DX Wraiths today! I can't wait.

Did any 150-class get molded?

DX Wraiths today! I can't wait.

Did any 150-class get molded?



Where????????????? I'll take 10 :eek: :D:D

I already ordered 10 150s; I hope they molded them . . .

Where at Vegan Ray? I checked discgolvalues and zonedriven

Dave

I bought a Star wraith the other day, I was really enjoying it, nice glide and very dependable hyzer, i hit a tree 250 down the fairway fairly solid, didnt really think much of it, went to throw it on the next hole in a tail wind with hyzer release, the thing flipped up and turned ended up almost 120 off line right, I asked a few of my friends around town and they have noticed that the plastic is not very durable, Is there plans to change the plastic to increase durability? Have you heard other complaints about the Star durability?

I just got off the phone Innova East & DX Wraiths, STAR Valkyries, & STAR Aviars are there! :D

I have cracked trees with star plastic point blank with practically no effect. Just as durable as champion.

I just got off the phone Innova East & DX Wraiths, STAR Valkyries, & STAR Aviars are there! :D



What molds are up next for STAR? Firebirds, Starfire, Gremlin, Coyote?

From what I've experienced and I heard, the durability of STAR & SB is just as good as, if not better than, Champion. Is there something about the Wraith's rim mass to fight plate mass ratio that makes it less durable in any plastic or did twoputt just get a fluke?

The wraith is a very sensitive disc though, (probably due too its extreme speed) sensitive to speed, nose angle, how high you throw it, release angle, and yes even wind. It can be flipy, which is why you have people beging for the star firebird. While it is in my bag for max D throws, its probably the least consistant driver I have.

Dave

I bought a Star wraith the other day, I was really enjoying it, nice glide and very dependable hyzer, i hit a tree 250 down the fairway fairly solid, didnt really think much of it, went to throw it on the next hole in a tail wind with hyzer release, the thing flipped up and turned ended up almost 120 off line right, I asked a few of my friends around town and they have noticed that the plastic is not very durable, Is there plans to change the plastic to increase durability? Have you heard other complaints about the Star durability?



While I have found this to also be true of the Star Wraith, that is not indicitive of the whole Star line. I have in Star.....Beast, SL, Teebird, Wraith, Sidewinder, and Stingray. Its my opinion that the Star plastic is easily as resiliant as Champion and more stable than their Champion brothers and sisters.

The Wraith in particular is a touchy disc to begin with. Its more than likely not the plastic so much as it is the disc. I have thrown and seen others throw exactly what you have described, in Star and the CFR!

Where at Vegan Ray? I checked discgolvalues and zonedriven


Well if discgolfvalues has anything new, you'll see them hocking it on ebay before you'll see it in their store. That's what they do.

Any word on those colored star sl's? And will there be colored areo's?

Called Innova East 5 dx Wraiths on the way. :D

No 150 class yet according to them Vegan.

Where at Vegan Ray? I checked discgolvalues and zonedriven


Well if discgolfvalues has anything new, you'll see them hocking it on ebay before you'll see it in their store. That's what they do.


That's not true. If he has them they'll be in the store as well as eBay. He's starting bid will be the store price, with a higher Buy it Now option. discgolfvalues ROCK's!

I agree , mark is very good to deal with and has great selection!!

A couple of questions. Can you order direct from Innova East?

Dave, is the roadrunner on the star list yet? I have recently decided that it is a better disc than the sidewinder (more consistant). It's kind of like a longer Leopard.

Where at Vegan Ray? I checked discgolvalues and zonedriven


Well if discgolfvalues has anything new, you'll see them hocking it on ebay before you'll see it in their store. That's what they do.


That's not true. If he has them they'll be in the store as well as eBay. He's starting bid will be the store price, with a higher Buy it Now option. discgolfvalues ROCK's!




Its called product placement and advertising. Ebay is by far the best advertising tool out there for the money.

Marks a solid dude.


I also would like to see Star Coyotes, but Star Gremlins first.

I believe INNOVA EAST = ZONEDRIVEN (www.zonedriven.com)

can't wait to taco about six of those dx wraiths

you guys find the wraith inconsistent? Hrmmmm...

I find it to be fine. sometimes I turn it too much (put too much an-hyzer angle to start with) but once it leaves my hand I think it's super consistent. (for reference; I throw 175 Star wraiths 450-480')

ohh well to each his/her own

Dave, i pulled an old 10x KC Cheetah out today and was surprised how well that baby performs.
My friend thought i should keep it in the bag.
Any chance whatsoever you could be talked into STAR Cheetahs? :eek: :D

hey Dave, i like to throw old XDs, was wondering if you could make some XDs in the soft avair-x plastic? thats the only plastic i can compare the older xd plastic with.

Luda



We have been running softer XDs lately. The older XDs have been stiffer, so I guess I don't understand what you are saying.



well i've had it for some time, and have hit so many trees its soft now :D
maybe what i mean is gripper

thanks Luda

DX Wraiths today! I can't wait.

Did any 150-class get molded?



Yes. They are being molded now.

Dave

I bought a Star wraith the other day, I was really enjoying it, nice glide and very dependable hyzer, i hit a tree 250 down the fairway fairly solid, didnt really think much of it, went to throw it on the next hole in a tail wind with hyzer release, the thing flipped up and turned ended up almost 120 off line right, I asked a few of my friends around town and they have noticed that the plastic is not very durable, Is there plans to change the plastic to increase durability? Have you heard other complaints about the Star durability?



I have heard no complaints at all. Are you sure you have a Star Wraith and not a Pro?

Any word on those colored star sl's? And will there be colored areo's?



As far as I can remember, (being at home now), the SL run is done and included colors other than white.

A couple of questions. Can you order direct from Innova East?

No, unless you are a dealer.


Dave, is the roadrunner on the star list yet? I have recently decided that it is a better disc than the sidewinder (more consistant). It's kind of like a longer Leopard.



Yes, it's on the list, but down the line a bit.

I believe INNOVA EAST = ZONEDRIVEN (www.zonedriven.com)



Jonathan Poole owns Zonedriven

[QUOTE]
Dave, i pulled an old 10x KC Cheetah out today and was surprised how well that baby performs.
My friend thought i should keep it in the bag.
Any chance whatsoever you could be talked into STAR Cheetahs? :eek: :D[/quote

The Cheetah used to be Ken C's favorite driver before he went to the TeeBird. Not much chance in the regular line, but always a special run chance.

Dave,
nice art on the DX Wraith.
A huge thanks as well for the STAR plastic, I will be filling my bag with it.

Dave, i pulled an old 10x KC Cheetah out today and was surprised how well that baby performs.
My friend thought i should keep it in the bag.
Any chance whatsoever you could be talked into STAR Cheetahs? :eek: :D



The Cheetah used to be Ken K's favorite driver before he went to the TeeBird. Not much chance in the regular line, but always a special run chance.



by Ken K i am thinking you mean Ken C. (as in Champ)? :D

maybe i'll have to give these TeeBird thingies a whirl :D

can't wait to taco about six of those dx wraiths



I threw one today. More stable into the wind than my not so beat Star, it was about the same as a new Champion Starfire (X). Nice and stiff. Oh, I was throwing a 170g, all the rest of my drivers are 175. Into a headwind (l to r) I got it to fly 30 feet farther than my other drivers. Star, Pro Wraith, new and worn Starfire X, Star Sidewinder, Night Shift Orc.

Dave

I bought a Star wraith the other day, I was really enjoying it, nice glide and very dependable hyzer, i hit a tree 250 down the fairway fairly solid, didnt really think much of it, went to throw it on the next hole in a tail wind with hyzer release, the thing flipped up and turned ended up almost 120 off line right, I asked a few of my friends around town and they have noticed that the plastic is not very durable, Is there plans to change the plastic to increase durability? Have you heard other complaints about the Star durability?



I have heard no complaints at all. Are you sure you have a Star Wraith and not a Pro?



It is a star, I have pro wraiths that have taken a lot more abuse than this star wraith did, and still hold a line, I am on the bandwagon with the (wraith is tempermental) line of thought, I have rolled my sb orc into a trash can from 50 feet hard enough to see the scuff on the can, and it still flies true. I am going to assume that this is a chareristic of the wraith and just keep buying the pro models that seem more durable and consistant. :D

Into a headwind (l to r) I got it to fly 30 feet farther than my other drivers. Star, Pro Wraith, new and worn Starfire X, Star Sidewinder, Night Shift Orc.



Well alright!!!!! :D:D

can't wait to taco about six of those dx wraiths



I threw one today. More stable into the wind than my not so beat Star, it was about the same as a new Champion Starfire (X). Nice and stiff. Oh, I was throwing a 170g, all the rest of my drivers are 175. Into a headwind (l to r) I got it to fly 30 feet farther than my other drivers. Star, Pro Wraith, new and worn Starfire X, Star Sidewinder, Night Shift Orc.



Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Last summer I bought a stack of dx orcs and blew my personal distance records out of the water. Unfortunately, I was drawn into temptation and threw them alot, and made lots of tree contact. Hopefully sanity will remain in sight and I won't repeat the error.

**** I can't wait to get a few of those.

maybe i'll have to give these TeeBird thingies a whirl :D



You don't throw TeeBirds?!? :D :D :D

dave,
you finally have the star TL link on your discs page but it is a dead link. are they already out or is this a mistake?

Hi Dave,
The new gummy Japan Rocs are very cool. I think some are just over 150g. How does it actually work in the Japan Open? Do they weigh the discs? Is it like 150 class and they allow a few grams over, or is it an honor system? I don't know if I'll ever get to play in the Japan Open, but I am curious.
Thanks,
Axis

dave,
you finally have the star TL link on your discs page but it is a dead link. are they already out or is this a mistake?



No, they are not out yet, but very soon as they have been running for a couple of weeks.

Hi Dave,
The new gummy Japan Rocs are very cool. I think some are just over 150g. How does it actually work in the Japan Open? Do they weigh the discs? Is it like 150 class and they allow a few grams over, or is it an honor system? I don't know if I'll ever get to play in the Japan Open, but I am curious.
Thanks,
Axis



They Japanese are very scrupulous. I believe they check every disc they get in Japan. They may also check the Japanese player's discs. They have not checked the American player's discs yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do in the future.

Hi Dave,
The new gummy Japan Rocs are very cool. I think some are just over 150g. How does it actually work in the Japan Open? Do they weigh the discs? Is it like 150 class and they allow a few grams over, or is it an honor system? I don't know if I'll ever get to play in the Japan Open, but I am curious.
Thanks,
Axis



this is a good question, I have several discs that I took to a friend who has a digital scale ( :D) almost all of them weighed a few grams more than they said one of my rocs weighed 191, that is a little heavier than the 176 it was factory marked with. :confused:

Hi Dave,
How long were the Ontario rocs produced? A couple of years? Maybe 1995-1996? Surely not a very big window.
Thanks,
Axis

Hi Dave, the "New Troof" here....

How's the production of the 2006 champion rocs coming?
Any spy photos of the art contest winners yet? I would love to know what I"m going to get!!
With that, are they going to contact my from my partner package concerning my allottment of rocs or do I need to contact them? If the latter, please PM me the info!
Thanks!!!!

I emailed Zonedriven asking this same question. Response was they will contact us soon. They weren't sure of the release date, they're waiting on stamping. But, they're still shooting for March 1st.

There is no way that pro wraiths are more durable than star wraiths. Sorry. Maybe you got a defective disc.

true dat. My star wraith has taken some solid hits that put more than one pro wraith into early retirement. I was absolutely amazed by the durability of the star line!!! Don't let the grip fool you, this stuff is like the TuffSkins of disc golf! :D

Dave,
when did you start with the abbreviations under the discs?

Hi Dave,
The new gummy Japan Rocs are very cool. I think some are just over 150g. How does it actually work in the Japan Open? Do they weigh the discs? Is it like 150 class and they allow a few grams over, or is it an honor system? I don't know if I'll ever get to play in the Japan Open, but I am curious.
Thanks,
Axis



this is a good question, I have several discs that I took to a friend who has a digital scale ( :D) almost all of them weighed a few grams more than they said one of my rocs weighed 191, that is a little heavier than the 176 it was factory marked with. :confused:



All of those discs can be returned. That 191 Roc probably should be returned.

Hi Dave,
How long were the Ontario rocs produced? A couple of years? Maybe 1995-1996? Surely not a very big window.
Thanks,
Axis



I am not sure exactly how long it was produced, but it was used up to 1997 or 98, maybe longer. The starting date is a little more vague, but I believe it started in 1988-89, but at that time the core engraving said San Marino. The engraving was later changed to Ontario. The Classic Roc, (the 175 gm max small Roc), used the same core, so the engraving for both would have changed at the same time.

Hi Dave, the "New Troof" here....

How's the production of the 2006 champion rocs coming?
Any spy photos of the art contest winners yet? I would love to know what I"m going to get!!
With that, are they going to contact my from my partner package concerning my allottment of rocs or do I need to contact them? If the latter, please PM me the info!
Thanks!!!!



The USDGC Champion Rocs have all been shipped to Rock Hill. You would have to get your info or spy pics from them. I believe Zonedriven is handling them, but it might be Innova East.

Dave,
when did you start with the abbreviations under the discs?



I think it was around 1995 when we moved here to Rancho Cucamonga. I don't remember marking letters before, so it was probably after that.

Dave,

Is the new Star Aviar the putter small bead, or putter big bead mold like the Champion Aviars?

Thanks.

small bead, p&a mold

Dave,

Is the new Star Aviar the putter small bead, or putter big bead mold like the Champion Aviars?

Thanks.



It is the putter mold. Beadless.

Dave,
I thought I'd get this info from the "dx wraith" thread, but it was just a terrorist hyjacked thread about what other manufacturer's disc do.

How does the dx wraith fly as compared to the other plastics in the mold? If a "getting beat" cfr wraith is too flippy for me, is it worth trying out the dx. I've found that the dx is usually less stable out of the box in most molds. Thanks!

troof

Dave,
I thought I'd get this info from the "dx wraith" thread, but it was just a terrorist hyjacked thread about what other manufacturer's disc do.

How does the dx wraith fly as compared to the other plastics in the mold? If a "getting beat" cfr wraith is too flippy for me, is it worth trying out the dx. I've found that the dx is usually less stable out of the box in most molds. Thanks!

troof



The Wraith is made in the new DX driver plastic. We ran this stuff about a year ago in a couple of molds to try it out. This starts out a little more stable than candy if anything. If you're not sure whether to try it or not, I would suggest you wait a little bit for the reviews by people who have tried it.

I just bought a 2005 "retooled blue, 180 gram CE ROC. WHat are its flight charictaristics and what is retooled about it?

Dave,
I thought I'd get this info from the "dx wraith" thread, but it was just a terrorist hyjacked thread about what other manufacturer's disc do.

How does the dx wraith fly as compared to the other plastics in the mold? If a "getting beat" cfr wraith is too flippy for me, is it worth trying out the dx. I've found that the dx is usually less stable out of the box in most molds. Thanks!

troof



The Wraith is made in the new DX driver plastic. We ran this stuff about a year ago in a couple of molds to try it out. This starts out a little more stable than candy if anything. If you're not sure whether to try it or not, I would suggest you wait a little bit for the reviews by people who have tried it.



The DX Wraith @ only $7-$7.50, my suggestion would be. Buy 4 and hit the field! :cool:

I just bought a 2005 "retooled blue, 180 gram CE ROC. WHat are its flight charictaristics and what is retooled about it?



did you buy it on EBay? I think what the guy meant was that the SB Rocs are based on the blunter-nosed Ontario Roc. (though they say 'Rancho' on the bottom) So maybe a more accurate description would be "retro-tooled"? They are a Roc in SB (aka: STAR) plastic and they are a bit less overstable than the other USDGC Rocs. I love them -- they fill my overstable midrange niche and the Coyote fills my stable/understable one. ymmv

I just bought a 2005 "retooled blue, 180 gram CE ROC. WHat are its flight charictaristics and what is retooled about it?



I agree with AviarX. I believe you are describing a Special Blend Roc, which was the blunt nosed Ontario type. These are straighter flying than their Rancho counterparts which tend to be slightly overstable.

hey Dave,
I am interested in getting my hands on some of the 2006 CE ROC's. Where can I find info on when exactly and where I can get them. I went to Innova's web site and all I found was info on 2005 ce roc's! Thanks in advance!

hey Dave,
I am interested in getting my hands on some of the 2006 CE ROC's. Where can I find info on when exactly and where I can get them. I went to Innova's web site and all I found was info on 2005 ce roc's! Thanks in advance!



You can go to usdgc.com (http://www.usdgc.com)

Dave, I'm getting giddy thinking about star firebirds and tls. Can you give us an eta on when they will be available? You don't have to be exact, but please tell me something like, before the end of the month.
Also, Star Rhynos???? Please say yes! If you make star rhynos soon I promise to throw them instead of my wasps and wizards, PROMISE!

Dave, I'm getting giddy thinking about star firebirds and tls. Can you give us an eta on when they will be available? You don't have to be exact, but please tell me something like, before the end of the month.
Also, Star Rhynos???? Please say yes! If you make star rhynos soon I promise to throw them instead of my wasps and wizards, PROMISE!



The Star Firebird is starting to run tomorrow. Not sure how long it will take to get them to stores considering running them, stamping them, and shipping them. We will make Star Rhynos, but it's not firmly in the schedule yet. Probably several weeks out yet.

What about star TLs? I heard a rumor that some places have them and are stamping them and they are ready to sell to customers, is that true?

What about star TLs? I heard a rumor that some places have them and are stamping them and they are ready to sell to customers, is that true?



The SLs are out, but not the TLs as yet. Should be the end of next week.

The Wraith is made in the new DX driver plastic. We ran this stuff about a year ago in a couple of molds to try it out. This starts out a little more stable than candy if anything. If you're not sure whether to try it or not, I would suggest you wait a little bit for the reviews by people who have tried it.



Hi Dave, which molds did you ran? What is different in feeling between "normal" dx and the driver dx?

Im not Dave, but I have seen them in Rocs and Beasts. The Rocs have a superstiff Poppy Top, and the Beasts are similar. Those Beasts go farther than Wraiths, but are hard to find. They are also extremly overstable.

Its not a little pop either, its obnoxious how loud it is.

The Wraith is made in the new DX driver plastic. We ran this stuff about a year ago in a couple of molds to try it out. This starts out a little more stable than candy if anything. If you're not sure whether to try it or not, I would suggest you wait a little bit for the reviews by people who have tried it.



Hi Dave, which molds did you ran? What is different in feeling between "normal" dx and the driver dx?




So far, we have run Wraiths, Orcs, Beasts, some Rocs. It feels grippier, a little stiffer, domier, and flexier.

I found a disc commeratin KCs 6X World Championship. Just wondering what it is looks like some kind of viper or ram or somthing.

Those were released in several molds. I have a Viper and a Roc.

Most likely a Viper.

I found a disc commeratin KCs 6X World Championship. Just wondering what it is looks like some kind of viper or ram or somthing.




Um, excuse me? Did someone say, "RAM?" :)

Tell me that the champ used to throw some rams! someone, anyone!!! :D

I found a disc commeratin KCs 6X World Championship. Just wondering what it is looks like some kind of viper or ram or somthing.




Um, excuse me? Did someone say, "RAM?" :)

Tell me that the champ used to throw some rams! someone, anyone!!! :D



you want the troof? :D

you want the troof? :D



For the sake of completing the joke.....

You cant handle the troof!

Not to be confused with anything uh...shall we say...'funny'!

I think it is a Viper. BTW was the first driver I ever owned "150 Class"

ce

I found a disc commeratin KCs 6X World Championship. Just wondering what it is looks like some kind of viper or ram or somthing.



I don't know, but I would guess it's a Viper. Vipers used to be Kenny's number one driver. He carried several in various stages of wear.

Dave,
I like the 5 new stamps for this years USDGC Roc's. Cool selection of colors too. Would love to know where the one and only clear Roc is. Keep up the good work.

where did you see the stamps?

http://www.zonedriven.com/hangar.html

I called to place my order because it says that the USDGC Partner's could order on the 20th. They didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe tomorrow.

Dave, was it always intentional that the San Marino, Ontario, and Rancho Roc molds were different or was this just an artifact of the mold-making process?

And also, was there ever an issue made about having separate PDGA approval for discs from each different mold?

where did you see the stamps?



http://www.zonedriven.com/images/rocs3.jpg

Is it me or is this years USDGC rocs going to confuse everyone? I'm pretty sure that the general consensus was that the special blend is the STAR plastic. But this years USDGC rocs list special blend for some stamps and STAR for others. Add this from the zonedriven site:
Special Blend Rocs should also prove popular as this is quite likely the final run of Special Blend discs. These, like the Star Rocs, are pretty straight flyers.

Last year for the special blend? That really makes it sound like special blend is different than STAR. Is this just a mix up on zonedrivens part or what?

From which Roc-molds are they made?

Dave, was it always intentional that the San Marino, Ontario, and Rancho Roc molds were different or was this just an artifact of the mold-making process?

And also, was there ever an issue made about having separate PDGA approval for discs from each different mold?



The San Marino and Ontario molds were the same except for the engraving. There was a difference in appearance and flight due to the molding and materials. With the Ontario version, we went through a period of time where we couldn't get the original plastic we used as it had been discontinued, and we couldn't find a substitute for a couple of years. It was pretty frustrating dealing with plastics salesmen that couldn't answer a simple question. It was a woman, (the only woman plastics agent I can remember), who knew the answer. We found the plastic, and were able to rum good Rocs again. To ensure we would not be in that situation again, we created the Rancho, which can run on anything.
It was intentional to make the Rancho Roc more like the Original San Marino. Over the years the Ontario version/stage became less and less stable and more like a Shark. The Rancho was tooled to address this problem. If we renamed the Roc something like Cro, there would be an issue. Different is also relative. Roc fans can certainly tell the minute differences in tooling, but even with the tooling changes, it would be difficult to tell some of the original San Marinos from some of the Rocs we are making now.

Is it me or is this years USDGC rocs going to confuse everyone? I'm pretty sure that the general consensus was that the special blend is the STAR plastic. But this years USDGC rocs list special blend for some stamps and STAR for others. Add this from the zonedriven site:
Special Blend Rocs should also prove popular as this is quite likely the final run of Special Blend discs. These, like the Star Rocs, are pretty straight flyers.

Last year for the special blend? That really makes it sound like special blend is different than STAR. Is this just a mix up on zonedrivens part or what?



Special Blend is Star, but Special Blend was done a year or more ago. As plastics change from batch to batch sometimes, it's sometimes helpful to denote the vintage, so to speak. The first run of Special Blend Rocs were
slightly different from the second. The Star Rocs are slightly different from the two SB Rocs. The first SB version was in a Ontario configuration. The second SB version, was semi Ontario. The Stars are in Rancho. What you can expect from the flight is another matter. This, you can get from the USDGC site, but generally all of the SB and Stars, are straighter flying than their Champion counterparts, I am told.

sorry dave i'm a little confused. are you saying the SB rocs for this year are made from leftover plastic from last year? and STAR is a new batch of the plastic?

: ) :

My posse was pretty upset when I read that other partners have been ordering rocs for 3 days before I "stumbled" across the info buried deep in the zonedriven site.
Weren't they supposed to contact the partner package people before the time they could start to order? That's what we were all told? I"m confused...

They should have. I received a email about the rocs coming.

They should have. I received a email about the rocs coming.



I did...last night :(

I got mine yesterday as well. But, they were not selling them until this morning. I ordered mine an hour ago. I can't wait to throw a gold Roc.

sorry dave i'm a little confused. are you saying the SB rocs for this year are made from leftover plastic from last year? and STAR is a new batch of the plastic?

: ) :



The SBs are a previous run. Stars are new

sorry dave i'm a little confused. are you saying the SB rocs for this year are made from leftover plastic from last year? and STAR is a new batch of the plastic?

: ) :




The SBs are a previous run. Stars are new


Dave--which plastic do you like better?

Dave, is the JLS from the same platform as the Teebird and Eagle?

DX. But between Star and SB; no difference for me. I like both better than Champion. :)

Dave, is the JLS from the same platform as the Teebird and Eagle?



Similar, but not the same.

It's too bad they chose to immortalize hole 7 at the Winthrop University course, with its heinous artificiality. I can think of many other holes at that course more worthy.

Hey Dave, are you planning on running big bead Star Aviars and if so how far out do you think they are? If they mold up without feeling too bulky/domey that could be one sweet approach disc or putter. thanks

Hey Dave, are you planning on running big bead Star Aviars and if so how far out do you think they are? If they mold up without feeling too bulky/domey that could be one sweet approach disc or putter. thanks



No plans at this time.

Hey Dave, are you planning on running big bead Star Aviars and if so how far out do you think they are? If they mold up without feeling too bulky/domey that could be one sweet approach disc or putter. thanks




Get a 10x KC Aviar. If you can find one.

Discgolfvalues.com has 10x KC aviar's all at 174g, I think

It's too bad they chose to immortalize hole 7 at the Winthrop University course, with its heinous artificiality. I can think of many other holes at that course more worthy.



did you send in an entry for the design contest? Which hole would you like to see on next year's Roc?
Maybe 18 years hence, we could have a Roc for every hole :eek:

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Hey Dave, are you planning on running big bead Star Aviars and if so how far out do you think they are? If they mold up without feeling too bulky/domey that could be one sweet approach disc or putter. thanks



Our original plans were to issue both the putter star and driver star aviars. After we made the putter star, it seemed superfluous as the putter star flies true at high and low speeds. We may make the driver version in the future, but it is on hold for now.

Hi Dave,

Out of curiosity, whats the lifeline of the Big Bead?

I have a 92 Worlds Biggest Big Bead, but havent seen alot of the DX versions.

Hi Dave,

Out of curiosity, whats the lifeline of the Big Bead?

I have a 92 Worlds Biggest Big Bead, but havent seen alot of the DX versions.



The DX version was the first to be produced. It was made with the putter mold. When the KC and JK came out, we made a driver mold to mate with the big bead. The big bead in DX became the Aviar Driver. This model was later replaced by the Classic Aviar with small bead. The Pro Aviar came next and is one of three existing inventory versions. The Pro version will be replaced at some point.

Hey Dave

I have a small request to ask you. I have been looking for overstable midrange disc for long time. Innova does not have one, and I ended up brought Drone and it helped with my certain situation shots. All in my bags are Innovas and I am feeling like a traitor. Please make overstable midrange disc for all Innova fans!

a small request :D

Try a gator, CE Roc or a whippet.

Champion Sharks and KC Pro Rocs seem way stable to me...
I guess you want bigtime OVERstability. Glow CE Roc?

i have thoses and it doesnt work well with my needs. CE rocs?? well i dont have thick wallet to spend on one disc.

I had the same problem, so I switched to a ch. gator. This disc doesn't go quite as far as the drone, but it works perfect for me.

Hey Dave

I have a small request to ask you. I have been looking for overstable midrange disc for long time. Innova does not have one, and I ended up brought Drone and it helped with my certain situation shots. All in my bags are Innovas and I am feeling like a traitor. Please make overstable midrange disc for all Innova fans!

a small request :D



We have several discs that might fit the bill. Most of the discs named are not that overstable. The Whippet would be most overstable with good range, next the Viper, then the Banshee. These used to be drivers, but may suffice as mid to fairway now. And there is always the Ram. Of these, my guess is the Banshee is the closest to the characterist with a little more speed.

Hey Dave

I have a small request to ask you. I have been looking for overstable midrange disc for long time. Innova does not have one, and I ended up brought Drone and it helped with my certain situation shots. All in my bags are Innovas and I am feeling like a traitor. Please make overstable midrange disc for all Innova fans!

a small request :D



We have several discs that might fit the bill. Most of the discs named are not that overstable. The Whippet would be most overstable with good range, next the Viper, then the Banshee. These used to be drivers, but may suffice as mid to fairway now. And there is always the Ram. Of these, my guess is the Banshee is the closest to the characterist with a little more speed.



make new one?? for midrange?? :D

Hey Dave, are you planning on running big bead Star Aviars and if so how far out do you think they are? If they mold up without feeling too bulky/domey that could be one sweet approach disc or putter. thanks



Our original plans were to issue both the putter star and driver star aviars. After we made the putter star, it seemed superfluous as the putter star flies true at high and low speeds. We may make the driver version in the future, but it is on hold for now.



Hey Dave , any chance in the future of making Glow Star Plastic ? Not sure if all the polymers would be totally cohesive though ? Just inquiring.

I do like the new Star Valkerie though. Has great float/carry and is nice and stable at the end of it's flight. Very nice disc. Thank you !!!! :D

Oh , someone ask me if you will ever run Star Whippets ?

I don't think we can run glo star. As for Star Whippets..Maybe.

Star Whippets would be great along with Star Gremlins!!! I will take 15 each!!!!!!

Star Monster would be cool.

Dave, a while ago you said that y'all were disappointed with how well(or not well) the viking was selling.

Can we assume that the viking may be one disc that you will not make in STAR plastic?

In fact, are there any discs that you are 99% certain that you will not run in star plastic?

Dave, a while ago you said that y'all were disappointed with how well(or not well) the viking was selling.

Can we assume that the viking may be one disc that you will not make in STAR plastic?

In fact, are there any discs that you are 99% certain that you will not run in star plastic?



No Star Coupes. :) Given enough time, we might do any model in Star except those that we can't, like 150 gm Dragons. Some of these might go into cfr or a specialty offering, but I don't see any reason not to do anything that has a demand if we have time. Vikings will be included in the regular runs in time.

Is there a projected date for the release of the Star TL and Star Firebird? Wish I had a couple of TL's this week ... any chance that there might be some at the Memorial?

Dave,
What would be the flight differences between the Star Valk and the Star SL?

I had the same problem, so I switched to a ch. gator. This disc doesn't go quite as far as the drone, but it works perfect for me.



That's a great disc for a sure-thing hyzer. I have a couple of max weight and true, they don't fly super far, but you can buy a few grams light and get some distance.
You could always try a ram!

... used to be drivers, but may suffice as mid to fairway now. And there is always the <font color="red"> Ram. </font>



:D:D:D:D:D

Sorry for the triple post....but I just had to say that there are 63,067 (including this one) posts in the "New" ask Dave forum, which is, what?, the third reincarnation of the thread?! That's amazing! What other sport will you get a manufacturer to be so responsive to the public's questions? None! Disc golf is certainly a unique community and family!

Thanks Dave for answering all of our questions and taking time out of your day to keep all of us smiling! :)

Thanks!!!!

Is there a projected date for the release of the Star TL and Star Firebird? Wish I had a couple of TL's this week ... any chance that there might be some at the Memorial?



The TL is before the Firebird, which just started. I don't think there will be any at the Memorial, but we will be done running by then.

I love using the Champion Gator for those shots where you need to break hard to the left or right, but don't want much roll or skip when it hits the ground (e.g. Firebird, Drone, Demon). I throw the Gator hard and flat and it's like there's a string attached to it and makes it break around whatever corner I'm shooting around.

How much more overstable is the Bulldog than the Gator? If I can throw a Gator aproximately 200 feet before it fades, how far would I be able to throw that Bulldog?

Dave,
What would be the flight differences between the Star Valk and the Star SL?



Theoretically, the Star SL should be a little more stable high speed, and be a little longer flying. I have not compared the two side by side. It does seem that the Star plastic is making the Sidewinder and Valkyrie a tad more stable than their Champion counterparts.

Dave,
How far down the line is the Star Leopard?

I love using the Champion Gator for those shots where you need to break hard to the left or right, but don't want much roll or skip when it hits the ground (e.g. Firebird, Drone, Demon). I throw the Gator hard and flat and it's like there's a string attached to it and makes it break around whatever corner I'm shooting around.

How much more overstable is the Bulldog than the Gator? If I can throw a Gator aproximately 200 feet before it fades, how far would I be able to throw that Bulldog?



The Bulldog is not as overstable as the Gator. It's not as fast either, so I can't answer the question properly.

It wont go as far as the Gator, but the flight will be very similar. You also have to crush the Bulldog to get distance. Throwing them on a big anny helps. Similar to a sky roller anny, only the Bulldog will pull out and stabilize. I like the Gator for S shots also, especially forehand.

Dave...I have some really light(around 100 grams) rocs...are these legal for tournies?...my 5 year old throws them and is playing the TWC...I can find max weight for most discs but not minimums

Dave,
I was wondering if innova ever made any iron-on patches with either the roc or beast insignia, like the decals you offer.

thanks,
whit

Dave...I have some really light(around 100 grams) rocs...are these legal for tournies?...my 5 year old throws them and is playing the TWC...I can find max weight for most discs but not minimums


They are PDGA-legal, and also a super disc for accuracy competitions (if the air is calm)!

Dave...I have some really light(around 100 grams) rocs...are these legal for tournies?...my 5 year old throws them and is playing the TWC...I can find max weight for most discs but not minimums



Yes, there is no light weight limit for PDGA tournies.

Dave,
I was wondering if innova ever made any iron-on patches with either the roc or beast insignia, like the decals you offer.

thanks,
whit



I don't remember any, but it's a good idea.

Thanks...I did not want to be a bad caddie and put an illegal disc in the bag :o

Dave. The Star Aviars are sweet. I have not carried an Aviar in a while but this one is definatly in the bag. Great job! Still hoping for that Star Classic Roc though. Also, I know you have probably mentioned it but, do you have an estimate for the Star Coyotes. I have not thrown a Coyote yet but have heard only good things about it. I'd rather not buy a champion if the Star will be out reasonably soon. Or I guess I could get a glow Coyote. That would still serve a purpose if (like you have said) you can't make glow star (although that would be money (I just watched Swingers)).

Are there any Star XD's out yet?

Are there any Star XD's out yet?



They would get my vote!!! :D

Dave,
What would be the flight differences between the Star Valk and the Star SL?



Not really the same type of thing but the Star SL seems to resist turn more then the wraith and seems more overstable.

Dave,
What would be the flight differences between the Star Valk and the Star SL?



Not really the same type of thing but the Star SL seems to resist turn more then the wraith and seems more overstable.



Hmmmm.........I have thrown both and like them both.
I think the Star Valk maybe..........maybe.......a bit faster than the Star SL.

Dave:

Is this stamp and the 1 or 2 others ( I know there was a mirage stamp) the 1st full colors produced by Innova?
http://i12.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/54/13/af_1.JPG

Dave. The Star Aviars are sweet. I have not carried an Aviar in a while but this one is definatly in the bag. Great job! Still hoping for that Star Classic Roc though. Also, I know you have probably mentioned it but, do you have an estimate for the Star Coyotes. I have not thrown a Coyote yet but have heard only good things about it. I'd rather not buy a champion if the Star will be out reasonably soon. Or I guess I could get a glow Coyote. That would still serve a purpose if (like you have said) you can't make glow star (although that would be money (I just watched Swingers)).



We don't have a time line for Coyotes. I want to do Star and DX as our new DX should be a good match for the Coyote. The Coyote is a disc that I use, so if I can sneak it in sooner rather than later, I will.

Are there any Star XD's out yet?



No, and it will still be a while.

Dave:

Is this stamp and the 1 or 2 others ( I know there was a mirage stamp) the 1st full colors produced by Innova?
http://i12.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/54/13/af_1.JPG



It was among the first.

We don't have a time line for Coyotes. I want to do Star and DX as our new DX should be a good match for the Coyote. The Coyote is a disc that I use, so if I can sneak it in sooner rather than later, I will.



what happened to the March ETA for Star Coyotes and Star Starfires? Is that still do-able or have they been pushed back? :eek:

Dave:

Is this stamp and the 1 or 2 others ( I know there was a mirage stamp) the 1st full colors produced by Innova?
http://i12.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/54/13/af_1.JPG



It was among the first.



I put the DISC GOLF in that one, and the purty sky.

We don't have a time line for Coyotes. I want to do Star and DX as our new DX should be a good match for the Coyote. The Coyote is a disc that I use, so if I can sneak it in sooner rather than later, I will.



what happened to the March ETA for Star Coyotes and Star Starfires? Is that still do-able or have they been pushed back? :eek:



Not doable right now. We are currently running Champion Starfires. Star will follow. Star Coyote won't make March.

Dave:

Is this stamp and the 1 or 2 others ( I know there was a mirage stamp) the 1st full colors produced by Innova?
http://i12.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/54/13/af_1.JPG



This was one of the first INNColor designs produced.

Full color is a different process used by INNOVA that has been around for years.

Dave. The Star Aviars are sweet. I have not carried an Aviar in a while but this one is definatly in the bag. Great job! Still hoping for that Star Classic Roc though. Also, I know you have probably mentioned it but, do you have an estimate for the Star Coyotes. I have not thrown a Coyote yet but have heard only good things about it. I'd rather not buy a champion if the Star will be out reasonably soon. Or I guess I could get a glow Coyote. That would still serve a purpose if (like you have said) you can't make glow star (although that would be money (I just watched Swingers)).



We don't have a time line for Coyotes. I want to do Star and DX as our new DX should be a good match for the Coyote. The Coyote is a disc that I use, so if I can sneak it in sooner rather than later, I will.





Why dont you start throwing Gremlins then also? ;)

Dave,

Any word of the Star Leopards?

Dave,

Any word of the Star Leopards?



No time frame yet for the Star Leopards

Dave,

I couldn't find a result but; did Innova ever decide if there will be a Des signature disc?

Dave,

Any word of the Star Leopards?



No time frame yet for the Star Leopards



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Special Blend is Star, but Special Blend was done a year or more ago. As plastics change from batch to batch sometimes, it's sometimes helpful to denote the vintage, so to speak.



Dave - would the Tulsa Worlds Special Blend Orcs be considered the original vintage of SB plastic or part of the newer Star batch?

Thanks.

Dave,

I couldn't find a result but; did Innova ever decide if there will be a Des signature disc?



Not yet. She does have a limited edition signiture disc as the current World Champion.

Special Blend is Star, but Special Blend was done a year or more ago. As plastics change from batch to batch sometimes, it's sometimes helpful to denote the vintage, so to speak.



Dave - would the Tulsa Worlds Special Blend Orcs be considered the original vintage of SB plastic or part of the newer Star batch?

Thanks.



I would say the Tulsas and the original SB Orcs were pretty much the same, but there might have been a slight difference. If there was a difference, it would be noted by the flexibility. The older stuff would have been a little stiffer as we noted the newer SB plastic was not quite as stiff as the old stuff. The Stars have all been done out of the newer batch, as far as I know.

Dave,

I couldn't find a result but; did Innova ever decide if there will be a Des signature disc?



Not yet. She does have a limited edition signiture disc as the current World Champion.


What disc is it?

Will there ever be any more stiff star plastic? Those original SB Rocs were the best. It would be great to have a stiff star rancho roc.

Whippet!!!! Maybe old mold!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

STAR Whippet? YES PLEASE!!!

Dave,

I couldn't find a result but; did Innova ever decide if there will be a Des signature disc?



Not yet. She does have a limited edition signiture disc as the current World Champion.


What disc is it?



Not sure which disc she choose, but I think it was the Wraith. Most of the 2005 Champions chose the Wraith.

Will there ever be any more stiff star plastic? Those original SB Rocs were the best. It would be great to have a stiff star rancho roc.



The stiffness is largely determined by the plastic manufacturer. They tell us that the recent batch was actually stiffer than before. That is what we have to deal with for now. We can mix it with a stiffer plastic, but that makes for another type of inconsistency.

Dave, THANK YOU FOR MAKING STAR FIREBIRDS AND TLs!!!! (or at least lying about making them to shut me up!)
Now, when are star rhynos comming?
Also, Thank you so much for making rhynos in the 1st place. This is the truest flying disc ever made and is slowly replacing all my other midranges, except understable stuff.
Here's another Q: How many sponsered pro's throw rhynos? Do you throw a rhyno? Why not??
Thanks again Dave.

Dave, THANK YOU FOR MAKING STAR FIREBIRDS AND TLs!!!! (or at least lying about making them to shut me up!)
Now, when are star rhynos comming?
Also, Thank you so much for making rhynos in the 1st place. This is the truest flying disc ever made and is slowly replacing all my other midranges, except understable stuff.
Here's another Q: How many sponsered pro's throw rhynos? Do you throw a rhyno? Why not??
Thanks again Dave.



Don't have a date yet for the Star Rhynos, but they will happen. Star Firebirds are running, Star TLs are about done. Todd Branch was putting with Rhynos. I used to putt with Rhynos, but switched to JKs. The Rhyno was great for me initially as it took a lot of the fear out of putting. Too much overstability. I still use Rhynos in heavy wind or when I play 150 class as I believe it is hands down the best 150 class putter.

Dave, THANK YOU FOR MAKING STAR FIREBIRDS AND TLs!!!! (or at least lying about making them to shut me up!)
Now, when are star rhynos comming?
Also, Thank you so much for making rhynos in the 1st place. This is the truest flying disc ever made and is slowly replacing all my other midranges, except understable stuff.
Here's another Q: How many sponsered pro's throw rhynos? Do you throw a rhyno? Why not??
Thanks again Dave.



Don't have a date yet for the Star Rhynos, but they will happen. Star Firebirds are running, Star TLs are about done. Todd Branch was putting with Rhynos. I used to putt with Rhynos, but switched to JKs. The Rhyno was great for me initially as it took a lot of the fear out of putting. Too much overstability. I still use Rhynos in heavy wind or when I play 150 class as I believe it is hands down the best 150 class putter.



Any time frame on Star JK's ?

STAR Whippet? YES PLEASE!!!



...or any super overstable specialty driver.

Any time frame on Star JK's ?



A Star JK and a Star KC Aviar would be the same thing :eek: since it is the same mold for each. Unless you could make a softer Star JK and a stiffer Star KC ...

i like the idea of a Star JK -- just don't know if it would be the same BUTTER that JK Aviar-x's are in the pro plastic...

Any time frame on Star JK's ?



A Star JK and a Star KC Aviar would be the same thing :eek: since it is the same mold for each. Unless you could make a softer Star JK and a stiffer Star KC ...

i like the idea of a Star JK -- just don't know if it would be the same BUTTER that JK Aviar-x's are in the pro plastic...



Still .................it's worth a try !!!!! With a little Experimenting !!! :D

i agree :D they could do a run of both and we could laugh when someone says they like the KC's better than the JK's :D
(unless they worked out a plastic or color way to make one stiff and the other soft)

the thing is, i guess unless they had Juliana or Ken's names on them there wouldn't be a royalty earned?

Any time frame on Star JK's ?



A Star JK and a Star KC Aviar would be the same thing :eek: since it is the same mold for each. Unless you could make a softer Star JK and a stiffer Star KC ...

i like the idea of a Star JK -- just don't know if it would be the same BUTTER that JK Aviar-x's are in the pro plastic...



Still .................it's worth a try !!!!! With a little Experimenting !!! :D



Aviar X is correct. It's not just the mold that makes the disc. It's the plastic. The JKs and KCs are special plastic in the driver mold. Star plastic in the driver mold would be Star Drivers.

Any time frame on Star JK's ?



A Star JK and a Star KC Aviar would be the same thing :eek: since it is the same mold for each. Unless you could make a softer Star JK and a stiffer Star KC ...

i like the idea of a Star JK -- just don't know if it would be the same BUTTER that JK Aviar-x's are in the pro plastic...



Still .................it's worth a try !!!!! With a little Experimenting !!! :D



Aviar X is correct. It's not just the mold that makes the disc. It's the plastic. The JKs and KCs are special plastic in the driver mold. Star plastic in the driver mold would be Star Drivers.



Nice !!!! Thanks for clarification Dave !!!!! :D

Dave,
Nice to see the STAR TLs are ready to throw. How about some 150-class (pleeeeease)?

BTW - I can't wait for my order of 150g DX Wraiths to arrive. I look forward to seeing what the buzz is all about! :D

DX Wraith ROCKS!

Love the new DX Wraith plastic Dave. Put some pretty solid licks on trees and rocks yesterday with no cutting and minimal scuffing. And no catastrophic changes in flight pattern either. :)

Dave, I'm concerned about the overall durability of the Star Plastic. The feel and flight are outstanding when the plastic is brand new. Even the "rim" of the disc does not scuff or chip like the old Pro plastic. However, the disc's stability over time has been disappointing. Case in point: I purchased a 173 Star Beast and threw it 20-25 ft further than any of my Champ Beasts. But over the course of about a month, this same Star Beast has now become so understable that it's approaching "roller status"! There are no dings or nicks...visually, it's still in perfect condition, but it's stability has been completely comprimised. Now I play in Austin where there are plenty of mesquite trees and rocks, and god knows I have hit my share, but for the stability to change so drastically in a month's time is very disappointing. I asked several other players in my area and have received very similar feed back...Do you think this could be corrected before the second and third runs are released? Until then, I'll stick with the Champion Plastic....

DX Wraith ROCKS!



Just thrown my 173 Dx Wraith today. Really fast. You can force it over and make it turn or just a little turn and have it flex back hyzer really nice !!!!! Nice Stable Dx plastic !!!!

Dave, what's comming after star Firebirds?

jon E P,
Make sure your Older beasts are the same mold as the Star Wraith. The Star Beast has a flatter bottom lip, almost straight, while the original Beasts has a lower angle to it. The original Beast is more overstable, while the Star Beast (and Pro and new DX) are a turnover disc.

The change was made as the Orc was too similar to what the original Beast was. Both are great discs, IMO, but they were simply too similar in characteristics. The new Beast is quite a bit more understable, and if you throw it like you do your older beasts, it will tend to turn over and possibly roll. It's a great finesse disc, give it a little hyzer and it's a great flyer.

Dave, a few questions from an avid rhyno thrower.
1. Are there any plans to mold a star rhyno? if not, WHY.
2. Why was the plastic changed when Innova dropped "Line" from the Pro Line Rhyno stamp (seems the new "Pro Rhyno's" are much softer)?
3. Any chance you know how many of the green "Pro Line" Rhyno's were made?
That's about it. Anyone out there who has any green pro line rhyno's who wants a trade or some cash, lemme know. Thanks

Dave answered your Rhyno question #1 affirmatively on the previous page of this thread, 4th post down.

Dave,

The old 10X Teebirds had many different runs of plastic that ranged from taffy, kc, ce/kc blend. Were there any that were run just with ce plastic only with the 10X stamped on it?

The reason I ask is I have a 10X Teebird with a double stamp clearwater alien stamp that I swear is ce plastic only. I hold it up to the other 2 white/cloudly CE Teebird T mold I have and it looks and feels the same. If so how many do you think were ran? Well I know at let one for sure hehe.

Let me know thanks.

Josh

Here is a picture of it. Kind of cool how the clouds are reflecting of the disc. . http://www.widiscgolf.com/pdga/cetee3.jpg

Hey dave. Important question. Did any of the first run Blueberry Valkyries come with the standard Champion edition stamp?

Hi Dave,

Id just like to thank you for making the Iron Lion custom stamp happen. It is just plain SICK. If theres ever anything I can do for you, dont hesitate to ask.

Nice Dyed Disc !!!!
http://www.widiscgolf.com/pdga/cetee3.jpg

I'd like to get that same dye work and stamp on a Pro Starfire at 173 grams !!!!! :D

Thank you that is actually dyed by me.

hey dave i'm tyring to find the whole line of 1st run of the ce .I'm also trying to find the 1st see throu run of ce. I would like to get them in good condtion if i can. I already looked on e-bay nouthing I relly liked. If you could pont me in the right direction it would be geratful. Just pm me if you have any answer.

Try Mark at discgolfvalues.com Mark has CE discs for sale on his web site, and you can ask him if he has what you're looking for. Tough set to complete, or should I say expensive. Good luck.

I got a DC ProD Challenger in a players pack. I like it and I wonder what Innova disc is most like it ? I think a Bulldog must be more overstable but I hope to try one of those soon.

Aviars and challengers are almost identical.

a dx big bead flies very similar to a pro d challenger. The only thing is that the aviar is more domed and has way more glide.

Aviars and challengers are almost identical.



well, except Aviars have been around for more than 20 years /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Aviars are less overstable than chalengers

you are probably talking about the Aviar P & A.

Aren't Challengers copies of the (more stable) big bead Aviar? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif (aka: JK Aviar-X, KC Pro Aviar, etc.)

Robj: you are mostly correct as far as my observations go. The thing that I've noticed that is different between the two is that the bead on the challenger is slightly wider and flatter than the more narrow and rounded bead on the big bead aviar.

Dave, what's comming after star Firebirds?



The Star FL will follow the Star Firebird

Dave, a few questions from an avid rhyno thrower.
1. Are there any plans to mold a star rhyno? if not, WHY.
2. Why was the plastic changed when Innova dropped "Line" from the Pro Line Rhyno stamp (seems the new "Pro Rhyno's" are much softer)?
3. Any chance you know how many of the green "Pro Line" Rhyno's were made?
That's about it. Anyone out there who has any green pro line rhyno's who wants a trade or some cash, lemme know. Thanks



1. Yes
2. We tried to make it softer to be more like the first run, more durable, and less like the DX.
3. No clue on the green discs, but generally we don't run much green.

Dave,

The old 10X Teebirds had many different runs of plastic that ranged from taffy, kc, ce/kc blend. Were there any that were run just with ce plastic only with the 10X stamped on it?

The reason I ask is I have a 10X Teebird with a double stamp clearwater alien stamp that I swear is ce plastic only. I hold it up to the other 2 white/cloudly CE Teebird T mold I have and it looks and feels the same. If so how many do you think were ran? Well I know at let one for sure hehe.

Let me know thanks.

Josh

Here is a picture of it. Kind of cool how the clouds are reflecting of the disc. . http://www.widiscgolf.com/pdga/cetee3.jpg



Sorry Josh. I don't have any idea how many were run, but judging by the picture they may have specifically been run to be I dyed. If that is the case, it could have been as many as 2000.

Thanks Dave. I figured there had to be a batch run of CE stamped with 10X.

How was the Memorial?

Thanks Dave. I figured there had to be a batch run of CE stamped with 10X.

How was the Memorial?



Memorial was pretty good. The courses were well laid out and very challenging. You had to drive, approach, and putt. Unfortunately I wasn't driving well. Eighteen OB strokes. Weather was very good.

Dave,


What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!)

Dave,


What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!)



TeeRex: More stable Wraith. TeeBird like flight with Wraith distance. Goblin: 175 gm stable point and shoot, one disc disc.

Goblin: 175 gm stable point and shoot, one disc disc.



Similar to Gremlin (maybe less low-speed overstable)? I'm tingly all over! :D

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof

hey Dave--how would the goblin differ from the spider? thanks again

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof



Where will World's (either) be in 2007?!? It seems like they keep planning farther and farther in advance...

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof



Where will World's (either) be in 2007?!? It seems like they keep planning farther and farther in advance...



Not sure. The PDGA offices should know. I know that we'll be a combined Pro/Am/Jr Worlds with 9 or more courses within 15-20 miles apart!
We're competing with the Olympics!

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof



Where will World's (either) be in 2007?!? It seems like they keep planning farther and farther in advance...



These locations have been posted in a few places.

Am worlds - Milwaukee Wi
Pro Worlds - Highbridge Hills in High Bridge Wi the week after am worlds

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof



Where will World's (either) be in 2007?!? It seems like they keep planning farther and farther in advance...



And Farther and Farther away from California , where it is nice year around !!!!! Get out of the Snow and Humidity folks !!!! :D

Hey Dave,
Just wondering how the Star Gremlins are coming along. I know you talked about already running them and you were testing them unless I am mistaken.. LMK when they are expected because i'll probably pick them up over the CE rocs this year :)

-Scott Lewis

Dave, any thoughts yet on Star Panthers?

Dave,


What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!)



TeeRex: More stable Wraith. TeeBird like flight with Wraith distance. Goblin: 175 gm stable point and shoot, one disc disc.



YEA !!!!!!! T-Rex !!!!!!! Named another one !!!!! :D

Thanks for creating the Dx Wraith. Fast and stable !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave, are you serious about the Teerex?
If so, I am going to waste even more money on plastic.
I can finally launch my wraiths under control and now new plastic!! This sounds like an amazing disc if it works :D :D

Hi dave,
Any plans on a bottom stamped DX wraith?

Also, Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Michigan won the bid for the 2008 worlds: all divisions!
(I like to tell people :) )
We're very excited about the opportunity and additional courses that we're starting right away!!!
Will that be enough time for a CFR Ram? ;) ;) ;) :D

-troof



The East Coast office does bottom stamps. You will need to ask them, but I don't see why not. There is plenty of time for a CFR Ram.

hey Dave--how would the goblin differ from the spider? thanks again



The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.

Hey Dave,
Just wondering how the Star Gremlins are coming along. I know you talked about already running them and you were testing them unless I am mistaken.. LMK when they are expected because i'll probably pick them up over the CE rocs this year :)

-Scott Lewis



We did a small test run of Star Gremlins and DX. The Star worked fine, the DX were not as good. The Star will probably go into CFR, but there weren't that many. We got side tracked by new discs and regular runs.

Dave, any thoughts yet on Star Panthers?



No plans on running Star Panthers as yet.

Dave, are you serious about the Teerex?
If so, I am going to waste even more money on plastic.
I can finally launch my wraiths under control and now new plastic!! This sounds like an amazing disc if it works :D :D



I am serious, and it is legal already. Should be available soon.

The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.



Dave. I really appreciate the time you take to work thru this message board.
And I do have a question. You released the Star Stingray, and the Star Aero. My disc supplier THINKS you're going to release a Star Classic Roc. And now you are announcing a Goblin with an Aero "like" flight. What gives here? What do you see in your crystal ball? Or does someone want to re-build their 10 year old bag in Star? :D Next thing you'll be releasing a Star Eagle and a Star Gazelle. Or you could make me :) with a batch of Star Cobra Classics.

What size rim will the Teerex have? Teebird or Wraith?

How about a STAR Pirahna?

The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.



Dave. I really appreciate the time you take to work thru this message board.
And I do have a question. You released the Star Stingray, and the Star Aero. My disc supplier THINKS you're going to release a Star Classic Roc. And now you are announcing a Goblin with an Aero "like" flight. What gives here? What do you see in your crystal ball? Or does someone want to re-build their 10 year old bag in Star? :D Next thing you'll be releasing a Star Eagle and a Star Gazelle. Or you could make me :) with a batch of Star Cobra Classics.



I hope I'm not offending anybody, but a STAR Gazelle would be a sweet disc. I threw Gazelles for a while there when I was building power, but the "candy-like" pro plastic allowed them to lose the stability I liked about them. I know there were some gummy ones made for CFR's, but I couldn't find any that were heavy. A Star one would be awesome...

I love the flight of the teebird. I am sure this might make my bag!! Wow Tee Rex huh.

The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.



how will the Goblin compare to my newfound joy the Coyote?

i know earlier you said that you are surprised the Aero isn't a bigger seller given that it is the best beginner disc out there.
have you ever considered Aeros as an EDGE disc? what are the main EDGE discs?

Next thing you'll be releasing a Star Eagle




eagles are the #$*&$!

What size rim will the Teerex have? Teebird or Wraith?



Also, will the TeeRex be available in Star plastic?

PT Woods
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what are the main EDGE discs?


all about 130g
ace
shark
polecat
rocs are made in 110g premo plastic as well, but they're not edge discs

Dave,
The Star Sidewinder, Stingray and T-bird have been out for 3-4 months. Which other type of plastic has seen the largest change in sales due to the release of the Star line. Is it Pro like everyone initially suspected?

Thanks,
Rob

The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.



Dave. I really appreciate the time you take to work thru this message board.
And I do have a question. You released the Star Stingray, and the Star Aero. My disc supplier THINKS you're going to release a Star Classic Roc. And now you are announcing a Goblin with an Aero "like" flight. What gives here? What do you see in your crystal ball? Or does someone want to re-build their 10 year old bag in Star? :D Next thing you'll be releasing a Star Eagle and a Star Gazelle. Or you could make me :) with a batch of Star Cobra Classics.



Running the Star Eagle now. We are going to make Star Classic Rocs eventually. My crystal ball tells me people are going to like Star and the new
DX too. I do.

What size rim will the Teerex have? Teebird or Wraith?



Wraith

The Goblin is basically a small diameter Aero. It is straighter flying than the Spider and has a little more carry.



how will the Goblin compare to my newfound joy the Coyote?

i know earlier you said that you are surprised the Aero isn't a bigger seller given that it is the best beginner disc out there.
have you ever considered Aeros as an EDGE disc? what are the main EDGE discs?



The Goblin and Coyote will be in the same niche, but they are different sizes and throw differently. I don't think you would need both in your bag. We are looking to make the Goblin the main EDGE disc along with the Polecat. Shark was an EDGE disc, but I think the Goblin is a lot better as a one disc disc, and for younger players.

What size rim will the Teerex have? Teebird or Wraith?



Also, will the TeeRex be available in Star plastic?

PT Woods
# 20431



The TeeRex will only be available in Star and DX for the near future.

Dave,
The Star Sidewinder, Stingray and T-bird have been out for 3-4 months. Which other type of plastic has seen the largest change in sales due to the release of the Star line. Is it Pro like everyone initially suspected?

Thanks,
Rob



I think it is too early to say as seasonal sales rates change, but I suspect it will affect Pro and Champion sales. I also think the new DX will affect Pro sales. That being said, Pro Wraiths and Pro Starfires are still selling well.

Dave, I have a question regarding the new DX plastic that you speak of. Was this new plastic run in the roc mold, and did this plastic make the rocs "poppy top"? I have noticed the same characteristics in the glow roc, and some KC Rocs as well. Thank you.

I got a dx wraith this weekend, and wanted to comment on how much I like this plastic. I'm not sure if the dx wraith will be in my bag, but I know that I'll be getting some new teebirds if you keep making this type of dx.

Star TeeRex .......................Robbie Wilson should be able to throw this a mile !!!! :D

Ok Dave a few more questions...
When do you see the release of the TeeRex? Have you made any or is this still a blueprint?
Also, What makes the "l" versions of discs different? I know they are less stable but how do you get them that way? Are they different molds, different cooling processes or what?
Thanks in advance for your responses!!

Innova Pro players got some TeeRex discs at the Memorial.

omg i would blow a load in pants to have a super long teebird. a teebird and teerex would be all that would be needed for drivers in anybag. of course except for the plastic choices but o well whata gonna do.

Dave, I have a question regarding the new DX plastic that you speak of. Was this new plastic run in the roc mold, and did this plastic make the rocs "poppy top"? I have noticed the same characteristics in the glow roc, and some KC Rocs as well. Thank you.



yes, but we didn't use it in the latest Roc run

Ok Dave a few more questions...
When do you see the release of the TeeRex? Have you made any or is this still a blueprint?
Also, What makes the "l" versions of discs different? I know they are less stable but how do you get them that way? Are they different molds, different cooling processes or what?
Thanks in advance for your responses!!



The TeeRex is in production and should be ready for release in a week or so. The L versions of our discs have a slightly different lower outer edge. This had been necessary for models like the Eagle, TeeBird, and Firebird to correct for material differences. Different materials makes some molds more and less stable depending on how the material sets up during molding.

you said you were running star eagles now. is that EL/ EX?

both? i think you mentioned possibly doing STAR EXs as CFR?

: ) :

Hi Dave,
I love Rocs. I am curious about the one clear Roc that is being auctioned in support of the USDGC and EDGE. Did you make only one on purpose? Or did a clear one just pop out? Was it just a batch of one? Is it really the only one?
Thanks,
Axis

you said you were running star eagles now. is that EL/ EX?

both? i think you mentioned possibly doing STAR EXs as CFR?

: ) :



We previously have switched Eagles back to the originals which were the L type. If we do any X type in the future, they will go into CFR.

Hey Dave, I love Innova and was wondering when the new Stegosaurus putter will be released. I heard it grabs chains really well.

Hi Dave,
I love Rocs. I am curious about the one clear Roc that is being auctioned in support of the USDGC and EDGE. Did you make only one on purpose? Or did a clear one just pop out? Was it just a batch of one? Is it really the only one?
Thanks,
Axis



We didn't do it on purpose but it was probably a variation of the "Ice" runs; an anomaly that didn't get any pigment at all.

What are the ratings going to be on this new TeeRex? Interested about how overstable it is compared to other discs.

What are the ratings going to be on this new TeeRex? Interested about how overstable it is compared to other discs.



The TeeRex is 11, 5, 0, 4, but the 4 is probably a little high.

So this TeeRex is going to be a super fast firebird with loads of glide?
Im starting to feel like throwing innova isn't even fair!!

What are the ratings going to be on this new TeeRex? Interested about how overstable it is compared to other discs.



The TeeRex is 11, 5, 0, 4, but the 4 is probably a little high.



High speed , long distance TeeBird !!!!!! :D

Innova is still # 1

Who do will we bet on , who copies it first though?

Gateway and Discraft will say that Innova copied them. All I know is, I know which one I'm gonna throw! Relate any disc to a teebird and I will buy it!

Longer faster teebird???? :D Mmmmmmwuuuhahahahahahahaaaa
My donkey-sense is tingling!

"Gateway and Discraft will say that Innova copied them. "

I remember throwing Innova when Whamo was the only competition !!!!!

Everything else is secondary !!!!!