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mf100forever
Dec 20 2007, 03:45 AM
David, have you "disc-continued" the Rage, can�t find it on your site?

JHBlader86
Dec 20 2007, 02:33 PM
After much staring at a Sabre and the Hybrid in question, the disc is indeed a Hybrid, and why it flies like a Sabre is beyond me. But the flight plate seems thicker than the Sabre's I have. This disc had to have been goofed up somewhere in the molding process. I seriously feel like mailing the disc to you.

jtkustomizer
Dec 20 2007, 02:58 PM
Even new players prefer 170g and up for their putters and most want 174-175g.



I am sorry dave but i feel that i putt better with a lighter putter rather than the heavier ones. I havent even been playing for a year yet.


Will you be running anymore green SSS warlocks?

thediscinmusician
Dec 20 2007, 07:52 PM
You must not live in Athens, AL. It's pretty windy here and those light putters get blown all over the place. Heavy is good for the wind. I think it holds the line better as well or for at least a little bit longer!

JHBlader86
Dec 20 2007, 08:21 PM
You must not live in Athens, AL. It's pretty windy here and those light putters get blown all over the place. Heavy is good for the wind. I think it holds the line better as well or for at least a little bit longer!



OMG The Athen's winds scare the crap out of me. After the LCCC this past year, for 2 weeks after that anytime I felt a slight breeze on the course I would putt low thinking the wind would pick it up. The most INSANE winds I've ever played! I was using a FLX Surge as a midrange.

readysetstab
Dec 20 2007, 08:58 PM
I have never seen the woodchuck or any other golf disc from daredevil discs, but I have a hard time believing its that much MORE flexible than the the latest runs of SSS Wizards and Warlocks. If The King says its that flexible then it probably is, but with The woodchuck(?)only weighing 165-167 grams, It couldnt have that big of an impact on the game or our sales.
Even new players prefer 170g and up for their putters and most want 174-175g.



last time i talked to nikko he had switched to mid 160s putters. said he had better feel with them or something like that :eek:

of course he could have switched back by now...

vwkeepontruckin
Dec 20 2007, 09:05 PM
I have never seen the woodchuck or any other golf disc from daredevil discs, but I have a hard time believing its that much MORE flexible than the the latest runs of SSS Wizards and Warlocks. If The King says its that flexible then it probably is, but with The woodchuck(?)only weighing 165-167 grams, It couldnt have that big of an impact on the game or our sales.
Even new players prefer 170g and up for their putters and most want 174-175g.



last time i talked to nikko he had switched to mid 160s putters. said he had better feel with them or something like that :eek:

of course he could have switched back by now...



He was using a 168 for elevation and jump putts, but not sure about right now...its been a while since I've played with him.

mikeP
Dec 21 2007, 10:30 AM
I have never seen the woodchuck or any other golf disc from daredevil discs, but I have a hard time believing its that much MORE flexible than the the latest runs of SSS Wizards and Warlocks. If The King says its that flexible then it probably is, but with The woodchuck(?)only weighing 165-167 grams, It couldnt have that big of an impact on the game or our sales.
Even new players prefer 170g and up for their putters and most want 174-175g.



last time i talked to nikko he had switched to mid 160s putters. said he had better feel with them or something like that :eek:

of course he could have switched back by now...



He was using a 168 for elevation and jump putts, but not sure about right now...its been a while since I've played with him.



I think that Nikko switched to a lighter putter because his arm is so tired because he's never taken a day off from putting practice.:D

jtkustomizer
Dec 21 2007, 02:05 PM
You must not live in Athens, AL. It's pretty windy here and those light putters get blown all over the place. Heavy is good for the wind. I think it holds the line better as well or for at least a little bit longer!





Its pretty windy in kansas too /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

thediscinmusician
Dec 22 2007, 12:03 AM
I suppose...it did take away Dorothy and Toto!

Smokey102977
Dec 22 2007, 12:56 PM
After working with Dave at the factory the other day, I have a new found appreciation to what he does to get his discs to consumers. We ran some sweet black wizards and adding the barium sulfate is a messy process. That stuff gets all over everything.

scooop08
Dec 23 2007, 07:25 PM
The factory is for sure a harder proces than most people think

sun_king
Dec 25 2007, 04:28 PM
Just a bit of clarification; the Woodchuck's are consistently more flexible than the SSS, but that might have something to do with a thinner flight plate and lighter overall weight (mid 160's) that these discs are run in. I'm sure Dave's expertise can help out on this subject.

That being said, if a new SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS run was just done, I'd be interested in getting a box or two for the website/store...;)

Merry Christmas,
Mike

JHBlader86
Dec 25 2007, 11:34 PM
The SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Wizard/Warlock would be like throwing a peice of wet TP at the basket. Pretty much guaranteed to grab chains if you could get some lift on it. But once you pick it up it'll start drooping all over and fall apart.

gdstour
Dec 28 2007, 01:43 AM
Even new players prefer 170g and up for their putters and most want 174-175g.



I am sorry dave but i feel that i putt better with a lighter putter rather than the heavier ones. I havent even been playing for a year yet.


Will you be running anymore green SSS warlocks?



we do have some green sss in both the Wizard and Warlock as well as some really cool new colors like deep blue and several shades of orange even a Watermelon color.

gdstour
Dec 28 2007, 01:48 AM
After working with Dave at the factory the other day, I have a new found appreciation to what he does to get his discs to consumers. We ran some sweet black wizards and adding the barium sulfate is a messy process. That stuff gets all over everything.


Dave, Thanks for the help in the Factory last week.
Are you still in town?
Did you get to play any courses while you were here in ST Louis?
Any feedback on those proto-Assassins yet????


BTW,
Dave was referring to the Chalky prototype runs of the Wizard which turned out Awesome :cool:

JHBlader86
Dec 28 2007, 05:37 AM
Are there any way's us regular folk can get us a couple of proto Wizards and Assassins?? A belated X-mas gift perhaps? :) Didnt know you were working on a new disc. So, what's the Assassin? I thought you all were still developing the dimpled Blaze, Sabre, and Hybrid.

thediscinmusician
Dec 28 2007, 09:29 AM
I second "the dude's" comment! I've been playing straight Gateway for about 6 months now and am absolutely in love with em!

Mark_Stephens
Dec 28 2007, 10:50 AM
We are not going to ask for free discs, BUT I would be interested if there was a way to know what discs you have currently in stock without calling the shop. Our club is looking to restock our discs before our tournaments start in the spring. It is nice to sit down and work out on paper what we are looking to get.

vwkeepontruckin
Dec 28 2007, 01:46 PM
Any feedback on those proto-Assassins yet????



Word?

Furthur
Dec 28 2007, 06:07 PM
So, what's the Assassin?



Search is awsome.



The assassin will be similar to the inferno with a blunter nose and thicker flight plate. it should fly just about the same.

gdstour
Dec 28 2007, 08:55 PM
Samples of the Assassin went out to all of our vendors yesterday along with a 2008 price list and marketing information.

The Assassin comes in Evolution Pro-line only right now. The flight is like a cross betwen a CE leapord and a pro line tee bird. It has a great feel in the hand and they are very controllable with a looooong glide.
Auto ship will begin on January 7th, so they should be in stores within a few weeks.

The Chalky wizards we ran are pretty much all spoken for and should hit the market soon.
I do have a few sets to sell as promotional. For those interested check e bay this weekend or email me for more information on our promtional sales: david@gdstour.com


Mark,
We have everything that's on our order form, in stock right now. Most models have a good variety of colors and weights. We are only scarce on S illusions, E and S hybrids, but will try and get some made after the first.

We have thought about going with live inventory but we sell discs as fast as they get hotstamped, so I cant see spending the extra time counting them.

Sponsored players who are listed on the website can call the shop to get discs when they need them.

Furthur
Dec 29 2007, 01:16 AM
The Assassin comes in Evolution Pro-line only right now. The flight is like a cross betwen a CE leapord and a pro line tee bird. It has a great feel in the hand and they are very controllable with a looooong glide.
Auto ship will begin on January 7th, so they should be in stores within a few weeks.




Dave,

That seems to differ with the response I copied from earlier in the year. Did you opt to apply the name to a different disc?

It sounds sabre-ish. Care to compare the flight, and do you have speed/glide/turn/fade numbers for the disc yet?

the_kid
Dec 29 2007, 01:47 AM
The Assassin comes in Evolution Pro-line only right now. The flight is like a cross betwen a CE leapord and a pro line tee bird. It has a great feel in the hand and they are very controllable with a looooong glide.
Auto ship will begin on January 7th, so they should be in stores within a few weeks.




Dave,

That seems to differ with the response I copied from earlier in the year. Did you opt to apply the name to a different disc?

It sounds sabre-ish. Care to compare the flight, and do you have speed/glide/turn/fade numbers for the disc yet?




Considering they are Protos I wouldn't expect the numbers to be out until he gets a few more made.

Furthur
Dec 29 2007, 01:38 PM
The Assassin comes in Evolution Pro-line only right now. The flight is like a cross betwen a CE leapord and a pro line tee bird. It has a great feel in the hand and they are very controllable with a looooong glide.
Auto ship will begin on January 7th, so they should be in stores within a few weeks.




Dave,

That seems to differ with the response I copied from earlier in the year. Did you opt to apply the name to a different disc?

It sounds sabre-ish. Care to compare the flight, and do you have speed/glide/turn/fade numbers for the disc yet?




Considering they are Protos I wouldn't expect the numbers to be out until he gets a few more made.



That's what I figured. Matt, have you gotten a chance to throw them yet?

gdstour
Dec 29 2007, 02:34 PM
Yes we decided to use the Assassin name for this shorter winged disc. It was just soooooo straight and accurate, it basically took over on the name.
I would put the flight ratings at 8-10-2-0 for a top level player with a lot of power and 7-9-1-1.

we may consider 2 sets of rating numbers for our discs. One for the full potential in a pros hands and the other for am players or those with less power.
If we can do this without it being confusing I'm sure it will help the players.

gdstour
Dec 29 2007, 02:48 PM
comparing the Assassin to a Sabre:

I would say this disc will allow for a player with 300 power a chance to use it for what a player with 400 power can do with a Sabre. Most players dont really have enough power to use a Sabre or other fairway drivers to their full potential.

It can be thrown lower than the Sabre with similar results.

It is a bit faster than the Sabre.

Because the wing is straight and not concaved it is easy for it to hold a turn over line at lower velocities.

because the nose is not as sharp it is very forgiving and not so dependent on the mung or attitude of nose on release.

The wing length and rim depth makes it really easy to release allowing for it to be a very accurate disc, especially on tunnel shots where you are only throwing at 60%-70% power.

They are about the same overall height as the milky white Sabres.

For those who are not familiar with the Sabre It is very similar to a pro-line tl/ce-leapord/starfire or and XL!
all depending on the amount of power a player has.

Furthur
Dec 29 2007, 08:00 PM
Dave, the Assassin sounds interesting. I look forward to getting my hands on it next month.

scooop08
Dec 29 2007, 11:26 PM
Hows it going Dave havent talked to you in a while.

Are the players going to be getting some protos soon? Also just got done cashing in a tournament go Gateway

Smokey102977
Jan 01 2008, 02:36 PM
The Assassin is living up to the hype. I was out driving my Diablo DT's by 50-100 ft. They have crazy glide and have a nice slow turn, then they stablize and come back nicely. I had my protege up here throw them and he was out driving every other driver that he uses, he still has yet to switch to Gateway drivers. All for all I believe that the Assassin could be the 2008 Disc of the Year.

As for Dave's Ratings I would say 8-10-2-1.

I didn't play any courses. I was able to get out to throw and got back into form. Thanks for everything and I hope to prove myself in the Pro division this year. Go <font color="red"> Team </font> <font color="blue"> Gateway </font> !

discchucker
Jan 01 2008, 04:12 PM
I am eagerly awaiting an Assassin. Can't wait to try one out. Hopefully I will be "assassinating" the competition shortly.

Was that too cheesey??? :D

JHBlader86
Jan 01 2008, 04:33 PM
So long as no one takes it as a death threat I think we can forgive the pun.

But after the reviews I want one soooo bad. I'll def. have to call the shop when it's released. As much as I try to get Gateway in BG no one will take em so I'm forced to either find a dealer at a tournament or get lucky online in a trade.

Smokey102977
Jan 01 2008, 06:23 PM
I just received a new Assassin from Gateway with the 2008 Ice Bowl stamp. This one makes 3. Thanks Dave and Justin! Can't wait for the Magic. This is going to be a sweet year for Gateway!

gdstour
Jan 02 2008, 06:47 AM
I have found another really good use for the assassin, it is a great controllable long and short range roller.
The rounded blunter nose and equal distribution of upper and lower camber on the wing, gives it great balance for rolling.
The discs are holding up to impact really well and the one I have been rolling has very little marks on it.

I asked Rick Rothstein, who owns the rights for the use of the Ice bowl name, if he didn't mind us using the stamp for the Assassin samples we sent out.
He agreed to let us stamp one discs for each customer.
Please throw these discs and do not collect them! :)

Hopefully those who have not signed up yet to run an ice bowl will be reminded do do so once they see the cool stamp.
Assassins are not available through ice bowl, but 3 different flexibilities of both the Wizard and warlock are on the order form.
Anyone interested in getting on the auto ship program for the Assassin ( which will start shipping on the 7th)should email me or call the shop.
for those who would like to run an Ice bowl, go to www.dgwn.com (http://www.dgwn.com)

Mark_Stephens
Jan 02 2008, 11:33 AM
He agreed to let us stamp one discs for each customer.



What do you mean here Dave? Like how Innova sends all their distibutors a Christmas disc?

Smokey102977
Jan 02 2008, 11:52 AM
I agree Dave. These are awesome roller discs. I rolled one out here that just kept going and going, like the Energizer Bunny! I normally use the Blurr as a roller because of the blunt nose and slight understability.

Tkeith
Jan 02 2008, 04:05 PM
When are the sponsored players going to be able to get there hands on the assassin

TK

Mark_Stephens
Jan 02 2008, 06:35 PM
Sponsored players who are listed on the website can call the shop to get discs when they need them.

sun_king
Jan 02 2008, 08:51 PM
Pre-Order The Assassin HERE! (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1732)

Dave, I test flew the Assassin a bit on New Years Day, this is a great disc! It's the perfect compliment to your current product line, way to kick off the new year!

JHBlader86
Jan 03 2008, 10:45 PM
How does the dome of the Assassin compare to the Sabre and Hybrid?

gdstour
Jan 04 2008, 01:01 AM
similar to a pro line tee bird!

Smokey102977
Jan 04 2008, 01:19 AM
Nice dome, more than the Sabre and Blaze, more similar to the Inferno dome. The disc is $$$$$$$. Anyone who has any Gateway in their bag needs this disc. It is way more comfortable to throw than most drivers.

JHBlader86
Jan 04 2008, 02:10 AM
Sounds like a dome matching the T-Bone if its similar to the Inferno, but I've never thrown the Pro Line Tee Bird so I dont know what that disc felt like.

dnblaudermilch
Jan 04 2008, 05:21 PM
Check out gatewayunderground.com for hard to find gateway discs and misprint packages at GREAT prices. We also sell on ebay with 3-5 disc bundles ranging from $14.99-$28.99.

discchucker
Jan 05 2008, 10:10 AM
Dave, did you get my message? Give me a shout.

Mark_Stephens
Jan 05 2008, 02:27 PM
I sent and email as well... :)

Smokey102977
Jan 09 2008, 10:56 PM
Magic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The next disc from Gateway after the Assassin.

JHBlader86
Jan 10 2008, 01:10 AM
Is the Magic supposed to be the new Distance Driver similar to the Inferno?

the_kid
Jan 10 2008, 01:14 AM
Is the Magic supposed to be the new Distance Driver similar to the Inferno?



Putter and is all over this thread in the past. :D

JHBlader86
Jan 10 2008, 01:34 AM
I'm not that willing to thread dive though.

the_kid
Jan 10 2008, 01:36 AM
I'm not that willing to thread dive though.



I figured you had been posting on this thread for a while.

JHBlader86
Jan 10 2008, 02:51 AM
Oh I do, but I thought there was supposed to be a new understable driver coming out unless the Assassin is what was referred to before the name was changed from Magic.

mikeP
Jan 10 2008, 10:37 AM
I thought the Magic was a name brought up originally for the beadless Wizard which was instead named the Warlock.

rollinghedge
Jan 10 2008, 11:14 AM
...because the Warlock did not come out as understable as desired.

dgdave
Jan 11 2008, 12:26 AM
Dave,

You said that the assassin has a flat wing and I saw a 1st run today which has a flat wing, but on ebay there is a set of 10 Assassins and the description says

"You are biding on 10 Gateway discs, These are first run Assassins. The first run is a more over stable version of the disc with more concave on the wing. These discs are orange and pink ranging in weights one of each from 165g to 176g. This is an awesome flyer with a great glide and easy to throw.
These are form a very limited run of about 400 and are very hard to come by."

In the picture you can see a concave on the wing. Why has the mold already changed and are the stores going to get half flat/ half concave wing shipments?

Smokey102977
Jan 11 2008, 01:06 AM
The Assassin is the driver that was slated for last year. It is similar to the Inferno in flight characteristics with more glide. The Magic was slated for this year to be a more understable version of the Warlock. The Warlock did come out to be a little too stable.

discchucker
Jan 11 2008, 09:29 AM
After more fielding/course testing of the Assassin, this thing has glide to spare. Dave, the course that you and I played when you were up for the challenge...the first big down hill hole. Well, I was pin high, left about 30 feet the other day. That doesn't happen too often when the season is on, let alone in the middle of winter. A very nice, controllable disc. From the way that the disc looks, you wouldn't expect it to get all that much distance, but man does this thing get out there.

Smokey102977
Jan 13 2008, 02:30 PM
The Assassins coming to stores are the flatter wing. The concave wing was really concave. It was modified to give a more understable flight.

JHBlader86
Jan 13 2008, 03:55 PM
Will we eventually see a reg. production run of the disc with the concave wing?

dgdave
Jan 13 2008, 06:07 PM
I was looking at some ebay listings and on one the Voodoo was listed as a disc being prototyped right now. What is this disc?

JHBlader86
Jan 13 2008, 06:20 PM
I think Smokey said it was one of 2 new putters.

dgdave
Jan 13 2008, 09:01 PM
What is the Voodoo supposed to fly like? Or is it a lid type putter? Any info out there?

Smokey102977
Jan 13 2008, 10:58 PM
Not sure about that. It does sound more like a Gateway Putter though. It may be the dimpled mid-range or putter that Dave was working on.

The concave wing design will probably not make the market. It was a difficult disc to grip due to the major curve in the wing.

gdstour
Jan 14 2008, 12:38 AM
Dave,

You said that the assassin has a flat wing and I saw a 1st run today which has a flat wing, but on ebay there is a set of 10 Assassins and the description says

"You are biding on 10 Gateway discs, These are first run Assassins. The first run is a more over stable version of the disc with more concave on the wing. These discs are orange and pink ranging in weights one of each from 165g to 176g. This is an awesome flyer with a great glide and easy to throw.
These are form a very limited run of about 400 and are very hard to come by."

In the picture you can see a concave on the wing, . Why has the mold already changed and are the stores going to get half flat/ half concave wing shipments?



As we were prototyping the ASSASSINS, there were a few made that had a concave wing. ( should have read less than 20 made, before we retooled the mold)
The ebay auction should have read prototype run, not first run.
Nikko does some of the eBay marketing, I usually go back and check the wording, but someone bid on the listing within a few minutes of it being up, and after its bid on, you cannot change the listing!

They are a bit too over-stable compared to the production run. (first run assassins).
I would say they are more like a tamed down Blaze with more glide!

Besides these 10,,,, there aren't any others for sale and there cant be anymore made either!

gdstour
Jan 14 2008, 12:45 AM
We have a few new putters coming besides the Magic.
We are working on a thumb groove for the top of new a putter and will use the name voodoo for a putter within the next 2 months or so, it may be for this type of putter, not sure yet. We just like the name "VOODOO" and wanted to get it out there!!

discchucker
Jan 14 2008, 11:52 AM
Hey Dave, any plans to run the Assassin in "S" plastic?

Thanks,
JT

jmc2442
Jan 14 2008, 01:26 PM
We have a few new putters coming besides the Magic.




wizards and warlocks are all anyone needs. :cool:

Mark_Stephens
Jan 14 2008, 01:42 PM
I would check out a putter with a thumb groove. I use a GT-Banger right now...

DNA_2
Jan 14 2008, 04:04 PM
yeah a putter with a thumb grip is always a good idea. I would definitely add one to my line up when its made.

Karma Police
Jan 16 2008, 03:47 PM
Hey Dave,
I've got 3 chalky black wizards from about 2 years ago that have the Gateway Disc Sports hotstamp and nothing else. Are these prototypes for the wizard or for the chalky type wizard? I'm not terribly familiar with these. Also, 1 of them has an S on the bottom but the other 2 do not. Would these two be Soft Wizards by default? Thanks for your time!

Smokey102977
Jan 16 2008, 05:24 PM
The S would be a soft Wizard. The other two could be a prototype. Do they feel more like an eraser rather than a normal S plastic?

Karma Police
Jan 16 2008, 06:44 PM
They are all the same but only one of them is listed as soft. The others just don't have a designation on the bottom. They definitely don't feel like the normal S plastic. White chalky stuff all over them.

Smokey102977
Jan 16 2008, 09:50 PM
If they have the patterned white chalk throughout the disc, they are similar to the black Wizard protos that went out recently. The powder is Barium Sulfate.

scooop08
Jan 17 2008, 09:39 AM
Hey Dave I saw on the other thread you were mentioning about players getting a contract email and to send in the disc we will need for the 08 season. I didn't get the email but I just sent you one asking about it. Also I called the shop the other day to get a few disc but I can go ahead and get the rest of what I need for the season if you want.

nydle28011
Jan 17 2008, 10:42 AM
for those of you who don't know Dave Mac has some sweet discs on ebay right now...You can get some of the new assassins and some new runs of the wizard (SSS runs that feel like eraser plastic).. Might check them out!

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgateway_discs_marketing

doot
Jan 19 2008, 12:30 AM
Hey Dave,

I'm sure it's been asked before but..is the Scout the same disc as the Demon?

Do you have any of the Red Demons with the black stamp of the devil in the center?

Thank you in advance.

doot

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 19 2008, 12:47 AM
Hey Doot, if he's out, I might have one in my box I can let go. I cant guarantee it's got a black stamp but it is definitely on of the run you are looking for. Drop me a pm if Dave can't help you.

doot
Jan 19 2008, 12:51 AM
cool, thank you Rod.

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 19 2008, 12:58 AM
No problem brother. At last count I had 15 demons in my stockpile and the run you're looking for is my least favorite so I won't miss it.

gokayaksteven
Jan 19 2008, 02:01 AM
least fave because they are less stable? I had some of those recent red ones...

Smokey102977
Jan 19 2008, 02:25 AM
I have a Red Demon to go with my other Demon. I like having two different stabilities in the Demon.

dgdave
Jan 19 2008, 09:40 AM
I hunting for some flat, glummy, red ones that were ran back in 2000 or 2001. All the one I had were in the upper 160's. If any of yall have one or three, let me know

nydle28011
Jan 20 2008, 01:10 PM
gatewayunderground.com has some flat gummy scouts, I think they have them at 5.99 each...I know they have red scouts these things are way overstable and way gummy

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 20 2008, 02:42 PM
Yes, because they are the least stable. I personally like the protos and the big engraving (1st run?) but don't mind the G5i's. The newer demonhead stamped just aren't the meathook I like in a Demon. I've even had them start to flip slightly within the first year of use. That's not the Demons I'm used to.

gokayaksteven
Jan 20 2008, 07:57 PM
i too bought some of these and was dissappointed and sold them

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 20 2008, 08:23 PM
I think it was the dome on them that made them so different as most of the red Demonhead run was very domey including the ones marked FX whereas most of the other runs that I listed were flatter overall.

gokayaksteven
Jan 21 2008, 12:13 AM
agree

otimechamp
Jan 21 2008, 12:47 PM
Flat S demons are money! I will take all those " Flat less stable Demons" of your hands!

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 21 2008, 01:12 PM
I think you misread me. Those are mine, it's the domey red Demonheads that I wouldn't miss. Those flat MEATHOOKS are just sitting, waiting for their turn in the bag. As it is, I'm pretty sure I'll be throwing G5i's or older until I reach masters age. That's even if they bump the age up again like they did a few years ago.

otimechamp
Jan 21 2008, 01:20 PM
I think you misread me. Those are mine, it's the domey red Demonheads that I wouldn't miss. Those flat MEATHOOKS are just sitting, waiting for their turn in the bag. As it is, I'm pretty sure I'll be throwing G5i's or older until I reach masters age. That's even if they bump the age up again like they did a few years ago.



(Clear)

All of the red S Demons I got last year are flat.

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 21 2008, 01:32 PM
Ah ok, now I understand. I haven't seen any of that run. I was refering to the run from a couple years ago that were very domey (almost like Scouts), primarily red though I did see a couple mustard yellow, and were the first time I'd seen the Demonhead stamp on anything other than the Ozark Mountain Open Demons from '01.

discchucker
Jan 21 2008, 06:20 PM
Actually...if you want meat hook, there was a run of G5i's that were made in this black s plastic that felt very rubbery to the touch. These bad boys, too bad they were black, were the shiznit. I have one left in my stash and I am saving it for a rainy day.

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 21 2008, 06:29 PM
Yes, I have 2 :D. Most black Gateway comes out "special". Do you throw E Elements? If so, try one of those in black. It's not even the same disc as the other colors.

gokayaksteven
Jan 21 2008, 07:29 PM
the recent red demonheads i got were domey and not that overstable--just to clarify

Furthur
Jan 21 2008, 08:12 PM
Yes, I have 2 :D. Most black Gateway comes out "special". Do you throw E Elements? If so, try one of those in black. It's not even the same disc as the other colors.



Those hard black E Elements are very stable. Very nice.

JHBlader86
Jan 21 2008, 08:26 PM
Yes, I have 2 :D. Most black Gateway comes out "special". Do you throw E Elements? If so, try one of those in black. It's not even the same disc as the other colors.



I have a black E Element that I havent gotten a chance to throw yet so how does it fly compared to the average E Element? Also, if you know how to answer, the Elements I do throw are orange, gummy, and the flight plates are somewhat sunken in so how would you compare the black one to the oranges?

discchucker
Jan 21 2008, 10:31 PM
Those orange one's you speak of are junk...you should just send them to me :D

The orange one's are a touch more low speed stable than the black one's. If I could put an FX on an Element, those would have it.

JHBlader86
Jan 21 2008, 10:57 PM
Those orange one's you speak of are junk...you should just send them to me :D

The orange one's are a touch more low speed stable than the black one's. If I could put an FX on an Element, those would have it.



You were the one who sent me these Elements lol!

discchucker
Jan 21 2008, 11:22 PM
I know...and now my stock pile has pretty much ran out. I have one on the way to fill the void. And possibly another. So... like I said...any time you want to get rid of them...get a hold of me.

Jan 22 2008, 12:35 AM
Yeah the orange ones are sweet. I have been thorwing them since me and david made them....... I am still sitting on like 4 or 5. And maybe a few more if i contacted a few people. If you have them dont give them up.

They are the straightest most true flying disc on the market. It has control of a seasoned putter and as fast as any other mid on the market.

Personally my favorite disc that has ever been made.

Keep up the great work.......


Chris Schmidt
Team GDS
TEAM Long Tee
GATEWAY WORKS FOR ME!!!

Furthur
Jan 22 2008, 12:49 AM
I just sent one to Joe Thompson because I'm a nice guy, but yea, the hunter orange E elements are pretty much the sweetest midrange Gateway has ever made. I have 1 in the bag, and 3 left in backup.

And Dave knows it (probably because I tell him so much to make some more like it). I'm just glad I'm not alone.

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 22 2008, 01:03 AM
Yeah the orange ones are sweet. I have been thorwing them since me and david made them....... I am still sitting on like 4 or 5. And maybe a few more if i contacted a few people. If you have them dont give them up.

They are the straightest most true flying disc on the market. It has control of a seasoned putter and as fast as any other mid on the market.

Personally my favorite disc that has ever been made.

Keep up the great work.......


Chris Schmidt
Team GDS
TEAM Long Tee
GATEWAY WORKS FOR ME!!!



The good doctor! Man, seems like yesterday we had our stash of like 40 of those! Getting low, but still flying strong. Give me a ring sometime doc.

discchucker
Jan 22 2008, 09:53 AM
I just sent one to Joe Thompson because I'm a nice guy



That's right...you are a nice guy for doing so. And the favor will not go unnoticed. Give me a shout whenever you need something dude.

S_Wells
Jan 22 2008, 12:47 PM
Dave, years ago you made the Demon, but originally it was prototyped under a different name and was STRAIGHT. It was called the Hatchet. I know the mold is gone/changed.
I'm wishing in one hand... Bring back the Hatchet.
Or people send me all of your beat to livin crap Demons.

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 22 2008, 02:45 PM
Dave, years ago you made the Demon, but originally it was prototyped under a different name and was STRAIGHT. It was called the Hatchet. I know the mold is gone/changed.
I'm wishing in one hand... Bring back the Hatchet.
Or people send me all of your beat to livin crap Demons.



Man, the hatchets I found in the shop right before we cleared out the Underground stuff were beefy as hell! Super hook...they sit really tall, huge concave and a big 'ol blunt nose. (Sharper than the current though, I think)

discchucker
Jan 22 2008, 03:06 PM
I want some more G6i's please. Then I would only need to carry one midrange mold. Bring back the G6i's?! If anybody has some, let me know.

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 22 2008, 04:03 PM
I want some more G6i's please. Then I would only need to carry one midrange mold. Bring back the G6i's?! If anybody has some, let me know.


There were two runs that I can remember...the first ones were mostly white and soft/tacky. These were SO money it was stupid. The next run was stiff/slick and mostly orange...too similar to the G5.

discchucker
Jan 22 2008, 07:29 PM
The G6i's that I have thrown were the white one's. And they were like a Demon-L. They broke in so nicely. It was funny, because I had one that was broken in so it would turn over. And when somebody would ask what I threw, I would say a Demon. There expression was priceless.

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 22 2008, 08:25 PM
The G6i's that I have thrown were the white one's. And they were like a Demon-L. They broke in so nicely. It was funny, because I had one that was broken in so it would turn over. And when somebody would ask what I threw, I would say a Demon. There expression was priceless.



Ever have any Blazes from this time period? I had a few that with the puffy, and by puffy I mean flat, wing that were **** near symetrical above and below the parting line. Truest flyer I ever had...then the Inferno came out and I thought, "Where have I seen this, but with a shorter wing?"

discchucker
Jan 22 2008, 11:30 PM
Are you talking about the darker orange s-blazes? They were a touch softer? If so, then yes I had some. They were the straightest blazes I have thrown. Those were some nice disc's too. I think there were some light grey one's too.

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 22 2008, 11:48 PM
Are you talking about the darker orange s-blazes? They were a touch softer? If so, then yes I had some. They were the straightest blazes I have thrown. Those were some nice disc's too. I think there were some light grey one's too.



Those are much newer, but pretty good too. I'm talking old circle stamped red ones.

nydle28011
Jan 23 2008, 12:54 AM
any one with any old proto wizards, nike spirits, candy red speed demon dt protos or candy/ see through plastic blazes that would like to trade let me know...

JHBlader86
Jan 23 2008, 02:17 AM
I just got an S Blaze the other day and the wing is flat, the plastic is real soft, and it flies somewhat understable (also orange) so is this the kind of Blaze you're referring to?

nydle28011
Jan 23 2008, 09:41 AM
Caker has some blazes made out of the same plastic as the older element x... it is almost transpartent (kind of cloudy) e plastic very similar to nike plastic or the hard "champion or z plastic"...just wondering if any one has any...could be because he works at the factory....

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 23 2008, 01:35 PM
I just got an S Blaze the other day and the wing is flat, the plastic is real soft, and it flies somewhat understable (also orange) so is this the kind of Blaze you're referring to?



Yeah, pretty much. A flat flying Blaze is SO good. I can't think of a competetors disc that matches it. Whipets are close and so were X2s, but nothing is a BLAZE!

unicedmeman
Jan 23 2008, 01:57 PM
Mr. Mac

What is the best way for me to chalky black wizards around 170g?

dgdave
Jan 23 2008, 02:09 PM
Mr. Mac

What is the best way for me to chalky black wizards around 170g?



Jeremy Rusco at Dynamic Discs!!!!!!

unicedmeman
Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM
i checked out his stuff even prior to posting
he has a sweet 5 for 27 buck dealio that I'd be interested in but i'm afraid the factory secconds/misprints might be warped.

That kinda defeats the purpose of firm putter having eh?

dgdave
Jan 23 2008, 08:39 PM
Just email him. He's super easy going and great to deal with. I've gotten 7 wizards from him in the last 2 weeks and all were A+ shape, no x-out material.

ANHYZER
Jan 28 2008, 02:37 AM
Why didn't I throw a Wizard sooner?

jmc2442
Jan 28 2008, 12:10 PM
^^ asks questions that he knows the answer to
&lt;&lt; came around to the best putter ever a long time ago
vv will have a wizard if they dont have 10 already

gokayaksteven
Jan 28 2008, 01:10 PM
why/how is it better than a big bead aviar or d challeger? [aside from the feel]

discchucker
Jan 28 2008, 01:38 PM
As a short range driver, I would be willing to bet that it will go farther than a BB Aviar or a Challenger.

ANHYZER
Jan 28 2008, 01:39 PM
why/how is it better than a big bead aviar or d challeger? [aside from the feel]



Has more glide, nicer feel, and better colors. Aside from that, it's just like a Challenger...

otimechamp
Jan 28 2008, 07:31 PM
why/how is it better than a big bead aviar or d challeger? [aside from the feel]



Has more glide, nicer feel, and better colors. Aside from that, it's just like a Challenger...



True, I used Camm Todd Challengers for putting up until march of last year. When I switched to Wizards. The first thing I noticed was the glide and speed. It was different enough that my timing was off for the whole year! Wizards are faster have more glide and hold a line better it will bring out flaws in your putting if you have them.

All that to say I love them!

BJones
Jan 28 2008, 08:41 PM
I hate to say it but I absolutely hate the new gigantic Wizard stamp. That may sound a bit frivolous but it kind of makes the disc look more like a toy. Are you going to ever run the classic sized stamp again?

nydle28011
Jan 28 2008, 09:26 PM
the new sss eraser wizards have a small wizard stamp on them, smaller than most I have seen.. dynamic discs have some I also have one on ebay right now for sale... blue sss eraser plastic black small wizard stamp..

gdstour
Jan 28 2008, 09:37 PM
I hate to say it but I absolutely hate the new gigantic Wizard stamp. That may sound a bit frivolous but it kind of makes the disc look more like a toy. Are you going to ever run the classic sized stamp again?



We started using the large stamp on the soft wizards and the old stamp on the mediums as well as 2 new stamps for the SS and SSS. we needed a better way to identify the different flexes.
We also have a really small wizard stamp that goes on "special runs".

If we hear from too many players about the size of the stamp being a problem, we could decide to stop using it.

Thanks for the feedback though!

Furthur
Jan 28 2008, 09:46 PM
Dave, the new runs of mediums have the old wizard stamp, the one with wizard in the cape? I'm actually fond of the older stamp myself.

gdstour
Jan 28 2008, 09:53 PM
why/how is it better than a big bead aviar or d challeger? [aside from the feel]



Well,,,,, feel is usually a really important factor in a putter and a big reason players have a hard time switching back to other putters once they have used a Wizard for any period of time.
The wizard has a thinner flight plate (.063 compared to .075) in the center 5" and a thicker area in the flight plate out by the rim at the last 1/2" (.095).
This reinforcement area and thinner flight plate adds to the gyroscopic effect of the disc. Bottom line is, the Wizard will spin longer, allowing the disc to stay on line longer as well.
The overall mass of the Wizard is about 10% less ( because of the deisgn) than either the aviar or challenger, making the plastic used in a 175 gram disc, more dense! less mass = less resistance through the air.
Of course the Aviar was the inspiration for the Wizard, but I'd like to think the improvements in engineering make it a superior flying disc, plus the fact that we have a WIDE range of flexibilities and surface feels.


I can go on an on, but heres a link to an article thats on our website comparing the 2.
http://www.gdstour.com/gateway_wizard_in_depth.php

Phantom
Jan 29 2008, 12:18 AM
Hey, Dave when do you plan on running more assasians? Still wanting to try a few out

dgdave
Jan 29 2008, 12:24 AM
What's in the works for this year besided the magic?

Smokey102977
Jan 29 2008, 12:53 AM
The Voodoo: Supposed to be a putter with a thumb trac type of deal on the flight plate.

JHBlader86
Jan 29 2008, 02:26 AM
Any new info. on the DT versions of the Sabre, Blaze and Hybrids??

gdstour
Jan 30 2008, 03:01 AM
Any new info. on the DT versions of the Sabre, Blaze and Hybrids??



We will probably have some prototypes by Bowling Green.
the surface technology on the Assassin is doing wonders for the glide, there a chance we will try this out first and if we do not get the results we are looking for, then we will go to dimples. The results being, longer, straighter and more glide.
I know the Sabre and Hybrid will be money fairway drivers with a straight wing and textured surface, but I'm thinking it may make the Blaze more of a mid-range.
Once we get this flat wing and use it on these discs and the demon, I will go back and make those flat over stable Demons players are requesting ( maybe sooner)!

discchucker
Jan 30 2008, 09:23 AM
Dave, if you had to guess, would you say that the flat wing you are working on, would make a demon fly similar to the old G6i demon? If so, I would be very happy. I walked into out PIAS the other day and found a new G6i on the shelf. Needless to say, I snagged that bad boy up. There was also a "KID" Sabre on the used rack. So I snagged that one up too.

dgdave
Jan 30 2008, 10:06 AM
What's a KID sabre?

Mark_Stephens
Jan 30 2008, 10:46 AM
I assumed that he was referring to one near 150 grams or something...

DNA_2
Jan 30 2008, 10:50 AM
Hey Dave did the sponsored players discs go out yet?

Rodney Gilmore
Jan 30 2008, 11:16 AM
Once we get this flat wing and use it on these discs and the demon, I will go back and make those flat over stable Demons players are requesting ( maybe sooner)!



Awesome! I like the overstable ones because they can be beat to less stable after time. You can't take a less stable one and beat it to make it more stable though. :( Not that I was too worried about it yet myself. I still have my Demon from the Ozark Open and the attempted tie dye proto you gave me sitting in the box brand new with a few other protos (also new). :D

vwkeepontruckin
Jan 30 2008, 12:36 PM
What's a KID sabre?



Justin Bunnell is known as "Kid". This was a Sabre he used to throw.

tiltedhalo
Jan 30 2008, 01:16 PM
David,
After throwing Assassins in a field, I was encouraged to see a shorter-wing disc being produced as a main driver -- so many new discs have huge wings and shallow grips that aren't as intuitive to hold and throw as some of the older plastic.

I like Spirits, but they sometimes shred my hands or pop-out early when I throw them forehand. I was comparing in a field the other night with some older Innova plastic -- Pegasus, Whippet, Banshee -- and was really missing the feel of some of the older Innova stuff. Discs that -- by todays standards -- are essentially mid-range discs, but that have some of the best feel in the hand of anything ever made. I was specifically finding the Pegasus the most predictable, accurate forehand disc I had with me for left-right shots of 150-300 feet. Of course, the Pegasus is now discontinued.

However, I was wondering what -- if any -- Gateway plans there were for more short-wing, easy-grip discs like the Assassin. A disc that felt like the Assassin in hand, but was overstable like a Spirit, Pegasus, etc... would be an amazing disc to have in the bag. (I know some people would say I'm describing the Blaze, but I haven't had success with them for these kinds of shots).

Thanks, as always, for making great plastic.

Smokey102977
Jan 30 2008, 03:01 PM
Try a proto Assassin if you can get your hands on one.

discchucker
Jan 30 2008, 03:31 PM
Mr. Boro would be correct. It is a sabre that Justin used to throw. It says kid right on the disc.

dgdave
Jan 31 2008, 06:47 PM
2 questions

1) Are the Magic and Voodoo beadless? I'm assuming the Magic is.

2) When were the clear Sabres ran?

discchucker
Jan 31 2008, 11:38 PM
The original set of clear sabres, if I remember right, I saw about three years ago. But I could be wrong.

sun_king
Feb 01 2008, 01:32 AM
Here are a few items that may interest some folks:

~ Gateway Sure-Grip Demon (Scout, Midnight Black) (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1749)
~ Gateway Sure-Grip Demon (Ultralight) (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1751)
~ Gateway Sure-Grip Hatchet (Proto Demon) (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1748)
~ Gateway Sure-Grip Speed Demon DT (150 Class) (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1752)
~ Gateway Evolution Spirit (Nike, Factory Seconds) (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1750)

Also, check out the Gateway Underground Ebay Store (http://stores.ebay.com/Gateway-Underground-DiscGolf-Outlet)

readysetstab
Feb 01 2008, 10:04 AM
<u>EBAY (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZputtsmcgee)</u>

check out some rare gateway discs!

Furthur
Feb 01 2008, 11:55 AM
The 1st clear sabre I got was in the spring of 2005. Dave sent it to Australia for me. When I moved to Iowa, I passed though the Gateway store, and picked up the last two light ones he had. This was in July of 2005.

vwkeepontruckin
Feb 01 2008, 12:06 PM
The 1st clear sabre I got was in the spring of 2005. Dave sent it to Australia for me. When I moved to Iowa, I passed though the Gateway store, and picked up the last two light ones he had. This was in July of 2005.



I remember when the milky white and clear Sabres and Blazes were ran a few years back (Spring 2005?) there were racks upon racks! I must have grabbed 20 Sabres one afternoon. Man...wish I was a better player then...would still have some! Still on my first milky yellow Blaze though!

discchucker
Feb 01 2008, 01:32 PM
I just picked up a milky yellow sabre the other day. Now...only if it weren't 5 degrees outside. I hate Iowa.

Furthur
Feb 01 2008, 01:43 PM
I just picked up a milky yellow sabre the other day. Now...only if it weren't 5 degrees outside. I hate Iowa.



Move to KC. 40 this weekend. And we've got a few courses to play.

But I miss the eastern Iowa woods :(.

Ackerman
Feb 01 2008, 05:29 PM
Dave,
I recently got an aquaish colored Medium Wizard (I heard these were the hardest) with the new Big Wizard Stamp. I have a problem with it though. The flghtplate is sunken. I have used it a few times and it seems to fly the same, but I hate the feel of it. Is there any way to fix this?
Thanks in advance!

gdstour
Feb 02 2008, 12:03 AM
Dave,
I recently got an aquaish colored Medium Wizard (I heard these were the hardest) with the new Big Wizard Stamp. I have a problem with it though. The flght plate is sunken. I have used it a few times and it seems to fly the same, but I hate the feel of it. Is there any way to fix this?
Thanks in advance!


This would be the 1st time Ive heard of a medium or firm wizard ever sinking in the middle.
Does it have an M on the back or did it just feel medium to you?
Is it easy to flex at room temperature?
We originally thought those aqua blue were medium but found out some wind up being soft after just a few rounds and some flexing.

I would say fill the disc with water and heat it for 30 seconds, take it out and place it over a blow or something to cool it off with a little dome in it.
you can run COLD water over it to tigten up the polymers and hopefully get the dome back.
Ive seen people do this with rocs before.
if that doesn't work, please send it back for review and I will send you a few medium to firm ones to throw!

JHBlader86
Feb 02 2008, 03:21 AM
Do you have anything planned mid-range wise?

Furthur
Feb 02 2008, 11:20 AM
Do you have anything planned mid-range wise?



Nope ;).

Well, I've heard rumors, but I think Dave and Co. are going to focus on introductory drivers for a while before looking at ways to change/reinvent their midrange lineup.

JHBlader86
Feb 04 2008, 12:17 AM
Question for you Demon experts. Demons are supposed to be wicked overstable, but I have this dark red/burgundy G6i Demon that flies dead straight. The disc is pretty domey and it feels somewhat chalky, and flips in a headwins so was this from a particular run of Demons that flew somewhat understable. I know it's not me because I've been trying to throw it on and off for months and the results are the same.

dgdave
Feb 04 2008, 01:18 AM
the G6i is like a Demon L. The G5i is the regular demon. (I believe)

Mark_Stephens
Feb 04 2008, 09:43 AM
I have a fair number of Gateway discs, but what is a good forhand disc? I LOVED the Diablo DT w/ the BG AM stamp for my forehand, but that is MIA...

readysetstab
Feb 04 2008, 10:15 AM
i believe the blurr is a good forehand disc. spirits for big overstable forehands.

dgdave
Feb 04 2008, 10:19 AM
Putthead is correct. The yellow blurrs are very good forehand discs. I'm only using spirits for sidearm at the moment

discchucker
Feb 04 2008, 11:03 AM
Question for you Demon experts. Demons are supposed to be wicked overstable, but I have this dark red/burgundy G6i Demon that flies dead straight. The disc is pretty domey and it feels somewhat chalky, and flips in a headwins so was this from a particular run of Demons that flew somewhat understable. I know it's not me because I've been trying to throw it on and off for months and the results are the same.


If you're finding you don't like that thing, give me a shout...I'll take it off your hands.

Mark_Stephens
Feb 04 2008, 11:53 AM
I have a white (now blue &amp; purple) Blurr at home. I will have to give that a try...

JHBlader86
Feb 04 2008, 11:55 AM
Question for you Demon experts. Demons are supposed to be wicked overstable, but I have this dark red/burgundy G6i Demon that flies dead straight. The disc is pretty domey and it feels somewhat chalky, and flips in a headwins so was this from a particular run of Demons that flew somewhat understable. I know it's not me because I've been trying to throw it on and off for months and the results are the same.


If you're finding you don't like that thing, give me a shout...I'll take it off your hands.



My pdga #, name and phone numbers are sharpied on there so would that be a problem? They're not on there big though.

ChrisSchmidt
Feb 04 2008, 01:00 PM
The yellow blurrrrrrr is my main go to disc. I carry 3 at all times

Chris Schmidt
Team GDS
Team long tee
GATEWAY WORKS FOR ME

Smokey102977
Feb 04 2008, 03:29 PM
The Blurr is great, but so is the more stable Illusion.

JHBlader86
Feb 04 2008, 04:06 PM
I'm looking to give the Blurr another shot, do you have some extra you would like to part with?

Ackerman
Feb 04 2008, 04:46 PM
Dave,
I seemed to have fixed my Wizard. I put my Wizard in my microwave with water in it for about 30 seconds and I worked at it until I was happy with it. It is not perfect, but it isn't all domed in anymore. Thanks for the offer to send it in!

One more question. Will the Magic have the same amount of gyroscopic effect that the Wizard has? And are there anymore putters in the works besides the Voodoo, and will they be based on gyroscopic effect? (Ok, that was 2.5 questions.)

gdstour
Feb 04 2008, 05:07 PM
Dave,
I seemed to have fixed my Wizard. I put my Wizard in my microwave with water in it for about 30 seconds and I worked at it until I was happy with it. It is not perfect, but it isn't all domed in anymore. Thanks for the offer to send it in!

One more question. Will the Magic have the same amount of gyroscopic effect that the Wizard has? And are there anymore putters in the works besides the Voodoo, and will they be based on gyroscopic effect? (Ok, that was 2.5 questions.)


The Magic is MORE gyroscopic as there is a little more mass on the nose.

see Gateway putter flex thread for info on upcoming putters.

Ackerman
Feb 04 2008, 05:24 PM
see Gateway putter flex thread for info on upcoming putters.


Ooh, didn't see that. Very informative!

Mark_Stephens
Feb 04 2008, 05:29 PM
So, forehand will be tried out with the Blurr that I have on hand. Now, what about rollers??

I am trying to streamline my bag and carry less discs. So, help me knock a few more discs out of my bag! :)

dgdave
Feb 04 2008, 06:09 PM
Beat that Blurr in or use a sabre

readysetstab
Feb 04 2008, 07:32 PM
i wonder if assassins make good rollers....

Furthur
Feb 04 2008, 07:47 PM
Do domey discs make good rollers? It seems like the flight plate would create more mass on the right side (RHBH roller), and it would tail off too quickly.

But I'm not a very good roller. The wing shape looks like it would lend itself to a roller...

mistuhmiles
Feb 04 2008, 07:56 PM
i carry a demon L as well as a demon X. is the L mold still made?

dgdave
Feb 04 2008, 08:09 PM
i wonder if assassins make good rollers....



every roller I've tried with the assassin flipped over hard and fast. it went a long ways, just 90� to the right of where I was aiming.

okcacehole
Feb 04 2008, 08:18 PM
Dave:

Back when Gateway was just getting running you made the Hemp disc..Do you have any idea how many of these were made? Anyone know how much these are fetching on E-bay?

I still have one one that I never threw..don't know much about them

Smokey102977
Feb 04 2008, 09:48 PM
The flex Blurr is my roller disc. It is way more understable than the Proto Pink Blurr that I have. I use a Wizard for short rollers to the pin when I don't have a shot.

discchucker
Feb 04 2008, 11:05 PM
i carry a demon L as well as a demon X. is the L mold still made?


Nope. The G6i's haven't been ran since probably around the 04-05 time frame as far as I know. You can still find them floating around though.

gdstour
Feb 04 2008, 11:55 PM
Dave:

Back when Gateway was just getting running you made the Hemp disc..Do you have any idea how many of these were made? Anyone know how much these are fetching on E-bay?

I still have one one that I never threw..don't know much about them



I think I made 150 for Chris himing that were stamped with high-fly text and we made additional runs of about 50 sabres and 50 demons, most were blank but a few could have gotten stamped.
so about 250 in total.

I still have a small amount of the hemp polymer and some regrind from the bad shots, enough to make about 50 discs.
We are experimenting with some corn based polymer and would love to find the hemp polymer available in the US.
The stuff Chris sent me was made in England.

any leads on hemp polymer would be well rewarded!

GOING GREEN!!! :cool:

J_VanOver
Feb 05 2008, 12:40 AM
www.Zelfoshop.com (http://www.Zelfoshop.com)

www.hempplastic.com (http://www.hempplastic.com)

www.greenpolymer.com (http://www.greenpolymer.com) (not hemp but recycled plastic that meets different industry standards)

gdstour
Feb 05 2008, 01:21 AM
oops
already posted this!

gdstour
Feb 05 2008, 01:26 AM
I took this quote from the hemp website.
I am guessing we made those discs.
Thats pretty cool!

"The Hemp Food Industries Association (HFIA) is proud to introduce the world� s first alternative to petro-chemical based plastics using Hemp : 'high fly' was produced by Hemp Plastics (UK) Ltd. (no longer available)

Created to show that plastics can be made from hemp"

dgdave
Feb 05 2008, 03:10 AM
O was looking at the discgolf.se page and saw a disc called the Apex. They had no info on it, Is this a new disc coming out or a failed past attempt on a mold?

JHBlader86
Feb 05 2008, 03:28 AM
I remember some thread a few weeks back of Dave saying it was a fairway driver with TeeBird qualities.

mf100forever
Feb 05 2008, 04:57 AM
Dave:

Back when Gateway was just getting running you made the Hemp disc..Do you have any idea how many of these were made? Anyone know how much these are fetching on E-bay?

I still have one one that I never threw..don't know much about them


Here are the one we know about. I bought a couple of them on ebay, between 10-25bucks. I saw one Puff Daddy go for more, not sure about it but it was more than 35...

http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...ine&amp;Type=-1 (http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokres_eng.aspx?Purpose=-1&amp;Manufacturer=-1&amp;DiscLine=Hemp-line&amp;Type=-1)
You can click in each to check them out.

Forgot about this one:
http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc_eng.aspx?DiscId=2262

dgdave
Feb 05 2008, 11:03 AM
I just traded away a puff daddy. I thought it was a demon.

Birdie
Feb 05 2008, 12:42 PM
Good Job!

http://a400.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/80/l_63460d2401d5fc30335a2538c2ed80a7.gif

TimMirabal
Feb 05 2008, 12:42 PM
Im looking to stock up on some gateway discs what is the best website to get them from?

sleepyEDB
Feb 05 2008, 01:09 PM
David Mac,

Will you be having a contest for people to design the Magic stamp like you did for the Warlock?

Also, will the magic be available in the full line of Gateway plastics/firmness choices?


Thanks,

sleepy

discchucker
Feb 05 2008, 01:21 PM
Im looking to stock up on some gateway discs what is the best website to get them from?


Other than calling the shop to order, I would check out gatewayunderground.com. They have a pretty big selection of older runs and new runs alike. Also, Jeremy Rusco runs an ebay store. He has a great selection of Gateway plastic and at a reasonable price.

gdstour
Feb 05 2008, 02:15 PM
O was looking at the discgolf.se page and saw a disc called the Apex. They had no info on it, Is this a new disc coming out or a failed past attempt on a mold?



we will eventually get to the Apex mold at some point.
The top will be similar to an Assassin but it will have a shorter wing. ( hopefully a bit under stable for most experienced players and VERY beginner friendly)!
When we started building the Assassin we had the Apex name in mind.
After test flying, the flight of the Assassin just seemed to require a more aggressive name than Apex.
Apex sounds like a disc that will go up and reach the apex of it's flight and come down straight.
I would say the Assassin does this, but feel a shorter wing disc will be able to be thrown a little higher and remain Stable.

JHBlader86
Feb 05 2008, 02:30 PM
Im looking to stock up on some gateway discs what is the best website to get them from?


Other than calling the shop to order, I would check out gatewayunderground.com. They have a pretty big selection of older runs and new runs alike. Also, Jeremy Rusco runs an ebay store. He has a great selection of Gateway plastic and at a reasonable price.



Poor Boy Discs just got in Gateway and you'll find em at really cheap prices.

Sorry, but I got to plug in my sponsor somewhere! :D

otimechamp
Feb 05 2008, 08:10 PM
O was looking at the discgolf.se page and saw a disc called the Apex. They had no info on it, Is this a new disc coming out or a failed past attempt on a mold?



we will eventually get to the Apex mold at some point.
The top will be similar to an Assassin but it will have a shorter wing. ( hopefully a bit under stable for most experienced players and VERY beginner friendly)!
When we started building the Assassin we had the Apex name in mind.
After test flying, the flight of the Assassin just seemed to require a more aggressive name than Apex.
Apex sounds like a disc that will go up and reach the apex of it's flight and come down straight.
I would say the Assassin does this, but feel a shorter wing disc will be able to be thrown a little higher and remain Stable.



I used to live near Apex there is a great course near there. ;)

Smokey102977
Feb 05 2008, 08:15 PM
I like the name Horizon. It is flat and goes forever.

reallybadputter
Feb 05 2008, 09:10 PM
I like the name Horizon. It is flat and goes forever.



Or its a slow, cheap disc that rusts easily and leaves an oil stain on your driveway...

Now would the Omni be the more or less stable version?

dgdave
Feb 05 2008, 09:27 PM
I saw that DD has the magic. Are you planning on running it in a firmer blend or E?

Smokey102977
Feb 05 2008, 09:35 PM
No, I believe that would be a Yugo.

reallybadputter
Feb 05 2008, 10:22 PM
Actually I figured it out...

The Horizon is beadless:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/w...918-396x249.jpg (http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1990/Plymouth/4875/1990.plymouth.horizon.8918-396x249.jpg)

The Omni GLH is the big bead... look at that lip...
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/11232-1987-Dodge-Omni.jpg

:D

Smokey102977
Feb 06 2008, 01:43 AM
Here is your putter!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/673000-673999/673896_9_full.jpg

sleepyEDB
Feb 06 2008, 10:19 AM
Im looking to stock up on some gateway discs what is the best website to get them from?



Gateway's Website (http://www.gdstour.com)

Gateway Underground (http://www.gatewayunderground.com)

David Mac's eBay store (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgateway_discs_marketing)

Gateway Underground's eBay store (http://stores.ebay.com/Gateway-Underground-DiscGolf-Outlet)

Dynamic Discs eBay store - Gateway page (http://stores.ebay.com/Dynamic-Discs_Gateway_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ3066680QQftid Z2QQtZkm)


sleepy

dgdave
Feb 06 2008, 11:18 AM
Any reviews of the magic yet? Any plans on making it in Medium plastic?

I've got a glo and black on the way. I'll post when I get them in.

S_Wells
Feb 06 2008, 12:22 PM
Not the Gateway site... It's up, but it's not working...$$$$

Smokey102977
Feb 06 2008, 03:08 PM
The Magic is supposed to be really understable, like a 86 Softie or Whitler. They have said it has great glide and tends to stay aloft a long time.

JHBlader86
Feb 06 2008, 03:47 PM
The 86 Softie is definitely one of the best putters I've thrown for lobbing. Just throwing it up and watching it fall straight into the basket was awesome. Seems like the Magic would be a great putter if you need to lob over a bush or something.

stpitner
Feb 07 2008, 08:10 PM
Im looking to stock up on some gateway discs what is the best website to get them from?



Gateway's Website (http://www.gdstour.com)

Gateway Underground (http://www.gatewayunderground.com)

David Mac's eBay store (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgateway_discs_marketing)

Gateway Underground's eBay store (http://stores.ebay.com/Gateway-Underground-DiscGolf-Outlet)

Dynamic Discs eBay store - Gateway page (http://stores.ebay.com/Dynamic-Discs_Gateway_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ3066680QQftid Z2QQtZkm)


sleepy



I would be amiss to not plug my own storefront...
Paper or Plastic Sports (http://search.stores.ebay.com/Paper-or-Plastic-Sports_gateway_W0QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfsnZPaperQ20or Q20PlasticQ20SportsQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ1483220 9QQsofpZ0)

I have a lot more than that, it's just not all listed.

Smokey102977
Feb 07 2008, 10:59 PM
Post deleted by Smokey102977

dgdave
Feb 08 2008, 12:28 AM
Are you planning on running more of the Proto style wizards? I love those things. Any way the could be a little stiffer as well?

Are there any plans on running the magic in a stiffer plastic?

sun_king
Feb 08 2008, 12:56 AM
Just listed some new stuff on the Gateway Underground eBay store including some ultra light discs (Demon, Sabre), a Hatchet and a G6i Demon...

Gateway Underground eBay Store (http://stores.ebay.com/Gateway-Underground-DiscGolf-Outlet)

Stay tuned...more to come

mikeP
Feb 08 2008, 10:24 AM
WOW. I didn't realize my post would cause such a ruckus. Trust me, Dave tries to make all discs as close to the max weights as possible. After working with him at the factory, I have come to appreciate what they do to get the discs to weight. At least he writes the correct weights on the discs instead of saying....oh its somewhere between 173-175 like some other company does. I have specific weights that I like to throw and for myself 3 grams can mean the difference.



...and I have Gateway discs that are 3 grams different than what is written on them. They all try to get it right and no one is perfect...BTW, didn't Quest mold the Assassins? Does David Mac even see those discs before they go on the shelves?

dgdave
Feb 09 2008, 10:49 PM
Got 2 magics in today, Thanks Rusco. Got 1 glo 1 proto black.

I got about 15 minutes in on some putts, jump putts, and some 100' or so approaches. Different than I had thought. Not a straight drop like I had hopped. Nothing like a whitler or 86. It feels beefy in the hand to me. Kinda shaped like an APX if I recall correctly. I'm not a fan of beadless putter due to comfort issues, but this one feels pretty good.

Not as glidey as I had thought it would be for puts and jump puts. I did like it for soft turning up shots and real straight ups. Still a bit more lss than I wanted. Hopefully with some seasoning it will lose that lss and keep about the same hss.

All in all, I like it, but its different than what I had anticipated. Its going in the bag for further testing.

Smokey102977
Feb 10 2008, 12:42 AM
Yeah, I believe they did. All I know is that I was at Dave's house and he said that they just came in. We went out to test throw them on our way to the shop and they were sweet.They do look more like the Quest injections on the back though.

readysetstab
Feb 12 2008, 09:14 AM
Dave, do you know anything about smaller diameter Element Xs? i have one that's just slightly smaller than my other element Xs, but still enough that you can tell just by holding it in your hand without even comparing them. it's kind of a pink semi transparent color. do they fly much different? was this just a mistake?

Smokey102977
Feb 12 2008, 11:02 PM
Is it the flat top or domed top Element X? I have a flat top pearl white Element X and a Orange Domed top Element X.

readysetstab
Feb 13 2008, 12:54 PM
it's kind of in between. i don't think the dome is responsible. this is an older one too. i think it's nike plastic, although it isn't marked.

discchucker
Feb 13 2008, 03:07 PM
Hey Dave...quick question for you. Any plans of running the Assassin in the "S" plastic?

Thanks,
JT

Ackerman
Feb 13 2008, 09:53 PM
Hello Dave,
I am curious how you make your plastics. I have an interest in this field and was wondering what materials and processes you use to make the final product.

Many Thanks!

gdstour
Feb 15 2008, 08:31 PM
Dave, do you know anything about smaller diameter Element Xs? i have one that's just slightly smaller than my other element Xs, but still enough that you can tell just by holding it in your hand without even comparing them. it's kind of a pink semi transparent color. do they fly much different? was this just a mistake?


usually the domier the smaller they are in diameter.

gdstour
Feb 15 2008, 08:33 PM
Hey Dave...quick question for you. Any plans of running the Assassin in the "S" plastic?

Thanks,
JT



I could see a limited run of them down the road.

gdstour
Feb 15 2008, 08:37 PM
Hello Dave,
I am curious how you make your plastics. I have an interest in this field and was wondering what materials and processes you use to make the final product.

Many Thanks!



We use injection grade TPU's and TPE's and do a lot of blending to get the right flex and feel!

we have a Tom sawyer program if you are ever in St Louis and want to work. :)

readysetstab
Feb 15 2008, 09:24 PM
it isn't all that domey... yet it's smaller than any El X i've seen. i guess it's a mystery.

Rodney Gilmore
Feb 16 2008, 01:53 AM
Lol at the "Tom Sawyer program" but I have seen it in action. I don't know if you remember Dave but when Brad, Ant, Todd, I and whoever else was with us that year (wow, has it really been 8 or so years) came out and crashed at your place after Ozark, you, Tim, and Robo offered to let us stamp some discs in your basement. We turned you down because we were so fragged after the 15 hour drive and the tourny we just wanted sleep before we drove the 15 or so hours back home.

Trust me guys, if you show up and want to find out anything about how discs are made from start to finish, he wil show you. But definitely remember the Tom Sawyer painting the fence part. He will put you to work. But you will learn in the process.

gdstour
Feb 16 2008, 02:43 AM
Lol at the "Tom Sawyer program" but I have seen it in action. I don't know if you remember Dave but when Brad, Ant, Todd, I and whoever else was with us that year (wow, has it really been 8 or so years) came out and crashed at your place after Ozark, you, Tim, and Robo offered to let us stamp some discs in your basement. We turned you down because we were so fragged after the 15 hour drive and the tourny we just wanted sleep before we drove the 15 or so hours back home.

Trust me guys, if you show up and want to find out anything about how discs are made from start to finish, he wil show you. But definitely remember the Tom Sawyer painting the fence part. He will put you to work. But you will learn in the process.


I miss Ozark! :( :(

we could have one last hurrah this spring!!!

would you guys come back???

discchucker
Feb 16 2008, 09:26 AM
Come on Dave...don't kid about such things. I feel like I should be partially quoting field of dreams here..."If you host it, they will come". Is the land going up for sale or something? Ozark has a fond place in my heart, it was my first tournament ever. 1800Collect is one of the greatest holes I have ever played. And I four'ed it with a wizard.

gdstour
Feb 17 2008, 05:45 PM
The land is for sale, but I am not doing much to help sell it.
I am hoping to have some sort of a tournament there this spring. I am not sure exactly what it will be, but I'll let people know when I know!

Rodney Gilmore
Feb 17 2008, 07:36 PM
I can't guarantee that we'd be there but we would think awful hard about it. I'd love to come back.

GDL
Feb 18 2008, 01:56 PM
I can pretty much guarantee you I'd be there---along with all the people I've made jealous that they never made it down back when they could've. Cound Des Moines in. Set the date.

I thought all the mountain course baskets were at Garverland? If baskets are needed, let me know, I'm sure I could get two down there. I'd probably even reconsider my trip to Emporia for this.... :eek:

gdstour
Feb 19 2008, 01:11 AM
I'll be working on an event down here, does anyone see a good open date? in late march or april?

GDL
Feb 19 2008, 12:01 PM
does anyone see a good open date? in late march or april?



How about either the weekend before or after the NT in BG? April 5th/6th, or 19th/20th?

Furthur
Feb 19 2008, 12:40 PM
I don't know if you'd like to get a draw from the KC folks, but our calender has an open spot on the 5th/6th weekend.

discchucker
Feb 19 2008, 12:44 PM
April 5th/6th
April 19th/20th
April 26th/27th
May 10th/11th

dgdave
Feb 19 2008, 10:47 PM
Finally got some good work with these today.

I'm on the fence still. Still more stable than I'm wanting for approaches that are right out of jump putt range. I have one glo that's getting seasoned from some tree hits. It still fades on approaches. On drives its getting some turn. It has a neat looking flight. It will fly straight with a hyzer angle and goes slighly left then turn up flat then turn right. It looks like a shot Barry Schulz throws on the 06 MSDGC. Its a shot downhill tunnel shot and the commentator says, " I wish I had a disc that can do that." Now I do!

I also have a black that is still flying like new.

Both still seem to want to fight back left on approaches. They also want to go left on jump putts. Not as much as a wizard. They don't glide as much as I had anticipated either.

I like my wizards more still, especially a beat to hell one I just got from JT. That one is magic
_________________

DNA_2
Feb 20 2008, 12:27 AM
Im loving the magic for straight approaches and the plastic on the glow is awesome. Its not stiff but kinda soft and supper grippy. I love the feel of the nose too. If you don't like your dgdave I will take them off your hands lol..

discchucker
Feb 20 2008, 09:00 AM
I like my wizards more still, especially a beat to hell one I just got from JT. That one is magic.


I told you that thing was great. I use that disc for shots from 100-150 that need to turn right or dead straight approaches under 100. But the more time I keep getting with the Magic, the more I am really liking it for those shots now. If you can, try a Magic in the lower 170's...ie 171-172. They are real nice. After my weekend round with it in the bag, it is definitely proclaimed the name "Black Magic". :D

nydle28011
Feb 20 2008, 10:51 AM
I agree. The magic is great. I am putting with warlocks but the magic is coming around. I also love them for approach and anyhzer drivees. Great disc to the gateway line up.

vwkeepontruckin
Feb 20 2008, 11:47 AM
I tested a few over the weekend, and I have to say that this cuts the breaking in time down to virtually nothing. Warlocks are great in the hand, but this thing flips up brand new! Not in the bag now, but when I loose my flippy Wizard, the Magic will probably see game time.

gdstour
Feb 20 2008, 03:20 PM
Dreddy,
Is that Roberto Clemente in your avatar?

dgdave
Feb 20 2008, 03:53 PM
did you make any of the new chalky proto wizards in the 165-169g range? The lightest I've found is 170g.

By the way, These wizards are great. Finally took the 10x aviars out of my bag. Thanks for saving me $40 a pop!

gdstour
Feb 21 2008, 02:59 PM
did you make any of the new chalky proto wizards in the 165-169g range? The lightest I've found is 170g.

By the way, These wizards are great.



I'm pretty sure we made some of the lighter weights in the chalky wizards.
Did you already check with our vendors to see if they had any left?

I know we have some chalky SS Magics in lighter weights.

We also made a small run (about 150)of MEDIUM/FIRM chalky Magics in shades of orange.

dgdave
Feb 21 2008, 03:14 PM
Couldn't find any at the few places I asked.

Where can you get the medium Miagics? Do I need to call your shop or did you send them to vendors?

curt
Feb 21 2008, 08:04 PM
I was out test throwing some discs the other day (element, assassin, blur, and illusion to be exact), and discovered a question I have about the durability of the S-plastic.

Specifically, I was throwing the S illusion, and found that it was much more overstable than what I was hoping for from it. It was a brand new disc, btw. I was wondering how much different the disc will fly after breaking-in and how quickly it will break in.

p.s. - The assassin and element were awesome and are both in my bag anxiously awaiting the opportunity to get some test rounds in.

dgdave
Feb 21 2008, 09:22 PM
I just got a wizard with a 2003 ice bowl stamp, but there are no ingravings on the back. It just has "WIZ 173" written Wiz in black ink and 173 in blue ink. Is this a proto? or mabey a retooling?

Furthur
Feb 21 2008, 10:06 PM
I think it's a tooling between the one with the engraving on either side of the bottom, and the one with the engraving in a small circle. I've got a blue medium, a black SS proto style, and a Glow E with the same lack of engraving.

dgdave
Feb 21 2008, 10:23 PM
Cool. I got it for.99 on ebay

vwkeepontruckin
Feb 22 2008, 10:46 AM
Dreddy,
Is that Roberto Clemente in your avatar?



Actually, its the late Dock Ellis...think HGH is an issue in baseball? Dock pitched a no hitter on LSD! No joke, look him up, he's the goofiest ever to play the game.

jmc2442
Feb 22 2008, 11:35 AM
Dock Ellis is hippie god around these parts...

kUrTp
Feb 22 2008, 11:44 AM
FYI...Roberto Clemente is the only non-football related person in the Great Hall at Heinz Field.

Smokey102977
Feb 23 2008, 01:07 AM
The S Illusion will beat in nicely. If you throw it enough you should be able to get it to hold a straight line to slight turnover with a good beat'n! LOL

stpitner
Feb 26 2008, 11:53 PM
I should have some of those Chalky Orange Wizards in soon. I don't know if I'll receive any in lighter weights or not. They should be branded with my Paper or Plastic Sports logo.

I also have some of the medium/firm Magics on order. It will be nice to have some of those in stock :)

sun_king
Mar 04 2008, 04:45 PM
We've had these in for a while, but have a new shipment in stock:

~Gateway Sure-Grip Magic (Medium) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1801)
~Gateway Sure-Grip Magic (Super Soft) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1753)
~Gateway Sure-Grip Magic (Glow Super Soft) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1802)

Also got some of the chalky red orange Wizards which came in 3 different flexibilities:

~Gateway Sure-Grip Wizard (Medium) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=27)
~Gateway Sure-Grip Wizard (Soft) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=28)
~Gateway Sure-Grip Wizard (Super Soft) (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=615)

Monthly special is a free copy of Flying Disc Magazine (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1786) with all orders of $59 or more and free shipping on all orders of $49 or more...