� we�re looking to get ahead of some projects out there � anyone who isn�t going to the KCWO this weekend could lend me a hand on this Sunday (11th) at Haikey 4pm � just re-setting some Tee-Signs & one Basket � I�ll bring some ice-cold �beverage� out there �

Confirms:
Wayne Forest


� then , on Monday evening (12th) : we could use some help at about 6:30 or 6:45 at Haikey � Kevin will be there also ...coupla more moves �

Confirms:
Mike Conners
Kevin McCoy
Wayne Forest


� then , on Friday (23rd) : it looks like a concete pour at Haikey (5) -and- Hunter (1) � so , Thursday evening (22nd) : I�ll bring the beverage for setting up some concrete-forms at about 7pm � shouldn�t take long �

Confirms:
Wayne Forest
Mike Conners


� 494-9627 you could leave me a message , or I�ll call ya back � but I�m set for all these dates & times � thanks in advance �
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� we�re looking to get ahead of some projects out there � anyone who isn�t going to the KCWO this weekend could lend me a hand on this Sunday (11th) at Haikey 4pm � just re-setting some Tee-Signs & one Basket � I�ll bring some ice-cold �beverage� out there �

Confirms:
Wayne Forest
Martin Norris
James Norris


� then , on Monday evening (12th) : we could use some help at about 6:30 or 6:45 at Haikey � Kevin will be there also ...coupla more moves �

Confirms:
Mike Conners
Kevin McCoy
Wayne Forest
Martin Norris
James Norris


� then , on Friday (23rd) : it looks like a concete pour at Haikey (5) -and- Hunter (1) � so , Thursday evening (22nd) : I�ll bring the beverage for setting up some concrete-forms at about 7pm � shouldn�t take long �

Confirms:
Wayne Forest
Mike Conners
Martin Norris
James Norris


� 494-9627 you could leave me a message , or I�ll call ya back � but I�m set for all these dates & times � thanks in advance �
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I can help out on Monday the 12th at Haikey. See you there at 6:30pm.
Cris

... 2-DAY ... as in now ... Wise & several others are at Mohawk ...
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... he needs someone with a "weed-eater" that can clean up inside their Concrete forms ... if you can (or know someone with a portable weedwacker who can) , Please call David A.S.A.P. ... 232-8562 ...
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He will have to wait til i get out there for it.

... FurDog said he would have brought a few of his sheep out (they work kinda slow , but cheap) ... then he heard that Andrew Treat was out there and didn't want them "endangered" (as he put it) :eek: ... besides , FurDog has a mini at Chandler in less than a coupla hours ...
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... Wise sez : "they are pouring NOW ... this morning , Friday 9th at Mohawk ... if anyone has a break , and could lend them a hand ... they will have need of extra bodies to guard the tee-pads for a while" ... his # 232-8562 ...

Well, we have completed another 18 tee pads at Mohawk. Thats a total of 34 poured with another 14 to go.
This pouring concrete every Friday is getting hard on an old man and the rest of the crew, but we are almost complete.

Thanks to all of the volunteers that came out on Thhursday and Friday. Too many names to mention, but trust me, it was the same ones that have been doing it all along. ;)

We had to battle 200 girl scouts to get it done, so we sicked King on them in his daisy dukes and a mid drift and they ran away screaming for help. This gave us just enough time to get them done before the national guard showed up.

We will be taking forms off on Sunday and beging preping for another pour next Friday. We need people out there every night this week. if you're available,please come out and help.
Is it hot out there? Yes.
Are ther mosquitos? Yes
Are ther ticks? Not as many since we are mowing.
Is it worth it? YES

If you have heard rumors that it is nasty back on the black course, they are now false. I have taken in some players that are HIGHLY allergic to poison ivy and they have given it their approval. So come out and help next week in the evenings.
PLEASE. :D

My hats off to you and your crew, you all are almost done. Hang in there and keep the karma energy it drives away the tiredness. See ya soon. Yes I am crazy, it has been pouring rain and booming here since about 3am and I have not sleep much.

Peace

Well old hole 2 at Redhawk is slick. Looks like it wasn't brushed.

And there are "baby prints" on one of the holes on the short side. I think that was a mistake. But who cares what I think.

I saw the rubber pads, that is a nice temporary fix, but what are we thinking long term?

Chip it up and pour a new one?

Awful nice course to have one pad that is different.

I think the #11 pad at redhawk should stay as is along with hole 5 at hunter.

Put it on the "to do" list after worlds...

... Sunday went well at Haikey ... plenty of ice-cold beverage , but only 4 of us to drink it ... I guess we'll have some leftovers out there on Monday (12th) evening (7pm) ... several "younger" dudes have said they will be out to lend a hand ... we're out in "clean areas" ; no shule-or-thorns-or-ivy-or-chiggers-or-ticks ... we got them out today ... the little dig-n-replants today were "TAGGED" ... this is a new term I've come up with for what bodies usually throw-in-and-help-out ...
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Sorry

I couldn't make it today had to work

I went by hunter after I got off today and the little tree that sits out in front of hole # 4 was cut down by someone I am pretty #$*&$! about this as it changes the hole incredibly so we need a fix for it to make it somewhat difficult oh I am so angry right now I could spit nails

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... for those that help at Haikey ...
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Still no Lund, Owens, or Naegele on the registration list. :confused:

How many pop cans do these guys need to recycle before they can get their entry fee in? ;)

Sorry

I couldn't make it today had to work

I went by hunter after I got off today and the little tree that sits out in front of hole # 4 was cut down by someone I am pretty #$*&$! about this as it changes the hole incredibly so we need a fix for it to make it somewhat difficult oh I am so angry right now I could spit nails

:mad::(



I'm surprised my disc hasn't already cut it down before now...as many times as I've hit that thing!

In order to pour the last of the pads at Mohawk, we need some help this week in the evenings. We need the alternate tee pad areas weedeated and cleaned up so that we can install the forms. We will also need as many wheel barrows as possible on Friday so that we can make short work of #18 teed pad. It is the only one we can't get a trailer to.

We can also begin installing the tee sign poles for the entire course. If we can get a crew of three guys this can be done in two evenings. I will rent an auger so that there is no shovel digging to be done.
The Hunter tee poles are also available for installation.

It is imparative that we get the prep work done for Mohawk this week before Friday. If we can't pour Mohawk on Friday, then we can't pour Haikey the next Friday and that will push us into July. We need to stay on schedule for the next two weeks so that all of the courses will be done by the end of June and all of the local volunteer/players can have time to practice for the event.

Please come out to Mohawk tonight and Help. Thong Le, Conners ond others will be out there organizing the efforts.

Tuesday 13th - prep alternate tee areas and back fill the new pads.
Wed 14th - conintue preping pads and begin setting the forms for concrete.
Thurs 15th - finish setting forms, fill low areas with dirt and set the wire re-mesh.
Friday 16th - pour the remianing tee pads at mohawk.
Saturday 17th - Maybe we can do the tee sign poles at Hunter
Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads.
Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.

On a good note, we met with the city officials at Mohawk yesterday afternnon. They were very impressed with what we have done so far. They also agreed to maintain the Black course with regular mowings. :DAND the biggest news................we walked them in on #1 and they noticed poison ivy, we told them just don't throw your disc in there. They didn't like that, so they are going to provide back pack sprayers and we have been given the go ahead to spray the fair ways, tee areas and greens with ROUND UP! :D:D
So for all of you poison ivy haters, you should be loving that. :DThey will also spray for ticks just before the event. As for spraying for mosquitos, forget it, lets just hope it is dry the two weeks before the event and they shouldn't be too much of a problem. ;)

Saturday July 8th - Grand opening of Mohawk, two rounds, both courses. New chainstar to be given away, get your raffel tickets.

OK I have put all of the course pics in ONE post

Click on the following links to view the course pics

McClure Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/mcclure.html)

Hunter Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/hunter.html)

BlackHawk, RedHawk, Dovillio and Haikey Preliminary Course Pics (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/debndale@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/7304re2&.src=ph&.tok=phN2P9EBJQFa5d9o)
This Link Opens BlackHawk First but you can navigate to the other course albums from the main index.

More work to be done on courses but,
this should give you the full flavor of the courses.

When this was posted 54 Days and counting :eek: :p
D.P. :D



Haikey has been removed from the pics until redesign is finished.

41 days and counting. :p

D.P. :D

... thanks to Cris Hicks & Kevin McCoy for helping at Haikey last night ... thirsty Monday ... also kudos to Martin Norris & Gary Nail ...
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In order to pour the last of the pads at Mohawk, we need some help this week in the evenings. We need the alternate tee pad areas weedeated and cleaned up so that we can install the forms. We will also need as many wheel barrows as possible on Friday so that we can make short work of #18 teed pad. It is the only one we can't get a trailer to.

We can also begin installing the tee sign poles for the entire course. If we can get a crew of three guys this can be done in two evenings. I will rent an auger so that there is no shovel digging to be done.
The Hunter tee poles are also available for installation.

It is imparative that we get the prep work done for Mohawk this week before Friday. If we can't pour Mohawk on Friday, then we can't pour Haikey the next Friday and that will push us into July. We need to stay on schedule for the next two weeks so that all of the courses will be done by the end of June and all of the local volunteer/players can have time to practice for the event.

Please come out to Mohawk tonight and Help. Thong Le, Conners ond others will be out there organizing the efforts.

Tuesday 13th - prep alternate tee areas and back fill the new pads.
Wed 14th - conintue preping pads and begin setting the forms for concrete.
Thurs 15th - finish setting forms, fill low areas with dirt and set the wire re-mesh.
Friday 16th - pour the remianing tee pads at mohawk.
Saturday 17th - Maybe we can do the tee sign poles at Hunter
Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads.
Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.

On a good note, we met with the city officials at Mohawk yesterday afternnon. They were very impressed with what we have done so far. They also agreed to maintain the Black course with regular mowings. :DAND the biggest news................we walked them in on #1 and they noticed poison ivy, we told them just don't throw your disc in there. They didn't like that, so they are going to provide back pack sprayers and we have been given the go ahead to spray the fair ways, tee areas and greens with ROUND UP! :D:D
So for all of you poison ivy haters, you should be loving that. :DThey will also spray for ticks just before the event. As for spraying for mosquitos, forget it, lets just hope it is dry the two weeks before the event and they shouldn't be too much of a problem. ;)

Saturday July 8th - Grand opening of Mohawk, two rounds, both courses. New chainstar to be given away, get your raffel tickets.

WoW!!!!

I went to an Admin meeting last night and Steve Owens and Jason White showed up. :cool:....I think they were in awe when I introduced myself as Kevin McCoy!... ;)

Now I know the OSU fans could care less about some ex-sooner players but this Furdog was impressed. :cool:....I think I'm going to go out and chow down at Billly Sims BBQ tonight. :)

WoW!!!!

I went to an Admin meeting last night and Steve Owens and Jason White showed up. :cool:....I think they were in awe when I introduced myself as Kevin McCoy!... ;)

Now I know the OSU fans could care less about some ex-sooner players but this Furdog was impressed. :cool:....I think I'm going to go out and chow down at Billly Sims BBQ tonight. :)




I'm glad you were so impressed with two insurance agents. :o:D

It's not what they are doing now. Everyone knows that insurance agents will be the third thing at the bottom of the ocean. Right above the lawyers and the used car salesmen. :p

It's about what they did on the field. You're 45 and still looking for your 15 min of fame. Maybe you should consider a life of crime. :)

You just thought I was out at the courses working last night.

Instead I grabed my 15 minutes of fame in your kitchen while your were gooogling over the the old timers. :o:o:o:o

The concrete has been ordered for Friday morning. It looks like we will only be pouring 12 tee pads and we are done with Mohawk. :DWe will still pour in the morning and the afternoon, so we need all the help we can get. We need at least 4-5 wheel barrows, if you have one please let me know.
232-8562


Wed 14th - continue preping pads and begin setting the forms for concrete.
We need a pickup and shovels, we have a pile of sandy loam dirt that spreads very nicely around the tee pads. I will try to be out there early tonight, so that I can show anyone that comes out what they need to be doing.


Thurs 15th - finish setting forms, fill low areas with dirt and set the wire re-mesh.
Friday 16th - pour the remianing tee pads at mohawk.
Saturday 17th - Maybe we can do the tee sign poles at Hunter
Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads.
Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.

Practice?

Is that where you actually go the course to play golf?

Yes, that is when you can actually go play with no guilt. This is why I want to bust ^%%^ over the next two weeks so that we all can be done with working. :D

AM WORLDS BLOG (http://blog.myspace.com/2006amworlds)

The tulsa board has been lighting up today!!!

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Name that dookie:

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It must have been that 3rd ZIMA that put him over the limit.

Or the 2nd Apple Pucker.

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AR State Championships ,good luck with that it's been in Little Roc for over 20 years.

It must have been that 3rd ZIMA that put him over the limit.



Cosmos Kevin, They drink Cosmos at Duke. :D

so what still needs to be done at mohawk?

The concrete has been ordered for Friday morning. It looks like we will only be pouring 12 tee pads and we are done with Mohawk. :DWe will still pour in the morning and the afternoon, so we need all the help we can get. We need at least 4-5 wheel barrows, if you have one please let me know.
232-8562


Wed 14th - continue preping pads and begin setting the forms for concrete.
We need a pickup and shovels, we have a pile of sandy loam dirt that spreads very nicely around the tee pads. I will try to be out there early tonight, so that I can show anyone that comes out what they need to be doing.


Thurs 15th - finish setting forms, fill low areas with dirt and set the wire re-mesh.
Friday 16th - pour the remianing tee pads at mohawk.
Saturday 17th - Maybe we can do the tee sign poles at Hunter
Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads.
Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.


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What's the update Dave.

Sorry I will miss tommorrow. :(

39 Days and Counting

D.P. :D

It looks like we will only be pouring 12 tee pads and we are done with Mohawk. :DWe will still pour in the morning and the afternoon, so we need all the help we can get. We need at least 4-5 wheel barrows, if you have one please let me know.
232-8562




Thurs 15th - set all of the remaining forms (8), fill low areas with dirt and set the wire re-mesh. Extra people can finish back filling the new pads on the red course. I will try to be out there as early as possible today, hopefully by 3:00 -4:00. I need to pick up a roll of remesh for tonight. The number of forms to set tonight depend on if they get the areas clread out by this evening, if not, we will only be setting maybe 5 forms today. There are currently 5 forms already set to go.

Friday 16th - pour the remianing tee pads at mohawk.
The concrete will be there by 9:00am but we will need the volunteers there by 8:00 just to make sure we have everything done and ready for the truck.

Saturday 17th - Maybe we can do the tee sign poles at Hunter
Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads.
Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.


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As official waterboy volunteer at Mohawk my plan is to provide a "Water Wiggle" and a "Slip'N Slide" back by the ponds so people will be able to chill out in the heat of the competition. :cool:....If that doesn't work I'll see about getting the Tulsa Fire Department to come out and hose down the hotheads. :D

... Wise sez: he's at Mohawk now (Thursday) ... just doing the "prepping" for the concrete pads ...
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... another requested relay from "Professor Wise" :
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Can a brotha get a ride from the airport? I will be arriving with the newest run of DevilHawks Sat, July 22nd @ 10:59 am.

If you are looking for hot chicks, it makes no difference where you find them. Would you turn down a date with a hot chick you met at the state pennitentary while going to watch an execution? Funerals, executions, excorcisms or the mall, it doesnt really matter where you meet them. Now if they eat lead paint chips and have Turretts, you might reconsider.

I can help you out...but I'm sure you'd rather get a ride with a fella you know, right! Let me know...I'd be more than happy to give ya a ride. Where are ya staying?

Thanks. I believe that my Twisted Sister Joe-Anna is gonna be there to get me. Then we'll be off to Blackhawk to lose some discs.
Party Sat night at Kev's or Big Nic's???? :D
Then after the 5 days of Hell golf, party again Sat night, it will be over and also ROTANS 38th B DAY!
See you guys soon.

is there any action anywhere today

231-5065

You know it bro...I can come get you that morning. Do you already have a place to stay?

I can vouch for the comfort of BIG NICs house.

Joe, did that $$ show up in your PayPal acct? Should be $170.

Sunday 18th -pull the forms from Mohawk and back fill the pads. All of the forms, except two have been pulled. Due to the rain that we received, we need to stay out of Mohawk for another two or three days so that it can be accessable again.


Monday 19th - Install the tee sign poles
I will have the poles delivered to Hunter tonight, along with concrete. I could use at least three volunteers so that we can begin knocking this out, while we wait on Mohawk to dry out a little.
Tues 20th - finish installing the tee sign poles.
Hunter park.

Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.

Four weeks ago if you would have asked me to be honest about having Mohawk ready for play, I would have been very doubtfull. But, after all of the volunteers that came out to help for the last three weeks, we are almost completely done with Mohawk. All 46 tee pads have been poured, with a total of 62 across town and 69 after we are finished. :o:D
Man, that's a lot of concrete!

All that is left is the instaltion of tee signs and the back filling of dirt around the tee pads, conrete clean up and one more trip through with the Bob Cat. I will get the bob cat in there this weekend or next weekend for the finishing touches.
For those that were there in the begining, they have watched a transformation of dense woods into a beautifull golf course.
For those that have never seen it, I'm not sure you can appreciate exactly how much work has been done out there.
Thanks to every volunteer that has worked at Mohawk, we could not have done it with out you! :D

One more week of busting our ^&^^% on the courses and we should be **** near ready for the world to come and play. ;)

Please help this week if you can. :D

I can vouch for the comfort of BIG NICs house.



I can also vouch for that!

It'll be nice to see ya there Pablo. I talked with J-Fred the other day for a few.

Can't wait, man, I'm excited...I'd offer you a place in Ft. Gibson, but just dropped that bomb on my father in law yesterday...he had no idea I'd be staying at his place for a week next month

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Thanks Kev
BlackHawk Distances are now posted with the pics I put up.
D.P. :D

OK I have put all of the course pics in ONE post

Click on the following links to view the course pics

McClure Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/mcclure.html)

Hunter Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/hunter.html)

BlackHawk, RedHawk, Dovillio and Haikey Preliminary Course Pics (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/debndale@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/7304re2&amp;.src=ph&amp;.tok=phN2P9EBJQFa5d9o)
This Link Opens BlackHawk First but you can navigate to the other course albums from the main index.

Distances have now been added to BlackHawk Par 62, and to RedHawk Par 60

When this was posted 35 Days and Counting
:eek: :p
D.P. :D



D.P. :D

Thanks for posting the distances and par on the hawks!

Is hole 9 on WHITE really a par 4 while hole 9 on BLACK is only a 3...even though they are both 410?

There is only 1 teebox on 9...Looks like Kev is giving the juniors an extra stroke.

FYI - June 19th

I will be at Hunter between 4:30 and 5:00 today. I f you can help please come out. We will be installing tee signs.

If someone has a sharp shooter shovel, bring it, mine has dissapeared. :(

I'll put dovillio on hold today i'll be out there later.

I went by hunter after I got off today and the little tree that sits out in front of hole # 4 was cut down by someone I am pretty #$*&$! about this as it changes the hole incredibly so we need a fix for it to make it somewhat difficult oh I am so angry right now I could spit nails

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All FIXED!

We took the tree that some ***** cut down on #4 and dug a very deep hole, trimed all of the limbs from the tree, stood it up in the hole, which is directly behind the original tree, dumped in a large amount of concrete and VILOA! The tree is back in the fairway where it belongs. We will also add an additional treatment to the tree that will prevent any saw going through it again. :D

Thanks Wayne!


14 of 18 tee poles were installed yesterday at Hunter. But for some reason, I am three poles short? :confused: I don't know how the he11 that happened, I wasn't at the office when they were delivered. So since I only have one pole with me and still missing three, I will NOT be back out at Hunter tonight. At least not until I find three more poles.

We do need some people at Hunter tonight, to gather and/or finish digging up the 4x4 wooded post that are there now. We need to locate them near hole 17 tee area so that they can be picked up and trailered to another course on Wed.

Wed evening we will be at Haikey to begin setting the 5 new tee pads for the pour on Friday. We need help, so be there. ;)

Since we had a scorecard we had to go test the ole RedHAWK course out. It was my first time to play itsince we had all 18 in. Was out there to do some tree locating for the tee signs. I have to say I enjoyed playing it, many different shot variations on many of the holes. Hole #16 is BEAUTIFUL with the blooming tree hanging over the creek.

There is now a course record to shoot for. The CR will probably end up around 44 or 43 but 47 (55 for ladies ;)) is a good score to shoot for. My guess is that a 47 on RedHAWK would be a 1020+ rated round

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You pared 1 & 3? :confused:

:o:o

I'm getting OLDER by the day it takes a few holes to get the rust off the joints. It was the first day I have been healthy in about a week so the ole muscles took a while to get going.

I made up for one of them on 7 ;)

I saw that. :D

But for some reason, I am three poles short? :confused: I don't know how the he11 that happened.


Have you checked your butt? Everyone knows what a "Pole-huffer" you are. Maybe you ran out of meat one night and you left them in your kitchen? :eek:

Pole-Huffer?


You're the fudge packer from the mountian, I was going to ask if you knew what happened to them.
http://www.ectownusa.com/creamymountainfudge2.html

Actually I think I used those poles to hang the heads of Jesse Sellers, Johnny Thompson, and Zach Lund at the summit of Furdog mountain last Thursday. :cool:

Surely you had them insured? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nope, no insurance on them. They would have to be employed for me to insure them. :o:o:o:D

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I went by hunter after I got off today and the little tree that sits out in front of hole # 4 was cut down by someone I am pretty #$*&amp;$! about this as it changes the hole incredibly so we need a fix for it to make it somewhat difficult oh I am so angry right now I could spit nails

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All FIXED!
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... yes ... after I got home , I called Jerry ... we both went back out there and further "braced" it up with boards ... it ain't goin' nowhere ...

We took the tree that some ***** cut down on #4 and dug a very deep hole, trimed all of the limbs from the tree, stood it up in the hole, which is directly behind the original tree, dumped in a large amount of concrete and VILOA! The tree is back in the fairway where it belongs. We will also add an additional treatment to the tree that will prevent any saw going through it again. :D

Thanks Wayne!


14 of 18 tee poles were installed yesterday at Hunter. But for some reason, I am three poles short? :confused: I don't know how the he11 that happened, I wasn't at the office when they were delivered. So since I only have one pole with me and still missing three, I will NOT be back out at Hunter tonight. At least not until I find three more poles.

We do need some people at Hunter tonight, to gather and/or finish digging up the 4x4 wooded post that are there now. We need to locate them near hole 17 tee area so that they can be picked up and trailered to another course on Wed.

Wed evening we will be at Haikey to begin setting the 5 new tee pads for the pour on Friday. We need help, so be there. ;)
... yes ... Rust never sleeps ...

I made up for one of them on 7



Is that the first Mohawk ace?

As far as I know,

It was a 1st Run Champion Edition Teebird oooooooh how sweet it was. Thats a small gap that you have to weave through ;)

After my first trip through, I'm satisfied playing that track. There is so many diferent shots from rollers,skip shots, spike hyzers, forehands, big horkin annhyzers, and even a thumber or two on RedHawk.

I'm looking forward to playing WhiteHawk sometime soon. ;)

I made up for one of them on 7



Is that the first Mohawk ace?



Nope, I don't think that was the first. Dan Bougher, Devan and some others witnessed an ace last weekend by some rec player.

Good cuz I was debating if the sentence; "RedHawk got her Cherry Popped" was too graphic for the blog tomorrow :D

Now it doesn't have to be added in there. But I did witness either a Aligator or a Anaconda in the creek on hole #14 last night. :(

That was me floating on my back! :o

Lesson learned... Moles hurt more than tick when you scratch them off! :D

... $100 cash for info. leading to apprehension & prosecution of whoever is "attacking" the Course out there ...
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... thirsty Wednesday at Haikey tonight ... 6:45pm ...
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I will double the reward for the culprits HEAD on a platter. :mad:

Hey Joe, great interview on PDGA radio this week. Less than a month away...cant wait!!

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Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey 2-night
Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey 2-morrow
Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey (only 5) ... time to be announced ...
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey probably won't need
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.

Monday - DONE! start practicing.

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� �thirsty Wednesday� at Haikey � 6:45pm
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� if we have the �form-boards� , we can cut them to 5-ft wide / 10-ft long � we can go ahead and stake them down for Hole 16 -and- Hole 17 tee-pads �
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... I believe Mr.Nail is bringing our form-boards & stakes ... .
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� on our old Hole 1 tee-pad , there is some spray-painted letters & arrows on the concrete � Jesse Sellers had said that he would handle cleaning that off (gasoline or something)� it�s not been done yet , I�d rather not wait � we probably need paint-remover or driveway-bleach or something -and- a wire-brush � ... we'll 'ave-a-look this evenin' ...
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� if anyone has a portable string-trimmer or weed-eater ; our old tee-pads could be trimmed around � if not , I�ll do it the �old-fashioned way� with my shovel �
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� �thirsty Thursday� at Haikey � just laying out & staking the other 3 tee-forms on Hole 13 , 15 , 18 � shouldn�t take long at all � ... same bat-channel , same bat-time ... 6:45pm ... ice-cold drinks to be had ...
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� �thirsty Wednesday� at Haikey � 6:45pm
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� if we have the �form-boards� , we can cut them to 5-ft wide / 10-ft long � we can go ahead and stake them down for Hole 16 -and- Hole 17 tee-pads �
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... I believe Mr.Nail is bringing our form-boards & stakes ... .
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� on our old Hole 1 tee-pad , there is some spray-painted letters & arrows on the concrete � Jesse Sellers had said that he would handle cleaning that off (gasoline or something)� it�s not been done yet , I�d rather not wait � we probably need paint-remover or driveway-bleach or something -and- a wire-brush � ... we'll 'ave-a-look this evenin' ...
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� �thirsty Thursday� at Haikey � just laying out & staking the other 3 tee-forms on Hole 13 , 15 , 18 � shouldn�t take long at all � ... same bat-channel , same bat-time ... 6:45pm ... ice-cold drinks to be had ...
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need inspection crew to check end of pad landing zones...Almost broke ankle on the one named open air right.. old hole number #8 new hole number???? you put dirt by pad and i will fill in my divot from the bad landing.

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Wed 21st - begin prepping the five tee areas at Haikey ... Done ...

Thurs 22nd - set the forms for Haikey ... ... ALREADY Done ...

... so now ... THURSDAY 22nd (afternoon & evening) needs to shift to some final MOHAWK details ... anyone who can lend a hand (light work) (good Course Karma) ; call David Wise 232-8562 ...
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Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey (only 5) ... time to be announced ... ... ... TIME for this pour is 10:00 am Friday ... bring your selves -and- maybe your chairs -and- maybe your Discs -and- maybe your portable string-trimmer weed--eater (around old pads) ... more hands will make it go s-o-o-o-h much quicker ...
Saturday 24th - touch up work at Haikey probably won't need
Sunday 25th - pull the forms and back fill the tee pads.
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David Wise
Gary Nail
Bob Morton (Doc)
Martin Norris
Thong Le
Chris Hutchinson
James Norris
Scott Schumacher (FurDog)
Kevin McCoy
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... working on your behalf , on your Courses ...
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Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey Park at 10:00 am. OK

Friday 23rd - pour the pads at Haikey (only 5) ... ... ... ... TIME for this pour is 10:00 am Friday ... bring your selves -and- maybe your chairs -and- maybe your Discs -and- maybe your portable string-trimmer weed--eater (around old pads) ... more hands will make it go s-o-o-o-h much quicker

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... the first edition of : Friday Night Flights ...
... "special" 1/2-moon type Fun ... entry only $5 ... we'll draw for Partners & tee-up just about 8pm ... mulligans available ...

I did a quick check on Mohawk and with this afternoon's rains, work is out for this evening. Too wet.
We are still on schedule to finish by thge end of the month and we will be pouring concrete in the morning at Haikey rain or shine. ;)

We need a few people out there by no later than 8:30 so that we can get the re-mesh cut and delivered to the pads. If anyone has any questions or if they are still planning on working tonight, give me a call and I will point you in the right direction.

Howdy ya'll- My name is David and I will be traveling with a buddy of mine Jay Phillips all the way out there from Atlanta. I have had a room booked at the hotel for a while now and I thought another friend of mine was going to join us from Kentucky. Well, so far I can't get any response from him and I haven't seen his name on the registration list either. Anywho, I was wondering if any of ya'll fine golfers out there no of 1 or 2 folks looking for some room space. Email me at davidgwalls@hotmail.com if you know of anyone that is traveling solo or what not and needs a place to crash. I can't wait to get out there and see these great courses. :D:D:D

I did a quick check on Mohawk and with this afternoon's rains, work is out for this evening. Too wet.
We are still on schedule to finish by thge end of the month and we will be pouring concrete in the morning at Haikey rain or shine. ;)

We need a few people out there by no later than 8:30 so that we can get the re-mesh cut and delivered to the pads. If anyone has any questions or if they are still planning on working tonight, give me a call and I will point you in the right direction.



I will be there if I can get off work, right now i'm looking at abour 42% affirmative.

last 5 tee pads being poured in about an hour we need watchers

thanks in advance

... it didn't rain till about 2:30 , so all 5 Pads were fine 'n' dandy ...
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... boocoo Thanks & Course Karma to:

Gary "NailOne" Nail
David "Master-Planner" Wise
Andrew "Red-Haired" Treat
Billy "Bright-n-Early" Lund
Jerry "Birthday-Worker" Stacey
Kelly "KelDog" Watson
Joe "NumberOneTwisted" Rotan
Mike "Watch-Dog" Conners
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Couldn't make it Friday..

What time on Sunday?

Do I need to bring a cordless screw gun?

I have the #14 sign pole that someone removed from the concrete. Will give to Dave or Kevin on Tuesday at McClure.

What???....Do we have vandals at Mohawk now???? :mad:

... "some little squirrels" etched into 16's pad late Friday ...
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... ATTENTION: Tyler -and- Micco
( you know who you are )
>>> You Poor Lost-Souls of Disc Golf <<<
You have BOTH done yourselves in with BAD KARMA

There were Signs & Notes out here telling you to
�STAY OFF TEE PADS�
I put these up for YOUR protection !
You not only stepped upon these Pads , but you etched your names into them !
I wouldn�t want to be �in your shoes�.

Because NOW , the �COURSE KARMA� follows YOU like an invisible fog � everywhere !
It can take all forms � it might be a throw with no distance � a Lost disc � Trees & Limbs that �slap-down� your shot � Putts that �won�t stay in� � NOT just on THIS COURSE , but everywhere !
Even if you are not Disc Golfers: it has your �number� as well!
It might be that extra Mosquito Bite � another prick from a thorn-bush � your Computer �crashing� at home � your vehicles getting worse Gas-Mileage �
� that next headache you get � all sorts of �Bad Funk� !
IT NEVER DIMINISHES � It worsens thru passage of Time
I�m sure you�ll read this as you come back to �admire your handiwork�.
Remember: I DID NOT put this upon you ; YOU have done this to yourself !
I certainly would not wish this on anybody !!!
� I feel sorry for you �
But I would spare you your Grief � I CAN HELP
Call your Course TD � my name is �Forest� � 494-9627
It might be a short bit of Course assistance � It might be you buying me a Cold Beer � but an act of penance by you both will enable me to have this �Curse Of Bad Karma� removed.

To everyone else : DO NOT REMOVE THIS SIGN
� You don�t want to be on the wrong side of KARMA ! �

All these little punks screwing with our courses. Especially Hunter. :mad:....I think Wise had a good idea. People keep screwing with Hunter then after the Worlds we should just ask the city to pull the course altogether. I don't understand why all these spoiled little rich brats in south Tulsa don't have anything better to do. Someone should slap their parents upside the head and take those kids down to the vet and have them put to sleep. :mad:

Bite your tongue Furdog, removing Hunter due to vandalism is like treating dandruff with decapitation...

Go back to your mountain and rethink your suggestion... :cool:

Bite your tongue Furdog, removing Hunter due to vandalism is like treating dandruff with decapitation...

Go back to your mountain and rethink your suggestion... :cool:



OK.... here is a rethink....Does any one who hunts have one of those spy cameras that are used to stake out dear trails just before hunting season? if so maybe the club could rent them and stake out some of the trouble spots... then we could give the wanted posters a good posting as well as turning them over to the coppers!!

It wasn't his suggestion, it was mine. I still stand by it. The problem is that all of the vandalism effects each member of the club, as we are the ones that have to foot the bill to repair or replace the damages. Two baskets in the last two years at $500 each for total replacement. :mad:

I for one am tired of going out to Hunter to play and it looks like the biggest Ghetto course in town and it is in the most affluent part of town.. The vandalism is continuous at that course.

With Tulsa now having 14 courses and with the upkeep of those, our plates are full. We do not have the time or resources to keep fixing everything they steal or break at that course. I would hate very much to lose that course, it is one of our better layouts, but enough is enough. Would you rather have a course out there that is in need of constant repair, constant damage control, always looks like a crap hole, or just do away witrh it and concentrate our efforts on the courses that are appreciated?

If it isn't there then they can tear it up. Sad but true. :(

If you have suggestions to combat this problem, lets hear them. I think we have tried all of them.
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OK.... here is a rethink....Does any one who hunts have one of those spy cameras that are used to stake out dear trails just before hunting season? if so maybe the club could rent them and stake out some of the trouble spots... then we could give the wanted posters a good posting as well as turning them over to the coppers!!



It will be hard to see their pictures after they steal the cameras. :o

It wasn't his suggestion, it was mine. I still stand by it. The problem is that all of the vandalism effects each member of the club, as we are the ones that have to foot the bill to repair or replace the damages. Two baskets in the last two years at $500 each for total replacement. :mad:

I for one am tired of going out to Hunter to play and it looks like the biggest Ghetto course in town and it is in the most affluent part of town.. The vandalism is continuous at that course.

With Tulsa now having 14 courses and with the upkeep of those, our plates are full. We do not have the time or resources to keep fixing everything they steal or break at that course. I would hate very much to lose that course, it is one of our better layouts, but enough is enough. Would you rather have a course out there that is in need of constant repair, constant damage control, always looks like a crap hole, or just do away witrh it and concentrate our efforts on the courses that are appreciated?

If it isn't there then they can tear it up. Sad but true. :(

If you have suggestions to combat this problem, lets hear them. I think we have tried all of them.
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I think it's also good to note that the city of Fayetville pulled Northshore for a month after someone cut down a few branches. Seems like within the last two weeks someone at Hunter cut down a whole tree. Then after the club cemented it back into the ground someone tried to pull it out. I guess when they couldn't get it then they decided to take out their frustration on the new tee signs which now I hear, 4 or 5 or them are bent due to vandals. What are you going to do if you catch them? Beat their little butts and then have their parents sue your butt for child abuse? :p

This is not like when there's a tournament and some OKC guys steal a basket at Dovillio. :o.... This crap seems to happen at Hunter on a regular basis. You want to hear another suggestion? Let's hang one of the little punks from the tree they cut down. Either that or float'em in the creek with a tee sign shoved up their butt. :mad:

It wasn't his suggestion, it was mine. I still stand by it. The problem is that all of the vandalism effects each member of the club, as we are the ones that have to foot the bill to repair or replace the damages. Two baskets in the last two years at $500 each for total replacement. :mad:

I for one am tired of going out to Hunter to play and it looks like the biggest Ghetto course in town and it is in the most affluent part of town.. The vandalism is continuous at that course.

With Tulsa now having 14 courses and with the upkeep of those, our plates are full. We do not have the time or resources to keep fixing everything they steal or break at that course. I would hate very much to lose that course, it is one of our better layouts, but enough is enough. Would you rather have a course out there that is in need of constant repair, constant damage control, always looks like a crap hole, or just do away witrh it and concentrate our efforts on the courses that are appreciated?

If it isn't there then they can tear it up. Sad but true. :(

If you have suggestions to combat this problem, lets hear them. I think we have tried all of them.
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I think it's also good to note that the city of Fayetville pulled Northshore for a month after someone cut down a few branches. Seems like within the last two weeks someone at Hunter cut down a whole tree. Then after the club cemented it back into the ground someone tried to pull it out. I guess when they couldn't get it then they decided to take out their frustration on the new tee signs which now I hear, 4 or 5 or them are bent due to vandals. What are you going to do if you catch them? Beat their little butts and then have their parents sue your butt for child abuse? :p

This is not like when there's a tournament and some OKC guys steal a basket at Dovillio. :o.... This crap seems to happen at Hunter on a regular basis. You want to hear another suggestion? Let's hang one of the little punks from the tree they cut down. Either that or float'em in the creek with a tee sign shoved up their butt. :mad:


WELL....we do have chains from old baskets and wads of dried concrete .... and several big lakes with deep spots .... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
and nobody ever found Jimmy Hoffa.... :D

So once the Mohawk courses start having the same vandalism problems - as seen already - it'll get pulled too?

I agree with Treat, this solution seems drastic.

At what point do these courses/baskets become the repsonsibility of the city parks department? Are they or the police aware of the problem?? Have we posted signs on the course asking for help in reporting vandalism? Just about everyone has a cell phone if they see this happening.

I would rather see, after worlds, Hunter stripped down to baskets and tee pads before seeing it pulled.

Tee signs are great, but I would rather have Hunter in the ground without tee signs than the course pulled completely.

Just my opinion...

I think that Mohawk is a little different from Hunter.

It seems like there is more maintenece out there out Mohawk and the county wanted us there.

Hunter it seems like they don't care one way or the other if we are out there. Which is a shame since the TD out there does what he can for it.

Just a thought. If I'm wrong oh well.

At what point do these courses/baskets become the repsonsibility of the city parks department? Once they are installed. Are they or the police aware of the problem?? YES Have we posted signs on the course asking for help in reporting vandalism? Yes, at Haikey when it was a problem Just about everyone has a cell phone if they see this happening. We always report what we see, it's things we don't see that are causing the problems.

I would rather see, after worlds, Hunter stripped down to baskets and tee pads before seeing it pulled.
Agreed

Tee signs are great, but I would rather have Hunter in the ground without tee signs than the course pulled completely.

Just my opinion...



While pulling the course would be a drastic move, it may be what is need to send the message to all the casuals out there to pay attention and report vandalism. The problem is that the casuals and the delinquent children take this course and it's equipment for granted. They think since it belongs to the city, it belongs to them and they can trash it any way they want, The city will replace it, right? WRONG!

The city will NOT replace the stolen or damaged equipment. It is not a priority to them. Some of the other praks have a different situation. For instance, Chandler, Mohawk, Haikey have staffed crews and workers on the course everyday. McCLure, Riverside don't have as many problems due to the amount of people in the park everyday and they are visible any where on the course. Dovillio, doesn't have the problems because the casuals don't like to play the course and that course is also visible from the houses on just about all of it.

Hunter has no crews, except for the contract mowers, and some of the holes are not visible to other park patrons. It also has a neighborhood full of kids with money and time on their hands but no respect for anything. It would appear that even the City has had problems out there and now the park closes at 9:00pm instead of 11:00pm because of it.

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So once the Mohawk courses start having the same vandalism problems - as seen already - it'll get pulled too?[QUOTE]

So what vandalism problems at Mohawk are you referring to? And thats not a fare question, we have been battling vandalism at Hunter year after year, so when does it stop?

I don't know any specifics - just thought I had heard some minor things here and there about baskets/pads at Mohawk -my mistake. But with the traffic out there - vandalism is inevitable.

Just not sure the message will get across to the right people about the reason for pulling the course. Don't think the vandals/casuals will say - "oh crap, they pulled Hunter, I better not do anything to the other courses in town now or i should have reported that vandalism I saw earlier!"

As far as reporting the vandals in the act - it's not like these punks are doing it in front of a bunch of people - they may be dumbasses by they aren't stupid to do it in front of a 4some or on the highly visible holes during the day. Safe to assume most of the action happens after dark.

My vote is, after worlds go ahead and pull hunter parks baskets....we can put it back in the ground once fall comes around. Might as well stop the vandalism now, maybe things will change later.

I really doubt that Hunter would ever get pulled. For one thing, the city probably wouldn't do it. And even if the they did the club would be responsible for removing the baskets and I doubt anyone would want to spend the time doing it. All I know is it seems like a waste of club funds to keep supporting it if it costs the club more to maintain it then the money the club gets from running mini's out there.

I don't know of any vandalizm at Mohawk yet other then a few dummies using baskets for trash cans, horse tie ups, and some drunk who probably drove into one of the baskets. I imagine you will probably see some eventually by the ponds after some jackbutt DG'er hits someones kid fishing or has some confrontation with a fisherman. The way those guys feel is probably that they were there first and screw all these guys coming around telling me I gotta to move. Sooner or later someone's going to dig up a basket and throw it in the middle of the pond. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I suggest after the Worlds the club should make Hunter a low priority for club funds if the vandals keep trashing the place. Instead of replacing a stolen basket with a new one, use one of the old baskets we pulled from another course. We don't need t-signs either. Once they're gone, ......they're gone. Let the little punks call the city themselves and complain that there no more handles left for the vandals to steal. :p

Monday June 26th
Mohawk -

We still need to get dirt around the last tee pad on Redhawk. All of the tee poles have been planted on that course.

We need to get all off the old lumber hauled off of the Black course and from behind the country store. Also haul off all of the extra concrete and do the dirt work that is left on most of the black course.
Need a truck or trailer that can haul dirt, shovels and the bodies to use them. We also need to start planitng the tee pole for the Black course.
I will not be out for much work this week and not at all tonight due to club meeting.

Please volunteer if you can, we are in the home stretch of this project. Just a few more nights work and we will be ready. Lets not leave it unfinished, lets get it done by the end of the week and we will be right on schedule to finish by the end of the month. ;)

If you can offer your help, please call me 232-8562.

Thanks

The cooler and little black truck will be there.

The cooler and little black truck will be there.






You heard it folks!
Now get out there and give him a hand, he needs it. You kind of have to keep him on track and away from the track. :o:D

If there is at least three or four guys, this can all be completed this week with some hard work, if we can get more, it will just make it go faster. ;)

Count me in Dave. Thong and I work well together.

We know just how Conners and Lund like their tee pads :cool:

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Yup thanks treat! We may even have one of them out there to direct us. :eek:

Keep up the good work fellas, it's people like you who make the difference.

Keep up the good work fellas, it's people like you who make the difference.

Keep up the good work fellas, it's people like you who make the difference.



What are you planning on not being there? :o

I need no less than 28 days to get my game where it needs to be. I don't plan on winning Worlds, but I sure as he11 want to be in the top 72.

If I can just get a couple of practice putts in before the first round I will be good to go Dave...

I need no less than 28 days to get my game where it needs to be. I don't plan on winning Worlds, but I sure as he11 want to be in the top 72.



What, are you on some kind of monthly cycle biatcch? :o
28 days?
If it isn't any better than when you played me, then you need to consider menopause. :o:D

If I can just get a couple of practice putts in before the first round I will be good to go Dave...




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See MC, that's a trooper! :D

Come on MC, buck up lil camper, we'll be having smores in no time. :o

I need no less than 28 days to get my game where it needs to be. I don't plan on winning Worlds, but I sure as he11 want to be in the top 72.



What, are you on some kind of monthly cycle biatcch? :o
28 days?
If it isn't any better than when you played me, then you need to consider menopause. :o:D



My game is as delicate as your wet vagina...I'm ready for a rematch, anytime.

As soon as you're off the pad, give me a call. :D

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Pulling Hunter would be a mistake.

As others have already said pulling the entire course is way drastic.

If we need to brainstorm about how to keep the equipment safe, then let's do that.

But let's not just jump on the boat with one of Dave's misguided illusions.

Constructive thinking is all we need.

How about this...

We "bulletproof" the course. Make everything stronger and impervious to annihilation.

Maybe we can get some re-bar donated and get a little welding crew out there and do the thing.

Maybe this is not the best idea, but I for one would like to see some other peoples opinions on the matter.

Don't kill a course.

Let me say there is no agenda to have the course pulled. It was only my opinion and if you read back, I asked for any suggestions that some one may have.

Anything that works is worth it not to have it pulled. The city is having problems out there also. A new 9:00pm curfew is in effect at Hunter, I'll bet that will PO the runners and joggers out there. :o

Looks like big brother Rhett is watching us again. Maybe we should all go over and "tack" our comments on the Southern Cal board. :mad:

Yeah and did you see that you can't reply to his post?

If I ever meet face to face with that idiot he might get a slap in the face. :eek:

That's what I'm talking about. :mad:....I see swearing all over the board. Why isn't he doing something about all the other crap? :confused:....We can't help it if the Arky's and the OKC guys come over and swear on our board. If he would do his job and ban those guys then he wouldn't have to show up here and tell us to police our area and force his morality play on everyone. :p

*female dog female dog female dog*

He can patrol all he wants since I'm innocent I tell you. So quit your *female dogging* he can watch all he wants for I care. :eek:

Use some of that energy you guys have *female dogging* at each other and pick up a got darn shovel.

Ok you little Pe-can-neese. :p.....Most of those "female dogs" you are trying to sniff butt on will be "female doggin" it at McClure tonight looking for a big ace payout. :p....Including more than likely.....Your Fearless Leader!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

They can do whatever they want. How is that suppose to affect me? hm.....

Does anyone know when and where the Billy Sims meet and greet will be held???

As a die hard OSU fan you must know that is a tough question to ask :(

It will be at the flymart on Tuesday night.

They can do whatever they want. How is that suppose to affect me? hm.....



Well in Pee-can-neese it means.....

"Ty long dong boocou ditty mou chong lun cow pow moo goo dog dinner"

In Furdog it means......

"Ewe should take some of the twenty-five dollars ewe owe me, buy some brewskees and take the night off and pay homage to the God of big ace pots."

You don't need 28 days to get your game in order. A couple of cold ones and your ready to go. :cool: On the other hand, for Connors and Wise, 28 days will never be enough. :o:D

FYI:

KelDog is in town for couple of rounds today, currently out at Mohawk. ;)

I'll take a raincheck on that one for next week.

and for your $25.00 you know where I'll be tonight.

Dude, I got reprimanded from Rhett via PM...I gotta simma down on the curse words.

You noooooooo...... :eek:

MC getting in trouble NEVER!!

Dude, I got reprimanded from Rhett via PM...I gotta simma down on the curse words.



So does this mean you're going to stop playing Mohawk? :D

You noooooooo...... :eek:

MC getting in trouble NEVER!!



I should have known it would only be a matter of time before he busted my butt...atleast he is doing his job.

I mostly got in trouble for the "lurkers" thread I created.

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dedicated to all you Tulsa FREERIDER sons a ********!

stop being ****** and get your *** out to the course and frikin WORK.

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So he deleted your thread?

Some of it.

MC - At least you got to thrown in some quality ranting and ravings on that thread. IMO - It wasn't as bad as Pitch's flame-out on Jeff ash on the West Ark FDA threads.

Dude, I got reprimanded from Rhett via PM...I gotta simma down on the curse words.



:)

Been there buddy.

Hi Rhett! :D

MC - At least you got to thrown in some quality ranting and ravings on that thread. IMO - It wasn't as bad as Pitch's flame-out on Jeff ash on the West Ark FDA threads.



Yeah that was pretty lame.

BLOGGIN (http://blog.myspace.com/2006amworlds)

Is that a Baskets and Bowling 3 picture in there? SWEEET!

Another good blog, nice kev.

http://static.flickr.com/54/177189235_a5a2178bb6_m.jpg

Am Worlds Winners of Adv, Adv GIMPS oooorrrrrr Masters, and our Beautiful Adv Ladies Champ will all rec'v one of these fabulous sculptures courtesy of Stevie Brinster.

Nice job Stevie!

462 Players already Registered and yet no BILLY LUND!

I guess he isn't playing cuz there are only a handful of spots available for ADV

Maybe he's looking for you to sub for him. :o:D

� an FYI for our hearing-impaired or deaf participants �
.
� my 10-year old daughter Holly is also deaf , so I have some familiarity here � my ASL skills (although rudimentary) will mean that I can �stumble through� conversations with you as needed � granted , I�d rely on your patience with me ; needing to go s-l-o-w-l-y �
.
� but be assured , we will have a �Grade-A� interpreter through TSHA on hand for our 3 main functions/gatherings �
we welcome your attendance ...

Wayne

I can help a little bit there. I'm not fluent, but have quite a bit of ASL experience although I haven't used it in awhile.

Here is the breakdown at 415 players
18 Female
10 Female Masters
4 Female GrandMasters

162 Male
115 Male Masters
47 Male GrandMasters
12 Male Seniors

1 Female JR under 16
3 Female JR under 13

14 Male JR under 19
24 Male JR under 16
4 Male JR under 13
1 Male JR under 10

336 total Male Advanced
32 total Female Advanced
43 total JR boys
4 total JR girls

Red will stumble in the woods and contribute plastic to the pond....... :eek:

Billy Lund will play........ :cool:

Devan will get out on early parole...... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hutch will get caught selling plastic to little children in the woods..... :o

The Texans will run out of good beer by Wednesday night.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Keldog will finish in the top twenty...... :cool:

Twoputt will come up with an excuse and not finish........ :o

Big Nic will avoid keg stands...... :D

Connor's 28 day training video will be sold at Richard Simmons.com ...... :D

Thong will get drunk, oversleep, and miss his tee time..... :(

No matter who wins, "Doc" Morton will still be "The Real World Champion!!!!" :cool:

I dont think so on the Texans running out of the beer

I can't believe this 28 days thing is sticking with me :confused: I never should have went there.

I don't think so on the Texans running out of the beer


So they are going to string a pipeline from Austin to Tulsa and just siphon it uphill?? :eek: ;)

I dont think so on the Texans running out of the beer



Whoa! Who let you in?

Terrill brings up a good point- Anyone coming from out of state, please bring us Okie's some REAL beer! :)

That IS a good idea...looks like I'll be calling up PJ Fry and Dave "maverick" Landis.

Man, I'm so glad that's not going to be an issue where I'm staying /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

KELDOG could bring us a KEG of SUNSHINE WHEAT or BLUE PADDLE...mmmm :D

doggonit, how come this thread wont move back to the top? is it because of that frett guy? :mad:

Terrill brings up a good point- Anyone coming from out of state, please bring us Okie's some REAL beer! :)



I can bring some in from Atlanta. We have an awesome brewery here that makes several flavors. Sweetwater Brewery (http://www.sweetwaterbrew.com/) Check it out and let me know. Just went there yesterday for the "tour". :D

We still need some people with a truck or trailer to finish out at Mohawk on the black course. there are about 5 pads that need dirt and we have had loads of mulch delivered around the course that needs to be put out in the low areas and around some of the tee areas. No ticks or poison ivy for this job. ;)
If anyone has any scrap bricks, bring them out and put them under the one bent board on the bridge, this should fis that problem. probably only need 5 or 6.

Crews will be out there today and tomorow spraying and cleaning up some debris areas, please skip the holes they are working on if you are playing out there.

We still need some people with a truck or trailer to finish out at Mohawk on the black course. there are about 5 pads that need dirt and we have had loads of mulch delivered around the course that needs to be put out in the low areas and around some of the tee areas. No ticks or poison ivy for this job. ;)
If anyone has any scrap bricks, bring them out and put them under the one bent board on the bridge, this should fis that problem. probably only need 5 or 6.

Crews will be out there today and tomorow spraying and cleaning up some debris areas, please skip the holes they are working on if you are playing out there.

Has Billy Lund Signed up for worlds yet?

No. That is to say not that I have heard of lately.

I dont know if Devan has either.

What a waste.

Devan "The Dude" is in. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We still need some people with a truck or trailer to finish out at Mohawk on the black course. there are about 5 pads that need dirt and we have had loads of mulch delivered around the course that needs to be put out in the low areas and around some of the tee areas. No ticks or poison ivy for this job. ;)
If anyone has any scrap bricks, bring them out and put them under the one bent board on the bridge, this should fis that problem. probably only need 5 or 6.

Crews will be out there today and tomorow spraying and cleaning up some debris areas, please skip the holes they are working on if you are playing out there.



My truck is a little under the weather so whenever possible i'll be out there next week.

Is this **** thing over yet?

I'm taking a long break if it is.

Thong, is your truck acting up again?

Just checked the registration update and event is now at 73.1% capacity.

Oh and guess what????

Billy Lund is in!!!!! :cool:

It's about time. ;)

Yup. Should be ticking around by this evening.

Does anyone know if you have to sign up for field events now?

You can sign up for field events on the worlds registration form. If you do putting, distance and edge it will cost $140.

All field events must be signed up for and included with your entry. All sign ups will shut off on the 14th.

I signed up for putting and mini golf. Anyone know any secrets for chunkin those mini's? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Do you have one of those ultimate minis? I can throw those farther than the regulars.

474 players now registered with 127 of those being MM1. The masters division looks like it is just 17 short of filling. :o

I'm in.

Putting and Edge.

474 players now registered with 127 of those being MM1. The masters division looks like it is just 17 short of filling. :o



What is the record for total players at an amateur event?

I think DeMoines has it at 498.

I lugged my cart all the way across the country to Arizona last year, only to not use it.
Can anyone tell me if the courses that will be used for Am Worlds are cart friendly?

VERY CART FRIENDLY!!!!

Only one time will you have to pick your cart up and carry it at Hunter to cross the creek

Yup I've seen Dave Wise lug his around the course. He also got it across the infamous beam before the board was put down.

I live here and will be using my cart on every course. Hunter park is the only one that you will have to get it through the creek but its no big deal. All of the others are extremley cart friendly. ;)

Yes, I lugged my cart across a 3" steel beam for 20ft over the water. :o:D

win a clunker tonight they are giving away 5 cars at the drillers game

Hell I gotta get mine running to get there. If i get put back together in time i probably should head out there. :D

Hey Thong, this one give you tow for the price of one.

http://classifieds.portlandmercury.com/photos/58751f227b33b410d852a088c508f610/large-1131111835-1.jpg

198 Male
21 Female
125 Male Masters
10 Female Masters
51 Male GrandMasters
4 Female GrandMasters
12 Male Seniors

16 Male Jr. under 19
24 Male Jr. Under 16
1 Female Jr. Under 16
6 Male Jr. Under 13
3 Female Jr. Under 13
3 Male Jr. Under 10

WOW!

Thanks Guys!!
The cart will travel again!

Hey, did anyone tell King that he won't be allowed to wear his daisy dukes during worlds? :D

Yes, I lugged my cart across a 3" steel beam for 20ft over the water. :o:D


Wow I would have like to have been there for that
:o:p :o:D
D.P. :D

In the day, when I reigned as the "Real World Champion", I was always inclined to use a cart. However, as a black haired , blue eyed adonis and an international athelete and celebrity, I was constantly mobbed by legions of very attractive super models and movie actresses. Ultimately, I had each disc in my bag carried by one of these bombshells. Others threw rare orchids at my feet so my expensive endorsement shoes wouldnt get dirty. My entourage was a gallery in its self, especially if you include all of the media coverage, paporatzzi and the army of all of my fans that were always there cheering me on. Fortunately for me, since I married Angela, I no longer need such a spectacular atmosphere when I compete. I can now either carry my golf bag or use the ever reliable golf cart. Having played around the world on so many differnt courses, let me assure you that the Tulsa courses are cart friendly. In closing, I may be available for an autograph and photo session for my fans, provided my agent and legal team can work out the details. Get ready for one of the best weeks you will ever spend playing disc golf. REST YOUR EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN, ITS ALL TOO BEAUTIFUL

but he chickened out the first time and walked the quarter mile back around the pond :D

Will the Jr's play from the regular tee-pad's at Hunter,Haikey,McClure and Dovillio

YOU R NOT A JR. :cool:

YES I AM

JR 19 and under.

I am 17 year's old

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::cool::) :( :o :D :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :confused: :D;) :p

There are circumstances that make u older than u might actually be!

Yea if you have committed a felony

example. Barry Bonds!

HGH

Have you been drinking?

Just a bit! :cool:

LOL :D

OK I have put all of the course pics in ONE post

Click on the following links to view the course pics

McClure Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/mcclure.html)

Hunter Course Club Page (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/hunter.html)

BlackHawk, RedHawk, Dovillio and Haikey Preliminary Course Pics (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/debndale@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/7304re2&amp;.src=ph&amp;.tok=phN2P9EBJQFa5d9o)
This Link Opens BlackHawk First but you can navigate to the other course albums from the main index.

D.P. :D


Haikey Holes 5-18 are now available.
Will add the rest in a few days.
D.P. :cool:

DALE,

THOSE ARE GREAT PICTURES OF THE PARKS. ALTHOUGH HAKIEY CREEK BEEN THROUGH SOME CHANGES SINCE THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN. HOLES 11 THROUGH 13 HAVE HAD BIG CHANGES.
THE PICTURES OF DOVILLIO LOOK GREAT.

DAN

Thanks Dan,
I am planning to make a trip to Haikey Tommorrow to finish the pics.
D.P. :D

I am going to be coming for Am Worlds and I got a chance to go play Haikey and Hunter yesterday. I shot a 60 at both parks and was wondering what the pars are at these particular courses?
Without the tee signs it was a bit hard to play a couple of holes but I loved the course layouts. Just kinda wondering how I did compared to what par is going to be for the courses.

When will everyoner realize that Par is a totally irrelevant #. If we call it a par 54 and you were +6, would your score be any different if we called it a par 62 and you were -2? Tournament play makes the number assigned to "par" useless. Count up all the strokes and the guy with the fewest wins, no matter what par is.

By the way good shooting on both those courses Willie. I think they may both be high 50 or low 60 Par.

Par does matter when a player is not present to throw a hole. The player receives Par +4, so it does matter if the player gets a 7 or a 9, right?

Oh, and by the way, I can't believe you left your 8 month pregnant wife at home this weekend. What kind of husband are you? JK ;) Good shootin' yesterday! See ya at World's.

What is par? (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=Ratings&amp;Number=62882&amp;fpart =1&amp;PHPSESSID=)

Good point Melissa. Here is another reason course par will matter at Worlds. I play McClure and I shoot a 50 which is -4 to par. You play Mohawk Black and you shoot 58 which is -4 to par. On a relative basis we shot the same round. So it is a good way to compare your round to someone else's round that played a different course.

Usually I could care less about par because I do not show up late and most events everyone is playing the same course at the same time. These are the two best reasons for par.

You are absolutely correct. In a penalty situation par +strokes is important. Seems like that might be the only time. Otherwise you are just adding up strokes.

And you are right, I am a terrible husband for leaving her home. I was planning on sending my entry for World's this evening, but how can I do that when she is going to be 2 weeks from delivery when World's is going on. Hmmmm... what to do?

I do realize that for tourney play "par" is not an important number, I just thought it would be nice to know what is kinda expected out of these courses. I guess I should have worded it as "What is a good Am score on these two courses?" . Later I found the results from the Haiket Warm-up and realized I had shot a really good round there, of course it was only one round not two.

Melissa, I am glad the mesage earlier got cleared up, as I did not realize that it was Mr Whitley writing about par. I don't know if you remember me, but I am the guy who traded a disc he had won in the tourney for a shirt for his brother-in-law who didn't get one. I was hurt because I thought you were calling me inconsiderate of my wife (who is due Tuesday), when in reality she DRUG me to Tulsa :( :D:D:D because she wanted to buy some baby stuff at Burlington Coat Factory. Now I realize I was mistaken in that reference being to me and feel much better about myself and my disc golf playing! :) Thanks again for the trade on the shirt and
Thank you Mr Whitley for the kind words on the round. I look forward to seeing you at Worlds (good luck with your baby!!)

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Heath and Stacey! And good luck to both of you with your upcoming family additions!

Good Luck on Tuesday Wille and Mrs. Wille! Don't worry about Melissa, she can be mean sometimes. Just kidding Melissa.

When will everyoner realize that Par is a totally irrelevant #.



Why Disc Golf needs consistent par standards:

1. In tournaments when a player is late you need the par for a hole to know what penalty score to give that player. (The penalty is par + 4 for missed holes.)
2. For tournaments a consistent standard allows over/under scoring for spectators and the potential TV audience. A reason to have a hole by hole par established is to compare golfers on different holes. Climo is shooting -7 and Schultz -6 but Climo has played 2 more holes is easier (especially to TV viewers) than saying Climo is at 43 after 17 holes while Shultz is at 37 after 15
3. So that players can judge their progress by comparison to a consistent standard for what an expert player can expect to score on a hole. This acknowledges the reality of par 2, 4, 5 and even par 6 holes.
3.1. One of the first questions that most new players ask is �What is par on this hole?� We should be able to give them a consistent and universally accepted answer.
4. It is easier to keep track of scores in relation to par than by the total numerical value. This is why most players report their score as �6 down� rather than �48�.
5. The reality of disc golf being a golf type game is that the terms �par�, �under par�, �bogey� and �birdie� naturally accompany the sport. It would be strange to have a sport with the word �golf� in it that doesn�t use these terms. If we�re going to use the term �par� then it should have a standard method of determining it.
6. In tournaments such as Worlds with multiple courses you need par to be able to compare players in different pools playing different courses.
7. Par is an important factor for comparing the difficulty of different courses. Otherwise there is an insurmountable �portability error�.
8. Expectations of par affect your mental outlook and your performance. This especially comes into play when you play a new course. If Renaissance Gold is a par 54 then it's insanely hard, but if it's par 70 then it's not as tough. If you think you should take a 3 on a 1000 ft. hole then you will try way too hard, but if you accept that it is a par 5 you can relax and pace yourself.
9. If the term �par� is defined in a multitude of ways by many different people then the term loses its meaning, so it becomes worthless along with the related terms such as �birdie, bogie��.
10. To be able to determine handicaps.

... deadline for Entry is 4-days away ... Friday the 14th ...

No problem, and thanks for the thoughts. We are going in at midnight to begin the process (induce), so a new lady disc golfer should be in the world at sometime tomorrow. I would appreciate prayers for an easy delivery and recovery, as we were in the hospital for 5 days with our first (breathing and heart problems). I am proud to say that now he is a healthy 2 year old and is very close to breaking the 2 and under DG distance record. :D

The Williams' will take over the sport in another few years!!! :D

Keep us posted on the delivery...We should get our 2 yr olds together to play! We could have the 1st toddler division! :D

Keep us posted on the delivery...We should get our 2 yr olds together to play! We could have the 1st toddler division! :D



Lemme know when that's going to happen...my daughter's 19 months and has already shown she knows where the disc goes :D

A toddler tournament - that would be awesome. My wife and I already have our 1 y/o nephew chewing on minis....

Par does matter when a player is not present to throw a hole. The player receives Par +4, so it does matter if the player gets a 7 or a 9, right?





Kinda like someone locking the keys in the car while at lunch. Between rounds :o.

I heard the Mexican food was good though. :D

hey there people in the know !
i have a couple of questions about the fly mart
and about the people helping out with the worlds
who should i get in contact with
thanks jay

Jose for helping out

Joe Rotan about the fly mart if I remember correct.

hey there people in the know !
i have a couple of questions about the fly mart
and about the people helping out with the worlds
who should i get in contact with
thanks jay



FLy mart tables are $100. You need to let us know by this friday if you need to reserve one. If you are able to voulnteer we will put you in contact with Jose`.

Here I am when can you volunteer? I will use you whenever you are available - I mostly need help during the day Monday thru Friday.

I told you I got you in my booth slackenheimer.... :cool:

Spoke with MR Bill Moody today, and he WILL be attending AND participating in the 2006 CAm Worlds.

SWEEEEETT~!!!!

I also talked to Mr. Moody last week and heard the same thing...he says he's gonna win it! It's gonna be one he11 of a week. It can's get here quick enough.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Big Dave, I put in for my vacation 4 months ago, I can't frikin wait either! Let's see, a week of NO WORK, DISC GOLF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN OUR BACKYARD and LOADS OF FUN!!!!

Can't beat that, man!

Big Dave, I put in for my vacation 4 months ago, I can't frikin wait either! Let's see, a week of NO WORK, DISC GOLF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN OUR BACKYARD and LOADS OF FUN!!!!



Can't beat that, man!



I agree, this can't get here soon enough. My wife couldn't believe I'm taking a week off for golf

I can't wait fellas! Mr Rotan will be picking me up at the Tulsa Airport @ 11am on Sat the 22nd. I guess I'd better get practicing :o

Hey, Ashley Hall from Utah is flying in at 11am on the 22nd too! I'll be there to pick her up! See ya Mr. Twisted &amp; Cam!

I wish I could be there with him, brother...we probably won't be coming in until Sunday, but that could change. I MIGHT be looking for a ride back to OKC on the 29th, too, dunno yet. Can't wait to see ya, though, Camateur :D