I hate to ask but I've read different things from different places...are the Pegasus discontinued??? I see them everywhere now but and I really don't want to get attached to a disc that I can only get in limited quantities ( kind of like the Hammers, Ontario Rocs, KC gazelles and Ravens).





.....or rams? Good thing Dave's going to run some by 2008 Worlds! :) ;)

.....or Gremlins?


Yes, it's true! This is an extremely limited release of CFR STAR Gremlins.
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/MSDGC/STARGremlin.jpg
Only a few boxes have been made and I have a limited number that are fundraisers for this year's 30th Virginia State Frisbee Tournament and its host, John Lee Pratt Memorial Park. Each comes with the Certificate of Authenticity and Sponsors Reward program entry.

I'm letting these go for $30 apiece (incl. shipping), all of which will go directly to the Park's basket/tee sign fund.

Be the 1st on your block to have (IMHO) innova's truest-flying midrange drive in their top-of-the-line plastic! PM me or email ray@tripledisc.com if you,re interested. I also have one on Ebay: CFR STAR Gremlin Frisbee disc golf (http://cgi.ebay.com/CFR-STAR-Gremlin-Frisbee-disc-golf_W0QQitemZ7231449257QQcategoryZ79804QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem)

Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires?



It's more like a Pro Starfire but it seems to fly farther than the regular run Pro Starfires I've bought. For me it flies straight but I started using mine only in the winter. That gold color is hard to find in the summer and I've almost lost mine a few times. It looks like a dirt spot on the ground and it's easy to overlook. I wouldn't want to throw it on a course like Jordan for example, Lehigh maybe.



Thanks for the heads-up, Chuck.

Sounds like I will need to pick up the Star SL and/or the upcoming Star Starfire (x) which will hopefully fly as far as my regular Pro Starfires, but come with increased durability.

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/hammer.JPG



Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.



So these
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer
(why do I have trouble getting images up?)
Look Here (http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer)
Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks



The material was responsible for everything. We don't have an archive with pictures, but Tim Selinske had archived quite a few of the hotstamps. I don't know where they are now. No archive of all the mold variations here, but there are collectors that have them.

Dave,
I've seen a lot of pink, yellow, and orange Coupe's over the years. How rare are the white Coupe's?
Thx



All of the Coupes are rare. Orange was the most prevalent, followed by yellow, I believe. White was the rarest by quite a bit.


Dave,
Were there any Coupe's made in the other colors Innova was using back then? I.E. Blue or purple? I have only seen 3 white Coupe's before.

Thx

I've got white, yellow, & orange (and flynvegas just fantastically traded for my OTHER white one), but no pink, and I'm not tickled about it. :p

Dave,
I've seen a lot of pink, yellow, and orange Coupe's over the years. How rare are the white Coupe's?
Thx



All of the Coupes are rare. Orange was the most prevalent, followed by yellow, I believe. White was the rarest by quite a bit.


Dave,
Were there any Coupe's made in the other colors Innova was using back then? I.E. Blue or purple? I have only seen 3 white Coupe's before.

Thx



I don't remember any other colors other than Magenta, Orange, Yellow, and a few White. Blue and purple were used for Aeros, but I don't remember them in Coupes

Magenta is pink, purplish, red

Magenta is pink, purplish, red


It's a man's pink: Deep Pink.

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:o

Why only 100 Des Disc :confused:

Dave I currently throw the Champ gator and the roc (dx,champ). I throw my rocs for dead on balls straight shots up to 280ft. When i need a mid range shot to absolutely finish left (RHBH) or windy up to 240ft i throw tha gator. In addition I'll throw a coyote in the bag for wooded courses or must turn over big annies up to 260ft.

Where would the goblin fall into this picture? and the gremlin? :)

BIG THANKS TO YOU DAVE FOR HOOKIN US UP! :D<font color="blue"> </font>

Dave,

Thank you for the Star FX. You da man!!

Hamm

Why only 100 Des Disc :confused:

We honored each of the 2005 Champions with this commemorative disc. Peter Shive, Dr. Rick, Dave Feldberg, Dean Tannock, and Des.

This was not an endorsement disc.

wow, only making 100 of each certainly makes them nice collectibles.

any chance on making a Zero Time World Champion Rob Johnston Orc? :eek: :D

Dave I currently throw the Champ gator and the roc (dx,champ). I throw my rocs for dead on balls straight shots up to 280ft. When i need a mid range shot to absolutely finish left (RHBH) or windy up to 240ft i throw tha gator. In addition I'll throw a coyote in the bag for wooded courses or must turn over big annies up to 260ft.

Where would the goblin fall into this picture? and the gremlin? :)

BIG THANKS TO YOU DAVE FOR HOOKIN US UP! :D<font color="blue"> </font>



The Goblin does some of the things you mentioned. It is not a replacement for the Gator. The Goblin is more a replacement for an Aviar driver. It is a little longer than an Aviar, but not as long as a Roc or Coyote. It is a good woods disc, and a pretty good putter. It holds its line on shots up to 280 ft straight or turnover. It holds a soft hyzer line unlike the Gator which holds a hard line.

The Gremlin probably does more of what you were describing. The Gremlin is pretty good 175 gm size substitute for a Roc/Coyote.

Magenta is pink, purplish, red


It's a man's pink: Deep Pink.



Sure your not Ron Jeremy?

Hey Dave. Rt from Texas, Do you think you guy's will ever run out of star plastic? And if they are durable for 5 year's or so, like the original CE. What avenue will your company take?
And is there better plastic for the future?
Thx for your time.

I would just like to comment on the whole dull and slick star plastic thing. I think the dull stuff is way better than the slick stuff. I would make them all dull if it were up to me and were possible. Sure maybe it doesnt look as nice but who cares. I throw my discs.



Personally, I only throw the red plastic. Some is shiny, some is dull, all is SWEET.

This is Innovas best plastic since the first 2 runs of CE. Im throwing TLs, SLs, Wraiths, and Teerexs.
No, I dont flip over the Teerex, I know how to throw.
Star Avairs are sick and are quickly becoming my favorite putter. I drove with these in BG..into headwinds.

HI Dave,

I had a couple questions. First, why is it that the Aviars now have only a single circle on the bottom as opposed to 2? (I mean the molding (?) cirlce the weight is written in on the bottom ) and why do they rule so much more than the double circles?
And... why does it seem that the Proto Teerexs ( red mainly ) have a different feel to them than the regular stamp versions? By this I mean in terms of stiffness and tack. The red Protos feel alot stiffer, and I never came close to flipping it except on a horrible forehand shot...it still came back, on a different fairway though.

Hey Dave. Rt from Texas, Do you think you guy's will ever run out of star plastic? And if they are durable for 5 year's or so, like the original CE. What avenue will your company take?
And is there better plastic for the future?
Thx for your time.



I hope we don't run out of plastic. I don't know how long they will last, but eventually they will wear out or end up at the bottom of a lake. I don't know if there will be a longer lasting plastic, but I believe something new is always on the horizon.

HI Dave,

I had a couple questions. First, why is it that the Aviars now have only a single circle on the bottom as opposed to 2? (I mean the molding (?) cirlce the weight is written in on the bottom ) and why do they rule so much more than the double circles?
And... why does it seem that the Proto Teerexs ( red mainly ) have a different feel to them than the regular stamp versions? By this I mean in terms of stiffness and tack. The red Protos feel alot stiffer, and I never came close to flipping it except on a horrible forehand shot...it still came back, on a different fairway though.



The Aviar rings are a vestige of an older system. They are still there but have worn down so as to be unnoticeable in one of the cores. Both of the cores are identical otherwise. As for the red color, or any other color of star; I don't know. I do know that different people feel different things with different colors. To me, this indicates an interaction with different skin types and grips such that some colors feel better to some players, and other colors feel better to other players.

Hi Dave,
Hey, any chance you will make the Viking in Star plastic? Sure would be cool if you did. Cheers!

Hi Dave,
Hey, any chance you will make the Viking in Star plastic? Sure would be cool if you did. Cheers!



Yes.

How many gremlins were run in star plastic ? and are they going to be run again in the future ?

Dave - does Innova have any plans to discontinue some of the disc lines out right now? Seems a new one comes out every week, but there are so many different ones out there now that a few could be discontinued - IMO

choice is bad? :confused:

choice is bad? :confused:




No, I don't think that at all. It just seems there are so many choices now that beginners could become very confused as to what they do and do not need and the market may become over-saturated with too many to choose from.

Here is the current list on their site:

Name Abbreviation
Aero S-AE
Archangel AA
Banshee B
Beast BST
Bulldog BL
Cheetah CH
Classic Cobra CC
Classic Roc CR
Cobra CO
Coyote CY
Eagle E
Eagle (less stable) EL
Firebird F
FL FL
Firebird (more stable) FX
Gator GT
Gazelle GZ
Goblin GO
Gremlin GR
Jaguar J
Leopard L
Millennium Aurora MF MF
Millennium Aurora MS MS
Millennium EXP EXP
Millennium JLS JLS
Millennium Polaris LF LF
Millennium Polaris LS LS
Millennium Quantum JLS QJLS
Millennium Quantum MS QMS
Millennium Quantum Omega Q
Millennium Omega Supersoft
Monster M
Orc O
Panther PA
Pegasus PG
Puma PM
Ram RAM
Raven RV
Rhyno RY
Roadrunner RR
Roc R
Shark SH
Sidewinder SW, SSW
SL SL, S-SL
Spider SP
Starfire SF
Stingray ST or SST
TeeBird T,TB, or STB
TeeRex TR, STR
TL aka TeeBird-L TL, TLS
Valkyrie VK or VL
Viking VG
Viper V
Whippet WX
Wolf W
Wraith WR

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/hammer.JPG



Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.



So these
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer
(why do I have trouble getting images up?)
Look Here (http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer)
Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks



It is a retooling between the "hammer and basket"-stamp and "Wedge"-stamp, it was retooled late 1988 according to Rick Neil. I made an comparison and The "Wedge" is a bit lower and and has a more concave rim.

Hi Dave,

Love the Tulsa Orcs. Will SB/Star Orcs be a regular production disc after Am Worlds, or will they continue to be a fundraiser only?

Thanks for the great discs and thanks for participating here!

Dave I'm with hoon I LOVE the SB ORC. Please KEEP IT AROUND.

Thanks Kjell
I can tell the Hammer &amp; Basket is more domed than the wedge and is obviously much stiffer, Dave said the differences were plastic related. Are you &amp; Rick N sure it was retooled instead?

ps I put the blue one up on ebay tonight about 10 Eastern Daylight time US. I bought a 25 box full when they were originally discontinued because I was using that and the original roc as main midrange approach discs and didn't want to be without.

any chance of a STAR leopard?

Thanks Kjell
I can tell the Hammer & Basket is more domed than the wedge and is obviously much stiffer, Dave said the differences were plastic related. Are you & Rick N sure it was retooled instead?




Yes sure, I have compared mine and they are different, the top may be the same (*), but the bottom part is much lower !

*/ As Dave says different plastic or colour can make the top more domey.

PS Good luck with the auctions!

How many gremlins were run in star plastic ? and are they going to be run again in the future ?



There were only a few hundred run. I don't know exactly how many. We will have them available for CFR if the demand is sufficient.

Dave - does Innova have any plans to discontinue some of the disc lines out right now? Seems a new one comes out every week, but there are so many different ones out there now that a few could be discontinued - IMO



The list has more than our regular line up. We are no longer carrying Millennium. They will be distributed by Millennium only. Several others are specialty only like Gremlins and Jaguars.

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/hammer.JPG



Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.



So these
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer
(why do I have trouble getting images up?)
Look Here (http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer)
Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks



It is a retooling between the "hammer and basket"-stamp and "Wedge"-stamp, it was retooled late 1988 according to Rick Neil. I made an comparison and The "Wedge" is a bit lower and and has a more concave rim.



There was no retooling. Any differences you see are due to molding and materials. There was a "new tooling" in 1988. The larger diameter Hammer.

Hi Dave,

Love the Tulsa Orcs. Will SB/Star Orcs be a regular production disc after Am Worlds, or will they continue to be a fundraiser only?

Thanks for the great discs and thanks for participating here!



They will be a regular production disc the next time we run them.

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/hammer.JPG



Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.



So these
http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer
(why do I have trouble getting images up?)
Look Here (http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer)
Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks



It is a retooling between the "hammer and basket"-stamp and "Wedge"-stamp, it was retooled late 1988 according to Rick Neil. I made an comparison and The "Wedge" is a bit lower and and has a more concave rim.



There was no retooling. Any differences you see are due to molding and materials. There was a "new tooling" in 1988. The larger diameter Hammer.



Ok Dave, was the large diameter also released with the Wedge stamp????
Have to check the disc at home tonight, was in a bit of a hurry last night, I didn�t check the diameter :o, sorry !

I thought the re tooling took the hammer from 21.2 to 21.7. Will have to look through several boxes to see it I have one of the first larger hammers. I know I have both original 21.2 roc &amp; early run 21.7 'new roc'. Both of the rocs have the same 'wings &amp; rings' hotstamp. It was great to be playing in those days when a new design was a dramatic change.
Thanks to you Dave for 25 years of design evolution.
Thanks to you both

I don't recall what stamp was on the first 21.7 Hammers. Sorry.

I will let you later tonight ;). No seriously, I will check my Hammers.

Dave, how about star leopards

I will let you later tonight ;). No seriously, I will check my Hammers.


I have a "Proto" of the first run larger diameter Hammer. It's yellow with a red mini Star stamp, just like the Sidewinder. Then, the next stamp was of the Hammerhead shark.

Dave, how about star leopards



They will happen, but they are still a way off for molding.

I will let you know later tonight ;). No seriously, I will check my Hammers.


I have a "Proto" of the first run larger diameter Hammer. It's yellow with a red mini Star stamp, just like the Sidewinder. Then, the next stamp was of the Hammerhead shark.



Well I checked them, and they are both 21,2 cm, as Dave says, it must have something to do with plastic,... probably cooling also?

I will let you know later tonight ;). No seriously, I will check my Hammers.


I have a "Proto" of the first run larger diameter Hammer. It's yellow with a red mini Star stamp, just like the Sidewinder. Then, the next stamp was of the Hammerhead shark.



Well I checked them, and they are both 21,2 cm, as Dave says, it must have something to do with plastic,... probably cooling also?



Mostly plastic, but yes cooling, running temperatures, pressures, speeds, etc.

I have one in white ,blue ,magenta and one in purple. The plastic is stiffer than the runs of XD or Original Rocs of that time. Hammers were a shallow rimed XD. Awesome driver for it's time !!!!!

http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/hammer.JPG

There was one run of XD's that were possibly stiffer. I have a white one with a mid west tourney hotstamp that is china plate stiff.

I also have a original really stiff XD. It maybe the first run Roc.
Super stiff and may break in cold weather. Has a oval Innova stamp across the center.

Also have a set of these with World country flags in a circle.

Also have a set of these with World country flags in a circle.



Cool
I have a few of the 'football' stamp original rocs and nothing I can remember was as stiff as this XD!. There was an identical one I threw (read broke) so I never let this one even see a course.

Also have a set of these with World country flags in a circle.



Cool
I have a few of the 'football' stamp original rocs and nothing I can remember was as stiff as this XD!. There was an identical one I threw (read broke) so I never let this one even see a course.



Your right !!!! Some called that oval stamp " Football" stamp.

That midrange disc has really gone through some changes.

The side by side comparisons of variations are ( correct me if im wrong )

The XD and the Ace.
The Classic Roc and the Hammer.
The Second phase Roc and the Hammerhead.
The New Roc and the Shark.

Do you remember the short lived Griffin ?

It was like a cross between the Whippet and Roc.

Dave, how about star leopards



They will happen, but they are still a way off for molding.

How far off? can you be a liTTle more specific....PLEASE....you good looking older man, you.

^ Schweb: the TThread Killa ^

i hear a rumor Climo and Schultz and Korver asked for Star Starfires, Coyotes, & Rams (hi troof) first! :eek: :p

i hear a rumor Climo and Schultz and Korver asked for Star Starfires, Coyotes, & Rams (hi troof) first! :eek: :p



Wake me up, I must be dreaming!!! The champ wants a RAM!
I'll sign one and send it to him, since Harold can't find anymore. Will that last him until you press more, Dave? :cool::D

Dave, how about star leopards



They will happen, but they are still a way off for molding.

How far off? can you be a liTTle more specific....PLEASE....you good looking older man, you.



I would love to be more specific big boy, but I can't. It could be anywhere from one month to six.

Dave,
Thanks for the new TeeRex. Very fast and stable. Kinda like the wraith and firebird combined.

Dave,
When do you expect the release of the new innova tour bag? anytime soon?

Dave,
When do you expect the release of the new innova tour bag? anytime soon?



We have two new bags coming out this year. The Champion bag is a brand new design and will be first around May. The redesigned Tour bag should be available around June.

What 150 class discs will you be throwing at the Japan Open? What adjustments do you make for throwing the lighter stuff?

What is going to be the difference between the new champion bag and the new tour bag?
Also thanks for all the new plastic, this stuff is amazing :D

What 150 class discs will you be throwing at the Japan Open? What adjustments do you make for throwing the lighter stuff?



That's a good question. I haven't gotten it together yet. It will be much different than two years ago. One huge difference will be the availability of DX plastic for our long drivers, the Wraith and the TeeRex, which will both be in my bag, I think. For short range and windy putting, I will take a Rhyno. I might use an Aviar too, but the Rhyno is probably better for me in 150-Class. DX TeeBirds always. A Goblin could be very useful for delicate approaches on the mounded landing areas close to OB. DX Coyote and Gator. I have tried the new DX Valkyrie and like it for long straights. Anyway, I need to try more discs than in the past, and I am leaning heavily toward DX.

I don't need to make any adjustment to my technique, but I am aware of the extra carry down wind and lack of penetration upwind. So I take those things into account when I plan my shots.

Some players need to adjust their technique to insure a clean (no flutter) and quick snap. For me, this is easier with 150 than with heavy. Without a quick clean snap, the lighter discs will turn over, especially into the wind.

Dave,
I'm looking for a stable to understable disc for an approach shot. I was thinking about getting a goblin, coyote, or a buzzz gt. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks,
Rizbeejr

Dave,
I'm looking for a stable to understable disc for an approach shot. I was thinking about getting a goblin, coyote, or a buzzz gt. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks,
Rizbeejr



Buy one for me too while you're at it!! ;)

No Panther on that list? ;)

Dave,
I'm looking for a stable to understable disc for an approach shot. I was thinking about getting a goblin, coyote, or a buzzz gt. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks,
Rizbeejr


I've got a buzzz you can have if you want it. Also beating the crap out of a Roc makes it an excellent approach disc. Comets are good too, they are like pre-beat Rocs in flight pattern, I've got a couple of those laying around if you want to test one of mine out too.

But if you are serious about getting the best approach disc I would suggest practicing with your putter. What do you and your dad do on monday afternoons? You guys should come down to field practice with us, we have been practicing approach shots, and distance! Randy comes down, maybe if your dad didn't wanna come down you could catch a ride with Randy?

G's right,
I feel either a nice putter or a super beat roc is my favorite turnover approach disc. The putter takes work, for it is more a finese disc than a power turnover shot.
I've been working with a champion aviar and have found that with enough "touch", it will go where you want.
Beating in a roc also has it's merit. You get to start with an overstable to stable midrange, and if you hit enough trees or baskets with it, it will also fly where you want, regardless of "touch". Try the dx glow rocs...best turnover disc for me....ever!!!!

Another couple of suggestions out-of-the-box are:

star stingray
panther
cobra
xd
classic roc

Give for the weights...the heavier the disc, the more "break-in" time needed...example: 175g xd will fly straight until it looks like a clamshell. 167g xd will fly like a max weight clamshell. ;)

Good luck and keep throwing Innova!!

dave, when can we expect the Dx Coyote out?

I'd get a few of those...

would they be more overstable, understable, or pretty much the same, relative to a champion one (which I have thrown and liked, but just not grippy enough for me)

thanks in advance- :D

dave, when can we expect the Dx Coyote out?

I'd get a few of those...

would they be more overstable, understable, or pretty much the same, relative to a champion one (which I have thrown and liked, but just not grippy enough for me)

thanks in advance- :D



Did you try the Glo Ch Coyote, very grippy!

Dave,
I'm looking for a stable to understable disc for an approach shot. I was thinking about getting a goblin, coyote, or a buzzz gt. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks,
Rizbeejr



Coyote for longer approaches. Goblin any range approach and putt.

dave, when can we expect the Dx Coyote out?

I'd get a few of those...

would they be more overstable, understable, or pretty much the same, relative to a champion one (which I have thrown and liked, but just not grippy enough for me)

thanks in advance- :D



The DX Coyote should be out in the next couple of weeks. The DX Coyote should start about the same or slightly more stable, but it will beat in over time to be slightly less stable than the Champion version.

thanks Dave, and mf100

I have tried a glow... but still too slippery when wet.

Dave,
I'm looking for a stable to understable disc for an approach shot. I was thinking about getting a goblin, coyote, or a buzzz gt. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks,
Rizbeejr



Didn't think Dave would recommend the Buzzzzzz. :o

Thanx everybody, I'll try the panther that I forgot about and my putter. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Coyote is the answer even if you're buzzzed :eek:

dave, at the tournament i was at this past weekend, the general consensus was that we need DX tee-rexes...not just want to try them out, but need them. please...

Dave, I just have to say the Champion Starfires are awesome. The CH along with a nicely seasoned CFR star stamp SX in my bag are my meal ticket. I can't wait for the Star SX. :)

PT Woods
# 20431

I just picked up 2 TeeRex's, a Star Firebird, and a DX Stingray that seems like it could be the new DX.
Has there been any runs of the Stingrays in the new DX?
The disc seems to have a more consistant dome and the plastic is glossier that my previous 5 DX Stingrays. It threw as expected - exagerated hyzer release to a slow right fade to a flat straight finish - GREAT DISC!
(I can't get the glide I need out of the Star Stingrays.)

Dave,
I have one white Champion Star stamped Ace proto. I've only seen one in white. How rare?
Thx

Dave
Is the plastic used in the Goblin going to be the standard DX fare across all new production?
Thanks

I just picked up 2 TeeRex's, a Star Firebird, and a DX Stingray that seems like it could be the new DX.
Has there been any runs of the Stingrays in the new DX?
The disc seems to have a more consistant dome and the plastic is glossier that my previous 5 DX Stingrays. It threw as expected - exagerated hyzer release to a slow right fade to a flat straight finish - GREAT DISC!
(I can't get the glide I need out of the Star Stingrays.)



It's possible that it is the new DX, but I don't know. We were experimenting with it a year ago, but had too many molding problems to solve before we went with it. We will definitely use the new DX next time we run Stingrays.

Dave,
I have one white Champion Star stamped Ace proto. I've only seen one in white. How rare?
Thx



Sorry, I don't know. You might try asking the East coast guys. They were the ones with the main distribution of Aces.

Dave
Is the plastic used in the Goblin going to be the standard DX fare across all new production?
Thanks



Yes, we have been ironing out production problems with it over the last year, but we are getting good results now.

Dave, how about star leopards



They will happen, but they are still a way off for molding.

How far off? can you be a liTTle more specific....PLEASE....you good looking older man, you.



I would love to be more specific big boy, but I can't. It could be anywhere from one month to six.

OK Dave, Thanks, I am really looking forward to the production of this disc.

Dave, I just have to say the Champion Starfires are awesome.



I totally agree. They are like longer Teebirds. This is the most predictable disc I have thrown for a distance driver (400' and over). For a little more distance and glide I love the new Champion Beast. The strange thing is that I have two 175g discs, one is very flippy (great for anhyzer drives, hyzer flips, and rollers), and the other is stable (like a StarSL or Champ Orc) and is a great golf distance disc. My question is which stability is intentional? I love the stable one, but I fear the flippy ones are more the norm. Great disc either way.

I have a Champion Orc at 147 grams.
You can throw high monster flex and it will come out of the turn at the end. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Fun disc.

Check the under side of the rim. Could be that one is the old Beast and one is the new Beast. The new Beast would most likely be the uinderstable one. The new Beast is like a Beast-L.

Check the under side of the rim. Could be that one is the old Beast and one is the new Beast. The new Beast would most likely be the uinderstable one. The new Beast is like a Beast-L.



I'm able to flip most all of the Champion Beasts.

I still throw the Dx Beast which is really stable.

I forgot Dave.
You had mentioned the release date or appox.release date of the Star Starfire ?

They are both the new beast mold.

I forgot Dave.
You had mentioned the release date or appox.release date of the Star Starfire ?



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Dave,
What is coming up next in the Star plastic?



Star Starfire (x) is up next, April 10.




April 10. yes! :D :D

Check the under side of the rim. Could be that one is the old Beast and one is the new Beast. The new Beast would most likely be the uinderstable one. The new Beast is like a Beast-L.



I'm able to flip most all of the Champion Beasts.

I still throw the Dx Beast which is really stable.



The original Pro Beast(pre-champ) and the Champ Beast(pre-barry) are my favorites. The rest seem easier to flip on me.

And my CFR Starfires are flying like a teebird too. The past month or so I have noticed this more and more. I throw it pretty flat and it flies straight with a fade at the end.

I might have to pick up a Firebird or a T-rex.

I also fell back in love with the sidewinder the past two weekends. I think I need to get one that isn't clear though. Kept trying to lose it this weekend.

The Champ gator(strangely) ended up being a great utility disc for me these past 2 weekends. It got me a 2 on a par 4 hole 2 weekends ago and this past weekend, I kept pulling it out for upshots where i had to throw a sidearm. I still can't throw this disc though backhand. I tend to hold on to it a little longer than I expect, but I think that is because of the shape of the rim(I have issues throwing putters as a driver too).

yeah, I too refell in love with the Champ Sidewinder again for the first time....

I threw the sickest longest roller Sunday. Renny Gold 18, from the teepad to the edge of "Lake Mullet". It also did a great job on Hole 2 and was the only disc I've gotten to the bottom of the ravine until I got a Star Wraith down there in practice.

I'm afraid if I lose it I won't be able to replace it. It's an original star stamp.

Dave, I just have to say the Champion Starfires are awesome.



I totally agree. They are like longer Teebirds. This is the most predictable disc I have thrown for a distance driver (400' and over). For a little more distance and glide I love the new Champion Beast. The strange thing is that I have two 175g discs, one is very flippy (great for anhyzer drives, hyzer flips, and rollers), and the other is stable (like a StarSL or Champ Orc) and is a great golf distance disc. My question is which stability is intentional? I love the stable one, but I fear the flippy ones are more the norm. Great disc either way.



The flippier one is intentional. The original one was too much like an Orc.

yeah, I too refell in love with the Champ Sidewinder again for the first time....

I threw the sickest longest roller Sunday. Renny Gold 18, from the teepad to the edge of "Lake Mullet". It also did a great job on Hole 2 and was the only disc I've gotten to the bottom of the ravine until I got a Star Wraith down there in practice.

I'm afraid if I lose it I won't be able to replace it. It's an original star stamp.



Yeah I threw my 'winder on hole 15 all 3 rounds and it gave me puts for 2s except for the third round. I should have thrown the CE Leopard in hindsite since there was a headwind blowing.

I also used it on Gold 10 on my second shot. My Roc put me about 60 feet from the turn, I pulled out the 'winder and threw a sky anhyzer and it landed on one of the two paths. If I hadn't ganked my upshot I would have made a 4 on that hole.

I tried throwing rollers on the open holes(11 and 12) but the wind kept screwing with them.

Dave
Please forgive the thread drift but I was convinced to put the only two 150 gm CE discs I have on ebay for those going to Japan. A very stable Leopard & a Valkerie. The auction ends tonight. I did not see a Japan thread so thought here would be the best place to mention such a specialty offering since someone ask you about your choices for the trip.
Also put up a new 175 Pro Line Gremlin. First time since Spring of '04 I've sold anything from my collection.
Please forgive me for this quick diversion.

Hi Dave, do you see any disc that wont be made in star that is a reguler in DX, pro, champion plastic?
Any plans to bring back some old discs in star plastic that have been disconnected?
Thanks.

Dave,

I got a few of the Golden State Star Gremlins and the bead on the bottom is a lot smaller than what is on the Champion Pro line Gremlin. Is this because of the plastic or has the mold be changed ?

I have same disc & it was my "go-to" crush driver until I got my 150-class DX Wraiths!

Hi Dave, do you see any disc that wont be made in star that is a reguler in DX, pro, champion plastic?
Any plans to bring back some old discs in star plastic that have been disconnected?
Thanks.



Several that won't make regular production, but might make the tournament fundraising section. XD, Polecat, Birdie are a few. We originally planned doing everything in Star, but with the new DX formula, we think it's unnecessary.

Dave,

I got a few of the Golden State Star Gremlins and the bead on the bottom is a lot smaller than what is on the Champion Pro line Gremlin. Is this because of the plastic or has the mold be changed ?



We used that configuration with Star to keep them straight flying. If we run DX Gremlins, it will be the big bead configuration.

Hi Dave,

I just wanted to say thanks for the Star Aviar and the new DX Aviars. I know you said there is no difference, but I disagree. These seem to hold longer glide than the previous aviars and are a little stiffer adding to the life. I love em. Single Circles!

Also, I know it doesnt matter at all, but I would like to see Chris Sprague on Team Champion. Ive known him for awhile, but this weekend he showed what a class act he is. He took time to help anyone he thought he could with minor technique flaws and every person came back and thanked him after the round. He also shot some of the best golf ( on the toughest course Ive ever played ) Ive ever seen. In my opinion, hes the kind of player your company should be showcasing.

Thanks again Dave.

Hi Dave,

I just wanted to say thanks for the Star Aviar and the new DX Aviars. I know you said there is no difference, but I disagree. These seem to hold longer glide than the previous aviars and are a little stiffer adding to the life. I love em. Single Circles!

Also, I know it doesnt matter at all, but I would like to see Chris Sprague on Team Champion. Ive known him for awhile, but this weekend he showed what a class act he is. He took time to help anyone he thought he could with minor technique flaws and every person came back and thanked him after the round. He also shot some of the best golf ( on the toughest course Ive ever played ) Ive ever seen. In my opinion, hes the kind of player your company should be showcasing.

Thanks again Dave.



Chris was real close to making it last year. I am pretty sure he's going to make it this year, and deserves to too.

On your website it said then Kenny C took 2nd @ the BGO, actuallyhe took third, justin bunnell of GDS took second.

Dave,
What will be the difference from the old tour bags and the new ones? Im holding out on the revolution bag cause i would prefer to buy an innova one!!!! what price do you expect it to be?

Dave,
What will be the difference from the old tour bags and the new ones? Im holding out on the revolution bag cause i would prefer to buy an innova one!!!! what price do you expect it to be?



Stitching and material will be the main difference. Also the top flap will be bigger to allow easier entry. Attachment points for Quad Shocks or whatever. Soft water bottle holders that are out of the way when not using them. I am not sure about the price, but imagine it will be similar to the previous version. You might want to check out the Champion bag. It's a new bag altogether with some nice features. The East Coast office is handling that one.

Whats the difference b/w the Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, and San Marino rocs? people are always talking like they are different then normal rocs.

I noticed today the Stingray I think is the new DX is the ontario mold.
It flies much more understable than the san marino one's I'm used to.
Is that the stingray mold that the star discs used?
Thanks,
Mike

Dave,

Could you give us an idea of what the order for STAR molding is looking like right now? I'm interested in a timeline for Sharks and coyotes. but i'm sure other people are wondering about everything else too. Thanks

: ) :

Whats the difference b/w the Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, and San Marino rocs? people are always talking like they are different then normal rocs.



There is no difference between the San Marino and Ontario Rocs other than the engraving and material used at the time. The material we had originally with the San Marilno era produced flatter and more stable Rocs, than the material we got in Ontario. The material we wanted was unavailable until a few years later. The Rancho Roc was built to offset the material difference that happened with the Ontario Roc era. Basically, the Rancho mold is a little more stable than the San Marino/Ontario.

Dave,

Could you give us an idea of what the order for STAR molding is looking like right now? I'm interested in a timeline for Sharks and coyotes. but i'm sure other people are wondering about everything else too. Thanks

: ) :



Star Starfire is molding now. The Coyote and Shark are in and making DX. After the DX run we will at least run an initial batch of Stars in each of those molds. We may not be able to run a general release yet, but they will be available for tournaments at least. We have run two limited runs of Star Classic Rocs and XDs. These were done as tournament discs for Santa Cruz Masters and Marshall Street DGC respectively who ordered them last year. Star FLs will be run after Firebirds, which are in now.

Dave,
I have a question about the Star SL. Isn't this mold supposed to be the same as the Starfire Pro? If so, why do all the Star SL's I have, have this small bead of plastic on the inside top edge of the rim? Is it supposed to be there, or is this flashing left from molding? And if they are supposed to be just like the Starfire Pro, is it ok to remove this edge material? I did it on one of my Star SL's and now if flies like I would expect an SL to fly.
Are there any other discs that this might be happening too? It seems like the inside edge of the Star Teebirds are very sharp, and rough on the fingers. What is legal as far as smoothing this edge down so it's not so sharp?

http://sopris.net/~jjmcmullen/images/SLRIM.jpg

I did notice that too Boneman.

I also noticed that about the SL. With that small bead, it really didn't fly like what I expected (which was similar to pro starfire), so I removed that small ridge and it flew much better. It doesn't really feel like a bead though; it's too sharp. It has to be from the molding of star plastic.

I noticed today the Stingray I think is the new DX is the ontario mold.
It flies much more understable than the san marino one's I'm used to.
Is that the stingray mold that the star discs used?
Thanks,
Mike



We used the Ontario Stingray mold for the Stars. Not sure about the DX.

Dave,
I have a question about the Star SL. Isn't this mold supposed to be the same as the Starfire Pro? If so, why do all the Star SL's I have, have this small bead of plastic on the inside top edge of the rim? Is it supposed to be there, or is this flashing left from molding? And if they are supposed to be just like the Starfire Pro, is it ok to remove this edge material? I did it on one of my Star SL's and now if flies like I would expect an SL to fly.
Are there any other discs that this might be happening too? It seems like the inside edge of the Star Teebirds are very sharp, and rough on the fingers. What is legal as far as smoothing this edge down so it's not so sharp?

http://sopris.net/~jjmcmullen/images/SLRIM.jpg



It may very well be a slight flash and you can smooth it out. Only excessive sanding is not allowed.

A billion thanx for the STAR Gremlin. Not only is the small-bead mold sucralose-sweet, but the slightly floppier, gummier STAR plastic held up grip-wise even in monsoon-like rain this weekend (but not quite as well as DX).

Also, a quintillion thanx for the CFR program. These CFR STAR Gremlins have basically paid for 2 new baskets & 7 or so tee signs at Pratt Park, helping to make VA States an even more incredible event (if that's possible)!

Keep up the great work, both technically & karmically. :D

Groovy, thanks Dave :cool:

Dave,

I bought a star firebird last weekend in wimberley...I really like the way they feel and fly. But I did notice a quarter sized dome on the top/center of the disc. Is this normal?

I'll try and get a pic of it tongiht and post it.

M_C,

Might be a fluke. I have a few Star Firebirds and none have that dome you're talking about. Weights were 172G, 173G and 174G

Hamm

Dave,

I bought a star firebird last weekend in wimberley...I really like the way they feel and fly. But I did notice a quarter sized dome on the top/center of the disc. Is this normal?

I'll try and get a pic of it tongiht and post it.





That little dome phenomenon does happen with Star from time to time. It is not in the mold, but rather an artifact of molding. Aside from making the disc more difficult to hotstamp, it does not hurt the flight. It is a slight overpacked condition which is much better than underpacked. Those, we have to scrap.

And if they are supposed to be just like the Starfire Pro, is it ok to remove this edge material? I did it on one of my Star SL's and now if flies like I would expect an SL to fly.




How did you remove the edge material on the Star SL? Mine also has this "bead" and I'd like to get rid of it to have the disc fly like the one I intended to buy.

Evil,
Try a diamond sander. I got one at my local big-box...pick your color, in the hardware section. It's a file sander that kicks the heck out of sandpaper, drywall sanding paper, or rotary tools.
I've also noticed that the Star plastic comes off easier than champion. Be gentle until you get the hang of it. Otherwise, it'll come off like pulling string cheese...mmmmmmm, string cheese aaaaugggggggggggggg!

Whats the difference b/w the Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, and San Marino rocs? people are always talking like they are different then normal rocs.



There is no difference between the San Marino and Ontario Rocs other than the engraving and material used at the time. The material we had originally with the San Marilno era produced flatter and more stable Rocs, than the material we got in Ontario. The material we wanted was unavailable until a few years later. The Rancho Roc was built to offset the material difference that happened with the Ontario Roc era. Basically, the Rancho mold is a little more stable than the San Marino/Ontario.



Is there a way to tell the difference in which one one might have?

Check the bottom and see where it was manufactored.

Whats the difference b/w the Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, and San Marino rocs? people are always talking like they are different then normal rocs.



There is no difference between the San Marino and Ontario Rocs other than the engraving and material used at the time. The material we had originally with the San Marilno era produced flatter and more stable Rocs, than the material we got in Ontario. The material we wanted was unavailable until a few years later. The Rancho Roc was built to offset the material difference that happened with the Ontario Roc era. Basically, the Rancho mold is a little more stable than the San Marino/Ontario.



Is there a way to tell the difference in which one one might have?



Reading the engraving used to be the way, but we can produce mixed versions now. If the engraving says Ontario, it is Ontarion. If the engraving says Rancho, it might be an Ontario type if the nose is fatter and there is more concavity in the beveled edge.

To remove flashing from the lower edge of discs, DON'T break out the Exacto knife or belt sander. Just rub the whole bottom of the disc on some carpet for a little while. The heat from friction makes the flashing come off very efficiently without the risk of damaging the disc. Try this on your Star SL. Pro/Champion Aviars also feel WAY better out of the hand if you do this. It is a great trick for any disc with unwanted flashing. You will be AMAZED by how smooth these discs can become!!!

Dave

Any Chances of A Star Rhyno anytime soon?

Dave

Any Chances of A Star Rhyno anytime soon?



possibly, but it couldn't be a full run. They would go into the tournament program for now.

Hey Dave,

Where are my Star Banshee's OOOHHhhhhhhhhhh

Dave, just wanted to thank you for the Star TL. Sweet disc. Keep up the good work.

Dave, I have a question about the new Millenium discs that I hope you can answer.
Was the Sirius Orion run from the same mold as the G4 Orions? I got a Sirius Orion (marked SOS) at World Doubles and the flight is more similar to the SOF than the original Orion.

Thanks,
Lou

Dave, I have a question about the new Millenium discs that I hope you can answer.
Was the Sirius Orion run from the same mold as the G4 Orions? I got a Sirius Orion (marked SOS) at World Doubles and the flight is more similar to the SOF than the original Orion.

Thanks,
Lou



We had that brought to our attention recently. We don't really know why it happened except that they are not the same. I flight tested both types and the G4 seemed to turn a little more, and wasn't quite as long.

are the Dx coyotes stamped yet?

Dave, I have my new roc, my champ roc, my stingray, and my slightly beat up roc. But I can't seem to find a midrange in between a slightly beat up roc and a stingray.

would the coyote or the goblin be a better substiture? :D

are the Dx coyotes stamped yet?

Dave, I have my new roc, my champ roc, my stingray, and my slightly beat up roc. But I can't seem to find a midrange in between a slightly beat up roc and a stingray.

would the coyote or the goblin be a better substiture? :D



definitely the Coyote. It feels and flies more like a beat Roc and will wear extra over time.

When will the Star Starfires come out?(not the SL), I saw the picture on the website, I like these better than wraiths because the rim feels better in my hand and they are more predictable

Perfect... and those are how far along???

I'll take a dozen! thanks :D

Discgolfvalues.com already has Star Starfires up for sale.

Star Eagle's? :cool:

Hey Dave, thanks for all you do!

I had a scare last week, losing both of my Ch. Whippets (luckily, I found one, and had the other returned to me). Since there was only one run of these, it is really hard to find (and pay for) replacements. Please, please give us STAR Whippets. Thanks again!

Please, please give us STAR Whippets. Thanks again!



Agreed. The CH Whippets are going for way too much on ebay. Plus I don't feel like shelling out nine bucks for shipping from the Great White Nort. (accent intended).

I really dig the Star line. I've got a Sidewinder in it. By far the best plastic Innova makes.

Dave, what discs have been put out already and what's next to be run in the new DX? Thanks.

Dave, what discs have been put out already and what's next to be run in the new DX? Thanks.



Quite a few models have been run or partial run already. Rocs, Beasts, and Orcs were partial run last year. Total runs have been Aviar putters, Valkyries, Wraiths, Coyotes, Eagles, Goblins. We are running Sharks and Leopards now.
Some of these will make it straight to distribution and some will be behind older stock. It's really hit and miss as to when they reach any particular geographic (market) area.

Please, please give us STAR Whippets. Thanks again!



Agreed. The CH Whippets are going for way too much on ebay. Plus I don't feel like shelling out nine bucks for shipping from the Great White Nort. (accent intended).

I really dig the Star line. I've got a Sidewinder in it. By far the best plastic Innova makes.



I feel like the "SuperFans" from SNL:
"Daaaaaaaaaaaaa Star Ram."

I would think that star plastic holds some possibility for the Ram, because I think the molding problem was that champion plastic was too dense to fill the Ram mold while weighing up correctly. The star T-rex is a massive mold with a very thick rim, yet still weighs up. So now the only problem is, why would they run the Ram just for one person? ;)

Dave - can you explain the difference between star and special blend rocs.

Hello Dave!

I was wondering if there was plans to make the Tee-Rex in Champion plastic? I just got an Email from Mark at Discgolfvalues, and it seems they have been made as a test. If so, can you tell us when to look for them (hopefully SOON!), and if they will be regular production or part of the CFR program.

For some reason, the STAR plastic just doesn't feel that great to me when I throw it... when I'm just admiring plastic on the shelves, it's great. But on the course, for me, I can't seem to get comfortable with it. Different strokes for different folks, of course. Please don't leave us Champ, Pro, and new DX lovers out in the cold.

The new DX Wraiths are excellent, by the way! Thanks for keeping us on the bleeding edge of disc tech!

Dave - can you explain the difference between star and special blend rocs.



The Stars were Rancho type and the Special Blend were Ontario type. The Stars were more overstable than the Special Blends which were straighter. This last part is my personal take, but I didn't throw them much. You could also ask others who have bought and thrown them, and Zonedriven, who was handling them for USDGC.

Dave, Has the Tee Rex-X been approved? Also has anyone been throwing them/ whats the word on the flight?

Hello Dave!

I was wondering if there was plans to make the Tee-Rex in Champion plastic? I just got an Email from Mark at Discgolfvalues, and it seems they have been made as a test. If so, can you tell us when to look for them (hopefully SOON!), and if they will be regular production or part of the CFR program.

For some reason, the STAR plastic just doesn't feel that great to me when I throw it... when I'm just admiring plastic on the shelves, it's great. But on the course, for me, I can't seem to get comfortable with it. Different strokes for different folks, of course. Please don't leave us Champ, Pro, and new DX lovers out in the cold.

The new DX Wraiths are excellent, by the way! Thanks for keeping us on the bleeding edge of disc tech!



We are not doing a regular run of Champion TeeRex's until we have time. We have run the DX TeeRex. We did do a test run of TeeRexx, but it was a small run, and I believe they were all Star. They didn't seem to be much more stable. There were a few of the proto run TeeRex's designated SS in champion, but no real numbers.

So the Tee-Rex is actually a Tee-Rex-L?

It is now.

Dave, you posted recently that DX Tee-Rexes have been run. When might these be available to those of us in the general public?

Dave, you posted recently that DX Tee-Rexes have been run. When might these be available to those of us in the general public?



Probably won't be available in our regular line for several months. Maybe by July.

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet). :D

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet). :D



:DThis made me laugh, and reminded me of another famous question ... What ... is the Airspeed Velocity ... (http://www.armory.com/swallow.html)

PS. I'm laughing with ya ... not at ya. :D

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet). :D



I'm not sure what you mean by old DX Cobra. If you mean old San Marino mold vs Ontario mold, I think the Ontario mold would tail off a little more than the San Marino. If you mean old DX material vs new DX, we haven't run the new DX in Cobra, yet but if we did, I would expect the tail to be relatively the same, but the high speed stability to be a little more. Right now, there are only DX, Pro and Champion available. They all start out pretty much the same, but the old DX will beat up faster than the Pro, which will beat up faster than the Champion. The Pro run starts out fairly stable, but will beat up to a turning disc. We will run Star Cobras at some point, and new DX. I expect both of these to be the best of the lot. The new DX is much more durable than the old, grippier and should form up to a good flyer. The Star should be similar to the Champion with a better grip.

Hi Dave,

I just purchased a Star Wraith (non fund-raising edition) from a local disc shoppe and the writing on the bottom was marked "SBWR" as to my others labeled "STWR". Is there a difference or was it Friday when this one was marked?
Thanks!!!

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:

http://innovadiscs.com/images/homepage_only/star_banner_04.gif
and also the very recently released

Star Starfire (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/starstarfire.html)

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs

Star Beast
Star Sidewinder
Star TeeBird
Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star

Star Wraith
Star SL
Star Aero
Star Aviar P&amp;A
Star <font color="red"> Coyote </font>
Star Starfire
Star TL
Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star

Star Aviar
Star Classic Roc
Star Eagle
Star <font color="green"> Firebird </font>
Star FL
Star Gator
Star Leopard
Star Orc
Star Rhyno
Star Spider
Star Shark
Star Viking

For Troof's sake:

Star Ram (tba) :D

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf)

It must just be a very large file, I was able to open it, but it did take about 10 or so minutes and I have a high speed connection.

It is a large file. I am working to create a more friendly spread (2 facing pages) based downloadable. Makes it easier to get certain sections without having to get the whole catalog.

Will be working on that next week.

Matt

The catalog (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf) is great! From the detailed descriptions of each disc to the discussion of the different plastics along with the charts and photos (the chart on page 27 is wonderful) and all of the tips thrown in the thing is a must read :D

i did have a question though :D

on the website, the Disc Comparison Chart (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/comparison.html) says:

that a Roadrunner has a fade of 1, while the catalog (page 13 and 27) says the Roadrunner has a fade of 2... is either one a typo or is the fade of a Roadrunner closer to 1.5?

Hi Dave,

I just purchased a Star Wraith (non fund-raising edition) from a local disc shoppe and the writing on the bottom was marked "SBWR" as to my others labeled "STWR". Is there a difference or was it Friday when this one was marked?
Thanks!!!



It was either Friday, or it was and early disc in the run.

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:

http://innovadiscs.com/images/homepage_only/star_banner_04.gif
and also the very recently released

Star Starfire (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/starstarfire.html)

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs

Star Beast
Star Sidewinder
Star TeeBird
Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star

Star Wraith
Star SL
Star Aero
Star Aviar P&A
Star <font color="red"> Coyote </font>
Star Starfire
Star TL
Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star

Star Aviar
Star Classic Roc
Star Eagle
Star <font color="green"> Firebird </font>
Star FL
Star Gator
Star Leopard
Star Orc
Star Rhyno
Star Spider
Star Shark
Star Viking

For Troof's sake:

Star Ram (tba) :D

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf)



This is pretty much it. The Star Classic Rocs have been made and are in Tournament Fund Raising for Masters Cup right now.

The catalog (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf) is great! From the detailed descriptions of each disc to the discussion of the different plastics along with the charts and photos (the chart on page 27 is wonderful) and all of the tips thrown in the thing is a must read :D

i did have a question though :D

on the website, the Disc Comparison Chart (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/comparison.html) says:

that a Roadrunner has a fade of 1, while the catalog (page 13 and 27) says the Roadrunner has a fade of 2... is either one a typo or is the fade of a Roadrunner closer to 1.5?



It is supposed to be 1, but it could be 1.5 as you pointed out. We didn't want to use fractions or decimals.

Dave
When will the Star Stingray be available again?
Thanks

Hi Dave,

I just purchased a Star Wraith (non fund-raising edition) from a local disc shoppe and the writing on the bottom was marked "SBWR" as to my others labeled "STWR". Is there a difference or was it Friday when this one was marked?
Thanks!!!



It was either Friday, or it was and early disc in the run.



:D Thanks Dave!!! Have a great Weekend!!

If you want one right now, there are lot of shops that have them !

Kjell
You have a PM.

Dave
When will the Star Stingray be available again?
Thanks



As soon as we can, but it probably won't make the market for a month or so.

Thanks
They have been rather popular in my neck of th' woods.

I really dig the Champ Stingbats.. how do the star stingbats compare????

Would hate to lose my last champ one and have no replacements.

-Scott Lewis

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.

From what i hear, the Star Stingrays are understable like a Stingray is designed to be. The out-of-production Champion Stingrays were anomalies that were much more stable than expected.

Dave, I noticed something funny with the neon green Star Wraiths. When you peel off the sticker that says "Star Wraith", the sticky back to the sticker is the same color as the disc! It haven't seen it happen with any other color of the SWR (or any other disc ever made), why does it happen?

I really dig the Champ Stingbats.. how do the star stingbats compare????

Would hate to lose my last champ one and have no replacements.

-Scott Lewis



It's my impression that the Star Stingrays turn more high speed. I didn't like the Champion myself, but that could have been a grip thing.

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.



I believe all the 11X were Rancho type. You can't tell by the dimple however. You have to look at the nose and beveled edge. The nose is blunter and the bevel is more concave on the Ontario type.

Dave, I noticed something funny with the neon green Star Wraiths. When you peel off the sticker that says "Star Wraith", the sticky back to the sticker is the same color as the disc! It haven't seen it happen with any other color of the SWR (or any other disc ever made), why does it happen?



I am not sure why it happened, but the sticker could have pulled some pigment out of the disc. Occasionally, pigment can actually bleed out of a disc, if too much is put in. Yellow and purple are the worst offenders.

Hi Dave,
I noticed the color bleeding on the original yellow Super Rocs, and most recently on the new purple Super Rocs. That purple gets on eveything! Is there any way to stop the bleeding?
Thanks,
Axis

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.



I believe all the 11X were Rancho type. You can't tell by the dimple however. You have to look at the nose and beveled edge. The nose is blunter and the bevel is more concave on the Ontario type.



Weren't all of the KC Rocs Rancho?

Hi Dave,
I noticed the color bleeding on the original yellow Super Rocs, and most recently on the new purple Super Rocs. That purple gets on eveything! Is there any way to stop the bleeding?
Thanks,
Axis



You can wash it. It will stop bleeding once the color load abates.

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.



I believe all the 11X were Rancho type. You can't tell by the dimple however. You have to look at the nose and beveled edge. The nose is blunter and the bevel is more concave on the Ontario type.



Weren't all of the KC Rocs Rancho?



They said Rancho, I believe, but there were two Ontario runs. I think they were 8X and 10X.

Hi Dave,
I noticed the color bleeding on the original yellow Super Rocs, and most recently on the new purple Super Rocs. That purple gets on eveything! Is there any way to stop the bleeding?
Thanks,
Axis



I have a couple of the original yellow super rocs from 1999 when they were first released.

Are these the ones you really mean? Rancho with that 'pookah' sound when you flex the flight plate?

http://www.geocities.com/foshildgc/Super_Roc_180a.jpg

They said Rancho, I believe, but there were two Ontario runs. I think they were 8X and 10X.



From the feel of the disc, I would've thought that the 9x's were Ontario. Did you also run the 8x and 10x in the (real) Rancho mold?

They said Rancho, I believe, but there were two Ontario runs. I think they were 8X and 10X.



From the feel of the disc, I would've thought that the 9x's were Ontario. Did you also run the 8x and 10x in the (real) Rancho mold?



I don't remember which runs were which, just that two were Ontario type. The first was when Kenny was an 8X champ, and the second was about 3 years ago. There were several runs of 10X so there could easily be Rancho and Ontario type 10X.

hey dave just for me and maybe a couple of other people, can you make some 8timers? yaa for sure. Oh yeah, i love the new dx plastic. How much is gas?

K

hey dave just for me and maybe a couple of other people, can you make some 8timers? yaa for sure. Oh yeah, i love the new dx plastic. How much is gas?

K



No more 8X ers. Sorry. Cheapest gas I've seen is $2.97 for 87 octane.

Dave, I noticed on HERODISC (http://www.herodisc.com/index.html) that some links show sections through the rim and plate of Innova discs:

http://www.herodisc.com/hp2003/discgolf/image/sec/dx_viking_sec.gif

Does Innova have anything like this buried somewhere on the website? If not, do you have any plans to? It is nice for comparison and getting a "feel" for the discs without actually touching them. Thanks

I am driving the Miata a lot more because of the price of gas. Its Like having a go cart!!! Just enough room for the discs and the girl.

Hey Dave
so do you view the teerex as the disc that Ken and Barry will be using now along with the teebird? What do they really throw these days. When I was at the memorial in AZ they all were throwing the wraith.

Dave, I've recently figured out that I like discs with skinnier rims. The Leopard especially, and then discs such as the Valkryie and TL. I think I prefer these because I have small hands. Can you give me some suggestions for other discs with similiar rims?

Is there a difference in flight of the floppy pro rhynos and the more stiff pro rhynos?

Picked up a floppy one this weekend at a tourny for the hell of it and i am loving it for approach shots.

Dave, I noticed on HERODISC (http://www.herodisc.com/index.html) that some links show sections through the rim and plate of Innova discs:

http://www.herodisc.com/hp2003/discgolf/image/sec/dx_viking_sec.gif

Does Innova have anything like this buried somewhere on the website? If not, do you have any plans to? It is nice for comparison and getting a "feel" for the discs without actually touching them. Thanks



No, we don't have anything like that, though I am fairly sure Herodiscs would give it to us if we wanted it. We have never thought it was particularly useful other than being interesting.

Hey Dave
so do you view the teerex as the disc that Ken and Barry will be using now along with the teebird? What do they really throw these days. When I was at the memorial in AZ they all were throwing the wraith.



As far as I know they are still throwing Wraiths. Neither of them throws much overstable stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no use for it, except for wind.

Dave, I've recently figured out that I like discs with skinnier rims. The Leopard especially, and then discs such as the Valkryie and TL. I think I prefer these because I have small hands. Can you give me some suggestions for other discs with similiar rims?



The Leopard has the same rim size as the Gazelle, Cheetah, Whippet. The TL is the same size as Eagle, Banshee, Teebird. The Valkyrie is the same size as Viking, Firebird, Sidewinder, and Roadrunner.

Is there a difference in flight of the floppy pro rhynos and the more stiff pro rhynos?

Picked up a floppy one this weekend at a tourny for the hell of it and i am loving it for approach shots.



I believe the floppy ones are straighter and the stiffer ones are a little more overstable.

Hey Dave
so do you view the teerex as the disc that Ken and Barry will be using now along with the teebird? What do they really throw these days. When I was at the memorial in AZ they all were throwing the wraith.



As far as I know they are still throwing Wraiths. Neither of them throws much overstable stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no use for it, except for wind.



Thanks Dave, the wraith is a great disc.

Yeah but the TeeRex rules into the wind, flies like an Orc into heavy winds. :D

Good morning Dave,
I saw a disc called a Pebble. Maybe a small forerunner of the Roc? It was a small diameter disc with a very pointy dome, not as pointy as Oblio's head in The Point, but pretty domey. Can you please tell us anything about it? Was it ever actually in production? How old is it? Can we get Star Pebbles? :)
Thanks,
Axis

I know where you can get some Fruity Pebbles! :D

Good morning Dave,
I saw a disc called a Pebble. Maybe a small forerunner of the Roc? It was a small diameter disc with a very pointy dome, not as pointy as Oblio's head in The Point, but pretty domey. Can you please tell us anything about it? Was it ever actually in production? How old is it? Can we get Star Pebbles? :)
Thanks,
Axis



The Pebble was a premium Classic Roc @ 95 gms. It was used for MTA, good for 14 sec + times. Star Pebbles would not be premium weight because of the plastic. Santa Cruz Masters has Star Classic Rocs.

Dave do you know anywhere that i could get a "Pebble"? I would love to MTA with a premie Classic Roc but noone seems to have any for sale. Mark i think had one but it was his and it would have taken a pretty penny to wrest it from him ... :(

Dave do you know anywhere that i could get a "Pebble"? I would love to MTA with a premie Classic Roc but noone seems to have any for sale. Mark i think had one but it was his and it would have taken a pretty penny to wrest it from him ... :(



If Mark can't get one, they probably don't exist here. You could try Discovering the World or Wright Life. They had them at some point. We do have MTA Roc, but they are the 180 size and weigh 113 gm.

The MTA Roc is too stable and too sharp-edged to compete with the MTA Condor for me. The pebble is something i would love to have to experiment with. What triggers the production of premie discs, and any chance to get a premie Coyote? (it seems like that might have MTA potential)?

Hey Dave,
Just wondering if there will be more Champion Wraith's on the way anytime soon and if they will be CFR's only or not? Thanks again!

Hey Dave,
Just wondering if there will be more Champion Wraith's on the way anytime soon and if they will be CFR's only or not? Thanks again!



In that Red Candy CE Plastic ? :eek: Oh my !!!!! :D

I have one Teebird and one Valkerie in that awesome plastic.

The MTA Roc is too stable and too sharp-edged to compete with the MTA Condor for me. The pebble is something i would love to have to experiment with. What triggers the production of premie discs, and any chance to get a premie Coyote? (it seems like that might have MTA potential)?



We do premies sometimes if we think we will need them. There hasn't been a call for Pebbles in a while. We just passed the window of opportunity for a sample run, which we could always offer to zonedriven or discgolfvalues or whoever wanted to stock some. I think the MTA Roc is a pretty good disc if it is made of the right plastic. The Coyote would be too heavy and probably wouldn't be overstable enough to dish out coming down.

Hey Dave,
Just wondering if there will be more Champion Wraith's on the way anytime soon and if they will be CFR's only or not? Thanks again!



We will release the Champion Wraiths when we can run a full run. Right now we are having difficulty stocking DX and Star Wraiths, so Champs are going to have to wait behind those. Probably two months.

Thanks Dave.

Dave'
I recently saw that there were a low quantity of TEE REX "X" was sold to the public. what were those disc for? is it true that they fly different than the TEE REX?

Dave'
I recently saw that there were a low quantity of TEE REX "X" was sold to the public. what were those disc for? is it true that they fly different than the TEE REX?


Stupidhead,

They're an overstable version of the TeeRex made in a limited quantity for a niche crowd from what I've read. For some reason it sounds like a longer firebird to me... but I guess I don't know for sure as I've not thrown it.


-Chris.

My question is are the TeeRex X's legal for PDGA play? Are they considered different discs than regular TeeRex's and therefore need their own approval or is it such a minor tweek to the mold that they are still considered just TeeRexs for this purpose.

My question is are the TeeRex X's legal for PDGA play? Are they considered different discs than regular TeeRex's and therefore need their own approval or is it such a minor tweek to the mold that they are still considered just TeeRexs for this purpose.



It's a minor tweak. They are still TeeRexes.

Stupidhead



Now that's comedy! :D:D

Dave,

Are the exp's pdga ok? I can't seem to find the pdga approval anywhere on the disc.

I'm thinking I've got some strokes to give my buddy if not! :eek:

Thanks!

BTW, love my champ rocs!!!


-TROOF

Hi Dave,

A couple of (older) Champion TL's have found their way to me, and i am pretty happy about it. I have the Star too, but they seem more slow speed overstable to me (and i like TL's when i need a very straight disc). Are there any plans to start making TL's in Champion?

hey Dave,

I bought a kc roc not too long ago and noticed it was missing the "eleven time disc golf world champion" or whatever it says around the bottom of the disc. just wondering if you knew why.

We do premies sometimes if we think we will need them. There hasn't been a call for Pebbles in a while. We just passed the window of opportunity for a sample run, which we could always offer to zonedriven or discgolfvalues or whoever wanted to stock some. I think the MTA Roc is a pretty good disc if it is made of the right plastic. The Coyote would be too heavy and probably wouldn't be overstable enough to dish out coming down.



Thanks for the lowdown on premies. How would you view the potential of a premie big bead Aviar for MTA? :eek: ;)

Dave, if you have some magic out there in Cali for my MTA game like you do for my disc golf game, then start selling me!!! I'm a willing buyer, and I need all the help I can get on the soccer fields - AviarX is always kicking my butt!

Bring on the premie Classic Roc's (or Pebbles, as you call them).

Stupidhead



Now that's comedy! :D:D

Dave,

Are the exp's pdga ok? I can't seem to find the pdga approval anywhere on the disc.

I'm thinking I've got some strokes to give my buddy if not! :eek:

Thanks!

BTW, love my champ rocs!!!


-TROOF



EXPs are Millennium discs and should be PDGA legal. I don't know why they aren't listed.

Hi Dave,

A couple of (older) Champion TL's have found their way to me, and i am pretty happy about it. I have the Star too, but they seem more slow speed overstable to me (and i like TL's when i need a very straight disc). Are there any plans to start making TL's in Champion?



Not at this time, sorry.

hey Dave,

I bought a kc roc not too long ago and noticed it was missing the "eleven time disc golf world champion" or whatever it says around the bottom of the disc. just wondering if you knew why.



That's the newer version of the hotstamp

We do premies sometimes if we think we will need them. There hasn't been a call for Pebbles in a while. We just passed the window of opportunity for a sample run, which we could always offer to zonedriven or discgolfvalues or whoever wanted to stock some. I think the MTA Roc is a pretty good disc if it is made of the right plastic. The Coyote would be too heavy and probably wouldn't be overstable enough to dish out coming down.



Thanks for the lowdown on premies. How would you view the potential of a premie big bead Aviar for MTA? :eek: ;)



Not good, needs more float and more low speed overstability. The pebble has really good potential, but takes an expert to throw properly.

Dave, if you have some magic out there in Cali for my MTA game like you do for my disc golf game, then start selling me!!! I'm a willing buyer, and I need all the help I can get on the soccer fields - AviarX is always kicking my butt!

Bring on the premie Classic Roc's (or Pebbles, as you call them).



The easiest disc to throw is the MTA Lynx if you could get one. They're extinct now. Some MTA Condors are acceptable replacements if they are domey enough. That being said, you can make most discs with the right weight to flight characteristic work if you throw them properly. The trick is to get them to flatten or "dish" up high and spiral slowly to the ground. My method was 11:00 back door with max nose down. Very little running, and very consistent 10 to 12 sec. times, with the rare 14 sec + time.

Stupidhead



Now that's comedy! :D:D

Dave,

Are the exp's pdga ok? I can't seem to find the pdga approval anywhere on the disc.

I'm thinking I've got some strokes to give my buddy if not! :eek:

Thanks!

BTW, love my champ rocs!!!


-TROOF



EXPs are Millennium discs and should be PDGA legal. I don't know why they aren't listed.



Look again, EXP�s are listed both in the PDGA-list and on the WFDF-site.

what about a tl or sidewinder in dx?

Will star rocs be made any time soon?

Is the original (1x) Beast mold ever going to be available in Star plastic?

Star Rocs were produced already this year as a fundraiser for the USDGC. THey were part of the CE roc discs from this year.. Look and see if zonedriven.com has any left.. if not check ebay.

-Scott Lewis

what about a tl or sidewinder in dx?



The DX Sidewinder will happen at some point. The DX TL probably won't.

Is the original (1x) Beast mold ever going to be available in Star plastic?



Probably, but it will go into the CFR program. For our regular line, it is too similar to the Orc.

DX sidewinder, WOW!!!!!! :D

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:

http://innovadiscs.com/images/homepage_only/star_banner_04.gif
and also the very recently released

Star Starfire (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/starstarfire.html)

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs

Star Beast
Star Sidewinder
Star TeeBird
Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star

Star Wraith
Star SL
Star Aero
Star Aviar P&A
Star <font color="red"> Coyote </font>
Star Starfire
Star TL
Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star

Star Aviar
Star Classic Roc
Star Eagle
Star <font color="green"> Firebird </font>
Star FL
Star Gator
Star Leopard
Star Orc
Star Rhyno
Star Spider
Star Shark
Star Viking

For Troof's sake:

Star Ram (tba) :D

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf)



This is pretty much it. The Star Classic Rocs have been made and are in Tournament Fund Raising for Masters Cup right now.



Dave, is there any chance you could squeeze the monster into the mix somewhere?

Dave:

I have recently been throwing the Star TeeBird and the Star TL. I am enjoying the discs and plastics, and I can't help but think that the Star Leopard would compliment these two very nicely. Please to be forgiving if this has been asked, but is there a timeline for the production of a Star Leopard? Thanks.

Hey Dave,
Any timeframe on the DX teerex?

thanks!

Would be interresting to see the stamp on that one, my 4year old sun will love it, he is into dinosaurs at the moment!

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:

http://innovadiscs.com/images/homepage_only/star_banner_04.gif
and also the very recently released

Star Starfire (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/starstarfire.html)

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs

Star Beast
Star Sidewinder
Star TeeBird
Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star

Star Wraith
Star SL
Star Aero
Star Aviar P&A
Star <font color="red"> Coyote </font>
Star Starfire
Star TL
Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star

Star Aviar
Star Classic Roc
Star Eagle
Star <font color="green"> Firebird </font>
Star FL
Star Gator
Star Leopard
Star Orc
Star Rhyno
Star Spider
Star Shark
Star Viking

For Troof's sake:

Star Ram (tba) :D

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here (http://innovadiscs.com/catalog06/2006.pdf)



This is pretty much it. The Star Classic Rocs have been made and are in Tournament Fund Raising for Masters Cup right now.



Dave, is there any chance you could squeeze the monster into the mix somewhere?



I was also hoping to see the Star Whippet !!!!! :D

Yes, Star Monster will get squeezed in somewhere.

Dave:

I have recently been throwing the Star TeeBird and the Star TL. I am enjoying the discs and plastics, and I can't help but think that the Star Leopard would compliment these two very nicely. Please to be forgiving if this has been asked, but is there a timeline for the production of a Star Leopard? Thanks.



Star Leopard will happen, but not for several months.

Hi Dave,

A couple of (older) Champion TL's have found their way to me, and i am pretty happy about it. I have the Star too, but they seem more slow speed overstable to me (and i like TL's when i need a very straight disc). Are there any plans to start making TL's in Champion?



Not at this time, sorry.



Are Champion TL's still offered as a fundraiser disc? Also, are others finding the Star TL's have more fade than Champ, or do you think i may just need to break them in?

Hey Dave,
Any timeframe on the DX teerex?

thanks!



A small run has been done already. I don't know when the full run will be made. I think the first run is available for tournaments. If not, it should be.

Hi Dave,

A couple of (older) Champion TL's have found their way to me, and i am pretty happy about it. I have the Star too, but they seem more slow speed overstable to me (and i like TL's when i need a very straight disc). Are there any plans to start making TL's in Champion?



Not at this time, sorry.



Are Champion TL's still offered as a fundraiser disc? Also, are others finding the Star TL's have more fade than Champ, or do you think i may just need to break them in?



I think Champion TLs are still available for tournaments. I don't know if the Stars have more fade or not. I know they fly pretty straight. They might be more high speed stable than the Champion version.

Yes, Star Monster will get squeezed in somewhere.



THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU

Hey dave,
Do you know why the Star gremlins(the ones with the Golden state classic stamp at least) ARe beadless and all my Proline Gremlins are Big beaded??
I was hoping that the star discs would be replicas of the Prolines, but these have a different feel.

Please fill me in.

-Scott Lewis

Dave answered this earlier in the thread(but the thread is so long that it is hard to keep up)....

He said the reason why they are different molds is so that they will fly the same IIRC

Hey dave,
Do you know why the Star gremlins(the ones with the Golden state classic stamp at least) ARe beadless and all my Proline Gremlins are Big beaded??
I was hoping that the star discs would be replicas of the Prolines, but these have a different feel.

Please fill me in.

-Scott Lewis



Basically it is the L version of the Gremlin. The Star is more overstable than the DX for some reason. We thought the Star would be too overstable. The DX doesn't work in the L version, but works fine in the X version. We will probably do the X version in Star next time.

STAR "Gremlin-L"s are a perfect fit for Gremlin lovers, falling (in overstability) right between a seasoned DX Gremlin & a Proline Gremlin. I adore mine!

When STAR "Gremlin-X"s are run (lemme know, Dave), I might just be able to jettison my Whippet.

STAR "Gremlin-L"s are a perfect fit for Gremlin lovers, falling (in overstability) right between a seasoned DX Gremlin & a Proline Gremlin.


That's good to hear. I was very disappointed with my ProLine (Champion) Gremlins when they first came out because they flew nothing like a Ching Sniper.