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January 19th, 2007

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2007 Virginia Open Update

As of 01/19/2007 we have registered 90 players out of a maximum field of 144 after only 19 days!

Register soon or not at all!

The event will be held on Saturday and Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend (in year's past it has been on Sunday and Monday.)

You can get all the necessary information to register, whether online or otherwise, at http://www.grangediscgolf.com.


This year's Virginia Open will qualify 3 players to the MSDGC and 5 players to the 2007 USDGC!


VIRGINIA OPEN PLAY-IN AT THE GRANGE
We are reserving two spots; 1 Am and 1 Pro
These spots will be awarded at the May Grange Monthly(exact date to be determined)
They will be awarded to the best scoring Am and the best scoring Pro that are not already registered.


Up-Coming Local Events

For more details see http://www.spotsydiscgolf.com.

Saturday February 3rd - Super Doubles - Pratt Park and Loriella Park - TD:Dave Stowell - discgolfdave@adelphia.net

SuperBowl Sunday - "Do You Guys have Balls?" - Grange Sunnyside - Using Footballs instead of Discs - Tee Time 10AM
Format:
Must Kick from tee on initial drive. Punt or Throw afterwards until holed out. Bring your own football. Smaller footballs recommended. If you think you may participate please let me know at blaw@grangediscgolf.com

Saturday February 24th - Grange Monthly #3 - Registration opens around 8:30 - Tee Time 10AM

Saturday March 3rd - Loriella Challenge - B-Tier - Amateurs - TD:Bob Cannon - golfnbob@comcast.net

Sunday March 4th - Loriella Challenge - B-Tier - Pros - TD:Bob Cannon - golfnbob@comcast.net

"Do You Guys have Balls?" - Grange Sunnyside - Using Footballs instead of Discs



I wish I could come up and try this. Sounds like a blast. Will there be actual kicking tees used for the tee shots?

There are kicking tees to be borrowed. If a lot of people come we'll need more. It is a little humbling off the tee pad. Last year was my first time out and I had a blast. After I got away from the tee I did pretty well. Takes too much coordination to get a good kickoff for me.

John
How is the VA sch going? I mean is it done yet?

its done but its in my computer at work- i'll post tomorrow as well as ODDS - there are no major changes, a few things have shuffled around a bit.

loriella challenge is first- info at spotsydiscgolf.com
vti- 3/17-18
sherando 3/24 or 25 - depending on what td actually picks- brandon call me
bluemont- 4/1
bayville - 4/14 tentative
n news 4/15
va states 4/14-15
timber ridge 4/22
va open- memorial day

that should get you started.

most if not all are already posted on md-discgolf.com under the tournament area. 2007 schedule thread. (IF)when the webmaster returns from Fl he will update our schedule page,

pro side is FULL. 15 or so am spots left.

I guess i'll have to sign up as an am.

i signed up today. hawk's check is in the mail, please hold him a spot as i need to apply a beating to him at the grange he will never forget. his exact words today were that he was already counting it as a victory for him!!

The pro field for the 2007 Virginia Open is full.

The Pre-Reg list as posted on the PDGA site for the 2007 Virginia Open was updated at approximately noon today.

The best way to get a spot on the pro waiting list is to go to the on-line registration site and purchase a free waiting list spot.

As of 2:30 Jan 22, 2007 the pro waiting list is:

1.Chris Hysell
2.Eddie Ogburn
3.Kirk Yoo
4.Jeff Yahn

On-line registration at The Grange web site. (http://www.grangediscgolf.com)

HOLY CRAP!!

That's crazy that it is full.

Man I'm glad I registered when I did.

maybe they should go pro only next year ;)










just kidding all you ams :p

Va Open Staff~

Can you tell me how many spots each division is awared? I notice that Open already has 40, and that has been defined as full.

Is this the same for Master,Adv,Am, etc...?

Just wondering how it works.

Thanks

I hope there are more than 40 open players or I might be giving my spot away.









just kidding all you ams :p

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i'm hoping for more as well!! I know lots that want to sign up to play!

the field is limited to 72 pro and 72 am. the pro side already has 72 signed up(masters, woman, GM included)

: ) :

So since you have to be PDGA current to play in this event, do you not have to be PDGA current to register?

Just current before the 2 minute horn sounds??

correct.

I got onto the waiting list and then signed up as an advanced master. I'm currently double dipping. I'm in no matter what unless they correct my players rating and then I might be caddying.

well hysel wayne-o is out and u r n

What happened to Wayne-O?

that's good 'cause he wasn't eligible for adv masters either way.

btw- i predict your rating drops a couple more points rather than comes up. you are going to lose those hot rounds from pohick '05.

I played with Wayno last Saturday and he said he was going back to Tennessee.

1/23/06 Va Open Pro Waiting List

WayneO Brown OUT - Chris Hysell IN

1 Ogburn, Eddie 23102
2 Yahn, Jeff 20914
3 Yoo, Kirk 6161
4 Mabry, Brent 12880
5 Schneider, Nick 26395
6 Johnson, Steve 14228
7 Strojny, Brian 18617
8 Pitts, Patrick 10409
9 Krahn, Nathan 29352
10 Buono, Matt 19987
11 Johnson, BS 21066
12 Bradway, John 10926
13 Wilson, Patrick 22035
14 Lee, Chris 14817
15 Jernigan, Justin 22284
16 DeMar, Sarah 25166

Please sign up for the waiting list even if you feel there is no way you'll get in. Chances are slim at this point but it helps for preparations for next year to know the level of interest. You can sign up for the waiting list at The Grange. (http://www.grangediscgolf.com)

Bryan

Bryan,

I am curious...yesterday I was listed ahead of Jeff Yahn?

Kirk

yeah, that was a mistake... it has since been corrected.

yahn is before yoo anyhow

how often is the registration list updated? i registered online yesterday and can't wait to see my name in lights!!!

Hey Brian, I signed up myself, Nick Schneider and Steve Johnson, so please put me ahead of them.

Any chance of you guys moving to the type of format the WVO is using this year? In light of this year's overflow, I think it would be pretty sweet.

With HUGE apologies to Jeff Yahn and proper deference to Brian Strojny here is the revised waiting list.

The original waiting list posting was correct. My mistake. Here is the correct waiting list:

Sorry for the inconvenience.

1/23/06 Va Open Pro Waiting List
(Revised)

WayneO Brown OUT - Chris Hysell IN

1 Ogburn, Eddie 23102
2 Yoo, Kirk 6161
3 Yahn, Jeff 20914
4 Mabry, Brent 12880
5 Strojny, Brian 18617
6 Schneider, Nick 26395
7 Johnson, Steve 14228
8 Pitts, Patrick 10409
9 Krahn, Nathan 29352
10 Buono, Matt 19987
11 Johnson, BS 21066
12 Bradway, John 10926
13 Wilson, Patrick 22035
14 Lee, Chris 14817
15 Jernigan, Justin 22284
16 DeMar, Sarah 25166

sounds like a good idea to me.

disclaimer- i have nothing directly to do with the running of this event and in no fashion speak for event organizers.

I should never have my name on a waiting list. From now on I expect td's to register me first if it is an ODDS event. I have never missed one and have no intention to do so.

YES SIR.

how often is the registration list updated? i registered online yesterday and can't wait to see my name in lights!!!



The important players are shown.

Wow can't believe the Pro field is full already........

sweeeeeet thanks. Any way of improving my odds of getting in is much appreciated.

shrink the am field!!!!!!!

With HUGE apologies to Jeff Yahn and proper deference to Brian Strojny here is the revised waiting list.

how unfortunate, im taller and younger than yoo. you can make it up by moving me to my rightful spot of #1

if you are a pro rated under 955 you can register as advanced anyway.

Hey old timers, I heard some bad news today about a former Va States champ. Cory Calder is in the hospital in a medically induced coma trying to recover from pneumonia. We need to wish him well.

you can make it up by moving me to my rightful spot of #1



Perhaps, after I'm in...

TThanks, maybe when im rated under 955 ill consider that

yeah, i guess there are advantages to being <955!!! :cool:

Add some more holes.

AMS can play tiki

being rated under 955 aint gonna help you here. the pro playing am is only at B tiers or lower.

: ) :

Add some more holes.



register earlier.

being rated under 955 aint gonna help you here. the pro playing am is only at B tiers or lower.



incorrect according to the competition manual - A tiers are included as well.

being rated under 955 aint gonna help you here. the pro playing am is only at B tiers or lower.



incorrect according to the competition manual - A tiers are included as well.



:eek:

guess i should pay attention to all the changes

: ) :

How many AM spots are left for the Va. Open? I'm glad that I was just allowed to register. See ya'll in May. I love camping! :D :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

take out the intermediate division.

yeah, a tiers were never excluded from pros playing am. but even the am spots will be gone soon. i forsee an am and a pro weekend someday...

How about 144 bagger B-tier on Sat and the the VA Open A-tier on Sunday and Monday? Hmmm? Also a "One and Done if you're Young, Dumb, and..." at Hawk Hollow for Pros on Saturday. Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm?

You could do the same thing at the WVO

that would likely place too much pressure on the facilities at either place. this is one of the reasons for the reduced fields at both events.

I don't think it would be 288 entrants though. The pro side probably won't fill plus there would probably be dozens of Ams playing Pro especially if there was a half priced entry for them. I would guess that it would be about 220 different people entering max which isn't that much more the the normal 180. Plus you could charge a modest "camping fee" ($5 a night?) for all non-playing campers to help with extra facilities.

or just have them different weekends, eh? like pawpaw, as john suggested.

paw paw is maxed out as far as camping,etc at 180 (some would say over maxed out)- the grange even moreso. at 220 people the grange would look like woodstock (insert obvious humorous comments here ;) ) i'm thinking separate weekends is a better solution. it would not surprise me to see a 144 player pro field fill at either event.

Don't give Mike any ideas about woodstock! Although, he just bought the neighbors property along the road - I think it was 5 or 6 acres plus a cabin. Nevertheless, I agree separate weekends is the deal. I believe the pro tournament would definitely fill because the Grange is more convenient for most and I think AMS would think they have more of a chance of cashing at the Grange.

2007 Virginia Open
Pro Waiting List as of 1/24 2:30PM

1 Ogburn, Eddie 23102
2 Yoo, Kirk 6161
3 Yahn, Jeff 20914
4 Mabry, Brent 12880
5 Strojny, Brian 18617
6 Schneider, Nick 26395
7 Johnson, Steve 14228
8 Pitts, Patrick 10409
9 Krahn, Nathan 29352
10 Buono, Matt 19987
11 Johnson, BS 21066
12 Bradway, John 10926
13 Wilson, Patrick 22035
14 Lee, Chris 14817
15 Jernigan, Justin 22284
16 DeMar, Sarah 25166
17 Grasse, Mike 17565
18 Lewis, Will 7674
19 Pelchat, Joe 26151

Will try to get the pre-reg site updated this evening after work.

it doesnt matter all whorely wants to do is get rid of the am while he is there and find a way to try and produce more money for himself :D

but it would not suprise me to see this event follow what the Wvo has done. in the long run i think everyone will be missing out. but hey who am i to voice my opinion

I agree Jason. Hell just do away with ams all together! It is called the Professional Disc golf Association. I knew this day was coming. :(

I LOVE pro-only events. Though I am a 900-rated poopoo with no chance to cash, the higher entry fee pool not only makes for a higher prize pool, but MORE AMENITIES (just ask the MSDGC). So, I don't mind donating $50-150 for a guaranteed fantastic weekend. Rock on, WVO! I'll be battling for DFL this year. And don't be afraid to take the same route, VO; I'd love to battle for DFL next year at you, too.

My $0.02. :D

I think seperate events (PRO and AM) are the way to go for major disc golf tournaments. Also, I like the discounted rate idea for ams playing pro (trophy only) if the tournament field has room for such provisions. People, don't fear change.

i guess 2 cents is better than no cents at all

It's funny how once a player graduates from intermediate and there aren't enough advanced spots, this player pushes to drop intermediate. When this same player improves his skills enough to join open and there aren't enough spots, he starts shouting to drop the advanced division.

Next it's the masters division that is taking up too much room.

But wait, the player then turns 40 and is championing the masters and grandmasters divisions.

It all seems a little selfish to me.

Jesse

My thoughts:

Does it suck that there is a waiting list? Yes
Does it suck that there are players who want to play that won't? Yes
Do I think the field should be 90 instead of 72? Yes

Bu, the TD clearly let everyone know that the tournament was 72 and would fill very very fast. The people on the reigstration list took the warning and got in. Those who did not, it sucks. The fact that there are players from many many states on the list shows that there was enough communication and warning about the event filling.

Next time, get your money in earlier.

You're average tournament needs Adv and Int divisions for the growth of the sport and so the TD can break even. I think any A-tier with limited pro spots should drop Int or Am all together, to cater to pro's since it is an A-tier with more money and prestige. Pro players will travel from far away to play a good A-tier. This should be encouraged and be as easy as possible. Waiting lists when you have 80-90 am players kind of hurts this. Do Am a different day or at least do an Advanced-only am field. We want to grow the sport of course, but at the same time we want our bigger tournaments to have the biggest professional turn-out possible. NT's, A-tiers and so forth should be more "pro-catered" and lower tiers for everyone and for the sport in general. Just my thoughts.

My thoughts:

Does it suck that there is a waiting list? Yes
Does it suck that there are players who want to play that won't? Yes
Do I think the field should be 90 instead of 72? Yes




i think ALL tournaments should be limited to 4 players per hole. fivesomes suck.

i dont have a problem with 5somes, of course, id rather play in a 4some. it is unfortunate though that there is a max 72 open for this tourney as this is the only USDGC qualifier in the area.

also, not everyone who wants to play in this tourney and others can commit this far in advance because of work, family, other obligations.

is the crosstown not a qualifier this year?

no

list of qualifying events (http://usdgc.com/files/2007qualify.pdf)

You're average tournament needs Adv and Int divisions for the growth of the sport and so the TD can break even. I think any A-tier with limited pro spots should drop Int or Am all together, to cater to pro's since it is an A-tier with more money and prestige. Pro players will travel from far away to play a good A-tier. This should be encouraged and be as easy as possible. Waiting lists when you have 80-90 am players kind of hurts this. Do Am a different day or at least do an Advanced-only am field. We want to grow the sport of course, but at the same time we want our bigger tournaments to have the biggest professional turn-out possible. NT's, A-tiers and so forth should be more "pro-catered" and lower tiers for everyone and for the sport in general. Just my thoughts.




...bingo

YES,They do! The most important reasons for splitting! Especially when the tournament is filling 4 to 5 months in advance. This is really detrimental to the competition and payout levels which is what an A- tier event should be about( as are playing in grougs of 5 with 90 players on the course at one time and taking a nap while you wait for 2 or 3 groups to tee on one hole). Great competition and big payouts are a great promoter of the sport.

I do not mind playing in a fivesome, it is 18 holes of fivesomes that sucks.

I do not mind playing in a fivesome, it is 18 holes of fivesomes that sucks.



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It's a tough situation.

It seems that if the field is 90, then people are upset that there are 18 5 somes on the course.

IF the field is less than and there is a wait list, then people are upset that there isn't 90 spots.

This is why we have TDs. They make decision. The decision of this TD was to only do 72 golfers. It was posted. People knew it would fill early. 72 people listened to the warning. end of discussion.

who are you to end the discussion? people are offering opinions that could affect the layout of this tournament next year and maybe other tournaments this year. everyone is aware of the predetermined layout for the VO '07 and no one is expecting that to change. i have no problem with you ending your part of the discussion.

nope... some discussion has been posted here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Raleigh%20Area%20Disc%20League&Number=639281&Searchpage=0&Main=625354&Search=true&#Post639281). preTTy much innova renegged on their promise to keep it a qualifier.

5 months is early to fill. TiZZle how can you say that people on the waitlist took to long? its just bad luck.....nobody knew exactly how fast it was going to fill up

If they had registered earlier, they wouldn't be on the waitlist! They took too long!

dude 5 months early is a shock don"t act like you knew

I had no doubt whatsoever that the VO'07 would fill up fast. I'm glad I registered on the day it opened. Saying that "You should've registered earlier" wouldn't have done anything else but sell it out a bit quicker, But _MTL_, I see what you're sayin'...you snooze, you loose

I'm all for 4 on a tee also, but I'm not liking the segregating Pros and AM's debate. Being an AM (at the moment), it leaves a bit of sour taste when tourneys bust a nut to cater to pro divisions only...leaving B and C tiers to everyone else...I'm not saying there arent some really awesome AM only events out there, but on the otherhand, saying just have the AM's on a different weekend almost makes me feel like its an afterthought. My 2 cents...

thanks will for that list..i didn't know they had the qualifier list up yet..i'm a little out of it..on a side note, glad to see that marshall street is a qualifier as it should be again.

I had no doubt whatsoever that the VO'07 would fill up fast. I'm glad I registered on the day it opened. Saying that "You should've registered earlier" wouldn't have done anything else but sell it out a bit quicker, But _MTL_, I see what you're sayin'...you snooze, you loose

I'm all for 4 on a tee also, but I'm not liking the segregating Pros and AM's debate. Being an AM (at the moment), it leaves a bit of sour taste when tourneys bust a nut to cater to pro divisions only...leaving B and C tiers to everyone else...I'm not saying there arent some really awesome AM only events out there, but on the otherhand, saying just have the AM's on a different weekend almost makes me feel like its an afterthought. My 2 cents...



hey shane, welcome to the odds btw.

i don't see how volunteer organizers committing to donate even more of their time to hold a separate event for amateurs constitutes an afterthought. if the ams were an afterthought there would be no separate am only event. seems to me that what may be an afterthought is the amount of time/work/$ put in by staff to run that separate am only event.

the future of the game is going to see more and more pro only/ am only events. hopefully with sufficient growth there will eventually be more open only events, masters only events, ladies only events, advanced only events, etc, etc.

and, oh yeah... you snooze, you lose!!

Preliminary Info:

This tournament was laid out as early as November on this discussion board, other boards, and via email.

This tournament was sanctioned by mid December.

Notice that the registration would start at the beginning of the year was given to the same outlets.

Follow-up notice was given on the unexpected rate at which the field was filling.

Personal attempts were made to spread the information.

The email list is substantial in size.


With that in mind here are some of my observations:

The propagation of this information at a personal level, club level, and course level did not reach as far as I expected. I expected that word of mouth would reach EVERYONE.

The effect of these efforts was positive in that we sold out an A-Tier event in Virginia in 25 Days (excluding the 4 AM spots that are left). Giving us lots of time to perfect the amenities.

The negative side is that there is a waiting list for pros that would effectively fill a 90 pro-spot event. I expect by mid February we will have the same size WL for the ams.

The changing of the field size seems to be a mixed bag. Most, it seems, like it at four-somes but didn't have a big problem with five-somes.

Everyone seems to agree that the future of big tournaments will be to separate the Pros from the Ams.

Change has both positive and negative effects, some we can anticipate some we can't. The best that we can hope for is that everyone respects that whatever changes are made are not meant to affect anyone negatively.

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All of the information on this discussion board as well as personal comments we've received has been very informative to both myself and The Grange. If you or someone you know did not get registered please encourage them to register online for the waiting list. If they have e-mail have them sign up for the email newsletter. All of this is being duly noted as we prepare for this year's event as well as future events.

In addition, we greatly appreciate the fact that we are a USDGC qualifier. We also regret that this had a negative effect on our friends in NorTTh Carolina. At the time I was informed of this I was told that we would be alternating yearly with NC for these spots. I hope that Virginia can produce as good a group to send to the USDGC as NorTTh Carolina.

Thanks, and keep up the discussion!

In addition, we greatly appreciate the fact that we are a USDGC qualifier. We also regret that this had a negative effect on our friends in NorTTh Carolina. At the time I was informed of this I was told that we would be alternating yearly with NC for these spots. I hope that Virginia can produce as good a group to send to the USDGC as NorTTh Carolina.

Thanks, and keep up the discussion!



Very classy statement Brian.

I don't think anyone down here is mad that you guys have a qualifier, we are just disapointed that we don't anymore.

Bryan, you don't have to defend yourself buddy. I also believe that you did the best you could to get the word out.

You are the man for putting this thing on. The biggest and best tournament in the history of VA and it consistently gets better every year.

On behalf of the entire discgolf community of western VA (98% of whom aren't on the net :D). THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

then people are upset that there are 18 5 somes on the course.



don't misread my post. I'm not upset. I have no problem with a fivesome or a tournament that has a field of 90 players. However back-ups and extended waiting time between holes is just not conducive for ME. It's tougher getting into "tourney mode" IMO.

Tee times would be the best scenario for me, but I appreciate a field of 72 with a purse of 90 players :D

I was fortunate enough to get into the VaOpen, and I am looking forward to playing. I see a lot of guys that are friends of mine that are on the waiting list, and of course I wish there was a way they could all play. Good luck to those boyz. You know who you are.

-dubbs

A seperate AM event an afterthought? Please. I'll use the Whorley method to list my feelings:

PROS and CONS of seperate AM / PRO Virginia Open events

PROS:
- bigger field size for everyone :)
- no need to worry about the pros who finished 20 minutes before you disturbing you while you are on the #10 sunnyside tee /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
- fresher smelling porta-johns (provided the AM event is held before the pro event) ;)
- easier work for TD's (although, their "price" for making things easier on them will be running 2 events) :confused:
- no futile feeling when you talk about aspects of your round over lunch with the pro's you usually camp with :cool:

CONS
- AMs will miss the dude on the accordian :mad:
- most likely, if the event is held earlier, it will be too cold for swimming :(

See, there is nothing to fear about the possible splitting of this fine tournament.

Hope I didn't come off too defensive, just giving out what information I have to help further the discussion.

I think the biggest thing to figure out for next time is how to get the word out better to the 98%

I was saying anyone in general was mad, just stating that the first thing a TD learns is no matter how great your tournament is, someone will be upset about something

no matter how great your tournament is, someone will be upset about something



<font color="purple">no matter how great your tournament is, someone will be upset about something </font>

<font color="green"> no matter how great your tournament is, someone will be upset about something </font>

<font color="red"> no matter how great your tournament is, someone will be upset about something </font>

repeat ad infinitum...

No matter how upset about something someone is, your tournament will be great.

hey shane, welcome to the odds btw.

Seems to me that what may be an afterthought is the amount of time/work/$ put in by staff to run that separate am only event.



thanks, john, we're glad to part of the ODDS series

Point well taken. I know what it takes to run a tourney, series, Ice Bowls...etc...I guess it doesn't really matter if it's the VO AM's 2008 and VO PRO 2008...or whatever. If you can fill the fields, why not? And it certainly seems that is whats starting to happen. I see that Newport News has split their Fall B Tier now as well. I suppose one of the downsides is I'll miss watching the Pro action on the following weekend, but I simply can't afford the return trip. I think basically what I meant was I just don't want to see my favorite event of the year become PRO only with nothing to offer the AM field. I see people post "just move up"...why? I'm competitive in MY division and don't see the need to move up. I don't want to be fodder just to play a tourney. At any rate, If next year has an AM weekend, I'll be there...or if things stay PRO / AM...I'll be there...Or better yet, maybe I'll actually figure out to throw plastic at metal and play it PRO...?...

I'm sure there'll be tons more debate about it...


fresher smelling porta-johns (provided the AM event is held before the pro event)



TRUE THAT! :p

Why can't your creek be more beautiful?
Why can't the community center have a big screen?
Also, a bathroom is nice at the CC, but how about a shower and a hot tub?
Why is HH so **** far away? Can't you move it?
Do I have to play with Schwebby every stinking time I'm on the lead card?
Why isn't there video of MTL getting cracked in the noggin?
Hawks are nice, but what about eagles and falcons?
Grass fairways are nice, but have you considered letting bartlett put proturf on them?
HH is nice but where's the video gameroom, swimming pool, tiki course, barn, clubhouse, and cooksey? Hmm?

Why isn't there video of MTL getting cracked in the noggin?




Hey that thing hurt!

Do I have to play with Schwebby every stinking time I'm on the lead card?


If you cant handle playing with TThe Pro then dont shoot so well.

fresher smelling porta-johns (provided the AM event is held before the pro event)



lmao :D

give me a shout if you want to carpool on saturday

Why can't your creek be more beautiful?
Why can't the community center have a big screen?
Also, a bathroom is nice at the CC, but how about a shower and a hot tub?
Why is HH so **** far away? Can't you move it?
Do I have to play with Schwebby every stinking time I'm on the lead card?
Why isn't there video of MTL getting cracked in the noggin?
Hawks are nice, but what about eagles and falcons?
Grass fairways are nice, but have you considered letting bartlett put proturf on them?
HH is nice but where's the video gameroom, swimming pool, tiki course, barn, clubhouse, and cooksey? Hmm?



hey- we've got a barn!!! (and cooksey for that matter)- plus i got them to put in lake anna less than a mile away. :p

I love it when you speak in the third person. Sign of a ttrue professional athelete.

BTW, you shot like crap or else you'd have lapped the field by 20 strokes.

Why is HH so **** far away? Can't you move it?




It's very close for me. I would guess maybe 2 miles :cool:

I don't think anyone has mentioned that while am events straight up exclude pros from playing, pro events do NOT exclude ams from playing. They simply exclude ams from playing in an am division. big deal. By splitting any tournament into pro and am events, you would be simply adding an event that pros can't play in, and providing an additional event for ams. I don't see how ams lose out on this deal, except that they may not be as competitive in the pro tourney.

I'm not sure if Schwebie's screenname is a jab at Steve Johnson or not, but if it is, he's jabbing at Delaware Steve Johnson. NC Steve Johnson is 11 on the waitlist.

2007 Virginia Open
Pro Waiting List as of 1:13PM Friday, January 26, 2007

Ogburn, Eddie #23102 is IN
Michael Sihler moved down to Advanced.

1 Yoo, Kirk 6161
2 Yahn, Jeff 20914
3 Mabry, Brent 12880
4 Strojny, Brian 18617
5 Schneider, Nick 26395
6 Johnson, Steve 14228
7 Pitts, Patrick 10409
8 Krahn, Nathan 29352
9 Buono, Matt 19987
10 Johnson, BS 21066
11 Bradway, John 10926
12 Wilson, Patrick 22035
13 Lee, Chris 14817
14 Jernigan, Justin 22284
15 DeMar, Sarah 25166
16 Grasse, Mike 17565
17 Lewis, Will 7674
18 Pelchat, Joe 26151

Movin up :D

Ogburn, Eddie #23102 is IN
Michael Sihler moved down to Advanced.



Holler!

The Am Field is now full!

Today (Saturday 27 Jan 2007) there will be new holes added and old holes disappearing on the Loriella Park course. Be sure to check out the map on the board by hole one. Here is the gist of the changes:

Old 4 & 5 combined to one hole. Old white tee pad for hole 4 is now the red tee pad. New white tee pad is throwing out of the woods from the corner of the woods.

After old 15 (now hole 14), head straight back past the long position for the basket to the new hole 15. (Short hole, doglegs to the left).

After finishing new hole 15, follow through the cleared area to the new 16. There is a piece of carpet for the white tee pad. (No separate red tee pad yet) New hole 16 parallels old 16 except the new hole is now in the woods.

Hole 17�s tee pad (white) is along the tree line and throws to old 16�s basket placement at the top of the hill (short position) or over the hill (long basket placement). Red tee pad is on the hillside.

Red tee pad for 18 has moved to the right of its old placement.

Great News!

The 2007 Virginia Open, originally slated for 72 AM and 72 PRO Spots has now expanded the field to include 90 Spots for each.

Therefore, the following 18 pro players from the waiting list have a spot reserved for them and can pay via the online registration page at http://www.grangediscgolf.com and select the DONATION PRO LEVEL option.

1 Yoo, Kirk 6161
2 Yahn, Jeff 20914
3 Mabry, Brent 12880
4 Strojny, Brian 18617
5 Schneider, Nick 26395
6 Johnson, Steve 14228
7 Pitts, Patrick 10409
8 Krahn, Nathan 29352
9 Buono, Matt 19987
10 Johnson, BS 21066
11 Bradway, John 10926
12 Wilson, Patrick 22035
13 Lee, Chris 14817
14 Jernigan, Justin 22284
15 DeMar, Sarah 25166
16 Grasse, Mike 17565
17 Lewis, Will 7674
18 Pelchat, Joe 26151

Pass the word to these folks if they do not browse this board. I will be emailing those that I have good email addresses later this afternoon.

The new PRO waiting list as of 12:01 PM January 28th is

1 Keirn, Jeff 15902
2 Madore, Justin 17035
3 Behrens, Dyln 17731
4 Rivers, Andrew 18901
5 Snapp, Ricky 25999


Let the renewed conversation begin...

Bryan

I know it was hard to stick to your guns, but I was SOOOO looking forwardto no fivesomes. :(

Great news...especially for all those people who might've gotten shut out this year...

Great News!

The 2007 Virginia Open, originally slated for 72 AM and 72 PRO Spots has now expanded the field to include 90 Spots for each.





bad news....now schweberger will change his name again :eek: :D

Great News!

The 2007 Virginia Open, originally slated for 72 AM and 72 PRO Spots has now expanded the field to include 90 Spots for each.





bad news....now schweberger will change his name again :eek: :D

Why is that Bad News?

I think Keith mighta thought that not 7th onda waitlist was in reference to the VO...not the Buckhorn Open. Why didn't you sign up for the VO?

i thought you might pick another one i had never heard of :D

Great News!...The 2007 Virginia Open, originally slated for 72 AM and 72 PRO Spots has now expanded the field to include 90 Spots for each.



You hearing this MODG??? Looks like we both got good news today, my buddy called me this morning with mine ;)

Ruffff!

Good news, fivesomes at the grange works fine, it's not like it is Paw Paw where fivesomes make the rounds just a tad long....

maybe it should have been just 90 pros and 72 ams, but that likely would have left the ams waiting a bit. i look forward to the pro and am weekends which likely must be coming. great job with the event planning in a tough situation, bryan!

Good news, fivesomes at the grange works fine, it's not like it is Paw Paw where fivesomes make the rounds just a tad long....



fivesomes suck everywhere... oops... i mean NO COMMENT! :mad:

agreed! i may be going to foursome limits at my events in the future. of course if you go pro day only you can get 144 pros and the grange!

Can we have a cut after the first day?

no...if you are gonna let the other 18 in who paid late..it isn't fair to the 72 that signed up on time to play less golf if they suuck! :eek:

besides with the dates changing to sat/sun it still leaves plenty of travel time for anyone to get home on the holiday, even lets people have more "grange time" :D
if they wish to

5-some = great in the sack, crappy on the course!

lets people have more "grange time" :D
if they wish to



So will sucking if there is a cut...just joking about the cut. Just trying to find a way to have a positive attitude since we will have 18 fivesomes each round...and no I am not used to it yet!

Foursomes with 2 or 3 ghost cards strategically placed in long transition sections. We do it at Renny, and it takes no longer to play with more groups because the backups happen in one section, but gaps happen in others. By adding a few groups, you really don't increase the amount of play time much, in fact, it may be substantially shorter than fivesomes.

definitely something to think about... hopefully it has changed back to 90 because it is the last combined PRO/AM VAO.

4 ghost holes in 4somes = 88 players. stick them after a par 4 or 5 hole.

ok, this is probably a crazy suggestion, since the big problem is really facilities for so many people, but...

3 days, 1 round per day, use tee times like at usdgc. :D

Thanks for changing. Check will be sent today or tommorow.
100 or 110?

ok, this is probably a crazy suggestion, since the big problem is really facilities for so many people, but...

3 days, 1 round per day, use tee times like at usdgc. :D



Have you been hanging out with Mike...he has been talking about that for years. I think the first tee time would begin after the last band from the night before quit playing

Thanks for changing. Check will be sent today or tommorow.
100 or 110?


flyer (http://www.grangediscgolf.com/images/2007VirginiaOpen.pdf), all the info you should need

greaTT minds think alike i guess.

you spell like you went to nc sttatte.

:eek:....you mean UNC

you spell like you went to nc sttatte.



TThat comment was way OB...

just for that------->

I gotta keep it clean and still gleam on this scene
or the mods take this jewel like bruno’s blackbean
with a pristine toungue and bright green lung
let me tell you the story of how the jug was sprung
straight over the heads of nine crazy motha's
starts and ends with TTrim, add in two foreign brothas
mix a liTTle fish with a big King Mullet
then a scoop o’ SkeeLoD, the secret bullet
and what you get outta that
is a team that’ll baTTle back
and never slack
when it comes to takin’ your jack
in the hills of Virginia straight down to the coast
I’ll pay my bills and spend your dollas on the next Disc Roast
not to brag or boast…but wait, we da champs
givin’ the fellas headaches and the ladies cramps
our camp is revamped with the skills from heaven
that blessed, can’t be stressed style takin’ shots of Evan
straight outta jug again in 2007…

W3rd.

4 ghost holes in 4somes = 88 players. stick them after a par 4 or 5 hole.



obviously you haven't been to the grange...there is barely A par 4 let alone a few of them...

biscoe's course could run ghost cards... but the grange...no chance, you might as well have a 8-12 some because after a few holes you would have that anyways :p

actually you run the ghost holes at tourney central. you have a groups starting on 1 and 10 and 2 groups behind them in limbo. after you finish 9 you get a break to "grange" for 30 minutes as the 2 groups ahead of you go.

ghost holes=silly. why expand to accomodate people who were too lame to register in the first place when given plenty of notice?... oops i mean NO COMMENT!

steve- you rap like a whitte boy from north carolina with WAY too much time on his hands. :p

The new PRO waiting list as of 12:01 PM January 30th is

1 Keirn, Jeff 15902
2 Madore, Justin 17035
3 Behrens, Dyln 17731
4 Rivers, Andrew 18901
5 Snapp, Ricky 25999
6 McRee, Brian 7883
7 Smith, Halton 24663

ghost holes=silly. why expand to accomodate people who were too lame to register in the first place when given plenty of notice?... oops i mean NO COMMENT!

:p



You sure are not talking alot. I would not say "plenty". It sold out in 3 weeks - 4 1/2 months before the tournament.

I smashed my throwing hand moving rip rap last weekend, so I have my 1/2 of our excuse for next weekend.

I smashed my throwing hand...


That must be going around /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I get the pins out and the cast off in nine days though.

I smashed my throwing hand...


That must be going around /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I get the pins out and the cast off in nine days though.



funny...that's the same day my boss gets his cast off and pins out.

bonday- my 1/2 of the excuse is i suck. (and your z puttr)

Watch out what you say when you're talking that smack
And reaching around your gutt to pat yourself on the back
It probably won't go like two thousand and six
When we reach in our bags and pull out a bigger disc
You'll be shaking on the tee when you're matched up with me
With no Schweb to hide behind, no Wegians, no Skee
And there on the milk jug will be something sweet
"Team Blue Ridge" engraved beside "Team Unit-Eat"

Now that's some lily-white rhymin'!

Good try though

The second line is hot...but it's the guTT...capitalize...like TTeam uniTTY will on your weaknesses.

Now that's some lily-white rhymin'!



Yeah, not "lily whiTTe"

I need a partner

are the VA doubles this year on monday?

I've heard both ways.....

Did you look for the info?

dont know where to look - perhaps you could use some of your wisdom to help me out.

i know there will be no sanctioned doubles, i don't know if there are doubles monday or not- bryan law is the man to ask. if there are doubles they will be contested at the grange. if there is nothing scheduled for monday at the grange i may be persuaded to have a one and done at hawk hollow.

That sounds like a great idea. I am sure enough golfers will arrive at the Grange on Friday to have a doubles round there on Friday in the afternoon (maybe even a combination of the more challenging holes of both dark and sunny side) and a round at Hawk Hollow on Monday AM. This will not only give everyone the option to spend Memorial with their family if they choose or play golf and still get home at a reasonable time.

a trip to spotslyvania that I dont play Hawk Hollow is almost a wasted trip!

I want a one and done!

Tentatively, Tommy Donelson has volunteered to run doubles on Friday. Leaving open the opportunity for players from NC and the Blue Ridge area (and all the rest) to re-visit Hawk Hollow on Monday and reminisce on how optimistic they were before they went to the VTI and ran into the Home team.

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Proud Supporter of the Home Team

Ran into who?????

I'll step in for Hysell & say, "Ran into WHOM?" :D

Chris is the spelling police. Ray , you can be the grammer police!

am i the only am cool enough to prereg for loriella? where's all the other adv masters from va already reg'd for the va open. let's have a warmup battle!

They have, and I believe deposited, my check. Is it my fault that those toothless 'necks can't fire up their computer more than monthly to update the list?

Chris is the spelling police. Ray , you can be the grammar police!



Hysell wasn't responding, so I thought I'd pick this one up.

Right, maybe Chris is in a spelling slump!

Right, maybe Chris is in a spelling slump!



well, since he didn't go to uva at least it isn't permanent.

can't wait to play pratt in the slush. :(

it's going to be a mess this weekend...actually i hope it is, because that means i probably had friday off..

teaching has its perks...

come on snow!

here's hoping you have a full work week ron. :p

How often are two players with the same name in competition with each other, with Bizarringly the same player rating as well. Maybe they should just skip and hold hands while the rest of us play for they have already beaten enough odds to get a Lotto payout... of some sort. Check out Steve Johnson...Who, Who!

My bet is that they tie for last cash.

no way, there maybe 2 steve johnsons... but there's only 1 LCJ

I'm still trying to figure out which one is the evil twin.

I don't know, if you check their stats, each is pretty good at getting last cash in their own right.

for a career, NC LCJ has 15 last cashes.

and like 2 or 3 of them are from ams denying - pretty funny.

hilarious

I need a partner for this weekend. interested pm me.

Where and when does the first round start for doubles in the AM? :confused:

Pratt. Players' meeting 9:45. Tee-off 10:00.

whats this weekend?????

super doubles pratt/loriella byop, flyer at spotsydiscgolf.com

ricky snapp needs a partner. (see above on the thread)

to anyone that played the superdoubles today at loriella...i lost my nice susi wooden mini....it has my pdga # on it (9030)...

if you have it or know someone who picked it up, let me know..thanks.

I'm tellin.... :o;) :p :D

I would like to tell Jeff and SDGC my hat is tipped to them on the changes to Loriella. Only 1 hole that needs work. I like a fairway on every hole. 15 is a good hold but a little poke-an-hope. I can see my scores soring in the future!

I would like to tell Jeff and SDGC my hat is tipped to them on the changes to Loriella. Only 1 hole that needs work. I like a fairway on every hole. 15 is a good hold but a little poke-an-hope. I can see my scores soring in the future!



it's a lot poke-and-hope right now. that will be rectified before the loriela challenge. man that layout is tough- i'm thinking par 65-66 with likely ssa around 60-61 (maybe higher)

I can't seem to find the post that mentioned what the changes were to Loriella...could someone please repost that or elaborate? Looking foward to kickin' off the season in Spotsy!

from what I remember:

holes 4-5 are now one hole, the old short tee on 4 is the long tee on the new 4 and the short tee on the new 4 is in the woods to the right of 4's old basket. hole 12 (old 13) has a basket in the woods, directly behind the old/short basket. old 16 is gone and there are 2 new holes in the woods to the right of 16's old fairway. new 17 uses16's old basket, the tees are on the other side of the tree line/cedars that seperate the soccer field from the course. hope that helps a little.

will is correct.

btw congrats to zilla and skinner on taking home the title at super doubles for the 5th consecutive year. also congrats to locals dave stowell and james eason on winning advanced.

...and thanks to all who came out as we raised approximately $400 and 100# of food for the fredericksburg food bank.

...and thanks to the open teams who sucked enough for team old and tired to ca$h.

I mailed my check today for the Loriella Am event, thanks for offering the trophy-only division. I'm guessing Friday glow at the grange will be on for 3/2???

...has agreed to take photos with the first ten fans who show up at Loriella and challenge him to a sidebet.

Yes, my fans can have their picture taken with me as we celebrate my victory while hawk sulks in the car thinking up excuses and dreading the long ride home.

That implies that you have fans. I meant my fans could pose with you.

of course, i meant to say "evil minions"

Hopefully one of the Belgian paparazzo on hand will be able to get a good image of the Dr. grimicing in defeat.

friday glow is always on at the grange.

Hopefully one of the Belgian paparazzo on hand will be able to get a good image of the Dr. grimicing in defeat.



Could anything top this classic from Loriella 2006?

http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/loriella305060006.jpg

my beating of hawk this year will top it. i'll have to get a picture of hawk crying to himself after the round.

Yes, the fig-newton sleeve is a classic.

I guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with letting in more players after the tournament was officially full. I'm sure that there were players that decided not to send in their entry fee after seeing 18 players on the waiting list.(including myself) Sorry, but I was looking forward to playing the VO as one of my few tournaments this year. Oh well. Congrats on filling up early, twice.

you're not the only one with a problem with it...

Concerning the BRAWL event this Saturday, I have the cost and initial tee time, but I need to know what time the afternoon round usually starts. I have a music performance up that way this Sat. and need to leave the park around 3PM or thereabouts.

Anybody know - Vince, are you out there?

When does the BRAWL series start?

it's unlikely it will be done by 3.

I was afraid of that. Looks like I'll play one round and spectate part of the second in addition to my $5 donation to the cause. I really just want to get my money's worth for all the aches and pains I suffered during course construction. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Chris, you can go to www.piedmontdgc.com (http://www.piedmontdgc.com) for all the info on the BRAWL series. It's almost over for this year...only 2 tourneys left.

I guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with letting in more players after the tournament was officially full. I'm sure that there were players that decided not to send in their entry fee after seeing 18 players on the waiting list.(including myself) Sorry, but I was looking forward to playing the VO as one of my few tournaments this year. Oh well. Congrats on filling up early, twice.




I'll give you my spot, we split the cash you win, I'll cover the entry fee.

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I guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with letting in more players after the tournament was officially full. I'm sure that there were players that decided not to send in their entry fee after seeing 18 players on the waiting list.(including myself) Sorry, but I was looking forward to playing the VO as one of my few tournaments this year. Oh well. Congrats on filling up early, twice.



I thought it would've been a nice gesture to those of us already signed up, to make the last 18 players pay an extra $50/entry or maybe have a silent auction for the last 18 spots. That'd fatten up the purse enough to help compensate the 5-some factor.

Usually isn't done before four. However, a major portion of the player's meeting will focus on the slow play phenemenon that has plagued a few BRAWLs this year.

Usually isn't done before four. However, a major portion of the player's meeting will focus on the slow play phenemenon that has plagued a few BRAWLs this year.



that's "phenomenon" for those who didn't attend c of c. ;)

We know how to spell victory.

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UNC Basketball results 1998-99 season:
Sat 12/05/98 College of Charleston 66, UNC 64

We know how to spell victory.



UniTTy

Every once in a while you make me laugh bush mcnasty

Sat 12/05/98 College of Charleston 66, UNC 64



That wasn't nearly as sweet as beating the crap out of the twerps in the '97 NCAAs by nine points before losing to eventual champion Arizona in a 4 point thriller. The campus went absolutely nuts after that MD game. What a great memory.

Speaking of the twerps... UVA beat them at their house (again) the other night for a regular season sweep. They dominated MD down low--which is insane since UVA starts big men that couldn't even walk on at any other ACC school. 7 ACC wins in a row, the most since Sampson. Playing defense and rebounding is a beautiful thing. The best two guards in the league doesn't hurt. Somebody pinch me. Pete Gillen almost made me forget how much I love college hoops.

BTW, Hoos at the top of the ACC standings? (no spell check needed)

i don't know that they "dominated" md down low, but we had no answer for those guards. plus still no reliable shooter from the key for the flex offense since dixon and drew nicolas. gary better get on the frickin recruiting trail.
on the other hand we look to have 2 budding guards and some worthy inside guys if we can get them going.

Hey John, I think EVERYone knows how you feel about the whole situation, ALREADY!! ****, Take a breath and a break from the whining. Jeez. :D

It's amazing how quick one learns to hate Maryland after moving to Cville :eek:

Coming down to the wire for the final spot in the skins game! Can't wait to see everyone at The Nut tomorrow.

jesse

You don't get out much do you ? :D

Nope, I work for the athletic department! They pretty much keep me chained to the desk and the athletic fields.

Jesse

hey Hysell, do you know what happened to the Richmond Disc Golf website? Is there another address for it now or did someone else just take over iamwhois? What's up? Any idea? :confused:

I haven't been there in a long time and checked it yesterday. It's like all Richmond golf, very little interest in organization.

Anybody know what's up with the nova disc golf site (dgcnv.org)?

Anybody know when it will come back or if it even is?

thanks.

word is we have to talk with revo dave and hes being hard to get ahold of right now. hes authorized i believe to get the site back on its feet. maybe now we can change our club name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris,
I bet things are going to be tough now that you are a full time single dad

Ron-

The domain name for the site (dgcnv.org) has expired. Bill Potts and I originally registered this name about seven years ago with Network Solutions and since then, I have changed emails and phsyical address at least three times.

As a result, I never received notification of the domain's imminent expiration until it actually expired. With all the reolcations, I no longer have the information to log in to the Network Solutions site and make the renewal.

I have begun the process of updating my login information by filling out and faxing back their requested forms. I haven't received confirmation of the update as of yet, nor am I hovering over the fax machine anticipating its return.

The club originally purchased this domain and I have hosted the site for its entire existence. It might be the perfect time for someone else within the club to take on this responsibility and there are three ways to acheive this:

1. Somebody buys the dgcnv.org domain once it officially expires through Network Solutions. Move the files from the current site (someone within the club has access to this information) and redirect the domain to a new host.

2. Somebody buys a new domain and moves the files to a new host.

3. Scrap all the current content, come up with a new site and structure and move it to a new host.

I will continue to pursue the renewal of dgcnv.org when it is convenient for me to do so until I hear that someone else is stepping up and resolving the problem.

Thanks,

-Dave

Brian - found a disc of yours at Pratt Park (hole 1 I think). If you are going to be up this way for the Loriella Challenge I can give it to the TD (Bob Cannon) to give it to you or if you think you want/need it before then let me know and we can figure something else out.

thanks for the update man...hoping that it comes back (or some form of it) soon.....

see some of you nova folks at the vti tryouts this saturday at hawk hollow...yeah!

we should annex you guys and bring up va-discgolf.com. i might be able to get our host to set you up. can you guys afford throwing him a little dough to get it going? let me know and i'll get you in touch. we are really happy with our setup.

No not another hymen bored!

mu ha ha ha ha :cool:

can registered ams who have not cashed, but are above 955 play advanced in the vti????? i remember playing jeb bryant in the am 1 slot last year and he was 970 i think. same rules as last year??????

don't quote me, but I believe that is the case.
I think RADL is making Larry Leonard play AM2 this year.

biscoe??? something that makes sense???

Yes you can Melt. One of our ams is 970 rated. and has not cashed yet.

excellent

Who are you talking about? Strokes? I told you he could play weeks ago on the dgcnv site!

Yes you can Melt. One of our ams is 970 rated. and has not cashed yet.



970 rated AM??? You guys are just full of competitive spirit :(

Now you are #$*&$! about this.
Last year it was AGE, now rating. What will you guys cry about next?

The first year there was some slight disagreement also.

As long as the rules are clearly stated, then I'm not going to #$*&amp;$!. I shouldn't have bitched about y'all last year probably.

I'm not #$*&amp;$! about it... as long as they are still ams and have never accepted cash at a PDGA. If you're gonna have two am slots, that's the only fair way to do it. Plus I think ratings are a big pile of manure and innacurate anyway and causes problems.

I'm also glad that he's moving toward masters being strictly age based next year. Birthdays are much more accurate that player ratings.

BTW, Craig, Team Blue Ridge will be bringing the best Ams for the fourth consecutive year.

As long as the rules are clearly stated



<font color="red"> eXactly. WE didn't make the rules. </font>




I'm also glad that he's moving toward masters being strictly age based next year.




<font color="red"> I agree. </font>

i'd have to disagree vince about rating not being accurate. are they perfect? no.
are they pretty darn close? i think so, at least most of the time. when i look back at events, the guys who are rated over 1000 beat me by almost exactly 10 strokes per round. if you look it is uncanny how close to a stroke per 10 points it is, with the variance being acocunted for in the ssa.
i'm sure they could be done better, but in terms of relative prowess, they are pretty spot on.

Yes you can Melt. One of our ams is 970 rated. and has not cashed yet.



970 rated AM??? You guys are just full of competitive spirit :(

are you serious? do you not ReaLize that having 1000+ masters is exactly the same thing as having a 970 rated am? its an AM division. the rules state that if the competitor is an AM (no ca$h accepted) then rating does not matter. if they have accepted ca$h then they have to have a rating below 955. same as the masters. if the competitor is 40+ then rating does not matter. if the competitor is not old, then rating must be below 975. what is so complicated?

hopefully you were joking

biscoe??? something that makes sense???



if you have an am card you can play am regardless of rating UNLESS you are a former CASHING pro who has reclassified. i believe this is as simple as i can make it.

do you not ReaLize that having 1000+ masters is exactly the same thing as having a 970 rated am?

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not so sure about that one homie. its PRO masters. 1000+ is a good pro rating. A 1000+ master player is a pro who's over 40 and has a 1000+ rating.

and 970 is a good am rating... how many pro masters are rated over 1000, and how many ams are rated over 970?

it really doesnt matter, my point is made and its ReaL

I just wanna play. I can't wait to throw in feilds w/ poop inbetween me and the basket.

WHat will become of TTEAM UNITTY next year??

I can think of a lot of things worse than a 970 rated am.

The first thing that comes to my mind is me. I've played 3 rounds since November. I plan on showing up and playing Loriella without any practice. I also plan on finishing last place but still having fun.

Hello Virginians, Me and fellow Michigander DSPROnothin will most likely be coming down for the Lorriela Challenge, but we are looking for some information about the tourney. First off, what Layouts will the pros be playing as well as am1�s? Also, what important/interesting/tantalizing/ or just straight up crucial info we should know about the tourney and the course? We will be coming down on Wednesday night the 28th, so we will be playing on Thursday and Friday. We will most likely be playing Lorriela on Thursday so it would be nice to play with a local who knows the course well, and then on Friday is there going to be doubles or anything going on at the Grange or Hawk Hollow? Is there going to be glow dubs at the Grange?

Thanks in advance for any useful information.

Yes, are there doubles somewhere on Thursday or Friday?