RobB, we send out a monthly product update. We will be posting it on our website in the future too, I believe.

furrthur, sorry I missed your post initially somehow. The Star Stingrays are the Ontario mold; which runs fine. It was the San Marino type that didn't run.

hi dave-- where are the leopards in line for star treatment? thx

How are san marino and ontario stingrays different as far as flight path?

Any news on when the SX and SL will be available in STAR?

Sorry for being ignorant, but the difference between the Sanny and Ontario Stingrays is....?

Roc Steady... this is from a few days ago about 2 pages back in the thread.. I hope this is what you were looking for.

Davei said:

Robj, Star Coyotes and Starfires will probably be out by March. Star SLs are running now, and should be out by the end of January.




-Scott Lewis

steven, the Star Leopards are scheduled for Spring sometime.

Matt, generally, the San Marinos have more flip, float, and less return than Ontarios, but it does depend on how they mold up. As with most discs and specifically the Stingrays, the domier they are, the more they fly like the San Marino description. The flatter they are, the faster, and fadier (low speed overstable) they are.

hey dave, can't wait to throw some star plastic. but do u have any hydra type discs coming out in the future?

1ab

Dave are you SURE you guys never ran the star plastic in the rancho roc mold?

I have several Super rocs (2004 and 2005) and other pro discs, and these X-out rocs I got in february are nothing like them. Now that I have gotten my hands on some Star plastic (teebirds are great btw) I am convinced that these discs are proto-star plastic.

I got them from Mark (dgvalues) and he called them x-outs, but they are seriously more durable than super rocs, and they are all white.

I dunno.

do you have any info?

thanks :D

jaymo.. Have you ever thrown Proline Gremlins before??? THey were produced over 2 years ago now i guess(they were produced before i started playing in april of '03) and they actually feel more grippy and tacky than any SPecial blend Plastic i've felt so far....

I guess it's possible that many discs were test runs of plastic mixes, but if that's so i might have to pick up some x-outs form dgvalues :)

-Scott Lewis

No I just got into DG around the summer of 03 so I dont think I ever saw those.

Yeah Mark is the best source for Innova discs (well for canadians anyways)

I really like these X-outs... I tried using super rocs for a while but they beat is so quickly. now I have two x-outs in my bag. they're nice :D

1ab, if you mean putter type discs, no. If you mean float in water type discs, possible. I am looking into a full weight driver that floats in water.

Dave , is there a tentative schedule on STAR release dates? I know the orcs,t-birds and sidewinders are currently available!! What molds will be out when ? there is high anticipation for many different molds that are currently unavailable!!!! I plan on purchasing about everything released in Star Plastic !!

jaymo, you could have gotten anything in x-out. It could have been an original super roc which was very much like Star, or a blend, or a molder goof. But I don't know the real story.

esalazar, there is a very tentative release schedule. Beasts, SLs, Wraiths, TLs, will be the earliest releases next year. After that, the schedule gets more tentative, but Aviars, Coyotes, Spider, Valkyrie, Eagle, Fl will be the next group, but things could change.

thanks Dave , any idea when the firebird (f mold) might run??

Dave, is there anyway to bump up those Star Firebirds? I don't know about everyone else, but at our course from october to about march its nothing but 30-40mph headwind gusts. I had been throwing a CFR Starfire-X, but it sometimes get thrown around by the wind. And since its getting colder, I can't get a good grip on it or, for that matter, my champ firebirds. Any possibility or suggestions?

Star Firebird is in the second wave with the others I mentioned. We want to bring the Stars out as soon as possible as they are better in the cold and wet, but we only have so much molding time. On the other hand, we could run small introductory runs. That is definitely worth considering.

Dave,

So I take it you will NOT be running the FX Mold of the firebirds in Star plastic?

Josh

Star Firebird is in the second wave with the others I mentioned. We want to bring the Stars out as soon as possible as they are better in the cold and wet, but we only have so much molding time. On the other hand, we could run small introductory runs. That is definitely worth considering.



please do!! i will take a nice stack of them (fx mold please)!! :D

ESALAZAR,

If you read the up a little Dave stated FL. So i guess there will be no FX mold.

PLEASE MAKE THE STAR FIREBIRD FX................

Read up a little farther and find:


I'm not sure when Firebirds are scheduled to go in, but I'm pretty sure it will be this winter. When the mold goes in, we will do Star Firebirds and FLs.



Can't wait for those Star Firebirds!!

FX's would be great...I will take a stack as well :D

esalazar, there is a very tentative release schedule. Beasts, SLs, Wraiths, TLs, will be the earliest releases next year. After that, the schedule gets more tentative, but Aviars, Coyotes, Spider, Valkyrie, Eagle, Fl will be the next group, but things could change.



Dave, are the regular S.T.A.R. Starfires (aka: Starfire-X's) going to be in the second wave too? Also, how will you distinguish the two on the stamp? I'm guessing the L's will say "Starfire-L" ... will the regulars say "Starfire" or Starfire-X"?

I feel a STAR firebird (fx) will be the best thumber disc ever produced!! With the grip of Star plastic there will be a lot less flutter and thus more D and better control.. :D

ESALAZAR,

I can wish also for the STAR FIREBIRD FX MOLD!!!

It's up to DAVE. Come on Dave get the FX mold out for the STAR LINE. It would be a hot seller!! Then again just look at this thread; already a bunch that demand the FX mold.

If Dave said they will be running Firebirds and FLs in the Star plastic that means they will be running FXs and FLs because the current prodution run Champ Firebirds are in the FX mold. Plus the FX is no doubt the best Firebird mold EVER so I dont see why they wouldnt produce it in Star Plastic.

Dave are you SURE you guys never ran the star plastic in the rancho roc mold?

I have several Super rocs (2004 and 2005) and other pro discs, and these X-out rocs I got in february are nothing like them. Now that I have gotten my hands on some Star plastic (teebirds are great btw) I am convinced that these discs are proto-star plastic.

I got them from Mark (dgvalues) and he called them x-outs, but they are seriously more durable than super rocs, and they are all white.

I dunno.

do you have any info?

thanks :D



I have a couple of those x-outs & they do feel just like SB plastic, also very durable like the SB and they don't have the super roc domeiness.

Bring on the Star Firebird & Monster

Ok I miss read that then. I sure hope the FX-Champion mold is produced in the Star line plastic.

Dave, don't make us get together and sign a petition to get you to expedite production of those Firebirds, CAUSE WE'LL DO IT! :D

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE make the star Firebirds ASAP!
ALL I WANT FOR X-MAS IS A STAR FIREBIRD!

Dave, don't make us get together and sign a petition to get you to expedite production of those Firebirds, CAUSE WE'LL DO IT! :D

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE make the star Firebirds ASAP!
ALL I WANT FOR X-MAS IS A STAR FIREBIRD!



In the fx mold!! I would like to pre-order 10!!

Are those star aviars that are coming in the second wave going to be small bead or big bead? And how did the repair on the bb go?

second

Any word on Star Whippets ?

I think they're right in the production queue after STAR Optimizers! :p

Sounds like it might be a while.

Please reconsider pushing Star Firebirds FXs up in the production order. Big Demand Big Money. Need that overstable disc in the bag for many purposes.

Star Aviars would be sweet !!!!! Either putter or driver !!!!! :D

they are going to be coming out with a bigbead STar aviar and possibly a small bead...
So Star aviar IS Going TO be sweet :)

-Scott Lewis

Rob, the Starfire L will say Star SL. The Star Starfire will probably be in the second wave.

DSPro, the repair is still underway. It usually takes about 4 or 5 weeks. The first Star Aviar will be the small bead.

please dave firebird.................

Donny, the Whippet is not in line yet. Sorry.

Just to be clear; we decided to call the L version Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds, FLs, SLs, and TLs. The regular Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds will all be X type.

Dave, i was talking to mcCoy the other day and we need STAR firebirds bad!!!!!!!!we use CH Firebirds all the time here in windy country

Just to be clear; we decided to call the L version Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds, FLs, SLs, and TLs. The regular Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds will all be X type.



Could we get these firebirds out before Xmas and HAnnukah? :D

The star plastic feels sweet. I just went and bought a couple T-Birds and Sidewinders. The store that I bought them at were selling them for $10.99 a peice :eek:. SWEET DEAL :D

OK............I would still like one...............Grippy little overstable disc !!!!!! :D

Just to be clear; we decided to call the L version Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds, FLs, SLs, and TLs. The regular Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds will all be X type.



i like the idea. not to be a pain Dave, but does that mean that the Pro Starfires will soon be stamped as Pro SL's?

also, i'm not really serious, but --
did you consider having fine print that reads "L" = Less stable, not Leopard bottom? :eek: :D :D

Hey Dave,
Question about the Star FL's?? Terry Miller is running 2007 Am Worlds in Milwaukee Wi, so I was wondering, would it be possiable to have the Star Firebird as a Fundrasier for 2007??
Just a thought, the Tulsa Fundraiser is doing GREAT, and I hope Milwaukee can do the same!!! :)

Rob, I think we are going to keep the Pro the same. IE Pro Starfire even though it is the L mold.

Zac, it is possible. Don't know how likely. I am very happy with how the fundraisers have worked with Tulsa and Augusta though.

Hope they weren't a dealer. Because $10.99 is lower than the set minimal price by Innova. They're not to sell them lower than that I believe.

Hope they weren't a dealer. Because $10.99 is lower than the set minimal price by Innova. They're not to sell them lower than that I believe.



I have heard that there is going to be a crack down (so to speak) on businesses like such which are selling so far under msrp!!!!

why would that be a problem??.they are just not making any money, they are making money of the sales of what the golfers buy other than discs. i am pretty sure MSRP is a suggested retail price

it is suggested retail price however it is a little more involved than those simple words!!

explain. i am looking at a catalog right now

why would that be a problem??.they are just not making any money, they are making money of the sales of what the golfers buy other than discs. i am pretty sure MSRP is a suggested retail price



Right on Jared!!!!

Innova and Discraft sell these discs for what they want(making the $$$ that they want off of the discs), which gives the purchasers of these discs the option to sell for whatever they want. God Bless the USA!

whats up man?? you gonna be in tyler this weekend by any chance??? nice showing last weekend by the way

<font color="blue">I don't frequent this thread nor do I have discs in mind that I want to beg Dave for but since someone pointed this post out to me I figured I'd pipe in regarding this specific post. (Rumors and posts like this is exactly why I hate message boards) </font>

Zac,

All major manufacturers have typically been pretty gracious to the various Worlds Projects. I'm guessing that Innova, Discraft, DGA, Etc will be the same for 2007.

I know you asked me about the idea of a fund-raiser disc and I'm certainly all for it. However, you are not on the immediate staff of the Worlds so I think it is VERY premmature for you to be asking about a disc of YOUR choice as a fundraiser. What if Innova offers the hottest selling disc on the planet at the time we start Worlds fundraising? Then would the rest of the world really want a Firebird Star FL?

I'm just asking that you be patient and let the cards fall as they may. I do appreciate your interest in making Worlds successful but we have to take one step at a time here.


Hey Dave,
Question about the Star FL's?? Terry Miller is running 2007 Am Worlds in Milwaukee Wi, so I was wondering, would it be possiable to have the Star Firebird as a Fundrasier for 2007??
Just a thought, the Tulsa Fundraiser is doing GREAT, and I hope Milwaukee can do the same!!! :)

Dave,
Have you ever tried to run a firebird or monster in a mini mold? The avair mini is awsome but i flip it over alot when i really try to rip one :D It would be nice to have a mini to throw overhand and trick shots with + would make a sweet stocking stuffer
ho ho ho
:eek: :eek: :eek:

erroneous, we have thought about a driver type mini, but didn't think the cost of the tooling would be justified by the demand. It might be cool however, to be able to throw a mini over 300 ft.

Dave,
Have you ever tried to run a firebird or monster in a mini mold? The avair mini is awsome but i flip it over alot when i really try to rip one :D It would be nice to have a mini to throw overhand and trick shots with + would make a sweet stocking stuffer
ho ho ho
:eek: :eek: :eek:





Driver mold minis would be sweet. I heard another company is talking about it as well.

You can throw overheads w/ Champion Avair Minis. I get the most distance that way. It takes a little practice.

how many would you need to sell in order to make it worth Innova's while? How many presales would it take?

I've been dreaming of a mini-firebird or something over-stable for a long time.

MK

Mini Disc Golf Federation (http://www.minidiscgolf.com/)

I've been told that some of these guys can already throw currently existing minis over 300 feet.

I'm sure they would certainly be interested in a new driver mold mini.

Every time I get a new kind of mini from Discraft or Innova everyone wants one. Minis are like dyed discs: it makes no sense but players want them. A driver mold mini would sell like tiny hotcakes.

I would dig having some mini drivers ... what a great idea!

i want a roc and a firebird to complete my mini bag. :D:cool:

Dave,

I finally got to feel the Star plastic for the first time today, and now I see what the hype is all about. Not sure if this has been asked before, but is there any chance of a Star Roc being on the slate, or would that be more likely to go as a fundraiser disc?

When you say mini hotcakes, I think you mean "silver dollars".

them's yummy.

I believe the star roc has aready been produced as this year's Champion Roc, which is a fundraiser for the USDGC. The special blend plastic is the same as star.

I believe the star roc has aready been produced as this year's Champion Roc, which is a fundraiser for the USDGC. The special blend plastic is the same as star.



If that is the case, then they also made "regular" Champion Rocs as well, because that's what the Flagstick Rocs are.

Both type Rocs were produced for USDGC. The Special Blend (Star) were done in Ontario style.

OK!!
I got my Star teebirds today... Dave... is it safe for me to say that these are not the same plastic as Special Blend Orcs or Rocs from '05????

This seems to be the order of plastic for me:
Nighshift orcs: Most grippy, most opaque, and most Stiff

Special Blend orcs/rocs: Little slicker.. A little more Opaque.. STill like champion plastic stiffness..

STar teebirds: NOTHING LIKE the other 2.. Slick look but grippy, SOFT LIKE pro.. and the most Translucent...

Could you justify this for me?

-Scott Lewis

Mini Disc Golf Federation (http://www.minidiscgolf.com/)

I've been told that some of these guys can already throw currently existing minis over 300 feet.

I'm sure they would certainly be interested in a new driver mold mini.





Its not that big a deal to throw em far. We had a mini league here for awhile, using the DGA Mini baskets that a local TD used as 1st Place Tropheys, and Chings and homemades to cover the rest. We traveled to other parks in the cities, set up temp courses and went to town. It appealed to alot of people, though some were unsure what we doing and thought it was actual disc golf. Driving is pretty easy, putting is alot more difficult.

IMO, the Champion Aviar is by far the best mini out. They work great for any shot, including overheads and rollers. The small Little Flyers are like throwing Champion Whippets. Ive seen alot of people have luck with the Champion Aero...upsidedown.

Rolling a mini disc ... now that's something I have to see! :D

anyone else notice that the White Star discs feel and look just like Pro plastic?? the blue, yellow, and red so far feel all the same and are very grippy, but the white max weight STB i have is very slick and Pro plastic like... HOpe that it gets grippy and holds up like the others..

I'll have a field report after this weekend.

-Scott Lewis

I rolled my aluminum mini , down the hallway at the shopping mall....................must have gone over 500 !!!! :eek:

Star Sidewinders Rip !!!!! :D

Star Sidewinders Minis Rip !!!!! :D



sorry, i saw a pattern in the thread of late and thought id continue it

: ) :

the old wham-o mold mini's roll further than my beat starfire... no *****

Scott, it is the same plastic as the Rocs. The Orc plastic might have been a lighter mix. The black Tees seemed to be softer than the white. There might be some difference between colors and opacity might vary with each batch.

oh ok..
To me the White Star Teebird feels like a JLS or a QJLS fresh out of the factory... THe Other Teebirds feel more like the Special Blend Rocs and Orcs..

The white teebird really feels different though.. definatley like something Millenium or superrocish

-Scott Lewis

I think the Teebirds feel alot like 10x KCs. I expect they will be well liked by people not wanting to shell out the $25+ for the 10xs.

I guess this white one would be similar.. I have never thrown a 10x, but i hope these beat up like an 11x :)

-Scott Lewis

I think the Teebirds feel alot like 10x KCs. I expect they will be well liked by people not wanting to shell out the $25+ for the 10xs.



I have a bunch of used 10x dyed that i'd let go for $10.00

most are 8/10

I guess this white one would be similar.. I have never thrown a 10x, but i hope these beat up like an 11x :)

-Scott Lewis





The 10x are regarded by many as the best Teebirds. I think most like the hybrid type, which these feel alot like, but have the grip of the regular old school KC plastic. Im sure these will be a staple in many-a-bag this coming year.

As always, we appreciate your infinite patience........

May have already been asked, shoot I could have even asked it myself, but is the STAR plastic any more amenable to getting lighter weights with some of the big rimmed molds, i.e. the Wraith, or is DX going to be the ultimate answer to a 160g or less Wraith? Thanks.

Riverdog, yes DX is going to be the ultimate answer to a 165gm or less Wraiths. Star plastic is the same range as Champion.

:D Can't wait for the Star Starfire's and Star Wraith's !!!!!! :D

i am trying to figure which to carry, and i am leaning toward the Starfire (X) for that niche. What do you see as the main difference between the Star Wraith and Star Starfire? Speed?
They both seem good into the wind...

btw, i think "STAR Starfire" is a great name and so that's where i'm leaning :D

Still................can't wait for the Star Aviar !!!!!

I think I , almost have , 1 , of every Aviar run made !!!!!

The Aviar is my most favorite Golf Disc of All time !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

( Close to 500 + Aviars ) :eek:

that's a lot of Aviars! :D

i like JK Aviars, and have a proto, a 3x, a 4x, and a 5x. i once wanted to have every variation of color and hotstamp
for each JK Aviar-x, but i have since given up that quest... :p

Rob, I don't know which is the main difference, but speed and flight characteristics are different. The Star Starfire is more like a high speed TeeBird, and the Star Wraith is more like a higher speed Orc.

Rob, I don't know which is the main difference, but speed and flight characteristics are different. The Star Starfire is more like a high speed TeeBird, and the Star Wraith is more like a higher speed Orc.



Hi Dave and thanks for the feedback. ,

I love and carry a lot of Orcs (Champ, Pro, SB) so that makes me feel the STAR Starfire would overlap less with the Orcs than a STAR Wraith.

I am thinking the Starfire (X) is a bit more hi-speed stable than my Orcs and has a bit more fade and is better into a headwind. Does that sound right? (I am thinking it would fall between an Orc and an FL) i don't throw Teebirds...

I tried to look at the Innova flight charts but I think they show the Starfire-L (SL) when the chart says "Starfire" and not the Starfire X ... ?

Dave that's a beautiful comparison since that's the comparison you made when the starfire came out in pro.. I'm glad you stuck with it as I agree as well..
I have only thrown a Pro Wraith a few times, but I like the Orc more(although I carry none of the above.. Only Teebirds)

I"m looking forward to the Star Winders though... I traded for 2 of them and have never thrown sidewinders before. are they really that flippy out of the box?

-Scott Lewis

Rob, I agree that the Starfire has a little more high speed stability, but I don't think it has more low speed fade. You don't throw TeeBirds??? :eek: ;)

The Star Sidewinders I have been throwing are not that flippy out of the box unless you are throwing hard into a wind. They seem to be less flippy than Champion, and are the one model that seems to be appreciably different in Star vs. Champion. I use my Starwinder as an air disc started on a hyzer to flip up and cruise. Up hill, I think I get as much distance with this disc as I do with a Star Wraith as there is no wasted travel going right and coming back left.
YMMV As always, I would like to hear your opinion.

I can't wait until Christmas so I can throw the Star Sidewinder and Teebird. I have thrown SB Rocs and Orcs ... so I know these are going to be great. ;)

The Star Sidewinders I have been throwing are not that flippy out of the box unless you are throwing hard into a wind. They seem to be less flippy than Champion, and are the one model that seems to be appreciably different in Star vs. Champion. I use my Starwinder as an air disc started on a hyzer to flip up and cruise. Up hill, I think I get as much distance with this disc as I do with a Star Wraith as there is no wasted travel going right and coming back left.
YMMV As always, I would like to hear your opinion.



I agree, my ChampWinder has become a little too understable for me but the StarWinder works well. It is a sweet disc for S shots and long annies. I would say it flies more like a Champ Valk or the New Beast for me.

Dave... I threw my Star Teebird(The white max weight one) Today and I'm honestly Very dissapointed in the disc.

I"m sure the other Star teebirds That i bought of different colors will be fine, but this disc was not great at all. The grip is way to slick. It's more slick than champion and It didn't really grip up at all when it got dirty. It is quite stable though and moreso than champion like you said.

Unfortunately I ended up just throwing my 11x Teebirds becuase they had better grip in the cold... I'm sure the other colors would be fine since they all felt like the regular Specialblend/Star plastic i know.

-Scott Lewis

Dave... I threw my Star Teebird(The white max weight one) Today and I'm honestly Very dissapointed in the disc.

I"m sure the other Star teebirds That i bought of different colors will be fine, but this disc was not great at all. The grip is way to slick. It's more slick than champion and It didn't really grip up at all when it got dirty. It is quite stable though and moreso than champion like you said.

Unfortunately I ended up just throwing my 11x Teebirds becuase they had better grip in the cold... I'm sure the other colors would be fine since they all felt like the regular Specialblend/Star plastic i know.

-Scott Lewis




Do you throw anything else but an 11x Teebird? ( As far as Teebirds ) This is just my opinion, but 11x are not that great. I agree they are better than the Champion, but they arent CE or CFR Glos either. Like I said before, these are closer to the 10x version Teebirds. If you want 11x, stick with those. If you want CE w/o CE price, get a CFR Glo.

I was referring to the plastic on the White Star Teebird i have. IT is different than the plastic of allthe other color. THe other colors feel just like the SB orcs and ROcs so i know they will be nice and grippy and probably just as stable...
It's just this one disc that is bothering me becuase it really doens't have much grip at all.. I ended up throwign my 11x teebirds instead because they had more grip.

-Scott Lewis

So, problem solved? Good.

Do you throw anything else but an 11x Teebird? ( As far as Teebirds ) This is just my opinion, but 11x are not that great.



i disagree, it's a very good game but i think donkey kong is the best game ever made....

i disagree, it's a very good game but i think donkey kong is the best game ever made....


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it's(to replace)10x teebird
11x teebird (to replace) donkey kong
game (to replace) disc

Rob, I agree that the Starfire has a little more high speed stability, but I don't think it has more low speed fade.



Okay Dave, i looked around your website and found the nice disc comparison chart (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/comparison.html) I think it is great that Teebirds and TL's (Teebird-L's) are listed separately -- it might be a good thing to do that with Starfires and SL's (Starfire-L's) too. I noticed that the listing for Starfire in the comparison chart and in the flight charts is really the Pro and cfr Starfire-L mold characteristics 10, 5, -1, 2 and that the cfr Starfire (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/cfrstarfire.html) is listed as 10, 4, 0, 3.


You don't throw TeeBirds??? :eek: ;)



i probably should but when i started playing i found Valkyries more to my liking... and then the newer faster models turned my head /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i disagree, it's a very good game but i think donkey kong is the best game ever made....


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it's(to replace)10x teebird
11x teebird (to replace) donkey kong
game (to replace) disc





10x are way better than 11x. The Star Teebird I have is a proto,in black plastic,havent seen the White plastic version. It feels far superior to the 11x.

No use arguing with yourself... :)
I have no idea what a 10x feels like.. I know what htey throw like because most people i know use them for turnovers and rollers..
I'm stating what 1 fluke disc that i got feels like.. IF that's what 10x feels like then i hope to never come across a 10x..

I was not arguing or complaining about different teebirds.. I was merely talking about 1 single disc that i got that was different from the bunch in a negative way.

But I have heard goods things about the 10x.. I just like the 11x becuase they are stable and I havne't beaten one up yet(i've had a few for over 2 yeras now)

-Scott Lewis

The Champion 11x Teebird , I have been throwing , is still very stable. 174 grams.

Just picked up a new Star Teebird yesterday.................going out now for a test drive !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I will say that alot of the 10x's are amazing discs, and are better than an 11x for some shots. But I like 11x's because they are more stable IMO. Also the star teebird mold is the same as the 11x mold, from what I hear.

Dave, the following color breakdown for the star teebirds was on zonedriven's website.

First Run Colors
160 to 164 - white, yellow
165 to 165 - white, yellow
170 to 172 - yellow, red, blue, orange
173 to 175 - white

does this same sort of breakdown also exist for the star sidewinder?

furrthur, no, that breakdown doesn't exist for the Tees either. It is just what zonedriven had. Any color could be any weight in any model. White is the predominant color.

Dave , I am curious as to how the CFR drawings work!! I have 30+ or so that I have not sent in and was wondering if it matters when i send them in. Where can I find info on how the drawings work? Do the certificates carry over to multiple drwings? do they carry over from one year to the next etc. etc.??

DITTO - I have approx 50 from the CFR Wraiths and have also already sent in a few for Tulsa 2006 Am Worlds

They have a link on their site for CFR. I believe they do the raffle once a month for all of the entries received that month. No carry over into the following month. I sent in about 30 last month that I saved over the past 4 months. I won $75 in merchandise. They called me and I let them know what I wanted that added up to $75. I couldn't choose from the CFR disc's.

The Sponsor Reward program ends in January.....
2 Drawings left for this year..... Will the program start back up in 06. Will CFR certificates submitted now be in the usdgc exemption raffle for next years usdgc?

Here is some information about the CFR Sponsor Reward drawings:


Sponsor Reward entries are eligible for all drawings throughout the year. If you win a monthly drawing, only that winning entry not be eligible for future monthly drawings. However, your winning entry will still be entered into the drawing for the USDGC sponsor exemption.

The Sponsor Rewards Program will continue in 2006 with bigger and better prizes for the monthly drawings.

Received entries are eligible for all remaining drawings in 2005 and will remain eligible for all drawings held in 2006.

You can go here (http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/rewards.html) to get more information and see past winners.

DITTO - I have approx 50 from the CFR Wraiths and have also already sent in a few for Tulsa 2006 Am Worlds



Just how does one go about carrying 50 Wraiths in their bag? Not possible? Then is it safe to assume that you never forwarded the CFR Certs to the people that bought them from you? If thats the case, is that the right thing to do? Or am I mistaken and you enjoy throwing the Wraith so much you bought 50 of them to be able to throw them all for practice? Curious minds (mine at least) want to know.

I can not speak for the person you are quoting , however I still have all my cfr discs that i have purchased, probably in the neighborhood of 60-70 from this year alone!! :D

yeah I bought a Tulsa orc from an eBayer and I never recieved a form for the CFR program. (disc2tech I don't know who that is) So yeah that kind of sucks.

I think alot of people do that.

What about the 1rst run starline Beast! Only 25 made! Got one of those salazar? :D

http://www.herodiscusa.com/store/images/uploads/inncolor-hero.jpg

What about the 1rst run starline Beast! Only 25 made! Got one of those salazar? :D

http://www.herodiscusa.com/store/images/uploads/inncolor-hero.jpg



I don't know about E but I have two :o

Dave - are my eyes working?

I am currently building a Worlds Disc Collection and found this on a website from 1984...this looks like CE Plastic...

tell me more:

http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/84_4.jpg

That's probably a reprint/restamped. Almost looks like a coyote doesn't it?

Dave - are my eyes working?

I am currently building a Worlds Disc Collection and found this on a website from 1984...this looks like CE Plastic...

tell me more:

http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/84_4.jpg



Wow.............is that a original Aero or Eagle ?

I'm guessing premie aero/eagle.

That's kinda what I thought. Small raised lettering. Might be first run Aero ?

Dave - are my eyes working?

I am currently building a Worlds Disc Collection and found this on a website from 1984...this looks like CE Plastic...



I have a patent pending Aero that is orange and looks like that.

I'm guessing premie aero/eagle.



Innova Aviar (small Patent Pending) premium weight

close..but still curious on the plastic..1984 and it looks clear..guess I wasn't aware they made such a disc 21 yrs ago

DAVE???

I have an 1987 Premium Aviar in yellow plastic.
The underside is not the same though,
there are 2 lines of print for Innova Champ
and the San Marino location.
but identical as far as transparency.
At a glance the proportion does look like an eagle/aero.
D.P. :cool:

What about the 1rst run starline Beast! Only 25 made! Got one of those salazar? :D

http://www.herodiscusa.com/store/images/uploads/inncolor-hero.jpg



I do now (2)!!! thanks for the insight!! and I am registered for the japan open trip, sweet!! :D:D

<font color="red">MERRY</font> <font color="green">CHRISTMAS TO ME!! </font>

Adam Among the first Aviars produced. Beadless. It is DX premium plastic. No weight. 1984 was the year the mold was made.

I am currently building a Worlds Disc Collection and found this on a website from 1984]



Steve Hartwell has a website that has pictures of all of the Worlds discs. Great place to get info on Night Flyers, Midnight Flyers, and the rest of the DGA line up. Kitty Hawk, Fader, Sure Shot, ............... I bought most of them from Steve.

I wouldn't buy from that disc2tech again if i was you. He has been the subject of several bad ebay scams! You biatch disc2tech!!!!

Plus i'm from tulsa and don't like hearing about that happening! :mad::mad::mad:

:D

That is where the picture came from...I use his site quite often to check on Worlds and Midnight Flyer discs

I wouldn't buy from that disc2tech again if i was you. He has been the subject of several bad ebay scams! You biatch disc2tech!!!!

Plus i'm from tulsa and don't like hearing about that happening! :mad::mad::mad:




yeah I bought a Tulsa orc from an eBayer and I never recieved a form for the CFR program. (disc2tech I don't know who that is) So yeah that kind of sucks.

I think alot of people do that.



it wasn't me, I always include the CFR FORM, plus those are attached with the number of the disc on it.

I must be the cause of eveything bad, huh, you could check your ebay history and see if who you bought it from. what is your ebay id I can also check my records, before people make assumptions they know nothing about. ( not necessarily you )

Where the f do get serveral ? their has never been any scams

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dude, you must be 14 yrs old topz! you little EBAY scam artist!

Where the f do get serveral ? their has never been any scams

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dude, you must be 14 yrs old topz! you little EBAY scam artist!

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oh get it now, your retarded......Have a special day then, little fellow




Dave how are those Star Gremlins comming ? :D

Hey Dave,

Roughly how many total CE discs were produced in each of the molds (i.e. TeeBird, Valk, Firebird, etc.)? These were produced from 2001 to 2004 or so?

Thanks.

Where the f do get serveral ? their has never been any scams



dude, you must be 14 yrs old topz! you little EBAY scam artist!

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oh get it now, your retarded......Have a special day then, little fellow




Dave how are those Star Gremlins comming ? :D

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Now we really know your true colors you [I'm a potty-mouth!]hole! Insulting people that can't defend themselves. If i was in your face I would knock your teeth out you lowlife!

Sorry Dave D. this guy is ripping off your customer base!

Egger: I'm as hyped as you are for them too.. I remember before the SUMMER dave said that he planned on running a CFR run for the end of the summer, but with the roadrunner and other discs it got pushed aside..
Now he's talkinga bout making some Star Gremlins.. It probably won't be until after march, but it'll be worth the wait..
Did you notice that the Proline Gremlins feel very similar to the star plastic? not an exact match, but more of a match than regular proline/candy.

I guess i should sell my proline gremlin now while it's still worth something? :)

-Scott Lewis

It'll ALWAYS be worth something to me, as I can't imagine a disc that is more perfect for my game than the Proline Gremlin. :D

That said, I, as well, can't wait for the STAR Gremis!

Egger: I'm as hyped as you are for them too.. I remember before the SUMMER dave said that he planned on running a CFR run for the end of the summer, but with the roadrunner and other discs it got pushed aside..
Now he's talkinga bout making some Star Gremlins.. It probably won't be until after march, but it'll be worth the wait..
Did you notice that the Proline Gremlins feel very similar to the star plastic? not an exact match, but more of a match than regular proline/candy.

I guess i should sell my proline gremlin now while it's still worth something? :)

-Scott Lewis




Hang onto that Pro Line. Ive seen them hit 50$, the day after I sold one for 20$.

It would be nice to finally see a good Gremlin again, after years of asking. Supply and Demand, I guess. Maybe if every Gremlin lover gets on here and posts, Innova can see how many they would sell, then it would get done.

excellent, a star gremlin with a moguie mini.

I am still thowing my original Proline, these things are tough

what's the deal with gremlin's? Did they discontinue the mold or something? I think I have a couple DX gremlins lying around somewhere, don't really use them though...

what's the deal with gremlin's? Did they discontinue the mold or something? I think I have a couple DX gremlins lying around somewhere, don't really use them though...



Big difference between the Pro Line/ Champion version and the DX.
The DX was strait out of the box, the PLC was more overstable, decent in the wind, super durable, excellent short rollers, great for mid length 2 finger S shots, spike hysers, UD, putting from bad spots, ect....at least for Me.

Eric K, I have no clue really. I would be guessing with any number, but more than 2000 of each. Probably less than 10000 of each.

Hey Dave,
Am I ever gonna be able to buy a dx ram again?

i saw some dx rams at a store sunday. both 150's though

Hey Dave -- if and when you have the time to humor my insatiable inquisitiveness :D-- what discs have surprised you by not becoming as popular as you expected and which ones have become far more popular than you might have guessed?

10up: the Disc was discontinued very quickly.. THe DX was nice, but the Proline Gremlins were money and were only ran once i believe.. THey were like fast rocs and smaller.. or at least to me they seemed that way... If i remember correctly the gremlin was kindof like the Ching Sniper??

If they make STar Gremlins(supposed to) I hope they stamp the DX Gremlin on it!!
kindof like the Champion Rhynos that were dyed and stamped with the DX stamp. they are hot.

-Scott Lewis

P.s. Dave.. i sent the disc out for you earlier today. Also.. Would you say the Q-omegas(or the Q-megas) are more comparable to a Classic aviar or a Aviar P&amp;A? I want to throw my classics in the winter, but they crack when they hit trees :(

pigz2, we will run DX Rams from time to time.

Hey Dave -- if and when you have the time to humor my insatiable inquisitiveness :D-- what discs have surprised you by not becoming as popular as you expected and which ones have become far more popular than you might have guessed?


Two discs have undersold as far as I am concerned. The Viking, and the Aero. The Aero is the best begginer disc we have, and the Viking is the longest straightest disc we have. The disc we produced that got a lot more popular than I expected was the Stingray.

P.s. Would you say the Q-omegas(or the Q-megas) are more comparable to a Classic aviar or a Aviar P&A? I want to throw my classics in the winter, but they crack when they hit trees :(


I say its gotta be the P&A. I think the omega and small bead(or P&A) are the same mold.

Scott, I am not sure which comparison is better for Q Omegas, but I think they were fairly straight flying. Probably closer to the Classics.

Dave, are the Omega and the Small Bead Aviar produced from the same mold?

DSPro, they have been. That might change in the future.

Just seen this license plate on another thread.


Please note my new avatar, in your honor, Mr. Hysell. :D
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/MSDGC/plate3.jpg

what time does the DMV open...I must have one of those :D

Dave- My first Ace came with a viking, 4 total, playin 2 yrs

so they have a special place with me, but they are INNOVA's longest disc?




Cuz if so, i might go back cuz it was always true and straight!

but they are INNOVA's longest disc?




I was under the impression that he meant it was the longest STRAIGHT driver they make.

but they are INNOVA's longest disc?




I was under the impression that he meant it was the longest STRAIGHT driver they make.



Me too :D

I use 'em for distance comps. Longer for me than Orc or Starfire.

I use 'em for distance comps. Longer for me than Orc or Starfire.



DX beasts for big D if you use innova. Christian uses them I believe. :D

aaron, yes I meant longest/straightest. Our faster models are not as straight.

aaron, yes I meant longest/straightest. Our faster models are not as straight.



so faster doesn't always egual length? In my limited experience these new faster discs are very sensitive to nose angle; therefore harder to control

fastest doesn't alway equate to length unless you are throwing directly into a wind. Length flying straight down a fairway is different from start to finish flying distance. If I was throwing in a relatively narrow fairway, and I needed to stay on the fairway and go 350+, I would use the Viking, or maybe the Sidewinder or Roadrunner if I didn't have to worry too much about the wind. If it didn't matter whether I needed to stay on the fairway, but just go the distance and end up at the target, I might throw a faster disc like an Orc, Starfire, or Wraith. I need more room to work these discs.

What? No Teebird for the straight and narrow? ;)

Dave! I got myself an orange star TB today, and I have a question. Did you repair or tweak the CA. Teebird mold since the old stamp 11x's were run? I've found that the newer run CA. TB's are less high speed stable. What do you think?

Thanks Dave, i don't have your arm strength but i need more room to work those discs too (Wraith, Starfire, ORC). I may need to bust out that old disc ace disc (Thanks NINA FO FI TRE) one of the only aces at Copperhead Canyon in Tulsa with a VIKING!!!! :DSWEET!!!

DSPro, no tweaking, just differences between runs and individual discs. The differences I've found have been between just high speed stable and slightly overstable high speed. Flatter discs are a little more low speed overstable. I personally like slightly overstable with a medium dome. After I use it for a while it turns into a long fast Roc.

discchucker, no TeeBird, but a TL will do it too.

Mmmm...Star TL...

hint...hint

:D:D:D

Dave, today i received two SB (STAR) Rocs, an SB (STAR) Orc, a Glow Coyote, a Ch Coyote, and a Ch Orc in the mail after working out 2 big trades. Plus I recently bought 3 Ch. Roadrunners, an SB Orc, a Ch. Wraith and 2 Ch. Coyotes -- none of the above have yet been thrown. It's snowing hard right now and with all this sweet candy in front of me it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas! :D Thanks for all the great discs you've brought us -- it takes the bah humbug right out of the holiday season :D

Dave, Thanks for the Xmas Disc from Innova, a sweet holiday stamp on a white starwinder. I might not throw this one unlike last years Champ Sidewinder w/Santa, which is still in the bag!

Have a Happy Holiday and I'm looking forward to the Star Stingray. :D

Sounds nice !!!!

Dave, will star wraiths and star orcs be available as cfr's (for other events) prior to both am and pro worlds? I thought i read ,in the past, that these would be exclusive to worlds until the events take place!!

efrain, the Star Wraith will be out soon and has already done most of its job for the PDGA Worlds. The Star Orc will not be available in normal distribution until the Am Worlds, or until we are satisfied it has done what we wanted it to for the Am Worlds.

Any future in a star banshee ? oooohhhhhh

Dave,
Is there any way to order a stack of 4-time Aviar X's? I love that disc....especially the Yellow ones, but I lost my only yellow 4-time. :(

Dave:

Is the new Star Beast in the newly tweaked Beast mold or is it in the old mold?

My interest in the Star Aviar keeps me awake some nights.

Will it be soft like the putters or stiffer like the drivers ?

Donny, with that latest rating you keep it up you might become sponsored (assuming you aren't). I'd like to see you catch on fire and win Worlds. Next up: the Donny Olow Aviar. :eek: I know some think Des deserves a disc but anyone who has as many Aviars as you and who stays up nights wondering about the next Aviar model deserves consideration imo :D

eric, there is a future, but it is not soon.

Orc and Mindy, you could check with discgolfvalues or zonedriven, or possible on this message board.

discchucker, the Star Beast is the new tweaked mold.

Donny, probably in between.

Cool !!!!! Thanks Dave !!!!!! I'll sleep better now !!!! :D

Hi Dave. I've been reading the 2006 USDGC Roc thread. I'm reading some good, some bad, some say theirs are floppy, some not. I just bought a 176g one off eBay, white with the claw stamp, but i haven't received it yet. What's your take on them? Rigidity? Durability? Stability?

Thanks,
Kent "The Colonel" Bray
Houston

discchucker, the Star Beast is the new tweaked mold.



Dave, I quit playing not long after the Beast was introduced onto the market. I've thrown them around, but not a lot. What's the difference between the original and the tweaked molds as far as flight charecteristics?

Not to answer for Dave, but the tweaked mold is less high speed stable. So it's going to turn right a bit more for the RHBH throwers.

And Dave...got two yellow star teebirds today...sweet plastic. Without a doubt the closest thing to the creamy 10x plastic that we all love so much.

I'm glad to hear that description of the new star plastic. I have two 10X teebirds that I love that plastic. I also bought several early run proline leopards that are close to the 10X plastic. Now I need to order about 10 of those star beast.

Kent, I haven't thrown this year's Rocs so I don't have a personal take. I am reading the same things you are. As for the tweaked Beast. The original Beast was very similar to the Orc. I tweaked it to give it more turn and more glide.

what is the diff between the new beast and Starfire L(they look very similar in profile)? also when can we expect a star SFL?

thanks

ce

ce the new Beast should not look similar to the Starfire, unless you are comparing it to the Star SL (Starfire L). The Starfire has a similar profile to a TeeBird. As far as flight comparisons: The Beast has more high speed turn, than the SL. The Star FL will probably be out in Spring.

Rob, I agree that the Starfire has a little more high speed stability, but I don't think it has more low speed fade. You don't throw TeeBirds??? :eek: ;)



Dave, I believe i heard from a pretty good source that you don't throw TeeBirds :o Even more shocking, i heard you don't throw Rocs :eek: And, until the recent addition to your bag of Coyotes, before that you threw JK Aviars for your short drives, midrange and approach shots, and for putting. :D

i had to throw that out there because i saw someone with a tagline quoting your above question to me (minus the emoticons) :D

btw, i love the Coyote and Roadrunner. I am going to replace Sidewinders with Roadrunners -- i love the way they feel in my hand and the flight characteristics are nice too. Thanks for that tip about throwing understable discs nose up to get them to go straight. Have yourself a merry little Christmas...

Thanks Dave for all the cool plastic !!!!!!

Here is wishing you , your entire family , Tim , Suzette ,and all the guy's and gal's at INNOVA , a Happy and Safe Holiday Season !!!!!! :D

Dave, I believe i heard from a pretty good source that you don't throw TeeBirds :o



I feel violated

i could be wrong. are you going to believe me or what common sense tells you? :eek:

Rob, while it is true that I don't throw Rocs, and I did and do use JK Aviars for short drives up to 300 ft, it is not true that I don't use TeeBirds. I have had a TeeBird in my bag for a long time. Recently, I switched my Champion (same one I had for at least a year) for a Star. I plan on switching out my Champion Coyote for a star when I make them too.

oops, :o, never mind... :D

what, you -- despite your special access pass to plastic -- don't throw Rocs? :eek: :p ;)

i am looking forward to the STAR Coyotes. what differences in flight between Champ and S.T.A.R Coyotes do you note? i thought earlier you said you had one :confused:

Rob, no I don't think I have one. I think I would be throwing it. We haven't run Star Coyotes yet. I used to throw Rocs well. Accurately up to 380 ft years ago. Then I lost the right feel. I have tried to throw Rocs over the years, but never have been successful. The SB Roc comes the closest to working for me. Doesn't seem to fit my hand or something. I had that problem with Aviars too for a while...until the JK.

Okay Dave, i looked back and saw i misread where you said you had the Coyote in the bag and could use the added grip of SB (aka: STAR). I also read though where you said:


Chase, as we have only run Champion in Coyotes, the black must be SB. Black is also an SB color. We have recently developed two new hot SB colors bright orange and pink. This brings up a recognition problem. Pro looks alot like SB. It's hard to tell the difference until the disc hits a tree or wall. When they go into production, they will be marked.



so i thought SB Coyotes were made in limited quantities :confused: (maybe those nightshifters :D)

did you say SB Orcs tend to be a little more high speed stable but that the STAR Stingrays and Sidewinders turn a bit more than their Champion counterparts? How would you guess the STAR Coyote's will fly?

Okay Dave, i looked back and saw i misread where you said you had the Coyote in the bag and could use the added grip of SB (aka: STAR). I also read though where you said:


Chase, as we have only run Champion in Coyotes, the black must be SB. Black is also an SB color. We have recently developed two new hot SB colors bright orange and pink. This brings up a recognition problem. Pro looks alot like SB. It's hard to tell the difference until the disc hits a tree or wall. When they go into production, they will be marked.



so i thought SB Coyotes were made in limited quantities :confused: (maybe those nightshifters :D)





I think those were testers, nothing that was set into production. They do have a slightly different feel in the plastic than the Star discs Ive seen released with the new "S.T.A.R." stamp. I could be wrong but I think the mix for the plastic has changed slightly, which is why the line was re-vamped. Dave?

Rob, we never ran Star Coyotes, but apparently some black might have been made. However, they might have been regrind with mixed colors too. I never saw them. I did say that Orcs in Star tend to be a little more stable than Champion, and so do Sidewinders. Sidewinders seem to change the most to the stable side. The Star Stingrays were much more understable than the Champion version. My guess for the Star Coyotes is that there will be no change from the Champion version except the grip.

Okay Dave thanks for clearing up my confusion. Summarizing the trends:


STAR (SB) Orcs = slightly more stable than Champions
STAR Sidewinders = more stable than Champions
STAR Coyotes (not made yet) will probably be about the same, but with better grip


STAR Stingrays = more understable than Champions (the Champions turned out more stable than was expected)

Aviar X -
the Stingray is more understable because it is not the same mold as the Champion. Apples to Oranges there.

good point -- I guess the same holds true for the SB Rocs (which i love) -- they are a blunter-nosed less stable mold than the other Rocs(?)

It seems to me the Champion Stingrays fly almost like an Aurora MS until they are broken in, though they probably have more glide. (i throw heavy ones). Not to beat a dead horse, but I also hear they weren't molding up well and that about 50% were X-outs and so the Champion Stingray is out of production.

(From Dave D)... I plan on switching out my Champion Coyote for a star when I make them too.



Ya gotta love being the disc manufacturer! When you want a new disc model in new plastic you just make one!

rob, yes, the old San Marino mold is out of production. However, Matt's answer about apples and oranges is not correct. They are different molds, but the Ontario mold is generally more overstable than the San Marino. It was very surprising that the Champion Stingrays in the San Marino mold were so stable. It was a pleasant surprise to find that the Star Stingrays in the Ontario mold were not. It should have been the other way around.

Dave I still have 7-8 180g SB first run ranchos if you need anymore, I sold 5 to Cashin but I am sure if you wanted a few more to throw I could find something to trade for them.

rob, yes, the old San Marino mold is out of production. However, Matt's answer about apples and oranges is not correct. They are different molds, but the Ontario mold is generally more overstable than the San Marino. It was very surprising that the Champion Stingrays in the San Marino mold were so stable. It was a pleasant surprise to find that the Star Stingrays in the Ontario mold were not. It should have been the other way around.



Okay Dave thanks for further clarification. Adding in the differences between the Champion Rocs and SB Rocs gets even trickier but i'd love to clear it up in my own mind. <font color="blue"> "fore"</font> (Felix Sung) was kind enough to fill me in that the SB's (though stable) are the least overstable of the candy Rocs because they are based on the blunter-nosed Rocs (the Ontario mold) even though they say Rancho Cucamonga on the bottom. am i right about that? (i'm sure Felix was right, but my pm's from him were erased in the crash)

by the way, i love the SB Roc with the three-toed Roc claw stamp i started throwing recently. It's only 173g and is nice and grippy and flies like magic. Can't wait to see a STAR Coyote...

Dave, or anyone else that might know; was there ever any runs of ce valk's made in that same shade of blue as the 1st run/prototype blueberry ones? I've seen other lighter blues in later runs but nothing in that darker, more distinctive color. Also Dave, if you were to make a big bead aviar in star/medium-firm plastic it just might be the sweetest putter ever made!!

Rob, yes Fore is correct again, and so are you.

Also Dave, if you were to make a big bead aviar in star/medium-firm plastic it just might be the sweetest putter ever made!!



I would stick with my KC's for going into the basket, but the Star BB Aviar would be the best short drive/approach ever made. Please soon Dave!!

Dave, or anyone else that might know; was there ever any runs of ce valk's made in that same shade of blue as the 1st run/prototype blueberry ones? I've seen other lighter blues in later runs but nothing in that darker, more distinctive color. Also Dave, if you were to make a big bead aviar in star/medium-firm plastic it just might be the sweetest putter ever made!!





Most people dont have any idea what a true bluberry disc looks like. Ive seen stone blue and sky blue discs try to be passed off as 1st Run Blueberrys. There are also Lime Green versions that are even more rare than the Blueberrys. I have a CE FX that is that way and Blueberry Leopards and have seen a blueberry/ lime green mixed Valk that came from Juliana. She sold it my friend, gently used, for 15$ in 02.

Dave,
Happy Holidays!

Kudos on the star stingray! I love that disc and can't wait to get my hands on the newest version!

A question about the disc catcher...if I were to order one from the factory, would they be able to mismatch the colors so per say, I could have a black bottom with a red top? everyone I practice with have matching DC's and I want to be alittle diffrent.

Thanks D!

troof, the East coast office might be able to help you with that.

Dave - First thanks to Innova for making the CFR Wraith..still the best driver ever made IMO.

Second...I just won your monthly raffle and will rcv a mini discatcher target.

I spoke with John at Innova and he wasn't sure if the raffles would still be ending after January's raffle or continue through 2006.

When will the raffles stop being held?
Thanks Innova
17684

Hey Dave,
Will you be attending the NorCal/SoCal challenge? Also, will there be a disc in the players package?KL

I spoke with John at Innova and he wasn't sure if the raffles would still be ending after January's raffle or continue through 2006.

When will the raffles stop being held?
Thanks Innova
17684



the reward drawings will be held through 2006. Everyone who is currently entered, will still be eligible.

Kenny, yes, yes. Don't know what disc, at this time.

Dave - First thanks to Innova for making the CFR Wraith..still the best driver ever made IMO.

Second...I just won your monthly raffle and will rcv a mini discatcher target.

I spoke with John at Innova and he wasn't sure if the raffles would still be ending after January's raffle or continue through 2006.

When will the raffles stop being held?
Thanks Innova

Dude the mini basket rocks...Santa got one for my 5 year old and I love it :D
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Dave, is there any plan for a Shark in the Star plastic? I throw a max weight shark in Pro Plastic mainly because of the grip but I go through at least 1 every two months, a Star Shark with the same or near the same grip would be golden.

Hi Dave,

When will the Starfire be released in Star plastic, and will it be the X or L mold?

Thanks.

L Mold first...and I think dave said sometime in the early part of 06.

Upthread, Dave stated both the Star SL (L mold like the Pro Starfires) and the Star Starfire (regular more stable mold) will be released, i think by March. It would be nice to see a list announcing which discs will be released in STAR plastic and when -- but probably nothing is set in stone...

10up, there will be a Star Shark, but I think later in the Spring.

Yes, Star SL will be first in January. Regular Champion Starfire. Star Starfire will be later in the Spring, I believe. Nothing is set in stone, but Star Aeros and SLs are running now.

Hey Dave , is the Star plastic pretty consistent through all the runs ?

Dave,

I was just going through some newer stock and noticed that I had a Pro Firebird marked FB. It resembles the FX mold to a degree, but the bottom half is considerably more "shallow" and has a lower overall profile when compared to a Champion Firebird and it's also missing the small "lip" on the outside edge. Any clues?

Happy New Year!
Mike Barnett

Donny, I think there is variation like all candy type plastic. It's mostly new to me, so I don't really know yet.

Mike, the Pro Firebirds were all FL type. Your description sounds consistent with that. FLs will be run in Star plastic in the future and marked as FL. Firebirds in Star will be F(X)molds and marked FB.

Dave,

It's definitely not an FL as there is a pronounced "curve" to the underside rim. It has the same profile height as the other FL's but not the same rim configuration. Maybe I'll drop it in the mail.

Thanks!
Mike

hi Dave-- are the latest dx beasts out there the newer [L] mold? if so, how do these compare to the original dx beasts? these were perfect new. are the newer ones much less hi-speed stable than the older ones? thanks

Star Aeros and SLs are running now.



So far there have been Star Orcs, Star Wraiths, Star Sidewinders, Star Teebirds, Star Beasts, and Star Stingrays. Now Star Aeros and Star SLs are running. With this new plastic I would expect the most popular molds to be run first. Is the Aero that popular? I would have expected other molds like the Aviar, Firebird, and Eagle to come out before the Aero. FYI, I'm NOT complaining about the order of release, just curious as to how the order of release was decided.

Also, i'm impressed with how quickly you've released the varying molds in the new plastic.

Thats probably some sort of marketing strategy :D,

Dave, will the Monster be run in star plastic anytime soon?

steven, the newer Beasts are the L mold and are less high speed stable and have more carry. They are not a disc you would want to throw into a wind unless you expect a turn. The original DX Beasts were not that different from Orcs, in my opinion, and that is why I changed them.

The order of Star run is a combination of what was in the machines at the time, what we needed, and what we think will be most popular. I chose the Aero as it had a slight retool and I thought the Star plastic would be perfect for it.

the Star Monster is not on the schedule yet.

Hi Dave:
Happy New Year!

Any way I can convince you to run Star Rams?
You need a good overstable Star disc!!! :D:D:D

Seriously, we really appreciate everything you do...especially taking my Ram abuse! :D;)

Thanks Dave for answering my question.

Thanks Dave. Have a great New Years Holiday !!!!!!

so who buys or throws arrows??????????????????

You mean aero's? I don't personally...but I know some of our top advanced guys use them on tight/technical courses.

Nolan Grider uses Aero's