are the ceilings lower over there too?




Yes, I have three knots on my head. :confused:

Does he realize that chopsticks are for eating with, not typing on the keyboard?

And no matter what people say or do, Saki shots between rounds is not a smart thing to do. That is a whole different kind of drunk and hangover all together.

P.S. I wanna Tee-Rex X..... and please confirm the rumors that the Star Eagle, when ever they appear on shelves, will be back in the X mold as well.




Champion and DX will remain L versions. We hope to do a Star run in the X version in the next month or so.

Dave, any news on that new midrange you are working on?

Good luck in Japan :cool:!



It is not ready yet. I hope to start testing later this month.

Dave,

Will Champion Aviars switch to the no bead mold like the Star Aviars?


champion　is not going　to be available for a while, and we have not decided as yet.



Does this mean you aren't running any discs in champion plastic for a while or just not Aviars?

Thanks,
Lou



Just not Aviars.

Dave,

You've probably already answered this question but, is there any plan to make Star Vikings?




I hope to but I dont know when it can be scheduled. Probably late in the year.

Second question,

This isn't the right thread, but as a long time proponent of the bent elbow technique, how do you line up your drives? With the reach back (what I use) I line up by reaching back along the line I'm throwing down. If I recall correctly, your emphasis is on the hit, that is you make sure the disc is on line at the hit. Is that visual, or is it a mental postion you've laid out earlier in the throw?




Good question Lyle. It is a mental position and a physical position. I find the line by holding the disc in front of me at the point I expect the hit to start. I then try to visualize the flight and feel the power of the hit against my right hip (if I am throwing RHBH). At that point, my body should be in the GO position. This is the posisiton my hips, feet, legs, shoulders, etc. should be in when the hit starts. I also get the orientation of the disc in my hand at that point　and feel the part of the rim that is going to rip off my fingers. It sounds complicated, but is really one simple thing and that is I FEEL the shot at the hit. I pay absolutely no attention to the reach back.

Dave,
I stopped by a local DG vendor and saw something odd. There were 2 "Star TEE-REX"s and 4 "STAR TEEREX"s. Why do some have a hyphen and some not? Are some 1st runs, and some later runs? Also, which came 1st? Which is the newest stamp? Why was it changed?
Thanks.



They are all first runs but the Tee-Rex was wrong and had to be changed to no dash.

Dave thank you for the Star Coyote! it is the perfect compliment to my Champion Coyote and it flies like a dream. so far i find it more high speed stable and when thrown with hmmmph and snap it goes very straight.

it's kind of ironic that the <u>O</u>rc, <u> R</u>oadrunner and <u>C</u>oyote are my favorite new Innova discs :D

Dave, any news on that new midrange you are working on?


It is not ready yet. I hope to start testing later this month.



I am willing to test even if I have to pay for plastic and shipping! email me at [email protected] for mailing address when you get back stateside. I already have the hole in the bag for this magic piece of plastic. Any early guestimations or scientific hypothesis about how this disc will behave?

are the ceilings lower over there too?




Yes, I have three knots on my head. :confused:



Welcome to my world...and everyone thinks it's cool to be 6'8" :confused:

are the ceilings lower over there too?




Yes, I have three knots on my head. :confused:



so maybe then this is a good time to talk you into releasing all Champion discs with the mini-star hotstamp and the name of the model in small font encircling the mini-star? :D

Dave,

just picked up a new beadless aviar in the new dx. and it is awesome. i putt with the old 1991 aviar p&a's and the new plastic reminds me alot of them. in fact, it would be awesome to have the old stamp on these. the disc coming toward the chains stamp. what an awesome stamp that was.

: ) :

Hi Dave,
any news on the dx Tee-Rex yet, release-date?

I would love to see a Tv-commercial for that disc, picture this :D:
A hole situated in a rainforest, large trees on both sides of the "fairway", you see the tee-sign, it is 450feet hole, straight ahead, you can see the basket far away.
Feldberg,... or Lundmark.... or Climo or..., well a pro golfer, sweating, picking up a red Tee-Rex driver from his bag and is getting ready to throw.
He throws, it is great throw, the disc flies in an almost straight line towards the basket. Then suddenly from the right side /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif, a T-Rex sticks out is head and tries to get a bite of the disc!! It misses it, and then the disc lands3 feet from the basket. A text fades in "11, even faster than a ......".
The end.

How about trees getting uprooted in a helix shape with the dino sounds behind it...sounds like a tee rex, but all you can see is tree trunks and foliage flying. Finally, emerging from the forest to the putting area is the disc, landing a few feet from the basket. The camara pans up to see a dino-sized bite out of the basket.

"Innova Champion Discs Present: The TeeRex. Get Prehistoric. Get Primal. Get There."

That one's free, the next one will cost ya. ;)
Just send me that box of Teerexs...pm me for my address! :D;)

Hi Dave,
any news on the dx Tee-Rex yet, release-date?

I would love to see a Tv-commercial for that disc, picture this :
A hole situated in a rainforest, large trees on both sides of the "fairway", you see the tee-sign, it is 450feet hole, straight ahead, you can see the basket far away.
Feldberg,... or Lundmark.... or Climo or..., well a pro golfer, sweating, picking up a red Tee-Rex driver from his bag and is getting ready to throw.
He throws, it is great throw, the disc flies in an almost straight line towards the basket. Then suddenly from the right side , a T-Rex sticks out is head and tries to get a bite of the disc!! It misses it, and then the disc lands3 feet from the basket. A text fades in "11, even faster than a ......".
The end.

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Commercial Idea for Disc Golf TV. Similar Idea as above, but no golfer (saves fees). Just show from a good distance trees geeting knocked down coming in your direction. (Think of the show LOST and that invisible creature that attacks and knocks trees around). As the the "creature" gets closer and closer, you start to pan up into the air over the trees and see the trail of destruction going on. All of the sudden the screen goes black and you hear a dinosaur roar and then a loud "CHING" of chains hitting. You slowly fade in and sitting in the basket is a new TeeRex.

This is where you could add a tag line like "Need more Power? Get Primal. Get Prehistoric. The New TeeRex. Guarenteed to get you there."

Hey Dave, I have peaked my curiosity from a previous thread. The STAR XD, was this mold tweaked in any way from the DX version, or is the slight differences I notice (ie blunter nose) just the nature of the STAR plastic?

How about this,

Save the money that would be spent on a comercial, and use it to send out sponsorship information to nike rebok adidas... get some major sponsors on board so the player base and fan base can grow and down the road the comercials can be shown durring x games between actual tv footage of disc golf events. :D

do you mean like a highlight reel of Team Champion and then a statement at the end like: Nike: just do it! (with Nike paying for the ad)? :eek: :D

OK, I can't pass up this fantasy commercial opportunity. Commercial is in slow motion with camera behind a right hander throwing a forehand thru the jungle. When the disc is partway down the fairway, a T. Rex head pops out from the left and he opens his mouth like he's going to bite the disc as it comes by. All of a sudden, his tail swings out from off camera to gently redirect the disc into the basket. The final frames are the T. Rex standing next to the basket with legs crossed with the announcer saying, "Let a simple TeeRex flick become the Star of your game."

i'm going to have to guess ^ that one ^ gets an almost perfect rating ;)

I dunno. The more I throw sidearm with my teerex, the more distance I get when I throw a wraith sidearm. Seems like the teerex is really improving my sidearm snap. Its funny to watch me flex out a teerex with a hyzer flip and people say they have not had a teerex do that. I may be selling my 8 wraiths in my bag for teerex's after the Nashville Vapor Trail. Still havent had the chance to try lighter weight rexs....... besides, I have a sidearm, who needs anny shots?

TeeRex. The original prehistoric Firebird...... I still need a TeeRex-X though. Max Weight for those shots that a Monster is not quite needed.

What's the next Dinosaur Disc ?

The Pterodactyl Bird ?

The Raptor II ?

:D

the "Flying Roach" is next!
Roaches outlived dinosaurs so they are tougher :o

how about the All-osaurus for an all around, multi purpose mid? :D

the "Flying Roach" is next!
Roaches outlived dinosaurs so they are tougher :o



I know of some players that would dig roaches.............Dude.......got a roach on you ? :D

"The Roach helps you survive the hottest rounds your competition can throw at you."

"The Roach Stars in your darkest rounds."

"Use the Roach to scramble when it really counts."

Throw a roach for those truly filthy shots.

Pull out the Roach when your game is in the dumps.

Roach is for very short, sticky shots.

Next they'll ask for the Ratt !!!!! :eek:

OK, here's a slogan challenge. What's the fewest word sentence you can create that includes six different currently PDGA approved Innova discs www.pdga.com/discs.php (http://www.pdga.com/discs.php)
Spelling can be liberal. For example, Goblin could stand for gobblin'. I've got one with eight words which I'll be Dragon out after you have a chance at it.

geez, when Daves away, the message board will play :cool:

Well, if there aren't a few posts on this popular thread, readers will go thru withdrawl...

What's the next Dinosaur Disc ?

The Pterodactyl Bird ?

The Raptor II ?

:D



The "Megalodon" = Large diameter Shark mold ;)

Hi Dave,
since this thread has totally drift off to the Jura-era (And it is probably my fault ) I have to repeat my question:
Any news on the dx Tee-Rex yet, release-date?

Just to let you know Dave is here! First Ace by Dave Dunipace at Nasu Highlands Course (http://japanopen.org/?p=72)

BOO! Hit that bad boy in practice..... Dont you know you sandbag your practice round so that you can get some side action from your card? LOL. Anywho its still the first ace.

Sorry for all the clutter you have to read through on this thread now, but Im still willing to test that new midrange for you. Like I previously posted, ill pay shipping and for plastic if i need to. email me [email protected]

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LOL still one of the best posts I have EVER read :D

Dave - I came across a black 175 champion viking back in November of '05 and immediately picked it up. It looked at felt exactly like a nightshift orc, opaque and grippy and very much like a special blend. Do you know anything about these discs? Are there other discs in that sweet plastic floating around? Or do I have a rare one?

Thanks,
Dion

Congratulations Dave !!!!!
http://japanopen.org/?p=72

Dave! Dunno what that new midrange you are working on is like, but I would love to see something that replaces the roc. Maybe something with the following stats: Speed 5, Glide 5 (or faster), Turn 0, Fade 3.

I would love to see it in a mold like the coyote or goblin with that hellacious fast glide and float that they both have but with the accuracy and stability of a roc. I even have a name: Ninja. I can see the DX stamp now. A Ninja with sword in hand throwing 3 ninja stars toward the person holding the disc.

Ninja. I can see the DX stamp now. A Ninja with sword in hand throwing 3 <font color="red"> ninja stars</font> toward the person holding the disc.



Why not Innova Stars??

Even better. See Dave, no need to pay for marketing or research on disc names, just people on this thread.

This disc would be great because anytime you make a bad shot, you could just scream out "Ninja Vanish" and the disc would dissappear into the woods. Anytime you hit that awesome birdie or ace, you could say your Ninja has "Cat like reflexes."
See, the disc sells itself.

Real Ultimate Power (http://realultimatepower.net)

You never know when a ninja might just flip out and kill someone.

Example:
Did that guy just get hit by a disc?
Yes.
What was it?
A Ninja.
Oh. He's dead. Anyone want to split his plastic with me?

Click on the above link..... it will all make sense. Just remember that Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet!
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Side Q to Dave:
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I have been looking for a replacement disc for my last (gasp) discraft disc in my bag, a buzz. Screwing around in our local plastic pimp's touring truck of plastic sin and accidentaly knocked over a shark. Didnt see the name, only the mold and could have sworn it was a buzz! Got the Champ version and man that thing is a slight more overstable than my Z Buzz and im in love! Is it due for star plastic anytime soon, and do disc makers tend to run this close in mold designs?

P.S. all Innova bag now...

Hey Dave not to keep asking the same question over again but a few weeks ago you were going to run star Rhynos did that happen or are u still waitin?

Hi Dave,
since this thread has totally drift off to the Jura-era (And it is probably my fault ) I have to repeat my question:
Any news on the dx Tee-Rex yet, release-date?





It is currently available to tournaments. The 150 Class was very well received here in Japan. Very useful in the wind. It should be out in major distribution this fall.

Dave - I came across a black 175 champion viking back in November of '05 and immediately picked it up. It looked at felt exactly like a nightshift orc, opaque and grippy and very much like a special blend. Do you know anything about these discs? Are there other discs in that sweet plastic floating around? Or do I have a rare one?

Thanks,
Dion



Sounds like a rare one to me. I personally dont remember any.

Hey Dave not to keep asking the same question over again but a few weeks ago you were going to run star Rhynos did that happen or are u still waitin?



The Rhyno is currently in production. We will run at least a tournament sized batch of Stars.

I am still in Japan. I now have four lumps on my head!! :p

Japan is awesome. Kozo Shimbo has put on another spectacular event. This is not just a tournament, but as a tournament it can stand on its own with any including USDGC. It is also a social and travel experience. The food they feed us is fit for kings. A whole bunch of people do not want to leave. The Japanese people are wonderful hosts. If you get an opportunity to attend in 2008, dont miss it.

I am still in Japan. I now have four lumps on my head!! :p



can we look forward to the release of an Innova helmet prior to next year's Japan Open? :eek: :D

Dave,
Will you be running glow Champion Coyote's anytime soon?

They are not on the schedule as of now.

Dave,
Will you be running glow Champion Coyote's anytime soon?


The glo ch is a 1st class midrange, looking forward to try out the Star-version.

Any word on how the stamping for the Star Monsters is going or when the new Innova Bags will be released?
THANKS!!!

Dave,
Will you be running glow Champion Coyote's anytime soon?


The glo ch is a 1st class midrange, looking forward to try out the Star-version.



Kjell,
You'll like the new Star Coyote. I took mine out yesterday and it's flying like the glo. I didn't care for the DX Coyote.

Dave, what's the progress on the new Innova Tour Bag? Any news? Testing? Price?

Dave, what's the progress on the new Innova Tour Bag? Any news? Testing? Price?



The soonest time for the new bag is about 5 weeks. I don't have info on the prices yet. There will be two different models, at two different price points. Although it wasn't planned, both will be available around the same time, if all goes well from this point.

Any word on how the stamping for the Star Monsters is going or when the new Innova Bags will be released?
THANKS!!!



The Star Monsters have not been stamped yet. The new Innova bags are scheduled for the end of July at this point.

are there any big changes in the design of the bags?

CUDA CUDA CUDA CUDA CUDA

I need the CUDA to come back :D

What are the chances of the next disc having a retro name?


I can't understand how no one on the earth has a stack of Barracuda's that they are just trying to get rid of.

:(

I NEEEEEEEEEED ONE or 12 BAD!

are there any big changes in the design of the bags?



The tour bag didn't change much. The water bottle holders, the stiching was reinforced, and a few other minor things. The Champion bag is a completely new offering.

What are the chances of the next disc having a retro name?




We have been toying with using some old names, but were worried about the confusion. We could always say something like Scorpion 2.

Dave,

You probably already answered this but will you be coming out with the Big Bead Aviar in the Star Plastic?

Josh

The Champion bag is a completely new offering.


Can we get some sneek-peak photos of the bag DAVE? PRETTY-PLEASE???
I need a new bag and need to know if I should wait for this one.
Specs? How many discs does it hold? Dividers? Water Bottle holders? Pockets? PRICE??? of price range?

Dave,

You probably already answered this but will you be coming out with the Big Bead Aviar in the Star Plastic?

Josh



Yes, eventually. It is not scheduled yet.

The Champion bag is a completely new offering.


Can we get some sneek-peak photos of the bag DAVE? PRETTY-PLEASE???
I need a new bag and need to know if I should wait for this one.
Specs? How many discs does it hold? Dividers? Water Bottle holders? Pockets? PRICE??? of price range?



The east coast office is handling the new bag. They may be able to answer some of your questions. 803-366-5028

I recently bought 2 of each, all max weight. I thought the SL was going to be understable like the Pro Starfire (L mold), well its not even close. The Star SL was equally as stable as the Starfire, if not more stable. There was really not much difference between the 2 in terms of flight (I threw them a bunch of times in a field). I thought I was buying 2 understable long range drivers and 2 stable long range drivers, not 4 overstable drivers, whats the deal? I feel like I just wasted $70. Thanks in advance.

a few of my star sl's had a little extra flashing on the bottom and they flew overstable compared to others. just sand that down a touch and you have a great straight disc

: ) :

thanks man, mine have a lot of flashing on the bottom, I'll give it a try tonight at dubs.

btw, do I know you from Greenville?

I have an SL, SX, and a first run SF. I did not see any difference in flights between the SL and SX when I first got it. But after throwing them a while and having both discs take a few hits I can see a difference in flight path.

If thrown flat the SL the SL will turn to the right slightly and hold it for a long time before fading ever so slight. The SX thrown flat flies straight, and if it turnsover it is not hugely noticable. The SX will fade at the end.

My first run SF flies like a mix of the two discs.

If you sand that slight amount of flashing off (it's present on nearly ever star SL I've seen), it should be a bit more high speed understable. However, I think that the star SL's have a bit more low speed fade than their pro counterparts.

I recently bought 2 of each, all max weight. I thought the SL was going to be understable like the Pro Starfire (L mold), well its not even close. The Star SL was equally as stable as the Starfire, if not more stable. There was really not much difference between the 2 in terms of flight (I threw them a bunch of times in a field). I thought I was buying 2 understable long range drivers and 2 stable long range drivers, not 4 overstable drivers, whats the deal? I feel like I just wasted $70. Thanks in advance.




$70 for 2 discs?

Try throwing it for a week. It will get flippy. I had one that I loved NEW, but after about a week or 2 it got alot less stable, now it goes dead straight. If I want it to anny the whole way I throw it a little higher ( above my chest, not quite even with my shoulders ) and it holds a anny line for about 330ft., finishing slow and on the anny line.

it was 70 for 4 discs

SLs are too flippy. I love the new Tee-Rex though. That disc was an answered prayer. I had just started to flip Wraiths and this fix my issue. Goes straight for a mile. If you liked the starfire, try these out.

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Hey Dave! Just bought a 170 gram yellow Tee-Rex and a Blue 175 gram Tee-Rex. The Blue is super straight, more so than some green ones I have, and the yellow is very very overstable. Is it possible that some Tee-Rex Xs are being run with the regular Tee-Rex stamp? Me and several friends want to know because we cant see a visible difference in the shape of the disc compared to other Tee-Rexs.

I recently bought 2 of each, all max weight. I thought the SL was going to be understable like the Pro Starfire (L mold), well its not even close. The Star SL was equally as stable as the Starfire, if not more stable. There was really not much difference between the 2 in terms of flight (I threw them a bunch of times in a field). I thought I was buying 2 understable long range drivers and 2 stable long range drivers, not 4 overstable drivers, whats the deal? I feel like I just wasted $70. Thanks in advance.



The Star SLs are different than the Pros, which tend to be quite understable when compared. The Pros also have more float and a little less speed. There is a difference between the SL and Starfire that you should notice with use. The SL is a straighter flyer, and a better turnover disc. Upwind throws will reveal more than other throws. The suggestion to remove the slight flashing on the bottom should do the trick, or just wait for a little wear. Unfortunately, that particular model is susceptible to flash when the mold is packed well with plastic. Sorry about the problem.

SLs are too flippy. I love the new Tee-Rex though. That disc was an answered prayer. I had just started to flip Wraiths and this fix my issue. Goes straight for a mile. If you liked the starfire, try these out.

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Hey Dave! Just bought a 170 gram yellow Tee-Rex and a Blue 175 gram Tee-Rex. The Blue is super straight, more so than some green ones I have, and the yellow is very very overstable. Is it possible that some Tee-Rex Xs are being run with the regular Tee-Rex stamp? Me and several friends want to know because we cant see a visible difference in the shape of the disc compared to other Tee-Rexs.



Most likely it is a molding variation. It doesn't take much change to make a difference in the longer range discs. Color seems to make a difference, among other things. I tested out several colors of 150 class DX TeeRex, and found the yellow to be less stable than the blue or red.

We did run a small number of TeeRex Xs, but they were a tournament disc.

We could always say something like Scorpion 2.


Ahhh, Scorpion. That brings back memories. You would want to stay true to the spirit of the disc, if not the actual mold.

Dave, Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, are there going to be any Super Rocs run for Worlds this year? If not, are any older ones still available?

Also, are there any plans on doing any Star Rocs?

Dave, Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, are there going to be any Super Rocs run for Worlds this year? If not, are any older ones still available?

Also, are there any plans on doing any Star Rocs?



There are no plans to run Super Rocs for Worlds this year. I don't know if any of the prior run are still available.

We ran Star Rocs for USDGC this year and will run them again for next year. They may have been referred to as Special Blend. Both Rancho and Ontario type were run.

Are.....Star FL been ran yet? Star Coyote more stable than Champ Coyote.......thanks for your dedication and time.......GB

Dave, Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, are there going to be any Super Rocs run for Worlds this year? If not, are any older ones still available?

Also, are there any plans on doing any Star Rocs?



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http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=roc%5Fsuper%5F2005

Dave, are any of the Innova guys from the States like Climo or Schultz going to the Supertour in Finland next weekend?

Are.....Star FL been ran yet? Star Coyote more stable than Champ Coyote.......thanks for your dedication and time.......GB



Unfortunately, I don't believe we have gotten to the FL yet because of scheduling. It is in the schedule to be run as soon as we can.

Dave, are any of the Innova guys from the States like Climo or Schultz going to the Supertour in Finland next weekend?



I remember having a conversation about it in Japan, but I don't remember the details. It seems to me that we are going to have a few team members going, but I don't remember who they are. Sorry.

dave- i recently got some dx wraiths and teerexs. the plastic is stiff and very grippy. i then ordered online some new mold dx beasts, as i was told they were the same new plastic. the beast plastic is much slicker, and not quite as stiff. they are blue. the wraiths and t.r.s are yellow, white, pink. which is the new dx plastic, or do the colors factor in? thx again

Hi Mr Dave, any updates on the Molding Schedule of the Star Leopards?

Thanks in advance
Schweb

dave- i recently got some dx wraiths and teerexs. the plastic is stiff and very grippy. i then ordered online some new mold dx beasts, as i was told they were the same new plastic. the beast plastic is much slicker, and not quite as stiff. they are blue. the wraiths and t.r.s are yellow, white, pink. which is the new dx plastic, or do the colors factor in? thx again



The Wraiths and TeeRex are new plastic. The Beast was probably a combination of old and new plastics. Some discs won't run well in the new plastic, so a mix is used. Usually, the shinier the plastic is, the more of the new stuff is in it. We had to dial back the new stuff in some of the discs, as it shows scuffs from normal handling really badly. It makes some of the new discs look used on the shelf.

Hi Mr Dave, any updates on the Molding Schedule of the Star Leopards?

Thanks in advance
Schweb



Star Leopards are coming up in a couple of weeks.

Hi Mr Dave, any updates on the Molding Schedule of the Star Leopards?

Thanks in advance
Schweb



Star Leopards are coming up in a couple of weeks.

YES!!!!!!!

hey dave--thx for the reply. that is interesting as the dx wraiths and teerex are very tacky, almost like older dx or the "chalky" cyclones and status made years ago by discraft. they have no shine to them and are a flat, dull finish. this is the best driver plastic i have seen in a while, i'm loving these. the dx beasts definately have some shine to them, and feel like they have some pro plastic mixed in. not nearly as grippy as the wraiths and t.r.es. the plastic seems less durable and less grippy. i love the new beast mold in dx though, it is a great long understable driver/roller.

Hey Dave,

I've noticed that all the higher speed (10-11) discs have the wider rims (20 mm or greater). do you think I't's possible to develop a higher speed disc (10-11) with a smaller wing 18 mm or so? I'm guessing that the wider rim is necessary for high speed.

Can anyone give a review of the new run of beadless aviar P&A's?

Hey Dave,

I've noticed that all the higher speed (10-11) discs have the wider rims (20 mm or greater). do you think I't's possible to develop a higher speed disc (10-11) with a smaller wing 18 mm or so? I'm guessing that the wider rim is necessary for high speed.



The wider wing is the easiest way. But, yes it is possible to develop an even faster disc with a smaller wing, but there are technical problems related to disc specifications and control.

Peregrine Falcon. I just seen this as the Fastest Flying Bird.

Or a possible name for another Disc ?

Are.....Star FL been ran yet? Star Coyote more stable than Champ Coyote.......thanks for your dedication and time.......GB



Unfortunately, I don't believe we have gotten to the FL yet because of scheduling. It is in the schedule to be run as soon as we can.



Thx dave!!!!

Hey Dave,

I've noticed that all the higher speed (10-11) discs have the wider rims (20 mm or greater). do you think I't's possible to develop a higher speed disc (10-11) with a smaller wing 18 mm or so? I'm guessing that the wider rim is necessary for high speed.



The wider wing is the easiest way. But, yes it is possible to develop an even faster disc with a smaller wing, but there are technical problems related to disc specifications and control.



:D So how long before we get one? :D

Dave... what are the details about this new midrange you are working on?

Dave... what are the details about this new midrange you are working on?



It is overdue at this point. It will probably be here when I get back in the office next week. It should be a faster Goblin-like disc.

Finally test-drove some new Innova models last evening & am quite impressed:
149g DX TeeRex - I was BOMBing tomahawks with this joker, well over 300 feet. Also sweet for 400+ flex backhands & flicks.
150g STAR Goblin - Finally a replacement for my 150g JK Aviar (which was in my bag but too rare for me to actually throw often). Excellent feather-touch approach disc with a surprising amount of glide.

This afternoon will be testing 150g STAR Classic Roc. I'll report back . . .

In short, kudos to Dave & the rest of the folks at Innova. Keep 'em coming (and don't forget us light plastic throwers).

...This afternoon will be testing 150g STAR Classic Roc. I'll report back . . .

In short, kudos to Dave & the rest of the folks at Innova. Keep 'em coming (and don't forget us light plastic throwers).



Did you say STAR Classic Roc :eek: drool

Tee Birds and Valkyries seem outdated now...though they're the only discs to ever exceed 800'! Dave, what newer Innova discs offer the greatest Big-D potential for a new World Record?

DX TeeRex?????????

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!

Yep, DX TeeRex. They are sweet!

I agree with DSProAviar; NO WAY are Teebirds outdated. Still my go-to driver.

I retired my teebirds when the tee-rex hit the market. Why have a slower version of a disc when the faster version is just as accurate if not more? Hit a 150 foot side arm skip shot for bird yesterday with my tee-rex. This is a shot that my teebird would have just stuck on the ground. I dunno if its mental or not, but my sidearm game is much more accurate with the tee-rex.

My TRX and TB have a very similar line when thrown with similar angle and speed/spin. But the TRX goes alot farther. I've tried backing off the TRX when throwing 400 (straight shot) and the TB is waay more accurate at 400 (straight shot) because I don't have to back off on it. For anything over 410, I would use the TRX. Basically, for me, the 2 discs have the same line, but the TRX goes alot farther and is less controllable at slower speeds.

edit: I do throw my TRX alot on holes under 400, but only if I want the big high hyzer line. And I would still use a full throw.

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!



Absolutely! Ask any Innova Pro...most will have the teebird in the bag.

Dave,
Have you given any thought to "star-a-fying" the eagle?

Looking forward to ordering the star rhyno. Any field news on the flights yet?

Hey Dave not to keep asking the same question over again but a few weeks ago you were going to run star Rhynos did that happen or are u still waitin?



The Rhyno is currently in production. We will run at least a tournament sized batch of Stars.


Dave, where are the STAR Rhynos?

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!



Whole Heartedly agree!!

My TRX and TB have a very similar line when thrown with similar angle and speed/spin. But the TRX goes alot farther. I've tried backing off the TRX when throwing 400 (straight shot) and the TB is waay more accurate at 400 (straight shot) because I don't have to back off on it. For anything over 410, I would use the TRX. Basically, for me, the 2 discs have the same line, but the TRX goes alot farther and is less controllable at slower speeds.

edit: I do throw my TRX alot on holes under 400, but only if I want the big high hyzer line. And I would still use a full throw.



Nough said!! Very true!! :)

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I agree with DSProAviar; NO WAY are Teebirds outdated. Still my go-to driver.



Mine too!

I agree with DSProAviar; NO WAY are Teebirds outdated. Still my go-to driver.



Mine too!


BUMP! My 11x KC Pro Teebird and STAR TL will never leave my bag. Whenever I have an indecision about a hole, I automatically grab a teebird.

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!



Whole Heartedly agree!!



Some of the best rounds I've ever thrown have been two disc rounds - a putter and a TeeBird. Now if someone could just tell me why I'm toting around this 20 pound quad shocked bag........ :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

I agree with all of these last statements. The Tee-bird rocks. The Teebird, TL, Wraith, and Tee Rex are all great disc, but they all come out for different purposes. That 400 ft marker is a good indicator as to which disc I'll use. If your trying to reach a greater distance, like the boy scout seems to be, then the Tee Rex or Wraith can get you there. Regardless of how far you can throw, there should still be a spot in your bag for your Teebird and or TL.
Oh.. and Dave,
I've been throwing some star plastic and it feels good and throws well. I haven't formed an opinion on its durability yet. How do you compare the life span of Star plastic to Champion? Also, do you have any plans for a Champion TeeRex?

I throw Teebirds, wraiths, and Teerexes. At my home course I used to have to throw Wraiths to reach most of the holes, when the teerex came out I was trowing that to reach some with a straight/hyser shot. Lately I have been reaching for the Teebird more and more. There is just way less varience it what my Teebirds will do. I agree with everyone who says the Teebird is the best driver ever and I hope to be carring them for a long time.

There is no doubt that the T-Bird is far from outdated. I can get a T-Bird to hold a straighter line for more distance than any disc I have. Once it does tail off it does not skip half a mile either, unlike an Orc. I have not thrown my T-Rex long enough to say how it holds a stright line, but I cannot see it being the same as a T-Bird from the few times I have thrown it.

At my home course I used to have to throw Wraiths to reach most of the holes,



I want to visit this course!!! I've had to make the decision to put the wraith back into the bag because it's too long for some of the kzoo courses!! :p

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!



best disc ever made: the <font color="blue"> Aviar</font>! (most copied too) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

the beauty of a slower disc is that if your a few degrees off on your line it doesn't speed off target as fast nor as far...

as for best distance disc i wonder if the DX Orc or or DX SL has the best chance to beat the Valkyrie? seems to me like the DX TeeRex and DX Starfire and DX Wraith -- while great, consistent Distance discs -- aren't understable enough to maximize tailwinds and flirt with world record distance...

of course the more overstable stuff is a lot more forgiving if you are heavy on power and light on technique...

seems to me like the DX TeeRex and DX Starfire and DX Wraith -- while great, consistent Distance discs -- aren't understable enough to maximize tailwinds and flirt with world record distance...

of course the more overstable stuff is a lot more forgiving if you are heavy on power and light on technique...



I have a really nice beat up tee-rex, the first one I bought at the Bowling Green Ams. Still over stable, but when thrown flat it fights hard to try and flip to anhyzer but just doesnt quite get there. It ends up flying longer and straighter than a wraith put on the same line. I would be willing to expect someone out there using a dx-teerex that is light enough or beat enough to hit some amazing long distance D attempts in a long D competition. Knowing how low speed overstable that disc can be, if you manage to get a great hyzer flip out of the disc with the right tail wind, not only will it go forever, but if you hit your line right, when the disc finally flexs back out, the wind will push it like a kite out of hell.


As for teebirds, sure its a great disc, I just see more accuracy, reguardless of the situation, distance, or speed from my tee-rex. Could be I control a larger rim disc better?



Dave, a faster goblin? That sounds so sweet! I would love to test out some of those bad boys! I love the goblin and still have not decided whether or not it will replace either aviars or coyotes. I know the aviar will stay, but how is the goblin doing in sales? I would hate to see it go the way of the bulldog, my favorite windy day putter.

Could be I control a larger rim disc better?



i'm thinking larger rims mask technique issues and thus are a lot easier to control when throwing hard and that's why they are so popular...

Tee Birds...seem outdated now


No way. Best disc ever made!



Always carry a TeeBird in your bag.
I have been using a 11x Candy KC TeeBird. 174 grams.

At my home course I used to have to throw Wraiths to reach most of the holes,



I want to visit this course!!! I've had to make the decision to put the wraith back into the bag because it's too long for some of the kzoo courses!! :p



Come to the hambrick and see what it is all about!! Most people can find a hole or two to throw the wraith on.

Hey Dave,

I heard a rumor that you guys maybe re-designing the Discatcher Pro Basket ? Is this just a rumor ?
I think it's OK the way it is.
Something about a thinner band on top and chain configuration ?

Hey Dave,

I heard a rumor that you guys maybe re-designing the Discatcher Pro Basket ? Is this just a rumor ?
I think it's OK the way it is.
Something about a thinner band on top and chain configuration ?



SAY GOOD BYE TO THE BIG YELLOW DINGER!

Hey AviarX, I would be inclined to agree with you the more I think about it, but just cannot get past the simple fact that I have more "feel" or "touch" when using a wider rimmed disc. I can put a smaller rimmed disc on the same line and flight path as a wide rimmed disc. Wraith .vs. Viking - Wraith has about 60 feet on the viking. Only other difference, The wraith will hold a line I want for as long as I want. Sometimes the Viking just does not want to hold that same line. Same thing with making the disc skip. Wraith I have no problem, Viking does not like to always do it.

So, can I simply perform more actions with the wider rimmed disc that do what I want, or am I asking too much of the smaller rimmed discs?

Anyway, Im leaving this message more confused than when I started to post.

Tee Birds and Valkyries seem outdated now...though they're the only discs to ever exceed 800'! Dave, what newer Innova discs offer the greatest Big-D potential for a new World Record?


Simma down...geeeez! I'm guesstimating T'Birds came out around 98-99 so my comment about them 'seeming' to be outdated is based on a timeline. I carry 2 11x'ers and an SE TL and I won't go to a course w/o them.

So, Dave Dunipace...what newer Innova drivers offer the greatest World Record distance potential?

that may just be the magic of the Wraith. do you have the same control advantage with other big-rimmed discs?

also, do you find you can control an Aviar or Coyote even better. if not, you might want to try playing a few rounds with just midranges and putters and see if it helps your game.

okay back to you regular programmed Dave D disc and throwing expertise (i'm not an expert, but sometimes i catch myself playing one on the DB) ... :D

also, do you find you can control an Aviar or Coyote even better. if not, you might want to try playing a few rounds with just midranges and putters and see if it helps your game.



Good idea! I just matched a course record using only 2 KC Aviars. It is a neighborhood course, short nine holer. I definately pumped a couple over 320 (very light wind), which I have not even tried in a year or 2. Great practice!!!

Loriella Park: My record with a full bag=48, played once with only a Proline Gremlin & got a 43. Go figger'.

I'm waiting for the new run of Wolverine Discs !!!! :D

What Star discs are going to be released next?

also, do you find you can control an Aviar or Coyote even better. if not, you might want to try playing a few rounds with just midranges and putters and see if it helps your game.



Yeppers. Midranges are more accurate. Still fun trying to throw a putter 400 feet.

The HellRaiser !!!! :cool:

I think the Smasher is taken already.

How about the Scorpion X .

Dave,
With the onset of the star line do you see the pro plastic becoming discontinued? Also what is the difference between the new dx and the old dx? Is it just more durable or is it a new blend?

Dave,
Happy holiday weekend, get out and play some golf!!!!

What Star discs are going to be released next?



I think Dave said Star Monsters will be released some time in July...

Just got an email today. The star monster should be available July 10.

Just got an email today. The star monster should be available July 10.



pardon me while I got rub one out real fast :eek:

Dave,
With the onset of the star line do you see the pro plastic becoming discontinued?



If that happens i will throw all of my innova out and switch to a different company all together. i doubt it will though cause the star and pro plastic fly very differnt from each other. if anything would be replaced i think it would be the champion line.

I don't think any will be replaced, but if one is I think it would be the pro plastic. I think they already discontinued several of the Pro Line discs already.

I don't think any will be replaced, but if one is I think it would be the pro plastic. I think they already discontinued several of the Pro Line discs already.



I agree with this statement. I think it is unlikely that Innova will discontinue any line as a whole, but will continue to stop making certain discs in certain lines. For example, the Aviar has a million and a half different versions in all the lines, but considering its popularity, Innova would probaly not discontinue any lines that they are currently making a version of the Aviar. The KC Pro and JK Pro Aviars seem to be more popular than the Pro aviar, so maybe just the Pro Aviar would be discontinued but not all the Pro line discs. On the other hand, some discs dont need to be made in all the different lines. The Stingray used to be made in Champion but was discontinued in that plastic and made in Star now. This disc doesnt need to be made in Champion, but the whole line would not be discontinued since the Orc, and Eagle are not made in Star yet.

Star Whippets yet ?

I must admit...I hate the new star plastic. The champion is still the best in my opinion.

I must admit...I hate the new star plastic. The champion is still the best in my opinion.



I think the champion line is still the best also. I'm not sold that the star line will hold up. Mine seem to be holding up for now. But their still fairly new.

Knob Hill is a sick course. Played it a few times this summer when visiting family. Go STEELERS.

I must admit...I hate the new star plastic. The champion is still the best in my opinion.



I think the champion line is still the best also. I'm not sold that the star line will hold up. Mine seem to be holding up for now. But their still fairly new.

Knob Hill is a sick course. Played it a few times this summer when visiting family. Go STEELERS.



At least your throwing the right plastic !!!! Innova is still the best !!!! :D

any plans on star viking in the near future???? plzzzz

Tee Birds and Valkyries seem outdated now...though they're the only discs to ever exceed 800'! Dave, what newer Innova discs offer the greatest Big-D potential for a new World Record?



It's going to be tough for any disc to beat the current record, but that being said, there is no reason to think that the Valkyrie and TeeBird couldn't do it. My personal opinion is for lighter weight discs in the high 150s. For the heavier discs; the Pro Wraith and Pro Starfire have a lot of potential in high 165 - 170 gms. My longest golf throws, (not distance throws) have been with light weight DX Wraiths down wind thrown hyzer flip. The advantage of a TeeBird type disc for distance is you can expect 4 out of 5 of your discs to go where you want them to, in order to take advantage of the wind. Any disc with a turn, or a large return, cuts down your odds of a successful flight. But, you really only need one successful flight out of five.

Hey Dave not to keep asking the same question over again but a few weeks ago you were going to run star Rhynos did that happen or are u still waitin?



The Rhyno is currently in production. We will run at least a tournament sized batch of Stars.


Dave, where are the STAR Rhynos?



Star Rhynos probably will go to CFR, as we don't have time to run more, but are coming up.

I agree with all of these last statements. The Tee-bird rocks. The Teebird, TL, Wraith, and Tee Rex are all great disc, but they all come out for different purposes. That 400 ft marker is a good indicator as to which disc I'll use. If your trying to reach a greater distance, like the boy scout seems to be, then the Tee Rex or Wraith can get you there. Regardless of how far you can throw, there should still be a spot in your bag for your Teebird and or TL.
Oh.. and Dave,
I've been throwing some star plastic and it feels good and throws well. I haven't formed an opinion on its durability yet. How do you compare the life span of Star plastic to Champion? Also, do you have any plans for a Champion TeeRex?



I think the lifespan of Star vs Champion is about the same, but with some models I might give the nod to Champion. We will run Champion TeeRex at some point, but we are behind in the molding schedule and will have to run DX TeeRex first.

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Dave, a faster goblin? That sounds so sweet! I would love to test out some of those bad boys! I love the goblin and still have not decided whether or not it will replace either aviars or coyotes. I know the aviar will stay, but how is the goblin doing in sales? I would hate to see it go the way of the bulldog, my favorite windy day putter.



No worries, the Goblin is doing well as both a putter and approach disc. I am hoping the new longer version will have the same stable character with more speed. I was a little disappointed with the range of the Goblin. It seems to top out around 300 - 330 ft for practical range.

Hey Dave,

I heard a rumor that you guys maybe re-designing the Discatcher Pro Basket ? Is this just a rumor ?
I think it's OK the way it is.
Something about a thinner band on top and chain configuration ?



Just a rumour. The only other configuration I would consider at this time would be the "Hat" type we use for the Sport model.

also, do you find you can control an Aviar or Coyote even better. if not, you might want to try playing a few rounds with just midranges and putters and see if it helps your game.



Good idea! I just matched a course record using only 2 KC Aviars. It is a neighborhood course, short nine holer. I definately pumped a couple over 320 (very light wind), which I have not even tried in a year or 2. Great practice!!!



Another good training method is to use very light weight discs. Not only will they allow you to get a quicker rhythm, but they will unveil other technique problems for you to correct. Once you have mastered light discs, you can move up 5 or so grams at a time, as long as you keep your quickness. This is most useful for long range drivers rather than putters or approach discs. Grip issues and quickness are often weight related, and show up much more noticeably when trying to throw far.

What Star discs are going to be released next?



Monster and Leopard are next, followed by the Eagle. Star Rhyno will go to the CFR program soon.

Dave,
With the onset of the star line do you see the pro plastic becoming discontinued? Also what is the difference between the new dx and the old dx? Is it just more durable or is it a new blend?



We will continue any Pro model that has sufficient popularity. Other Pro models may be phased out over time. The following will continue to be made for the time being: KC and JK Pro Aviar, KC Roc, Pro Rhyno, Pro Starfire, and Pro Wraith. We still have Pro Valkyries, Firebirds, Leopards, and Beasts that need to prove themselves.

The new DX is a new blend and is more durable.

Star Whippets yet ?



Not yet

any plans on star viking in the near future???? plzzzz



The Viking is on the schedule, but is still several weeks out.

Dave_D:
The new DX is a new blend and is more durable.



Heck yes it is! Just got done proving it to a friend with a DX Goblin and hit 7 trees, the road twice, and a stone wall and it did not bend out of shape (if it did, it was not to the point that it would be spotted easily), nor did it take out any gouges or make dents. The thing flies the same and still has a smooth feel around the edge.

Is there a chance that the star rhynos might make it to Am Worlds at the fly mart?

I must admit...I hate the new star plastic. The champion is still the best in my opinion.



IMO, the Star plastic is too expensive.

For my game, as one who doesn't throw very far, the Proline Orc was the best driver ever made.

If you build the Star Rhyno it will sell..... :D

When it comes to fast drivers I think that Champion is more durable than Star. The CFR Wraith is an exception however, breaking in just as fast as Star. Is this a different blend of Champion? I hope the Champion Teerex will be more like normal Champion. The softer, grippier Star plastic breaks in faster than the stiffer, slicker Star. That being said, my Star Teebird is indestructable and is the best, most versatile driver I have ever had in my bag. Thanks Dave!

Is there a chance that the star rhynos might make it to Am Worlds at the fly mart?



I don't think so, but possibly. We are starting soon, but it takes time for the run, stamping, and shipping. It doesn't look good.

When it comes to fast drivers I think that Champion is more durable than Star. The CFR Wraith is an exception however, breaking in just as fast as Star. Is this a different blend of Champion? I hope the Champion Teerex will be more like normal Champion. The softer, grippier Star plastic breaks in faster than the stiffer, slicker Star. That being said, my Star Teebird is indestructable and is the best, most versatile driver I have ever had in my bag. Thanks Dave!



The Champion plastic we use in Wraiths is different than the plastic we use for Champion TeeBirds. Wraiths are impossible to run under the weight limit with normal Champion plastic.

When it comes to fast drivers I think that Champion is more durable than Star. The CFR Wraith is an exception however, breaking in just as fast as Star. Is this a different blend of Champion? I hope the Champion Teerex will be more like normal Champion. The softer, grippier Star plastic breaks in faster than the stiffer, slicker Star. That being said, my Star Teebird is indestructable and is the best, most versatile driver I have ever had in my bag. Thanks Dave!



The Champion plastic we use in Wraiths is different than the plastic we use for Champion TeeBirds. Wraiths are impossible to run under the weight limit with normal Champion plastic.



Will the Champion TeeRexs have to be made with the same plastic? Or will they be able to be made in the same plastic as the Teebirds?

http://dealer.innovadiscs.com/images/champion_bag1.jpg
Dave, the new bag looks awesome. Tell us more.
How much will it cost? Give us the down and dirty on the new bag. I'm holding off on getting a new bag and this one looks to be what I've been waiting for. Pitch the bag to me.
Also.....










WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS????????

When it comes to fast drivers I think that Champion is more durable than Star. The CFR Wraith is an exception however, breaking in just as fast as Star. Is this a different blend of Champion? I hope the Champion Teerex will be more like normal Champion. The softer, grippier Star plastic breaks in faster than the stiffer, slicker Star. That being said, my Star Teebird is indestructable and is the best, most versatile driver I have ever had in my bag. Thanks Dave!



The Champion plastic we use in Wraiths is different than the plastic we use for Champion TeeBirds. Wraiths are impossible to run under the weight limit with normal Champion plastic.



Will the Champion TeeRexs have to be made with the same plastic? Or will they be able to be made in the same plastic as the Teebirds?



TeeRexes are the same as Wraiths in terms of plastic. Monsters too. It has to do with rim size and mass.

http://dealer.innovadiscs.com/images/champion_bag1.jpg
Dave, the new bag looks awesome. Tell us more.
How much will it cost? Give us the down and dirty on the new bag. I'm holding off on getting a new bag and this one looks to be what I've been waiting for. Pitch the bag to me.




I really can't pitch the bag as I haven't been involved much. I did try it out and liked the water bottle holders that are flat when not being used. I only got to try the proto, which was tweaked a little after I saw it. The East Coast office has all the info. 1-803-366-5028. Maybe the web site too.

For my game, as one who doesn't throw very far, the Proline Orc was the best driver ever made.



The Proline Orc is the best distance driver ever made imo. My longest measured throw with one was 495 ft. The Pro Orc is the record disc for Boys 10 and under too: 121.65m (399ft) (160g Pro Orc: see the recent DGWN p.19) My Star Orc (Tulsa Worlds CFR) is far more durable and so is the Champion, but the Pro is definitely longer -- especially when there's a tail wind. the second run of Pro Orcs seemed as durable as any other Pro i have thrown too :confused:

whats the word on the teebird minis?

whats the word on the teebird minis?



The DX version was released last month for custom stamping. We probably won't be able to do a general release until next year. We will probably do Star at that time also.

What about a ram mini? :)

whats the word on the teebird minis?



The DX version was released last month for custom stamping. We probably won't be able to do a general release until next year. We will probably do Star at that time also.



Do you know what tournaments they are going to?

whats the word on the teebird minis?



I put in a custom order of 100 about a month ago -- I should have them soon!

whats the word on the teebird minis?



The DX version was released last month for custom stamping. We probably won't be able to do a general release until next year. We will probably do Star at that time also.



Do you know what tournaments they are going to?



Matt's is the only order as far as I know on the West coast. His should be stamped tomorrow.

Is there any chance of getting a Rhyno on the market like the Pro Line? It was stiffer and just as stable as the Pro which can be to flimmsy at times. Other than the Star which you said is going to be fund raiser only.

Is there any chance of getting a Rhyno on the market like the Pro Line? It was stiffer and just as stable as the Pro which can be to flimmsy at times. Other than the Star which you said is going to be fund raiser only.



My pro line is floppy just like my pro.

Hey Dave I have an oldie wondering if you could shed any light on it. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/innovatop.jpg

it has no markings at all on the bottom of the disc. :confused:

Can you show profile?

No markings on the bottom would make me think it was a Eagle. But, I never have seen this stamp on a Eagle.

could not get a good pic of the profile, feels like an old mold whippet, verry concaved wing and the wing is pretty small, but the flight plate is pretty domey. :confused:

I would bet its a light weight whippet, I bought about 10 just like it from Nick satori, climos early touring partner.

Oops!
sorry dave D :D

The first run Whippets did come with this stamp.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/innovabottom.jpg

Ok more on the mystery disc. it is marked on pen in the middle (large)180 I have never seen an Innova disc written on that big. then on the wing is written in pen 179. I have also never seen an Innova disc marked on the wing...

I was thinking Whippet too but not throwing them for YEARS I couldnt remember the exact feel for whippet or viper, but at 179 or 180 the mold possibilities are smaller at least.

Too heavy for a Whippet. Put it up against a Viper.

whats the word on the teebird minis?



I put in a custom order of 100 about a month ago -- I should have them soon!




The driver minis? I had them about 3 weeks ago. They go REAL far.

the stock stamp cracks me up

Mini Driver

http://www.nycny.com/movies/img/mini_driver.jpg

Is there any chance of getting a Rhyno on the market like the Pro Line? It was stiffer and just as stable as the Pro which can be to flimmsy at times. Other than the Star which you said is going to be fund raiser only.



Possibly in the future. For now you might want to try the regular DX Rhyno. It might be what you are looking for.

Hey Dave I have an oldie wondering if you could shed any light on it. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/innovatop.jpg

it has no markings at all on the bottom of the disc.

:confused:



No engraving? I would guess Viper Proto, but I am not sure. The stamp is an oldie. Possibly a Proto Raven.

Hey Dave,

Do you have any idea where I could find a list of what qualifies as "vintage class" discs?? Years ago the PDGA tried setting up classifications for competition that included 150 class, vintage class etc. I'm wondering if you know of a document that exists defining limits of this class?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/innovabottom.jpg

Ok more on the mystery disc. it is marked on pen in the middle (large)180 I have never seen an Innova disc written on that big. then on the wing is written in pen 179. I have also never seen an Innova disc marked on the wing...

I was thinking Whippet too but not throwing them for YEARS I couldnt remember the exact feel for whippet or viper, but at 179 or 180 the mold possibilities are smaller at least.



Nice mid 80's Viper.

Viper, yes. But they made their debut in '91. Is there any printing on the bottom?? (i.e. patent number lettering?) If not it's a proto.

True...............I have Cobra's and Whippets that look similar.

Scorpion 23cm max weigh 186g
Viper 21.7cm max weight 180g
Whippett 21.2cm max weight 175g
All with the same rim - released in that order

I have a Scorpion that says 186 , but it's actually 194 grams.

Hey Dave,

Do you have any idea where I could find a list of what qualifies as "vintage class" discs?? Years ago the PDGA tried setting up classifications for competition that included 150 class, vintage class etc. I'm wondering if you know of a document that exists defining limits of this class?



No, I don't know of a specific document, but the WFDF does. I know we made a few discs in that class. www.wfdf.org. (http://www.wfdf.org.) Look under approved discs, and then under max vintage weight.

Scorpion 23cm max weigh 186g
Viper 21.7cm max weight 180g
Whippett 21.2cm max weight 175g
All with the same rim - released in that order



So If I measured this sucker could I make a reasonable assumption as to what it is? and if so what is the correct way to measure it?

Dave,

I thought you mentioned to me that you will be producing Big Bead Star Aviars? You said it would probably late in line though.

Has that changed?

Josh



I am sure we will produce the BB Star, but it has been pushed back. That might change as we are having difficulty producing KC Pro Aviars, and might need a substitute.

would there be any way to make a soft JK type BB Aviar using a plastic as durable as Star/Champion?

would there be any way to make a soft JK type BB Aviar using a plastic as durable as Star/Champion?



Yes. Not too easy, and I don't know if it would have any following. For me JK is already very durable, less expensive, and grippier. I would not be inclined to want a softer Star/Champ unless there were some significant benefit. However, I could see wanting something in Star/Champion that was grippier than JK.

would there be any way to make a soft JK type BB Aviar using a plastic as durable as Star/Champion?



Yes. Not too easy, and I don't know if it would have any following. For me JK is already very durable, less expensive, and grippier. I would not be inclined to want a softer Star/Champ unless there were some significant benefit. However, I could see wanting something in Star/Champion that was grippier than JK.



Cool ..............."I could see wanting something in Star/Champion that was grippier than JK."

Grippier than JK ............. :D Perfect snow and rain disc.

would there be any way to make a soft JK type BB Aviar using a plastic as durable as Star/Champion?



Yes. Not too easy, and I don't know if it would have any following. For me JK is already very durable, less expensive, and grippier. I would not be inclined to want a softer Star/Champ unless there were some significant benefit. However, I could see wanting something in Star/Champion that was grippier than JK.



good. i was just a little worried upthread when you said the Proline JK and KC Aviars would continue to be made for the
time being , and was hoping that if the JK Aviar-x did ever meld into Star it would be a soft, grippy Star that is JK like ;)

Hey Dave..you might want to fix your website...

these are the June winners..not July..


Congratulations to the July Winners:
DISCatcher� Traveler Target - Rob - Las Vegas, NV
DISCatcher� Mini Target - David - San Antonio, TX
INNOVA Merchandise Pack - Carrie - Round LK Bch, IL
2006 USDGC Partners Pack - Jason - Leeds, MA
3-Pack Newly Released Discs - John - Kalamazoo, MI
3-Disc INNOVA Training Set - Kevin - Montgomery, AL
Innova T-Shirt - Jason - Ames, IA
Champions DVD - Devin - Middleton, ID
INNOVA Ball Cap - Adam - Dallas, TX
USDGC DVD - Bart - Crown Point, IN
2005 Champions Signature Disc - W. Ray - Plano, TX

Thanks, fixed.

Any news on if there is going to be a run of star hammers? :)

Is there any chance of getting a Rhyno on the market like the Pro Line? It was stiffer and just as stable as the Pro which can be to flimmsy at times. Other than the Star which you said is going to be fund raiser only.



Possibly in the future. For now you might want to try the regular DX Rhyno. It might be what you are looking for.



Oh, for the days of the SE Rhyno. For me, the SE Rhyno is a really good combination of grip and flip. I bought mine off a used rack a few years ago and can't find anything to replace it. But then, I have used the same ball golf putter since 1982 :cool:

we are having difficulty producing KC Pro Aviars, and might need a substitute.



Does this mean what I think this means?? Do you mean temporary substitute or permanent? OH NO

Also would that mean you are subing all 11X KC PRO Aviars and 11X KC PRO Rocs plastic?

Congratulations to the July Winners:
DISCatcher� Traveler Target - Rob - Las Vegas, NV




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Thx for the Innova Discatcher traveler. I wish I was as good on the course as I was with raffles.

Dave I just picked up an X-Out disc from the local play it again. when i peeled off the price tag the adhesive side was dyed purple, the color of the disc. later i was holding the disc and noticed purple dye on my hands and was abble to rub more off the disc with a towel. i was just wondering what would cause this to happen?

: ) :

we are having difficulty producing KC Pro Aviars, and might need a substitute.



Does this mean what I think this means?? Do you mean temporary substitute or permanent? OH NO



It's temporary unless the problem is permanent.

Also would that mean you are subing all 11X KC PRO Aviars and 11X KC PRO Rocs plastic?



The KC Pro Rocs were ok. It's only the Aviars at this point.

Dave I just picked up an X-Out disc from the local play it again. when i peeled off the price tag the adhesive side was dyed purple, the color of the disc. later i was holding the disc and noticed purple dye on my hands and was abble to rub more off the disc with a towel. i was just wondering what would cause this to happen?

: ) :



It's caused by excess color that the plastic couldn't hold. It is "bleeding" out. Purple is the worst offender for this problem. We are not reordering purple.

Dave, I have some purple champion discs that are fading to clear around the rim. Is this related but in the opposite direction?

Dave I just picked up an X-Out disc from the local play it again. when i peeled off the price tag the adhesive side was dyed purple, the color of the disc. later i was holding the disc and noticed purple dye on my hands and was abble to rub more off the disc with a towel. i was just wondering what would cause this to happen?

: ) :



It's caused by excess color that the plastic couldn't hold. It is "bleeding" out. Purple is the worst offender for this problem. We are not reordering purple.




Noooooooo! I love all of my puple discs. :(

Hi Dave,
how is the new Star Monster in stability compared to the 1st run of Champ Monster?

Noooooooo! I love all of my puple discs. :(



We can still make purple by mixing red and blue, or pink and blue.

Dave, you blow Mr. Wizard out of the water!

BTW, I don't know if I've asked this before but......

WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS??????

Hi Dave,
how is the new Star Monster in stability compared to the 1st run of Champ Monster?



They are similar to the first run, not the X type. They are also similar to the latest Champion run.

Dave, you blow Mr. Wizard out of the water!

BTW, I don't know if I've asked this before but......

WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS??????



Star Rhynos are in CFR for now. We didn't have time to do a full run.

Dave, you blow Mr. Wizard out of the water!

BTW, I don't know if I've asked this before but......

WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS??????



Star Rhynos are in CFR for now. We didn't have time to do a full run.



Come on Mr Dunnipace they will be hot sellers!!!!!

Dave, you blow Mr. Wizard out of the water!

BTW, I don't know if I've asked this before but......

WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS??????



Star Rhynos are in CFR for now. We didn't have time to do a full run.


WHERE??????????? Tell me where they are being sold as CFRs????? I want at least 5!

I love the picture of the girls. :)
I m going to be looking for them at the Flymart in a few weeks at worlds I hope I can find a couple.

I love the picture of the girls. :)
I m going to be looking for them at the Flymart in a few weeks at worlds I hope I can find a couple.



Sweet. Dirty Hippie Disc Golfing Girls. Right?

Look at the picture above I don't think that hippies have fake boobs and tan.

Hi Dave,
The new DX plastic looks/feels great. When can we expect some new DX Rocs? Our club is anxiously waiting for the Rocs in the improved DX plastic so we can stamp them with our new design.
Thanks,
Axis

Hi Dave,
The new DX plastic looks/feels great. When can we expect some new DX Rocs? Our club is anxiously waiting for the Rocs in the improved DX plastic so we can stamp them with our new design.
Thanks,
Axis



Rocs have been run in the new mixture, they are mixed in with the previous stock. Most of the stock is new, from what I am told by our inventory clerk.

Dave, you blow Mr. Wizard out of the water!

BTW, I don't know if I've asked this before but......

WHERE ARE MY STAR RHYNOS??????



Star Rhynos are in CFR for now. We didn't have time to do a full run.


WHERE??????????? Tell me where they are being sold as CFRs????? I want at least 5!



****...get this guy a Zoloft or something! Theyre coming...and Im not talking about your avatar! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave is employing the "TOOL" album strategy with the STAR Rhynos. Dave, don't make me wait 5 years like Tool did, I know the STAR Rhynos are out there, I just want to know where!

Dave is employing the "TOOL" album strategy with the STAR Rhynos. Dave, don't make me wait 5 years like Tool did, I know the STAR Rhynos are out there, I just want to know where!



They were just produced. No events have them yet.

Dave, Why is Steve Rico no longer a team member?

Dave, Why is Steve Rico no longer a team member?



He has never been an official team member. He is sponsored. He is independent.

when you are testing a disc to decide what its flight numbers/characteristics are, what plastic are you using?

also, any chance you will be making more discs in the special blend plastic (like the sb roc '06)? that just might be the grippest plastic i have ever used (even when its wet).

when you are testing a disc to decide what its flight numbers/characteristics are, what plastic are you using?

also, any chance you will be making more discs in the special blend plastic (like the sb roc '06)? that just might be the grippest plastic i have ever used (even when its wet).



We use DX and Champion or Star if we can. Sometimes all three, but usually using either Champion or Star is enough along with DX.

The latest SB Rocs are basically a Star type plastic that had a new slightly stiffer plastic added to the mix. That plastic will be gradually added to our present Star mix and will become the standard.

when you are testing a disc to decide what its flight numbers/characteristics are, what plastic are you using?

also, any chance you will be making more discs in the special blend plastic (like the sb roc '06)? that just might be the grippest plastic i have ever used (even when its wet).



We use DX and Champion or Star if we can. Sometimes all three, but usually using either Champion or Star is enough along with DX.

The latest SB Rocs are basically a Star type plastic that had a new slightly stiffer plastic added to the mix. That plastic will be gradually added to our present Star mix and will become the standard.



so the flight path ratings are a mix of the 2/3 different plastics?
or is it dx + star/champion = flight path?

thats awesome that the star is going to be more like the sb.

when you are testing a disc to decide what its flight numbers/characteristics are, what plastic are you using?

also, any chance you will be making more discs in the special blend plastic (like the sb roc '06)? that just might be the grippest plastic i have ever used (even when its wet).



We use DX and Champion or Star if we can. Sometimes all three, but usually using either Champion or Star is enough along with DX.

The latest SB Rocs are basically a Star type plastic that had a new slightly stiffer plastic added to the mix. That plastic will be gradually added to our present Star mix and will become the standard.



so the flight path ratings are a mix of the 2/3 different plastics?
or is it dx + star/champion = flight path?

Yes, but usually the DX and Candy types are fairly close. The Pro types were the most different.

thats awesome that the star is going to be more like the sb.

The latest SB Rocs are basically a Star type plastic that had a new slightly stiffer plastic added to the mix. That plastic will be gradually added to our present Star mix and will become the standard.



Dave
Would you (or someone) PLEASE notify this thread when and where you distribute Rhynos in this heavenly plastic mentioned above.

This just might turn into a road trip :D

The latest SB Rocs are basically a Star type plastic that had a new slightly stiffer plastic added to the mix. That plastic will be gradually added to our present Star mix and will become the standard.



Dave
Would you (or someone) PLEASE notify this thread when and where you distribute Rhynos in this heavenly plastic mentioned above.

This just might turn into a road trip :D


AMEN!

Happy Birthday Matt.

Is there any chance of having a new overstabl mid range put into star plastic or maybe something like a gator is star?

STAR Gremlin!!!! It rules!

champion or glo rocs are overstable pigs...I'm still breaking in my 05 Flagstick.

Star Whippets, Star Leopards, and Star Big Beads.

Then my bag will be complete.

Is there any chance of having a new overstabl mid range put into star plastic or maybe something like a gator is star?



Gator, probably.

Is there any chance of having a new overstabl mid range put into star plastic or maybe something like a gator is star?



Gator, probably.



Do you think the gator would retain it's overstable yumminess of the champion in the star plastic? I would imagine that it would have more DX flight characteristics since it seems that all star blended discs are more stable than their champion counterparts...

Do you think the gator would retain it's overstable yumminess of the champion in the star plastic? I would imagine that it would have more DX flight characteristics since it seems that all star blended discs are more stable than their champion counterparts...



Yes

Whats up with the Star Whippets Dave? Thanks!

I picked up my mini's order from my mailbox today. Today at lunch my friend Ron and I threw them for about a half hour or so. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I can throw these easily 1/3 farther than the champion Aviar minis. ****! I can't wait to get these mini-drivers in champion plastic!

Hi Dave,

If you are about 175 to 250 feet out from the basket for a backhand approach -- and for the sake of argument there exist no obstacles between you and the basket and no wind -- do you feel it is a higher percentage chance to get CTP it if you throw straight and flat, or off to the right with hyzer and letting the disc work itself to the target?

Right To Left! More chance for a CHING! ;)

Hi Dave,

If you are about 175 to 250 feet out from the basket for a backhand approach -- and for the sake of argument there exist no obstacles between you and the basket and no wind -- do you feel it is a higher percentage chance to get CTP it if you throw straight and flat, or off to the right with hyzer and letting the disc work itself to the target?



This is individual. For me, it's the hyzer to the right hitting 10 feet or so to the right of the target and squibbing to the target. If you have to land flat, a slight turnover is probably better. The worst shot for me is dead straight at 250 or longer. 100 - 150 dead straight works.