Dave, does a "beadless Gremlin" mean that it is really just a Panther???

I thought that the Gremlin was just a renamed Sniper after Ching stopped having Innova mold discs, and that a Sniper was beaded Panther.

STAR "Gremlin-L"s are a perfect fit for Gremlin lovers, falling (in overstability) right between a seasoned DX Gremlin & a Proline Gremlin.


That's good to hear. I was very disappointed with my ProLine (Champion) Gremlins when they first came out because they flew nothing like a Ching Sniper.



No, but the DX version was spot on to a slightly used Sniper. IMO.

I liked the Pro Line because of the overstability. I hope the new Gremlin-X will be out soon.

Hi Dave, any other plans for short run CFR stuff and when will they be available next?

any tenative date in mind for when star rhynos will be released?

Dave, does a "beadless Gremlin" mean that it is really just a Panther???

I thought that the Gremlin was just a renamed Sniper after Ching stopped having Innova mold discs, and that a Sniper was beaded Panther.



The Gremlin was a different version of Sniper. The first Sniper was just an X version of the Panther, but the Gremlin/Sniper (2nd version) was an X version of that. Ergo, the L version of the XX version brings the Star version back to an X version of the Panther.

STAR "Gremlin-L"s are a perfect fit for Gremlin lovers, falling (in overstability) right between a seasoned DX Gremlin & a Proline Gremlin.


That's good to hear. I was very disappointed with my ProLine (Champion) Gremlins when they first came out because they flew nothing like a Ching Sniper.



No, but the DX version was spot on to a slightly used Sniper. IMO.

I liked the Pro Line because of the overstability. I hope the new Gremlin-X will be out soon.

Hi Dave, any other plans for short run CFR stuff and when will they be available next?



Yes. I don't know which model and when. Really, I want to do as much CFR stuff as we can, but we never quite know when we can, especially right now with the production crunch.

any tenative date in mind for when star rhynos will be released?



Unfortunately no, but hopefully this summer.

Thank You Sir.

Thank You Sir.


Ditto. Star Rhyno's will complete my bag. That is....until you find a way to mold "beat-to-hell" star rocs.

Dave, does a "beadless Gremlin" mean that it is really just a Panther???

I thought that the Gremlin was just a renamed Sniper after Ching stopped having Innova mold discs, and that a Sniper was beaded Panther.



The Gremlin was a different version of Sniper. The first Sniper was just an X version of the Panther, but the Gremlin/Sniper (2nd version) was an X version of that. Ergo, the L version of the XX version brings the Star version back to an X version of the Panther.


Ahhhh.......so how about a Star Puma, which is basically a thumbtrack Panther :D

Dave, does a "beadless Gremlin" mean that it is really just a Panther???

I thought that the Gremlin was just a renamed Sniper after Ching stopped having Innova mold discs, and that a Sniper was beaded Panther.



The Gremlin was a different version of Sniper. The first Sniper was just an X version of the Panther, but the Gremlin/Sniper (2nd version) was an X version of that. Ergo, the L version of the XX version brings the Star version back to an X version of the Panther.


Ahhhh.......so how about a Star Puma, which is basically a thumbtrack Panther :D




You're the second guy today to suggest that. Thumtrac Whippet? See you friday??

Dave, any chance for Starfires and SLs in DX? If so, when?

Dave, any chance for Starfires and SLs in DX? If so, when?



Definitely a chance for Starfires, but nothing is scheduled yet. Probably summer sometime, if we get a chance. Not likely with the SL.

Dave, this has nothing to do with equipment, but I know you look at the posts here...

Is Climo playing at the Masters Cup this year? I see he is registered for the Golden State Classic, but not the Masters Cup. I assume you would know, since Innova is his sponsor.

I'll be bummed if I can't watch him play next weekend...

Thanks,

Eric K

Dave,
Is there a DX Teerex in the works?
If so is do you have an eta, and will it come in 150 class?
Thanks,
Ronin

It's listed on Ken's web site:http://kenclimo.com/tour.htm

Hey Eric. I talked to Burl this last weekend and she says that Ken is coming but Barry isn't. She also said that Steve Rico isn't coming but Bamba is. See you out there.

Dave,
Is there a DX Teerex in the works?
If so is do you have an eta, and will it come in 150 class?
Thanks,
Ronin



DX Rex is already in tournament fundraising. It is in 150 class. Not sure when it will be in the regular offering.

Hey Dave

I have gotten Goblin and test it out several times

Is it a verison of Poor Man's SB rocs?? since Roc and Goblin has same speed and glide but Goblin has less fade than Roc

Space Cadet

What is the stability like for the special blend roc's compared to a pro roc? And what is the durability like?

Dave,
Does Millenium sponsor players or does that fall under Team Champion?
Do any innova sponsored players throw the millenium line? Exclusively or disc to disc?

Just a Q fan looking for an "in!" :D

Thanks, Dave! Have a great weekend!!!!

Troof

It's listed on Ken's web site:http://kenclimo.com/tour.htm



Not exactly, he is playing in the Beaver State Fling NT in Oregon and that is not on his initial schedule.

Hey Dave

I have gotten Goblin and test it out several times

Is it a verison of Poor Man's SB rocs?? since Roc and Goblin has same speed and glide but Goblin has less fade than Roc

Space Cadet



It is a completely different disc, but it does have a similar flight to an Ontario type Roc.

What is the stability like for the special blend roc's compared to a pro roc? And what is the durability like?



I think the Pro Roc is a little more overstable and the SB Roc is more durable

Dave,
Does Millenium sponsor players or does that fall under Team Champion?
Do any innova sponsored players throw the millenium line? Exclusively or disc to disc?

Just a Q fan looking for an "in!" :D

Thanks, Dave! Have a great weekend!!!!

Troof



A couple of our players use a Millennium disc or two. Millennium sponsors their own players.

Does the pro rock compare more to the star roc?

Dave,

Any plans on doing a run of Super Rocs for the 2006 Worlds?

Does the pro rock compare more to the star roc?



The KC Pro Roc is comparable to the Star Roc in flight. The Pro Roc is more low speed overstable. I am answering this from memory as I don't throw Rocs much. It would probably be better to ask the Roc fans.

Dave,

Any plans on doing a run of Super Rocs for the 2006 Worlds?



Not at this time.

goodday Dave,
ok the dx coytote is out. What's next for star and dx?
star goblin?

k

goodday Dave,
ok the dx coytote is out. What's next for star and dx?
star goblin?

k



Star Coyote is running now. When we can, we will run DX TeeRex in quantity and Star Rhynos. Right now our schedule is over full.

Your schedule is not overfull. Your capacity insufficient.

Buy some more injection machines and train some illegals to run them!

:D

Star Coyote is running now.



i'm so happy i could hoooooooooooowwwwwwlllllllll :D

When we can, we will run.....Star Rhynos.


YEAH, thank you dave. You are the shiz-nite! That will complete my almost totally "STAR" bag.
NOW, start working on STAR "beat-up" Rocs.

are there ANY plans to release more Super Rocs? (note: this is different from the "do you plan to run 2006 worlds super rocs" question ;))

Is a super roc fan limited to only the 2004/2005 Worlds runs, or were there other runs to try and hunt down?

discgolfvalues has x-out super rocs for 9.95

The Original Super Roc was made in the mid-90's (96?) and most were yellow. I think these were flatter than the 04/05's. The stamp looked like the old "Special Edition" stamp, the bar stamp. I saw one on ebay last week but I did not note the final price. Probably upwards of $40.

There was at least 2 previous Super Roc runs. The barstamp version says "Super Roc" ( most common )and the Proto barstamp version. I heard about a 3rd version, or possible test run, but have not seen it.

Dave,
do you know how many Star XD�s you have made?
Have you done any tweaking on the mold?

Dave,
do you know how many Star XD�s you have made?
Have you done any tweaking on the mold?



I think we only made 2000 Star XDs. There was some tweaking. It should have made it more wind resistant.

Dave-What does "SS" mean when marked on Proto TeeRex's?

"Star Something".
There was no name for the disc when it was manufactured. I think they should have kept the name, cause it would really #$*&$! others off when they saw you rip and drive then asked "what'd you throw", and you could reply "Something".

That's what I like about those J Bird Roc stamped Orc's.

Dave-What does "SS" mean when marked on Proto TeeRex's?



Most of our new discs have code designations until we figure out a name. That was the original designation. I believe it did stand for Star Something.

Hi Dave,
do you have an approx. release date for the DX Tee-Rex?
Do you know in which weight-range it will be available/*?
Are you ready with the stamp, can we have a look ;)

*/ My son is looking forward to this, a disc with a dinosaur on it is his big dream (4� years old)

Hi Dave,
do you have an approx. release date for the DX Tee-Rex?
Do you know in which weight-range it will be available/*?
Are you ready with the stamp, can we have a look ;)

*/ My son is looking forward to this, a disc with a dinosaur on it is his big dream (4� years old)



We ran a short run that is available to tournaments. The weight range is 150 gms to 175gm. We don't have any artwork yet. I would have loved to have it out already with a T-Rex holding a disc with his tiny little front legs, but it won't happen for a couple of months unfortunately.

Hi Dave,
do you have an approx. release date for the DX Tee-Rex?
Do you know in which weight-range it will be available/*?
Are you ready with the stamp, can we have a look ;)

*/ My son is looking forward to this, a disc with a dinosaur on it is his big dream (4� years old)



We ran a short run that is available to tournaments. The weight range is 150 gms to 175gm. We don't have any artwork yet. I would d to have it out already with a T-Rex holding a disc with his tiny little front legs, but it won't happen for a couple of months unfortunately.



No............have the TeeRex with Giant Arm's or legs..........like Godzilla !!!!!! :D

Dave-What does "SS" mean when marked on Proto TeeRex's?



Most of our new discs have code designations until we figure out a name. That was the original designation. I believe it did stand for Star Something.



No. Put one out with "Somethin" on top. Then, put a putter out with "Nothin". When you slam one home from 40', you can calmly pick up you disc and say........"That was nothin."

Dave- Is there anything stopping you from making some new 9x mold Aviars? Like, if Kenny wins Worlds this year, 12x Aviars in a 9x mold?

Dave, not a question but a WELL DONE! I got hold of one of the new DX Rocs today ... man, this thing is sweet! I love the new DX plastic! Great job! :D

I'll agree with da boneman. That new blend feels great, is durable, and can handle the nastiest michigan weather. Loving my spider.

I would like to vote for the godzilla (tm) style <font color="orange"> Dee-Rex </font>

Godzilla with Popeye style arms , throwing a TeeRex through buildings in Tokyo !!!! :D

Dave- Is there anything stopping you from making some new 9x mold Aviars? Like, if Kenny wins Worlds this year, 12x Aviars in a 9x mold?



There is nothing that prevents that configuration, but it would be called 12X or 13X depending. We are not likely to change the configuration at this time unless Kenny wanted a specific change.

Interesting so Ken picks the mold and approves the disc, that is cool.

Hi Dave,
do you have an approx. release date for the DX Tee-Rex?
Do you know in which weight-range it will be available/*?
Are you ready with the stamp, can we have a look ;)

*/ My son is looking forward to this, a disc with a dinosaur on it is his big dream (4� years old)



We ran a short run that is available to tournaments. The weight range is 150 gms to 175gm. We don't have any artwork yet. I would have loved to have it out already with a T-Rex holding a disc with his tiny little front legs, but it won't happen for a couple of months unfortunately.

If your artist needs a good model, I have one left over from the 2001 Lizard Doubles! We did ours using one of those full color stamping processes and the dinosaur was drawn by a professional paleontology illustrator.

Dave,
I was looking through my clubs latest order and they had 4 ch. starfire. 1 of them was in the original SF mold before they were retooled to the SX. i throw al three molds(SL,SF,SX) so i could easily compare. how many of these are still around or are yall still using the old mold?or did i just get lucky?

: ) :

Release date on the Star Leopards?

thanks

Dave,
I was looking through my clubs latest order and they had 4 ch. starfire. 1 of them was in the original SF mold before they were retooled to the SX. i throw al three molds(SL,SF,SX) so i could easily compare. how many of these are still around or are yall still using the old mold?or did i just get lucky?

: ) :



I didn't know we had any of the originals left. We only ran them once and it was a couple of years ago.

Release date on the Star Leopards?

thanks



No release date as yet. Probably later in the summer.

I've noticed that my 170G Star Wraith is more stable that my 175 Star Wraith. Is it because the added weight is in the thickness of the top and not the edge? Or just one of those things. The top is very stiff on the 175G (would make it a good forehand roller).

I've noticed that my 170G Star Wraith is more stable that my 175 Star Wraith. Is it because the added weight is in the thickness of the top and not the edge? Or just one of those things. The top is very stiff on the 175G (would make it a good forehand roller).



It is one of those things that actually could be what you suggested, but it could be other things too.

In flight and general profile the dx Wraith is remniscent of a faster, larger rimmed Valkyrie. I was wondering if you think it has a chance of beating the distance record?

In flight and general profile the dx Wraith is remniscent of a faster, larger rimmed Valkyrie. I was wondering if you think it has a chance of beating the distance record?



It has a good chance. Good speed and glide, plus it stays turned over for a long time when the nose is down. Especially the Pro and lighter DX.

I've noticed that my 170G Star Wraith is more stable that my 175 Star Wraith. Is it because the added weight is in the thickness of the top and not the edge? Or just one of those things. The top is very stiff on the 175G (would make it a good forehand roller).



It is one of those things that actually could be what you suggested, but it could be other things too.




:D Thats a good one.

Dave,

I just picked up two Stingrays at a local sporting goods establishment, and the rims are different. Has the mold been tweaked? One rim concaves in a little before the lip, and the other is smoother and thicker.

Dave,

Will you be running star Cobra's ?? Actully, my DREAM would be a KC Cobra!! Nothings better than STIFF Cobra! :eek:

Hey Dave
What do you think about these "newer" 11X KC Rocs, Do you think they feel anything like the Coveted San Marino Roc? do you think they will be heralded in 6 years as much as 8x and 9x and 10x etc...... actually I do not know if the 9/10x are that heralded but I like them. They are really stiff and a bit domey (the 11X).

I know I bought a 9x Roc out of a used box for 4 dollars in 2003 and now every one wants it cause it has rode in my bag for 4 years and is "aged" to a "high quality" flight characteristic. I think the 11X will be the same way. Do you throw them? Do "top" pro's stockpile them?

Dave,

I just picked up two Stingrays at a local sporting goods establishment, and the rims are different. Has the mold been tweaked? One rim concaves in a little before the lip, and the other is smoother and thicker.



There are two different Stingray molds. Ontario and San Marino, as it says on the engraving. The difference you are describing however, sounds like a molding variation of the same mold. The mold has not been tweaked.

Dave,

Will you be running star Cobra's ?? Actully, my DREAM would be a KC Cobra!! Nothings better than STIFF Cobra! :eek:



We will run Star Cobras at some point. It is not in the schedule yet.

Hey Dave
What do you think about these "newer" 11X KC Rocs, Do you think they feel anything like the Coveted San Marino Roc? do you think they will be heralded in 6 years as much as 8x and 9x and 10x etc...... actually I do not know if the 9/10x are that heralded but I like them. They are really stiff and a bit domey (the 11X).

I know I bought a 9x Roc out of a used box for 4 dollars in 2003 and now every one wants it cause it has rode in my bag for 4 years and is "aged" to a "high quality" flight characteristic. I think the 11X will be the same way. Do you throw them? Do "top" pro's stockpile them?



Unfortunately I do not throw Rocs, so these questions are probably better asked of the guys that do. I can tell you that the 11X are now the stable version made out of the original KC Pro Roc material.

Dave, could you elaborate a bit on the "original KC Roc material"? How is the other stuff different? Thanks

Are KC Aviars being run in that original material now also?

Hi Dave,

Id appreciate it if you came out with a Deer stamped disc. Apparently, they are pretty ticked off youve done about every animal and mythical creature, and they are now extracting revenge.
At around 8 am this morning a deer jumped through the plate glass window of our Pro Shop and thrashed about for awhile, leaving through the same window. Its a trip, and I added a thread about it to the misc. Just a warning, watch out, they arent happy.

Wasn't there an old Aero with Deer Brown Park stamp? Had a picture of a deer.

I think you're right - I remember that - it was Brown Deer Park and won the "hotstamp design of the year" once.

Had a WhiteTails stamp or Bucks Co. stamped Aviar once I got from Yeti. It had a deer on it.

Dave, could you elaborate a bit on the "original KC Roc material"? How is the other stuff different? Thanks



The KC Roc and KC Aviar material is a homogeneous plastic, rather than a mixture of different plastics. It is an engineering grade plastic not meant for injection molding and does not mix well with our DX plastic. We did mix it with a little plasticizer for one run to give it a little more tack, but that was not popular so we went back to the original.

Hey Dave i'd like one of those Pink Bubble Gum Aviars you have stashed in your closet.Any chance I could get one? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



AMEN!!!

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



THAT would be extremely s-u-h~w-e-e-t! :cool:

Hey Dave i'd like one of those Pink Bubble Gum Aviars you have stashed in your closet.Any chance I could get one? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Sorry, those are long gone.

Dave, what's on the Innova horizon? New drivers, mids, putters, plastics?

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I think the Rhyno is scheduled in two or three weeks. We have to run DX and Pro first. I don't think we can do a full run of Star, but we will do some.

Dave, what's on the Innova horizon? New drivers, mids, putters, plastics?



Mainly just getting a full line of the discs we have now. We do already have a driver TeeBird like Mini that has yet to be released. I am working on going back to the original Stingray and Cobra in the San Marino mold. We were unable to use the San Marino mold to do Star. I am trying to fix that. Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I think the Rhyno is scheduled in two or three weeks. We have to run DX and Pro first. I don't think we can do a full run of Star, but we will do some.


"Pro" Rhyno? :eek: I'm likely out of the loop as I don't recall Rhynos in this plastic...?

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



to me that describes the Coyote. how would the disc you describe differ?

any ETA on the Star Coyote? :eek: :D

Dave,
Can you pretty please with cherries on top bump up the run of Star Rhynos to like now? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I think the Rhyno is scheduled in two or three weeks. We have to run DX and Pro first. I don't think we can do a full run of Star, but we will do some.


"Pro" Rhyno? :eek: I'm likely out of the loop as I don't recall Rhynos in this plastic...?



They are often reffered to as the "soft" rhynos

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



So your working on a mold that will be a beat Roc right off the bat?

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



to me that describes the Coyote. how would the disc you describe differ?

any ETA on the Star Coyote? :eek: :D



I don't know for sure, but I think something with high resistance to turn and minimal low speed fade. My Coyote is understable and great for turnover and finesse shots, but the way it flips up from a hyzer release is not very consistent across even mild wind conditions.

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



to me that describes the Coyote. how would the disc you describe differ?

any ETA on the Star Coyote? :eek: :D



Star Coyote is up soon.

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



So your working on a mold that will be a beat Roc right off the bat?



Discspeed has it above. I am trying to make a mid that is stable at all speeds. Pretty much like an Aviar, but as long as a Roc. The Roc and Shark are pretty close, but are a little too low speed overstable compared to what I am looking to do.

Pro Rhynos are made of the same stuff that JK Pro Aviars are made of.

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



So your working on a mold that will be a beat Roc right off the bat?



Discspeed has it above. I am trying to make a mid that is stable at all speeds. Pretty much like an Aviar, but as long as a Roc. The Roc and Shark are pretty close, but are a little too low speed overstable compared to what I am looking to do.



That was the midrange i was looking for and thought i found first in the Aurora MS and then with the release of the Champion Coyote. i guess i'll stay tuned though and see what Innovative disc turns up next :D

Also, I am working on a stable, straight flying Mid Range disc. That is going to have to be pretty good to have a chance in the Mid Range market.



So your working on a mold that will be a beat Roc right off the bat?



Discspeed has it above. I am trying to make a mid that is stable at all speeds. Pretty much like an Aviar, but as long as a Roc. The Roc and Shark are pretty close, but are a little too low speed overstable compared to what I am looking to do.



That was the midrange i was looking for and thought i found first in the Aurora MS and then with the release of the Champion Coyote. i guess i'll stay tuned though and see what Innovative disc turns up next :D



The Coyote would be perfect if it could be thrown at high speed into a wind and have the same characteristic as a medium speed throw. The Roc is that way, but the characteristic is overstable.

for me -- the Glow Coyote comes close and the Star may too :D

but if you can work your magic and get a midrange even more like a longer Aviar than is the Coyote -- i am all for it :D

So whats the Goblin?

So whats the Goblin?



The Goblin is close. It needs more range to fit the bill, in my opinion.

Dave,

Will you be making a Big Bead Aviar in the Star plastic? If so when is the planned date of release? Thanks again. Keep'em coming.....

Josh

Dave,

Will you be making a Big Bead Aviar in the Star plastic? If so when is the planned date of release? Thanks again. Keep'em coming.....

Josh



We will eventually have a Star Aviar Driver (BB), but we don't have a date of release as yet. We will start running the BB soon, but we will be making JKs and KCs for a while.

We will eventually have a Star Aviar Driver (BB), but we don't have a date of release as yet. We will start running the BB soon, but we will be making JKs and KCs for a while.



Dave, what about the proline BB avairs? Are those still in production?

Will these newly run KC Aviars have the new stamp on them or will they still have the 11x?

No problem. I love the KC Aviars. Just wanted to see what a star would be like.

Josh

We will eventually have a Star Aviar Driver (BB), but we don't have a date of release as yet. We will start running the BB soon, but we will be making JKs and KCs for a while.



Dave, what about the proline BB avairs? Are those still in production?



No. Only Pros will be JK and KC

Will these newly run KC Aviars have the new stamp on them or will they still have the 11x?



I believe there is a new style stamp, but I am not sure if that was put on the last run or not.

Is that just for the KC's or also for the JK's? is it the stamp you once mentioned that would just say World Champion without specificly citing the number of titles?

Dave:

When will the new mini driver be released? I got to see the examples that Feldberg and Jenkins had at the Beaver State Fling this weekend, and now I want my own. :D

Any timeline for release? And what will you call it?

Thanks,

Erik

Hi Dave,
Will the whippet-x ever be re-released in champion or (fingers crossed) SB? I have a short stack of champion, but would love to see it in special blend. Thanks!

SPECIAL BLEND?IS THAT THE SAME AS STAR PLASTIC?
AND DAVE,ARE THE RIMS GETTING WIDER EVERY YEAR?I ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE WRAITH!

:( ARTHUR

BTW - The SB ORC I have is so freakin' sweeeeet! Keep up the good work!

Is that just for the KC's or also for the JK's? is it the stamp you once mentioned that would just say World Champion without specificly citing the number of titles?



Yes

Dave:

When will the new mini driver be released? I got to see the examples that Feldberg and Jenkins had at the Beaver State Fling this weekend, and now I want my own. :D

Any timeline for release? And what will you call it?

Thanks,

Erik



I don't know when the release is. The DX are already made so I imagine they are available for tournaments now. Mini TeeDrivers or Mini TeeBirds or Mini Tees are the names we are using.

Hi Dave,
Will the whippet-x ever be re-released in champion or (fingers crossed) SB? I have a short stack of champion, but would love to see it in special blend. Thanks!

SPECIAL BLEND?IS THAT THE SAME AS STAR PLASTIC?
AND DAVE,ARE THE RIMS GETTING WIDER EVERY YEAR?I ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE WRAITH!

:( ARTHUR

BTW - The SB ORC I have is so freakin' sweeeeet! Keep up the good work!





If we run the Whippet X, it will be in Star, but it will only be available through tournaments. We have no date set to run them yet.

Mini Driver? Good Will Hunting?

Does the mini driver fly way farther than regular minis? Will it be legal for use in mini golf at worlds and such? You might need to make a Firebird mini for those big arms.. :D

Dave, good news about the mini driver!!! Will there be metal or STAR versions available?

Hi Dave,
Will the whippet-x ever be re-released in champion or (fingers crossed) SB? I have a short stack of champion, but would love to see it in special blend. Thanks!

:( ARTHUR





If we run the Whippet X, it will be in Star, but it will only be available through tournaments. We have no date set to run them yet.



What's the difference between the RAM and the whippet standard or X? I've got alot more glide with my ram than a whippet with the same flight characteristics that make it the overstable pig they are designed to be. Come on, Dave...the public can handle a Star Ram vs a Star Whippet. All you need to tell them is they are very close for their use.



Does the mini driver fly way farther than regular minis? Will it be legal for use in mini golf at worlds and such? You might need to make a Firebird mini for those big arms..





Yea!!!! :cool: Big arms make little discs look miniscule. You should see me play a ukelale. :D

Mini Driver? Good Will Hunting?

Does the mini driver fly way farther than regular minis? Will it be legal for use in mini golf at worlds and such? You might need to make a Firebird mini for those big arms.. :D



I don't know if there are regulations for minis. Our driver will be the same 4" diameter as our other minis.

We haven't done a lot of testing but it does fly significantly farther than our other minis. My guess is about 20% farther.

Dave, good news about the mini driver!!! Will there be metal or STAR versions available?



Eventually we will make Star Mini Drivers, but the first try didn't run well.

Women's version could be called the Minnie Driver...

I want some!

Replica mini's of full size discs !!!!!!

Mini -Me's !!!!!

is there a timeline for star gators and leopards? thanks

is there a timeline for star gators and leopards? thanks



No, not yet.

Hey Dave what are you currently running this week? Anything new?

Hey Dave what are you currently running this week? Anything new?



Star Monsters is all that's new. I think we have done Star Firebirds before, but maybe not. Star Coyotes are done. Beasts, Aviars, Eagles, Valyries, Sharks, Wraiths, and Pulsars are running too. Rhynos and BB Aviars are in tomorrow or Friday.

MonsterMonsterMonsterMonsterMonster!!!

Yays!

Any prospects of having a STAR RHYNO??? What month would they come out?

DAVE are you running STAR pulsars????

HOLY CRAP! I want 3 dozen! where can I get some with a stamp on them? put some aside... would you PM me if this is true

OMG... so excited! :D

Any prospects of having a STAR RHYNO??? What month would they come out?



Yes, but probably not a full run. They will most likely go into the tournament only group. If we do them, I think they would be ready by July.

DAVE are you running STAR pulsars????

HOLY CRAP! I want 3 dozen! where can I get some with a stamp on them? put some aside... would you PM me if this is true

OMG... so excited! :D



The only Stars were the first couple of discs mentioned. The Pulsars are regular Pulsars. Star Pulsars would not only be very difficult to make, but would weigh over 260 gms.

any planned time on when star eagles and sharks will be run?

: ) :

Dave, how do the STAR XDs fly?

any planned time on when star eagles and sharks will be run?

: ) :



No planned time as yet, but as soon as we can.

Dave, how do the STAR XDs fly?



They are fairly straight flyers. I imagine the Marshall Street folks can give you a more complete assessment. I only had a few throws with it.

Star Coyotes are done.



beautiful! :D thank you!
have you thrown them yet? if so, how did they fly compared to their Champion counterparts? more high speed stable? more fade?

Star Coyotes are done.



beautiful! :D thank you!
have you thrown them yet? if so, how did they fly compared to their Champion counterparts? more high speed stable? more fade?


Maybe a little more high speed stable, but mostly the same. The main difference for me is the feel of the plastic. Better grip.

Hey Dave what are you currently running this week? Anything new?



The Star Goblin took the place of the Coyote now. Currently we are running 150 class. We will start heavy Stars next week. I am really happy with the 150 Star Goblins.

are there plans for dx roadrunners and sidewinders? thx again

are there plans for dx roadrunners and sidewinders? thx again



Yes, but probably not until fall.

Will Star Roadrunners make the to-do list, and if so -- when might you guess they'll be available?
Also, will Star Orcs be made soon after AM Worlds or will they stay on the backburner for a while? http://www.cincinnatidiscgolf.com/forum/images/eyebrow.gif

thanks for your time.

Will Star Roadrunners make the to-do list, and if so -- when might you guess they'll be available?
Also, will Star Orcs be made soon after AM Worlds or will they stay on the backburner for a while? http://www.cincinnatidiscgolf.com/forum/images/eyebrow.gif

thanks for your time.



Both are on the "to do" list. The Orc is probably first and will be run within a month, but not released until after the Am Worlds. Star Roadrunner will be available sometime this summer, I hope.

BB Aviars are in tomorrow or Friday.

Cool !!!! :D

Why are people from Innova, Gateway, and Revolution in charge of things all named Dave? Is this meant to confuse the world and create a general sense of panic so that disc golf can one day rule with an iron fist?

hi Dave--- which is less stable [more understable], the dx valk or the new mold dx beast? how would these compare the the champ roadrunner, thanks

hi Dave--- which is less stable [more understable], the dx valk or the new mold dx beast? how would these compare the the champ roadrunner, thanks



I think these all would have a similar turn initially. Both the DX discs might be a tad more high speed stable brand new, but would catch the Ch Roadrunner after a bit of use. Of course, with more use the DX discs would continue to turn more and more.

Hi Dave,

I was curious why Ive been seeing Champion Rhynos with the DX Stamp? I thought I had seen some before, then found out a friend had one as well.

On Chase's topic, I would like to see more Champ and Star plastic stamped with the respective DX stamp. Especially the the old Teebird stamp that looks like Sam the Eagle?
http://www.aboyd.com/images/ss8006.jpg

Yeah I am also all about DX stamps on Clear champion or any Star Plastic..
The Dyed Rhynos that I saw at worlds last year were amazing and I would love a DX Gremlin Stamped STar Gremlin :)

-Scott Lewis

Hey Dave , I had just seen a Aviar and Roc stamp Tee-shirt's.

Are these new designs and any more scheduled ?

Hi Dave,

I was curious why Ive been seeing Champion Rhynos with the DX Stamp? I thought I had seen some before, then found out a friend had one as well.



I am not sure where these came from. Sometimes they are X outs, but otherwise, I don't know.

I've seen lots of Champ Rhynos with the DX stamp around Michigan that are not X-outs. Most are dyed.

I've seen a good number of these Rhynos -- both people using them and for sale. At the 2005 Worlds, we had at least a dozen when we were selling at Little Lehigh during the finals. The ones I've seen haven't been X-outs, and they've all been dyed.

On Chase's topic, I would like to see more Champ and Star plastic stamped with the respective DX stamp. Especially the the old Teebird stamp that looks like Sam the Eagle?
http://www.aboyd.com/images/ss8006.jpg





Agreed.

I've seen a good number of these Rhynos -- both people using them and for sale. At the 2005 Worlds, we had at least a dozen when we were selling at Little Lehigh during the finals. The ones I've seen haven't been X-outs, and they've all been dyed.





Yes, all I have seen have been I-Dyed as well.

Can't wait for Star Whippets !!!!!

They are dyed but the Champ Rhynos with a solid swirl color are stiff and more stable the others that are clear are not as stiff and as stable, at least I think so.

on the subject of stamps, i think the mini-star stamps rule. i'd like to see all candy discs made with them with the addition of the name of the disc above and/or below the ministar (or incorporated into the ministar, or repeated and encircling the mini-star).

my half cent ...

on the subject of stamps, i think the mini-star stamps rule. i'd like to see all candy discs made with them with the addition of the name of the disc above and/or below the ministar (or incorporated into the ministar, or repeated and encircling the mini-star).

my half cent ...



I agree i like the mini star stamp also :D:cool:

Then you should see our Dave Dunipace approved custom star stamp. If I werent computer stupid, Id post a picture.


Hi Dave,

Does Innova still produce the Jaguar?

Dave,

Have you any information on the JK PRO Aviar-X (three time)?

Such as how many were made, if this was a special plastic, anything?

Then you should see our Dave Dunipace approved custom star stamp. If I werent computer stupid, Id post a picture.


Hi Dave,

Does Innova still produce the Jaguar?



Yes, we occasionally run Jaguars up to 200 gms.

So Dave, regarding those mini-teebird mini's... Can I order some (50? 100?) printed with a design for my bachelor party/mini tournament in July? Should I get on the phone with someone? I've never ordered custom anything from Innova before, so what's the first step?

yeah I'll second that

So Dave, regarding those mini-teebird mini's... Can I order some (50? 100?) printed with a design for my bachelor party/mini tournament in July? Should I get on the phone with someone? I've never ordered custom anything from Innova before, so what's the first step?



You can call the East or West Coast depending on where you live. The link below gives info and phone numbers. There is a few weeks lead time, especially this time of year.

Dave,

Have you any information on the JK PRO Aviar-X (three time)?

Such as how many were made, if this was a special plastic, anything?



I am not sure how big the runs were, but I would guess a minimum of 5000. The plastic has always been a special tough/soft/grippy plastic, but if you mean different from now, I am not sure. It could have had constituent ingredients from a different manufacturer than we use now, but it is basically the same stuff. We now use one extra ingredient to mitigate against the flight plate sink that sometimes happens with putters.

3x - nice and floppy
early 4x - stiff like a KC Aviar
late 4x - soft like a 3x

3x - nice and floppy
early 4x - stiff like a KC Aviar
late 4x - soft like a 3x



3x: soft with a certain rigidity in the softness
4x (1st run) too stiff not really a JK Aviar
4x (2nd run) very soft and floppy (more so than 3x's)
5x not quite so floppy as above but a little more so than 3x's

ymmv

My experience is a bit different. My 3x's are hyper-soft & floppy with a little bit of texture, while 4x's & 5x's are smoother & stiffer. Except, of course, for my 150g 4x, which is melt-in-your-mouth rubber.

Does anyone have a phone number for Innova East (that is NOT a 1-800 number)?

A friend of mine needs to place an order, but is out of the country right now. As such, the 1-800 exchange will not work for the international call. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Does anyone have a phone number for Innova East (that is NOT a 1-800 number)?

A friend of mine needs to place an order, but is out of the country right now. As such, the 1-800 exchange will not work for the international call. Any help would be greatly appreciated!



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dave can you tell me if the new star xds are domey like the current dx or did they flatten out like the plastic that came out of the ontario mold?

thanks in advance

dave can you tell me if the new star xds are domey like the current dx or did they flatten out like the plastic that came out of the ontario mold?

thanks in advance



Sorry, I don't remember anything paticularly domey or flat. The Marshall Street guys can probably give you more information.

Star Eagle?

Star Eagle?



Star Eagles have been pushed back due to scheduling problems. Possibly we can do them in a Month or so when the Eagle comes back in. I think the Star version will be the X type when we run them.

Will there be any release of a gummy version of the shark or any other speed 2-3 discs.

and

Will there be a star version of the Viking?

Will there be any release of a gummy version of the shark or any other speed 2-3 discs.

and

Will there be a star version of the Viking?



I can't think of anything we are going to make in gummy plastic in those catagories right now except for the Rhyno. Yes, there will be a Star Viking, but I don't know if it will be main stream or for tournaments, and I don't know when, at this time.

Dave. Are your machines grinding out the Sirius Orion Fade (SOF)? I picked one up with the World's Biggest stamp and I kinda like it. Being a noodle arm, I have to throw it anny (S shot), but it is controllable and going farther than my beloved Sidewinder(s).

Anyway. If you are cranking these out, is the SOS (straight) out there anywhere?

Star Eagle?



Star Eagles have been pushed back due to scheduling problems. Possibly we can do them in a Month or so when the Eagle comes back in. I think the Star version will be the X type when we run them.




Hi Dave.

When you do make Star Eagles, will you post something cool like:

The Star Eagle has landed. ?

Dave. Are your machines grinding out the Sirius Orion Fade (SOF)? I picked one up with the World's Biggest stamp and I kinda like it. Being a noodle arm, I have to throw it anny (S shot), but it is controllable and going farther than my beloved Sidewinder(s).

Anyway. If you are cranking these out, is the SOS (straight) out there anywhere?



Rod,

I got a hold of a couple first run SOLS and they flew identical to the SOLF. :confused: I don't know what happened, but they took the SOLS off the buy list. I hope the come out with a SOLS that isn't just like the SOLF.

Ray

Dave. Are your machines grinding out the Sirius Orion Fade (SOF)? I picked one up with the World's Biggest stamp and I kinda like it. Being a noodle arm, I have to throw it anny (S shot), but it is controllable and going farther than my beloved Sidewinder(s).

Anyway. If you are cranking these out, is the SOS (straight) out there anywhere?



Rod,

I got a hold of a couple first run SOLS and they flew identical to the SOLF. :confused: I don't know what happened, but they took the SOLS off the buy list. I hope the come out with a SOLS that isn't just like the SOLF.

Ray



We have run SOFs SOSs and we just ran SOLSs. The SOFs and SOSs did fly similarly, but if you had enough power, or were throwing into the wind, you would notice a little high speed turn in the SOS. The latest run of SOLSs have a little bit more turn, but the difference between the two isn't much. Any turning disc will turn variably depending on nose angle upon release and relative wind velocity (cross wind, head wind, tail wind). That is why most pros use stable discs, as they are not as variable. The Orion LF is a pro type disc with very little variability. It is probably the best 150 class long range driver in high durability plastic, for sure, and maybe any plastic. IMO. I got to throw and test both the SOLS and SOS. Both had their merits, but I liked the SOS better and it seemed a little longer and was moldable in 150 classs. The SOLS was probably a little better for long turnovers. YMMV

1. thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions. I hit this thread everyday.

2. Star monsters. Pressing well? Any timeframe for release?

3. Any talk of champ T-rex?

thanks again.

1. thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions. I hit this thread everyday.

2. Star monsters. Pressing well? Any timeframe for release?

3. Any talk of champ T-rex?

thanks again.



The Star Monsters have just been completed. I assume we need two weeks to stamp and ship before release. There is no confirmed date yet.

I think a Champion TeeRex is going to happen but it is not scheduled yet.

dave can you tell me if the new star xds are domey like the current dx or did they flatten out like the plastic that came out of the ontario mold?

thanks in advance



Sorry, I don't remember anything paticularly domey or flat. The Marshall Street guys can probably give you more information.



We've already received the full-color Star XDs, and they're very flat on top. We'll be getting the regular fundraiser Star XDs any day now, and we are very psyched. I imagine they'll be flat, too, and will confirm when they arrive.

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Here's an odd one that happened today. Customer calls to inquire about our stock of DX Panthers (we have a bunch), and he says the colored ones smell. Okay, so we smell them. And they DO smell, not bad or anything, but they have a distinctive everyday smell we all can't recognize -- like a new car smell just not, something different.

Then it dawns on us. The colored DX Panthers in the batch we have smell like old-style toner. Back in grammar school when the teacher hands out a freshly printed test or handout, and all the pupils immediately smell them.

Our Panthers smell like that. We performed the sniff test on dozens of other kinds of discs, including older DX stuff, and no other disc we tested had the same smell, or much of any smell as far as we could tell.

And no I'm not kidding or making it up.

:D:D:D

I can just picture that........"Hey, can you smell this for me?" :o

Now I had to go ona search for the mimeograph process to see what it was that made the odor us older students remember so fondly. It looks like it wasn't mimeography that produced the odors at after all. Mimeogrpahy was supposedly not smelly. The compeptitive copier was the one responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_duplicator

I remember seeing something a while back about a few of the Innova bags coming apart at the seam where you'd attach a set of shoulder straps. I've got one of the tour bags (the big one), maybe had it 9 months, with only 3-4 months of that time seeing any use, and the seam right where the plastic attachment is for a carbiner and straps came apart halfway through my first round on the second day of the St. Louis Open. I've got it jimmy-rigged for now, but didn't know if there was any way I could fix the seam or if I'm gonna be in the market for a new bag. Thanks

dave can you tell me if the new star xds are domey like the current dx or did they flatten out like the plastic that came out of the ontario mold?

thanks in advance



Sorry, I don't remember anything paticularly domey or flat. The Marshall Street guys can probably give you more information.



We've already received the full-color Star XDs, and they're very flat on top. We'll be getting the regular fundraiser Star XDs any day now, and we are very psyched. I imagine they'll be flat, too, and will confirm when they arrive.

************************************************** ********

Here's an odd one that happened today. Customer calls to inquire about our stock of DX Panthers (we have a bunch), and he says the colored ones smell. Okay, so we smell them. And they DO smell, not bad or anything, but they have a distinctive everyday smell we all can't recognize -- like a new car smell just not, something different.

Then it dawns on us. The colored DX Panthers in the batch we have smell like old-style toner. Back in grammar school when the teacher hands out a freshly printed test or handout, and all the pupils immediately smell them.

Our Panthers smell like that. We performed the sniff test on dozens of other kinds of discs, including older DX stuff, and no other disc we tested had the same smell, or much of any smell as far as we could tell.

And no I'm not kidding or making it up.



Do they have like a Crayola Crayon smell ?
I have some Aviars like that.

I remember seeing something a while back about a few of the Innova bags coming apart at the seam where you'd attach a set of shoulder straps. I've got one of the tour bags (the big one), maybe had it 9 months, with only 3-4 months of that time seeing any use, and the seam right where the plastic attachment is for a carbiner and straps came apart halfway through my first round on the second day of the St. Louis Open. I've got it jimmy-rigged for now, but didn't know if there was any way I could fix the seam or if I'm gonna be in the market for a new bag. Thanks



You need to call either our west coast or east coast office and let them know what happened so they can take care of you. I think you are in the east coast area.

Sounds like a new mini-event for the MSDGC - blindfolded disc smell test. May the best nose win!

Hey Dave how do the new Star coyote's fly?

I found the Dx ones to be quite a bit less understable than the champion.

The Champion ones flipped for me, but the Dx ones (the domey ones) are dead straight.

Ok thanks

Dave
Please tell me about this run of aviars. They are big bead, certainly larger bead than
the aviar putter but I think they were a single run of a trial plastic mix.
The only ones I saw were this shade of blue. Flat top. Basic stamp.
I'm guessing 6 years ago + -
Thanks
http://www.geocities.com/foshildgc/special_aviar.JPG

Hey Dave how do the new Star coyote's fly?

I found the Dx ones to be quite a bit less understable than the champion.

The Champion ones flipped for me, but the Dx ones (the domey ones) are dead straight.

Ok thanks



I think the Star Coyotes are slightly more stable than the Champion, but that is only on average as there are variances. The DX starts more stable and beats to a turning disc.

Dave
Please tell me about this run of aviars. They are big bead, certainly larger bead than
the aviar putter but I think they were a single run of a trial plastic mix.
The only ones I saw were this shade of blue. Flat top. Basic stamp.
I'm guessing 6 years ago + -
Thanks
http://www.geocities.com/foshildgc/special_aviar.JPG



I can't tell by the photo but it is some type of driver Aviar. It might be the first true driver Aviar with the slight retool. I would need to hold it to tell for sure.

I seen a white with blue stamp this weekend. The plastic is softer than KC, more like DX. They feel similar to the JK Protos.

They are pretty sick.

I have a few of these aviars. They are JK Protos. same mold as the current JK's but rigid and grippy!! :D

Stamp on all of my proto JKs is different. Same design, but with wording "Pro Line" on the rim of the disc where the blue Aviar says "Champion Discs" and "JK Aviar X" below where the blue Aviar says "The Choice of Champions for Disc Golf".

Proto JK's make the timeline seem about right. Bead is very similar size to current JK. Stiff but grippy is right on. Maybe too fragile, one of them has 4 little scuff/gouges just under bead but never thrown. Maybe dropped once?

I was at a tourny several months ago and was bs-ing about super soft putters. he showed me this proto avair he had, it had a real stiff rim but was soft and grippy. it felt and threw just like a ss but didn't seem like it would become useless in hot/cold or when it slams into a tree real hard. basically it was exactly what i had been looking for. what was the deal with these?

Also, Are you planning on releasing any more star rocs for any other tourny?

If not is there anyway to get some besides zone driven or ebay?

I was at a tourny several months ago and was bs-ing about super soft putters. he showed me this proto avair he had, it had a real stiff rim but was soft and grippy. it felt and threw just like a ss but didn't seem like it would become useless in hot/cold or when it slams into a tree real hard. basically it was exactly what i had been looking for. what was the deal with these?



I don't know what a "Proto Aviar" is. If you mean "beadless", it could be the new beadless putter.

Also, Are you planning on releasing any more star rocs for any other tourny?

If not is there anyway to get some besides zone driven or ebay?



The Star Rocs are for USDGC only, unless they are 150 class, then they are for the Japan Open. The only other way to get one, is to go to the USDGC, and get one of the first early release Rocs.

I have a few of these aviars. They are JK Protos. same mold as the current JK's but rigid and grippy!! :D



The stamp on the one in the picture was discontinued before the Proto JK..I think.

Dave?

Hey Dave I was wondering did you make 2 different mold for the Champion Starfires? All the ones that I have trown are clear and not real stable in to the wind but there are a few that my friends throw that have the swirl solid color witch reminds me of SFX that I have thrown a few times which was real stable.

Hey Dave I was wondering did you make 2 different mold for the Champion Starfires? All the ones that I have trown are clear and not real stable in to the wind but there are a few that my friends throw that have the swirl solid color witch reminds me of SFX that I have thrown a few times which was real stable.



There are L's and X's it will sasy on the bottom of your disc. X's are definitly way better in the wind.

but don't Pro Starfires (which are actually SL's) say SF on the bottom?

but don't Pro Starfires (which are actually SL's) say SF on the bottom?



Yea if i remember correctly they do, i sold mine to my friend cause the SOLF's are superior to all the wide rim new drivers....IMO

dave i remember some several threads ack talking about the affect color has on discs, the cooling process or something like that. Could you restate that, i got tired of looking for it? also which colors are considered light or dark; there are some i could see go either way? also what about the light purples or blues and dark yellows? thanks

"L" means leopard bottom right? :eek:

I have a few of these aviars. They are JK Protos. same mold as the current JK's but rigid and grippy!! :D



The stamp on the one in the picture was discontinued before the Proto JK..I think.

Dave?



Not sure

I have a few of these aviars. They are JK Protos. same mold as the current JK's but rigid and grippy!! :D



The stamp on the one in the picture was discontinued before the Proto JK..I think.

Dave?



Time frame seems OK but nothing definitive yet. Very close description. I would be glad to send one to Dave or maybe make a trip to Augusta in August to put one in definitive hands.

Hey Dave I was wondering did you make 2 different mold for the Champion Starfires? All the ones that I have trown are clear and not real stable in to the wind but there are a few that my friends throw that have the swirl solid color witch reminds me of SFX that I have thrown a few times which was real stable.



We make two types of Starfires. The Pro Starfire and SL are L versions. The Star Starfire and Champion Starfire are X versions. The original Champion type Starfire wasn't as stable as the current model. We don't make that type any more.

dave i remember some several threads ack talking about the affect color has on discs, the cooling process or something like that. Could you restate that, i got tired of looking for it? also which colors are considered light or dark; there are some i could see go either way? also what about the light purples or blues and dark yellows? thanks



I have heard many times how different colors fly differently, but I don't know which colors do which, or if it is a consistent thing. From my own experience, it seems to change from color to color, but also from run to run.

I have a few of these aviars. They are JK Protos. same mold as the current JK's but rigid and grippy!! :D



The stamp on the one in the picture was discontinued before the Proto JK..I think.

Dave?



Time frame seems OK but nothing definitive yet. Very close description. I would be glad to send one to Dave or maybe make a trip to Augusta in August to put one in definitive hands.



I could tell you which model it is, and what type of plastic, but not necessarily why it has that stamp.

looks like a sweet Proto JK to me. ;) the ones i have are stamped the same but are white.

I was at a tourny several months ago and was bs-ing about super soft putters. he showed me this proto avair he had, it had a real stiff rim but was soft and grippy. it felt and threw just like a ss but didn't seem like it would become useless in hot/cold or when it slams into a tree real hard. basically it was exactly what i had been looking for. what was the deal with these?



I don't know what a "Proto Aviar" is. If you mean "beadless", it could be the new beadless putter.



New beadless putter? :confused: Dave?

I'm darn sure that the new DX Aviar is the beadless mold, same as the star aviar.
Dave- will you not be making any more dx small bead?

Hi Dave. I've been having a lot of fun throwing a couple of CH Eagle L discs I got from Mike Barnett at sunkingdisc.
Is there any chance that this mold might be run again? CH or Star ... doesn't matter to me ... this is a sweet mold. It's done wonders for my game.
I haven't been able to find anymore anywhere. :(

I'm darn sure that the new DX Aviar is the beadless mold, same as the star aviar.
Dave- will you not be making any more dx small bead?



The new beadless will be the standard, and will take the place of the small bead.

Hi Dave. I've been having a lot of fun throwing a couple of CH Eagle L discs I got from Mike Barnett at sunkingdisc.
Is there any chance that this mold might be run again? CH or Star ... doesn't matter to me ... this is a sweet mold. It's done wonders for my game.
I haven't been able to find anymore anywhere. :(



The Eagle was originally in the L form. It got switched later to the x form. All of the new Eagles are back to the original L form. If we do more Xes, they will be special runs for tournaments.

looks like a sweet Proto JK to me. ;) the ones i have are stamped the same but are white.



How many JK Protos are there?

The ones I have feature the Innova barstamp logo, saying Pro Line in the middle, then JK Aviar X underneath. It has the more recent barstamp logo.

I have three with the barstamp... VERY nice...


disc golf values has them @ 175 for 18 I think.

So classic aviars are now beadless? Why?

Dave,
Will the new beadless Aviar's also be San Marino molds? If so, is there a way to identify an original beadless to the new beadless? I hope this doesn't affect the value of my original beadless Aviar's.

Thx, Rob

that's what happens when you buy discs for resale not for throwing.

It's a gamble.

Dave,
Will the new beadless Aviar's also be San Marino molds? If so, is there a way to identify an original beadless to the new beadless? I hope this doesn't affect the value of my original beadless Aviar's.

Thx, Rob


The new beadless mold is a more faithful reproduction of the original Aviar, however you can tell the difference. The bottom of the old type was sharp, the new type is more rounded.

Dave,
Will the new beadless Aviar's also be San Marino molds? If so, is there a way to identify an original beadless to the new beadless? I hope this doesn't affect the value of my original beadless Aviar's.

Thx, Rob


The new beadless mold is a more faithful reproduction of the original Aviar, however you can tell the difference. The bottom of the old type was sharp, the new type is more rounded.



That sounds Great Dave. The rounded rim is alot easier on the grip and release.
Thanks !!!!

Dave,
Will the new beadless Aviar's also be San Marino molds? If so, is there a way to identify an original beadless to the new beadless? I hope this doesn't affect the value of my original beadless Aviar's.

Thx, Rob


The new beadless mold is a more faithful reproduction of the original Aviar, however you can tell the difference. The bottom of the old type was sharp, the new type is more rounded.



That sounds Great Dave. The rounded rim is alot easier on the grip and release.
Thanks !!!!



So what will be the difference between these new aviars and a Omega? IIRC Omegas don't have a bead either....

Dave,
Will the new beadless Aviar's also be San Marino molds? If so, is there a way to identify an original beadless to the new beadless? I hope this doesn't affect the value of my original beadless Aviar's.

Thx, Rob


The new beadless mold is a more faithful reproduction of the original Aviar, however you can tell the difference. The bottom of the old type was sharp, the new type is more rounded.



That sounds Great Dave. The rounded rim is alot easier on the grip and release.
Thanks !!!!



So what will be the difference between these new aviars and a Omega? IIRC Omegas don't have a bead either....



All Omegas should have a small bead.

Dave,

Will Champion Aviars switch to the no bead mold like the Star Aviars?

Hey Dave. First off, I have to thank you for all of your time and effort it making discs that improve peoples game and the way that it is played. I had a question about big bead aviars. Will they ever go back into production, or will they only be made in KC plastic?

Dave! Please tell me that you are not coming out with any new driver discs! I shaved 4 strokes off my game with the wraith and another 2 with the Tee-Rex. I just got done switching to all wraiths when the Tee-Rex came out, and now im switching to all Tee-Rexs. If you have a new driver in the works, let me know, and I'll hold off.

Also, why do throw art DX discs seem like harder plastic and what does DX stand for? Anything?

I dunno about the throw art... but I think originally the Dx meant Deluxe

I dunno about the throw art... but I think originally the Dx meant Deluxe

I use throw art strickly for rollers. I know discs are suppose to fly, but if it is not suppose to roll, dont make them circular. LOL. For some reason Throw Art discs are just as stiff as Star Plastic in 175 weight. Only difference is that the Throw Art stands up alot slower than the Star plastic does. Seems like the Throw Art plastic is more durable than the DX as well. Just thinking that some Tee-Rex in throw art plastic would be hella nice.

DX meant Deluxe?

Deluxe to what? :D

That is how rumors get started. Im waiting for Dave D to set me straight.

The company name of John Dorn, the disc artist, is Throwing Art. Is that what you're referring to is discs hotstamped with JD's throwing artwork?

Sure, why not. http://www.innovadiscs.com/downloads/fullcolor_flyer06.jpg
I just know that these are the pics that I see on them. Good stiff hard DX plastic.

Dave,

Will Champion Aviars switch to the no bead mold like the Star Aviars?


champion　is not going　to be available for a while, and we have not decided as yet.

Hey Dave. First off, I have to thank you for all of your time and effort it making discs that improve peoples game and the way that it is played. I had a question about big bead aviars. Will they ever go back into production, or will they only be made in KC plastic?




Big Beads are being made now in KC and JK. We have no plans to make it in any other plastic yet. That could change.

Dave! Please tell me that you are not coming out with any new driver discs! I shaved 4 strokes off my game with the wraith and another 2 with the Tee-Rex. I just got done switching to all wraiths when the Tee-Rex came out, and now im switching to all Tee-Rexs. If you have a new driver in the works, let me know, and I'll hold off.

Also, why do throw art DX discs seem like harder plastic and what does DX stand for? Anything?




We are not releasing any new drivers soon. Unless you count the TeeRex X in limited quantity.

DX is deluxe.

The process of throw art is done on the east coast. I am not familiar with the process, but I think it might make the plastic a little more rigid.

I am replying from Japan right now, so my replies might be delayed at times. The Japanese keyboard is killing me.

Dave,

I thought you mentioned to me that you will be producing Big Bead Star Aviars? You said it would probably late in line though.

Has that changed?

Josh

The Japanese keyboard is killing me.




Ah so, metric...

I am replying from Japan right now, so my replies might be delayed at times. The Japanese keyboard is killing me.



:eek: :D :D:p

are the ceilings lower over there too?

Does he realize that chopsticks are for eating with, not typing on the keyboard?

And no matter what people say or do, Saki shots between rounds is not a smart thing to do. That is a whole different kind of drunk and hangover all together.

P.S. I wanna Tee-Rex X..... and please confirm the rumors that the Star Eagle, when ever they appear on shelves, will be back in the X mold as well.

Hi Dave. I've been having a lot of fun throwing a couple of CH Eagle L discs I got from Mike Barnett at sunkingdisc.
Is there any chance that this mold might be run again? CH or Star ... doesn't matter to me ... this is a sweet mold. It's done wonders for my game.
I haven't been able to find anymore anywhere. :(



The Eagle was originally in the L form. It got switched later to the x form. All of the new Eagles are back to the original L form. If we do more Xes, they will be special runs for tournaments.



The response was straight from Dave.

wonder when he posted that? I just found this post...

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Star Eagles have been pushed back due to scheduling problems. Possibly we can do them in a Month or so when the Eagle comes back in. I think the Star version will be the X type when we run them.
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I pray that they are the X mold. I flip eagle-Ls like sidewinders. No stability and all roll.

Dave, any news on that new midrange you are working on?

Good luck in Japan :cool:!

Dave,

Will Champion Aviars switch to the no bead mold like the Star Aviars?


champion　is not going　to be available for a while, and we have not decided as yet.



Does this mean you aren't running any discs in champion plastic for a while or just not Aviars?

Thanks,
Lou

Dave,

You've probably already answered this question but, is there any plan to make Star Vikings?

Second question,

This isn't the right thread, but as a long time proponent of the bent elbow technique, how do you line up your drives? With the reach back (what I use) I line up by reaching back along the line I'm throwing down. If I recall correctly, your emphasis is on the hit, that is you make sure the disc is on line at the hit. Is that visual, or is it a mental postion you've laid out earlier in the throw?

Dave,
I stopped by a local DG vendor and saw something odd. There were 2 "Star TEE-REX"s and 4 "STAR TEEREX"s. Why do some have a hyphen and some not? Are some 1st runs, and some later runs? Also, which came 1st? Which is the newest stamp? Why was it changed?
Thanks.

Dave,

I thought you mentioned to me that you will be producing Big Bead Star Aviars? You said it would probably late in line though.

Has that changed?

Josh




If we do Big Bead in anything other than KC & JK, it will be Star. After we did the Star Aviar P & A, we didnt see the urgency to do the Star Big Bead right away, especially considering the molding schedule.