Its easier to have a defined body approving specific discs than it is to set "illegal" properties and then let TD's decide if a disc is legal or not on the course.
By the way, the PGA does inspect, approve and ban golf
balls and clubs.

This may be true but you won't find a ball or club that says PGA approved.



I dont know about clubs, but I know they put it on the packaging of some golf balls. Either way, the USGA publishes a list of approved and banned equipment. They dont just make rules and expect people to measure their equipment. That doesnt make sense.

Hey Dave,

I have a question about the GDS Tours. My college is hosting a tourney next month, and I am wondering how much it is for this to be a GDS sponsored tournament. The White level seems to be the best for this kind of tournament. So, how much would it cost for you to come down to Bowling Green and host?


I would be more than happy to come to the BC and run a gdstour event, but they are so easy and all inclusive its pretty easy for just about any body to run one.
Send an email to david@gdstour.com and I will give you all the gdstour information you need.
It only takes about 1 week or 2 notice to put together players packs prizes and trophies for a gdstour.

"If a disc is within specifications, why does it have to be approved by the PDGA? Its not like the companies wait for approval before making the mold and running a good number of discs. The specifications are spelled out pretty clearly, so obviously a disc company knows that the disc will be approved, its just a matter of the formality of getting it approved. This seems to me an unneccesary hoop that we make the manufacturer jump through. I could see the need for approval if the design was a large jump, like the aerobie epic, but not for something like the Warlock, a modified version of an existing disc. Innova changes its molds completely all the time without getting any new approval for the new molds. Do we really expect Gateway to make one mold for testing, and then create a whole new mold that says "PDGA APPROVED" once the PDGA has gone through the approval process?

In my opinion the manufacturer should be able to simply make discs for competition and leave it up to the PDGA to enforce standards. Disc companies will comply with the rules because if they don't then they would be at a serious loss financially if the PDGA found it to not comply with the clear standards. "


Very nice post above and one most manufactures would unanimously agree on.

As far as I know the PGA does not test players clubs or any equipment, approving it for play.
Its up to the players to make sure they are using equipment that meets all PGA rules.
If a product is questioned by another player it may be tested and only the player using the equipment can be penalized.
I am betting less than .05 % of ball golf equipment is ever even used in an event and maybe only 5% of all disc produced are used in pdga events.
Of course the Warlock passes all pdga tech standards and in fact in seems like we could get by saying it is a beadless Wizard or Wizard L and not have to pay the fee if we wanted to.
The way it works is that the PDGA wants to charge you $200 (not $100) for approving every new Name that a discs will be marketed under. If you retool a disc but do not change the name I believe they will retest it for free!
I went to Chicago to pick up some of the new runs of Inferno and Raging Inferno Dts and some NEW prototypes and I'm hoping Justin Overnighted the Warlocks to Jeff Homburg a few days ago for approval, so it's not an issue for much longer..


My question would be at what point is a disc a new name?
Was tee-bird L a new name for the tee bird since its a new wing ( and new disc) and basically the same thing we did with the Warlock and Wizard?

What about calling one disc five different plastic types? Each plastic type does change the way the disc flies, does that constitute a new testing and another $200 fee and should it be paid for?
This not a rip on any other manufacturer as we have 2-3 plastic types for each model and they do fly different in each one I am personally not clear on the rule and what precedent has been set in the past.


BTW,,,,
The Beadless wizards without the engraving are proto type Radius from 1080 and are made from different materials than the Warlocks. They mold up a bit differently, as the nose shrinks and is more rounded and the wing is also a little shorter because of the polymer shrink rate.
The 1080's have a very nice expensive rubbery feel and are made with a more shiney rubbery material as opposed to the matted look of the Wizard and warlock.
Both discs are great new putters but have a distinctively different feel and subtle variations in Flight!

After just reading the tech standards pdf, it's a little odd. Changing the name of the Element-X will require a retesting even if nothing about the mold or plastic changes at all.
I didn't see it mentioned, but it would make more sense if the PDGA ensured the unique name of a product for a company by not approving any equipment from a rival company that bears the same name. $200 for the protection of trademarks/branding is a great value.

The Beadless wizards without the engraving are proto type Radius from 1080 and are made from different materials than the Warlocks. They mold up a bit differently, as the nose shrinks and is more rounded and the wing is also a little shorter because of the polymer shrink rate.
The 1080's have a very nice expensive rubbery feel and are made with a more shiney rubbery material as opposed to the matted look of the Wizard and warlock.
Both discs are great new putters but have a distinctively different feel and subtle variations in Flight!



Dave, just to clarify...
The prototype "warlock" with the dancing bears stamps is actually a prototype 1080 radius, NOT a true warlock?
Or, are they actually warlocks?
:confused:

Either way, its a great disc! Nicely done!

Had a fun weekend, sucks to come home to this snow though. Rounds were fun I just couldnt catch a break all weekend it seemed. I had to do too much scrambling on sunday also. 2nd round was great until I missed a mando bad and had to play back to it for a 6

I will try to make it down for the open. Wish I had more time down there though would have liked to talk soem more with people.

Lata!

2nd round was great until I missed a mando bad and had to play back to it for a 6



Que?

It's not like it sounds I guess... I wasn't fully aware of a mando I probably should have realized and I hit the tree that the mando was on and just kicked a little bit to the right of it but not past the mando... so i still did not technically"miss it yet" and was still behind the mando line so i had to play the shot to the other side of the mando and so on by that point I was just playing stupid for 1 hole :)

But I enjoyed the rounds and the company and hopefully after hibernating for a few more weeks some of this snow might go away and i can play some more!

It's not like it sounds I guess... I wasn't fully aware of a mando I probably should have realized and I hit the tree that the mando was on and just kicked a little bit to the right of it but not past the mando... so i still did not technically"miss it yet" and was still behind the mando line so i had to play the shot to the other side of the mando and so on by that point I was just playing stupid for 1 hole :)

But I enjoyed the rounds and the company and hopefully after hibernating for a few more weeks some of this snow might go away and i can play some more!



Let me quess Endicott hole #8? :D

Actually it's hole 9 but yeah :)

I was at +1 which was still crazy better than my horrible first round until that 6 and it only got me for 1 more hole before I was able to regroup but the damage was done. I had fun but wish I didn't have such a bad putting weekend.

Actually it's hole 9 but yeah :)

I was at +1 which was still crazy better than my horrible first round until that 6 and it only got me for 1 more hole before I was able to regroup but the damage was done. I had fun but wish I didn't have such a bad putting weekend.



Oh yeah when I was counting holes in my head I skipped hole #6.

Had an insane par save on hole #7 there though, horrible tee shot to the opening of #8 Fairway, then I threw a anyhyzer bomb over the tree line to get at the pin (not the long placement) and put it within 3 ft... unreal :)

Ah well looks like I have to work on my putting this year and should still be an alright year.

Mark, glad you made it down, sorry I didnt have much time to talk it was a busy weekend.
On Saturday night after the rounds at JB I went and played in a 29 person hold-em tourney for $110 a man, wound up splitting in the end with the 2 guys I came with and another young guy. I got the bigger portion, $900 and they each got $550 CHA CHING and happy birthday to me. needless to say we wound up going big and not staying home after that and ended up on the eastside for the sights after 3:00 am!! :cool::confused: :cool:

Matt,
I saw you tried to call try again! tomorrow

BTW, we started running the blurrs today and will test fly them in the morning and will run Rages tomorrow!

Sweet! I love the blurr, it is a very dependable driver.
It is becoming my go to disc.

TK

Are the ones yall running the stiffer ones like the protos or softer ones?

Hi Dave,
Just making sure you got my email, I realized I didn't have your email address but used the one I saw on the forum...hopefully I got it right. Man, wish I had won $900!

I took down 16 guys in a hold-em game last night for a quick $230.
We decided to allow unlimited re-buys for the 1st 30 hands.
It was insane until we got past the re-buy stage.
I'm thinking about going on the hold-em tour and selling my disc golf company for the bankroll.
:confused: :confused: :eek: :D







SIKE! :D

I did lay down some monsters last night at the right time but also sucked out 3 times on the river,,, so I would say I got pretty lucky.
Every disc golf event should have a mandatory hold-em event as well, maybe I would go back out on tour!!

Every disc golf event should have a mandatory hold-em event as well, maybe I would go back out on tour!!



You should come out to the MSDGC this year, Dave. Just a little something extra thrown in the night before at one of the best tournies there is.

Dave, I need to know if the Warlocks are approved yet, I'm planning on using them this weekend.

Thanks :D

Dave, I need to know if the Warlocks are approved yet, I'm planning on using them this weekend.

Thanks :D



I don't know but the radius is and those are the same as the Proto Warlocks(supposedly) so if it is a Proto without lettering then you can use it.

Are the rages not approved? I have a tourney next weekend and I'm starting to really like this disc. Don;t wanna get penalized

Check your PMs Dave since you forgot how to use your telephone.

The Beadless wizards without the engraving are proto type Radius from 1080 and are made from different materials than the Warlocks. They mold up a bit differently, as the nose shrinks and is more rounded and the wing is also a little shorter because of the polymer shrink rate.
The 1080's have a very nice expensive rubbery feel and are made with a more shiney rubbery material as opposed to the matted look of the Wizard and warlock.
Both discs are great new putters but have a distinctively different feel and subtle variations in Flight!



Dave, just to clarify...
The prototype "warlock" with the dancing bears stamps is actually a prototype 1080 radius, NOT a true warlock?
Or, are they actually warlocks?
:confused:

Either way, its a great disc! Nicely done!


I am curious about this too. I don't believe it was answered yet

from what dave mac and matt have said, i believe that the dancing bears stamped glow proto discs are in fact radiuses...radii.

it seems that the radius and warlock are same mold, different plastic. pretty much the same disc.

If they are the same mold then you should still be able to use the warlock in my opinion...

Don't want to give a false impression.
I am inferring, based on what has been said here, about the protos. The facts have not been stated by the source.

2 things:
1. the warlock is the same mold as a wizard, right? If so, the Radii have a totally different feel than the wiz. I have yet to see a warlock. The wiz is kind of bullet shaped and the radius has a blunt nose and the bottom part of the nose is flat. I like them I got in about 10 putts with the radius today from about 30. nothing intensive. I really like the plastics.

2. I just got a couple of speed demons from disc golf center(great expirience by the way. free shipping and i got them in 3 days) The wierd thing about these is that there is no lettering on the bottom of the disc. only the weight of the disc is on there. no pdga approved, no web address, nothin. Any idea why. Ive never had an e sd before. could this possibly when they switched the name from "The Edge" when it was a proto and the were trying a new stamp? The are x outs because of stamp problems. any ideas?

2 things:
1. the warlock is the same mold as a wizard, right? If so, the Radii have a totally different feel than the wiz. I have yet to see a warlock. The wiz is kind of bullet shaped and the radius has a blunt nose and the bottom part of the nose is flat. I like them I got in about 10 putts with the radius today from about 30. nothing intensive. I really like the plastics.

2. I just got a couple of speed demons from disc golf center(great expirience by the way. free shipping and i got them in 3 days) The wierd thing about these is that there is no lettering on the bottom of the disc. only the weight of the disc is on there. no pdga approved, no web address, nothin. Any idea why. Ive never had an e sd before. could this possibly when they switched the name from "The Edge" when it was a proto and the were trying a new stamp? The are x outs because of stamp problems. any ideas?



The Warlock is a DIFFERENT mold than the Wizard.

2 things:
1. the warlock is the same mold as a wizard, right? If so, the Radii have a totally different feel than the wiz. I have yet to see a warlock. The wiz is kind of bullet shaped and the radius has a blunt nose and the bottom part of the nose is flat. I like them I got in about 10 putts with the radius today from about 30. nothing intensive. I really like the plastics.

2. I just got a couple of speed demons from disc golf center(great expirience by the way. free shipping and i got them in 3 days) The wierd thing about these is that there is no lettering on the bottom of the disc. only the weight of the disc is on there. no pdga approved, no web address, nothin. Any idea why. Ive never had an e sd before. could this possibly when they switched the name from "The Edge" when it was a proto and the were trying a new stamp? The are x outs because of stamp problems. any ideas?



The Warlock is a DIFFERENT mold than the Wizard.


I for got a part. a warlock is the same mold as a wiz except without a bead. is this correct?

The Warlock has a blunter nose as well the NON_ BEAD on the bottom and because of these changes in geometry it also shrinks differently and flies different.
I threw the Warlocks in the wind yesterday and they really seem to not get effected very much even straight into a head wind.
As stated though, because of the lack of bead they will eventually break into faster and more the any Wizard will!
We sent the Warlocks and Rages to Homburg and they should get approved early next week.
Sorry for the delay in getting the Warlock to the Pdga, but yes technically it could pass under the Radius.
The plastic used for the 2 are different though, both are sweet in all flexes.
The Driver radius are pretty much the sames as old school CE discs, tough durable and hella Grippy!

Does the Radius Driver have a bead? Or is it just called a "driver" because it's stiffer? Does it really qualify as a putter/driver, and how can it be very accurate without having the stability a bead (Wizard, Aviar Driver), has?

Like I said I was quite surprised on well the bead-less version flew in the windy conditions, even directly into a headwind

If anyone is looking for older models of Gateway Discs please visit the new website and have a look around.

www.gatewayunderground.com (http://www.gatewayunderground.com)

Sweet Dave. I went to the site earlier today and it wasn't up yet. Nice work.

GatewayUnderground is awesome! love this sight and also the new gateway sive. great job. now just star pumping out some more nike spirits!!!!

What new Gateway site?


Dave I posted GatewayUndergournd on DGR

The new gateway site.

http://www.userdesigngroup.com/gateway/index.asp

Would a speed demon with no lettering on the bottom be an edge proto? I got a couple of speed demon x outs with no lettering. they are x outs because of stamp problems. I figured they were messing around with the stamp when they were changing the name

I didn't even know that was posted yet but I do like it.

Wow Dave, the flight charts you have for each disc are real sweet. That is something I have not seen before. I like the height chart to go along with the distance chart, very cool.
BTW I used to putt with KC Aviars. I switched to the wizard and haven't looked back. THe wizard is $$$$.

Looks like you'll have to change your signature! :D

But isnt this still in the works though?

I thought that was treir new site. I am probably wrong since i don't know anyone outside Tulsa, Ok and Springfield, Mo. I was just assuming and you know what that does.

I was just looking at the new site and looked at the blurrs. It says they are available in S plastic. does anyone know about this? I haven't heard anything about that

Blurrs and Rages were ran this past week. They might have done some in S I'm not sure though.

Dave,

I picked up a Wizard at the Memorial and finally played a round and did some putting yesterday. It's a "Soft" Wizard but it's not that soft. I really like the plastic though and how well it comes out of my hand. I hit some nice putts while practicing and it really just felt right for yesterday afternoon at the very least. It flies nicely too with a very stable flight until it really slows down. I threw a few drives and upshots and it holds its line very well, even when thrown hard. So...nice disc. I don't know if it will supplant what I have but I will definetely play around with it for a bit.

-MADMAX

Wow Dave, the flight charts you have for each disc are real sweet. That is something I have not seen before. I like the height chart to go along with the distance chart, very cool.
BTW I used to putt with KC Aviars. I switched to the wizard and haven't looked back. THe wizard is $$$$.


Me too actually

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Are the gateway warlock and the 1080 radius from the same mold?



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I don't know if it will supplant what I have but I will definetely play around with it for a bit.

-MADMAX



Don't worry. Keep using it and it will. :cool:

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Are the gateway warlock and the 1080 radius from the same mold?



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yes, this has been answered before. same mold, different plastic.

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Dave,

Are the gateway warlock and the 1080 radius from the same mold?



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yes, this has been answered before. same mold, different plastic.



Thanks Dave. :D
I was trying to get it from the source.
It has been rumored and alluded to, but there has been no simple "yes" or "no" from the Man DMac himself.

The warlock/radius is a great mold!

Yes the discs are molded from the same mold, but a different polymer blend and profile of injection( speed, pressure temperature and hold time).
The combination of these 2 causes different shrinkages and therefore a different feel and flight characteristics.
Both are great discs but they do feel and fly different then each other, especially in the S Plastic.

I have not test thrown many drives with the Radius Driver, only putts, but I know they are really sweet feeling in the hand.
www.1080discs.com (http://www.1080discs.com)

I was just looking at the new site and looked at the blurrs. It says they are available in S plastic. does anyone know about this? I haven't heard anything about that


There were a few Glow "S" ran last time but only about 30, mostly 166-168, not sure who bought them.
We are only running E right now and have the Blurrs and Rages ready for Auto Ship next week.
Today we ran E spirits and they are looking exactly like the green run of nike, just a bit softer on the rim, but same subtle dome.
Tomorrow we will run Speed demon DT's and next week we will run elements and element-x's in this sweet blend of E!

Thanks daveJ sounds awesome. when will those rages and spirits be ready for the public to buy and can I just give you guys a call to get them?

Thanks Dave!

The warlock rocks!

Can't wait to see these spirits then I'm in need of some spirits bad.

Ran some orange E Spirits on friday and will run Speed Demon-Dt's on monday.
After that the rest of the E we have will be for Elements and ELX's.
Probably try and make the runs similar to the bright Orange in flexibility and dome, with a few hundred of each a little firmer!

Sounds like its time to get some spirits.

I have found compared to my rage that the rage may be straighter but the Spirit seems to have more glide.

Also you should make a putter mold with the stability of the Quest Crossfire but with better glide :) I am really liking that disc for anything right turn but seems to die off for me around 275 or so ... still working with that one. Pretty much at this point the only quest in my bag... still messing with some of their other molds

Which reminds me time to get some more blurrs too

Mark,
which of the crossfires are you throwing, the blueish ones in S or the black in E?

Dave I'm throwing the blue crossfire in the nike plastic. I use it for straight tunnel shots with not much power.

The blueish and pinkish ones in the S plastic I believe :)

The E ones are not for me, I did like the 10m crossfire I thought that was really not that bad of a putter either.

Probably try and make the runs similar to the bright Orange in flexibility and dome, with a few hundred of each a little firmer!



Are you referring to the bright orange elements that have the slight dome, and are also slightly faster and more stable? If so, thank you, because I'm tired of trying to track them down :). I really like this particular style of elements, and most people that have thrown one of mine do too, so I hope you continue to run them in the future!

I recently purchased a couple Infernos and have a question. The stamp on the front says "Inferno" but when I flip it over, molded into the plastic it says "Raging Inferno", is this an Inferno or a raging inferno? I love the way the disc flys so I am not to worried about it either way. But I want to buy more of them for practice and want to make sure I purchase the same thing.

Thanks in advance

Richard

I recently purchased a couple Infernos and have a question. The stamp on the front says "Inferno" but when I flip it over, molded into the plastic it says "Raging Inferno", is this an Inferno or a raging inferno? I love the way the disc flys so I am not to worried about it either way. But I want to buy more of them for practice and want to make sure I purchase the same thing.

Thanks in advance

Richard



Does the rim feel deep? If so it is an Inferno and if it is shallow then it is a RI.

Go with what it says on the bottom. We noticed the other day there were a few Raging Inferno's stamped as Infernos. I thought we had pulled them all, but apparently not. With Quest discs, the actual name is on the bottom of the disc

Thanks for the info! Now I need to get ahold of an Inferno or two. I will make sure I check the bottom before I throw them!

Richard

David,

I was talking with Larry Bledsoe today about the players pack for BG Ams. and he mentioned that Gateway was going to hand out a new disc never released called The Diablo. So, can you give us any details on this?

The disc for the player package in bowling green will be called the Diablo-DT!
We are trying to get a slightly under-stable long range driver similar to a sidewinder. The 1st prototypes are getting ready to be test flown today or tomorrow.
It will be a shallower rimmed Disc like the RIDT with a slightly different dimple pattern. The pattern will have Dimples closer together so there will be more of them.
More dimples means less flat areas on the wing, which = more lift, less resistance and a faster,longer flight.

I will post initial test results by starting a new thread after testing.
It may take a prototype or 2 to get it where we want, buts thats the scoop for now!!

BTW,
Always go by whats engraved on the bottom of the discs, but like Matt said, the regular Infernos are noticeably deeper on the rim.
We have also stamped some RIDT and RI's with the Inferno stamp on accident!

Is the Diablo-DT going to be more understable than the E inferno?

Another question - is it still possible to get E-Demons anywhere?

Marshall Street (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=demon%5Fe)

Awesome, sounds good. I'm always looking for a glidier understable disc. Thanks!

PM me if you are interested in E-Demons

I have a few pink and a few Red all in the 170's

Sounds like a useful disc dave. I definately have grown to like the use of the dimples since they do seem to be affective. Great innovation in my opinion, questionable at first when they were like stacked honeycombs but with how they are now definately better :)

Any thought of maybe making a sabre mold but flatten the wing on the sabre? I think that would yield a great disc...

Especially with how stable the latest sabre runs have been

Cool Dave, that is exactly the kind of disc i am looking for to replave the RR i would love to test fly one if possable.

TK

I am getting the diablo Dt brought out to my house by Chris Boro, he has been test flying them and seems to think they have an extremely long glide and penetration left to right without actually flipping too much.
I am heading out to a lighted field to test fly in about 30 minutes.
They are only 163-167, which is pretty good weight for ams and for going big left to right for right handers!

Ill be reporting back here and soon will be BLOGGING gateways daily news on the new website.
News like production numbers new course scouting and new retail outlets
To all gateway sponsored players please send over your player profiles for the news site ASAP./

Also if you know of an up and coming advanced player that plans on staying advanced all year have him contact us with your recommendations!

Thumbs up on the warlock/radius mold!

Hi Dave,

Have the Warlocks been run in the Medium stiffness in S plastic? I saw some for sale on eBay that said they were Mediums, but I thought they had only been run in Soft and SuperSoft for the S plastic.

Thanks,


sleepy

There were about 500 ran counting the glow with dancing bears.
Dynamic discs
Marshall street
Sunking!

Thanks for the speedy reply, Dave! :cool:

I'll try and get my hands on some.


Also, will the mis-stamped Wizard deal (5 for $30) be added to gatewayunderground.com, or is it best to call the shop?



sleepy

To all gateway sponsored players please send over your player profiles for the news site ASAP./




What do I need to send to you? I filled something out about a year ago but thats probably long gone. If you have a form or something, my email is kevin.rarick702@wku.edu

btw- I've been meaning to contact you and let you know whats up. I'll talk to you in Bowling Green hopefully.

Thanks,
Kevin

I was on the site last night and the misprint packages have been added and it looks like good deals. Dave, Will gateway underground be getting misprint Warlocks?

Thanks for the speedy reply, Dave! :cool:

I'll try and get my hands on some.


Also, will the mis-stamped Wizard deal (5 for $30) be added to gatewayunderground.com, or is it best to call the shop?



sleepy



I have talked to the king and he says he has the specials in que waiting for the upload.


Kevin,
check you e mail.

Does Gateway sell Gateway Logo polo shirts? That would be awesome.

OK, I went to the underground and ordered what I thought were going to be the old supersoft plastic (wizards), this is not what I was looking for.This plastic is stiff! So I was told that the ones I want are from the sanapreme 101 plastic.Are there any of these around anymore?

Hey Dave,

Just wanted to drop you a line and tell you the Wizard in your medium and soft "S" plastic is the best putter I have ever thrown.

Truly superior.

Your "S" plastic is great. It is by far the best "base" plastic on the market. It would be cool to see some of your new drivers molded in this plastic.

Does anyone know where I can find a couple SUPER SOFT Warlocks? (max weight or close) thanks

Try Marshall Streets

Dave,

I'm still looking for a headwind/crosswind driver and I'm very interested in the Spirit and Speed Demon. Which do you recommend for an amateur like me who only gets about 300-350 ft in distance?

I would recommend an illusion, rage, blurr, or blaze. maybe even a hybrid. Spirits and speed demons are serious discs that you really need to get some mustard on. I think these don't require as much to get them going and to get the full potential out of them. a spirit or sd will just hyzer no matter what, even in a huge head wind.

Oh wait. I bet you ment Dave Mac and not me when you said dave. my bad.

I would recommend the blurr for crosswinds. The spirit is pretty good for any headwinds.

The Blurr or the Illusion are not bad choices for cross or head winds, but the Speed Demon is a great disc if you get it and break it in a little bit, oh yea then there is the Rage!

TK

I've been looking at the stats on the Rage at SunKing and it does seem a bit easier to throw. Just a tad bit less fade, but seems it can still be thrown into 30 mph headwinds. All these decisions and so much money to spend!

The Blurr and Rage are 2 new discs made using a different top than their sisters the Illusion and Spirit, respectively.
The new top has 12 cubic CM less mass right on the rim and angles down to the nose over a 1-1/4" span instead of the last 5/16ths of the Illusion and spirit. The new top come down tighter to the parting line which also makes it sharper and faster.

The Blurr is still a little more gyroscopic than the Spirit but its speed is noticeably faster because of the flat non concaved wing, which allows it to climb up early in the flight.

Those who have thrown a spirit long enough to get one broken in know how great the disc is into head winds, especially for those with a lot of velocity and rotation.
If you like the feel of the Spirit but couldn't get it to stay straight long enough, The Rage should work better as it requires less rotation to achieve a stable flight.
It is still pretty beefy out of the box, but is easier to turn over out of the hand because of the reduced Gyroscopic effect.
Don't get me wrong its still probably more Gyroscopic than any other disc from another company but certainly less than the Spirit.
12 Cubic Cm equates to about 12 grams less right on the rim, if they both weigh 175 grams.

Well I guess if nobody knows me, my posts won't get answered! Quick to sell product, forget about inside info! :mad:

Well I guess if nobody knows me, my posts won't get answered! Quick to sell product, forget about inside info! :mad:


Email Dave or the Gateway Shop directly if you're looking for a quicker response. It's easy for posts to get overlooked on a message board...as you've just discovered. :D


sleepy

OK, I went to the underground and ordered what I thought were going to be the old supersoft plastic (wizards), this is not what I was looking for.This plastic is stiff! So I was told that the ones I want are from the sanapreme 101 plastic.Are there any of these around anymore?




There probably aren't any at the shop but Dave may make some in the future.

So, the Rage would work better for me?

Mandeldog?
Not sure what your talking about with the product name sandepren and number 101, but we have had about 50 different blends of Super-soft from 3 different tooling's of the wizard.

If you can send me a picture or complete description including hot stamp, color and engraving on the back of the disc your talking about to david@gdstour.com , I may be able to help you out.

If yo have a putter that is not flexible enough for you break it in by flexing it in your hands a bunch back and forth and it will become more flexible pretty quick.
Is there something about the putter you received that is not working, do you not like the surface or the flexibility?

So, the Rage would work better for me?


If you want to throw something into a headwind any of our drivers should work if you learn how much turn and lift each has!

Are you going to make any e demons in a softer plastic?

Also, how can i get my hands on some of the new e spirits? Can i just drop you an email or pm?

So, the Rage would work better for me?


If you want to throw something into a headwind any of our drivers should work if you learn how much turn and lift each has!



I have been messing around with the Raging Inferno DT, and if I give it the right amount of hyzer compared to the strength of the headwind, it comes back resonably well for some good distance!

Don

How long does shipping take if I call the GDS office, and place an order? If I do my payment will be through check or money order, whichever the company prefers.

What are you trying to order?
We could get it out on monday or the day after we receive payment.
I may be in Bowling green on friday and for sure on Saturday at the fly mart.

I may be in Bowling green on friday and for sure on Saturday at the fly mart.


:eek:

Sweet...I get to meet the man behind the curtain...the Wizard himself! :D


sleepy

I was wanting to order a Rage, but if you'll be in BG this weekend it'll be fine.

OK...sooo the Raging Inferno....It says that it is GREAT for a head wind. I recently got one in the mail and it so happened to be a VERY windy day...I drove both a flat and anni drive and the sucker turned over with in 30 feet....what gives? I threw it later in the round in a stiff tail wind and crushed it....Has anyone else experencied this...I'm starting to think that I got a DUD disc.

Honestly I have thrown two molds of the Raging Inferno, the wings are different between the two. There are ones with a flat wing and they are flippy out of the box and there are ones that have a different wing that do handle wind very well.

The RI-DT's also are decent wind discs if you don't over power them.

I am sure maybe Dave might be able to give some more information.

I'm not sure which run I got...but it is a pretty domey version!! I should say VERY domey...kind of like an old Apache......I actually found one in a river today which was not as domey, so I'm thinking I might have a run which is not so bueno for headwinds.

In my opinion the Raging inferno without the concave wing ( most likely what you have)are down wind drivers and more understable than a RIDT.
The newer runs of RI with the concave, are much better for headwinds and closer to the regular Gateway High speed driver stability!
Discs like the Illusion, Spirit, Blurr, Rage and Speed Demon-DT are all meant for headwind drives and players with BIG POWER.
Depending on your velocity, rotation and how smooth you release the discs, I'm sure you can find one that you can use for fierce headwinds without the fear of it flipping over!
I would recommend the Rage or Blurr if you like fast long winged drivers.

We just stamped the Rages today and the stamp is really looking sweet! Thanks to all of those who sent art, next up The Diablo-DT :cool::cool:

I have probably 6 or 7 raging infernos... The protos I have are about as stable as my worn-in Star Wraiths. The newest ones fly pretty much exactly the same as my Teerex-X. Especially in the new "super-resilient" plastic.

when will the new gateway site be up?

maybe by tonight if not early this week.

dave did you get my 2nd email?

Not sure, but it looks like Justin and Boro will be in Bowling Green this Thursday - Sunday.
My Grandfather ( Fred McCormack) who owns the 300 acres and farm where Ozark mountain and Akita's run courses are passed away last night and the funeral is this Saturday!
Those guys should be at one of the courses each day as well as the fly mart on saturday night and at white on Sunday!

Sorry to hear about your loss, take care

Sorry to hear about that Dave, hope everything else is going well. Peace.

Sorry to hear that Dave. I'll help Justin and Boro during the flymart again if they need any help.

My condolences, Dave. :(

I'll stop by and see the Gatway guys at the Flymart and then try and hit an ace during the tournament with my Wizard for you! :)


sleepy

I love the teerex by innova but the plastic isnt my favorite. I am trying out Gateway and so far love everything i have tried. I am just wondering if someone could help me find the gateway version of the teerex. Thanks.

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

Dave, i have yet to hear back from you about the wizards. did you receive my 2nd email?

I'm guessing Dave is pretty distracted now due to his recent loss...give him time!!

My prayers are with you and your family Dave!

Dave, i have yet to hear back from you about the wizards. did you receive my 2nd email?


Kboyd,
Can you send it again, it must have been deleted or over looked.

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex

Sorry for your loss Dave....Take it easy

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.

A blurr would be closer to a tee rex, again it might need to get a little broken in as well.

A blurr would be closer to a tee rex, again it might need to get a little broken in as well.

I agree on that one, the Blurr I have flies exactly like a Tee-Rex.

I've been throwing this Proto-Blurr I received from Dave last year, and it's working out for me pretty well. Saves me $! How do the proto's compare to the regular runs?

I think the protos are a little more stable than the production ones not sure though.

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.




Must not be "really beat"... I have spirits that you can throw with as much hyzer as you want and they will turn into rollers :) continue the beating haha

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.




Must not be "really beat"... I have spirits that you can throw with as much hyzer as you want and they will turn into rollers :) continue the beating haha

Well I guess I don't suck as bad as you do -- smacking all them tree's and stuff. :o:eek: :D

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.




Must not be "really beat"... I have spirits that you can throw with as much hyzer as you want and they will turn into rollers :) continue the beating haha

Well I guess I don't suck as bad as you do -- smacking all them tree's and stuff. :o:eek: :D



Kinda hard to hit trees living in OKC eh?

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.




Must not be "really beat"... I have spirits that you can throw with as much hyzer as you want and they will turn into rollers :) continue the beating haha

Well I guess I don't suck as bad as you do -- smacking all them tree's and stuff. :o:eek: :D



or... throwing them into cement walls :) :D

I've been throwing this Proto-Blurr I received from Dave last year, and it's working out for me pretty well. Saves me $! How do the proto's compare to the regular runs?



The production runs are closer to the 2nd runs which are softer and flatter and less overstable.
the first runs of pink and orange that are poppy on the top are the most overstable ones.
The newer run or white, yellow and blue are just pure money and they only need to be slightly broken in to go BIG!!!

will there be any e demons run in a softer plastic?

Try out the blurr. very similar flight, but slightly longer. also a beat spirit or illusion kinda is like a teerex. both are faster. The blurr will be closest.

LOL...I wouldn't even compare a Tee-Rex to a spirit, both a very fast but the Spirit's are ALOT more overstable than a Tee-Rex



Notice where he said "BEAT" spirit :) , I would agree that a beat spirit is similar to a tee-rex not a new spirit though.

I have 2 REALLY BEAT in Spirit's and they are still the most stable disc in my bag/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Nothing like a Tee-Rex.




Must not be "really beat"... I have spirits that you can throw with as much hyzer as you want and they will turn into rollers :) continue the beating haha

Well I guess I don't suck as bad as you do -- smacking all them tree's and stuff. :o:eek: :D



Kinda hard to hit trees living in OKC eh?

There is if you play at Dolese a lot.

will there be any e demons run in a softer plastic?


E demons are really hard to keep down in weight.
if we get a blend of any kind that works we usually just run with it.
I may try some softer E demons down the road, but they would be massively overstable as softer usually means flatter.
Towards the middle of summer we are going to make a dimpled technology wing for the Sabre Blaze Hybrid and Demon, ( which all share the same wing now) that will make each model less overstable and have more glide.
adding the mass with the straighter dimpled wing wont help in making E demons though!
The disc it will really add to is the Hybrid as it has a really thin flight plate and a very low mass right now with the concave wing making it hard to get up to weight with out concentrated Polyurethane materials which are very costly!

The 150 E hybrids though are money if you you have good enough technique to throw 150 or live/play at higher elevations.

Dave, any word on the glow wizards i asked for? thanks.

When are the Diablo DT's going to be sent for approval? Justin let me throw his out at Preston-miller and these things bomb.

The Diablo is already pdga approved as of last week.

I threw some RI dts for the first time this weekend. They fly very far, very fast. Impressive!

Shawn said he threw one over the fence on one at Lovers and reach 14 or 15 with a Hyzer all the way!

are those good shots.

When was the Demon re-tooled? I have been throwing one for a while, and when I went to get a backup, I found that the wing is very different... It is straight on the wing, where the old ones had more of a curved lip or bead. I dont like the new grip as much. Do they fly similarly, or are they straighter?

That would be HUGE. To reach 15 with a hyzer all the way, I'd feel like I was throwing 600. The only other person I've seen reach that hole was barry with a big anhyzer.

are those good shots.



OOOOH YEAH!!!! 15 is a 500 footers, and the longest at Lovers. 14 is only 330, but its got big pine in the way that's very deceitful. But man reaching 15, that's amazing!!!

Not to mention that is 500' uphill!

Dave, have you checked on the wizards yet?? if you don't have them, it is fine.

Threw the Diablo-Dt for about an hour yesterday. They are a sweet disc. Very easy to get a huge s out of and they have a lot of good glide. Don't need much height to get good distance either.

Dave, is there anyway you can get a hold of Steve from Quest AT? I talked to him over the wknd in Bowling Green about sponsorship, and he said to email him to discuss it. I did Sunday night and he still hasnt gotten back to me. Is he on vacation, busy, or out promoting? I'm not sure if he remembers me, but if you would be so kind to tell him JD Hazel still needs to talk to him that would be great.

Dave you have E-Mail.

are there any demons lying around that were molded in e plastic that are the overweight ones that don't that the de-weighting agent in them?

also dave look out for a phone call tomorrow from a 405 area code. I should have time to give you a call about what we talked about in those emails

Have you got the piece on your molding machine fixed, and the elements and elx's run in that new plastic yet?

Not yet, but hopefully we should be back in action on Monday.
We could run the Sabre, Blaze, Hybrid, Demon mold but we are not out of those discs.

We may have some heavy E demons and some runs of S demons we intentionally ran fast to "puff up the wing" so they wouldn't be so overstable.
The Black ones we have with the gold and silver stamp are really overstable, similar to the flat topped protos.

If they don't work try Jen and John at www.jemdiscs.com (http://www.jemdiscs.com) (Gateway South) or www.Gatewayundergrund.com (http://www.Gatewayundergrund.com) one of them should have some older demons for sale

would you say it behaves like a longer sabre that doesn't need the same amount of height?

I would say the diablo could be considered similar to the latest runs of E Sabres in stabilty. They will have similar turn and fade numbers but will be at 10 for both speed and Glide! It has the same similar in flight characteristic as the sabres, but it can be thrown at much lower heights.
Most of the latest runs of E Sabres are pretty beefy and are really hard to get them broken in!
It acts like a Blurr or Illusion but is more of a neutral flying stability at lower velocities.
It really likes down winds and cross winds and depending on how good you are it can also be thrown into a head wind as long as it is hyzer nose up!

I know this question has probably been answered already but I don't feel like looking for it but are Speed Demon's still being made?

The final run of them are on Gateway Underground. Now its strictly the Speed Demon DT which is still a good disc.

i recently converted to throwing all gateway and have been pleasantly surprised so far. all your mid range are awesome i have been using wizards forever now and the e warlock is unreal. it's almost like cheating throwing it. i am going to get a few more drivers and mess with that side. i need a little more variety but i am confident that i will find a great mix and throw a pure gateway bag. keep it up.

I'm continually amazed on how quick this frisbee gets from A to B....while visiting home for Easter, I birdied a flat 470'ish hole, hitting my putt about 25' on the short side of the green. I will definatly be stocking up on these before I hit the ro-ad!

Discdeadhead returns as the disc dred head!
:cool:
are you snagging wireless at your apartment?

D~Mac, is there any type of patent on your DT technology...and if not, how long before the 'others' get in on this? Congrads on all your successes! :cool:

Discdeadhead returns as the disc dred head!
:cool:
are you snagging wireless at your apartment?



No, actually I was at the Bread Co. and now we're on our way to Bowling Green! More later!

If I am not mistaken the DT stuff is patent pending...

Not yet, but hopefully we should be back in action on Monday.
We could run the Sabre, Blaze, Hybrid, Demon mold but we are not out of those discs.

We may have some heavy E demons and some runs of S demons we intentionally ran fast to "puff up the wing" so they wouldn't be so overstable.
The Black ones we have with the gold and silver stamp are really overstable, similar to the flat topped protos.

If they don't work try Jen and John at www.jemdiscs.com (http://www.jemdiscs.com) (Gateway South) or www.Gatewayundergrund.com (http://www.Gatewayundergrund.com) one of them should have some older demons for sale



Here's where to go:
http://home.earthlink.net/~gatewaysouth.com/

Thanks for the correction Jen.
we ran about 300 150 class S elements today for a gig in Memphis this weekend ( we should have some left over if you have something coming up they will work for let me know rioght away.
I also ran about 120 max weight S elements, tomorrow I go fukll bore into the E Elements and then into ELX until the Wizard/Warlcok plastic comes in. Then I will see how soft I can get the super soft and how many!!!!!!!!.
We are think of a new flex called SSS ( super-stupid-Soft) you like it???

I managed to pick up an SS warlock and it's almost too soft. If it hits chains too hard, it gets deformed, but it is easy to bend back.

There is a lot of rebound resiliency in the plastic we use for our S even in the super softs.

For some reason Super-Soft Putters are very popular with the new players, but most top pro players use a medium flex for their main putters!

Hey Dave,

Looks like your guys are doing a great job this weekend...some at tournaments and JohnE went down south for a college event in Ft.Myers and did great with spreading the word to local players about Gateway plastic.

Looks like GG and Justin tied at Bowling Green and Lenny Gomez of Gateway South took first place by three strokes at the Gainseville Am trny this weekend. Great work to all Gateway guys at tournaments this weekend.

Jen :cool:

I am not for sure how the whole contact between how deals get done to carry discs. But I know of a few people around here that wish the local shop would carry at least some Gateway stuff in Bowling Green. They carry Innova, Discraft, and just recently started carrying Quest. http://www.natsoutdoor.com/ this is their web address if you want to try to get in contact with them.

Thanks Robert, I just sent them an email.
I haven't heard of any retail store owners that are "under contract" with a supplier.
If there is demand for our products, store owners can easily contact us for a wholesale price list or go to our website for information on becoming a retailer.
It doesn't hurt though to give them a nudge in our direction!
Here's is a direct link to the information on our "NEW" site:
http://gdstour.com/gateway_distribution_information.php

illusion product page shows a picture of a hybrid... in case you didn't know...

like the new site though, hopefully I can find some time in between all this school work to provide some content for you :)

Doesn't look like I am going to make it down for the St Louis Open this year, I have a final exam at 230pm on Friday the 18th, probably cutting it too close for me to drive down.

illusion product page shows a picture of a hybrid... in case you didn't know...

like the new site though, hopefully I can find some time in between all this school work to provide some content for you :)

Doesn't look like I am going to make it down for the St Louis Open this year, I have a final exam at 230pm on Friday the 18th, probably cutting it too close for me to drive down.



And the Hybrid shows the Illusion. :D

I was wondering when I will be paid and credited for the items I supplied for your new website? I think the payment was supposed to be 10-20 discs per item used. I thought I'd wait until the site was up and going before I asked.

There is a lot of rebound resiliency in the plastic we use for our S even in the super softs.

For some reason Super-Soft Putters are very popular with the new players, but most top pro players use a medium flex for their main putters!



I do even the SS warlock out with a med wizard but i'm definitely no pro

When will all the player profiles be up?


Like the site a lot.

Any news about the upcoming discs in your line-up David?
Assassin and Blast?

We have prototypes of the Blast Dt, which is the Blurr?Rage top on the Speed demon DT wing, but probably wont be releasing it for a few months. I think we have enough High Speed Drivers at this point.
Not sure yet on the Assassin as the diablo DT is pretty sweet.
Most of our focus over the next month or so will be on getting stocked back up on Wizards and Warlocks of all flexibilities, colors and weights.
We have had HUGE late winter early spring surge of sales and have been pretty much wiped out of our inventory, so now we are trying to get caught up.

Thanks Robert, I just sent them an email.
I haven't heard of any retail store owners that are "under contract" with a supplier.
If there is demand for our products, store owners can easily contact us for a wholesale price list or go to our website for information on becoming a retailer.
It doesn't hurt though to give them a nudge in our direction!
Here's is a direct link to the information on our "NEW" site:
http://gdstour.com/gateway_distribution_information.php


wow that is not a very aggressive sales technique. sounds like you need some go getters over there to get gateway blowing up. e-mail is cool but phone calls get discs shipped. waiting around for the retailers to call you is not how you grow business. Gateway makes great discs and man do i love my warlock good looking out guys.

Thanks Robert, I just sent them an email.
I haven't heard of any retail store owners that are "under contract" with a supplier.
If there is demand for our products, store owners can easily contact us for a wholesale price list or go to our website for information on becoming a retailer.
It doesn't hurt though to give them a nudge in our direction!
Here's is a direct link to the information on our "NEW" site:
http://gdstour.com/gateway_distribution_information.php


wow that is not a very aggressive sales technique. sounds like you need some go getters over there to get gateway blowing up. e-mail is cool but phone calls get discs shipped. waiting around for the retailers to call you is not how you grow business. Gateway makes great discs and man do i love my warlock good looking out guys.



Well that's why I went to Nat's yesterday and talked to them. They're interested now, so I guess a deal just has to be made.

Thanks Robert, I just sent them an email.
I haven't heard of any retail store owners that are "under contract" with a supplier.
If there is demand for our products, store owners can easily contact us for a wholesale price list or go to our website for information on becoming a retailer.
It doesn't hurt though to give them a nudge in our direction!
Here's is a direct link to the information on our "NEW" site:
http://gdstour.com/gateway_distribution_information.php


wow that is not a very aggressive sales technique. sounds like you need some go getters over there to get gateway blowing up. e-mail is cool but phone calls get discs shipped. waiting around for the retailers to call you is not how you grow business. Gateway makes great discs and man do i love my warlock good looking out guys.





Considering what BIg Wave Does for a living this is a HUGE point!!!!

Nice New Site. When i was in hoover,al a few months ago i remember seeing alot of innova discs at a sports store, i believe it was Academy sports, and there wasn't a course for probally 10 miles.

i passed on contact info to a local store that used to only stock innova. they are interested and i will be following up with them to see if they called. it's nick's sports in universal city tx.

Well that's why I went to Nat's yesterday and talked to them. They're interested now, so I guess a deal just has to be made.


Good for you dude (please read w/ sarcasim)

Yeah I know we need a more aggressive sales and marketing program. We have created a lot of demand for the discs, now we just need to keep them in stock.
Phone calls and emails are good for setting up the meetings but the in person visits with point of sale display racks and a handshake is what really gets the job done.

Yeah I know we need a more aggressive sales and marketing program. We have created a lot of demand for the discs, now we just need to keep them in stock.
Phone calls and emails are good for setting up the meetings but the in person visits with point of sale display racks and a handshake is what really gets the job done.



Pat said he'll call you from his cell on Monday unless you want to call the store and ask for him personally. He'll be working all weekend so I figured this might be best.

Well that's why I went to Nat's yesterday and talked to them. They're interested now, so I guess a deal just has to be made.


Good for you dude (please read w/ sarcasim)



That was pretty immature, dude. I dont see the purpose of giving a sarcastic remark. I'm just trying to help Dave get Gateway here in BG. It's not like I'm lifting myself up on a pedestal.

Well that's why I went to Nat's yesterday and talked to them. They're interested now, so I guess a deal just has to be made.


Good for you dude (please read w/ sarcasim)



That was pretty immature, dude. I dont see the purpose of giving a sarcastic remark. I'm just trying to help Dave get Gateway here in BG. It's not like I'm lifting myself up on a pedestal.





I dont think BIg Wave was hating here! IF so I will take care of it!

Dave, have you run any warlocks in s plastic? Also I'm trying to get a couple player bags. Do you know when I'll be able to get those?

we should be getting some tours and players in tomorrow, what colors?

Are you going to lexington?
just cal Justin at the shop he may be able to bring them for you!

You know I'll be there!! 70 and sunny! I'll just give Justin a call.

Thanks Dave

Oh, by the way I just talked to the managers over at Nats and it looks like I might be getting a job over there.

i really need some stiff glow wizards but i cannot find any

will any be around soon?

Will more ss warlocks be made sometime soon?

That was pretty immature, dude. I dont see the purpose of giving a sarcastic remark. I'm just trying to help Dave get Gateway here in BG. It's not like I'm lifting myself up on a pedestal.


dude i am going to be honest with you man and sorry to gateway for the thread drift but your posts make me really not like you. i have never met you and as far as i am concerned i would prefer to keep it that way. it started with you ignorant (and i mean that in the purist sense of the word not calling you names) assesments of the bowling green am from the start of the thread and it continues to now. i have never used the ignore function on this message board but i just put you there. peace homie and good luck in the future.

That was pretty immature, dude. I dont see the purpose of giving a sarcastic remark. I'm just trying to help Dave get Gateway here in BG. It's not like I'm lifting myself up on a pedestal.


dude i am going to be honest with you man and sorry to gateway for the thread drift but your posts make me really not like you. i have never met you and as far as i am concerned i would prefer to keep it that way. it started with you ignorant (and i mean that in the purist sense of the word not calling you names) assesments of the bowling green am from the start of the thread and it continues to now. i have never used the ignore function on this message board but i just put you there. peace homie and good luck in the future.



Okay. I dont know you either so it doesnt affect me, plus its the internet and internet feuds are just ridiculous. But if you think im ignorant that's fine with me. I appreciate open honesty, and hate it when people beat around the bush. But I'm not gonna lose sleep.

you need some glacial water for that volcanic burn jd???

BOOM!!!

you need some glacial water for that volcanic burn jd???

BOOM!!!



Only the Bobby Boucher's magic water can put this burn out.

are you guys SERIOUSLY trying to get Nats Outdoor Sports to be a Gateway disc provider??? good thought i guess but if i know their business like i do, they may only carry a small supply of anything different from the norm for a VERY short time. unless gateway discs are an absolute HIT, which i don't see happening (though i'm sure j.d. hazel will buy out most all of the stuff) they'll just stick with most all innova and a few discraft items. keep pestering people to promote disc golf j.d. it'll work one of these years.

just kidding j.d. but don't you think you go pretty overboard sometimes with the whole disc golf LIFE. it's a pretty large aspect of mine, but there's certainly very much more in life besides obsessing over gateway discs.

DAVE,
I GOT A NEW DIABLO(?) AND A ILLISION FROM JUSTIN AND DEVAN...I BELIEVE THAT YOU MAY HAVE ME HOOKED ON THESE TWO DISC. I LIKE THE FRETTING ON THE EDGE AND THE FEEL OF THE ILLISION, AND LOVE THE DISTANCE THAT I GET FROM THE DIABLO(?).
DAN BOUGHER

just kidding j.d. but don't you think you go pretty overboard sometimes with the whole disc golf LIFE. it's a pretty large aspect of mine, but there's certainly very much more in life besides obsessing over gateway discs.



1st off it was Dave's suggestion to see if I would go to Nat's. 2nd I've only been out on the course like 3 times in 2 weeks. I've been really concentrating on my school work this semester so disc golf has taken a backseat. You'd be surprised to see how little time I've been on the course since the semester started. Unlike last year where I was out 4-6 days a week I'm lucky to get to play 9 holes in a week now. My focus is school and work more than ever so your judgemental notions about me are uncalled for seeing as since last summer we've seen each other twice. Please don't take this as me being a dick as that's not my intention. I owe you alot for teaching me how to play this sport, but dont come across like you know what's going on in my life.

Also, it was Nat's idea to get Gateway into the store, and they called Gateway, but a rep. never came by to seal the deal. Nat's does carry more than INNOVA and Discraft now. They have some Lightning, and they also sell all the Quest AT discs. And I've never pestered anyone to promote disc golf. I've gone to Nat's to talk to them since David asked me to, and that's it. And what's the problem anyway with people promoting the sport? Isn't that what we all want?

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i love joking with you j.d. you take everything so seriously. the only reason i even made an account on this forum was to make ridiculous posts that have no relevance or real significance to disc golf. i'm just trying to make you mad. so please don't take any of my posts seriously. this is just a hilarious past time that i take part in. the fact that so many people waste their lives posting information like this and responding to quotes makes me sick. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR GOLFING SIR!!!

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i love joking with you j.d. you take everything so seriously. the only reason i even made an account on this forum was to make ridiculous posts that have no relevance or real significance to disc golf. i'm just trying to make you mad. so please don't take any of my posts seriously. this is just a hilarious past time that i take part in. the fact that so many people waste their lives posting information like this and responding to quotes makes me sick. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR GOLFING SIR!!!

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It's hard to read sarcasm online seeing as you're only looking at words, but if your serious then it's cool. I wasnt mad though, but I dont like it when people, even when joking make assumptions without anything to back it up. It just creates too much mess, and tension sometimes. But like I said, if you are just joking then its cool.

are you guys SERIOUSLY trying to get Nats Outdoor Sports to be a Gateway disc provider??? good thought i guess but if i know their business like i do, they may only carry a small supply of anything different from the norm for a VERY short time. unless gateway discs are an absolute HIT, which i don't see happening (though i'm sure j.d. hazel will buy out most all of the stuff) they'll just stick with most all innova and a few discraft items. keep pestering people to promote disc golf j.d. it'll work one of these years.



They have sold 90 Quest discs in 24 days....Gateway would do just fine.

Dave,

Do you expect any changes to the diablo from thr proto to the production runs? also, is the diablo made in the SRP? I really like this plasic. If so will any be ran in E or Nike?

one last question? when will the diablo be ran and put on the AS program?

Can't wait for those wizards and warlocs to be ran. I'm saving my $$ to put in an order and its burning a hole in my pocket. I have a ton of people askin for them.

well you know kevin, i don't know this kind of stuff being that i don't live there right now. give me a call tomorrow and we'll go play a bit at vetaran's.

Dave,
I'm trying these Ultralight RIDT's. If you have smooth follow thru these things fly sweet and FAR. Also, a really cool turnover shot when you rip it.

Also, I really like the brown discs.

sorry for all the controversy and confusion on this insanely large thread. i just wrote a bunch of random crap. it's not really how i feel about disc golf or anything related.

I know gateway/quest has came out with a ton of new discs since the inferno, but after getting a chance to mess around with it today i have to give it up to gateway. I was throwing a black inferno and a red star wraith and was consistantly getting 30/40 feet more distance with the inferno. I'll admit that in the beginning i wasn't too impressed with the inferno, but after really giving it a chance and trying to learn it I will say it is the longest disc in my bag by far.

Have you thrown the diablo Dt yet?
It has several similar flight characteristics as the inferno but can be thrown lower to the ground for amazingly long straight flights.
The surface technology on the tops of both really reduce the drag and the dimples on the diablo-DT seem to hold it in the air forever.

Thanks for the props Kboyd and for giving the discs a fair workout.

Did you run those softer sabers yet? If so, did they turn out like the earlier white ones?

hey dave, my friend dustin "jump putt king" fee told me about the nike spirit. what exactly are they?

nike plastic is a plastic that was formulated for nike and dave got some and it made some awesome spirits. they are super duable, super overstable, and the best feeling plastic. I think they (nike) used it for soles of their shoes

i haven't thrown the diablo but that definintely makes me want to try it. I am much better at keeping my drives low.. i think that is why i like spirits as well.

I don't think I've seen the answer to this but where does the Diablo DT sit compared to the RI DT as far as stablility and distance (or speed) and glide?

Please don't forget to let us know when the Diablo DT will be available to the general public.

the diablo is faster, not as much lss or hss, and longer than the ridt.

I think the diablo will be out end of this month or beginning of june

Longer than the ridt? Super! I had my longest throw ever the other day with a ridt. Just a bit longer than my first mold ri with a tail wind. Both are longer than any other disc made for me. Thanks for the info.

they also handle cross winds amazingly. I have been using ridt and blurrs for my distance drives and the diablo goes furthur with less effort. you can also crank on it to get some wicked annies. its awesome in lighter weights. I have 2 168, 1 170, and 1 175. the 168s bomb on distance throws.

is that the diablo or diablo DT?

they don't make just diablos. I'm just lazy and don't put DT

is there a difference in mold between the Fx sabre and regular sabre?

Do you still make both, or are they all Fx now?

the fx is more overstable. its between a sabre and a hybrid. don't know for sure about the production, but I think they both are still ran

the fx is more overstable. its between a sabre and a hybrid. don't know for sure about the production, but I think they both are still ran



The FX means that it was cooled on a fixture. Basically instead of letting it cool on a table you place it over a curved fixture to get a little different shrinkage during cooling which makes them a little more HSS and also gives them more fade.

Did you run those softer sabers yet? If so, did they turn out like the earlier white ones?


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So, not a disc for head winds. If it is less hss than the ridt, which will flip in a head wind, then it sounds like its flight characteristics, at least at high speed, are a lot like the first mold ri. Is this a fair assesment of your description?

I haven't extensively thrown the ri, but I would say yes but faster and holds a line much longer due to the dimples. if you throw at about 75 percent power with a good amout of hyzer, it will flip and hold it for a long time if you give it enough height, but I would just go with a blurr or spirit for the headwind

check out the flight of the diablo in the last section of this video!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iC31OctXuUc

The course is the one we will be using for the June 16-17th Gateway open.
we will ahve more footage of the course up soon.
the diablo almost aced a 455' hole!

Was that bigfoot walking through the woods in the last zoom? ;)

it was MO-MO ( the Missouri Monster) he is now in Illinois!

it was MO-MO ( the Missouri Monster) he is now in Illinois!


Ha! I haven't heard about MO-MO since I was a kid. I was wondering where he went. :D

Maybe it was just me, but I couldn't follow the flight of the disc in that last throw. From your exclamation, I can assume that you were pleased with it, though. :confused:

Does nikko still play golf?

i thought he would make some noise in some big tournies this year, but haven't seen him in any of the results lately.

Are you planning on doing a non DT version of the diablo? Also could you describe what you are planning the assasin to fly like?

most likely we will not do a non dimpled version of the diablo.

The assassin will be similar to the inferno with a blunter nose and thicker flight plate. it should fly just about the same.

The assassin will be similar to the inferno with a blunter nose and thicker flight plate. it should fly just about the same.



oh im excited!!!

Got the discs you sent me in the mail today. I only got a chance to throw the Rage sidearm, but it's the first distance disc made by you that's felt comfortable for this throw. I can start it out on a slight anhyzer line and just watch it crush on a nice "S". I also had to throw a forehand roller through some thick grass, and was pretty amazed at how well it worked. I was never a big spirit thrower (they were too overstable for me when I tried them 3 or so years back), but the Rage impressed me in the first few rounds of work. I need some headwinds to test it in, and then we'll really see if it's what I'm looking for. I know that spirits in lighter weights are still piggishly overstable; from your experience, are the Rages in lower weights similar in stability to max weight?

Oh, and those Elements we talked about are the closest thing I've found to the run of orange that I like so much. I think they're maybe a touch slower (but those orange ones were freakishly fast), but they really fly straight when given power, and can hold a slow anhyzer like a broken in ELX. The plastic is some of the best I've ever felt in any of your discs.

Can we get filled in about the Blast DT. I remember hearing about it a while ago. Flight characteristics, timeline, anything else we need to know about it

Can Gateway sponsered players throw 1080's radius? I know it is a Warlock, and I have friends that are sponsered and they weren't sure as to throwing them. BTW, both of the radius discs have SWEET plastic. Will Gateway use these plastics? The Radius driver feels much better than any of the E Wizard variants I've thrown.

The top locks different when you compare the Radius and Warlock :confused:,.. or is it just the different plastics that makes the difference?

the injection and cooling made them form up different

the injection and cooling made them form up different



Was it intentionally?

Kjell-

We definitely intended the Radius to be made out of different plastics than the blends being used in Gateway's discs. From my own experience and that of nearly everybody I've talked to who has thrown the Radius Short Range and Driver, the discs have their own distinctive feel and flight.

One result that you can see on the edge of the Radius with the Putting plastics is a slight concavity to the lower edge of the wing. According to Dave M, this concavity gives the putters a bit more stability at the end of their flight, which I personally love. To me, this gives the disc a very predictable flight - I feel like you can throw the disc a little harder without worrying about it turning over and not coming back. Also, the higher rubber content in that plastic also gives it a great resistance to damage.

Thanks,

-Dave

Kjell-

We definitely intended the Radius to be made out of different plastics than the blends being used in Gateway's discs. From my own experience and that of nearly everybody I've talked to who has thrown the Radius Short Range and Driver, the discs have their own distinctive feel and flight.

One result that you can see on the edge of the Radius with the Putting plastics is a slight concavity to the lower edge of the wing. According to Dave M, this concavity gives the putters a bit more stability at the end of their flight, which I personally love. To me, this gives the disc a very predictable flight - I feel like you can throw the disc a little harder without worrying about it turning over and not coming back. Also, the higher rubber content in that plastic also gives it a great resistance to damage.

Thanks,

-Dave




I think that the Wizard wins this battle. :DI can throw a Wizard 99.9% and on a hyzer and it will pop up and fly STRAIGHT whereas the Warlock will turn over and then come back. Anyway I like the direct line better.

Hi David,

I was curious if the plastic mix on the discs I got from Kid is going to be around for awhile? People at the Rumble were real impressed with the "pearly" type of plastic on the new Elements and Element Xs, and also with the new Sabres and Supersoft Warlocks.

...Even I am trying out the SS Warlock. Great Work!

I just picked up 2 med 2 soft and 1 Hard max weight wizards and they are My new favorite disc! I wish I would have been throwing the wizard a long time ago! I also throw these things on a hyzer and they flip up and fly straight. I was throwing the Aviar-X even after just hitting a ace with one 2 weeks ago they are all out of my bag. I was woundering what some of the gateway sponsered player throw as far as plastic type firm med soft supersoft and why?

i think most throw med. some ss. the hard tends to be a little smoother surfaced, so i don't get as good of a grip with it and will occasionally have a goofy toss. i throw meds.

you can look on the gateway site to see what sponsored players are throwing.