I have to ask, what did you think of paw paw? The courses, the area, the people?



I talked about my experience with Paw Paw on the Courses thread under the Private Courses topic. But I will expand on your other questions.

The people are great, but I really have yet to meet disc golfers (enmass) that are not great.

The area? Very remote, I thought my lil' hybrid was going to die going up and down that mountain. :(

Overall, I liked the designed intent of both of the Paw Paw courses, there is the possibility and potential to create really great disc golf out there. However... I will not be back unless there is some chainsaw TLC taken to about 6-8 holes out of the 36.

Personally, those few holes are what I would not consider disc golf holes. I could go into depth with what I have learned about course design by some of the top guys in the biz, but this is not the place for it.

BUT!

There are a few holes that I thought were absolutely great. #13 on the Woodshed (I believe that is the number.) It is the 556ft hole shooting down and up a slight valley with a line of trees blocking the remaining 100ft of the hole.

And the holes which I could not stand, imo if a fairway was carved through the trees they could be some of the best wooded holes I have ever played.

I think it is a great thing that Spencer has done with his land, if only more people would do that too.

The author of these statements would like to state that these comments are not directed as an insult to any party envolved with the Paw Paw tournament, course design, or course installation and maintenance.

However... I will not be back unless there is some chainsaw TLC taken to about 6-8 holes out of the 36.





Thanks for the review and BTW we won't hold you to the above statement. :cool:

Hey Biscoe, go buy some music from the band Trivium, you'll love it! Ignore the fact I brought you Iced Earth...but really, get Trivium.

Mr TwoPutt thanks for the review...we at the Woodshed had to make up our own rules for course design in 1993 and 1994 as we were poised to change the way DG courses were built.

all that existed were little pitch a putt courses.

A few of our design philosophies are as follows:

1. Far as you can throw, twice, plus twenty feet...for length

2. You can cut a tree down...you can't put one back.

there are many other rules we went by, but these will let you know why things are the way they are.

There was no design rules in 1994...and Chuck Kennedy may have still been an AM? Think back...we were using the new plastic for distacne called a "whippit".

WE Changed the way DG courses were viewed and designed.

There were no design rules in 1994...and Chuck Kennedy may have still been an AM?



There were the Steady Ed design rules which of course were mostly along the pitch and putt lines. Those rules did include removing sufficient trees for "fairways." Ed helped me with my first design at North Valley in 1989 which daringly had several par 4s for its time. I had already been in a few Worlds as a Master Pro by 1994 and late that year, the Disc Golf Course Designers group was formed.

While there may not have been an organized set of contemporary design guidelines in 1994, they've now been there for quite a while. What's the excuse today? The problem isn't adding trees which takes time (although several holes could actually use a few), but taking a few out. I asked a local Paw Paw player in my group what Spencer's specific reason was for the pattern of trees that were cut and were not cut on Whippin' Post #4 which was very new at the time. He paraphrased the design philosophy as: "Spencer first looks over the pattern of trees and determines which ones will mess (actually used another word) with the players the most. Then, he cuts down the other ones." :) Of course, that's a design philosophy, and it's consistently applied in several places, and it's his property. I fully defend an owner's property rights to design how they please.

all that existed were little pitch a putt courses.
Mark, Seneca was in the ground at that time. ;)

Who makes whippits? Innova makes whippets.

Think back...we were using the new plastic for distacne called a "whippit".



And according to Mark you can throw them a long distacne .

Chris, surprised you missed that one. You really are retired. :D

I didn't miss it. I let it slide. It was obviously wrong. I figured it was some bad memory of Mark's teenage acne.

Mark, Seneca was in the ground at that time



Like I said...all there were, were pitch and putt courses.

And the rest of you all I have to say is... "My english teacher stayed me back".
:confused:

Golden Horseshoe Open Hawk Hollow 7/15 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

Spotsy Summer Open Loriella 7/16 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

The combination of these 2 events will qualify the VA rep to the USDGC. Players wishing to qualify pay $10 extra which goes towards the qualifying player's entry to usdgc. Qualifying open to VA residents only.

There will also be texas hold 'em at my place the evening of the GHO.

email jbiscoe2@earthlink.net for more info.

does the winner of the poker tournament get a usdgc spot also?

no, that would be the wsop spot.

Folks, I know this is going to sound strange coming from the course designer/builder, but....

I am asking all golfers to boycottt New Quarter Park Disc Golf Course.

The County has succumbed to pressure from a nature preservation group to stop mowing the grass at the park, including the disc golf course. I have explained to them that people are not going to pay $25 per year, much less $3 per round to play a course that has calf-high grass (in some places it's waist high), I have made several requests to have the grass mowed, all of which have fallen on deaf ears.

So I'm asking everyone, especially those of us in Hampton Roads, to refrain from playing at New Quarter until you hear from me that the matter has been resolved.

If no one plays the course, they will hopefully get the message.

my .02( not that you asked) is that they won't notice or care. better to have disc golfers stop by, call, or write and ask when the grass will be cut and express their worries about getting lyme disease. maybe the worries of getting a possibly fatal disease from a county park would help. make sure to try not to be mean or demanding about it, rather express concern and maybe express how much you do like the course when it is mowed.

Of course, that's a design philosophy, and it's consistently applied in several places, and it's his property. I fully defend an owner's property rights to design how they please.



Fully agreed, I only wish I had the land and the resources to build my own disc golf course(s). Heck, if I had a championship course or two in my back yard, I probably would never leave, and then never give a flying flip what other people think about it.

Like I said, my statements were only my personal opinions. I was never trying to offend anyone or make Spencer redesign his courses, they are of course his courses.

And the comment about Seneca being pitch and putt? Maybe from the short pads, but from the pro pads, even with many of the holes being "reachable" by pros, does not make them pitch and putt. If that was the case, any hole less than 500ft would be considered pitch and putt.

was thinking of maybe stopping buy to play on Monday. I guess that will not happen now. It took several calls and e-mails to get Gellies grass cut. It must have worked it is being cut on a regular basies now.


Evil
I like the tick thing!!!!!

An e-mail addy would be helpful.

Seneca Creek State Park in MD allowed volunteers(discers) to go through a litte training on their mowers, thus allowing them to cut the course.These days the rangers are involved and open with us,but having a club helps!

by, Gillies, basis

Perhaps they won't notice. But since I also work for this County (in another department), they are a bit more aware than the average local government.

The requests to cut the grass have not worked. Initial traffic at the course was high. Since you have to sign in to play (eventually it will cost you), they should notice the reduction in traffic.

I'll try the lyme disease angle.

Well, the lyme disease angle worked (thank you Dr. Evil).

Parks and Rec called. The course is closed until after July 4 at least. One can imagine that York County, VA, where Cornwallis surrendered British forces to the Americans, is a busy place on July 4. All grass cutting has been focused on the historic battlefields.

Sometime after July 4, the grass at New Quarter will be cut every other Thursday or Friday.

sweet, good work mike and evil.

Golden Horseshoe Open Hawk Hollow 7/15 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

Spotsy Summer Open Loriella 7/16 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

The combination of these 2 events will qualify the VA rep to the USDGC. Players wishing to qualify pay $10 extra which goes towards the qualifying player's entry to usdgc. Qualifying open to VA residents only.

There will also be texas hold 'em at my place the evening of the GHO.

email jbiscoe2@earthlink.net for more info

Well this sounds like i might just have to try and qualify for this .Will Hurley be there? :D
I will do my best to make it there and try Duck Golf this weekend.
Poker 2 it will all have 2 wait till further in the week to decide

I'm thinking about coming up for Hawk Hollow and Loriella - I've only been to Loriella twice and I really liked and Hawk Hollow needs no explination

Had a chance yesterday to head up to Danville to play a round up there.

The 9-hole course is a little warmup for the new course that was recently installed on the other side of the park.

If you haven't been to see the new course yet, I suggest going down there, but don't go alone. Several of the holes needs some traffic to knock down weeds so if you don't see where your disc lands(several blind holes) then you will be looking for a while.

It is a mixture of open and wooded shots. There are a lot of birdiable holes, but there are also holes that you can easily get a 4 or 5 if you get off of the fairway.

My favorite holes on the course are holes 3, 5, and 18.

Things that will be improved soon(I hope)
<ul type="square"> Tee Signs - Visible Metal poles mark the current location of the tess signs are going to be installed soon. Tees - A few tees need to leveled off. Most of them are ok, but there are a few that have a sharp incline or decline . Weeds and Foliage - Grass and weeds need to be cut or "Rounded-Up" [/list]

Other than that, it is a great course IMHO. If you go there, the first tee is located near shelter area 7 across from the baseball field. Then the tees after that are normally visible. If it isn't visible from the basket, look for a path or orange arrows painted on the ground. There is a lot of eleveation change on several of the holes so going early in the morning would be the best option until the fall.

Updated Link :
http://www.dgcnv.org/events/06duckflyer.pdf

DGCNV Presents
Duck Golf XXIV

July 8th & 9th
Burke Lake Park
Fairfax, VA

PDGA C-Tier & ODDS Series Event

New Layout for Field holes
New Disc Catcher Baskets
3 rounds of 27 holes
Final 18 for top 4 Open Players
DGCNV CTP Contest
Campground located at the park.

Entry Fees
$55 -- Open Pro
$45 -- Woman Pro & All other Pro Divisions
$35 -- Men's Advanced Amateur
$25 -- Men's Intermediate Amateur
$25 -- All Woman's Amateur Divisions
$15 -- Junior's Division (15 & under)
**** Non PDGA members must add $5.

Check in by 8:30am Saturday
Players meeting @ 9am
Tee off @ 9:30am.

FIELD LIMITED to 90 PLAYER
Burke Lake charges an entrance fee, please plan accordingly.

Contact Dave Steger (703) 878 6870 or Tommy Donelson (703) 801 2428 for more information or to be a sponsor (personal or corporate)

Send an email to Tommy at nvdiscgolfer@yahoo.com for preregistration.


See : http://dgcnv.manaze.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=350
For a variety of links, directions, & info about Burke Lake Park.

QUACK QUACK QUACK

John,
Can you tell me if there are any mini tournaments going on during the week in and around Sterling or Centerville?

there are doubles tuesday, wednesday and thursday at various courses, link below.

nova leagues (http://www.dgcnv.org/06League/06League.html)

Any news on Spencer?

by craiger on the MD board:

As many of you know, I have been helping Spence and Gabi build their house in Paw Paw. So far it has been a lot of fun, helping them bring the house of their dreams into reality. Like so many things in life - certain things are beyond our control - such was the case yesterday. Five of us were lifting a beam into place for the great room roof, when something went wrong, and the beam got away from us. Spence got hit in the head, and was flown away via helicopter to western MD(*(& Memorial). I spoke with Gabi last night, and he is in good spirits, but he's fractured a vertebrae and is going to be out of commission for a while. He was shipped to Shock Trauma in Baltimore last night, where he will find out was his treatment options are. He had not lost any feeling in his extremities, and he could move everything when tested by the EMT - so all indications are that he is going to be ok. I'm not sure of anything really - how long he will be in Baltimore - or exactly how severe his injury is. I wanted to let you (his frisbee family) know what happened, and ask that you take a little time and keep Spence and Gabi in your thoughts and prayers. They have both given us all so much.

Craig and Beth were going to see him at 2:00PM today.

Virginia Commonwealth Games Disc Golf
Saturday, July 15, 2006
Golden Hills Disc Golf Course, Blacksburg VA
Two rounds, 18 holes each
Virginia Resident Ams Only
Entry Fee - $26.00
Registration Opens: 8:30 AM
Players Meeting: 9:45 AM
First Round Tee: 10:00 AM
Second Round after lunch break
Contact: Greg Clemons at 540-493-2273
E-Mail: DISCLEMONS@MSN.COM

Directions:
From Interstate 81: I-81 exit 118B (11/460). Follow 11/460 toward Blacksburg/Virginia Tech. After about 4 miles, you will come to the Peppers Ferry exit. Turn left at the end of the exit. At the end of Peppers Ferry turn left on Cinnabar. Take the first right (just before the walking bridge) on Authority Drive. Take first left into the pavilion parking area. The first tee is up to the right.

BLUE RIDGE OPEN DISC GOLF TOURNAMENT
PRESENTED BY
THE ROANOKE ADVENTURE TEAM
SUNDAY, AUGUST 6, 2006

The Roanoke Adventure Team will hold its ninth PDGA sanctioned event on
Sunday, August 6 at the Montgomery County Disc Golf Course. This event will be
a "C" tier event and is part of the Old Dominion Disc Series (ODDS). The
course has 18 Innova Discatcher baskets with inner chains and three sets of
tees. The course is tight and wooded with challenging elevation changes. The
tees are natural so bring appropriate footwear.

INNOVA DISCATCHER WILL BE GIVEN AWAY
Everyone (Pro and Am) will have a chance to win at no additional cost

Registration opens at 9:00 AM
Players are required to sign in before the players meeting
Players Meeting 10:00
First Round Tee 10:30
Second Round Tee After Lunch Break

WHERE
Montgomery County Park, Christiansburg VA. (24073)

From Interstate 81: I-81 exit 118B (11/460). Follow 11/460 toward
Blacksburg/Virginia Tech. After about 4 miles, you will come to the Peppers
Ferry exit. Turn left at the end of the exit. At the end of Peppers Ferry turn
left on Cinnabar. Take the first right (just before the walking bridge) on
Authority Drive. Take first left into the pavilion parking area. The first tee
is up to the right.

HOW MUCH
Pro Divisions (Open/Master) - $30.00
Advanced Division - $20.00
Intermediate Division - $10.00

Players (except juniors) who are not current PDGA members must pay a $5.00
PDGA non-member fee.

PAYOUT
Top third of each PRO division, top 40% of each ADVANCED division, and top 50%
of each INTERMEDIATE division. Cash for Pro divisions, disc merchandise for
Advanced and Intermediate divisions.

QUESTIONS
Contact Don Wetzel (540-989-7910 or DLWETZEL1@COX.NET) if you have questions.

REGISTRATION
Send name, entry fee, PDGA number, desired division, address, and phone number
to:
Don Wetzel, 4572 Cresthill Drive SW, Roanoke VA, 24018

Gold Tee Singles Challenge Sat Aug 5. Registration 11:30, Tee 12:00
Random Draw Doubles Sat Aug 5. Registration 3:30, Tee 4:00. $5.00 per player.

This place is Hysell's house, the locals just look after the place the 363 days out of the year he isn't there.
:D;) :cool:

Duck Golf:

open:
Moser, 1st
Skinner, 2nd
Turner, 3rd
Naved, 4th
Tony Ellis/Ricky Snapp tied 5th

Masters:
Bonday, 1st
Lewis G, 2nd

Advanced:
Bailey, 1st

that's about all i can remember..after 99 holes, i'm tired..time for beer and sleep and beer.

come on Ron, you can't remember the ladies??

didn't leave them out on purpose...

but i believe there was only 1 woman in the entire tournament...

i think intermediate...sheila maybe...not sure.

Had a blast at my first duck golf ever. I enjoyed playing with bob (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/duckgolf240073.JPG) and buddy and I can tell you they are two tough hombres (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/duckgolf240086-1.JPG) .

The final nine (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/duckgolf240012.JPG) began. :D
Anyway, I could go on linking but suffice to say thank you for a perfect tournament with a tremendous layout.

Slide Show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=51&amp;pid=3175&amp;slideshow=5000)

Unofficial Duck Golf XXIV Results Available Now
Follow Me (http://www.dgcnv.org/Events/Duck06Results.htm)

for the spotsy summer open we will play 2 rarely used setups- i like to call it jekyll and hyde (or more appropriately hyde and jekyll)- as long as it gets for the first round and as short as it gets the second.

its official - coming up this weekend for both days and really looking forward to it! A chance to play 2 of my favorite courses in one weekend - wohoo!

tommy,

switch me and naved and it will be more accurate. i got 3rd and shot the 53 in the finals..naved got 4th and shot the 57 in the finals.

specifics....specifics

Well, the lyme disease angle worked (thank you Dr. Evil).

Parks and Rec called. The course is closed until after July 4 at least. One can imagine that York County, VA, where Cornwallis surrendered British forces to the Americans, is a busy place on July 4. All grass cutting has been focused on the historic battlefields.

Sometime after July 4, the grass at New Quarter will be cut every other Thursday or Friday.



Grass has still not been cut. People are complaining to me about it, even though I don't operate mowers for the County.

If the tall grass bothers you, please, please, please complain at the park office building. All I did was build it. I'm not responsible for the maintenance.

If someone runs into Naved, please have him contact me.

The Bayville Disc Golf Club
would love to courdually invite all of yall to attend our tourney
in August.
Last year we sold out pre reg is strongly reccomended
This year we decided to do our tourney a little different we will be having a 1 day am event and a 2 day pro event.I know that we will probubly lose some am players because it will be a 1 day event,but we trying to create a huge gallery for the pro feild the following day.This is something new,but were are going to give it a try.One day all you ams (with the exception of B.B)(just kiddn) will move to pro status and wouldnt you want a gallery to watch you play in a huge tourney.I think it will bring excitement,or it might make a few of us a little nervous having people watching us play.
We cant please everyone because someone will find something negative to say about what they didnt like ,or what you should have done.
To all the people who will not come because it is a 1 day tourney ,oh well sorry its nothing personal.If you like you could play in the pro feild and play 2 days,or you can support disc golf and come and be part of the gallery.

Besides the Bayville Disc Golf Club are leaders not followers

For info on our tourney please go to the following
Bayvillediscgolf.com

here's just a suggestion big fella.

if you have ams sat only and pros saturday and sunday, where do you think the majority of the ams will be sunday? i would bet they will be at tyhe beach or on the way home!

now if you have ams play 2 rounds sat and one sunday and the pros play a second round on sunday, i would be willing to bet most players will stay and watch, especially if they have to wait to get paid out! plus am payouts can be figured while the pros play the 4th round.

just a suggestion...

They will be at two different courses. Rob, pay out the ams on Saturday but have some raffles to give them a reason to show up on Sunday.

Yes we will be playn 2 courses.What I think we might do is pay the ams on Sunday(just kiddn)
We will pay out on Saturday
Chris that is a good idea
Everything will be worked out
This is a trial basis again we want to do something different if we get a third of the feild to stick around I think it would be worth it.
Listen we have some great players coming(Chris I spelled it right)and I dont think that alot of the ams get to see geat players play it would be the perfect oppertunity to see some great golf.
Here is a list of a few good players to attend
Moser
Swebby
Skinny Highest recordedrating at a torney EVER
Yours truely although Im not that good
Justin Jernighan Am world Champ
M.Hoffman
Yeti
Mrs.Reading World Champ
Hysell
Henry
just to name a couple
So I say to you ams be apart of history and support these pro players by watching and cheering them on.See you at the course

yeah, my suggestion doesn't work as well for 2 different courses. would work great at pawpaw or the grange though!

yes those would be great places.Sorry buddy like I said were not going to be able to please everyone althugh we will try.Great idea though

Ladies and Gents-
I'm proud to introduce the newest Open Division Player from the News. This guy has been traveling to local and state events, NT to "C" tiers , monthlies, weeklies, and alot of casual rounds. He has represented his family, friends, his club, and the state of Virginia by winning several major events, most recently the RADL Dogwood Crosstown Classic. We in Newport News are very proud to have him. Congratulations Ricky Snapp, PDGA # 25999 on your 5th Place finish at Duck Golf. Way to go Rick!
We have nearly doubled our Pro Divison at the News. Who's next to step up?

yall doubled your open division it went from 1 to 2.
you know Im just playn around I love all yall at N.N
Yes way to go snapppppp hot shootn the second round 17 under Ssssssmokn
Congrats......way to move up....

congrats Ricky!


Looking forward to the bash - mailing my check tomorrow!

It will be good to have you glad to see your not hangn up your discs and retiring like hysell

saturday is going to be HOT- bring plenty of water.

hopefully my bridges won't have to be rebuilt before them (but they probably will looking at the weather)

saturday is going to be HOT- bring plenty of water.

hopefully my bridges won't have to be rebuilt before them (but they probably will looking at the weather)



if you guys get some rain or whatever, please let us know on here. I would like to bring some back up discs and not go through another great wasp hunt :D

if you guys get some rain or whatever, please let us know on here. I would like to bring some back up discs and not go through another great wasp hunt :D



bring 'em

It's going to be too hot to video tape or caddy. I'm so glad they just released a new XBox 360 title. Now i have something to do this weekend.

BLUE RIDGE OPEN DISC GOLF TOURNAMENT
PRESENTED BY
THE ROANOKE ADVENTURE TEAM
SUNDAY, AUGUST 6, 2006

The Roanoke Adventure Team will hold its ninth PDGA sanctioned event on Sunday, August 6 at the Montgomery County Disc Golf Course. This event will be a "C" tier event and is part of the Old Dominion Disc Series (ODDS). The course has 18 Innova Discatcher baskets with inner chains and three sets of tees. The course is tight and wooded with challenging elevation changes. The tees are natural so bring appropriate footwear.

INNOVA DISCATCHER WILL BE GIVEN AWAY
Everyone (Pro and Am) will have a chance to win at no additional cost

Registration opens at 9:00 AM
Players are required to sign in before the players meeting
Players Meeting 10:00
First Round Tee 10:30
Second Round Tee After Lunch Break

WHERE
Montgomery County Park, Christiansburg VA. (24073)

From Interstate 81: I-81 exit 118B (11/460). Follow 11/460 toward Blacksburg/Virginia Tech. After about 4 miles, you will come to the Peppers Ferry exit. Turn left at the end of the exit. At the end of Peppers Ferry turn left on Cinnabar. Take the first right (just before the walking bridge) on Authority Drive. Take first left into the pavilion parking area. The first tee
is up to the right.

HOW MUCH
Pro Divisions (Open/Master) - $30.00
Advanced Division - $20.00
Intermediate Division - $10.00

Players (except juniors) who are not current PDGA members must pay a $5.00 PDGA non-member fee.

PAYOUT
Top third of each PRO division, top 40% of each ADVANCED division, and top 50% of each INTERMEDIATE division. Cash for Pro divisions, disc merchandise for Advanced and Intermediate divisions.

QUESTIONS
Contact Don Wetzel (540-989-7910 or DLWETZEL1@COX.NET) if you have questions.

REGISTRATION
Send name, entry fee, PDGA number, desired division, address, and phone number
to:

Don Wetzel, 4572 Cresthill Drive SW, Roanoke VA, 24018

Gold Tee Singles Challenge Sat Aug 5. Registration 11:30, Tee 12:00
Random Draw Doubles Sat Aug 5. Registration 3:30, Tee 4:00. $5.00 per player.

Don't forget that everyone in the field has a shot at a new basket.

Also, for you out-of-towners looking for a place to stay, there is one of these (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=560367&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) within walking distance via the foot/bicycle bridge that crosses US 460.

Reading the recent article dealing with honor in Disc Golf World finally spurred me to share a story from the VA Open:

In the last round, with only 3 holes to go in the tightly contested Advanced Division, Ricky Snapp called together the members of his fivesome and said something along the lines of, "Hey guys, I was replaying the last few holes in my head, and on hole 1 (two holes prior), I think I got a 5 instead of a 4." We went through his throws, and sure enough, we agreed that he was correct and his score was changed accordingly.

If he hadn't said anything, no one would have known. I asked him what made him mention anything to the group, to which he responded, "It didn't matter if anyone else knew. If that incorrect score was turned in and I knew it, I would have to live with that. Winning a few discs isn't as important as playing the game how it should be played." (Or something to that effect)

Hats off to ya, bud. Congrats on moving up to Pro.

Oh yes the Microtel. I've stayed there so often that they automatically give me a discount. I'll be there for the BRO both Sat & Sun nights in their suite. I'll have the XBox 360 and my LCD tv set up. Stop by and we'll go get some sushi next door.

that is some mediocre sushi.

uni in virginia....Mmmm...

good fun today at Hawk Hollow

Just to let everyone know, I did infact end up passing out. Luckily Logan and Steve got me into Steve's truck and got some cool air on me.

I feel much much better and got dinner down with no problem. Thanks for all that helped me out today.

What was up, too hot for ya Tizzle...you ain't even a yankee! Glad to read your well.

I did infact end up passing out.




I had a similar heat incident today, the first time in all of my 33 years I think that the heat has ever caused me sickness.

I was a little overboard on my H2O intake today while out at the Commonwealth Games event in Christiansburg. I carried about 48oz of mostly water and some gatorade both rounds, and drank nearly all of it. It was a very humid, overcast morning, and I was sweating it out mostly. It was VERY stuffy in the bottoms of those steep valleys out there. Then, in the afternoon, the sun came out so it was the ole heat/humidity double-whammy. Very argeous day of golf to say the least. Long story shotened, I ended up "losing" my lunch apple, sunchips, and the last 18-24 oz of water/gatorade I drank upon completion of the second round while back at the shelter helping Greg with the scores. Very embassinging to say the least, but I am feeling better now that I'm back home, had a shower, and ate some dinner.

Everyone be careful out there all-day in the heat, espically those among us (myself included) that are not well-chiseled specimins.

I know what you guys mean about the heat. I went outside once today to check the mail and it was hot. I'm glad I won't have to check the mail tomorrow. Nothing beats XBox and air conditioning.

probably still going on..but any news on the results would be cool...

who gets to go to rock hill?

advanced player, stafford va represenative, stephen miller beat ellis in a playoff for the win at loriella today. his third place finish at the hawk (hot round 58) and first place finish at loriella have given him the usdgc spot. yesterday at the hollow, the top 3 spots were ams playing open. north carolinian logan sheets, naved hasnain, and our rep, miller. mangus took 3rd at lori.

VA USDGC Rep (http://home.comcast.net/~rhmiracle/vausdgcrep.JPG)

Tony models his fashionable parasol (http://home.comcast.net/~rhmiracle/tdtony.JPG)

Our hard working host!!! let's hear it for John! (http://home.comcast.net/~rhmiracle/tdbiscoe.JPG)

booo - no MTL power pose picture?

Was that this weekend? I forgot.

I called it the "Holy crap these ams call play tournaments"

check the hawk vs. evil thread under players mtl. you are having your 15 minutes of fame over there... :D

I called it the "Holy crap these ams call play tournaments"



that makes no sense

Naved has been playing well lately
I hope he carries it to Tulsa, OK

I called it the "Holy crap these ams call play tournaments"



that makes no sense



But at least he spelled everything right for a change...

there will be a tournament 7/29 at virginia's highest course at wintergreen resort. more info soon.

that sucks. i would love to come if it wasn't the same day as the sizzler!

always wanted to play a course on a ski resort. except for the walking up the mountain part!

I hope I remember.

I was thinking about going to Paw Paw on Sunday for $20 BYOP Doubles.

Anyone interested?

as susi told you elsewhere- this weekend at pawpaw= no throwin', just mowin'. :p

I heard from a very reliable source on Sunday that the grass at New Quarter had been cut over the weekend.

I'm going out there today for the first time in a month :eek:

copied from the blue ridge dgc board, posted there by chris faunce:
July 29th is the day. Start time 11:30 Reg-10:00-11:00

Prizes-yes I will be giving away Day Ski passes to winners/randomly.
I will also be giving away other prizes which may or may not include (depending upon turnout)such as Mnt Bike rentals, Paintball party, Out Of Bounds credit, Ski passes, tubing passes, Custom Discs, T-shirts.

This will be a fun event & cost $15 and include lunch, Customn disc, CTP's. One division (unless we get some kids) with winners taking home the bigger prizes. But the real prize is playing at the Highest Disc Golf Course in Virginia. So I hope to get a small enthusiastic crowd up on top of the mountain. It is always 10-15 degrees cooller here than most places in Virginia.

Support your local Disc Golf course

Keep in mind that we will be playing 27 holes. That will test your abilities.

I might include a horseshoe putting contest & a distance contest ( down a slope where the winner will probably throw 800") into the mix.

Please tell you friends and neighbors to mark their calendars July 29th @ Wintergreen

cfaunce@wintergreenresort.com or 434-325-8025 for further info.

Grass was cut, but not low enough. It is still calf and thigh high in some places.

Please continue to complain if you go out there.

back to the front...


July 29th is the day. Start time 11:30 Reg-10:00-11:00

Prizes-yes I will be giving away Day Ski passes to winners/randomly.
I will also be giving away other prizes which may or may not include (depending upon turnout)such as Mnt Bike rentals, Paintball party, Out Of Bounds credit, Ski passes, tubing passes, Custom Discs, T-shirts.

This will be a fun event & cost $15 and include lunch, Customn disc, CTP's. One division (unless we get some kids) with winners taking home the bigger prizes. But the real prize is playing at the Highest Disc Golf Course in Virginia. So I hope to get a small enthusiastic crowd up on top of the mountain. It is always 10-15 degrees cooller here than most places in Virginia.

Support your local Disc Golf course

Keep in mind that we will be playing 27 holes. That will test your abilities.

I might include a horseshoe putting contest & a distance contest ( down a slope where the winner will probably throw 800") into the mix.

Please tell you friends and neighbors to mark their calendars July 29th @ Wintergreen

cfaunce@wintergreenresort.com or 434-325-8025 for further info.

Naved is currently in the top 10. Everyone here is pullin for ya bro. wish i could be there with ya. remember bang bang bi*ches. bring it home Va.

Naved is currently in the top 15. Everyone here is pullin for ya bro. wish i could be there with ya. remember bang bang bi*ches. bring it home Va.



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BLUE RIDGE OPEN DISC GOLF TOURNAMENT
PRESENTED BY
THE ROANOKE ADVENTURE TEAM
SUNDAY, AUGUST 6, 2006

The Roanoke Adventure Team will hold its ninth PDGA sanctioned event on
Sunday, August 6 at the Montgomery County Disc Golf Course. This event will be
a "C" tier event and is part of the Old Dominion Disc Series (ODDS). The
course has 18 Innova Discatcher baskets with inner chains and three sets of
tees. The course is tight and wooded with challenging elevation changes. The
tees are natural so bring appropriate footwear.

INNOVA DISCATCHER WILL BE GIVEN AWAY
Everyone (Pro and Am) will have a chance to win at no additional cost

Registration opens at 9:00 AM
Players are required to sign in before the players meeting
Players Meeting 10:00
First Round Tee 10:30
Second Round Tee After Lunch Break

WHERE
Montgomery County Park, Christiansburg VA. (24073)

From Interstate 81: I-81 exit 118B (11/460). Follow 11/460 toward
Blacksburg/Virginia Tech. After about 4 miles, you will come to the Peppers
Ferry exit. Turn left at the end of the exit. At the end of Peppers Ferry turn
left on Cinnabar. Take the first right (just before the walking bridge) on
Authority Drive. Take first left into the pavilion parking area. The first tee
is up to the right.

HOW MUCH
Pro Divisions (Open/Master) - $30.00
Advanced Division - $20.00
Intermediate Division - $10.00

Players (except juniors) who are not current PDGA members must pay a $5.00
PDGA non-member fee.

PAYOUT
Top third of each PRO division, top 40% of each ADVANCED division, and top 50%
of each INTERMEDIATE division. Cash for Pro divisions, disc merchandise for
Advanced and Intermediate divisions.

QUESTIONS
Contact Don Wetzel (540-989-7910 or DLWETZEL1@COX.NET) if you have questions.

REGISTRATION
Send name, entry fee, PDGA number, desired division, address, and phone number
to:
Don Wetzel, 4572 Cresthill Drive SW, Roanoke VA, 24018

Gold Tee Singles Challenge Sat Aug 5. Registration 11:30, Tee 12:00
Random Draw Doubles Sat Aug 5. Registration 3:30, Tee 4:00. $5.00 per player.

Here is a partial update to the ODDS points standings with 7 tournaments down and 6 to go.

MPO Brian Skinner 16442 128.0
MPO Adam Vanderslice 21033 83.0
MPO Mike Moser 5557 79.0
MPO Craig Ganglof 4010 75.5
MPO John Gregory 7750 74.0
MPO Vince Whorley 14361 73.0
MPO Ron Turner 9030 69.0
MPO Tommy Donelson 18414 67.0
MPO Ian Liddell 27977 66.5
MPO Tom Kim 11722 62.0
MPO Chris Mangus 16440 61.5
MPM Chris Hysell 7382 80.3
MPM Mike Bonday 14710 68.3
MPM Glenn Henry 2975 65.5
MPM Kelly Washburn 12874 62.0
FPO Lindsay Merce 20573 23.0
FPO Kelly Boyce 21344 18.0
FPO Kristen Weidle 17959 11.0
FPO Rachel Mansir 12856 9.0
MPG Landon Furlong 14159 40.5
MPG Mark Sherwood 14279 24.0
MPG Billy Vigil 7310 16.0
MPG Michael Conger 60 14.0
M1O Erik Smith 25987 163.5
M1O Hunter Todd 26052 154.5
M1O Naved Hasnain 26242 129.0
M1O Bob Cannon 26532 124.3
M1O Steven Jewell 14205 108.0
M1O Edward Foster 14062 92.0
M1O Ryan Jones 26497 91.0
M1O Brandon Bailey 11864 87.5
M1O Derek Britt 27255 83.5
F1O Carol Silverthorn 15738 21.0
F1O Rhonda Ritter 12399 17.5
F1O Wendy Boettcher 28117 14.0
F1O Allison Stokes 28790 13.0
F1O Sara Stokes 26707 13.0
F1O Kim Downs 27291 11.0
M1M Jay Lockamy 25320 49.0
M1M Rick Tortone 27315 25.0
M1M Jeff Shattuck 23454 15.0
M1M Jerry Shelton 15737 13.5
M1M Andrew Austin 10066 12.0
M1M Paul Kardash 28886 12.0

Took the opportunity to play this course on Fri. I'm no expert player or designer, but I found this to be a very nice course. Like Mike said, the grass needs to be mowed, if nothing more than the fairways. Number eight is kind of wicked. Not very long, but it drops off severely on the left, right and behind. I threw four tee shots on seventeen and couldn't get the right amount of anhyzer to get it near the pin. It kind of reminds me of number two at Hawk Hollow, just not as severely uphill. The course will require every shot in the bag. Take note that the next tee is pointed out by an arrow at the bottom of the pole and the map is not terribly accurate(Mike says this problem is being taken care of). Remember to complain about the grass height if you play there. This course has great potential if the fairways get mowed(IMHO)

Rick Graves
Spotsylvania, VA

I went out yesterday to take a look and the grass is really bad. Even worse, if you complain to the front desk, the guy is telling people that there's nothing he can do. The administration folks are not getting the complaints because the attendants are not passing them on.

I suggest the following:
1 - email to parksandrec@yorkcounty.gov and complain
2 - call 757-890-3500 and complain
3 - If you complain at the park, ask the person at the front desk to log in a record of your complaint.

There's nothing more that I can do. Parks and Rec is ignoring my inquiries.

I'd like to thank everyone that played HIGH NOON 2 over the weekend! Planning on bigger and better things for next year!

A message from York County Parks and Rec.

New Quarter Park Disc Golf Course is not officially open and conditions may not be amenable to playing golf.

I know you said you were busy John, but the event was sanctioned right?

Virginia TD's are exempt from turning in their tournament results per their sanctioning agreements.

the pro cards from the board were taken to the grange by the official td of the event where they were promptly lost, i rebuilt the scores from the scorecards and gave them to bryan well over a month ago. i will check on it however. :(

unfortunately i have been elected coordinator again, but i promise everyone that this will be the last time i accept the position- too much babysitting adults. :mad:

thanks John.

I was just curious!

I understand your burnout - kinda going through that myself lately. Not enough people tell guys like you how awesome you are for the sport. I know I love all of your events and will always support what you do in the sport (except Hawk Hollow in the summer - your course really does hate me.)

The weather looks good for the Blue Ridge Open this weekend. I hope everyone travels safely that is making the trip up to the NRV.

i promise everyone that this will be the last time i accept the position- too much babysitting adults. :mad:



Booooooo!!! We will persuade John to accept the position again by forming a babysitting posse.

Vince Whorley wins open
Tim Barr 2nd
Caleb Wood 3rd (*1st cash)

Rusty Von wins masters
Landon Furlong 2nd (also won the basket in the CTP competition)

Greg Clemons wins Advanced Am in a playoff over Steve Jewell.

Kevin Morris wins Am Masters

But most importantly, everyone attending had a great time due mainly to Don, Julie, and Mitch putting on a great day of disc golf for everyone as always. And we finished before the rain hit.

yeah cleb, bout time

what???.... no hysell? ... must be retired or something.

good to see vince is still alive.

there is a spotsy monthly this saturday 8/12 at the grange. 10:00 grange time.

So John are you boys men enough to keep The Load from ca$hing on Saturday or do I have to bring my International Disc Golf Celebrity down there and do the heavy lifting myself?

Perhaps I will mosey down and beat you both again. ;)

i needed a good laugh! :D

Here are the complete results for the 9th Blue Ridge Open. I would like to thank everyone that helped make the tournament a success including the Disc Golf Spirits that held the rain off until the tournament was over. I would like to especially thank John Biscoe for encouraging me to run the first Blue Ridge Open nine years ago.

Bob Williams (PDGA 13833) aced number 6 from the white tees and took home the $122 ace pot. Landon Furlong (PDGA 14159) won the basket CTP and took home a portable Innova Disc Catcher. Will Lewis (PDGA 7674) finally ended his Blue Ridge Open curse and took home some cash.

Good luck to all of the east coast disc golfers that decided to stop at our tournament on their way to the Pro Worlds.


Division Place First Last PDGA Round 1 Rount 2 Total
MPO 1 Vince Whorley 14361 44 49 93
MPO 2 Tim Barr 10512 46 50 96
MPO 3 Caleb Wood 20986 50 55 105
MPO 4 Jeff Maimone 52 55 107
MPO 5 Pete Johnson 9009 51 57 108
MPO 6 Brian Jones 24617 50 59 109
MPO 7 Brock Stimpson 17648 55 61 116
MPO 8 Timothy Brandeburg 55 70 125
MPM 1 Rusty Wilhelm 9748 46 49 95
MPM 2 Landon Furlong 14159 52 51 103
MPM 3 Will Lewis 7674 49 55 104
MPM 3 Mitch Hoeppner 10309 47 57 104
MPM 5 Chris Hysell 7382 49 56 105
MPM 6 Allen Johansen 22201 54 56 110
MPM 7 Johnny Brown 12903 53 58 111
MPM 8 Scott Bowman 7958 51 68 119
MA1 1 Greg Clemons 21804 45 58 103
MA1 2 Steve Jewell 14205 49 54 103
MA1 3 Ben Porter 26309 49 57 106
MA1 3 Branden Bedingfield 23660 48 58 106
MA1 5 Ed Foster 14062 50 57 107
MA1 6 Chip Wood 21920 52 57 109
MA1 7 Michael Sihler 26672 55 55 110
MA1 7 Matt Mitchell 51 59 110
MA1 7 Aaron Graff 27451 52 58 110
MA1 7 Hunter Todd 26052 51 59 110
MA1 11 Justin Laughlin 19095 53 58 111
MA1 11 Tony Losh 19258 48 63 111
MA1 13 Aaron Saft 53 59 112
MA1 13 Jesse Pritchard 26173 51 61 112
MA1 15 Henry Childres 24834 55 58 113
MA1 16 Matt King 28207 53 61 114
MA1 17 Tradd Rodenberg 53 62 115
MA1 17 Jeff Brewer 28250 52 63 115
MA1 19 Jason Hair 25600 55 61 116
MA1 20 Laure Clark 17434 56 62 118
MA1 20 Tim Dempsey 27388 53 65 118
MA1 22 Jeff Peters 21730 56 63 119
MA1 23 Joshua Taft 28396 58 65 123
MA1 24 Daniel Eubank 25598 61 65 126
MM1 1 Kevin Morris 50 60 110
MM1 2 Steve Keighton 28219 54 59 113
MM1 3 Gary Carmichael 15877 50 64 114
MM1 4 Jan Jackson 28226 49 66 115
MM1 4 Tim Reynolds 10757 58 57 115
MM1 6 Dave Wert 58 64 122
MM1 6 Dave Moison 58 64 122
MM1 6 Charles Sheppard 55 67 122
MM1 9 Michael Purcell 62 67 129
MM1 9 Mike Samuel 56 73 129
MM1 11 Gary Foster 64 999 DNF
MA2 1 Jake Moison 55 52 107
MA2 2 Bob Williams 13833 53 55 108
MA2 3 Steven Schmidt 29990 55 54 109
MA2 4 Nick Canedy 51 59 110
MA2 5 Tom Fong 59 54 113
MA2 6 Mark Croushorn 56 62 118
MA2 6 Mick Dempsey 61 57 118
MA2 8 Bob Thompson 29441 63 58 121
MA2 9 Michael Coloton 28945 64 58 122
MA2 10 Caleb Rancourt 64 59 123
MA2 11 Ian Zubowicz 27489 62 62 124
MA2 11 Jamie Parnell 61 63 124
MA2 11 Chris Proctor 61 63 124
MA2 14 Dennis Sleighter 29303 59 66 125
MA2 15 Chet White 65 61 126
MA2 16 Jon Holumzer 66 66 132
MA2 17 Michael Dempsey 27329 69 68 137
MA2 18 Jonathan Reid 68 75 143
MA2 19 Brent Bradshaw 68 999 DNF
FW2 1 Sarah Cates 65 73 138
FW2 2 Corinna Kahn 78 77 155

You weren't in our division, and I doubt you're man enough to take us on in Masters. If you do though we appreciate your added ca$h. It gives The Load another slot to fall to and perhaps make $5.

pretty funny- the man in the tights in the protected division calling out the man with the camera in the more protected division... :p

if you boys keep this up i am going to have to play on saturday.

you can always follow them around as an official and call them on everything, should make it interesting :p

John,.

The Load has already said that you don't have the guts to go up against him. I'm not sure if he meant physically or was questioning your courage.

Hey guys, we made a place for you VA guys on our board to post about upcoming events and chitter chatter if the pdga board is down.
VA on the MD board (http://www.md-discgolf.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

I picked one of your boys up from the airport at AM Worlds; Naved Hasnain.

He is a cool cat, if any of you guys see him let him know Conners said hello.

i will most likely see naved on saturday and will tell him.

nice work on worlds to you, mccoy, and all the tulsa folks.

Hey guys, we made a place for you VA guys on our board to post about upcoming events and chitter chatter



A great idea if you want even fewer people to see your information than you already get here. And who is this we you speak off? Isn't this really your vanity project that you run out of your mothers basement? :confused:

Perhaps I will mosey down and beat you both again.
-Mr. Sherwood on 8-7-06



from the minor league bored...


shark, 1/1/1?
- The Load 8-9-06





no
-Mr. Sherwood 8-9-06



He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Whose afraid of The Load? :o

Anybody from VA comming down to the Sneeky Pete Classic A tier in NC Sept 30 Oct 1 ? There is a thread up with all of the info on it. or go to cedarockdiscgolf.com for all info also.. hope to see all of you there.

FYI for out NOVA neighbors...

http://markmetl.com/pix/sharky_dubs.jpg

Easily a top ten contender for best material of the year.

A message from York County Parks and Rec.

New Quarter Park Disc Golf Course is not officially open and conditions may not be amenable to playing golf.



Got an update on this yesterday and the grass will be cut when its cut, whenever that is. They are working towards developing a grass maintenance plan for the course, but are unsure when that will begin. They have asked for my input, which I will provide.

In the meantime, please don't complain to the Parks people anymore. Their position is that the course is not officially open and though people are welcome to play the course, there should be no expectation that the grass will be cut when you get there.

there will be poker after the tournament (no limit hold 'em) provided there are enough suckers....errr.... players.

i will most likely see naved on saturday and will tell him.

nice work on worlds to you, mccoy, and all the tulsa folks.



Thanks John! Naved had nothing but good things to say about THE GRANGE!!

I suppose everyone by now has heard about Masters World Champion Brad Hammock's actions during the 2006 Pro Worlds, as described in detail here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=415331&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=105&amp;vc=1) . My question is, how would this have been handled if he were on, say, the lead card at this year's Virginia Open playing with the likes of Rusty Von, Washburn, and Crump? I'm guessing, not the same as it went in Augusta :D

or at the WVO? not exactly sure i caught all that happened, but i'm not surprised i guess. just a lesson i guess to keep your temper and check your attitude when you show up. no place for it in disc golf. it's a game, stupid! :D

I suppose everyone by now has heard about Masters World Champion Brad Hammock's actions during the 2006 Pro Worlds, as described in detail here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=415331&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=105&vc=1) . My question is, how would this have been handled if he were on, say, the lead card at this year's Virginia Open playing with the likes of Rusty Von, Washburn, and Crump? I'm guessing, not the same as it went in Augusta :D



I was the non-playing official at the Va. Open and though I didn't have the final say in those matters, I would have put an end to it and am fairly sure I would have been backed up.

Billy played with Brad at the Worlds.

Below please find the current ODDS points standings with only 4 tournaments remaining. If you would like a complete listing and have Excel, send me an E-Mail.

MPO Brian Skinner 16442 142.0
MPO Mike Moser 5557 102.0
MPO Vince Whorley 14361 88.0
MPO Adam Vanderslice 21033 83.0
MPO Craig Ganglof 4010 75.5
MPO John Gregory 7750 74.0
MPO Ron Turner 9030 69.0
MPO Chris Mangus 16440 67.5
MPO Tommy Donelson 18414 67.0
MPO Ian Liddell 27977 66.5
MPO Brian Schweberger 12989 64.0
MPO Tom Kim 11722 62.0
MPO Justin Jernigan 22284 60.0
MPM Chris Hysell 7382 89.8
MPM Mike Bonday 14710 76.3
MPM Glenn Henry 2975 75.5
MPM Kelly Washburn 12874 62.0
MPM Rusty Wilhem 9748 41.5
MPM Ted Zadareky 9019 38.0
MPM Joe Hewlett 22697 36.0
MPM Will Lewis 7674 34.5
MPM Lewis Graninger 2845 34.0
MPM Mark Boyce 10517 32.3
MPM Larry Leonard 3832 32.0
FPO Lindsay Merce 20573 28.0
FPO Kelly Boyce 21344 18.0
FPO Sarah DeMar 25166 14.0
FPO Kristen Weidle 17959 11.0
FPO Rachel Mansir 12856 9.0
FPO Amy Moser 7279 7.0
FPO Donna Raines 21469 7.0
FPO Colleen Dee 6254 6.0
MPG Landon Furlong 14159 40.5
MPG Mark Sherwood 14279 24.0
MPG Billy Vigil 7310 16.0
MPG Michael Conger 60 14.0
MPG Bob Havle 26221 12.0
MPG Buddy Rogers 7494 10.0
MPG Scott Bowman 7958 8.5
M1O Hunter Todd 26052 187.5
M1O Erik Smith 25987 163.5
M1O Bob Cannon 26532 135.6
M1O Steven Jewell 14205 135.0
M1O Naved Hasnain 26242 129.0
M1O Edward Foster 14062 113.0
M1O Greg Clemons 21804 97.5
M1O Ryan Jones 26497 91.0
M1O Brandon Bailey 11864 87.5
M1O Derek Britt 27255 83.5
F1O Carol Silverthorn 15738 26.0
F1O Rhonda Ritter 12399 17.5
F1O Wendy Boettcher 28117 14.0
F1O Allison Stokes 28790 13.0
F1O Sara Stokes 26707 13.0
F1O Kim Downs 27291 11.0
F1O Lisa Vinson 20873 9.0
F1O Donna Raines 21469 7.5
M1M Jay Lockamy 25320 49.0
M1M Rick Tortone 27315 37.0
M1M Paul Kardash 28886 28.0
M1M Jerry Shelton 15737 23.5
M1M Steve Keighton 28219 18.5
M1M Kevin Morris 18.0
M1M Jeff Shattuck 23454 15.0
M1M Andrew Austin 10066 12.0
M1M Gary Carmichael 15877 12.0

Hawk Hollow Open

Hawk Hollow DGC
Spotsylvania, VA
October 28-29, 2006
PDGA C Tier

Field Limit 72 players.
Pre-registration ONLY.
Am divisions limited to 20 players until 10/1

Open Pro, Pro Ladies, Pro Masters- $65
Advanced Men, Advanced Ladies, Advanced Masters- $45
$5 additional for players without current PDGA membership.
No intermediate, recreational, or junior divisions offered for this event.

Players Package to all competitors.
Dinner provided Saturday night.

John Biscoe 8300 Lawyers Rd Spotsylvania, VA 22553
Or paypal to: jbiscoe2@earthlink.net (add $3 for paypal entries)

Info: jbiscoe2@earthlink.net or (540)-661-6685


Event is currently 1/2 way full!! Register soon or stay home!

am spots almost gone...

you forgot poker

im sure there isnt anyone from here registered.
since we all like to wait till the last minute.I hope that I am able to get in,as well as all the other pros around here
Brown
Mangus
Skinner

Is there an online registration list? Our PDGA dues and fees help pay for this. TD's should try to use it. TD's should also report their scores. This means you too Vince.

John,

I just paid you via Paypal

Just got the word that New Quarter Park is closed indefinitely due to damage from TS Ernesto. I will be going out to the park soon to assess damage to the disc golf course, but it sounds as though some chain saws will be in order.

R chainsaws allowed in Vieginia?

They are at golf courses I build :eek:

The storm did mostly tree damage to the course, but one dead pine tree fell and crushed the back end of the short tee on Hole #13. Looks like it can be repaired with quickrete since it's just the back 12 inches or so, but it's still a pissah because these pads were just installed back in May.

I'm heading out there now to cut downed trees.

Hey all-

I just wanted to post a note about upcoming plans for a disc golf clinic DEVOTED SOLELY TO THE LADIES. Colleen Dee and I will be at Gillie's starting this Thursday at 5:30 pm (and then every other Thursday), and will keep it going as long as we have enough interest.

Free lessons/ free plastic/ chance to play with other gals. Every chick gets a driver and a putter just for showing up.

Tell your wives/ friends/ daughters/ girlfriends/ girls you wish would go out with you ...help us spread the word. Thanks

Anyone can email me for more info at: terrycfrank@yahoo.com.

Cheers~

Terry

New Quarter Park will re-open this Saturday, Sept. 16, at 8AM. This new course is slated to be used for the upcoming Newport News Fall Colors Tournament (B-tier) November 11 & 12.

...i take it that the storm damage was minimal...

...i take it that the storm damage was minimal...



Yea, that's pretty surprising considering the following was posted only six days ago:


Just got the word that New Quarter Park is closed indefinitely due to damage from TS Ernesto.



From 'closed indefinitely' to re-opening in six days is quite a miraculous turn-around. :cool:

They weren't sure how long it would take to clear the debris that I cut up last week, so the initial report was "closed indefinitely". That way when they open six days later, they are heros instead of villains for not opening when they say they will :D

Only damage that will need repair is the white (short) tee pad on 13. It will have to be replaced, but is playable as is. Only the rear right corner was crushed.

NN FAll Colors at New Quater???!!!! ****! Only cash was at Newport News course and my girl and I look froward to the Hot Dog King for lunch every year. Who decided this?????

Here we go with the BIG arm courses again!

If all werks out I will b at NN dis year.

Easy Jimmy, don't have a fit! It's only an effort to avoid adding temp holes and have a smoother running event. The tournament was overwhelmed last year with more than 100 players.

This year the plan is to have the pros play two rounds at NQ on Sat., then a round at NN on Sun., with the final nine at NN. Ams will play two rounds at NN Sat., then a morning round at NQ on Sun., then back to NN for the final nine.

I think you will still be able to get your Hot Dog King on.

just because a course is long does not make it a big arm course if it is well designed. 500 foot holes play to the big arm much less than 400 foot holes. imo the course in va that rewards the big arm the most is sherando from the long tees which is considerably shorter than hawk hollow, new quarter, etc.

I've had that discussion with Jimmy today. If the holes are long he will complain because he didn't approach well. If the holes are short he will complain because he didn't putt well. In truth he only cashed at Newport News because I wasn't there to take another cash spot. I control his destiny.

BTW, I won Sherando this year on a windy day over a much longer thrower.

And another BTW, my next scheduled round of disc golf is Oct. 13th. Don't bother calling me to play somewhere. I am retired.

BTW, I won Sherando this year on a windy day over a much longer thrower.



I bet it was in a one hole playoff too

Is the monthly still on for this Saturday?

BTW, I won Sherando this year on a windy day over a much longer thrower.



I bet it was in a one hole playoff too



No playoff this year. That was a previous year.

Thanks Mike, but the Hot Dog King is closed on Sundays. That is a cool format and NQ will seperate the players from the not players. I just have been falling into the not players all year. That is why I did not play Paw Paw and the Bash. My game is probably no better but I miss the competion so I will be there DFLing or not!

We should have you done in time on Saturday to swing by HD King. I'm hoping that with the additional course, we can have groups of three and four. Fivesomes bog down the process.

yep, fivesomes suck. i will never run an event with fivesomes again.

On that note (The one about the FACT that fivesomes suck) what response would I get if I said that there is consideration being given to limiting the field at next year's VA Open to 144 players (72 Pro and 72 AM). No fivesomes.

YES! 5somes truly suck!

Is monthly still ON for Sat. at Loriella? 10am?

according to the prez, monthly is OFF.

Just a note about Fall Colors, details of format and play at the tournament are not yet finalized. We are working on that right now. There will be a posting in early Oct. with all the info. We are all looking forward to a great event and the use of New Quarter this year. Mike August has done a great job out there and if all goes well we could see the 10th Annual Fall Colors as an "A" Tier next year.
BTW I'm all for limiting field sizes, there are several reasons why, speaking as an active TD (my opinion only) and after last years VA Open Bryan Law has all my support at any venue. Looking forward to seeing all of you soon.

Did anyone ace Hole #7 long at Dorey this weekend? :cool:
Oh, it must have been me. Tee-Hee! :D

I'm all for limiting the field to 72 per course (72 ams/72 Pros). It may require a slightly higher entry fee and maybe a bit more sponsorship, but will result in a more enjoyable event for everyone involved.

come on up to calvert on sunday(details at md-discgolf.com), or if you have all weekend the yetter is going on also.

Fivesomes at the Grange have never been that bad IMO.

To me, it doesn't matter if it is all 5-somes or all 4-somes, that thing that always causes a snag is if there is a group on every hole, and there will always be backups if this is the case, 4 top or 5 top.

I'm all for limiting the field to the number of holes you have. I'm a 2x TD and this year was good having just under 70 players, but last year was 80 people on 18 holes and it caused some back up issues. This year at the Grange, I ended up in a 3some behind a 5some and it really sucked.

Hole 7 long at Dorey is shorter than hole #7 short. BTW, I have aced 7 long and short, 8 long and short and 9 short. But since I retired, none of this really matters.

Chris,
In order to save your finger stregnth for the X-Box, you should list all the hole you haven't aced instead of all the ones you have aced. You could cut yout typing by 50-75%. :D

I'm all for limiting the field to 72 per course (72 ams/72 Pros). It may require a slightly higher entry fee and maybe a bit more sponsorship, but will result in a more enjoyable event for everyone involved.



why would it require either of those??? the only reason it would is if you're caught up in the numbers/payout game where you judge events solely on those factors.

it may require listening to a few more non-pre-registering whiners but ,hey, some of us enjoy that anyway. ;)

must rest fingers

come on up to calvert on sunday(details at md-discgolf.com), or if you have all weekend the yetter is going on also.



Is that a hyphen or a dash?

i just got back from new quarter the grass is cut short and there were no big changes to any holes except for hole 8 open a little with one tree down where it makes it possible for a tumber shortcut

This course is coming along well. The tee signs should be here any day now. We picked bench locations this past Friday and I have just made a "to do" list for the Parks Dept. Trash cans are also planned. Course should be 100% by November. Grass is being cut once per week now.

what up all Ive been out of commishon since paw paw blew my deg on elbow out AGAIN no strength in it at all..
But some of yall know by now that the Zilla will be renewing his vows to his beloved wife after 10 years of marrage.
11/11/06 yes that is the same day as fall colors I wont ask anyone to miss the tourney on account of me,however I will be throwing a HUGE reception party after the cerimoney.
If anyone would like to come please let me know so I can have enough ,liqure,beer,food,and all that jive .Everything will be free.So post here if you will or send a private message...
Peace Zilla

time to start practicing lefty rob. you can join me in advanced as soon as you get your rating down.

next ODDS event is the MOUNTAIN JAM October 7 at Walnut Creek in Albemarle County. WC is imo one of the 2 best public courses in VA and is certainly the most under-appreciated. tourney info available at avenue.org/brdgc

No, not really. Just a reminder that the Richmond womens' group meets tomorrow (Thursday) at 5:30 pm at Gillies Creek. Chicks only. Lessons/ doubles/ casual play. Every lady gets a disc just for showing up. We'll try and meet every other week as long as we have enough interested people. Spread the word. Email me at terrycfrank@yahoo.com w/ questions. Thanks

Cheers~

Terry

yea John I think your right start throwing left handed and turbo put righty

james bailey ,from md, was on the verge of an open career and blew out a shoulder i believe. he learned to play lefty and i actually played against him in advanced with only his left handed drives. he now regained strength on the right side and is deadly with both sides. some admirable shiot.

Anyone locally going to play Sneaky Pete - still trying to decide if I'm want to go?

SP? I'm still retired. All disc related materials have been removed from my vehicles.

I also figured you were discontinuing contact with disc golf people, because I called you the other day to see if you are going and you didn't answer. If that's the case, then there is really no need for you to moniter the disc golf chat...Anyway,if you change your mind call me

Format details for this tournament have been ironed out, so I thought I would start spreading the word.

Two courses will be used this year; Newport News Park and New Quarter Park. Directions are in the PDGA directory and will also be on the flyer to be produced, probably this week.

The pros will register at New Quarter on Sat. Nov. 11. The Ams will register at Newport News the same day. Pros will play two rounds at New Quarter. Ams will play two rounds at Newport News. Sat. tee time is 10AM for all.

On Sunday Nov. 12, the Pros will play one round at Newport News starting around 10AM. The Ams will play one round at New Quarter starting around 9AM. After lunch, there will be a final nine played at Newport News on the Super Nine course. Top finishers playing in the final nine will be dependent upon field size. Awards presentation will follow the final nine.

Other details will be enumerated in the flyer.

MOUNTAIN JAM October 7 at Walnut Creek in Albemarle County. WC is imo one of the 2 best public courses in VA and is certainly the most under-appreciated. tourney info available at avenue.org/brdgc



Does anyone know if proper bridges were ever installed on Holes #7 & #8 at Walnut Creek? This has been the plan for years, but the last time I was there (Oct. '05) the bridges were still logs left over from course construction.

I have the flyer for the tournament now, but don't know how to post the file here.

Can anybody instruct me on that?

Mike, I can stick it up on my website and we could post a link to it, email me if that works, you can get my email addy off my website www.esdgc.com (http://www.esdgc.com)

anyone coming down for sneeky peTTe, charloTTe, or the USDGC from the blacksburg area?

anyone coming down for sneeky peTTe, charloTTe, or the USDGC from the blacksburg area?



you mean to like NC? Do they know where that is?

Thanks Shane - I will do that.

here's a link for the Fall Colors at Newport News

http://www.esdgc.com/NNFC9.pdf

or all the info is at

http://www.esdgc.com/nnp/nnp.html

anyone coming down for sneeky peTTe, charloTTe, or the USDGC from the blacksburg area?



Hey Juf. Did you know I was retired? I was. I put every disc golf related item in my house on September 6th. I was done. I hated the stupid game. Yesterday I stopped being a baby and went out and threw a few holes. The discs went where I was aiming and there was no longer any anger. It will be a slow recovery but I will be back. Just look for me at local events. I don't plan on travelling any this year.

didnt know you were from the blacksburg area, but thanks for the update nonetheless. i too am also retired, came out recently for the MSDGC & southern naTTs back to back... it was a liTTle much. i will probably be re-retired until november

here's a link for the Fall Colors at Newport News

http://www.esdgc.com/NNFC9.pdf

or all the info is at

http://www.esdgc.com/nnp/nnp.html



Thanks Shane!

Everybody - PLEASE be cool and do the pre-registration thing. (except Hysell - he's retired you know.)

There are some guys out of the Roanoke area heading down for the Pete.

What is this I am hearing about the "Mountain Jam"?????
I was told that it was moved up to the 7th. I hope NOT! With pre res. for Hawk Hollow my budgit will not allow me to play on the 7th. I had my budgit figured out for the 14th.

Hey all ~
This is the same message as on the River City DISCtoberfest link ...

Here is a link to the flyer. There are some significant changes, and the info on the flyer trumps anything previously posted on the PDGA or our club's website.

The Flyer:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0JwgRd0D176N3eCICzijDhzbSUqlWxYmxRnSwSis_MOUoxxRXV E5Jjxbn2oI4ywArdnx7SykRjIy0Om5fj2x_A/FINAL_Flyer_PDF.pdf

This will NOT be a PDGA event. Sorry if that causes anyone to opt out, but if so, please reconsider. We're a new club (like 2 weeks old) and started the tourney planning too late to get all our ducks in a row with the PDGA. But I guarantee this will still be a quality one day event worth your attendance.

Our main goal is to get Richmond golfers to come out and play, as well as introduce you all to Richmond's Citizens Against Crime (www.cacrichmond.org). This is an awesome organization that is doing some amazing things here in River City, and they have BIG plans for the future where disc golf is concerned. All proceeds (after 100% payout and the $1,000 added cash!!!!) go to CAC. If for no other reason, play this tournament because you'll be doing something fantastic for our fabulous city.

We WILL provide child care at the course during the tournament and are trying to also arrange the same for the players' party. Please email me (terrycfrank@yahoo.com) if you will need the babes attended to ...

Sponsorships available starting at $35.00. I'll post a link for that asap. We also encourage all Richmong disc golfers to join the club. More info on that to follow (check out the club link on the PDGA website.)

River City Disc Golf Club: www.iamwhois.com (http://www.iamwhois.com)

That's all for now. Email me at terrycfrank@yahoo.com for more info on any of the above.

Cheers~

Terry

Would someone post the Blue Ridge Disc Golf Club web site link???? I would like to see the flier for the Mountain Jam. Does anyone know how much it is to play???? What divisons will there be? It is a shame to have a tournament on such a nice course and NO info to let anyone know about it!!!!!!!

Try this link:

http://www.avenue.org/brdgc/

I am not going to be able to make it but I copied and pasted this from the BRDGC website.

Mountain Jam V
Walnut Creek Park
October 7, 2006
Open/Pros = $30 /Amatuers = $20 /Youth = $10
(add $5 for non-PDGA members)
Players Meeting 9am sharp! Tee Time 9:30am
Two Rounds of 18 Holes
Ace Pot (optional)
CTPs (optional)
Am & Youth Includes Mountain Jam Disc
Registration: Call or Write
David Vance
5467 Hilltop St.
Crozet, VA 22932
(434) 531-5976
drdhvance@gmail.com
Pay Ahead with Paypal:
http://www.vanceip.biz/BRDGC.html

Would someone post the Blue Ridge Disc Golf Club web site link???? I would like to see the flier for the Mountain Jam. Does anyone know how much it is to play???? What divisons will there be? It is a shame to have a tournament on such a nice course and NO info to let anyone know about it!!!!!!!



I'm amazed that your PDGA Tour page didn't have the link to their website.

I also can't believe that they can't spell amateur.

Blue Ridge Golf Link (http://avenue.org/brdgc/index.htm)

They even have the link in Texas.

Hey all~

RCDGC is holding a meeting at 5:30 p.m. on Wed. Oct. 4 at Gillies Creek before random doubles. All are invited to attend. Learn about/ join the club, and find out how you can help with the Oct. 21 tournament.

Here's a flyer for the meeting:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YBshRcF4U-FBiSdUDjM9070ZlTFdO495YIjs6D8cOpVz6VIKBbs94J-DDn51WcE4uOzFuZbnn7bWi2f67u8KMw/First%20Meeting.jpg

cheers~

terry

I'm sorry not alot of information has been posted about the Jam. It is this Saturday at Walnut Creek. The course is in great shape for the weekend. We will not be playing short to short and long to long as we have in previous years. This years Mountain Jam will feature the best holes our course has to offer. There will also be a random draw doubles tourney on Friday at 4:30.

We have plenty of custom Mountain Jam discs available in Star, champion, and DX plastic!

Hope to see everyone in Cville this weekend.

Jesse

Thanks for the update Jessie.

We have plenty of room. Visit our website to register for the tournament: www.avenue.org/brdgc (http://www.avenue.org/brdgc)

Anyone pre-registering (payment needs to be received by Friday night) is entered into a drawing for a free entry to the Hawk Hollow Open at the end of October.

Come on out and join us!

David (aka DaDr)

Does anyone know if Brian Skinner is going to USDGC? I didn't see his name on the registered competitors list....You have a month from when you qualify to sign up...He qualified september 3rd...Please someone pass the info. on to him if you have contact info. for him if he plans to attend...

I want some more VA guys down there..

I'm pretty sure he's going and I don't think they've updated the Registered Players list in a while.

ok, cool...hope you're right

Just to get a little more information out:

Pre Register!! You can win a free spot at the Hawk Hollow tournament! HH is full (or will be this weekend!), so if you don't have a spot, you could win it in the drawing! If you do have a spot, we'll pay for it if your name is choosen! Only those who pre-reg are eligible (pay-pal through www.avenue.org/brdgc (http://www.avenue.org/brdgc) ).

Some of the prizes we have:
Wintergreen Ski Passes!
Wintergreen Tubing Passes!
Shirts, hats, various goodies!
Tickets to a UVA football game!!
And of course, discs! We have a Mountain Jam stamp this year, as well as some Wintergreen stamps. Don't miss 'em!
Ladies may have a chance to take home some personally crafted soaps, lightweight discs, and single eligible disc golfers!

Fun times by all!
Come check out the course, you may find it to be one of Virginia's finest!

See ya there
Dan!

And don't forget, FRIDAY NIGHT DOUBLES!

Teeing at 4:30 pm. Get a good look at the course from the BLUE tees.

Some of the prizes we have....
Ladies ..... single eligible disc golfers!



Please tell me I did not just read that ...

After several misguided attempts to post a link to the flyer, I give up. Here is the skinny on what WILL be the chilliest one day tourney y'all have seen in a long time ... free place to stay and texas hold em both friday night and after the playa's party .... email me for accomodations and poker registration (poker not affiliated at all w/ CAC or the tourney)

TOURNAMENT DETAILS:
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITIZENS AGAINST CRIME: River City�s First Annual DISCtoberfest

Saturday, October 21, 2006
$1,000 added cash, 100% payout
Two Rounds ~ Gillies Creek Disc Golf Course
First Round: 10:00 a.m. ~ Registration closes at 9:00 a.m.
Players� Meeting ~ 9:30 a.m.

All Pro Divisions $40.00
Advanced $25.00
Intermediate & Recreational $15.00

Registration via PayPal (terrycfrank@yahoo.com), or send it to Terry Frank/ 4412 Patterson Ave., Richmond, VA 23221. Be sure to indicate which division and shirt size.

Players� package and CTPs for all Divisions
Ring of Fire after 2nd round ~ Grand Prize is a Basket!!!
Free childcare at the course from 9:00 a.m. � 4:00 p.m.
Vendors to take lunch orders before Round 1.
Players/ Sponsors/ Spectators Party at iNCUBATE � Free beer/ food/ live music!!!!

Sponsorships available ~ email terrycfrank@yahoo.com. Hole sponsorships start @ $35 and will get t-shirt/ tee sign/ listing in program. Other levels of sponsorship available.

THIS WILL NOT BE A PDGA EVENT.

Spread the word... email me for more details ...

Cheers~

Terry

way to snag sponsorship for this event. sounds like you guys have a good thing cookin. i'll see if i cant bring alot of NOVA down there.

Some of the prizes we have....
Ladies ..... single eligible disc golfers!



Please tell me I did not just read that ...



They were going to say "for you ladies, Chris Hysell will be in attendance" but they new the course could only hold 90 players. I think they handled it well.

bring em! Meltyface?! Dats funny!

Thats REAL funny!!

They were going to say "for you ladies, Chris Hysell will be in attendance" but they <font color="red"> new </font> the course could only hold 90 players. I think they handled it well.



Nice. No fair crying "typo", either... :eek:

They were going to say "for you ladies, Chris Hysell will be in attendance" but they <font color="red"> new </font> the course could only hold 90 players. I think they handled it well.



Nice. No fair crying "typo", either... :eek:



Yeah, Hysell. Your reign as spellchecker is over. One incorrect word and the kingdom crumbles.

it was a mistake but now is a word so technically I spelled it right

still wrong, i think the correct word you are looking for is KNEW. put down the xbox while you are typing for god's sake!

I'm getting closer. It's gnu.

Jam scores?

Jam scores?



Not sure of any scores, but they were very high as the weather was great!!. DaDr should post up soon. No one shot par for both rounds.

51 was hot first round and 56 second

Jesse Pritchard won Open, Mike Bonday won Masters and Greg Clemens won advanced with borrowed discs.

Jam scores? what up?!

Jesse Pritchard won Open


Wow, congrats to the other "JP". Way to step up.

Greg Clemens won advanced with borrowed discs.


Is that legal?

Hey kids-
Registrations are starting to pour in. Save your spot asap- field is capped at 72 players. Hole sponsorships still available ($35.00). Details on the tourney are posted previously on this thread, and the club link at www.iamwhois.com (http://www.iamwhois.com) is now working. Just scroll down under "news" and click the flyer to download.

Get your registrations in ASAP.

Terry

Looks like our guy in the USDGC is tearing it up early. Some people call him the Space Cowboy, some call him the Gangster Of Love... :D

I'm clueless now.

And a little slow. I get it now.

LOL, I stumped Hysell. :D

Hey all~

Get your entries in fast. If you can't make the 2 day tournament in Greenville, come to Richmond for a great one day event ($1,000 added cash), basket give away, tons of CTPs and free live music/band/ food at the players party afterwards.

Mail registrations to Terry Frank: 4412 Patterson Ave., RVA 23221. Paypal accepted: terrycfrank@yahoo.com.
$40.00 pro- add $2.00 for paypal
$25.00 advanced- add $1.00
$15.00 inter./ novice- add $1.00

A few hole sponsorships still available.

Texas hold-em Friday night at 8:00 pm. Email me if you want to play so we can hold you a spot.

See ya in Richmond!

Terry

Hey all- please don't paypal your entry fees for the DISCtoberfest after Thursday. Thanks!

Anybody know Chase Rivera? I found a disc of his on Sunday & the phone # on it is either unreasdable or bunk. PM me.

hey john,
have you set a date for the '07 VTI?
thanks

The tee signs have now been installed and the tee pads have all been dressed so that Hysell won't trip and hurt his ankle.

Everyone intending to play in the Newport News Fall Colors Tournament should go out there and play this new course since it will be one of two courses used this year.

hey john,
have you set a date for the '07 VTI?
thanks



not as of yet, i am considering some back surgery over the winter and am debating making vti 07 a fall event. our area schedule usually gets made up in november so i wouldn't expect anything definitive before then. if it is in the spring it will be whichever of the 2 last weekends in march there is no supertour on the west coast. if in the fall my preference would be the last weekend in october but that would be dependent on the regional pdga schedule.

hey john,
have you set a date for the '07 VTI?
thanks



not as of yet, i am considering some back surgery over the winter and am debating making vti 07 a fall event. our area schedule usually gets made up in november so i wouldn't expect anything definitive before then. if it is in the spring it will be whichever of the 2 last weekends in march there is no supertour on the west coast. <font color="blue"> if in the fall my preference would be the last weekend in october but that would be dependent on the regional pdga schedule. </font>




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

then you would not have hho or have to move it....

hho fits perfectly before vegas every year!!!

vti fits perfect in the spring

thanks for listening :D

keith

All I know is the Home Team now represents the USA, not just Spotsy :D

the home team is subject to the exact same restrictions as all of the others- they are all allowed 2 non-grandfathered, non- local playas.

Yes I know I know, I just like giving ya a bunch of crap.

Biscoe, any new rules this year?

Why are you asking Bisoce, just ask Vince instead :D

WELL
I didn't ask YOU.

SO... STFU!!!

Biscoe, any new rules this year?



not as of now, although i haven't really given it any thought yet.

the home team is subject to the exact same restrictions as all of the others- they are all allowed 2 non-grandfathered, non- local playas.



Except for that one itsy bitsy restriction... We're EXEMPT, #$*&$!! ;) :D

John,

Would ever consider seeding restrictions?..By that I mean the highest pdga rated player on a team would be the #1 seed, the next highest, the #2 seed and so on...

Or if not this, then some type of restriction?

Or if there is no type of restrictions, then would all the seeds for each team be made available for everyone else to see prior to the tournament so teams could work on match ups that they want....?

Can officially retired players compete?

Biscoe, any new rules this year?



not as of now, although i haven't really given it any thought yet.



You should require use of compressed or slipped discs only. :D

John,

Would ever consider seeding restrictions?..By that I mean the highest pdga rated player on a team would be the #1 seed, the next highest, the #2 seed and so on...

Or if not this, then some type of restriction?

Or if there is no type of restrictions, then would all the seeds for each team be made available for everyone else to see prior to the tournament so teams could work on match ups that they want....?



nope, that's the beauty of coaching (like vince did the first year in leading blue ridge to the final). i also don't see requiring seeds to be announced in advance working out- who would have to announce first so that the rest could "work on matchups"?, etc.

imo the strong teams will continue to seed best to worst and it is likely in the best interest of weaker teams to do otherwise.

mike's idea sounds good though. compressed discs i have got. :(