3000 th post on this disccussion

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I have 30 seconds AFTER the other player has finished his putt and gotten out of the way, the putt is free of any distractions, and I have taken a fair amount of time to assess the putt and mark the lie. After assessing the score and determining if I was going to run at that putt and waiting on a distraction behind the basket, I'm sure I was well within the 30 seconds.

You may want to take a refresher course on the rule book. You seem to add quite a bit to the description of what your allowed to do before that 30 seconds begins. You can try and defend how much time you think you have all you want. You can also tell me You don't take that much time But I have had to play in the group behind you more than once. And I've learned to bring a chair and a lunch.:cool:

801.03 Excessive Time:
A. A maximum of 30 seconds is allowed to each player to make a throw after: (1) the previous player has thrown; and, (2) the player has taken a reasonable time to arrive at the disc and mark the lie; and (3) the playing area is clear and free of distractions.


You can try and turn it to me being old if you want. I may be old and I may be grouchy but the FACT IS you're
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And don't tell me to check the score..... try checking your pocket to see if you have more you want to hand over to a grouchy old man.:eek::p

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Come on Crowel, I see you on here, he's your friend, tell him the truth.

Is he slow or what?

I guess whatever pace Dorries is playing its working out for Him :P
1032 and 1010 rated rounds at the Brent Hambrick Memorial Open.
Currently tied for 6th after day one.

Devon 3 back and tied for 17th.
Adam also 3 back and tied for 17th.
Mr. Crowley furthur back tied for 42nd.

Worlds begins in 2 weeks good luck guys.

Lets put it this way Dale, he is slower than you are.:eek::D

Lets put it this way Dale, he is slower than you are.:eek::D

Wow and that took me years of practice.
He's too young to aspire to such heights :)

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0710/754268.html

I guess whatever pace Dorries is playing its working out for Him :P
1032 and 1010 rated rounds at the Brent Hambrick Memorial Open.
Currently tied for 6th after day one.

Devon 3 back and tied for 17th.
Adam also 3 back and tied for 17th.
Mr. Crowley furthur back tied for 42nd.

Worlds begins in 2 weeks good luck guys.




Well, I guess his pace of play lulled them to sleep. I hear he got the last USDGC spot in a playoff.

Congratulations Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm super stoked that Paul earned himself a spot to the USDGC!!!

He scrapped through the last round to find himself in a 4 way tie for the last two spots. On the first hole of the playoff Paul had the only chance at birdie from about 25 feet. His putt hit too high in the chains and came back out.

The second playoff hole was a tricky downhill, 490 feet or so, into a slight headwind. Paul pimped the drive, finishing about 22 feet past the hole. None of the other 4 were closer than 45. They all missed their attempts and Paul stepped up, went through his routine and drained the putt for his spot! The playoff continued for another 4 holes and Brent Koontz won the other spot.

I can't wait to get back to USDGC in October and show the world what us Okie's can do!

it was super sweet. it was just as adam described... what an awesome feeling to pump that drive downhill and then sink the putt with a gallery of people watching on.

I gotta give some thanks to the tulsa crew for supporting me. I had josh carrying the bag and adam right there with us for support. Not to mention the slew of text messages I was getting telling me to keep it up. I also gotta give a big thanks to devan the DUDE for being willing to give me tons of pointers and tips the week before in the couple rounds we played together, it was fun travelling with these three guys.

USDGC ... Here we go again!

slew of text messages I was getting telling me to keep it up.

Dude!!!...If you took Viagra your girlfriend wouldn't have to constantly remind you all the time.:D

Congrats!!!:)

Great job Paul on earning your USDGC spot! Now we need the last of the three muskateers to get his spot. Use the force Crowl!

Looking forward to getting back in the disc golf mix. Coaching an Under16 basketball team is very time demanding.... Haven't played a weekday mini in over a month. Hopefully I can shake off some of the rust and go out and play at a decent level.

If you ever have time to help out some kids, It is really appreciated. Hopefully we are making a difference in somebody's lives.

Riverside Glide should be ultra saucey this year with the west side in the mix.

Is there a McClure mini tonight?

Riverside Glide should be ultra saucey this year with the west side in the mix.

Dude,....west side is not in the "Riverside mix" this year.

Evidentally the only difference you're making with the children's lives out there is to feed them mis-information.:rolleyes:

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Is there a McClure mini tonight?
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Dude,....west side is not in the "Riverside mix" this year.

Evidentally the only difference you're making with the children's lives out there is to feed them mis-information.:rolleyes:

i must have been mis-informed myself. I could have sworn we were playing it. Oh well.

And i have not been mis-leading them..... Notice how they are not at Chandler taking out your novice division, lol..... They will be soon.

And thanks Wayne... I haven't recieved the latest-and-most-up to datest 6 pager yet.

McClure tonite looks like it will be the only chance I'll get to play golf this week..:(:(:( Who wants a beating :D

Work getting in the way?:D

I wish it was work... Grab your mug and come out!

Are you running this one, or is Joyle ?

im going to take your bag tag today duff! (yeah, im going to shoot THAT bad) :P

Your course TD Joyle Deering will be running tonights main event...

Your course TD Joyle Deering will be running tonights main event...
Scores ???

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Whats so funny....I jumped 40 tags.......:D

Hey Joe Ro I noticed you had an event on the OK Yahoo Calendar...
I was in the process of putting together a local schedule for the Bartlesville area.
In it I include tournaments in our region when I publish it.
I didn't see anything on the TDSA home page.
Is this event still on ???
Thanks
D.P.

Joe had to cancel those dates. Duff picked them up..

I figured something had happened since I hadn't heard anything.
Thanks for the Info Mike.
D.P.

found this in the tulsa world...???

Letter to the Editor: Sad contrast

By George Noland, Tulsa
Published: 8/2/2010**4:09 AM
Last Modified: 8/2/2010**4:09 AM

I sat down at the bar in a well-known spot in Brookside recently to enjoy a refreshing "adult beverage."

In a short time I was surrounded by eight or ten young men in their late 20s or early 30s having a few cold ones themselves. Some were loud, rather obnoxious. Honestly, I doubt if they knew any better.

I finally deciphered from their conversation that they'd been playing in a disc golf tournament, quite a different concept than those in my memory. In the 1960s, the Junior League annually held a fund-raiser pro-am tournament at Southern Hills. Professional golfers played in the one-day event, teaming up with local golfers who paid a fee. A good time was had by all, I assure you.

I had the opportunity to volunteer as an event marshal, a job that consisted largely of crowd control. Because I attempted to play golf on weekends, it was enjoyable to get up close and personal with many of the game's stars. Afterwards, we visited in the clubhouse with Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, Billy Casper, Champagne Tony Lema, Gary Player and Doug Sanders. It was a grand day for a worthy cause!

I'm a bit saddened by the contrast between a golf tournament with style and good taste 40 years ago and a disc golf tournament played and celebrated today by the same age group, but exhibiting extremely vulgar and tasteless lack of style and good taste.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=62&articleid=20100802_62_A9_Isatdo473897

lol i know exactly who that is about :P

Hatton, when you go to the bar afterwards, please put on a clean wife beater.:cool:

What a bunch of BS!!!

I say we find out where this George Nolan lives and go by and sharpie his house!!!:cool:

100% of the reader comments were pro Disc Golfers and blasted this guy is, whoever he is..

found this in the tulsa world ...



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I just looked on the main page of the message board showing user stats....

I was shocked to see the following

Current member users : 67

Guests: ....................1,000.

That sure is alot of non PDGA users looking in on the board.

Something to keep in mind when posting.

D.P.

They're just like our club.:( We have more non-members participating at evey event than we do members.:(

There are lots of players that get info but choose to lurk, over paying a membership to post. :cool:

We have more non-members participating at evey event than we do members.:(

Who cares?....Membership is overated vs being an Admin and getting a free company care with all the other perks.:D

If the club really wants to make money then our thread should be "Pay per view".:)

Well 1 way to increase members would be to mandate that to hit the ace pot at any TDSA mini you have to be a member before that round even starts.

No more waiting till you hit an ace to sign up.

The same logic could be used on the C.T.P.

Well 1 way to increase members would be to mandate that to hit the ace pot at any TDSA mini you have to be a member before that round even starts.

No more waiting till you hit an ace to sign up.

The same logic could be used on the C.T.P.

Sounds Like what I was told the Kansas City Club does :cool:

Sorry but I dis-agree only because most or at least a large percentage of what is going into the Ace pot is coming from non-members.

That's why I poposed they get half. That way, they still pay in for the chance of a big return on a dollar.

Nah, I say double their membership fee deduction from $20 to $40 if they hit an ace and give $20 to the TD.:)

All about you, isn't it?

And just what does that do for the club or the courses?

All about you, isn't it?

And just what does that do for the club or the courses?

it allows him to buy a bottle, which (usually) keeps him away from the club or the courses, so it does help mildly wise.

Uh oh........................................
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be ready hatton, I'm sure you will receive both barrels.:eek:

Well WTH have you done for the club lately except mooch and freeload on the club schedule so you can save some bucks sending your kid to the Rose Bowl. Who's lining who's pockets on that deal????:cool:

What a "bogart" you are.:mad:

Everybody out there needs to understand that beavers are not the problem at Centennial.

It's the BIG WEASEL in the black Avalanche who runs the events out there who is the problem.:rolleyes:

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At least Duff's events bring money into the club.:eek:

How much of the club's money has been given to Centennial? $0,00

How much has the club been asked to donate to any event at Centennial? $0.00

How many TD's can say they haven't asked the club for any hand outs? Me for one, any others?


Centennial continues to generate new players that play the event's in Tulsa.
While it may not generate money for the club, in turn it doesn't suck off of it either.

While at the same time, any money raised for Centennial, gets used out there.
I just installed another practice basket out there, at my cost of $180 and I didn't even have to ask the club to pay for the concrete to put it in.:eek::cool:

I do appreciate the club letting me utilize their schedule though.

Oh and just so you know, the money raised at Centennial for the Rose Bowl, will be divided equally over all of the band members that are attending. That still leaves me with about a $900 bill as of right now. They still have other fund rasiers going on so we don't know the official amount yet. I could have skipped the event, taken the money I spent on it and have over 1/3 of his trip paid for.:(

But instead I chose to to try and help, even though you have done nothing but knock it since day one. :cool:

How many TD's can say they haven't asked the club for any hand outs? Me for one, any others?

Your math sucks. Giving you a primetime spot on Saturday probably cost the club $100 and based on the number of players I saw slipping and falling on their butt on that slick # 2 tee pad maybe you should have at least asked for TDSA professional concrete finishers to help you.

Next time, put the kid in charge.:D

Bartllesville has the same problem with their new ones. These contractors don't understand what a rough finish is. :(

Don't talk to me about what I cost the club. They **** away more in donations to events than I would have raised. Look at it this way, I saved them money by not asking for a donation.:cool:

Besides, what have you done for the club since the baskets were installed at Chandler. SQUAT, thats what you've done. You've become a TD pimp, whoring out your course to anyone that comes along. :p

AND, you're not even a good TD pimp, you're letting them keep all the money.:eek:

What have I done???

It's called Public Relations buddy!!!

Hanging out and manning the TDSA table at the Chandler Summer Concerts Series!!!

That's right while the rest of you are just hanging out petting your pet roc's, Marie and I and a few others have been mingling with the County Park elite and handing out free glow products to the little kiddies. The cost of which is right out of my pocket just like the Xmas lights last year.

This year I'm going to dump the TDSA sign though and be like you, an independent operator with my own secret club and selling discs though the Rec center and pocketing the profits. Maybe be a little more like you and promise stuff I can't deliver.:rolleyes:

And you're right. All these people running my minis is making me feel like such a slut. First is was little Treat and then Duff got PO'd and then Gumby wanted a piece of the action. Now the "Slim'ster" is coming in for a two week engagement.

Then I've got to deal with that little wiener Patterson double-dating his Bartlesville poon-tang on my Thursdays.;)

There is just no respect anymore and everyone is out there running amuck.:o

Personally nowdays I only like working big events with 120+ players but I guess you wouldn't know what is like considering it takes about three or four of your events at Centennial to equal the turnout of one Chandlerstock:D

Chandlerstock was built before you had it. And yes, you ARE a SLUT!

I love the Thursday bartllesville minis, I go every week. Easier to get to B-ville than it is Chandler.

What haven't I delivered? If you're going to say benches, you need to get a new biatch. The benches and trash cans are the cities deal. If it were'nt for your precious Obama, then maybe the city could afford it.:eek:

Lets not talk slush funds.......you give all your extra to the Park Freinds.
Talk about a political cluster puck. Then they turn around and tell you something cost twice as much as it should. It smells of kick backs.
No big surprise you don't complain.:cool:

All this elbow rubbing you're braggin about? Funny how Marie just got a new Camaro, was it tagged and registered to Chandler Stock?:p

No wonder the powers that be up there keep retiring, its a he11 of a pension plan. Why don't you see if they get get a second set of chains for those baskets, that cost less than $1,000. Tell them to go to Home Depot and not the County pruchasing office.:eek:

Personally nowdays I only like working big events with 120+ players but I guess you wouldn't know what is like considering it takes about three or four of your events at Centennial to equal the turnout of one Chandlerstock:D


And Centennial's little event raised $3,000. How much did you raise for park friends with your 150+ players?

Park Friends $500

Marie -
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That just make you even a bigger SLUT!:D



Thats right folks, become a TD and a new Camaro could await you.
Just ask FurDog or Jerry Stacy.:p I think Slim is going to pass on the new car and pay off his college loans. Wayne has made enough to retire.
Duff is still looking for the right angle. Joyle is too laid back to care.
And I give all mine to the Owasso city parks dept becuase I like my avalance better than the Camaro.:cool:

What have I done???

Then I've got to deal with that little wiener Patterson double-dating his Bartlesville poon-tang on my Thursdays.;)

There is just no respect anymore and everyone is out there running amuck.:o


I would love to work with the Tulsa Schedule. :) :) :) :o :)
Which day would you suggest that I put it on ??????????????????????
Like I have ALREADY said you guys have every day covered
and have left me no choice.

AND as far as accusing me of scheduling over someone elses event...
Thats like the pot calling the kettle black :P

Dale.....................

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Dale.....................

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Yeah Yeah I know, I felt I was being called out ;)

Not called out, he was just throwing out some

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Thats like the pot calling the kettle black.

Dave's right. Just when you think you're out of it I drag you back in.:)

Here kitty, kitty, kitty.....;)

If there is any "pot" in DG it is probably being smoked.:rolleyes:

And yes I was calling you out.

We used to get those "rubes" from B-ville down here before you started horning in on our business.:(

But that is ok you guys can freeload, mooch, and ride our coatails because we are the TDSA and you guys are just the pimples or "clingons" on the backside of our success.:D

Yeah I had mercy on them. :P
$10 in gas just to play a $10 mini, plus ace, ctp.
$22 bucks up front. Just to play. ???????
Most players don't even come close to getting their money back making that trip :P
Get used to there being minis in Bartlesville :) And ocassionally Pawhuska...
As well as Annual Tournaments its not going away.
D.P. :)

How about helping the pros and change the entry from $5 to $10?

This thread is so entertaining.

and I havent asked for any handouts.......yet.

of course, i've only run two minis so far. so my stat is kinda skewed.

Jost so that all of you know...................

this person
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and this person are related and think the same way.
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so my stat is kinda skewed.


No, your stats are screwed. No TD should be allowed to mark a CTP, then throw it and make it and collect it.:mad: BOGUS!

On top of that you were the only one that got to throw in the day light.:(

Come on Slim don't cheapen this down to Chandler standards.:D

Well just so all you non-TDSA members out there know, starting in September the TDSA will run an payout experiment at their minis for one month based on a Dave Wise suggestion.

Should you cash you will get 20% percent less than a current TDSA member. This includes non-member women and juniors.

Welcome to Dave Wise's Disc Golf America.:cool: Who's your Obama now?:rolleyes:

If you're a non-TDSA member he wants you to be a member even though he not willing to throw in contributions from his cow pasture himself. I asked him if he is going to follow this policy at his course and got no-comment.

Personally I would prefer all of you to become TDSA members as well but would hope that you join because you want to be a part of the club and make a difference and not because you're getting screwed out of 20%.

I can only imagine that Mr. Wise's next suggestion will be that we charge you non-members $2 for the hot dogs at the TDSA picnic as well.:eek:

No, your stats are screwed. No TD should be allowed to mark a CTP, then throw it and make it and collect it.:mad: BOGUS!

On top of that you were the only one that got to throw in the day light.:(

Come on Slim don't cheapen this down to Chandler standards.:D

thats just comical.

i even apologized for making the first shot.

i won't lie though. when it went in, i had recollections of furdog adding money to a casino hole, only to have YOU go up right afterwards and ring the chains. only mine stayed in. :)

yeah, screw slim and his night ctp's, cost me my putter. i want a refund.

had you thrown it in the basket like you were supposed to, and followed the example i set, you wouldnt have lost your putter, now would you?

remember the rental car lady from "planes, trains, and automobiles"??

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i believe her line to steve martin was... "you're f***ed"

I have averaged around 20 players a mini for the last month in Bartlesville.

I was curious how much larger the potential player pool of Tulsa versus B'ville.
Tulsa 591,982 versus Bville 34,747. Of course this does not count any surrounding cities.

Tulsa alone has more than 17 times more people than Bville.
So where I have 20 players per mini.
Tulsa to equal the same per/capita percentage would need to have....
340 players per mini.

You guys have it good but there is still alot of potential there....

Hey, there are finishes that can be applied to existing concrete that have a rougher non slip texture they can be found at several stores and have a sand grit embedded in them that should make the tee pads non or less slip in wet weather they were designed for home owner applications to remedy slick concrete steps and decks. probably not cheep but an application in the final third to quarter of the pad may fix the issue and be cheaper than a re pour.

I have averaged around 20 players a mini for the last month in Bartlesville.

I was curious how much larger the potential player pool of Tulsa versus B'ville.
Tulsa 591,982 versus Bville 34,747. Of course this does not count any surrounding cities.

Tulsa alone has more than 17 times more people than Bville.
So where I have 20 players per mini.
Tulsa to equal the same per/capita percentage would need to have....
340 players per mini.

You guys have it good but there is still alot of potential there....

except tulsa has other things to do other than disc golf. what else are people going to do in bartlesville? inbreed?

Well just so all you non-TDSA members out there know, starting in September the TDSA will run an payout experiment at their minis for one month based on a Dave Wise suggestion.

Should you cash you will get 20% percent less than a current TDSA member. This includes non-member women and juniors.

Welcome to Dave Wise's Disc Golf America.:cool: Who's your Obama now?:rolleyes:

If you're a non-TDSA member he wants you to be a member even though he not willing to throw in contributions from his cow pasture himself. I asked him if he is going to follow this policy at his course and got no-comment.

Personally I would prefer all of you to become TDSA members as well but would hope that you join because you want to be a part of the club and make a difference and not because you're getting screwed out of 20%.

I can only imagine that Mr. Wise's next suggestion will be that we charge you non-members $2 for the hot dogs at the TDSA picnic as well.:eek:

Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.

Deducting 20% will mean this, if there are ten people in your division and you win 1st place, a TDSA member would receive $19.00. A non-member would receive $15.00. The $4.00 from the non-member will go to course maintenance and or course additions.

We pay out 3 spots, so if you win 3rd as a non member, you will receive $7.00 instead of $8.00. Only cost you $1.00 to play a TDSA mini as a winning non-member

So, that player has paid $4.00 towards the cause of maintaining and upgrading our courses. The member, has already paid $20.00 towards the same thing. And, the member received a Pro Boss, TDSA Tag, mini and has all the priveliges of voting, running for office etc.

This isn't a screw job to non-members. It is a way to reward membership and get non-members, who play just as much or more as members, to contribute towards the courses they use on an ongoing basis.

We are trying this for one month, the last real month of minis. Over the winter we will take your comments, results etc into account and make what we feel is the best decision for all disc golfers in our area.

By the way, think about it, this is actually costing the TD's as well since they will not be paying out the $4.00 in plastic in my example.

Be patient. We are testing this and we are open to any ideas as to how to make our club and this scene better.

Things to do in Bartlesville ???
Well to name a few....

Leagues and Tournies for the following:
Baseball, Softball, Ball Golf, Tennis.
College Basketball and Baseball and Soccer.
All Bartlesville Bruin Sports.
Soccer duplex for the kids.
Running/biking paths all thru town.
There is a shooting club/range in town.

Cool sites to see:
Woolaroc, The Frank Phillips Mansion, The Phillips Museum,
The Frank Lloyd Wright tower downtown.

Things close by:
Wild Mustang Preserve.
Tall Grass Prarie preserve
Osage Hills Park
Sutton Aviary

Events thru out the year:
Sunfest, Kidsfest, OK Mozart Festival, Indian Summer Festival.

No we don't have alot of bars like Tulsa :P

But we do have disc golf at Sooner Park :)
Soon to be a complete 18 holes again. :)
The flood water project is on track to be finished in August.

Maybe we can get a Saturday on the Tulsa Schedule to preview the newly finished 18.
D.P.

My post was aimed at Paul D :P

How about helping the pros and change the entry from $5 to $10?
I will take a survey and see what the response is.
I already know what your vote is :P

Good point Dale. You're WAY ahead of Tulsa.

inbreed?

hey don't knock it, it got you put on this earth.:p

FurDog is right, I am the one that made this proposal to the club.

Reasons:

To increase the value of membership
To provide an incentive for non-members to join.
To create a funding mechanisim for course improvements, so that Tulsa can host another major event.
To not charge all non-members for attending an event, this will only affect those non-members who cashed. No increse in entries.

But the biggest factor for me was that over 90% of payouts at EVERY mini are paid to non-members.

With this proposal, it makes membership a true value.

for $20 you get all the swag Michael mentioned, which is worth the entire $20 and you will get paid more than non-members, should you cash at an event.
And voting rights and a free hotdog.

I thought it was a fair proposal that answered several problems that the club was facing. They looked it over and decided on the 30 day trial.

If other members or non-members have other ideas that could address the problems of membership and course funding, then please, present them to the Admins.

If you're an admin that chooses not to show up for meetings or vote, then shut the he11 up.

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[QUOTE=mtreat;1434676]Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.QUOTE]

Maybe but I'm against pushing this on women and juniors. That and it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.

it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.

when was the last time you had to do a payout anyways?

But the biggest factor for me was that over 90% of payouts at EVERY mini are paid to non-members.

Yeah and probably 90% of the players attending those minis are non-members as well. If a non-member has paid his dollar at 20 minis then he has already paid the price of membership but just doesn't hold the swag. Based upon the amount of non-members that currently support the events vs the current members wouldn't you agree that non-members currently support this club 3 or 4to1 over members?:confused:

[QUOTE=mtreat;1434676]Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.QUOTE]

Maybe but I'm against pushing this on women and juniors. That and it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.


Whats being pushed on them?
Will they pay more to play than they do now?

They're non-members, we can't push anything on them. They choose to play by choice.

So you can't take 30 seconds to see if a winner is a non-mem?

It only took me about 40 minutes to calculate how much was being lost and I had to go back over and do 14 minis all divisions. So it will take a TD about a minute to figure who is a mem and who is a non-mem.

So basicaly you are saying you don't have one extra minute of your time at a mini to give to help the club raise money?:o

From that I'd be surprised you wipe your *** each time. That sure has to take more than a minute.

Based upon the amount of non-members that currently support the events vs the current members wouldn't you agree that non-members currently support this club 3 or 4to1 over members?:confused:

Thats probably about right, if you're talking about attendance.
So ask yourself, why are they not members?

All those dollars you are saying they contribute, they are taking right back out in payout. Dollar in, dollar out leaves the club with how much?

When you mention support, I think of paying members that help the club with its events and activities. Your idea of support is, paying an entry.

When you mention support, I think of paying members that help the club with its events and activities. Your idea of support is, paying an entry.

So you're saying that Coda paying his $20 for membership is going to entice him to show up on a work day or help you run a tournament?:rolleyes:

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.:o

Im not opposed to this idea, though i believe their are better ways to make money for the club and increase membership. However it seems rather foolish to me to inform the golf population that this is a 30 day deal. As now they assume in 30 days they will place a few times, losing 3-5 bucks while simply waiting out the 30 days of little increased membership so it goes away. This trail would have likely had great increases in membership until you told all the non members it will go away soon because they are all just losing little to nothing for a few weeks then they can go back to the old way.

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.:o

You're asking the wrong person, according to you, I'm no Td. That's a question for your fellow administrators.

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.:o

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.

So you're saying that Coda paying his $20 for membership is going to entice him to show up on a work day or help you run a tournament?:rolleyes:

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.:o

Because at the point you are "winning" real money in events your not really an am..

Sports. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.

I couldnt agree more, how many rich fags went out and bought golf clubs because tiger woods became a celeb...

I agree Hatton. My proposal was to not announce anything to the non-mems. As a club we don't have to, they are non-mems, period. Also, I didn't propose a trial period for the very reasons you just mentioned. I am very appreciative of the admins for allowing me to make the proposal and for voting on it.

And if you have ideas for the club, then please propose them.

My proposal was not to discourage new players from coming out. It was designed to collect from those that take from the club on a regular basis. Its not hard to see, just go back and look at the riverside thread or the chandler thread. Almost always the same people. These are not new players that are trying us out. These are players that have been coming out for a while now. This doesn't affect a newbie who doesn't cash. If I were them, I wouldn't join either, if I didn't want the swag pack. But now, there is some real incentive to join. If it becomes permanent, you get a swag pack and more money.

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.

I don't necessarly think so Paul. I was first exposed to soccer in grade school and it wasn't because some Pro showed up at school and did an exhibition. "Mad Pacman Soccer" rules and is what it was all about and now they have college scholarships for it.

You didn't see too much of it on TV back then and I doubt you'll ever see professional DG on TV only because it can't compete from a mass "viewer" point of view like some of the other major sports out there.

You didn't see too much of it on TV back then and I doubt you'll ever see professional DG on TV only because it can't compete from a mass "viewer" point of view like some of the other major sports out there.

But there is a large population of people that WOULD watch pro DG on tv, pro DG merely has the same problem the TDSA does. It cannot convince 80% of its players/fans to join the organization, showing statistics on paper to those with money to back it.

Dang, Hatton, you're smarter than the usual wife beaters we get around here.:cool:

Just don't give him your email or phone number.:eek:

You didn't see too much of it on TV back then and I doubt you'll ever see professional DG on TV only because it can't compete from a mass "viewer" point of view like some of the other major sports out there.

Most people never thought they would see poker on TV either, and look at how big it is now.

I'm not comparing disc golf to poker, it can appeal to way more people, but I am saying that every sport goes through a developemental stage. I knew someone who just 15 years ago was playing poker games in garages and back bedrooms because it was still really underground.

Professional tennis used to be the same way, a long time ago before there was money in it, players would stay at people's houses etc. when travelling around playing tournaments.

I'm just saying neglecting the pro, and making them pay more, and having AM only events all the time isn't the strongest way to grow our sport.

If you don't have a pro division, you just have a bunch of people bagging down and taking plastic from your precious ams.

Drop you're anti-pro b***sh** statements and think of better ways to grow the sport and the club.

Paul, you would have to agrree that our current pro structure that the PDGA offers is flawed. I don't agree with the AM only all the time. It has a place though.

We do need to find a way to raise pro purses to more than just our entry fees plus what ever the TD can rob from the ams. It will require sponsors, cash sponsors.

You are correct with your statemnt that if the Pros grow, so will the ams. Truth be know, they would probably grow faster if the pro divisions were more attractive.

Paul, you would have to agrree that our current pro structure that the PDGA offers is flawed. I don't agree with the AM only all the time. It has a place though.

We do need to find a way to raise pro purses to more than just our entry fees plus what ever the TD can rob from the ams. It will require sponsors, cash sponsors.

You are correct with your statemnt that if the Pros grow, so will the ams. Truth be know, they would probably grow faster if the pro divisions were more attractive.

Couldn't agree with your statements more. Its all about the overall growth of the sport, without neglecting pros OR ams... Am only events are GREAT and certainly have their place... I'm not just sitting here complaining either, there are definitely plans in the works to get more cash sponsors for our local growth.

I just can't stand it that he thinks you don't need to cater to pros and give them certain perks, but you do, especially the ones trying to make a living off the sport.

Here are some of my thoughts on this issue;

What is the purpose of TDSA? Can someone point me in the direction of a mission statement?

I would guess that TDSA desires to grow the sport of Frisbee, mainly disc golf. That growth is achieved through running events, developing and maintaining courses, etc....

Our desire as a club is to get people interested and excited about Frisbees. Not to make money. Money is a very useful resource. Is TDSA having an issue with finances? Is that why we are trying to increase our membership?

What does a larger membership mean for TDSA? More influence in the community? More leverage with the PDGA? The ability to attract sponsors for the various events we promote?

What makes a non-member a bad thing? I think that non-members who participate in minis are awesome! Everybody who plays in a mini is giving money to TDSA! We should be encouraging people to participate in minis. Not giving them a reason to not play!

As a club, we would be much better off talking to people individually and explaining why becoming a member is a good idea. Tell them how TDSA has installed and maintained courses throughout the years. Invite them to one of the great events that TDSA puts on. Explain to them that becoming a member not only supports TDSA, but allows them to become involved in the process!

What is being proposed is equivalent to telling people that if they are not a member, we don't want them to participate! That's absolutely ridiculous!

I think the modified payout table is a horrible idea. I will not play any minis for the month of September.

Just some ramblings...

Yeah....what ^^^^ said.

I knew I wasn't all alone out here.:)

Its not that people are really being told they are not welcome unless they are a member, its more saying "hey, you enjoy the same benefits as a member without paying your bill like members do" I have no idea what the TDSA does with all the money it makes, but most clubs recycle that back into maintaining courses, building courses, and running tournaments. So why should I, as a paying member, support these courses for all players new and old to enjoy disc golf, when theres 10 dudes out there for every 1 member that is playing, destroying, trashing, wearing and tearing golf courses down.

Hey Hatton. According to the TDSA website you are not current. What's up with that???:confused::)

Mr Treat, being very busy of late with tournaments and campaining all over the world to become state coordinator, has been a slack arse and hasnt added me yet, or given me my free disc! :P haha

very good attempt to undermine my thoughts though sir, sadly however you ended with the usual result of failure :) better luck next time!

Mr Treat, being very busy of late with tournaments and campaining all over the world to become state coordinator, has been a slack arse and hasnt added me yet, or given me my free disc! :P haha

It doesn't matter. The list is "THE LIST" and if it doesn't show you current when the time comes you will receive "Special Treatment" under the new Obama-Wise rules.:p

Neither Opie or Mike Treat are showing to be current either though I believe they have paid and got their swag. I guess they just haven't notified the club webmaster yet.

It seems to me everyone has the same goal here... to grow disc golf (with our main focus being locally), to maintain the courses we all enjoy, and to have fun.

Can we agree on that point? Is that not the goal of all this? To be honest, I feel like people should have the choice to become a member based off of their own desire to be a part of our community. I think benefits for members are a great idea, but penalizing non-members is not the correct route to take. Looking at each non-member as value taken away from the club is not fundamentally sound with the goals of growing the sport and making it attractive to new players.

What if it was someone's first mini last night at riverside and they are greeted with "by the way, all non-members are going to receive less money for cashing than members will." That isn't going to entice me to be a member of something I am trying out for the first time, it is may make me frustrated and disappointed if I make it into the cash and don't even have enough to buy a disc!

Wise, I think a lot of your ideas are good, and you obviously care a lot about growing the sport (your dedication to Centennial is very, VERY respectable), but I can't side with you on this non-member tax, if you will.

This is one area of "funding" that should be overlooked, and different ideas of fundraising be brought to the table.

It boils down to the following.

Do you only offer swag to be a member ???
And/Or in addition do you lessen the direct benefit of being a non-member.

On the lesser benefit...
You should only do the lesser benefit without making an announcement.
The word will eventually get out.

Also the people who do not choose to become members...
ARE RECEIVING A BENEFIT !!!!!!!!!

If 100% of these funds are diverted to course maintenance and improvement
Those non members are enjoying the benefit of a course in good condition,
as well as participating in the minis.

Some argument can be made for a lesser amount diverted to course improvement
as it may seem inflated compared to membership seclusion from this lesser benefit.

:)

What is the purpose of TDSA? Can someone point me in the direction of a mission statement? You would have to ask Wayne, I'm not sure if they have a written mission statement.

Our desire as a club is to get people interested and excited about Frisbees. Not to make money. Money is a very useful resource. Is TDSA having an issue with finances? Is that why we are trying to increase our membership? While I'm not an Admin, I can assure you the club is not having financial difficulties. However, in the near future the club will require a large infusion of captial in order to host a major event. The city will not be able to assist with this. The responsibilty of the courses has always been on the shoulders of the club. This doesn't come cheap. If the club doesn't make money, then you don't have events to play or new courses going in. These things don't happen with just peace, love and tye-dye.

What does a larger membership mean for TDSA? More influence in the community? More leverage with the PDGA? The ability to attract sponsors for the various events we promote? Yes to all three. In addition the club will need a larger active membership to pull offf a major also.

What makes a non-member a bad thing? I think that non-members who participate in minis are awesome! Everybody who plays in a mini is giving money to TDSA! We should be encouraging people to participate in minis. Not giving them a reason to not play! Being a non-mem is not a bad thing. We were all non-mems at one time, we were all newbie's at one time. Yes, everyone that playes is giving money but members are giving more and getting less than those of you that continually play minis but don't join.
How is it not giving a new member a reson not to play? Did is cost the new player more to play? No. It only affects those non-mems that play a lot of minis, who cash regularly without being a member.

As a club, we would be much better off talking to people individually and explaining why becoming a member is a good idea. Tell them how TDSA has installed and maintained courses throughout the years. Invite them to one of the great events that TDSA puts on. Explain to them that becoming a member not only supports TDSA, but allows them to become involved in the process! I agree and I can say I have see just about every TD in town use this approach on new players. It hasn't worked.

What is being proposed is equivalent to telling people that if they are not a member, we don't want them to participate! That's absolutely ridiculous!
Then why are you a proud member of the PDGA at 5 times the ost of a TDSA membership? They charge ALL non-mems to play their events an extra fee over the entry. We are only talking about charging a fee to those that cash. Adam, do you think you can go out to Meadow Brook every day and play without a membership? Can you go to All American to work out day after day without some type of membership? I'd have to answer no to both of those questions. So why is it wrong of the club to allow ALL players to enter at the same price, member or not but to charge a small fee against those non-members that continually cash at most club events but refuse to be a memebr, such as yourself.

I think the modified payout table is a horrible idea. I will not play any minis for the month of September.
I'm sure you do feel that way, since you are what we were trying to address.
Adam, would you not agree that your disc golf career, along with Paul's and josh's would not be where they are without the club's support? let me clarify that....had it not been for the club and all of the courses and events that they have made available to you to play, would you now the pro you are and a proud member of the PDGA?
Why is it that you feel you are entitled to full membership benefits without the price of a membership? Why is it you feel you are above or against a membership with the club that has helped you grow as a player but gladly pay your money to the PDGA?

Plain and simple the club needs an endowment type of funding to insure that they can host the major that you and other players have asked for.
Had it not been for the club that you choose not to be a member of you would have :
MClure, Haikey, Hunter, Dovillio with Dirt pads, NO Hawks, No Lodge, NO Moose Run, No Centennial.........and thats about it.......get the point.

Who do you think made that happen? Members.

What have you done for disc golf lately Adam? Or ever?

It seems to me everyone has the same goal here... to grow disc golf (with our main focus being locally), to maintain the courses we all enjoy, and to have fun.

Can we agree on that point? Is that not the goal of all this? To be honest, I feel like people should have the choice to become a member based off of their own desire to be a part of our community. I think benefits for members are a great idea, but penalizing non-members is not the correct route to take. Looking at each non-member as value taken away from the club is not fundamentally sound with the goals of growing the sport and making it attractive to new players.

What if it was someone's first mini last night at riverside and they are greeted with "by the way, all non-members are going to receive less money for cashing than members will." That isn't going to entice me to be a member of something I am trying out for the first time, it is may make me frustrated and disappointed if I make it into the cash and don't even have enough to buy a disc! Paul, we are not talking about the guy that comes out for his first mini, or his second or third. It will not cost the new player anymore to play than it does now. We are talking about the same 20 players that play 4 minis a week ansh 90% of the time and are allowed to do this will all the same benefits of being a member. How is that right?

Wise, I think a lot of your ideas are good, and you obviously care a lot about growing the sport (your dedication to Centennial is very, VERY respectable), but I can't side with you on this non-member tax, if you will.

This is one area of "funding" that should be overlooked, and different ideas of fundraising be brought to the table.

Please come up with some ideas on how you might raise 15K over the next 4 years, in addition to what the club already supports financially. The club may shoot this down in 30 days. It's yet to be detrmined. But I can assure you if the club does not establish some type of funding, ohter than memberships, you not have the tournaments you want in your back yard or should I say the quality of torunaments. You can disagree with my idea. But answer me this. If you all feel all non-mems should have all of the same advantages at events and everything that the club does, then why bother having memberships at all, why bother having a club?

Peace, love and tye-dye, right?

Put in conrecte with that, buy a course with that, host events on just that. Good luck with that.:confused:

Everyone, especially Adam is quick to critizie but offers no solution.
Why would the non-mems, like Adam NOT want it to change. They're not a member now, haven't been and don't plan on being. But they will sure be the first in line to accept what ever the club wants to provide them.

Wise, are you telling me all those accomplishments and AWESOME things the club has done for the Tulsa disc golf community have actually happened??

How on earth did you accomplish all those things without charging non members 50% or 30% of whatever percent of their payout??

There are other ways to make money than taking from payout. Why is that such an important issue?

The club has a great list of achievements under its belt, and they seem to have been able to do all of this without the tax to non-members.

Why all the effort and energy to charge non-members now? Is the club getting short on funding? Perhaps other methods of fundraising can be drawn up instead of this. Why is this way of making money so important? Is there not any other alternative?

It boils down to the following.

Do you only offer swag to be a member ???
And/Or in addition do you lessen the direct benefit of being a non-member.

On the lesser benefit...
You should only do the lesser benefit without making an announcement.
The word will eventually get out.

Also the people who do not choose to become members...
ARE RECEIVING A BENEFIT !!!!!!!!!

If 100% of these funds are diverted to course maintenance and improvement
Those non members are enjoying the benefit of a course in good condition,
as well as participating in the minis.

Some argument can be made for a lesser amount diverted to course improvement
as it may seem inflated compared to membership seclusion from this lesser benefit.

:)

Agreed

[COLOR=red]Please come up with some ideas on how you might raise 15K over the next 4 years, in addition to what the club already supports financially.

Don't patronize me like you are this all knowing disc golf guru of tulsa. Yes, you have been around longer than me, YES you have done WAY more for this community than I have, but why use the same condescending argument that I bring nothing to the table.

If you want to personally attack me, I have ammo. I've only been on the scene for a couple years now, and it has taken some time to see what a good member does for the club. I have run for an admin spot because I think I could help with good ideas, unfortunately I was not voted in. Second, I have chosen an alternate route to helping out our community through the Oklahoma Disc Golf Foundation, it is just in the start up and it will be a great addition to the local disc golf scene. I have plenty of ideas and plans that are going to be utlilized through the foundation.

I'm simply saying taxing payout for non members isn't smart in my opinion.

If you are referring to the same 40 or 50 people that cash and aren't members, then why not personally address them and convince them why they should be a member, versus just squeezing their wallet, so to speak, by taking away from what they have won.

not that I won't entertain more discussion on the issue, I think I've said my peace and I gotta get some stuff done today. I will be checking responses though!

Wise, are you telling me all those accomplishments and AWESOME things the club has done for the Tulsa disc golf community have actually happened?? Yes, they have.

How on earth did you accomplish all those things without charging non members 50% or 30% of whatever percent of their payout??
We are talking 20% of their payout.

We were fortunate enough that Joe Rotan established the true growth progam with Innova and they allowed us to have a special exclusive disc for 6 mothns of sales. This allowed us to generate over 30K that was ALL spent on courses and equipment that now everyone enjoys. This with the city pulling and additional 15K from the 3rd penny sales tax to pay for the baskets, tee signs and some of the concrete at Mohawk.

There are other ways to make money than taking from payout. Why is that such an important issue? Please tell us the magical ways to make money over what we do now. It's important because our courses are in horrible shape. Agree? If, we as a club plan on hosting a major, then all of the courses need to be brought up to championship caliber. This will cost money, lots of it. I don't see any donors stepping up and standing in line for this. Have you guys found any tax free cash donations under your new ODGF?

The club has a great list of achievements under its belt, and they seem to have been able to do all of this without the tax to non-members.
The club got lucky for worlds. And we accomplished the installation of Mohawk and all the others in less than one year. Can we do that again? Can we get that lucky to have that type of funding arrangement again?
It would be an embarressment to all of us if we get accepted for a major and we are not ready. Remember the NT at Pawhuska?

Why all the effort and energy to charge non-members now? Is the club getting short on funding? Perhaps other methods of fundraising can be drawn up instead of this. Why is this way of making money so important? Is there not any other alternative?
I came up with this after doing some research for past minis. As it turns out over 90% of all payouts are going to non-mems. In the past I proposed all non-mems be charged an extra dollar for each event. The club didn't like the negative of that. So with this, we only charge the ones that cash. This way it does not discourage a new player from coming out to play. Paul, a lot of clubs charge non-mems an extra fee of $1 or $2, the PDGA does. On top of that, a lot of clubs will not let a non-mem hit an Ace pot. PERIOD. The club is not short on funding for their normal activies and events. But have you seen any money going into courses? No, because its not there. This is something that will allow the club to generate funds over the next 3-5 years, so that when the event comes, we as a club are ready.


As I said, if anyone has other funding ideas, please give them. I just felt that this way increases the benefit and value of being a member, while at the same time getting those that use our events to help pay for upkeep of the courses they play on at all times. As Dale said in an above post they still benefit.

Don't patronize me like you are this all knowing disc golf guru of tulsa. Yes, you have been around longer than me, YES you have done WAY more for this community than I have, but why use the same condescending argument that I bring nothing to the table.
I wasn't Trying to patronize you. I'm not saying you bring nothing. This converstion is bringing something. Possibly a solution, Thats what I was asking for.

If you want to personally attack me, I have ammo. I've only been on the scene for a couple years now, and it has taken some time to see what a good member does for the club. I have run for an admin spot because I think I could help with good ideas, unfortunately I was not voted in. Second, I have chosen an alternate route to helping out our community through the Oklahoma Disc Golf Foundation, it is just in the start up and it will be a great addition to the local disc golf scene. I have plenty of ideas and plans that are going to be utlilized through the foundation.
I wasn't knocking you or the OFDG. One thing you may not know, is, in the proposal I made to the club, ALL of the money raised was to be held by the ODGF and disbursed through them. Win win for both orgs. I was saying that I'm sure you can agree, donors are not lining up to give money. I'm sure you will also agree, things don't get done without it.

I'm simply saying taxing payout for non members isn't smart in my opinion.
Of which you are entitled to.

If you are referring to the same 40 or 50 people that cash and aren't members, then why not personally address them and convince them why they should be a member, versus just squeezing their wallet, so to speak, by taking away from what they have won.
Why don't you ask one of your best friends that question. These people have been around for a while. They have seen what the club does, they have seen what the club provides but they choose not to support it. They play in the minis to cash. I find it hard to believe they just show up so the club could make $1 off of their entry, their way of showing support.
Paul, all of the TDS have been pushing memberships and they are up form years past. And since I'm entitled to my opinon, I feel its not enough.

Memberships are up because now there is actually a swag pack included where there wasn't one before.

Wise, you need to get off your HIGH horse. You just had a good event at your course and did you give current TDSA members a better deal than non-members? Why not? Some of the same non-members that cashed up there cash routinely down here.

You remind me all the time how the TDSA contributes nothing but free advertisement to your course and that is exactly the way you wanted it so you can have total control up there.

Don’t throw Moose Run into that because it was a combination of the TDSA, private donors, and camping fees paid by both members and non-members. And while it was mostly members that stuck around all day watching t-pads there were also a lot of non-members out there helping a various times as well.

If you don’t like the $20 swag bag then don’t renew your membership. You already went � a year as a non-member before I reminded you of it.

And it’s funny you’re not mentioning the other trial deal going on next month where any non-member that hits an ace over $50 will only get half of the cash and a calendar year membership with the rest going back into the TDSA.

That’s right. I said it. Go ahead and put that on your “Kick Furdog Out of the TDSA” campaign.

And why are we thinking about an Am Worlds when we haven’t even pumped up the Am Jam yet?

I want people to become members too but this “elitism tax” you are trying to create is not the way to go at this time.

It’s like your feelings are hurt because 8 out of 10 players are non-members and they are kicking members butts when it comes to cashing.

Also, for the record. I applaud Wise for crafting this idea and presenting it to the tdsa board. And I applaud the TDSA for trying it. Even though I am opposed to the idea, I think it is great that the effort was made on both ends.

I think you came up with a crafty fund raising idea at your centennial event with the wager ring. I'm not saying this is a reliable way for future funding, I'm simply saying little ideas like this are other ways of generating funds.

If I can come up with some additional ideas for the TDSA, I will. I didn't realize funding was an issue, I know a certian percentage of entry and CTP money already goes to the club and thought it was doing fine. I am sure the financial information of the club is not readily available to members and since I am not an admin, I do not know the details of the clubs needs for funding. I'd LOVE to see the plan for what this funding will be used for (big tourney? championship caliber improvements to courses?) before I get on board to help bring ideas to the table. From a general member's perspective, I see the club doing fine as is.

FurDog, get a clue and get off the I'm against anything wise says. We are talking regular minis and thats all. Which you might know that if you ever decided to show up for an admin meeting as we elected you to do.

Moose run - would you have concrete if not for the TDSA? Did they pay for 100% of the concrete?
nuff said.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I felt NO repsonsibility to annouce it to NON-Members.
Based on that then should the club make all of its decisions public to all?

Did I ever say AM worlds? No, I said a major, is that not what they want the AM jam to be? That could be Worlds, NT, Pro, Am.....but a major with lots and lots of players.

Its not being elitist, its a user fee. Not ashamed of it.

As I said earlier, get a clue, that last statement has nothing to do with it.

Tell you what, why don't you get off your trash anything and everything wise says or does, quit trashing admins right and left for their vote on something that you chose not to participate in and offer something constructive to the conversation.


Maybe if you had shown up for the meeting on the proposal and maybe if you had shown up for the next month's meeting to vote on the proposal you might, just might understand it.
Instead you choose to go around your own admins and announce something your way when they had already voted to do that in a timely manner.
I don't have to start a campaign to have you removed. You're doing a great job all by yourself.

Here's one Paul.

Have the ODGF sell a tax deductable "punch card" good for 20 choice mullies at any TDSA mini. One or two mully only use per event. $20 for non-TDSA members. $10 for members.:)

Also, for the record. I applaud Wise for crafting this idea and presenting it to the tdsa board. And I applaud the TDSA for trying it. Even though I am opposed to the idea, I think it is great that the effort was made on both ends.

I think you came up with a crafty fund raising idea at your centennial event with the wager ring. I'm not saying this is a reliable way for future funding, I'm simply saying little ideas like this are other ways of generating funds.

If I can come up with some additional ideas for the TDSA, I will. I didn't realize funding was an issue, I know a certian percentage of entry and CTP money already goes to the club and thought it was doing fine. I am sure the financial information of the club is not readily available to members and since I am not an admin, I do not know the details of the clubs needs for funding. I'd LOVE to see the plan for what this funding will be used for (big tourney? championship caliber improvements to courses?) before I get on board to help bring ideas to the table. From a general member's perspective, I see the club doing fine as is.

The proposal was that ALL funds genrated form this would go 100% to course improvement. I suggested that none of it be placed in the general fund. I also suggested the they rank the courses from top to bottom of need, with McClure being on top and Balck on the bottom. The reason for black on the bottom is so that this time when we donate all of this money and work to their parks system we document it. Once we have a track record of doing this, then use that to get the city to help with Mohawk. That course will require heavy equipment and man power. The club does not have that. When the ice storm hit and damnaged that course, the city was paid a hefty sum for trees to be removed from in there. Have you seen the blue dots and orange dots on the base of the trees? Of which would not have been accessable had it not been for the installtion of the course. Before the course, no one had been in there for 25 years. They kept the money but did no work. That fact with what we have done for them, should help out bid to get their assistance with tht course. There trucks and trucks of wood that need to be cleared and hauled out. All of the ditches, water hazrads, all of it.

That was my plan. I was looking for a long term funding arrangement. We will have new players coming in all the time and players going out of the game all the time. new ones coming in in 6 months will never know the difference. The ones that are still around and non-mems will have either accepted it or joined From Adam's post it may be the last time we see him at a mini.

The club is doing fine on money but it needs more for the level of tournaments we want here.

THAT MEANS PRO AND AM EVENTS FURRDOG!

Also one of the things my Dad is bringing as new "SC" is a blog that will have all financial info on the TDSA along with other info that he believes should be public info.

Here's one Paul.

Have the ODGF sell a tax deductable "punch card" good for 20 choice mullies at any TDSA mini. One or two mully only use per event. $20 for non-TDSA members. $10 for members.:)

Now thats constructive and a good idea.

Here's one Paul.

Have the ODGF sell a tax deductable "punch card" good for 20 choice mullies at any TDSA mini. One or two mully only use per event. $20 for non-TDSA members. $10 for members.:)

Not a bad idea at all. I'll be sure to bring it up at our next meeting.

One of the goals for the OKDGF is to take some of the financial burden of course maintenance off of the TDSA. There will be a lot of documentation of our foundation goals and ideas once we really get off the ground. We are in the process of setting up a solid base for the foundation to grow on before we start the ball rolling on implementing ideas, but we are close.

Back to the TDSA, I think the main thing to watch should be the reaction of the players who aren't members. It is just my opinion that it isn't fair to them. If they don't really care about the 20% or even notice it, then I guess I don't see the harm. I just would hate for someone to feel wronged and cheated by the club over a measly 3 or 4 bux of their payout. If it ends up not being a big deal with the non-member players and it isn't a deterent of newcomers, then I may change my views on it.

Paul, you had mentioned earler, that is would prevent them from getting a disc. With our current payout structure most players cashing in the Ams will not have enough to get a disc. We are talking about a $10 payout being $8 or $5 being $4. Its really not that big of a difference. But as a whole it adds up accross all players. I think this is why most of the TD's have started to allow banking of winnings by players. If they don't have enough, just bank it until they do.

I was talking with someone else just bit ago and they made a statement that rang true. With most of our players that participate in the INT and ADV and PRO divisions, they have been around for a while now. If they are not members by now, then why not? These are not newbie's.

Also, I like what you said about the ODGF and its mission. This would be great to have an outlet to administer course maint and upkeep. This would allow the TD's to do what they do best, run events. I know you don't agree with whats on the table now. But we have to start somewhere if we want courses and top events. That I know we agree on. This will be interesting to see where we are in 4 years, with the ODGF coming on. Looks promising.

ATTENTION TULSA DISC GOLFERS:

If you are looking for a place to beat the heat, and bring your disc golf game to a new level, Blackhawk is still being mowed and is playing really TIGHT right now. Splash on some bug spray and check out the course...

It looks so beautiful right now!!! It would be playable for a mini as is, and with a few trimmed limbs could even host a tourney.

I've been out there four times in the past couple weeks and it is really a joy to play right now (try to stay in the fairways for maximum enjoyment! haha)

What is the purpose of TDSA? Can someone point me in the direction of a mission statement? You would have to ask Wayne, I'm not sure if they have a written mission statement.

Our desire as a club is to get people interested and excited about Frisbees. Not to make money. Money is a very useful resource. Is TDSA having an issue with finances? Is that why we are trying to increase our membership? While I'm not an Admin, I can assure you the club is not having financial difficulties. However, in the near future the club will require a large infusion of captial in order to host a major event. The city will not be able to assist with this. The responsibilty of the courses has always been on the shoulders of the club. This doesn't come cheap. If the club doesn't make money, then you don't have events to play or new courses going in. These things don't happen with just peace, love and tye-dye.

So, we need more money because are courses need work and to run events? Very reasonable, in my opinion.

What does a larger membership mean for TDSA? More influence in the community? More leverage with the PDGA? The ability to attract sponsors for the various events we promote? Yes to all three. In addition the club will need a larger active membership to pull offf a major also.

So, we can agree that a larger membership is a good thing.

What makes a non-member a bad thing? I think that non-members who participate in minis are awesome! Everybody who plays in a mini is giving money to TDSA! We should be encouraging people to participate in minis. Not giving them a reason to not play! Being a non-mem is not a bad thing. We were all non-mems at one time, we were all newbie's at one time. Yes, everyone that playes is giving money but members are giving more and getting less than those of you that continually play minis but don't join.
How is it not giving a new member a reson not to play? Did is cost the new player more to play? No. It only affects those non-mems that play a lot of minis, who cash regularly without being a member.

Members give $20 more a year. They get more benefit than non-members; disc, tag, mini, the right to vote, etc....

As a club, we would be much better off talking to people individually and explaining why becoming a member is a good idea. Tell them how TDSA has installed and maintained courses throughout the years. Invite them to one of the great events that TDSA puts on. Explain to them that becoming a member not only supports TDSA, but allows them to become involved in the process! I agree and I can say I have see just about every TD in town use this approach on new players. It hasn't worked.

While it may be true that TD's do this, in the three years that I have been participating in minis, I have never had anybody (TD or not) personally encourage me to join the TDSA. (FYI, I am a current member of TDSA)

What is being proposed is equivalent to telling people that if they are not a member, we don't want them to participate! That's absolutely ridiculous!
Then why are you a proud member of the PDGA at 5 times the ost of a TDSA membership? They charge ALL non-mems to play their events an extra fee over the entry. We are only talking about charging a fee to those that cash. Adam, do you think you can go out to Meadow Brook every day and play without a membership? Can you go to All American to work out day after day without some type of membership? I'd have to answer no to both of those questions. So why is it wrong of the club to allow ALL players to enter at the same price, member or not but to charge a small fee against those non-members that continually cash at most club events but refuse to be a memebr, such as yourself.

It is wrong to charge non-members unequally. I think a one dollar non-member fee per mini is much more reasonable. If one non-member plays better than another non-member, he pays? Ridiculous.

I think the modified payout table is a horrible idea. I will not play any minis for the month of September.
I'm sure you do feel that way, since you are what we were trying to address.
Adam, would you not agree that your disc golf career, along with Paul's and josh's would not be where they are without the club's support? let me clarify that....had it not been for the club and all of the courses and events that they have made available to you to play, would you now the pro you are and a proud member of the PDGA?
Why is it that you feel you are entitled to full membership benefits without the price of a membership? Why is it you feel you are above or against a membership with the club that has helped you grow as a player but gladly pay your money to the PDGA?

Is TDSA a for-profit organization? TDSA is not a members only club. TDSA is a group of people who love Frisbees and seek to encourage the growth of Frisbee as a sport/hobby. One of the main reasons I go to TDSA events is to support the TDSA. We need more reasons for people to become members. Next year, we should do the bag tags for members only. We need more members only events. Discounts for members at large events.

You're calling me the problem that you are trying to fix. Look how it has made me react? Still think it's a good idea?

Plain and simple the club needs an endowment type of funding to insure that they can host the major that you and other players have asked for.
Had it not been for the club that you choose not to be a member of you would have :
MClure, Haikey, Hunter, Dovillio with Dirt pads, NO Hawks, No Lodge, NO Moose Run, No Centennial.........and thats about it.......get the point.

I have never asked TDSA to host any type of event. I am very grateful for all that TDSA, yourself included, has done.

Who do you think made that happen? Members.

What have you done for disc golf lately Adam? Or ever?

I'm questioning the merits of your idea, not you. I hold no illusions about my level of influence.

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.
Sorry but you have it back wards the pro pool is fed by the ams the more ams that play and compete the more graduate to pro status :)
you feed the ranks of pro players by increasing the base number of am players not the other way around, Us-el (the strength at the base of the pyramid)
Hey Paul look at it this way study the AMWAY model if you doubt the facts of the base needing to grow to support the top.:D

:rolleyes:Wise, are you telling me all those accomplishments and AWESOME things the club has done for the Tulsa disc golf community have actually happened??

How on earth did you accomplish all those things without charging non members 50% or 30% of whatever percent of their payout??

There are other ways to make money than taking from payout. Why is that such an important issue?

The club has a great list of achievements under its belt, and they seem to have been able to do all of this without the tax to non-members.

Why all the effort and energy to charge non-members now? Is the club getting short on funding? Perhaps other methods of fund raising can be drawn up instead of this. Why is this way of making money so important? Is there not any other alternative?
Why? because the PDGA is making it increasingly more expensive to put on big time top rated events and sanction them (we have had this discussion for two months last year) you are a CPA and as such you must know about balance sheets.:rolleyes: upper tier events B, A, and NT all require added cash minimums that must be met, that costs extra. Pros like yourself all require extra amenities that are not required for recreational players IE longer tougher courses that do not suit the general playing public, concrete tee pads, first rate baskets, manicured courses, benches, trash cans, huge event staffs, event parties, and the list goes on and on.
Because the TDSA is not a government agency we cannot print money or draft labor so we are face with raising money to pay for what you want:rolleyes:
DUH

I just want to throw my 2 cents in this crazy discussion.

I am a "Non-Member" I enjoyed helping Haikey get back on its feet with some new holes to throw at. And I always enjoy helping clean up blackhawk before a tournament.

My point is, Membership does not put the drive in someone to help when help is needed. And its not like the club is going to turn me away from helping just because I am a "Non-Member".

With all that being said, I have been apart of the tulsa disc golf scene for about 7 years and never had a reason to become a member. But if I know I will be losing money by not being a member, then sign me up.

I think it was Adam that suggested just adding a dollar on top of the entry fee to Non-Members, and do away with the idea of deducting it from the winnings. This is the way to do this !!! you will eliminate confusion and delay. and possibly generate more money for the club. "since that is really what all this is about"

Adam, while members give $20 a year and yes they receive a benefit, they actually give more. People that are members tend to get involved. For example Paul , Josh and Dr. Jim. The more we have involved the better the club can become. But while you feel members are recieving a benefit, I feel non-mems are receiving just as much benefit without any comittment.

I'm sorry no one has approached you. Is that what it required to get you to join this year? Were you not aware of what the club provides to you and others all over town?
Why did you decide to join Adam?

Since you are a current member, then congratulations. I guess you joined for the 1st time just recently. If you had been a member previously, your name would still be listed. I apologize for that, all I had was the TDSA site to go off of. I guess we can agree it needs updated. That was another topic at the meeting, to keep the list current.

I can agree with you that it would be best to charge all non-mems the same way. But the club wouldn't buy off on that one. I have approached them with it. It was strongly voted down. In addition, the club would raise a little more money charging all non-mems an extra dollar than the format I proposed. Not much more, I designed this one to try and raise the equivilant of an extra dollar per person. The totals are almost the same. Based off of conservitive projections the club could raise close to 10K by the time a major rolls around.

The TDSA is a Not for profit org. I'll tell you like I told them when I got into the club. Not for profit doesn't mean you have to be broke. Not for profit means we don't keep the money, it doesn't mean we can't build it up for a major project. It takes capital to run an org and grow it and the bigger it gets the more capital needed. 6 years ago, the club only had to take care of about a half dozen 18 hole courses. That has since doubled but the money we collect hasn't kept up. Some not for profits have some of the biggest bank accounts around and they do many good things in their communities with that money.

I agree with your member only events, bag tags and discounts.
I liked Furdogs idea of a member mulligan punch card, although could be hard to coordinate unless all players have access to mulligans.

I never said you asked for any events to be put on. I asked you to answer if the TDSA has helped make it possible for you to be the player you are? and If so, why not a member? I will quickly admit, that if it weren't for the TDSA, I would't be the half arsed golfer I am now. I would'nt have worked on Worlds, I wouldn't have put in Centennial, a lot of things I wouldn't have done and others I'm sure could say the same. There have been many before us that did huge things for disc golf in this town. Why? They were part of the club.
The club is why we all play minis, right?
The club is why we have new courses, right?
Then why doesn't every one join the club?

Its an ever changing landscape of whos is moving and shaking within the club. I predict Duff to be the next big mover and shaker locally. We also now have the ODGF, which I expect to help take us to the next level. As long as we have a strong membership, we as a club can do just about what ever we can imagine.

I don't mind you questioning the merits of it. Thats how things get resolved. My accusations towards you were based on your complaints and the fact that you didn't show up as a member, while offering no solutions or alternatives.
I am obviously wrong on that one. You came back with constructive critisism and observations. I commend you for that. Thanks for supporting YOUR club.

I do wish your level of influence were stronger though. Many of the new players look up to the top pros in the area and seem to follow their lead. Be it good or bad.

Sorry to be so harsh earlier but this is something that I have questioned for a long time. Why be a member? How can we make a membership more desireable, create value and raise money at the same time. Now with the club's swag pack, you get your $20 worth right up front. But to me thats not enough. I want nicer courses, I want bigger events, I want a larger membership. And I'd like to get it all for free, but I just don't see that happening.
SO if we don't address this ourselves no one's going to do it for us.

Martin,

Why are you trying to explain this elementary idea of yours to me like I don't understand it? Do you think I believe the sport will grow bigger just by catering to professionals? Obviously not, it is a two headed monster, a complete package. You won't grow the amateur side alone, it would only get so big if you focus solely on amateurs. It has to be looked at as one entity, pros and ams. Both sides must be catered to and grown with equal amounts of effort.

If you need me to explain that concept any further, or you disagree with it, then you are TRUELY, with all respect, wasting my time.

If you would get off your high horse of the PDGA being this money sucking monster, you would realize that they are actually doing a good job by promoting the amateur side by supporting programs like EDGE. They are also doing their best to grow the professional side by increasing awareness of the sport and increasing the professionalism level.

You have this concept that I don't understand the way it works, when honestly, it is you that does not understand. You bring the same arguments to the table every post and I'm quite sick of it. I am an avid fan of growing our sport, but it can't be done solely by catering to ams, and neglecting pros like you do by not sanctioning your events (pros care about sanctioned events because it is how we measure our professional success). Southern nationals has figured out a way to cater to the pros by having a huge event every year with a great payout, and they are non sanctioned, but I don't see the same mentallity from you. You just think the pros are a waste of resources and energy, and you are wrong. Some of your precious AMs will leave the nest someday and want to play pro, and when they have nothing to play for anymore, you are neglecting part of the community.

I may be able to explain it to you better if you were willing to listen to me, but since you probably won't even read my post in its entirety, I will stop here and go about my day by brushing away that annoying buzzing fly noise in my ear.

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With all that being said, I have been apart of the tulsa disc golf scene for about 7 years and never had a reason to become a member. But if I know I will be losing money by not being a member, then sign me up.


I think it was Adam that suggested just adding a dollar on top of the entry fee to Non-Members, and do away with the idea of deducting it from the winnings. This is the way to do this !!! you will eliminate confusion and delay. and possibly generate more money for the club. "since that is really what all this is about"

Abe, just asking but why have you never consdiered being a member before?
Is it because you got all the same stuff without having to buy a membership? If, so I undesrstand.

And yes, I have seen you volunteer your time on numerous occasions. THANK YOU!


I am in FULL agreement with the $1 extra, that was my first approach about a year ago. You are right, less confusion, easier accounting, doesn't deduct from the TD's plastic profits but I was told that was a negative sounding approach. I was told, "hey welcome new player, we want you to play but you're going to have to pay more than the others" and they didn't want that.

Now with your comments and the fact you are not a member maybe it will be considered in the future, after this 30 day test.

Abe, why did you join the PDGA?
Was it to avoid the $10 temp fees or another reason?

Martin, I think you are off a little on the concept. Both events have a place. And Pauls is right, its a two headed monster. You can't have one without the other. New players become Ams, Ams become pros. No different than any other sport.

I tend to think the PDGA needs to become just what their name says. Move the ams to a new org, where they can be true Ams. Use the PDGA to market the pros like they should be. Make it a true Professional Org. I'm not saying do away with the Ams, just give them their own organization, sanctioning and division.

FurDog, get a clue and get off the I'm against anything wise says. We are talking regular minis and thats all. Which you might know that if you ever decided to show up for an admin meeting as we elected you to do.

8 out of 14 admins showed up for that meeting. I've missed exactly 3 meetings since I've been an Admin and I was even going to meetings as a member back in the days of AM Worlds. You can gripe all you want about me missing this meeting but don't single me out because if you do then you should bring in everybody else that can't make it to these meetings due to work or other responsibilties. In this case I doubt whether my voice alone would have changed this vote and I'm sure those the that voted for this did so cautiously. I'm not accusing them of being greedy.

I remember one time I asked one admin why we don't post some of this information on attendance, who voted for what, and other things and I was told that members voted us in based on trust and because of that we don't need to share that information. In other words IMO there is no individual responsibilty or accountabilty like when the Congressmen voted in the universal health plan that might put you out of business. It's just a small group of "good intention" guys in a meeting somewhere.

Yeah I missed the meeting and for the first time ever I asked that the minutes be emailed to me and all the others that didn't attend so they and I would be in the loop and why shouldn't they be. I made some comments about excluding women and juniors and I asked when will this be announced publically and got no reply.

So yeah I threw it out there because why wait? You don't think I would have complained like I'm doing now after the public announcement and how would that announcement be made? At the next mini?

I can tell everyone that I understand the intentions of the guys that voted for this are good and the fact they just want to do this as a one month trial is great. I know you got good intentions too.

I know that there are a lot of members as well as non TDSA members that read this board that can't post and I would suggest to them that they go to the TDSA contact page and call the Admin of their choice and voice their opinion because I don't want to hear it at my minis. Everybody knows how I stand and it not just because it was your idea. It's just not what this club was founded on IMO.

And for those of you that want to run for Admin, take note of Dave's suggestion that if you can't make it to the meetings you shouldn't be an Admin.

Moose run - would you have concrete if not for the TDSA? Did they pay for 100% of the concrete?
nuff said.

Well if Marie and I pay back the club the cost of the concrete can I get the exclusive "Me only" deal you get in Owasso? It might take a lot of minis for me to make that money back but at least I'll gain the personal independance you enjoy.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I felt NO repsonsibility to annouce it to NON-Members.
Based on that then should the club make all of its decisions public to all?

I don't see how a little transparantcy based on my comments above would be a problem.

Its not being elitist, its a user fee. Not ashamed of it.

Well maybe us TD's making money off these courses should start paying "User fee's" to the city and county when they mow our courses. We ARE running a "business" out there you know. I know for a fact if if one of those mobil Taco trucks sets up shop at Chandler the sheriff would be all over it.

Perhaps we should make up a story of the city and county charging us a "User Fee" and that is what we are going to force these non-member slackers to pay for.:D

As I said earlier, get a clue, that last statement has nothing to do with it.

Tell you what, why don't you get off your trash anything and everything wise says or does, quit trashing admins right and left for their vote on something that you chose not to participate in and offer something constructive to the conversation.

This is constructive. I have not mentioned any Admins by name. I am only voicing my opinion publically as an Admin in dis-agreement in hopes that after next month they vote to reconsider. And what difference does it make if I do it now and after the official announcement?:confused:

And let me ask you another thing. When you or any TD is personally running an event and you've gone out and bought 90 players packs worth of stuff out of your own pocket do you really care when you see the same non-TDSA members you're griping about here cashing over current members?:cool:

I tend to think the PDGA needs to become just what their name says. Move the ams to a new org, where they can be tur Ams. Use the PDGA to market the pros like they should be. Make it a true Professional Org. I'm not saying do away with the Ams, just give them their own organization, sanctioning and division.

Great idea, the two should be looked at seperately. Each type of player has different needs and functions. How cool would our sport be if we had a qualifying school like the PGA... I'm not saying we are that big yet, but it is a sweet idea!!! People always ask me how I became a pro, and it sucks telling them, "well, I just accepted cash and I was pro."

it would be awesome to say I graduated "q-school" and now am eligible to become a pro.

I don't care who wasn't there.

8 out of 14, all I know is you are the only one that wasn't there that is complaining.
You are the only admin voicing a public opinion when you CHOSE not to vote on it.
You are the only admin putting club business out there for public consumption before the attending admins had a chance to write any type of offical announcment.
You are the only Admin that has voiced anything against it. I know others voted against it but their not coming on here an crying like they have been fouled somehow.

Just how does this affect you in ANY way? You don't play minis, you bought a lifetime membership to avoid ever having to pay again, you don't TD anymore.
You randomly attend meetings, if you're in the mood.
Why do yo even bother with any of it anymore?

So how is this any skin off your nose?


The non-mems have more right to complain or voice their opinion than you do.


As for the players packs, again you are confusing a tournament with regular minis.

Great idea, the two should be looked at seperately. Each type of player has different needs and functions. How cool would our sport be if we had a qualifying school like the PGA... I'm not saying we are that big yet, but it is a sweet idea!!! People always ask me how I became a pro, and it sucks telling them, "well, I just accepted cash and I was pro."

it would be awesome to say I graduated "q-school" and now am eligible to become a pro.

it would be nice to say you qualified. Maybe by winning a certain amount of cash in a year or points, or ratings, but something.

Some one asked me what it takes to be a pro once, I told them about an extra $30 bucks.

Yes Dave, I did not see any benefit in being a member of the TDSA in the past. If these ideas stick, you will see my name on that member list come january. This is the only year that I have said, "man I wish had a bag tag". Duff and others have done a great job in bringing some exictement back to old ideas that have died on the vine. I think adding the dollar on top of mini entry fees for Non-members will only help grow the club. nuff said (from a Non-Member)

As far as me being a member of the PDGA. Sometimes I question why I am. I dont really play enough events for the $10 fee to effect me. I do however like they ability to join in the conversations on the discussion board and I enjoy having a current rating to compare to others. :)

Thanks Abe, I hope the current Admins take notice of your post and answers.

I couldn't agree more.

I don't care who wasn't there.

8 out of 14, all I know is you are the only one that wasn't there that is complaining.
You are the only admin voicing a public opinion when you CHOSE not to vote on it.
You are the only admin putting club business out there for public consumption before the attending admins had a chance to write any typ of offical announcment.
You are the only Admin that has voiced anything against it. I know others voted against it but their not coming on here an crying like they have been fouled somehow.

Just how does this affect you in ANY way? You don't play minis, you bought a lifetime membership to avoid ever having to pay again, you don't TD anymore.
You randomly attend meetings, if you're in the mood.
Why do yo even bother with any of it anymore?

So how is this any skin off your nose?


The non-mems have more right to complain or voice their opinion than you do.

Well I'm sorry I ruined your pity party Dave.

You're right. The website calls me a "Distinguished Life Time Member". Which means at some point without even knowing whether I would still be interested in this club, the people, or the sport in a few years, I paid four years worth of memberships for nothing. Funny you should call me out on that though because when I look at "The List" there are more of "US" than there are of "YOU".

And just for you, I'll be back on the 26th and all of next month. I don't expect to see you anyway.

I will go ahead and cover the 20% of any non-member that cashes at my minis for the month of September.

I will give the club it's normal 20% of the CTP and $1 per player and probably go ahead pay cash instead of plastic to any current TDSA AM member that hits its. I'll try to come with something equally of value for any current TDSA Pro player.

As for the Ace pot, it seldom gets above $50 but should it be more than that then if you're a non-member expect a membership and half of your cash going back to the TDSA.

Here that Ams, play Chandler next month and get paid in cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No deductions for non-members at Chandler.

Grab it while you can, he may not be there much longer.

No telling what the future holds.
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and we can still dream..............

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There will be a 20% "weed and alcohal" tax for anyone "non-member" smoking or drinking in the parking lot or on the course though.

I'm calling that "The Centennial" rule.:D

Actually what I could do is run a "Double-Mini" at Chandler.

Those that like this policy will play the TDSA mini on Bear's Liar for $4 per person payout and those that don't like the policy can play an outlaw mini on Moose for a $5 per person payout. Separate ace pots and CTPs.

80% payout for one, 100% payout for the other.

Cat's and dog's living together!!!!:eek:

I wonder which mini the crowd will flock to???:)

Go ahead do that, I think thats a great idea.


That should do the trick of toasting yout tenure.

Here that Ams, play Chandler next month and get paid in cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No deductions for non-members at Chandler.

Grab it while you can, he may not be there much longer.

No telling what the future holds.
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How about a 90 day probation period instead?:confused:

Go ahead do that, I think thats a great idea.


That should do the trick of toasting yout tenure.

You're just PO'd because I thought of it first.:D

I believe I might be up for re-election in November so can't you wait until then?:(

Otherwise you might turn me into a martyr.;)

: upper tier events B, A, and NT all require added cash minimums that must be met, that costs extra. Pros like yourself all require extra amenities that are not required for recreational players IE longer tougher courses that do not suit the general playing public, concrete tee pads, first rate baskets, manicured courses, benches, trash cans, huge event staffs, event parties, and the list goes on and on.
DUH

I am an AM player Martin and I want all of those things. lol you are suggesting that there are people out there that would not want concrete tee pads, first rate baskets, mowed course,benches, trash cans, etc.?

I think what Martin is suggesting is that it takes a big up front cash investment to bring the big Pro's in vs just offering free beer and weed to get a big Am turnout.:)

Given enough free beer the average Am eventually won't care what he is tee'ing off of or what he's aiming at.:D

Martin, I think you are off a little on the concept. Both events have a place. And Pauls is right, its a two headed monster. You can't have one without the other. New players become Ams, Ams become pros. No different than any other sport.

I tend to think the PDGA needs to become just what their name says. Move the ams to a new org, where they can be true Ams. Use the PDGA to market the pros like they should be. Make it a true Professional Org. I'm not saying do away with the Ams, just give them their own organization, sanctioning and division.
I agree that the PDGA needs to concentrate on the Professional Disc Golf and as with ball golf that has the USGA for the rest of the golfers the sport of Disc Golf needs to turn the attention of the USDGC toward that Armature side.

The point that every one is missing is not my favoring the AMs over the Pro players :( it is the Money requirements for the PDGA to run these events! while most clubs can arrange $500 added for "B" tiers the added cash for "A" and "NT" events gets a little out of hand at this time. When Professional Disc Golfers attain the marketability that encourages outside dollars to feed events then and only then will Disc Golf become like Ball Golf has become.

I love Pro disc golfers and wish I could be one or play like one :D this is not a Pros VS Joes deal this is all about the money, how to get it, how to spend it when to spend it

Devn off to a tough start at the Vibram Open 2nd Round.
3 over thru 5 holes...
but gets back to even thru hole #9
Currently tied for 7th thru 10 holes according to live scoring.
Way to bounce back Devan :)

� tonight � sign-ups begin 6:45pm � looking to tee at 7:30pm � at RIVERSIDE �
�Monday Nite Flights� �

is the riverside ace pot going to be in effect tonight?

is the riverside ace pot going to be in effect tonight?
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... nope ... just some Fun ... some pride ... some good practice ... some cash ... some O.O. mullies ... another Poker Chip ... etc. ...

... The Great Birdie Hunt is tonight at Chandler ... this format makes you a much better putter , and a lotta Fun besides ...

� and 2-morrow night is �Late Night with David Nicholson� at McClure � tee-off approx 8:15pm � attend and support Nic�s hard-work and efforts for the Oklahoma Open (right around the corner) �

� tonight at Riverside � �Friday Nite Flights� � sign-em-ups from 6:30pm � free CTP and �draw� partners at 7:15pm � earn another Poker Chip with your participation (some cherry Drawings at the Oklahoma Open) �
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� come on out and support the great Oklahoma Open event (next month) � ! �

You know buddy. Back in the day of "Green stamps", occasionally businesses would offer "Double Green stamps".

Any chances or possiblilty of a "Double Poker Chip" night in the future?:)

I think if I get Lil' Moose out there she should be worth at least a chip and a half.:D

... true that ... but ya gotta keep it fair-n-square for all ...

Ok then how about double mullies for all women players and you can promote it as "Ladies" night.:)

Lord knows if you could bring in a bunch of ladies some of these lonely DG'ers like Dorries wouldn't have to run off to an out of state motel with Wise just to find companionship.;)

... if it's the "Li'l Moose" showing-up (the real-live Marie herself) , I'll buy her Mullies ...

Hey kyle who won in Open today at McClure and what score ???
You ??? :)
D.P.

... tonight ... at good ol' Riverside ... it's "Monday Nite Flights" ... sign-em-ups start 6:30pm ... start at 7:00pm with free CTP and draw at ...
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... getchya some mullies ... getchya some Fun ... getchya a Poker-Chip ... support the O.O. SuperTour Event ...

I hope a bunch of players go support Wayne's Riverside event tonight.

I will not be there as I am attending my second City Council meeting in Claremore.

Kylie Butler has sponsorships for a nine hole course in Claremore, hopefully at the Lake.

Joe passed this one on to me and if approved it will be a very nice addition to the area. The Council is a little old school and they are concerned with safety issues.

The way the course is designed there shouldn't be any issues so I am hoping to have good news to post tomorrow.

This course could be in the ground very quickly after approval...

... good work , Michael ! ...

FYI: The intial design for Collinsville was completed last week.

... good work , Wise ! ...

so much golf, so little time.

per capita we have to have the most golf in the country.

Not sure if I mentioned it, but Pryor is ready for a course too. I talked to the lady at the park department and they are very excited...

The Oklahoma course count is about to take a big jump!!!

Good job Wise. Is the Collinsville course at a park??

I was approached by the atheletic center coordinator at my alma mater, Oral Roberts University, to help set up a course on campus. It will be 18 holes, beginner friendly, open to the public, and hopefully be in the ground this fall. More details to follow.


And people say disc golf isn't picking up steam?? Television in under 5 years. Callin it.

Wondered when that area south of the main drive would get someone's attention. Good Job Paul too bad Tulsa University is eating up all the land around there campus and has no room for baskets.

Wondered when that area south of the main drive would get someone's attention. Good Job Paul too bad Tulsa University is eating up all the land around there campus and has no room for baskets.

who needs baskets? go play drunken midnight target-golf.

who needs baskets? go play drunken midnight target-golf.
Come on slim this is ORU we are talking about... not on campus for that :cool:

Pre Drive
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Missed putt
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Come on slim this is ORU we are talking about... not on campus for that :cool:

i was quoting the message about TU, not ORU. at TU, that kind of behavior is not only tolerated, its encouraged. :)

i fully agree with the pictoral reference to ORU disc golf. :D

i was quoting the message about TU, not ORU.

The sooner you realize he doesn't really comprehend 10% of the things you post, the sooner you will start saving time by not responding. Just remember ... OSU alum'

The sooner you realize he doesn't really comprehend 10% of the things you post, the sooner you will start saving time by not responding. Just remember ... OSU alum'

You are right Slim I knew a girl in the Kappa Alpha Theta house and rum was the drink of choice. :D

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anyone know a way I can get a hold of Mitch Mac? phone number? email? does he own a computer? hah.

any help would be appreciated, you can PM me or just post here, or call me if you got the digits

handled

Im going to be at Blackhawk today around 1:30 if anyone wants to throw down for a 10 dollar round or just for fun. 798-6021

Also some more match play at McClure at 2;30

... tomorrow night : Riverside catches a "Flights Doubles" ...
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... this Friday night : Big Nic hosts the Moonlight Mini at McClure ...

… there is a “Disc Flights Mini” on the schedule for tomorrow morning , 10:00am , Haikey Creek …

… tomorrow-evening : show up for one of the BEST Nicholson Moonlight Minis EVER … have you seen the weather forecast ? … ab-so-lutely a stunning weather outlook … at McClure … across the street from hole-18 tee … he shows sign-ups till 7:30pm , with an approx. tee of 7:45pm … groove your Oklahoma Open shots …

Blackhawk 2:30pm.
D.P. :D

Meeting Harry Jr and Gary at Black around 5 if anyone is down.

... keep up with THOSE two , M.C ... you'll be doin' well , ay ? ... they got some BOMB length and speed on drives ... BUT ... you've got 'savvy' ... I like your chances ...

hahaha yeah we will see how savvy i am with these guys. tuff to beat these whipper snappers.

Not at Black it isn't

Meeting Harry Jr and Gary at Black around 5 if anyone is down.

Me and the Weez will be there around 4:30pm. Call me when you get there.

true dat....come out wise, should tee off about 5.

Blackhawk 2:30pm.
D.P. :D
56 with several marginal holes...
Great weather, course is in pretty decent shape.
Come on out Saturday should be a great time.
D.P. :D

... 2 nite at McClure ... simply perfect outside ...

I am going to Lawton for worke tomorrow. Should be done by noon. Boss is paying for me to stay over so I don't have to drive back down thursday. I see there are 4 courses within driving distance. Lawton, Duncan and 2 in Witchita Falls. Can anyone recomend which course I should play based on FUN! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bryan.

I am going to Lawton for worke tomorrow. Should be done by noon. Boss is paying for me to stay over so I don't have to drive back down thursday. I see there are 4 courses within driving distance. Lawton, Duncan and 2 in Witchita Falls. Can anyone recomend which course I should play based on FUN! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bryan.

The course in lawton just has a bunch of baskets clustered together in a small park. I played it about 3 years ago and shot -15 with 2 spit outs. You can play it in about 30 min. I think the longest hole was like 300'. It is nice to walk away from a course with a birdie on almost every hole. :)

The Duncan lake course may be unplayable this time of year.

Actually they held a doubles tourney at Duncan Lake last weekend so the course should be in great shape.

Hinds, play Duncan. NO QUESTION! Perhaps the best course in the state...as well as the Pawhuska courses. Also, I thought I remember Lowry talking about laying out a new course in Lawton. Maybe you could contact him.

Thanks for all the info and help guys, As I was leaving yesterday from work we got a call @ 5 canceling my work order. I was bummed but at least I don't have to drive all the way down there. Maybe next time...

... here's some cut-n-paste from our November schedule :

Fri. Nov. 5 �Friday Nite Flights� at CHANDLER PARK
Special Edition benefiting the Tulsa County Event !
� $3 entry � free CTP � sign-ups start 6:30pm � tee 7:30pm

Sat. Nov. 6 Tulsa County Parks United Way Team Event
4-person Teams � Scramble-Format � at Chandler Park
Sign-Ups begin 9:00am � approx. tee 10:00am


( Daylight Saving Time Changes Saturday Night )


Sunday , Nov. 7 T.D.S.A. Club Picnic at Chandler Park
... more details on Flyer � Disc-Golf , Food , and Elections �
Morning Singles on Bear�s Lair (tee at 9:30am)
Lunch , Club Business Meeting , Elections
Afternoon Draw-Doubles on Moose Run (approx 2pm)


Tues. Nov. 9 �Tuesday Nite Flights� at Riverside Park
� Free CTP � sign-ups at 6:30pm � tee at 7:00pm �


Fri. Nov. 12 �Disc Flights� Mini at Haikey Creek 10am


Sat. Nov. 13 Special Edition �Work �n� Play Day� 9:am
The LODGE � adding �new chains� to the Baskets �
Volunteer-and-Help Disc = the all-new Innova DD2
� also: �One O�Clock Flights� � Island Course �


Sun. Nov. 14 Haikey Creek Format TBA 2:00pm

I was just wondering if anyone has a good used basket for sale>?

... come out to "Tuesday Nite Flights" and ask those Players ... they're sure to have good leads ...

... or ... come out to this Day :

" Sat. Nov. 13 Special Edition �Work �n� Play Day� 9:am
The LODGE � adding �new chains� to the Baskets �
Volunteer-and-Help Disc = the all-new Innova DD2
� also: �One O�Clock Flights� � Island Course � "

If so post here or holler at me Zac Ketcher at 9182139244.

Right On, I might do that Wayne.

� Lodge Work �n� Play Day � show up from 8:30am and 10:00am and join-to-help � those players will receive an all-new Innova Driver , the DD2 � bring your gloves ; maybe a couple wrenches and screwdrivers ; your smile � we�ll get right after removing those old-chains from the Island Course � when that�s completed , we�ll �assist� Jim in Operation Pond-Drain �
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� �One O�Clock Flights� on The Island Course � new-Disc � new-Chains � Enjoy �

Would love to help but will not be able to attend. Julie had minor procedure that didn't turn out as anticipated. She will have to stay in the hospital for a while and all my time is committed to the family right now.

... sorry to hear that Julie has any health issue ... take care of 'em Wise ... and tell her that your friends say : GET WELL SOON ! ...

Sorry I will also miss on the fun. I have to repair My Tee Pee it has to be re-skinned before it gets to cold. :(

Wish I could be there .

... possible other 'gear' if you have ... or know someone who does ... here's a note from Big-Chief Jim :

"my plan is to tote a bunch of fish from the pond we cut to the lake with the Island hole. If anybody has an aerator to keep the fish alive and some large tubs, that would be great if they could bring them."

... so : big-tubs or coolers 'n' such could prove useful also ... pitch-in and help ...

Does anyone know what the format is today at Haikey? Also, I'll have a hundred or so discs out there for sale.. I've exhausted my unemployment and don't graduate from TWS until next month.. gotta make some money somehow.. Fair prices on discs but if anyone wants to hit me with an amount for the whole sha-bang, just let me know and we can probably work something out! Thanks a lot, peace!

Does anyone know what the format is today at Haikey? Also, I'll have a hundred or so discs out there for sale.. I've exhausted my unemployment and don't graduate from TWS until next month.. gotta make some money somehow.. Fair prices on discs but if anyone wants to hit me with an amount for the whole sha-bang, just let me know and we can probably work something out! Thanks a lot, peace!

here's some info...

today will be a pro/am draw doubles. $7 entry. ca$h payout to everyone.

mulligans for sale for $1 each (max 3).

this will be a 20-hole format. Patton and I are bringing our mini baskets out and will be adding two "mini" holes. They will be approximately 200 feet in length. PLASTIC MINIS ONLY, NO METAL, WOOD, OR GLASS MINIS ALLOWED FOR THROWING.

***anyone buying a disc from Seth gets TWO free mulligans!***

(yes, that means you can have up to 5 mullies)

see you on the course.

Seth, how the he11 did you exhaust your unemployment under the Obama plan. I thought it was unlimited:cool:

Would love to help but will not be able to attend. Julie had minor procedure that didn't turn out as anticipated. She will have to stay in the hospital for a while and all my time is committed to the family right now.

We should be headed home from the hospital this evening. She is doing much better.

We should be headed home from the hospital this evening. She is doing much better.

glad all is well on the home front buddy. are you going to arkansas?

No trips for a while. She has some recovery time to go. It will be a few weeks before I'm out again. I will run the Skins event on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

... and now , Julie is on the rebound (I trust) ? ... good wishes for her and Belty both ...

Thank you to all that kept us in your thoughts and prayers.

This from Julie herself this monring..................................

To all my disc friends - God has blessed me with such a fantastic group of caring people I want you all to know how grateful I have been for all the prayers and concern shown to Dave and I during this difficult time. Love to u all!

Glad to hear Julie is doing well, Dave.

Devan and I are playing/caddying, The Preserve Disc Golf Course Gold Layout in Ocala Florida 8:45 for the Players Cup...

How about updates on Devan's status...
wins, loses, playing for what spot etc...
D.P.

won his first match, lost his second. Killing it on his 3rd match in the losers bracket

he lost his second match to a 995 local, Beckett Carduff

Yeah the guy yesterday was playing 1030 golf and could drive a mile and he was a local that has played pro 30 years...

Devan won his match this morning and is now playing Andrew Rich...

Well after 17 holes Devan lost to Andrew. He plays Mike Gears in the morning.

Devan played well but just like his first loss, let the guy stay in it and it bit him both times, but he is really committed to being better.

We have some good karma coming to us hopefully because when we got back to the motel we gave a couple 10 year old kids that live here some beginner friendly discs and some basic lessons... they are still out there playing!

The final four set up so it could be a U.S.D.G.C. revenge match!!!

Go Nikko...

Great job Crowl!!!!

About to get some food...more updates too come...

Well Devan won his final match he went 3-2 in his matches...Same as Klimo

Match play is a very fun/challenging format, look forward to this format coming too Oklahoma.

We are packing the room up then heading up to watch the finals.

Nikko vs. Bradley Williams... OKLAHOMA OPEN GRUDGE MATCH!!!

Also it's a Gateway final

GO NIKKO!!!

We are caravaning back most of the way with Nikko and Carmen so we will see you sometime Monday Oklahoma...I hope the weather is as nice as it has been here all week!

Oh yeah I almost forgot...MOVE UP SLIM!!!!

Okay Golfers better late than never.

Its time for the first event of the 6th Annual Holiday Skins!

This Friday at Blackhawk. Signups begin at 12:30 and we will tee at 1:30.

I will throw in some CTPS, and of course have some nice cold beer for everyone.


We will have 4 divisions availble for you to play.
$20 Hot Dog
$40 Hamburger
$60 Steak
$100 Crown division

Payout is always 100%!!!!!! +

The weather is expected to be a bit on the colder side, with highs in the mid 40's.
For those tha think thats a little cold, I will have something to warm you up.
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So get your butts out to Blackhawk and lets have some fun.


For some of the new golfers around town a little history lesson:
Skins started at McClure about 7 years ago. We had over 12 players show up for a $1 per hole and played as one group. We had a blast. Then had the idea, how cool would it be to play for $5 per hole per player. SO the next year it happened and we had 8 or 9 players that kicked in $90 each to play. Nothing like a casual round where a guy can win $400 on one hole! Now, for the last 3 years no one has stepped up to play that division, even though it is offered. Anyone game this year?

Since then, it has grown into the Holiday skins vs. New years Day Skins and we play the day after Thanksgiving, day after Christmas and New years day.

This year I need someone to fill in for me for the Christmas day and New Years day events.
It is very sad that I will not be able to run those two events or play in them. Very sad indeed.
I am forced to be elsewhere during that time this year.


So keep a kind thought for me during that time while I suffer in a location with NO Golf!

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� nice little stretch of Disc Golf ahead � something for all enthusiasts �
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� ( tonight ) : �Wednesday Nite Flights� at Riverside Park � sign-ups from 6:15pm � start-em-up approx. 7:00pm �
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� this Friday , Nov.26 : �Holiday Skins� at BlackHawk � sign-ups begin 12:30 (be as early as you can) � Wise will organize and set-up everyone for a Tee-Time of 1:30pm � everyone should jump-in � multiple-levels of entry � looks like Lots of Extras ...
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� this Saturday , Nov. 27 : 2 Minis at Haikey Creek � 10:00am � and � 2:00pm � also lend Slim a hand relocating a Tee-Sign and a Basket (shouldn�t take too long with several of us) �
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� this Sunday , Nov. 28 : �High Noon Flights� at BlackHawk � draw-doubles and BlackHawk ; perfect fit � sign-ups from 11:20am �

I might show up tonight if you promise to wear your Turkey outfit and gobble, gobble.

Okay Golfers better late than never.

Its time for the first event of the 6th Annual Holiday Skins!

This Friday at Blackhawk. Signups begin at 12:30 and we will tee at 1:30.

I will throw in some CTPS, and of course have some nice cold beer for everyone.


We will have 4 divisions availble for you to play.
$20 Hot Dog
$40 Hamburger
$60 Steak
$100 Crown division

Payout is always 100%!!!!!! +

The weather is expected to be a bit on the colder side, with highs in the mid 40's.
For those tha think thats a little cold, I will have something to warm you up.
http://www.1888buywine.net/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/crown-royal-black.jpg


So get your butts out to Blackhawk and lets have some fun.


For some of the new golfers around town a little history lesson:
Skins started at McClure about 7 years ago. We had over 12 players show up for a $1 per hole and played as one group. We had a blast. Then had the idea, how cool would it be to play for $5 per hole per player. SO the next year it happened and we had 8 or 9 players that kicked in $90 each to play. Nothing like a casual round where a guy can win $400 on one hole! Now, for the last 3 years no one has stepped up to play that division, even though it is offered. Anyone game this year?

Since then, it has grown into the Holiday skins vs. New years Day Skins and we play the day after Thanksgiving, day after Christmas and New years day.

This year I need someone to fill in for me for the Christmas day and New Years day events.
It is very sad that I will not be able to run those two events or play in them. Very sad indeed.
I am forced to be elsewhere during that time this year.


So keep a kind thought for me during that time while I suffer in a location with NO Golf!

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BTW....For those that have never attended one of these deals they are definitely a "must attend". Even a "DG Hack" like me has won money at this deal so if I can do it then anybody can.

And Wise always goes out of his way to provide more fun for everyone.:)

Sorry you're not going to be around for the holiday's Dave. I remember the time I had to do two weeks community service at a nude beach as well. It's definitely hard labor.;)

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... SHOW UP , FurDog ... I "promise" I'll be there ...

Better leave the "Fur" coat at home Dog, it's down right hot out there.

Can we bottle some of this for Friday??

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... SHOW UP , FurDog ... I "promise" I'll be there ...

Nope. Just remembered Survivor is on at 7pm and I don't have a bag of discs anymore.

I would have to panhandle to borrow a disc from everyone and nobody is going to loan me a disc with the river so close by.:rolleyes:

So keep a kind thought for me during that time while I suffer in a location with NO Golf!

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Really....you would give up skinns matches for this!

It's time for skins! Come on out it's a nice sunny day just dress warm. I will be there at 12:30 to start sign ups. Temps will be much better than yesterday 51 sunny very light winds perfect for black

Who will win the most money today?

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...It's time for skins! ...

... it's a nice sunny day ... Temps will be much better ... 51 ... sunny ... very light winds ... perfect ...
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... Who will win the most money today? ...
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... it will be one of those Lucky Players who's NOT - STUCK - AT - WORK ! ! ! ... enjoy it all , fellers ...

... temperature today at tee-time = 55 degrees ... ! ... dadgummit ...

... on a side-note ... 'Bama , 24 ... Auburn , 0 ...

The USDGC for 2011 will return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is mention of the Piney Woods this weekend being a qualifier for the 2011 USDGC for October 5-8 2011 on the UDGC face book page.

Well after all the brew ha ha that went on about it being an every other year event it is back!

I just got an email confirming this. It will be a much different format for qualifying.

So based on this, if ANY of you were even thinkg about the Piney Woods Open, then get your BUTT down there. There will be 10 spots up for grabs and ALL Adv Ams and ALL pros will have a chance to qualify.

that course kicked my butt last year. I think I will not be returning for a bit, lol.

Oklahoma's own Joe Rotan caught some last place cash this weekend at the Fly Ink Open in San Antonio, in the OPEN division none the less..

Good job Joe...

And congrats go to Paul Dorries for his 1st place at the Bob Robertson memorial

I found some real nice plastic on Sunday...........................

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what, you stealing from hutch now?:D

10,052 posts, wow, thats got to be a record!!

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I found some real nice plastic on Sunday...........................

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I know I had 2 in there...
Wraith and an Orc if I am not mistaken :P

I found 10 discs, none of which were mine or yours Dale.

But I did find several of players I know. They will all be returned.

I'll go through there again in about a week.

I have a bunch of discs in black hawk. I think I am going to start buying used discs just to play with when I go to that course. I think I drop about $10 a round.
I also found Chris Hatton's orange Destroyer but called the number and the person that answered said he has moved to Washington State and didn't have a phone number for him.

I have a bunch of discs in black hawk. I think I am going to start buying used discs just to play with when I go to that course. I think I drop about $10 a round.
I also found Chris Hatton's orange Destroyer but called the number and the person that answered said he has moved to Washington State and didn't have a phone number for him.

Yeah I saw Him posting on facebook about being in Washinton State.
Try sending him a FB message he's on there all the time. :D
D.P.

Hey Cris,
Why not use Dragons, Hydras, and lightning disc on the Mohawk water holes? At lest you get them back when they float to the side of the pond.

I have a bunch of discs in black hawk. I think I am going to start buying used discs just to play with when I go to that course. I think I drop about $10 a round.
I also found Chris Hatton's orange Destroyer but called the number and the person that answered said he has moved to Washington State and didn't have a phone number for him.


nevermind, I had one of his discs that Bougher gave me, an orange pro destroyer. I carried it for about 3 days, then found out he had left. SOoooooooooo, that understable piece of crap is about 10 feet of the bank on hole 10.:D

Cris, don't buy used ones, just use OPD's.:cool:

nevermind, I had one of his discs that Bougher gave me, an orange pro destroyer. I carried it for about 3 days, then found out he had left. SOoooooooooo, that understable piece of crap is about 10 feet of the bank on hole 10.:D

Cris, don't buy used ones, just use OPD's.:cool:

Dave - That is the one I found on hole 10. I'll send him a message on facebook.
Matin - I have never thrown a Hydra, but the Dragon is way too understable for me to throw. I put hyzer on it and it acts like a roller.
Congrats to Paul on his win!