Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???

Dave can you please describe the difference between the 11x Aviars and the 12x Aviars? I've been told that the 12x's feel more like the pro-line plastic aviars, kind of gummy and slippery.

Hey Dave,

Whats going on with the INNColor Process? I heard a rumor all orders are on freeze for now! Can you shed any light?



The INNColor process is on hold for now. One of the pieces of equipment used is no longer operable. We might be able to use the older process at some point to do orders on hold. We are investigating a new way of doing the INNColor to replace the old way.





Are they going to be cartoony now?

Dave can you please describe the difference between the 11x Aviars and the 12x Aviars? I've been told that the 12x's feel more like the pro-line plastic aviars, kind of gummy and slippery.



Dave really lit a fire under this thread...so I will try to help out and answer the questions that I know have been asked before.
They had to change the plastic/molding procedure with the KC Aviars because the 11x and subsequent models were caving in on top. The new 12x Aviars are noticeably more domey (to overcorrect for the possibility of flight plate descention in over time) and also are a bit more rubbery feeling, though they are still quite rigid like usual. Innova pro Kevin McCoy loves them!

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???



Erroneous, where did you see this? Just went to the site and only saw the regular production stamp. Could you give a link to the photo

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???



Erroneous, where did you see this? Just went to the site and only saw the regular production stamp. Could you give a link to the photo



I was wondering the same thing...

Probably on the USDGC site :cool:

I saw it in the catalog Innova sends out to distributers, not the website my bad.

Dave, thanks for the DX ONTARIO ROC. They are sweet straight flyers. They can take a good rip, with little to no low speed fade. Great straight/anhyzer discs right out of the box. I should be getting my next ace in no time with this in the bag...
Are these available from Innova East for custom club stamping?

THANKS!

PS Thanks for the DX Big Beads as well. I like how Innova is bringing back some retro discs. Now how about that CE plastic? :D

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???



Not at this point

Dave can you please describe the difference between the 11x Aviars and the 12x Aviars? I've been told that the 12x's feel more like the pro-line plastic aviars, kind of gummy and slippery.



The material is different from previous KC Aviars. We were having significant trouble molding the previous material without many scrap parts, so we switched to the current material.

Hey Dave,

Whats going on with the INNColor Process? I heard a rumor all orders are on freeze for now! Can you shed any light?



The INNColor process is on hold for now. One of the pieces of equipment used is no longer operable. We might be able to use the older process at some point to do orders on hold. We are investigating a new way of doing the INNColor to replace the old way.





Are they going to be cartoony now?



Artwork won't be affected.

Dave, thanks for the DX ONTARIO ROC. They are sweet straight flyers. They can take a good rip, with little to no low speed fade. Great straight/anhyzer discs right out of the box. I should be getting my next ace in no time with this in the bag...
Are these available from Innova East for custom club stamping?

THANKS!

PS Thanks for the DX Big Beads as well. I like how Innova is bringing back some retro discs. Now how about that CE plastic? :D



DX Ontarios are available for custom hotstamping on the East Coast as well.

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???



Not at this point



Is That star Wraith I'm talking about a KC signature series or was it one of the limited usdgc Wraiths?
thanks

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them. Is there any other players getting Star signature discs? Des Shark???



Not at this point



Is That star Wraith I'm talking about a KC signature series or was it one of the limited usdgc Wraiths?
thanks



It is a future KC signature disc. When older stock runs out.

With the Pro plastic running out, would there be any possibility in releasing a mid-range plastic line in the same type as the KC Aviars and KC Whippets? I have only been playing for about 2 years, but I have thrown some of the older model KC plastic drivers that were in a similar plastic that flew simpy fantastic. I would pick up a ton of Teebirds in this plastic, as well as a ton of others

Will the star skeeters be run in non gummy plastic? I only have a cfr star skeeter and love it Are there any flight differences betreen the stiff and gummy star skeeters?

Dave, i just saw the Star Wraiths on the innova site & they had Kenny's signature on them.



The KC signature Star Wraiths are starting to ship right now in the max weights. The other weight signature Wraiths will become available soon.

Dave,
read earlier that the Proline-drivers WR and SL will be discountiued within a year. Seems strange to me that the plastic supplier (-s) can�t make a new batch same of the Pro plastic, there must be a recipe somewhere :confused:

With the Pro plastic running out, would there be any possibility in releasing a mid-range plastic line in the same type as the KC Aviars and KC Whippets? I have only been playing for about 2 years, but I have thrown some of the older model KC plastic drivers that were in a similar plastic that flew simpy fantastic. I would pick up a ton of Teebirds in this plastic, as well as a ton of others


That's a possiblility.

Will the star skeeters be run in non gummy plastic? I only have a cfr star skeeter and love it Are there any flight differences betreen the stiff and gummy star skeeters?



Star Skeeters will probably be run in a medium plastic. We want them to be as grippy as possible. The stiffer plastic seems to be a touch more high speed stable.

Dave,
read earlier that the Proline-drivers WR and SL will be discountiued within a year. Seems strange to me that the plastic supplier (-s) can�t make a new batch same of the Pro plastic, there must be a recipe somewhere :confused:



I have been looking for three years now. We get samples in all the time to try. So far nothing.

Sorry if this is a bit of a stupid question Dave, but do you mind if multiple CFR drawing certificates are sent in one envelope?

Sorry if this is a bit of a stupid question Dave, but do you mind if multiple CFR drawing certificates are sent in one envelope?



No, not all.

Dave,
I know Innova is producing the discs for Discmania and I was wondering about their new CD (Control Driver) disc and what Innova disc it is related to?
The ratings on Discgolfvalues.com are:
Speed: 9
Glide: 5
Turn: -1
Fade:2

Thanks,
Matt

From those stats (assuming they follow Innova's normal flight ratings), it looks like a viking with a touch more glide.

From those stats (assuming they follow Innova's normal flight ratings), it looks like a viking with a touch more glide.



That's pretty accurate.

Dave,
This may have been asked elsewhere, but will the soft pro rhyno be discontinued with the rest of the proline discs?

Dave,
This may have been asked elsewhere, but will the soft pro rhyno be discontinued with the rest of the proline discs?



Only drivers are being discontinued in Pro. That type of plastic can't be found anymore and that is what is causing it. Other Pro discs (which aren't made in the driver plastic) should be fine.

What years were the Champ Beast X molds released and is there a way by telling from the stamp if the disc is one? Was it the 2x and the early 3x?

I think the Beast-X was the no barry stamp, 1x stamp, and a portion of the 2x's. What the proportion of the 2x's are old I'm not sure.

I just realised I put 2x and 3x...doh!...I meant 1 and 2x. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

What years were the Champ Beast X molds released and is there a way by telling from the stamp if the disc is one? Was it the 2x and the early 3x?



Til may 2005. The stamp is not a good indicator. An Orc is very similar to a Beast X.

I was wondering how many and when these were made?

The Big Stamp Rhynos that is.

Also, are there going to be any 12X KC Pro edition drivers coming out this year like the Teebird, Gazelle, Banshee, Eagle etc...of last year.

quick question, are the KC Pro Rocs that are not white rarer (more rare?) than just the regular white ones?

I would call them rare if you want a personal opinion. What color?

blue

Was it dyed?

I know there were orange 8x's. Were those dyed as well?

i dont think so it was just new in the store, a brand new disc. it doesnt have a time on it though ( like it isnt 11x or anything)

there have been a lot of light weight colored kc rocs. I think they are dyed

but they are not rare? The one that I found is a 169 0x KC Pro Roc MId Range ( not multi- purpose) roc that is a navy blue color. IT is in a store and looks to be new. the seller says they ordered right from innova. ANy ideas?

Last time our club ordered from Innova, we bought ten 11x KC Pros. We had one orange, one blue, and one black in that batch. The rest were white. Definitely straight from Innova, definitely not dyed, and in my opinion, pretty rare.

I was wondering how many and when these were made?

The Big Stamp Rhynos that is.

Also, are there going to be any 12X KC Pro edition drivers coming out this year like the Teebird, Gazelle, Banshee, Eagle etc...of last year.



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I know there were orange 8x's. Were those dyed as well?


The orange 8x were dyed.

I was wondering how many and when these were made?

The Big Stamp Rhynos that is.

Also, are there going to be any 12X KC Pro edition drivers coming out this year like the Teebird, Gazelle, Banshee, Eagle etc...of last year.



I don't understand the big stamp Rhyno question. I guess I need a picture.

The only KC Pro discs still being produced are the Roc and Aviar. The other KC discs are signiture discs.

quick question, are the KC Pro Rocs that are not white rarer (more rare?) than just the regular white ones?



Any color KC Roc other than white is rare.

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So dave what is the difference if any between the Beast X and the Orc?

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks

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So dave what is the difference if any between the Beast X and the Orc?



The Beast X is about as stable as a normal Orc. Some Orcs are more stable. There was some overlap between the Beast X and the Orc. Now there is almost no overlap.

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks



I'll give you $11 <font color="red">and </font> pay for shipping. ;)

Can someone tell me the difference in all the different types of Rocs out there?

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks



I am not a collector so I can't tell you how much it is worth, but any colored KC Roc is relatively rare. Some runs have no colors at all. Some have a small amount of the total. One run had two colors. When you add the 8X, 9X, 10X etc., it makes the older colored Rocs more rare.

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks



Collectors will pay much more the 10bucks for it, I would put it in a plastic bag and save it. Then start to monitor ebay to see what it is worth...
Wouldn�t sell it for 11 plus shipping ;)

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So dave what is the difference if any between the Beast X and the Orc?



The Beast X is about as stable as a normal Orc. Some Orcs are more stable. There was some overlap between the Beast X and the Orc. Now there is almost no overlap.


The only Beast X I have much experience with is a Pro Line (champion plastic) that is very flat on top. Almost all of the Orcs I have thrown have a nice curvature or dome to the flight plate and I think this makes the biggest difference between the Orc and the old mold Beast.

For me, the flatness of the Beast makes the disc fade slightly harder and when it is fading it is losing altitude more quickly as well. The domey Orc has a smoother "rounded" turn and fade that allows the disc to maintain more altitude as it slows down and begins to fade left (RHBH).

I like the Orc for distance and the Beast for accuracy. The OLF is kind of in between these two and is more like 9 speed than 10 speed. All good discs, but Orcs are my favorite. Hope this helps

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks



Collectors will pay much more the 10bucks for it, I would put it in a plastic bag and save it. Then start to monitor ebay to see what it is worth...
Wouldn�t sell it for 11 plus shipping ;)



ok...12 and a mini. :D

a homie mini? :eek: :D

dave...
I know you said that any colored KC Pro Rocs are rare. Just how rare are they. I really like the feel of mine and would like to throw it but i am just wondering if you think it would be worth more than the 10 dollars I paid for it? thanks




Collectors will pay much more the 10bucks for it, I would put it in a plastic bag and save it. Then start to monitor ebay to see what it is worth...
Wouldn�t sell it for 11 plus shipping ;)


I've seen quite a a few of these on ebay. I don't think they go for much more than 10 or 15. There is a black kc roc on ebay right now. $9.99 starting price with no bids.

nope...would never give up my homini! I'll be using it in BG!
House...send me a pm with your number and what room your in so we can hook it up in the bluegrass state!

Hey Dave,
Is it possible to recycle old plastic? What would happen if you shredded and melted down a bunch of old discs? Would the result be usable?

Hey Dave,
Is it possible to recycle old plastic? What would happen if you shredded and melted down a bunch of old discs? Would the result be usable?



It is relatively easy and environmentally friendly to recycle bad parts during production. Old used parts are a little different. Long exposure to UV radiation and impregnation of dirt particles make it less than ideal, but still can be done in some cases. You would have to know the make up of the particular plastics to be recycled, or you will have further contamination issues with incompatible plastics. All this being said, DX plastic would probably be the easiest to recycle, but the least cost effective, and suffers the most UV damage. The urethanes would be the most cost effective, but much harder to avoid cross contamination with other plastics. The cost of recycling DX is about 50% the cost of the initial mix. The cost of recycling urethanes is 20% of the cost of the initial mix. The resulting color of the recycled plastic is another issue. Unless you have a lot of plastic that has been segregated by type and color, you are going to get a chocolate mess.

That might make for some unique and interesting looking discs though, hehe.

You could market them as Limited Edition Chocolate Discs.

The new Innova Poo-Plastic line of discs

You guys aren't right.

Hi Dave,
sorry if this has been asked before...I searched and couldn't find it. I got a Max and there is a big spike of plastic in the middle of the disc. Is there a good way to remove it? Or can you direct me to where this question was answered the first time?

Thanks.

Dave, I'm wondering when we might see some of the newer molds in champion plastic, and what CFRs should we be expecting to see this year?
Thank you

Hi Dave,
sorry if this has been asked before...I searched and couldn't find it. I got a Max and there is a big spike of plastic in the middle of the disc. Is there a good way to remove it? Or can you direct me to where this question was answered the first time?

Thanks.



It sounds as if the sprue remnant was not cut. It requires plastic cutters or a pair of wire cutters will do.

Dave, I'm wondering when we might see some of the newer molds in champion plastic, and what CFRs should we be expecting to see this year?
Thank you



I am not sure about the CFRs at this point. The Star Teerex X will remain in CFR and we will try to add lighter grippier Rexxes. We will be making all of the latest drivers in Champion soon.

Hey Dave,

A player identically throws a TeeBird and a Starfire of matching weights and plastics. How much more distance should the Starfire go?

Hey Dave,

A player identically throws a TeeBird and a Starfire of matching weights and plastics. How much more distance should the Starfire go?



I would say it depends on how far they can throw in general. If said player can throw the teebird 300ft then maybe 325ft or so with the starfire, but if the player can throw a teebird 400ft. I would think they could throw a starfire 450ft or so. That is my opinion but I would imagine dave would say something similar.

Hey Dave,

A player identically throws a TeeBird and a Starfire of matching weights and plastics. How much more distance should the Starfire go?



Most of the difference will probably be with upwind distance as the Starfire is faster than the TeeBird. The total upwind distance difference will depend on the wind speed and throwing style. Generally, you can expect no more than around 20 to 30 feet of extra distance. Sometimes less. Downwind difference is even harder to extrapolate. Sometimes, you might actually get more distance from a TeeBird than a Starfire, depending on your throwing style, and the wind speed and left right direction.

Thanks Dave.

Hey Dave I just got a disc in a package I won at world doubles it appears to be a putter it only says "SS" on the bottom. So what is it. Thanks in advance!

its probably an omega supersoft. the mold will say innova but its a milineum disc.

that makes sense thanks!

Hey Dave,

Thanks for bringing the Ontario Rocs back out of retirement. They are GREAT!!!

My stock was getting low and I wasn't that excited about paying $20/piece on eBay to get some....Thanks for saving the day once again! ;)

its probably an omega supersoft. the mold will say innova but its a milineum disc.



Yes.

Dave, any chance the Champion SL becomes a permanent production disc and not just a CFR?

Dave, any chance the Champion SL becomes a permanent production disc and not just a CFR?



I see that my question has preceeded me.
I eagerly await a response.

Dave, any chance the Champion SL becomes a permanent production disc and not just a CFR?



Yes, but we would have to evaluate the need first. We haven't done that yet.

Hey, Dave. What's the latest on gummy Star? I really like the feel of the Star Kite and Star Skeeter. Which Innova discs do you plan to release in this plastic next?

Hey Dave
I heard a rumor that the X mold Champ Beast may be making a comeback. Any truth to this? They just feel better in the hand than the Orc cause of the rim.

Hey, Dave. What's the latest on gummy Star? I really like the feel of the Star Kite and Star Skeeter. Which Innova discs do you plan to release in this plastic next?



Most of our mid ranges and putters eventually.

Hey Dave
I heard a rumor that the X mold Champ Beast may be making a comeback. Any truth to this? They just feel better in the hand than the Orc cause of the rim.



No truth. With the SL and Orc, we feel it is redundant.

Hey Dave_D. About your new uppcoming discgolf plastic. Is it going to be more durable then Star-plastic?

Hi Dave,


Any chance for a timeline on when more TFR discs will be available on the East Coast, and also when will they have blank Star Leopards?.......been waiting awhile..

Hey Dave_D. About your new uppcoming discgolf plastic. Is it going to be more durable then Star-plastic?



Probably similar, just grippier.

Hi Dave,


Any chance for a timeline on when more TFR discs will be available on the East Coast, and also when will they have blank Star Leopards?.......been waiting awhile..



No clue, but they get shipments every week. They should have every TFR disc that we do. Which TFR disc are you referring to?

im sure you answered this before..... what aviar mold is the q-mega? is it the same as the driver mold??? there are enough of them to get me all confused!

they are the no bead or the small bead. they are definitly not the driver. if to look at the bottom of the rim, if it is totally straight after the nose its a no bead or p&a mold. if there is a stabalizer its a small bead

im sure you answered this before..... what aviar mold is the q-mega? is it the same as the driver mold??? there are enough of them to get me all confused!



The Q Omega is the small bead putter mold. It is now exclusive to Millennium, as we now use the no bead for putters.

Is the DX aviar with a fly girl Aloha stamp the same type of plastic as the Ching stamped rocs? (I ask this because I here people say that ching stamp rocs are a softer plastic and have stamps like that on them).
Thanks

Any Star Vipers in the future?

sorry if this has been asked before, but what are the approximate flight ratings for a SOLF? thanks for your time

sorry if this has been asked before, but what are the approximate flight ratings for a SOLF? thanks for your time



Speed: 9
Glide: 4
High Speed Turn: -1
Low Speed Fade: 3

I've thrown the disc quite a bit and this is how I would rate it. For a distance driver it flies very straight overall. I would simply consider it a slower Orc with the benefits being added control and less nose angle sensitivity.

Is the DX aviar with a fly girl Aloha stamp the same type of plastic as the Ching stamped rocs? (I ask this because I here people say that ching stamp rocs are a softer plastic and have stamps like that on them).
Thanks



Sorry, I don't know anything about those. They were probably made by the East Coast offfice.

Any Star Vipers in the future?



Possibly, but it won't be for a while as we just got done running Vipers.

sorry if this has been asked before, but what are the approximate flight ratings for a SOLF? thanks for your time



Discspeed's ratings are close. The only floating number is the high speed turn, which is somewhere between 0 and 1. The Qs seem to be closer to 0, and the Ss seem to be closer to 1.

Is it true that the Kite has Helium mixed into the plastic to make it float and carry further? I hear some of the proto Kites are still floating around due to an over abundant mix of Helium in them.

Hi Dave,


Any chance for a timeline on when more TFR discs will be available on the East Coast, and also when will they have blank Star Leopards?.......been waiting awhile..



No clue, but they get shipments every week. They should have every TFR disc that we do. Which TFR disc are you referring to?




I think all they offered was Champion and Star Teerex-x's and the Star Kite. Is that the same as the West?

How big would both the tourney and order need to be for a special run of something? Also, how much time is permitted for something like that to happen, or is it only a special circumstance?

As far as the Star Leopards go, I dont think Ive seen them in the blank stock as of yet.

I believe the Ontario Roc & BB Aviar are TFR discs.

Hi Dave,


Any chance for a timeline on when more TFR discs will be available on the East Coast, and also when will they have blank Star Leopards?.......been waiting awhile..



No clue, but they get shipments every week. They should have every TFR disc that we do. Which TFR disc are you referring to?




I think all they offered was Champion and Star Teerex-x's and the Star Kite. Is that the same as the West?

How big would both the tourney and order need to be for a special run of something? Also, how much time is permitted for something like that to happen, or is it only a special circumstance?

As far as the Star Leopards go, I dont think Ive seen them in the blank stock as of yet.



We have many more than you mentioned, so the East Coast should too. BB Aviars and Ontario Rocs have been popular lately for TFR.

Special runs for tournaments are in special circumstances and usually NT or national size tourneys. Lead time is usually around 4 to 6 months, but sometimes we happen to be running the disc we need, so it could happen sooner.

I have two question,

1. will there ever be the possibility of making the raven in star plastic?

2. What are the flight ratings of the python?

When you say the drivers are being discontinued in the Pro plastic, what drivers are you referring to? Both classes, distance and fairway, or just distance drivers? Thanks in advance

Thats all that was listed on the link I was sent. Ill talk to Zeb again.

I have two question,

1. will there ever be the possibility of making the raven in star plastic?

2. What are the flight ratings of the python?



There is a possibility, but it is small. The Raven never had enough sales.

The Python was a sister disc of the Ram. I can't come up with the ratings out of my head, but if you have them for the Ram, they're close, with the high speed stability being about -1. Just guessing, I would say 6, 5, -1, 3.

When you say the drivers are being discontinued in the Pro plastic, what drivers are you referring to? Both classes, distance and fairway, or just distance drivers? Thanks in advance



Both, unless we come up with a plastic substitute soon.

2. What are the flight ratings of the python?



The official INNOVA ratings for the Python and Ram are as follows:

Ram: 6, 4, +1, 4
Python: 6, 4, -1, 2

We hope to get the ratings for our older discs published somewhere on the INNOVA website in the coming weeks.

I just wanted to drop some love for a few Innova discs that I don't see people throwing much or giving credit. Vikings for one and Gazelles the next. Not many throw either and they don't know what they are missing. I hope they are not going extinct anytime soon!

I just wanted to drop some love for a few Innova discs that I don't see people throwing much or giving credit. Vikings for one and Gazelles the next. Not many throw either and they don't know what they are missing. I hope they are not going extinct anytime soon!



We have no plans to discontinue either of those. The Viking is one of my personal favorites.

Hi Dave-- is there any chance of a new disc that is like a teebird in every way, but with a touch of hi-speed turn? like an eagle with less low speed fade? made in dx plastic with a narrow wing, very controllable, etc. just curious--thanks

also Dave--how overstable is the teerex in dx plastic when new? what would you compare it to stability-wise? dx firebird? is there any chance of a max or monster in dx? thx again

Hi Dave-- is there any chance of a new disc that is like a teebird in every way, but with a touch of hi-speed turn? like an eagle with less low speed fade? made in dx plastic with a narrow wing, very controllable, etc. just curious--thanks



Try the new control driver (CD) from discmania.

what is the mold of the control driver? like a viking?

When you say the drivers are being discontinued in the Pro plastic, what drivers are you referring to? Both classes, distance and fairway, or just distance drivers? Thanks in advance



Both, unless we come up with a plastic substitute soon.



Wait a second.. where was this said? Is the Pro Line Plastic going away? I love my Pro Line TLs.

Wait a second.. where was this said? Is the Pro Line Plastic going away? I love my Pro Line TLs.



Yup, the Pro Line is being phased out...page 22 of this same thread posted by Dave D.



All Pro drivers will be eventually discontinued unless we can find a new supply. Last to go will be the Pro Wraith. Pro Orcs are already gone. We should have a slot for Roadrunnners this month.

The mold is based on the viking. The S-line version throws very much like the "zipper" vikings that many talked about that I think were the first run.

The d-line is a great finesse disc. Both are excellent.

Hi Dave-- is there any chance of a new disc that is like a teebird in every way, but with a touch of hi-speed turn? like an eagle with less low speed fade? made in dx plastic with a narrow wing, very controllable, etc. just curious--thanks



Maybe the CD from Discmania. Or a slightly beat up DX TeeBird.

also Dave--how overstable is the teerex in dx plastic when new? what would you compare it to stability-wise? dx firebird? is there any chance of a max or monster in dx? thx again



DX Teerex is probably at least as overstable as a Firebird when new. There is a good chance or both a Monster and a Max in DX if we can make them consistently. The higher up the scale a driver is, the more difficult it is to mold consistently.

also Dave--how overstable is the teerex in dx plastic when new? what would you compare it to stability-wise? dx firebird? is there any chance of a max or monster in dx? thx again



I remeber a few years ago that DGWN said that the Monster was out in DX plastic but I dont think that it ever happend. Was this true?? They had a picture of it, it looked like the Thing from F4.
DX Teerex is probably at least as overstable as a Firebird when new. There is a good chance or both a Monster and a Max in DX if we can make them consistently. The higher up the scale a driver is, the more difficult it is to mold consistently.

also Dave--how overstable is the teerex in dx plastic when new? what would you compare it to stability-wise? dx firebird? is there any chance of a max or monster in dx? thx again



DX Teerex is probably at least as overstable as a Firebird when new. There is a good chance or both a Monster and a Max in DX if we can make them consistently. The higher up the scale a driver is, the more difficult it is to mold consistently.



I remeber a few years ago that DGWN said that the Monster was out in DX plastic but I dont think that it ever happend. Was this true?? They had a picture of it, it looked like the Thing from F4.

also Dave--how overstable is the teerex in dx plastic when new? what would you compare it to stability-wise? dx firebird? is there any chance of a max or monster in dx? thx again



DX Teerex is probably at least as overstable as a Firebird when new. There is a good chance or both a Monster and a Max in DX if we can make them consistently. The higher up the scale a driver is, the more difficult it is to mold consistently.



I remeber a few years ago that DGWN said that the Monster was out in DX plastic but I dont think that it ever happend. Was this true?? They had a picture of it, it looked like the Thing from F4.



We attempted to do it, but were not successful.

(I searched and searched the Dave D boards and didn't find an answer. I am sorry if this has already been answered.)

I bought a new Champ TL from Julianna over the weekend. The stamp on it is from 2003.

When I showed some of my friends one of them indicated that it might be a different TL mold than is used now.

Anyone know anything about a recent re-tool of the TL mold?

Thanks,

Mike

(I searched and searched the Dave D boards and didn't find an answer. I am sorry if this has already been answered.)

I bought a new Champ TL from Julianna over the weekend. The stamp on it is from 2003.

When I showed some of my friends one of them indicated that it might be a different TL mold than is used now.

Anyone know anything about a recent re-tool of the TL mold?

Thanks,

Mike



No retool has occurred.

do you plan on running TL's or SL's in DX? especially now that you are phasing out pro?

I am wondering, How many champion whippet X were made (ring stamp) and what do they sell for?

2 thousand.
2 much.

Star Whippet-X, please?

I noticed in the 2007 Innova catalog one area indicates that Star Classic Rocs will be sold at reg. 16.99, in another it indicates that there are none. What is the scoop, when might we see some Star Classic Rocs.

do you plan on running TL's or SL's in DX? especially now that you are phasing out pro?



No, but it's a good idea worth considering.

I noticed in the 2007 Innova catalog one area indicates that Star Classic Rocs will be sold at reg. 16.99, in another it indicates that there are none. What is the scoop, when might we see some Star Classic Rocs.



They're stilll available through the CFR/TFR program.

am i to assume that the qmega is between the star aviar and the star aviar driver in both stability and glide?

Hi,
On the regular rancho rocs- I got one in a stack where the bird is on the left. What gives?
Thanks

am i to assume that the qmega is between the star aviar and the star aviar driver in both stability and glide?



Now I'm curious.. how about the Sirius Omega vs. Star Aviar and Star Aviar Driver? And how would you compare the SuperSoft and Sirius Omega?

am i to assume that the qmega is between the star aviar and the star aviar driver in both stability and glide?



Now I'm curious.. how about the Sirius Omega vs. Star Aviar and Star Aviar Driver? And how would you compare the SuperSoft and Sirius Omega?


Star Aviar (Aviar P&amp;A) - original "no bead" aviar - straightest flying with least amount of fade
Omega/supersoft - small beaded aviar - slightly more high speed stable, less flippy right out of the hand on hard throws
Star Aviar Driver/KC/JK-X - big bead avair - more high speed stability and more low speed fade

am i to assume that the qmega is between the star aviar and the star aviar driver in both stability and glide?


Qmega is much closer to the Star Aviar than the Aviar Driver

Hi,
On the regular rancho rocs- I got one in a stack where the bird is on the left. What gives?
Thanks



No clue. I would have to see the stamps.

man I have always thought the stamp on the DX Banshee was on a bird intil today I got mine in the mail :p

Dave,
Could you please post the March CFR winners? Thx

I was wondering if Innova has records of when first runs of all discs were made? I've seen people on ebay claim that an avair-xd was the first roc, I have a packing slip from may 1986 saying rocs are the new hot disc. I have been collecting for a long time and would love to see the source set all the records straight. Does anybody have this info ? If not , I think it would be great to have this info for ebay , collectors, and so people 30 years from now can look at the roots of the best sport in the world!!! I'm sure it's alot of work but the longer it goes undone , the more work it becomes. Thats just my humble opinion. Looking forward to an answer. Thanks for 23 years of pure enjoyment and for takeing the time to serve the public!!! thanks Mark Peterson

Wish S Johnson would complete his book. Or, Innova has Mark get pictures from all of us collectors and build a gallery of all of the standard stamped &amp; first run stamped Innova discs.

I have a driver that the abbervation seems to say JOF or SOF but on the innova website those abbervations are not used this disc is blank and i like it alot and would like to know what kind of disc it is.

Sirius Orion LF

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i would agree with mark, a "Timeline" of all discs from Innova would be a good thing for collectors. i have a handful of old discs but i am not exactly sure what is the oldest etc.

Mr. Dave sir-

Are there runs of the classic roc in the newer dx plastic? All I've seen thusfar is the original dx.

Mr. Dave sir-

Are there runs of the classic roc in the newer dx plastic? All I've seen thusfar is the original dx.



Yes. The newer runs will have a slightly more bull nosed look to them and will be more high speed stable.

I was wondering how the MAX compares to a monster i throw champion monsters for all my stable drives my monster isn't that beat up but it is starting to turnover more and more and i was told a MAX is like an 11 speed monster is this true?

I was wondering how the MAX compares to a monster i throw champion monsters for all my stable drives my monster isn't that beat up but it is starting to turnover more and more and i was told a MAX is like an 11 speed monster is this true?



Yes, basically

Mr. Dave sir-

Are there runs of the classic roc in the newer dx plastic? All I've seen thusfar is the original dx.



Yes. The newer runs will have a slightly more bull nosed look to them and will be more high speed stable.



Bingo! I bought a classic roc in the newer plastic and thought I'd have to run it over with a semi to break it in to "old" classic roc style. If I play enough coldbrook, that's like a semi though.
Dave, is this a trait of the newest blend of DX plastic? I've noticed not only the CR, but my spider is more stable that the older stuff...and not to mention the newest run of DX drivers.

BTW, Kudos on the DX Teerex! Good choice on the X mold.

-The Truth

Is it possible to see something like a Aviar p&amp;a in some FLX like plastic?

Mr. Dave sir-

Are there runs of the classic roc in the newer dx plastic? All I've seen thusfar is the original dx.



Yes. The newer runs will have a slightly more bull nosed look to them and will be more high speed stable.



Bingo! I bought a classic roc in the newer plastic and thought I'd have to run it over with a semi to break it in to "old" classic roc style. If I play enough coldbrook, that's like a semi though.
Dave, is this a trait of the newest blend of DX plastic? I've noticed not only the CR, but my spider is more stable that the older stuff...and not to mention the newest run of DX drivers.

BTW, Kudos on the DX Teerex! Good choice on the X mold.

-The Truth



Yes, the newer DX plastic tends to be a little more stable if molded well. The long range drivers have been the most difficult to mold well. Putters, mid ranges, and fairway drivers have been going generally well, which includes the Spider and CR.

Is it possible to see something like a Aviar p&amp;a in some FLX like plastic?



I don't know what FLX is other than flexible. We have made many different gummy discs in the past, and will continue to in the future. If that is what you mean.

I am certain that he was referring to the Discraft plastic. ;)

How about this as a rephrase of the other question:

Does anyone know how Discraft FLX plastic compares to Gummy Star plastic (such as the Rhynos).

How about this as a rephrase of the other question:

Does anyone know how Discraft FLX plastic compares to Gummy Star plastic (such as the Rhynos).



I throw lots of low weight gummy Champion discs (they are my favorites) and have been trying out an FLX Buzz. I find the plastic to feel and behave in a very similar manner.

How about this as a rephrase of the other question:

Does anyone know how Discraft FLX plastic compares to Gummy Star plastic (such as the Rhynos).



I throw lots of low weight gummy Champion discs (they are my favorites) and have been trying out an FLX Buzz. I find the plastic to feel and behave in a very similar manner.

The gummy star Skeeters are super close to flx

Dave,

I needed to purchase a Stingray and was @ Sports Authority sadly enough and noticed that there was one odd ball in the 6 or so to choose from.

5 out of 6 said San Marino on the underside and Multi Use on the front, while 1 said Ontario underneath and Mid-Range on the front???

What gives?? The Ontario looked like a different disc except for the artwork.

Thanks

Dave,

I needed to purchase a Stingray and was @ Sports Authority sadly enough and noticed that there was one odd ball in the 6 or so to choose from.

5 out of 6 said San Marino on the underside and Multi Use on the front, while 1 said Ontario underneath and Mid-Range on the front???

What gives?? The Ontario looked like a different disc except for the artwork.

Thanks



The Ontario is also known as a Flattop. We don't use that mold anymore. It was used as a substitute when the San Marino mold wasn't working properly.
The San Marino has been repaired, so there is no longer any use for the Ontario.

Dave, I'm sure this has been asked many times before but the search came up with nothing. I just got back from our local disc golf shop and i picked up a KC Aviar that has no (X) stamp on it. Just has the double line from top to bottom. I compaired it to my Aviars at home (10X, 11X, and 12X) and this one is closest to the 10X. It is very stiff/hard and is almost concave accross the top. I am assuming that this would be considered a 0X Aviar like the Roc's with this stamp, but my question is what mold was used to make this and why the difference in shape. I accually pulled it out of a box that just came in from Innova to the shop this morning so it's not one that has been setting in the shop for a while.

Thanks

its refered to as a 0x. its almost the same as an 11x if not the same. 10x's were not concave on top and had a different(better) feeling plastic. it from when Ken didn't win the worlds.

its refered to as a 0x. its almost the same as an 11x if not the same. 10x's were not concave on top and had a different(better) feeling plastic. it from when Ken didn't win the worlds.



Thank You

Wonder why this one came in this mornings order. Oh well, are they worth anything?

just trying to get them out of stock. not worth anything more than retail

Are DX Vipers being discontinued anytime soon? I noticed ZoneDriven does not have them in stock. I am just curious if they won't be run anymore.

Are DX Vipers being discontinued anytime soon? I noticed ZoneDriven does not have them in stock. I am just curious if they won't be run anymore.



DX Vipers are still being produced. We have an ample supply at this time. I don't know why Zonedriven does not have/show them in stock.

What kind of plastic is the 2007 Am World Rocs? durability? thanks

What kind of plastic is the 2007 Am World Rocs? durability? thanks



It's a blend of Pro and Champion with the durability between Pro and Champion.

would it be possible to stamp a disc with a big foil circle in the middle that would look like a mirror, something like the whippet and gator 1st run stamp but filled in completely, it would make a nice 1st run edition.

would it be possible to stamp a disc with a big foil circle in the middle that would look like a mirror, something like the whippet and gator 1st run stamp but filled in completely, it would make a nice 1st run edition.



That would be possible, but very difficult. Heavy coverage, especially in the middle is the most difficult thing to do with a hot stamp. Air bubbles are trapped beneath the foil and the foil would have a difficult time sticking in random places.

Dave ... Star Gator X?

Dave ... Star Gator X?



You read my mind!!!! Bring me my tin foil hat!!

Dave ... Star Gator X?

The regular Champ Gator's are stable enough no need for an X

I going to take a guess that X is referring to the Champ mold as compared to the Star mold. And I heard that the Champ got discontinued (is this true?), so that would be a good reason for a different Star mold.

Then again, I'm from the school of thought that says if the mold changes you should change the name. I understand that the goal is to keep flight characteristics the same across types of plastic, but for instance, I was really dissappointed to get my Star Gremlins and they not be the mold I was expecting. They have since been sold to someone else.

Dave ... Star Gator X?



The plan right now is to make DX and Champion in the new mold (X). The Champion type will be a limited run. Not sure what type of Star we will run next time, but it will most likely be limited too. The Stars were run in the new mold with an L stripper, but they tested overstable. Is that not how they fly?

i prefer the original mold gator in the champ and dx. i thought the star i bought was less overstable, and the mold is definately diffirent. when youi say new x-type, do you mean the original gator mold,? this is what i have and throw in dx and champ. it works great imo. do you know when the dx leopards will be run in the new dx plastic? thx

i prefer the original mold gator in the champ and dx. i thought the star i bought was less overstable, and the mold is definately diffirent. when youi say new x-type, do you mean the original gator mold,? this is what i have and throw in dx and champ. it works great imo. do you know when the dx leopards will be run in the new dx plastic? thx



New X type Gators are similar to the original, but with a new top part. The Leopards have been run already. They were run in a blend of new and older DX.

Dave, No complaints about the new Star Gator L. It's dead straight with a nice hard fade. The CH Gator, Original, seemed to me to be more high speed overstable which made it less prone to turning over in the wind and better for hyser spike type shots. The new SGL flies like an original that is broken in ... and that's about when I used to retire my CH Gators.
I think I can say that what those of us who throw (or used to throw) the CH Gator Original want is a really overstable version of the Gator with high-speed overstable flight, and lot's of fade.
When I flick a Gator, I don't want it to fly too straight, I would like it to turn a bit during the high-speed portion of the flight, and then fade hard. That's how the old CH Gator with the holo stamp flew.

thx dave. are the pro leopards any more stable than dx? also--why mess with the gator at all? it was perfect [for me] in dx and champ. how is the new top different in feel and flight? thx again--ss

thx dave. are the pro leopards any more stable than dx? also--why mess with the gator at all? it was perfect [for me] in dx and champ. how is the new top different in feel and flight? thx again--ss



Pro Leopards are less stable than DX. The Star and Champion are a little more stable. I messed with the Gator because I throw them and was disappointed with the occassional Gator I threw. It was too easy for me to flip them up. I wanted them to be stable into a good velocity wind. They were not always stable. They will be now. We might leave the Star Gator the way it is for those who don't want the extra stability.

ummm..........i think we have allready asked about every innova disc.......

Dave,

Thanks for the Star Roadrunner, i just bought two this evening!

Have you thrown them, and -- if so -- how do they fly?

thanks Dave--good to know there will always be a gator in champ and dx that is overstable. i throw them alot.

Dave,

Thanks for the Star Roadrunner, i just bought two this evening!

Have you thrown them, and -- if so -- how do they fly?



Yes, I have thrown them. I currently have two in my bag. I have been using them for low long tunnel shots that I start with hyzer. I get good distance with this disc.

Generally, I would say they have good speed, very good glide, a nice slow turn, and a moderately low fade.

Dont know if you cover things other than just discs, but I was wondering if you knew when the new competition bag will be released? The catalog says early spring 07, I'm just wondering when I can expect it to be out. Thanks!

Dont know if you cover things other than just discs, but I was wondering if you knew when the new competition bag will be released? The catalog says early spring 07, I'm just wondering when I can expect it to be out. Thanks!



The new Competition Bag will be released in about two to three weeks. It is currently undergoing stress testing, which I expect it to pass. I have been using this bag for the past two months. This bag is made by our affiliates in Japan, Hero Discs.

Dave,

Thanks for the Star Roadrunner, i just bought two this evening!

Have you thrown them, and -- if so -- how do they fly?



Yes, I have thrown them. I currently have two in my bag. I have been using them for low long tunnel shots that I start with hyzer. I get good distance with this disc.

Generally, I would say they have good speed, very good glide, a nice slow turn, and a moderately low fade.




How would you compare the Star Roadrunner to the Champ Roadrunner in terms of stability, speed, and grip?

Thanks!

Dave,

Thanks for the Star Roadrunner, i just bought two this evening!

Have you thrown them, and -- if so -- how do they fly?



Yes, I have thrown them. I currently have two in my bag. I have been using them for low long tunnel shots that I start with hyzer. I get good distance with this disc.

Generally, I would say they have good speed, very good glide, a nice slow turn, and a moderately low fade.




How would you compare the Star Roadrunner to the Champ Roadrunner in terms of stability, speed, and grip?

Thanks!



They seem comparable to each other for flight. I prefer the grip of the Star.

how does the rr differ from the sidewinder, and how do they differ from the leopard [dx], aside from speed. the flight ratings tell me i guess, but i get more from people who have thrown them. thanks

how does the rr differ from the sidewinder, and how do they differ from the leopard [dx], aside from speed. the flight ratings tell me i guess, but i get more from people who have thrown them. thanks



that's the kind of info i would love as well. for example the strengths and weaknesses (Roadrunner, Sidewinder, Leopard) of each of these molds (in candy plastic) relative to one another...

i am guessing a positive of the Leopard would be it is least nose-angle sensitive and longest but the drawback might be it is slower, followed by the RR and then the SW (Sidewinder being the most nose-angle sensitive but also the fastest and longest). (?)

From what I've experenced the Sidewinder is a little more stable than the Roadrunner. If you flip a roadrunner it'll stay flipped which is why its a good disc to throw rollers with, while a Sidewinder will fade back a bit at the end of its flight making it a great straight shot driver. The Leopard is alot like a Sidewinder when new but slower flight wise.

Which works best for you if you have a long, tight, straight wooded tunnel shot where you can't afford too much fade?

Dave -- if you know you can't reach the pin due to the hole length on such a shot -- would you gear down to a midrange in order to maintain accuracy?

I'd go with a TL or a putter

Which works best for you if you have a long, tight, straight wooded tunnel shot where you can't afford too much fade?

Dave -- if you know you can't reach the pin due to the hole length on such a shot -- would you gear down to a midrange in order to maintain accuracy?



I would use a Leopard if I were going for it and there was enough room, or I might throw a very low shot with a Roadrunner. Or gear down and throw a soft DX midrange, if I had one, or a Putter, if the fairway were too narrow. The soft midrange or putter would prevent mammoth bounces off trees on imperfect shots. The tree bounces could be much worse than the fade at the end of a shot.

Coyote.

Which works best for you if you have a long, tight, straight wooded tunnel shot where you can't afford too much fade?

Dave -- if you know you can't reach the pin due to the hole length on such a shot -- would you gear down to a midrange in order to maintain accuracy?



DX Ontario Roc ;)

Dave,
This question has probably been asked before but my search returned nothing.
Do you think there will ever be a run of star whippets? I think they would be awesome in that softer star run kinda like some of the firebirds.
Thanks

There has been talk of a run of star whippets for a while, they just haven't gotten around to running them yet (i think). I would prefer a softer plastic too (not hard and slick like the star sharks)

Dave,
This question has probably been asked before but my search returned nothing.
Do you think there will ever be a run of star whippets? I think they would be awesome in that softer star run kinda like some of the firebirds.
Thanks



Yes, we will do a small run when we can.

Dave, Star Gator X! Just a reminder. ;)

im sure you answered this before..... what aviar mold is the q-mega? is it the same as the driver mold??? there are enough of them to get me all confused!



The Q-mega, SS Omega, and S Omega are now the only small bead putter Aviars. We have changed our putters to the beadless.

Dave,
This question has probably been asked before but my search returned nothing.
Do you think there will ever be a run of star whippets? I think they would be awesome in that softer star run kinda like some of the firebirds.
Thanks



Yes, we will do a small run when we can.



I can't believe that this post has went unnoticed by a certain individual who putts with an AviarX... :eek: :D

any chance for a return of the gremlin? maybe in star

There was a small run done last year for the TFR program. Here's at least one thread about them:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=530384&amp;page=0&amp;fpart=1&amp;vc =1

And here's a couple of links to where you might be able to get some now:

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/vie...4059b38fcddee90 (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=ST_GRM&amp;PHPSESSID=2872da04 059b38fcddee90)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Star-CFR-Grem...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Star-CFR-Gremlin-Rare-Disc-Golf-Midrange_W0QQitemZ320107348779QQihZ011QQcategoryZ2 0851QQcmdZViewItem)

Hi Dave,

Would there ever be a possibility of a Flat-top (or Ching stamped...not sure what you guys at Innova call them) Roc in any material other than DX? Possibly KC Pro or Super?

Thanks,

RustyP

Hi Dave:

Some of the online retailers have me very confused. Maybe you can help me out. Please educate me about Starfires.

I am familiar with:
Starfire (Champ and Star)
Starfire-L (Champ, Star and Pro)

Is there also something called the Starfire-X? If so, how much more overstable is it than the Starfire?

Thanks,

Mike

Is this the general scheme of things? A regular mold, an L mold and an X mold?

Hi Dave:

Some of the online retailers have me very confused. Maybe you can help me out. Please educate me about Starfires.

I am familiar with:
Starfire (Champ and Star)
Starfire-L (Champ, Star and Pro)

Is there also something called the Starfire-X? If so, how much more overstable is it than the Starfire?

Thanks,

Mike

Is this the general scheme of things? A regular mold, an L mold and an X mold?



The molds are CFR runs witch I dont think they make anymore, then they came out with Champ SL as fundraiser, which is the same as a Pro, or Star SL, then they came out with the Starfire in mass production in Champ and Star which is the X mold. There were some CFR-X's out there too.

So think SL=understable
CFR=straight
X=overstable

I like the X molds!

A Starfire-X would have to be pretty similar to a Flick. I have an SL and it's really overstable. I may need to find one of those SX's.

Not as fast but Star Starfires are great wind discs cause they just fly straight into a stiff head wind without turnning over like a Tee Rex might.

A Starfire-X would have to be pretty similar to a Flick. I have an SL and it's really overstable. I may need to find one of those SX's.



The SL/SF are as close of a pair as you can get to the TB/TL combo. Some new Star SLs are more overstable than some Champ SFs, just like some TLs are more stable/as stable as some TBs (compare older CFR TLs to newer opaque Champ TBs and the TL is more stable). So if you know Teebirds then you understand the fundamental differences between L and X. X is always more predictable, especially during the last portion of the flight, L has more glide and forward penetration during the finish. I think the SF is faster, the SL has more distance potential. Hope this helps.

Hi Dave,

Would there ever be a possibility of a Flat-top (or Ching stamped...not sure what you guys at Innova call them) Roc in any material other than DX? Possibly KC Pro or Super?

Thanks,

RustyP



As far as I know, the process only works on DX. However, you might try a Sentinel. It is essentially a flat Roc in Pro.

The current Starfire is the X mold. It is made in Star and Champion. The original hasn't been made for several years. The Starfire L is made in Star and Pro plastic. It is no longer made in Champion.

Do you guys release a truckload of these new rocs to pros/other folks for them to sell themselves? Ebay is totally raping on these.

Do you guys release a truckload of these new rocs to pros/other folks for them to sell themselves? Ebay is totally raping on these.



No. Even Innova employees and sponsored players pay $25.00 or or $18.99 for a FS.

Dave, i think i remember you saying the next run of champ banshees would be slightly more overstable? have you run these yet, and whats new for this month?

So when is pro plastic going to be disconinued?

I've asked before about a possible high school disc golf player scholarship and I was curious if theres any possibility of that in the near future?? Collegiate disc golf that I've seen is really booming and I'm very excited about it.

Dave, i think i remember you saying the next run of champ banshees would be slightly more overstable? have you run these yet, and whats new for this month?


Yes, they have been run. The Star Roadrunner is the newest disc. The Competition Bag is the newest product.

So when is pro plastic going to be disconinued?



Pro driver plastic will probably be discontinued next year.

I've asked before about a possible high school disc golf player scholarship and I was curious if theres any possibility of that in the near future?? Collegiate disc golf that I've seen is really booming and I'm very excited about it.



We don't have any plans around that yet, but collegiate disc golf is starting to happen, so it's a possibility in the future years.

And chance of running a line of Champion Plastic Discs with the DX artwork instead of the usual Champ artwork? Maybe running it as a Limited Edition line? ;)

And chance of running a line of Champion Plastic Discs with the DX artwork instead of the usual Champ artwork? Maybe running it as a Limited Edition line? ;)



And vice-versa???? Star too? Mix it up!!

I might have to order some customs for fund raising I've been thinking of to add chains to old baskets/replace baskets at two of our local courses.

Dave, what kind of permission is required to have custom stamps based on original Innova artwork?

There was a 12x Star Wraith yesterday as payout for the GPO is this going to be a regular run of wraiths now?? I would like a gummy gatorX.

And chance of running a line of Champion Plastic Discs with the DX artwork instead of the usual Champ artwork? Maybe running it as a Limited Edition line? ;)



I suppose we could, but we would have to have the time. Might be a good idea.

And chance of running a line of Champion Plastic Discs with the DX artwork instead of the usual Champ artwork? Maybe running it as a Limited Edition line? ;)



And vice-versa???? Star too? Mix it up!!

I might have to order some customs for fund raising I've been thinking of to add chains to old baskets/replace baskets at two of our local courses.

Dave, what kind of permission is required to have custom stamps based on original Innova artwork?



I don't think that would be a problem depending on what art or stamp it is, and how it's done.

There was a 12x Star Wraith yesterday as payout for the GPO is this going to be a regular run of wraiths now?? I would like a gummy gatorX.



Yes, KC is now on Wraiths. We will redo the stamp if he wins another. :)
I, too, would like a semi gummy Gator X.

There was a 12x Star Wraith yesterday as payout for the GPO is this going to be a regular run of wraiths now?? I would like a gummy gatorX.



Yes, KC is now on Wraiths. We will redo the stamp if he wins another. :)
I, too, would like a semi gummy Gator X.



Yeah baby ... Gummy Gator X ... now we're talking!

I know for sure that its been asked before but I can not find it. Has the retooled version of the TeeRex been distributed yet? If it has, can it be expected that most bought in the future will be of the more overstable version?

I know for sure that its been asked before but I can not find it. Has the retooled version of the TeeRex been distributed yet? If it has, can it be expected that most bought in the future will be of the more overstable version?



The TeeRex X is in fundraising for now. The normal version is in wider distribution. We haven't made a decision on which way to go yet.

Was the 10 x kc pro eagle (seems to be like a champion plastic) the overstable version, or just the regular?

I know for sure that its been asked before but I can not find it. Has the retooled version of the TeeRex been distributed yet? If it has, can it be expected that most bought in the future will be of the more overstable version?



The TeeRex X is in fundraising for now. The normal version is in wider distribution. We haven't made a decision on which way to go yet.



Wait wasn't the DX Teerex ran with the Teerex X mold? Which mold were the DX ones with the SoCal Disc Golf Championships on them? All I can say is that I have one of those and it is as overstable as I want it to be but I have seen brand new max weight DX Teerexes (the ones with the normal DX stamp) flip flat and turnover. I vote go with the overstable ones for consistency sake.
Thanks Dave!
J

Two questions one for Dave the other for everyone. First Dave any word on those Starfire X in DX??? You said it may not be possible, but I'm dying for one. Second, I picked up an old Innova disc with a flying eye stamp on it that I originally thought was a Viper, I spoke with a friend and he thought it might be a Ram. I have never felt a Ram so I am not sure about this. The plastic is old DX feels the same as my Ontario Rocs. It also has an ink stamp on the bottom that is smudged so I can't see it. Can you give me any history on this and tell me the difference between a Ram and a Viper.

Thanks
Scott "Disc Ninja" Hoffman

I know for sure that its been asked before but I can not find it. Has the retooled version of the TeeRex been distributed yet? If it has, can it be expected that most bought in the future will be of the more overstable version?



The TeeRex X is in fundraising for now. The normal version is in wider distribution. We haven't made a decision on which way to go yet.



Wait wasn't the DX Teerex ran with the Teerex X mold? Which mold were the DX ones with the SoCal Disc Golf Championships on them? All I can say is that I have one of those and it is as overstable as I want it to be but I have seen brand new max weight DX Teerexes (the ones with the normal DX stamp) flip flat and turnover. I vote go with the overstable ones for consistency sake.
Thanks Dave!
J



We will go with the more stable version for DX because it is so difficult to mold consistently stable.

Two questions one for Dave the other for everyone. First Dave any word on those Starfire X in DX??? You said it may not be possible, but I'm dying for one. Second, I picked up an old Innova disc with a flying eye stamp on it that I originally thought was a Viper, I spoke with a friend and he thought it might be a Ram. I have never felt a Ram so I am not sure about this. The plastic is old DX feels the same as my Ontario Rocs. It also has an ink stamp on the bottom that is smudged so I can't see it. Can you give me any history on this and tell me the difference between a Ram and a Viper.

Thanks
Scott "Disc Ninja" Hoffman



We were unable to run the DX Starfires yet, but it still is in the schedule. Hopefully we can do it by summer.

A Ram has a wider rim than the Viper.

We finally got Champion Teerex-Xs in yesterday. They fly like the mad overstable Red Proto Teerexs. Its about time I found one that flew like the first one I had. These are true Teerexs, not just beefy Wraiths.

Two questions one for Dave the other for everyone. First Dave any word on those Starfire X in DX??? You said it may not be possible, but I'm dying for one. Second, I picked up an old Innova disc with a flying eye stamp on it that I originally thought was a Viper, I spoke with a friend and he thought it might be a Ram. I have never felt a Ram so I am not sure about this. The plastic is old DX feels the same as my Ontario Rocs. It also has an ink stamp on the bottom that is smudged so I can't see it. Can you give me any history on this and tell me the difference between a Ram and a Viper.

Thanks
Scott "Disc Ninja" Hoffman



We were unable to run the DX Starfires yet, but it still is in the schedule. Hopefully we can do it by summer.

A Ram has a wider rim than the Viper.



COuld it be an old-mold whippet?

Any chance of running a batch of Glow Ontario Rocs Dave? I would be forever indebted!!!

Two questions one for Dave the other for everyone. First Dave any word on those Starfire X in DX??? You said it may not be possible, but I'm dying for one. Second, I picked up an old Innova disc with a flying eye stamp on it that I originally thought was a Viper, I spoke with a friend and he thought it might be a Ram. I have never felt a Ram so I am not sure about this. The plastic is old DX feels the same as my Ontario Rocs. It also has an ink stamp on the bottom that is smudged so I can't see it. Can you give me any history on this and tell me the difference between a Ram and a Viper.

Thanks
Scott "Disc Ninja" Hoffman



We were unable to run the DX Starfires yet, but it still is in the schedule. Hopefully we can do it by summer.

A Ram has a wider rim than the Viper.



COuld it be an old-mold whippet?



Whippets are 175 gm diameter. Vipers and Rams are 180 gm diameter.

Any chance of running a batch of Glow Ontario Rocs Dave? I would be forever indebted!!!



Yes, good idea. We just started running Ontarios today. Thanks.

Whooo hoooooo!!! Thanks Dave!

Yeah, Glow Ontarios sound awesome.

Wait wasn't the DX Teerex ran with the Teerex X mold? Which mold were the DX ones with the SoCal Disc Golf Championships on them? All I can say is that I have one of those and it is as overstable as I want it to be but I have seen brand new max weight DX Teerexes (the ones with the normal DX stamp) flip flat and turnover. I vote go with the overstable ones for consistency sake.
Thanks Dave!
J

Those DX Teerexes from the So Cal Championships are superb. The plastic is dense, durable and super grippy. plus they are overstable like a whippet when new. The other day we had the strongest winds of the year 30mph+ and I was the only person able to throw 350' left hook into the headwind. I would love to see more teerexes like these (my 175 champ teerex-x gsc stamp are far less overstable)

When/where could we get the KC Wraiths, Glow Ontario Roc's? Also, I really want to find some black DX Aviar P&amp;A's. Do they exist? Innova is awesome.

When/where could we get the KC Wraiths, Glow Ontario Roc's? Also, I really want to find some black DX Aviar P&amp;A's. Do they exist? Innova is awesome.



The KC Wraiths are already in mass distribution. I don't know who specifically has them, but I would imagine someone on this message board does know who does.

Glow Ontarios have not been run yet. Most likely next week, and when they are they will go to fundraising for tournies.

Black DX Aviar P&amp;A do exist, but I'm not sure if they have been hotstamped yet. If not, they will be available for custom stamping.

Also, I really want to find some black DX Aviar P&amp;A's. Do they exist? Innova is awesome.



Zach says get some black shoe polish and you'll be allright...haha

I've seen em around they just get bought out almost immediatly.

When/where could we get the KC Wraiths, Glow Ontario Roc's? Also, I really want to find some black DX Aviar P&amp;A's. Do they exist? Innova is awesome.



You should be able to get black Aviars from Discgolfvalues.com (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/home.htm)

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The link above works now.

Here it is again: Discgolfvalues.com (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/home.htm)

Dave,

I recently picked up a new star stingray as did a buddy of mine around the same time. When we were on the course the other day i was inspecting his and noticed significant differences. Mine is really domey but his is basically a flat top disc. I have yet to throw his, but besides the obvious domey-ness, what are the differences is their flight characteristics? These 2 discs are so different its almost like its not even the same disc as opposed to just a different mold. Thanks in advance