Dave you have PM

Dave do you know if Justin sent those stamped wizards out yet? I guess I could just call tomorrow sometime, thought they would get here by now getting to be about a week before the tournament!

Dave great job doing all this work and getting all these new discs out. I was wondering if you are coming out with any new midranges?
Thanks

I was wondering if you are coming out with any new midranges?




Yeah, Dave. You have the Blurr. How about The Bear? :D

I think the mids are set though
S Element-understable
E Element- dead striahgt
E Element-X- overstable/straight
E Blaze- overstable

Now if they can only have some S elements to send me... but i prefer the beat ELX in S plastic though

The Beadless Wizard should be kinda mid-rangeish /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I'm pretty sure we have 2 or 3 more mid-ranges coming out of the Chicago plant before too long. we are going to submit 8 new discs before the end of the year, but cant get all 25 new discs into full production for a few months.
Their should be a san marino roc and a 21 cm san marino roc as well.

Their should be a san marino roc and a 21 cm san marino roc as well.



Are you for real?! That would be sick!! How about a 10x Teeebird? :D;) :cool:

Their should be a san marino roc and a 21 cm san marino roc as well.



Tell us more about this SM Roc please.

There will be a few variations of the teebird.
10X is just a run from the same mold all of the others are ran.
What exactly is so special about this certain run?

I have about 10 different variations of the TEE bird and TL by shape, but do not have a 10X.

Do you have enough "other teebirds" to loook closely and compare it too others?
If you want to know how to compare here are a few ways.
Lay both on a flat table side by side noticing the parting line, which one is higher off the table and which one is closer?
Now flip them over and look at the parting lines again, which ever line is higher off the table is the domier one.

You can also look at the concaves on the wing or the transition from nose to center over the top.
Even .005 difference can be a huge factor at 50 MPH.

Flexiblity and surface friction can also decide flight chracteristic.
Gummy grippy discs of this speed could hang longer on the glide pattern before falling off.

Dave,
The 10x has mix of CE in it. Very durable.

Gummy grippy discs of this speed could hang longer on the glide pattern before falling off.



I throw super-gummy candy plastic almost exclusively for driving, and I, indeed, have found this to be the case in extensive field testing against stiff "CE-like" candy drivers.

Dave,
The 10x has mix of CE in it. Very durable.



Yep. They're often listed as "hybrid" 10x's on ebay...there were a few runs of different plastic (I've got some 10x's out of 9x plastic that aren't near as nice), but the ones everyone makes a big deal about (including me) have a mix of CE plastic and SE plastic. Somewhere on the Dave D thread he talks about 2 runs, with do different percentages of the 2 plastics. Basicly, the 10x birds felt like a slightly more rigid SE teebird, but were way more durable.

As far as your comparison methods, I've had domey and flat 10x's. In general, the ones that seem to have more SE plastic than CE plastic get a bit more domey, but this is just my observation.

Are there any lines to be stepped on with Innova by wording it as a teebird disc, I would keep using the teebird-Like wording just to protect against any possible action that can be taken?

How about Bee Turd! :D

Are there any lines to be stepped on with Innova by wording it as a teebird disc, I would keep using the teebird-Like wording just to protect against any possible action that can be taken?


Comparing a new disc to something similar to another brand of disc in this thread shouldnt be that big of a deal.
We, ( Innova, Discraft and Gateway) players have been making cross comparisons for over 20 years, if it was a problem I think I would have heard by now.

I doubt we make any advertising copy using the word tee bird though.
This thread is to help players who want to try our discs that are not familar with them, hopefully its not offensive to Innova and more of a compliment.
Up until now our discs were not copies or clones but all had their own Identities seperate from anything else out there.
With the increase in popluarity of our products getting us more players interested in trying out our discs, the demand for "like discs" is getting too high. We have a bit of a cult following and some players would rather throw a tee-bird style discs with the Gateway name on it.

Just thought I would throw it out there! Sounds like a good move though! You should get in touch with John Dorn here in wisconsin to do some disc art for new discs, I think he would be interested.

Dave, I have had 2 elements in the trunk for awhile, finally decided to test them out yesterday. Here's what I found:

Black S (it's like DX) ELX, 180: Thrown with less speed than a roc, it has a very similar line, but I don't like to "back off" on the roc, so I will still be using the roc as an overstable mid. I know the blaze is a nice overstable mid, but I don't have access to one or $$ right now.

Red E (It's like champion but more grippy and floppy, from the 2006 Bowling Green Ams) EL, 182:
I threw it once, and it sucked. It just flipped real quick and kept going right (RHBH). But then I backed off on it the next throw, and parked holes the next 3 times I threw it, very hard anhyzer holes. All 3 throws were ace runs. Real close ace runs. I even hyzer-flipped it through a tunnel, and it was dead straight to the fairway, 300' feet down. It is a sweet disc. It immediately replaced my beat up dx roc, beat up d buzzz, and z comet. Thank you for making my bag lighter.

You probaly need one of the newer E elements or or element-X's.
Most S elements are meant to be flippy, until lately we didnt have much that flips right at slow speeds.

Newer runs of the Element are very buzz like and the E element X are like CE rocs, but faster.

I know when I threw my S Element-X it would flip if I torqued it a lot I found out the E Element-X were better for me.

Man...the Inferno keeps on impressing me when I am on the course. I am carrying three of them right now, one of which is a 170g proto that is severly worn in. I threw it with a tailwind today and parked hole 1 at Grandview(Measures out at 499 feet with an 8 foot elevation drop. Pure money.

Joe,
are you only throwing the black Infernos?

BTW,
Did we ever get all of the url addresses we registered and pointed to gdstour?

Its just a wish list:

Beadless Wizard
E Demon
Flat topped Sabres
Leopard.

To me the sabres are a faster straighter leopard.

I don't remember the exact facts but have seen on her before where when the demon is run in E it does something that messes up the discs mold.

The beadless wizard is coming out around December Dave M. said and I bet these are going to be as sweet as the regular ones.

Dave:

I am carrying two of the white proto's and one black one. I use one of the protos that is really beaten up for long anhyzers and the other that isn't so beaten up for straight shots. The black one I am using for straight shots that finish with a hyzer. I like to use the black one for long sweeping hyzers too.

There is a run of Red ones that we should be getting soon.
Hopefully they have the stablity of the black!

There is a run of Red ones that we should be getting soon.
Hopefully they have the stablity of the black!



Maybe I got a weird one but my Black was the same stability as my whites if not a little more understable.

Matt,
Does the black have a tiny bit of concave on the wing?

BTW we sent you a Titan portable to show off, we keep getting a lot of chances to bid on courses in Texas, keep up the good work, hopefully we get one soon!!

Matt,
Does the black have a tiny bit of concave on the wing?

BTW we sent you a Titan portable to show off, we keep getting a lot of chances to bid on courses in Texas, keep up the good work, hopefully we get one soon!!



I will look at the wing when I get home. Thanks for sending the basket if I play the VPO this weekend I will haul it up with me. I have been pretty sick lately and took LAST place at one of our local c-tiers. :DIt was pretty sad but I didn't really want to quit.

Matt,
we keep getting a lot of chances to bid on courses in Texas,



I can't wait to see these courses in more courses. I'm able to trust my putting on these baskets the most because of the extra chains. With having a harder putt I don't worry about stupid spits like you have to on other courses.

I'm still working on getting my home course open from Katrina when that happens I'm going to try and get these baskets out there.

Matt,
we keep getting a lot of chances to bid on courses in Texas,



I can't wait to see these courses in more courses. I'm able to trust my putting on these baskets the most because of the extra chains. With having a harder putt I don't worry about stupid spits like you have to on other courses.

I'm still working on getting my home course open from Katrina when that happens I'm going to try and get these baskets out there.


You guys keep working we will get some titans out for new course soon and then it will be like an avalanche :cool:

Hey Dave, the discs and basket came in yesterday. I will test the discs out this afternoon.

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Everyone loves double chained baskets. Wait till more people start using 3 sets of chains. I know I'm going to work on getting some baskets down here I love those things.

i had a black prototype wizard that was made of a rubery type of plastic. i have been putting with it for a couple of years now and recently lost it. i am struggling trying to find another wizard that works. do you have a wizard in this type of plastic still or something close to it. it was also pretty flat on top. it was perfect. any suggestions.

Chalky black proto style wizards perhaps?

exactly.

. do you have a wizard in this type of plastic still or something close to it. it was also pretty flat on top. it was perfect. any suggestions.



Good luck finding anything similar, I buoght 2 SS Wizards in August, like 3 weeks later I order some SS Wizards frmo Gateway, I got them and they were not even close to the others I purchased. I asked Dave about them cause the newer ones I got were slick and stiff................he told me to do somethings to them to soften them up, doesn't work.

Dave:

Do you have any plans to run S-Elements again in the near future?

Thanks,
JT

does anyone know what can soften the new wizards up to something similar. or do any of you have any of the black wizards i mentioned you are willing to part with. any help is appreciated

I have some soft wizards that were a little stiff but not bad. From doing 100's of putts a day these things are softer than and super soft disc I have ever seen.

does anyone know what can soften the new wizards up to something similar. or do any of you have any of the black wizards i mentioned you are willing to part with. any help is appreciated


Flex them up a bit in your hand and make about 200 putts.
Do they say super soft on the stamp?

yes i have 3 yellow that say supersoft.

I flex the new wizards for 15-20 minutes while I am watching tv then putt with them for a few days leaving them in the basket in the back yard then in the house for a run through the diswasher ( cold water only no drying) then they are ready for the bag.

i'll have to try the dishwasher thing. i have a tournay coming up and losing my putter has not faired well for me in preperation. thanks

We have about 100 wizards laying around our yard( nikkos training facility when hes grounded for skipping schoool), maybe we should start selling seasoned wizards :cool::D
I know Ive got 2 discs in may bag that were once just laying outside in the yard a while!

I can account for those 100 wizards they were all i practiced when i was not in the shop.

We should have the Beadless Wizard by Thanksgiving, it should do the job of a turnover putter!

My brother goes to The University of Rolla, and I was going to be around that area later this month. I noticed the closest course to the area is listed as Akitas Run in Vichy. You're listed as the course contact, and I was wondering if you could provide me with some info about it.

Akits run is a private course and it is not available for play at this time!!!

Sorry Chris.

Yar. I was reading about hole 7. It sounds like an amazing course while being pretty short.

i'll have to try the dishwasher thing. i have a tournay coming up and losing my putter has not faired well for me in preperation. thanks



Send this cat a wizard! Good Karma! Putter is yOU! :cool:

Yar. I was reading about hole 7. It sounds like an amazing course while being pretty short.



Akita's was a fun course, and so was "The Mountain". What do you think Dave...any chance of the Ozark Mountain Open or the Fall Festival next year? I know quite a few guys from up here would come down for it.

We wound up changing the hole to # 8 so it could be called ate-up! I think thats what youre talking about!

I know where the list of approved disc is but how come I can't find any of the Quest disc under there? Am I going to the wrong thing?

We wound up changing the hole to # 8 so it could be called ate-up! I think thats what youre talking about!



180 ft, 80 ft of elevation change. There's quite a few good reviews of that course around the net. Why were that couse and Ozark (I assume they're in the same place) pulled? When I lived in Arkansas, I got a few chances to play Horseshoe Canyon. From what people tell me who played both, Ozark is even more extreme.

Ozark is the most extreme course I have ever played. 1-800-Collect was a pretty sweet hole too.

Hole 8 and 9 on Akitas could add a few strokes to your score most assuredly, even though they were short holes.

My very first tournament that I played in was the Ozark Mountain Open. Wish I could go back and play it again, now that I have some experience.

no bead wizards is on my christmas list. as well as regular wizards. the dishwasher thing did not seem to change anything. it is coming along but not there yet. still the best putter made hands down.

no bead wizards is on my christmas list. as well as regular wizards. the dishwasher thing did not seem to change anything. it is coming along but not there yet. still the best putter made hands down.



Must be the wrong detergant we use the Shine Shield (http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/84195/200.jpg) makes the wizard all clean and grippy :D

Do you mean that the Beadles and regular wizards are on your Xmas list?

Dave,

I had an UltraLight Spirit that I got from Marshall Street. I loved this disc and it was my go-to thumber disc. Unfortunately, I was able to throw it too far because it was so light, and it met its demise in a pond.

My question is--is it possible to run an UltraLight in a more durable plastic, or does the density of the plastics preclude doing this? I loved that disc, but it certainly did get beat up fast.

oh yeah as many as i can get. i learned my lesson. going to stock up from now on.

Hey Dave, I looked at the Quest-AT website and they show about 15 different discs on there. What are some of the new ones you have in store for us?

Dave,

I had an UltraLight Spirit that I got from Marshall Street. I loved this disc and it was my go-to thumber disc. Unfortunately, I was able to throw it too far because it was so light, and it met its demise in a pond.

My question is--is it possible to run an UltraLight in a more durable plastic, or does the density of the plastics preclude doing this? I loved that disc,
but it certainly did get beat up fast.



The ultra light discs are our "S" without any weight filler and sometimes without to much rubber.
We do have some Speed Demon DT's in 150 and some around 125 that may be a little more durable than the Spirits.
But you are coreect the Urethane used for high end discs weigh 1.14 density. A mold like the spirit is about 145, so the lightest they can weigh would be around 165, its the math;; volume times density = mass

Hey Dave, I looked at the Quest-AT website and they show about 15 different discs on there. What are some of the new ones you have in store for us?


Out of the Chicago plant;
Besides whats on thier site, I know we have the raging inferno and the inferno Dt.
We should also be producing a 10 Meter Wizard, A one piece control driver and one piece mid-range approach ( both of these discs are now available in the odyssey overmolded series. The one piece discs will be flatter than the odyssey sisters and both will be rocish.

Here in St Louis we will have the rage which is the Spirit wing with the Blurr top and could have the Blast DT which would be the Blurr top and Speed demon DT bottom, but we may work on the DT pattern before releasing that one.
We also have the Magic, which will be a beadlesss Wizard.

Everything sounds interesting can't wait to see all the new disc.

My head is going to explode with all this new plastic coming out to throw!

I know what you mean, but there are so many players out there asking us for discs like this one and disc like that one.
I would be happy to stop after a few more, but I think players are to used to being spoon fed, at least we are coming up with new performance enhancing ideas.
we have some really good stuff going on and disc will be easier than ever to throw with distance and control.

Can you imaging being a retailer thats trying to keep up with the web dev and maintain a healthy inventory?
Talk about head hurting :0 :confused: :confused: :confused:

I know I'm excited to test out all the new disc and see if they have a place in my bag.

I feel my bag has already hit it's highest point it has been with the Inferno and Blurr in it now.

OK, Dave, I'll bite. What is a 10-meter Wizard, and how does it compare to a 10-M Brick?

You have all this GREAT plastic but how do WE get our hot little hands on it? Who is the nummero uno dealer of Gateway-Quest that will have all the new stuff in weights and colors.......Or when is the Quest AT going to be updated to show all the new stuff. I would have ALOT more Gateway if it were more available :D

Your best bet would be to call the Gateway shop directly. The # is 314-487-5204. Talk to Justin and he will set you up.

I know what you mean, but there are so many players out there asking us for discs like this one and disc like that one.
I would be happy to stop after a few more, but I think players are to used to being spoon fed, at least we are coming up with new performance enhancing ideas.
we have some really good stuff going on and disc will be easier than ever to throw with distance and control.

Can you imaging being a retailer thats trying to keep up with the web dev and maintain a healthy inventory?
Talk about head hurting :0 :confused: :confused: :confused:



Makes you wonder how they can make a living... :)

I am pretty set in stone on my bag, the discs I know I will add will be the teebird disc/ ontario roc like disc, and the beadless wizard. The blurr is in my bag, I am sure a more overstable inferno will be in there... hard to avoid some overlap now ;) I would love to throw every mold gateway makes like before you almost could, but now with all the new discs there is no way :) This is a good thing as a growth standpoint for your business however. Its great to be able to have something for everyone eventually and some great innovative ideas... It all takes time!

I agree the beadless wizard will most likely go in my bag as soon as I get some depending on to putt or drive with.

The teebird disc is going to have to be pretty sweet though I love the sabres for shots I see people throw a teebird.

Only roc I ever used were pro classic so the roc disc probably wont be in my bag.

I use a Blurr as an overstable Inferno right now so those 2 disc have my longest drives covered. If there is a shot I wont use them thats where the Sabre comes in.

I know there's a lot of work going on with all the new disc and I know there's people working on the site to get it updated. My question is are all the new disc going to be posted on it?

I thought Dave mentioned that the site was under re-design. If it isn't, perhaps it's a good time to consider it with all the new products coming out.

Travis - You have a PM.

Maybe we can catch each other in Houston over Thanksgiving.

I thought Dave mentioned that the site was under re-design. If it isn't, perhaps it's a good time to consider it with all the new products coming out.



I remeber him saying it but I was just curious on what all is going to be redesigned because if that wasn't being done I would help do it.

Justin, you can make a webiste for your outside sales.
I have several URLs you can use

Sounds good I'll get started on that during the Thanksgivng break. Can you send me the url's to my email and I'll get started on that.

I have started just that at TourDG.com

I plan on listing all the available discs I have, and whats available... I will have a lot of information when I get around to it up there.

The one thing I dont like currently is the Disc Flight rating system that is currently in place. It does not give players a really good understanding of what the disc will do for the average player... since they are all compared to each other... if that makes any sense?

I'm going to start on it tonight. For thanksgiving I'm going out to vegas but flying out there tomorrow. So I will have a lot of time to work on it I leave at 4 am so gives me something to do till then. I'm not able to check my email at school but if you sent the Urls thanks if not do you think you can get them to me tonight? I have someone who is going to help me with the site.


Also do you know if Justin sent the disc yet?

I was just on www.discgolfsweden.se (http://www.discgolfsweden.se) and they have profile for a few discs i've never heard of being release by gateway/quest (Wildfire midrange and Backbone midrange). Any info to give on these discs?

Uh oh, it's Des' agent.

Maybe the Swedes will give Des a signature disc, eh?? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The point of the whole post i made was that everyone knows she deserves her own disc even Innova. So whats the point of posting it over and over and over again. Its a dead issue and please leave it that way. But I would love to hear about the discs, Dave?

They are 2 one piece mid-range discs, utilizing some of the information and technology collected from the stable flight of the inferno. our new performance enhancing designs will now be incorporated into some mid-range discs.

The names you are reading are not yet carved in stone as the discs are not even made yet.
The pro-line version may be called the Bullet and Assassin!

thera re 2 other discs that are made and they are the raging infeno and the raging inferno DT. big BIG and a little overstable.

Do you have release dates for all these new discs?
Scorcher
Raging inferno
The Rage
Roc like disc
Teebird like disc

I am thinking that the raging inferno is the scorcher but I have no idea...

The Rage is already ran but not approved as far as I know, and If the raging inferno and raging inferno dt are being run right now I would say either next week or the week after?

Once again my best gueses on those discs.

I'm looking to set up a gateway bag but with all the new discs i don't know what does what any more. Can any one help?
My bag
2 174g Z Flick
3 174g Z Surge
1 174g Z Flash
4 177+ X Wasp
and all my upshots and putts right now i'm using black proto wizards.

Z-Flick = E-Spirit
Z-Surge = E-Illusion
Z-Flash = E-Inferno
X-Wasp = E-Element X

The spirits i love and use to throw often but i was leaning towards the rage whenever it comes out. The illusion's I've had are a litle too overstable at the end of there flight and i was thinking about either a scream or trying out a new blurr. The infernos I've owned (1st runs) just required to my height to keep in the bag (hoping the scorcher/raging inferno can replace it). As for the Element-X Justin sent me a couple of of red ones that just couldn't hold up in a wind. I was hoping the new roc like disc can remedy that gap for me.

Thanks for the quick reply Joe

I would have to say the new Blurr is out of the box is slightly less stable, and faster. Probably a little more comperable to the Surge than the Illusion. I absolutely love the Blurr and Rage. Both are a little quicker and less stable than thier counterparts the Illusion and Spirit. That combo of those four discs along with the Inferno, Sabre, and Blaze is a perfect lineup of drivers to compliment any kind of shot you would ever need to throw. The E-Element X is a perfect transition for anyone throwing a Z-Wasp and/or Champion Roc. And of course, we all know the Wizard is everyone's putter/approach of choice!!!

I would say the Blurr is what I would compare to a beat up wraith or surge.

Or maybe a Pro Wraith?

I would say the Blurr is what I would compare to a beat up wraith or surge.


I wish this was the case, are your blurrs flipping on you or something?

Or maybe a Pro Wraith?


If what you guys are saying is true than the Blurr is a pretyy succcessful new top for the illusion

Chase, which run of blurrs did you throw?

Dave I'm still throwing mine from the first runs and my orange is sweet. I got in beat perfect hyzer flips and flat to long hyzer shots. The pink one is a perfect long hyzer disc. Also I got my hands on a black inferno from Cary and I love these things are there any left in the shop?

Dave I'm still throwing mine from the first runs and my orange is sweet. I got in beat perfect hyzer flips and flat to long hyzer shots. The pink one is a perfect long hyzer disc. Also I got my hands on a black inferno from Cary and I love these things are there any left in the shop?


i'm sure there are some

Hows vegas

Its fun pretty much the same as it was while I was here last year. I got to play 2 rounds with Cary yesterday so that was pretty cool. We played 9 holes on this little short course with just our putters. I should have beat him but wasn't using my normal putter.

I got my order of disc on Friday and have some of the Blurrs sold out here so my dad is sending me them tomorrow.

Can you send me those Urls you were talking about too please.

Why do wish this was the case Dave? I think they are perfect just the way they are. The Inferno is alredy like a beat in Wraith anywho.

Chase, which run of blurrs did you throw?





I dont have a Blurr. I am throwing the Raging Inferno( both versions- ) this morning though, along with the E- DEMON.

I think I will be throwing the newest Blurr. Pat has a few different for me to try.

I would say the Blurr is what I would compare to a beat up wraith or surge.


I wish this was the case, are your blurrs flipping on you or something?


Dave:

They are definitely a bit understable now. The proto orange one is really flippy. I can just about roll it now. The pink one does a nice s-curve.

Well, I must have gotten a few of the more stable Blurrs. Because the 2 I am throwing are flying nicely into headwinds, and It was pretty brisk out there this weekend too. Steady 10-15 mph with gusts up to 20. I would compare it to a T-Rex. Bottom line is this disc is a perfect fit right between the Spirit and Inferno. Keep em' coming Dave!

I find that I need a disc in between the blurr and the inferno... the raging inferno seems like it will be what I want, the S illusion is working in that spot right now though

Hmm so what is going on with the: raging inferno, Scorcher, and the backbone. Seem like some sweet discs. I know one disc that I'm looking forward to is the beadless wizard, should be great for jump putts and low ceiling putts.

Beadless Wizard ( Magic???) should be ready by the 1st of december.

I have no idea about the prduction of the other 3 discs you mentioned!

Does back bone sound like a golf disc?

mm magic, those discs are on the questat.com website. They sound like good compliments to the inferno, and the backbone is a middie it seems.

Hmm so what is going on with the: raging inferno, Scorcher, and the backbone. Seem like some sweet discs. I know one disc that I'm looking forward to is the beadless wizard, should be great for jump putts and low ceiling putts.



You can buy the Scorcher, Raging Inferno and Raging Inferno DT on Quest AT�s website.

backbone is supposed to be a roclike mid-range disc.
Similar to a one pice version of the control driver.

So how will the backbone differ from the ElementX? Slower? More glide? The ELX already has tons of control, and I'm curious if the backbone would make it into my bag.

Well thats a great question and until I actually throw the discs wontreally be able to give an educated answer.
What looks good on paper still needs to be proven by mixing the polymers and molding the discs.
People would be ammazed of if they new how you could change the flight of a disc by any one of the floowing:
Temperature of plastic,
Temparature of mold.
Cooling time in mold.
Stacking of discs ( individually upside down or right side up, One on top of another upside down or right side up)
Presssure (-5 stages)
speed (2-5 stages)
Pack pressure:
pach hold time
Back pressure ( amount of resistance on barrell as it draws back) making the plastic more or less viscuss or dense.

The bigggest of all isPolymer blending;
I Could list and infinite unmber of combinations that could change the flight, but by now you get the picture.

It is impossible to make a clone of a disc just from another disc. If 2 molds were built identical and taken to 2 different molding shops, the chances of the discs being the same stabity would amost be alomst none!

i am really curious to see the plastic on the e-demon. i cant wait!

Jared,
Have you gotten any Blurrs yet?

I just ran about 200 E Rages, which is the new top for our high speed drivers, the Rgae is the Spirit wing with the new top and we still have the Speed demon DT wing that we may call the Blast-DT, not sure yet.
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We will proabably have a contest for the art for the rage, we already have something for the Blurr.

Anyway we will be sending in the Rage next week.
Let Justin know what you need?

Hey we have an event on Friday called the turkey toss, that should have about 20 pros if you want to come up and hang out you got a place to crash.
Actually there is an event called roller doubles in columbia so there could be a few events to play in!

I got my E demons and E rages today, I only got to throw them during a glow round and in a field. They both felt great... the plastic on the pink e demon I have is awesome!

Hi David,
how is it, are the Blurr, Raging Inferno and Raging Inferno DT already approved?

Now my question is with all these new discs being released... they do fly similar to older gateway discs that have been around a long time like the spirit... Whats the sense of the Rage if it flys pretty much like a spirit? Are these new discs going to revamp the Gateway line to give it a new boost or are all the discs still going to be produced?

I suppose its not different from what innova and discraft have been doing for years upon years but I figured I would ask the question.

no i havent got the blurrs in yet. i just asked justin for some. i wish i could come down. i can't on such short notice though. thank you for the offer. i have been tryin to get down there. i will one of these days.

Im killing the Raging Inferno. The first Infernos I got great distance out of, but felt they lacked in consistency, and needed to much room to work fully. The Pink Raging Inferno Im throwing is not only a better feeling plastic, but is also a more stable/ overstable version ( More than even the Black Infernos. ) that is possibly the FASTEST disc Ive ever thrown. It also needs half the room to get roughly the same distance, if you can get it to flip slightly.

Im also throwing some of the longest, most reliable 2-fingers in years.

Wow Chase that sounds exactly like what I have been looking for. I need to call the shop soon.

Everytime I get a new box, something new is already out! I cant keep up anymore.... I should just have Justin send me a box everytime something new is in stock! I will either get another box before the beadless wizards or just wait until the beadless wizards

Im killing the Raging Inferno. The first Infernos I got great distance out of, but felt they lacked in consistency, and needed to much room to work fully. The Pink Raging Inferno Im throwing is not only a better feeling plastic, but is also a more stable/ overstable version ( More than even the Black Infernos. ) that is possibly the FASTEST disc Ive ever thrown. It also needs half the room to get roughly the same distance, if you can get it to flip slightly.

Im also throwing some of the longest, most reliable 2-fingers in years.



WOW Chase that is a great review on the new pink discs, have you thrown the flatter softer Blurrs yet?


I agree, the new pink discs ( temporarily caled the Raging inferno)is a really REALLY controllable fast disc.
I got 3 of them to test fly and they all fly pretty different.
I take it yours is a lot more beefy compared to the inferno.



What discs of innovas would you campare it to or is it better than anything they have for speed, control and Distance? ( careful dave D might be watching :))

In my opinion the more overstable of the 3 pink discs is an improved version of the Illusion with a slightly smaller linear length of wing and less rim depth.
It seems closer in comparison to the Illusion and Blurr than inferno to me.
What do you think? Chase how much work have you given the new E Bluurs or E illusion in the past?

Hoepfully we will be changing the name before we start selling them as we have been waiting to release the Rage( the blurr top on the Spirit wing, that we ran about a month or so ago)

The combining of the names rage and inferno for a new disc, calling it the raging inferno is actually giving me a severe headache already and we have only made 20 of them so far!

What about the red discs with the REAL golf ball dimples on the wing??? Have you seen or thrown them yet?

As Pat said when he handed me the Pink version," Id compare it to a Teerex,"- ...and I also would agree...somewhat. It really depends on the Rex you were throwing. I threw Red, and they were way more beefy than some of the other colors.

I think it has the Speed of a Teerex, the control and distance of a Wraith. ( I throw the Wraith farther than the Teerex, even after the Teerex was beat in. )

I didnt mind the first Infernos, but didnt like the plastic at all. I like the more solid opaque looking plastic usaully used for Sabres and Blazes. The major differences, as I said before, are that there doesnt need to be as much space to achieve maximum distance- and its also extremely fast, faster than the original, faster probably than the Teerex. I like it alot, honest.

The Red golf dimple version, not as much. I threw it for a few days, it was decently similar to the Pink non-DT version, but for me, didnt "get out there" as fast and also had a tendency to flip to late in its flight. It wouldnt flip over, but I wasnt as accurate with it as the Pink version. Maybe Im not being as fair, as I really liked the pink plastic more. The Golf DT grip, I like that alot more than the Honeycomb grip, which has never felt right in my hand.

Still havent thrown the Blurr. Pats using a Pink one, but I dont really feel compelled to start using it. It seemed, to me, similar to an Orc in flight patterns, but I didnt throw it. Just watched Pat throw it about 50 times. ( Pretty much anytime he threw it, I threw the RI. )

Thats another thing I like about the RI, I can really feel free to get on top of this thing, and it hasnt yet flipped, even into a decent headwind on a 420 ft downhill hole. Both Pat and I expected it to flip and then glide back- Nope. It just held a huge line and hysered out at the end, the wind having little to no effect whatsoever. Thats pretty sweet.

Justin and I test flew the latest runs of the Rage, which is the new top of the Blurr on the Spirit wing.
This disc is not the RI, it is the new top of the blurr on Spirit wing!!

This is one fast disc with not much movement left or right in the flight, especially to the right and only falls left at the very end.
It has a long fast glide and is a faster cotrollable spirit that is less overstable.


We also threw the red w/dimples and the pink ones today as well.
Both Justin and I felt the red disc was a much better disc ( not even close)We may have a few funky Pink ones, they were a little hard to control, but the red w/dimples at 166 grams were money!!!.

Chase thanks for using the acronym RI for the red w/dimples and pink discs right now?
Hopefully we change the name of the discs. In my opinion it is much differnmt than an inferno and deserving of its own unique name, dont you think???

How about the Brick?

Is this a new putter?

30' and in?

I think the brick is still in the prototype stage.

This is one fast disc with not much movement left or right in the flight, especially to the right and only falls left at the very end.
It has a long fast glide and is a faster cotrollable spirit that is less overstable.




Sounds like it would fill the same spot in my bag as the SOLF, which is a very good thing (such a great flight path, control with distance)

Hey Dave,
I just helped Dumham's Sports open up a store here in Bowling Green and I've got my store manager talking to his higher ups about getting Gateway discs. They already have a pretty big spot for disc golf in their ball golf section. Nobody sells Gateway here in town so hopefuly they will be contacting you sometime soon.

Kevin

-btw I just took my first cash up in Louisville :cool:

Sounds good Kev and conragts on the cash in Louisville was it at otter creek or Iriquois?

Anyway, just let me know what all you need to get the storre set up.
If you can get me an email or contact person I can send him out a price list!!

Dave or other Gateway folk,
I was just wondering in your experiences how odd it is to crack an E disc?!?!
Had an E Element-X over Thanksgiving break almost split right in half...crack goes from one end of the rim almost all the way to the other rim with two smaller rips right by the crack on the center of the flight plate. It hit a tree probably 50 to 100 feet from the tee and made an odd noise and when I got up to the disc I couldn't believe it! Didn't think I was that strong and it wasn't even cold out!! Nor was it beat in all that much!!(at least I didn't think so!) Too bad it was one of my favorite discs... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
J

Send the discs back and we will send you 2 more to replace it.
I have never even herad of any E disc craking besides one run of black E wizards.

Dave,

I was experimenting with the blur you sent me earlier in the week, and I wanted to see if some gentle flexing would make it flatten out for me a bit quicker and my noodle arm. So I was throwing it out on the course, and EVERYTHING was turning right. If I threw it hard, I was rolling it. I thought it may be my form (I've got a strained back), so I let 3 other people throw it, and all of their throws turned and hit the ground rolling. I noticed that after flexing the disc no longer made the popping sound when I pressed down on both sides of the flight plate. So I'd assume that these things can't be flexed or it changes that "continuous dome" that you talk about. Any thoughts?

I have 2 Blurrs I have done minor flexing to. I'm not sure how much you did but the little that I did made mine pop out of the hyzers more. Hasn't flipped and rolled yet though I think when it does these will be good roller disc.

maybe too much then. Can you still get that poppy sound from your rim?

I think the brick is still in the prototype stage.




I have 2 of those Bricks. They are a trip, but I think they are discribed perfectly.

How are they working out for you? I've heard they were floppy but don't bounce off chains when you hit on the left side (right handed).

We also threw the red w/dimples and the pink ones today as well.
Both Justin and I felt the red disc was a much better disc ( not even close)We may have a few funky Pink ones, they were a little hard to control, but the red w/dimples at 166 grams were money!!!.

Chase thanks for using the acronym RI for the red w/dimples and pink discs right now?
Hopefully we change the name of the discs. In my opinion it is much differnmt than an inferno and deserving of its own unique name, dont you think???





I like the idea of the Raging Inferno, as I dont think they are a totally different disc.

I think they compliment each other in the same way a "L" or "X" version.

I mean this while speaking of all 3. The original Inferno, the RI, and the DT RI , for me all shared similar traits.

The Pink non-DT version is my favorite, as you can rip the hell out of it with no real concern of flipping it over. I have flipped the DT version. ( Which Pat has been bombing, but hes also throwing a 168 Vs. the 176 Im throwing. In another week, he will overtorque his, mine will be beat in perfect, thus adding another 30-50ft. in distance. )

I think you could rename it, but it would ( IMO ) be somewhat insulting to the original Inferno. Myself, I just thought of the "Raging" as a fancy way to say "X" or more stable/ overstable.

How are they working out for you? I've heard they were floppy but don't bounce off chains when you hit on the left side (right handed).



No, they are as described. I was using them to put around in the shop, there is no roll away, no tricky BS bounce, nothing. They hit and sit.

They are somewhat tricky to grip, if your not a fan-grip putter, but its nothing thats unmangable. Myself, I putt with a combo power/fan/ fork type of grip, so it took a few throws to get used to it.

Both I have are slightly different. One is stiffer farther out from the middle to the rim, one is soft from about the middle to the rim. Both work the same, slight hyser putt from 30, hit something ( Chains or basket or ground ) and thats it. They arent real exciting, but will save strokes. I used them for a round at Prospect Park in Moline, IL- almost all the baskets are on 45' angles- and they worked very well. Its really hard to make it go past 50ft. , unless your really trying to blow by the basket.

picture?

Ive got one also. I havent thrown it and doubt I really will. Its a very uncomfortable disc in my hand but its interesting enough that I'm glad I have it. Its basically the opposite of a normal disc- the rim is thin and the flight plate is thick.

Dave,

I was experimenting with the blur you sent me earlier in the week, and I wanted to see if some gentle flexing would make it flatten out for me a bit quicker and my noodle arm. So I was throwing it out on the course, and EVERYTHING was turning right. If I threw it hard, I was rolling it. I thought it may be my form (I've got a strained back), so I let 3 other people throw it, and all of their throws turned and hit the ground rolling. I noticed that after flexing the disc no longer made the popping sound when I pressed down on both sides of the flight plate. So I'd assume that these things can't be flexed or it changes that "continuous dome" that you talk about. Any thoughts?


Because the Blurr is only slighty understable it rally doesnt need much flexing it will break in nicely hust from a few trees or ground hits.
Maybe you shold try rilling the ones you over tweeked or even untweak them.
Look at the places it is bent down and bend it back up!

Can anyone tell me if they have spoken with Dave in the last 3 days?

I was trying to get his discs in my store, and he hasn't responded to my emails (I need the prices of some of the newer discs not yet on the price chart), and he didn't answer when I called him today.

Im hoping that he is okay and he's just busy, but if anyone has talked to him since Thursday, let me know. Thanks

-Brandon

I heard St. Louis is out of power since Thursday and just got it back today but that is just a rumor.


One thing I do want to say is I threw the Blurr and Rage today in about 15mph head winds and those disc made a big dfference a lot of peoples disc were flipping and I knew both of them would hyzer back. Another good disc for me was the Black Inferno had them bombing during the round and the final 6 skins.

what is the difference in the black inferno vs the white ones. i have a white one and i has started to flip on me to the point of no return. also anyone know when the beadless wizard will be available.

The black inferno is a little more stable and can take a few hits and still fly relatively straight. The white ones for me are too understable for me and after a few hits it will not come back and just turns over. The black ones seem to be better for me but I heard the red ones are just as beefy as the black ones if not more so.

If I were you then I would try a rage when it comes out in regular production. Ive heard these are going to money, wish I had one to try though.

If I were you then I would try a rage when it comes out in regular production. Ive heard these are going to money, wish I had one to try though.



You heard right. the Rage is all the Rage! :D

i'll put it on my christmas list.

I'm still hearing the beadless wizard will be out this month.

thanks

Im back in cyber world now!!
I didnt have a home phone, internet or cable for 4 days.

I did work on an ad for the next issue of dgwn and got it done, so it was sort of a blessing in disguise.

I will be answering emails,PMs and phone calls until I get cought back up.

The Beadless Wizard mold is done but there is no electricty at the factory.

We wi;l probably be waiting until the 1st to submit anymore discs as it will save us some money.
We hope to introduce at least 12 new discs from Gateway and I would think there willl be twice as many from Gateway-Quest!

The Beadless Wizard mold is done but there is no electricty at the factory.

Didn't pay the bill? :D

Didnt you read the posts above?
there were about 300,000 pople without electric here in st louis,
besides I dont oay the bill at the factory I lease space and equipment, but nice jab anyway :(

Is Gateway or Questat doing the beadless wizard?

I wasn't trying to be an *****...I was only kidding. :cool:

Your always an #$*&$!. :Dyou playing the Piney woods?

We hope to introduce at least 12 new discs from Gateway and I would think there willl be twice as many from Gateway-Quest!


Jeez...go Dave! :D


sleepy

Your always an #$*&$!. :Dyou playing the Piney woods?

I'm never a #$*&%!. :D.

Possibly, me and Jarred and trying to find a ride down there......Coda is going but he is going to San Antonio after the tournament so we can't go with him.

Justin,
we will be making the beadless here in St louis.
There will be a lot of new discs comng out from Gateway and Gateway-Quest, we are relaly starting to figure out a lot about what maes a disc fly straight and far.

what event are you and Jared going to this weekend?

what event are you and Jared going to this weekend?

Piney Woods Pro-Am III in Tyler Texas (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=5757) .....If we can find a ride that's where were going.

If Nikko wasnt messing around in school I would take him and pick you guys up on the way!

Thx Nikko!! :mad::cool::D

Can't wait for the beadless wizard then. The Rage and Blurr really helped me out this weekend along with the Inferno.

we have a ride down...and possibly back with coda now. i will call you in a little bit

Well find out of the ride back is 100%.

See you gus there. Anyone want to play dubs?

<~~~~~

i think that would be a really good team. i am assuming i am playing with coda

I figured you would hold coda's gonads in the double's :D....j/k

it's alright, it's better than carrying you around for 4 rounds in doubles..... :eek:

LOL......Burn............Hey now i think it was 51%~me and 49% you. :D:D

what one 2 holes??

Hey now.....Your a PRO.....I'm a JR .

who's a pro???? are you implying that i am a professional frisbee golfer..? :confused:

Yea!!!!!

You have cashed at a PRO Tournament 5 times!!!......I haven't

You guys should come through St Louis and come by the shop on your way to Wisonsin.
Mayne we will be making discs that day or we could play Centraiia!

I am leaving about 2 week's before Jarred to go to Wisconsin(AM World's).

Possibly the St Louis open next year.....Jarred was crushed because he couldn't go to the SLO this past year so I would Imagine that he will be eager to go this coming up year.

<~~~~~



I may be able to play but don't wait up on me as we may get there at like 4-4:30

Ah I see how it is, you were down to play some double's until I said I wanted to play and know your making excusses. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nope I am leaving school at 1:45 and mapquest says it takes 2.5 hours. Then again mapquest drives slow. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think were gonna leave about 10:30-11am so we will probably get there around 2pm.

Ok /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

you know its like 5 hours from here right??

are you serious :confused:

I thought it was like 3 1/2 hrs

you know its like 5 hours from here right??



Well then we will be showing up at the same time. :D

So who all is getting ice bowl Wizards and infernos?
ICe bowl season is coming and this year players can get Wizards and infernos with the cool 2007 Ice Bowl Stamp!!!

Ice bowl events are a great way to get media coverage for disc golf in your area,
Contact Rick@DGWN.com if you want to run an event or go to their site for information!!

i hope live oak gets some. i can't live without a wizard. in fact that would be a stipulation of a sponsorship. i would have to keep the wizard. :D

Dave I'll probably make an order for them this week.

We are stammping more Ice Bowl Wizards and Infernos today so people must be ordering them.

Ice bowl has been going on for quite a while, 1987 or 1988 I think.
If your club is not running one yet its not too late.
These events are casual and are a great way for clubs to gain exposure if promoted properly.
These events are meant to be low key, so clubs or people who have never ran an event before can get their feet wet (literally sometimes) and get some experiance as a tournament director.

So question... What new discs are available right now if I were to call Justin Tomorrow?

I have yet to even try the Raging inferno, raging inferno DT, 10m brick. or the scorcher...

How are the beadless wizards coming along? How long did it take to get power back everywhere?

[QUOTE]
So question... What new discs are available right now if I were to call Justin Tomorrow?


And just a breif note on what each one does....Love all the new discs Gateway/Quest......not really sure what to call you guys other than Awsome.

My bag becomes more Gateway every day :D

Throw what works! :cool:

Well we ran the bead less Wizard today.
It feels so sweeet in your hand as the bottom bead is so smoooth and the disc comes out of your hand very clean.
The stability of the discs is not exactly what we were looking for as it is not "UNderstable" but more DEAD STRAIGHT STABLE.
It is a little faster than the Wizard and it fades more like a broken in Wizard when new. It also fades at a differnt point when thrown very hard off the tee.
For the most part there is not much difference than the Wizard for shots less than 50 feet except it doesnt have the bead.
It will become a turnover disc a lot easier than a wizard because it does not have the bead.
We are going to call this disc the Warlock not the Magic and will work on the magic soon and it will be understable for sure.

There are a few things we can do to make the Magic understable and kepp all 3 feeling the same in your hand. This disc ( The Warlock) feels so sweet and flies so true I hate to not release it because it isnt understable.

I would think that the 3 together, Wizard, Warlock and Magic will compliment each other nicely.

Sounds good, I need to get some more plastic :)

I can't wait to see them

We are trying to decide what stamp to put on the Glow proto Warlocks. we are going to start an Art contest soon, but for now,,,,,
You guys have any suggestions on which of our current stampps to use?
Glow stamp?
Small arch?
Large arch?
Small Gateway prototype stamp?
G stamp?
Steal your face with dancing bears?
Jerry Garcia?
Frisbee Boy Incorporated?
A christamas stamp?
Just send them blank?

Hey Dave, is the Gateway web site down right now?

It keep's on telling me that the web site can't be found.?.

I guess so I just submitted a trouble ticket.
Did you need something answered?

I love the Small Arch Stamps :)

I'm calling the shop tomorrow for some discs!

Small Arch!!!

I guess so I just submitted a trouble ticket.
Did you need something answered?

I was trying to find out how to order 1 or 2 of those Warlock's.

G stamp!

big fan of either arch, but seeing as it is almost christmas, that would be a cool sstamp to run them on first.

Dave have you been getting my emails? I haven't heard back from you in a while and was just wondering how things have been going and if your getting my emails.

the G stamp or send them blank.

It appears that his email is down...I just tried to place an order and the emails to the office and to Dave both failed.

its because the website is down.

We are trying to decide what stamp to put on the Glow proto Warlocks. we are going to start an Art contest soon, but for now,,,,,
You guys have any suggestions on which of our current stampps to use?

Steal your face with dancing bears?
Jerry Garcia?


Yes, please! I think these stamps are especially fitting since the Dead were originally known as The Warlocks :D


sleepy

We are trying to decide what stamp to put on the Glow proto Warlocks. we are going to start an Art contest soon, but for now,,,,,
You guys have any suggestions on which of our current stampps to use?
Glow stamp?
Small arch?
Large arch?
Small Gateway prototype stamp?
G stamp?
Steal your face with dancing bears?
Jerry Garcia?
Frisbee Boy Incorporated?
A christamas stamp?
Just send them blank?



Small arch stamp!!! G stamp is cool too!!

Anybody know when the website/email will be back up?

Not a huge deal, but I had some things I wanted to tell him... =(

-Brandon

try me on my cell 314 303 1488

G stamp sounds cool

The website is back up and working for me.

Dave I called you a few times today and wasn't able to get in touch with you. I'm just wondering if you got my emails before the stuff with the site and your email went down. I worked with my art teacher for about an hour on the warlock and rage stamps. We came up with a lot of cool ideas but have to make them final to send to you.

Justin,
Wait until the contest starts to send the art but feel free to work on it

Sounds good I was also going to tell you that we are going to have the club going after Christmas. Don't know of anything else really going on got a few tournaments coming up I'll post about.


Do you want the artwork to only say rage and warlock or do you want designs what all are you looking for?

Way to get involved Justin. I knew I liked you the day I met you in Vegas. ;) :D

I just got 2 new gateway RAGEs man do they look and feel great its to dark to throw them but i cant wait. Has anyone thrown one yet?

I just got 2 new gateway RAGEs man do they look and feel great its to dark to throw them but i cant wait. Has anyone thrown one yet?



When I got mine I realy didn't think I would ever put them in my bag but well I was WRONG!!!!! They ended up taking over the spot of all but one of my Spirits. It is slightly faster then a Spirit and also less HHS as well a LSS. It will pop up and go straight when thrown hard and finishes left later then the Spirit.

I have 4 of them and love them. They hold a head wind good and have great glide I use them a lot with the blurr and inferno.

Ive been throwing the Rages for about a week now and they definitely are great discs...Very similar in feel to a spirit but a little less high speed stable and not as much low speed fade. You can get it to turn over easier than the spirit and it will hold that line...I like it alot...definitely going in the bag.

I hit basket for a two on a 850ft hole with one this weekend. Only one inch more and I had the 2. :D

What weights are you throwing Matt and Justin? Bunnell sent me 2 168g and I do like them, much more like a slightly beat in spirit but faster!

The one I am using is 175 and <font color="red"> RED </font> I think the peach ones are less stable. I have 3 more reds to use if I need them though. Next time I need some stuff it will be red Rages and Orange Blurrs. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I only have the stiff first ran blurrs and they are supposedly more overstable then the approved softer ones. Justin is sending me some of those. I should probably ask for some heavier Rages... the 168g ones I have seem to be just a tad more overstable than my Blurrs... I think mine are red but they might be the peach color cant remember.

Looks like gdstour is down again...

Yeah Justin sent me a proto Blurr (175g, looks like and orange pink mix) and man it was over stable. I've got more than 400 power but i couldn't get this thing out past 360. I'm hoping the production runs are more evenly stable. By the way is there any update on the T-bird and Roc like disc? One last thing can anyone tell me about the edge prototype?

Yeah Justin sent me a proto Blurr (175g, looks like and orange pink mix) and man it was over stable. I've got more than 400 power but i couldn't get this thing out past 360. I'm hoping the production runs are more evenly stable. By the way is there any update on the T-bird and Roc like disc? One last thing can anyone tell me about the edge prototype?



the Edge was the initial name for the Speed demon. Is Dave supposedly making a new disc with this name?

i saw a prototype on ebay that had that marking on the back. i was wondering about that myself.

I know when the speed demon first came out, it was called the edge.

I'm throwing a brown 168g that I use for shots I need more distance because it turns over on the anhyzer quicker. I also have a 175 red that I use a lot.

Thats it I have a brown one, how would you compare the brown to the red? Looks like I have to try some more out I think.

Im throwing the 168g Red Ones...they are
money

I order the Rage from Dynamic Discs (http://stores.ebay.com/Dynamic-Discs), is it approved, it is not in the approved list,... yet ?

Mark I can't really compare the brown to the red since one is 168g and one is 175g

can someone clarify?: how are the blurr/rage different from the inferno/raging inferno? is the blurr/rage like the spirit, mold wise?

The blurr is similar to the illusion, the rage similar to the spirit. Both the rage and blurr are less HSS and LSS than their counterparts.

The inferno/RI is a totally new type of wing. The inferno and RI are discs that can be thrown as far or farther than the blurr/rage with less power.

The blurr is similar to the illusion, the rage similar to the spirit. Both the rage and blurr are less HSS and LSS than their counterparts.

The inferno/RI is a totally new type of wing. The inferno and RI are discs that can be thrown as far or farther than the blurr/rage with less power.



Would that be considered a high speed mid-range disc ?

i was wanting to try a heavier inferno than the one i had before and remember there being a difference in the color. what is the difference in the black vs. the pink.

The blurr is similar to the illusion, the rage similar to the spirit. Both the rage and blurr are less HSS and LSS than their counterparts.

The inferno/RI is a totally new type of wing. The inferno and RI are discs that can be thrown as far or farther than the blurr/rage with less power.



Would that be considered a high speed mid-range disc ?



If I'm not mstaken the Rage are blurr are among the fastest discs that can be thrown and the linear length of the wing is the biggest of any discs besides the epic!
I wouldnt think this would qualify either for any of the mid-range categories, seeing as they are among the FASTEST discs on the market.
The Infeno, Raging inferno and Raging Inferno -DT are all in the same speed range. HIGH SPEED DRIVERS!!!!!
All 5 of these discs are at the top of the speed chart with each having differnt amounts of resitance to turn, glide and Low speed fade.

It would realy help the disc golf community to have a mechanical throwing device where you could vary a discs, trajectory, velocity and rotation.
These factors in a players throw deterimine the stability of each particular disc more than flight charts.
In our new website we hope to eventually have a flight chart for players with 200, 300 and 400 power, co they can get a more accurate assesment of what each disc will do for them!!

I just got a 175 with E inferno and it is really understable it flies like an SL is it supose to be like that? I have heard that the inferno is a pretty stable disc

Mine is understable, if thrown flat mine usually actually reminds me of a very slightly less understable sidewinder. My raging inferno actually flies closer to what I wanted my inferno to fly. For me the raging inferno goes straight most of the way with a very slight fade at the end. I may try to see how the Inferno will do as a roller (if the ground ever dries out).

This seems about right to me. Put more hyzer and height on it and it will definately bomb... I wouldnt really say that is really understable though... Then again I wouldnt say an SL is really understable either. If you can only throw one way I guess but if you can adapt to a disc to make it perform the way you want it to then its definately going to be versaitle...

Hey mark,
I will try calling again tomorrow!

BTW how did you get Raging Infernos and what color due you have?

Have you thrown the RI-DT yet.
Nikko and I rthrew some on Saturday.
There was a run of white RI-DT's that were as overstable as a Rage and a run of regular RI (orange and domey) that flipped right our of your hand?

I got in some RI RI DT scorchres and some bricks about a week ago from the quest guys I was pretty surprised with how fast the RI and RI DT were

Dave -

I work till 2pm today so anytime after would be fine if you do get around to it.

I just bought a bunch of gateway discs but i still cant seem to find the right disc for my main driver. I throw the inferno as roller disc. and a Blurr as a turnoverdisc. The rage is my distance hyzer disc i need a driver that flies like the element X what disc should i try? i really want something a little less stable then the rage.

I just bought a bunch of gateway discs but i still cant seem to find the right disc for my main driver. I throw the inferno as roller disc. and a Blurr as a turnoverdisc. The rage is my distance hyzer disc i need a driver that flies like the element X what disc should i try? i really want something a little less stable then the rage.



i think the sabre is the best driver gateway makes. especially the milky white ones those are money!

I have an E sabre and an H sabre i like them bolt but i can only throw the E sabre around 350. i need some thing with a little more distance

how does the scorcher compare to the inferno and raging inferno?

Whats the Difference between an Inferno and Raging Inferno?

The raging inferno is a more overstable version of the inferno, I have heard that its maybe alittle faster too... better in the wind with all the distance.