Smitty2004
Jan 25 2006, 11:29 PM
Dave-
I have heard that Walt Haney and Larry Leonard dropped their Innova sponsorship. Something about being dropped from team champion.
Is their any truth to this?
Furthur
Jan 26 2006, 01:36 AM
What mold is the glow roc from last year?
Semi truck.
davei
Jan 26 2006, 09:18 AM
First off I love the star plastic, but that has nothing to do with my question. I have a friend who loves to throw "cloudy" red champion cobras. He has a hard time finding these and I can't help but notice how similar the plastic looks and feels like my CE Teebird. So I guess my question is did innova ever make CE cobras and if so is the stamp different? The ones he throws have the same stamp they use now. Thanks Dave in advance.
As far as I can remember, we have only run Champion Cobras once or twice and I believe they were the same. Sorry, I can't be more specific. Your friend might want to try the Star Stingrays as a substitute.
davei
Jan 26 2006, 09:26 AM
Also, can next years USDGC roc's be a different mold? The ontario mold is my least favorite (too understable). Just wondering if you have plans for next year or is it already set in stone.
If you are talking about the Rocs that were released at the USDGC, they were Ontario SB. All other USDGC Rocs are Rancho, and are stable to overstable. The Glo Rocs are among the most overstable of the Ranchos. If you are asking about next year's early tournament release, we haven't made a decision yet.
davei
Jan 26 2006, 09:30 AM
Also, can next years USDGC roc's be a different mold? The ontario mold is my least favorite (too understable). Just wondering if you have plans for next year or is it already set in stone.
Of the Rocs being released this year. (February I think.) One quarter will be Ontario type SB.
davei
Jan 26 2006, 09:41 AM
Dave-
I have heard that Walt Haney and Larry Leonard dropped their Innova sponsorship. Something about being dropped from team champion.
Is their any truth to this?
I haven't heard anything about Larry dropping his, but Walt decided to drop his sponsorship. You need to talk to them about their reasons.
DweLLeR
Jan 26 2006, 11:21 AM
Japan Open Disc Golf / 2006 JAPAN OPEN 150 CLASS CANDY ROCS!
This is an email from 'Japan Open Disc Golf' Message: Dear Japan Open Supporter: The 2006 Japan Open Disc Golf Tournament is hailed as one of Disc Golf’s greatest cultural adventures. The event returns to Nasu Highlands Golf Course and Resort in Tochigi, Japan, June 15th - 17th, 2006. Japan Open Promotions and Zone Driven have team up and are proud to announce the release of 1000 limited edition 150 Class Candy Rocs. Four collectible Japan Open designs will be available exclusively through Zone Driven. All discs are translucent and are available in a variety of colors. For product & purchasing information, please visit www.zonedriven.com. (http://www.zonedriven.com.) Thanks for suporting the Japan Open! Sam Ferrans Japan Open International Director www.japanopen.info (http://www.japanopen.info)
Ok Dave, tell us about the Japan Open Rocs......please!
davei
Jan 26 2006, 03:00 PM
Japan Open Disc Golf / 2006 JAPAN OPEN 150 CLASS CANDY ROCS!
Ok Dave, tell us about the Japan Open Rocs......please!
These were a limited run of gummy bear Champion Rocs.
flynvegas
Jan 26 2006, 07:11 PM
Dave,
The site says that they were 1000 Japan CFR Roc's made, with 4 stamps.
Is that 1000 total divided into the 4 stamps, 250 each? Or, 1000 each for a total of 4000?
Thx
Birdie
Jan 26 2006, 09:12 PM
Dave, how would you describe the solar conversion kit? Its effectivness, it's brightness, and overall performance.
Thanks Buddy.
so what's next on the prodution line for the star line?
luda
davei
Jan 27 2006, 08:51 AM
Dave,
The site says that they were 1000 Japan CFR Roc's made, with 4 stamps.
Is that 1000 total divided into the 4 stamps, 250 each? Or, 1000 each for a total of 4000?
Thx
l000 is the total. 250 of each stamp. I will confirm, but I am pretty sure.
davei
Jan 27 2006, 08:53 AM
so what's next on the prodution line for the star line?
luda
TLs, Valks, Aviars
davei
Jan 27 2006, 09:06 AM
Dave, how would you describe the solar conversion kit? Its effectivness, it's brightness, and overall performance.
Thanks Buddy.
What's a solar conversion kit?
whorley
Jan 27 2006, 09:30 AM
I haven't heard anything about Larry dropping his, but Walt decided to drop his sponsorship.
Please forgive my ignorance, but did Larry and Walt used to be on Team Champion? Also, did Team Champion used to have more members?
What are the perks of being on Team Champion? What are the perks of being on Team Innova? Thanks
DSproAVIAR
Jan 27 2006, 11:10 AM
Dave, how would you describe the solar conversion kit? Its effectivness, it's brightness, and overall performance.
Thanks Buddy.
What's a solar conversion kit?
Isn't that a DGA product? The solar-powered basket light for night putting.
Greatzky2
Jan 27 2006, 12:31 PM
dave,
Steve Brinster's Hometown is West Milford, NJ
not New Milford, NJ :)
I'm going up there for the weekend to got to buzzzy's icebowl and say hi to the pohboys.
-Scott Lewis
davei
Jan 27 2006, 12:35 PM
I haven't heard anything about Larry dropping his, but Walt decided to drop his sponsorship.
Please forgive my ignorance, but did Larry and Walt used to be on Team Champion? Also, did Team Champion used to have more members?
What are the perks of being on Team Champion? What are the perks of being on Team Innova? Thanks
Yes, Larry and Walt were on Team Champion. Team Champion was pared down to the main touring players who amassed the most tourning points last year. Last year Walt and Larry did not play much on tour, so they didn't get many points.
I believe the big difference is prestige. Champion members get a few extra perks, but bonuses are all the same.
davei
Jan 27 2006, 12:38 PM
dave,
Steve Brinster's Hometown is West Milford, NJ
not New Milford, NJ :)
I'm going up there for the weekend to got to buzzzy's icebowl and say hi to the pohboys.
-Scott Lewis
Thanks Scott. I asked to have this changed several weeks ago. I guess it slipped through the cracks.
mitchjustice
Jan 27 2006, 12:47 PM
so who is on Team Champion this year?
Birdie
Jan 27 2006, 01:20 PM
Dave, how would you describe the solar conversion kit? Its effectivness, it's brightness, and overall performance.
Thanks Buddy.
What's a solar conversion kit?
Well it is a DGA prduct actually, I forgot, but its a solar light that attaches to any of the Mach series, I think, and provides light to all who want to putt.
I just though you might have seen them around...maybe not.
discette
Jan 27 2006, 02:06 PM
so who is on Team Champion this year?
Look here. (http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/index.html)
mitchjustice
Jan 27 2006, 02:20 PM
thank you
NachoFoo
Jan 27 2006, 06:01 PM
Hey Dave,
Not sure if you've covered this already, just curious if you are going to be releasing a star firebird any time in the near future.
widiscgolf
Jan 27 2006, 06:10 PM
It's coming sometime soon I think. Pretty hot in demand I see the FX Firebird is.
jaymo
Jan 27 2006, 06:41 PM
Pretty hot in demand I see the FX Firebird is.
I'll echo that, I've put off buying another champ firebird, although the one I have is getting a little too beat up for my liking. I threw it RHFH the other day into a stiff headwind, and it went left and never came back... :confused:
So I am hoping those Star FXs are here soon... mmmmm star firebird... alchclhcchhlhhhh (supposed to be homer's drooling sound, but I don't really know how to spell that)
quickdisc
Jan 27 2006, 09:00 PM
I like my Star Teebirds. :D
amen to that donny! star teebirds are SWELL :cool:
colin-evans
Jan 27 2006, 09:54 PM
love my star tee just got my ssl seems stable and sweet.
ce
DSproAVIAR
Jan 27 2006, 10:31 PM
I could see Star TL's being very smooth for turnovers. But yes, <font color="red"> STAR FX!!! </font>
And well I'm at it,
Dave- I just rcvd a recently run KC Aviar. On every other KC Aviar I've seen, only the weight is listed on the back. Now, above the weight, is written "KC". This leads me to believe that you've run Star driver-mold aviars (and had to label the KC's to distinguish the plastic). Have you tested them? How do they fly? Could you please send me one?
AviarX
Jan 28 2006, 02:40 AM
You don't throw TeeBirds???
no, but i plan to give the STAR TL a try :D
davei
Jan 28 2006, 09:56 AM
Hey Dave,
Not sure if you've covered this already, just curious if you are going to be releasing a star firebird any time in the near future.
Yes we will have both the Firebird and FL in Star. Not sure when, but it is coming up fairly soon.
davei
Jan 28 2006, 09:58 AM
I could see Star TL's being very smooth for turnovers. But yes, <font color="red"> STAR FX!!! </font>
And well I'm at it,
Dave- I just rcvd a recently run KC Aviar. On every other KC Aviar I've seen, only the weight is listed on the back. Now, above the weight, is written "KC". This leads me to believe that you've run Star driver-mold aviars (and had to label the KC's to distinguish the plastic). Have you tested them? How do they fly? Could you please send me one?
No, we have not run Star driver Aviars yet.
thetruthxl
Jan 28 2006, 10:45 AM
Hi Dave,
Any plans on a radically overstable STAR disc yet? ;) ;)
Thanks!
BTW, I've only got 3 of my favorite DX disc ever left! ;) :D
Dave, I have a question about a disc I am putting up on ebay to raise a few bucks for the Lakewood Open. It's domeyish, bone-white and has a large Champion Discs Inc. star stamp in rainbow foil. On the back it has the weight written "173" in relatively large rounded characters. The mold markings say San Marino. This mold looks exactly like a Millennium Aurora MS that I've had since 2000, except the mold mark on the aurora says Ontario. Any ideas?
Eric in Seattle
Well, the old shark that I have (from the late '80's) has a little ridge on the rim that this disc doesn't have. I'll have to compare it to the Champion Shark I've got around here somewhere.
okay. not a shark then. i'm pretty sure they all have that ridge in the middle of the rim. dave should know :D
davei
Jan 28 2006, 10:10 PM
Dave, I have a question about a disc I am putting up on ebay to raise a few bucks for the Lakewood Open. It's domeyish, bone-white and has a large Champion Discs Inc. star stamp in rainbow foil. On the back it has the weight written "173" in relatively large rounded characters. The mold markings say San Marino. This mold looks exactly like a Millennium Aurora MS that I've had since 2000, except the mold mark on the aurora says Ontario. Any ideas?
Eric in Seattle
It sounds like the Original Pro we were making for DGA in 1988 I believe. It is basically the precursor to the Aurora.
davei
Jan 28 2006, 10:11 PM
Hi Dave,
Any plans on a radically overstable STAR disc yet? ;) ;)
Thanks!
BTW, I've only got 3 of my favorite DX disc ever left! ;) :D
Nothing yet. Sorry.
quickdisc
Jan 29 2006, 07:13 PM
Hey Dave , just had a chance to throw this disc.
Hotstamp says " Star SL" . Is this a leopard ?
Hotstamp says " Star SL" . Is this a leopard ?
No, It is a Star Starfire L. Basically, It's a modified Starfire in the Star plastic. And the L doesn't mean leopard bottom either.
Erroneous
Jan 29 2006, 10:20 PM
Hotstamp says " Star SL" . Is this a leopard ?
No, It is a Star Sidewinder L. Basically, It's a modified Sidewinder in the Star plastic. And the L doesn't mean leopard bottom either.
-
Its a Starfire-L, the same mold as the pro starfire, but in the star plastic.
jaymo
Jan 29 2006, 11:03 PM
OHHHH Boy... it begins...
SL = starfire-less stable
bfunkyp
Jan 29 2006, 11:37 PM
so that is a Starfire with a Leopard bottom right ;)
AviarX
Jan 29 2006, 11:40 PM
the funny thing is it's a pretty safe bet that Donny already knew that :D
SL is to Starfire as TL is to Teebird
(unless we're talking Pro Starfire: the Pro Starfire is an SL) :o
Did i really say Sidewinder? Wow, I really screwed that up. I meant to say Starfire. (shakes head at my own stupidity)
mitchjustice
Jan 29 2006, 11:57 PM
the Star SL throws just like a brand new Pro Starfire...because it is...and goes far :o...and can we re-tire the whole leopard bottom thingy...geeeezzz
colin-evans
Jan 30 2006, 12:42 AM
mitch the ones i have are far from just like, but faster and more high speed stable..
booooooooooooom!!!
ce
more high speed stable sounds perfect.
quickdisc
Jan 30 2006, 10:23 PM
the funny thing is it's a pretty safe bet that Donny already knew that :D
SL is to Starfire as TL is to Teebird
(unless we're talking Pro Starfire: the Pro Starfire is an SL) :o
:D Maybe this Star disc was mis-stamped ?
It felt like a TL Teebird in Star plastic. The rim was not as wide as a Starfire. Flat bottom rim with a bit of flashing. Almost like having a 1/16 inch bead.
Closer to a Sidewinder , than a Starfire. It fliped a little into a headwind , but held a nice flat hyzer line .:eek:
27493
Jan 31 2006, 01:27 AM
Star Gators? Star Monsters? :)
davei
Jan 31 2006, 08:51 AM
Star Gators? Star Monsters? :)
Eventually.
oceanjones
Jan 31 2006, 09:01 AM
Star Cobra? (Cobra...the most underappreciated disc in golf.)
davei
Jan 31 2006, 12:07 PM
Star Cobra? (Cobra...the most underappreciated disc in golf.)
Maybe. The Stingray is in that slot right now. The only difference at this point is the feel of the Cobra bead vs. the sharper Stingray bottom. The flight is very similar between the two.
oceanjones
Jan 31 2006, 01:03 PM
Really?...In my limited experience I find the Stingray much less stable. (It is one of my wifes favorites though :) ) I see the Cobra out on the course pretty often, but I rarely see the Stingray.
Now I may have to start hoarding Champ Cobras. :D
DSproAVIAR
Jan 31 2006, 01:15 PM
Dave, I found this quote on Innova's site:
14 out of 15 INNOVA Pros have at least one Roc in their bag. Many have 4 or 5.
Who does not have a roc in their bag?
z Vaughn z
Jan 31 2006, 01:20 PM
Dave,
Do you know of any Innova sponsored Pros who use a JK Aviar X other than the title on the disc? Personally, I think it is the best putter on the market and love the 4 times. Were you aware that in damp situations, the JK Aviar X can be rubbed dry only using your fingers? Its amazing what Friction and good plastic can accomplish!
accidentalROLLER
Jan 31 2006, 01:39 PM
Dave, I found this quote on Innova's site:
14 out of 15 INNOVA Pros have at least one Roc in their bag. Many have 4 or 5.
Who does not have a roc in their bag?
According to the Innova Team player profiles:
Jesper Lundmark
Juliana Korver
Birgitta Lagerholm
Carrie Berlogar
Daniel Strandberg
Tita Ugalde
Joel Kelly
7 out 74 do not list a roc in their bag, or 9.46%
discette
Jan 31 2006, 03:21 PM
I know Tita has a Roc in her bag and a Classic Roc as well!!
accidentalROLLER
Jan 31 2006, 03:24 PM
I was just going by the Innova Team "what's in the bag" section, alot of them are blank, btw. I don't really consider classic rocs as Rocs. Classic rocs are more like aviars than they are like rocs. IMO.
veganray
Jan 31 2006, 03:31 PM
I don't believe that Dave himself carries a Roc.
but is dave on the team?? :D
accidentalROLLER
Jan 31 2006, 03:43 PM
Yeah Dave, your a pretty good player. Why don't you sponser yourself? I think you've earned a spot.
davei
Jan 31 2006, 03:48 PM
Dave,
Do you know of any Innova sponsored Pros who use a JK Aviar X other than the title on the disc? Personally, I think it is the best putter on the market and love the 4 times. Were you aware that in damp situations, the JK Aviar X can be rubbed dry only using your fingers? Its amazing what Friction and good plastic can accomplish!
Yes Micah Dorius, Jim Myers, Dean Tannock, Tita Ugalde and Birgitta Lagerholm. Maybe more, but not all team members were specific about which. More of our team use KCs rather than JKs. It has been my putter since we came out with it. Great grip, flight, and durability for me.
davei
Jan 31 2006, 03:51 PM
Yeah Dave, your a pretty good player. Why don't you sponser yourself? I think you've earned a spot.
I do sponsor myself, but I am not good enough to make the team. My rating is only 973.
davei
Jan 31 2006, 04:03 PM
Really?...In my limited experience I find the Stingray much less stable. (It is one of my wifes favorites though :) ) I see the Cobra out on the course pretty often, but I rarely see the Stingray.
Now I may have to start hoarding Champ Cobras. :D
In the past, we were using the San Marino mold which is less stable than the Ontario we used for the Star. The Cobra has been the Ontario mold for a long time. Only when we run Classic Cobras, is it different. The classic mold is the San Marino. That mold is old, feeble, and hard to run.
colin-evans
Jan 31 2006, 04:29 PM
I do sponsor myself, but I am not good enough to make the team. My rating is only 973.
I think 973 is a fine rating to sponsor someone since that happens to be my rating as well. Mabe have a team 973. :D
ce
if the talk is about making teams, how about a "Team Unrated"
Nobody knows how good we really are /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
AviarX
Jan 31 2006, 08:22 PM
Yeah Dave, your a pretty good player. Why don't you sponser yourself? I think you've earned a spot.
I do sponsor myself, but I am not good enough to make the team. My rating is only 973.
yeah, but you are a former World Champion. guess those are a dime a dozen though on Team Innova... :D
how about a section on the website where we can see what's in the bag of Dave Dunipace & Harold Duvall? :D
the_kid
Jan 31 2006, 11:57 PM
Dave, I found this quote on Innova's site:
14 out of 15 INNOVA Pros have at least one Roc in their bag. Many have 4 or 5.
Who does not have a roc in their bag?
According to the Innova Team player profiles:
Jesper Lundmark
Juliana Korver
Birgitta Lagerholm
Carrie Berlogar
Daniel Strandberg
Tita Ugalde
Joel Kelly
7 out 74 do not list a roc in their bag, or 9.46%
I only saw Coda throw a Roc like three times this weekend in three rounds. He used a FB and an avair almost exclusively. Also Chris Heeren doesn't even throw his mids but he carries two Rocs anyway. :D
the_kid
Jan 31 2006, 11:59 PM
Hey Dave what is up with there being a sponsored AM? :confused:
thetruthxl
Feb 01 2006, 03:53 PM
Also Chris Heeren doesn't even throw his mids but he carries two Rocs anyway. :D
Carrying a roc is like carrying your car keys. They're always in your bag, or you're stuck there. :D
quickdisc
Feb 01 2006, 05:38 PM
I was just going by the Innova Team "what's in the bag" section, alot of them are blank, btw. I don't really consider classic rocs as Rocs. Classic rocs are more like aviars than they are like rocs. IMO.
No..............Classic Rocs are more like XD's.
rhett
Feb 01 2006, 06:10 PM
I was just going by the Innova Team "what's in the bag" section, alot of them are blank, btw. I don't really consider classic rocs as Rocs. Classic rocs are more like aviars than they are like rocs. IMO.
No..............Classic Rocs are more like XD's.
An XD? Do you, per chance, mean an Aviar XD? :)
quickdisc
Feb 01 2006, 06:26 PM
I was just going by the Innova Team "what's in the bag" section, alot of them are blank, btw. I don't really consider classic rocs as Rocs. Classic rocs are more like aviars than they are like rocs. IMO.
No..............Classic Rocs are more like XD's.
An XD? Do you, per chance, mean an Aviar XD? :)
Correctamundo !!! :D
thetruthxl
Feb 01 2006, 08:30 PM
I was just going by the Innova Team "what's in the bag" section, alot of them are blank, btw. I don't really consider classic rocs as Rocs. Classic rocs are more like aviars than they are like rocs. IMO.
No..............Classic Rocs are more like XD's.
An XD? Do you, per chance, mean an Aviar XD? :)
Could there be a calling for a STAR Aviar XD? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
rickb
Feb 02 2006, 12:15 PM
Dave
Hoping you can clear up some confusion.
In the 90's there were a number of molds that were produced with "star" logo and then the name of the mold across this logo ie. Pegasus, Banshee, Moray, Raven etc.
The question is are these prototypes or 1st runs. The discussion we were having had me in favor of 1st runs for a couple of different reasons. Alot of these same molds are also available with the classic "proto" stamps. Star, Bar stamp.
Also if they are prototypes how do they already have pdga approved as part of the stamp? It was my understanding that the prototypes were released before they became approved.
And lastly do you have an indication as to typically how many prototypes of a disc are generally run? I'm curious to know from a collectors point of view.
Thanks again for that you do for this sport and us inquiring minds.
davei
Feb 02 2006, 12:24 PM
Dave
Hoping you can clear up some confusion.
In the 90's there were a number of molds that were produced with "star" logo and then the name of the mold across this logo ie. Pegasus, Banshee, Moray, Raven etc.
The question is are these prototypes or 1st runs. The discussion we were having had me in favor of 1st runs for a couple of different reasons. Alot of these same molds are also available with the classic "proto" stamps. Star, Bar stamp.
Also if they are prototypes how do they already have pdga approved as part of the stamp? It was my understanding that the prototypes were released before they became approved.
And lastly do you have an indication as to typically how many prototypes of a disc are generally run? I'm curious to know from a collectors point of view.
Thanks again for that you do for this sport and us inquiring minds.
Most of the Star Stamps were 1st runs. Some of these firsts runs were called prototypes, by "experts", even though they weren't. Very few releases could be called prototypes. The only one I can think of off hand (besides the original Eagle) was the Gazelle. The first run Gazelle was a prototype. It was soon retooled into the present Gazelle.
20460chase
Feb 02 2006, 01:04 PM
Which Gazelle do you mean Dave? The barstamps?
What about the POGA Cheetah?
davei
Feb 02 2006, 01:25 PM
Which Gazelle do you mean Dave? The barstamps?
What about the POGA Cheetah?
The POGA Cheetah was just a hotstamp goof. The Gazelle was different. If you look on the inside vertical wall of the rim, you can see what looks like a bead on the bottom of the rim wall. That was a result of the retooling. The initial Gazelle was faster and longer, but wasn't as reliable or accurate. The rim wall of the initial Gazelle was shorter, and had no bead.
rickb
Feb 02 2006, 01:44 PM
You cleared up alot and thanks.
But to add to any confusion. There was the "proto" Raven that had this wording as part of the stamp.
20460chase
Feb 02 2006, 02:13 PM
Which Gazelle do you mean Dave? The barstamps?
What about the POGA Cheetah?
The POGA Cheetah was just a hotstamp goof. The Gazelle was different. If you look on the inside vertical wall of the rim, you can see what looks like a bead on the bottom of the rim wall. That was a result of the retooling. The initial Gazelle was faster and longer, but wasn't as reliable or accurate. The rim wall of the initial Gazelle was shorter, and had no bead.
I see said the blind man. Thanks again Sir.
superq16504
Feb 02 2006, 02:13 PM
Dave on the Gazelle was there a change in the stamp when the mold was re-tooled? the current gazelle stamp has the front legs crossed, I have several older gazelles with the front legs straight (not crossed) are these a different/older mold?
mf100forever
Feb 02 2006, 02:22 PM
Dave,
Zephyr without thumtrac? Was it a prototype or 1st run?
I haven�t seen many of those around..... ?
anita
Feb 02 2006, 04:03 PM
Q -
I remember the original Gazelle had the gazelle in profile. I called it the "road kill" gazelle. The next stamp was, as a friend used to say, "the prancy candy-*****" gazelle. Both of those stamps were on the old style. I believe that the "prancy" style is on the current mold.
I still have a few of the "road kill" discs. I should take those back out....
davei
Feb 02 2006, 04:38 PM
You cleared up alot and thanks.
But to add to any confusion. There was the "proto" Raven that had this wording as part of the stamp.
Not sure why that was, but might have had to do with a tooling change.
rtinsa
Feb 02 2006, 04:39 PM
I have a good question Dave! The Pro Wraith and Star Wraith! Diff Yes! The star wraith is taller when you stand it on there edge's, beside the pro wraith! So in theory if the diameter of the disc is longer it will fly different and in reality it is a different golf disc in a small manner! I look at these small aspect's of the game! :cool:
davei
Feb 02 2006, 04:41 PM
Dave on the Gazelle was there a change in the stamp when the mold was re-tooled? the current gazelle stamp has the front legs crossed, I have several older gazelles with the front legs straight (not crossed) are these a different/older mold?
The broken legged Gazelle stamp was the initial stamp, but I don't think it was on the Protos. Probably both stamps are on the same model, and they are both current Gazelles.
quickdisc
Feb 02 2006, 04:42 PM
Yeah Dave, your a pretty good player. Why don't you sponser yourself? I think you've earned a spot.
I do sponsor myself, but I am not good enough to make the team. My rating is only 973.
Yeah , but you putt good. Something that you have showed me how to do. Now it's up to me to play a complete game and consistent tournament. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
davei
Feb 02 2006, 04:43 PM
Dave,
Zephyr without thumtrac? Was it a prototype or 1st run?
I haven�t seen many of those around..... ?
That was definitely a prototype. Not many of those made.
davei
Feb 02 2006, 04:48 PM
I have a good question Dave! The Pro Wraith and Star Wraith! Diff Yes! The star wraith is taller when you stand it on there edge's, beside the pro wraith! So in theory if the diameter of the disc is longer it will fly different and in reality it is a different golf disc in a small manner! I look at these small aspect's of the game! :cool:
Yes, they do fly differently. The way the material shaped the disc, rather than the mold, made the difference.
flynvegas
Feb 02 2006, 04:54 PM
Dave on the Gazelle was there a change in the stamp when the mold was re-tooled? the current gazelle stamp has the front legs crossed, I have several older gazelles with the front legs straight (not crossed) are these a different/older mold?
The broken legged Gazelle stamp was the initial stamp, but I don't think it was on the Protos. Probably both stamps are on the same model, and they are both current Gazelles.
Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.
thetruthxl
Feb 02 2006, 06:34 PM
if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?
thanks! ;) :D:)
drdyedcom
Feb 02 2006, 06:45 PM
Dave,
I personally throw mostly Innova plastic, I always have. I really like all the different plastics that you have produced in the last couple years. Its amazing to see how much the plastic has changed in just the short 7 years I have been playing DG.
I have one question about the star plastic...Is the star plastic a 50/50 mix of champion and pro plastics??? If so, why is the MSRP higher than champion by $1??? I am not trying to roc the boat(excuse the pun), I am just trying to understand why it would be MSRP'ed at more if the discs cost roughly half the price to make??? I understand that they are marketed to be almost as durable as champ and just as grippy as pro, so I get that there is possible "extra benifit" to the plastic as far as grip and durability are concerned to the player. But enought to offset the price to the player that much?? I dont know if you set the prices on discs so all I am asking I guess is if the star plastic is 50% champ and 50% pro plastics??
HFDS184
Feb 02 2006, 07:18 PM
Dave, I'm sure you've had a chance to test the Star Avairs by now. Did they test well? What do they fly like? Any idea on a release date? FXs next?
One more thing. I've been reading posts about the retooled Beast, which you used for the Star line. Was there a reason why you didn't leave the original in the line and make the retool a Beast L? Not that it bothers me. The Champion beast I had was just about as overstable as my Champ Starfire, but I know some people liked it. Barry, for one.
Thanks,
Kent
MARKB
Feb 02 2006, 07:31 PM
There are star aviars out there now, I have a couple, and a lot of people picked them up with tournament stamps at the Big Chill in Milwaukee, Wi
I have been putting with them for most of my rounds this week. They fly really nice, just like the putt and approach to me at least.
quickdisc
Feb 02 2006, 07:54 PM
Are they driver stiff or Putter soft ?
DSproAVIAR
Feb 02 2006, 08:38 PM
I have been putting with them for most of my rounds this week. They fly really nice, just like the putt and approach to me at least.
DAVE- There you go, a great response for a Star putter! Now you can run driver mold aviars in Star!!
Now a question- Are there plans for Glow Star discs? It's warm enough to glow in MI tonight!!
MARKB
Feb 02 2006, 09:37 PM
Putter soft for sure
I would definately be interested in and would buy a bunch of Star Aviars if they were made in the "classic aviar" or Kc pro molds, and if they were really stiff :)
jebbeer
Feb 02 2006, 10:33 PM
On the subjecy of glo, what is the CFR list looking like for this year? Any new champion glo discs?
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:36 AM
Dave on the Gazelle was there a change in the stamp when the mold was re-tooled? the current gazelle stamp has the front legs crossed, I have several older gazelles with the front legs straight (not crossed) are these a different/older mold?
The broken legged Gazelle stamp was the initial stamp, but I don't think it was on the Protos. Probably both stamps are on the same model, and they are both current Gazelles.
Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.
I don't remember. Sorry.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:38 AM
if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?
thanks! ;) :D:)
Still gonna be a while.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:46 AM
Dave,
I personally throw mostly Innova plastic, I always have. I really like all the different plastics that you have produced in the last couple years. Its amazing to see how much the plastic has changed in just the short 7 years I have been playing DG.
I have one question about the star plastic...Is the star plastic a 50/50 mix of champion and pro plastics??? If so, why is the MSRP higher than champion by $1??? I am not trying to roc the boat(excuse the pun), I am just trying to understand why it would be MSRP'ed at more if the discs cost roughly half the price to make??? I understand that they are marketed to be almost as durable as champ and just as grippy as pro, so I get that there is possible "extra benifit" to the plastic as far as grip and durability are concerned to the player. But enought to offset the price to the player that much?? I dont know if you set the prices on discs so all I am asking I guess is if the star plastic is 50% champ and 50% pro plastics??
No, the Star plastic is not 50/50. It is all candy plus an additive.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:52 AM
Dave, I'm sure you've had a chance to test the Star Avairs by now. Did they test well? What do they fly like? Any idea on a release date? FXs next?
One more thing. I've been reading posts about the retooled Beast, which you used for the Star line. Was there a reason why you didn't leave the original in the line and make the retool a Beast L? Not that it bothers me. The Champion beast I had was just about as overstable as my Champ Starfire, but I know some people liked it. Barry, for one.
Thanks,
Kent
Firebirds are coming closer. Probably three weeks til the start. The Star Aviar tested real well as far as driving approaching and putting. The only question will be how people like the feel, I think. This Aviar is very straight for everything.
We dropped the original Beast from the line as it was too similar to the Orc. We can still make the originals for a special offering, CFR, or for Barry, if he wanted.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:53 AM
Are they driver stiff or Putter soft ?
They are in-between.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:57 AM
I have been putting with them for most of my rounds this week. They fly really nice, just like the putt and approach to me at least.
DAVE- There you go, a great response for a Star putter! Now you can run driver mold aviars in Star!!
Now a question- Are there plans for Glow Star discs? It's warm enough to glow in MI tonight!!
I don't think we will be able to do glow Star. It's hard enough to do glow clear candy. Glow Star seems unlikely at this point.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 08:59 AM
On the subjecy of glo, what is the CFR list looking like for this year? Any new champion glo discs?
We will be doing more glo in clear Champion, I believe, but we haven't decided which we will be doing yet.
thetruthxl
Feb 03 2006, 09:59 AM
if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?
thanks! ;) :D:)
Still gonna be a while.
Dave,
You're a heck of a guy to put up with my junk! Thanks for understanding. You know that I love innova and I am almost exclusively an Innova Champion Disc hucker...I still like to put my $.02 out there. ;)
davei
Feb 03 2006, 11:32 AM
:)
AviarX
Feb 03 2006, 11:55 AM
Dave, i read earlier that you said the STAR line is not replacing the Pro line provided the latter keep selling. I believe you said the Pro Starfire (all of which are SL) and the Pro Wraith sell very well. Is there any chance you would discontinue the Pro Beast and re-run Pro Orcs? Pro Orcs are my best disc by far and while i do have SB and Champ Orcs and like them, the Pro Orcs imo are the best driver disc ever.
Or, if a club or tournament wanted to do a special run of Pro Orcs, would that be do-able? If so how many would be the minimum?
thanks for your time.
accidentalROLLER
Feb 03 2006, 12:04 PM
Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?
flynvegas
Feb 03 2006, 12:14 PM
Coyote
AviarX
Feb 03 2006, 12:23 PM
Coyote or Aurora MS fly dead straight and hold any line if you don't throw with heavy off-axis torque. SB Roc is like a Z Buzzz (straight then finishes left, only it's a lot better) and you support a great disc golf event by purchasing one.
veganray
Feb 03 2006, 12:25 PM
Proline Gremlin
z Vaughn z
Feb 03 2006, 12:51 PM
Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?
I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking and a wasp is basically a Roc. I'm now proud to say that I throw all Innova......except a flick for high, drop dead thumbers. :cool:
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 12:53 PM
Proline Gremlin
Your Gremmy must be beat to hell Ray. Ive had mine since day one and its still decently beefy.
Speaking of the world famous Gremlin, how long before
>>>>>>> STAR GREMLINS DAVE? <<<<<<<<<<<<
Thanks as always.
DweLLeR
Feb 03 2006, 12:54 PM
Coyote! Pick a line...any line...thats where she will fly. However, maybe its just me but I have a 180 orange that is less stable than the 179 green and the 179 glow. Weird!
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 12:54 PM
Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?
I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking and a wasp is basically a Roc. I'm now proud to say that I throw all Innova......except a flick for high, drop dead thumbers. :cool:
You like the Flick better than the Monster or an FX?
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 12:58 PM
Coyote or Aurora MS fly dead straight and hold any line if you don't throw with heavy off-axis torque. SB Roc is like a Z Buzzz (straight then finishes left, only it's a lot better) and you support a great disc golf event by purchasing one.
Id try to find the Opaque QMS' if thats what your looking for. I stopped using them when the Coyote came out, mainly because of the distance I could get out of the Coyote. I think they are very similar, only the Coyote gets more lift, and a little more controlled distance.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 01:04 PM
Dave, i read earlier that you said the STAR line is not replacing the Pro line provided the latter keep selling. I believe you said the Pro Starfire (all of which are SL) and the Pro Wraith sell very well. Is there any chance you would discontinue the Pro Beast and re-run Pro Orcs? Pro Orcs are my best disc by far and while i do have SB and Champ Orcs and like them, the Pro Orcs imo are the best driver disc ever.
Or, if a club or tournament wanted to do a special run of Pro Orcs, would that be do-able? If so how many would be the minimum?
thanks for your time.
The Pro Orc was very popular, but it was embarrassingly fragile. We really don't want to run these again. The Pro Beast might still be viable, but my guess is most people are going to either gravitate to Star or the new DX.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 01:17 PM
Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?
I've not thrown a Z-Buzz or Wasp. We have several discs that might fit the bill. The Aurora MS would probably head the list. The Classic Roc is another. I don't know if the Coyote would be stable enough into a wind. The Champion Shark might be too stable. The Aviar fits the bill if you are willing to give up a little distance. We are working on a smaller diameter mid range right now, but I can't be specific until we are in testing. The ideal for this disc would be as you describe.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 01:20 PM
Proline Gremlin
Your Gremmy must be beat to hell Ray. Ive had mine since day one and its still decently beefy.
Speaking of the world famous Gremlin, how long before
>>>>>>> STAR GREMLINS DAVE? <<<<<<<<<<<<
Thanks as always.
Too long, I am afraid. I too am interested in the Star Gremlin. Right now we have to make current line discs. Once we catch up, we can do the specials.
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 02:14 PM
So much for Happy Friday.
tokyo
Feb 03 2006, 02:22 PM
How long is it going to take for you took get the current line of discs in Star Plastic. I still like champion better but I would love to try out a Ryhno whenver it might be.
accidentalROLLER
Feb 03 2006, 02:35 PM
Thanks for all your input.
Champ Coyote's = not dependable in wind or when throw hard
Champ/SB Roc's = too expensive
Champ Sharks = not crazy about them, large diameter
Aurora MS & QMS = never heard of it, don't know where to get it
Champ Classic Roc = never thrown the champ ones but the pro's are horrible in the wind
I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking...<font color="red">I use a beat up cryztal buzz for anny's or a putter (wizard) </font>... and a wasp is basically a Roc...<font color="red">yes, except a little more stable and about $10 cheaper for z-wasp as opposed to champ roc.</font>
Dave, also, if I were you I would go bust out some buzzzs and wasps. Being in technical field, I know that industries often buy the compitior's products and see what makes them different and/or better/worse. They will reverse engineer competitors products to see where they can leap-frog them and stay within the ethical boundaries. Just a thought, take it or leave it. I know that if Innova made a disc similar to the buzzz, you could convert alot of Buzzz throwers. Just my $0.02.
Furthur
Feb 03 2006, 02:39 PM
Coyote! Pick a line...any line...thats where she will fly. However, maybe its just me but I have a 180 orange that is less stable than the 179 green and the 179 glow. Weird!
I would liken the Coyote more to the Comet than the Buzz in terms of flight characteristics. If you're throwing a Z Buzz on a rope with no fade at the end, then chances are you're going to turn a Coyote over, at least from my personal experience.
Also, the wasp is very much like the Champion Roc. If you're looking for a champion disc with that type of stability, you're looking at a Champ Roc, or perhaps a Millenium Sentinal MF (which I've never thrown, but they're supposed to be a nice overstable mid).
Greatzky2
Feb 03 2006, 02:44 PM
Furthur: unfortunately the Regular Sentinel MF has been discontinued so ony the Q-Sentinel is available.. But that just means you get an unbreakable more stable version of the sentinel :)
I like them. They are faster than a ROC and they are more overstable.
-Scott Lewis
flynvegas
Feb 03 2006, 02:56 PM
Dave, also, if I were you I would go bust out some buzzzs and wasps. Being in technical field, I know that industries often buy the compitior's products and see what makes them different and/or better/worse. They will reverse engineer competitors products to see where they can leap-frog them and stay within the ethical boundaries. Just a thought, take it or leave it. I know that if Innova made a disc similar to the buzzz, you could convert alot of Buzzz throwers. Just my $0.02.
What? Do what Discraft does with Innova disc's all the time?
Dave,
Just keep doing what you're doing.
accidentalROLLER
Feb 03 2006, 03:06 PM
I'm not saying Dave is doing anything wrong. It was just a suggestion. Innova is still #1 in my book. Innova drivers are still more predictable and more suited to what players want/need.
I just would like a smaller diameter, dead-straight to slightly overstable mid-range. Dave said he was making one, so I am satisfied. Yes Dave, keep doing what you are doing. I will shut-up now.
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 03:14 PM
30 degrees south of retarded says it all.
z Vaughn z
Feb 03 2006, 03:16 PM
I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking and a wasp is basically a Roc. I'm now proud to say that I throw all Innova......except a flick for high, drop dead thumbers. :cool:
You like the Flick better than the Monster or an FX?
[/QUOTE]
The flick comes straight down when thrown at a higher altitude. Its like a pitching wedge. I throw Firebirds for thumbers that I want more left to right movement.
I just would like a smaller diameter, dead-straight to slightly overstable mid-range. Dave said he was making one, so I am satisfied. Yes Dave, keep doing what you are doing. I will shut-up now.
Try a Champion Spider
veganray
Feb 03 2006, 03:44 PM
I carry three: 1 new-ish, 1 "seasoned", & 1 beat-to-heck.
20460chase
Feb 03 2006, 03:46 PM
I carry three: 1 new-ish, 1 "seasoned", & 1 beat-to-heck.
Dang. Your Gremlin-rich.
veganray
Feb 03 2006, 03:52 PM
Darn-skippy! That disc is so good, it's almost not fair. (Case in point: personal bests at Loriella Park: with full bag - 48, carring only one Proline Gremlin I found in my wife's trunk - 43.)
I am interested, though, in Dave's new small-diameter midrange project he alluded to above . . .
accidentalROLLER
Feb 03 2006, 03:54 PM
30 degrees south of retarded says it all.
Geez, you guys are brutal!
jugggg
Feb 03 2006, 04:10 PM
DX Wraith Dave? They out yet?
davei
Feb 03 2006, 05:30 PM
How long is it going to take for you took get the current line of discs in Star Plastic. I still like champion better but I would love to try out a Ryhno whenver it might be.
I don't know for sure, but we are close to finishing several discs right now. If nothing else comes up, (and it always seems to), then we can start Firebirds. The Rhynos are a little farther out, but I think they will be worth waiting for.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 05:35 PM
I'm not saying Dave is doing anything wrong. It was just a suggestion. Innova is still #1 in my book. Innova drivers are still more predictable and more suited to what players want/need.
I just would like a smaller diameter, dead-straight to slightly overstable mid-range. Dave said he was making one, so I am satisfied. Yes Dave, keep doing what you are doing. I will shut-up now.
No need to shut up. I appreciate your input. I did have a chance to throw the new disc today and so far so good. I will be testing more this weekend. This might be a disc you can use. We'll see.
davei
Feb 03 2006, 05:39 PM
DX Wraith Dave? They out yet?
Not yet. Hopefully by the 1st of March.
quickdisc
Feb 03 2006, 06:45 PM
Hey Dave. Really like the Starline plastic. All models I have thrown are more stable than their Proline counterparts. They seem to hold up well in shape and durability. Thanks.
Plankeye
Feb 03 2006, 07:06 PM
dave has said in the past that they hold up really well. In fact they hold up a lot better than the pro versions.
The stability holds a lot longer than the pro versions
quickdisc
Feb 03 2006, 07:07 PM
Do you think they fly farther than their Champion counterparts ?
Plankeye
Feb 03 2006, 07:12 PM
Just as far if not farther than the champ counterparts. They are easier to beat in than champion so you can get it to S more which gives you a little more D(but doesn't get completely flippy like the pro versions)
quickdisc
Feb 03 2006, 07:23 PM
Sounds good to me.....................Any word on the Star Aviar ?
Furthur
Feb 03 2006, 07:29 PM
Furthur: unfortunately the Regular Sentinel MF has been discontinued so ony the Q-Sentinel is available.. But that just means you get an unbreakable more stable version of the sentinel :)
I like them. They are faster than a ROC and they are more overstable.
-Scott Lewis
Would you say the Q-Sentinal is between the Buzz and a Champ Roc/Z Wasp? That's the one disc that I've yet to find for my bag. Right now, I've got a 2004 SB Roc in that spot, but I'd rather throw something I can get regularly.
Plankeye
Feb 03 2006, 07:33 PM
Sounds good to me.....................Any word on the Star Aviar ?
I think they are almost ready
Plankeye
Feb 03 2006, 07:34 PM
Furthur: unfortunately the Regular Sentinel MF has been discontinued so ony the Q-Sentinel is available.. But that just means you get an unbreakable more stable version of the sentinel :)
I like them. They are faster than a ROC and they are more overstable.
-Scott Lewis
Would you say the Q-Sentinal is between the Buzz and a Champ Roc/Z Wasp? That's the one disc that I've yet to find for my bag. Right now, I've got a 2004 SB Roc in that spot, but I'd rather throw something I can get regularly.
either that or a heavy QMS
quickdisc
Feb 03 2006, 07:35 PM
Sounds good to me.....................Any word on the Star Aviar ?
I think they are almost ready
YES !!!!!!!! :D
Plankeye
Feb 03 2006, 07:39 PM
so what's next on the prodution line for the star line?
luda
TLs, Valks, Aviars
there ya go...i knew i read it somewhere
AviarX
Feb 03 2006, 08:09 PM
Aurora MS & QMS = never heard of it, don't know where to get it
They are Millenium discs and Millenium discs are made by Innova. They don't seem to advertise much. Does anyone know the address of their website? Dave? I used to throw Z Comets and a Z Buzzz and then went to Aurora MS and QMS (Q = candy version, regular Millenium plastic is Proline). the Sentinel MF probably has a lot more fade at slow speeds, while the MS is straighter. When the Coyote came out, it replaced the QMS in my bag although the QMS is probably a little more high speed stable. If i didn't carry an SB Roc, i would either go with the MF or maybe a KC Pro Roc (to fill the overstable midrange niche)...
i found the following descriptions of Millenium midranges --
AURORA MS
The Aurora MS (Midrange Straight) may be the truest flying disc ever made. It has no rollover, virtually no fade, and surprising distance for a midrange disc. All you have to do is control the angle and watch it makes great right curve, left curve, or dead straight shots. Plus it's made from the same material as Millennium's long-lasting drivers.
SENTINEL MF
The Sentinel MF debuted in Spring of 1998 as a limited edition specialty disc. But players started to fall in love with it. So in Spring of 2000, Millennium decided to make it a permanent part of their line. The Sentinel MF is unique among midrange discs. Its rare combination of speed and fade make it perfect for four situations: low ceiling approaches, skip/fade approaches, upwind approaches, and 'reverse S' approaches. It might be a little too much for newer players to handle, but better players will always want to keep the Sentinel around.
Greatzky2
Feb 03 2006, 11:23 PM
Furthur: A Q-Sentinel should be faster than a Champ roc or Z-wasp, but my guess would be the same stability. I haven't thrown one in a while, but always enjoyed the regular Sentinel and many people i know prefer the q-sentinel to the roc for many shots...
I'm not sure if they are more stable than a CE roc, but they are definately more stable than a SB roc and faster too.
-Scott Lewis
p.s. I'm putting up my tradelist again soon. I'm losing hours at work and need to sell more discs :(
20460chase
Feb 04 2006, 01:21 AM
I was told they are like Champion Sharks. The Qs.
mf100forever
Feb 04 2006, 05:10 AM
[QUOTE]
Does anyone know the address of their website? [QUOTE]
Milleniums website:
http://www.golfdisc.com/
DSproAVIAR
Feb 04 2006, 12:19 PM
Sounds good to me.....................Any word on the Star Aviar ?
I think they are almost ready
YES !!!!!!!! :D
There are some on Ebay right now with a WI tourney stamp.
tafe
Feb 04 2006, 07:31 PM
Hey Dave,
Just wanted to say thanks for the CFR Wraith.
Besides Firebird's and Champ Roc's this is the first Innova disc I have picked up in YEARS. It's so fast and far it's silly.
Thanks again,
Tafe
hawkgammon
Feb 06 2006, 12:03 PM
Dave,
Has the Classic Roc been discontinued in the Pro plastic? I notice on the website that it's only listed as availabe in CH & DX. I assume we'll eventually see it in ST.
Thanks.
davei
Feb 06 2006, 12:50 PM
Dave,
Has the Classic Roc been discontinued in the Pro plastic? I notice on the website that it's only listed as availabe in CH & DX. I assume we'll eventually see it in ST.
Thanks.
Yes, there are still some in stock, but once they're gone, they're gone. Yes, at some point we will run some Star in Classics. Don't know when just yet.
dfee
Feb 06 2006, 03:18 PM
Dave,
Any chance of a gazelle in Star plastic? Or should I buy up all the 11x while I still can?
Thanks. :)
davei
Feb 06 2006, 03:44 PM
Dave,
Any chance of a gazelle in Star plastic? Or should I buy up all the 11x while I still can?
Thanks. :)
A possibility, but on the back burner for now.
Big E
Feb 07 2006, 10:48 AM
Hey Dave when are we going to get a look at the 2006 champion rocs? Hey when will they be up for release this year?
Greatzky2
Feb 07 2006, 12:21 PM
Hey dave,
My girlfriend drew an amazing anime style sketch of me that I would love to have stamped onto discs.. What is the minimum order of discs needed to get discs hotstamped?? are there different minimums for the different types of plastic and do all the discs have to be the same??
-Scott Lewis
DSproAVIAR
Feb 07 2006, 12:27 PM
From Innova East-
For custom hot stamp(Not full color, Im not sure if you can get 2 color)
100 disc minimum, no model minimums.
$60 die fee, $20 equipment fee.
$.20 per disc stamped
The pro classic roc is my favorite disc. Please run the star soon!? Also, will there be any colored star sl's available anytime soon? It seems that white was the only color available. Besides being terrible in the snow, white is the color that I like the least as far as the feel of the star discs but I love the SL's.
davei
Feb 07 2006, 01:52 PM
Hey Dave when are we going to get a look at the 2006 champion rocs? Hey when will they be up for release this year?
I think they are scheduled for March 1
HFDS184
Feb 07 2006, 01:57 PM
Hey Dave when are we going to get a look at the 2006 champion rocs? Hey when will they be up for release this year?
I think they are scheduled for March 1
That's funny... there are a boat load of USDGC Rocs on eBay that they're claiming to be 2006. I bought one, myself, and I liked it, so I bought a back-up. Apparently, these are 2005s. I just got my other one. Should I say something about it in my feedback?
davei
Feb 07 2006, 01:58 PM
The pro classic roc is my favorite disc. Please run the star soon!? Also, will there be any colored star sl's available anytime soon? It seems that white was the only color available. Besides being terrible in the snow, white is the color that I like the least as far as the feel of the star discs but I love the SL's.
The Star Classic Roc is in queue, but will take a while to get to. The first color for SLs was white. We are running different colors now. They should be available soon.
DweLLeR
Feb 07 2006, 02:04 PM
I have a yellow SL, just picked it up last week.
Wouldnt it be correct in saying the only Rocs that can possibly be called 2006's were the 'Special Blend' Spectator Rocs with the large claws on them?
crotts
Feb 07 2006, 02:04 PM
That's funny... there are a boat load of USDGC Rocs on eBay that they're claiming to be 2006. I bought one, myself, and I liked it, so I bought a back-up. Apparently, these are 2005s. I just got my other one. Should I say something about it in my feedback?
if it has a claw on it then it is one of the 2006 rocs released at the USDGC. only 1000 released with that stamp.
if it has the claw stamp it is a 2006 Roc.
: ) :
Dave,
I apologize if this has been asked before, but do you have a specific time table for the release of Star Tls?
davei
Feb 07 2006, 02:11 PM
Kent, there was a 1000 disc early release of the 2006 USSDGC Rocs at the USDGC in October. These were Special Blend blunt nose Ontario type. The rest of the 2006 batch will be released March 1.
DweLLeR
Feb 07 2006, 02:15 PM
Were there any other colors besides red and white used for those first 1000? And what colors are being planned for the March 1st release? One more...Ontario or San Marino?
HFDS184
Feb 07 2006, 02:23 PM
That's great! Thanks guys. The two I got have seven stars. That's another reason I thought they might be '05s (7th annual)
davei
Feb 07 2006, 02:30 PM
Were there any other colors besides red and white used for those first 1000? And what colors are being planned for the March 1st release? One more...Ontario or San Marino?
I think you need to ask the East Coast guys these questions. The only thing I know for sure is that most of the next release will be Rancho type. The other colors of Special Blend made were blue, silver, and gold. Most of these were blue.
Dweller, do you have a yellow star sl or a yellow pro sl? If you have a yellow Star sl, where did you get it?
Erroneous
Feb 07 2006, 02:41 PM
I got 5 yellow Star SL's as soon as they came out. Discgolfvalues.com
accidentalROLLER
Feb 07 2006, 02:41 PM
Dave, on the courses you play right now, is there any wind? Cause there sure is here, where I play. Could really use some STAR Firebirds. My Champ ones are ok, but I could really use the extra grip. All the other star stuff made so far is understable, the wind is flipping the heck out of my star wraith. What gives? Why is all the understable stuff being made first?
MARKB
Feb 07 2006, 02:54 PM
I am having no problems throwing 175g star wraiths into 20+mph headwinds and having a consistent flight path...
But I agree a star firebird would be great, also looking forward to the star TL :)
DweLLeR
Feb 07 2006, 03:05 PM
Dweller, do you have a yellow star sl or a yellow pro sl? If you have a yellow Star sl, where did you get it?
I have a Star SL, I bought it from the TD at the Frozen Tundra Event I played in last week. I also bought, in Star, a Beast, a Sidewinder and a Wraith. The Beast is blue, the SL and the Wraith are yellow and the Sidewinder is red. All 175. Got a great deal on them as well. Thanks Brian! Discgofvalues.com seems to be the place to go. Seems over the years they get the new stuff before the east coast does. Call them for 'hands on color selection'.
davei
Feb 07 2006, 03:05 PM
Dave, on the courses you play right now, is there any wind? Cause there sure is here, where I play. Could really use some STAR Firebirds. My Champ ones are ok, but I could really use the extra grip. All the other star stuff made so far is understable, the wind is flipping the heck out of my star wraith. What gives? Why is all the understable stuff being made first?
Good question. Just worked out that way. The most stable disc we've made lately has been Star TeeBird and Star Starfire.
brock
Feb 07 2006, 05:48 PM
Hi Dave, great stuff in here.
tried the search, but couldn't find anything re:
do CE/candy and/or proline XDs exist?
the closest i've seen is a candy classic roc.
I putt with a soft XD, but want a more durable one for the woods.
thanks, Brock
davei
Feb 07 2006, 08:56 PM
Hi Dave, great stuff in here.
tried the search, but couldn't find anything re:
do CE/candy and/or proline XDs exist?
the closest i've seen is a candy classic roc.
I putt with a soft XD, but want a more durable one for the woods.
XDs just come in DX. If any other types exist, they were test shots or specials, that I can't recall. The closest disc to the XD in our line is the Classic Roc which comes in two plastic types; Champion and DX. Pro Classic Rocs have been around too, but there are very few left.
davei
Feb 07 2006, 08:59 PM
Dave,
I apologize if this has been asked before, but do you have a specific time table for the release of Star Tls?
The Star TLs are tentatively scheduled for March
prairie_dawg
Feb 07 2006, 10:51 PM
Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.
I'm sure the proto was out in early 1994, got one with the Circular Skies over TX Victoria stamp :D
That was in Feb or March of 94 i believe
AviarX
Feb 07 2006, 11:42 PM
The most stable [Star] disc we've made lately has been Star TeeBird and Star Starfire.
Dave, has the Star Starfire been released?
the_kid
Feb 07 2006, 11:43 PM
The SL is out and it is less understable then the Pro.
AviarX
Feb 08 2006, 12:00 AM
True, but SL is to Starfire what TL is to Teebird...
MARKB
Feb 08 2006, 12:30 AM
The SL is supposed to be the same mold as the pro starfire.
I would prefer a star version of the champion mold :)
davei
Feb 08 2006, 08:15 AM
The most stable [Star] disc we've made lately has been Star TeeBird and Star Starfire.
Dave, has the Star Starfire been released?
Ooops, I guess we haven't run that yet. I tested it, but we are running Starfire Ls, which are a little less stable. The Star Starfires will follow.
DweLLeR
Feb 08 2006, 11:46 AM
Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.
I have a Gazelle from the 96 Worlds held in my home town of South Bend. Its stamped "NEW" Gazelle.
I'm sure the proto was out in early 1994, got one with the Circular Skies over TX Victoria stamp :D
That was in Feb or March of 94 i believe
discndat
Feb 08 2006, 11:50 AM
Dave, is the stamp going to be STAR SX? Goes with STAR SL - and better than STAR Starfire - to me, anyway.
DSproAVIAR
Feb 08 2006, 12:01 PM
Dave, is the stamp going to be STAR SX? Goes with STAR SL - and better than STAR Starfire - to me, anyway.
3 Starfire molds-
SF (1st run, run as CFR)
SL (Run in Pro, CFR, and Star)
SX (Run as CFR at first, but released into regular Champion)
Dave- SL is already released in Star. Which other mold(s) will be released in Star?
I am confused.
brock
Feb 08 2006, 02:45 PM
Dave, what substance (or lack thereof) makes a disc float?
AviarX
Feb 08 2006, 04:20 PM
from 12/07/05:
Just to be clear; we decided to call the L version Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds, FLs, SLs, and TLs. The regular Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds will all be X type.
i like the name Star Starfire. it is a bit confusing though that the Pro Starfires are all SL's but say "Starfire'...
jeterdawg
Feb 08 2006, 04:25 PM
Wow, if there are both Firebird FL's AND FX's going to be run in the Star plastic, I'm definitely in heaven. I'll only need 3 driver molds (well, I guess names...) in my bag now: Star FX, Star FL, Star Wraith, and Sidewinder. Throw in a Roc and Aviar, and I'm set.
axis
Feb 08 2006, 04:31 PM
Greetings,
I was hoping for a Star Star like the song by the Rolling Stones!
Fly on,
Axis
davei
Feb 08 2006, 04:46 PM
Dave, is the stamp going to be STAR SX? Goes with STAR SL - and better than STAR Starfire - to me, anyway.
3 Starfire molds-
SF (1st run, run as CFR)
SL (Run in Pro, CFR, and Star)
SX (Run as CFR at first, but released into regular Champion)
Dave- SL is already released in Star. Which other mold(s) will be released in Star?
I am confused.
Only the current Starfire mold, which is the X type will be run, besides the SL. It will be referred to a the Star Starfire, which doesn't sound good, but is consistent. The first type Starfire will not be run again.
davei
Feb 08 2006, 04:50 PM
Dave, what substance (or lack thereof) makes a disc float?
It is a combination of a lack of a weighting agent and a specific gravity of less than 1.0 g/ccm. Water weighs 1gm/cubic centimeter. Only DX plastic floats, and only if there is no weighting agent.
veganray
Feb 08 2006, 04:58 PM
My 150g Ch. Vikings float in my pond, but its water is so slimy, its specific gravity is probably closer to 1.15 (that of tar).
AviarX
Feb 08 2006, 07:30 PM
Dave looks like the prototype for the T Rex has been discovered in China -- T Rex article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060208/ap_on_sc/t_rex_ancestor)
davei
Feb 08 2006, 08:29 PM
My 150g Ch. Vikings float in my pond, but its water is so slimy, its specific gravity is probably closer to 1.15 (that of tar).
There are other reasons why that disc might be floating, but it is true that heavily mineralized water can allow heavier discs to float. The Dead Sea, or Great Salt Lake might float a 160 gm Ch. Viking.
Big E
Feb 08 2006, 08:48 PM
did you say that the current pro starfire is not going to run anymore or are you talking about the champion? is the star starfire as stable as the star wraith?
davei
Feb 08 2006, 08:59 PM
did you say that the current pro starfire is not going to run anymore or are you talking about the champion? is the star starfire as stable as the star wraith?
The Pro Starfire will continue as long as demand continues. The Star Starfire is a little more high speed stable, but not as low speed overstable. It is more like a faster TeeBird.
AviarX
Feb 08 2006, 10:25 PM
Dave, in the above post do you mean the Star SL or the Star Starfire? :confused:
... SL: 10, 5, -1, 2
Wraith 11, 5, -1, 3
... Orc 10, 4, -1, 3
Starfire 10, 4, 0, 3
i was expecting the Star Starfire to me the most overstable of the above, as i find the Ch. Starfire to be more hi-speed stable than a Ch. Orc and every bit as low speed overstable (if not more -- which the chart seems to show too)...
http://innovadiscs.com/discs/ratings/speed-10a.gif
quickdisc
Feb 08 2006, 10:34 PM
Dave, in the above post do you mean the Star SL or the Star Starfire? :confused:
... SL: 10, 5, -1, 2
Wraith 11, 5, -1, 3
... Orc 10, 4, -1, 3
Starfire 10, 4, 0, 3
i was expecting the Star Starfire to me the most overstable of the above, as i find the Ch. Starfire to be more hi-speed stable than a Ch. Orc and every bit as low speed overstable (if not more -- which the chart seems to show too)...
http://innovadiscs.com/discs/ratings/speed-10a.gif
Hey Rob , I have thrown both and they are similar. The Star Starfire ( SL ) handles being beat up more than the Pro Starfire. They flatten out a bit then come back stable.
AviarX
Feb 08 2006, 10:39 PM
Ouch. Donny thanks but my whole thing is i think it is terribly confusing to speak of the Star SL as if it is a "Star Starfire". My guess is Dave meant SL but said Starfire. Others browsing the thread may get thrown off. or maybe i am too details oriented :p
saying Star Starfire-L would work though :D
quickdisc
Feb 08 2006, 10:46 PM
OK .....understood..............here is the link to Innova's site.
http://innovadiscs.com/
More specific !!!
http://innovadiscs.com/discs/starsl.html
Here is how it is stated , " About the SL or Starfire-L
The SL is a fast, dependable disc with a long straight flight and excellent glide. This disc can add measurable distance to your drives. With its quickness, slight high speed turn, long glide and low fade, the SL will fly a long way. The Pro version is called the Pro Starfire."
rocsteady
Feb 08 2006, 11:28 PM
Hmmm, The DX Wraith may float??? at least in light wts??
Greatzky2
Feb 08 2006, 11:59 PM
Dave: that's a great comparison with the Starfire-X and the Teebird.. Neither have too much high speed turn and nearly the same fade.. faster teebird would be dead on to me. :)
-Scott Lewis
davei
Feb 09 2006, 08:20 AM
Dave, in the above post do you mean the Star SL or the Star Starfire? :confused:
... SL: 10, 5, -1, 2
Wraith 11, 5, -1, 3
... Orc 10, 4, -1, 3
Starfire 10, 4, 0, 3
i was expecting the Star Starfire to me the most overstable of the above, as i find the Ch. Starfire to be more hi-speed stable than a Ch. Orc and every bit as low speed overstable (if not more -- which the chart seems to show too)...
http://innovadiscs.com/discs/ratings/speed-10a.gif
I meant the Star Starfire, which flies like a faster TeeBird. The SL is a straighter flier in that it has a little high speed turn with a moderate low speed overstability. The charts show the same number between the Wraith and Starfire, and they are similar, but I think the Wraith is slightly more low speed overstable as it doesn't turn more, but goes farther when it does. This is for both discs in Star plastic.
DSproAVIAR
Feb 09 2006, 11:10 AM
Awesome, all clear here. Thank you Dave, I still am waiting for my local disc retailer (In Flight!!) to stock Champion Starfires, and Star SL's. Let me tell you that the Pro SL has added considerable length to my long drive. I can now bust the 450' barrier pretty consistently. THANK YOU!!
20460chase
Feb 10 2006, 12:12 AM
Hallo Dave.
I got a disc the other day and Im not sure what it is. It is a blank black Ontario mold. 179g. It was advertised as a Proto Viper, but I dont think it is. I think its a Shark, but am not sure. It has the crease in the middle of the rim similar to a shark, but has a small bead. I have been comparing it to a Ontario Roc, but the bead is smaller. If it is a Shark was there a stampless release? Ive seen a disc called the 2500 or something close to that, and they were all blank, so I didnt know if this was one. Thanks.
cgoodwin
Feb 10 2006, 12:52 AM
Dave, is the stamp going to be STAR SX? Goes with STAR SL - and better than STAR Starfire - to me, anyway.
3 Starfire molds-
SF (1st run, run as CFR)
SL (Run in Pro, CFR, and Star)
SX (Run as CFR at first, but released into regular Champion)
Dave- SL is already released in Star. Which other mold(s) will be released in Star?
I am confused.
Only the current Starfire mold, which is the X type will be run, besides the SL. It will be referred to a the Star Starfire, which doesn't sound good, but is consistent. The first type Starfire will not be run again.
I have a purple Zonedriven Champion Starfire that has SF above the weight on the back. So would it be safe to say that this Starfire is from the very first mold that is no longer being made?
davei
Feb 10 2006, 08:08 AM
Hallo Dave.
I got a disc the other day and Im not sure what it is. It is a blank black Ontario mold. 179g. It was advertised as a Proto Viper, but I dont think it is. I think its a Shark, but am not sure. It has the crease in the middle of the rim similar to a shark, but has a small bead. I have been comparing it to a Ontario Roc, but the bead is smaller. If it is a Shark was there a stampless release? Ive seen a disc called the 2500 or something close to that, and they were all blank, so I didnt know if this was one. Thanks.
No Sharks had beads and no large diameter mids had small beads. The Cobra, Sentinel, and Roc had large beads. There was no blank Shark release. I don't remember the make up of the 2500 except that it was similar to a Hammer. I think I would have to see a picture, but offhand, it might be a poorly molded Ontario Roc that got through security.
davei
Feb 10 2006, 08:11 AM
Dave, is the stamp going to be STAR SX? Goes with STAR SL - and better than STAR Starfire - to me, anyway.
3 Starfire molds-
SF (1st run, run as CFR)
SL (Run in Pro, CFR, and Star)
SX (Run as CFR at first, but released into regular Champion)
Dave- SL is already released in Star. Which other mold(s) will be released in Star?
I am confused.
Only the current Starfire mold, which is the X type will be run, besides the SL. It will be referred to a the Star Starfire, which doesn't sound good, but is consistent. The first type Starfire will not be run again.
I have a purple Zonedriven Champion Starfire that has SF above the weight on the back. So would it be safe to say that this Starfire is from the very first mold that is no longer being made?
No, I don't think so. The only sure way is to look at the beveled edge. If it looks like a TeeBird, it's a regular Starfire. If it looks more filled in, (but not as filled as the SL) it's the first run.
flynvegas
Feb 10 2006, 10:36 AM
The 2500's I have are all blank yellow discs.
The Shark was released in a blank, in a mustard color. I got 5 from DTW the first week they were released.
20460chase
Feb 10 2006, 08:04 PM
The 2500's I have are all blank yellow discs.
The Shark was released in a blank, in a mustard color. I got 5 from DTW the first week they were released.
Thats all Ive seen is the Mustards. Ive only seen them, never held one. The disc itself doesnt appear to have any flaws, minor storage wear and some "its black and is DX" scratches. It really looks alot like a Shark, with the exception of the tiny bead.
tokyo
Feb 12 2006, 01:21 AM
Hey Dave are there any plans yet to come out with a more stable version of the champion wraith the wratih-x or something of that sort.
davei
Feb 12 2006, 11:48 AM
Hey Dave are there any plans yet to come out with a more stable version of the champion wraith the wratih-x or something of that sort.
Yes. Soon.
HFDS184
Feb 12 2006, 02:46 PM
Hey Dave are there any plans yet to come out with a more stable version of the champion wraith the wratih-x or something of that sort.
Yes. Soon.
Will it be a Wraith X or will it be something new? A Manitu, perhaps. :)
ChunkyleeChong
Feb 12 2006, 05:09 PM
Hey Dave, I see Star Aviars out now with tourney stamps. When will these be available in regular production?
davei
Feb 12 2006, 09:45 PM
Hey Dave are there any plans yet to come out with a more stable version of the champion wraith the wratih-x or something of that sort.
Yes. Soon.
It's a different disc that will fly essentially like a Wraith X
Will it be a Wraith X or will it be something new? A Manitu, perhaps. :)
davei
Feb 12 2006, 09:47 PM
Hey Dave, I see Star Aviars out now with tourney stamps. When will these be available in regular production?
Feb. 15, I think. I will have to chaeck Monday.
davei
Feb 12 2006, 09:48 PM
Hey Dave, I see Star Aviars out now with tourney stamps. When will these be available in regular production?
Feb. 15, I think. I will have to check Monday.
hawkgammon
Feb 12 2006, 09:51 PM
Dave,
It seems that larger midranges have more glide than the smaller diameter ones. Is this a general rule of thumb?
I tried a Coyote out today, and had great results with it. Now I need to decide if the Spider or the Shark compliments it best in the bag.
davei
Feb 12 2006, 09:54 PM
Dave,
It seems that larger midranges have more glide than the smaller diameter ones. Is this a general rule of thumb?
Yes. Small diameters are generally faster with less glide.
I tried a Coyote out today, and had great results with it. Now I need to decide if the Spider or the Shark compliments it best in the bag.
mf100forever
Feb 13 2006, 03:11 PM
Dave,
Orion LF = Wraith X ? True?
axis
Feb 13 2006, 03:48 PM
Greetings Dave,
Just got my new Innova catalogue and it is a beauty! Thanks. I also got a nice Valkyrie with VL on the bottom. Thanks!
I figure it used to say VK, and when the Viking was released with a VG on the bottom it may have caused confusion so the Valkyrie is now VL which it probably should have been all along. Is this right?
Or is it a Valkyrie with a Leopard bottom? (just kidding about the Leopard bottom).
Thanks,
Axis
davei
Feb 13 2006, 04:20 PM
Dave,
Orion LF = Wraith X ? True?
No, but there will be a similarity. The Orion's rim is not quite as wide.
davei
Feb 13 2006, 04:24 PM
Greetings Dave,
Just got my new Innova catalogue and it is a beauty! Thanks. I also got a nice Valkyrie with VL on the bottom. Thanks!
I figure it used to say VK, and when the Viking was released with a VG on the bottom it may have caused confusion so the Valkyrie is now VL which it probably should have been all along. Is this right?
Or is it a Valkyrie with a Leopard bottom? (just kidding about the Leopard bottom).
Thanks,
Axis
Yes, your supposition is correct. VL is the normal name now.
Furthur
Feb 13 2006, 05:53 PM
Dave,
Orion LF = Wraith X ? True?
No, but there will be a similarity. The Orion's rim is not quite as wide.
Would it be fair to compare the rim of the LF to the Starfire X then?
davei
Feb 13 2006, 08:34 PM
Dave,
Orion LF = Wraith X ? True?
No, but there will be a similarity. The Orion's rim is not quite as wide.
Would it be fair to compare the rim of the LF to the Starfire X then?
That's a closer comparison.
bschweberger
Feb 14 2006, 11:42 AM
Hi Mr Dave, Will there be a Star FX? If so when?
Thanks
Schweb
DSproAVIAR
Feb 14 2006, 12:04 PM
The demand is strong.
davei
Feb 14 2006, 12:33 PM
Hi Mr Dave, Will there be a Star FX? If so when?
Thanks
Schweb
I got yer viagra. It's a Star FX (Star Firebird). Hopefully, we will start in a few days.
accidentalROLLER
Feb 14 2006, 12:35 PM
no joke! even top 5 players are asking for them! that are sponsered by innova!
Dave, we need those star firebirds, BADLY!
AviarX
Feb 14 2006, 12:53 PM
no joke! even top 5 players are asking for them! that are sponsered by innova!
Dave, we need those star firebirds, BADLY!
wow, that could be a new source of income for Schweb. if you want a disc moved up on the STAR waiting list, pay Schweb to lobby Dave :o:D:D :p :D
Star Coyotes -- must have Star Coyotes -- ;)
Greatzky2
Feb 14 2006, 01:26 PM
We must Have Star Gremlins!!!
I"m switching over to DX when the weather gets warmer so it doesn't bother me either way, but if the only way for me to get a gremlin is to get one in Star then i'm ok with that.. i'll have a complete set :)
-Scott Lewis
davei
Feb 14 2006, 04:12 PM
We must Have Star Gremlins!!!
I"m switching over to DX when the weather gets warmer so it doesn't bother me either way, but if the only way for me to get a gremlin is to get one in Star then i'm ok with that.. i'll have a complete set :)
-Scott Lewis
Just tested the Star Gremlin. I really didn't know what to expect as I didn't throw Gremlins much. And when I did, it was a couple of years ago. That being said, it flew like a combination Roc/Gator. Stable at high speeds, with fairly good glide for a 175 diameter, and fairly good speed. It had fairly pronounced low speed overstability, like a stable Roc. I plan on testing the DX version soon too. This disc looks like a winner to me. Tentative numbers are 5, 3, 0, 3.
jeterdawg
Feb 14 2006, 04:17 PM
I can't think of a company that has a cooler R&D department than Innova (or I suppose the other disc manufacturers as well). What type of a testing log do you keep? Videos? Narratives? Tiny little transmitters on the top of the disc following the speed and flight path? Okay, so that's a bit much, but probably not in the near future...
esalazar
Feb 14 2006, 04:35 PM
Hi Mr Dave, Will there be a Star FX? If so when?
Thanks
Schweb
It's a Star FX (Star Firebird). Hopefully, we will start in a few days.
hurry hurry, please please!!! :D
veganray
Feb 14 2006, 04:58 PM
Just tested the Star Gremlin. I really didn't know what to expect as I didn't throw Gremlins much. And when I did, it was a couple of years ago. That being said, it flew like a combination Roc/Gator. Stable at high speeds, with fairly good glide for a 175 diameter, and fairly good speed. It had fairly pronounced low speed overstability, like a stable Roc. I plan on testing the DX version soon too. This disc looks like a winner to me. Tentative numbers are 5, 3, 0, 3.
WOOHOO!!! :D
davei
Feb 14 2006, 05:01 PM
I can't think of a company that has a cooler R&D department than Innova (or I suppose the other disc manufacturers as well). What type of a testing log do you keep? Videos? Narratives? Tiny little transmitters on the top of the disc following the speed and flight path? Okay, so that's a bit much, but probably not in the near future...
Testing is a lot more low tech than that. We are fortunate to have several former World and National Disc Golf champions on staff to do hands on testing both here and at disc golf courses. In addition, I have several people I use for testing parameters other than strict flight parameters. Also, our sponsored players are responsible for giving us feedback on new discs we send them. Basically, none of the testing involves numbers or calculations. It all involves opinion. The most important questions are: "Is it going into your bag?", and "If so why or if not why?".
hey Dave, i like to throw old XDs, was wondering if you could make some XDs in the soft avair-x plastic? thats the only plastic i can compare the older xd plastic with.
Luda
bschweberger
Feb 14 2006, 07:56 PM
Hi Mr Dave, Will there be a Star FX? If so when?
Thanks
Schweb
I got yer viagra. It's a Star FX (Star Firebird). Hopefully, we will start in a few days.
YESSSSSSSSS, I cant wait to start ripping into that great feeling flyer.
20460chase
Feb 14 2006, 10:16 PM
Just tested the Star Gremlin. I really didn't know what to expect as I didn't throw Gremlins much. And when I did, it was a couple of years ago. That being said, it flew like a combination Roc/Gator. Stable at high speeds, with fairly good glide for a 175 diameter, and fairly good speed. It had fairly pronounced low speed overstability, like a stable Roc. I plan on testing the DX version soon too. This disc looks like a winner to me. Tentative numbers are 5, 3, 0, 3.
WOOHOO!!! :D
X 2!
davei
Feb 15 2006, 08:22 AM
hey Dave, i like to throw old XDs, was wondering if you could make some XDs in the soft avair-x plastic? thats the only plastic i can compare the older xd plastic with.
Luda
We have been running softer XDs lately. The older XDs have been stiffer, so I guess I don't understand what you are saying.
flynvegas
Feb 15 2006, 09:56 AM
I didn't understand this either. The older XD's were very hard. I broke more of these than any other disc back in the day. That was my main driver in the mid 80's.
hawkgammon
Feb 15 2006, 10:21 AM
Star Coyotes -- must have Star Coyotes
I second that suggestion.