Well it turns over pretty easy for me. so I guess I will just stay away from the infernos.

I still have yet to throw one but even the inferno which may be flippy when thrown flat can be made to be a straight flyer with a lot of power.

Maybe something to do with the way you are throwing it? Or the line you are throwing it on?

Not saying the disc isnt what it is but I am not saying its all the thrower either.

BTW

Got my warlocks! Very very nice, got to do some putting with them. A little stiff but its not much of an issue, cant wait to try the Supersoft version. Now just waiting to try the RI, RI-DT, Scorcher etc etc....

I know I havnt talked to you yet dave but would it be worth calling quest once to go down there and check out the facility and maybe get some discs that way?

Yeah I know I put a lot of snap on my discs these days so I am not much of smooth thrower, but I would say it is as fast a wraith with a little more turn. I thought it turned over like an orc for me but I could tell it was faster.

what is the scorcher?

very overstable driver. All bead.

Still waiting on my warlocks dunno what happened to them. I have tried a lot of the other stuff. Just need to yet these and get some in the bag.

Saw 2 yesterday...nice!!

Love the stamp on the warlock, thanks for getting them out so quickly thats awesome! Thanks Dave and everyone @ gateway

Do any of the Gateway discs come in lighter (150-class) weights? I throw a lot of plastic in the 150-160gm range and would like to try gateway discs in that range.

I just switched to throwing all gateway discs and i love them i tied my round low at my faviorite course after only throwing some of the discs one round or so. I love the E elemet-x best midrange ever i can throw it around 350 or so thats aout 50 feet short of my drives. keep up the good work at gateway

Do any of the Gateway discs come in lighter (150-class) weights? I throw a lot of plastic in the 150-160gm range and would like to try gateway discs in that range.



Hey Alan they all do. you can just call the shop at (314) 487-5204 and ask for ten of whatever you want for $50. This is a misstamp deal but most aren't even really messed up. They may be low on a few molds but while I was up there this summer I came across 150s of every disc.

Thank you David Mccormick.

The warlock is the bomb. Holds a nice tight (read very freekin tight) line and so far seems to be money for those pesky putts inside the circle.
Three cheers for Dave

Gateway Gateway Gateway.

Hopefully I will get my warlocks before this weekend got a tournament and would to show them around at the tournament,

Gateway disc golf V/s Innova disc golf (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=innova+disc+golf&word2=gateway+disc+golf)

WOW!!!

Thx for the Putter's Gateway and staff! Look forward to testing them out a little more! Merry Christmas! and a Happy New Year! :cool:

Gateway disc golf V/s Innova disc golf (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=innova+disc+golf&word2=gateway+disc+golf)

WOW!!!

What is that?

Gateway disc golf V/s Innova disc golf (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=innova+disc+golf&word2=gateway+disc+golf)

WOW!!!

What is that?



Its google fight. Just a fancy way they have come up with to track internet search stats by keywords.

So it appears more people are looking for GDS than Innova.

Gateway disc golf V/s Innova disc golf (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=innova+disc+golf&word2=gateway+disc+golf)

WOW!!!

What is that?



Its google fight. Just a fancy way they have come up with to track internet search stats by keywords.

So it appears more people are looking for GDS than Innova.



maybe the word "gateway" is just that much more common. Try putting "Innova disc golf" against "Gateway disc golf", quotes included.

Innova: 53,800
Gateway: 499

Got in 2 glow warlocks today. Going to go text them out in a few mins.


Dave how different are the supersoft and the E compared to the Glow?

I tried it almost every way possible and we are still ahead in almost all search fights, most likely because people are just now finding out about gateway and are looking for info a on our new products.


Just to give disc golfers a reality check try Ice fishing against disc golf! :confused:

love elx, super control/good fade

Dave, I had a ELX in S plastic. It was flippy. Is the ELX in E plastic much more overstable?


Also, when are warlocks going to be distributed? I want one.

thanks

Quick answer to that YES

THe ELX in S plastic is pretty straight out of the box and beats in to a slow turner for me at least. The E can hold a straight line with HS or have more fade with LS, handles the wind better as well

E-ELX is what I throw, can rip it flat and place it right where it needs to go with the fade.

Ok sweet, you guys can get it out to 300?
I enjoy my E-EL for real flippy shots, but was not impressed with the S-ELX.

can't get anything out to 300 very often, which is why control is super-important

the E - ELX can handle some power. I can get mine out to 380 or so.

can't get my 180g to flip, even into a head wind, and can throw it almost as far as anything in my bag

the E - ELX can handle some power. I can get mine out to 380 or so.



If it was most anyone else, I would say I don't believe you. Sounds like I need one.

I dont have the super power of Mike but I can get the EL-X out to 350, and know a few more people that can pump them at least that far. Very consistent...

I vote for a name change though ;)

just got a raging inferno. it is the fastest disc i have thrown, but i only got a few throws with it, and will not be able to throw it again for a while. [snow] it has tons of dome. could someone give me their thoughts on how this disc flys for them? stability, comparisons, etc. thanks

Why's the snow stopping you? :D

Would you guys think enough time has past to use the Warrior as the name for the element-X?

Dave you know I think that enough time has passed and its a great idea...

I even mentioned the name to a friend and he had no idea there was ever a disc called the warrior. Most golfers wouldnt have a clue that there was ever a disc named Warrior...

I think there has been enough time because I had a guy ask about apache and chief but never the warrior

One question, compared to the original protos of the Blurr how do the current softer version fly? I think I got an answer before but just checking again... I will be throwing some that I just got tomorrow though.

has anyone given flight descriptions of the raging inferno and scorcher with comparisons to other discs? i looked back a few pages but did not see anything too exstensive. i have experience with the inferno. thanks

The Scorcher is super stable and the ri dont have enough throws with it to give good answer

One question, compared to the original protos of the Blurr how do the current softer version fly? I think I got an answer before but just checking again... I will be throwing some that I just got tomorrow though.



The softer blurrs are much easier for me (and my small arm) to flip up from a hyzer. However, I flexed one of those stiff ones like an H Illusion and turned it into a roller. I can't seem to do that with the softer one.

Would you guys think enough time has past to use the Warrior as the name for the element-X?



I would say change it to something different...I'm a big fan of the Element-X and I would rather it not get an older name that sounds really close to the wizard and warlock...how bout something different...I really liked the original idea of the different elements...maybe fire for the element-x and maybe do something with the DT on the element-x and the regular element mold to get the rest of the elements...my 2 cents!! :D

Found some distance today...

Got some of the softer Blurrs yesterday and these definately feel and fly different than the protos. I would say the proto is a slightly more overstable illusion while the current production blurr is a slightly less overstable illusion. I was able to find some D and get a few hyzer fliped to a great S curve for about 450 on a constistant basis! Yay for these wow... now if my protos could do the same, still great Straight distance of about 420 :)

Still loving the warlock DEAD STRAIGHT!!! Replacing my wizards for almost every shot... rivaling my SS for putts too! :eek:

Dave,

How does the normal sabre differ from the "844" sabre?

The sabres that are stamped 844 were from the 1st tooling 1998-99 and do not have the small bead they have a chamfer,,, they also have a thinner un-uniform flight plate and sharper nose.

The Sabres that have 844 written on the back are from a run of really expensive S material that is used for welding cables that has a flame retardant in it. they ch should have a little bit of a cherry smell?

if it is not stamped than it was just a run,,, there were also some Blazes stamped 844 circa 1999 that didnt have the bead and also some with writing on the back that were just a special run.

The time difference between the stamped and the hand written ones are about 5 or 6 years.

dave just a question, do you have any of the older milky white sabres? i had 2 and both of them are now in the water at winthrop.

dave just a question, do you have any of the older milky white sabres? i had 2 and both of them are now in the water at winthrop.



Still got that yellow one I gave you? I lost all mine :( Good luck on the older milky white ones... a little too hard to come by these days

Dave, make some more ;)

I traded a guy for one like 6 months back but it ended up being a flippy beast. It had a really messed up wing. :confused:

yes actually i do still have that yellow one. but i also have a tie dye one that is super flat. matt knows which one im talking about.

leave elx alone, name is cool, disc is great

Hey Dave whats the deal with the new infernos, not the raging infernos, more specifically the new yellow with black swirl E infernos and some of the other new ones that are stiffer in the rim and flight plate. They are the goods! finally I found overstable infernos. Oh yeah I'm in Tampa if that helps you track the plastic. JohnE wants some too.

Not sure about the H Yellow ones, we have some at the shop and they look domey.
None of us have test flown them yet.
We took the rough finish on the top of the Inferno out a little farther and I think it made them have more resistance to turn.
I should get out tomorrow to test fly a few so I have an educated answer.

We have had several people tell us that the latest runs were more overstable, I think its the micro dimple extension that is doing it.

The experimenting with surface technologies is proving to have a tremendous effect on the discs with both the DT on the rims and the Micor Dt on the tops. :cool::cool::cool:

I am anxious to get Dt technolgy on the Sabre and Hybrid!!!

leave elx alone, name is cool, disc is great


I agree the disc is great and every bit as good as a CE roc and more available BTW :)

BUT,,,,,
We have a hard time getting new retail stores to order both the element and element X, they just figure it is the same discs, that is why we want to change the name!
how does bullet sound?

Call it a > Boulder <...... ;) :cool:

the sorcerer, the sorcerers apprentice? - cygnus- as in cygnus x-1 the x-ray source, the chimera - a fire breathing monster in greek myth, also a creature made up of diverse parts

definitely the chimera, ties in with the illusion - and the hybrid

Is it true that you are discontinuing the Speed Demon??

Already happened. It is now the Speed Demon DT. Also the spirit is just as overstable.

we added a dimple technology rim, because it flew just like the spirit for 95 % of all disc golfeers.
have t you thrown the Speed Demon DT yet?
Weve only n made about 300 and they went pretty fast, they were a brick red/maroon type color on a softer E blend!

So I guees there are no more regular speed demons except some x-outs laying around the shop and super flat crazy overstable ones!

we added a dimple technology rim, because it flew just like the spirit for 95 % of all disc golfeers.
have t you thrown the Speed Demon DT yet?
Weve only n made about 300 and they went pretty fast, they were a brick red/maroon type color on a softer E blend!

So I guees there are no more regular speed demons except some x-outs laying around the shop and super flat crazy overstable ones!



On that note I would like two more of the SD-DTs in that plastic if there are any around. That disc is nice and is less HSS then I usually think. I throw it thinking that it will hyzer because it is a "speed demon" but it just goes straight. :D

Matt we will probabaly wait to run them when we run the Blast DT which is the Blurr top on the Speed demon-Dt wing and re-release it under the auto ship program.

I still have 2 orginal Speed Demons for sale both are dyed one has the weight and the other doesnt

One of them is super floppy but they are both the flat topped.

I also have 2 of the Speed Demon Dt

You know...after getting out and playing some last night...there really is nothing like a milky white e-sabre. These things are so controllable and dead straight. Man I love this disc.

So I guees there are no more regular speed demons except some x-outs laying around the shop and super flat crazy overstable ones!



I'll take some of those super flat crazy overstable ones, please... :)

Email me at [email protected] and Ill send you a ST Louis schedule. we have an Ice Bowl on Sunday you could pick up a few in person!

You know...after getting out and playing some last night...there really is nothing like a milky white e-sabre. These things are so controllable and dead straight. Man I love this disc.



too bad there are none left, i lost all 5 i had, :(

I have 1 teal and 2 dyed one left

this is possible

too bad there are none left, i lost all 5 i had, :(



Have you tried ebay? I can't tell if this is one or not... (http://cgi.ebay.com/GATEWAY-EVOLUTION-SABRE-DISC-GOLF-DRIVER-176G-LSDiscs_W0QQitemZ130054274461QQihZ003QQcategoryZ79 804QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)

Can Gateway make some more?

I think that stability due to the milky white plastic was an anomaly (kinda like the orange E Elements in my bag); I think Dave is going to make a straight E sabre by using dimple technology. Having thrown some of the RI DT's, I think the sabre has great potential with DT.

too bad there are none left, i lost all 5 i had, :(



Have you tried ebay?
I can't tell if this is one or not... (http://cgi.ebay.com/GATEWAY-EVOLUTION-SABRE-DISC-GOLF-DRIVER-176G-LSDiscs_W0QQitemZ130054274461QQihZ003QQcategoryZ79 804QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)



That is not one.

too bad there are none left, i lost all 5 i had, :(



Have you tried ebay?
I can't tell if this is one or not... (http://cgi.ebay.com/GATEWAY-EVOLUTION-SABRE-DISC-GOLF-DRIVER-176G-LSDiscs_W0QQitemZ130054274461QQihZ003QQcategoryZ79 804QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)



That is not one.



Definately not... :)

You are correct Mark,
No the milky white ones were kind of translucent.
This is a solid white one from the run this spring.
The plastic in both is incredible, it was just the milky ones were less overstable ( straighter) for some reason, but had the same amount of resistance to turn.

We are going to work on another run like those soft flat milky ones and will eventually add a less concave wing and even a dimpled wing.
The new golf ball dimple like technology on the raging inferno DT is really making the disc very controllable and the glide is awesome!
The Dt on the Sabre. blaze and Hybrid will surely make these discs faster and less overstable.

Cant wait to give the hybrid dt a try, seems that would be a mighty sweet disc if it turns out :)

your right I had the DT in mind when I built the Hybrid top!

I was wondering how overstable the scorchers is? Whats a disc it could be compared too?

Cant wait to give the hybrid dt a try, seems that would be a mighty sweet disc if it turns out :)



I'll second that. Also, if the E Sabre DT turns out like those straight milky white E Sabres, that would be cool :).

Dave,
I got the infernos - they turned out awesome!
Thanks.
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/inferno//yellow2.jpg
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/inferno/yellow.jpg
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/inferno/red.jpg
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/inferno/blue.jpg
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/inferno/black.jpg

i would sell my soul for a box of those milky white ones...
if they get run again (flat tops same soft white plastic) that would be the highlight of my life.

i second that! definately would be the highlight of my life

Also I have a few soft flat hybrids, which were basically the retooled hybrid in a milky white but opaque plastic. It seemed the thing these two discs had in common where they were flat, and of a relatively soft material, had a ton of speed but retained the glide.

We are trying to decide what stamp to put on the Glow proto Warlocks. we are going to start an Art contest soon, but for now,,,,,
You guys have any suggestions on which of our current stampps to use?

Steal your face with dancing bears?
Jerry Garcia?


Yes, please! I think these stamps are especially fitting since the Dead were originally known as The Warlocks :D


sleepy



I'm all for a Jerry Garcia stamp on the Warlocks, but not the same cartoonish stamp that's been used in the past.

http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/prodimages/wizard_glow_jg_big.jpg

There are much better likenesses of Jerry out there.

With regards to the Ice Bowl Infernos, these are reported as stable as compared to previous runs of Infernos. Did they come out of the mold this way? Is it possible these are actually Raging Infernos?

From another message board:

i field tested one of the ice bowl infernos and it seemed stable to me. with slight annie it has real good glide. maybe there are different versions of this disc but the ice bowl discs are not hyzer flips, at least not the one i tried out (170 blue)

Jeff I would say most Inferno's fall into just about the same stability category.
It is probably the most stable ( straight) flying high speed driver over the widest range of launch velocities.

You cant really base too much on what is posted, unless you know the poster personally.
There is so much that goes into a flight like velocity, rotation, trajectory not to mention angles of release and off axis rotation.
the Inferno is a straight flying High speed driver for the widest range of players I have ever thrown, regardless of the color or run!


We have sent players overstable Speed demons and they have sent them back saying the were too flippy.
One mans hyzer is another mans turnover.
Buy and throw a disc for your self or borrow one and throw it. This is really the only way to know for sure about a disc.

I know the guy well - we have played together for about ten years. He probably throws a little farther than me, so if he's got an Inferno that's stable, then that's far different from what I've experienced. I'm just wondering if this run of Ice Bowl Infernos are known to be more stable.

Hey Dave, any chance of an Inferno-like disc with a narrower rim? I'm finding the Inferno rim is too wide for my stubby fingers. Combined with the rounded off inner rim, I just can't get a good grip. I really like the flight of the disc though...the gyroscopic effect is obvious.

-E

Eric,
Because of the shallow rim on the Raging inferno and Raging Inferno-DT it may give you the impression the rim is more narrow! You might want to try one of them!

Hey Dave,

I have a light blue could be called teal super soft Wizard. It's really really floppy. I've tried every other color super soft wizard and they seem hard compared to this one. Do you have any in the color I'm talking about? Can you run any more off?

Hey Dave,

I have a light blue could be called teal super soft Wizard. It's really really floppy. I've tried every other color super soft wizard and they seem hard compared to this one. Do you have any in the color I'm talking about? Can you run any more off?



How did you get a George Smith Wizard? Dave makes a few wizards in that plastic that are really soft and domey for George and that sounds like what you got.

Hey Dave,

I have a light blue could be called teal super soft Wizard. It's really really floppy. I've tried every other color super soft wizard and they seem hard compared to this one. Do you have any in the color I'm talking about? Can you run any more off?



I get amazed at how many players want really super soft putters.
I can guarantee you guys the next time I run wizards I will run the softest most flexible ones we can.
It should be in about 2 weeks,,,, Hold on they are coming and the will be super soft!!!!!!!!

We are thinking about making a new top for the wizard that wont get thicker out by the rim in the flight plate so we can make floppy Flyerz in araser type plastic, maybe even have a thumb trac!

Do you guys think there is a need for a flatter wizard with a thumb trac??

Do you guys think there is a need for a flatter wizard with a thumb trac??



I would have to say no to this question. I would say there is a greater need for a new midrange versus a flatter wizard. But that's just me. I am sure the opinions will be mixed on this one.

But I'm sure you already knew my answer. ;)

Bring those supersoft wizards to the MPPP on Feb. 3rd. That would have been great if the ice bowl stamped wizards could have been supersofts.

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I would have to say no to this question. I would say there is a greater need for a new midrange versus a flatter wizard. But that's just me. I am sure the opinions will be mixed on this one.


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Leave the wizard alone its a great disc how it is.

I just traded for an H/E blend spirt and man its really soft hasanyone thrown these?

Thanks for the reply Dave. When you do run those how will I get a hold of some? If they are really super soft I'd like about five of them. Could you just ship them to JohnE and Jen McCray? I like them fold up and put in your back pocket soft....would they be close to that?

As far as modifying the Wizard, in my opinion I think the design is pretty sweet how it is. I think the Wizard is the most popular putter out right now. I've talked to so many players that when you ask them what they throw they reply "All Innova....and a Wizard". So that would be a keep it how it is for me, but super gummy and floppy of course :D

keep the wizard how it is.

I just traded for an H/E blend spirt and man its really soft hasanyone thrown these?



I have thrown these. They were from a run probably about a year or so ago. Is yours kind of a green color? They are super grippy.

Dave, I picked up two 172 gram glow warlocks with a greatful dead stamp on them, at a tounament last weekend and I LOVE THESE PUTTERS! Great Job. Please keep making these!

I would definitely love a Gateway putter with a thumb trac....something similar to a rhyno in some super soft plastic would be money....similar to a old Super soft SE Rhyno would be the ticket...If no one else wants this made you can make one especially for me lol :D ;) ;)

keep the wizard how it is.


I agree. Now if you want to use the Wizard mold as the basis for new designs, like the Warlock and the Mage, then by all means please do! :D


sleepy

I like my SS chalky, grippy, but not floppy. The spring motion seems like it gives an inconsistant hieght on release. I wouldn't mess with them if i were you, Dave. But then again, if you did, I would still order some of those SSS for playing catch (speaking of which, Id like to add some more stuff (magic plus other stuff) to my order-I'll call the shop tomorow (I called to add some magic to my order- hope it did't go out yet!- If you feel like checking, Im Dave M from MI- also, Im the one who you PM'd about Iron Byron in response to my post about a year ago. Im in a test lab now that has a pretty sweet machine shop).

Think you can get that grippy ss material in a specific gravity below 1 AND be supper soft and grippy to make the best water disc invented? If you still have the old thicker flight plate mold and opened it up alot, you could get enough material in it to make a decent golf wt (like 170, heck, you could take it up to 175 even).

Im Dave M from MI


SUUU-PER DAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE!! :D


sleepy

I guess I should have made my post a little more clear.
we will not be changing the Wizard mold.
I am talking about a NEW top that will drop off as the core does so that the flight plate is a uniform thickness.
the way the flight plate thcens up to .095 at the outer most part by the wing doesnt allow for really flexible runs without warping the center.
I am atlking about a slsightly thicker to so we can run goey butter cake plastic in the mix! :confused: :confused: :cool::cool:

Mage sounds cool!

Murph,
I will make sure to bring the SS to the springfield event.
are you coming down this weekend for our 2 Icebowls here in St Louis??

Dave, I have sent you like 4 e-mails since the last one you sent and have not heard anything from you. Are you getting them? Or just not replying?

Murph,
I will make sure to bring the SS to the springfield event.
are you coming down this weekend for our 2 Icebowls here in St Louis??



I'll be coming down for Jefferson Barracks if the ice-warning doesnt stop us..

has anyone trown the Scorcher how dose it compare to other gateway discs like a blurr or a rage?

Scorcher is sick stable and has a big bead

Dave,

Tell us all about the Titan Portable we will be slammin' at the PrairieLand... What are its best features?

Trotter
SDGC

Scorcher is sick stable and has a big bead



Big bead is an understatement. It's like a small wall on the rim.

Anyone know how Johhny McCray's knee is doing. Looked pretty bad at the players cup? HOpe heza doin better!

Dave, I have sent you like 4 e-mails since the last one you sent and have not heard anything from you. Are you getting them? Or just not replying?




Haven't received an email from you in several weeks.
the address id [email protected]

Send me a fresh one or call to figure out why they are not going through!

Dave, I have sent you like 4 e-mails since the last one you sent and have not heard anything from you. Are you getting them? Or just not replying?




Haven't received an email from you in several weeks.
the address id [email protected]

Send me a fresh one or call to figure out why they are not going through!


You've got mail.....It's not SPAM! (from Futurama)

Hey Dave, I was playing my second round in a tournament the other weekend and my favorite soft wizard cracked. It was kinda odd the way it cracked. It cracked right in the center of the disc where the stamp is. I was just wondering if this is somthing common with wizards or if this type of crack is somthing that you have not seen with a wizard before.
It all worked out perfectly though, because with my winnings from the tournament I picked up two sweet warlocks. Also, are warlocks approved for sanctioned PDGA play?

Also, are warlocks approved for sanctioned PDGA play?



I second that, and the same question about the Rage is it approved?

Just got a sweet 175 red E rage and an E demon, also red at the Fabulous Florida Stop in Miami. Never knew there were E demons, But I'm glad I do now, Good job on both. I'm amazed that the E demons are a little less stable than SorH ones, they hold a line for quite a while. The rage is awesome and I can't wait for it to get worked in. Could you do a run of E illusions in the white E plastic again?please,please. Or a run in the white E plastic from the White raging inferno dt's(amazing by the way)? oh and as long as I am asking make a JohnE or GG stamp. They deserve it.

Just got a sweet 175 red E rage and an E demon, also red at the Fabulous Florida Stop in Miami. Never knew there were E demons, But I'm glad I do now, Good job on both. I'm amazed that the E demons are a little less stable than SorH ones, they hold a line for quite a while. The rage is awesome and I can't wait for it to get worked in. Could you do a run of E illusions in the white E plastic again?please,please. Or a run in the white E plastic from the White raging inferno dt's(amazing by the way)? oh and as long as I am asking make a JohnE or GG stamp. They deserve it.



JohnE already has one. :D

good point the demon face /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif but yah know somethin for tha kid. Who by the way set a course record in the final round of the miami tourney this weekend he shot an 8 down to catch Climo and tie....but lost on the playoff after ummmm a questionable ruling by the champ. GG will be the man soon everyone better watch out.

Dave once I get the SN stamp up and running could I get my stamp?

are the rages available yet?

Only 50 rage were sent out, they are not pdga approved and were sent out by Mistake.
I also sold a few on Ebay and will again, its part of our promotional effort.
We will not be releasing the Rage for about 6-10 weeks.
It will be part of our auto ship program.

We want to make sure we market and hype the new releases this year before they are released.

The Warlock and Rage are not odga approved yet.
The warlocks should be ready to ship within 2 weeks and will be sent off for pdga approval next week.

Both discs are sweet and a great additiion to our line-up.

I agree GG and Johnny are 2 of our greatest promoters of our discs and both had awesome years last year.
It looks like they are at it agian already!

believe the hype the RAGE is all that.

a more user friendly spirit is the best tag I can come up with.

The Rage may the best Gateway Driver that I have ever thrown. Many are good but the Rage is my favorite. The Rage is fast, controllable; it has good glide, and GREAT forward penetration. Mine are <font color="red">RED</font>. Keep making them and please push the release date up. I want to use them in a tournament.
-S. Wells

Demon -> Speed Demon...Raging Inferno -> Rage
STOP the madness! Ur, keep up the good work!! :D

Demon -> Speed Demon...Raging Inferno -> Rage
STOP the madness! Ur, keep up the good work!! :D



thats funny, the day I got my rages I opened the box there were 2 s demons, 2 E demons, 2 E rages, and 2 Blurs...

everything but the Blurs have the same demon face stamp... I assumed the reages were raging infernos since I had not heard of the rage at that time...

Now I have to say Rage is really my goto driver for anything 300-400 I dont have to throw it as hard as the spirit to get the same flight, and it is super predictable... now there is only one bug to work out on the rage... it nees a bigger spirit skip.

Q are you saying the demon face was on the rages too>??

Dave,

What disc would you recommend as a forehand roller?

I would really only recommend using a forehand roller if you are in trouble in the woods or scrambling out of a bad lie.
side arms and forehands will mess up you elbo and limit your years of playing.

If you have to throw a sidearm roller drive I would reccomend a blurr or illusion for distance and a Hybrid or sabre or Element for controlled mid-range stufff and of course a Wizard ( they roll much r farther than you think!)

and of course a Wizard ( they roll much r farther than you think!)

My beat to hell medium (aka money wizard) is my get out of trouble flick roller. I think all the extra weight on the rim helps keep it standing. (its perfect for turning corners and such out from under the big pines here in CO )

I throw quite a few get out of trouble flick rollers with my wizard. Thanks for the info Dave. Has Justin sent that package to me?

You changed your mind so many time on what else you wanted I forgot what it ws.
Just email [email protected] and tell justin what else you needed ( no Warlocks please)

Q are you saying the demon face was on the rages too>??



Yessir I called Justin and had him send me some E demons I assumed he stamped all the blank stuff.

what stamp was on the rest of those? and are there any more to be had?

I have used the Element and Illusion for forehands in the past. And I gotta side with Dave...throwing forehand can really mess up your elbow.

You changed your mind so many time on what else you wanted I forgot what it ws.
Just email [email protected] and tell justin what else you needed ( no Warlocks please)




Haha. Yea, that happens :). I'll wait for now as there's too much snow on the ground to be playing right now anyways. When you look at creating the flatter winged sabre and Hybrid, I'll be quite interested.

Chris have you ever thrown a 150 E hybrid?

Chris have you ever thrown a 150 E hybrid?



No. I don't believe I've ever seen one. Also, Justin did send me back my discs with a couple of hybrids, including an S. Unfortunately, it's white, and I've got to wait until all this snow melts (whenever that will be). But it does feel sweet. He also sent me a Hybrid EFX, and when I was flexing it to break it in, it ripped! It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen...

The orang Blurr is definitely the best gateway discs for forehand rollers....

My hard proto blurr has been flexed like an H illusion and makes a SICK backhand roller. The rim is a bit too big for a forehand roller for me though. I think I'll stick with a stiffer blaze or hybrid for those shots.

Chris are you willing to throw a 150 E Hybrid?
Do you currently use any 150 class?

I currently use no 150 class, but I'd be willing to give it a try. Do the 150 Hybrids still have a resistance to turn?

Dave have you ever considered doing a dome for the hybrid like you did for the blurr (illusion) and rage (spirit)?

I have two Spirits, around 125grams with a great resistance to turn!!

I have 2 similarly-weighted Speed Demon DTs that are also surprisingly hi-speed stable. Jost don't throw 'em hard overhand, though. Corkscrew city!

Dave, can you compare the flight of a max weight hybrid to a 150 hybrid?

I have 2 similarly-weighted Speed Demon DTs that are also surprisingly hi-speed stable. Jost don't throw 'em hard overhand, though. Corkscrew city!



The Speed Demon-DT isn't very beefy anyway.

Dave, can you compare the flight of a max weight hybrid to a 150 hybrid?



I remember the 150g hybrids being a little overstable.

I wold say the flight is quite similar to the milky white Sabres, only they weigh 150grams.
the plastic feels the same as well.
We only ran about 150 of them, they are either white yelow or green.

Hi Dave,

I apologize if this has already been answered, but between this thread and the two Warlock threads, I couldn't find it if it was.

I've already requested a few of the early test-run Warlocks (the ones with the Dancing Bears stamp), and given my purchase/shipping info to Justin at the shop. Do you have an estimate as to when you'll start filling orders for regular customers? I'm sorry if I sound like a pest, but I feel like a kid who knows a few months early what he'll be getting for Christmas! :D

Thanks,

sleepy

I'm pretty sure its going to be the 22nd don't keep me accounted for that date though.

We should be shipping out the discs by the middle of next week. If you are not part of the Auto ship program you can either buy one from one of our wholesalers or wait 4 weeks until we releases them to the general public.

Minimum participation in the Auto-Ship Program is only 20 discs @ $4.80 plus shipping so thats around $105.00.
You can drop out go up or go down in the program at anytime.

discs can also be sent back after 60 days trading out for previously released models.

If anyone needs all the info on how to get in on the Auto ship program email me at [email protected]

I already have mine....

...and it is sweeet.

It glows at night and swims upstream, and crashes the chains with a sound like...BLING!

And the Dancing Bears are nice too...

....but I hate being reminded of Jerry... :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm9Hgafjug

Jim
Good work on the your you tube promotion!!
Is that A Titan portable Pro-24 catching all the shots???

Yo Dave,you have mail!

Deano... :cool:

Why... yes Dave, it is a Titan portable Pro-24 catching all the shots...

And do you notice the minimal spit outs and how the red dipped top and bottoms frame the target so well...

If I am not mistaken some of those Titan portable Pro-24 baskets will be available for sale at the upcoming MPPP in Springfiedl on 2/3/2007 direct from GDS, is that correct?

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:oit looks like we have some guys coming:
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David
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one more if kid comes
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Here is the link to the pre-registration page:

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Jim,
I talked with a few more guys today about coming up.
There seems to be a lot of interest, but it is the dead of winter and we usually get WAY more golfers on Saturday then Sunday. A lot of guys that play disc golf events work on Saturday!
I'm not sure if any will preregister, is their a discount for preregistering or a lte fee for not?

They would get a buck of the one mulligan that can be bought if they pre-registered... Pre-Registering makes it easier on us to have the players packs ready. If they are coming up Friday night... they get the $50.00 hotel rate by clicking on the logo on our website... Remember, one room on Friday Night and one room on Saturday night will be compt by the VP of Marketing for Microtel from the registered players staying at the hotel.

Any of the new stuff that is out compare to the Speed Demon?

The closest thing to the Speed Demon will be the Spirit. They are very similar in flight pattern.

Tokyo,
Have you thrown both the Spirit and Speed demon in E plastic?
In the middle of summer we changed the wing on the speed demon, adding Dimple technology or DT.
We only ran about 300, mostly a dark brick red and less than 10 Orange.
The Speed demon DTs fly like a broken in Spirit right out of the box. Once we get them up and running this spring we should be able to get some really straight flying ones.

If you like the overstableness of the older Speed demons I would stick with the spirits.

We will eventually add DT technology to all of our models.
The sabre and Hybrid will both emerge as bot Tee-birdisc!!!

I finally figured out how to throw an inferno and know i know what all the talk is about. I just throw in with a huge hyzer angle around 65 degrees and higer then my normal drives on a good drive with an inferno thier going around 450. The discs flight is awsome i love it now. you do need some space to bomb it though. and also what color of infernos are more stable.

..Hey Tim, I told you so... :cool:

the black ones i have thrown are the money ones.

I finally figured out how to throw an inferno and know i know what all the talk is about. I just throw in with a huge hyzer angle around 65 degrees and higer then my normal drives on a good drive with an inferno thier going around 450. The discs flight is awsome i love it now. you do need some space to bomb it though. and also what color of infernos are more stable.



Just get a RI-DT. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think the Spirit's are twice as stable as the Speed Demon's were.

Tim,
there is a run of hot pink we have at the shop that is from the latest run.
I was told by m Nikko and Boro that they are a bit beefier than other runs, but I haven't thrown them yet.

Billy ho, you get your box yet
??

Jarred, you coming up for the 2 c tiers?

Doink,
depending on the run either could be more overstable, the flatter the tops the more overstable.


Scooter,
We are going to make a RI-DT with a little beefier nose and thicker flight plate and are looking for a new name for it.

I really like the white RI-DT's its they fly like a cross between a Blurr and a rage. The other colors seem flippy in windy conditions.
What color are you throwing?

Tim,
there is a run of hot pink we have at the shop that is from the latest run.
I was told by m Nikko and Boro that they are a bit beefier than other runs, but I haven't thrown them yet.

Billy ho, you get your box yet
??

Jarred, you coming up for the 2 c tiers?

Doink,
depending on the run either could be more overstable, the flatter the tops the more overstable.


Scooter,
We are going to make a RI-DT with a little beefier nose and thicker flight plate and are looking for a new name for it.

I really like the white RI-DT's its they fly like a cross between a Blurr and a rage. The other colors seem flippy in windy conditions.
What color are you throwing?



I have a <font color="red">RED</font> but a white would be nice. :D

what is the difference in stability for the RI and the RI-DT? I have 2 RI that are orange and they are a little less stable than the pink Blurrs I had been throwing. I would think the RI-DT would be less overstable than the RI and that would put it close to the stability of an Inferno (Or I got two RI that are mutant) I threw them both and at 90-100% I was throwing them 25-30 feet high with just a little hyzer they were popping up flat at about 60 feet and slowly turning right to about 350 then slowly fading back to finish about the same line they started at 400+. I would call it a super fast long range stable driver.

I think the Spirit's are twice as stable as the Speed Demon's were.



I dont think so at all i think a spirt is like a monster X and a speed demons are like a monster xxxxx thier so crazy overstable thiers really no comparsion

Its all about cruise speed, if you dont have the arm to get the speed demon to "speed" then it will fly like a lawn dart. (this is why a flick is overstable, or why a wraith can be genuinely flippy for some, and overstable for others)

I have thrown spirits (white, rubbery feel) that turned roller angles into spike hyzers

I have now thanks to Jared. He gave me a Spirt at the Ice Bowl yesterday and I played with it today, and I loved it. Finally a disc I can forehand roll, two finger with, and spike hyzer with. Thanks Jared.

what is the difference in stability for the RI and the RI-DT? I have 2 RI that are orange and they are a little less stable than the pink Blurrs I had been throwing. I would think the RI-DT would be less overstable than the RI and that would put it close to the stability of an Inferno (Or I got two RI that are mutant) I threw them both and at 90-100% I was throwing them 25-30 feet high with just a little hyzer they were popping up flat at about 60 feet and slowly turning right to about 350 then slowly fading back to finish about the same line they started at 400+. I would call it a super fast long range stable driver.



The RI-DT I threw was more overstable then the regular one I threw. I think the RI-DT is like an Orc with a tighter flight path. In a tailwind it was really beefy and flippy in a headwind though.

I think the Spirit's are twice as stable as the Speed Demon's were.



I don't think so at all i think a spirit is like a monster X and a speed demons are like a monster xxxxx their so crazy overstable theirs really no comparison(edited)



Tim,
I had posted that depending on the dome of either disc, one could be more overstable than the other.
There are Spirits that are flat and made in Clear Urethane that even after 30 direct throws into a concrete wall, they are still overstable.
We didn't release them because they are so overstable that it makes your car pull to the left if its in the car!
:confused: :D:confused: :D

I think the Spirit's are twice as stable as the Speed Demon's were.



I don't think so at all i think a spirit is like a monster X and a speed demons are like a monster xxxxx their so crazy overstable theirs really no comparison(edited)



Tim,
I had posted that depending on the dome of either disc, one could be more overstable than the other.
There are Spirits that are flat and made in Clear Urethane that even after 30 direct throws into a concrete wall, they are still overstable.
We didn't release them because they are so overstable that it makes your car pull to the left if its in the car!
:confused: :D:confused: :D



Are there any left at the shop Dave? I know I threw a lot of stuff into a regrind box but I don't know about those. If so I may get one just to have. :D

We didn't release them because they are so overstable that it makes your car pull to the left if its in the car!
:confused: :D:confused: :D



Dave's right...I have a clear e-spirit in my car and it's always making my car hyzer into oncoming traffic. :D:D:D

if you couldn't release them, then i want one. always need more overstability for trick shots. love them tricksies.

frankly, i was hoping for more overstability when you sent me those super flat speed demons (still love 'em). if you can find any of those clear spirits, that might do it for me...

if you couldn't release them, then i want one. always need more overstability for trick shots. love them tricksies.

frankly, i was hoping for more overstability when you sent me those super flat speed demons (still love 'em). if you can find any of those clear spirits, that might do it for me...



Belive me they aren't what you are looking for. 100ft max and no accuracy at all because you never know how they will skip.

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that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for!!!!!!! :D :D

not for backhands ;)

This is the one that makes my car hyzer all the time. Isn't this a beauty? 174g of hyzery goodness.
http://www.stickitdg.com/g2/d/4722-2/espirit.jpg

i dont have a picture of mine, but matt has seen it....i had someone dye mighty mouse on it. the dying process made it more overstable than it was to begin with...i love it!!

I think the Spirit's are twice as stable as the Speed Demon's were.



I dont think so at all i think a spirt is like a monster X and a speed demons are like a monster xxxxx thier so crazy overstable thiers really no comparsion

In my opinion it's like this.....Speed Demon = Firebird L.........Spirit = Firebird X

there are some spirits that come out less stable, but in my experiences the flight characteristics are very similar. i like my spirits better though. speaking of which....you try out that clear one yet bubba?

What clear disc?

sorry the tie dyed clear spirit

Been hereing alot of good things about gateway disc, and after playing a round with John McCray at the USDGC and seeing him throw these disc i want to get some and start throwing them to see if they are for me. I throw innnova mostly, what compares to a good tuned roc, wraiths and road runners, what do i need to make that switch.

Tim Keith
pdga 17661

Element's are money!

TEAM SOLSTICE BABY. i got second at the icebowl to coda yesterday by the way. i called you saturday night and sunday morning, i was hoping you were planning on not going cause i couldnt't get a hold of you

Yea Saturday night was a llloooonnngggg night, so I said forget it.

But I went and played Sunday at Dolese and shot -1 after I aced hole #1..LOL

A tuned roc would be an element. A wraith would compare to a blurr or raging inferno.

thanks for the info going to buy some and try them out

TK

lol thats awesome....i shot a twelve with 2 missed from 15 and in....terrible...lost by one. it was nice out today....i might be able to come pick you up tomorrow if you wanna play

What time tomorrow?

Hey I got an Ace at the Ice Bowl!!

I got an ace at our ice bowl with an element x then aced the acepot throw off with my putter. Back to back days bringing home the ace pot. Got 3rd on Saturday and 1st Sunday. So it was a fun chilly weekend to play golf.

The warlock was for sure a helper. Most the round my hands were to cold to grasp the E wizard but the warlock had the perfect grip in the cold and did what I needed it to all the time.

around 2:30 i will call you

sorry the tie dyed clear spirit

http://a448.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/m_97cb6dd172a172c9f1d797234cdf18b7.jpg

around 2:30 i will call you

Ok.

man I had such a sweet clear spirit dyed red with a kick ***** wizard and I lost it the first time I took it out.

Super-Q,
Are you dying discs yourself?

I probably have some discs you can dye.

i was wondering if someone can tell me the difference between the scorcher and the raging inferno.

i was wondering if someone can tell me the difference between the scorcher and the raging inferno.



Once I get mine I will give you my best informed opinion :)

thanks. i ordered a raging inferno because i really like the other 2. the scorcher is intriguing though.

the scorcher has a REALLY big bead. i can't handle it. hurts my fingers when i throw.

with that said, i like the flight. overstable enough to handle pretty much any headwind, but doesn't have the extreme fade of the spirit or speed demon (or rage, so i hear), so you get milder skips.

retards for brains is right. The bead on them is pretty big and the disc is pretty overstable.

The scorcher is very similar to a RAM!
Domey but with a concave wing,
Quest is running a new plastic in their molds it seems to be a LOT closer to our E now.
It is fairly flexible, but still has the subtle dome and is really durable, with a lot of memory!
Feels really good in the hand even in cold weather they were not getting stiff, its pretty high end Urethane.

Is there any chance you would do a run of wizards in that "REAL" S.S.plastic? You know the ones that warped after you used them, they got to look like Mojo's! I only have a few left and that is my only putter I trust!

Dave, so does that mean that Quest is now running RI's and RI DT's in this new plastic?

Dave, is the Warlock approved yet?

is the warlock like the aviar???

is the warlock like the aviar???



I hope so because they are discontinuing the Aviar. :p

is the warlock like the aviar???


Even if the Warlock was an exact clone of the Avair, (which I'm sure it's not) I'd still throw the Warlock because Gateway's S plastic is the shiz. :D


sleepy

is the warlock like the aviar???



Sure. They're both putt and approach discs. :) It's similar to a beadless aviar in the fact that it's more prone to turn over and has less low speed stability than it's beaded counterpart.

I let a friend of mine feel one of my warlocks, and he uses omega AP's and beadless aviars for upshots. He thought they felt very similar. It's been cold and snowy here, and I haven't had a chance to give him one of my warlocks to throw yet, so I can't vouch for any subtle differences in flight.

We have not sent the Warlock off for pdga approval yet.
We are wanting to send the Warlock and Rage in at the same time and will be running Rages early next week.
The Rage is a Tamed down, less overstable version of the Spirit. ( just as fast, if not faster, but less overs-stable)
We also have the Blast-DT, Diablo-DT and the Assassin we will be releasing this spring ( about 1 each month).


For those vendors who would like to sell Gateway discs this year we suggest signing up for the Auto-ship program.
All 2500 "soft" warlocks were sold through the auto ship program and we are completely sold out!
For information on the A-S-program and an application,
e mail [email protected]

Describe the Blast-DT and the Diablo-DT by chance?

All 2500 "soft" warlocks were sold through the auto ship program and we are completely sold out!


Sweet...congrats, Dave! :)


sleepy

i have some warlocks and they say PDGA approved on the back.
also i thingn they are faster than the no bead aviar. which makes them great upshot discs. i have not had them long enough to know if they will replace my wizard as a putter (i doubt it) but it has a place in bag for sure!! when are you going to run more?

We probably wont be running anymore for about 4 weeks.

The Blast DT is the Blurr/Rage top and the speed demon -DT wing. It should flip up a bit and be as fast as anything out there( very sharp on the nose).

The Diablo DT will be the Raging Inferno-DT with a beefier nose and thicker flight plate making it a little less gyroscopic and able to handle impacts a little better.

Depending on shrinkage and where the parting line winds up, it should become less overstable than the Raging Inferno-Dt and Blurr and more of a valkrye/beast type disc.

Can't wait to get my hands on that diablo DT sounds sweet!

TK

Can't wait to get my hands on that diablo DT sounds sweet!

TK



Amen...and the Assassin should be an instant "hit". :D

IS THE WARLOCK PDGA APPROVED???

I don't think so, there was a person at a tournament this past weekend #$*&$! at me and telling me he could get me DQ'ed for using an illegal putter.

We will be sending the Warlocks off on Monday.
I wanted to send the Rage at the same time, but we started running E warlocks today so it will be another week before we start running the 1st run of Rages and then after that we are running the 2nd run of Blurrs.

I don't think so, there was a person at a tournament this past weekend #$*&$! at me and telling me he could get me DQ'ed for using an illegal putter.




All they could do as far as I know is find that it is not approved and ask you not to use it any further... no penalty would be invoked...

But since it's getting sent off monday it will be approved pretty quick.

Hey Dave, So how would you compare the Assassin to the Inferno? Did you get my emails at the shop with the disc names and the shops here in Missoula? Just checkin'. I want to try and convert my bag and throw all Gateway up here.

Hey Dave, So how would you compare the Assassin to the Inferno? Did you get my emails at the shop with the disc names and the shops here in Missoula? Just checkin'. I want to try and convert my bag and throw all Gateway up here.



I have a Missoula Shirt that my ex gf got when she was visiting her sister there... "A place... Sort of"

Justin had the day off today so we will get the warlock sent on tomorrow.

Nevermind, reread the rule and I guess you could get a 2stroke penalty with no warning for carrying a non approved disc...

Has this rule been revised within the past 4 years?

Nevermind, reread the rule and I guess you could get a 2stroke penalty with no warning for carrying a non approved disc...

Has this rule been revised within the past 4 years?

That's a bs rule.

Nevermind, reread the rule and I guess you could get a 2stroke penalty with no warning for carrying a non approved disc...

Has this rule been revised within the past 4 years?

That's a bs rule.



Why were you using it if its not approved?

My Warlock says "PDGA approved." so hopefully nobody will give me a hard time. rWc3523 :cool:

Just for clarification: Once the warlock gets approved, are the warlocks without the pdga approved tooling legal for tournament play?

why sell the discs before they are approved?

why sell the discs before they are approved?



because people will buy them :eek:

i realize that. it was kind or a rhetorical question aimed at the manufacturer, as the confusion is their fault.

i realize that. it was kind or a rhetorical question aimed at the manufacturer, as the confusion is their fault.



And I realize that. It wasnt as much of a smartass answer as you would think. If people are going to buy them, they are going to sell them. Period. Its only a short time that they will be available and not approved, and there arent a ton of sanctioned events going on right now. Why not release them when there's interest?

Just for clarification: Once the warlock gets approved, are the warlocks without the pdga approved tooling legal for tournament play?



Yes.

I've got no problem with them selling them before they're PDGA approved, but they should not say PDGA approved on them yet. If it's not approved yet, why is that lettering already built in to the mold...

Just for clarification: Once the warlock gets approved, are the warlocks without the pdga approved tooling legal for tournament play?



Yes.



Thanks. My first tourney isn't until the end of March, so I'm all right.

I've got no problem with them selling them before they're PDGA approved, but they should not say PDGA approved on them yet. If it's not approved yet, why is that lettering already built in to the mold...

It is a re-tooled wizard. The lettering must be from the wizard mold

No, it's completely different lettering. Different style, different font, different placement, and everything.

If a disc is within specifications, why does it have to be approved by the PDGA? Its not like the companies wait for approval before making the mold and running a good number of discs. The specifications are spelled out pretty clearly, so obviously a disc company knows that the disc will be approved, its just a matter of the formality of getting it approved. This seems to me an unneccesary hoop that we make the manufacturer jump through. I could see the need for approval if the design was a large jump, like the aerobie epic, but not for something like the Warlock, a modified version of an existing disc. Innova changes its molds completely all the time without getting any new approval for the new molds. Do we really expect Gateway to make one mold for testing, and then create a whole new mold that says "PDGA APPROVED" once the PDGA has gone through the approval process?

In my opinion the manufacturer should be able to simply make discs for competition and leave it up to the PDGA to enforce standards. Disc companies will comply with the rules because if they don't then they would be at a serious loss financially if the PDGA found it to not comply with the clear standards.

You're right. Approval shouldn't be the issue. The PDGA should only step in to say that something is illegal not approve every disc (like the PGA and square grooves on a golf club). But the PDGA takes $100 for approval per disc.

Because building a mold is expensive???

Its easier to have a defined body approving specific discs than it is to set "illegal" properties and then let TD's decide if a disc is legal or not on the course.

By the way, the PGA does inspect, approve and ban golf balls and clubs.

Nevermind, reread the rule and I guess you could get a 2stroke penalty with no warning for carrying a non approved disc...

Has this rule been revised within the past 4 years?

That's a bs rule.



Why were you using it if its not approved?

I didn't know that it wasn't approved..........I figured if one of there sponsored player's was playing with it in a tournament, it was approved

Hey Dave,

I have a question about the GDS Tours. My college is hosting a tourney next month, and I am wondering how much it is for this to be a GDS sponsored tournament. The White level seems to be the best for this kind of tournament. So, how much would it cost for you to come down to Bowling Green and host?

Its easier to have a defined body approving specific discs than it is to set "illegal" properties and then let TD's decide if a disc is legal or not on the course.
By the way, the PGA does inspect, approve and ban golf
balls and clubs.

This may be true but you won't find a ball or club that says PGA approved.