Dave:

Will this be the "Inferno Disc" or the "Disco Inferno?"

"I like to party, I like to disc golf, I like to have a good time..."

:D

Thats funny and one of the reasons I was skeptical about the name.
Being as though I was into hard rock while the disco craze was taking place, I'm leaning towards just "inferno" :cool:

What ever happend with the 'magic' beadless wizard? Is that still in the making?

Mark. 90% of the people who play disc golf dont even have a chance to buy a wizard at their local retailer.
While we will eventually have the beadless wizard( Majic), right now we are trying to get more retail outlets for our current models.
Are you coming down for the Gateway Open?

Very understandable Dave. I am still trying to do what I can to get more people product the last few months have been very busy. Anyone coming up to Telemark besides Bunnell?

I did not even know about the gateway open, I see the date and I will probably have it free... Its a possibility though would love to play festus again. Do you have a flyer online with more information?

I'm planning on coming down for the
G-Way Open. Can't wait to play Festus and get some new biskits.

There is a flyer under tournaments, but there is so much action there that it gets on the 3rd page within an hour.

If you want to email me at david@gdstour.com I can send you the actual flyer.

Got to throw my proto Inferno yesterday... Definitely a nice disc. Has the speed of a wraith but less low speed fade, and definitely has more glide. I also like the grip better than most of the new distance discs, as the rim is a little less wide. Needs more height than a wraith/orc to carry that far though.

Speed of a wraith, with less low speed fade, more glide, and a thinner rim? WOW! Sounds like my perfect disc. I have small hands and have trouble gripping the wraith. I can't throw the wraith to save my life. I've been having some success with the surge, but I usually fall back to my orc. How do I get my hands on the Inferno, if I were to be so lucky?

Well I hope I can get some infernos they sound like just the disc I am looking to add to the bag. Is this going to be strictly Gateway or is it a Gateway - Quest disc?

Also hopefully i can get some sent my way, or get some when/if I come down for the gateway open cant wait to throw this one.

It says "Gt.Quest" on the bottom. He had mentioned that they were changing the mold a little bit and the flight should be the same, but a little faster. It also didnt look like the mold had been fully polished yet... I think I got one of the really early protos. I definitely think this could be my new distance driver once it gets into its final form and PDGA approved.

Take some pictures of it! :)

Yo Dave. The boys up here in Canada are still Gateway junkies and continue to be interested in trading industry insights and possibly partnering in manufacturing. We're still hoping to get some of your latest and greatest prototypes too. We also met your man Eric Mathias at the BC Open...
-Matt

Hey Dave,
Did you get the videos I sent you?
Bart
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We are working on getting a production run going for tomorrow.
WE should be getting pdga approval soon.

I'm pretty sure most of the high end discs will carry the Gateway logo, as long as they are up to the standards and good enough for our pro players to use in competition.
The recreational discs and some experimental stuff will go under the Gateway Quest line.
That doesnt mean players on our team wont be using the G-Q stuff, as several of our players are already using the Control Driver and the Ultra long range driver.
The power driver is an overmolded version of the Inferno and we have plenty at the shop right now.


As far as the E-Inferno goes:
We dont want to get too many out until we get the word from the pdag! Shuld be any day now

Z,
I only received the feldberg video, did you send others
when did you sen it over?

Matt,
Lets get rolling on some new discs for you guys, we can make Snap some really great discs and handle US distribution if you can create the Hype.
The ball is in your court.

We are working on getting a production run going for tomorrow.
WE should be getting pdga approval soon.



Quest/Gateway Inferno seems to be approved already->
http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/rules_approved_discs.htm

Dave,
I sent a handful of DVDs about a month or so ago including the Bowling Green video with Nikko. I just missed running into you in Tulsa. The discs are all labeled Channel Z and the tracking indicates they were delivered via priority mail. Are you saying they did not arrive? You offered some plastic in exchange and if you do find them I need a supply of medium Wizards 173 or heavier. I prefer black but am not picky. It is my personal putter of choice....
Z
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Z,
We did get the videos, I guess Justin took them home to watch and I never knew about them.
I will make sure we get you out some wizards and other cool stuff.

Do we have your address?

Please send it to me regular email david@gdstour.com

Matt,
Lets get rolling on some new discs for you guys, we can make Snap some really great discs and handle US distribution if you can create the Hype.
The ball is in your court.



Dave,
George said he has called and e-mailed you a few weeks ago about some details and that you said you were going to get back to him?? We'd love to chat. George is on a family vacation this week but can be reached toll free at 1.888.785.3312. I'll tell him to try calling you again too.
Can't wait to try the inferno!

Matt,
I will see where we are at with production and tool building on monday and get back to you.
The infernos are a really big hit for us right now and we will be prototyping a teebirdish type disc soon.
We had one of our best weeks ever and I'm expecting it to only be bigger this week.

It shouldnt be that difficult to get you guys a driver similar to the infeerno, a Element type mid-Range and a wizardisch putter to get you up and rolling.

Do you guys have any cad drawing for discs you have in mind?

We would be happy to share some of our latest technologies advancements with you and incoprporate them into new products for Snap!

...and we will be prototyping a teebirdish type disc soon.


Dave, I'm drooling! WHEN WILL THESE BE READY FOR TESTING???

We may release a sligtly more overstable version of the Inferno first.
I am hearing a lot of local ( non gateway sponsored) players say the inferno replaced up to 3 different discs in their bags.
3 Discs like the wraith, beast and teebird
I thik the Inferno can handle such a wide range of sppeds and heights, its a pretty amazing disc.

Dave verry slightly more overstable would be good. I was very impressed last night played in the local Mini on a course that actually has a few holes to air out on. Threw golf shot with inferno high reverse's that were flexing out the entire way, low dead straight shots, and the one that finally baked my noodle, I threw one about 425 on a huge hyzer the entire way that just held the line and flew about 30 feet further than everything I thought I knew about aerodynamics and disc flight said it should have gone.

bottom line INFERNO = AMAZING. thanks Dave

Dave, did you get my e-mail?

It's been a while since I'd played in 25+ mph wind, and I'd just like to say how well the elementX held up in that wind. While headwinds slowed the disc down a bit, there was very minimal turn. I got it to hold both left and right turning lines into crosswinds from both l/r and r/l. Overall, a great disc in the rough conditions. I did find (as I expected) that the element is not good for headwinds :). Surpisingly, I could get it to hold some nice lines in the strong crosswinds.

Also, I know I've read on various forums that the wizard is great for long approaches and short drives, even in the wind. Man, that thing just flies nuts straight reguardless of what the wind is doing. Like I need another reason to like the wizard :). Great going Gateway.

The Element X seems to have been lost in our line-up, it could be players dont relaize there are actually 2 different discs. The ELX is a great disc but its sales are not even close to the regular element. It is more of a pro mid-range and much better in windy conditions, We are thinking of changing the name to give the discs its own identity.

Your not going to change the disc any if you do the name are you? I have got to where I only use the elementx I love them I got a beat one that flys straight to anhyzer then I got a new one that is overstable so they have taken over the elements spot.

No need to change the shape the disc is awesome.
Giving the disc its own name so to speak should only help with sales.

actually dave the element x are the 2nd biggest seller for me of course the wizards are first but then the elx. I just got some of the DT disc to sell so we will see how fast those go.

The Element X seems to have been lost in our line-up, it could be players dont relaize there are actually 2 different discs. The ELX is a great disc but its sales are not even close to the regular element. It is more of a pro mid-range and much better in windy conditions, We are thinking of changing the name to give the discs its own identity.



I've had some of the more overstable ElementX's (those clear domey ones were hogs!), and recently got a newer, red one in some of your newer opaque plastic. One of the things that amazes both me and my freinds is how fast that thing is. Most everyone who watches me throw it thinks it's a driver by it's speed. Comparing to Innova, it's got Roc control with Leopard speed and glide. For me, the Element (2 in the bag) / ElementX (1 in the bag) is the best mid combo I've found.

Element-Xs are my bread-n-butter midrange. I use it for all kinds of shots...hyzers, hyzer-flip low ceilings, straight tunnel shots, long annys, long S-ers, and sometimes sidearms. I love it, they go forever and are really predictable in any conditions. I'm not crazy about the Elements and they are a totally different disc. I think changing the name is a really good idea.

The element-x are great i like them for the longer straight shots and hyzers if I need a big anhyzer then I will use an s elment but thats the only type of element I like. The blaze is another perfect mid range though

Any ideas on the new name or was it just something that you strarted thinking about?

I -- like most that read this message board follow along with all the talk about new discs. Compared to Discraft and Innova, Gateway's plastics/discs and marketing are by far the most foreign to me.

I throw Wizards -- very few disc golfers in the Philadelphia area throw Wizards.

About three years ago I bought some miscellaneous Gateway discs -- none of them really impressed me like the Wizard, but most of them were so overstable that I just assumed that they were for the high rpm/mph guys and not me -- no worries.

Dave -- have you given any thought to clarifying your discs and marketing any? I just never have much luck trying to figure out what disc/plastic makes sense to try next from your company. I realize the current latest greatest longest disc that you're selling is the inferno -- I'm just asking in general.

Please understand -- the Wizard is by far the best disc I throw. I know that I have an advantage on 90+% of the guys I'm competing with because they don't have one in their bag -- so I'm not attempting to bash you, just curious. From my viewpoint the sales stuff needs organizing. Seems like Gateway could be a little slicker looking -- is it just me?

I have to agree here. I've found Gateway products to be spectacular in design and durability. The achilies heel seems to be marketing. If more folks knew about Gateway products and understood better how they compare to Innova, and Discraft's products I truely think sales would skyrocket. In my opinion Gateway's products are superior.

I'm not sure I would consider marketing as much as a problem as manufacturing capabilities and distribution. (CASH!!)


Our advertising through this discussion board, pdga events, the DGWN, Sponsored players and gdstour events have been very succesful tools for exposing our products to players inside the game and its really starting to pay off. Now we just need to make our products more available by getting more discs on more shelves. It would also help to get more on line retailers to carry our products with better web development and to show our products on their home pages or run specials.
That will all come with the demand, which I feel is getting there.

Capitol and cash flow are always good to have on your side and we have achieved this in the partnership with Quest.

We sold about 37,000 discs last year and are approaching 60,000 so far this year with a whole quarter to go.
I feel our marketing and advertising penetration is working fine and should have us sellling about 200,000 units next season, again more than doubling sales.
Being involved in an industry where one company owns 85-90% market share with lots of brand loyalty, I think weve done a pretty good job with what we had to start with.

The Wizard has been our biggest success and now players are trying other models when they find them available.
Making them more available to players who dont come to this board will be our main focus, but we will always be involved with the pdga and pdga events.


Until this past year I Owned and ran a 2 crew construction company and only really did the Gateway thing as a hobby.
Most of the Prototyping and ground work done that has been laid down for Gateway over the last 10 years was while working 40 plus hours a week on construction and 20-30 on disc golf. Can anyone say high blood pressure or Stress?

Fcusing my full time effort on Gateway this year, helped us develop almost 14 new molds with Gateway and Gateway-Quest, The Titan Pro-24 permenant( 7 new courses installed) and the Titan Portable. We have also developed 3 different packages this year for retail sales while working on sales rep aggreements, new player devlopment and negotiating other contracts.

I'm pretty sure you will be seeing A LOT MORE GATEWAY at your courses and in stores next season.
There are plenty of sales opportunities available!
(AD HERE!!!) " COMMISSIONED Sales reps wanted"

What would you guys think would be a good yearly budget to spend on advertising, marketing and promoting disc golf equipment to 50 states, Canada and Europe all at the same time?

Has anyone heard of NEW Belgium Brewery?
The are a really fast growing micro brewing company with some sharp sales increases over the past few years.
Their advertising, marketing and distribution approach only has them in 13 states so far in 10 years(?)maybe more, so disc golfers in 37 states cant even buy Sunshine wheat or Fat tire beer, but they are still grossing MIllions, (I'm guesssing somewhere over 30 million ???)

Its been pretty hard to fully supply 50 states simultaneously, especially when I already had a full time job doing Construction.

If we are having this same disussion in 18 months than I will be back doing Construction in 2008, which wouldnt make me very happy!


:(

I think they may be talking about a website, the current site seems outdated, it needs the current line-up of discs (that'd needed to be updated constantly with all your new discs coming out) . also i think it'd be cool if the history of gateway was posted somewhere, i'd love to know how it got started


also i can just about play my whole course with gateway discs, my putter is a wizard, and got an e element i can use for a midrange to go about anywhere (got both from Justin m) and use a old beatup wizard i've had for a few years as a turnover, now if i could just obtain a gateway driver, I'd have a only gateway bag. using innova/discraft for the 2 drivers :)

an Inferno could help.

We are working on the new website over the next few weeks, hopefully it will be ready by october 1st

an Inferno could help.

We are working on the new website over the next few weeks, hopefully it will be ready by october 1st



Dave I would love to help on the site if anyway I could just tell me. Anyway I can I'll be sure to get it done.

If you want me just to take some pictures of the DT disc so you got some new ones along with the infernos I can do that or I would actually like to do something to what Innova has and have where you can find out how the sponsored players are doing. I emailed JT last night talking about it what would you think if we did like a weekly update or something like that?

something i think that would be cool, on the new site have a description and pictures on how the discs are actually are made, I dunno if i am the only one who'd wanna know, just an idea

(unless its all a secret :eek:

We are working something like that for Utube, I dont see any reason why we cant get a video up on our site as well.
Has anyone been to utube?

We are working something like that for Utube, I dont see any reason why we cant get a video up on our site as well.
Has anyone been to utube?



Yes Dave youtube is the bomb lol..... But did you see what I said about doing the updates I would love to do something like that.

Justin,
Do you know HTML or asp?

i know some html.

whatcha need?

lol me and Justin have been talkin in AIM alot, talking about ideas and stuff, i use dreamweaver to make sites, one i made is http://stickitdg.com/will/ (rough draft sorry about the big box on the left) and i also run www.stickitdg.com (http://www.stickitdg.com), I could mabye do weekly player updates for a few discs :P (i need a sign *WILL WORK FOR DISCS**)haha


(sounds like a good stamp)

i will try my ways of developing a new site for you tomorrow.

I dont use any programs though, its all pen and pad, aka NOTEBOOK on the computer.

see if i cant get you a good homepage.

i was talking to matt hall this weekend about wanting to try some gateway discs, seeing that my game is mostly midrange/putting with a wraith, eagle,understable teebird, and firebird for drivers. I figure i could switch them out with gateway.

helping with a new site may be what helps me do it.

plus.... you dont have any north texas representation as of now.

Ryan C.

Justin,
Do you know HTML or asp?



Dave, I'm quite familiar with both. I don't belive you need either to post on youtube.com though. Are you thinking of embedding media into pages that you host on your own site?

Justin,
Do you know HTML or asp?



I know a little html and like Will posted I talk to him on AIM a lot and he is saying that he wants to help....... I'll be all up to do what ever I can even if its just working with the players pages. I was thinking of going under each person's page and put up the tournaments that they have played in and the ones they are expecting to go to. Then as the tournaments happen getting in contact with the players and find out how they did. But if its something that I can't do Will and another guy I know both say that they will help.

Justin,
Do you know HTML or asp?



Dave, I'm quite familiar with both. I don't belive you need either to post on youtube.com though. Are you thinking of embedding media into pages that you host on your own site?



Furthur I have heard about a couple of people asking to update the site more and they wanted to know all the new things going on so what I was trying to do was get control of doing the players pages and things like that. Thats if Dave wants me to do that but besides that I'm going to do what ever he wants I'm on the computer all the time when I'm not playing disc golf and I might as well do something useful.

I love the inferno! threw them in a field a couple of times yesterday and put a little hyzer in them and booooom!!! The double beaded screams are pretty cool too.

Hi Dave,

Just wanted to say that I really like everything that I am hearing about Gateway these days. I see a lot of success for you in the coming years. Just keep making cutting-edge quality products (Inferno) and your marketing and distribution issues will fall into place.

You mention New Belguim Brewery. Wow what a success! And all based on quality product with strong consumer loyalty. They are a great company, and have even sponsored a few of our DG tournaments here in Colorado.

I'd love to talk to you more sometime about all what you have going on in Colorado and what opportunities might exist here for Gateway.

Keep up the good work.
Mark Steputis
Vortex Disc Golf
Lightwave Studio (http://www.lightwavestudio.com)
(Corporate branding, marketing and webdev)

Justin,
Do you know HTML or asp?



Dave, I'm quite familiar with both. I don't belive you need either to post on youtube.com though. Are you thinking of embedding media into pages that you host on your own site?



Furthur I have heard about a couple of people asking to update the site more and they wanted to know all the new things going on so what I was trying to do was get control of doing the players pages and things like that. Thats if Dave wants me to do that but besides that I'm going to do what ever he wants I'm on the computer all the time when I'm not playing disc golf and I might as well do something useful.



If you've got any design questions, just ask. I'm sure I can be a pretty good resource if you are doing the design in-house.

Check out this special at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com/item.cfm?itemid=44414) We've also got all the other Gateway discs. The Odyssey Ultra Long-Range driver has sold well lately as well as the Scream DT. And yes, the Wizard is a magical disc - it just keeps disappearing. Keep it up Dave.

GATEWAY ROCKS! http://myspace-286.vo.llnwd.net/00012/68/21/12201286_s.gif

I know html, asp, php you name it but I dont have any free time to do any work unfortunately :)

http://ry1400.tripod.com/gateway.html


sorry for the crappy free uploader, but hey.

this took me more or less 5 minutes.

just thought id show that its possible to make a good looking site from scratch.

this is a small preview, i have a game to attend. but im down for helping out.

www.dealsquared.com (http://www.dealsquared.com)
this is another website that is launching in december, its a buddy of mines, and im sure he would lend a hand as well.

The website should be a high priority and would definitely increases sales if it were updated more frequently. Here are my thoughts

1. improve the overall presentation (check Discraft and Innova to establish a minimum expectation - e.g. links to PDGA websites for sponsored player stats, online sales presentation, graphics, contact info, product availability)
2. have a front page which is easily readable and encourages to explore the site
3. update the product store for the currently available disc
4. update your sponsored players lists with new profiles and pictures (just a personal interest here :D)
5. keep on keeping on!

With some time, Gateway will gain its own brand loyalty and change the disc golf world for the better by increasing the competition.

Jason:

Player profiles will get updated hopefully this Friday. So...if you have any updates...you know where to send them. And Mark B., I will PM you with where to send them.

JT

Thanks!

Mark...PM sent.

Hey Joe can you put that I am rated 1000 and not 999? Its just one point. :D

Hey Joe can you put that I am rated 1000 and not 999? Its just one point. :D



whatever you fellow member of the 3 digit player rating club

Hey Joe can you put that I am rated 1000 and not 999? Its just one point. :D



whatever you fellow member of the 3 digit player rating club



I always have been. :DWell I guess it is better then my 1st rating of 833. :D

Matt,
man 1 point thats a bummer :mad:
Have you called CK to make sure his numbers are correct?



Did you see nikko went tfrom 940 to 990, is that a record?

Ben Gaddis went from 0 to 1022 one time.

Where is he at now?

Gaddis - playing masters in South Carolina.

i was wrong - he went from 0 to 1029.

hes at 1028 now.

The website should be a high priority and would definitely increases sales if it were updated more frequently. Here are my thoughts

4. update your sponsored players lists with new profiles and pictures (just a personal interest here :D)




This is the one thing that I was going to try and get Dave to let me work on and then I was also looking at the disc on the left where you could look at the picture get the new disc up there too.

Matt,
man 1 point thats a bummer :mad:




I played like crap at Worlds but the B tier that I tied for first helped out a lot and made me go up 9 points. If I wouldn't have chocked it up at Worlds and played horrible golf then rating should have jumped a lot more.

I am just glad my rating went up instead of down, after the IOS Crystal Lake where I had a 1027 rated round I took 3 weeks off and didnt play once during that time since I was working 2 jobs... Came back and took a while to start getting a little consistency back....

Hey Dave, just read the article about 1st Baptist Church pulling the course in St. Charles ... bummer! I'm glad I got to play it last year anyway, a nicely designed course.
Does the Church own the baskets? Any chance they will get bought and another course might go in somewhere around there? I always look forward to coming back to the area (family lives around there) and playing all the courses I can.

Link to article ... St. Charles course closed. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/neighborhoods/stories.nsf/stcharlescounty/news/%20story/F96AACD81DC03CD1862571E70056DCD4?OpenDocument)

That article is sad... I am glad I was able to play that course at least once, it was fun. Unfortunately courses are going down across the country because of this "activity" .. I believe in the milwaukee area we will be down a course by the end of the year because of the way the golfers treat the course and the neighborhood

Yeah Nikko went up 28 from 962. That is a huge jump though.

The baskets are for sale and several people have made offers. There is a course already designed that is in the same city, St Charles (Mcnair park)and the park department is looking at their finances.
I think the Church is looking for about $4500 for them, they would be $7200 new.
They are some of the first Titans and were dipped in the same red material as the portables we make now,they look really sweet and of course catch so well.

I am very surprized to see this article on disc golf, and the comments by the youth pastor.
I own the company that designed and installed the course, Gateway Disc Sports.

From the beginning I informed the youth pastor that disc golf could attract a "Rowdy Crowd".
I suggested having the course be semi-private by making anyone who wanted to play sign up for a membership up or sign in each time they play. This way they could know the people who were using the course.
If problems were to arise, they could strip the privilege away from those who chose to not obey the rules, while the rest of us continued to enjoy the course. His response was always generally the same "If we can save just one soul it will be worth it".

What does it say for a church to give up on saving souls?
Is this what the world is coming to, churches giving up on people?
I guess a few bad apples CAN spoil the whole "Damned Bunch"!

In my opinion there is more to this story of closing the course than a few "rowdy kids"!
Before the course was installed, the church had a lot of problems with kids partying in the woods.
The constant exposure of players on the disc golf course eliminated most of this from happening
The "Rowdy Kids" were there way before the course and will be there again now that the course is gone.
It seems like a shame to remove this course, but I guess the Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away!

Hey Dave so was there anything I could help doing with on the site? Willsfc has come up with some good ideas and wanted to see if I could help any I saw where JT said send all updates to him so I did that........ Did you see where I talked about maybe adding the new disc to the line of the left?

We are in the middle of revampingthe whole site.
Once we get the template up and running there may be something for you to do.
It may be doing some my space and U tube for the team mebers.

Dave, how do you get the Inferno's to come out of the anny? I am hyzer-flipping them and they stay turned over the whole way. I tried throwing them higher and they went farther but still never came out of the anny. I had several bombs yesterday that I threw really high and they went about 300 before they completely flipped, but held it all the way to the ground over 450ft. They are crushing, I was just wondering how to get them to flex-out so I can maximize the glide.

It may be doing some my space and U tube for the team mebers.



I know for sure Matt, Shane, and I all have myspace as they are my friends on there lol. But for sure myspace and youtube is some addicting sites right now. On my myspace I have a gateway bag as my background and when I'm online it has Gateway disc sports flashing on it. So Gateway is all over my page no worries there.

I was wondering about the E type plastic and why some of it is super stiff and semi grippy while some of it is gummy super grippy and just molds to the hand perfectly. Is there any distinction in the type of plastics and Dave do you plan on making the inferno in this type of plastic soon??

http://ry1400.tripod.com/bag1.html

guys if you can get me a picture like this of your actual bag, i can image map it to when you click on that disc it takes you to that discs page. rather than having a table listing what you throw, let the person click on it.

on that page the two left white discs and the solid red disc are all clickable. i may of got the disc name wrong but you get my point
that would be cool for the new players pages

Up-side: It is a very cool feature, unique and different.

Down-side: It creates more of a load time, it creates a "surprise!" factor that is generally unwanted.

The last point is the only thing I really would have against your neat (innovative!) little feature idea. People want to see what the GDS Team members are throwing, they don't want to go through and randomly click images just to see what a particular team member is tossing. I know I'd get annoyed with it after only a visit or two to the site.

Awesome idea for a personal homepage, frustrating feature for a part of the Gateway Team Profiles.

Just my two cents, keep innovating!


-Chris.

I would have side with Chris on this one too. Fun idea, but not necessarily practical for a team page.

Another thing that would be bad is I know a lot of peoples bags might be like mine and where it looks I have 15 disc I carry 2 of every disc I throw.

JT when are we looking for the updates to happen? Was all my stuff ok I sent you?

I will probably start working on the updates sometime in the next hour. The info you sent looks fine. I think I have at least 4 or 5 players to either add or update.

Alight thanks I was just going to make sure. I know it probably will be done but I get out of school at 3 if there is anything I can help you with I will be happy to.

i see what you mean.

it was one of those ideas that popped into my head while i was trying to go to sleep, and i had to get up and make it.

the idea of having two of the same disc isnt a problem, if they were next to each other i could make the link span over both discs.

i could see the load time issue on a dialup connection.

and it may be hard to get them to flow well with the rest of the page. it could be done nicely, but that would take time.

still just wanted to toss ideas out there. let me know if you need any help.

i also may be working on the texas 10 site as well

http://ry1400.tripod.com/texas10.html

Joe,

I sent you an email and PM (yesterday and today's are both needed). Can you please check them for the update and make the corrections.

Thanks man

Dave, while I havent recieved my inferno's yet, I am nonetheless excited about them, is there any chance of them being produced in S? Also is there a chance of getting harder S Blazes?

Dave,

I've recently aquired another E elementX, but it's got a weird flight pattern. When thrown hard, it seems to drift (not flip) to the right. While it's in physically good condition rim wise, there are small marks in the plastic flight plate that look like pit marks that seem to show up on the underside of the disc. Not holes or anything, but small indentations that look discolored on the underside. Unfortunatly, I really liked the plastic (it's a red E that feels like slightly harder star plastic, and may be the best feeling ELX I've ever picked up), and just though it was a color dyeing flaw. I don't really think it's my technique (even though I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination), but I can throw my other ELX's flat with a straight flight and predictable (minimal) fade. Do you think theses small flaws in the disc would be causing the drift I speak of, or is this a common thing with the ELX that I should work on with technique?

Will There are plenty of firm Blazes laying around, we would just have to dif them up.
We sent out the discs, you should have them early next week.

There has only been 1or 2 guys so far, that havent thrown the Inferno farther than any disc in their bag.

It is such a STABLE STRAIGHT flying disc.

Chris,
Are you sure it is an ELX and not an Element.

Is it transluscent?

If so;
The marks you see are moisture.
I thought the run was a bit soft, but turns out everyone seems to like them.
At the end of that RED transloscent ELX run I threw in some material to make some a little more firm.

There was only about 50 of that special blend, but I didnt think the flight characteristic changed.
The rim must be a little puffy from the moisture!
This works well for Spirits, but so much for elements and ELX.

I call this movement tracking and first noticed tracking on the very first up to weiht run of the sabres, back in 1998.

If you want to give it to someone who has less power, I can send you a different one. It probably wont track for them.

Dave,

Thanks. The disc is a traslucent red, and the term tracking that you've described hit's the flight on the head. I have let some freinds with less power throw it, and it flies dead straight for them. If you want to send me a different one, I won't argue :cool: Gateway has to be the coolest company in the game right now.
Oh, and loving the inferno finally. I started out throwing it with a fork grip, but the disc felt like it was just falling out of my hand. So I've been experimenting with a power grip, and bam, instant distance!

So far I think the hot round today was 80 by Adam Olsen...

Gateway scores I know

Nikko 82 !!!
Me 84
Justin 86
Chris Schmidt ??? not sure

I think other scores off the top of my head....
Jenkins 84, Sprague 84, Heeren 86?, Reading 85, Hein 84

Feldberg took a 6 on hole 4 for playing the hole wrong I think and he shot a 90

Thats it for now, and the INFERNO !!!! ROCKS!!!!

<--- Lots of rain and wind today, my round was 5 hrs and 45 min....

sweet firm blazes sound hot, cant wait for those discs this week, first week with gds back in the bag took 2nd in a non sanctioned tied with sjur soleng (the new innova guy) and took down some other great players. Guess we know these discs are sweet.

Good shooting Will.
Did you see that Nikko was in 2nd at the A tier in Wisconsin?

So far I think the hot round today was 80 by Adam Olsen...

Gateway scores I know

Nikko 82 !!!
Me 84
Justin 86
Chris Schmidt ??? not sure

I think other scores off the top of my head....
Jenkins 84, Sprague 84, Heeren 86?, Reading 85, Hein 84

Feldberg took a 6 on hole 4 for playing the hole wrong I think and he shot a 90

Thats it for now, and the INFERNO !!!! ROCKS!!!!

<--- Lots of rain and wind today, my round was 5 hrs and 45 min....


*whistles* That wind and rain had to have been insane! Rough scores... wow. I'm glad the conditions down here in the Ohio/Michigan area held off for our tournament, we were lucky it skirted us... very lucky.

Ah... and grabbed and tossed a speed demon a few times, first gateway disc I've used, verrrrrry reliable disc, enjoyable use found in the winds we had at Rolling Hills!

80 is the best score? And this is for 18 holes? 5+ hrs? wow

Did you see that Nikko was in 2nd at the A tier in Wisconsin?


3 Gateway guys in the top 10 wtg yall

good job everyone, still play to go though huh?

80 is the best score? And this is for 18 holes? 5+ hrs? wow

It is actually 24 holes of disc golf jungle warfare.


-Chris.

I thought Nikko said it was 27 holes.

Justin came back to tie for for 2nd and Nikko wound up in 4th.
Nikko said he double circle sixed a par 3 and then came back to almost catch Avery who tied with Justin. I think Adan Olsen won by 2 getting $2,500.00 for Firts!

It was 27 holes, so I guess it was a par 88( 7 par 4's)

Wtg Nikko and Justin both way to represent Gateway. Do either one of them throw the Inferno?

I know Nikko does, it brought his D up from 420 or so to well over 450! Justin can throw anything BIG!

I know for sure that the Inferno has added a lot of D to my shot. I remember when you posted about this disc adding distance and still being accurate that is best way to describe this disc.

The inferno has really been a fun disc to learn - it just seems so easy to throw. This evening I was throwing BIG S curves with a left to right wind. (We drew a bit of a crowd. :cool:)

i cant wait to get ahold of one of these infernos.

and a few elements and a wizard

i think im going all gateway.

who knows

Yea, when i get my inferno, I'm gonna try an all-gateway round and see how it goes.
the only Mid-range in my bag right now is a Black Element..

i think im going all gateway.

who knows



I have been all Gateway for a year now and would never look at turning back. I love the disc and once you learn then you can get them to do everything and anything you want.

I have been all Gateway for a year now and would never look at turning back. I love the disc and once you learn then you can get them to do everything and anything you want.



ive only been playing a year, fell in love with the sport.


and it Sounds like i could do the same, i have had to learn the discs i throw now, so i guess i could stand to learn some more

I throw mostly midrange my Roc's top out at like 320, and im not much of a putter chunker.

i know gateway has a solid putter, and the elements are good midranges, i just need a long distance STABLE driver like a wraith, and then a good straight fairway driver like an eagle. then the firebird, and sidewinder matches.

i know i could go gateway midrange, but im hoping the inferno is one that can replace the wraith.

i think im going all gateway.

who knows



I have been all Gateway for a year now and would never look at turning back. I love the disc and once you learn then you can get them to do everything and anything you want.



If i was sponsored by Gateway, duh i'd throw all gateway :P Tough to buy all the discs. and at Tournaments down here, they don't give away gateway in the prize packs.

If i was sponsored by Gateway, duh i'd throw all gateway :P Tough to buy all the discs. and at Tournaments down here, they don't give away gateway in the prize packs.



exactly

but i think i can nab some from ebay, or set something up with dave.

Adam won by 1 stroke over avery, 1850 for 1st place. I couldnt hit a putt all day and dropped from 3rd to 14th tie with Chris Schmidt, Drummond and a few others for 150 dollars... Nikko turned it on towards the end, had a rough start though...

Threw the inferno for the first time friday and was one of my go to discs for the weekend very easy to learn and throw and I had some long ones...

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i know gateway has a solid putter, and the elements are good midranges, i just need a long distance STABLE driver like a wraith, and then a good straight fairway driver like an eagle. then the firebird, and sidewinder matches.


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I use my beat Spirit where most people would use their wraith, but now I'm using the Inferno of course there is no comparison to this disc. The good straight fairway driver I would say would be the sabre I use mine for these type of shots with tight fairways they are super straight and dependable. Then a firebird match would be a Spirit or Speed Demon.

The blaze is closer to a firebird.
Inferno or beat spirit or e-illusion for wraith/teerex match
sabre or beat hybrid for eagle match
s-illusion or scream for sidewinder match

Only reason I didn't say blaze was because of the distance factor on some shots. When a blaze gets beat in I would not say that it would have the same stability of a Firebird also.

thanks guys

I would say old mold hybrids were the closest to a firebizzle, blaze is shorter and less overstable, speed demon is longer and the new retooled ones are about the same stability. Spirit is not like a firebird at all, if you really rip a spirit it flies understable then wayy overstable finish but the high speed is slightly understable. Most people wont notice this unless they throw one in a headwind.

Dave,
Is the Demon ever made in E plastic? I'm kinda digging the flight of this disc for special shots, but I'm afraid the plasic isn't going to hold up long because of the rocky ground we play on here in the mountains of CO.

Boneman, I'm not Dave, but carrying 2 Demon G5i's (one new & one beat) will solve your problem. After a LOT of beating they might(?) start to glide ~> this allows for even more possibilities... :eek: One of the most dern dependable discs ever made! :cool:
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With the mold of the demon being so big there is no need for much mineral in the polymer blend which increases the denisty ( weight).
Because they are made with an almost all polymer blend, Demons have great impact and abbrasion resistance, even in our S plastic.
Since the mold is so large ( mass) polyurethane cannot really be used, it is much to heavy.
Now if you want an illegal 200 gram Demon made in E we can do that! :confused: :cool::cool:

David and Circle, thanks for the replies, and suggestions.

Dave, I guess if I didn't need it for tourney play, I would probably take you up on the 200g Demon (sounds cool, lol). I'll probably just pick up another one after this devil gets beat.
Very cool disc ... I likes it. :D

PS. Dave I really like the Infernos you sent me. One of the best Gateway discs ever. I'm not getting the "miricle" distance everyone else is raving about, but I think it's the best Gateway driver I have thrown yet, with the Scream in very close second. Nice job!

Dont you notice aan extra little boost of glide at the final stage of the flight?

I let a Pro Masters friend of mine throw one where he couldnt get his normal drives to a 400ft hole and he got the inferno with less effort to go 40ft past the basket!!! He wants 3 of them, a few for his kids if I can get them in the upper 160's in weight.

Dave -

Did you get my response about the glow wizards, about 70 of them with the stamp? And if the stamp with less shading would work better? I would like to put in an order pretty soon once we finalize the event this week.

Thanks

Inferno=hot I need more for when I lose them from overdriving holes... no seriously. Dave you sent me some white wizards with light blue stamps that I thought were glow, but I guess these are soft/med? Anyways they are the hottest things ever.

Also I have 5 or 6 black elements max weight im not going to use if you want to trade. (to the guy in love with black E elements)

Also I have 5 or 6 black elements max weight im not going to use if you want to trade. (to the guy in love with black E elements)



I used to love the black E Elements but I don't use them anymore. I love the E Element X now. I agree with you though about asking for back ups when you over drive holes with the inferno. Everyone is still amazed seeing me throw this disc is has added so much distance now.

Today I overdrove an uphill 400 hole by 50' and it slammed into a stone wall hard, it left a big mark on the disc in the form of a red/grey residue, flight stayed the same. But I cant imagine any disc taking abuse like that over and over again. Its soooo long. Should rename it the magnum. jk

now is the inferno one of the double beaded discs? i was told today by a random golfer at the course that it was, and i didnt have a reply... i was just like "uhh yeah ....well.....maybe....."

it iss not, there is a double beaded scream.

wouldn't a beat demon fly like an e blaze?

they are differently molded, thuse having different flight paths even when beaten in.

what is the difference?

Recently I've purchased 2 173g infernos which i instantly fell in love with. I throw them on a dead straight line right around 400-425 but when i get on them i have a huge flexing S-curve. I'm looking for something a little more stable that i can put some power too...are the double beaded screams what I'm looking for?

man im stoked to get some infernos.


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Dave you sent me some white wizards with light blue stamps that I thought were glow, but I guess these are soft/med? Anyways they are the hottest things ever.




I got sent one of these new white wizards that looks like a glo, but is a soft with a hardish rim. I've been trying it out as a putter, and I think it's going to kick out my old flyin G stamped wizard...It flies so well! Also, bit by bit, I'm starting to figure out the Infernos. 400 is still a pipe dream for me right now, but that pipe is getting closer and closer, that's for sure.

Are these a new run of the wizard? This is the first time I have heard about them and was just curious. The wizards I have right now that are a light tan color in the soft wizard are the bomb, since I visited in May they have been only wizard I use to putt or practice putting.

I have no idea, but they're very tacky on the flight plate without being too gummy, and quite hard on the lip. I've never putted with a medium, so I can't compare it. I think of a hard KC Aviar lip wise with a grippy top. The look glo white, but they're just really bright white. I think dave has been running wizards lately, and I imagine these came out of that batch.

Only reason I asked was you and Willie both mentioned about getting them recently so I was just wondering. I used the medium wizard some before but I can't get away from the soft. In my bag there are 3 different softs for all different shots.

I mainly throw older mold wizards (the ones with the underside name tooled in a small rectangle instead of the circle in the middle of the underside), but I really like this plastic. I know dave said he changed the mold about a year ago, and I've got some of the black putters that were run at the time of retooling, as well as some new E wizards for driving. But I think it's got less to do with the different mold and more to do with the fantastic plastic. I love this stuff!

more to do with the fantastic plastic. I love this stuff!



Best way to describe these disc in general

i offered a guy three aviars for his wizard and he wouldnt budge.

Now I would have to take that deal. Then trade the 3 aviars to a freind of mine for 5 wizards....see, 1 wizard to 5!

i love the new wizard that has come out. it has instantly taken the place of my medium i use for driving. i recently lost a medium wizard i had that had a flat top. is there a certain run that had a flat top? this was my go to 100'-200' tunnel shot disc. also the inferno is unreal. i can throw it like a leopard and have it zoom 350'. add power and it is way past the long holes. keep it up.

There have been plenty of runs of flat Wizards and most of the current White mediums are flat.
Suoersoft are usually flat except for a run we did for george Smith 9 he likes them supersoft and domey.

The lastest runs of Wizard wound up with a lot of them between the flexibilities, like right between supersoft and Soft and soft and Medium.
There are some firm though that are similar to the old G9i's

If someone has a new Wizard that they feel is not flexible enough, just work it in some with your hands or leave it laying in your basket for a day of 2.
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Some of the latest runs are a bit smooth on the surface right out of the box, but become SUPER grippy once they have gotten a liitle use and dirt on them.

The newer stuff has really great impact and memory I saw one today that a guy has been using every day for 6 weeks and it didnt even looked slightly used. The Vulcanized rubber in our TPV material is used in applications requiring great impact and abbrasion resistance for the outomobile industry.

David,

I must have gotten some of these new ones you are talking about. They are stamped Supersoft, but feel like a Wizard I had before that was called E plastic. It seems slick and shiny like Innova's Star plastic.

Did you get it from Marshall street?

Either way, use it for a while bang some chains and get it dirty. We have some at the factory that we have been using for a month or so and like I said, they will soon become GUMMY!!! Ifthey dont Ill give you, your money back!!!!

David,

Yes sir, four from Marshall Street. Are you psychic? I'm skeptical that what I feel now will become gummy, but I'll take you up on your challenge. My GF is originally from St. Louis, and she'll be down there around Thanksgiving with discs in hand if it doesn't work out. :D

Did you get it from Marshall street?

Either way, use it for a while bang some chains and get it dirty. We have some at the factory that we have been using for a month or so and like I said, they will soon become GUMMY!!! Ifthey dont Ill give you, your money back!!!!



Gummy Wizards rock! Wish I had more... should do the 5/$35 deal...

I was wondering how the Cyclops fly and if these are the large diameter driver i heard about so long ago? One last thing, is the double beaded scream more overstable than the inferno?

David,

Yes sir, four from Marshall Street. Are you psychic? I'm skeptical that what I feel now will become gummy, but I'll take you up on your challenge. My GF is originally from St. Louis, and she'll be down there around Thanksgiving with discs in hand if it doesn't work out. :D



You could find out in about 15 minutes, if you want to accelerate things.
Go out and rub them in the dirt, towel them off, rub them in the dirt agian, Throw them in the chains about 50 times and then come back inside and wash them off with soap and water.


I know this seems like a lot to do and before we found out how gummy they got just throwingthem in the factory, we had already ground up about 200.
Once we noticed how kick arse the 2 we didnt grind were we went ahead and put together the batch again and ran them.
Yuo wont have to wait until thanks giving, I will give you our UPS shipper number annd compensate you for the trouble.

That's exactly the feeling I was starting to think of; the wizard that I've got now, between a soft and a medium, has a vulcanized rubber feeling to it. It feels very comfortable in my hand, and flies so well for putts.

Got a couple of Infernos in the mail yesterday :). With very limited testing, I was overall pleased with their flight. Nothing earth-shattering, but I was able to get a few bombs that were fun to watch, and even the poor throws went surprisingly far compared to other drivers in my bag. Oh, and I really like the abrasive material toward the rim and on the wing of the disc. Even though I grip toward the center of the disc on the top of the flight plate, it feels really good in the hand.
I also got a couple of E Element-X's, which were a bit different than I expected. Very stiff plastic, slightly domey and sadly, all in white :(. But once I was able to throw them, I was quite pleased. Thrown hard, they flew like a KC Roc for the first 70% of their flight, but seemed to have more float and less fade during the low speed portion, which was a definite plus. Question: do they all say "Prototype" on the stamp? I thought they'd been out longer and were in regular production runs at this point?? Anyways, thanks for the discs and your continued improvement of the sport. Looking forward to whatever Gateway throws at us next :D.

Question: do they all say "Prototype" on the stamp? I thought they'd been out longer and were in regular production runs at this point??



Most of them have the regular Element-x stamp on them, but also if the �prototype� stamp is already in the machine they will just stamp what ever needs to be stamped at the moment.

David,

I must have gotten some of these new ones you are talking about. They are stamped Supersoft, but feel like a Wizard I had before that was called E plastic. It seems slick and shiny like Innova's Star plastic.



Mine are exactly like that too, I've used them a little, maybe 30-40 putts and 10 or so drives, I've also worked it in my hands quite a bit trying to soften it up.............it still isn't soft or gummy, yet it says SS on the bottom. I'll give it a few more tries and hopefully it won't feel like someone put WD40 all over my putter...........if I were to guess I wold say that the ones I got are E Wizards or some kind of mix between soft and E plastic (if thats even possible). :(

I think I have a few of these, too, but I'm not sure. They feel kind of rubbery, kinda slick, but after some use they're super grippy. I prefer my black, chalky Softs for putting, but these are great for driving.

Mine have the regular Wizard stamp (not Supersoft) but have no firmness marked on the bottom. Just a simple "175."

I recently got a batch of these shiny wizards. I also prefer my wizards very tacky and gummy, so I was a bit disappointed...at first.

I can confirm that they will soften up with some use. You can hasten the process by gently rubbing the shiny surfaces with a very fine sandpaper. Just enough to take the sheen off.

Once the shiny surface is buffed off, they act just like every other wizard, except for the variability in softness (ie. supersoft that has the flight plate of a medium).

Thanks Dave!

the new plastic is great. i love it and i hope they stay in production. replaced my old ones immediatly.

David,

I bought a misprint special of wizards over a year ago. I gave a couple of way to get a little variety at the local course. One of these has been my staple putter since. I ordered about three M wizards ~2-3 months ago, They were not stamped and seemed slightly different. The older wizard has no lettering underneath and the new ones have the Gateway and patent # stuff in circle underneath. When I grip these or compare them side by side, the newer ones seem different. I also read that there was a retool of the mold somewhere on this thread. Are the newer ones different or is it just the lack of a stamp that is throwing me off? The newer ones seem slicker and possibly domier, but I guess they will feel the same after a little more usage. Thanks for the help.

The retool was a thinner flight plate in places, and maybe some other changes. I belive this retool took place around to August 2005 (first time I went to the Gateway store).
There seem to be some distinct places you can find the underside tooling that have the company name/website/disc name/type. One of these toolings has a everything printed in a circle about halfway through the diameter of the disc. I think this is the current mold being used. There's also one with the name and disc type in a rectangle near the lip, and across from the disc in the same type place is the website (I can take a picture of this). The oldest wizards that I own (the old flying G wizards) have this tooling, along with my 3+ year old SS wizard. I've also got an E wizard that's got no tooling underneath, but I think this disc has the same flight plate toolings as the current mold.

Dave?

Actually it was quite the opposite, the wizard was given a slightly thicker flight plate to furthur prevent against "dimpling" from putters who have a firm grip, or drives with a firm grip.

Well, that shows how much I know :).

what are the diffrences of the plastics gateway uses and what do they compare too

S plastic is the basic plastic you could compare to Dx/D plastic however the S plastic in my opinion lasts longer/beats in a lot slower than the other companies.

The H Plastic I would compare most to a Pro Line plastic

The other plastic is E plastic which I would compare to Star Plastic

Pretty close Willie,
We have retooled the flight plate of the wizard a few times.
Original Proto Wizards were only about .060 thick in the flight plate, which made it almost impossible to make soft and super soft "S" plastic without warping on the top.
we first retooled in by about .005 and then another .003.
So the flight plate is now about .068 which is still the thinnest of any putter on the market.

Here is an article in the works for our website, which goes into more detail about the Wizard and comparing it to the Aviars.;
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I will try to address some of the scientific or aerodynamic differences between the Wizard and Aviar.

First of all I believe the Wizard is a bit longer in flight than either aviar and just about all putters.
Most guys who can throw big with a putter will agree!

It is more based on Gyroscopic effect, balance of air deflection and the materials on the surface of the discs.

The more matted the finish on the discs the less contact the air makes with the actual surface. We do this with the rubber in our materials. It causes less surface friction and a reduction of drag!
The Wizards balance of air under and over the leading edge is much closer to Equal than the Aviar and that certainly adds to Glide on deceleration. The Wizard has better stability for a wider range of Speeds.
A P& A will flip pretty quick when thrown hard and a Kc will fade left more than a Wizard at low speeds.
Keeping in layman�s terms the wizards stability covers a much larger velocity range than either Aviar p&a or a big bead.

As for the technical reasons why, most are based on the angles of the deflection {wing vs top or dome VS bead)!.

Here are a few others:
1) The Wizard is smaller in mass around 125 cubic CM and the Aviar is around 140 maybe 145.
This equates to less over all space taken up by the object.
If both discs were to weigh 175, the wizards density would have to be 1.4 while the aviar is only 1.2. Even with both discs weighing 175g the plastics in ours is heavier and even distributed much differently.

2) besides the shape of the nose which is quite different the rim is still close in mass or size, to the Aviar.
The wizard has a .068 thick flight plate though and the Aviar is over .075. At 1-1/2" in from the outer edge of the Wizard, the flight plate begins to thicken and by the time it gets to the shoulder, (where the inside rim meets the flight plate) our thickness is up to .125 heading into the rim! Even soft wizards feel beefy at first, but you can break them in by flexing them. Because we use such high end rubbers the rebound resiliency( memory) is greater as is the abrasion resistance, so they come right back to shape only a bit more flexible.
The surface, even on firm wizards is still very grippy and tacky for grabbing chains.

The added thickness in the outer part of the rim helps tremendously in 2 different ways over the Aviar.
1st,, it adds structure stability to the over all shape of the disc by reinforcing it, because of the added thickness. Even a very used wizard will remain close to perfect roundness)
The 2nd function is adding to the gyroscopic ness of the disc, Flat out a more gyroscopic disc will spin longer. The longer the spin, the longer a disc can hold a flight pattern. Bottom line, The Wizard is straighter and flies with a much tighter "S" pattern and will hold just about any line you put it on for a longer period of time whether its 30 feet or 300 feet, 20 mph or 70 MPH!!!!.

3rd)The thickness of outer part of the flight plate thins down quickly at the 1-1/2" mark to the thinner .068 ( compared to the .075 of the Aviar) This allows for a much better feel between your thumb and fingers when pinching the flight plate for putting, because they are closer together. You can get better touch with a thinner flight plate.

Besides all the technical mumble jumble, the real reason we feel our putters are more successful is the range of grips and feels. Its like buying a good micro brew compared to the same old bud light! ( No offense Dave D, but we spend hours dry blending formulas for 200-1200 disc batches and I'm sure your way past that stage for the putters)
It takes up a lot of time and causes funky weights and blended colors!
We may run a 60 disc batch and make it softer or firmer and then blend and run a 300 lb batch.

Every player seems to like a different aspect of a putter.
You wind up using it on every single hole and sometimes more than once, so you better really like it!!!!
A lot of people are playing with and liking the wizard for all shots under 300 feet!
We sell a lot of them and will soon be selling a lot more!

We are working on some packaging for the wizard and they should wind up in some of the big box retailers and more existing disc golf outlets.
We have some verbal from interest form Target, Sports Authority and several other national corporations
The wizards wont be so hard to get one day real soon!!!!!!!!!!!

Does all of tis make sense to most of you?
If not please ask questions.

Are the flight plates that thin on CHiefs and E wizards, I love the S and never felt the same control in the E wizards and Chiefs? (thanks again for the inferno ;-) )

Are the flight plates that thin on CHiefs and E wizards, I love the S and never felt the same control in the E wizards and Chiefs? (thanks again for the inferno ;-) )



Higher end plastics are usually thiner in the flight plate.
The processing temperature and melt flows are quite different. Its not much but the E and E/h blends can be up to .005 thinner in every model.

Got myself another ace tonight with my wizard. After I was done with my round I unloaded all 5 wizards that are in my bag and just about hit another three aces. Man I love this disc.

I have been carrying a wizard for 8 months now. I have aced 4 times in that time but none were the wizard! which amazes me because it gets alot of throws from the tee. ALthough I have hit a bit of metal with them, they perfer to land underneath the basket. (I am still waiting for my first gateway ace, all 6 of my aces have been discraft, the first 3 when I carried mostly innova) I have "practice aced" with wizards, sabres, element-x's and elements though (If you counted 2nd, 3rd and 6th shots I would have over 30 aces. Ive played an empty course for a couple hours a day... for a year and a half...

I have 5 aces with Gateway since last November (3 Wizard 1 E Element 1 Blaze)

I have like three in real rounds in the past two years. I never hit aces though. :D

June '02 - Tourney Aced with a Demon G5i for ~$100, thanks in part to a very recent super windy T-storm that opened up a new hyzer route...that I took! :D

2 of my wizards have aces as well as one of my elements.

I have 5 aces with Gateway since last November (3 Wizard 1 E Element 1 Blaze(only tournament ace $98) )

I've only got two Gateway aces...and a ton of metal.

1 Element and 1 Wizard for aces.

Since putting the S-Element and E-Element in my bag, I have hit so much metal on holes that are 300 or less it's not even funny. I love the pin point accuracy of the Element.

Hey discchucker, what do you use your S Element for? I need something for long midrange turnovers, and while I can turn my E Element over, I'd like something I don't have to throw hard.

I use my S Element for long slow anhyzer shots. You can throw this disc with little to none hyzer and as it goes down the fairway it will turn over slowly. I have also hit about 10 trees like 50ft off the teebox the disc looks a little bad but still flys perfect.

I use it for both slow and quick midrange turnovers. I can throw it at about 60% and it will turn slowly...or I can dial it up a bit and have it turn fairly quickly. I have found it to be a very valuable disc on tight wooded courses.

That's exactly why I want it. Thanks guys; I think I'll be getting one soon.

I'm kind of surprised that more of the sponsored players don't throw it. I have been reaching for my S-Elements instead of my S-Sabres anymore. When I go out to the field, I can throw the same shot with an S-Element that I can with a beat up S-Sabre. My bag really has undergone quite a change lately.

I've been a comet thrower for a LONG time now, but have found the E-element a bit faster without much of a decrease in glide (I used to throw Z-Comets). Now, I'm looking at the S element to replace my older D comets.

I remember seeing an interview with Shultz on discgolf.tv, and heard him refer to his leopard as a "long roc." For me, I think of my element as a "long wizard." I can throw both on very similar lines, but I can get the element out there with much less effort.

I have been reaching for my S-Elements instead of my S-Sabres anymore.

Well this is not about a change but I actually never threw the S Sabres. I use my beat in E Sabre for a long turnover that I can't get the S Element to, or the E Sabre is also a good roller disc.

I would love S elements more if they would send me some... Justin told me they didnt have any which kind of bums me out..

I have 1 175g that I use a lot and i want a heavier one... :)

I used to have a Super Glow Element that was just so sweet. Can't wait for them to run some more of them.

hint...hint

I would love S elements more...



Now I feel better about never asking for them. Every time I'm out at a tournament and throw this disc I�ll tell myself if I lose this I will be in trouble, but always forget to ask for them. Having one of them in the box of disc I sell does help confidence a little need be I can buy it from myself.

I have decided that I prefer S ELX's beat in a little to the S element since the flight is more consistent :) just my thing I guess, I have some glow elx's that are money

Now that I think about it...how about some Super Glow Inferno's??? Ah yeah...

Hey Dave!
Just wanted to say thanks to Gateway for sponsoring the KY States tournaments over the weekend. You were listed in the tournament brochure as a sponsor, and Fred Salaz had a handful of Inferno's for people to test throw between rounds and after the tournament on Sunday. Neat disc - they like to be thrown high from what I can tell. A little flippy if you overdo it, but they kept going forward WAYYY after the point you'd think they would start to fall off. Feels good too - love the microdimples, very grippy.

From what I hear, they are also giving away a Gateway/Quest Oddysey disc as the players pack for a little unsanctioned DayGlo event here in Cincy on Saturday. Thanks a ton for supporting these smaller tournaments in one of the best places in the US to play disc golf! We all really appreciate it!

Still loving the Wizard, and I think the Scream might be a VERY underrated golf distance disc.

Keith

Thank you guys for letting us be involved with the event.
Too bad Kid and Anglea didnt stay and play.
I hope Fred keeps the ball rolling for us in the area. I know Dan's sales have picked up a lot of momentum lately.

David,
have you sent the Brick and Scorcher to the PDGA for approval?
What is the different between the Inferno and the Scorcher?

PS Did you find any Cyclops for me?

The Brick? I am assuming putt and approach?

The Brick? I am assuming putt and approach?



"Gateway introduces The Brick, an irreplaceable addition to your wind game. The Brick simply won't fly, regardless of the wind. Now you have a disc that sits down as soon as it leaves your hand. For 100% confidence in your shot outcome, drop The Brick on your opponents." :D:D

I hope its a putter.

"What was that?"
"A Brick."
"Yeah, I'll say!"

Hey Dave,

What are the prices on the Titan basket?

Can it be powdercoated or colored?

Can it come with a base and a wheel for portability or is it ground mount only?

Where can I get one?

I know I got alot of questions but from what I saw of the one at Bowling Green and all the good talk on the basket thread I want one to practice on.

from what I saw of the one at Bowling Green and all the good talk on the basket thread I want one to practice on.



For the first 8 days of Summer I was in St. Louis and putted on these baskets all the time. This is the only basket that I have never had a spit putt on I truely can't wait to see more of these at course. When you walk up seeing this basket you know its going to be a good putting day.

Hey Dave,

What are the prices on the Titan basket?

Can it be powdercoated or colored?

Can it come with a base and a wheel for portability or is it ground mount only?

Where can I get one?

I know I got alot of questions but from what I saw of the one at Bowling Green and all the good talk on the basket thread I want one to practice on.

Hey Dave [or anyone] how do the S sabres fly relative to the E sabres? are the S avaliable now? thx

S-Sabres fly very straight and true when brand new. They have very little fade at the end. The E-Sabres are very straight and true as well, but have a bit more late fade than the S. The S flies similar to a wizard in the aspect that it goes straight and when it falls out of the air, it is still straight. I prefer the E-Sabre over the S for the fact I can put a little more on the E.

A Sabre sounds like a great tunnel-hole driver. How much farther (or shorter) do your other Gateway drivers (each) fly in the open, respectively?
Illusions, Spirits, Blaze, Inferno, etc...

A Sabre sounds like a great tunnel-hole driver. How much farther (or shorter) do your other Gateway drivers (each) fly in the open, respectively?
Illusions, Spirits, Blaze, Inferno, etc...


The sabre is a great disc for tunnel shots. I throw mine about 330' straight on a line with no fade at all.

The Illusions and Spirits I get them both around 360-380'
Blaze and Element x I get them both around 300' with the Blaze having more fade.

Then the Inferno just bombs. I get it over 400' majority of the time.

Sabres for me I can throw straight and high to about 350-400, but rarely the 400ft shot. Elements I can throw about 325-350 consistently, wizards to 300-325

The illusion, Spirits I can get over 400 everytime distance line...

The inferno is still a disc that is a little too flippy for me but makes a great 50% straight disc. For distance with a favorable wind I can stretch this disc out past 425. Waiting for the more overstable version of this disc.

I'm not a sabre thrower, but I've talked with Dave about them, and he says they'll fly as far as anything on the market. The key with them, since they are a slower disc, is to get some elevation on them.
I do throw elementX's, and get them out to about 300. I can throw a slow turning S shot and get them 325, but my accuracy with that shot decreases quite a bit.
I like my element for straight shots with no fade around 250-260. I also use them for long approaches that have a very low ceiling. There's a downhil tunnel shot at 350 that I also use the element for. Personally, if I was playing 1 disc golf, this would be the disc.
As for the wizard, I can throw it 275 or so if I REALLY get on it. I'm more comfortable in the 225-250 range, depending on the conditions and the ceiling.

These are the molds that I carry in my bag.
Inferno: 350-400
Illusion: 350-375
Spirit: 330-350
Sabre: 300-330
Element: 250-300
ElementX: 250-300
Demon: 0-200
Wizard: 0-250

These are the molds that I carry in my bag.
Inferno: 380+
Spirit: 340-380
Sabre: 300-330
Speed Demon 300-330
Element 0-300
ElementX: 280-320
Blaze 0-270
Wizard: 0-260

These are the molds that I carry in my bag.
Inferno: 300-525
Illusion: 300-450
Spirit: 300-425
Sabre: 200-400
Blaze: 225-350
Element 150-350
Wizard: 0-325

Dave have you come up with anymore ideas to do on the myspace/youtube stuff? Also anything with the website or no?

Hey Dave,

What are the prices on the Titan basket?

Can it be powdercoated or colored?

Can it come with a base and a wheel for portability or is it ground mount only?

Where can I get one?

I know I got alot of questions but from what I saw of the one at Bowling Green and all the good talk on the basket thread I want one to practice on.


anyone got any info?

yea, I've got some info for you.............................


You need way more than a basket to help your game. :D:o

I can't answer much of your info...but I think right now, the only way to get one is to call the shop. As for powder coating, I don't think that they have that option right now.

Hey Dave,

What are the prices on the Titan basket?

Can it be powdercoated or colored?

Can it come with a base and a wheel for portability or is it ground mount only?

Where can I get one?

I know I got alot of questions but from what I saw of the one at Bowling Green and all the good talk on the basket thread I want one to practice on.


anyone got any info?


Didnt I send you a private mesage asking to email david@gdstour.com so I can send you the documents you need?

Please send me an e mail so I can get you pictures of the basket and the information.

We do not have a wheel!

Hey Dave, I used to throw sabres a year or so ago, and really liked them. I had the Clear Evolution (straigh urethayne), and could throw it very straight pretty low to the ground. I just tried one of my freinds sabres, and it's a bit more overstable than I remember it. Granted, it's 3 grams heavier, but it's also marked as a "sabre fx." Are there 2 sabre molds?

One is put on a fixture which makes it cool differently and makes then more overstable. These are marked as FXs.

Thanks scooter. Do you throw fx's or the normal ones? Also, are the fx's for people that throw the sabre harder, or are they meant for a different line than the normal?

They are meant fopr harder throwers and different lines I guess but I mostly use the regular ones.

I use the regular ones but I have some FX. Only threw the FX a few times so I don't know much about them.

I was wondering how the rage and the blurr coming along and how do they fly? One last thing, I recieved a few sabres recently (a few marked G1i and a few with the newer sword logo) and for some reason the G1i's go dead straight and the ones with the sword logo are very overstable. Has there been a change in the mold? (its not marked as the x version)

no changes in the mold, for some reason the latest runs are bit more overstable,the plastic the the bimb though and they are hard to break in.
Try finding an S sabre, most of the should still be STRAIGHT stable!

Thanks for the help with that.I'll probably call Justin B and get a few more. Is there and possibility that i can pick up a 10 meter brick and a rage

Has the new "scorcher" been approved? I can't wait to get my hands on one.

I dont think the scorcher or Brick has been sent off yet.
The first tooling of the scorcher was a bit too flippy and the 2nd tooling was too overstable.
The brick is VERY unique.

We have ran about 800 Evolution Blurrs last week.
We took out about 12 cubic CM out of the top side of the wing, MAN DO THEY LOOK and FLY FAST.
The first 400 were a bit domey and about the same stability as an E Illusion. The 2nd batch were Flatter and more flexible with less distance between nose and bead, making the less overstable, much closer to what we had in mind with this new top for the Illusion.
Both runs were pink( there were a few test prototyype runs but nothing that was good enough for full retail sale.
The flexibility between the 2 runs of pink is noticably different, all of the runs from here on out will be geared towards the fallte pink ones.. The latest run will flip up flat pretty early in the flight with decent power and the speed glide ratio is WAY up there, so they stay flat for a long long time before hyzer out.
We will get some stamped and ready to sell by tomorrow.

We gave some away in the players packs at the Frolfing Illini College team event in Centralia on Saturday.

I think we had 6 teams University of Ilinois, Purdue, Valpraiso, Western Illinois ( macomb) Western KY ( bowling green) and unversity of Wisconsin-Madison.


We hope to be running one again next spring.

Dave,

When we talked yesterday I was thinking about the site more as I look of ways to promote on myspace/youtube. What I noticed is under the disc on the left column of the page we don't have any of the new disc. Are we going to update that or leave it with the original disc and just put the new ones under questat?

Justin

Dave, I saw you post that you were going to introduce the Sabre DT. I was under the impression that the DT made a disc less stable. What would be the purpose of adding this technology to the Sabre?

Making the sabre straighter disc for new players and/or players with less arm speed? :)

I've been able to throw the sabre straight for a long time now. In fact, it used to be the straightest disc I had in my bag when I only threw 250. The sabre is pretty well suited for all player levels. What I've found is that it just flies farther now that my mechanics have improved.

How about having a more beat in sabre out of the box?

I still have my orignal sabre from last November. It is a perfect long anhyzer disc or roller. I carry a new one from long striaght shots and something I like to hyzer.

I was hoping the DT added a bit of speed or something without too much of a change in stability or something. While a less stable Sabre would be cool, I don't use my Sabre for long distance or even as my main driver; it's normally reserved for tunnel shots and things like that.

Well technically the dimples would provide more glide no?

I hope they use the small dimples like the ones on the Speed Demon DT. Im really liking the way they fly. It isnt quite as overstable as a regular SD, but when new they are still great in the wind. I have noticed a little bit of extra glide on the one thats slightly beat in. I have been throwing them a bunch lately.

Well technically the dimples would provide more glide no?



Don't think the current sabre is really lacking in that category. Maybe the DT will allow the sabre to be thrown on a hyzerflip line, therefore increasing it's distance.

Dave, Please tell me this "brick" is for real. I've often wished for a putter with absolutely no glide and that I could just hurl at the chains on windy days! If that's the case I'm in for at least one. Lemme know man.

When I think more glide I am thinking of more glide at a lower height for low ceilings :)

No more glide. Just less friction which translates into a slower deceleration. Which in turn increases distance.

Well put Todd.
I thought I made this post already.
The Dt wing for the sabre blaze Hybrid a demon will be less concave which should make it faster,
I'm think the biggest improvement for a pro will be on the Hybrid, but it should imporve the straight glide stabiity of all 4 models. The dimples will be similar to Golf ball dimples and not so much the niney comb shape of the scream DT.
I'm pretty excited to see exactly how well they perform.

I think the Blaze is going to be interesting.

They will all be interesting as well as performance enhancing :cool::cool::cool:

As with all discs I cant wait to give them a try!

Thanks Dave. So the dimples on the sabre aren't going to make it understable, just fly faster and on a straighter (if that's possible) line?

What I want to know is what have you done with Chris Boro? Haven't heard a peep out of him in months. Is he chained to the disc stamping machine down there in St. Louis? :eek:

He is working at a local injection molding company getting a paycheck and insurance and learning the ropes.
He also works for us part time and plays A LOT of disc golf. Endicott is 2 minutes from his house and is an awesome training ground.
He won an event a few weeks ago in Illinois.

It would be nice if someone back in Omaha could keep the Gateway ball rolling, chris did such a good job for us up there, is there a local club that we could do business with?

Hey-I have been using a wizard for about six months now. I finally found my putter-thanks I love this disc! I would like to add more Gateway plastic to my bag however not sure with what discs I need to start with. With you cranking out new discs seemily every week, I am not sure where I need to start. I use a Sidewinder as my main driver and get it out about 350', buzzes are my midrange & max out at 275' and can throw my Wizard about 240'. I don't have the snap for super stable stuff. Please advise! Thanks!!

Elements, Sabres, Element-X, Inferno, Speed Demon DT, any DT disc would be good.

E-hybrids are pretty nice also. They have had to replace my CE Leopard as my straight/slight turnover disc

E Element is a touch less stable than a Z Buzzz, E Element X is more stable than a Z buzzz, w/ both you would probably like them.
I would rather carry those two than just a Z buzzz any time. The element and element x are generally longer than a buzzz.

A lighter inferno would be more stable than your Sidewinder while a Scream DT would also be a good choice, its about as stable as a sidewinder, its kinda power dependent, the Scream DT was less stable than a sidewinder for me, but it is faster, so if you have less of an arm it will be more stable, either way its an under rated disc.

If you want a longer mid thats understable a good choice would be a S Element. I use this disc for all types of shots. Long anhyzer slow, sidearm shots to get me out of trouble, or a quick turn over in the woods.

I 2nd the element for the bag; I've got both an S and an E, find them very easy to get going, and can hold a variety of lines. You may also want to consider an S ElementX, which becomes a very very straight flyer when broken in. It's a tad longer than the element. The opaque E elementX's also tend to be pretty straight too, with the translucent ones being more overstable.
The sabre is a GREAT disc, but not a max d type disc for most people. Thrown low, it's a great tunnel driver, and judging by your power (it's pretty similar to mine), it would work in the 280-330 ish range for these types of shots.
I've also got an inferno in my bag, but I haven't become consistent enough to get it to outdistance my valkyries.

Hey-I have been using a wizard for about six months now. I finally found my putter-thanks I love this disc! I would like to add more Gateway plastic to my bag however not sure with what discs I need to start with. With you cranking out new discs seemily every week, I am not sure where I need to start. I use a Sidewinder as my main driver and get it out about 350', buzzes are my midrange & max out at 275' and can throw my Wizard about 240'. I don't have the snap for super stable stuff. Please advise! Thanks!!


Bernie,
Chris, Justin and the dirty kid all have good advice for you.
You would probably be surpised at how far you could throw an Inferno or a broken in Blurr ( new top for the illusion)!
The sabre is also a very underated disc and as versatile as a disc can get.
Learning to drive off the tee with a sabre will improve all aspects of your driving, from power to technique.

Do you train for disc golf by throwing in a field or do you just throw shots on a course?

BTW,
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