I do see all.

I do see all.



Welcome back, glad you spoke up!
Good to rejoin before the rate increase, I sure did ... good till 2012.

Hi fossil,

Good to be back and I look forward to keeping you guys posted on all of the new and exciting things happening around Discraft.

Just a guess, but is it not frustrating to you Discraft loyalists to not have cyber/DISCussion Board responses directly from above? Granted, there are quite a few sponsored players who chime in with accurate information...

I carry discs from the Big-3 and having the "Ask Dave" Dunipace and McCormack threads is a BIG PLUS...to hear info straight from the source. Discraft ought to sponsor one of you Board/bored regulars to take this Catbird Seat... Just a thought...
.02



Not to mention guys like Dave from Revolution, Jonny from Discwing, and Matt from Snapdisc...I totally agree with the above post. When either Dave comes on the board with a new disc idea, you can truly feel the excitement in their sentiments and it is contagious. Hearing directly from the horse's mouth what a new disc is designed to be is imo a lot more helpful than hearing from a random disc golfer who just threw a disc I've never heard of. That kind of advertisement sure gets me excited to try new discs and spend money :D.

Hi fossil,

Good to be back and I look forward to keeping you guys posted on all of the new and exciting things happening around Discraft.


K Diddy is back! How you been? Hopefully I will be seeing you down in FL for the Playas Cup!!!

Back to the questions. Have you guys considered making a Pro D Banger without the groove top? Thanks,

What do you mean "Hopefully I will be seeing you down in FL for the Playas Cup!!!?" You better be there, i made my plans around my Par72 bros! :D

I know Ill be down there as long as my boss doesnt kill me for taking ANOTHER week of for my disc golf addiction!!!

Well this will be my last post untill I find a computer somewhere in NC or SC because my laptop is broken and my sisters just got fried by a power surge last night.........Ill see whoever is going to be in Charlotte this weekend around noon tomorrow and then ill see everyone whos going to USDGC on SUNDAY night/Monday morning :D:D:D

Welcome back Keith,

Hoping to make my comeback tournament the Memorial. With lots of auxilliary practice this off season, I have a new goal for 2007. Mills knows what that goal is.

I just went to the Discraft website and saw that Geoff Bennett throw his sidearm shot between 475ft-610ft with his Pulse. That must mean he breaks the world record consistantly. I have played with him and can almost guarantee that he can't hit 520' in 5 shots.

Maybe it was down hill :confused:
Was there any fine print?

Maybe it was down hill :confused:
Was there any fine print?



Trolls.....

I just went to the Discraft website and saw that Geoff Bennett throw his sidearm shot between 475ft-610ft with his Pulse. That must mean he breaks the world record consistantly. I have played with him and can almost guarantee that he can't hit 520' in 5 shots

Matt and Dave.. When was the last time gateway won worlds?

I wasn't dogging Discraft just saying that it was a little over the top. BTW we won worlds in 04' and 05'.

Hey Brad,

No plans on a Banger that isn't a GT right now. You know, "If it ain't broke..."

Hi Kris,

Great meeting you at the US Amateur Championship this year. It's nice to put a face to the Parkn name. You should really try and make it to the Memorial, one of the premier events in disc golf.

Yeah i have 2 questions...when is the Tracker going to be made in ESP plastic and when is the torque going to be made in X (i know this is a long way away)?

Well Poison,

No dates on either, but the ESP Tracker would be the first of the two. Just keep checking here and on Discraft.com (http://www.discraft.com) for more info.

If you have an RSS reader you can find out how to stay ahead of the pack by clicking here. (http://www.discraft.com/res_rss.html)

Hi Keith,
I live right down 96 from the Wixom plant you got there. Just wanted to say thanks and I know Discraft has a lot to do with why we in Michigan are SPOILED ROTTEN with courses and sanctioned tournies. Mega Kudos!!!!

Question for ya...

What does discraft have that flies like a sidewinder? I haven't been able to find anything.

Ditto for the XD.

Thanks

#26477

What does discraft have that flies like a sidewinder? I haven't been able to find anything.

Ditto for the XD.

Thanks

#26477



You picked a couple of tough ones to compare. The Z XS is a little shorter and slower than a Sidewinder, but has a similar line of flight. The Z Flash would be similar but faster,depending on the run. Some fly like a Sidewinder or Beast and some fly as stable as an Orc. The XD is tough as well. In fact, my friend Larry Labond was picked up by Discraft this past year after throwing primarily Innova his entire playing career prior. He told me that switching over was easy except for replacing his XD, as nothing was close in terms of flight and feel in the hand. Perhaps the Torq will feel a little like it, I haven't seen one yet.

Thanks but I've tried all those. Perhaps it was more of a request then a question..... :cool:

Thanks but I've tried all those. Perhaps it was more of a request then a question..... :cool:



I second that. Perhaps a Surge-like wing only narrower and without the abrubt angle at the bottom of the wing...who knows.

I go retro with an XL when comparing flight paths similar to a sidewinder. That or an Xpress. Both would be a little slower, but what does speed have to do with it when you get the results you desire.

As for the XD, closest thing might be the Breeze.

I compare the sidewinder to the express and xl also. They are both slower, but are also both more stable, so if you have the power to throw a sidewinder right, you should be able to make the xl or express take the same lines, but with a more predictable fade from the added stability. The XL is a great disc.

Now that Keith is back someone should fix the dead pages at the end of this thread....

Hey Hacksaw,

I would agree that right now the Xpress is the closest disc in our line to the Sidewinder. However, look for something Avenger'ish in the near future.

For the XD, John is right about the Breeze. When we ran that for the One Disc Ace Race in 2003 a lot of people compared it to an XD in Elite-Z plastic.

Hey Keith,

I'm loving the ESP plastic. I'm switching from Star to similiar discs in ESP plastic. I'm curious if the Challenger will be available in ESP?

PT Woods
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SDDGA (http://www.sddga.com)

I've thrown a few light weight Avengers that flew a lot like a Sidewinder after a little break in time.

I have never thrown a Sidewinder. When people around me are throwing them, and I need a disc that is going to go the right. I grab the Z-Tracker. The one I have has a few rounds on it, so it is easy to flip it over. You may want to try an X-Tracker out, they seem a little less stable to me.

Before the tracker, I had a stack of BEAT-UP X Crushes.

Hi Primetime,

No plans right now, but I never say never!

Hey Smitty,

I would agree with you about a beat Elite-X Crush, but I would like to focus on something that will do that right off the shelf. Basically a faster Xpress, and I think what we have been working on will be perfect.

Sweet, cannot wait to try it out.

I would like to focus on something that will do that right off the shelf. Basically a faster Xpress, and I think what we have been working on will be perfect.



Suh-Weet! The Z-Xpress has been in my bag since it came out. It's a great out of the box turnover shot/roller disc. All it ever really needed was to be a little faster. Sounds like you've produced another winner!

What about the slipstream GT? I know it was real flippy.

Gotta agree with Scooter...I have thrown a Slipstream-GT and it is similar to a Sidewinder.

very similar

I have thrown avengers for 6 months now, and feel they mad GREAT turnover drivers once broken in, I dont think I will ever throw a out of the box understable driver again.

Keith,
Any plans on an XL in ESP plastic? I'm running out of my first run z's.

Yummy......an ESP XL. I still use, and have a nice stack of the elite XL....you know, the one's that had some sort of chalky powder on them.....1998-1999ish...before all of this fancy durable plastic. :D

you know, the one's that had some sort of chalky powder on them



I remember those. I think that run was made in Colombia. :eek: :p

Hey Brad,

There has been some talk around here about an ESP XL. No plans on running it right now.

ESP Tracker in the near future???

Hi Kris,

Great meeting you at the US Amateur Championship this year. It's nice to put a face to the Parkn name. You should really try and make it to the Memorial, one of the premier events in disc golf.



Heck yeah! As soon as this ankle heals I will be back on the course. Instead of Charlotte Open being my pro debut, I am planning on it being the Memorial. My boss, and two of my co-workers are professionals disc golfers. One sponsored, Dean Tannock (sure, he throws Innova, but he is still a good golfer) and a former Discraft player Dan Bradley. So the Memorial is kind of a company trip. If they don't go, I have friends out there to stay with.

ESP XL??? Hmmm :D.....I love the Z-XL (discontinue it and I would cry) I have been throwing the same one for 18 months, still straight as an arrow.

Hi Keith,
which disc will be the next one in ESP?
Will you release the Meteor in the regular ESP line-up?

I had a chance to throw the ESP Torque last night. I am a bit confused. I have read on various distributors that the Torque is supposed to be between a drone and a wasp. I found it to be similar to a beat up x-buzzz. The guy that had the disc had the same feedback. Are these supposed to have more fade than that? I threw it in calm conditions and it had a nice gentle right track and then straightened out and finished straight. Anybody else thrown these yet?

I had a chance to throw the ESP Torque last night. I am a bit confused. I have read on various distributors that the Torque is supposed to be between a drone and a wasp. I found it to be similar to a beat up x-buzzz. The guy that had the disc had the same feedback. Are these supposed to have more fade than that? I threw it in calm conditions and it had a nice gentle right track and then straightened out and finished straight. Anybody else thrown these yet?



That's pretty much what I have seen as well.

I had a chance to throw the ESP Torque last night. I am a bit confused. I have read on various distributors that the Torque is supposed to be between a drone and a wasp. I found it to be similar to a beat up x-buzzz. The guy that had the disc had the same feedback. Are these supposed to have more fade than that? I threw it in calm conditions and it had a nice gentle right track and then straightened out and finished straight. Anybody else thrown these yet?



That's pretty much what I have seen as well.



Mine turns over to but i've narrowed it down to releasing it wrong. I've corrected that and it flies pretty straight. It will turn right if over-powered.

PT Woods
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SDDGA (http://www.sddga.com)

I wasn't over powering it. I was throwing it on a hole that is only 289 ft. and downhill. It plays more like 250, so no need to over power it. But it was just an observation.

Did I get the only overstable Torque? Mine says "Torq"!

My first throw was about 380ft with the green on a 6ft plateau. Thrown with the slightest bit of hyzer, it flipped up and flew dead flat and straight and faded hard at the end.

It was the second throw on #3 at Toboggan, I threw it 60ft past the basket. (for those of you who know the course.)

Just want to give everyone a chance to get the 2FR Buzzz, Players Cup fundraiser disc. They have been selling like crazy but there are still some available. You can get them by visiting Sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com) or Sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) . Not only are you getting a great disc to throw or hang on to but also you're supporting a PDGA Major event like none other. We are raising the bar in Crystal River, FL and I look forward to seeing everyone out there!

Hi Keith,

Do you think that you will come out with an 'ESP Storm' next year. I have been loving the new ESP stuff that has been coming out this year and I hope to soon replace my very underated Z-Storm with an ESP!!!

If it's not in the works, could you push it for me and Daymon?!?!?!?

Also wondering if we'll see ESP Challengers soon. Ahhhh, I can picture the upshots now.....

Thanks,

-- ABee

Hey Anthony,

No plans for an ESP Storm, the Elite-Z's don't have much of a following as it is. Pretty surprising considering how great a disc the Storm is.

Don't have the Challenger in the ESP schedule right now, but I can pretty safely say you'll see that before a Storm.

I think you guys should start running ESP Challengers STAT! Hot seller for sure. Maybe in time for the Memorial?

I have to say I love my Z-Storm!

I think you guys should start running ESP Challengers STAT! Hot seller for sure. Maybe in time for the Memorial?



Agreed, Challenger should definitely be next on the list for ESP plastic, followed by the XL, Tracker and Rattler.

Agreed, Challenger should definitely be next on the list for ESP plastic, followed by the XL, Tracker and Rattler .



Someone buy this guy a beer. That's a great idea.

I'll buy him a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale if he makes it to the Players Cup!

How about a Comet in ESP....... That would be sweet!

How about a Comet in ESP....... That would be sweet!



Absolutely!

How about a Comet in ESP....... That would be sweet!



Absolutely!



I'd like to have one of those...I won't worry so much about losing my Z comets then. Plus, maybe the esp comet would beat in a bit, because the Z comets fly the same way as when I got them over a year ago.

I have a buzzz related question.

Are all Z buzzzes with "WASP" on the inner rim instead of "BUZZZ" first runs? i have a couple of stamped first runs, but i also have a couple of tournament stamped Z buzzzes that have the "WASP" inner rim stamp. are these first runs, or were there multiple runs made from the same first mold?

also i have a stamped first run X buzzz, and it has the "BUZZZ" on the inner rim, and i have a normal X buzzz and it has the "WASP" on the inner rim. i cant figure that one out. did discraft go back to the original mold after doing X buzzzes for a while?

thanks...

Hi Brian,

Only "1st Run" stamped Elite-Z Buzzzes are from the first run. Any custom stamped ones with Wasp on the inner rim would be through approximately the 3rd or 4th run. We then made the Buzzz inner rim.

For Elite-X Buzzzes, we first released them as a Limited Edition holiday disc and I believe that those had the Wasp inner rim. There was a run of Elite-X Buzzzes that had the Wasp inner rim also, but that was only because they mistook the Buzzz bottom for the Wasp bottom and thought they were running Wasps. I don't remember ever having the Elite-X Buzzz printed with "1st Run" on them.

I don't remember ever having the Elite-X Buzzz printed with "1st Run" on them.



I have some DGLO X Buzzzes that say first run on the stamp. Not sure if they say wasp or buzzz on them though.

Hey Brad,

You are right. I should have said I don't remember any stock Elite-X Buzzzes stamped with "1st Run".

I was wondering what are the next discs in line for ESP plastic?

Hopefully the Flash the XL and the Challenger!!!

Dont they already have the Flash in ESP?

Hopefully the Flash the XL and the Challenger!!!



I believe an ESP challenger could replace a wizard for my approach shots. That'd be a sick disc. The D Challengers are just a touch less stable, and the Cryztal just don't have the feel I want. I suspect ESP would be perfect.

"I don't remember ever having the Elite-X Buzzz printed with "1st Run" on them. "

it was from the tournament stamp DGLO i think. there were like 500 of them i think, all dyed and mail ordered from sunking or somewhere. what i dont get is that they're marked first run, but they have buzzz on the inner rim.

i

Dont they already have the Flash in ESP?



They did a quick test run but nothing in full production............But let me tell you the test run of the ESP Flash was AMAZING!!!

Just want to give everyone a chance to get the 2FR Buzzz, Players Cup fundraiser disc. They have been selling like crazy but there are still some available. You can get them by visiting Sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com) or Sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) . Not only are you getting a great disc to throw or hang on to but also you're supporting a PDGA Major event like none other. We are raising the bar in Crystal River, FL and I look forward to seeing everyone out there!



I just bought five. Anyone else notice that the Blue are more stable then the Green.

When can I expect a production run of ESP Flashes??? I really really need more of these!!!

Keith,

Now that Steve Mills has won the USADGC can we expect a signature disc with his name on it?

Not yet but he is now sponsored. (http://www.discraft.com/team_mills.html)

still waiting on esp challengers and flashes :)

What would be a good roller disc from discraft? I used to use a STAR Sidewinder, but now it's extremely beat up and just doesn't roll like it used to. I bought a Z Xpress with the intentions of it as a roller, but it's got a much more stable flight than the X one's I have thrown. Not sure if that's a fluke or what, but I like it. So then I've been using the slipstream for rollers, but that GT just annoys the #$*&$! out of me. So what would everyone recommend as a replacement for that STAR Sidewinder? Or is there any chances of a disc with about the slipstream stability without the GT?

Hi Jake,

No signature discs until a Pro Worlds win, then we can talk.

Hey Justin,

ESP Flashes and Challengers are still not on the production schedule. We might be done adding current models to ESP for the year, but as always, I never say never.

For a good roller disc you may want to try the Elite-Z Spectra, a number of the team guys were using it at the 2005 Players Cup for a big sky roller. An Elite-X Crush also works well if you have a good ammount of snap on your throw.

Thanks Keith!

Never thrown a star sidewinder, but...
I use beat-up X Wildcats for my rollers, and I have rolled a few over 700' at the Chicago Fly18 course.
Haven't thrown one of these either, but maybe a Spectra?

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2nd First Run Clear ColorMax Buzzz (http://www.sportdiscs.com/catalog/item/3720879/3811756.htm), very nice and very limited.

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Get yours before they are gone and help support a one of a kind PDGA Major.

What would be a good roller disc from discraft?



Mr. Cheese,

I am a Discraft only thrower and I use an X-Tracker for my roller shots. I have to beat them in a little, but in the end it works nicely. :cool:

still waiting on esp challengers and flashes :)

What would be a good roller disc from discraft? I used to use a STAR Sidewinder, but now it's extremely beat up and just doesn't roll like it used to. I bought a Z Xpress with the intentions of it as a roller, but it's got a much more stable flight than the X one's I have thrown. Not sure if that's a fluke or what, but I like it. So then I've been using the slipstream for rollers, but that GT just annoys the #$*&$! out of me. So what would everyone recommend as a replacement for that STAR Sidewinder? Or is there any chances of a disc with about the slipstream stability without the GT?



I used to roll with broken in Z Wildcats and I now roll with new Z Flashes!!! An XL is also a great roller especially if you beat in the X Version!!!

For long rollers, Beat up Z-Crush, , XL, X XS, X Xpress all work well. That would be the order of stability also. The more smoke you can put on a disc, the more stable you may want it for rolling. I would think that anyone who can hit 300 feet, could roll the Xpress with good results.

For a short smooth roller, Stratus is hard to beat.

What about an ESP Stratus? Now that might be a cool toy.

I must be a big sissy, because I have a Z-Spectra that I have thrown a few times here and there and it wouldn't even turn over for me.

my fav discraft roller is a broken in X avenger

I use a beat z 167 flash for backhand sky rollers. I don't throw any other sort of backhand roller. I use a 169 Z Flick for forehand rollers, all varieties, or sometimes a ESP Predator if I need wild turn or something else special.

I have a stable Breeze and it is a great disc. I don't think its stability is intentional, but in my opinion it fits better in your lineup that the really flippy Breeze. It still turns when thrown flat or slight hyzer, but it will come back at the very end. Add a little more hyzer and it is on a laser line. I know at least a couple of your TEAM members that would love to get their hands on my Breeze.

I know at least a couple of your TEAM members that would love to get their hands on my Breeze.



Moderator, can we get some censorship here, please! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

Keith - how about an Elite Z Marauder?

I know you used to call it a driver. But my Pro D models in 181g are outstanding midranges because they are straighter than anything out there - until they get beat. Having one in Z that doesn't get beat would be AWESOME. It would be your next big thing like the Buzzz, or maybe I'm just crazy. Just throw some Z plastic in the Marauder mold and send out a few. I'll take three in orange, max weight :D.

Hey Super,

If only it were that easy. Funny enough there was a little chatter around the shop about an Elite-Z Marauder but it may not work because of the size and how heavy the Z plastic runs. Also, not too much interest in the Marauder in quite some time. We'll just have to wait and see though.

Keith,
1. Is there any possibility of a Tsunami in ESP-like plastic? I love my ESP Preds but they are OVERSTABLE-PIGS and aren't seem to be beating in as fast as I thought.
2. How far away is an ESP Tracker?
3. Is the Z-Tracker only a fundraiser disc? Or is it part of your standard Z line-up?
Thanks,
Colin

that is funny, as the tsunami was the 1st driver to be made in a star/esp -type plastic. the "fusion" plastic that it is made in came out way before star and esp, and in my opinion is better than both, as it gives me better grip and is as durable.

Amen. Love my Tsunami - my best 'get-out-of-trouble' flick disc & moderate headwind driver. :cool:

Hey Keith

Is anyone at the factory this week??? I need to stop by and pick up some last minute things before coming to the Players Cup!!!

Have you tried calling them?

that is funny, as the tsunami was the 1st driver to be made in a star/esp -type plastic. the "fusion" plastic that it is made in came out way before star and esp, and in my opinion is better than both, as it gives me better grip and is as durable.


The Tsunami in my bag and both my back-ups are Sparkle-Z plastic. Is the "fusion" plastic the opaque stuff with the circular stamp? I thought that was like elite X-plastic? If not, that is great news.

that is funny, as the tsunami was the 1st driver to be made in a star/esp -type plastic. the "fusion" plastic that it is made in came out way before star and esp, and in my opinion is better than both, as it gives me better grip and is as durable.


The Tsunami in my bag and both my back-ups are Sparkle-Z plastic. Is the "fusion" plastic the opaque stuff with the circular stamp? I thought that was like elite X-plastic? If not, that is great news.



That's the plastic. I think it's called Pro-Line though now.
I have a 172 unthrown yellow and a 172 thrown red(8/10) if you're interested.

Hey Super,

If only it were that easy. Funny enough there was a little chatter around the shop about an Elite-Z Marauder but it may not work because of the size and how heavy the Z plastic runs. Also, not too much interest in the Marauder in quite some time. We'll just have to wait and see though.



C'mon Keith, turn that shop chatter into reality ;). A 190g Z Maruader would be like thrwoing a cannonball - nothing would stop it's dead-straight flight to the basket! Players are inherently opposed to old stuff, unless it's called "Classic" "Rare" or "Vintage". In fact, call it the Elite Z Vintage, "a durable remake of the Classic Marauder".

How much would the Marauder weigh if molded with Z? How much more dense is Z? What is the weight difference per cubic dimension of Z vs. D? Would decreasing the diameter of the marauder to keep weight managable drastically alter the flight characteristics?

Hey Keith saw this post over in the Gateway section

Well we have only been asked about a thousand times over the past 6 years.
Tonight we tried again to make the Demon in the "E" Evolution plastic.

Using some of the processing technologies we aquired back at a trade show in march we finally got a chance to prototype an additive that reduces the weight in the Urethane.
It worked like a charm and now we are running red, pink E demons from 168-175 E Illusuions by the end of the week!!!!!!!

Any possibility of talking to Dave about this and getting is a ESP or Z Drone???

Please please please check in to it

Peace
Scott

An ESP Drone would Rock!!!

PT Woods
# 20431
SDDGA (http://www.sddga.com)

An ESP Drone would Rock!!!



Mmmmm ESP Drone....mmmmmm

My question is why are the 1/2 Crush Flicks so much better (more stable) than the newer Flicks?

I disagree! I think that the new Flicks are more overstable then the first runs. The only first runs I had were pink. They would flip a little in the middle of the flight, then try to come back at the end.


I love the Flick! It is the best 2 finger disc on the planet. You can flat crank on that sucker, and don't have to worry.

I agree with Smitty, the newer Flicks are much better...great 2 finger disc.

I disagree! I think that the new Flicks are more overstable then the first runs. The only first runs I had were pink. They would flip a little in the middle of the flight, then try to come back at the end.



I love the Flick! It is the best 2 finger disc on the planet. You can flat crank on that sucker, and don't have to worry.



The yellow and white early runs were really stable. Orange, blue, pink not so much. All of the Flicks I've purchased since have been like the orange ones.

And I agree, the Flick is the best power forehand disc ever made. I don't even think it's close.

Test post to see if I can delete the extra pages on the thread.

Test post to see if I can delete the extra pages on the thread.



If you can pull that off, you'd be my hero.

Test post to see if I can delete the extra pages on the thread.



If you can pull that off, you'd be my hero.



So...you're saying Steve Dodge and John Maiuro are one in the same??!!?? :confused:

:p

The real My_Hero would fix the problem by telling everyone to change their settings to show 99 posts. No more blank pages once the setting is changed. :D

I have to say I love my Z-Storm!



Everyone is missing the boat on the Z Storm. I dropped the Roc for the Storm after winning one in a tourney and have never looked back.

Little hint...the Squall in red is even better... The Z Storms have just been sitting around and are used for practice since snagging the two Squalls.

Hey Keith, how about a big bead Squall or Storm for a new overstable windy weather mid to replace the Torque? :D

Hey Citysmasher,

The Torque will be back in 2007 flying like it was meant to. More overstable than a Wasp with more glide than a Drone. No plans to mess with the Storm or Squall.

Be sure and check out the newest Pro Clinic video, Making Long Putts here (http://www.discraft.com/resources.html).

I have to say I love my Z-Storm!



Everyone is missing the boat on the Z Storm. I dropped the Roc for the Storm after winning one in a tourney and have never looked back.

The only thing better than a Z-Storm is a 150 Z-Storm for your wife or girlfriend. The Waterford Junior Girls Club loves that disc.

Hey Citysmasher,

The Torque will be back in 2007 flying like it was meant to. More overstable than a Wasp with more glide than a Drone. No plans to mess with the Storm or Squall.



As far as I can tell an uber overstable mid that can be formed in all of the DC plastics is one of Discrafts big gaping holes, so it sucks the Torque did not pan out.

Never threw a Torque. Not too much fun experimenting in ESP plastic.

I think your line of discs is great. I really like the DGA discs too. Half of my bag is suddenly DGA. Great plastic blend.

Thanks Keith!!!

Big Bead Squall or big nosed Squall (like a Drone type nose) would be cool though....

Hey Citysmasher,

The Torque will be back in 2007 flying like it was meant to. More overstable than a Wasp with more glide than a Drone. No plans to mess with the Storm or Squall.

Glad to hear this! I agree with Citysmasher here, a midrange more overstable than the Wasp in premium plastic (ESP and/or Z?) would be a GREAT addition to the Discraft line! I've been all Discraft for a while now and that's the only thing I feel is missing from my bag...

nanook

more overstable than the Wasp in premium plastic (ESP and/or Z?)



More stable than a Z-Wasp? :confused:

You guys must not have the right Wasps...

Mine are special-ed stable! :)

I have gone through several drones and each of them now fly like a nicely tuned roc.

I was just wondering why Ron Russell and Cam Todd aren't listed on your team members page any more? Are they no longer part of team discraft (and I was kinda wondering what Ron typically carries in his bag)?

The VPO acouple of years ago he used the cyclone(bottom line plastic) on almost every hole. And he was using the Flash for longer shots.

cam todd no longer plays disc golf competively

When I saw him play at the 04 worlds...he threw a lot of XL's, Comets and Cyclones. I want to say that I even saw him throwing a predator at one point too.

Ron is the master of the Comet.

I have gone through several drones and each of them now fly like a nicely tuned roc.



Agreed...in fact the D Drone would break in too good. It would break into be very stable and fade very little, but it would lose its headwind ability.

I was sad to head the Drone could not be made in X plastic. That would have been #$*&$!.

What would be cool is a Spectra top with a Tsunami bottom.

Big domey top with an overstable wing, kind of like a Teebird on steroids.

last time i saw Ron Russell play in person (besides this past summer in florida when I got to chat with him) Was at the 2003 NY States.. He only had 5-6 discs in his bag for the entire tournament and I'm pretty sure the only discs were Cyclones, comets, and magnets all in oldschool plastic.

I'm sure a lot has changed since then though.

-Scott Lewis

At the Texas 10 Finals in 2003 in Lewisville, Ron didn't even carry a bag. He had a chair, a towel, a Cyclone, a Comet, and a Magnet.

more overstable than the Wasp in premium plastic (ESP and/or Z?)



More stable than a Z-Wasp? :confused:

You guys must not have the right Wasps...

Mine are special-ed stable! :)


Not much tree cover here on the Front Range of Colorado. When the wind gets ripping out here, even Z-Wasps can flip for me. And that's even considering the altitude effect! I'm not saying I'd use a more overstable mid-range for every shot, but it would be darn nice to fall back on for those heavy headwinds...

nanook

Hey keith, on paper what are the specific differences between the reaper and predator??

my esp wasp has turned in to a very straight wasp that will flip in the wind. my z- wasp that has been thrown for over 2 years still going strong. i love the esp but the one i had before did not break in like this one has. has this happened to anyone else?

more overstable than the Wasp in premium plastic (ESP and/or Z?)



More stable than a Z-Wasp? :confused:

You guys must not have the right Wasps...

Mine are special-ed stable! :)


Not much tree cover here on the Front Range of Colorado. When the wind gets ripping out here, even Z-Wasps can flip for me. And that's even considering the altitude effect! I'm not saying I'd use a more overstable mid-range for every shot, but it would be darn nice to fall back on for those heavy headwinds...

nanook



In febuary, I tried to use a new z predator for a 50-100 foot flick upshot and had it turn over into a roller and ended up around 300 feet from the basket. There is just a point that no amount of overstability can compensate for the fact that the wind can move 180 grams of plastic.

last time i saw Ron Russell play in person (besides this past summer in florida when I got to chat with him) Was at the 2003 NY States.. He only had 5-6 discs in his bag for the entire tournament and I'm pretty sure the only discs were Cyclones, comets, and magnets all in oldschool plastic.

I'm sure a lot has changed since then though.

-Scott Lewis



Speaking of old school plastic, does anyone have proto/ first run hard magnets they want to part with? Does anyone else think the plastic for D magnets is getting softer?

Speaking of old school plastic, does anyone have proto/ first run hard magnets they want to part with? Does anyone else think the plastic for D magnets is getting softer?



I agree, although I just got some huk lab stamped magnets that are stiff. The new purple/blue ones I have chunk out super fast.

I also think my older magnets have a flat top. All of the new ones have much more dome. Anyone else notice that?

Hi Discboomer,

The rim width is the biggest difference between the Reaper and the Predator. The Reaper would have a smaller rim width similar to the XL and XS while the Predators is wider like the Wildcat and Avenger.

Are the Crystal Avengers more over stable, the same or more understable than the normal production Z's?

more overstable than the Wasp in premium plastic (ESP and/or Z?)



More stable than a Z-Wasp? :confused:

You guys must not have the right Wasps...

Mine are special-ed stable! :)


Not much tree cover here on the Front Range of Colorado. When the wind gets ripping out here, even Z-Wasps can flip for me. And that's even considering the altitude effect! I'm not saying I'd use a more overstable mid-range for every shot, but it would be darn nice to fall back on for those heavy headwinds...

nanook



Haha! Your wind is pretty treacherous in CO indeed. I played 'Bird's Nest' about 8 times when I was staying in Denver last Dec/Jan and it got brutal out there.

In Michigan I have a policy that I will never avoid discing because of wind and I generally make a point to play when it is really windy to get the experience.

With that said, I showed up at bird's nest 1 windy afternoon and the winds had to be at least 80mph and possibly even 100mph (I have played in 70mph wind before which was mild comparitively speaking). I sat in my car for @ 10min trying to decide if it was possible to play. I decided to get out and try to hold a disc and do a runup to see if it was possible. Answer: NO. I could not even stand without leaning into the wind at a 50 degree angle (no exageration). I could not even hold the disc at a throwing angle without it being nearly ripped out of my hand.

What happens next? A huge dust/rock clound engulfs the parking lot area pelting me and forcing me to retreat to my car. I eventually left after sitting there for another 20 min in disbelief.

Keith...when will the flash be publicly available in the ESP plastic? And will it every be produced in elite-x?

Thanks
JT

last time i saw Ron Russell play in person (besides this past summer in florida when I got to chat with him) Was at the 2003 NY States.. He only had 5-6 discs in his bag for the entire tournament and I'm pretty sure the only discs were Cyclones, comets, and magnets all in oldschool plastic.

I'm sure a lot has changed since then though.

-Scott Lewis



Speaking of old school plastic, does anyone have proto/ first run hard magnets they want to part with? Does anyone else think the plastic for D magnets is getting softer?



PM me. I've got a brand new super old magnet. Stiff as a board.

I just got a 176 blue ESP Wasp that, first throw, flipped up from a hyzer and went straight. It finished with a little fade. Very little overstability. Needless to say it didn't stay in the bag. I have a Sunking stamped Cryztal Wasp that is nice and overstable. Also about the D plastic being softer, I have a newer Magnet that is pretty soft compared to some older ones I have. I kind of like it because the soft Magnets are too 'floppy' for me.

Hi Poisonelf,

The CryZtal Avenger (http://www.sportdiscs.com/catalog/item/1688761/3981283.htm) is much more overstable than the Elite-Z version is the feedback I've received.

Also about the D plastic being softer, I have a newer Magnet that is pretty soft compared to some older ones I have. I kind of like it because the soft Magnets are too 'floppy' for me.

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I agree that some of the soft magnets are floppy, I got my first one from TG 3 years ago, when I started playing. It is more firm with the trademark on the bottom vs. on the rim. Now, most of the ones I see in stores are pretty floppy. The D are becoming more like stiff soft magnets. I love magnets and wish I could get my hands on more old school ones.

Keith...when will the flash be publicly available in the ESP plastic? And will it every be produced in elite-x?

Thanks
JT



Hi JT,

You can find the First Run ESP Flash (http://www.sportdiscs.com/catalog/item/1688761/3981323.htm) right now and support the 2007 DGLO! Not sure when we will release them as a stock item. No plans right now of running the Flash in Elite-X.

Any chance of an Elite-X Surge? Or ESP Comet?

Haha! Your wind is pretty treacherous in CO indeed. I played 'Bird's Nest' about 8 times when I was staying in Denver last Dec/Jan and it got brutal out there.

In Michigan I have a policy that I will never avoid discing because of wind and I generally make a point to play when it is really windy to get the experience.

With that said, I showed up at bird's nest 1 windy afternoon and the winds had to be at least 80mph and possibly even 100mph (I have played in 70mph wind before which was mild comparitively speaking). I sat in my car for @ 10min trying to decide if it was possible to play. I decided to get out and try to hold a disc and do a runup to see if it was possible. Answer: NO. I could not even stand without leaning into the wind at a 50 degree angle (no exageration). I could not even hold the disc at a throwing angle without it being nearly ripped out of my hand.

What happens next? A huge dust/rock clound engulfs the parking lot area pelting me and forcing me to retreat to my car. I eventually left after sitting there for another 20 min in disbelief.

Yeah, Bird's Nest can get some pretty good gusts. So can White Hawk (Westminster City Park) which is also up on that end of town. I played a tag match there in 50-60mph winds where a quality player took a 6-penalty stroke, 15 on hole 8. After watching his drive I threw tentatively and laid up for 3. How many times can you gain 12 strokes on a guy on one hole?!? The wind carried him to the water beyond the hole, then he proceeded to take FIVE shots that the wind flipped up on edge, rolled uphill (!!!), over the path, and into the water again!

But if you want really crazy wind stories, talk to people that played the final round of the Steel City Shootout in Pueblo a couple of years ago. Sustained BLIZZARD level winds and driving snow! I watched a friend throw a drive that went 100' or so down the fairway then proceeded to lift in the wind and ended up 150'-200' behind the teebox (he saved a 4!). Rumor has it that one of the top pros took a score of 20 on one hole, without any penalty strokes! Ouch!

nanook

Keith-


Not a question.

Just wanted to take a second tell you the Super Color Disc Gallery on the Discraft web-site looks great!

Smitty

hey everyone,
Is the Pro D Buzzz and X-Buzzz made in the flat top mold like the midnight and first run Z or are the d and X made in the domier mold used in the regular z-buzzz?

I only throw the first run and midnight because i enjoy the feel and dome of the disc. Found a few regular Zbuzzz's that were hot stamped and flattened out, but otherwise I don't care for the regular production run much.

-Scott Lewis

P.S. Anyone know the list of colors available for D and X discs?? wondering if any Hot pinks are in there..

Is there a chance that old Elite plastic (Cyclone plastic) could ever return?

This was the best all around disc plastic ever, especially for fairway drivers, mids and putters.

Why the switch???

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!

hey everyone,
Is the Pro D Buzzz and X-Buzzz made in the flat top mold like the midnight and first run Z or are the d and X made in the domier mold used in the regular z-buzzz?

I only throw the first run and midnight because i enjoy the feel and dome of the disc. Found a few regular Zbuzzz's that were hot stamped and flattened out, but otherwise I don't care for the regular production run much.

-Scott Lewis

P.S. Anyone know the list of colors available for D and X discs?? wondering if any Hot pinks are in there..



They are the domier type. Haven't seen any hot pink.

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!



Hmmm that sounds pretty cool daemon. What ones were you throwing , white eSp volcano stamp for GLO? interesting, veeeerry interesting........

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!



Hmmm that sounds pretty cool daemon. What ones were you throwing , white eSp volcano stamp for GLO? interesting, veeeerry interesting........



Id have to agree that the ESP Flash is the best long distance driver and roller that I have ever thrown!!! I will be picking up atleast 5 the 1st chance I get!!! This is pretty much the only disc I have added to my bag for the last year and a half!!! I have messed with discs on and off in the bag but this one has found a long term place!!!

Thanks again Discraft for another stroke saving disc!!!

hey everyone,
Is the Pro D Buzzz and X-Buzzz made in the flat top mold like the midnight and first run Z or are the d and X made in the domier mold used in the regular z-buzzz?

I only throw the first run and midnight because i enjoy the feel and dome of the disc. Found a few regular Zbuzzz's that were hot stamped and flattened out, but otherwise I don't care for the regular production run much.

-Scott Lewis

P.S. Anyone know the list of colors available for D and X discs?? wondering if any Hot pinks are in there..



Hello Scott,

Only one mold for the Buzzz, unless you count the modified Wasp mold from the first runs. The only differences in the tops are the way they run in the different plastics.

No hot pink ones back there.

Any chance of an Elite-X Surge? Or ESP Comet?



Hi DC,

No plans for either of those right now.

Is there a chance that old Elite plastic (Cyclone plastic) could ever return?

This was the best all around disc plastic ever, especially for fairway drivers, mids and putters.

Why the switch???



Hi City,

The Cyclone plastic was our Tournament Pro plastic and was earlier than the Elite Pro. The Elite Pro was the next step in more durable plastics from the Tournament Pro line and debuted in 98' with the X2 and XL.

We changed to the current Elite-X line after introducing Elite-Z in 2001 and added some of that plastic to make the Elite Pro line even more durable. That is also when we moved the Cyclone and all of the Tournament Pro line discs into what we then named Elite-X plastic.

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!



Hey Daemon,

Glad you like it. The response has been great and the DGLO discs are selling very well. Look for the ESP Flash to be a stock production item at some point in 2007.

Is there a chance that old Elite plastic (Cyclone plastic) could ever return?

This was the best all around disc plastic ever, especially for fairway drivers, mids and putters.

Why the switch???



Hi City,

The Cyclone plastic was our Tournament Pro plastic and was earlier than the Elite Pro. The Elite Pro was the next step in more durable plastics from the Tournament Pro line and debuted in 98' with the X2 and XL.



The Tournament Pro was my favorite, both shiny and chalky. Not really a super durable plastic (like modern Z or ESP) but more like the Cadillac of baseline plastic. Pretty **** tough, tacky, chalky, and long. Great friggin plastic.

I wish this would come back instead of D...but we can all wish, right?

Hmmm that sounds pretty cool daemon. What ones were you throwing , white eSp volcano stamp for GLO? interesting, veeeerry interesting........



A green no-stamp, I haven't thrown any of the DGLO whites. But I do love the monster/toboggan stamp.

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!



I tried to throw it twice in a huge tailwind and both shots it flipped and rolled :confused:

I am strange though... :D

KEITH! THis is not a question, more of a public service announcement. I have thrown the flashes in Z, and I never threw one that I liked.

That being said, the ESP Flash is the best longest flying tailwind disc I have ever thrown.

I was driving across a soccer field in a tailwind yesterday, trying to score goals from behind the other net. Directly after I ripped my star wraith, which was a really good shot for me, I threw the ESP Flash. Where my wraith had died out, not even inside the penalty box, my ESP Flash ripped into the net, 5-10' high, still dead straight and going FAST. It may have been my longest flat-ground drive ever, had it not hit the soccer net (where I was aiming) DEAD CENTER!
Thanks!



I tried to throw it twice in a huge tailwind and both shots it flipped and rolled :confused:

I am strange though... :D



bee you flip really stable discs so im not suprised one bit. I really never liked the z flash at all, but with all the good reviews of the esp i might have to give it a try

I've always liked the "ice" z-flashes. They are great hyzer flip discs right out of the box.. Pure money. Too bad they are almost always saved for dyeing.

"Ice" Z as you call it is the best in any mold.
I've had Wasp's, Wildcat's, XS's and now Avenger's. They are pretty much tourney only releases, but if you order your own stamp you can get them. When I find them, I grab a bunch.
The plastic is more durable and better feeling than any other.

i have two first run z flashes used still in good shape if any one is interested

blue
orange both in the 170's

willing to trade

Are you looking for anything specific in trade for the blue Flash?

Cmon fellas, traders row.

KEITH--
Any plans to run the SE Buzzz or any SE discs next year? Also, is the SE Buzzz legal for use in a PDGA tourny?

Sorry, I just really like the blue Flashes. I've got a question for Keith, are the Spectras going to be made in ESP? I really like that disc, I just wish it was a little more durable. My favorite ESP disc (until I get an ESP Flash) is the Surge. Fast, grippy, overstable and tough!! I still like the X and Z plastic for mids though.

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Cmon fellas, traders row.

lol you are right sry!

Cmon fellas, traders row.

KEITH--
Any plans to run the SE Buzzz or any SE discs next year? Also, is the SE Buzzz legal for use in a PDGA tourny?



what is this se buzzz that you speak of son??

No sweat. I usually have to grab any Discraft discs I see or hear about. I am just psyched to see Discraft finally making its way to my neck of the woods. Play It Again is starting to carry the D.

I was visiting the enemy camp yesterday and ran across this. Personal INNColor (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/personalinncolor.html)

So Keith, any chance of a counter attack for those of us that prefer the Darkside? I'd love to get some custom Supercolor Challengers...

The Torque will be back in 2007 flying like it was meant to. More overstable than a Wasp with more glide than a Drone.


Look for the ESP Flash to be a stock production item at some point in 2007.

Keith, I like the sound of this! Any feel for when in 2007? These are two ESP discs that I will be eagerly awaiting. Normally I throw all Z-plastic, but I have been experimenting with a (nearly) all-ESP bag and I am loving it! Any plans for weight ranges and colors for the 2007 Flash and Torque stock runs? I love the bright colors that you have been turning out in the ESP plastic. I'd love to see these discs in a vibrant, ESP purple if possible!

nanook

any chance of Trackers going to ESP please!!!!!!!

One Disc Challenge?

Keith, do these run just like the Ace Race? Are they scheduled for spring? Do you have a disc in mind (like a Z Maruader :D)?

I'd love to run one of these too. Myself and the players had a great time at the 2006 Winter Park Ace Race. If they are not advertised on the webpage like the Ace Race was, please PM me and I'll definitley sign up for one.

One Disc Challenge?

Keith, do these run just like the Ace Race? Are they scheduled for spring? Do you have a disc in mind (like a Z Maruader :D)?

I'd love to run one of these too. Myself and the players had a great time at the 2006 Winter Park Ace Race. If they are not advertised on the webpage like the Ace Race was, please PM me and I'll definitley sign up for one.



or ESP trackers!!!!! :D

One Disc Challenge?

Keith, do these run just like the Ace Race? Are they scheduled for spring? Do you have a disc in mind (like a Z Maruader :D)?




The one disc is challenge is not connected with any ace races. The Ann Arbor Area club gets proto discs to test every spring, we play a full league round with just 1 disc. Previous 1-disc challenge discs include: Ultra Grip Z-Surge, X Avenger, CryZtal 150gram XS, Squall/glide proto, predator.

KEITH--
Any plans to run the SE Buzzz or any SE discs next year? Also, is the SE Buzzz legal for use in a PDGA tourny?



Also, ESP tracker would be a hot seller.

I didn't mean was it run just like an Ace Race, or even connected. I mean - can I sign up to run a 1 Disc Challenge, just like I signed up to run an Ace Race. I'm aware the concepts are different. For some reason I thought these were open to everyone to run in the spring (similar to an ace race that could be run in the fall). I've seen many discussions about clubs all over running 1 disc challenges, but I want to know how to sign up and also run one.

"Ice" Z as you call it is the best in any mold.
I've had Wasp's, Wildcat's, XS's and now Avenger's. They are pretty much tourney only releases, but if you order your own stamp you can get them. When I find them, I grab a bunch.
The plastic is more durable and better feeling than any other.


I have a clear (tye dyed) 174 Z Crush that is the best piece of discraft plastic i've ever thrown... very predictable. and it can be thrown sidearm very consistently too and gets plenty of distance. I have not been as happy with other (colored) versions of z plastic. It is also the most scuff resistant and durable plastic i've ever thrown, period.

Keith M,

Need some help, if you could. Are there any yellow, ESP Crushes in existence? If so, are any of them in the 167-169g range? I'd appreciate the info, 'cause if they DON'T exist, I'll stop looking for them!

nanook

?

I was visiting the enemy camp yesterday and ran across this. Personal INNColor (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/personalinncolor.html)

So Keith, any chance of a counter attack for those of us that prefer the Darkside? I'd love to get some custom Supercolor Challengers...



Hi Ferret,

We have started working on the possibility of this. We should have it worked out in early 2007.

The Torque will be back in 2007 flying like it was meant to. More overstable than a Wasp with more glide than a Drone.


Look for the ESP Flash to be a stock production item at some point in 2007.

Keith, I like the sound of this! Any feel for when in 2007? These are two ESP discs that I will be eagerly awaiting. Normally I throw all Z-plastic, but I have been experimenting with a (nearly) all-ESP bag and I am loving it! Any plans for weight ranges and colors for the 2007 Flash and Torque stock runs? I love the bright colors that you have been turning out in the ESP plastic. I'd love to see these discs in a vibrant, ESP purple if possible!

nanook



Hi Nanook,

Probably 1st quarter 2007 for the ESP Flash.

Haven't seen any yellow ESP Crushes, at least there are none back there now.

any chance of Trackers going to ESP please!!!!!!!



Hey Clizark,

There is a very good chance of seeing these before the Memorial (http://memorial2007.disqman.com/).

One Disc Challenge?

Keith, do these run just like the Ace Race? Are they scheduled for spring? Do you have a disc in mind (like a Z Maruader :D)?

I'd love to run one of these too. Myself and the players had a great time at the 2006 Winter Park Ace Race. If they are not advertised on the webpage like the Ace Race was, please PM me and I'll definitley sign up for one.



Hi Super,

The One Disc Challenge is an exclusive event for the A3 club that we host. No plans on making it a worldwide event like the Ace Race. We will be putting even more effort into the 2007 Int'l. One Disc Ace Race and we don't want to stretch ourselves too thin.

KEITH--
Any plans to run the SE Buzzz or any SE discs next year in regular production? Also, is the SE Buzzz legal for use in a PDGA tourny?

KEITH--
Any plans to run the SE Buzzz or any SE discs next year in regular production? Also, is the SE Buzzz legal for use in a PDGA tourny?





Hey D,

We will be bringing out the Avenger-SS (Super Straight) in the first quarter of 2007. Not sure about the Buzzz right now. They are both legal for tournament play.

Thanks Keith!

The SS Buzzz is pretty sweet. It's like a nice beat in d-buzzz in Z-plastic. I haven't tried the avenger, but I can't see it replacing my x-tracker, I love those for turnovers. THat's too bad the ss buzzz is legal, that means I have to stop hassling Bob about throwing an illegal disc.

Keith,
what kind of plastic were the Signature series made of (Scott Stokely Xclone resp X2, Juliana Bower Stratus resp XL and Ron Russel Comet resp Cyclone)?
Tournament Pro or Elite Pro or X?

does it fly like an esp buzzz? that would be sweet !!!

Keith,
what kind of plastic were the Signature series made of (Scott Stokely Xclone resp X2, Juliana Bower Stratus resp XL and Ron Russel Comet resp Cyclone)?
Tournament Pro or Elite Pro or X?



Hi Mf,

That would be the Elite Pro blend only using the natural plastic without color.

The Ron Russell Comets were pretty sweet. You guys should do a run of them again.

First question...why are the Nate Doss Sig. X-Avenger's more domey than the normal run of Avengers? Even my First Run X-Avenger's aren't nearly as domey.

Second question...are the ND Sig. Avenger's more overstable compared to the first run and regular production run Avenger's?

Yo Keith. Check out this geocache in Crystal River known as The Player's Cup Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fbb093bd-89e8-4d61-83f9-5c78e0370457). Hmmm, I wonder who put it there? :D

any chance of Trackers going to ESP please!!!!!!!



Hey Clizark,























There is a very good chance of seeing these before the Memorial (http://memorial2007.disqman.com/).




I love you guys!!!!!

So since demons are being made in E, does this mean drones will be made in E?

This has probably already come up on past posts...but rather than sift through 140+ pages, I thought I would ask it here.

Are there any plans for the Drone to ever come out in Z or ESP plastic?

I was hoping thqt the Torque would fit the bill as a more overstable approach disc (than the Wasp), but unfortunately that didn't pan out. I like the feel of the Drone but can't afford regular replacement of the D plastic.

If there aren't plans for it to be released in Z or ESP, why is this? I have seen nothing but growth in popularity of this disc in these parts.

Thanks.

I seem to recall there was a density issue making this mold far too heavy in any other plastic - other than D.

There is a density issue, but it seems as though Gateway has bridged the gap because they can run the Demon in "E" plastic now. So, I would think that solution could possibly be used for the Drone since they are similar in form.

Keith, in what colors were the Pro D Marauders run?

Have any heavy weight orange ones around the shop? PM me.

whats the most beginner friendly disc ever

whats the most beginner friendly disc ever


If you are asking for a discraft disc...then I would say either a Cyclone or a Stratus.

I dont throw discraft much but i would say an X-press or a good disc to start off with would be a buzz.

http://discraft.com/images/ban_groundhog.jpg
When the hell is groundhog day?

http://discraft.com/images/ban_groundhog.jpg
When the hell is groundhog day?


If you are Bill Murray, every day is Groundhog Day ! :D

Actually, it is February 2nd.

nanook

WTF is a Comet LE?

Limited Edition

I can't wait!!!!!!!! Love my Comets!!!!!!!!

What is the difference between Avenger SS and regular Avenger.

What is the difference between Avenger SS and regular Avenger.



It is the "Super Straight" version of the Avenger. I would say it is kind of like the Teebird and TL.

Anyone else that throws z-predators think the yellow clear ones from a couple years ago were more overstable(more hyser) for RHBH thrower? Let me know if other z-predators fly the same?

I've found the Orange ones to be pretty stabe as well. Also, the new Preds with the new Dcraft logo on them are $$$!!!

The yellow ones and the dark blue are the most stable ones I have thrown.

I'm with Murf looking for the most overstable Predator and not the most stable. If I want stable there's lots of choices -- are the yellow ones still the most over stable?

I need some new ones and want them to be over stable not stable.

-Paul

um yeah....I meant "most overstable"

I've found the blue Z-predators to be plenty overstable for my needs. Although, I haven't seen much difference if at all between colors.

Limited Edition ESP Comet?? I can't wait!!!! :)

http://www.discraft.com/news_0701_flx.html

Wow, this is interesting

I am still looking for an ESP Drone. ;)

I am still looking for an ESP Drone. ;)


Or Z.

I have three blue speckle tsunamis and they aren't quite as fast and a little straighter(slightly less overstable) than my yellow preds.

I am still looking for an ESP Drone. ;)


Or Z.



It comes out too heavy though just like the Demon used to. Dave figured out how to get them down to weight though. :D

http://www.discraft.com/news_0701_flx.html

Wow, this is interesting



"Our initial tests in the Discraft Rotation Lab have been very encouraging," said Discraft president and disc designer Jim Kenner....

Discraft Rotation Lab???

http://www.discraft.com/news_0701_flx.html

Wow, this is interesting



"Our initial tests in the Discraft Rotation Lab have been very encouraging," said Discraft president and disc designer Jim Kenner....

Discraft Rotation Lab???



Three guys.
Twelve beers.
Fourteen discs.
Two soccer fields.

One dream.

:D

http://www.discraft.com/news_0701_flx.html

Wow, this is interesting



"Our initial tests in the Discraft Rotation Lab have been very encouraging," said Discraft president and disc designer Jim Kenner....

Discraft Rotation Lab???



It's an office chair. If you can spin in it for 15 minutes, while holding the disc without throwing up, the disc is good. ;)
20 minutes � with a beer � it goes into immediate production.

http://www.discraft.com/news_0701_flx.html

Wow, this is interesting



"Our initial tests in the Discraft Rotation Lab have been very encouraging," said Discraft president and disc designer Jim Kenner....

Discraft Rotation Lab???



Keith, I did not ask this to be funny, would you please respond as you have time, even if it was just Jim being cute for marketing reasons. Thanks

Hi Fossil,

Just a fun name for our test squad! These discs have been getting rave reviews. They are already on their way to a number of events.

Get ready for the discs coming out 1/31 at a retailer near you! I think the Elite-X Soft Banger-GT is going to be really hot.

Thanks Keith. I'll be sure to include all the new goodies when I restock the shop for Spring.

Keith,
What's the word about an ESP Comet. I saw a small announcement on discraft.com about an ESP Comet LE. I'm guessing the LE stands for "limited edition". Can you give me anymore info regarding the size of the run, availability, etc.

I'm more than excited!

Hey G-dub,

Only 1000 of these bad boys coming off the machine and they feel and fly great!

Word, can you give me a line on a vendor so I can try to pre-order or something? Feel free to PM me so the whole world doesn't know. :) Can't wait to throw them!

I'm sure all the big guys will have them, Sun King Discs, Gotta Go, Par 72. They will go fast though. The official release date is 1/31 so you shouldn't be able to order till then.

I found the ESP comets to be the same as Z until it lost speed. Then it was more overstable.

I found the ESP comets to be the same as Z until it lost speed. Then it was more overstable.



Interesting..

When we were throwing it in the field the other day I felt like it flew very simillar to my old school d-comets. Maybe a hair more stable but not much. I have never thrown a z-comet though...

I will say the plastic felt a little gummier than my ESP drivers and for the most part, it felt pretty darn good. Why do all the discs that I like have to be limited runs??? :confused:

Well thats funny. Becase I have never thrown a D comet.

the real question is whether the witch doctor will be giving any of these up

I'm not sure if the witch doctor as even allowed to use discs that were manufactured this decade...

ESP Marauder would compliment the ESP Comet VERY WELL. Same perfectly stable flight, bigger diameter, and more glide make it longer than the Comet. I need a more durable Maruader, I keep buying up all the old ones and dying them orange, but I know they won't last.

Just got all my cool new discs in the mail today!!! I will be field testing them tomorrow and hopefully reporting back tomorrow night.........I already like the feel of the FLX plastic though and hope it feels the way I think it will in the cold!!! Not much of a Comet thrower but it feels nice in the ESP!!!

Thanks again Discraft for some quality products!!!

Just got all my cool new discs in the mail today!!! I will be field testing them tomorrow and hopefully reporting back tomorrow night.........I already like the feel of the FLX plastic though and hope it feels the way I think it will in the cold!!! Not much of a Comet thrower but it feels nice in the ESP!!!

Thanks again Discraft for some quality products!!!



Mills, how does that ESP Tracker fly?

Keith, can we expect a FLX Challenger in the near future? I think people would really dig them if the plastic turned out anything like the FLX Buzzz and Surges.

Just got all my cool new discs in the mail today!!! I will be field testing them tomorrow and hopefully reporting back tomorrow night.........I already like the feel of the FLX plastic though and hope it feels the way I think it will in the cold!!! Not much of a Comet thrower but it feels nice in the ESP!!!

Thanks again Discraft for some quality products!!!



Mills, how does that ESP Tracker fly?

Keith, can we expect a FLX Challenger in the near future? I think people would really dig them if the plastic turned out anything like the FLX Buzzz and Surges.



I found the ESP Tracker to be much more Overstable then my Z Trackers!!! Which for me is great because I only use the Tracker for Thumbers and now I will be able to get a little more distance of out them!!!

I guess its pretty sweet though you could put an ESP a Z and an X Tracker in your bag and go from Overstalbe all the way to Flippy with just one mold!!! Which is what I do with my Avengers!!! :D

10 day forecast says it is going to be Sunny on Saturday...

Time to Pre-register at http://www.discgolfclub.org

MPPP is this Saturday in Springfield, IL

Can you Putt? Win Cash...

Think Discraft makes the Best Putter... Come Prove It on DiscGolfTV.com

Well,

Tomorrow is the big release day for the new items rolling out from Discraft. You can find more information on the ESP Avenger-SS (http://www.discraft.com/prod_avengerss_e.html), Tracker (http://www.discraft.com/prod_tracker_e.html) and Comet LE (http://www.discraft.com/prod_comet_e.html) here. Don't forget about the Elite-X Soft Banger-GT (http://www.discraft.com/prod_bangergts_x.html), I think that is going to be one of the hottest putters of 2007!

Get ready for more new items to be rolling out at the end of February, just in time for the Memorial (http://memorial2007.disqman.com/).

I have to tell you I definitely appreciate that Discraft takes the time to update the products on the webpage and add pro feedback about new discs.

The Wraith, on the other hand, according to Innova "is so new our pros haven't gotten feedback to us yet." come on... We want to hear as much as we can about a disc from others. Especially before we buy a mold we haven't tried yet.

Thanks Discraft!

Well,

Tomorrow is the big release day for the new items rolling out from Discraft. You can find more information on the ESP Avenger-SS (http://www.discraft.com/prod_avengerss_e.html), Tracker (http://www.discraft.com/prod_tracker_e.html) and Comet LE (http://www.discraft.com/prod_comet_e.html) here. Don't forget about the Elite-X Soft Banger-GT (http://www.discraft.com/prod_bangergts_x.html), I think that is going to be one of the hottest putters of 2007!

Get ready for more new items to be rolling out at the end of February, just in time for the Memorial (http://memorial2007.disqman.com/).



Will all of these new items be available at the Memorial ?

Any Chance of a ESP Venom?

Hey quickdisc,

We will have all of the new items at the Memorial! Look for custom stamped and ColorMaxed discs starting at check-in on Thursday.

Any Chance of a ESP Venom?



Hey Ted,

No plans on that one right now.

How soft is the SS Banger GT (is it comparable to a Pro Rhyno?)? Also, what line of plastic is this considered as far as pricing goes?

The Banger GT is the first putter I've used that is actually different from all the rest. I love it and it has truly helped the consistency of my putting. Thanks for the revolutionary design and I can't wait to get a soft Banger GT!

The Banger GT is the first putter I've used that is actually different from all the rest. I love it and it has truly helped the consistency of my putting. Thanks for the revolutionary design and I can't wait to get a soft Banger GT!

I said this on another thread, I'll say it again here: How about a FLX Banger GT?!? C'mon Keith, you know it would be one sweet disc! :D:D:D

nanook

An ESP Venom would be off the chain....

Hey keith, I got my esp comets today, are they the flx plastic? They seem really soft. cant wait to throw them! any word whether the green or white is more stable.
The ss buzzes are a dream, better bring extra to the Memorial. I love the way they come out of my hand.
Bring some goodies from the archives, Ive bought every thing on sportdiscs .com already
Gaff
Gaff

How soft is the SS Banger GT (is it comparable to a Pro Rhyno?)? Also, what line of plastic is this considered as far as pricing goes?



Hi Pirate,

It is in the Elite-X line and is comparable in feel to a Soft Challenger or Soft APX. Also there is no SS edge on the Banger-GT.

[/QUOTE]I said this on another thread, I'll say it again here: How about a FLX Banger GT?!? C'mon Keith, you know it would be one sweet disc! :D:D:D

nanook

[/QUOTE]

Hi Nanook,

That may be something we try when we need to run ESP Banger-GT's again.

Hi Pirate,

It is in the Elite-X line and is comparable in feel to a Soft Challenger or Soft APX. Also there is no SS edge on the Banger-GT.



I wrote SS thinking Super Soft, not Super Straight. I might have try one of these out...

Hi Nanook,

That may be something we try when we need to run ESP Banger-GT's again.


I really hope so! I think it would have the potential of being a very versatile, reliable putt/approach disc. I have become a huge fan of the ESP line. I only carry two non-ESP discs now: a Z 150-flick for thumbers and D Banger GT for putting. The FLX discs are proving to be a great addition. I wish you good luck expanding the FLX line to other molds!

nanook