Thanks for the response Dave. I am guessing like me you are either using a JK Aviar-x or a Coyote in those situations. i used to strictly throw straight at the target but in some situations the other approach is beginning to seem the better choice, and i like your situational, rather than prescriptive, answer. :D

Has the 190g+ DX condors been discontinued :(

Has the 190g+ DX condors been discontinued :(



In normal stock, yes. It will be run on an infrequent basis as several players I know use it for thumber rollers.

In the span of 24 hours, I managed to
buy a new 168g Champion SW
lose my year old 171g Champion SW and
buy a new 171g STAR SW
(in that order)

Now. Is it me, the weight, or the plastic. I have thrown both as my primary driver for 18 holes. The STAR SW seems to have more hyzer on the end of the drive. And it doesn't seem to hold the anny line for as long.

If I'm not crazy, then will the STAR SW eventually become more like the Champion and hold the anny line longer.

(I throw line-drive style tee shots and my SW distance on the course is between 270' and 300'.)

It's making my choice of "go-to" disc hard :)

Dave, I recently purchased an early Innova Target from a friend. It has a DGA Base on it. He remembers it originaly had a wooden base. Is that possible? I figured it had a green cone / mound. It has threaded pipe, 18 chains on 18 spokes, yellow tapered bottom of basket (like on the "crush your buddies" poster). He may have won it around 1997. I would like to put it back to original as a classic. Thanks.

I've got the two original Innova baskets. One is like a garbage can, all plastic. The other has a steel cage [top & bottom] the pole was plumbing tubes with a toilet inlet screwed to a wood base. These came with plastic tubes, no chains.

In the span of 24 hours, I managed to
buy a new 168g Champion SW
lose my year old 171g Champion SW and
buy a new 171g STAR SW
(in that order)

Now. Is it me, the weight, or the plastic. I have thrown both as my primary driver for 18 holes. The STAR SW seems to have more hyzer on the end of the drive. And it doesn't seem to hold the anny line for as long.

If I'm not crazy, then will the STAR SW eventually become more like the Champion and hold the anny line longer.

(I throw line-drive style tee shots and my SW distance on the course is between 270' and 300'.)

It's making my choice of "go-to" disc hard :)



I noticed that the Star Sidewinders seem to be a bit more stable to start. They will eventually wear in to hold the turn longer.

Dave, I recently purchased an early Innova Target from a friend. It has a DGA Base on it. He remembers it originaly had a wooden base. Is that possible? I figured it had a green cone / mound. It has threaded pipe, 18 chains on 18 spokes, yellow tapered bottom of basket (like on the "crush your buddies" poster). He may have won it around 1997. I would like to put it back to original as a classic. Thanks.



The originals may have had a threaded wooden base, but that was not for long. The threaded green metal base took over fairly soon. Now the base is a wire type base. The yellow tray has been replaced with a deeper galvanized one.

Dave,

I just wanted to point out how an excellent job you are doing following up with all these questions, concerns and requests.

I also would like to add how well Innova has been pumping out the star line discs in a fast pace.

Love the star wraith, firebird and coyote!!

Thanks again from all of us!!

Josh

Has the 190g+ DX condors been discontinued :(



In normal stock, yes. It will be run on an infrequent basis as several players I know use it for thumber rollers.



What about those players you know that love other "discontinued" molds? :D

Any short runs of Rams in the future? ;) :D

Has the 190g+ DX condors been discontinued :(



In normal stock, yes. It will be run on an infrequent basis as several players I know use it for thumber rollers.



What about those players you know that love other "discontinued" molds? :D

Any short runs of Rams in the future? ;) :D



Yes, any disc that still exists, and has any significant following, we will try to do short runs when we can.

Hi, will there be any Star FL?

thanks.

Hi, will there be any Star FL?

thanks.



Yes, but I don't know when yet.

I'm starting a movement....what numbers do you need to see? You can PM me if you don't want your secrets revealed! ;)
The RAM is the disc that is going to propel me to tour status! :D

Thanks, Dave, for putting up with my BS! :D

In the span of 24 hours, I managed to
buy a new 168g Champion SW
lose my year old 171g Champion SW and
buy a new 171g STAR SW
(in that order)

Now. Is it me, the weight, or the plastic. I have thrown both as my primary driver for 18 holes. The STAR SW seems to have more hyzer on the end of the drive. And it doesn't seem to hold the anny line for as long.

If I'm not crazy, then will the STAR SW eventually become more like the Champion and hold the anny line longer.

(I throw line-drive style tee shots and my SW distance on the course is between 270' and 300'.)

It's making my choice of "go-to" disc hard :)



I noticed that the Star Sidewinders seem to be a bit more stable to start. They will eventually wear in to hold the turn longer.



That will be sweeeeeet.

Is there any plan's on making a new type of disc?

Is there any plan's on making a new type of disc?



We are presently making the Hobbit, a longer flying Goblin like disc. This disc will fit between a Shark and a Coyote for flight characteristics, but is a 175 gm max instead of 180 gm max.

I think many thought for sure that would be a Millennium disc... :cool:

I think many thought for sure that would be a Millennium disc... :cool:



chuck's best post ever?

Is it possible that after the generic star stamp, the disc logo might be... no it couldn't possibly be... they wouldn't do it would they... well Abe did make it on the penny...

Too many possibilities for marketing such as a poster with a nun tossing the new disc with the caption, "Get into the Hobbit of disc golf"

(I'm sorry, it's just a weird Tuesday)

hey Dave I want a Coda Hatfield poster to hang on my wall or maybe a life size cut out, how bout it.

Why would you want that? :confused:

hey Dave I want a Coda Hatfield poster to hang on my wall or maybe a life size cut out, how bout it.



good grief here we go.

Looks like somebody has a crush.
Dave, I want a full size Valerie Jenkins Poster!

Well I m going to ask Gateway for the same thing of Jared! :)

I have a "full" size poster of Val .
When she was at 05 worlds in PA , a freind of mine took a pic of her and blew it up as big as he could .
Also got a pic of the top five women of last years worlds

I ve changed my mind I want that picture! :)

What were the years that CE discs were produced? I recently scored an unmarked 2003 generic Ice Bowl stamped driver (likely made in '02)...and I believe it to be a CE TL...could it be? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i had one of those. it was a TL, but i believe it was champion plastic, which is basically the same as ce, except for the 1st [most durable and hard/stiff] and 2nd [softer, much less durable] runs.

Dave im ready for Frodo give it to me!!!

What were the years that CE discs were produced? I recently scored an unmarked 2003 generic Ice Bowl stamped driver (likely made in '02)...and I believe it to be a CE TL...could it be? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



2000, 2001

i had one of those. it was a TL, but i believe it was champion plastic, which is basically the same as ce, except for the 1st [most durable and hard/stiff] and 2nd [softer, much less durable] runs.


Were these Ice Bowl TL's CFRs...as in $25?

Hi Dave,

Any words on the Star Leopard and Star Whippets?

Thanks!

Hi Dave,

Any words on the Star Leopard and Star Whippets?

Thanks!



Star Leopard are being made now. Star Whippets have been moved back. Don't know when we are going to get to them.

Thanks Dave. How about a Star Banshee? I could get by without a Whippet if those were thrown into play.


Anything you can do to make those Leopards a little more flat like the old CE and not domey like the clear CE or Champion would be very appreciated. The first few runs of CE Leopards are the bomb. IMO, you havent had a Leopard since.

Just my opinion, but I think the newer Leopards are way to much like TLs or QJLS'. Thanks again Dave, and I dont mean to sound rude. Its print.

Agreed! The flat CE and SE leopards are amazing. Put the Champion and Pro to shame.

Dave,
Does Innova retain records of when specific molds were released? I ask this question because we are planning a twenty-year anniversary tournament for a local course and would like to limit discs used in the tournament to what was available when the course was installed. So if you can, please let me know what Innova discs were available in 1986.
Thanks

my ice bowl tl's [ i bought 2] were mixed in with the other ice bowl discs. nobody noticed them but me, and they were only 14$ or so.

Dave,
Does Innova retain records of when specific molds were released? I ask this question because we are planning a twenty-year anniversary tournament for a local course and would like to limit discs used in the tournament to what was available when the course was installed. So if you can, please let me know what Innova discs were available in 1986.
Thanks




Thats a great idea. Might be tough to pull off, but very cool.

It will be a local event and most of the players we expect to attend are old-timers. We will have some 1986 vintage discs with special hot stamps available to those who don�t have old discs in their collection.

hey dave just curious how the new tour bags are coming along as was curious if you had any picts? thanks...

Dave,
Does Innova retain records of when specific molds were released? I ask this question because we are planning a twenty-year anniversary tournament for a local course and would like to limit discs used in the tournament to what was available when the course was installed. So if you can, please let me know what Innova discs were available in 1986.
Thanks



I remember old print out lists of discs legal (including weights) for PDGA play in a certain year. Believe it was from the technical standards committee. Maybe there are archives there.

http://www.pdga.com/documents/tech_standards/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf

Try that. It has at least the year if not the day month and year. I seen some Innova discs there that were in the mid 80's. Take a look. Hope that helps.

Josh

Dave,
Does Innova retain records of when specific molds were released? I ask this question because we are planning a twenty-year anniversary tournament for a local course and would like to limit discs used in the tournament to what was available when the course was installed. So if you can, please let me know what Innova discs were available in 1986.
Thanks



I believe the PDGA has a listing of most of the dates of golf discs. The first Eagle, Aero, Aviar, XD, Coupe were all before 1985. The original Hammer, and Ace, and Original Roc and Stingray were probably close.

hey dave just curious how the new tour bags are coming along as was curious if you had any picts? thanks...



They are supposed to be soon. I haven't seen them yet, but the East Coast office may have them.

I called the east coast yesterday and they said the bags were delayed for a month or so because they were not happy with the materials:(

Dave i just got a star monster and when i throw it. it flies way farther and strighter for longer then my champing monster.. they are the same weight .. why is this

Never mind bout the Coda poster cause he didn't even sign up for worlds I dont want his poster.

Dave i just got a star monster and when i throw it. it flies way farther and strighter for longer then my champing monster.. they are the same weight .. why is this



Your Champion Monster may be the X type. The original Champion Monsters were L type. We did one run of Champion Monsters that were X type, then we went back to the original as we felt it was more useful. The Stars are L type too.

Dave,
You da man!
Have a great Weekend!

BTW, I'm playing this weekend in my company's annual golf outing and I'm bringing some Star Wraiths to show off!
I'll show those funny pant-wearing mofo's what REAL golf is!!! :D

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:



Actually the Hobbit is more putter like, but faster. It's already approved and should be out soon.

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:



Actually the Hobbit is more putter like, but faster. It's already approved and should be out soon.



Faster than a goblin, or similar speed to a goblin with different flight characteristics?

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:



Actually the Hobbit is more putter like, but faster. It's already approved and should be out soon.



Faster than a goblin, or similar speed to a goblin with different flight characteristics?



faster than a Goblin with a similar flight characteristic otherwise.

I just got a star XD from Marshall Street and couldn't help noticing how similar the shape is to my champion classic rocs (The only difference I can see is a small bead)
Was the mold tweaked at all or was the DX XD that I'm used to seeing the mold that differed?

I just got a star XD from Marshall Street and couldn't help noticing how similar the shape is to my champion classic rocs (The only difference I can see is a small bead)
Was the mold tweaked at all or was the DX XD that I'm used to seeing the mold that differed?



The more stable of the two XD versions was used.

Is the new champ monster mold a one-run deal?

Hi Dave,


Hows it looking on those flat top Star Leopards? I lost another flat topped CE, so am keeping my fingers crossed.

Is the new champ monster mold a one-run deal?



The X type was a one run deal.

Hi Dave,


Hows it looking on those flat top Star Leopards? I lost another flat topped CE, so am keeping my fingers crossed.



I'm not sure what a flat top looks like. The Star Leopards have been runnin for a while now. There is a flat spot on top, but I wouldn't call them flat.

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:



Actually the Hobbit is more putter like, but faster. It's already approved and should be out soon.



Is this new disc , The Hobbit , Aviar like ?

Dave,

How do you hope to achieve the carry of a larger diameter disc with the Hobbit? More speed with a driver-like wing? More glide with a convex rim? Or something else altogether? BTW, the Star Coyote once broken in is the truest mid I've ever thrown. Thanks again. :cool:



Actually the Hobbit is more putter like, but faster. It's already approved and should be out soon.



Is this new disc , The Hobbit , Aviar like ?



It has a flight characteristic like an Aviar, but it goes farther. It looks more like a small Aero and/or a Goblin. And, we have changed the name.

And, we have changed the name.



To . . .?

Dunno if this has been asked yet but will the Wraith ever be made in Champ plastic...besides the CFR

And, we have changed the name.



To . . .?

Skeeter

Dunno if this has been asked yet but will the Wraith ever be made in Champ plastic...besides the CFR



Yes. I am surprised it hasn't already moved over.

Hi Dave,


Hows it looking on those flat top Star Leopards? I lost another flat topped CE, so am keeping my fingers crossed.



I'm not sure what a flat top looks like. The Star Leopards have been runnin for a while now. There is a flat spot on top, but I wouldn't call them flat.



I throw CE Leopards as my main driver, and I have found that there are definitely very flat ones, and very domey ones out there. The ones made from the more opaque, grippy plastic (I'm assuming earlier runs with more urethane?) are always flatter...The more translucent ones seem to be domier. All of the champion leopards I have seen have been domey, which is why I dont really like them. The different leopards have significantly different flights, the flat CE ones move a lot quicker and roll better. I have been stocking up.

Skeeter




Might be popular in the upper midwest if it cuts thru the summer swarms.

(DD- Copyright concerns or did Millennium want the other name?)

When's Millenium going to unveil their Falcon ?!?!

When's Millenium going to unveil their Falcon ?!?!


They may need to change the name. Lightning made a Falcon in the late 80's.

Might be popular in the upper midwest if it cuts thru the summer swarms.




After posting this I realized you'd have a special hotstamped upper midwest version made with micro-encapsulated compound called the Deet'r to chase away skeeters.

When's Millenium going to unveil their Falcon ?!?!


They may need to change the name. Lightning made a Falcon in the late 80's.


I think it was a joke. Han Solo, Chewbacca...

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Skeeter




Might be popular in the upper midwest if it cuts thru the summer swarms.

(DD- Copyright concerns or did Millennium want the other name?)



Copyright concerns. We planned on putting John's face on a Hobbit body.

Copyright concerns. We planned on putting John's face on a Hobbit body.



You wanted him to look taller?


Thank you, I'm here all week. Try the veal.

Skeeter




Skeet skeet skeet...

Skeeter




Skeet skeet skeet...


"PULL!"

Dunno if this has been asked yet but will the Wraith ever be made in Champ plastic...besides the CFR



Yes. I am surprised it hasn't already moved over.




By moved over do you mean shipped fout or sale?
That would be sweet.

also what about T Rexs in DX and Champ?

Dunno if this has been asked yet but will the Wraith ever be made in Champ plastic...besides the CFR



Yes. I am surprised it hasn't already moved over.




By moved over do you mean shipped fout or sale?
That would be sweet.

also what about T Rexs in DX and Champ?



Moved over to mainstream from fundraiser.

TRexs in DX are coming up in the schedule again. They are a definite. Champion will depend on the schedule.

Dave I know there is a lot on the schedule but how bout a star gator?

Dave I know there is a lot on the schedule but how bout a star gator?



It's in the schedule, but I don't know when. Soon, I hope.

Dave, what drivers/discs do you recommend for players who put 1)more 2)less spin on their drives? And in your opionion, how does spin affect disc flight combined with higher and lower velocities?

Dave, what drivers/discs do you recommend for players who put 1)more 2)less spin on their drives? And in your opionion, how does spin affect disc flight combined with higher and lower velocities?



The higher the spin, the slower the rate of precession or turn of the disc. This is for any speed.

More or less spin affects putts and up shots more than drives as it is difficult to modulate spin at higher velocities, and it doesn't make much difference anyway. Velocity, nose angle, and a clean snap (as opposed to flutter) affect drives much more than rate of spin.

All this being said: higher speed throwers should throw more stable discs (like TeeBirds). Fluttery throwers should throw overstable discs to counteract their flutter (like Firebirds). Lower speed throwers should throw discs with carry and only mild low speed overstability (like Leopards, Valkyries, Roadrunners). Lower speed throwers, and those who are prone to injuries, should throw lower weight discs.

The higher the spin, the slower the rate of precession or turn of the disc. This is for any speed.



When you say 'turn of the disc'...are you referring to turnover or low speed fade...or both?

The higher the spin, the slower the rate of precession or turn of the disc. This is for any speed.



When you say 'turn of the disc'...are you referring to turnover or low speed fade...or both?



Both

Hey Dave long time reader first time poster ;)

So now that Am Worlds is over when are we going to see those fancy Star Orcs???

Scott

Hey Dave long time reader first time poster ;)

So now that Am Worlds is over when are we going to see those fancy Star Orcs???

Scott



Should be available some time in September, I hope. They are up next to be run.

What's the real difference between a Bulldog and the Hydra?

I haven't checked to see whether the Bulldog floats, but really, what else is different? :confused:

The Bulldog is more stable than the Hydra.

and

the Hydra is only available in one weight

think the difference between the Aviar and the Aero in flight performance.

For a while I used the Hydra as a back up putter/appoach but it felt like I was throwing a brick so I gave it to my nephews for their bag. :D

What's the real difference between a Bulldog and the Hydra?

I haven't checked to see whether the Bulldog floats, but really, what else is different? :confused:



There is no difference now. Originally the Hydra was slightly unstable and the Bullldog was slightly overstable. The Hydra is now stable and the Bulldog is discontinued. Both were floating discs.

So hows the sponsoring looking for the winner of AM Worlds? Is it going to be you guys are that other company?

So hows the sponsoring looking for the winner of AM Worlds? Is it going to be you guys are that other company?



Yeah, I would like to know that as well........ Of course it makes little difference, my preference is and will always be ..... phone is ringing, I will get back later :p

Nevermind, It was just me warning him to put some ice on his head before he couldn't fit through the door. :cool:

lol, I am milking this for whole 1 1/2 weeks that I can get away with it.

lol, I am milking this for whole 1 1/2 weeks that I can get away with it.



Only that long?
I know a guy that has milked his for over three years now... :o:D

Still going on two. :D

Still going on two. :D



Milking a Juniors title? Sad. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


:)

Still going on two. :D



Milking a Juniors title? Sad. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


:)



The fact is that when you play Jrs you are just in a smaller ADV division. :D

Better ask a question before this thread drifts again.


Dave,

When will the Star Big Bead Aviar be next on the star run?

Josh

Why does star cost more then champ? Doesn't it run better?

Dave,

Is there a timetable for moving the Star Shark out of the CFR program and into the regular rotation?

Thanks,

Why does star cost more thean champ? Doesn't it run better?



Cause it's supposed to be as durable and have better grip.........I haven't owned one long enough to tell for sure.

But it seems like it would be cheaper to produce therefore it should be cheaper right? :confused:

Dave,
Since I spent all of my money at AmWorlds.. can you get me a job? :D

IMHO- star is not only less durable [although slightly] than champ, in many cases it is less grippy [also slightly] as well. i have compared many new discs and only seen a few "grippy" star discs. i realize this is a gross generalization--as discs vary disc to disc, but it has been my experience. i think star should have a slightly more "grippy-pro-plastic-type-feel", and come in between dx and champ as far as price goes. it could be their mid-grade line, almost like the old pro plastic with more champ blended in, to give it more rigidity and durability, and not have it come out so soft and domey. [remember some of the "blended" 10x teebirds? those felt about perfect] please excuse my ignorance as far plastic production goes--i do not know if you blend plastics or not.

Hey Dave , what colors were run in the Star Coyotes ?

[remember some of the "blended" 10x teebirds? those felt about perfect]



Oh yes. I remember. 10x Teebirds. Those were my favorite plastic of all time.

Better ask a question before this thread drifts again.


Dave,

When will the Star Big Bead Aviar be next on the star run?

Josh



We had moved the Star big bead to the back burner, as we were satisfied with the Star Aviar, but we had difficulty with the KCs, so we are moving it back up as a sub for the KC. Not sure when it is going in, but as soon as we can.

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks

That would make the disc less gyroscopic so probably not.

Hey Dave , what colors were run in the Star Coyotes ?



i have red, orange, and blue...

My Star (SB) Orcs are every bit as durable as Champ and seem to break in even more slowly. The grippiness is definitely an upgrade form Champion too in terms of being less rigid and more tacky.

i have heard the Wraith (in all candy flavors) breaks in the fastest -- perhaps due to its nose shape and mass?

Yo Dave two questions Star Goblin???? (And when) And also, when your discs are tested at what altitude do they test them at? I live in Denver at 5200 feet and am trying to figure out a conversion system for your disc ratings.

Thanks
Scott

Dave, thank you for allowing and answering all these questions.

My "go to" driver is the Pro Line Firebird "fl". Will the Star Firebirds "FL's" be molded? Also have Champion "fl's" ever ran?

Again thank you for your time.

There are CFR Glo Champion Firebirds FL's and I believe they will be running soon in Star Dave said.

Josh

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks



Try a Orion LF

: ) :

Hey Dave , what colors were run in the Star Coyotes ?



i have red, orange, and blue...



I have those as well as yellow and pink.

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks



Try a Orion LF

: ) :



Yup, what he said. :cool:

I remember when Innova's best discs bore the name of the best player of all time, Ken Climo. Now with Star plastic and the problems with KC Aviars it is dissappointing to see Kenny's name absent from my new Star Firebirds and Teebirds. The Champ is still tearing it up against the toughest competition disc golf has ever seen. Please don't take the "Champion" out of Innova Champion discs! :D

Better ask a question before this thread drifts again.


Dave,

When will the Star Big Bead Aviar be next on the star run?

Josh



We had moved the Star big bead to the back burner, as we were satisfied with the Star Aviar, but we had difficulty with the KCs, so we are moving it back up as a sub for the KC. Not sure when it is going in, but as soon as we can.



Dave, is the KC Aviar not going to be run anymore? Is the problem temporary or permanent?

Dave,

Is there a timetable for moving the Star Shark out of the CFR program and into the regular rotation?

Thanks,



As soon as we can make sufficient amounts. Should be in September. They will be in the player packs at Pro Worlds.

Hey Dave , what colors were run in the Star Coyotes ?



Could have been just about anything. I got a dark blue and pink one. :)

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks



Possible, but very difficult to also make it controllable.

Yo Dave two questions Star Goblin???? (And when) And also, when your discs are tested at what altitude do they test them at? I live in Denver at 5200 feet and am trying to figure out a conversion system for your disc ratings.

Thanks
Scott



Star Goblin is currently available in CFR. We test discs at 1500 ft elev and lower. We do use them at 7200 ft when we play at Wrightwood.

I learned to compensate for altitude by throwing slower rated discs faster.

Better ask a question before this thread drifts again.


Dave,

When will the Star Big Bead Aviar be next on the star run?

Josh



We had moved the Star big bead to the back burner, as we were satisfied with the Star Aviar, but we had difficulty with the KCs, so we are moving it back up as a sub for the KC. Not sure when it is going in, but as soon as we can.



Dave, is the KC Aviar not going to be run anymore? Is the problem temporary or permanent?



We will try to run them again. This will be the third time. We had to scrap 80% of the last run. Not good. I don't know what the problem is, so I don't have a solution yet.

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks



Try a Orion LF

: ) :



Both the Orion LF and Starfire are longer TeeBird like discs. Both rims are bigger than a TeeBird, but smaller than a Wraith. Neither are speed 11, but they are close.

Dave,
Is it possible to make a disc with a speed of 11 and a rim smaller then the wraith and teerex? Like say a teebird rim..hint hint /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks



Try a Orion LF

: ) :



Both the Orion LF and Starfire are longer TeeBird like discs. Both rims are bigger than a TeeBird, but smaller than a Wraith. Neither are speed 11, but they are close.





I have thrown the Orion LF in the Sirius Plastic. I would say the rim is very close to the teebird "t" or Firebird Rim wide.

Hope that helps.

orion rim narrower by a relatively good bit compared to the starfire

Hey Dave , what colors were run in the Star Coyotes ?



i have red, orange, and blue...



I have those as well as yellow and pink.





White, and a bunch of mixed easter egg colors.

Hi Dave,


With all this talk about the KC Aviars, I had a question also. Whats the deal with the non-11x World Champion stamped KC Pro Avairs?

Are theses new ( they feel different ) or are they from the same period when the KC Rocs no longer featured the 11x World Champ stamp?

Hi Dave,


With all this talk about the KC Aviars, I had a question also. Whats the deal with the non-11x World Champion stamped KC Pro Avairs?

Are theses new ( they feel different ) or are they from the same period when the KC Rocs no longer featured the 11x World Champ stamp?



Could be either. If they are a little grippier, they could be a newer run.

What is the status of the new tour bag? Thanks

Hi Dave,


With all this talk about the KC Aviars, I had a question also. Whats the deal with the non-11x World Champion stamped KC Pro Avairs?

Are theses new ( they feel different ) or are they from the same period when the KC Rocs no longer featured the 11x World Champ stamp?



Could be either. If they are a little grippier, they could be a newer run.




They do feel grippier, and have a sunken dome, similar to the newest JKs.

Hey Dave,
I remember reading somewhere that the DX plastic was changed and now has a different mix of plastics than older dx discs. I was wondering, assuming that this is true, if this new blend consists has more of the Pro like plastics.

I have two beadless dx aviars that I have just started using this year. My blue dx aviar was bought from Marshall Street earlier this spring and was given to me in almost new condition. When I first got the disc I didn't notice, but later on I realized that it feels almost identical to my 11x kc aviar, but is a little more tackier.
Last week I bought a red dx aviar from marshall street. This one feels like my JK aviar, just a little harder.

So, what is the deal with this dx plastic?

What is the status of the new tour bag? Thanks



Every time I think I know, I have been wrong. It's probably best to ask the guys on the east coast.

Hi Dave,


With all this talk about the KC Aviars, I had a question also. Whats the deal with the non-11x World Champion stamped KC Pro Avairs?

Are theses new ( they feel different ) or are they from the same period when the KC Rocs no longer featured the 11x World Champ stamp?



Could be either. If they are a little grippier, they could be a newer run.




They do feel grippier, and have a sunken dome, similar to the newest JKs.



That's new.

On the bag they said "Mid August".

Hey Dave,
I remember reading somewhere that the DX plastic was changed and now has a different mix of plastics than older dx discs. I was wondering, assuming that this is true, if this new blend consists has more of the Pro like plastics.

I have two beadless dx aviars that I have just started using this year. My blue dx aviar was bought from Marshall Street earlier this spring and was given to me in almost new condition. When I first got the disc I didn't notice, but later on I realized that it feels almost identical to my 11x kc aviar, but is a little more tackier.
Last week I bought a red dx aviar from marshall street. This one feels like my JK aviar, just a little harder.

So, what is the deal with this dx plastic?



The new DX is a blend that has similar plastic to JK.

Thanks again Sir.

Well it's the ask Dave directory so I'll ask:
Hi Dave,
Have you seen this?
Thanks,
Axis

We are pleased to announce the Grand Opening of our new improved Roc museum at http://www.seeroccity.com/ and also the generous sponsorship of ZoneDriven, http://www.zonedriven.com/ �the ultimate destination for golfers in the know.�

To commemorate the Grand Opening we are holding a Grand Prize Contest!

The winner of the contest will receive a clear ZoneDriven 2001 CE Roc!

Hi Dave,

I too have a question about the 'new DX' that is hitting the shelves as of late...

Do you have a list of which discs have already been released in the new DX?

Also, could you list an estimated timetable of when we can expect the discs that have not been released yet to become available?

Thanks in advance and I hope this request isn't a burden...


sleepy

Well it's the ask Dave directory so I'll ask:
Hi Dave,
Have you seen this?
Thanks,
Axis




Yes, I have. Very cool. Thanks.

Hi Dave,

I too have a question about the 'new DX' that is hitting the shelves as of late...

Do you have a list of which discs have already been released in the new DX?

Also, could you list an estimated timetable of when we can expect the discs that have not been released yet to become available?

Thanks in advance and I hope this request isn't a burden...


sleepy



We've done most of the models already, but not all weights and many have not been hotstamped yet. The older stock has to run out before the newer stuff takes its place. It should all be phased in by next year.

Hey dave what about making a 2006 2nd run 2001 ce roc?

Or a second run 8x roc, or a 2nd time rainbow roc?

Just seems like a good time to bring back the old while embracing the new. :D

We've done most of the models already, but not all weights and many have not been hotstamped yet. The older stock has to run out before the newer stuff takes its place. It should all be phased in by next year.



Thanks for the speedy reply, Dave!

I shall be patient...and eagerly awaiting the new DX Roc!! :D


sleepy

There are new DX rocs out already. Just have to find a place that has them.

Hey Sleepy, the new DX Rocs are out there. I had one that was a misprint. Some of the J-Bird Big Bird Rocs on Epay are definately new DX. Don't know about others. Ask John if his feel rubbery to the touch like Coyote/Wraith/Beast/Orc.

Thanks man...I'll do that! :cool:


sleepy

Some of the J-bird big bird stamped rocs are also of the poppy top variety. I got a few late last year and they were poppy top. Maybe they have stamped more on the new DX.. I don't know. I hate the poppy top rocs so I always have to ask before buying. My friend has a new DX roc and it is grippier/more rubbery and very very flat. Sweet disc.

My preference is Innova, I believe they make the most consistent discs and I am quite pleased to have my bag full of their product.



So hows the sponsoring looking for the winner of AM Worlds? Is it going to be you guys are that other company?



Yeah, I would like to know that as well........ Of course it makes little difference, my preference is and will always be ..... phone is ringing, I will get back later :p

My preference is Innova, I believe they make the most consistent discs and I am quite pleased to have my bag full of their product.




These are good with milk :D

http://graphics.iparenting.com/attachedpics/oreos.jpg

Double-Stuffs are X-outs...probably cuz I'm a 2-at-a-time dunker! :D

So hows the sponsoring looking for the winner of AM Worlds? Is it going to be you guys are that other company?



now that you mention it, considering Nicole Frazer as a possible addition to Team Innova is probably a pretty good idea ;)

Hey Dave - If I remember from a loong way back, I heard something about Star Whippets for late August...whether it's August, December, 2Q 2008, whenever...are Star Whippets still on the list? Please say yes...please say yes...

Hey Dave - If I remember from a loong way back, I heard something about Star Whippets for late August...whether it's August, December, 2Q 2008, whenever...are Star Whippets still on the list? Please say yes...please say yes...



The won't make late August, that's for sure, but they are on the list as a tournament disc/fundraiser.

Just got my CFR/Star Rhynos Thursday. First impressions are...
They are stiffer than my old ProLine and my really old beat up SE Rhynos.
The plastic seems stiffer than my Star drivers (SW and Valk) but not nearly as stiff as the DX discs I've thrown.
The plastic has more grip than any DX disc I've thrown.
They are domey (domier????). Anything would be domey compared to those two.

I did not get a chance to throw anything longer than across my front yard. My impression there was that...
I already knew how I wanted to throw the disc. (I wasn't guessing.)
Slow or torqued releases do not wobble as badly (as compared to my proline).
My sweaty hands will not become like glue on these discs.

And finally....I hoped you drooled on your keyboard :D

Dave, when you fellas were running dx big bead aviars, were they factory-marked "aviar driver" on the back?? Thanks Dave.

Hi Dave!

What KC line discs are slated for Star plastic? I've always loved the way the Champ's mold felt and flew!
Any chance of a star kc roc CFR for usdgc?
thanks

Dave, when you fellas were running dx big bead aviars, were they factory-marked "aviar driver" on the back?? Thanks Dave.



No, I don't think so.

Hi Dave!

What KC line discs are slated for Star plastic? I've always loved the way the Champ's mold felt and flew!
Any chance of a star kc roc CFR for usdgc?
thanks



Right now, we have the TeeBird, Eagle, and Firebird. The Star Rocs are run for the USDGC as SB or Star. KC Rocs and KC Aviars are a different material.

Dave, is it true that a 2nd run 2nd run CE Valks is in the works?

Dave, is it true that a 2nd run 2nd run CE Valks is in the works?



No.

Hey Dave,

When will I be able to find Star Leopards at my local shop?

Also, the leopard I am using now was bought back in 2003. The stamp on it says "Pro Leopard Fairway Driver" on it but it is made in a semi-opaque champion type plastic. I believe this is from the period when you were not sure what you were goin to call Champion Plastic and it was briefly called Pro-line. Would this be right? And How do the star leopards compare to this Pro/Champion leopard?

Hey Dave,

When will I be able to find Star Leopards at my local shop?

Also, the leopard I am using now was bought back in 2003. The stamp on it says "Pro Leopard Fairway Driver" on it but it is made in a semi-opaque champion type plastic. I believe this is from the period when you were not sure what you were goin to call Champion Plastic and it was briefly called Pro-line. Would this be right? And How do the star leopards compare to this Pro/Champion leopard?



Star Leopards should be available next week. Pro-line is probably a Pro Leopard. But, if it is not Pro plastic it is a Champion or CE type. Pro plastic will not hold up as well as CE, Champion, or Star. Pro plastic also produced discs that had more carry and less stability than the other plastics.

Hi Dave!

What KC line discs are slated for Star plastic? I've always loved the way the Champ's mold felt and flew!
Any chance of a star kc roc CFR for usdgc?
thanks




Right now, we have the TeeBird, Eagle, and Firebird. The Star Rocs are run for the USDGC as SB or Star. KC Rocs and KC Aviars are a different material.



Are they going to be Ken Climo Star discs or are you leaving him off the molds?

Hi Dave!

What KC line discs are slated for Star plastic? I've always loved the way the Champ's mold felt and flew!
Any chance of a star kc roc CFR for usdgc?
thanks




Right now, we have the TeeBird, Eagle, and Firebird. The Star Rocs are run for the USDGC as SB or Star. KC Rocs and KC Aviars are a different material.



Are they going to be Ken Climo Star discs or are you leaving him off the molds?



So far, we have no signiture discs on Star plastic.

I just cannot help myself........

Dave, I would be glad to volunteer, the Star Wraith played a huge part in my winning Worlds :cool:




So far, we have no signiture discs on Star plastic.

Shouldnt you win a pro tourny before you get your own disc! j/k

Shouldnt you win a pro tourny before you get your own disc! j/k



Like that is ever going to happen.

Shouldnt you win a pro tourny before you get your own disc! j/k



Like that is ever going to happen.


What's with these negative vibes, man??!!?? Did the dragon slayer quit after his first conquest? Did we give up when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbour?? :D:eek:

Shouldnt you win a pro tourny before you get your own disc! j/k



Given the fact that the vast number of disc golfers are either amateur or recreational rather than pro, and more discs are sold to that larger group, may be a marketing opportunity....
Dave, how about offering a 1% cut for ideas???? 2% for good ideas???

Just come up here and play your brother you can beat him.

Dave, I dont know if you have already answered this question, but do you know when the new tour bag is going to be released and is it near completion? I need something more than the deluxe bag that I currently have and I really want to keep my disc golf gear completely INNOVA.

Also, I have had my deluxe bag now since novemeber of 05' and this past May during the A tier Sarasota Am championships, my bag fell apart where my quad shocks hold up to. I was really dissapointed in how long it lasted, but I sowed them back up and is holding strong. I was just wondering if anyone had that problem and is INNOVA looking into reinforcing the bags to make them a bit stronger. THANKS!

Ron Howell

Hey Dave - If I remember from a loong way back, I heard something about Star Whippets for late August...whether it's August, December, 2Q 2008, whenever...are Star Whippets still on the list? Please say yes...please say yes...



The won't make late August, that's for sure, but they are on the list as a tournament disc/fundraiser.



Awesome! Thanks!!

Hi DAve,
any release date set for the Skeeter?
Which plastic? Dx?

First-run DX Skeeter! - available August 7th
(http://dealer.innovadiscs.com/)

http://dealer.innovadiscs.com/images/skeeter400.jpg
That is hilarious. The skeeter is skeeting.

Now were going to here the "SKEET SKEET"!! on the course. Oh wait we already do. hehe

I believe the correct phrase is "SKEETER DONE!!!!" :)

What's with these negative vibes, man??!!?? Did the dragon slayer quit after his first conquest? Did we give up when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbour?? :D:eek:



First of all, for every dragon slayer that beat the dragon, several hundred became bar-b-que, secondly the Germans never invaded Pearl Harbor and neither did the Janpanese. The Japanese just bombed the heck out of it. :p

...you obviously haven't seen that movie...

What's with these negative vibes, man??!!?? Did the dragon slayer quit after his first conquest? Did we give up when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbour?? :D:eek:



First of all, for every dragon slayer that beat the dragon, several hundred became bar-b-que, secondly the Germans never invaded Pearl Harbor and neither did the Janpanese. The Japanese just bombed the heck out of it. :p



He is definately not a world champion in movie trivia. :D

What's with these negative vibes, man??!!?? Did the dragon slayer quit after his first conquest? Did we give up when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbour?? :D:eek:



First of all, for every dragon slayer that beat the dragon, several hundred became bar-b-que, secondly the Germans never invaded Pearl Harbor and neither did the Janpanese. The Japanese just bombed the heck out of it. :p



He is definately not a world champion in movie trivia. :D

Maybe he should be put on double secret probabtion.

TO-GA, TO-GA!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What is the world coming to when people don't have the proper appreciation for AH?

BTW - BBQ knight is darn good stuff!

BTW - About a month ago I saw a guy making a float in his front yard, and in the driveway, a suicide Continental. Had to laugh.

Stork made one helluva drum major! :D

Which movie is that? Death of the knight (http://www.hotkey.net.au/~krackatinni/New-Knights-and-Dragons-List1.html#462)


...you obviously haven't seen that movie...

Wow, the Dave D. thread doesn't usually drift this far...Anyway, I've got a legitimate question for Dave. How do the new Star Sharks fly compared to their Champion counterparts? Also, I really like the glide and forward penetration of the Star Coyote, especially compared to a Roc. Any chance on developing a more overstable large diameter mid that retains the convex bottom and super glide of the Star Coyote? Thanks.

Whatcha bet he is in route to Augusta?

That's a pretty good bet.

Why? What's going on down there? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Have the production and sales of the wraith and teerex hurt the sales of orcs this past year? Just wondering b/c I've got a box of orcs that don't fit into my current bag.

thanks

Have the production and sales of the wraith and teerex hurt the sales of orcs this past year? Just wondering b/c I've got a box of orcs that don't fit into my current bag.

thanks



send them to me :)

Have the production and sales of the wraith and teerex hurt the sales of orcs this past year? Just wondering b/c I've got a box of orcs that don't fit into my current bag.

thanks

I know I'm moving a lot fewer Orcs this year. Beasts too. The Wraith has been a fast mover. I have to hide some on Saturday to have any left for Sunday.

The Orc is better than the Wraith or T-Rex :eek: :p it's just not as fancy :D

Any word on the DevilHawk in Star plastic?

The Orc is better than the Wraith or T-Rex :eek: :p it's just not as fancy :D



Are you telling me you want to help thin my collection out??? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

my greed for plastic knows no bounds but my practical side (admittedly tiny) tells me i already have a lot more than i need :D

The Orc is better than the Wraith or T-Rex :eek: :p it's just not as fancy :D


Amen... :cool:

my greed for plastic knows no bounds but my practical side (admittedly tiny) tells me i already have a lot more than i need :D


Give in to the Dark Side and take some of my orcs! :D

The Orc is better than the Wraith or T-Rex :eek: :p it's just not as fancy :D


Amen... :cool:

Why? What's going on down there? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Storms predicted late in week, stalled out front.

You have a PM about a found disc with your name under it at Fossil Hill,

... never mind I just told ya. Enjoyed your visit, hope to visit Ramcat this Fall.

How about a Star Scorpion !!!! :eek:

How about a Star Scorpion !!!! :eek:


...in 150 class...WOAH! :eek: :eek:

How about a Star Scorpion !!!! :eek:


...in 150 class...WOAH! :eek: :eek:



:D I'm still hoping for Star Whippets !!! :cool:

What is the "Skeeter"? Is it a real disc? If so what type?

Maybe the <font color="white"> LIGHT</font> and DARK side can collaborate toward a Star Comet! :o:eek: :eek: :cool:

(Thread hijack cont... :D)

Skeeter - Its on the Innova site. Looks like a new mid-range disc. Didn't they just release the goblin? How is this any different?

Skeeter is a li'l faster w/ more glide. Goblin is more putter-like, while Skeeter is more mid-like.

Maybe the <font color="white"> LIGHT</font> and DARK side can collaborate toward a Star Comet! :o:eek: :eek: :cool:

(Thread hijack cont... :D)


esp comet? :D

I thought it was just a joke but I guess innova is running out of names. :D

That's right !!!! I may just try one !!!!
http://innovadiscs.com/discs/skeeter.html

the stamp should say "First Blood" not first run

<font color="red">I sincerely hope all 1st runs have blood red stamps at least. </font> :p

Dave,
If you see S Johnson at the Worlds could you please ask him when he's going to release his book on golf discs?

Thx

Maybe the <font color="white"> LIGHT</font> and DARK side can collaborate toward a Star Comet! :o:eek: :eek: :cool:



A Star Coyote is close, inbetween a Dark side Comet and a Dark side Buzzz, but it is a pure breed without any clone ingredients :eek: :p . and then there is the QMS or Aurora MS which is straighter than a Comet and also has never colluded with the Dark side :o:D :p

what i would love to see, after putting a QMS back in the bag -- is a Star QMS. Dave, any chance of that ever happening?

Maybe the <font color="white"> LIGHT</font> and DARK side can collaborate toward a Star Comet! :o:eek: :eek: :cool:



A Star Coyote is close, inbetween a Dark side Comet and a Dark side Buzzz, but it is a pure breed without any clone ingredients :eek: :p . and then there is the QMS or Aurora MS which is straighter than a Comet and also has never colluded with the Dark side :o:D :p

what i would love to see, after putting a QMS back in the bag -- is a Star QMS. Dave, any chance of that ever happening?



You mean a Star MS or SMS. :D

I threw comets for years and I will tell you coyote aurora and qms are nothing like a comet. The closest thing IMO is a E-element, and even they need a little break in to be close to a comet out of the box. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Maybe the <font color="white"> LIGHT</font> and DARK side can collaborate toward a Star Comet! :o:eek: :eek: :cool:



A Star Coyote is close, inbetween a Dark side Comet and a Dark side Buzzz, but it is a pure breed without any clone ingredients :eek: :p . and then there is the QMS or Aurora MS which is straighter than a Comet and also has never colluded with the Dark side :o:D :p

what i would love to see, after putting a QMS back in the bag -- is a Star QMS. Dave, any chance of that ever happening?



You mean a Star MS or SMS. :D



You mean a Sirius MS or SMS. :D

I was reading another post and some guy was talking about how he lovs his new DX Tee rex is that even out yet?

Dave, is the STAR Monster the same as the champion Monster? The Disc looks a lot different than either of the 2 champion Monster molds.

The DX Tee-Rexes have been available at tournaments this summer with custom stamps.

I would have to agree on the star monsters...the first time I saw one it did look kinda different than the champ ones that I have....couldn't really quite place it though... could have been a slight higher dome maybe?...probably is just some weird way the star plastic molded up or something...I'm sure they probably throw the same though....

The Star Monster thing has me curious now. I might have to get one now and check it out.
Only thing is I already have 3 Champ Monsters and I only use one. Maybe someone will mail me one for free?
heh

Thank you for the Star Aviars I won from the July CFR Program Dave!!

I didn't see the new July winners on the site so It was a sweet surprise!!

Josh

I wouldn't say domier but seems the rim has less curve.

Yes, same as what they did to the Beast, The rim is straight across or almost convex. The only reason I noticed it is because I did throw it and it wasn't very Monster like at all.

I would have to agree on the star monsters...the first time I saw one it did look kinda different than the champ ones that I have....couldn't really quite place it though... could have been a slight higher dome maybe?...probably is just some weird way the star plastic molded up or something...I'm sure they probably throw the same though....




Not really. The domier style seems a bit more understable than the originals and the grip seems different. Bummer. They do, however, handle the tomahawk fairly well.

Not really. The domier style seems a bit more understable than the originals and the grip seems different. Bummer. They do, however, handle the tomahawk fairly well.

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The STAR Monster is nowhere near the Champ Monster as far as hyser. I'm really dissapointed in the flight. It's more like a beat up banshee. Straight forever than hyser a little and fall.

Star Monsters are in the "L" mold. Just like every other disc in the "L" mold, they are less stable. I dont think Id even compare it to a beat up Banshee, as those are still more beefy. I really dont see alot of difference between the Teerex and the Monster, but my Monster isnt totally beat in.

These Monsters are awesome for overhead shots though, you got that right. Throwing my farthest thumbers ever.

I have the X mold and L mold in champion, and my STAR Monster is unlike either of them. It is missing the slight lip the champion L mold has close to the inside lip making it perfectly straight across the bottem

Can anyone make a comparison of the Star Monsters to the old Pro Line Monsters? I guess they should be the same mold, but I'd like to hear from some people that have thrown them both.

Not the same mold IMO. I would (and will) stick with the prolines until they fell apart.

Thank you for the Star Aviars I won from the July CFR Program Dave!!

I didn't see the new July winners on the site so It was a sweet surprise!!

Josh



how were you notified?

I won the basket last month. Got home from Alaska and it was sitting waiting for me. I received an email that Innova had shipped me something.

The only time they called me was when I won a shirt and they asked what size I wanted. I like the CFR program, it's been very nice to me.

I agree. I have talked with them over the phone for correct address information and they also send email confirmation on prizes won !!!!!!
I like the CFR program as well !!!! :D

threw my buddies goblin yesterday. threw just like a beat in dx roc. so if i ever lose my dx roc i would pick up a goblin to take its place while i beat in a new one.

I dont want to jinx anything... but KC 12X???? yeah baby!

KC Orc? wraith?

anywho, wish me luck, I get's married today!!!

Have you thrown the Skeeter yet ?

Hi Dave,
The whole world is holding its breath, and all the guys want to know! When can we get our new 12X KC Pro Rocs? I can't wait. Please let us know. Thanks.
Fly on,
Axis

Yeah, yeah...and make some 12x'ers in that mocha color! :cool:

what are you thinking for the new blend of KC 12x ?

i also hear/see rumors of dropping the 12x world champ part, whats with that? i hope not, i think that would take away from the mystique of the discs. think about all the people who throw ?x world champ disc and only that one. and plus he deserves it 12 of 25.

Dave,

My Star Aviar has cut through chains three times in my last four tourney rounds causing my card mates to exclaim,


Dude that's a once in a career happening.
I can't believe what I just saw.
No way that was perfect.



Is the plastic too slick? Would I be better off with a DX putter? Am I just too strong to putt?

Thanks.

Dave, I've been saving my questions for 263 pages. The guys have asked when, color & blend for KC12X? I'm asking; new stamp? Mold? Thanks

Dave,

My Star Aviar has cut through chains three times in my last four tourney rounds causing my card mates to exclaim,


Dude that's a once in a career happening.
I can't believe what I just saw.
No way that was perfect.



Is the plastic too slick? Would I be better off with a DX putter? Am I just too strong to putt?

Thanks.



That's just a strong putt. I have that happen about once a round. :D

from what i understand, the plan for some time was to move to a generic "World Champion" stamp rather than specifying the exact number of titles KC or JK (and maybe now DR) has won...

maybe an idea worth considering would be to come out with a limited edition 12x stamp -- maybe the Rocs with that stamp could even be for next year's USDGC Roc release.... (?)

hello Dave--are you going to do another run of champion gators? will you be running star? thanks

Wow, the Dave D. thread doesn't usually drift this far...Anyway, I've got a legitimate question for Dave. How do the new Star Sharks fly compared to their Champion counterparts? Also, I really like the glide and forward penetration of the Star Coyote, especially compared to a Roc. Any chance on developing a more overstable large diameter mid that retains the convex bottom and super glide of the Star Coyote? Thanks.



The Star Shark might be what you are looking for. It is not as overstable as a Champion Shark. It is more like a good Ontario Roc. It has better glide than a Roc, but not quite as good as a Coyote. Bear in mind, the differences are small between all three.

Have the production and sales of the wraith and teerex hurt the sales of orcs this past year? Just wondering b/c I've got a box of orcs that don't fit into my current bag.

thanks



Yes, I think so, but the Orc is still selling well. I don't think the TeeRex is hurting the sales as much as the Wraith. The TeeRex seems to be more open Pro oriented.