Could be a Millenium MS

I recall someone describing a beadless Roc Innova makes for a different brand, but I don't remember what disc he was talking about. What disc fits that description and how does it fly compared to a beaded Roc; or a Shark?



Probably the MD-1. It flies like a cross between a Cucamonga and Ontario Roc. The Aurora MS is also similar and flies more like a Shark.

Pro ORC's Please. My Son loves them, he has to in his bag. back ups are hard to find. Please for the children and the big kids as well.

Dave do you guys look at other companies discs to see what they are doing or anything you can improve on?? I know you always say that you have never thrwon this or that cause it is not Innova but come on you need to know what the competition is doing??

You betta Rekongize...
Your talkin to the Innovator not one of the doo-plicators :eek: :D:eek:

You betta Rekongize...
Your talkin to the Innovator not one of the doo-plicators :eek: :D:eek:



Yeah I know but I like a Z Flick and Z Wasp. Now a Z wasp is a Champ Roc which you cant buy cheap and a Z Flick I am not sure that Innova has anything to match now the rest of my 20 discs in my bag or innova, but I am just asking?

You betta Rekongize...
Your talkin to the Innovator not one of the doo-plicators :eek: :D:eek:



Yeah I know but I like a Z Flick and Z Wasp. Now a Z wasp is a Champ Roc which you cant buy cheap and a Z Flick I am not sure that Innova has anything to match now the rest of my 20 discs in my bag or innova, but I am just asking?



I really can't answer without sounding wrong. But I can tell you that we do look at other companies materials and decorations.

Like maybe having some Innova flag banners carried by folks this year during the final holes at the USDGC?? :eek: :)

So are they going to make normal runs of champion destroyers in october?

You betta Rekongize...
Your talkin to the Innovator not one of the doo-plicators :eek: :D:eek:



Yeah I know but I like a Z Flick and Z Wasp. Now a Z wasp is a Champ Roc which you cant buy cheap and a Z Flick I am not sure that Innova has anything to match now the rest of my 20 discs in my bag or innova, but I am just asking?



I really can't answer without sounding wrong. But I can tell you that we do look at other companies materials and decorations.



Thank you sir that was all I was looking 4!!! I just wanted to know that you were doing all that u can to make the better disc!!

Is there a reason that the DiscCarrier looks and is designed so much like a Gorilla Boy bag?

Just curious...

First the Competition Bag looked way similiar to a Silverback and now the DiscCarrier looks an awful lot like a Kong...

I throw Innova and respect Innova a ton, but man, this sure looks like taking somebody else's idea and making it your own... funny I remember hearing about huge hub-bub about patents and intellectual property back in the day...

People can compare for themselves...

http://dealer.innovadiscs.com/

vs.

http://gorilla-boy.com/

One bag looking like another bag can be a fluke, but when it looks like just moving down the product line with a near duplication... that's just interesting...

Anyway... love what you guys are doing with the discs...

i saw some glow dx ontario rocs at a local retailer that had an old stamp from 1989 i think. I assume these were just run, dave, how many were made?

say what you will about the competition bag looking like something else, but that new innova bag just looks like a competition bag with bigger side pockets...

hi Dave--any time estimate on dx cros?

hi Dave--any time estimate on dx cros?



Probably a couple of weeks. We are finishing the run in few days. We have to ship to the East coast, stamp, and then we're good to go.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.

Not sure if you did, but if not, care to talk about the Star Cobra? These staying CFR or going mainstream?

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D

I hope Innova makes a Turbo Putt clone. :p

Not sure if you did, but if not, care to talk about the Star Cobra? These staying CFR or going mainstream?



They're staying CFR for now.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.


:D YAY! I have dreams about a Super Puppy/Shuttle Puppy in Gummy STAR plastic!

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.



I still dream of Kitty Hawks in Ben Wal Plastic....too bad that mold fell off Ed's truck.. :( Or is it older school than that???

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.


Whats the point when the Small Bead Aviar is PERFECTION? ... ... Oh wait, you scrapped that in favor of beadless :(

Apple

I have a slightly chaulky reddish star orc. The color bleeds on to my hands. I guess it can't be called mint (though it has not been thrown) due to the fact the color changes every time it is touched. Any idea why this is happening?

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.


Whats the point when the Small Bead Aviar is PERFECTION? ... ... Oh wait, you scrapped that in favor of beadless :(



In star or Champion plastic ;) :D :eek:
http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc_eng.aspx?DiscId=1674

Is a glow wraith available? Will a glow wraith be made?

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.


Whats the point when the Small Bead Aviar is PERFECTION? ... ... Oh wait, you scrapped that in favor of beadless :(



In star or Champion plastic ;) :D :eek:
http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc_eng.aspx?DiscId=1674


That would be sweet Kjell. I get all <font color="red"> tingle-y </font> just thinking about that possibility...but I'd rather have a 70-mold.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.



I still dream of Kitty Hawks in Ben Wal Plastic....too bad that mold fell off Ed's truck.. :( Or is it older school than that???



That's not old school in my book. Wham-0 is old school.

I have a slightly chaulky reddish star orc. The color bleeds on to my hands. I guess it can't be called mint (though it has not been thrown) due to the fact the color changes every time it is touched. Any idea why this is happening?



That does happen occasionally. I think it happens when the molders use too much color and it bleeds out. If it happens for any other reason, or combination of reasons, (such as being in a hot place for a period of time), I don't know. It has happened with yellow, gold, red, and purple, as I remember.

Is a glow wraith available? Will a glow wraith be made?



I don't recall if we have made glow Wraiths yet. We will, if we haven't.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.



I still dream of Kitty Hawks in Ben Wal Plastic....too bad that mold fell off Ed's truck.. :( Or is it older school than that???



That's not old school in my book. Wham-0 is old school.


70 Mold - anything bigger might not fit in the Competition Bag.

I have a slightly chaulky reddish star orc. The color bleeds on to my hands. I guess it can't be called mint (though it has not been thrown) due to the fact the color changes every time it is touched. Any idea why this is happening?



That does happen occasionally. I think it happens when the molders use too much color and it bleeds out. If it happens for any other reason, or combination of reasons, (such as being in a hot place for a period of time), I don't know. It has happened with yellow, gold, red, and purple, as I remember.



I am not too cranky about it. I am curious to see how it changes over time. I got it when they first came out and it has been in the house since. I guess I will wash it for a while,it has a rainbow stamp I don't want to wipe off.

I have a slightly chaulky reddish star orc. The color bleeds on to my hands. I guess it can't be called mint (though it has not been thrown) due to the fact the color changes every time it is touched. Any idea why this is happening?



That does happen occasionally. I think it happens when the molders use too much color and it bleeds out. If it happens for any other reason, or combination of reasons, (such as being in a hot place for a period of time), I don't know. It has happened with yellow, gold, red, and purple, as I remember.



I am not too cranky about it. I am curious to see how it changes over time. I got it when they first came out and it has been in the house since. I guess I will wash it for a while,it has a rainbow stamp I don't want to wipe off.




Do you feel a special bond with the disc now, as if it has become part of you? That would be sweeeeeettt. ;)

No nothing like that. My little girl spent some time washing it and it now has a really cool looking redish marbled look.

dave it has been a while since innova released a putter/ short range disc is anything in the works?



Yes.



I hope it's kinda old school, like the Shuttle Puppy... :D



Older school than that.



I still dream of Kitty Hawks in Ben Wal Plastic....too bad that mold fell off Ed's truck.. :( Or is it older school than that???



That's not old school in my book. Wham-0 is old school.



Well basically it is a Wham-O disc :), but I understand what you mean ;)

Dave,

I'm looking at a CE Valk that someone claims to be a 2nd run. It's opaque white and has flashing all the way around. It just doesn't seem as FLAT as I was expecting. Which run did you guys stop leaving the flashing on (or start removing it)?

I searched the discussion but failed to find my answer. If any CE Valk experts have a thought to add, I'd apprecite it. I know I can throw it to find out but since it's MINT I don't plan on it.

Other random info that some seem to think is important. VK and weight written inside the cricle on back. Nipple is cut close.

Thanks in advance!

p.s. Can I send in some of my used CE plastic to be melted down and made into new discs? :D

-MADMAX

FWIW, of my (2) 2nd run Valks (157g &amp; 173g), the lighter is not nearly as flat as the heavier 'pancake'. What's the weight?

How long have Dragons been solid as rocks and looked like champ plastic? I got this thing last week just for the fact that it looked... different. And it is just so **** solid, I could kill a man with this thing.

How long these been out? Why are they so **** solid all of a sudden?



Not sure how to answer this. The Dragon is not supposed to be any stiffer than other golf discs. It is a type of DX.



I came on here to ask the same question. I have bought about 5 dragons and all of them are very hard and shinny. I recently found a older looking dragon that feels just like every other dx disc I have had. It is dull in shine, grippy, and very flexible. The new dragons I have purchased have poor grip and are very hard. They beat up very quickly too. I play a course here that has a lot of water and use the dragon a lot. I would hate to loose this grippy one I have found. Any chance the new dragons are going to be soft again. Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?

Thank god! I thought I was going insane! The dragon I have is an obscenely bright pink, incredibly solid almost to the point of being something I'd dare say shouldn't be legal (I think I could crack a car window easy). They're almost translucent. And it sounds like you're knocking on a door when you give it a nice rap.

My old ones were softer, more durable (these are solid, but anything sharp gouges them), and had a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better grip. The only positive to these new ones is the added high speed stability, which I do like as compared to the old ones which were far more flippy.

It is almost like a disc made of the center plastic in the QuestAT Odyssey line.

How long have Dragons been solid as rocks and looked like champ plastic? I got this thing last week just for the fact that it looked... different. And it is just so **** solid, I could kill a man with this thing.

How long these been out? Why are they so **** solid all of a sudden?



Not sure how to answer this. The Dragon is not supposed to be any stiffer than other golf discs. It is a type of DX.



I came on here to ask the same question. I have bought about 5 dragons and all of them are very hard and shinny. I recently found a older looking dragon that feels just like every other dx disc I have had. It is dull in shine, grippy, and very flexible. The new dragons I have purchased have poor grip and are very hard. They beat up very quickly too. I play a course here that has a lot of water and use the dragon a lot. I would hate to loose this grippy one I have found. Any chance the new dragons are going to be soft again. Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?



We are currently running Dragons which are normal feeling, not stiff. We don't have any current plans for another water discs. We actually made some floating 135g Destroyers. They were fast but didn't fly as well as we wanted.

Dave,

I'm looking at a CE Valk that someone claims to be a 2nd run. It's opaque white and has flashing all the way around. It just doesn't seem as FLAT as I was expecting. Which run did you guys stop leaving the flashing on (or start removing it)?

I searched the discussion but failed to find my answer. If any CE Valk experts have a thought to add, I'd apprecite it. I know I can throw it to find out but since it's MINT I don't plan on it.

Other random info that some seem to think is important. VK and weight written inside the cricle on back. Nipple is cut close.

Thanks in advance!

p.s. Can I send in some of my used CE plastic to be melted down and made into new discs? :D

-MADMAX



The 2nd run Valks are misrepresented on a regular basis. Just because a Valk is flat means very little. Generally speaking CE Valks are quite flat and domey ones are less common. The easiest way to identify the second runs other than being Really flat is by the plastic type in combination with a very pronounced nipple. The 3rd run Valks are often confused with second runs because they are also really flat and have a similiar opaque plastic but they don't have the large nipple. Many of these I've seen are yellow and feel really "thin" compared to the later runs. Hope that helps a little.

How long have Dragons been solid as rocks and looked like champ plastic? I got this thing last week just for the fact that it looked... different. And it is just so **** solid, I could kill a man with this thing.

How long these been out? Why are they so **** solid all of a sudden?



Not sure how to answer this. The Dragon is not supposed to be any stiffer than other golf discs. It is a type of DX.



I came on here to ask the same question. I have bought about 5 dragons and all of them are very hard and shinny. I recently found a older looking dragon that feels just like every other dx disc I have had. It is dull in shine, grippy, and very flexible. The new dragons I have purchased have poor grip and are very hard. They beat up very quickly too. I play a course here that has a lot of water and use the dragon a lot. I would hate to loose this grippy one I have found. Any chance the new dragons are going to be soft again. Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?



We are currently running Dragons which are normal feeling, not stiff. We don't have any current plans for another water discs. We actually made some floating 135g Destroyers. They were fast but didn't fly as well as we wanted.




Is there anyway to get one or two of these 135 gram destroyers?

You'll probably find them on Ebay in a few weeks for around $400. :o

Is there anyway to get one or two of these 135 gram destroyers?



Not yet. Not until we make them right.

dx i assume?

dx i assume?



Mostly. Some were non driver pro type material.

dx i assume?



Mostly. Some were non driver pro type material.



Like KC Roc and Aviar plastic? That would be great!

How long have Dragons been solid as rocks and looked like champ plastic? I got this thing last week just for the fact that it looked... different. And it is just so **** solid, I could kill a man with this thing.

How long these been out? Why are they so **** solid all of a sudden?



Not sure how to answer this. The Dragon is not supposed to be any stiffer than other golf discs. It is a type of DX.



I came on here to ask the same question. I have bought about 5 dragons and all of them are very hard and shinny. I recently found a older looking dragon that feels just like every other dx disc I have had. It is dull in shine, grippy, and very flexible. The new dragons I have purchased have poor grip and are very hard. They beat up very quickly too. I play a course here that has a lot of water and use the dragon a lot. I would hate to loose this grippy one I have found. Any chance the new dragons are going to be soft again. Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?



We are currently running Dragons which are normal feeling, not stiff. We don't have any current plans for another water discs. We actually made some floating 135g Destroyers. They were fast but didn't fly as well as we wanted.



Okay I asked this same question (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&amp;Number=602978&amp;Searchp age=0&amp;Main=460579&amp;Search=true&amp;#Post602978) almost a year ago and I got a different response. Just to jog the memory:



I recently purchased a 174g Hydra. Are there any plans to make either the Dragon or another driver as heavy as the Hydra, while still being able to float?



Yes, but we haven't gotten to it yet.



Could you please explain the confusion? :confused:

How long have Dragons been solid as rocks and looked like champ plastic? I got this thing last week just for the fact that it looked... different. And it is just so **** solid, I could kill a man with this thing.

How long these been out? Why are they so **** solid all of a sudden?



Not sure how to answer this. The Dragon is not supposed to be any stiffer than other golf discs. It is a type of DX.



I came on here to ask the same question. I have bought about 5 dragons and all of them are very hard and shinny. I recently found a older looking dragon that feels just like every other dx disc I have had. It is dull in shine, grippy, and very flexible. The new dragons I have purchased have poor grip and are very hard. They beat up very quickly too. I play a course here that has a lot of water and use the dragon a lot. I would hate to loose this grippy one I have found. Any chance the new dragons are going to be soft again. Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?



Oh man ... that'd be faaaantastic! I *need* a floater disc that is more stable/overstable than the Dragon. :cool:

Better yet, any chance of making a floating orc, or teerex even if it had to weigh 150?


I throw a 148g-150g DX TeeRexes (and used to throw 150-152g Ch. Orcs) but, alas, they don't float.

We are currently running Dragons which are normal feeling, not stiff. We don't have any current plans for another water discs. We actually made some floating 135g Destroyers. They were fast but didn't fly as well as we wanted.



Okay I asked this same question (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&amp;Number=602978&amp;Searchp age=0&amp;Main=460579&amp;Search=true&amp;#Post602978) almost a year ago and I got a different response. Just to jog the memory:



I recently purchased a 174g Hydra. Are there any plans to make either the Dragon or another driver as heavy as the Hydra, while still being able to float?



Yes, but we haven't gotten to it yet.



Could you please explain the confusion? :confused:



We tried the heavier driver disc and it didn't work. We have no current plans to try another. If some inspiration hits, I'll try it. But I don't expect any inspiration at this point. I will try to make the light Destroyers (135 gms) again when I can. I expect they will float in water.

We tried the heavier driver disc and it didn't work. We have no current plans to try another. If some inspiration hits, I'll try it. But I don't expect any inspiration at this point. I will try to make the light Destroyers (135 gms) again when I can. I expect they will float in water.



If you guys did figure out a way to make a stable floater around here I think you would sell on ton of them. Anybody who has played Trojan park in Oregon knows what I am talking about.

Trojan Park Map (http://www.discgolfdepot.com/photogallery/photo.htm)

West Lake in Davenport needs a full set of water discs.

West Lake could definitely use some water discs. I have many requests for something other than the dragon that floats.

We tried the heavier driver disc and it didn't work. We have no current plans to try another. If some inspiration hits, I'll try it. But I don't expect any inspiration at this point. I will try to make the light Destroyers (135 gms) again when I can. I expect they will float in water.



If you guys did figure out a way to make a stable floater around here I think you would sell on ton of them. Anybody who has played Trojan park in Oregon knows what I am talking about.

Trojan Park Map (http://www.discgolfdepot.com/photogallery/photo.htm)



Oh gosh yes! I think you'd sell a ton of them around here too. The local shop sells out of Dragons almost as soon as they get them in ... I've been trying to buy one for two weeks now. They're supposed to get some more in next week. And I have no doubt that a more stable floater would be in even more demand. I know I'd pick up a few as soon as they were available.

dave,
i saw where pro destroyers are going to be available at some tournaments coming up, when are the plans to run them in normal runs?? i need several. ASAP.
-ben

what plastic was the 135 gram floating destroyer??

dave,
i saw where pro destroyers are going to be available at some tournaments coming up, when are the plans to run them in normal runs?? i need several. ASAP.
-ben



As soon as we can. Probably within a couple of months. They will be available next year if not sooner in normal distribution.

what plastic was the 135 gram floating destroyer??



Pro putter plastic ala JK Aviar and Pro Rhyno.

West Lake in Davenport needs a full set of water discs.



There isnt water in the fairway.

Probably been asked...but will there be a DX Cro?
Thanks.

Probably been asked...but will there be a DX Cro?
Thanks.



Yes. Already made. Releasing in two weeks, I believe.

i saw some glow dx ontario rocs at a local retailer that had an old stamp from 1989 i think. I assume these were just run, dave, how many were made?



were these run again?

i saw some glow dx ontario rocs at a local retailer that had an old stamp from 1989 i think. I assume these were just run, dave, how many were made?



were these run again?



If you're asking if they've been run recently, no. We ran glo Ranchos this time.

i saw some glow dx ontario rocs at a local retailer that had an old stamp from 1989 i think. I assume these were just run, dave, how many were made?



were these run again?



Some Glow Ontario Rocs were hot stamped with a vintage "Throw to Glow" stamp. These are the same Glow Ontarios that were produced earlier this year. I do not know how many were stamped.

I'm pretty sure the fundraiser Glo Rocs at our tourney this weekend were Ontario.
Are the CFR champ Gators just out Gator-x? They seemed a little domey.
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure the fundraiser Glo Rocs at our tourney this weekend were Ontario.
Are the CFR champ Gators just out Gator-x? They seemed a little domey.
Thanks.



Yes, the Champ Gators are X type.

Are the CFR champ Gators just out Gator-x? They seemed a little domey.
Thanks.



The recent Gator-X's are domey and not nearly as stable.

huge bummer. these are bread and butter for me and i am down to 2. Dave--any insight as to when the next run will be and if they will be flatter? i need a slow no-glide overstable mid, please don't make me corrupt my bag w/ another companie's disc. [demon, drone]

My Gator-X (bought a few months ago on discgolfvalues.com) is incredibly over-stable.

I've have two socal stamped ones that I got from Mark that were domey. I'll trade you them Matt if you want em. Luckily someone hooked me up with a first run and another local golfer returned my lost one. The later being a year old at least, both being very flat.

huge bummer. these are bread and butter for me and i am down to 2. Dave--any insight as to when the next run will be and if they will be flatter? i need a slow no-glide overstable mid, please don't make me corrupt my bag w/ another companie's disc. [demon, drone]



I looked at a couple of the recent run. They do seem a little domey compared to the Star Gators, but I just test flew a clear yellow 175gm with Steve Wisecup, and it is definitely overstable. It's odd that they would be anything but overstable as it is the X mold, which is more overstable than the original Gator. There is a possibility that the unstable one is a fluke, or from the earlier mold (not X). The newer mold has a flatter nose and should be fairly easily discernable from the old.

Dave,
I know there was some talk earlier in this thread, but where can I find the black KC aviars?

thanks Dave--I will buy a couple new ones and try them. so, to be clear, are there now 3 gator molds? the original, L-type [star], and now x? how does the X differ from the original? and what are your predictions for future runs of the gator in all 3 plastics? Love the [original] gator in dx and champ. Thanks again--steven

Dave,

I just recently had to retire my third JK Aviar-X in 18 months because of a crack in the flight plate. I never threw any of the three for any type of shots except for putts within 30-40 feet, so I know it's not an impact issue. The crack happens to be where I usually rest my thumb. I know it is likely just a wear-and-tear issue, but I have many other discs that I have had for much longer that do not show the same type of wear. Is this just an issue with the composition of the JK plastic itself? Have you seen or heard of other examples of this issue? Thanks.

Steven,
The Johnny Roberts Memorial in Arvada Colorado has the Champ Gators as fundraisers for the tournament. Check out Milehighdiscgolf.org you can buy one off of the TD's Jeff Martin and Tom Hamilton.

Peace
Scott

Dave,
I know there was some talk earlier in this thread, but where can I find the black KC aviars?



I don't know of any specific dealer, but they are still in stock so any retailer could order.

thanks Dave--I will buy a couple new ones and try them. so, to be clear, are there now 3 gator molds? the original, L-type [star], and now x? how does the X differ from the original? and what are your predictions for future runs of the gator in all 3 plastics? Love the [original] gator in dx and champ. Thanks again--steven



The original mold is the big bead. The L-type (Star) is X-mold with L bevel. The Champion (new) is X mold with big bead. Future runs should be all X mold with big bead for Champion and DX, and L for Star. All subject to review. The X mold has a blunter nose.

Dave,

I just recently had to retire my third JK Aviar-X in 18 months because of a crack in the flight plate. I never threw any of the three for any type of shots except for putts within 30-40 feet, so I know it's not an impact issue. The crack happens to be where I usually rest my thumb. I know it is likely just a wear-and-tear issue, but I have many other discs that I have had for much longer that do not show the same type of wear. Is this just an issue with the composition of the JK plastic itself? Have you seen or heard of other examples of this issue? Thanks.



No, I haven't heard of any issues of that type let alone 3. I myself used JKs for a few years and never had any issue whatsoever. Which issue is it? 4X 5X ? Very soft, medium, stiff?

Dave...I have a question for you on the new runs of the 12x Aviars. I was out throwing in the field today with a couple of brand new 12x's and they are like throwing a rhyno or a bulldog. They have no glide and are rather overstable pigs for putters. So when I got home I compared them to my 11x's and noticed the bottom half of the nose is kind of flat on the 12x's where as my 11x's are rounded all the way. Was this done intentionally? Also...any reason why the new 12x's are some piggishly overstable for a putter?

Dave,

I just recently had to retire my third JK Aviar-X in 18 months because of a crack in the flight plate. I never threw any of the three for any type of shots except for putts within 30-40 feet, so I know it's not an impact issue. The crack happens to be where I usually rest my thumb. I know it is likely just a wear-and-tear issue, but I have many other discs that I have had for much longer that do not show the same type of wear. Is this just an issue with the composition of the JK plastic itself? Have you seen or heard of other examples of this issue? Thanks.



No, I haven't heard of any issues of that type let alone 3. I myself used JKs for a few years and never had any issue whatsoever. Which issue is it? 4X 5X ? Very soft, medium, stiff?



All three were 4x JKs. Of all the JK Aviars I have seen, I would classify them as medium-to-stiff. Like I said originally, I admit that my own OCD makes me grip the disc in the same place every time, probably putting repetitive stress on the same spot over and over. However, I don't "gorilla-grip" the disc, especially when I putt, so I was surprised when this happened.

While I have your attention, Dave, could you also send me a PM hen you get a chance? I need contact info for whomever I need to speak with regarding a problem with one of the tear-prone Tour bags. Thanks.

Dave...I have a question for you on the new runs of the 12x Aviars. I was out throwing in the field today with a couple of brand new 12x's and they are like throwing a rhyno or a bulldog. They have no glide and are rather overstable pigs for putters. So when I got home I compared them to my 11x's and noticed the bottom half of the nose is kind of flat on the 12x's where as my 11x's are rounded all the way. Was this done intentionally? Also...any reason why the new 12x's are some piggishly overstable for a putter?



The KCs have always been driver mold Aviars, which are supposed to be stable to overstable. Generally, the flatter the KC, the more overstable. The latest two runs of KCs were a new formula, so that may have had something to do with it. Nothing we did purposefully on the nose.

It's all good Dave. I pretty much only use the 12x's for putting now. The 9x's thru 11x's are for approaches and short range drives.

My Aviar 12x's seem a bit domey and the plasitc is slicker compared to the 11x... Is that intentional?

Dave,

Have you responded to the "What is the most overstable disc out there?" thread?

Is so, or if not, what is your opinion?

My Aviar 12x's seem a bit domey and the plasitc is slicker compared to the 11x... Is that intentional?



The slicker part is not intentional, but the domey is. However, I believe the black ones came out rather flat.

Dave,

Have you responded to the "What is the most overstable disc out there?" thread?

Is so, or if not, what is your opinion?



No, and I really don't know, but I would guess the most overstable disc we make is a Viper X or Whippet X. If we made a Ram X, that would be it.

Dave,

Have you responded to the "What is the most overstable disc out there?" thread?

Is so, or if not, what is your opinion?



No, and I really don't know, but I would guess the most overstable disc we make is a Viper X or Whippet X. If we made a Ram X, that would be it.



o wow...please do it, maybe in gummy star plastic too?

Dave when you guys do first runs how many are usually printed when you do it?

Dave,

Have you responded to the "What is the most overstable disc out there?" thread?

Is so, or if not, what is your opinion?



No, and I really don't know, but I would guess the most overstable disc we make is a Viper X or Whippet X. If we made a Ram X, that would be it.



Waiting patiently for that Star Viper...

Dave when you guys do first runs how many are usually printed when you do it?



It used to be around 2500, now it's close to 4000.

Dave,
I heard a rumor that Champion plastic was going to be discontinued, but last I read in here, it was Pro plastic being phased out (to Millennium). I love my Champion plastic over Pro and Star, so I was pretty shocked when I heard that.

Could you clear this up?
Thanks!

____
EDIT: Also, if either Pro or Champion is on the outs, will it affect the Star blend?

Neither Champion nor Pro plastic are being phased out. Pro was being phased out, but a new source was found.

So ... PRO ORC's are coming back right? ;)

Neither Champion nor Pro plastic are being phased out. Pro was being phased out, but a new source was found.


Great news, thanks!

Dave,

Have you responded to the "What is the most overstable disc out there?" thread?

Is so, or if not, what is your opinion?



No, and I really don't know, but I would guess the most overstable disc we make is a Viper X or Whippet X. If we made a Ram X, that would be it.



Waiting patiently for that Star Viper...



...as am I.

I have some brand new CFR Champion Vipers. Blue, max weight at 181, Labor Day Luau Stamp. If anyone is interested...

So rumor has it that George Lucas has a problem with Innova calling the new driver the "star destroyer", and that Innova is supposed to change the name... I heard this from a very reliable source but was just checking the validity of his statement. Whats the word Dave?

George Lucas has probably never heard of Disc Golf....this is ludacris.

So rumor has it that George Lucas has a problem with Innova calling the new driver the "star destroyer", and that Innova is supposed to change the name... I heard this from a very reliable source but was just checking the validity of his statement. Whats the word Dave?



Your source is apparently not that reliable.

So rumor has it that George Lucas has a problem with Innova calling the new driver the "star destroyer", and that Innova is supposed to change the name... I heard this from a very reliable source but was just checking the validity of his statement. Whats the word Dave?



Your source is apparently not that reliable.



Dave,
What is a Destroyer? Is there an animal representation for the Destoryer?
Just curious.

This, my friend, is a Destroyer:
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/kiss.jpg

And the animal representation of the Destroyer is this:
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/cn.jpg

Well that solves that... thank you Dave!

So rumor has it that George Lucas has a problem with Innova calling the new driver the "star destroyer", and that Innova is supposed to change the name... I heard this from a very reliable source but was just checking the validity of his statement. Whats the word Dave?



Your source is apparently not that reliable.



Seriously.



I hear Marvel Comics is getting on the bandwagon over the Beast...

So rumor has it that George Lucas has a problem with Innova calling the new driver the "star destroyer", and that Innova is supposed to change the name... I heard this from a very reliable source but was just checking the validity of his statement. Whats the word Dave?



Your source is apparently not that reliable.



Dave,
What is a Destroyer? Is there an animal representation for the Destoryer?
Just curious.



Shiva

Dave,
I know that Pro orc is an OOP, but I was trying to find Pro Orcs in the weight range of 156-160 gr. Any suggestions?

HEllo Dave, i have a very light weight disc called the Mirage, i was wondering when this was in production and why so light?

I think the Mirage (and later light Polecat) was produced as a light weight, less expensive premium disc for promotional giveaways and player packs back in the early 90s when you used to get one of those with the tourney hotstamp rather than a competition disc with a stamp. At some point, it fell out of popularity in favor of minis and regular weight discs with event stamps.

Thanks Chuck, i thought they would be some sort of promotional disc.

Dave,
I know that Pro orc is an OOP, but I was trying to find Pro Orcs in the weight range of 156-160 gr. Any suggestions?



Sorry, I have no clue, but you might try asking Mark at discgolfvalues.com. He might have some or know where to go to get them.

Hey Dave,

Just wanted to let you know that I think you are a great disc designer.

The new Destroyer is very nice. How you made a disc that fast that is not hard to throw is simply amazing. Mine are 170 and 171 gram, and they are not crazy overstable at all.

I think we should get a vote going for the pro Orc I have 5 votes in my household if you count my dogs ;) Luv Ya Dave

I love the Destroyer as I can get it way out there easily and it comes back (fades) dependably at the end. However the Pro Orc is my longest tailwind disc when i throw it right. The other day i threw the best throw of my life with one. I'm pretty sure Pro Orcs would sell like hotcakes :D

I'll throw in a vote for the return of the Pro Orc ... love this disc!

I'll throw in a vote for the return of the Pro Orc ... love this disc!


Aye Aye! :D

I'll add that Rob threw the longest D of his life with his Pro Orc the other day. Probably was 510 - 525 flat ground D. T'was a bomb....

enough already, we get it

I'm just glad they found another supply for pro plastic because all pro discs are pimp and bomb 510-525 MB feet :Dbut seriously PRO PLASTIC FOREVER. :cool:

Dave,
Are there any plans on making a Teerex-L or Pro Teerex? I think a TRX, Teerex, and Teerex-L would be a great distance combo.

teerexL = wraith

what about a wraith X? I found the wraith too touchy

Already exists.

Vegas Wraith X (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=LV_WRX&amp;PHPSESSID=b34f4f0b 4b05654b449b9b8425ca7419)

I knew it existed, I was just seeing if that might fit the bill

any guesstimate of the release of dx cros and dx destroyers?

Dave,
Are there any plans on making a Teerex-L or Pro Teerex? I think a TRX, Teerex, and Teerex-L would be a great distance combo.



No plans for any other Teerex other that the current versions.

any guesstimate of the release of dx cros and dx destroyers?



DX Cros should be soon as they have been made already. DX Destroyers have not been run and we don't have them scheduled yet.

Dave,
Are there any plans on making a Teerex-L or Pro Teerex? I think a TRX, Teerex, and Teerex-L would be a great distance combo.



No plans for any other Teerex other that the current versions.



I rember I threw a DX Tee Rex and turned over real hard, may b that is a Tee Rex L?

Neither Champion nor Pro plastic are being phased out. Pro was being phased out, but a new source was found.



Pro ORC's Please,

Dave
I love the star cro any chance of a champion cro? Also are there going to be any star drivers made in the same gummy version ?
Thanks

Dave,
Are there any plans on making a Teerex-L or Pro Teerex? I think a TRX, Teerex, and Teerex-L would be a great distance combo.



No plans for any other Teerex other that the current versions.



I rember I threw a DX Tee Rex and turned over real hard, may b that is a Tee Rex L?



All original Teerex's were L version. However the DX version turned over because DX didn't run well in the TeeRex mold. Some were stable, some were
not. We discontinued DX Teerexes for that reason.

Dave
I love the star cro any chance of a champion cro? Also are there going to be any star drivers made in the same gummy version ?
Thanks



We have no plans for a Champion Cro at this point. The Star Drivers have all become a little gummier, but not to the extent that the Cro is. We do plan on making most of the Star line gummier.

Dave
I love the star cro any chance of a champion cro? Also are there going to be any star drivers made in the same gummy version ?
Thanks



We have no plans for a Champion Cro at this point. The Star Drivers have all become a little gummier, but not to the extent that the Cro is. We do plan on making most of the Star line gummier.



Hooray for gummy!!! I'll have to start tryin out more star plastic (if I can find weights in the 150 -160 range).

Is the Coyote not PDGA approved?

Look at the pdf list (http://www.pdga.com/documents/tech_standards/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf) not the web list. The web list is incomplete:
Coyote 05-9 6-7-05 21.7 180.1

I was looking at the PDF, just didn't go down far enough thanks.

Hey Dave,

What's the Sonic?

The new Sonic is a 21,6cm diameter disc that resembles a fastback, it is a small version of the Hero 235. It is legal up to 179gm. Most of the interest in this disc will be as putt and approach. It is slow, with low glide, and flies fairly straight at low speed with very little low speed fade. It can be used for medium range turnover shots.
The Sonic will be released in DX plastic in October.

-stolen from discgolfsweden.se

The new Sonic is a 21,6cm diameter disc that resembles a fastback, it is a small version of the Hero 235. It is legal up to 179gm. Most of the interest in this disc will be as putt and approach. It is slow, with low glide, and flies fairly straight at low speed with very little low speed fade. It can be used for medium range turnover shots.
The Sonic will be released in DX plastic in October.

-stolen from discgolfsweden.se



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. Sounds cool - can't wait to try it out.

Old school rules!!!!!!!

Dave,

Are the CFR winners for Sept drawing posted anywhere?

Josh

Hey Dave,

What's the Sonic?



Just ate lunch there :D

http://scienceroll.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/sonichedgehog.jpg

http://www.digital-eel.com/blog/images/sonicboomplane_navy_med.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/act_earl_watson.jpg

Not yet, but they will be posted at our website.

Dave
I love the star cro any chance of a champion cro? Also are there going to be any star drivers made in the same gummy version ?
Thanks



We have no plans for a Champion Cro at this point. The Star Drivers have all become a little gummier, but not to the extent that the Cro is. We do plan on making most of the Star line gummier.

I have noticed this with the latest batch of discs in stores in my area right now and I think they feel amazing. A little more flexible and a ton grippier, I think it's the best run of the star plastic I have felt since its release. Feels more like Pro plastic, so nice! Not only that, but the colors are amazing too.. really bright fluorescent colors in this run

Thanks Dave.

any guesstimate of the release of dx cros and dx destroyers?



Oct, 1 for the DX Cro

How bout a release date on that pro Destroyer??

Peace
Scott

How bout a release date on that pro Destroyer??

Peace
Scott



Already available through CFR. General release will be by the end of the year.

What's up with the InnColor process, Dave? Is it abandoned forever, or are you tweaking it for a future comeback?

what about the champion destroyer? i asked once already and nobody answered.. maybe i missed something

what about the champion destroyer? i asked once already and nobody answered.. maybe i missed something



I asked the same and Dave said they're staying a CFR as of right now

Dave--how did testing of the dx cros turn out? how stable are they relative to the star? how would you compare them to the dx spider or gator? thx again

Will there be any Pro Destroyers at the USDGC Pro Shop for sale? Also any idea what the stamp for the spectators Roc's will look like this year?

What's up with the InnColor process, Dave? Is it abandoned forever, or are you tweaking it for a future comeback?


I called Innova concerning this for a fundraiser and the answer I got is that the machine is kaput and they may never bring it back. And yes, never was the word used.

Dave,

Were the original release of the stock Pro Wraith's marked "First Run"? And also, has the mold changed any since the original production, i.e. a slightly different blend of plastics or physical shape?

Thanks.

Dave,
I have 5 of the new runs of dx Big Beads and the flight plate on all of them has sunken in pretty deep. Its about the same on the ones that I haven't thrown yet as well. I haven't stacked them, I have them stored in bins. Have you heard of or seen this problem?

Dave,
I have 5 of the new runs of dx Big Beads and the flight plate on all of them has sunken in pretty deep. Its about the same on the ones that I haven't thrown yet as well. I haven't stacked them, I have them stored in bins. Have you heard of or seen this problem?



Problem? That's when Big Beads are just starting to get sweet :D

I love a sunken-top BB Aviar...mmmm. If you have any max weights that you want to unload let me know.

Hi Dave--who would you guess would have the dx cros available the earliest, and also were these dx cros a firmer dx or softer? thanks

Should I stock up on Champ Panthers or will they still be around for a year or more??

Dave's not here man. :cool::cool::cool:

Yeah Dave's kinda busy at the moment playing a little tournament down in Rock Hill. He should be tied up for the rest of the week.

Here's a cool thought. All those with questions should hop in thier car, jump on a plane, grab a train or whatever suits your fancy for travel and head on over to the tournament. You could ask him questions in person and probally catch some good golf while you're there.

Dave,

Are the CFR winners for Sept drawing posted anywhere?

Josh



The September winners should be posted on the INNOVA website soon.


Mike B. - Milwaukee, WI - USDGC Partner Pack
Chip H. - Johnson City, TN - DISCatcher Mini target
Jeff J. - Henderson, NV - DISCatcher Traveler
Darla T. - Sonoma, CA - Merchandise Pack
Curtis M. - Homestead, FL - Newly Released Discs
Keith J. - Woodstock, GA - Training set
Shane M. - Oviedo, FL - INNOVA T-shirt
Dave G. - High Point, NC - INNOVA Cap
Parker S. - Marble Falls, TX - Lead Group Live DVD
Scott T. - Elkhart, IN - 2006 Japan DVD

Keith finally won something in the raffle. I guess whining helps...

Keith finally won something in the raffle. I guess whining helps...



the best part was that it's a training set, since everyone at innova knows my skill level :eek:

Keith finally won something in the raffle. I guess whining helps...



the best part was that it's a training set, since everyone at innova knows my skill level :eek:




Nice. That got a laugh outta me.

Dave's not here man. :cool::cool::cool:



no I'm Dave man

Dave's not here man. :cool::cool::cool:



no I'm Dave man



I'm Spartacus! Oh wait, wrong movie.

What's up with the InnColor process, Dave? Is it abandoned forever, or are you tweaking it for a future comeback?



It's gone for now. We don't know if it is coming back.

Dave--how did testing of the dx cros turn out? how stable are they relative to the star? how would you compare them to the dx spider or gator? thx again



I don't know if this is timely at this point, but I did test the DX Cros and they were about the same as the Star, or slightly more stable. I was unable to beat one up enough with regular play, to get it to turn yet. I will keep on trying.

Dave,

Were the original release of the stock Pro Wraith's marked "First Run"? And also, has the mold changed any since the original production, i.e. a slightly different blend of plastics or physical shape?

Thanks.



The mold is the same, but the plastic blend may have changed slightly to what we have been using for a while now. I don't remember what the first run was stamped with.

Dave,
I have 5 of the new runs of dx Big Beads and the flight plate on all of them has sunken in pretty deep. Its about the same on the ones that I haven't thrown yet as well. I haven't stacked them, I have them stored in bins. Have you heard of or seen this problem?



Yes, I have heard of this problem. It usually happens as they sit in boxes or in shipping. We are using a new blend of plastic to try to prevent this. Flat is okay, but sunken, is not.

Hi Dave--who would you guess would have the dx cros available the earliest, and also were these dx cros a firmer dx or softer? thanks



Everyone should have them by now. They have been available for since Oct 1. It is a medium DX, not soft or stiff.

Should I stock up on Champ Panthers or will they still be around for a year or more??



They will be around in mid sixties for sure. Other weights will be hit and miss.

Wow. Thanks for all the answers, Dave. And yes, flat putter are good

Thanks Dave...!

Dave,

How can you distinguish between the different runs of CE plastic?

That is how can I tell what run some of the discs I have are...

Thanks in advance....

Dave,

How can you distinguish between the different runs of CE plastic?

That is how can I tell what run some of the discs I have are...

Thanks in advance....



I don't know if you're asking about the plastic itself. If you're asking about a particular run, you should probably ask a knowledgeable collector. Other than that, the original runs had flashing that wasn't trimmed and had different writing than subsequent runs. The plastic itself is too difficult to tell apart.

Were the Sept CFR Winners Picked already? I went to the site like you said but August winners are the only winners posted.

Were the Sept CFR Winners Picked already? I went to the site like you said but August winners are the only winners posted.



I believe they are posted 15 posts back on this thread.

I was curious what is your favorite mold? Has it ever been tweaked and if did you like it more or less? Thank you

Were the Sept CFR Winners Picked already? I went to the site like you said but August winners are the only winners posted.



I believe they are posted 15 posts back on this thread.




Thanks Dave and Suzette

Dave... I have a softer, flexible (not just flight plate but rim as well) 168 bright greenish leopard that was dyed and purchased through Jim Orum and SkySouth when I first started playing two years ago. I NEED another one because if I lose this one I dont know what I would do. Most others I find are far more stiff and not as agile as the one I currently use as my go to. Do you have any idea what run this could have possibly come from? Any guidance/suggestions are appreciated.

I was curious what is your favorite mold? Has it ever been tweaked and if did you like it more or less? Thank you



The Aviar has been my favorite disc for a long time. It has been tweaked several times. The JK was my favorite for several years, but recently I have switched to beadless Putt &amp; Approach for putting, and P2s for drives and approaches. The P2 is more high speed stable. Both are beadless.

Dave... I have a softer, flexible (not just flight plate but rim as well) 168 bright greenish leopard that was dyed and purchased through Jim Orum and SkySouth when I first started playing two years ago. I NEED another one because if I lose this one I dont know what I would do. Most others I find are far more stiff and not as agile as the one I currently use as my go to. Do you have any idea what run this could have possibly come from? Any guidance/suggestions are appreciated.



I assume you are talking about Champion or Star plastic as it is dyed. If so, it would be what we call "gummy" Star or Champion. We run these on ocassion as some people do prefer this plastic. Dealers should know the difference.

I assume you are talking about Champion or Star plastic as it is dyed. If so, it would be what we call "gummy" Star or Champion. We run these on ocassion as some people do prefer this plastic. Dealers should know the difference.



thanks Dave, and yes, it is champion. Sorry I didnt include that originally.

Dave
For this years Jack o Lantern stamp disc for Halloween how about glow orange???
Will it add too much weight from the glow and dye and make the discs too gummy?

Glow Orange Jack O Lantern Aviars would be super pimp!

Dave my question goes back in time a bit. I'm not looking for specifics but rather an estimated guess if possible. I'm looking for possible run numbers of the original Star stamped discs (ie. "proto" stamp). You've clarified before that the "proto" stamps were actually 1st runs. Was there some limit as to how many were 1st runs of the earlier discs? Discs like the Barracuda, Stingray etc.
Thanks for any help you may have.

Dave
For this years Jack o Lantern stamp disc for Halloween how about glow orange???
Will it add too much weight from the glow and dye and make the discs too gummy?

Glow Orange Jack O Lantern Aviars would be super pimp!



Weight is not a consideration with DX. We could do glow orange, but we would have to have pigment that glowed orange. If we had orange discs, and added regular glow, they wouldn't glow well because the orange color would mask the glow pigment.

Dave my question goes back in time a bit. I'm not looking for specifics but rather an estimated guess if possible. I'm looking for possible run numbers of the original Star stamped discs (ie. "proto" stamp). You've clarified before that the "proto" stamps were actually 1st runs. Was there some limit as to how many were 1st runs of the earlier discs? Discs like the Barracuda, Stingray etc.
Thanks for any help you may have.



The earlier limits were around 1800 to 2000, which equates to one pallet or 18 boxes. Some might have been more or less, but that used to be the general amount we shot for.

Dave,
Were there a lot of Pumpkin stamped Star Destroyers made? Or was it a very limited run?
Thanks!

Dave,
Were there a lot of Pumpkin stamped Star Destroyers made? Or was it a very limited run?
Thanks!



The Pumpkin discs are all limited and are done out of the East Coast office. You would have to contact them. Specifically Russell Schwarz

Hey Dave...when ya gonna pull the trigger and take Ken Franks off the scout team and put him on the sponsored team? Or has this already happened and I don't know it.

Dave,

Is it just me or is the Glow Champion discs MORE over stable than the regular plastic!?! What would cause them to be more over stable?

When will the Halloween Stamp discs be available?

Dave,
I know you had said earlier that CFR glow Wraiths would be run more than likely at some future date. Any updates or specifics on this? Glow tourney coming up and this disc would be the BOMB!!! Thanks.

Hey Dave...when ya gonna pull the trigger and take Ken Franks off the scout team and put him on the sponsored team? Or has this already happened and I don't know it.



Frank did real well at USDGC and showed he has the right stuff. I imagine he will be moved up as soon as Sam Ferrans can get to it.

Dave,

Is it just me or is the Glow Champion discs MORE over stable than the regular plastic!?! What would cause them to be more over stable?



It might not just be you. Additives can change the way discs cure up and can add or subtract stability. How glow does this specifically, I am not sure.

When will the Halloween Stamp discs be available?



They are available right now thru Innova East.

Dave,
I know you had said earlier that CFR glow Wraiths would be run more than likely at some future date. Any updates or specifics on this? Glow tourney coming up and this disc would be the BOMB!!! Thanks.



We are going to give it a shot Monday. Thanks.

Hey Dave...when ya gonna pull the trigger and take Ken Franks off the scout team and put him on the sponsored team? Or has this already happened and I don't know it.



Frank did real well at USDGC and showed he has the right stuff. I imagine he will be moved up as soon as Sam Ferrans can get to it.



He technically was moved up at USDGC, but our site doesn't show it because we are still getting the profile information.

Dave...What's up with the champion firebirds?? Why do they have giant domes, it seems to make them less stable and i'm a huge fan of the flat top ones...shed some light here man.

Dave...What's up with the champion firebirds?? Why do they have giant domes, it seems to make them less stable and i'm a huge fan of the flat top ones...shed some light here man.



It's just the way the plastic set up last time we ran them. No material difference.

Dave,

Is Innova still making the Trow Art discs, specifically the meditation aviar. I have one now that's about 3 years old and I would love to get some more. Can I order them through Innova or do I have to find an online store? Thanks.

Dave,

Is Innova still making the Trow Art discs, specifically the meditation aviar. I have one now that's about 3 years old and I would love to get some more. Can I order them through Innova or do I have to find an online store? Thanks.



They are no longer available through Innova and are out of production. I don't know of any dealer who still may have them.

Dave,

Is Innova still making the Trow Art discs, specifically the meditation aviar. I have one now that's about 3 years old and I would love to get some more. Can I order them through Innova or do I have to find an online store? Thanks.



They are no longer available through Innova and are out of production. I don't know of any dealer who still may have them.



The Buddha?
http://www.discgolfworld.com/product_det...6T6ME6NGUQ59PM6 (http://www.discgolfworld.com/product_detail.asp?product%5Fid=1900&amp;mscssid=KSKK3 XRTV21F8H7XQ6T6ME6NGUQ59PM6)

When will the Halloween Stamp discs be available?



They are available right now thru Innova East.



Seriously, No offense to you Dave ...

Is this the best you guys can do for a Halloween Stamp? I'll do one for you next year for free ... drop me an email when you're ready to go.

http://sopris.net/~jjmcmullen/images/Roc_DX_2007_Jack-O-LanternPumpkin.jpg

When will the Halloween Stamp discs be available?



They are available right now thru Innova East.



Seriously, No offense to you Dave ...

Is this the best you guys can do for a Halloween Stamp? I'll do one for you next year for free ... drop me an email when you're ready to go.

http://sopris.net/~jjmcmullen/images/Roc_DX_2007_Jack-O-LanternPumpkin.jpg



I'd have to agree... it's pretty ugly...

Hey Dave,

The topic of glow golf is up on another thread but an interesting point was brought up...can a grove be made on the inside of the rim so that a glow strand (like the necklace ones) be put in there so you could play at night with any of the molds you have now.....would it affect the flight (the groove I mean)....mold mods too colstly...just curious seems if there were more glow disc we might see more glow golf :DThanks in advance and the Destroyer, Kite, Cro, Skeeter, and Wraith X are really sweet keep up the good..no GREAT work.

Hey Dave there is a rumor of a top disccraft pro switching to innova any news on that?

Hey Dave,

The topic of glow golf is up on another thread but an interesting point was brought up...can a grove be made on the inside of the rim so that a glow strand (like the necklace ones) be put in there so you could play at night with any of the molds you have now.....would it affect the flight (the groove I mean)....mold mods too colstly...just curious seems if there were more glow disc we might see more glow golf :DThanks in advance and the Destroyer, Kite, Cro, Skeeter, and Wraith X are really sweet keep up the good..no GREAT work.



Yes, you could put a groove on the inside of the rim wall that wouldn't affect flight much if any. To get the maximum glow effect, you would have to use a clearish plastic like the I-dye plastic.

Hey Dave there is a rumor of a top disccraft pro switching to innova any news on that?



As far as I know, it's just a rumor.

Any plans on running Champion Skeeters? Even if just for CFR? A glow champ would be nice.

Hey Dave,

The topic of glow golf is up on another thread but an interesting point was brought up...can a grove be made on the inside of the rim so that a glow strand (like the necklace ones) be put in there so you could play at night with any of the molds you have now.....would it affect the flight (the groove I mean)....mold mods too colstly...just curious seems if there were more glow disc we might see more glow golf :DThanks in advance and the Destroyer, Kite, Cro, Skeeter, and Wraith X are really sweet keep up the good..no GREAT work.




Wouldnt that be a Fly By Nite?

Yes practically...

BUT with INNOVA's molds......THAT'S the point :p

Hi Dave- do you expect to be able to make destroyers lighter than 168ish? if so, when and in which plastic{s}? thanks again

Hi Dave- do you expect to be able to make destroyers lighter than 168ish? if so, when and in which plastic{s}? thanks again



I have a star that is 167g, and a friend has a 166g. They are around just not very plentiful. :(

Any plans on running Champion Skeeters? Even if just for CFR? A glow champ would be nice.



Get in line! I'm still waiting for a Champion Goblin (gummy?)!

I'm tired of having to use a new DX Goblin every few months (DeLa hurts discs), and I really only like the star-stamped ones...they are flatter/more stable. Help Dave!

But the Goblin could be the most important disc I use in my game. Accurate upshots, and long/wind/low ceiling putts. I love that disc.

-E

Hey Dave -

I was thinking the other day about the evolution of some of the popular molds out there. It seems to me that as time goes on, molds start to become tweaked and thus less stable (Beast, Valk, Eagle, and especially the new Monsters). But for whatever reason, the Star Starfire seems to be the MOST stable incarnation of that mold. In my opinion, the new Starfires are the most predictable, long range distance drivers on the market. I'n not a big fan of making things less stable over time, so I would like to thank you for making the Starfire more stable and would encourage you to keep the X mold as stable as it is.

Peace,
Whip

ps - Christmas wish list: Star Gazelle, Star Banshee, regular production Star Classic Roc.

Any plans on running Champion Skeeters? Even if just for CFR? A glow champ would be nice.



Right now, just Star Skeeters and DX are in the plans.

Hi Dave- do you expect to be able to make destroyers lighter than 168ish? if so, when and in which plastic{s}? thanks again



We have a formula of Pro putter type plastic that might work, but the Star and Champion will be limited to upper 160s and up.

The Pro formula will go down to 130 gms or so, but the test run was not particularly satisfactory. We will try again over the off season. I do want to have them available for the Japan Open in 2008.

Hey Double D,

Can you tell me the best overstable 150g drivers,and the farthest flying 150 class drivers? What do you use in 150 class for driving?

Deano...

Dave,
Were you able to mold the Starfire X's in DX yet?



No. We haven't gotten to the Starfires yet. We have completed the SLs only.


Dave-
Any update to DX Starfire X's?

Dave,
I found a orange large diameter midrange disc that must be the old CE plastic. It has a 20th anniversary KC wide open stamp on it and weighs 178 grams, the stamp says 1983-2002. We cant really read the letters on the bottom but may say OM or GM, the disc has no bead and was molded in ontario. What am I?

Dave,
I found a orange large diameter midrange disc that must be the old CE plastic. It has a 20th anniversary KC wide open stamp on it and weighs 178 grams, the stamp says 1983-2002. We cant really read the letters on the bottom but may say OM or GM, the disc has no bead and was molded in ontario. What am I?




I could be wrong, but I would say QMS.

BUT with INNOVA's molds......THAT'S the point :p




The FBNs are about as close to an Innova mold as your going to get with that technology. I think they are Cobras, or a knock off.

Dave,
I found a orange large diameter midrange disc that must be the old CE plastic. It has a 20th anniversary KC wide open stamp on it and weighs 178 grams, the stamp says 1983-2002. We cant really read the letters on the bottom but may say OM or GM, the disc has no bead and was molded in ontario. What am I?



mmm... First Run (1.1) QMS... CE plastic, marked QM, Ontario lettering (like all QMS), choice!

Hey Double D,

Can you tell me the best overstable 150g drivers,and the farthest flying 150 class drivers? What do you use in 150 class for driving?

Deano...



Hey Deano,

In Champion plastic, the best I have used are the QOF for all around control and distance, and the Banshee for overstable. Last time in Japan we also had some pretty darn fast DX TeeRexes. The overstable ones were the best, but were hard to come by. DX Wraiths were probably the best for pure distance, but control could be tricky in the wind. By the time the Japan Open comes around, we will have tried several more possibilities, but they don't exist yet.

Dave,
Were you able to mold the Starfire X's in DX yet?



No. We haven't gotten to the Starfires yet. We have completed the SLs only.


Dave-
Any update to DX Starfire X's?



The mold is running now in Champion. DX will be tried next, but no guarantees it will work consistently.

Dave,
I found a orange large diameter midrange disc that must be the old CE plastic. It has a 20th anniversary KC wide open stamp on it and weighs 178 grams, the stamp says 1983-2002. We cant really read the letters on the bottom but may say OM or GM, the disc has no bead and was molded in ontario. What am I?



mmm... First Run (1.1) QMS... CE plastic, marked QM, Ontario lettering (like all QMS), choice!



Most likely.

Last time in Japan we also had some pretty darn fast DX TeeRexes. The overstable ones were the best, but were hard to come by


Darned tootin'. I got 10 from John Ahart &amp; they beat the pants off of the "normal" release. WAY flat, WAY fast, &amp; nicely overstable out of the box. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool 150-class thrower, and the JO TeeRexes are the best 150-class max distance driver yet, IMHO.

Dave,

Are you guys running Champion Aviars again? In both BB and P&amp;A molds? My local Vendor just got in a shipment of discs in and they had both molds in 167g-175g weights.

Hey Dave

Two questions about the Cro:

1. Is there any difference in the flight of different colors?

2. Is there any possibility of a run of Cro's in Champ plastic. (I prefer weights around 160 and I figure a Champ run will be the only way to get them. I play in the trees a lot so DX won't help.)


Also, in the spirit of the rejuvinated Gremlin, might we ever see a Champ Puma? I found 2, 160 gm., DX Pumas and they are fantastic. (Note: if anyone out there has a stack of Puma's just lounging around the house eating their pets and just generally causing trouble, feel free to contact me. I'll gladly relocate the to a more suitabel environment - my bag.)

Thanks for all the help.

pastor keith

Dave,
Please make some Star COBRAS! NOT STAR CLASSIC COBRAS! Please! Several stores have been selling "CFR Star Cobras" which are really classics.
Thanks.

Hi Dave,

Have you ever considered making the Flat-top / Ching-stamped Roc its own mold so it could be produced in plastics other than DX? Maybe another addition to the USDGS fund raisers? ("Star Flat-top Roc" has a nice ring to it...)

Or...will the process that makes them flat also work for Pro plastic?

Thanks

Dave--would you say the current dx teerexs' are more stable than the dx wraiths? i throw these at 150 class. any plans to discontinue the dx teerex? thanks

The Flat top Ching Roc isn't a different mold, it's flat because of the stamping prosess.

The Flat top Ching Roc isn't a different mold, it's flat because of the stamping prosess.



That I know. I was asking if he's ever considered making it its own mold... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave,

Are you guys running Champion Aviars again? In both BB and P&amp;A molds? My local Vendor just got in a shipment of discs in and they had both molds in 167g-175g weights.



We are making some Champion Aviars in the P&amp;A mold. Not sure about the BB.

Hey Dave

Two questions about the Cro:

1. Is there any difference in the flight of different colors?

2. Is there any possibility of a run of Cro's in Champ plastic. (I prefer weights around 160 and I figure a Champ run will be the only way to get them. I play in the trees a lot so DX won't help.)


Also, in the spirit of the rejuvinated Gremlin, might we ever see a Champ Puma? I found 2, 160 gm., DX Pumas and they are fantastic. (Note: if anyone out there has a stack of Puma's just lounging around the house eating their pets and just generally causing trouble, feel free to contact me. I'll gladly relocate the to a more suitabel environment - my bag.)

Thanks for all the help.

pastor keith



Sometimes the colors do affect the flight characteristic of discs. The Star and Champion plastic make about the same weights, so there should already be some Star Cros in the mid sixties. If they are gone, they will be back next run. We don't have any immediate plans to run Champion Cros. The Puma was discontinued, so it is unlikely to be made in Champion.

Hi Dave,

Have you ever considered making the Flat-top / Ching-stamped Roc its own mold so it could be produced in plastics other than DX? Maybe another addition to the USDGS fund raisers? ("Star Flat-top Roc" has a nice ring to it...)

Or...will the process that makes them flat also work for Pro plastic?

Thanks



A Sentinel might be what you are looking for. I am unfamiliar with the Ching process, and don't plan on making a mold to mimic the result of the process.

Dave--would you say the current dx teerexs' are more stable than the dx wraiths? i throw these at 150 class. any plans to discontinue the dx teerex? thanks



The current DX Teerexes were a disappointment in consistency. We were planning on discontinuing them because they weren't much different than the DX Wraiths. However, we finally fixed the mold and are planning on giving it another shot. Hopefully, we can make them consistently stable.

Innova Wish List :

Star Banshees - I love the KC Pros and would really like to try this in Star Plastic. Very underrated disc!

CFR(Champion) Whippets - Why only the one champion run? This would probably be a big seller in the CFR program.

CFR(Champion) Maxs - ?

Now that the Wraith is a regular production disc in Champion plastic, is the TeeRex next?

thanks dave--when do you expect this new run of dx teerex's to hit retailers, and how will those of us that have to mailorder request these newer ones? updated stamp or underside marking? thanks again

Dave,

Congratulations on the Destroyer being a huge success! I was wondering since it's so popular if we'd see more discs like it? And more specifically do you expect to make more (and less stable) discs with the 2.2 cm rim thickness?

Thanks,

Jerry
DiscGolfCenter.com

Now that the Wraith is a regular production disc in Champion plastic, is the TeeRex next?



It seems like the RexX has taken the place of the Starfire in the CFR lineup. I would be surpirsed to see it removed anytime soon.