Like I said above, inside of 30', you should be able to putt with most any putter on the market. I would assume Nikko doesn't like the feeling of the bead, and likes the straighter flight out of the Magic. But remember that he played with the Wizard (Gateway's only putter) for a number of years, and shot lights out. Inside that distance, it's the Indian, not the arrow. Nikko could putt with a paper plate and make it 98% of the time if that's how the game was played.

You're almost a 1000 rated player though, so I'm sure you're aware of this.

The old "Its the archer not the arrow" thing,,,,,, right,,,,,,,,,,yeah,,,,,ok!

Ive been hearing this same thing said since the first time one of our sponsored guys won a tournament using Gateway discs, and while I'd admit the archer/arrow thing is partially true, its certainly not to the tune of 98%. ( not even for putting inside 30')

Different putters surely work better and go in more often than others depending on the players style. If the putter model wasn't that important people would be winning putting their mid-ranges and even drivers over the years,, but they havent and wont.

Most of the time,, it is a combination of the archer and arrow.
Most archers perform better with certain arrows, confidence in the arrow plays a big part especially in putting!

Amen. Its 90% mental, which Is why I put good with a magic, cause it feel thick and to me I have more confidence with the "thicker" feel cause it feels beefier, I just liek it in my hand, so since its feels good, I feel good and Im more confident to go harder at basket...confidence and brain go along way
So what E Warrior does Nikko throw, Do you throw???
Why?

and yes I would love a magic type with a bead on it.

well I really like the Magic for a thick flight plate feel in my hand, it feels so Solid. and the wieght seems to be in the rim and this seems to glide really well, it seems to stay in the air longer than other putters which equals making more putts from longer. I too putt in between a push and a flick, with little rotation, only what my hand produces as it lets go. so i like the glide of the magic. But i dont hyzer, i release flat so im worried about wind picking up with the magic, i would love the same type putter with a stability bead I think this combo would be better than the Wizard. I know u say the speeds are all the same, but i swear the Wizard seems to fly faster where the magic seems to glide longer. also my up shots with the magic have been flawless, it seems to float all day.

Hey Keith, I will be in Colorado Springs for 5 days from March 25 to the 28th. Any good courses in that town? Just wondering If I should pack the Discs.

Dave CHeck your In box :)


thanks

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For sure dude, Email me and I would love to meet up and play. Ill be in town Thurs, Im flying out Friday to Texas for Tx States, but maybe could meet thurs if you have time. And if no snow on ground yes good course. Look up Colorado Springs on PDGA the Cottonwood course is a inner city short, technical course, you could tear it up with mid-ranges...its good for practice course. Widefield is south and a pretty good course, lenth, technical and over all good length. Blac Forest is a little north and a Private course, but it is palyable for any PDGA members and its a tough, tough wooded and long course, so hard all the Am' sin town hate it LOL I love it. But might be hard to find if your not with a local and only great if snow not all over ground
email me if u can play: [email protected]

Yo Dave I would love to Test run any proto Magics with beads.....FYI ???

For sure dude, Email me and I would love to meet up and play. Ill be in town Thurs, Im flying out Friday to Texas for Tx States, but maybe could meet thurs if you have time. And if no snow on ground yes good course. Look up Colorado Springs on PDGA the Cottonwood course is a inner city short, technical course, you could tear it up with mid-ranges...its good for practice course. Widefield is south and a pretty good course, lenth, technical and over all good length. Blac Forest is a little north and a Private course, but it is palyable for any PDGA members and its a tough, tough wooded and long course, so hard all the Am' sin town hate it LOL I love it. But might be hard to find if your not with a local and only great if snow not all over ground
email me if u can play: [email protected]


Cool man, thanks for the info. I didn't think about snow on the ground:( living in the Carolinas causes one to forget such things.

Yo Dave, which Warrior in E do you throw, Why? which E Warrior does Nikko throw? why?

KV...don't worry about what they throw...everyone has a different delivery and prefer different plastics. Find a plastic that you like and learn to throw that plastic. You will play your best when you are comfortable with your own plastic.

Yo Dave, which Warrior in E do you throw, Why? which E Warrior does Nikko throw? why?


I have played a heck of a lot lately but it would be the S warriors with just a bit of dome.
overstable at first but break in to become straight flyers..

I'm not a big fan of E or anything to flexible,, I''m old school.
I do have pretty good success with a flexible E Sabre, but mostly use it for mid-rnage style shots and use a fan grip 100% of the time with that disc.
I have a firmer E Sabre that I use when I power grip.

Like Smokey says, lots of different discs, flexes weights polymers etc.., work better for certain players and even in certain weather conditions ( see Barry Schults archived interview of whats in the bag)
I try not to get too hung up on anything other than testing flying a disc and putting it in my bag if it works.. Color and weight dont even really matter that much,,, but I do prefer a nice durable S plastic in as many models as possible. ( I dont even know why I got away from S Sabres,, ,caught up in the hype I guess :(

We have a run of S Illusions that are some of the BEST performing long disctance drivers I have ever seen or thrown.

KV...don't worry about what they throw...everyone has a different delivery and prefer different plastics. Find a plastic that you like and learn to throw that plastic. You will play your best when you are comfortable with your own plastic.

Thanks man but I have a philosophy and It is working quite well. I find Top pros who throw similar styles to me and I study what they throw and Why? release points, hyzers , angles, wind cond....and then I judge by what I throw and see how styles and flights work. I have improved my short game tremendously by comparing with top pros....It makes perfect sense to me, Tiger Woods uses the best equip, So try it and see if It makes u better? Same with DG, Try what the top[ players are doping and see if u can incorporate it into your game??? Seriously I dare you to try or at least think about this. I have vastly improved my game by throwing g what the top guys throw ( with in reason) if it doesn�t work try something else.
But I see AM put 25 diff model disc in there bag and play and wonder why they never progress past Int level. I have reached 997 and hope to clear 1000+ this year and I play with fewer disc than most. It can and will save me 3 mnths of practicing If I find which Warrior Dave and Nikko throw and then go and see if that model works for me, rather than trying all models and comparing.....

I examine the Top players in our sport all the time, as they are the best at what we do and have more product knowedge and time throwing than we (normal) people do so they usually know plastic better than we do. So yes You can learn alot from a Pro.....their bag and what they throw (but obviously if they have a simialr throwing style)

Dave, The E warrior is a very under-rated disc. I was very impressed today. The E warrior is in my bag for solid hyzers and consistent mid-range shots when the wind kicks up to much for a roc or a buzzz. Where I was blown away in its performance was on S shots with control. Most over stable mids (wasp, drones, Q Sentinel) are great but they serve 1 purpose, they go left. I know u can beat them in but, they go left. Well today the wind was kicking and I could not throw my rocs and buzzz on the strait lines i needed, and there were trees that did not let a big hyzer warrior be the shot. But...but...the warrior could be thrown on the same line as my roc or buzz would be but with all the wind. I was amazed to see the Strait stability out oif my hand to get distance or an S shot and then a very predictable fade hyzer at low speed. It was way more controllable than I thought it would be in this scenario. The warrior is great over stable and can hold the wind, but its not just a left turner. It can be thrown flat or even S shots and still trust it to come out in wind. Great Disc and great shots for wind cond's. I Love the Stiff E Warrior, the ones that look like a Q Sent, . I would love to put these in the hands of some of my over stable throwin buddies, I think people would take to these very well. I don’t hear the Hype about them Like I think we would .....

wow The Med MAgic (red) ones are M O N E Y !!! keep'm coming seriously. They are stiff, grippy, and great glide, Im jammin with these...im very suprised at there capabilities. even for a fliipy (anny) putter the solid heavy rim makes the disc follow what line you putt with, meaning i have made some great hyzer putt lines with this magic (say to get a-round a tree or something). very amazed so far. I use soft for the cold days and Med for everything else.
And of course the E Warriors are wonderful for windy mid shots.
Question: i got a domey Demon Mid. I know most are domey any ways, but I got an extrememd omey one for the rest of mine, are they any differences in flight? More overstable? more glide? any one notice?
for long jump putts are peopel using Magic? Wiizard? or Warlock? Just wondering....

Contest 6:

Winner gets a set of 12 Gateway discs, a Gateway Tour bag, and a few other goodies Inculding some of the first RUN NINJAS ( value $300.00)



Pick the top 4 finishers in the 1st National Tour of the 2010 season at the Memorial In Pheonix.

1 entry per person:

To win you must pick the top 4 finishers in the correct order.

Please include the total score for all holes played as the tie breaker in case someone chooses the same 4 players.

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Good Luck!

Heres the Video of the winning PUTT last year at this tournament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGnxjPbtfs
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Fun.....

Dave, Do u produce any Stiff E demon disc? I like the S and the E I have are flimsy...

Dave, Do u produce any Stiff E demon disc? I like the S and the E I have are flimsy...
we like to use the term flexible :)

The Demon was produced in S plastic which was firm as was the E plastic. Most of the newer Demon's are either HPP or S plastic. They both should be available according to the shop inventory log.

we like to use the term flexible :)

Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American's, please.

(Maybe somebody will get the reference)

the dude abides...

haha i was getting a kick out of the stiff E line myself

well the one i got is flimsy...... perfect word for how it feels in my hand. I wanted a Stiff Evolution plastic Demon just like I enjoy the Stiff Evolution Warriors. Little to no flex and Im more consistant with releases.
Also if the Demons are stiff then I can skip around corners and play the skip on longer shots , with the "Flexible" ones the initial hit,or skip off the ground takes alot of velocity off the flight and I cant get the same distance...

the dude abides...

haha i was getting a kick out of the stiff E line myself

We are starting to sell a lot of Stiff E's, most dudes are giving them to their GF's

then send me a few Evolution Firm Demons please as I am in need......Ill send back the "flexible one"

I don't think that you are getting the joke here... ; )

with all the demand for the Stiff E's we may wind up releasing the penetrator in the Stiff E :)

yes I get the joke.....Im just not paying attention to it....Im 30 and I dont laugh at penis jokes..... but ya'll are cool go ahead.
I just want a :"Firm Evolution Demon"

I always get yelled at when my Stiff E skips away from the hole I am supposed to be playing.

(Sorry couldn't resist.)

Keith, remind me to let you throw one of my Scouts, it might be what you are looking for.

sweeet Ive heard of Scouts, but havent seen 1 or thrown 1 yet....cool
I think its Ironic that we 2 coloradians are going down to TX states, how unique...fun
see ya dude,
when do u want to hit up FortCollins...

Dave, I went to the 1 local park close to my house here in the springs, and on a tues it was overloaded with like 70 people playing.....just casual golfers. can you email me and send me docs to submit to city to get you to come build 2 more courses in city. we have about 5 great park locations that would be sweet. ill get the ball rolling, I would love for u to come design a couple of courses.

Id start by calling the park departments in your area,, get some contact names if theres interest then email them to me with as much information as possible.
Closing deals on course design and installation can take 1 month, 5 years or never.
it helps to be working with someone that has closed deals.
there are certain things that can be said or put in writing that can make it easier to allocate the funds.
Typically allocating the land in most parks is not the problem,, its the funds.
lots of parks departments have different philosophy on how they want their parks ran and developed, often there are 5, 10 and 20 year park plans in place, so areas you think would be great, might not even be an option.
Cutting to the chase with individual parks departments, is always best as you can dig into the project together,,, or move on to a more willing park department.

Thousands of new disc golf courses will go in over the next 10 years, hopefully that are designed and installed professionally. ( and preferably with Titan Pro-24's that are made in the good ole USA!)

Also being willing to pay for or part of the course equipment yourself or the club raise money for it will get things accomplished much quicker. If not, you are basically going in and asking the park to allocate lots of land and to pay for your hobby.

Be prepaired with multiple documentation on the benefits of installing a disc golf course, how it will bring people to the park, how many people it will bring, the benefit to the surrounding neighborhoods, cost per hole (basket, sign, teepad, bench, garbage can, etc. - make sure to account for everything), cost for kiosk/front sign, etc.

When going in, approach the park director or committee with a very humble attitude and be very thankful for them taking their time to meet with you. Do not go in expecting them to agree with anything you have to offer. They are in a very difficult position of trying to make the park the best park for the greatest amount of people and disc golf may or may not be in their plans.

Good luck.

Dave, wondering how the new Scout midrange is coming. Will this be more Buzzz like??

Dave, wondering how the new Scout midrange is coming. Will this be more Buzzz like??

The retooled Element isn't Buzzz enough for you? Why not just throw a Buzzz?

i do i throw a Buzz, then i have a swett E Warrior that I throw if too much wind for Buzz, it works great.

Hyzer Flip is the shot I want to add this year.
I should have a few Sabres and Elements in the basement to practice with.
It will be interesting to see if it will add some distance also.
Towards the end of last year I played a course that highlighted what was missing from my game.

That is all, continue on :)

The retooled Element isn't Buzzz enough for you? Why not just throw a Buzzz?
Maybe becauses hes posting on the "ask david mac" thread :), But I agree the retooled element is pretty buzz like. The thing is just like a lot of discs made,,,,, Ive seen 5 very distinct different stabilities of BUZZZ,,, and the ones people are after cost like $40,,,, maybe thats why?
It will certainly be between the element and Warrior,,, so the answer would be
" I think it will be???"

Hyzer Flip is the shot I want to add this year.
I should have a few Sabres and Elements in the basement to practice with.
It will be interesting to see if it will add some distance also.
Towards the end of last year I played a course that highlighted what was missing from my game.

That is all, continue on :)

Hyzer flip = Leopard!

i like the element, but I dont hyzer flip, i throw real flat, So I love the warrior as it compliments my buzzz real well. The element has great glide and i love the feel of the disc, but for my shot it is way to under-stable, if there was a disc between the element and warrior i could get rid of my buzzz.....I like the overstable buzzz that beat in to real strait...

Hyzer flip = Leopard!

I couldnt agree more. probly the best, i have a CE Leapord (old school) and it stays in my bag for the occasional perfect anny line, and after 12 years its still stable, wow what a disc

The retooled Element isn't Buzzz enough for you? Why not just throw a Buzzz?

I do throw a Z Buzzz and a Z Buzzz SS, and I love them, but I'm just curious on how they intend to make the new Scout fly.

If it is indeed very Buzzz-ish then I want to test it out and see how the two compare, and see if the Scout will replace the Buzzz.

I do throw a Z Buzzz and a Z Buzzz SS, and I love them, but I'm just curious on how they intend to make the new Scout fly.

If it is indeed very Buzzz-ish then I want to test it out and see how the two compare, and see if the Scout will replace the Buzzz.

mee Too, would love to test out

the ones people are after cost like $40

From what Mike (Discspeed) on DGR tells me, the new Glow Buzzes fly like those storied $40 first runs.

Why do you feel that you need another midrange? Do you think there's a gap in your lineup between the Element and Warrior?

well the new elements are striat but mostly anny disc, they are pretty flippy, and the warrior is great, and its overstable so yes, i would say we could all benefit from a omre stable elemnt, less stable warrior, to go in between

Correct me if I am wrong Macdiddy,
Aren't the scouts the proto demons from way back when? Or was that the Hatchet? One of them were the proto demons and the other were proto speed demons I believe.

If you all are looking for a mid inbetween the warrior and the element go get the old element-x. fits perfectly in my lineup. I use the "unicorn" clear E element X for straight and stable, and a creamy solid E elementx for the late flips and pure annies. If I ever wear these out I have some warriors to try

Scouts were Demons in H plastic. The Hatchet was the Demon Proto and the Edga was the speed Demon proto

Correct me if I am wrong Macdiddy,
Aren't the scouts the proto demons from way back when? Or was that the Hatchet? One of them were the proto demons and the other were proto speed demons I believe.

If you all are looking for a mid inbetween the warrior and the element go get the old element-x. fits perfectly in my lineup. I use the "unicorn" clear E element X for straight and stable, and a creamy solid E elementx for the late flips and pure annies. If I ever wear these out I have some warriors to try

The "NEW" Scout will basically fly with the stability of an Element-X ( the name Element-X) was very difficult to sell as customers thought they were X-outs! It will have a nose radius between the element and warrior,, not as flat ( or blunt) as the original ELX.
Square noses are not the best aerodynamics for turnover shots as it takes away from the lift, effecting the wind flow ( deflection) up and over the top and down the trailing edge of the disc. Element X was a great slight hyzer discs and flat flyer, but didn't perform so well when turned over. ( when throw low, it would dive to the ground).
The "SCOUT" will fill in the gap between the Element and Warrior nicely

The Scout was an H demon and we only used the name for a few years. We never really tried to market that disc, plus its been like 7 years since we used that name anyway.
I like the name and feel it fits the description of the disc ( names are getting hard to come by, recycling them, is not uncommon,, innova had a lot of success with the Eagle :) the 2nd time around).

We really want to release the Ninja before the Scout, but may have both at BG ams!

So you will be at Bowling Green Dave? Oh man, there goes my wad of cash I'm bringing. I feel like I'm walking in a Casino when I go to BG and the players party. All the money I'm bringing is going right back to plastic! I've saved more for discs than I have to spend on the entire trip. (room/food/gas/entry fee) I need to go into Disc Golfaholics Anonymous! HA that's the DGA!

The old Element was slightly less stable than the re-tooled version. I carry one of each in my bag. If you want a longer hyzer flip disc try the Assassin or Sabre. The Warrior is beefy. I still use the ELX for most mid-range shots because I can power it up and keep it straight. I prefer the flexible materials because I am more comfortable throwing it....the flight isn't affected much by the flex of the disc. For touch shots and short range turnover or putts try the Magic...the SSS are money for nice touch shots.

i agree i have and can throw the Magics on some sick anny lines. and far too they carry great, they almost take over my mids for annys i can throw them so well

KV, see if you can get your hands on a Pink E Warriors "Beat" The non translucent e plastic has more glide for me and is less high speed stable. I am using that disc for the shot you are describing.

sweet i have 2 of them, im waitng for my warrior to break in before i used it, bit now i will go ahead and try it.

Dave, I picked up one of the clear e spirits after the c tier at sioux passage today and was wondering what all molds you make in the new plastic. This is a lighter spirit, 168 if i recall, and if really nice and gummy. I tossed it a few times and was looking for a super stable forehand disc, something I could throw out on an anhyzer and get a nice long s line on it. This definitely seems to be the disc I was needing. I had one of the dimpled speed demons a few years ago that I used for this same type of shot, but eventually it beat in enough where it wouldn't flex out of its anhyzer till the very end. Have speed demons been run in this plastic, or are there any plans on running them in the new suff? I also had a few blurs that were in a really gummy material, the flight plates almost had a kind of trampoline feel to them...are there any of those floating around still?

The clear gummy plastic is called HPP. Gateway makes the Apache, Blaze, Demon, Element, Illusion, Magic, Sabre, Savage, Speed Demon, Spirit, Voodoo, Warlock, Warrior, and Wizard in the HPP plastic. Currently the Illusion and Savage are out of stock. Stop by the shop to see what is in stock.

I was trying out an apache today was really happy with the flight. I even busted through some chains for almost my first ace. But the real surprise of the night was throwing an HPP element that I had gotten last summer and only threw a couple of times because I'm a Buzzz thrower normaly. WOW! The glide was more than I remember and I was throwing shots that my Buzzz doesn't usually do. I either really improved in one day or this disc is a workhorse.

The Element is a really nice understable mid-range. It has great glide and control and allows you to throw a controllable turnover without much effort. It is the work horse of my mid-ranges.

Dave,

The Glow Warlocks and Voodoos turned out very nicely. They complete the set, along with the Glow Wizards and Magics...

Like the Glow Magics so much - kicked the Aviars out of the bag...

Others can see the hotstamps at www.discgolfclub.org/proshop

Thanks again.

trotter
vp sdgc
discgolfclub.org

Any word on these yet?

Looks like the end of July or beginning of August before these hit the shelves.

Any news about the Ninja?

Kjell, the Ninja was pushed back. Looks like they will be out by August....crosses fingers...lol.

Kjell, the Ninja was pushed back. Looks like they will be out by August....crosses fingers...lol.


bummer :(

Kjell, the Ninja was pushed back. Looks like they will be out by August....crosses fingers...lol.

What would cause a frisbee to get pushed back? Other than inconsistent flights, I see no reason to prolong a frisbee design over months. If however, it is inconsistent flight patterns, it might just be the plastic. Isn't GDS notorious for this?

All disc companies are notorious for inconsistency in their plastic.

What would cause a frisbee to get pushed back? Other than inconsistent flights, I see no reason to prolong a frisbee design over months. If however, it is inconsistent flight patterns, it might just be the plastic. Isn't GDS notorious for this?

I saw some protos at BG Ams and the disc wasnt molding right at all. I think it has something to do with the huge wing and thin flight plate.

I'm guessing the issue lies in the actual injection molding machine and how well it melts and injects the plastic into the wing section. Different plastics have different melting temps and different viscosities this translates into different issues as the plastic is injected into the mold. With the wide thick wing you need to make sure you can control the amount of plastic in the wing and the flight plate and this is extremely difficult as evidenced by the issues that Innova had with consistency when they released the Boss.

I'm guessing Dave is experimenting with different temps, plastics, and injection pressures to make sure he can release a consistant performing disc. It is very easy to release a poorly designed disc, but it takes commitment to get it right.

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I'm guessing Dave is experimenting with different temps, plastics, and injection pressures to make sure he can release a consistant performing disc. It is very easy to release a poorly designed disc, but it takes commitment to get it right.[/QUOTE]

thats probably a pretty fair guess. Experimenting takes time and time will get it right!

After speaking with Dave it sounds like the Ninja will definitely fall between a Boss and a Katana...or Nuke...lol...so needless to say.....it will BOMB!!!

I should have some in the mail today.... keeping my fingers crossed!

After speaking with Dave it sounds like the Ninja will definitely fall between a Boss and a Katana...or Nuke...lol...so needless to say.....it will BOMB!!!

We are finally getting through the first production run of the Ninja after several months of tooling and polymer prototyping.
It takes quite a bit of work to get a disc this fast with this long of wing to fly stable and we think we've done it!
The NINJA is a very High Speed Max Distance Driver with lots of glide and is one of the longest flying discs ever made.
It is a long winged slightly under stable driver at high speeds with a smooth continuous dome and relatively low profile.
Needless to say its extremely fast and has lots of glide and carry!

We are using a rough finish on the leading edge of the mold (Surface technology) to reduce drag and increase lift.
By using drag reducing technology on the discs you will maintain your initial launch velocity through out most of the flight. Combine the surface technology with the massively gyroscopic wing, (which will allow the disc to spin longer) and you have the formula for some REALLY REALLY long throws.

The NINJA is a perfectly stable flying disc at 300-350 feet.
The 2.8CM wing is the longest on the market (apparently too long for PDGA play) so the NINJA will not be approved for PDGA play.
Our goal with the NINJA was to make the longest flying disc.
A disc that will give players with 300 distance a chance to throw 400 feet.
BOOOOOYAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Down the road we will produce some lighter weight versions in more of an S or pro line plastic that should help players that only have 200-250 distance achieve throws of over 300 feet.



This FIRST RUN of NINJAS is in a translucent Evolution Plastic (the flexible Nike plastic blended with a much stiffer Urethane) and has a nice tacky feel, a fairly firm rim and moderately flexible flight plate.
Lots of bright colors including Pink, Orange, Yellow, White and Blue.
Weight range is from 174g-184g.
Since the disc is not intended for pdga play we can run them as heavy as we like.
Because of the geometry of the disc ( long wing - thin flight plate) a 184 gram Ninja doesnt feel or fly much different than 174g.
My longest throw (548 feet) was with a pink 181g) 2 weekends ago at Crystal lake course just north of Chicago.

I should have some in the mail today.... keeping my fingers crossed!

Never Mind... maybe next week :)

Dang...well there goes that idea..lol...ok Dave change the edge configuration...cut 0.2cm off the outside edge, round the leading edge to gain some lift properties, and release it as something else...so that we can use it in a sanctioned event.

I don't get why a golf disc would be made that intentionally violates the 2.6cm PDGA wing rule. Was it a mistake? Does the plastic expand too much when cooling or something?

If I want to throw really long and not use a PDGA sanctioned disc, I'll just grab an Aerobie Ring.

Because the disc still looks like a regular disc...the Aerobie has many other non-conforming properties and it is a ring not a disc...lol....just get one and BOMB it Lyle....I know it has to go far up there in Spokompton.

I don't get why a golf disc would be made that intentionally violates the 2.6cm PDGA wing rule. Was it a mistake? Does the plastic expand too much when cooling or something?

If I want to throw really long and not use a PDGA sanctioned disc, I'll just grab an Aerobie Ring.

Because it will be fun to throw! cant that be enough?

Dave, I have to hand it too you.

Someone is starting to cater to the crowd of disc golfers who are not interested in Sanctioned play.

Sure, this disc will cause some confusion, as some players will not know its not PDGA legal and attempt or even use in a tournament, but i know a large group of players who are just out to have fun.

This disc will go over well with those players.

Dave, I have to hand it too you.

Someone is starting to cater to the crowd of disc golfers who are not interested in Sanctioned play.

Sure, this disc will cause some confusion, as some players will not know its not PDGA legal and attempt or even use in a tournament, but i know a large group of players who are just out to have fun.

This disc will go over well with those players.


there ya go! well said!

When will these be released to the public? Better yet, How do i get my hands on one now? :-)

When will these be released to the public? Better yet, How do i get my hands on one now? :-)



Call the shop 314 487 5204

Dave, I have to hand it too you.

Someone is starting to cater to the crowd of disc golfers who are not interested in Sanctioned play.

Sure, this disc will cause some confusion, as some players will not know its not PDGA legal and attempt or even use in a tournament, but i know a large group of players who are just out to have fun.

This disc will go over well with those players.

+1

F the naysayers!

Bet $20 that with in the next 5 years this disc will conform to the PDGA tech standards. :)

Any one want to take the over/under? :)

-Chris

+1

F the naysayers!

Bet $20 that with in the next 5 years this disc will conform to the PDGA tech standards. :)

Any one want to take the over/under? :)

-Chris


Lol, I agree but I think it will be sooner.

Lol, I agree but I think it will be sooner.
I'd probably take the over. I'm thinking those on the tech standards committee will be there for a while and since the rule just got changed it will probably be in place for a while,,maybe forever.

I personally feel the pdga rule of 2.6 cm wing length is about where it should be for the HIGHEST LEVEL of PDGA competition. Longer winged discs WILL fly farther and the top players are already throwing too far for most courses.


The Ninja isn't going top help a guy much that can already throw 400, it is meant for players who can control a disc for 300 but would like to see their discs fly 400.
I have already witnessed several Recreational players throw their longest ever throws with a NINJA, ( one on his very first throw).
While the wing is wide it seems to fit some players hands perfectly,,,even those with smaller hands.
An ideal release speed for this disc is about 45 - 50 mph.
It is an under stable disc at higher speeds and would need to be released with Hyzer for Those who can throw 50+ mph (over 400 feet). It is not recommended for throws into the wind unless you can throw with a Hyzer nose up release.

LOL.....so what you are really trying to say is that if I want to throw it 600ft. I need to start my release nearly upside down....lol

I love the Ninja for what I do here in Jacksonville NC. The Camp LeJeune main gate is less then a mile from our course. Most of the casual play is from Marines who come out after work to get away from military life. They are all in great athletic shape and love the fact that their athleticism helps them throw discs with some success. The common question I get is " How do you throw so far"?
Because of the Ninja I don't have to go onto all the details that enable me to reach holes. I can put this disc in their hands tell them to throw it flat and the disc does the work for them! Its great! It reminds me why I play this game in the first place. They don't care about the PDGA or anything that has to do with the rules of the game. They just want some thing that will help them reach the pin with out having to pour so much time into learning the game. The Ninja will do that for them better than any other disc i have thrown- thanks Dave for making a great disc!

So this thing isn't PDGA Legal why produce it. I know some of you said for casual players, but why would we want that any way. Sounds like a waste of time and effort not to mention money devolping aq disc that can't be used in events.

So this thing isn't PDGA Legal why produce it. I know some of you said for casual players, but why would we want that any way. Sounds like a waste of time and effort not to mention money devolping aq disc that can't be used in events.


We have a guy here in our club we call uncle carl. He has been playing for 20 years. He NEVER plays pdga tournaments. I put this disc in his hands and he threw it 420 to 430 ft. This is the first time he has ever thrown that far. I know more casual golfers than PDGA golfers, so this will serve them well!

We have a guy here in our club we call uncle carl. He has been playing for 20 years. He NEVER plays pdga tournaments. I put this disc in his hands and he threw it 420 to 430 ft. This is the first time he has ever thrown that far. I know more casual golfers than PDGA golfers, so this will serve them well!

It's tough for most people to see without the pdga blinders on. I think they assume that most of disc sales are to tournament players.

On this forum everyone is a PDGA member....but out here in Montana we may have about 20-30 active PDGA members and probably 10,000 players who just want to play casually and they don't care if their discs are PDGA Certified. If it works and makes them happy that is all they care about.

On this forum everyone is a PDGA member....but out here in Montana we may have about 20-30 active PDGA members and probably 10,000 players who just want to play casually and they don't care if their discs are PDGA Certified. If it works and makes them happy that is all they care about.

I came up with a figure of 3% as the total for all disc sales in St louis ( including innova and discreaft) that are going to club events and leagues, pdga and southern national tourneys (this is allotting for each player to buy or prize out 25 discs each per year).

There are over 50 retail outlets for discs in the St Louis Area, so we have a really good sampling to go by.


BTW,
We will be running some light weight Ninjas in a new polymer ( A high end clear S) next week sometime. We also have 2 other tops we can use for the NInja ( one less stable and one more overstable) we can run if we want to.

Dave,

Do you know if the PIAS in Carrollton TX has been shipped any Ninjas yet?

Pias in Carrolton,
TX did receive some ninjas.

Disc 'n Dat in Florence, Ky and at www.discndatonline.com has the Ninjas. Stop by and pick one up.

Dave,
I was wondering what Gateways affiliation with Nike is? A friend thinks they own Gateway and someone else said they they supply some plastic for Gateway, so i just want to know for sure what the tie is here. Thanks,
-Jesse

Nike produced some of their shoes here in Weldon Springs, MO. Gateway uses surplus plastic pellets purchased from the Nike Shoe Company. It makes it affordable to buy high quality plastic and use it in discs.

For the last two weeks we have been producing a large run of new plastic. Extremely vibrant colors and the E line is slightly more grippy!!!

Sorry Ive been away for so long, its been a really big year for us trying to stay caught up on production, while designing and installing courses.
Just put in a nice 18 hole course in Albany Georgia last week that should have at least 9 holes open soon, while the grass comes up on the back 9.

At the shop we are:
Just getting another press hooked up and some auxiliary equipment..

We have several prototypes that we had to put on hold and just getting back to work on this week. We hope to have something ready soon, maybe even another art contest.

The first tooling of the Scout ( the new mid-range between the element and Warrior) was a bit too much like the Warrior for me, the second tooling had too thick of a flight plate to get the weight down even in straight S, but the 190 gram S versions had an unbelievable glide. I have always thought a really thick flight plated mid-range would be good for new players and it is certainly something that has sparked my interest since throwing these.

We also have flat topped, shorter winged driver similar to a valk that we are designing that should fill in a few gaps in the line up for 2011. Once we have this mold we will be able to make a lot more beginner friendly drivers, some understable stuff for sure!! ;)

Then theres just the crazy mad scientist stuff like a Demon top on the Ninja wing (can anyone say Devil hawk) and the demon top on the Apache wing, 2 HYZER BOMB discs for those into that.

We still havent shot the Ninja top on the Sabre, but we did run about 400 prototypes using the Ninja top on the Apache that Nikko is considering for one of his 3 signature series discs.

Theres a 24 cm catch disc we are going to make over the winter, that we will use to bring back the Midnight flyer type disc, using lots of glow in a golf weight catch disc,, should be fun to start working on that one.

The Bulls EYE is long overdue, just cant seem to find the time to get all of this stuff in production and to the market. Lots of new courses in the works too,,,,, , may even need to hire an installation crew soon, to travel around installing courses.

oh Yeah,,,
Ozark Mountain Fall Harvest will be on the 23rd and 24th of October.
Camping, Partying and of course 2 rounds of 18 on the Hardest Disc golf course in the world. This year the course will get even harder as I have plans to back up tee 2, 3, 5 and 11 a bit, as well as add some OB RED paint where the creeks usually run in the spring on 5,6,7, 12 and 13. Course par will stay at 72 but I dont expect any Nikko big rounds of 60 ever again :(

......Theres a 24 cm catch disc we are going to make over the winter, that we will use to bring back the Midnight flyer type disc, using lots of glow in a golf weight catch disc,, should be fun to start working on that one.


Yes, yes , yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Please and Thank you! maybe it will pass for superclass? Let me know if you need help testing those bad boys out. Ha imagine a giant wizard,.......drooler

Does the shop have any of those Ninja/Apache hybrid prototypes left??

Edited: Happy now Futhur??

There are none. Re-read Dave's post again.

Not sure where it says theres no Ninja top / Apache wing prototypes, but theres a few hundred at the shop.
Theres also some Demon top / Ninja wing protos as well as a few other new discs we have in the works.

Theres so much new course action going on that I have had zero time to get any of these new discs to market, but I dont mind sending out some for test flying to get some feedback.

I'll send out a small box of protos for free to the next 5 players who email me at [email protected]
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Please include your name and address for shipping.

btw,
Ozark Fall Harvest is this weekend and the course is looking SWEET!!!!!!

Wow that didnt take long<<
we will send out the 5 sets of protos for testing within a day or 2.

check back soon,,,,,,,i'll do it again.

Can you list who you are sending them to .

Hopefully I was one of the lucky ones!!!!

David Poe

Jason Schwake

Chris Timko

Erick simonds

Bryan Gort was the 5th at ( 11:19)

Sweet! Thanks, Dave.

Mmmm...just spent a few hours messing around with one of our prototypes. It needs a few slight adjustments to the wing to make it a premium understable driver....I'll see what we can get done this week.

just got my box of protos! There is some interesting stuff in there. Thanks, Dave

Open First Round Second Round Total
Nikko Locastro 61 65 126
Brad Williams 74 66 140
Justin Bunnell 74 70 144
Brian Johnson. 71 76 147
Doug Bickell 76 76 152
Aaron Walther 77 76 153
Tim Lewis 74 80 154
Chris Albanese 80 75 155
Tom Murdick 79 76 155
Greg doh 78 77 155
David McCormack 77 78 155
John Ruvalcaba "Robo" 76 80 156
Steve Vogler 78 79 157
Ryan Gorman 80 79 159
Jerry Barkalge 84 76 160
Jay Baird 84 77 161
Roger Reyes 81 83 164
Matt. Augustine 81 93 174

Advance Masters First Round Second Round Total
Ron Robertson 84 86 170
Gary Suarez 90 83 173
Mike Stephens 92 85 177

Advance First Round Second Round Total
Bender 78 78 156
Brian Earhart 81 77 158
Aaron Henson 88 84 172
Roman Korol 91 82 173
Jeff Mclusky 84 89 173
Damon Galmiche 92 86 178
Shaun Boley 92 92 184
Caleb Spinks 101 84 185
Josh Henson 95 92 187
Chris Moore 106

REC First Round Second Round Total
Ozzy 82 81 163
Dan Fritz 90 89 179
Tyler Lueck 95 90 185
Jason Newhous 92 96 188
Brad blumenberg 98 94 192
Tom Reyes 99 96 195
Andy Roden 96 99 195
Greg VanHorn 93 102 195
Ben Galmache 111 99 210
Jeff Shannon 104
Joe Shannon 109

Dave, I got my box of protos as well. What is that light pink thing? The rim has some sort of protrusion in it.

The Demon top disc is huge. It's going to take some tinkering to get the grip right I think. The Apache bottom disc is really sweet, as is the midrange. I'll try to get some tosses with these this weeked.

I'm guessing you got a lightweight re-tooled Blurr. We retooled the top. It flies similar to the Illusion.

It looks like a blur top, but the bottom has a hump in the middle.

It looks like a blur top, but the bottom has a hump in the middle.
Its a speed demon wing and newly retooled Blur/rage top.
I was running them pretty fast to get them to dome up a bit and it also caused some to puff out in the wing. Its a pretty stable and controllable discs for only being like 130 grams.

Any chance of an Assassin-X?

Assassin X??? The ones you have are stable compared to the First Run version...lol.
The Apache would be close to an Assassin X.

That orange one is straight. The red one is a little understable.

Yeah....that is how those colors come out...the yellow is even more overstable.

Our Most recent runs of putters are available through the 2011 Ice bowl.
Contact Rick at Disc Golf World or visit the website for more information at :
http://gdstour.com/blog/2010/11/30/ice-bowl-2011/

And the SSS putters feel really nice with the Ice Bowl stamp....very flexible and great grip.

Dave

Do you have any patent pending Super Soft Wizards still around? Circle logo and no patent on back side of disc.
Thanks and let me know

Ryan

Dave

Do you have any patent pending Super Soft Wizards still around? Circle logo and no patent on back side of disc.
Thanks and let me know

Ryan
We dont have any that are up to weight at the shop, there may be a few 165-168g.

Is there something particular about the discs you are looking for besides the engraving?


btw,
Nikko may have some,,, try emailing him [email protected]

I have some rare collector discs on ebay,,,Original innova eagle from 1984 and Patent pending Aerros from 1985:
www.gatewaydiscgolfdirect.com

hay Dave, how does the new speed demon mold in HPP fly compared to the spirit and original speed demon? faster and less overstable than the spirit? still mad overstable?
thx

hay Dave, how does the new speed demon mold in HPP fly compared to the spirit and original speed demon? faster and less overstable than the spirit? still mad overstable?
thx

Not as nearly as overstable as a Spirit now,,,, probably closer to a Firebird in Stability but of course considerably faster.
The wing is flatter and has a texture both of these combined allow the air to travle over it quicker.

While I'm here we have had a few special runs of putters lately:
Its winter and while waiting on a few shipments of polymers to come in I decided to do some special runs of putters.

First we ran several different runs of BLACK WIZARDS ( some bottom stamped) in SS and SSS and a few runs that fell in between. ( probably around 800 Black Wizards all together).

We dont run black all the time because it takes so long for the black color to get fully out of the mold, so this will probably be it for a while.

We still have OG wizards and Magics in Black and Grey, but the future production runs of OG will wind of being Green and shades of Bue/Green



There's also a run of GREEN Wizards with the $$$ stamp that are really similar a run we produced a few years ago with he same logo that were blue or white.

Last and not least is a very small run of dark Blue 4-S ( Super Stupid Silly Soft). I know some players really like flexible putters but is ectremely hard to get a SSSS run without the tops warping.

This run has a little ripple in the flight plate because the are so flexible but if you like something softer then SSS,,, this is your ticket. ( unfortunatlet there were only about 60 ran as Its hard to keep running discs when the flight plates dont come out smooth.



Still working on the "Scout" ( new disc recycled name),,,,, the New mid-range between the Element and Warrior. Theres been several great runs of 200- 300 discs, but I'm still loooking for a clear Urethane that gives the discs all the properties I'm looking for and allows the discs to remain see through. Hopefully we can get the first production run completed and ready to release on the auto ship program soon.

Have your club a local retailer contact if you like like to get any of these special runs.

The new Scout was just PDGA Approved: http://www.pdga.com/tech-standards

the newer-mold speed demons are great. fast, usable overstability, not too overstable. if only the rim was a little deeper....

the newer-mold speed demons are great. fast, usable overstability, not too overstable. if only the rim was a little deeper....

If the rim depth of the spirity/speed demon/illusion was a bit deeper the discs would also be a bit more overstable based on height of the parting line to the bottom edge.
I call this the under-camber height. (under camber shape as in "CONCAVE" can also make the disc more overstable here, a Convex shape here = less overstable, because the air continues over it at basically the same speed instead of being slowed down by the convex shape or in some discs a bead.

In the new drivers the parting line is much lower than the speed demon/spirit, (by much lower I mean about .070) which allows for the rim depth to be deeper by .040 and the disc will not be so over stable.

Dave,

I got a chance to play a few rounds with the new GDS mid-range the Scout this past week.. Gotta say I love it! Its faster than a Roc or Buzzz. It has the high-speed stability of a Roc and low-speed fade of a Buzzz. Its truly the best of both worlds. This disc fits perfectly in the middle of the Warrior and Element. This is a must have GDS disc.

Thanks for all you do for the game!

-Chris Adams

P.S. When do we get to see this new Destroyer type high-speed driver you have been working on?

Dave,
-Chris Adams

P.S. When do we get to see this new Destroyer type high-speed driver you have been working on?

its at the tool makers,,hopefully early in march.

Gateway Disc Sports is offering a special to all of our FaceBook fans:

If your are looking to try some Gateway or stock up on a practice set of putters:
become a fan and get "HOOKED UP" .

the current special lasts until mid-night friday.
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Its been a while since I last posted on here,,,Ive been posting on Facebook and our blog, but hadn't renewed my pdga membership.


lots of new courses going in, 2 new baskets and today our long range high speed driver the "SLAYER" just got PDGA approved:

I'd say its a cross between a destroyer and Nuke,, wing length of a Destroyer, rim depth of the Nuke,,,, its extremely fast and has very good control, we will have 4 new drivers out this summer,, this will be the 2nd most overstable,,,,,the next one will be the most understable one ( the "Samurai") which will have the same top and a slightly sharper nose and less concave on the wing.

our ratings for the Slayer will look like 14 - 9- 1 - 2 ( yeah its that fast!!!)

Slayer
Certification No.: 11-28
PDGA fee: $300
Outside diameter: 21.0 cm
Inside rim diameter: 16.4 cm
Height: 1.7 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 2.3 cm
Flight plate thickness: 0.2 cm
Flight plate to rim plane distance: 1.5 cm
Flexibility rating: 9.75 kg
Rim configuration rating: 30.00
Maximum weight allowed: 174.3 g

DISContinuously,
Jeff Homburg (#1025)

We are just about to release the next long range driver ( the samurai) and wanted to know what players think of the Slayers stability?

How under-stable should the samurai be?

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We are just about to release the next long range driver ( the samurai) and wanted to know what players think of the Slayers stability?

How under-stable should the samurai be?

How fast were you thinking the Samurai would be? The toughest thing I have with selling Gateway drivers is the ability to tell the customer that I'm selling them an understable disc. I'd like to see a faster Sabre. I know it's not the easiest to make it faster and not make it overstable. Something that goes straight and fast for players that throw under 300, a nice long turnover disc for someone that can throw over 300 would be a really nice disc to add to your lineup.

Dave, or any other Gateway thrower. I am sorry if this has already been asked but I dont want to go through 97 pages :D lol. I have been looking into throwing some gateway drivers. But I can't figure out which is your most stable driver. I am in need of a very stable driver that wont turnover. Something that will just go on a big hyzer or straight to finish left. Thanks Dave!

we have several overstable discs that would meet your need.

try a spirit, speed demon, Illusion or slayer.

we recently retooled the top of the rage,,making it our most overstable disc ( it uses the spirit wing) and will eventually run some blurrs, which uses the same top, but the Illusion wing.

if you email me I'll send you a flight chart with all of our descriptions.

[email protected]