molds used for the CE Teebirds. If anything, I think consumers have gotten more knowledgeable about discs, so differentiating them with different names makes sense.

Dave,

Do you think the R-pro boss will ever be made in heavier weights again like the us masters run?

Thanks

Dave,

Do you think the R-pro boss will ever be made in heavier weights again like the us masters run?

Thanks

We are not planning to run heavier (above 165gms) again. But, I can't say never as there may be a significant demand or specific request by a large event or dealer.

Why do you ask?

Dave,

Do you think the R-pro boss will ever be made in heavier weights again like the us masters run?

Thanks

I have one thats a bit used field tested and took a hit. PM me we can work something out if ya want it

We are not planning to run heavier (above 165gms) again. But, I can't say never as there may be a significant demand or specific request by a large event or dealer.

Why do you ask?

I'm a big fan of them. The ones at 168g are bombers. Yes, they do get beat up quick, but theyre super fast and stable before that, and once broken in it becomes a long tail wind anhyzer driver or roller. The lighter ones dont do much for me, so i was just curious.

We are not planning to run heavier (above 165gms) again. But, I can't say never as there may be a significant demand or specific request by a large event or dealer.

Why do you ask?

I am a dealer and I would like a disc. Who do I talk to.

Who needs Dave. I just bought my Star XD at a play it again!

Dave,
Seriously, though, Glow Champion/DX Rhyno...any chance? Don't like being stuck with having to putt with an Aviar.

Who needs Dave. I just bought my Star XD at a play it again!

Dave,
Seriously, though, Glow Champion/DX Rhyno...any chance? Don't like being stuck with having to putt with an Aviar.

We do make both Champion and DX Rhynos and there is a chance we might do some glow in either or both.

Anything Dave makes is Great. :)

I do like all the Glow Plastic :)

Hey Dave,

Have recent runs of Champ. Firebirds been less domey?? Need to stock up on some flatliners. BTW, Glow Champion FB's are perfect :D

also, anything new on the millennium horizon?

thanks for all you do !

Dave,

Do the BB Aviars ever get run in DX? I like putting with JKs but sometimes in the heat they get a little too floppy and the KCs are still a little to stiff. Thanks!