This was my first Worlds as a player so I don't have a whole lot to base it on for comparison, but I've staffed enough majors to have something to compare it with.

1. Very strong group of people working the event, well coordinated and pleasant to be around. I never saw a stressed out staffer all week!

2. Every round that I played in started on time although we couldn't hear the two-minute warning or start signal back on Redhawk and Blackhawk.

3. Good quantity and selection of merchandise was available at the event's Pro shop all week. Lots of cool stuff.

4. Fly-mart was over-the-top with the number of vendors there! The room could've easily been twice that size and still felt crowded! Wow!

5. Good driving directions to/from the hotel and all courses and event venues were provided to all players.

6. The caddy-book rocked! I wish I had one of those for every tournament I played in. I hope they become a main-stay at all major tournaments. It was valuable and informative.

7. The courses were all in great shape...Blackhawk was especially impressive given the amount of time it was installed in...I'm still in awe over how much work had to have gone into sculpting those fairways and getting it ready. (Only #18 needs fairway!)

8. Tulsa was one of the easiest cities to get around in I've seen in a long time. Really glad that I got a chance to see it!

9. All of the players I played with over the week were great and I was really glad to get to meet so many of you guys and to get to play with you.

10. The Tulsa crew(s) did a really good job of putting water out on the courses...I know that I consumed my fair share of your efforts - THANKS!

David, Wayne, Jose, Kevin, Steve, and all - you did very well on the running of this Am Worlds. I was really glad that I got an opportunity to experience it as a player and because of the fantastic job you guys did, I'm looking forward to playing in another Worlds...too bad I'll have to wait for another year!

It's ok Melissa, I'm sure you hit the putt from the bottom of the hill. I got faith in your game. Afterall, you did carry MC in mixed doubles. I've seen him play. He's garbage.




This from somebody who hides behind a monitor. Truely a classless statement. Stay in NC or where ever you are from the midwest does not need you.

we all know a 17" monitor cant contain the tivvle

: ) :

Can someone post some more pictures from the event. The home website has a few but no names and just a small number of holes shown. I'd love to see some from the semis and finals with some whos who.

Here are a few that I took.

Paul right before he cans the 70 footer on the final hole for duece.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1344.jpg

Brent misses a 30 foot for par and the Championship.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1347.jpg

First hole of sudden death, Brent for the win...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1357.jpg


Oh, the agony
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1358.jpg

Two holes later the winning putt
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1367.jpg


The crowd goes wild
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1368.jpg

Thanks Jake, those are great. I'd love to see some more from the finals with my buddy Jeb.

Mr. 49 at blackhawk....WOW
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/deathbypar/100_1309.jpg

Thanks for sharing ;).

So how come nobody has talked about the free bag all the Ams got? That is the best players pack in the history of any tourney! You guys Fing Rock!!!!!

what kind of bag?

Custom color Mini Revolution bag. Green/Blue, from what I saw.

what kind of bag?



The Small revolution. I used one when we went out and played a round at Redhawk.

That totally rocks. Revolution bag I think are top of the line. Very nice players pack. What else was in the package?

I know 2004 worlds we had a sweet package also. The PDGA and TD's at Worlds always take care of the players that is for sure.

Laters..

I heard the players packs were freaking killer!!!!!!discs,shirts towels, rev bag, all kinds of stuff!!

The player's pack was indeed SWEET! On top of the Revolution bag, it also included a dry-fit polo shirt embroidered with the 2006 AmWorlds logo, a couple full-color minis, 3 or 4 champion/star quality discs, a casino voucher and other odds and ends.

Way to go Joe Rotan! :cool:

I had a blast at World's, even if I didn't play my middle rounds well. I thought the courses were designed well...really tested skills (well except 18 in the woods at Mohawk). Player's pack was great. Volunteers from top to bottom were unbelievable. Milwaukee will have a tough act to follow. I took a few pictures as well....posted at http://lubbockdiscgolf.com/ (photo gallery, etc).

The player's pack was indeed SWEET! On top of the Revolution bag, it also included a dry-fit polo shirt embroidered with the 2006 AmWorlds logo, a couple full-color minis, 3 or 4 champion/star quality discs, a casino voucher and other odds and ends.

Way to go Joe Rotan! :cool:



Not to shabby.

It's the one OB case where playing from your original lie can be an advantage.

how is it scored if you take the original lie.
thanks

Yes I thought Nicole did a great job. It is not shameful to be beaten by a member of the Fraser family. What an awsome job they did, and such nice people, it was a pleasure watching the professionalism of them all./



There is no shame at all in losing to Rebecca. She is a tremendous player and an even better person. My wife, Nicole, and I had lunch one day with Rebecca and her sister Michelle. My wife was very impressed by how nice and well mannered the girls were. Nicole really liked Rebecca and Michelle. She is looking forward to competing with Rebecca in the future.

Nicole had a great time at Worlds. She was proud of her second place finish. She enjoyed wining the junior girl's putting championship. She also enjoyed wining the junior girl's skill shot contest and reaching the 2nd highest skill shot level (falcon). She just had a great time overall. She definitely wants to attend next year's worlds.

Also I want to thank those who gave advice on how Nicole can better prepare for the 2nd round of tournaments (when playing 2 rounds in one day).

Thanks..........Rick

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

I want to personnally thank Keldog for mine. Those discs are to sweet to throw and yet feel to nice to let sit on the wall.


Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

You have actually thrown it??? lol want to sell it? lol

You have actually thrown it??? lol want to sell it? lol



No I have not thrown it, but it feels so good.

I heard the players packs were freaking killer!!!!!!discs,shirts towels, rev bag, all kinds of stuff!!



If anyone wants to trade their revolution bag let me know. I want another one.

What do you have to trade?

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

:cool:

This is a great bag, but I already have a brand new Innova tour bag. 1 revolution bag from Am Worlds players pack in mint condition up for auction. Anybody want to make an offer before it goes on Ebay?

Does ANYONE know why the ace pot was paid in plastic rather than cash? I heard it was a call made by the PDGA (Brian Hoeniger) that ams could not receive cash. This makes no sense for a couple of reasons: 1.=Ace pots are paid out in cash to ams at am touneys EVERY weekend in PDGA events. 2.= What if this was a player's last Am event? Shouldn't it be the players option whether or not to accept the cash? I e-mailed the pdga office and Brian Hoeniger 1 week ago, but have not received a reply.

how much

I know that Steve DuFrane walked away without cashing his "script" in for his ace, as there wasn't ANYTHING left to pick from. Was it paid out this way since it wasn't an optional ace pot?

Steve graciously donated his $200 voucher to Daryl Johnson. The plastic will be used for payout in Okie Doubles Sep. 2nd & 3rd.

That's great, Steve is a stand up guy and big thanks go out to him! Glad to hear that merch didn't go unclaimed!

Does ANYONE know why the ace pot was paid in plastic rather than cash? I heard it was a call made by the PDGA (Brian Hoeniger) that ams could not receive cash. This makes no sense for a couple of reasons: 1.=Ace pots are paid out in cash to ams at am touneys EVERY weekend in PDGA events. 2.= What if this was a player's last Am event? Shouldn't it be the players option whether or not to accept the cash? I e-mailed the pdga office and Brian Hoeniger 1 week ago, but have not received a reply.



I wouldn't expect an answer as they are at Pro Worlds this week.

What do you have to trade?



As bad as you talked about that rev mini bag as being a butt ugly junk bag, that you wouldn't be caught dead with, I would think you'd give it away. :o

I think it was kind of chitty that the ace pot was paid out in plastic. Somebody's pocket was filled.

What do you have to trade?



As bad as you talked about that rev mini bag as being a butt ugly junk bag, that you wouldn't be caught dead with, I would think you'd give it away. :o

The only thing I said negative about the bag was that it was ugly and if i can get some disc for it it's gone.

what was the ace pot FEE??

for sure ACE POT SHOLD ALWAYS BE PAID IN $$$$$$ can't wait to hear the PDGA reason for this and would also like to know if this is a change for all PDGA events and why were the players not TOLD!!!

yeah thats wierd the CASH ACE POT was paid out in plastic.

if it was gonna be that way, the players could have simply brought a disc for the acepot, winner take all. paying plastic SEEMS 9but might not be) another way to increase the profits from the Ams, since the plastic surely involved good markeup.

$5 from every entry. 554 X $5=$2,770 minus juniors. btw...since it was seperate....did any juniors get an ace?

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

no doubt they are pretty... but what the heck do any of the images in the pic have to do with Oklahoma disc golf???

$5 from every entry. 554 X $5=$2,770 minus juniors. btw...since it was seperate....did any juniors get an ace?



Wow, what a crock. I wonder who's wallet got fatter? The TDSA or the PDGA?

What do you have to trade?



As bad as you talked about that rev mini bag as being a butt ugly junk bag, that you wouldn't be caught dead with, I would think you'd give it away. :o

The only thing I said negative about the bag was that it was ugly and if i can get some disc for it it's gone.



I don't think you remeber your statements as I do. I was more than dissapointed to hear you gripe about the bags and how **** ugly they were and the first thing you were going to do was get rid of it, all this while your standing in line receiveing your players pack that we worked our butts of putting together. I would bet you'd be the type to fart in church too.

Didn't your mother ever tell, if you have nothing nice to say, then SHUT your mouth. :mad:

Next we'll hear that the basket you bagged for is a piece of crap.

$5 from every entry. 554 X $5=$2,770 minus juniors. btw...since it was seperate....did any juniors get an ace?



Wow, what a crock. I wonder who's wallet got fatter? The TDSA or the PDGA?




If you guys want to #$*&$! about an ace pot you didn't hit, then talk to the PDGA, it was their decision, not the club's.

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

no doubt they are pretty... but what the heck do any of the images in the pic have to do with Oklahoma disc golf???



They don't have anything to do with Ok disc golf, other than we hosted the Worlds and Tex didn't.
These were purchased by a local supporter at $35 each, then donated to be given to the winners.
13 x 35 = $455 , out of the blue, just given to the winners.
Mighty nice I'd say. ;)

those are freak'n sweet

Wow nobody got a Ace? Sure they did do a CTP or something like that?

I'm sure they had to of said something during the course of the week what they would do with the Ace Pool Cash.

Regardless if the PDGA did in fact keep it they DESERVE IT!! They work they do and did for this Worlds goes way under paid!!

Maybe it went to the local club.

Get all the facts first ok. Would like to know what happened.

Josh

I got the big one (one of only 50 made) and the mini. :cool:

If I'd had know then, when they first came out, what I know now, I would have bought a bunch more. ;)

KDog rules!!!!

Wow nobody got a Ace? Sure they did do a CTP or something like that?


Get all the facts first ok.

irony so sweet you can taste it

$5 from every entry. 554 X $5=$2,770 minus juniors. btw...since it was seperate....did any juniors get an ace?



Wow, what a crock. I wonder who's wallet got fatter? The TDSA or the PDGA?




If you guys want to #$*&$! about an ace pot you didn't hit, then talk to the PDGA, it was their decision, not the club's.



:confused:

It is a legitimate question you know...worlds is different since the ace pot fee was included in your entry.

-BUT-

If the PDGA is going to exclude "green backs" to the AMS when they hit an ace pot I would like to know about it. It might make you think twice about paying for an ace pot.

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

no doubt they are pretty... but what the heck do any of the images in the pic have to do with Oklahoma disc golf???



They don't have anything to do with Ok disc golf, other than we hosted the Worlds and Tex didn't.
These were purchased by a local supporter at $35 each, then donated to be given to the winners.
13 x 35 = $455 , out of the blue, just given to the winners.
Mighty nice I'd say. ;)

and since OK has NUTTIN going for it, you had to steal TX's involvement in NASA! just like an Okie :)

seriously, tho, they are pretty.

sounds like the PDGA sneaked another one by the AMS!!














SUCKERS!!!
















and just think PDGA renewals are GOING UP

:D:p

Let it also be known that due to some very generous people 75% of the winners at the AM Worlds 2006 Tournament took home one of these beauties. FREE of charge!!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/2005/amworlds.jpg

no doubt they are pretty... but what the heck do any of the images in the pic have to do with Oklahoma disc golf???



They don't have anything to do with Ok disc golf, other than we hosted the Worlds and Tex didn't.
These were purchased by a local supporter at $35 each, then donated to be given to the winners.
13 x 35 = $455 , out of the blue, just given to the winners.
Mighty nice I'd say. ;)



THAT's impressive...glad I bought one early (#18 of 50) :D

I wonder if OPEN aces will be payed in PLASTIC!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

and just think PDGA renewals are GOING UP

:D:p

and what about NON-renewals :D

have they ever paid out $$$$ for aces in Am Worlds? in KC in 2003 they had a throw off for everyone that aced, multiple aces got multiple throws. CTP throw off winner won a brand new <font color="red">RED</font> mach IV. i don't think anyone else won anything (not positive though). i didnt complain though... basket still looks good 3 years later :D


TThanks lil' DEAN.

They paid out cash at 2004 Am Worlds.

This years Bowling Green paid out cash also.

This years Bowling Green paid out cash also.



Bowling Green is not Am Worlds (although it is almost as big)

I don't remember (cash or plastic) at the 90, 91, 92 or 98 Am worlds because I didn't get any aces.

However, I do remember the Fly Right tournament giving Am aces in Plastic to keep there Am Status correct. But then the PDGA came out and said that Ace Pots do not count against Am status.

The ace pool is $1000 this Saturday. :cool:

The ace pool is $1000 this Saturday. :cool:



Is that all? :D

Try $30,000 at this one... http://www.downunderdiscgolf.com/microtel.htm

Now that's a lot of plastic :D

I would love to be the TD paying out $30k in plastic :D

Does ANYONE know why the ace pot was paid in plastic rather than cash? I heard it was a call made by the PDGA (Brian Hoeniger) that ams could not receive cash. This makes no sense for a couple of reasons: 1.=Ace pots are paid out in cash to ams at am touneys EVERY weekend in PDGA events. 2.= What if this was a player's last Am event? Shouldn't it be the players option whether or not to accept the cash? I e-mailed the pdga office and Brian Hoeniger 1 week ago, but have not received a reply.



It actually does make sense because it was included in the entry and not optional. So therefore excepting cash would be a no no because the ace pot wasn't a side game.

$5 from every entry. 554 X $5=$2,770 minus juniors. btw...since it was seperate....did any juniors get an ace?



Wow, what a crock. I wonder who's wallet got fatter? The TDSA or the PDGA?




If you guys want to #$*&$! about an ace pot you didn't hit, then talk to the PDGA, it was their decision, not the club's.



:confused:

It is a legitimate question you know...worlds is different since the ace pot fee was included in your entry.

-BUT-

If the PDGA is going to exclude "green backs" to the AMS when they hit an ace pot I would like to know about it. It might make you think twice about paying for an ace pot.



I didn't say is wasn't a legitimate question. Just ask it of the PDGA, the club did not make that decision. To add to that, you didn't get to decide if you wanted the ace pot, it was part of your entry.

Personally, I think it should have been cash but it was their call, their tournament. We just hosted it.

BTW I still think the plastic payout was BS but the PDGA has the option to payout in plastic because of the way you entered the pot.

PDGA = governing body of disc golf.

Maybe this is the first step to keep AMS from making any sort of cash in a sanctioned or major event. It kinda makes sense anyway.

I don't remember anything on the entry form that said you could opt out of the Ace pot or even if an ace pot was included. :confused:

That is the point!

I don't remember anything on the entry form that said you could opt out of the Ace pot or even if an ace pot was included. :confused:



You were not allowed to opt out of the ace, just as you are not allowed to opt out of the PDGA fee that is attached to your entry.

That could be the point Matt is making. It was part of your AM entry fee and not an option of choice, thus making it part of the overall payout, which can not be cash.

I don't remember anything on the entry form that said you could opt out of the Ace pot or even if an ace pot was included. :confused:



That is exactly why they have the right to payout plastic instead of cash...those rascally rabbits!

The PDGA should consider paying say the Top 25 at Am Worlds in cash anyways for payout and MAKE them move up.

The PDGA should consider paying say the Top 25 at Am Worlds in cash anyways for payout and MAKE them move up.



Yeah so the top guy gets $800 right? :confused: Also how would Am worlds gain any $$$$. That is why nobody wants to host Pro worlds. NO REVENUE

That would be awesome sort of. Image all the baggers tanking there last round or so they wouldn't be in the top 25. j/k ;)

Guess that would make you an Am for life....eh? ;)

Remeber, the PDGA is providing new 2007 pro cards, paid for by the PDGA, for the winners of the top divisions. :D

I don't remember anything on the entry form that said you could opt out of the Ace pot or even if an ace pot was included. :confused:



You were not allowed to opt out of the ace, just as you are not allowed to opt out of the PDGA fee that is attached to your entry.

That could be the point Matt is making. It was part of your AM entry fee and not an option of choice, thus making it part of the overall payout, which can not be cash.



What fees :confused: There are NO fees paid to the PDGA for World events. Check the 2006 Tour Info Documents (http://www.pdga.com/documents/td/2006tourinfo.php). The Tour event payment document doesn't even have a column for world events.

Are you sure about that David?

Thanks for pointing that out. It makes sense now. The ace pot was not paid for seperately, so you can't pay out an amateur entry in cash.

Positive. Then entry was $100 + $5 for Ace pot + $5 PDGA fee = total of $110.

I know thats what I paid, how about some others?


Don't bank on the PDGA documents as law. Just look at the re-classification process vs. how it is written. :o

The PDGA should consider paying say the Top 25 at Am Worlds in cash anyways for payout and MAKE them move up.


BRILLIANT!! :eek: :cool:

What do you have to trade?



As bad as you talked about that rev mini bag as being a butt ugly junk bag, that you wouldn't be caught dead with, I would think you'd give it away. :o

The only thing I said negative about the bag was that it was ugly and if i can get some disc for it it's gone.



I don't think you remeber your statements as I do. I was more than dissapointed to hear you gripe about the bags and how **** ugly they were and the first thing you were going to do was get rid of it, all this while your standing in line receiveing your players pack that we worked our butts of putting together. I would bet you'd be the type to fart in church too.

Didn't your mother ever tell, if you have nothing nice to say, then SHUT your mouth. :mad:

Next we'll hear that the basket you bagged for is a piece of crap.

^$&amp;^&amp; I know what I said so don't try to say that I was talking alot of crap because the ONLY thing I said negative about the bag was that the color's were ugly so quit talking %^&amp;$ as* hol%. :mad:

How did I bag? I only won by 2 stroke's ^&amp;#^$

Hey are the Semis going to be rated or no just wondering I heard from some people they are and some say they weren't so I didn't know.

Hey are the Semis going to be rated or no just wondering I heard from some people they are and some say they weren't so I didn't know.



Its been asked before and the answer is still YES!

Whether is was optional or not, it should have been made known that the "ace pot MONEY" was going to be paid out in plastic instead of money before the tourney ever started. That would have saved a whole lot of yelling and screaming on this board. I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it. What a way to end a great week, but it would have been well worth it. Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book. I KNOW the cost of these discs and the mark up that was the 'retail' price, so a person who hit an ace was actually getting about 40-45% of the actual value of the voucher. That alone is the biggest crock of the whole week. Ace pot money is to be paid out in full whether it was optional or not. It is not part of the entry fee, and the PDGA has said so in the past.

With that said, WHERE is the rest of the money for those that did hit the aces.

ps...who were all the ace pot winners?

I know of Steve and Adam.

I still don't recall there being an ace pot.

No mention of one in the entry.

No one started a side pot that I was aware of.

Normally when there is an ace pot, someone mentions how much money is in the pot sometime during the event.

I think it was a last minute decision to do something where nothing had been planned.

where can i find info/results for the distance comp, putting comp, and etc. ?

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Don't you think hard working cats like Rotan and the folks from TDSA who worked very hard to make AM Worlds happen deserve to line their pockets a little bit?

Besides, merchandise is better than nothing. Considering I assumed there was no acepot at worlds anyway. Ungrateful [email protected]##$%

Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book.


Don't you think hard working cats like Rotan and the folks from TDSA who worked very hard to make AM Worlds happen deserve to line their pockets a little bit?

Besides, merchandise is better than nothing. Considering I assumed there was no acepot at worlds anyway. Ungrateful [email protected]##$%


Actually I don't believe that they do. The people that run pro worlds are usually lucky to break even and they do just as much work. Also who volunteers with the hopes of making $$$. BTW Iit is a lot of $$$$$$$

big difference scooter between an AM event and OPEN event BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

PUTTING RESULTS (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=571982&amp;Main=571982#Post57 1982)

DISTANCE RESULTS (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=570992&amp;Main=570992#Post57 0992)

So does that difference justify why Am worlds makes $$$ and Pro doesn't? :confused:

its in the merchandise where a Tourney will make or try to recover expenses. as for Pro worlds I guess it will depend on sponsors whether the event profits. Run a tournament sometime out of your own pocket and you will understand

its in the merchandise where a Tourney will make or try to recover expenses. as for Pro worlds I guess it will depend on sponsors whether the event profits. Run a tournament sometime out of your own pocket and you will understand



Yes I understand that and that is my point. I just don't think it is fair for some "volunteers" to make $$$ off AM worlds but the Pro worlds volunteers are just that volunteers

Whether is was optional or not, it should have been made known that the "ace pot MONEY" was going to be paid out in plastic instead of money before the tourney ever started. That would have saved a whole lot of yelling and screaming on this board. I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it. What a way to end a great week, but it would have been well worth it. Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book. I KNOW the cost of these discs and the mark up that was the 'retail' price, so a person who hit an ace was actually getting about 40-45% of the actual value of the voucher. That alone is the biggest crock of the whole week. Ace pot money is to be paid out in full whether it was optional or not. It is not part of the entry fee, and the PDGA has said so in the past.

With that said, WHERE is the rest of the money for those that did hit the aces.

ps...who were all the ace pot winners?



Very standard payout for disc prices and Joe would do nothing just to line his pockets at your expense..He doesn't need your money..he did this for all the players and not to get rich quick...check your facts and your mouth at the door and you wouldn't be upset ...if you are only going to gripe about an ace you didn't even hit...you are barking for no reason

Whether is was optional or not, it should have been made known that the "ace pot MONEY" was going to be paid out in plastic instead of money before the tourney ever started. That would have saved a whole lot of yelling and screaming on this board. I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it. What a way to end a great week, but it would have been well worth it. Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book. I KNOW the cost of these discs and the mark up that was the 'retail' price, so a person who hit an ace was actually getting about 40-45% of the actual value of the voucher. That alone is the biggest crock of the whole week. Ace pot money is to be paid out in full whether it was optional or not. It is not part of the entry fee, and the PDGA has said so in the past.

With that said, WHERE is the rest of the money for those that did hit the aces.

ps...who were all the ace pot winners?



Y'all are a bunch of whiny #$*&$! I aced at last years Am Worlds, and didn't expect a thing. I was stoked when they told me I had another $125 in vouchers...on top of my $300. Move up little boys, then you can whine about cash.

Word son.

Just spoke to Joe Rotan. He is on his way to pick me up and then we are flying off to Cabo with the girls in the private Twisted Thunder jet to unload some cash.

Joe says he will post an update (and pics) when we get back.

Adios. :D

Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book.



ALL it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book??? I fail to see the logic in this assertion. Since I was there, of course, I can say the TF gear was SELLING quite well throughout the week (as were the product lines for other companies) and on the last day most of the TF stuff in the shopping area (not in Joe's booth) was sold out. This was before the vouchers for the ace pot were distributed. In my experience, Twisted stuff sells all by itself without relying on the conspiracy you seem to be imagining...primarily because it's a great product and a popular brand, whether it be discs, shirts, hats, etc. Your assertion the ace pot payout was related to Twisted Flyer's need to generate revenue is unfounded, and is a cheap shot directed at one of the finest organizations promoting disc golf in this area.

I played in the tournament and didn't hit any aces. I thought the payout in vouchers instead of cash was BS, although I understand why it was done that way. Any complaint I have is directed at those who made that decision. The PDGA. I don't blame Innova, Discraft, Academy, MalWart, Play It Again Sports, or Bob's Country Kitchen. Your criticism is misdirected, Coach

Try not to spend too much money at "The Donkey Show". ;)....You got plenty of that going on right here on the board. :D

Until you run an event of this size, don't talk about things you know nothing about. You have no idea of the amount of up front money need to pull off this kind of tourny.

Yes, the club will make little money, as they should but it is very little, when compared to the total budget of the tourny.

As for Joe and Twisted Flyer, I'm sure he made some money from merchadise but So did Innova and Discraft and some others. Those companies that suppy merch for the tournamnet don't give it away. Thats just business. By the way, Twisted Flyer supplied less than 25% of total merch, while Innova and Discraft made up the rest. So, I ask, who made the most money?

And has anyone considered that the PDGA comes in and takes 50% of any net profits made?

If I had to do it all over again and know what I know now, the answer would be NO.

and I think they said there were 13 or 14 aces, that would be right at $200 each.

Until you run an event of this size, don't talk about things you know nothing about. You have no idea of the amount of up front money need to pull off this kind of tourny.

Yes, the club will make little money, as they should but it is very little, when compared to the total budget of the tourny.

As for Joe and Twisted Flyer, I'm sure he made some money from merchadise but So did Innova and Discraft and some others. Those companies that suppy merch for the tournamnet don't give it away. Thats just business. By the way, Twisted Flyer supplied less than 25% of total merch, while Innova and Discraft made up the rest. So, I ask, who made the most money?

And has anyone considered that the PDGA comes in and takes 50% of any net profits made?

If I had to do it all over again and know what I know now, the answer would be NO.




I cant imagine why you wouldnt want to run another one. Is it because people on this board #$*&$!, even when they wernt there playing.

Until you run an event of this size, don't talk about things you know nothing about. You have no idea of the amount of up front money need to pull off this kind of tourny.

Yes, the club will make little money, as they should but it is very little, when compared to the total budget of the tourny.

As for Joe and Twisted Flyer, I'm sure he made some money from merchadise but So did Innova and Discraft and some others. Those companies that suppy merch for the tournamnet don't give it away. Thats just business. By the way, Twisted Flyer supplied less than 25% of total merch, while Innova and Discraft made up the rest. So, I ask, who made the most money?

And has anyone considered that the PDGA comes in and takes 50% of any net profits made?

If I had to do it all over again and know what I know now, the answer would be NO.




I cant imagine why you wouldnt want to run another one. Is it because people on this board #$*&$!, even when they wernt there playing.



That would be a real shame, Dave, cause you guys did something special with this Worlds...

I didnt play, should I complain about something like everyone else?


TULSA DID A GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!

No, it has nothing to do with the complainers. They will exist no matter what. Thats just the way it is.
I would say no, knowing that I would have to deal with my wife for another 18 months, while hearing "I told you so" about three times a day. The looks I get when my phone goes off all hours of the day. Countless meetings, missed soccer tournamnets, sore back and muscles, the stress, the stress and dealing with companies and vendors that think you should be there golden egg.
And if I knew we had to still build mohawk, fix Dovillio, and re-design Haikey, it would be a big fat NO!

But wth the courses now installed, I would think that another event like this one would be esier for the next wave of admins to put to gether. Still no small task but better than putting it together and building the courses.

The up side of all of this.
Mohawk, Dovillio and McClure are all within 10 minutes from home. :D


I will throw in another thanks to all that worked on the courses, even you Conners. ;)

Just spoke to Joe Rotan. He is on his way to pick me up and then we are flying off to Cabo with the girls in the private Twisted Thunder jet to unload some cash.

Joe says he will post an update (and pics) when we get back.

Adios. :D



You single guys have all the fun :(

I didnt play, should I complain about something like everyone else?


TULSA DID A GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!




Go for it!

I'll just tell you to kiss my FurDog. :o:D

Paul,

The statement below is an unfair accessment of what happened. First of all the player packs alone were worth the entry:

Three discs - Approx. $45
Revolution bag - Approx. $45
Collared golf shirt - Approx. $25
Misc. donated items - Approx. $15 to $25

Worst case $130. These are just estimates, and yes they probably got some pretty good wholesale prices, but run even one sanctioned event and hang $2000 to $2500 out of your own money and tell me that you don't sweat a bit on whether you see it returned or not. Joe and the TDSA put quite a bit more money out than that. I would guess upwards of $100,000. If you believe they are not due some return on that, then you are crazy. They could have put the money in bonds and made money AND not had to put up with this nonsense.

As for the Ace pot, I was suprized that it was paid out in plastic, but I have also questioned why Amateurs are allowed to take cash in an ace pot anyway. The answer from the PDGA BOD was that these were side bets. The ace pot was part of the entry fee and by no means could be considered a side bet. Really, you should refrain from belittling a group of people that busted their rears to put together one of the best World's events ever.


Whether is was optional or not, it should have been made known that the "ace pot MONEY" was going to be paid out in plastic instead of money before the tourney ever started. That would have saved a whole lot of yelling and screaming on this board. I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it. What a way to end a great week, but it would have been well worth it. Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book. I KNOW the cost of these discs and the mark up that was the 'retail' price, so a person who hit an ace was actually getting about 40-45% of the actual value of the voucher. That alone is the biggest crock of the whole week. Ace pot money is to be paid out in full whether it was optional or not. It is not part of the entry fee, and the PDGA has said so in the past.

With that said, WHERE is the rest of the money for those that did hit the aces.

ps...who were all the ace pot winners?

;)

Until you run an event of this size, don't talk about things you know nothing about. You have no idea of the amount of up front money need to pull off this kind of tourny.




Don't get me started....I have not run a PDGA event of this size, but I am a former high school tennis coach and a former TD for the USTA(Tennis Association) and I HAVE run an event of this size, one even 3 to 4 times as big, so don't go telling me what I have not done before and what I do not know. Maybe I was a little fast on the trigger on Joe Rotan, and to him I apologize, but the deal is this. I was told with my entry fee that $5 went to the ace pot. That there tells me that there will be money at the end of the tourney for whoever hits an ace. I think it should have been announced that it was going to be vouchers instead of money at the beginning or when ever it was decided. I do not think that you should be given a voucher for a certain amount and then actually get only a partial of that voucher in its value.

How would you like to go to a tournament a put in a certain amount for the ace pot and then be the ONLY one to hit it. Would you expect the whole thing or a partial payment with the rest going into the TD's pocket. Maybe that is an extreme example, but if I ran a tournament and had 100 players show up and they each put $3 in the acepot and I only paid out $150, who would be receiving the greif over the acepot then.

Information is a powerful tool when it come to doing something...right or wrong.

http://www.pdga.com/documents/2006/06AmWorldsCompleteInvitePackage.pdf

Page 5 is the entry form.
"Includes $5 Ace Pot & $5 processing fee."

Crap like this is the reason I e-mailed the PDGA for an explanation first. The only reason I posted this question here was because I haven't received a reply from the PDGA in over a week and I thought maybe someone could explain what happened in this forum. If you read my original post, it is a request for info, NOT A COMPLAINT!!! You whiny #$*&$! make me regret ever posting here, even though I did finally get an answer to my question. NEXT SUBJECT PLEASE.

The only reason I posted this question here was because I haven't received a reply from the PDGA in over a week

imagine that I bet if you lace it with profanties you will get a response

I still say you don't know CRAP!

There wasn't one person that hit it, there were 13 or 14, all of the money was paid out. And I know for fact you wern't one of them. So you're problem woud be what?

Let me set you straight on how this all went down.
1. The PDGA handled all of the entries and collection of the monies.
2. We, as the club inquired at the begining of the tournamnet, when the PDGA arrived as to, should we pay them out in cash? We asked the advice of the PDGA.
3. They made the decision, we abided by it.
4. Yes, you were told on your entry that $5 went to the ace pot. It did.
5. There was money at then end for all that hit aces. $200 vouchers each.
6. Is this all you got from the tournament? A sour attitude about something you didn't win?

I have said all along that IMO the ace pot should have been paid in cash. But it wasn't my decision, as a lot of thing weren't but thats just the way it is. Live with it. ;)

Crap like this is the reason I e-mailed the PDGA for an explanation first. The only reason I posted this question here was because I haven't received a reply from the PDGA in over a week and I thought maybe someone could explain what happened in this forum. If you read my original post, it is a request for info, NOT A COMPLAINT!!! You whiny #$*&$! make me regret ever posting here, even though I did finally get an answer to my question. NEXT SUBJECT PLEASE.



Please tell us the answer you got Jeremy.
Was it from the PDGA?

$1000 ace pool. Cash. $3 ante. This weekend. Streamwood.

I have no problem with the players pack, I thought that was above and beyond. I have no problem with the players payout, as I have stated above, I know what goes into a tournament and what comes out of my pocket, and if you think putting in a disc golf course and baskets are expensive, go and fix up some tennis courts, the surface alone will cost you several thousand dollars per court, but that is not the point.

I was disappointed in the ace pot and that is all. It was not fair to the ones who hit an ace because they were led to believe one thing and got another. That is all that I have a concern about. IT is over with and done, I guess I shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but I know how a couple of people felt about it.

Next subject..............................


Is this a foot fault?
:D


http://www.pdga.com/images/06proworlds/MixedDoublesLakeOlmstead/images/DSC_0051.jpg

The disc came out of his hand then his foot came across the front of the pad,ask the girl behind him she seen it! ;)

You say that players received 40-45% of the "actual acepool". Sure, the discs were bought at wholesale and "sold" to the acepool at retail. They still hold that retail value, even if the organizers did make money off of it. Are you telling me that the acers cannot get on ebay and sell all of their $200 ace-merch for almost $200? They might sell it for a little less, but they sure as heck aren't losing money.
Why would you even complain? You "know how other players feel about it"? You didn't get an ace, and people who did received a $200 value. It's not greenbacks, but the monetary value is still $200.

No I never heard back from the PDGA, that is why I finally posted the question here. The answer I got was from scoot_er:
"It actually does make sense because it was included in the entry and not optional. So therefore excepting cash would be a no no because the ace pot wasn't a side game. " When you look at it this way, it makes perfect sense. You cannot pay cash to an AM entry.

$1000 ace pool. Cash. $3 ante. This weekend. Streamwood.

Is this real $$ or Monopoly :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Crap like this is the reason I e-mailed the PDGA for an explanation first. The only reason I posted this question here was because I haven't received a reply from the PDGA in over a week and I thought maybe someone could explain what happened in this forum. If you read my original post, it is a request for info, NOT A COMPLAINT!!! You whiny #$*&$! make me regret ever posting here, even though I did finally get an answer to my question. NEXT SUBJECT PLEASE.



Awww, come on Jeremy...you were complaining, weren't you? :D

Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book.




Paul, I called you at MILLENIUM last night to answer you in a more professional manner. I was going to in fact pop in for a FACE to FACE with you as I am in your area and could give you the attention and answers you feel you deserve. I haven't heard back from you.

The PDGA makes all decisions for the tournament that involve money. Twisted Flyer nor myself had anything to do with the ace pot. We did however have much to do about getting as many free goodies and services for the overall player experience as we possibly could. We did hustle the fattest players pack ever. We did write the TRUE GROWTH program that will change the way our scene looks for a very long time. We did work with Revolution to come up with the LIMITED EDITION State bag program. We did work with the PDGA to get them to give winners a PRO card to move up.We did help a bunch of great guys and friends pull off the largest attented AM WORLD's ever... One thing TWISTED FLYER and JOE ROTAN DID NOT do Paul is profit from player entry or Ace Pot. Other than filling a payout order and getting love and respect returned by my disc golfing friends in the form of a hat or shirt purchase there was no money tree in Tulsa for TWISTED FLYER... just good times and memories.

Whether it was a decision by the PDGA or the TDGA, all it did was line the pockets of Joe Rotan and the Twisted Flyer sales book.




Paul, I called you at MILLENIUM last night to answer you in a more professional manner. I was going to in fact pop in for a FACE to FACE with you as I am in your area and could give you the attention and answers you feel you deserve. Unfortunately they told me you are no longer with the company... sorry to hear that buddy.

The PDGA makes all decisions for the tournament that involve money. Twisted Flyer nor myself had anything to do with the ace pot. We did however have much to do about getting as many free goodies and services for the overall player experience as we possibly could. We did hustle the fattest players pack ever. We did write the TRUE GROWTH program that will change the way our scene looks for a very long time. We did work with Revolution to come up with the LIMITED EDITION State bag program. We did work with the PDGA to get them to give winners a PRO card to move up.We did help a bunch of great guys and friends pull off the largest attented AM WORLD's ever... One thing TWISTED FLYER and JOE ROTAN DID NOT do Paul is profit from player entry or Ace Pot. Other than filling a payout order and getting love and respect returned by my disc golfing friends in the form of a hat or shirt purchase there was no money tree in Tulsa for TWISTED FLYER... just good times and memories.



MUCH love for Twisted Flyer, and deservedly so! Thanks for contributing to a great Worlds, Joe...you guys did a great job and there are a lot of us out here who sincerely appreciate all the hard work and planning that went in to making this event. Thanks TDSA! Thanks Twisted Flyer! Thanks Arkansas! Good Karma will come to you :D

Thank you Dave and Joe for setting this guy straight. What kind of a loser complains about somthing he didn't even win and calls out twisted flyer in the process. :confused:

Go away Paul Taylor you're a douchebag :o

Relax fellows paul has a good point about the PDGA not ensuring that everyone knew about how the ace pot was going to be paid out. that should have been known up front . it sounds like this was the very first event that used this sneaky method

I discussed the ace pot situation with two players that actually hit the ace, and they were happy to get what they got. :cool:

agree they were happy but would they have been HAPPIER with CASH ... probably

Relax fellows paul has a good point about the PDGA not ensuring that everyone knew about how the ace pot was going to be paid out. that should have been known up front . it sounds like this was the very first event that used this sneaky method



I agree, that was a good point. Unfortunately, it was overshadowed by the indefensible attack on Twisted Flyer. I realize Paul apologized to Joe and TF, I'm moving on...as soon as I say this: I'm not sponsored by Twisted Flyer, nor would my game justify such an honor. But every time there's a Twisted Flyer sponsored event I make every attempt to be there. This organization has done more for disc golf in this area than any other I'm aware of, and every time I'm involved in a Twisted Flyer event, win or lose (ok, lose), I never regret committing my time and money. Player's packs, payout, BOULEVARD UNFILTERED WHEAT kegs...I could sit here all day and regale you with reasons why Twisted Flyer is a class organization, and of great benefit to disc golf. If you've played their events, though, I don't have to :D

Relax fellows paul has a good point about the PDGA not ensuring that everyone knew about how the ace pot was going to be paid out. that should have been known up front . it sounds like this was the very first event that used this sneaky method




The problem I have with Paul is his slanderous remarks towards Twisted Joe. I think that he should be banned from voicing his opinions here. :o

Relax fellows paul has a good point about the PDGA not ensuring that everyone knew about how the ace pot was going to be paid out. that should have been known up front . it sounds like this was the very first event that used this sneaky method



but that point had noting to do with Twisted Flyer..that was the PDGA's decision

They are AMs Seewhere! I thought that you had a problem with ams expecting to recieve cash?

not when it is ace $$ and every disc golfer has accepted cash for aces at all other tournies until this year?? agree Paul was incorrect about twisted flyer but he has apologized to Joe and if Joe is ok with it than you guys should be too.. hope to get to put some faces with some names at the Final TX10 event if you guys come down.

I think the PDGA should force all Amateurs to move up....problem solved.

and you have to get re-classified to move back :D:p :eek:

Or be true Ams and play with the big boys and decline cash.

I don't think that MC would have to worry about that. :o

This is true, I have never once declined cash.

MC did you decline your golden shovel in order to keep your am status?

LMAOROTFF!!!!!!!!!

I have no reason to complain Paul, I didn't hit an ace. This is natural curiosity because this is the ONLY acepot I've ever heard of being paid out in plastic. My question has been answered...what else is there to discuss?

Relax fellows paul has a good point about the PDGA not ensuring that everyone knew about how the ace pot was going to be paid out. that should have been known up front . it sounds like this was the very first event that used this sneaky method



... not true ... I saw (in 1999) where almost ALL players entered in an "ace-pot" (an optional and voluntary fee) ... paid the add'l cash ... then your typical 10 to 12 people hit during the week ... the prize for these "perfect-shots" ? ... one attempt each in a "throw-off" ... one winner taking home a "gold-anodized" DGA portable Basket (donated by Steady Ed himself) ... end of "ace-story" "history" ...

key word
an optional and voluntary fee

this ace pot was not optional from what I can tell

I have no reason to complain Paul, I didn't hit an ace. This is natural curiosity because this is the ONLY acepot I've ever heard of being paid out in plastic. My question has been answered...what else is there to discuss?



Glad to see you still have a sense of humor, Jeremy :D

I think the PDGA should force all Amateurs to move up....problem solved.


i agree
and the sport would grow

Or be true Ams and play with the big boys and decline cash.



Chris, if there is no payout, the tournaments will significantly drop in number. Besides, the term True Am does not mean not taking prizes, it means not making a living at the sport. Did you mean colligiate Am?

I think the PDGA should force all Amateurs to move up....problem solved.


i agree
and the sport would grow



into nothing.....

key word
an optional and voluntary fee

this ace pot was not optional from what I can tell


.
... U are correct ... which makes it part of "AmPayout" ... which makes it merch. by definition ...

Rotan made all that cash and I didn't get anything, and I sat there in that booth all day and drank Thongs beer...I mean sold merchandise in the hot sun. ;) You're a sly one Mr Twister. If he's really sorry, maybe Paul will pitch in towards the bar tab for the week? :eek: :D

I want in on that and it will be a 2:1 ratio...TX beer vs. Okie junk :D

Cam bagger..or is that your real name? :D...answer your phone

I know the majority had a blast so ......................................

Rotan made all that cash and I didn't get anything, and I sat there in that booth all day and drank Thongs beer...I mean sold merchandise in the hot sun. ;) You're a sly one Mr Twister. If he's really sorry, maybe Paul will pitch in towards the bar tab for the week? :eek: :D



Weak!!!! If you only knew how to do it southern style!!! :cool:

I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it.






Hey Joe, can you please send Coach some Twisted Flyer gear, it might make him feel better about the ace that he almost hit a McClure.

I came close to hitting one at McClure, and I can tell you now that if I had and I would have gotten a voucher, then I would have been the most #$*&amp;$! off player at that tournament and people would have known about it.






Hey Joe, can you please send Coach some Twisted Flyer gear, it might make him feel better about the ace that he almost hit a McClure.



Hey Joe, I almost hit an ace too! I don't really know which hole or which course, and I don't want any freebies, just wanted you to know I almost hit one. Somewhere. Sometime. :D

Okay, the local news station covered the old man winning a world title. Check out the sponsorware keeping my head from buring. I guess I am slightly Twisted ;)

East Texan Grabs World Title (http://www.kltv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=906228&h1=East%20Texan%20Grabs%20World%20Title%20In%20Dis c%20Golf&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=69167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D66625%26nav%3Dmenu117_10&rnd=95114837)

I have now officially ended my 1 and 1/2 week milking session.

WAY cool!

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/gotmilk-6385.jpg

Where's her cookie? :D:o

Well deserved Jerry. :D

Well done! :)

cool jerry again congrats

Where's her cookie? :D:o



It's right over here :cool:

Okay, the local news station covered the old man winning a world title. Check out the sponsorware keeping my head from buring. I guess I am slightly Twisted ;)

East Texan Grabs World Title (http://www.kltv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=906228&h1=East%20Texan%20Grabs%20World%20Title%20In%20Dis c%20Golf&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=69167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D66625%26nav%3Dmenu117_10&rnd=95114837)

I have now officially ended my 1 and 1/2 week milking session.



Great exposure, congrats on your title.

Okay, the local news station covered the old man winning a world title. Check out the sponsorware keeping my head from buring. I guess I am slightly Twisted ;)

East Texan Grabs World Title (http://www.kltv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=906228&h1=East%20Texan%20Grabs%20World%20Title%20In%20Dis c%20Golf&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=69167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D66625%26nav%3Dmenu117_10&rnd=95114837)

I have now officially ended my 1 and 1/2 week milking session.



Great exposure, congrats on your title.



DITTO ;)

Okay, the local news station covered the old man winning a world title. Check out the sponsorware keeping my head from buring. I guess I am slightly Twisted ;)

East Texan Grabs World Title (http://www.kltv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=906228&h1=East%20Texan%20Grabs%20World%20Title%20In%20Dis c%20Golf&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=69167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D66625%26nav%3Dmenu117_10&rnd=95114837)

I have now officially ended my 1 and 1/2 week milking session.



That is kick arse, congrats on the title!

A Tulsa crew will once again make the trek to Tyler for Piney Woods, see you then.

Okay, the local news station covered the old man winning a world title. Check out the sponsorware keeping my head from buring. I guess I am slightly Twisted ;)

East Texan Grabs World Title (http://www.kltv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=906228&h1=East%20Texan%20Grabs%20World%20Title%20In%20Dis c%20Golf&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=69167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D66625%26nav%3Dmenu117_10&rnd=95114837)

I have now officially ended my 1 and 1/2 week milking session.



That is kick arse, congrats on the title!

A Tulsa crew will once again make the trek to Tyler for Piney Woods, see you then.



No doubt. Gotta try to make it three in a row. ;)

Nice work... Nice hat. Thanks for keeping it Twisted! :D

Nice work... Nice hat. Thanks for keeping it Twisted! :D



:cool:

I have noticed that the results for am-world have been broken into 'virtual pools'; for adv men that is rounds 1-4 and 5&6. I assume that is for ratings reasons to separate different courses played at different times (under different conditions). All rounds are included except the semifinals. Will the semis be rated?

Yes.