It looks like Titledisc is setup to take entries for the ZLT10. :)

Titledisc is now ready to accept entries for the 2004 Ziegen Light Texas 10 Charity Tour.

http://www.titledisc.com

Please note that the final event will be available to enter very soon. It is not full :)

As a signup bonus for the first event in Lewisville you have the option to purchase a Champion Valkyrie for $10 which is a $4 saving. You can collect your disc at the event. Keep an eye on other signup bonuses during the year.

In 2004 we will be offering mulligans. They are $2 each. You are allowed only 1 per round. Half the money goes to te Lance Armstrong Foundation and half back to you the player as tour bonus.

Stay tuned later this week for news on a NEW FRESH looking Texas 10 website.

Thanks
Chris

Mulligans?.........doesn't seem right to me, but it might be interesting. :(

Mulligans will be an experiment for a while. It's only one per round so nothing too major. Remember all the money goes to the charity and back to the tour bonus. The idea is to have fun out on the course. If the players decide they don't like it then I will listen.

Lots more fun things coming in the next few weeks.

Don't forget the Gonzales Open will happen March 27. It will be a PDGA C-tier and a Southern National Qualifier. It is not apart of Texas 10 but will be run the same just on one course. Look for information and entry info soon.

I am spending Wednesday and Thursday this week in Wichita Falls checking out the town and courses. I hope to have a few photos to post when I get back. I will also have a hotel deal done as well. More soon.

Thanks
Chris

Nothing wrong with mulligans, so long as everyoneis limited to 1 per round, finances dont really give anyone an advantage....

Does somewhat skewer ratings, though......

ratings? this isn't sanctioned so it doesn't affect your rating.

Gonzales is a fun course(nice work JH)...looking forward to the event in March...will the construction be done by then? :p

ratings? this isn't sanctioned so it doesn't affect your rating.



I know it isnt sanctioned....except the finals...

People still usually calculate ratings, even if they dont get submitted....

I think that mulligans are great! Limiting it to one is cheap enough, and it leaves a little room for strategy:

- Missed a 10 footer on the third hole. Use it now?
- Threw OB off of the 5th tee box. Retee with penalty, throw from last IB with penalty, or retee with no penalty?

The obvious call is to use the mulligan when it will save a penalty stroke, so you have to know the course to some extent so, when faced with a decision to rethrow a shot that did not incur a penalty, will you have a chance to later negate a throw that did incur a penalty?

My only suggestion would be to give 2 mulligans/round, and if it is used to negate a penalty, then both mulligans must be used, otherwise, they can be used separately.

If you buy 2 mulligans (1 for each round) and don't use 1 your first round, can you use both in the second round? I wouldn't think that it would matter because we go off total score anyways.

Strategy is important, especially if you have to use the result of the mulligan. Went OB? Unless it was an odd OB (got stuck in the only tree on the fairway), you might go OB on the mulligan. Using it to get back that missed 10 footer would actually make the most sense, since you could truly get back a stroke. Having to use the result of the mulligan and getting to use it only drives would limit it the advantage.

Fill me in mulligans for the Texas 10 events?

Does, the event in Gonzales have mulligans? How can you have mulligans for a PDGA sanctioned tourney?

Sorry Chris, I just can't contain this opinion and have to let it out. I understand and support all charity fundraising, but there are other ways. We should keep the competition pure and mulligans are counter to pure competition. Just my unsolicited two cents.

I think he said no mulligans in the final, which is the only one sanctioned.

come on guys.......Mulligans make someone money

come on guys.......Mulligans make someone money



Mulligans are a great way of earning extra cash for the cause, BUT not at a PDGA event. :D

I'm not in agreement with the thought of purchased mulligans being "fun" or a good idea during tournament play, regardless of the charitable reasoning behind the idea. I'm thinking more along the lines of sticking with everyone being on a level playing field during the tournament, and you score your game as you play it, mistakes and all.

Now Chris, what you did at the Lewisville Final a couple months ago was great... have a temp basket setup for ace runs, and people can purchase throws for a dollar or two per throw. Then split the money between the winner(s) and the Lance Armstrong Foundation. That was truly fun, and it didn't interfere with the spirit or the fairness of the competition during the tourney.

Just my humble thoughts on the subject... of course, I'm also probably just a hard-nosed S.O.B., since I also don't like the idea of the "bonus qualifier" tourneys where you get additional points just for showing up at an additional tourney or two. :p

car dealers give lance 1,000,000 to the charity, Shoe dealers give the charity 3,000,000. Bike manufactor gives 10,000,000.
Discgolf gives a drop in the bucket, Chris is just trying to make it 2 drops.

Vinnie, I'm not 100% positive, but I'd be willing to bet that in donating to Lance, the car and shoe and bike dealers are not providing a way to alter the outcome of a skill-based competition by allowing someone with an additional $2 to possibly beat someone without the additional $2.

Now before you go start lecturing me on how everyone should be able to come up with $2 for a mulligan, I would argue that, after seeing (and having to stand downwind from) some of my fellow competitors, there are those who are obviously unable to come up with an extra couple of dollars for some of life's "essentials" :D

There are other ways. Just charge us an extra $4 and keep the game clean.

I think the mulligans are a great idea. Should be fun.

There are other ways. Just charge us an extra $4 and keep the game clean.



That is never possible if McCaine shows up to play. You dirty little rattle snake, you.

Buying a mulligan is a good idea as long as someone doesn't win or tie for first because they had a mulligan and the other guy didn't.

Hey Disc Nerd, what if it makes the difference between coming in third instead of second? Or fourth instead of fifth? Or even the difference between cashing or not cashing?

If it artificially affects any player's finishing position, it is not a good idea.... and yes, it would be "artificial".

Think of how much you are already paying to play the event. Gas money, hotel, food, etc. What is an extra $2? I think EVERYONE should get in on it. Then it will be fair and if you can't afford the extra $2, accept what happens.

I somehow knew you couldn't resist the $2 comment, Danny. :D

Even though it is obvious, that doesn't discredit it.

Discrediting you is not my intention... heck, what good is a discussion if everyone is too busy trying to defend everything they say?

Or if everyone is in agreement with each other, for that matter. ;)

Whaaaaa.....Mulligqans are for the first 9 events, so sanctioning is not even in the picture. Why pass up an OBVIOUS fundraiser, that many people will GLADLY contribute to?

$2 well spent, screw the ones who dont like it, they dont have to buy them....

Yeah, they can take that $2 and buy a 40oz. to drown their sorrows. :D

It's not about the money. It's about basic fair play and pure competition. Why do you never see mulligans on the PGA tour? Why don't we give each team in the super bowl five downs for one series each half? Why not give teams in the final four a couple of redos for missed freethrows?

Yea, I'm being sarcastic, but noone would ever dream of those things. It would be a mockery. Competition should be honest, at any level where the players take their sport seriously. I feel that disc golfers should follow the same code.

"Waaaaa" is more appropriately applied to those who find mulligans/gimmicky crutches appealing.

James, do you complain about everything?

Nothing personal, but it just seems that way lately.....

its an unsanctioned tournament, to RAISE MONEY FOR A CHARITY!!

If you are that worried about it ruining the "spirit" and "fair play" of the game, stick to ultra-anal santioned tournaments, and ignore the TX10 completely....

Hear Hear, James!!!

(raising my $2 40-oz'er in a toast to Mr. McCaine's understanding of the gist of the impasse)

The Waterloo Tournament was a sanctioned X-tier that sold mulligans for charity. I don't remember it causing it any havoc. :eek:

Bam bam, I agree with you on all points.
Mulligan should not be used; there are better ways to raise money.
My point is the drop in the bucket thingy.
Disc golf will not raise money at the level the corporations are able to donate at. So I ask everyone why should we be affiliated with a charity?
A big corporation donates and gets a tax break. What is it a charity does for the sport?
If the answer is exposure, Then I ask you if the word got out that disc golf tournaments purses average $20,000 each, would that be better exposure than a charity event that because our donation is a drop in the bucket can not even get the president of the charity to come out. I am not picking on the Texas ten thing. I am direction this to all charity events.
Charities in my American right of free speech opinion are for the big corporations, churches, or individuals to get involved with. I don�t know of many small organizations getting recognized for kicking money into a big charity.Which is my point no exposure!

all I know is I cashed at the ICE BOWL by canning my 40 ft mulligan PUTT :D my drive mulligan I did not use since it was worse than my fist shot . I say if you have a player rating of less than 955 than you get 4 mulligans. for the price of 2. :eek: :D :p

I've played in several non-sanctioned, "mulligan's allowed" events. All of them were set up the same. The only time you were permitted to use a mulligan was off of the teebox, and IF you used your mulligan, you were FORCED to take your mulligan shot. You were not able to see which one turned out better, you just simply played from the mulligan lie. NO MULLIGAN PUTTS!!! (cuz it's really embarrassing when you miss the 10 footer the 2nd time :o)

I still like the idea of sanctioning all of the ZLTx10's. What ever happened to that idea?

We dont want to give all that money to the PDGA, we want it to go to lance,and the Tour Bonus!!

As for the use of mulligans, I have heard people say "only drives" which I have never heard in a event we used them. A Mulligan is a "do over", which shoudl be allowed on any shot, so long as you have your mulligan. Now when there are 2 types of mulligans, that makes perfect sense, which is what it sounds like the ice bowl seewhere played in last weekend had.

There are much better fundraisers, but why discount one, when its not really much advantage, and meets the goal the organizer set forth for it to do?

Mulligans are for amateurs!!!
"Everyone who really knows me will really get a kick out of this."
But then the way things are going. We should change the name to A.D.G.A. �amateur disc golf association.�
The sport is catering more and more to the amateur. Much like quilting! No tournaments for quilting. Just one day a week, a few get together and make a quilt to give to charity and get a new thimble / needle for doing so.
Until we get back on the same page of the P.G.A, where you hear of one amateur event a year and there is pro only event every weekend. Don�t get me wrong I love making money with %100 mark up on amateur payouts. But amateurs should practice to become pros. And if they can�t cut join the gallery.

theres the suprise of the century.....Vinnie wanting us all to play pro....

If i played PRO, I may feel the same way as you two, who seem so dead set against it....

IM A HACKER, AND PROUD OF IT!!!!

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sidenote: LOTS of BALL Golf events raise money for Charity, and sell Mulligans, and tons of alcohol consumption DURING the rounds too....OMG!!! Should they be outlawed too?

This is weird but I think I agree with Vinnie. :DThere should be a A.D.G.A. Amatures have different needs than the Pros. Does ball golf have an A.G.A.?

And PDGA pros should learn tact, respect, and courtesy, just like the PGA pros.

I don't like the idea of mulligans, for the reasons James suggests. But I needed to say that above.

A USGA-type entity would be nice to so we could have the PDGA and AmDGA.

USGA......

PGA is a TOUR organization.....

ADGA already exists, ask the Arlington guys/gals. :D

I did it again...I go out for a few hours and bam.

As I said I am very open to listening to everyones opinions about the mulligans. I did this as an experiement and I will let you all know very soon if I will continue to do it. My personal opinion as a Pro Player is I don't like them at all. I am happy to donate to a charity but believe that my skill alone should determine the winner. However I have to make decisions for the 1600 plus players of Texas 10. I try my best and thank people for there advise and comments.

Vinnie don't even try to get me started about the charity. You do your thing and I will do mine. At least I listen to the players. The Lance Armstrong Foundation raised $4,500,000 last year up from $2,500,000 in 2002. None of Lance's corporate sponsorship goes to the charity. I repeat none of those ten's on millions of dollars Lance gets from Nike, Giro, USPS goes to his foundation.

Please keep posting your thoughts and ideas, I am listening.

:)

Thanks
Chris

Bam bam, I agree with you on all points.
Mulligan should not be used; there are better ways to raise money.
My point is the drop in the bucket thingy.
Disc golf will not raise money at the level the corporations are able to donate at. So I ask everyone why should we be affiliated with a charity?
A big corporation donates and gets a tax break. What is it a charity does for the sport?
If the answer is exposure, Then I ask you if the word got out that disc golf tournaments purses average $20,000 each, would that be better exposure than a charity event that because our donation is a drop in the bucket can not even get the president of the charity to come out. I am not picking on the Texas ten thing. I am direction this to all charity events.
Charities in my American right of free speech opinion are for the big corporations, churches, or individuals to get involved with. I don�t know of many small organizations getting recognized for kicking money into a big charity.Which is my point no exposure!



Vinnie,

I see your point of "What's in it for me". You totally miss the point about charity, IMHO. You do things for charity, not to get recognized as a do-gooder, but because it is the right thing to do. To help others that are in need is the whole idea of charity, Love thy neighbor! :)

I don't foresee a time in the near future when DG will raise money like Large MNCs, but that doesn't mean DGers shouldn't get involved with a charity event,e.g., volunteering, loaning your baskets, playing the event, buying raffle tickets. I feel DG events are perfect venues for getting people together that care and are willing to help.

Big corps do it for the recognition and tax writeoffs. People should do it to help out our fellow man/woman. Any other reason is misplaced. Besides, how much exposure do you expect? :p

Ray :D

I was going to just throw a poll on here so you all could vote on it, but that option wasn't showing up on the post...so I vote

NO ( just one more opinion in the pile)

there is the NIKE tour which is for Players that DO NOT EARN their PGA TOUR CARD.

Give to charity because it's right and it makes you feel good (every drop counts). Play Disc golf because it's fun and it makes you feel good. Add the two together and then mix in some beers and you come out feeling really good. :D

Thanks Adam. I also wanted to post a "Poll" but couldn't. I have emailed Conrad and Theo but haven't heard back.

My vote is.....I guess I don't count :)

there are several tours, besides the "BIG DADDY" one....

I dont think its called the NIKE tour, as of 2003, last year it was the "Nationwide(Insurance) Tour".....not sure about 2K4....

There are a ZILLION BG tournaments, that arent PGA, Champions,LPGA or Nationwide, but exist just the same...

would the mulligans be <font color="green"> have-to-use mulligans </font> ? where you throw horrible 1st time, mulligan throw is worse. Do you get the option to take your first shot or do you have to take the mulligan shot?

I have seen that go both ways, in the past, and LIKE the "choose your favorite" but dont think thats how they shoudl be done.....

Yep, I am a Hacker, that needs all the gimmicks and tricks I can get!!!

The pot is stirred now.
Chris I didn�t' say that the big corporate that sponsor Lance himself.
I was referring to donations to the charity from big corporate.
And Ray I on an individual level donate directly to charities and not for reorganization, because I do love thy neighbor.
I am pointing out that if the money that was raised (which $20,000 is a drop in a big bucket) for a charity of this size was rolled into a payout and communicated to the public. The sport would grow with the human nature of making big bucks while having fun.

I disagree Vinnie. $20,000 for the LAF is a big deal. The LAF relies on donations from many people just like us to make a difference. Here are there stats for the year so far:

Total Amount Raised: $257,382.37
Total Peloton Members: 620
Total US States: 46
Total Countries: 12
Fundraising Goal: $5,000,000.00

Notice the number of people. It's all about everybody doing there little bit to come together to make a bigger effort.

All good things take time to develop. As time goes by disc golf will grow, donations increase, more exposure is gained and everyone is happy. But it's not going to happen overnight. In the mean time I will continue to add my 2 or 3 drops to the bucket. Maybe after June and the 24 Hour Marathon goes national it will be 4 or 5 drops.
:)

And you do a fine job.
You make Lance's charity big and I will work on making disc golf big. Nobody loses!

you guys are both a great credit to Texas disc golf and the future of the sport. John "Buckshot" Houck is in there too and a bunch of others.

Thinking of the future makes me think of a TDGA. :eek: :D

*insert Neon Noodle tag line* DO SOMETHING!!

Chris, maybe you can have players donate for there not to be mulligans used in a tournament. If you meet a certain donation goal from golfers who don't want them, then they won't be used for that particular tour stop.

interesting

LOL.....that isnt fair, since there are some guys out there can afford to donate a bunch, just to cause others grief....

I was thinking, do it at the first one, and get feedback....

LMAO @ The HDIC(head dragon in charge, Vinnie). We all know you dislike the Am class, don't sweat it :D My opinion is that the mulligans should only be used in the rec or am division. I know I'd be ****** if I were in a playoff for 1st place in Open(yeah I see that happening) and the other guy used a mulligan to win it. In the lower skill brackets I don't see a problem with it, face it we're playing in those lower brackets because we make mistakes(or like me, we just plain suck :p). Either way, TX10 is the best tournament series out there, and one of the main reasons for that is the "drop in the bucket" it gives to the LAF. Now just go out and play for FUN :D

While you boys have been discussing all this check out what I have been doing...should be a little better this year :)

http://www.texas10tour.com

Like the girls? :cool:

After a colder than normal Christmas (for an Australian at least), I have been busy getting ready for a new season of Texas 10. For a new year, comes a new and fresh look for the tours website. Check it out today and let me know what you think.

http://www.texas10tour.com/

Some things still need to be updated but will be as info comes to hand. At the moment I am working on getting all the course info listed. I am also working on how to get rid of all those photos of me on the gallery link.

Entries can now be taken for the first 9 events. Go to http://www.titledisc.com/ to enter online or call me directly on 512-289-2299 if you would like to do it over the phone.

Thanks for all the support in the last three years. This year promises to be the best yet. Big things are in store I promise. You know I always have a few things up my sleeve.

Yours in Flight,
Chris

Chris and all players - there is a poll up on for the Mulligan debate. You can locate it under searching for Ziegenbock - oh yeah...

I think you may have accidently forgot to add Waco to the schedual page. There are only nine places listed.

You fixed that fast. Now all that the site needs is a link that shows us the niiiiice girls that serve beer at the tournaments when you click on the girls at the home page. :D

Adam, searching WHERE, how about a URL, ya lazy transplanted okie!!! :o


;)

Oh you ask so much of me :D

and by your # of posts on here daily, I would think a Houston boy could find it all by himself. :o

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

Thanks Adam....I have to work SOMETIMES....sheesh... :p

why are there 2 polls? you should delete one.

Did I miss one? :confused:

why are there 2 polls? you should delete one.



Adam apparently thinks we should vote per round. :D

why are there 2 polls? you should delete one.



Adam apparently thinks we should vote per round. :D



LMAO....good observation, I'll go vote on the other one.....
:D

I did delete the first one I made ( I thought)...I'll do some more checking - geesh...you ask so much of me. I am only 1 man LOL

Adam, I don't think that you can delete a thread. You can delete the post though. Just go to one of those and click edit. At the bottom it will say delete post.

What do you guys think of the new web site?

Who has entered on Titledisc? Call me if you want to enter by phone.

Lewisville and Wichita are first on the hit list...come get a piece of the huge bonus payout.

Too much time has elapsed from my original post, so it won't let me delete the other poll :mad: the link on this thread does go to the correct poll though :)

Chris the new website looks great. Ready for February to roll around and get this show started

Nice Bender :D

Nice website. Those women at the top are some of the hottest disc golf chicks I have ever seen. I guess I never got to play with them. :D

Sorry you didn't get to play with them....I did :cool:


I wish.


As you can tell I am not in Wichita Falls today. Hope to next week when the weather is better.

:o

Nice website. Those women at the top are some of the hottest disc golf chicks I have ever seen. I guess I never got to play with them. :D



Mark, quit using Danielle's user name to post. ;)

LOL.....I was sorta wondering about that post, but ya never know!!!

Uh, it is Danielle. I can recognize a good looking girl when I see one. Jeeze, perverts.

hmm.......I shouldn't type what I am thinking. :D

it's all in fun. ;)

I know what I am thinking :cool:

Speaking of cute girls I have setup a nice girl to model some of the new Texas 10 and 24 Hour Marathon clothing. You guys be nice to her when you see the pictures.

I have been speaking to Innova today and we should have some cool new discs in 2004. More news soon.

The new Champion Orc will be available in the next week or so. I will let you kow when I have them.

:mad:

Danielle....we cant help it, when one hot chick comments on other hot chicks, men lose their mind......

its like...genetic or something.....

You say perverts like its a bad thing!!

Thanks Cong! :o

:D

The results are pretty close so far ( 33 votes)...Mulligans or not in the TX10?

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

Champion Orc ???

Is that the latest Innova long range driver inspired by the Lord of the Rings movie ?

basically......between the beast and starfire, according to dave, and more consistant....

We shall see......

Too many discs. I have given up trying to keep up.

No Doubt.....starting to get like a **** Ball Golf club selection....

the Orc? now, that's uber-ghey.

I think that Orlando Bloom's appearance at the USDGC may have had a lasting impact.

I think that Orlando Bloom's appearance at the USDGC may have had a lasting impact.



i guess the Elf is coming, then.....

The oRc is a Roc. It's just simply misspelled, nothing more, nothing less.

John, when does the sWap come out?

The oRc is a Roc. It's just simply misspelled, nothing more, nothing less.



I thought that too, when I first saw it, but thats not the case.....

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

42 Voters after day one and it is pretty close so far. What did you say Chris? 1600 different players? I might want to extend the date on this poll :D

Thanks Adam, I will make sure I vote a few hundred more times...only joking.

The Champion Orc will be available in a week or so. From what I know it is between the Starfire and Beast. That means it will be one awesome disc.

Today I got my hands on a couple of hundred of the best Champion X out discs I have seen. See you all in Lewisville with these.

The 24 Hour Marathon details are getting close. Today I basically sorted out the players pack. Lets see here's a hint...Candy disc, hat and mini...and $5 to charity and $5 to the local club. Get a few thousand people adding a little fundraising for Lance and look what we have...LOTS OF MONEY TO LANCE. Lots of prizes to players that play and raise the most. A new website will be launced soon with all the info.

More soon...
Chris

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

49 votes and so far No Mulligans is leading the way. Don't miss your chance to voice your opinion for the upcoming 2004 TX10 Tour.

OK, just to stir things up more (since people seem to be so divided on mulligans). How about running a handicap event in conjunction with the Texas 10 event. Once you've played 3 events, you get assigned a handicap. Your handicap is published at each event, and would be based against the average score of all players that finished both rounds for the 3 prior events you played (or maybe 2, throwing out the worst of the 3). You can decide at that time if your handicap (and that of the others) looks fair. Put in an extra $10 to play the handicap, $5 of which goes to Lance. Payout top 3 places, 60%, 30%, 10%. Think, if 140 players each put up $10, Lance get $700 and first place handicap wins $420. Of course, I suppose someone would try to throw their first 3 events to take the handicap on their fourth but they'd be losing over $100 in entry fees and handicap money not to mention the travel expenses. And there's no guarantee that there'd be that many people qualified by the 4th event, so the first payouts would be lower.
But on the mulligan topic, $2 isn't that much and if you feel not having a mulligan would leave you at a disadvantage (which it would), pay the $2! The PYMWYMI has mulligans where you must use the result of the mulligan. Every year I use mine on hole 8 and I can't say it's ever helped my score! In fact, it cost me a stroke when the mulligan went OB and the first drive didn't.

The PYMWYMI has mulligans



Put your money where your mouth is. Unless of course you screw up, then use a mulligan. I hope someone else can see the irony.

The PYMWYMI has mulligans



Put your money where your mouth is. Unless of course you screw up, then use a mulligan. I hope someone else can see the irony.



James,

That was in the junior weenie division, Not the Big Boys division :D

If the Big Boys got mulligans, that would be ironic. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ray

Thanks for the clarification. My faith has been restored. :)

Chris, I am not about to go back into this thread to see if your seriously considering mulligans. How about I vote for myself and the rest of the sane golfers out there. NO TO MULLIGANS in any event where you pay an entry fee. If you can't live with that crappy shot you just threw then pick a different sport that doesn't reward consistency, like soccer. If anyone really wants to know how I feel about mulligans please ask me! ;)

I think the people that have voted sure for mulligans on the pole are voting more than once. :mad:

I really appreciate everybodies posts, emails and phone calls. I plan on making a decision on this sometime on Monday. But for now I am going to get a rare chance to get out and play all weekend.

Back Monday...

I think the people that have voted sure for mulligans on the pole are voting more than once. :mad:



You can only vote once, per username......multiple personalities, are allowed multiple votes,arent they? :D

Chris, remember, 80% of your TX10 players dont even read this board, no matter he outcome of the poll.

Starting to seem like Pro-NO Ams-yes.......

Sorry to interrupt....But I wanted to congradulate the winners of the WV Open laser mini's, Danielle Vargas 18131 and Gary Duke 9426 they won (somehow) the mini's we gave to Chris to give out.

Thanks for letting us sponsor you all!

And there are two more up for grabs at the MACEMAN's event this weekend....good luck and if you don't win one, you could always buy one!

Mark Susi #7002
The WVO Relentless Marketer

Great! Thanks for the mini! How did I win? Random drawing?

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

Well I think we have his opinion and that of over 60 other golfers so far on this. Pretty split in the poll.

The only way to vote more than once on the poll is to do it from another computer or use a different logon. It recognizes the location you have previously voted from. Let's just get rid of them. You play from were you threw it. That is what it's all about.

I'm against mulligans but if hes offering them at the Z10s that I will be attending you better believe I'll be getting one cause my rec. [*****] will need it. ;) I was just kidding about voting more than once.

We are almost at a 60/40 split towards NO on the poll...

I just think it takes away from the game. If you used both to make a birdie instead of par - you gain 2 strokes at best and if you use them to correct 2 ob's - you gain 2-4 strokes at best. Seems like we should play what we get. One more thought. I go to the Octoberfriz tourney every year in Winfield, KS and this year Mulligans were part of the entry fee and everyone had them. As long as the playing field is even, it should not make a big difference, but that is but one golfers opinion and if you don't have the extra $4.00 or so to buy them, you might want to rethink your finances :D

Mulligan Poll (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=129963&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

Firstly I would like to thank everybody that has posted, emailed me, called me and spoke to me on the courses for all your input both for and against the use of mulligans.

As I said from the start I will always listen to the voices of the people that make ZT10 happen...you the players.

I have made the decision not to sell or use mulligans at anytime during Texas 10.

This a rough guideline to what we will do to have some fun and raise a few dollars instead.

After the second round is over at each event, while we are doing the final scores and payout, an Innova Discatcher portable basket will be setup just like at the finals last year. $1 a shot at an ace run on that basket. Just before I call you in if any people have made aces then those people will throw off to win the basket as a CTP prize. In the time while you are all throwing no one hits the ace then the basket will be offered for sale at $100 with the proceeds going half to Lance and half to the players tour bonus. That sounds like a fair deal to me and a fun way to voluntarily participate if you want to win a basket. From all the money collected from the $1 shots half will go to Lance and half to the players tour bonus.

Have fun discussing this one guys :cool:...and Adam no more polls please.

Thanks
Chris

Sounds great and I think I can stay away from the Poll button :D

Great idea. :D

I agree. I thought we were going to have to add a clown's mouth, and a moving windmill also. :D

<font color="red"> </font> Wow Chris! You sure found a way to keep the message board hot while we wait for the tour to start. :DI hope to play in the Gonzales Open so we'll see you then. Gooday mate.

Thanks Billy. Yes I have that ability and proud of it:) My Dad taught me the way of the salesman / promoter well.

Gonzales will be fun. I expect the info to be on Titledisc by the end of the week.

My Hero...no windmills or clowns mouths for me either, hooters, beer and fun is more the style. Did I mention a bloody huge players bonus at the end of the year. $10,000 added before we start. That should work out to around $18,000 added by years end.

Stay tuned for a few more fun announcements before the week is over.

Thanks
Chris

Yea.....i figured that you and i had enough of the Clown's Mouth in Rock Hill. Thanks for not adding one to the ZL-Tx-10 tour.

Hooters, beer, and $10,000 to START!!!!! Woo-Hoo. SIGN ME UP!

I'm sure i'm speaking for a lot of people when i say "Thanks for all that you do Chris."

That sounds like a great alternative to me. It keeps the game pure and still lets you bring in extra money for Lance. I did like the image of the baskets adorned with clown faces and windmills, though. :)

Ok Chris here is an idea. Give players the chance to pay a dollar amount to double or triple their winnings if they hit an ace pot. You know kinda the Lotto's mutiplier works. Just a thought to raise more money for the LAF. ;)

"No Mulligans at Texas 10"

Hey! I resemble that remark! Nuyk, Nuyk, Nuyk! :)

Tom Mulligan

how bout getting Innova, Discraft, Millenium or Gateway to donate discs where the proceeds go straight to the charity?Kinda like the collector set you did last year.

Or what about raffles at more stops than the Final?

Or how bout auctions for the very first entry to the Finals? Then give a prize that goes with the entry. Like a CE Roc or another high demand disc. Just an idea.

Greetings all from my hermit cave in Burnet. :) Been out of touch for awhile, and I apologize to all.

I regret to have to tell everyone that due to some recent unforeseeable changes in my life, schedule and availability, I will be unable to fulfill my proposed schedule for the HCF Evolution Series presented by Discraft in the �04 season. It is with a great deal of disappointment that I was forced to arrive at this decision. This was certainly not the way I�d foreseen what I had hoped would be a breakout year for our little company.

However, the news for all our wonderful players is not bad in the least. I�m happy to announce that although HCF will no longer be handling these dates, they are being placed in the caring and qualified hands of the person who in my opinion is the number one TD in the state, Chris Himing.

Beginning with the Victoria Open, Feb. 21-22, Chris will be taking over most of my events this season. I�m sure you all will agree with me that this is a sure sign that these events will not suffer any kind of a drop off in quality, and may in fact be greatly improved. Chris will be making an announcement shortly regarding which events he will be running this year and all the great things he�ll have in store for us all in the coming season.

As of now, I am still planning to run the Lago Memorial Day Weekend event as an HCF event. More details will be made available regarding this blast of a tournament when they�re available.

I want to express my regret and deepest thanks to Keith Murray and all the folks working hard at our title sponsor, Discraft, who were so very supportive of HCF and of our concepts. There�s still not a better golf disc or a better disc golf company to work with than Discraft. Thanks guys.

I�d like to take an opportunity to extend a special thanks to all the folks that helped make our inaugural year such a great success and to assure them that this is not the end of Hill Country Flyers. Guaranteed! Y�all can�t get rid of me that easy. :)

I�d also like to make it clear to anyone who is still curious about the reasons for this, that this move is completely based on my life personally and is in no way a reflection of the state of the tournament scene in Texas, nor does it have anything to do with the PDGA. While its well known that I have been an outspoken critic of several issues regarding the PDGA, I�d like to make it crystal clear at this time, that its still the best organization we have and is worthy of your support. You can be a dissenting voice without removing your support of the governing body of our game. Since that is what I chose to do, I�d like it clear that dissent doesn�t mean abandonment.

Take care, all you great Tejas golfers, and I�ll see you on the course real soon. Who knows, maybe I�ll actually get to play a little this year.

Thanks again,

Mark Atwood
Hill Country Flyers

Mark,
We all appreciate the work and heart you have put in to disc golf in Texas. You will be truly missed as a TD and we will all be waiting for your return. Hope to see you on the course soon. Take care.

sorry about your situation mark..... :(


i won't have a chance to say i told you so now that you made me feel bad

glad you have chris handling things,it should go nicely to hold the dates for the future as i
hope you get back in again some day....keith

G�day Everyone,

It�s not long now before we kick off the 2004 tour. On February 28 the Ziegen Light Texas 10 Charity Tour will start back where it all began, in Lewisville. Be there for a big announcement that I will not mention until then. I guarantee it will bring a smile to everyone�s face.

Get a jump start on sharing in the $10,000 already added to the players tour bonus. Play just 4 of the first 9 Texas 10 events and your in the game to share in all that money. A great new program will also be announced soon for players that play approximately 5 or more events. Instead of just giving the winners of each points division one prize we will be rewarding points earners with discs. The more points you earn the more discs you will win. More news soon.

As many of you know I have taken over some extra PDGA events from Mark Atwood while he takes a break from TD�ing. These will not be �Texas 10� events but one and two day PDGA events run basically the same way as everything else I do.

I would love to have a few more volunteers and staff at all these events. If you would like to help in some small way please let me know.

Here is the upcoming schedule of events.

Feb 21-22 : Victoria Open
Feb 28 : Texas 10 Lewisville
March 20 : Texas 10 Wichita Falls
March 21 : Wichita Falls Open
March 27 : Gonzales Open

All these events are available to enter at http://www.titledisc.com or email me to receive an entry form or phone entry information.

Lots of new discs will be available with the new 2004 logo. We will also have Innova Discatcher baskets for ace run prizes at all of these events.

If you get a chance check out the 24 Hour Charity Marathon website at http://www.discgolfersforcancer.com This event is expected to be held in 50 to 100 cities all over the country. Let me know if you want to run an event at your course.

If you have any questions at all just check out the website at http://www.texas10tour.com or drop me an email.

Keep those entries coming and be there in Lewisville for that big announcement:)

Yours in Flight,
Chris


--
Chris Himing - Event Director
Ziegen Light Texas 10 Charity Tour
www.texas10tour.com (http://www.texas10tour.com)
[email protected]
Ph. 512-289-2299

I wonder what the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE? I think Chris should give a prize for whoever can guess what it will be.

I am guessing that the big announcement will be
drum roll

Lance Armstrong will be in attendance!!!! and play his first disc golf tournament.
:D

what's your guess??

Is his honey Sheryl Crow playing at the player's party?

I heard Chris was gonna add another zero to the ace. A $100,000 ace. Is that true Chris? ;)

Sounds good to me SeeWhere...lets see what I can do.

The person that guesses correctly what and when will happen will be given a 1st run CE Valkyrie at the first event. I will not be giving clues or say who won until the 1st event.

Let me call Lance and see what his schedule is :cool:
I would prefer Sandra over Sheryl.

If the ace gets that high I will play.

Go for it.
Chris

:D

I'll take my guess(es) on the big announcement - some serious, some fun

1) I really like one already guessed - That Lance will be in attendance - don't know about actually golfing - would that be Novice Masters :D

2) Brian Krell will finish his first tourney of 2004 w/o injury

3) Charles Cox will move up to Pro and still be called a "bagger"

4) The realease of another new Innova disc that is supposed to be between the Firebird, Tbird, Monster, Beast, Orc and Valkrie - it will be dubbed "THE MIDI" (Most Inbetween Disc from Innova"

5) Chris's accent will mysteriously dissapear

6) Ziegenbock Dry Ice Light for 2005 sponsorship

7) That we are only playing at the Lake Course ( please) even for the finals

8) That my doubles partner from OKC has registered for this event and will be playing - that one may actually happen

9) The Tee Pads at Lewisville will be expanded another 20 feet to accomodate those long run-up players

10 ) A CURE FOR CANCER HAS BEEN FOUND

Too funny Adam.

I want a first run CE VALK :D

1) Chris is getting married
2) Lance is the raffle person at the final
3) Adam has all the other good ones

My guess is that Chris found an additional sponsor.

Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money!!!

OOOOHHH - One more guess

We will start having Friday Night before the event Draw and/or Bring your own partner doubles?

Mini Golf - Nothing But Mini Golf. :D

And Charles learns to throw Valkyrie....

I don't think Charles can even spell Valkyrie :D

he does know F-I-R-E-B-I-R-D

apparently you can't spell Valkyrie either, lol

apparently you can't spell Valkyrie either, lol



I spelled it right there...probably not earlier LOL - I even checked the Innova site to make sure :D

Sounds good to me SeeWhere...lets see what I can do.

The person that guesses correctly what and when will happen will be given a 1st run CE Valkyrie at the first event. I will not be giving clues or say who won until the 1st event.

Let me call Lance and see what his schedule is :cool:
I would prefer Sandra over Sheryl.

If the ace gets that high I will play.

Go for it.
Chris



how long is this gonna hog up needed bandwidth?????
you need to put and ending on this one or it will turn out worse than the people guessing :D

by the way ......179
one person will drop out :D



see i already know the big announcement so i can't say anything else :D

That's a little boring Keith. This is much bigger than that.

Adam very funny, your good.

That CE Valkyrie is still safe...

sorry i've lost my amusement factor...
i'll just go sulk in the corner over here :(

The infamous TX10 threads need to be reset every few weeks. Just goes to show what an event this has become. 250 players in the finals last year. Now that is a full field.

Ohhh ...another guess...The Finals will be 4 rounds over 2 days?

Did anyone guess that atleast Lance would be a guest speaker at the 1st event? I am tired of scrolling up to look :D

okay I scrolled..it was guessed (just trying to get those posts up around Congers - :o

apparently you can't spell Valkyrie either, lol



I spelled it right there...probably not earlier LOL - I even checked the Innova site to make sure :D



Adam, you can't fool me with editing your post. I know you spelled it wrong. LOL!

Guilty as charged...I was "working"..give me a break... :D

How about we can use our points gained by attending TX 10 events to purchase discs, etc. :D So not only do the points winners get something but evryone can get something by supporting the ZLTX10 2K4 :D

Why not?

Ray

My guess is they are found another sponsor who is going to match the bonus so it'll be about $40k to start with. :) Something to make things worthwhile. :)

Prairie_dawg:

So not only do the points winners get something but evryone can get something



Chris Himing:

A great new program will also be announced soon for players that play approximately 5 or more events. Instead of just giving the winners of each points division one prize we will be rewarding points earners with discs. The more points you earn the more discs you will win. More news soon.



I'm thinking that there will be a lot of players getting plastic for points this year.

What tier is this A B C....are they still one day tourneys..... :confused:

None of the events are sanctioned except for the final and they are 1 day events

Come on out Coda and test the OPEN waters, take some cash and not have to worry about it :D

Hi Everyone. Just clarification a little on how the bonus money will work. Gary Duke will explain more later.

In order to play in the final event (PDGA sanctioned) and earn bonus money from that division you must have played at least 4 of the first 9 events in that division. Basiclly what this does is stop a person playing ADV all year then dropping to INT for the final and taking all the INT bonus money. Also the same if a person plays PRO all year then drops to ADV and walks away with all the ADV bonus money. You will however be able to move up a division and win the money.

I think that seems fair to everyone, don't you?

Jason, what's up...no guess at the big announcement (or did I tell you). Your phone will ring all day now

:cool:

No guesses from me, if I happened to be right everyone would think I had some kind of inside information :eek: Which they should know by now that I don't, the wife is another matter but she won't tell me anything :mad:

Okay here is my guess/suggestion: At every event, instead of the aussie stlye payout system, each cashing player will be given a credit voucher where prizes can either be selected at a later date or used as a gift certificate on the web site. No more 3 hour waits to choose your winnings!! :p

If Chris hadn't looked at me and said don't repeat this, then I'd tell you what the big announcement was. Suggice to say, its pretty big news, unless he's outdone himself yet again, which wouldn't really be much of a surprise.

Martin, if you still want to do TX States shoot me an e-mail [email protected]

So if you dont play 4 events than you cant play the A tier final

So if you dont play 4 events than you cant play the A tier final



No...if you don't play 4 events you don't get the bonus payout.
You just get the A-tier payout.

Hi Coda. No anyone can play the final even if they have not been to Texas 10 before. Look at Barry Shultz and all those guys last year. The reason to play in 4 events is to share in the $18,000 or so tour bonus...nothing that special :cool:

Thanks Kyle. I owe you a beer. I hope I out did myself.

Josh I am working on that system for the final event. I think I can make it work.

I can't wait to make the announcement. Let me just say I think it could be a bigger deal than the $10K added :D

Chris, I take it the 4 times in one division requirement also applies to master/open.

WHAT IS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough already. Please? :confused:

Hmmm...the Texas 10 embodies a lot of the same great qualities as the state it's named after...especially in the bigness of it. Big fields, big payouts, and even bigger fun.

Would an appearance by Lance be big? Sure it would be. Bigger than $10K added? Not in the eyes of most players I would argue (besides, one of my close friends is Lance's publicist, and he doesn't know about Lance making an appearance).

So, what would be a truly big announcement? I'm guessing more money added. So, the question to ask ourselves is "who in Texas is the most likely to align themselves with this tournament"?

From a pure financial perspective, Dell would be a logical choice. He has the moola. He�s a charitable guy. It would be a good way for one Austinite (M. Dell) to donate to another prominent Austinite�s charity (Armstrong).

After Dell, I would look at some of Lance�s endorsements�Subaru is making a push at the youthful, athletic, outdoor-adventure demographic. A good fit with the Disc Golf community. A really big deal would be Subaru presenting the winner of the A-tier Pro finale with a new Subaru Outback.

Lance also has big deals with Coca Cola (unlikely to sponsor a disc golf event), Nike (once they inevitably start creating their own line of PDGA approved discs�but not until then), and Power Bar (not likely�disc golf isn�t exactly an endurance sport).

So my guess is:

More money from either Dell or Subaru added to the purse.

disc golf isn�t exactly an endurance sport

It is when carrying you around the VET - LOL - Kidding of course..

I like the idea of a nice new vehicle for the winner or maybe the one who hits the ace - choice of cash or car

i think i have it, chris is either going to remove all the pictures of himself from t 10 web site or atwood is going to cash in novice and move up to am :D

Nah, Michael Dell keeps Vinnie, Chris, Eddie, Martin (as well as others) employed. That enough charity from one man. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

dell give to disc golf.... what an idea......
I've givin that a go before and .......NO

dell give to disc golf.... what an idea......
I've givin that a go before and .......NO



At least you've tried. How about to....? :D

i think i have it, chris is either going to remove all the pictures of himself from t 10 web site or atwood is going to cash in novice and move up to am :D



been there, done that. now i'm coming back to take a run at you and the rest of the old, crippled, beaten down, rode hard and put away wet, weenie armed, graybearded, middle aged crisis having, glory years reliving, "wish young girls still looked at me without having to put a dollar in their thong," zepplin concert going, can't hold their goldschlager Advanced Masters!

SMACK!

Zepplin concert going. I'm jealous.

*thread drift on*

hey rocco, where were you sunday? i seem to be in your area more often now. maybe we could go out to rotary park and get in a round. holla

*thread drift off*


don't be jealous of a bunch of ibuprofen swallowing, viagra poppin', support hose wearing, couldn't outdrive gary mcdaniel with a tail wind, might as well throw frisbees 'cause they can't use their dominant hand for what it was used for during their youth, only playing mm1 'cause there ain't no more mm2, "my daddy used to own a model T," old geezers.

Would have loved to come to the mini you held in Lago Sunday but the person who was going to let me crash at his crib after the icebowl was out of town so I had to come back to Temple early. As far as playing Rotary, you name the time and the place and i'll be there.

Oh yea. My guess for Chris' big announcement is that the $25,000 ace shot was matched and will now be a $50,000 ace shot.

yowsa marka, thats a lot of smack for someone who got trounced so badly by last year's MM1s that he had to retreat all the way back to REC!

the way you play, you are entirely correct calling yourself markA instead of markO :D:eek: :D

Come on up here this weekend Mark, I'll whup up on you at Veterans while the pro's are out playing at ZBoaz.

if mark shows up count me in gary :eek:

Gary, Frank, Martyr, let me know if you guys get together. I'll be in town, too. If you put up with Martyr, you can put up with me too.

All of you guys need to just play the open tournament at Z-Boaz with me. Ya'll aint' skeered are ya? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If any of you guys, Bobby L, etc., need a place to stay. Don and I have space.

you guys really coming to the vet on sunday? hope so... i think i'm running/helping run the mini... i'll be sure and put ya on seperate cards and try to start you all on like hole 11, 12, and 13 :D :D :D

fyi, the real action at the vet on sundays is in Open Master... it has been quite some time since there was a sunday Am Master group. and with a lot of the pros over at zboas, there's no reason to not be playing in a REAL division :D

pat, gary doesn't want any part of me :Dbut i'll play open with you, bobby, mark, even gary if he isn't to skeered :D

I was really thinking about Saturday, but we if the martyr can only make it on Sunday so be it. I was looking for something a little more 'just for fun' this weekend since I do have some responsibilities at Z Boaz though.

GnDuke

Marka you got mail.

come on over/up on satuday... my twin brother will be in town from tyler area... we can both whoop on ya'll at the V :p

is there a mini on saturday or just meeting to play? gary mcdaniel you lurker. why don't you show up to., need to talk to you about dubs.

Hey Frank, whassup with you lookin' for another mini for this Saturday? You getting tired of getting beat up on every week out at the Lake lately? :D

Actually, when you left early this past weekend, I shoulda been right behind ya.... it got ugly soon afterwards, and I shot one of my worst rounds in a loooong time. :confused:

heck no , just haven't got to play with pat and gary and mark in while. your a master come on out. plus i think i'll still make the lake. i can beat you twice in the same day :D

Now Frank, we covered this already... the Viagra will help you in other areas, but it won't make you any better at disc golf. :cool:

I'd love to shoot a round or two with you guys this weekend, but if it's going to be Sunday, no can do.... got a family birthday party to attend

i think that is whats up. pat or gary how about a time

Looking for any additional OMB's???

heck ya but i think pat and gary are getting scared with all of us talking about showing up :D

If Saturday, it has to be while the the players are out on the course. I need to be there before the the first round starts, and again sometime before the second round starts, and again after the round.

On Sunday, I just need to be there in the afternoon.

heck ya but i think pat and gary are getting scared with all of us talking about showing up :D



Frank,

Which Gary ya talkin about? :confused:

thanks for thinking of me, with what you guys have left of your feeble inoperative brain cells, but i'm a little busy this weekend. i would be more than happy to come show off my new game, (you know the one gary, that whooped up on you all day last time you drove south?), and i'll make a point to do that very soon.

btw, don't forget where you all parked.

frank, the LASTthing i am skeered of is you coming to the vet. sorry dude, i've only played 2 rounds at the vet since october, but i'll still whip ya - LEFTHANDED and WEARING SANDALS!

gnduke, name the time... sounds like 1-ish might work?

its gonna be chilly so i expect frankie and la marka will be afraid to light up their highbeams.

I'll try to sneak away for 1ish on Saturday.

Mr. Duke, I'll see you Saturday Morning @ the Mighty Z. I really didn't expect Martyr to make it, he's too scared. He lost a 50 the last time we played..... :cool:

probally both gary's :oso let me get this right, 1 p.m. the vet so far i'm gonna whoop gary d.and pat :Dryan and john what about you guys you in. gary mcdaniel where are you?marka beat the duke ? looks like gary will be dropping down :eek:

you haven't checked my rating lately have you ?

i'll be there at 1 tomorrow

Sorry Frank....oNow I only have time for the Lake on Saturday......maybe next time?

so is this on or not? duke sounds like a maybe, given the vagaries of his ZBoas schedule... la marka found an excuse... welsh is out... :confused:

i'm in for sure. gary said he's in at 1 p.m. i'm trading emails with john right now trying to talk him into a butt whoopin.bam bam speak up you in or not.pat is this a mini also at 1 p.m. or just us ombs meeting up?

I don't think I'll make it this Saturday, Frank... we have a dinner date with Mark Reddoch and his wife around 5:00pm.

Too bad, though... I'm sure I'd have fun whoopin' up on all you guys I'll be joinin' in Masters this year :D

Priceline.com, got a room in Wichita Falls for 35.00 a night.

no mini... strictly pick up match. vet mini's are at 10am sunday morning

dangit, i do so hate to miss a chance to whup up on frank and gary at the same time.

oh well, i'm preparing for the invasion of a 2nd grade girls sleepover. what fun! sheesh!

Good luck, hope you survive the weekend with the few wits you still have.

at least the few wits i have left are razor sharp. :)

besides, i've already been informed by the squid and her friends, "you have to leave us alone for at least a little while 'cause you're a boy."

fine by me. :)

y'all geezers have fun and don't forget to wear thermal support hose. except for pat, with those bird legs it wouldn't be a good look. :)

IS THIS THE AARP THREAD? :D

:D:p

so sayeth future message board hall of fame 1st ballot lock - mark a - #1 poster of all time



la marka obviously believes that the more ya post, the better poster ya are... this should be no surprise - he applies the same philosophy to his golf game! :D

o.k let me get this right, myself, pat, gary duke are the only ones showing up at 1 p.m.mark is hiding behind his daughter,bam bam behind date, john just whoosin cause he knows i'll be there :Dfrank will be there at 1 p.m. hole 1 and i'll kick any ombs [*****] with the koo hoonies to show up :Dadam you shut up, get your own thread :Dgary watts and jack tabor where are your lame asses at for tom. :D:D:D:Dpat you never know we could be starting a trad. here

frank dorsett will be the omb champion of the vet as of tomorrow ;) ;) ;) ;) nobody will beat me.stay tuned for the scores to follow.. as for the omb poontangs that don't show up on hole 1 at 1 your poontangs :eek: :eek: :eek:

almost correct... sandalTwin will be in the house.. but he sucks, so no fear about him. (he doesnt wear sandals, ya see).

c u @ 1

well i'm going to bed now, but tom. me first, pat second, gary a distant third. :Dall other omb [*****] worse than last :D:D:D:D1 p.m. the vet

9pm???...don't make me send Mr. Krell after you ...maybe the two of you can finish a days worth of golfing :D

You rotten kids stay off my lawn.

When I was your age the course was 3 miles uphill both ways.

okay, tee off of the great omb battle of the vet starts in 1 minute

can we expect live time scoring? hole by hole updates? color analysis?

my money's on sandalman, since i'm not there. gnduke 2nd, everyone else except frank 3rd-whatever, frankiepoo - DFL! :)

la marka obviously believes that the more ya post, the better poster ya are... this should be no surprise - he applies the same philosophy to his golf game! :D



actually pb, in considering entrance to any hall of fame, a certain transcendant quality must exist in the potential candidate in question. numbers and stats alone cannot truly indicate the level of a player's skills.

so, with a poster like myself, having the best stats of all time is simply a bonus, when considered as merely a part of the body of my excellent work. thus the 1st ballot lock. :)

and the winner is? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

mark should i post the winner yet, or leave you hanging?

o.k i'll go ahead and post em. as usual mark missed this one like his putts and drives :eek: frank the omb champ gary and pat tied for second mike coming on strong at the end for fourth. frank is the undisputed omb champ until the next vet omb shootout :D:D:D:Dmark you should of made the trip we had three good looking ladies tagging along with us. they would have been senitive to your struggle to keep up with some real golfers :D:D:D

yes, its true... after spotting frankie with a 4 on 2, a 5 on 3, and a 6 in 5 (!!!), i just couldnt ketch up. altho frank's 4 on 18 did allow gary and i to pull within 1.

it was fun, and congrats to frank for finding a way to win!

(apologies to the T10 for the thread hijacking.)

:D:D:D:Dmark you should of made the trip we had three good looking ladies tagging along with us. they would have been senitive to your struggle to keep up with some real golfers :D:D:D



actually frankie, i'm doing alright there, but thanks for thinking of me. :)

wow, the one time i give pat credit and i get let down. you can't even beat dorsett for me. i mean, i've already put a hurting on gary this year, but i was counting on you to smack frankie around for me. i even picked you in a public forum. what a disappointment.

congrats frank. wish i coulda been there. :)

and now back to your regularly scheduled ZLT10CT talk.

i can't wait for #1 in lewisville this year, since it'll be my 1st foray back into the mm1 division in quite a while. the lake course is never kind to me, but i will cash in #1 this year.

action? takers? smartass bets of how many birdies/bogies/strokes over par?

how many birdies/bogies/strokes over par?


All of this talk, and you are still putting the over/under line above par at the Lake and LL ?

I thought you said you were good now.

you edited the quote, i see. :)

i said "smartass" action on that sort of thing. seems i always serve as a source of amusement, so i figured if anyone wanted to take the chance that i still would, they're welcomed to it. ill advised, but welcomed.

mark you were sucking when you went to novice :Dyou will suck even worse back with mm1 :Dso i say 6 over at the lake and 8 over at ll woods :Donce sucky always sucky :Dyou suck you always will suck you just suck you ******* :D:D:D:D

I say 6 down for the day. Get there the best way you can

hey all those blank spots had smiley faces :D:D:D

doh!!!!!! what's going on here they were not there a second ago

Don't freak out, Frank. All of your smiley faces are there. :)

Have another shot Frank :D

Looking forward to seeing you in 3 weeks. I will let you know my projected score for you and Mark after his effort in Victoria.

Chris... I am wondering if you will be there at Lake Park on Feb 27th by chance? Cuz I would like to sign up and pay while I pracitce on that day. Thanks.

okay, that's a lot of room to work with.

Frank - +14
Gary D. - -6

got a nice color stamped clear z-wasp for a correct guess. :)

Mark +4,for the day.Hopefully you didnt learn to putt :D.

but i have casey. :)

whether or not i can do it at the lake remains to be seen, though. :)

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Hey Frank, sounds like yer "Da Man" after this weekend, eh? :p

When you're ready to put your new Veteran's "title" on the line, just let me know, and I'll be happy to meet you out there and show ya just how bad this new OMB is gonna whoop yer tail all year long. Heck, to make it fun for ya, I'll even give you 4 strokes to start off with.... I figure it shouldn't take me longer than the front nine to get those back from ya. :D

well, he's a "a" man (we think), but i wouldn't say "da man."

what were the actual scores marky marka?

I haven't played the vet in two years, but I will take the four strokes......Mark, let me know when you are coming to Lewisville...........we be playin'......good to see ya back with the OMB'S

sorry john, wasn't there so i can't tell ya the scores. i do know that after sacrficing virgins and other ceremonies that involved live chickens, frankiepoo somehow managed to win.

can't wait to be back on the omb cards. see ya at the lake. i'll holla if i come in before then. :)