Since there is the Dave D thread we need to have a Keith M thread to ask questions about Discraft plastic.

I'll go first. Why were Z-Xtreme's only made in 1 run? I think they are starting to diminish in quantities. Will you guys be making any more? It is such a great disc.

I'll take another 50 Z-Xtremes!!!! I ordered 50 out of the 1st run of them, and only have 13 left b/c i let so many go! :eek: YIKES!

I temporarily lost my Z Xtreme. Talk about a crisis! I'd definitely buy more if they were made.

Sorry to break up the z-xtreme conversation.... Just wondering what we can expect from Discraft with the new year approaching? I have to say that I am very impressed with your latest discs, the Crush and the Buzzz. And your baskets rock too. So, like I stated before, what kind of high quality products can we expect in the up coming year?

Peace....
DC

More Z-Xtremes please! I have fallen in love with the red ones!
Gracias mi amigo e Discraft por vida!

I have a question about the stability...

I have 2 ZXS. One is fly-dye the other is orange. I recently got the orange ZXS and had the fly-dye for a while.

The stability rating on the orange one is 1.5 where as the fly-dye ZXS has a stability rating of only 1. What's up with that? Does the dye have that much of an effect on the disc?

What's up with that? Does the dye have that much of an effect on the disc?



No. The 1.0 rated disc is from an early run, the 1.5 from a more recent run.

The first few runs of Z-plastic had the same rating stamped on them as their X-plastic counteparts. In general, hhowever, Z- plastic discs are more stable than their X- counterparts, so Discraft recalibrated the stability ratings a couple of years ago to reflect the extra stability.

How was your Turkey Day Keith?

He's happy since the Lions won.

<font color="blue"> Hey Everyone,

Turkey day was great! The Lions with a nice win over the Pack. I know Chris and Timmy both were cheering on the Lions on Thursday. Just noticed this thread here.

Z-Xtremes were a limited run because they are indestructable, so unless lost you wouldn't need to purchase more. But if more are needed we will see about getting a new run going. I'll check with distributors to see if there are many left hanging around.

Many new, fun things upcoming for the new year like an Elite-X Crush or Z-Crush's in Fly-Dye. We'll keep you posted.

Alright I have to do some running around before the Aerosmith/Kiss concert tonight at the Palace. Can't wait for the show!!! :D

Keith, are the X-Wasps going to be in regular production soon?

I need a couple more Z-Xtremes and they are starting to get hard to find.

I have 3 max weight ones I am getting rid of. They are yellow, and I have developed a fondness for the red ones. I will sell them for right around what I got them for. No super-jack prices. [email protected] if interested. Sorry for the drift.

How much?

Keith, what is the status of the Pro-D Challenger? When Cam's stock runs out, will these be a regular production disc?

B.D.,

We are still working on the 2004 line up right now. It is possible that the Elite-X Wasp will remain as a tournament special disc. I will let you know in the next week or so.

Kid,

We just released the Pro-D Challenger. Not as stiff as the ones Cam has and not as soft as the Photon UV Challenger. They have a great feel to them.

We'll have to wait on the Elite-Z Xtremes right now. No way to get them up until early 2004. I'll let you know as we go on those.

Thanks!

Kid,
$15 a piece. Sound fair?

Only if he makes sure that I get one of em :D

Are they brand new?

Erik, you have mail.

Realizing what your add says about not requesting models, weights, or colors in your "Misprint 10-Packs"...can one request that 'no putters' be included? :confused:

Hi Circle 2,

The misprint packages are just grab bags. We do try to give you as good of a selection as possible but we don't give you the ability to specify anything. For the price you will definitely get what you paid for.

Keith, If the discs are misprints, how do you know what the disc actually is? :confused:

discraft molds have the model stamped on the bottom (except for protos, first runs, X-clone (says cyclone), etc).

Keith with all the candy disc your making will we see an xclone in the 2004 ? I hope.

i would love to see lower discraft prices... but i would definitely love to see z-storm<really z and transparent> maybe a z-stratus also??

there is already a Z-Storm

Keith, did you run any Z-Talon's in white plastic? I think I remember something about that.

no i am talking about a Z-storm.. the z storm now feels and looks like its a mix between elite and z plastic..

Hey Keith. Speaking of Z Storms- I was wondering what makes Z plastic different from Elite? How were the first run Z wildcat's different in plastic, they semed quite a bit more overstable, and more flexible (floppy) than the new run ones, same with Talons. Is this true? What makes the Z Z?
That first run Z Plastic was more opaque- (wildcats) and like the talon plastic. I have a zouple of Z challengers that look and feel exactly like elite Challengers in terms of stiffness and color- is there a difference?

Hello,

We tested the X-Clone in Elite-Z plastic and it wouldn't run well. We ran the Elite-Z Storm as a promotional disc for the 2003 Discraft Great Lakes Open. You may see some more of those in 2004. We tried the Elite-Z Stratus before but now with the Elite-Z Breeze coming out I'm not sure if it is needed. As far as the white Z-Talons Kid, we ran those in the first run along with the opaque orange and yellow.

Hey Keith, will we ever see a true 150 class disc from discraft in all three plastics?

Hi Chucker,

Not likely. We will be working on more models in the 150 class but not sure what materials we will be able to run them in. Both the Elite-X and Elite-Z plastics tend to run heavier so we will have to play around some. I'm hopeful that some of the discs we test in Z plastic that are too light can get all the way down to 150. We'll know more in early 2004.

Hey Pete,

The Elite-X and Elite-Z are two totally different blends. The reason for the opaque first run Elite-Z Wildcats and Talons were because of weight. Same with the Elite-Z Storm. They are all still the same plastic with the same durability, just not clear. We have only done a handful of Z-Challengers for Worlds, World Doubles and the Hall of Fame discs. The Hall of Fame discs were black and the only ones that look close to Elite-X however they are much more slick, shiney and stiff. Not too mention much more durable.

Thanks Keith. Good Stuff. I can't wait to develop the Plastic Byron to test these things quantitatively.. But that's for another thread.

My question now is- what sort of teting does Discraft do pre-production?

I don't know if this has been asked before (and I'm to lazy to scroll through all the pther pages...) but...

Any chance of seeing an X buzz or preferably even a Photon Buzz? I love that photon plastic!

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There already is one. Check out the holiday special page on the site below....

oh yeah...now where is my credit card!

I'll keep hoping and praying for a photon buzzz also

Photon Buzzz WOULD be interesting, but IMO we have enough juicy options as it stands right now.

Does that mean that you ran some more? I thought you guys were out.

The X-Buzzz's are VERY NICE. A super controllable, perfect little mid-range. Think of the Z-Buzzz with more grip and "SLIGHTLY" less stability. Pulled it out the second round of a tournament this past sunday to pull from 3 behind to win by 4........... Was it all the X-Buzzz you ask? Well it was the only thing I could tell changed!

Ahh, so that's the secret to being as good as you are Jim? Well darn, now I definately have to get my hands on a few X buzzz! (Or maybe I need to start playing with people as good as you so I can learn a few things)

Hi Tafe,

Not out just close. So far everyone that has thrown an Elite-X Buzzz has had great things to say about it. We'll have to see if this makes it to full production or maybe a TD Special disc. We may have to play around with the Photon idea. I'll keep you posted if we get those going.

I am definitely loving the Crush and the Buzz. I played Kaposia with just 8 crushes and 4 Buzzes Yesterday and had 2 aces and a chain-spit! (the chains was a first throw, the aces were practice shots!) Thank you Discraft!
Have not yet tried the Holiday Buzz. Is it Kinda like very strong Egg Nog?

Well the GLOW report is in.

The competitors:
1) Old school glow XL (circle stamp that's extremely chalky/grippy)
2) 1-2 year old glow XL (blank with Norcal stamp)
3) NEW Photon Wasp

After 2 hours, the Photon Wasp was literally twice as bright as either competitor. After waking up in the morning (6 or 7 hours later), the Photon was still glowing whereas the others were NOT.

I was super impressed with the Photon's staying power.

What's the secret?
What plastic constituent makes it glow?
Is it safe or radioactive?

well, while i was VERY impressed with the Photon when i first got it, my talon is now dirty, and doesnt hold a glow very well....

Still much better then the original, but about the same as the innova, i believe....

WASH IT! ;)

Hi Adam,

The Photon Glo plastic is safe and non-toxic. It is just an extremely long lasting glow in the dark pigment. I took out one of the Photon Glo Stratus for a night round at Kensington and played all 18 after putting it up to the head lights for just a few minutes before going out. One person e-mailed me saying it was easier to play in the night now with the Photons since he couldn't see the trees.

Actual;ly, the disc is still clean in the daylight, the glowing, is what looks "dirty", I have noticed, the time it remains glowing, relates to how long you charge one up.....

hey keith....What happend to all the Stables Crushes.....The First Run Dark Orange ones were there Best No matter how hard you snap them they always came back.......Im in desperate need of either some of those or another stable run!!!!!

Hey Steve,
I've found the 2nd run to be even more overstable than the 1st! Mine are yellow and they are truely beefy...always finishing left (RHBH) and only turning over when I force them over!

You have any your willing to get rid of.......i seem to find that the more opaque the plastic is the more stable the disc will be with the Crushes....In Any color but i LOVE the orange ones as i throw with alot of snap and they seem to work really well for me when it comes to have the disc come back left........Thanks

Snap doesn't make you flip a disc. Speed does (and lack of snap).

If you have a lot of snap (spin) you can throw really understable and they will fly straight and far.

I completely disagree with that........Snap give more speed and spin.....spin is what keeps a disc going right or flying straight when it runs out of spin and speed its starts fading back left.....If i throw really understable discs.....IE archangles with alot of snap they Roll right out of my hand when thrown flat........And if beat up enough i can throw them with hyzer and roll them.......Where as other people who Dont throw with alot of Snap Like these types of Discs...IE newbies and less powerfull players......Thats just My opinion

Too hard for me to explain right now on the computer. Too much typing involved.

understandable maybe its not because of the snap but thats what i think even still i CANT throw understable plastic without it turning over on me or rolling...which is fine if that what i want to do but for my main distance drivers thats not what i looking for IMO

no matter the company, it is hard to make a batch of hi-speed drivers that all have the exact flight characteristics. the folks who switched to d-craft because of innova driver inconsistancy must be scratching their heads now.

No one over here is Sracthing thier heads unless its about what AWESOME disc DISCRAFT will produce next.......Atleast when you buy a DISCRAFT disc in the same color and weight it will fly the same.......Cant say that or anything close to that for Innova.......ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE NO INCONSISTENCYS BUT DISCRAFT HAS LESS THAN INNOVA thats why we switched :D THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION :D

TURNOVERS TURNOVERS TURNOVERS...........Im in NEED of Turnover discs made by DISCRAFT i have only been throwing their plastic for this season and have not gotten to try all their disc yet and i frankly dont have the money for it either........So if anyone can help me in choosing good long range turnover or flip discs it would be greatly appreciated....I throw with alot of snap and power righty backhand so just let me know what you guys think :D

If you are looking for a turnover disc made by Discraft try the XS or Wildcat.

Try a Z-XL. They're grrrrrrrrrrreat!

what about the Z Xpress

Why do you people put so much emphasis on distance and not on controll?

Steve, the replies you are getting are very similar to the one I sent you.

what about the Z Xpress





Actually my z express is very overstable. Strange since the reason I bought it was to get something understable. Try the Stratus. I just picked up a Photon Glow Stratus and it turns over great!

what about the Z Xpress





Actually my z express is very overstable. Strange since the reason I bought it was to get something understable. Try the Stratus. I just picked up a Photon Glow Stratus and it turns over great!



As is my Z-Express.....

I used to turn old Elite XS's. Currently I use a Photon UV Wildcat. I like beat-up more stable discs than new understable discs. It seems that at the end of the flight path, the original stability of the disc takes over and the disc is more likely to land flat or a little hyzered rather then rolling out.

My solution is to throw sidearm.

Your solution to everything...... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Just to let everyone know, I found some Z-Xtremes. Discs Unlimited has several left.

www.discsunlimited.net (http://www.discsunlimited.net)

Thanks for the heads up. I just bought two. Gracias.

The reason your z-xpress is overstable is probably because it is one of the early runs. I am told that the early run z-xpress' were overstable. I have what I believe to be a first run z-xpress and it was overstable as can be when I first got it. You can tell by the ripples in the plastic if it's an early run. At least that is what I am told. The newer runs are very translucent. Keith might be able to shed some light/truth on this...

As for a good turn over disc from discraft, try an elite-x wildcat or a z-xl. I have a 165g z-xl and a 166g elite-x wildcat that I throw with a ton of hyzer and it will flatten and go understable a bit and then come back left at the end. The disc is the shiznit with a tail wind.

I bought a Z Xpress when they first came out, a light one (160 gm). I was looking for something understable, but was shocked at how overstable it was. It was probably more overstable for me than the 170-gm Z XS I bought at the same time (which since drowned in a pond in Provo, UT, alas).

MERRY X-MAS!!
Today we can only use the Holiday Buzz...

Keith, what can you tell us about new/ retooled discs for next season?

<font color="orange">Where can i get First Run Elite X talons in max weight. I NEED some of the yellow ones with the little stamp in the middle of them. If any one can get me any max weight X Talons in any color i have lots of plastic and Cash :) Shoot me a private message or an email
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I don't know if this question has come up or if Discraft has put out this disc but, will there ever be a Z-Xclone? Or has there ever been one made?

I think they tried to run it a while ago and it didn't turn out well so they scraped it.

I jsut have to give the X-Xpress some praise. I threw it consistantly 400' today like 10 times (before I wore out) straight and anhyser. Super controllable disc! I usually max out at about 360'. I also found a champion valk on the course and decided to test drive it. It just helped to confirm that discraft makes the best drivers out there.

It just helped to confirm that discraft makes the best drivers out there.

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I guess this is why Innova "Crush'd" the world record twice last year. :D

I didn't say that discraft makes the longest drivers...just the best.

Also, if you think throwing 900' will help your golf game, then buy a dx valk and start practicing. I would rather throw 350 consistantly and accurately. How many 900' holes do you play on average?

I got my Z Comet when Ron came through KY. I have a lot of fun with this disc. We have lots of wooded courses, So I throw it alot and have come to depend on it. Will Discraft produce more these disc or are you putting all of your stock in the Buzzz?

i love my buzzz.

are there any clear ones ?

Hello Everyone,

It has been a crazy end of 2003 and start of 2004. I've been absent from the board for a while so I need to go back a bit. Regarding the Elite-Z X-clone, we did test those but they didn't run well. We put it on the back burner until we have more time to play around with it. We will be making some clear Z-Buzzz since we will start Fly-Dying them in the next few weeks. You should start seeing ColorMax designs on clear Z-Buzzzes in the next few months. The Z-Comet will be with Ron Russell again this year. Look for him at all NT and major A-tier events this season. We have a number of things we are working on right now for our 2004 TD and Club Specials. We are also working on new items for our lines. I'll keep you posted on here with all the new info as I can release it. I hope everyones holidays were nice and can't wait to see everyone out there in 2004.

Thanks, Keith

I want non-black X-Wasps for retail, I want Photon Wildcats, I want a hamburger, no cheeseburger . .. .

(I wanted the clear Z-Buzz too . . .but you covered that one already.)

you'll get nothing and like it! :D

NO SOUP FOR YOU! :mad:

DisCrap

You are a loser.

I USED to call it that too, right after they changed the regular plastic(D) right around when the X plastic first arrived.....

I HATED that ew soft stuff, my X-clones and Cyclone 2's werent the same, so I went to all Innova and Millennium.....

Nowadays, its about half Innova and half Discraft.....

people who arent sponsored, or trying to get sponsored, and throw one exclusively, and only cheating themselves...they both have great discs, that dont have an exact counterpart....

Amen.

Bless his heart. JOSHUA (aka.discgolf) is still growing up. Leave him alone.

Tough love. :)

Byte me Boogie Boy!!! :mad:


:D

How can i get my hands on the Clear Z BUZZZ in Max Weight i want about 10 of them. Let me know if there are any missprints or how i can get ahold of the clear ones???
Also is it the same Creamy grippy plastic as the ones now or is it the hard plastic the wasps are made out of??? Please say creamy grippy plastic :confused:

Keith, I have a question maybe you could help me with. I know you probably don't like to compare comanies too much, but I was curious about something. On the Innova web site for their quick reference list, they rate their discs by speed with the Beast and Monster at a 10. On the discraft list on their web site, it is more geared to stability only. If you had to try to rate the discraft discs by"speed", which ones would be the fastest? I have always liked the Talon which seems fast to me but I wanted to ask the question here.

Also, the Talon is said to be your lowest profile disc - does the lower profile always equal more speed? It seems the Wildcat, Talon, and the Crush are the fastest but are they necessarily the "farthest" discraft discs out there?

I know these questions may be severly subjective but any input you have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

I would guess that the Crush is the fastest. Then the Predator. But that is only my guess.

Having thrown D-Craft for the last year, I think that the speed order would be something like:
Crush
Predator
Wildcat & Talon

With the X-Pred being silly fast, and the Z-pred being only slightly slower.

Erik

Ps. Talons are great. I love them. Keep 'em coming!

Yeah, that sounds about right. I know everyone's throwing style is slightly different but the Talon has always seemed so consistent for me that I wanted to get other similar discs as well. Discraft said it was their lowest profile disc so I thought that might have something to do with it. Profile is how thin the disc is right?

By the way, the best mid range for me is the Squall. I think it has a low profile as well. Discraft makes this for DGA if I'm not mistaken.

Pred
Crush
Cat

I see that the MRX is coming in Z plastic. When can we expect to see them? I'll take 20 if this is true.

d-challengers, are certain colors more stiff than others thoughts???

no

yes there is a different stiffness between colors in the pro D and the UV, i was sent some D challengers which were orange, and they were way to stiff, so i asked Keith if there was softer ones, and he then sent me a bunch of white and blue ones, they are way less stiff, also in the UV challengers there was a run in which some came out stiffer than the flimsy regular soft UV's, i have a few with the regular stock stamp, but i have a bunch with the Toronto Island stamp and with the Can-Am series stamp, iam also looking for more of these UV challengers, so if anybody reads this and has some, would you like cash or trade.

Hi Keith,
what�s the different between the plastic that came with the Cyclone discs in 93 (or 92) and todays Elite-x? Is it the same, did you have a speciell name for it?

discgolfer 12320, i have 2 of the am worlds uv's 172 or 173. i would like to trade for some of the stiff d plastic. email me if interested

i gave away the 5 orange ones that i had. a buddy took 3 i will check to see if he is using them.
Jason

Keith:

Just wondering if you could give an update on the chances of seeing some 150 class discs this year.

DC

Are MRX's going to be available in Z Plastic?? That would be sooo sweet.

Hello Everyone,

Just getting back on track from a great West Coast swing. I think I brought the cold with me to Vegas and Scottsdale though! I'll get to some of the questions I've seen around the board. First, there are no plans to run an Elite-Z MRX. We are working on a number of models to be produced in the 150 class in Elite-Z plastic. The material we used to run the Cyclones in was refered to as Tournament Pro plastic. It was not as durable as the Elite-X but otherwise pretty similar. The Elite-X Crush is going to be a fund-raiser for the 2004 Discraft Great Lakes Open, more details to come. We will be running the Elite-X Buzzz as a regular production item in the VERY near future. I'll keep you all posted on other new items as they become available.

Its Nice to have you back from the west coast. Good work at the Memorial.

First NT WIN OF THE YEAR FOR DISCRAFT @ The 2004 Memorial. Timmy Gill beats Barry Schultz in a playoff to capture his first NT win. Congrats to Timmy and the Discraft CREW :D

cb--unpucker and wipe that sh t off your face

Hey steve get a F^%$#N LIFE, stop being such an [*****]HOLE and have something positive to say then maybe i wont think your such a waste of life. Go back to elementary school if you want to make fun of people to make yourself feel cooler. In all reality it only makes you look like more of a loser. :eek:

Too bad i have to share a name with someone like you :mad:

sorry about the thread drift guys :D

We are working on a number of models to be produced in the 150 class in Elite-Z plastic. .



This is exciting news -- I hope these lighter Z discs start showing up soon.

The Elite-X Crush is going to be a fund-raiser for the 2004 Discraft Great Lakes Open, more details to come.



Is it possible to make an X-Crush that is less stable than the Z? Just wondering. I was hoping that the X would be understable but that is just me being selfish. :)

Throw it into a cement wall!! These things are stable!!!! WAY stable!!!

Hi Kid,

I think that a more overstable Crush in Elite-X plastic is good since it will beat up a little bit more than the Elite-Z material. Everyone that threw them really liked the X-Crush and some even started using them right out of the players package during the event. Look for them to become available as a DGLO fundraiser in early April.

Thanks Keith.

HEY KEITH

can i get some of those?

Jason

Hi Jason,

We'll be getting some out to you guys in the next couple of weeks. The ones we will have for the Discraft Great Lakes Open will be Fly-Dyed and ready to go in early April.

i NEED a stack of those Crystal Clear Challengers. How can i get my hands on some of those with out payin an arm and a leg in Ann Arbor where they tried charging me 25 when i payed 20 at the Memorial or was it 15 for the Crystal and 20 for the Crush.

When you say stack, how many do you want? And what price are we talking?

Im thinking like 4 or maybe 5 of them??? I think i payed 15 In AZ for the tournament stamped one. I am not willing to pay over 20 bucks a Disc though. Thats kind of insane dont you think???

Keith, just wondering if z glow plastic is an option for a production item? I saw a z mrv the TG had and it looked sweet. I guess they can be charged by the sun.

I have a couple of those Glow-Z-MRVs from Scott Papa's Howliewood tournament a couple of years ago. They glow all night with limited charge. They are awesome. Scott said that there were only a few hundred produced. The one Timmy sold on eBay was the only one for sale online that I know of.

I also have a few from Scott Papa and they glow every night.

Hello Harpua,

Unfortunately the Photon Glo material we use dosen't like to mix with Elite-Z plastic. There were only 300 good parts of the Photon Elite-Z MRV's that we tried. Most went to Scott Papa for Howliwood and the rest to A3 for the Mystic Mills event in Ann Arbor. We'll keep playing around with it but it's not at the top of our list right now.

Hey keith whats the deal with the Crystal Clear Challengers man??? Is A3 going to be the only place to get them around here. If so it doesnt look like any will be making it into my bag unless i win one cuz 25 Dollars at Hudson Mills is Rediculous. Is there anyway i can get my hands on some???
And are you guys going to run another batch of Cam Todd challengers anytime soon??? The new Pro D ones are just too soft :mad: Ill come by and talk to you when i finally bring back my chainstar that has only 23 chains so i can get a top with 24 chains. Is there anything we should be looking forward to in the near future???

Hi Steve,

The CryZtal Challengers are available with any tournament or club stamp or ColorMax on them. The price on these discs can be anywhere from $15.00 - $25.00 depending on how many were made and what the TD wants to sell them for. I'm sure more will be popping up at MDGO and other events around here. We will be doing another run of stiff CT Challengers in the near future. Regarding new items, the Elite-Z Buzzz and Crush are now available in Fly-Dye and the Elite-X Buzzz will be making it's national debut in the next few weeks.

I gotta say, I like the D Challenger that's less stiff than the Cam Todd version.

Great to hear Great to hear. Ill be STOCKING up on all the Cam Todd challengers that i can get my hands on. BRING ON THE ORANGE ONES in 170-172 for putting. Sweet i think ill wait till i can get my hands on some 15 dollar challengers because 25 is kinda high. I love the Memorial stamp one i got in AZ i got cam to throw a signature on it and its going on my wall. Now im just looking for one that i can THROW :D Keep up the good work over there guys. Thanks for making such great plastic :D

And I prefer the UV Challenger. It's pretty.

Oh man. The stiff ones are the bomb. 170-172 Orange for putting and 173-174 White for Drives and Approaches from 300 and in :D And Hopefully i will be Adding the Crystal Clear challenger for Drives when i need the little fad at the end :D I hate soft Putters they stick to my hand to much and i just cant putt with them. They obviously work for Erik cuz he kicked my ACE at the Memorial with them :D

Sweet, I could use some more Cam Todd Challengers. I will take a dozen orange ones 173-174. I am hoping to get some Crystal challengers for $15. Hey Mills, I saw you today on Michigan Ave by Haggerty. You ran a red light :D

Hey Mills, I saw you today on Michigan Ave by Haggerty. You ran a red light



It was an Orange like semi yellow semi red and i was on my way to CASS to get some practice in so can you blame me???

PS i need about 50 of those Cam Todds. 25 Orange 170-172 for putting and 25 White 173-174 for Drivers and approaches. I CANT afford to run out of these things :D

Has there been a decision made on the X-Wasp? Will it strictly be a fund raiser? Either way will you be running it in other colors than black? Just curious before I buy any more Super Rocs.

They ran the x wasp in white as well. I got one in the Majestic players pack. I think they also ran them in yellow and/or red, not sure though. Keith I heard about your proto driver, kind of a crush with talon nose, any other info about it? Keep up the great work can't wait for more Cam Todd Challengers, stiff as a board.

Black and white last year. So far this year they've added red. I'm hoping for yellow. Since X-Buzzz's will be out in a few weeks, X Wasps are tournament discs.

With the X-Wasp being a tournament disc, why not retail them somewhere like Innova does via Zonedriven? I'll continue to buy the Super Rocs. Never really see much Discraft stuff in the neighborhood and I'm not planning on anymore tournaments this year.

I jsut have to thank you guys at Discraft for some excelent plastic! I threw my Z Wildcat and Glow Cyclone about 20' past a 500' hole for my longest drives ever! I was totally stoked!

p.s. I also did it with a GDS Spirit, GDS Blaze. The hole was slightly down hill.

With the X-Wasp being a tournament disc, why not retail them somewhere like Innova does via Zonedriven? I'll continue to buy the Super Rocs. Never really see much Discraft stuff in the neighborhood and I'm not planning on anymore tournaments this year.



You can contact the TD's running the events sponsored by Discraft. There is a link on Discrafts page showing a bunch of tournaments getting custom discs.

If you are interested send me an email or PM and I would be happy to get some Riverside Open (http://www.riversideopen.com) discs to you!

Keith,

I was just wondering with all of the new discs types coming out, how do you guys determine when to discontinue a particular disc line? I know that at some point it simply is not profitable to make a particular disc that doesn't sell well. I was also wondering roughly what the stability rating of the new Crystal challengers was.

Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please never discontinue the Cyclone!!

I found that the cryZtal challenger flies like my first run X's, which are a little more stable than the current X's.

I think the CryZtal's are like the CT Challengers. Stable and durable! Me likey!

Can't wait to see the next run of CT Challengers !!!!! :)
When will those be out??????? :eek:

Yo kieth, for the CT challenger, are they going to be sold exclusive to cam or retaily

Hello all,

Shane, we just go by the numbers and decide by what isn't moving anymore. For stability on the CryZtal Challenger, it is more overstable than the Elite-X. I'd rate it at a 1.5.

DiscGraham, you will never have to worry about us getting rid of the Cyclone!

Hey Jamie, the CT Challengers will be available through Cam and maybe a couple of other outlets. I'll keep you posted when there is more info.

Kieth are the ct goin to be just like the old ones if so early, or late?

Hi Jamie,

Not sure what you're referring to.

the new pro d ones are diff from ct's. The ct's from around may are less stable and they are brittle and can be broken :( The ones like at the am nationals were more stable and durable, ask any1 who throws the

huh?

Hey Keith how about making the X-WASP a full production run! I'm sure you would make alot mroe money by doing that than by selling them only at tourneys. Besides, you've gotta compete with the new SE Roc now...whaddya say?!

Keith,
I'm finally getting back to this thread, sorry to hear that there are no current plans for a Z-MRX. Any plans for anything like that in the future? I could really use a Z midrange with that much "over-stability." Thanks for responding and for keeping the discs coming.

JK

jdk,

Do you not like the Z-Wasp? I've only owned one since they came out, and it's been in my bag for awhile, and I still am not use to how overstable it is.

Jim,
Absolutely, the Z-Wasp is in the bag. I still would like something in Z plastic that is more overstable for when I really have to crank a midrange forehand without turning it over. Currently I use "X" plastic MRX's for such shots. That, and I also tend to throw an MRX for a tomahawk approach (don't tell anyone on the "overuse" thread) and I would like to get something just as overstable in Z plastic because those overhand shots tend to beat on the discs.
JK

huh?



EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused:

They are making another run of Z Xtremes. That is a midrange and prolly more overstable then a MRX. If you can flip a Extreme without a 30 mile an hour dead on head wind then you must be part Beast or something

Trust me the Xtreme will take all you have and then some and still come out

try a h plastic demon

I'd say an Xtreme is a driver like an Xtra. They are built off roughly the same "body". Stoopidest Stable there is (Z-Xtreme).

More stable than a cfr viper?

try a h plastic demon



Why??? Gateway plastic blows and the Xtreme is prolly more stable anyway :D

Actually, the Z-Xtreme is not as overstable as a Speed Demon. The Z-Xtreme is a great disc, though.

Viper ain't either.

he just said a demon???

actually, the gateway h plastic is very nice. in line with the new innova se. very grippy in all conditions and semi-durable. the regular demon [midrange] and speed demon in this plastic are both very, very overstable. but, i digress as this is, after all, a thread for disccraft questions

Which Demon, though? I've seen flat to domey and soft to so hard it should be illegal. At least the Z-Xtremes are consistent and they have enough of a rim that you can actually grip it.

Which Demon, though? I've seen flat to domey and soft to so hard it should be illegal. At least the Z-Xtremes are consistent and they have enough of a rim that you can actually grip it.



What in your opinion would make a stiff disc illegal?

Discs have to have enough "flexibility" to satisfy one of the PDGA's equipment standards. A long time ago, on courses far, far away, Dynamic Discs made a disc called the Dimple. It had little golfball-like dimples on it which they called their Circular Displacement System, thinking that it may transmlate into more distance. The tech standards committee said that the Dimple could not be PDGA approved due to its unusual stiffness and lack of flexibility. I think you can view the technical standards somewhere on this page.

Exactly. I believe that safety was behind originally adopting this principle. I was at a distributor's house and he handed me a Blaze that was the hardest disc I've ever felt. I can pretty much guarantee that if that particular disc had been sent in for qualification testing, it would have failed.

GATEWAY BLOWS lets get back to asking Keith Questions about DISCRAFT plastic which doesnt blow :D

Enough of the thread DRIFT :mad:

c'mon dude--you don't have to say that something blows just because you choose to throw something else. it's just putting bad vibes out there. [it's also inviting bad golf karma ;)] try to be less aggro and others on the board will like you and your posts more. i do have a question for keith and/or discraft folks--i heard there was a new driver on the way and that there are some prototypes out there--any info?

Keith, I recieved 2 X-Wasps last night from an ebay sale and I was completely blown away today! These discs are amazing! Its like a black plastic extention of my hand. Even though it was my first day with them, I felt like I knew them from the start. I had no problems getting these things out to 300 in a 10 mph headwind! I even got an ace on a 250' straight AND THIS IS MY FIRST COUPLE HOUIRS WITH THEM!! I truly hope this disc will become a full production run...any future driver plans can wait as far as i'm concerned! This disc is exactly what I've been looking for. The only bad thing about the X Wasp is that it makes the rest of my midranges obsolete. WOW!!

Anyone who has not yet thrown a X Wasp needs to get one NOW!!!

c'mon dude--you don't have to say that something blows just because you choose to throw something else. it's just putting bad vibes out there. [it's also inviting bad golf karma ;)] try to be less aggro and others on the board will like you and your posts more. i do have a question for keith and/or discraft folks--i heard there was a new driver on the way and that there are some prototypes out there--any info?



Bad Kahrma? How else woulde he shoot so bad.

On gateway their discs might not be the best but we need some more companies in the DG world so that makes them awsome. Discraft is the best

Kieth was with the new crush things are they posed to be more or less stable

More companies may emerge now that Innova's patent has run out.

Question: When will the new Elite Crushes be available?

--i heard there was a new driver on the way and that there are some prototypes out there--any info?


I think i might know something about that but my karma seems to be clouding my memory. Oh well maybe it will come to me later ;)


Kieth was with the new crush things are they posed to be more or less stable



If you spoke like a human being. Then maybe someone could answer your questions. But untill you learn how to speak and or type, you can shut your mouth about me or anything else that you might want to talk about. Maybe you should be in school learning from your ENGLISH teacher instead of making yourself look like a moron on this board. :D

That is funny coming from a guy that needs to check and fix the error that he typed on the Champion-Z thread. :D

I've thrown the X Crush. It is more stable than the Z, even though it has a taller dome. It is also SUPER fast! I understand that they will be available next at DGLO.

here we go again--didn't this guy learn anything last time we went through this? sorry this is playing out on keith's thread

here we go again--didn't this guy learn anything last time we went through this? sorry this is playing out on keith's thread



What are you talking about. Your just trying to start something. Just keep your negative comments to yourself no one cares what you have to say. :mad:

Is this thread for Grade School students? Ohhhh it is for DISCRAFT QUESTIONS... :eek:

Is this thread for Grade School students? Ohhhh it is for DISCRAFT QUESTIONS...


Thank you. Nothing on this thread was meant to offend anyone. Gokayaksteven just has it out for me or something. Everything i said here is just my opinion. Sorry if anyone was offended. Back to the questions for keith. :D

You may think I�m crazy but I can throw my Soft Magnets more accurate with lots of snap with out flipping them. When I do that with my 1st run Challenger it flips. It�s supposed to be more stable right? I must be doing something wrong, or I�m just so used the flight of my Soft Magnets. Maybe I should hunt down a CryZtal Challenger and give it a try. I loved the Chief last year, but tacoed it off a tree. I love the Idea of Z Challengers. It is Z plastic right? BTW I have tried Z Magnets as well and they flip too, maybe my expectations are too high and I'm actually pumping them much harder than I think. Would someone please drop me some info on where to get a CryZtal Challenger. After that, you can all tell me how crazy I am.
-Scott

I can pick you one up this weekend @ our first MDGO event. They are Z Plastic and they are the BOMB. They look sweet as hell and fly even more sweet then they look :D

They are like 25 bucks a piece though. Kinda high if you ask me. Im tryin to get my hands on a stack or 5 or so and im trying to get them for about 15 which is what i paid for one in AZ when they made their debut. Let me know cuz i KNOW i can get a couple this weekend.

$25? High. They can't be ordered from any sites? Are you coming down to the BDGA Open, in Lexington, KY? I think I remember reading you were, but I could be wrong.
-Scott

They are only Tournament Fundraiser Discs. Yes ill will be down for the AM A Tier on the 3rd and 4th or April. I could bring you down a couple when i come. Yeah if i get them this weekend they are going to be atleast 25$ bucks a piece. Let me know if you want any of them.

I found the same thing with the soft magnet. My Beat 170 soft magnet flies longer and more accurately than my 174 X Challenger and 176 Stiff magnet.

Sorry I can't justify that price for plastic. Thanks anyway. I love throwing premium plastic, but premium plastic that I can afford to replace if I dunk one in the lake or stream. If you find them for $15 again groovy :cool:, touch base with me.
-Scott

$25 for a cryZtal challenger is high...they were $17 with a full color custom stamp at last weekend's wichita falls, tx tournaments (texas 10 saturday and btier sunday).

i snagged one as part of my winnings...i love it so far.

Your telling me its high. I payed 15 for my full color stamped one at the memorial and that was the first time anyone had ever even SEEN them. I think its just the ANN ARBOR inflation rate. Charge more and pay back less i think is the general idea from what i hear. Not my opinion yet but thats what everyone keeps telling me

i know about the ann arbor rate it goes for everything there not just discs lol :p

Actually, I think it's an INNOVA inflation rate. TD's see everyone paying $25 for Innova and say, "why not?" The way I understand it is that they can charge anywhere from $15-$25 for the CryZtal. Oh well, I'd rather pay $25 for something I might use.

Okay boys and girls, sit down and let me tell you how to get CryZtal Challengers for $8 each. Wait until prizes have been awarded and offer amateur winners some money for them. There's always some amateur who dislikes Discraft and thinks their stuff is worthless.

IMO I wouldnt pay 25$ for ANY INNOVA plastic. I dont even spend ANY money on INNOVA plastic anymore. Its like a forrest gump said. Innova plastic is like a box of chocolates you NEVER know what your going to get. :o

Atleast with Discraft i can buy the Exact Disc i lost and it will fly the same :D

Actually, I think it's an INNOVA inflation rate. TD's see everyone paying $25 for Innova and say, "why not?"



That special rate is only for Candy Fundraiser Discs and the profits from those CFR discs goes to supporting the tournaments each run was made for. These discs are usually ones that you cannot get in candy plastic any other way... you won't see a CFR Valk or Beast - it's more like the TL and Candy Classic Roc that will be of the CFR variety and therefore go for a higher price.

I think it is wonderful that INNOVA is providing this fundraising source to TDs and I think it is shamefull for some plastic vendors to take advantage of disc golfers by overcharging and then hiding behind some lame and uninformed excuse like "INNOVA Inflation".

Actually both the cryZtal an CFR dont cost that much for the club/ tourny the idea of them both is to put some money in the pro purse

And that is exactly why I buy them from prize winners. Although a TD may offer me a disc at a reduced price, I would rather they make the money for their tournament.

We are agreeing, Jamie.


That special rate is only for Candy Fundraiser Discs and the profits from those CFR discs goes to supporting the tournaments



Meaning, the discs cost less to the TD and the TD sells them for the CFR price to raise funds for the tournament.

And that is exactly why I buy them from prize winners. Although a TD may offer me a disc at a reduced price, I would rather they make the money for their tournament.



They are trying to make the money with a little help from innova, but you buying plastic off the winners doesn't help anyone but you.

Exactly. Well not exactly. For some reason, Adv. players often approach me with their loot and offer to sell it to me at a reduced price. I will also make trades if I have something that someone wants. I recently traded a Glow CE Roc for a case of coffee, 3 Z Discs and 6 other discs. What's wrong with free enterprise if everyone get's something they want? I really wanted that coffee.

I hope you got a BUZZZ out of that deal also ;) Get it a BUZZZ just like a CE Roc but with no Bead. Ok sorry im really bored at work.

And if you have something someone wants and they have something you want then why the HECK not :D

By the way i have alot of INNOVA to get rid of if anyone has something that i would want :D

The guy that approached me with the offer heard that I had some CE Rocs. He had just won a few CTP's and also some other discs. One of the discs that he didn't offer me was a clear Z Buzzz. Other than the coffee, I wanted that Buzzz.

I hear they are running Crystal Clear BUZZZs and Wildcats. Same plastic as the Crystal Challengers. I cant wait to see these bad BOYS

The clear Z Buzzz was uncolored and looked like plexiglass. The CryZtal Challengers were the color of Mountain Dew.

I think that the ZBuzz should retain the big BUZZ stamp in the middle of the disc. The new ones in typical Zplastic format do not look nearly as cool... :cool:

I think that the ZBuzz should retain the big BUZZ stamp in the middle of the disc. The new ones in typical Zplastic format do not look nearly as cool...



Ill Second that :D

We already have the clear/seethrough buzzes down here in my area. Clear blue with gold stamp is niiiiiiice.

I happen to have some of the clear Z Buzzes. You can see them in the bottom left corner of this Picture. (http://www.riversideopen.com/images/discs.jpg)

What does Innova charge TD's for the CFR Discs? They don't have prices listed on their webpage like Discraft does.

I was thinking they were going to be more clear like the Crystal Clear Challengers are :confused:

Greg, you sure have some loot. How about some deals?

BTW critics, I also helped out a fellow disc golfer by buying some of his used discs. I bought most of them to throw and the others will be sold at reduced prices. I'm not the bad guy.

I think that the ZBuzz should retain the big BUZZ stamp in the middle of the disc. The new ones in typical Zplastic format do not look nearly as cool... :cool:



i agree 100%

Greg, you sure have some loot. How about some deals?





That's the sweet stack of goodies for this years Riverside Open (http://www.riversideopen.com) in St. Cloud, MN. We are going to be using some of them for our Spring league and could probably trade for some other cool discs. Golfers like variety! Send me a PM or email with any ideas you have.

S_Wells,

Have you thrown the Pro D Challengers yet?

No. Are they more stable than the X Challenger? I'm looking for a putter to drive with, that is very durable. We have some insanely densely wooded courses in KY. Like I said in an earlier post I may be throwing it wrong, it's kind of new to me. More field shots for me.
-Scott

Well, I actually can't truely comment about how it compares to the X Challenger, the only X Challenger I ever owned (first run) I lost in a creek about a week after I received it. I never picked up another because I've putted with soft putters from day 1 and have trouble adjusting to the slicker feeling models. Then the Pro D came along, and has become a staple disc over the past month, I haven't hit a lot of trees with it, and I don't drive it into headwinds really, but I find it to be just stable enough to use as a mid-range driver, and it's got enough of a soft feel to it that I've been using it for some putts as well.

The way I understand the World's discs is this. There will be CryZtal Z Challengers, Buzzz's and Wildcats. These are fundraisers for World's like the sparkle set last year. World's ONLY and probably another HUGE color max stamp. They will be sold online by Discs Unlimited out of Herrington, KS. I'm definitely gonna grab a stack. However, I would think they might be unthrowable again if they do the same type stamp. I like Z-Cats but I couldn't throw last year's World's version since my grip puts my thumb on very rough ink. BTW, I changed my mind about the CryZtal Challengers, these things are STOOPID stable. Throw straight for HUGE hyzers!

if youre looking for a challenger to drive with, its all about the cryZtal challenger..ive thrown all the challengers out there and the cryZtal sucks for putting with but is really good for driving.

Crystal Challengers are the BOMB :D

Keith,

Can you tell us more about "The Flash"?

See the following: Discraft Flash (http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/Main.html)

YES!!!! What is this disc?

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Would you know if they are more or less stable than the crush?

Similar to the ORC???

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Not sure if I'm correct on this one, but I heard Discraft's new driver would be a crush with a talon nose (outer edge) which is flatter than the crushes. I would think this would make it more overstable but who knows. Can't wait for this one... :D

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Any1 know when the so called "Flash" might come out? Any pictures anywhere?

<------- interested in getting this "flash"

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I am waiting for Keith to post on this.

No offense cb but if you can't give us details about it, don't post about it. It just seems that you are bragging about knowing something.

I live in MI and about 10 minutes from the Factory so ill "prolly" be able to get my hands on these in a hurry after they come out. I might be able to get a few for you if you dont want to wait :D

I will def get one as I love my crush and I love my orc so if it resembels these two it can't be all that bad. When will this driver madness stop lol

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I posted the link to the Discraft Home Page and it had a pic up of the Flash..........

But alas, it has disappeared.

Big Brother? :(

I am waiting for Keith to post on this.



Ok you guys can go ahead and wait :D

I know, I know. All you have to do is call Discraft. It's all of what has been said, yet none of it. It's basically a faster, more controllable driver. Why worry? Make you opinion after you throw it.

I will wager it is the CRUSH 2.0 that got cancelled....they decided to make it an entirely different disc...


Any bets???

Any bets???



Im betting if i say anything about what i know about this disc no one will believe me anyway so ill just keep what i know to myself :D

Sorry Schmack. It appears to be a whole new disc.

In that case, I'll take that bet Schmack!!!!

Im betting if i say anything about what i know about this disc no one will believe me anyway so ill just keep what i know to myself :D



Now you got me all excited about a disc that we prob wont see for a few months. Man! :cool:

I'm betting that if you say anything about what you know about these discs your posts will be deleted by cbdiscpimp.

I'm betting that if you say anything about what you know about these discs your posts will be deleted by cbdiscpimp.



No one believed what i had to say so i deleted what i had to say :D

Hey Kieth

How about a nice Photon Glow Challenger?

Does'nt that souns like a disc that should go into the lineup?

HMMMM

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

It's basically a faster, more controllable driver.



Is this the short-awaited D-Orc? :)

will it be called the z-flash or the z-dork?

will it be called the z- flash or the z-dork? ;)

Photon Glo Challenger would be sweet, even better if it was as stiff as the Cam Todd ones. Putting in the dark is always better when you see them go in.

any new word on this discraft flash disc as in release dates info pics
<------ excited about this disc can you tell

So did this thread die?

Kieth those cam todd challenger that you said may be made again will they be exclusive to cam or regular?