If you've never listened to anything i've ever said before maybe you should listen now. Not one of us started playing disc golf for the money. I personally play a lot of tournaments. Playing well is more important than the money I get as a reward.

My point isn't about winning money, it's about not losing money. I understand many AM's prefer lower entry, and that works great for them. I haven't heard many Pro's complain about an entry fee being too high though. Especially if the payout is deep, like 50% of the field. In those situations often the bottom casher breaks even. To a certain degree you should be able to rely on your skill to merely break even. Of course everyone has bad days, but that's not what I'm talking about. It certainly doesn't help the payout when there are 500 Masters and 3 Open players, yet the ratings are similar and they shoot the same scores. That's a whole other issue.

Do players in "trophy only" Open division not contribute to the Open purse?

My point isn't about winning money, it's about not losing money. I understand many AM's prefer lower entry, and that works great for them. I haven't heard many Pro's complain about an entry fee being too high though. Especially if the payout is deep, like 50% of the field. In those situations often the bottom casher breaks even. To a certain degree you should be able to rely on your skill to merely break even. Of course everyone has bad days, but that's not what I'm talking about. It certainly doesn't help the payout when there are 500 Masters and 3 Open players, yet the ratings are similar and they shoot the same scores. That's a whole other issue.

Do players in "trophy only" Open division not contribute to the Open purse?

I understand what you are saying Ian. But I have heard people complain about entry fees being too high. That comes from the people who don't cash but like to think they have a chance. It's funny, in the larger masters division everyone thinks they have a chance to win. I know I do.

I have never been involved with a "trophy only" offered event but i'd guess that the money goes to buy trophies, not really subsidize the division.

as someone who has run a lot of events far and away the most difficult, soul-rending part of it is the begging for sponsorship.with a few exceptions it is difficult to show business entities the value inherent in sponsoring dg events. selling a lot of individual sponsorship takes planning, diligence, and often an out of pocket outlay of cash for the items (usually sponsor discs) used to incentivize these individual sponsorships. (as well as a well established communications network)

imo there is a place for low entry fee events without a bunch of added cash. competition need not be all about the dinero.

that being said... BUY A DISC!!!!

i'm pimping these supercolor buzzz as fundraisers for the HHO. $20 or $22 shipped, pm for more info.
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Heh...everybody knows I keep my entry fees low because of the ridiculous Bay Bridge and Tunnel fees...$17 round trip ticket just to get here! True, it's not always about the money, but it's fun stuffing a bunch added cash in the poke too.

Ray - nope on the home brew...I actually won't be able to make it out to HH this time around, but I'm on the wagon right now anyways...and I'm 30lbs to the better for it.

Maybe someone should try a no payout event with only pdga fees and see what happens.

And John as always i'll take a buzzz off ya, 177g+ if you have any more.

Ian,

I know you only meant to start a conversation about low entry fees and payouts, but it fired me up a little. Last time you were here in '07 you said you would never come back to the Mountain Jam because you couldn't play well on our "short" teepads. I'm sure you were appreciative of the low entry fee then.

The other issue we face every year is that we are in direct competition for the better pro players with the USDGC. Do you really think we are going to pull these pros away with higher entry fees?

Our tournament has grown from a small one day tournament that only had 29 players the first year it was sanctioned in 2004, to a split pro/am two day tournament that had 101 players this year. There are no set templates to run a disc golf tournament. The template we use to run our tournament is successful. Added cash or not, we want everyone to play The Jam because it's a fun, well run event on one of the prettiest courses in VA!


Mountain Jam IIX
71 golfers on Saturday
30 golfers on Sunday
We paid out 136% of the Am entry and 128% Pro.


Seeya next weekend at Hawk Hollow, where I know I will be forking over my entry fee to better pros.

Jesse Pritchard
VERY LOW PRO
Not the MJ TD

I never said I only added cash to the open divisions..I spread it across every division

Shane and Daniel,

While I applaud your efforts on adding cash to the Pro purse, you are only proving the Mtn Jam's philosophy correct. Your pro purse paid out 200%-250% and your tournaments had a combined total of 7 open players. Maybe more open players will come in the future, or maybe they won't. I would say your efforts would have been better served to have added that additional money across the board where many more could have benefited - not only 2 or 3 people.


Jesse Pritchard
VERY LOW PRO
Not the MJ TD

Jesse, I never said we didn't spread the added cash troughtout all divisions. You yourself know we do that here having played the tournament. We gave 3 out the 4 am division winners baskets this year and didn't take anything out of the am payout to pay for the players packs all attributing to a 340% am event value compared to 306% pro event value. In addition to that our pro entry was only $40, 10 higher than the MJ, for a two day event with a players pack. I don't see how we were that far off the MJ's philosphy of low entry fees.

Sorry guys, I know you are only trying to promote your respective events. I apologize for grouping the two of you in my previous post. I have edited the post.

Looking at the announcement I have, the ECC was $45 for pros unless you committed 6 weeks in advance... that's 50% more than the jam. Not bad, but still more than the Jam, and I definitely appreciated what you guys did.

I understand the issues on both sides. We had 6 pros plus 3 guys taking the trophy only option... playing for $10 each... so after fees, those guys might contribute $6 each toward the purse...

For every Ian that complained that if he finished second at a tournament that he didn't go to, he couldn't recoup his entry fee plus his gas money for the drive, I heard from 4 or so appreciative players who said that they loved not having to pay $50 to play a tournament...

Maybe we should go with the Gangloff method... 1000+ $80, 980+ $60, 960+ $40, everyone else $30, and Ian can pay his $60 and be happy. Or maybe its an argument that we should eliminate the middle age division and only offer Open and Grandmasters. Does Jim Conrad really need to be protected from Vince or Kilby?

Here Ye! Here Ye! Here Ye!
I have considered, reconsidered, and multi-considered the "Round Duration vs. Sunset issue"
Looks like I will have to limit the field to 54 players. (Threesomes)

Approximate schedule right now is:
7:15 AM Check-in opens
8:00:00 Check-in closed (Thanks for being a sponsor)
8:15 Tee assignments posted (Not enough time for a meeting)
8:30 Round 1 begins (3 hours 45 minutes)
12:15 PM Lunch
12:45 Round 2 begins or else! (3 hours 15 minutes)
4:00 Cards drizzle in for 22 minutes and 30 seconds
4:30 Payout ceremony and "Get out of Dodge"

Those round durations are based on threesomes with one or two groups starting on the Southern Nine last year.
Foursome round durations appear to be catostrophic.
Calling all players in before 36 holes are completed negates a "PDGA" event!

I thought about having the awards at Antonelli's but parking is just too limited.
Going to have to charge per slice for pre-paid/ordered hot delivered pizza or you're on your own for the 30-45 minute lunch break.
No Bluemont Bux, Amateur payout will be picked for you. Everybody git's what they git.

This decision is basically already made but I will review and consider any alternate options and opinions before posting my final decision next week.

Maybe someone should try a no payout event with only pdga fees and see what happens.

Funny.

Ian,

I know you only meant to start a conversation about low entry fees and payouts, but it fired me up a little. Last time you were here in '07 you said you would never come back to the Mountain Jam because you couldn't play well on our "short" teepads. I'm sure you were appreciative of the low entry fee then.

The other issue we face every year is that we are in direct competition for the better pro players with the USDGC. Do you really think we are going to pull these pros away with higher entry fees?

My not liking the teepads doesn't have anything to do with anything, other than having poor tees on a fantastic course. And no, I wasn't happy about the low entry fee, and neither was the gentleman who drove down from Delaware and won the tournament to be shocked by the payout he received.

Also, you are not in direct competition with the USDGC in any way. USDGC is invite only, and the majority of players are 1000+ rated. There are dozens of sub 1000 rated Pro's and new Pro's within driving distance of Walnut. USDGC is clearly not the reason why they aren't there.

I understand the issues on both sides. We had 6 pros plus 3 guys taking the trophy only option... playing for $10 each... so after fees, those guys might contribute $6 each toward the purse...

For every Ian that complained that if he finished second at a tournament that he didn't go to, he couldn't recoup his entry fee plus his gas money for the drive, I heard from 4 or so appreciative players who said that they loved not having to pay $50 to play a tournament...

It's not about me, I'm just trying to look out for my division and my sport. There's obviously a legitimate problem here, and people are taking it personally.

There were 9 players in the Open field at Walnut. Only 4 of those 9 are legitimate Pro's. Vince, Hunter, Kilby, and Conrad Jr. The rest were AM's playing up. We already know Kilby prefers a better payout. I know Hunter does as well. I'm sure Vince wouldn't have complained about a few extra dollars in his pocket for his win. I don't know where Jr. stands, but I assume it's for better payout. So who were these 4 supposed people to every Ian for a low entry?

Maybe we should go with the Gangloff method... 1000+ $80, 980+ $60, 960+ $40, everyone else $30, and Ian can pay his $60 and be happy. Or maybe its an argument that we should eliminate the middle age division and only offer Open and Grandmasters. Does Jim Conrad really need to be protected from Vince or Kilby?

Gangloff's sliding scale entry based on rating was a brilliant idea, and seemed to work wonderfully. That format would be better for higher par courses though IMO, where there is clear score separation between AM's and Pro's. See Golden Hills, where sometimes the best score of the day is from the AM or Masters division.

The protected divisions have bothered me for a while. It just seems bad for our sport in every way. Conrad certainly doesn't need protection, neither does Jim Myers, or Joe Mela, or Ken Climo. I don't want to rant about Masters too much, but it would be nice if the age was AT LEAST 45, if not 50. There are countless 1000 rated Masters these days, and there are going to be many more. How bout support the sport and play in the Open division where you belong. Guys literally will look at a payout sheet to decide which division they will play in. Total BS.

I have nothing but respect for anyone putting in effort to make our sport better. If you know me, you know that. There's always room for improvement.

Here Ye! Here Ye! Here Ye!
I have considered, reconsidered, and multi-considered the "Round Duration vs. Sunset issue"
Looks like I will have to limit the field to 54 players. (Threesomes)

Approximate schedule right now is:
7:15 AM Check-in opens
8:00:00 Check-in closed (Thanks for being a sponsor)
8:15 Tee assignments posted (Not enough time for a meeting)
8:30 Round 1 begins (3 hours 45 minutes)
12:15 PM Lunch
12:45 Round 2 begins or else! (3 hours 15 minutes)
4:00 Cards drizzle in for 22 minutes and 30 seconds
4:30 Payout ceremony and "Get out of Dodge"

Those round durations are based on threesomes with one or two groups starting on the Southern Nine last year.
Foursome round durations appear to be catostrophic.
Calling all players in before 36 holes are completed negates a "PDGA" event!

I thought about having the awards at Antonelli's but parking is just too limited.
Going to have to charge per slice for pre-paid/ordered hot delivered pizza or you're on your own for the 30-45 minute lunch break.
No Bluemont Bux, Amateur payout will be picked for you. Everybody git's what they git.

This decision is basically already made but I will review and consider any alternate options and opinions before posting my final decision next week.

I hope I'm able to play. Was a shame to miss opening year on my home course.

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Look at the LOW LEVEL PRO getting pumped by those that continually cash:) No hard feelings Ian!

It was looking like this wasn't going to happen, but I have figured out a way to get the alternate pin positions installed before the Fall Colors Tournament on Nov. 7 & 8. My office work load is currently slow so my boss has authorized me to work on clearing for the new pin positions during my usual work days next week. I have also cancelled my travel plans for Oct. 31 and so I propose that we install the collars that day.

Weather permitting, I plan on being out at the course tomorrow morning to continue clearing. I would welcome some help.

I sincerely hope that this news will brighten someone's day. These alternate positions will make the course even more challenging and hopefully will be a welcome enhancement to the course.

my stupid player rating keeps going up. Oops PDGA tournament info. Hawk Hollow Open was fun except for that stupid stake.

only bad shots hit that stake. you need to get that rating back down or you'll ruin the logistics for the HHome TTeam.

sorry but i can't help it. it's going to go back up again

John, is there a trophy only division for HH ams? I want to come play again and abuse my body some more next weekend.

no trophy only. you can play and donate your winnings to something else though. if you do it maybe i'll do it too. it's gonna be embarassing when stu and dwight whip up on us though.

I'd worry about Tom Coffin. He seems to be playing in both events.

Mike
I am very excited about the new pin positions at New Quarter. This will enhance an already awesome course. I too agree to get the sleeves in when the chance to do so comes around. However; I do not like the idea of changing the course right before a tournament. I like to play the course in my head the night before an event. Try to figure out what disc I am going to throw on each hole and come into the tournament with a game plan. Changing the course before the tournament will give the locals a slight edge at the start. With the tournament so close. They will be the only ones to see or play the new positions. I am just throwing this out there lets say for some.... food for thought. I am sure Chris will chime in. So please get the new sleeves in place. I look forward the the enhancements!

Jimmy and all others-

Hopefully all the alternate pins will be in place by Tee Off on Sunday. We won't be using the new pins on Saturday (Rec and Int). Its possible only some of the pins will be used or maybe all, I just don't know yet. I don't see a competetive edge because if all goes to plan the pins won't even be in until Saturday, October 31. They need to cure for a couple of days (Monday? November 2nd). The park also closes during the week on November 1st so access will be limited and I know we won't be moving baskets around until later in the week. I really don't like using holes that haven't been played before during a tourney but they are well laid out and easy to find. For these reasons I doubt anyone will get to play the holes until Sunday at the earliest so you guys could be the first. We will do our best to post the new pin positions for review on the Discussion board in the Affiliate Clubs section. If anyone has any other concerns please let me know and I will try to address them. I promise all of you to make this as fair and fun tournament for all players as I can.

The park will be open on Friday for play for tourney players for free (very cool) just please check in at the office. Please watch the speed limit as you enter the park as the Sheriff will be watching.

Please pre-register if you can.

Thanks!

John Roy
TD 12th Annual Fall Colors

It doesn't matter to me where the pins are. What is practice? Throw the shot when it's your turn and don't stress over it in advance or after the hole is complete.

after the hole is complete.[/QUOTE]

guilty as charged!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy:
Like John said, no competitive advantage as the alt. pin positions won't be played until Tues. Nov. 3 at the earliest (and that's only if someone gets the keys and moves them; I will be out of town Nov. 1-6). Perhaps those of us who have worked on clearing and installation would have some advantage, but that's a small percentage of the field (and you know I'm not competing!) In reality, perhaps the baskets can be moved after the Am rounds are over on Sat. and a casual round can be played. In any event, I will be there Sun. and will personally caddy for you (if you like) and see to it that you and your group know exactly where the baskets are for the alt. pin round. I will also be willing to give early morning tours to any who desire. John mentioned a map to me this afternoon, which is a good idea.

In any event, I know that the tournament staff, of which I am a part, is committed to making sure everyone knows where these new pin positions are located.

And though there is usually no OB or mandatories at NQ, there will be OB on Hole #1 Alt. (the asphalt!) and a mando on Hole #2 Alt.

I Look forward to seeing this year's tourney!

Mike
I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining. Looking forward to the new pins. I am now planing on taking a half day the Friday before. All of you at Newport News DGC are as fair and hard working as any Disc Golf Club.

Mike
I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining. Looking forward to the new pins. I am now planing on taking a half day the Friday before. All of you at Newport News DGC are as fair and hard working as any Disc Golf Club.

I didn't think you were complaining Jimmy. You are always polite and never whine.

Strangely enough, you will probably get to play the new pin positions before I do!

I didn't think you were complaining Jimmy. You are always polite and never whine.

Strangely enough, you will probably get to play the new pin positions before I do!

Polite and never whine?

We are talking about the same Jimmy, right? LOL

All the cutting has been completed. Now we need to clean up the mess! Sat. is going to be rain, but Sunday looks good.

Maybe a work day Sunday?

If you want familiarize yourself with the new basket locations, here is a preview of what I will be adding to our affiliate thread. Distances will be within a few feet. I will keep adding each hole as I get done with them.

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Polite and never whine?

We are talking about the same Jimmy, right? LOL

C-on John! Be nice!
I do have to admit the Hvnafit tag has always fit my personality. It has gotten better but is still there to a point. I guess I am getting older and am trying to appreciate the game more! Who knows how many years I have left to play. getting up in the mornings is more important at this age!

New***54 Player Limit***New
Registration closes Thursday November 19th at 11:59 PM, even if the field is not full.
Walk up registrations will not be accepted
No refunds after registration closes.
ALL players MUST check in by 8:00 AM
Current Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9198)

Thanks to the following:
Brown Sponsor - Everybody
Orange Sponsor - Erik Smith
Green Sponsor - Everybody
Blackberry Sponsor- NoVa Disc Golf

Hi everybody! The Timber Ridge Open is barely a month away. Thanks to Jeff Peters for TDing the TRO this year and Daniel Eubank for running the Golden Ticket series. I'll be running the Battle of the Blue Ridge, which is our region's most prestigious team disc golf event.

This year the TRO and BBR, will be on the same day, November 28th! We will tee off the TRO at 9:00 to get all of this disc golf in one day.

The next day is the Blue Ridge Invitational which will showcase the winners of the Golden Ticket events. Come on out on Sunday and watch some top-class disc golf. The BRI will be two rounds at Falling Creek Park and tee off at 10:00.

Here is a cut-and-paste of the flyer at the bottom of this e-mail.

I have a feeling that the TRO may come close to filling this year. You will likely want to pre-register to play in the first PDGA at the farm in over 15 months!!! Not to mention getting together a team in the morning and trying to qualify for the BBR!

I can't wait, and Timber Ridge will be in top condition!

I've updated PiedmontDGC.org, but keep checking back for updates.

VW





The Piedmont Disc Golf Club presents the 4th Annual


Timber Ridge Open

Disc golf tournament at Timber Ridge near Bedford, VA
PDGA sanctioned C Tier Event Sunday November 28, 2009
Part of the Old Dominion Disc Series and a Golden Ticket event



� Registration/Check-in: 7:30-8:30, Tee Time 9:00, two rounds of 18 holes
Pre-registration strongly suggested. Field Limit 90. All pre-registered players must sign in.

� Open, Open Ladies, Masters, GM $40, All Am and junior divisions $30
All Ams and Juniors will receive a Discraft full-color Buzz with the GT 2009 stamp

� Players not current PDGA members must add $10 to entry fee. (juniors exempt)


Pre-registration/Info:

Vince Whorley 2758 Timber Ridge Rd., Bedford, VA 24523
(434) 238-7146 [email protected]
PayPal accepted (please add $2)



Timber Ridge is a private disc golf course near Bedford, VA. It is played on a working cattle farm. Please wear appropriate footwear and bring extra towels. Also, please pack your lunch.

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Battle of the Blue Ridge

Fourth annual team disc golf tournament

Timber Ridge, Bedford November 28, 2009



Teams of five players must create a team name, choose a captain, and register before the Timber Ridge Open. $10 per player. Ladies will play from the red tees. Men will play from the yellow tees. Individual Scores from the TRO will constitute the team-total, which will qualify teams for the BBR playoffs. The four teams with the lowest team-totals will make the semi-finals and teams will be seeded accordingly. The semi-finals will tee off immediately after the TRO awards ceremony. The top two teams will be paid out.



Ties for team seeding will be broken by lowest individual score. Each playoff team will be seeded by the individual morning scores of the the five players. Ties for individual seeding will be broken by the Zadereky Rule (reverse alphabetical order). The playoffs will be nine holes of singles play between teams. Team seeded 1 will play Team 4. Team 2 will play Team 3. Like individuals seeds will play against each other in match-play format (hole-by-hole scoring). For example, Team 1�s seed 1 will play Team 4�s seed 1. Starting holes will be randomly drawn. There will be no ties: if competitors are tied after nine holes then they will have a sudden-death playoff. Semifinal teams winning three or more of their matches will play against each other in the finals. It will be nine holes of match-play again, with ties after nine holes being broken by sudden-death playoff.

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Golden Ticket 2009

The Golden Ticket series is comprised of five PDGA tournaments and culminates at the Blue Ridge Invitational at Falling Creek Park in Bedford on November 29th.

There are five divisions this year�Open, Masters, Ladies, Advanced, and Intermediate. The winner of each of these divisions at each tournament earns a Golden Ticket invitation to the prestigious BRI. If the winner of the division has already earned a Golden Ticket, then the invitation will be passed down to the second place finisher. Ties will be broken in a sudden death playoff. Players may not decline the invitation and pass it on to the next highest finisher.

Prizes at the BRI will be proportional: The Open division will receive two shares of the prize pool, Ladies, Masters, and Advanced will have one share, while the Intermediate division will receive a half of a share. Two dollars come out of each entry at the five PDGA events. A portion of unclaimed Ace Pots will go to the BRI prize pool.

June 28�Randolph Open, Dublin

July 19�Sontag Open, Rocky Mount

August 9�Blue Ridge Open, Christiansburg

September 19,20--Elk Creek Classic, Appomattox

November 28�Timber Ridge Open, Bedford

November 29�Blue Ridge Invitational, Bedford

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For more info

[email protected] or PiedmontDGC.org

Thanks to the sponsors of the Timber Ridge Open and Golden Ticket: Innova and Play-It-Again Sports

I love it when packages come in from Innova. Especially these!!!!!!!!

12th Annual Fall Colors CFR -- Star Ontario Rocs (all 180's)

ONLY 25 MADE.... We would like to offer these Limited Edition ROC's as sponshorship for our tournament this year. This will help NNDGC recover some of our cost to install the new pins at New Quarter Park along with other course improvements. We believe when you see New Quarter, you will appreciate the efforts put in by our dedicated local players. So, come see, play, and walk in mowed grass and it will make this disc worth the money.

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Sponsorship Disc $25.00 each.

We can ship with only the actual cost of shipping added.

E/mail me (Tim Dempsey) or Contact John Roy if interested.

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Absolutely beautiful work Tim. I want a whole set of 18 discs with the new maps! Just kidding. That would be cool though.

I do want one of those fund raisers though. I will get up with you tomorrow hopefully.

Coming to play the new course Friday.............LOL

Coming to play the new course Friday.............LOL

Jimmy - The new collars won't be in until Sat. 98% of the clearing has been completed though, so you'll be able to see what it will be.

I know for sure that some of the new positions will be playable, but there is a lot of debris to be cleaned up before the tournament. The coolest ones, 4, 5, 10, and 18 will certainly be ready.

take your time Mike. We can always play them in the December tournament.

Chris,

Now that you mention it, we'll plan a December event, and your invited.
We'll change up the format so you won't play the same layout as Fall Colors.

AS A MATTER OF FACT ------ EVERYBODY IS INVITED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

. The coolest ones, 4, 5, 10, and 18 will certainly be ready.[/QUOTE]



Aww Shucks!!!!!!! 4 and 10 are birdie holes and are 2 of my favorites! 18???? How much longer will that hole be? 5 I never liked. Shaped like a horseshoe. so a new position will be welcomed there.


Mike
The course is awesome!!!! Whatever you and the club decide to do will only enhance the course more! Looking forward to being the on the 8th.

Thanks Jimmy.

I'm fairly certain that baskets will be in A position for first round, so you can still have those birdies! Hole 5 with the alt. pin is shaped somewhat like a boomerang as opposed to a horseshoe. I haven't measured 18, but my guess is that it is maybe 50 feet longer and more protected than A position.

Maps have been added up to hole 13 -- link will take you to our affiliate thread on this discussion board

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=32693


Hole 18 to new pin -- short tee -- 796 (127 ft longer)
................................. long tee --- 931

distance within a few feet (subject to change slightly at time of collar installation)

Maps have been added up to hole 13 -- link will take you to our affiliate thread on this discussion board

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=32693


Hole 18 to new pin -- short tee -- 796 (127 ft longer)
................................. long tee --- 931

distance within a few feet (subject to change slightly at time of collar installation)

50 feet vs. 127 feet. Don't ever trust me to guess a distance accurately :)

All 18 hole maps with new pin locations posted -- click link

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=32693

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Just wanted to give you a few reasons to come out and play this week in case you are on the fence.

First of all the course is looking better than ever. There are mowed fairways, new pin positions, new walkways, contests, prizes and lunch provided for all players, there is also discounts for anyone who plays both days. The weather looks good right now and did I say the course looks GREAT!

The new pins aren't too intimidating and a couple are actually shorter. The new fairways are clear and the hard work by the club is shown on nearly every hole. I don't know how to describe it. Is the course harder than say the Sunnyside? Probably not. Are the long pins harder than Loriella long? No way. Is it as beautiful as Hawk Hollow? No. But it has its own beauty maybe like a cute sister.

But it is up to you to decide. The course is awesome on many levels and we at NNDGC would like you to come share the love of the game at our home. I know if you come out and play you won't be disappointed.

If anyone can get up with Dee Profitt, could you please have her contact me? My number is on the flyer.

Wendy, you got your ears on?

Thanks!

10-4. She is supposed to be calling you today. :)

I love it when packages come in from Innova. Especially these!!!!!!!!

12th Annual Fall Colors CFR -- Star Ontario Rocs (all 180's)

ONLY 25 MADE.... We would like to offer these Limited Edition ROC's as sponshorship for our tournament this year. This will help NNDGC recover some of our cost to install the new pins at New Quarter Park along with other course improvements. We believe when you see New Quarter, you will appreciate the efforts put in by our dedicated local players. So, come see, play, and walk in mowed grass and it will make this disc worth the money.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/54/l_92248c73ff424e4ca4c6f346bbb329e5.jpg

Sponsorship Disc $25.00 each.

We can ship with only the actual cost of shipping added.

E/mail me (Tim Dempsey) or Contact John Roy if interested.

Only 4 left right now !!!

Send me an e-mail or contact me if you want one.

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Format is set !

Saturday- Rd. 1- All Players- White to Short
Rd. 2- All Rec / Jrs. / All Ladies- White to Short
Int Men- Blue to Short

Pins moved Saturday night

Sunday- Rd. 1- All players- White to Long
Rd. 2- Open / Masters / GM / Adv- Blue to Long
All Ladies- White to Long

Be ready for some great Disc Golf !!!

I guess that means we play the new baskets all day (Sunday)!? All so means that when we come down Friday the course will be set in the regular pin positions. Birdies will be hard to come by unless you can throw 450 or 500 feet...............lol! Expecting it to be a nice day and play some golf!

I guess that means we play the new baskets all day (Sunday)!? All so means that when we come down Friday the course will be set in the regular pin positions. Birdies will be hard to come by unless you can throw 450 or 500 feet...............lol! Expecting it to be a nice day and play some golf!


I'm more excited about going to Williamsburg on Friday than Sunday. Friday is my grandmother's 95th birthday and i'm going to see her.

Format is set !

Saturday- Rd. 1- All Players- White to Short
Rd. 2- All Rec / Jrs. / All Ladies- White to Short
Int Men- Blue to Short

Pins moved Saturday night

Sunday- Rd. 1- All players- White to Long
Rd. 2- Open / Masters / GM / Adv- Blue to Long
All Ladies- White to Long

Be ready for some great Disc Golf !!!

Things are coming together quite nicely. The player packs are ready. The course is great and the weather will be as good as can be expected for November. Chris, Happy Birthday to Grams. They are very special people indeed. Hope she is well and happy.

Paypal for the Saturday Tourney will be open until Friday night and till Saturday for the Sunday event. If anyone has any special needs and needs help in general, please let me know. We'll try to help. There are a lot of people calling and hoping to get in for both days and all I can say is get there early to sign up. I doubt we will fill, but I would like to have that problem.

I also want to thank a few people ahead of time for all the hard work they have done. They must not go unnoticed. First of all, Tim Dempsey. This guy has really stepped it up. He did the artwork, mowed the course, ordered discs, pulled trees, built stairs, WOW! Amazing. I don't want you to shake his hand, he's getting a hug. Great job Tim and Thank You Brother. Molly Nealer the boss at the park has been overwhelmingly supportive in all the work at NQ and none of the improvements would be possible without her. Hugs for Molly as well! Mike August has done a fine job of cutting trees and planting posts and working hard to get this course ready. Thanks Mike. Then there are the usual suspects, Otis, Bonday, Adam, Dave, Tony, JP, Jeff Craig and of course the Hammer.

Thanks to their hard work this will be a very special event for all of you. Please come out and enjoy it with us.

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Did it twice

Please find the Lake Reidsville Open Thread if you would like to play in a B Tier with $800 added cash to pro field that is 20 mins. south of Danville, VA on Nov. 14th and 15th. We need some more Pro Masters. Some Virginians are already registered and would love to have some more!

Tyson

Check these videos out....

Hot Pepper Eating Contest!!

Rounds 1 thru 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb42GILizVw

Rounds 5 & 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f20RWj6hTQ

Round 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEE_2a_spM

Rounds 8 & 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=steZk2zh-ck

Round 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6gh7f5uHU

Round 11 - The final round http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Jt035hCBg

Check out these videos....

Hawk Hollow Open 2009 Final 9

Holes 3, 4, 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXL4wreIIUM

Holes 8, 9, 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJpSlA0O04

Holes 17, 18, 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42VjAueqX18

Great stuff Bob!!!
Enjoyed some of the golf action, but I think I like Round 11 the best!

Tim Dempsey!!!!!! You are the man. Great job with working on the course and new hole maps!.........As for the rest of the club!!!!!! Awesome job as always. New Quarter was a great place to play!!!!

As far as the new pin positions........ they all seem interesting. 10 I didn't like due to the poke-and-hope effect once you got into the woods. Although I am sure once it gets played in; it will shape up nicely. Good job guys! The new pin layout will be GREAT for tournaments but I feel it might be a little intimadating for the new player who has never played before.

Tim Dempsey!!!!!! You are the man. Great job with working on the course and new hole maps!.........As for the rest of the club!!!!!! Awesome job as always. New Quarter was a great place to play!!!!

As far as the new pin positions........ they all seem interesting. 10 I didn't like due to the poke-and-hope effect once you got into the woods. Although I am sure once it gets played in; it will shape up nicely. Good job guys! The new pin layout will be GREAT for tournaments but I feel it might be a little intimadating for the new player who has never played before.

10? That's the best one! Only poke and hope if you are far off the fairway. Like you say though, it will be better once it's played in. I haven't even played the new pins yet. I suspect a round with loppers in hand is in order so that face level branches and such can be eliminated.

Tim Dempsey did an incredible job overall, but especially on the maps and artwork.

Certainly the new pins are meant to attract the pro faction and people like me who don't care how many strokes they take. Beginners should play NN Park.

I think the baskets will be left in the new positions for a while so locals can learn them. We may switch to the 3rd position on 1 & 16 sometime soon as well.

Nice event this year. I was amazed we got it finished. Maybe we should consider having events at longer courses when the days are longer.

Scores?

Wow what a superb,beautiful course and fall weekend!!!
Thank you John Roy and all the volunteers. I captured just a little of the beauty with my cameras Friday and Saturday I'll post them tonight. The course tests your whole game, even on the open holes you need to shape shots and the wooded holes are all sweet too.

Scores are up!

Thanks to all 122 players that came out this past weekend. Thanks to the whole Keirn Clan for the great job providing a fresh hot lunch both days. Loved the homemade cookies. Thanks Rhonda for the work.

The weather was perfect and all the players on Sunday beat sunset barely. That wasn't easy for sure. Congrats to all our winners and please come back.

Thanks John

Who is Raquel Miskowski #16492? That's your Open Winner

Thanks Chris for taking the time to correct me. Again. I can always count on you buddy. Let me know when you get done verifying the rest of the list (s) so I may fix it.

Great job yesterday.

I just saw that it said Brian Skinner's player rating was 880. I knew that was wrong. I never looked at any others except for mine. John, I am here to help you anytime you need it.

it says hysell's rating is up to 958- obviously incorrect there too.

you think that's too high? It will be in the mid to upper 960's after the next update.

You go Chris!

Anyone know why a tournament would use the 40% pay scale vs the recommended 45%, especially with added cash? Just wandering.

New Quarter Slide show (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=178&pid=8732&slideshow=5000)


Photo Album (http://www.sharkysshots.com/thumbnails.php?album=178)

Enjoy the Sharky (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=178&pos=14) shots!

OK - here it is:

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Place: Loriella Park, Fredericksburg, VA
Date: Saturday December 12, 2009

Time:
Players meeting 0930
First tee 0945
Second tee TBD

Cost
Pros: $25 plus 2 cans of food
Ams: $15 plus 2 cans of food

$5 from each entry fee will be donated to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Mulligans & Anti-Mulligans
$2 each or 3 for $5 (Any combination, however maximum of 3 can be purchased)

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. (Last year's winner - John Biscoe) Contact Jeff Shattuck ([email protected]) if you plan to bring chili. All participants will be able to vote for their favorite. Donations will be accepted for the chili and proceeds will go to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank.

Last year we collected $500 and 30 pounds of food (from what I remember.....)

Tim Dempsey - I downloaded inkscape - when you get a chance please send me the New Quarter file(s). Thanks!!!! [email protected]

Anyone know why a tournament would use the 40% pay scale vs the recommended 45%, especially with added cash? Just wandering.


Because we can. Which scale do you use in the PDGA events that you run? I know when I run an event nothing is up for debate or criticism. I will do what I want.

Thanks Jimmy and everybody else for their appreciation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have spent a lot of time at New Quarter and I know what a beautiful place
that it is. It doesn't matter what time of day your there. It's always a great
place to play. I may have spent a lot time mowing but I always make time to play. There are great courses in Virginia and I believe New Quarter makes the cut as one those top courses in the state. I am fortunate to have this course near me.
York County and specifically Molly Nealer deserves credit for allowing our club
to help maintain the course and help make improvements. They have always treated our club and disc golfers very well. If it wasn't for their cooperation, we would have been giving out bug spray in our player's packs.
Thank you to the few that were able to get one of the sponsorship discs. I hope that I can create designs that are worthy of wall hanger status.
The best part of the weekend was being able to cash and accept it.
It makes it official --- Open Master.

Anyone know why a tournament would use the 40% pay scale vs the recommended 45%, especially with added cash? Just wandering.

How far?

off course

Thanks to the following:

Blackberry Sponsor; NoVa Disc Golf
Big Daddy Sponsor; Bud Hearne ($100 to the event plus $10 to the Ace Pot and a CTP)
Silver Sponsor; Currently registered (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9198) Pro�s are almost covered
Red Sponsor; Currently registered Am�s are almost covered
Green Sponsor; Fairfax County Greens Fees are 15% of the purse
Orange Sponsors; Lewis Graninger, Erik Smith and Patty Walk.
Women�s Sponsor; NoVa Disc Golf is supplying the Trophy
Brown and Yellow Sponsors; Tony Ellis, Alex Moffett, Pat Mullins, Ron Turner, JG Sparrow, Patty Walk and everybody else
Sorry if I missed anyone...

Tournament Course Record Purse- Current balance is: $33
Ace Pot - Current balance is: $74

CTP Sponsors
Revolution Disc Golf: 4 - 1080 Radius 1.1�s
Bud Hearne: Virginia States "Cardinal Stamp" Cobra signed by
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Virginia%20States/BigDaddySponsor.jpg
"Big Daddy� Dave Griffin 1956~2009

Anyone know why a tournament would use the 40% pay scale vs the recommended 45%, especially with added cash? Just wandering.

First of all I want to congradulate all the winners at the 12th Annual Fall Colors, there were some serious battles going on in respective divisions and none more so than Open. The difference from 1st to 8th was only six strokes overall. I know some people that may be a little disappointed with the payout but I assure you I met and exceeded the "recommended" standard set by the PDGA sanctioning agreement of 40% minimum. The decision to pay only the top three players was totally my call. If I'd have paid down 4, that would have been half the field and I didn't think that that was the best thing. I took the "4th Place" cash and gave it to the winners instead. Maybe not the most popular route but one I'm OK with. There was no malice intended to any player. The payout was posted before the final round and everyone knew what they had to do. If you look at our payout history, on average we pay larger but not as deep payouts for Open Divisions and deeper and more payout on the AM side. I've tried different scenarios to get more Open players to come out, one day events instead of two, seperating the AM's to another venue, improving the course, etc. and still Open is the smallest division. So this time I increased the payout to the top finishers, maybe that will work.

Regardless, I hope this issue won't keep anyone from coming out. We really do try to make this fun for everyone and I appreciate the support.

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. (Last year's winner - John Biscoe)

that's 2 time defending chili champ... AND defending dg champ (thanks to nailing kilby with the anti-mulligan with a few holes to play)- no respect i tell you... :)

I will bring vegan runner-up chili this year :(, along with many condiments for all to enjoy :).

Biscoe, any charity bounty this year for folks scoring lower than thou? Since nobody did it last year, you should have some donation $$ burning a hole in your pocket.

get your ant-mulligans now, I'll bring plenty of backups:)

anti-mulligians... I can't type, spell, or putt.

Is the odds website up, or is there a way to check the current standings?

The Fall Colors payout was fat at the top I just wish some of the wealth was spread out to the middle of the field it would not have helped me but I think rewarding deep into the field encourages bottom feeders and that's a good thing. OK jump on me now.

The Fall Colors payout was fat at the top I just wish some of the wealth was spread out to the middle of the field it would not have helped me but I think rewarding deep into the field encourages bottom feeders and that's a good thing. OK jump on me now.


Sharky, was this in reference to Saturday's intermediate payout? Did you prevent some deserving intermediate from getting a disc?

Actually I was ranting about Sunday's payout but you make a good point. I do understand that in higher tiered events the payout % is supposed to go down but I don't have to agree with it so every once in a while I lash out.

I really didn't have anything to say. I only responded because you asked for it. Just like Brandon's post. I use the 45% payout.

Is the odds website up, or is there a way to check the current standings?

mbonday at mindspring dot com

I have them done I will post them tonight

Is there any sanctioned events in va this December? Pohick?

pohick as far as i know.

1 Britt Derek 134
2 Smith Erik 128.5
3 Skinner Brian 127
4 Kilby Brandon 124.5
5 Gangloff Craig 104.5
6 Krahn Nathan 101
7 Hasnain Naved 99.5
8 Schweberger Brian 97
9 Todd Hunter 94.5
10 Moser Mike 81
11 Johansen Michael 77
12 Horne Tyler 71
13 Mangus Chris 70.5
14 Kim Tom 64
15 Gawler Bryan 63
16 Hammock Brad 62
16 Schick Brad 62
18 Dollar Matt 58
19 Lugo Ryan 57
20 Bradway John 56
21 Jernigan Justin 55
22 Mcree Brian 52.5
23 Themm Bill 52.5
24 Jones Ryan 51
25 Frederick Devin 50.5
25 Liddell Ian 50.5
25 Makarovich Jason 50.5
28 Conrad James 50
28 Haynes Tim 50
30 Hofmann Mike 48.5
31 Bryant Jeb 46
32 Vanderslice Adam 45
33 Light Blane 43.5
34 Madore Justin 42
35 Gallops Terry 40
35 Mcnutt Gaige 40
37 Pancoast Ross 37
37 Pawloski Konrad 37
39 Denhardt Phil 34
40 Moran Fred 34
41 Grolton Erik 33.5
41 Snapp Ricky 33.5
43 Lemcke Tyler 32
44 Schmalfield Jack 30
45 Miller Stephen 29
46 Micah Moon 28.5
46 Pierce Jonathan 28.5
48 Schneider Nick 28.5
49 Matlack Jonathan 26.5
50 Mudd Jerry 25.5
51 Rice Ryan 23.5
52 Braud Steve 22.5
52 Clark Kevin 22.5
52 Harth Scott 22.5
55 Murphy John 20.5
56 Whorley Vince 20
57 Ellis Tony 19.5
58 Mayben Quentin 19
59 Burkett Sean 17
59 Osborne O.P. 17
59 Woods Dwight 17
62 Pritchard Jesse 15.5
63 Bennett Geoff 14
63 Ortman Rusty 14
63 Smith Ryan 14
63 Smith Allen 14
63 Velazquez Sam 14
68 Turner Ron 12
69 Devito Rene 11.5
70 Mullins Pat 11
71 Rauch Jordan 10.5
72 French Chris 10
72 Long Ben 10
72 Smith Allen 10
75 Foreman Travis 9.5
76 Knapp Nick 9
77 Palmer Keith 8.5
78 Kramer Jerry 8
79 Faison Scott 7
79 Myers Michael 7
79 Van Dussen Ben 7
82 Davis Jason 6
83 Winnnington Walt 5.5
84 Smith Patrick 5
85 Broadwell William 4
85 Poole Kurt 4
87 Callendar Robert 3
87 Eubank Daniel 3
87 Hoch Craig 3
87 Staton David 3
91 Banks Jesse 2.5
91 Stowell Dave 2.5
93 Brown Chris 2
93 Callender Rob 2
93 Clifton Tim 2
93 Noble Bobby 2
97 Grubb Jason 1
97 Haywood Joesph 1
97 Holmgrem Charlie 1
97 Marhefka Eric 1
97 Myers Toad 1

1 Weidle Kristen 41
2 Boyce Kelly 16
3 Shooner Liz 13
4 Carr Liz 13
5 Dee Colleen 10
6 Sonnheim Becky 10
7 Oakley Erin 8
8 DeMar Sarah 8
9 Moser Amy 6
10 Hofman Mandi 5
11 Lugo Lindsey 5
12 Smith Charis 3
13 Poole Alanna 2

1 Keirn Jeff 122
2 Hysell Chris 114.5
3 Cannon Bob 103
4 Stewart Robzilla 82
5 Barr Tim 74
6 Camden James 73
7 Pelchat Joe 66.5
7 Washburn Kelly 66.5
9 Gregory John 60
10 Bonday Michael 59
11 Ellis Tony 56.5
12 Stanley Jimmy 54
13 Tortone Rick 53
14 Myers Jim 51
15 Shack AL 47
16 Henry Glenn 45
17 Leonard Larry 43
18 Schoettle Marc 41.5
19 Jewell Steve 40.5
20 Biscoe John 40
21 Coffin Tom 38
22 Billig Robin 37
23 Zadareky Ted 32.5
24 Johnson Keith 32
25 Brogan Todd 31.5
25 Tamoria Romeo 31.5
27 Morgan Linc 29
28 Burroughs David 28.5
29 Foster Ed 28
30 Becker Dan 26.5
31 Conrad Jim 24
32 Boyce Mark 23.5
33 Austin Michael 22
34 Kardash Paul 21.5
35 Martinez Robert 18.5
36 Howard Carlton 18
37 Wharton Paul 17
38 Smith Robert 16.5
39 Johnson Pete 16
39 Simpson Robert 16
41 Stewart Michael 14
42 Lewis Will 13.5
43 Dempsey Tim 13
43 Hall Gary 13
43 Petro Mike 13
46 Lockamy Pete 12.5
47 Parrish Vegan Ray 11.5
48 Thompson John 11
49 Smith Robert 10.5
50 Fristoe Randy 7
50 Hoeppner Mitch 7
50 Vance David 7
53 Anderson Chris 6
54 Roy John 6
55 Corrick Hawk 5
55 Ford Chas 5
57 Johnson Ken 3
57 Losh Tony Tlo 3
59 Gotcher Jerry 2.5
60 White Eric 2
61 Johnson Don 1.5
61 Stanton Jack 1.5
63 Johnson Ken 1
63 Myers Rich 1

1 Lewis Will 79
2 Henry Glenn 46
3 Shattuck Jeff 44
4 Graninger A. Lewis 38.5
5 Furlong Landon 31
6 Roy John 24
7 Vigil Billy Bob 23.5
7 Severe Bobby 23.5
9 Bowman Scott 22
10 Conrad Jim 21
11 Sherwood Mark 20.5
12 Werner Doug 18
13 Thessen Dan 13
13 Rogers Ray 13
15 Plotky John 11.5
16 Edwards Tom 11
17 Wharton Chuck 8.5
18 Clark Keith 6
18 Smith Brady 6
20 Frederick Brian 4
21 Bryan Bob 3
21 Carrington Clark 3
21 Havle Bob 3
24 Herman Bobby 2
24 Alarcon Dave 2
26 Moliterno Peter 1

1 French Chris 153.83
2 Jones Carl 141.5
3 Coffin Tom 105.5
4 Woods Dwight 91
5 Sward Brian 88.5
6 Tyree Jonathon 73
7 Lassiter Dan 69
8 Gleason Kevin 68.33
8 Kilby Brandon 68.33
10 Shenk John 66
11 Pawlosky Konrad 56.5
12 Stowell Dave 55.5
13 Rivera Chase 54
14 Hoffman Dan 53.5
15 Dempsey Tim 53
16 Eubank Daniel 52.5
16 Hall Chad 52.5
18 Eason James 52
19 Pritchard Jesse 51.5
20 Keatts Matt 51
21 Baldwin Jeff 47
22 Eberly Keith 46.5
23 Ziembiec Timothy 45.5
24 Menucci Matt 45
25 Leblanc KC 44.5
25 Shovlain Ryan 44.5
27 Carroll Alex 44
28 Rice Matthew 42
29 Lemcke Logan 40
30 Staton David 37
31 Farrel Ryan 36.5
32 Breeden Brian 36
32 Burton Steve 36
32 Johnson Shawn 36
35 Peterson Kevin 34
36 Taft Josh 33.5
37 Barboza Keith 32
38 Kuntz James 29.5
39 Collins Chad 29
39 Kuller Max 29
41 Boggs Brian 26
41 Riley Steve 26
43 Gerencser Ian 25
43 Lescalleet Brad 25
45 Clifton Tim 23.5
46 Abrams Joesph 23
46 Daneman Trevor 23
46 White Danny 23
49 Finch Julian 22.5
50 Mann Tyler 22
50 Melton Zachary 22
52 Ma Jeff 21.5
53 Collini MIke 21
53 Foreman Travis 21
53 Smith Tyler 21
53 Uhl Evan 21
57 Shattuck Jeff 20.5
58 Miller Daryll 20
59 Hughes Joshua 19.5
60 Gyori Pete 18
61 Callender Rob 17
61 Matthews Mike 17
61 Palmer Keith 17
64 Smith Ryan 16.5
65 Hollister Palmer 16
65 Lockamy Pete 16
65 Mattingly Ron 16
65 Newton Kyle 16
69 Johnston Aaron 15.5
69 Marhefka Eric 15.5
71 Todd Stuart 15
72 Colasanto Tony 13.5
73 Bailey Brandon 12.5
74 Behrens Dylan 12
74 Lynch Shane 12
76 Kramer Jerry 11.5
77 Faunce Chris 11
77 Radcliffe Brian 11
77 Zeruto Chris 11
80 Walls David 8.5
81 Galvan Eric 8
81 Hair Jason 8
81 Schmidt Steven 8
81 Winnington Walt 8
85 Mack David 7.5
86 Fauth Andrew 7
86 Herndon Scott 7
88 Williams Chris 7
89 Kennon Robby 6.5
90 Broadwell William 6
90 Espinoza Danny 6
90 Governski Sam 6
90 Russell Jeff 6
94 MacDonald Ryan 5.5
95 Croushorn Mark 5
95 Haywood Joesph 5
95 Noble Bobby 5
95 Peyton Mike 5
95 Smith Ron 5
100 Cram Buck 4
100 Helmick Brian 4
100 Lemcke Keegan 4
100 Mcintyre Jeff 4
100 Traul Howard 4
105 Spurgeon Brad 3
106 Hamilton Chris 2.5
107 Hackett Aaron 2
107 Kabacinski Joe 2
109 Coloton Mike 1.5
110 Eck Donald 1
110 Eshelman Erik 1
110 Hawks Steve 1
110 Malnar Shiloh 1
110 McBride James 1

1 Proffitt Carla Dee 62
2 Boettcher Wendy 45
3 Silverthorn Carol 23
4 Rosato Kristen 16
5 Shovlain Kim 13
6 Bartlet Sherry 10
7 Hoffman Sara 9
7 Walk Patricia 9
9 Parrish Sandahl 4
9 Sparrrow JG 4
11 Eberle Kristen 3
12 Mathews Tiffany 2
12 Bray Carly 2
14 Thessen Shelly 1

1 Michaels Dave 76.5
2 Dempsey Mick 47
3 Stell Kirk 40
4 Petro Michael 38
5 Merod Matthew 33.5
6 Wert Dave 31
7 Walsh Dwight 26.5
8 Webb Anthony 26
9 Fristoe Randy 24
10 Ward Wesley 23
11 Sherwood Mark 22.5
12 Dilahunty Shayne 22
12 Keighton Steve 22
14 Thessen Daniel 21
15 Bryan Bob 18.5
16 Williams Doug 18
17 Burbank George 16
18 Howell Jessie 12.5
19 Steele Steve 12
19 Wehrenberg David 12
21 Mathews Michael 11.5
21 Purcell Mike 11.5
23 Arensdorf Mark 11
23 Myers Dr Evil 11
25 Miller Daryll 10
26 Irwin Shane 9
27 Shelton Jerry 7
28 Keim Eric 6
29 Craig Jeff 5.5
30 Frazier 4
30 Martinez Robert 4
30 Todd Bere 4
33 Graves Rick 3
33 Hopt Paul 3
33 Roberts Greg 3
36 Beeson Brad 2.5
37 Vanzandt Alan 2
37 Wilson Mike 2
37 Williamson Rory 2
40 Dubendorfer Dubie 1
40 Fraley Mike 1
40 Gregory Ted 1

The Fall Colors payout was fat at the top I just wish some of the wealth was spread out to the middle of the field it would not have helped me but I think rewarding deep into the field encourages bottom feeders and that's a good thing. OK jump on me now.

BOTTOM FEEDERS!?! Is that the way everyone feels?! Players who enjoy competing and do their best but can not finish in the cash........ Bottom Feeders!?! That is a encouraging way to get players out to events!

The term bottom feeders has been around forever. Would you prefer "mullet" or "added cash"? You control what you are called by your actions. Last year I was added cash. I didn't learn any new skills. I improved my attitude and confidence and pulled my head out of my quantum singularity. Everyone can do that if i can.

i prefer mullet.

Scum

Rapidly approaching snailmail postmark vs. electronic payment timestamp cutoff.
Timely payment is the surest form of registration.
Checks should be postmarked ASAP.
Waiting on a call back from PDGA sign up or an updated email list (Normally recieved in the morning)
May be full already.

The term bottom feeders has been around forever. Would you prefer "mullet" or "added cash"? You control what you are called by your actions. Last year I was added cash. I didn't learn any new skills. I improved my attitude and confidence and pulled my head out of my quantum singularity. Everyone can do that if i can.

I now see why some never move up. To avoid Bottom Feeders or Scum or Mullet. Bagger is much nicer and some my take it as a complemtment.

Jimmy, you have been called much worse names.

Hysell I thought you were coming back from a shoulder injury and that's way you didn't play well the last year or so. Bottom feeders enhance the pro pot as well as the am's $ should also. Look at Duck golf, to me that's the way more events should be.

My excuses are endless. I once used an estimated 42 excuses in 18 holes. But yes, the injury and lack of confidence were related. Inability to perform shots will cause lack of confidence. I had to overcome that to get back into form. It's a work in progress. I should be back fully by 2012.

I should be back fully by 2012.

Just in time for the next injury/confidence crisis.:p

Jimmy, you have been called much worse names.

mostly by himself after the second or third bad shot... :)

Just in time for the next injury/confidence crisis.:p

I factored that into the equation

Bottom feeders enhance the pro pot as well as the am's $ should also. Look at Duck golf, to me that's the way more events should be.
Bottom feeders are committed players donating to the love of their life, but they're still watching.
Amateurs are enamoured with their dreams of cashing in on their current skillsets. They'll take the bait a few times and never return if the payout seems fishy.

Course events rise to "Supertour" status and fall to unfilled "C" tiers, then pheonix from the ashes... only time will tell...

mostly by himself after the second or third bad shot... :)

This trend has changed and is changing! I might actually be pleasent to play with one day!

fat chance

The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

Gangloff must play Timber Ridge to qualify.

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The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

Stewart, Camden, Henry, and Brogan must play Timber Ridge to qualify.

* Best 8 events.

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The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

Graninger and Roy must play Timber Ridge to qualify.

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The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

Coffin, Tyree, Shenk, Hoffman, Eubank, Hall, Eberly, and Leblanc must play Timber Ridge to qualify.

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The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

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The following players are qualified for the ODDS Championship:

Petro and Ward must play Timber Ridge to qualify.

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In classifying professional players, there are only two Open divisions:

Open Men
Open Women
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
Pro Senior Grandmasters


There is no such thing as Open Masters, Open Grandmasters, etc.

In classifying professional players, there are only two Open divisions:

Open Men
Open Women
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
Pro Senior Grandmasters


There is no such thing as Open Masters, Open Grandmasters, etc.

My bad. It has been corrected.

Event is FULL
with the following payments pending;
MA1 Jeff Ma 38842 914
MA1 Jerry Jerman Kramer 32461 934
MA1 Dillon Horst 32599 969
MM1 Doug Horst 37316 882
If the snail mails don't arrive in a timely manner, some spots may become available.

Waiting list is:
Nov13
4:51 PM Oliver Hope
5:40 PM Becky Sonheim
7:25 PM Pat Pitts
8:31 PM PA voicemail
10:19 PM Clemente III
Nov 14th
7:44 AM John Weaver

I discovered an error in the payment times and posted player registration list.
Chase Riviera paid at 1:16 PM on Nov. 13th. and Chris French paid at 4:23 PM the same date.
Chase will take the 54th spot.
Chris will be moved to first on the waiting list.
If no one drops, I will refund Chris' payment plus fees and a consolation mini or something.
Very sorry for the mistake.

For future events I will make the;
Snail mail and PayPal cut offs two weeks before the event and let the PDGA registration count down to the exact field limit.

Spotsy Winter League at Hawk Hollow:

Played holes 1 - 7, 11 - 14, D, E, H, 15 - 18

Bob Cannon 59
Brandon Kilby 62
John Biscoe 64
Chris French 64
David Stowell 64

Spotsy Disc Golf Club Championship:

Cannon - 1 Seed
Kilby - 2 Seed

Biscoe defeated French and Stowell in first playoff hole for 3 Seed
French defeated Stowell in third playoff hole for 4 Seed

Biscoe defeated Kilby on 7th hole of 9 hole match play
French defeated Cannon on 8th hole of 9 hole match play

Biscoe defeated French on 9th hole of match play!!

Congratulations Biscoe!!! 2009 Spotsy Disc Golf Club Champion

http://www.spotsydiscgolf.com/images/2009SDGCChamp.jpg

Good job, John! Congratulations : )

Congrats, Biscoe! Now get your arse to Timber Ridge!

hey bob, i didn't notice my name on the qualified list. please excuse my ignorance, i'm not up to snuff on the odds rules.

tim barr

Congrats Biscoe. In other non-PDGA tournament news Camden shot a 64 at the monthly in Powhatan. I think 2 others shot in the 60's.

hey bob, i didn't notice my name on the qualified list. please excuse my ignorance, i'm not up to snuff on the odds rules.

tim barr

It takes 6 ODDS events to qualify. I think you have only played in two. Va Open and BRO comes to mind.

Jerry,

You state,

"In classifying professional players, there are only two Open divisions:

Open Men
Open Women
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
Pro Senior Grandmasters

There is no such thing as Open Masters, Open Grandmasters, etc."

While this may be perceived as being 'gospel', I question your "allowing" a differentiation between genders and not between ages (or any other subgroup...of which gender just happens to be only one). What's special about gender (as a sub-set) opposed to any other? [Editors note: This surely will endear me with the girlfriend even more!]

Truly, there is only ONE open division...that which is open to ALL (regardless of age, gender, race, crede, religion, yada, yada, yada...).

Karl

2009 Pohick Bay Winter Fling-a-Thing
The Tradition Continues!

Pohick Bay Regional Park, Lorton, Virginia
PDGA Sanctioned C-Tier Event
2 Rounds of 24 holes
All Amateur and Junior Divisions: Saturday, December 5, 2009
All Pro Divisions: Sunday, December 6, 2009

All Pro Divisions: $40 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
All Advanced Divisions: $30 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
All Intermediate Divisons: $20 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
Juniors: $10

Registration opens at 8:00AM with a 9:30AM players meeting and 10:00AM tee off.
Preregistration is available online at the following link: https://discgolfer.com/home.php?cat=253

If you have any questions or problems, feel free to call David Henrickson at 540-428-2901!

Jerry,

You state,

"In classifying professional players, there are only two Open divisions:

Open Men
Open Women
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
Pro Senior Grandmasters

There is no such thing as Open Masters, Open Grandmasters, etc."

While this may be perceived as being 'gospel', I question your "allowing" a differentiation between genders and not between ages (or any other subgroup...of which gender just happens to be only one). What's special about gender (as a sub-set) opposed to any other? [Editors note: This surely will endear me with the girlfriend even more!]

Truly, there is only ONE open division...that which is open to ALL (regardless of age, gender, race, crede, religion, yada, yada, yada...).

Karl

I will admit that i tried to make an argument against Jerry's post but he was correct in accordance with the td reporting document for classifications. I agree with there being one Open division.

Chris,

I feel your pain. And I'm not picking on Jerry, but if the "TD paperwork" has it that way, then...

1. All y'all need to follow it...until
2. But as soon as can be done, change it so it's correct (may take just a WEE bit of time though, no?)

My initial post was just to point out a very small "flaw" that could be better'd. Whether or not anyone chooses to do something about this for the future, I don't know.

I'm just not crazy about situations where people seeing something that walks like a duck and talks like a duck, etc., and yet still think it's OK to name it a badger.
It's a duck!!

Karl
Ps: Unless it's a VERY cleverly disguised badger dressed in down ;)

Pat Mullins will be unable to attend so he is donating his $55 Entry, Ace and TCR fees to the Bluemont Mach V for hole 7 fund.

Chris French is IN
Oliver Hope is on deck

It takes 6 ODDS events to qualify. I think you have only played in two. Va Open and BRO comes to mind.

My understanding is that you need to play in at least half the events, that would be 5.

Overall point are for your best 8 events.

Tim - You have played the Va Open, HHO,and BRO.

thanks guys, just wondering. i am planning on playing at timber ridge thanksgiving weekend. also, my battle of the blue ridge team lost a player and we are looking for a virginia ringer. any takers?

Glad to hear you're putting a team together! Stay away from our Virginia players, though! ;)

I think if we field a team we have lost a player already. One of our guys wants to play Sunday but doesn't want to play Saturday to burn himself out. To be in the battle he needs to play in the tournament.

I think if we field a team we have lost a player already. One of our guys wants to play Sunday but doesn't want to play Saturday to burn himself out. To be in the battle he needs to play in the tournament.

didn't feel like looking back on this thread, so I just grabbed a quote from Vince on another site:

"This year the TRO and BBR, will be on the same day, November 28th! We will tee off the TRO at 9:00 to get all of this disc golf in one day.

The next day is the Blue Ridge Invitational which will showcase the winners of the Golden Ticket events. Come on out on Sunday and watch some top-class disc golf. The BRI will be two rounds at Falling Creek Park and tee off at 10:00. "

dump em all chris and play for us!

While this may be perceived as being 'gospel', I question your "allowing" a differentiation between genders and not between ages (or any other subgroup...of which gender just happens to be only one). What's special about gender (as a sub-set) opposed to any other? [Editors note: This surely will endear me with the girlfriend even more!]

Truly, there is only ONE open division...that which is open to ALL (regardless of age, gender, race, crede, religion, yada, yada, yada...).

Karl

While I don't understand Karl's post in its entirety, he is correct that there is only ONE open division. There is also only ONE open women division. Thus, I have revised my professional classifications from up-thread:

Open
Open Women
Pro Masters
Pro Masters Women
Pro Grandmasters
Pro Grandmasters Women
Pro Senior Grandmasters
Pro Senior Grandmasters Women
etc....

My point of the original post is that some people mistakenly refer to pro masters as "open" masters. Personally, I prefer the professional classifications found at the West Virginia Open:

Open
Old
Really Old
Babes

:)

i'm going to see the Richmond area's 9th disc golf course today

Note: this is not PDGA tournament info

Results (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9198) are up

Congratulations to:
Open- Ron Turner
Grandmasters - Lewis Graninger
Advanced - Jeremy DeGregorio
Advanced Women - Patty Walk
Advanced Masters - Michael Petro
Intermediate -John Weaver

Thanks to the sponsors and all who helped things run smoothly.

I'll post a better recap in a day or two.
Now I'm ready for another cold adult beverage and a long hot shower.

i'm going to see the Richmond area's 9th disc golf course today

Note: this is not PDGA tournament info

Oops my bad, 10 courses

I was looking at the suspended players list tonight and noticed a player that is suspended for 3 months beginning 11/16/09 for outstanding fees, whatever that means, played a tournament yesterday. What's the deal with that, someone else played while suspended and got 10 years suspension for that!

The Battle of the Blue Ridge is looking like it will be quite a clash this year. So far I've heard of teams from NOVA, Richmond/Blackstone, Blacksburg, Home, and Timbar's secret TN team. Hopefully, we'll have a team from Roanoke plus a few more. It's only $10 a person, put a five-person team together and go for it!

I was looking at the suspended players list tonight and noticed a player that is suspended for 3 months beginning 11/16/09 for outstanding fees, whatever that means, played Giles Wind up yesterday. What's the deal with that, someone else played while suspended and got 10 years suspension for that!

Did Tony finish 6th? I honestly think the td shouldn't have allowed him to play unless he had some info showing that it was being resolved.

What's the reg. for timber ridge looking like, I still need to sign up.

Everyone who played in the Maurertown Fly 2009 now have ratings as of today.

Has anyone heard anything about the current registration for Timber Ridge? Is it even close to filling?

Has anyone heard anything about the current registration for Timber Ridge? Is it even close to filling?

No.. but does anyone know how to get there?? We don't have anyone's phone number.

It's on 460 west just east of Bedford. Timber Ridge rd is on the right and heads towards the Peaks of Otter. The course is next to Vince's house on the right.

info is here

http://piedmontdgc.org/

No.. but does anyone know how to get there?? We don't have anyone's phone number.


Sherry check out www.elkcreekdgc.info or www.Piedmontdgc.org

Here is vince's email, [email protected] . I have played there, but cant remember exactly I know its near Bedford.

Good luck and yall have a good time, it is a great place to play some disc golf.

Wow, that was a FULL day of golf!!!

In the Timber Ridge Open, Dwight Woods won his first PDGA Open tourny. Hunter and I were tied for second. Dee Proffit won Adv Ladies. We had seven ladies competing! Jim Conrad won Masters. Chris French won Advanced. Steven Powers won Intermediate. Mark Arensdorf won Advanced Masters. Scores will hopefully be up tonight.

There were six teams registered for the Battle of the Blue Ridge. Two teams from Richmond and teams from NOVA, Blacksburg, Tennessee and the Home team. Blacksburg beat the 1 seed Home team 3-2 in the semifinals, with Jim Conrad beating Dwight on the second sudden-death playoff hole. "Big Orange" Tennessee beat NOVA. Big Orange beat Blacksburg in the finals 3-2, with Zach Melton parking hole 10 on the first sudden-death playoff hole in the moonlight! Awesome

Thanks to all who attended and all that helped pull these tournaments off!

The Blue Ridge Invitational will tee off this morning at Falling Creek Park in Bedford at 10:00.

REMINDER

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Place: Loriella Park, Fredericksburg, VA
Date: Saturday December 12, 2009

Time:
Players meeting 0930
First tee 0945
Second tee TBD

Cost
Pros: $25 plus 2 cans of food
Ams: $15 plus 2 cans of food

$5 from each entry fee will be donated to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Mulligans & Anti-Mulligans
$2 each or 3 for $5 (Any combination, however maximum of 3 can be purchased)

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. John Biscoe won the last two years. He also won the tournament last year. Contact Jeff Shattuck ([email protected]) if you plan to bring chili. All participants will be able to vote for their favorite. Donations will be accepted for the chili and proceeds will go to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank.

Last year we collected $500 and 30 pounds of food (from what I remember.....)

The Blue Ridge Invitational was played under beautiful weather today. I won the Open division barely, Jim Conrad won Masters, Dee Proffitt won Ladies, Zach Melton won Advanced, and Keith Gaor won Intermediate. Full results are at PiedmontDGC.org.

Results are up on PDGA.com for the Timber Ridge Open.

Results are up on PiedmontDGC.org for the Battle of the Blue Ridge team championship.

HUGE thanks to those who helped run these tournaments, especially Jeff Peters and Daniel Eubank. More thanks to all those who helped clean up Timber Ridge last week. The whole weekend was a blast! My arm is hanging and my body is rather sore.

Thanks to each and every person who attended!

The BRAWL starts in 13 days! Wohoooooo!!!!!

If I remember correctly.........there are only 3 divisions played in the BRAWL series (int, adv, open)???????

BRAWL -- Am, Open, Ladies, and sometimes Juniors.

I need a BRAWL travel buddy. Jimmy, do you want to be added cash?

I need a BRAWL travel buddy. Jimmy, do you want to be added cash?

Mullet called. Second!

I need a BRAWL travel buddy. Jimmy, do you want to be added cash?

with my sorry players rating.........917 (which has a lot to do with my brain waves and actions. All of which I want to put behind me so folks don't hate playing in my group!) I think I may play AM and shoot for the trophy!!!!!!

with my sorry players rating.........917 (which has a lot to do with my brain waves and actions. All of which I want to put behind me so folks don't hate playing in my group!) I think I may play AM and shoot for the trophy!!!!!!

You can't beat those baggers in that division.

Mullet called. Second!




Dan
Are you seconding Hysell's post and calling me a mullet? I expect this stuff ([email protected]#) from him but not from you!?!

Thanks!

I think he called you a bottom feeder

2009 Pohick Bay Winter Fling-a-Thing
The Tradition Continues!

Pohick Bay Regional Park, Lorton, Virginia
PDGA Sanctioned C-Tier Event
2 Rounds of 24 holes
All Amateur and Junior Divisions: Saturday, December 5, 2009
All Pro Divisions: Sunday, December 6, 2009

All Pro Divisions: $40 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
All Advanced Divisions: $30 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
All Intermediate Divisons: $20 (Add $10 IF NOT CURRENT)
Juniors: $10

Registration opens at 8:00AM with a 9:30AM players meeting and 10:00AM tee off.
Preregistration is available online at the following link: https://discgolfer.com/home.php?cat=253

If you have any questions or problems, feel free to call David Henrickson at 540-428-2901!

Dan
Are you seconding Hysell's post and calling me a mullet? I expect this stuff ([email protected]#) from him but not from you!?!

Thanks!

Jimmy --

I thought I got away with one : ) I had read the posts earlier in the thread and was just trying to push a button or two. Please forgive, I'll make it up to you with a beer or something at one of the BRAWL events!

Dan

I think he called you a bottom feeder

Casting aspersions at others in an attempt to inflate one's ego is a classic symptom of someone with serious self-image issues. :)

is thinking i'm a god a self image issue? That's how i feel today.

is thinking i'm a god a self image issue? That's how i feel today.

omg!

Jimmy --

I thought I got away with one : ) I had read the posts earlier in the thread and was just trying to push a button or two. Please forgive, I'll make it up to you with a beer or something at one of the BRAWL events!

Dan

I would rather have a stiff shot of good Ketucky bourbon (Jack Danials is not one of them.....lol)

Looking at my past performances in the Am division (includes 2 Super Tour wins aka "A" tiers) and many other wins; I have only become a bottom feeder/mullet playing Pro. At lease I moved up!!!! More than I can say for others! Although I have cashed 4 or 5 times playing Pro. It is my Hvnafit mentalley that has held me back............this I am going to change. The name will stay because I know I will still have that fit inside myself but not on the course. I feel now that I can control this.....not give up on a round because of a bad hole or give up on a tournament due to a bad 2 or 3 holes. I WILL cash again in the Pro division and WILL have some Pro wins in the year 2011! This is the year that I can play Grand (Grey) Masters!

Chris .............. YOU ARE A GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those who would like to pre-register for the Pohick Bay Winter-Fling-a-Thing for Saturday or Sunday, it will be available on the REVOLUTION site until 5:00pm this evening. Here's the link:

http://discgolfer.com/home.php?cat=253

Hope to see everyone at some point this weekend. And remember, double dipping is encouraged for those who qualify. Here's how it breaks down according to the PDGA Competition Manual:

(1) Pro Men and Women
<970 can play Advanced (MA1)
<935 can play Intermediate (MA2)
<935 can also play Advanced Master (MM1) if they are of Masters age:
<900 can play Recreational (MA3)
<900 can also play Advanced Grandmaster (MG1) if they are of Grandmasters age:
<850 can play Novice (MA4)

(2) Pro Women only
<850 can play Advanced Women (FW1)
<800 can play Intermediate Women (FW2)
<750 can play Recreational Women (FW3)

Players are awarded Amateur points for their performance but these points are not eligible for year-end awards or Worlds invitations.

Thanks,

-Dave

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Place: Loriella Park, Fredericksburg, VA
Date: Saturday December 12, 2009

Time:
Players meeting 0930
First tee 0945
Second tee TBD

Cost
Pros: $25 plus 2 cans of food
Ams: $15 plus 2 cans of food

$5 from each entry fee will be donated to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Mulligans & Anti-Mulligans
$2 each or 3 for $5 (Any combination, however maximum of 3 can be purchased)

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. John Biscoe won the last two years. He also won the tournament last year. Contact Jeff Shattuck ([email protected]) if you plan to bring chili. All participants will be able to vote for their favorite. Donations will be accepted for the chili and proceeds will go to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank. So far we have four competitors for the chili cook off: Ray Parrish, Rick Graves, Jeff Shattuck and two time weiner John Biscoe. Who will go home with the coveted trophy this year?

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Place: Loriella Park, Fredericksburg, VA
Date: Saturday December 12, 2009

Time:
Players meeting 0930
First tee 0945
Second tee TBD

Cost
Pros: $25 plus 2 cans of food
Ams: $15 plus 2 cans of food

$5 from each entry fee will be donated to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Mulligans & Anti-Mulligans
$2 each or 3 for $5 (Any combination, however maximum of 3 can be purchased)

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. John Biscoe won the last two years. He also won the tournament last year. Contact Jeff Shattuck ([email protected]) if you plan to bring chili. All participants will be able to vote for their favorite. Donations will be accepted for the chili and proceeds will go to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank. So far we have four competitors for the chili cook off: Ray Parrish, Rick Graves, Jeff Shattuck and two time weiner John Biscoe. Who will go home with the coveted trophy this year?

OOOps, make that two time wiener, John Biscoe, I mean two time winner, Bohn Jiscoe, oh you know what I mean.....

is thinking i'm a god a self image issue? That's how i feel today.
If you were thinking you felt like Sterculius then I would say yes there is a resemblance.

How about some Pohick results!

ron turner beat brandon bailey on the 6th playoff hole in open
ed foster beat mark boyce on the 3rd playoff hole in masters
will lewis won gm with a score that would've won open by 4 strokes- will's tenth win at pohick.

how many have you won there hysell?

biscoe just reminded me...forgot to mention it when i won...thanks will!

BRAWL VI kicks of at Randolph Park in Dublin, VA on Saturday! Come out and check out one of VA's newest courses. Check out FarmDiscGolf.net, the new home of disc golf in central and southwestern Virginia, home of the BRAWL, Golden Ticket, Blue Ridge Invitational, Battle of the Blue Ridge, Timber Ridge, Big Branch, course info, tournament course records, and other disc golf info.

The website is still under construction and everything that used to be on PiedmontDGC.org will be transferred shortly.

Congrats Ronnie and Will on Pohick! I think I'm going to ask Dave for a Revolution bag, Ronnie!

will lewis owns pohick.


roman god of feces, thats funny!


no offence, chris.


see you at randolph park sat.?

ron turner beat brandon bailey on the 6th playoff hole in open
ed foster beat mark boyce on the 3rd playoff hole in masters
will lewis won gm with a score that would've won open by 4 strokes- will's tenth win at pohick.

how many have you won there hysell?

I don't know the exact count but it's either 8 or 9 times. Will said he had only won in masters and grand. He should go pro.

Tim, I really want to play the BRAWL series this year but I have other events that coincide. I like to commit. I really don't think i'll be there but you may see me at some of the events.

Tim, I really want to play the BRAWL series this year but I have other events that coincide. I like to commit. I really don't think i'll be there but you may see me at some of the events.[/QUOTE]




May I ask what events coincide??? Winter Doubles? Super Doubles? I too would like to do the BRAWL series but find it hard to go 3 1/2 hours the mourning of a tournament and can not afford hotel stay here at Christmas. I to plan on playing in some.

none of them are more than 3 hours from my house. Hotels are cheap.

Chris-

What is up with Richmond Doubles? Usual weekend, yes? We are having a little soiree @ NQ on 12/20. Everyone is invited.

The info for the winter doubles can be found on iamwhois.com. It's not sanctioned so I don't clutter this site with info. It's always on the Saturday of NFL Championship weekend.

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Place: Loriella Park, Fredericksburg, VA
Date: Saturday December 12, 2009

Time:
Players meeting 0930
First tee 0945
Second tee TBD

Cost
Pros: $25 plus 2 cans of food
Ams: $15 plus 2 cans of food

$5 from each entry fee will be donated to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

Mulligans & Anti-Mulligans
$2 each or 3 for $5 (Any combination, however maximum of 3 can be purchased)

Chili Cook off
During lunch there will be a chili cook off. Donations will be accepted for the chili and proceeds will go to the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank.
Hope to see you there!

none of them are more than 3 hours from my house. Hotels are cheap.

As per map quest........they are over 3 hours.

youtube has videos of cows being abducted by aliens. Do you believe that too? Not everything on the internet is true.

youtube has videos of cows being abducted by aliens. Do you believe that too? Not everything on the internet is true.

I've seen that video...and that alien has the same build as Eric Smith. I'm not sure I would use the word "abducted."

It's funny when people don't like non sanctioned events mentioned, yet clutter the board with other random topics. What up with that? Can't we all just get along.

is your girl going to bring some chili saturday?

bring some chili

Sounds like a code phrase for something extremely dirty.

I'm gonna try to be in on submitting a chili entry
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about to post several tourney and other posts in a row here - bear with it

The �Maryland vs. Virginia Ice Bowl Battle�
You think you're going to take MY lunch money?
You and whose army!

http://www.novadiscgolf.com/docs/2010/MDvsVAlogo-s.gif

Seneca Creek ~ January 9, 2010
Giles Run Meadow ~ January 10, 2010
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What�s at STAKE?
Food Bank Contributions and Bragging Rights!
9:00am registration opens
9:45am player's meeting
10:00am round starts
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Format:
Seneca Creek � one round of 27, feasting between rounds
Giles Run � one round of 18 (long2long), and more feasting!
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All ages, sexes, and abilities are needed. We'll be competing:
MPO, MPM, MPG, MPS, MPL, MA1, MA2, MA3, MAM, FPO, FW1, FW2.
If these don't make sense, that means we need YOU.
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$ 40.00 TWO DAY TICKET
$ 5.00 to MD foodbank
$ 5.00 to VA foodbank
$ 10.00 to winning state foodbank
$ 20.00 to tee shirts and food

$ 25.00 ONE DAY TICKET
$ 5.00 to local state foodbank
$ 5.00 to winning state foodbank
$ 15.00 to tee shirts and food
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Optional additional payout pool
(pays 50% of the people that put in.)
$ 10.00 970 and up
$ 8.00 950 - 969
$ 6.00 930 - 949
$ 4.00 910 - 929
$ 2.00 <910
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Hawk Hollow Basket Fund - the goal is a new basket for HH by the VTI
$5 Ring of Fire @ Seneca
$5/1 or $10/3 CTP Challenge @ Giles
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Download flyer at:
http://www.novadiscgolf.com/docs/2010/MDvsVAicebowlflyer.pdf

http://www.novadiscgolf.com/docs/2010/PohickBay-logo.gif

2010 Super Pohick Ice Bowl
Benefit for the Capital Area Food Bank
Presented by NoVa Disc Golf on
Saturday, February 20, 2010
~ PDGA X-Tier Superclass ~

Women play for FREE!
Men; Entry Fee is $20
($10 entry fee + $10 donation for the Food Bank)
9:00am Registration
9:45am Players meeting
10:00am Tee Time

FORMAT: Two Divisions; Men and Women; Trophy Only.
The first round will be �Superclass� using PDGA approved
Superclass discs on the existing 18 hole Pohick Bay State
Park disc golf course layout. These scores will go towards
the individual PDGA Superclass Division ratings.

NoVa Disc Golf has 3 players of the top 5 Superclass players in the world!!!!!

The second round will be played with regular disc golf plastic.
It will be a �Super-Pohick 18�! 9 holes carved out of the existing 18
plus 9 temporary holes in the overflow camping area.

2010 Super Pohick Ice Bowl Champions will be crowned for their
cumulative scores from both rounds.

Optional additional $10.00 payout pool
(pays 50% of the people that put in.)
Using the Giles Handicapped Monthly (GHM) payout formula.
In this case the dollars collected for the Giles fund
will go towards the Hawk Hollow Basket Fund


Ice Bowl 2010 information:
http://www.icebowlhq.com
PDGA and Superclass approved disc information:
http://www.pdga.com/super-class
NoVa Disc Golf contact information:
Tom Coffin, Tournament Director * [email protected]
http://www.novadiscgolf.com
Capital Area Food Bank information:
6833 Hill Park Drive, Lorton, VA 22079, (703) 541-3063
http://www.capitalareafoodbank.org/supp ... tefood.cfm
Pohick Bay State Park information:
6501 Pohick Bay Drive Lorton VA 22079, (703) 339-6104
http://www.NVRPA.org

=====================
Superclass Eligible Discs:

MANUFACTURER - DISC MODEL:
Innova-Champion - Super Nova
Dynamic Discs - Floater
Innova-Champion - Pulsar
Wham-O - DTW Master
Disc Golf Aotearoa - The New Zealand 175 gram Ultimate Disc
Discraft - Ultra-Star
Discraft - J-Star
Wham-O / DTW - The Tool (T501 Mold)
Daredevil Discs Gamedisc
Wham-O / DTW - 90 Mold
Wham-O / DTW - 165g (80 Mold, High Rigidity)
Wham-O / DTW - Midnight Flyer (80 mold series)
Wham-O / DTW - Midnight Flyer (80 mold)
Discraft - Sky-Styler
Innova-Champion - Apple
Wham-O / DTW - 141g (50 Mold)
Wham-O / DTW - Midnight Flyer (50 Mold series)
Wham-O / DTW - Super Pro (60 Mold)
Wham-O / DTW - Midnight Flyer (100 mold)
Wham-O / DTW - Olympic/Collegiate (100 Mold series)
Discraft - Sky Pro
Innova-Champion - Zephyr
Wham-O / DTW - Professional (all molds)
Wham-O / DTW - Fastback (all molds)
Wham-O / DTW - Midnight Flyer (Fast Back)
Innova-Champion - Hero Disc Type
Disc Golf Aotearoa - Te Moko

Hey Folks - VTI is just around the corner and it's time to get
a new Black Belted Basket for Biscoe's prime beef real estate.
If you have played at Hawk Hollow - you know that it's one of the
hottest tickets in the area. Let's show our support for HH
and get a new Basket planted in the ground for the 2010 VTI
--
Last year we funded the Basket on #2 - and it's awesome.
Spotsy doubled our efforts
and with luck we can get the same great deal from the manufacturer

last year the goal was $340

so - Bang da Chains
Look for the Hawk Hollow Fundrasing Jar at misc tournaments. Also,
contributions can be made via PayPal to: [email protected]

I'll kick it off with $20
$320 to go

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20 - iron

2009 LORIELLA CHARITY TOURNAMENT
SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 2009
Money and food collected will support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank

For those that made it out - thank you. For those who didn't you missed a good day of disc golf, great food, and an opportunity to support the Fredericksburg Area Food Bank.

Thank you to Mike Trapasso and the Grange for their donation of Grange dollars and donation to the Food Bank! Also thank you to the players who donated discs for the Am payout, and to the Pros that donated winnings back to the Food Bank.

So here are the results:

75 cans of food
$525 money donation!!

Oh yeah and the winners were:
Open: Tom Coffin
Adv: Dave Stowell
Int: Ray Parrish
Chili Cookoff: Tom Coffin

Interesting, last two years the chili cook off winner also won Open - must be something in the beans?

For having 17 players - that is awesome! What prevented others from coming out to play?

AWWWWW! The joys of having a girl friend and Christmas right around the corner! Need I say more on why I was not there? My mind was there all day. I was being asked all day "Whats on your mind?" OH! Nothing dear... nothing! Sorry I couldn't make it.

The correct answer was that we had 28 people at the Bryan Park doubles. The ace pot is nearing $400.

yeah - but I bet yall didn't have any good chili down there

Not true. I made some on Tuesday and finished it up yesterday. It was awesome.

Not true. I made some on Tuesday and finished it up yesterday. It was awesome.

sez you.

I guess it's time for me to hit up Bryan park for some doubles ace runs! Saturday at what time, and how much?

I guess it's time for me to hit up Bryan park for some doubles ace runs! Saturday at what time, and how much?

Nobody is gonna tell you the time. we want to keep the money in richmond......lol!

It starts at 11:00.

Jimmy, that was just plain rude.

It starts at 11:00.

Jimmy, that was just plain rude.

I guess you are too vain to understand "LOL"! It is not proper english so it is below you. How stupid of me to think you would understand!

Sorry Jimmy. I guess I didn't notice the "lol" since i've never known a man who would type it.

i'm hoping for a foot of snow in bedford this weekend so they will re-schedule BRAWL # 2.

i have to work.

Yes, still no pohick results. I hope they never get seen!

i'm hoping for a foot of snow in bedford this weekend so they will re-schedule BRAWL # 2.

i have to work.

will 2 feet do instead?

Yes, still no pohick results. I hope they never get seen!

they'll show up in a month or so if history is an indication.

To Virginia Disc Golf Clubs and fellow Virginia Disc Golfers.

The Spotsy Disc Golf Club is raising money to purchase signs for Loriella Park. Here is your opportunity to support us:

Hole sponsorships are being sold at $100 per hole. This means two signs per hole, one for the red tee, one for the white tee. Holes 5 & 15 will either be sold together ($100) or separately ($50 per hole).

Sponsors of the hole will be recognized on the sign as sponsoring that hole. The sponsorship is good for at least a 12 months.

Hole one is already sponsored.

Please contact me if you desire to sponsor a hole. Give me a list of three, in the order of preference, of the hole you want to sponsor. It will be first come, first served. If your first choice is available, you get it, if it is already taken, then you will get your second choice, if that is taken, then your third choice. If all three choices taken I will let you know what hole is available.

My contact info: [email protected]

Or simply reply to this post.

Will work out details for payment of your sponsorship when your hole is selected. I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Oh yeah - we are still snowed in here - I've heard the main roads have been cleared, however, my subdivision has not been touched.

be careful what you wish for. we got at least 8 in and it CRIPPLED the area where i live. my power went out on fri at 10 pm and just came back on today at 4!

still don't know about the falling creek BRAWL. i don't see how they could have played it.

be careful what you wish for. we got at least 8 in and it CRIPPLED the area where i live. my power went out on fri at 10 pm and just came back on today at 4!

still don't know about the falling creek BRAWL. i don't see how they could have played it.

It was postponed

After careful and deliberate consideration, the BRAWL at Falling Creek will replace the BRAWL at Big Branch. In other words, on January 9th, we will play at Falling Creek instead of Big Branch.

Please help spread the word to help our internet-challenged friends and others! Seriously!

That means there are basically only six more chances for BRAWL points. Only your top six points totals count as usual, so each tournament is even more important this year!

See everyone on January 2nd as the BRAWL rumbles into Walnut Creek near Charlottesville!

Happy New Year! It feels like I haven't played disc golf in months! I'm getting geeked to play the Nut!

The BRAWL rolls into Walnut Creek Park on Saturday, January 2nd. Tournament course records for Walnut Creek are a 44 from the white tees shot by Wayne Brown, Vince Whorley, and Ben Long on 10/15/05 at Mountain Jam IV. The Blue tee tournament course record is a 52 by Jake Azato at Mountain Jam VI on 10/6/07. Let's all support co-tournament director Dan Hoffman, as he and his crew will have the Nut in top shape!

The BRAWL on January 9th, which was scheduled for Big Branch, will be held at Falling Creek Park in Bedford instead. Please help spread the word.

FarmDiscGolf.net has been updated and the old BRAWL results have been added. Please be patient while I work the bugs out.

Vince

Yes, this is non-PDGA info Chris. Sorry

Jake Azato is solid

Here's some more info to get you fired up for the BRAWL at Walnut Creek on Saturday.

I'm proud to say that the Nut is the third leg of the BRAWL this year, and I can't think of a better course to hold that distinguished honor.

This will be the fifth BRAWL at the Nut! Previous Open winners include Adam Vanderslice (II), Rusty Wilhelm (III), Tim Barr (IV), and James Conrad (V). The year Adam won is remembered for a mix of weather: rain, ice, sleet, snow, and wind variably appeared. The tournament was shortened to 27 holes and Adam dominated the field by seven throws, apparently unaffected by the conditions.

This year's forecast is Sunny!

Who will win this year's BRAWL at the Nut? Will a member of the BRDGC ever win one?

Some new things for BRAWL VI are the two MEGA-CTPs! A dollar out of every entry will be put into a cash CTP that all players are eligible for both rounds. Last year the Nut BRAWL had 42 players--that would make a $42 CTP!!! The other CTP will be a huge stack of prizes and discs graciously donated by players. (COUGHoffmanCOUGH). This CTP will also be for all players both rounds. The one at Randolph Park was four or five discs I think. We don't have seven crappy CTPs, we prefer two MEGA-CTPs!

This year the points race will be tighter than ever. Since the second tournament was cancelled, each remaining tournament is even more critical. A darkhorse has never had a better chance to win the BRAWL than this year!

The four Open BRAWL finalists will be playing for big prizes as usual. The Amateur BRAWL champion will win a Innova Discatcher Sport. Second, third, and fourth place Ams will get gift certificates to Play-It-Again Sports. The Lady champion will get a gift card to Play-It-Again also. All the champions will get their name on the BRAWL trophy perpetual plaque.

Thanks to Innova and Play-It-Again Sports for sponsoring the BRAWL again this year. They provide the most premium plastic and great prizes. Check out Play-It-Again in Forest--they have a huge selection of new and used discs!

See y'all at Walnut Creek Saturday!

VW

John
I know everyone is very busy getting over the holidays. When do you think that the 2010 VA sch. will be ready to post. Any changes to the ODDS?

most of the schedule will be done this week, march looks like this:
3/6 loriella ams
3/7 loriella pros
3/13 falling creek
3/20-21 VTI
3/28 sherando

there are some things to be worked out in april still.

you'd have to ask Bonday about ODDS.

most of the schedule will be done this week, march looks like this:
3/6 loriella ams
3/7 loriella pros
3/13 falling creek
3/20-21 VTI
3/28 sherando

there are some things to be worked out in april still.

you'd have to ask Bonday about ODDS.

I sure hope Loriella pros isn't an ODDS. That will mean red eye from the Memorial.

redeye it is.

I had already figured that out. I'm going to do it.

of course you are- you can't stop yourself.

who are you going to arizona with?

all by myself. I think i'll stay in a resort that sleeps around 6 or 8. Maybe i'll invite people frrom this area to stay. Tom Coffin, that means you.

Super Doubles

Spotsylvania Disc Golf Club Fundrasier
$10 from each team goes to club

Saturday February 6th, 2010

Ams $40.00 per team-- START AT LORIELLA
Pros $60.00 per team-- START AT PRATT

Players meeting at 9:00 am both locations.
Tee time 9:30 am both locations

Non-PDGA Sanctioned

17TH ANNUAL WINTER
DOUBLES

SATURDAY ---- JANUARY 23th, 2010
ROUND 1 DOREY BLUE TEES
TEE TIME 10:00 A.M.
ROUND 2 GILLIES CREEK
(TEE TIME TO BE ANNOUNCED)

REGISTRATION ENDS AT 9:30 A.M.


OPEN PRO $50.00 PER TEAM
ADVANCED AMATEUR $30.00 PER TEAM
AMATEUR $20.00 PER TEAM

or you can trek up to the druid hill ice bowl 1/23 (the day before the ravens win the AFC championship).

$15 ($5 of each entry goes to the food bank)
TNT style triples (modified random draw, favorite shot)
1 round of 27 (including x-holes, tees tbd)
10:00 draw
quality refreshments on tap
$1 cuss jar (for charity)

Bob
I am interested in trying out for the Spotsy Team this year for the VTI. I need to know who to send my club dues to. Please txt me the address so I can get this in the mail. 804-513-8455.

Bob
I am interested in trying out for the Spotsy Team this year for the VTI. I need to know who to send my club dues to. Please txt me the address so I can get this in the mail. 804-513-8455.

Jimmy - Since I will be Team Spotsy's Captain this year (by default more than anything else), I will respond for Bob.

Spotsy DGC is still discussing how Team Spotsy will be formed. At our December club meeting we made recommendations and sent that info out to our 2009 club members. We plan to discuss again at our January meeting for final determination. Past years we had a tryout, this year's recommendation is to not have a tryout. Will know more after next week's meeting.

Can I attend the meeting along with club dues to become a member? How much are the dues now? I plan to play most of my golf this year in the Spotsy area with the exception of Richmond leagues.

Jimmy - Since I will be Team Spotsy's Captain this year (by default more than anything else), I will respond for Bob.

Spotsy DGC is still discussing how Team Spotsy will be formed. At our December club meeting we made recommendations and sent that info out to our 2009 club members. We plan to discuss again at our January meeting for final determination. Past years we had a tryout, this year's recommendation is to not have a tryout. Will know more after next week's meeting.

By the way..........That is just my luck!

Luck or fortuity is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance which happens beyond a person's control.

It seems to me that had you gone to the meetings you would have had some control. It's just like a bad shot. It's not bad luck, you had the opportunity to throw it properly.

MD vs VA Ice Bowl Battle is this weekend!
We need VA representation bad - come on up

incentive: Chunk-d one of the nova members is an
award winning BBQist - travels nationally with a team and wins
BBQ matches - anyways he's making lunch for us on Sunday

Luck or fortuity is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance which happens beyond a person's control.

It seems to me that had you gone to the meetings you would have had some control. It's just like a bad shot. It's not bad luck, you had the opportunity to throw it properly.


Chris is the Dalai Lama of Virginia disc golf.....

Well i've been playing a lot of doubles lately and i've noticed that my partners will often mention that they are having bad luck. How is it that I can throw a better shot after they throw a bad one? It's obviously not luck influencing it. Luck plays a big part in games of chance, not games of skill. That is all.

you only say that because you're one of the luckiest players ever (after DM of course) :)

what do you call a drive that misses the fairway, cuts through every tree in the woods and lands beside the basket? i call it a bad throw that got lucky. i see it ALL the time. luck plays a huge part in disc golf, i don't care what anybody says. i can't count the number of times i have seen bad shots go WAY good because of dumb luck. no skill involved. youve played rounds where you get beat by someone who gets one of these lucky shots at JUST the right time. skill will definately get you there, but anyone who wins a tourney gets lucky somewhere, and i dont think that can be denied.

Old Dominion Disc Series Opener

Loriella Challenge

PDGA B Tier

AM - Saturday March 6th, 2010
PRO - Sunday March 7th, 2010

Both days:
Registration/Check-in: 8:30-9:30
Players Meeting: 9:45
First Tee Time 10:00 Second Tee TBA

AM - $25
PRO - $40

Online registration at www.spotsydiscgolf.com

This tournment has filled the last few years!!! Make sure you sign up early!!!

what do you call a drive that misses the fairway, cuts through every tree in the woods and lands beside the basket? .

i call it hysell's shot. if it hits a tree and still winds up under the basket i call that a dwayne.

Bob
I responded to Jeff wanting to come to the January meeting to become a member and hear what you all are going to do to fill the Spotsy Team for the VTI. I asked when the meeting was going to be and where. Can or will you help?

Bob
I responded to Jeff wanting to come to the January meeting to become a member and hear what you all are going to do to fill the Spotsy Team for the VTI. I asked when the meeting was going to be and where. Can or will you help?

Jimmy - meeting is Thursday night at Bob's house. He told me he added you to the e-mail distribution list. I assume you did not get it. What is your e-mail address and I will forward it to you.

JEFF

I need the time and address also

Bob
I responded to Jeff wanting to come to the January meeting to become a member and hear what you all are going to do to fill the Spotsy Team for the VTI. I asked when the meeting was going to be and where. Can or will you help?

Jimmy - PM me your email address.

I need the time and address also

I doubt it's that formal. You can probably just wear slacks.