If the disc is really grippy(compared to a current Zwasp) then it is an early run.

I had an early run Zwasp and it was a lot grippier than the zwasps out now.

the 1st run zwasps have the big Z ghost stamp, right?

i got my first true ace with one (two other aces before it were 2nd or 3rd shots off the tee). the wasp ace was the first disc out of my hand of the day, and it found its way into the basket of #1. (bear creek, grapevine, tx, left pin position). i'm glad i didnt practice putting or anything beforehand to cheapen the thrill. :)

It doesnt have a ghost stamp but is very grippy.Its not Ice clear all the way around there is a milky color around the inside of rim.

The first PRODUCTION first Z runs were ghost-stamped. There supposedly are a few milky white ones that have no imprinting that are the true prototype run. A friend of mine got one from Cam that is supposed to be the first Wasp ever. Don't know if they ever got to a tournament though.

Hello Everyone,

Tafe, that was a perfect Elite-X Buzzz explanation.

20460Chase, regarding the Elite-Z Wasp, those were released in the fall/early winter of 2002. The first runs did have the Elite-Z logo Ghost Stamped in the center. The one you have with the ColorMax is an early one for sure, probably from the second run.

The Pro-D Buzzz has been released, along with the Elite-X Soft Challengers. Look for those to start showing up online and at your local disc supplier in the next couple of weeks.

Let me say that I am an Innova guy, but the Pro D Buzz is AWESOME!!!

It will be in my bag very very soon.

Awesome job Keith and the guys at Discraft!

I dont think i have seen any WHITE Pro D BUZZZs. Does that mean you are going to put a DISCRAFT disc in your bag AND break the all white plastic rule???

LOL, the one I have is white actually.

I will NEVER give up my devotion to white plastic - its the color of champions!

And FYI - I have had a X Wasp in my bag for about a year now

Seriously thats pretty sweet i have never seen a white Pro D BUZZZ.

the one I have I got at the Old Dominion Showdown - it has a ghost stamp on it - its a really sweet disc.

If there is a white disc out there, I will find it!!

Kieth

Now that it is going to be dark @ 5:00 it is time to unvail the Photon Glow Challenger!

What do ya think???

THATS WHAT IM SCREAMING :D:D:D

Please please pretty please. I know if i was putting with a challenger last night i would have made some more putts. The magnet just doesnt feel right.

Then again maybe it was the 40 and the 5 beers i drank :confused:

Either way CAN WE PLEASE GET A PHOTON GLOW CHALLENGER :D

X Soft Challengers? Are they the same type of plastic as the current soft challengers?

I think he is talking about a run like the ones in the players packs at worlds. I could be wrong though :D

Just like i was wrong about the 174 FLICKS which are now my money forehand disc :D

I've got a few white D Buzzz's. They were the AceRace disc from Worlds. Very flat, almost like a grippier Z version. I prefer the domey D-stamped ones, MONEY on hole #1 at Toboggan. I'm personally hoping to get something different to drive with, other than an XL and Talon in Photon.
I've always wondered, besides for throwing purposes, why does anyone need a glow putter? How far away do your misses roll? My only problem with night-putting is seeing the basket, not my putter.

Its just cooler to see your putter fly threw the air in GLOW plastic. I putt with a BLACK putter so its out of the question to play glow with it even if it rolls 5 feet from the basket.

I just want a photon glow challenger. I hope they make them for Mystic Mills this year. That would be SWEET. :D

Yeah, I guess finding black would be sort of hard. :o

I love glow discs. I seriously don't understand why all these disc manufactures don't offer all there discs in glow plastic. Espectially there candy plastic. I have a Elite Z MRV the glows just as bright as the Photon Glow. Its a sweet disc. Glow plastic is easier to find night or day. Are the photon glow putters soft?

Dear Keith,

Okay, so I know this isn't a question, but I do want to thank you for getting me my first ace yesterday. I'm not really an excitable person, but I ran around screaming and such... it was pretty cool. I freaked out some elder folks too, judging by the aweful looks I got :DI did it with an elite Z Buzz... anhyzered to the hole 223' away, and straightened out at the last second... CHING! Right into the chains. Thank you for making such a reliable midrange disc.

Now to the question. I have a real bad... uh... i have no clue what the scientific name is... but when i release, first the disc swings left, makes a very wide right, and comes back to the left... i know about glide and fade... I am a righty... I throw around 340 - 350'... but the driver i found works best for me is the Xtra... I found it more controlable than the flash, and i get good D with it. I do not know if the flick exhibited similar characterisitcs, or would the preditor be a better choice for me? Any suggestions would be really helpful... I have found my consistancy with driving to be one of my biggest flaws.

Hello,

Luke, CB is right, the Soft Challengers will be the same as the ones in the Worlds players packages. They do feel a little different than the Photon UV Soft Challengers, which are going to be discontinued when we run out.

CB, We will be running Photon Glo Soft Challengers in the next week or two. Which also answers Player Ones question about the Photon Glo being soft.

B Dubb, Nice work on the Ace! I am a big Buzzz fan myself, the new Pro-D ones are great. For your driver I would try the Elite-Z Flick. It is faster than your Xtra and should be able to hold up to your throwing style.

What about Pro D hardness in a Photon Glow Challenger. :D The soft ones will prolly be hard since its REALLY COLD when we play glow here in MI anyway :D

Thats what i'm talkin about. Old school Photon plastic like in the Magnets, Wasps, Talons... Nice and hard. I said hard.

Thats what i'm talkin about. Old school Photon plastic like in the Magnets, Wasps, Talons... Nice and hard. I said hard.



He said hard. :o

Gateway knows ALL ABOUT HARD PLASTIC :D

Gateway knows ALL ABOUT HARD PLASTIC :D



He said Hard Plastic.

Did I hear him right? Photon Glo "SOFT" Challengers? Sounds like a sweet deal to me. Hopefully I get the heads up when these things are produced and where Ill be able to grab one.

Keith.

I was just wondering how you Discraft rates their discs,

aka 2 left 1 left and so on and so forth

Cause you gave the flick a 2 left rating, but you also gave the Talon a 2 left rating yet the flick is far more overstable then any talon i have thrown??

Wes

the 150g class Z Talon that I saw said "1.5" stability rating... :)

Hey Keith i was wondering why Discraft doesnt have that many D Versions of their discs???

No D Wildcats or Talons or Predators or Crushes or really any of the new Drivers. Are we going to be seeing these anytime soon or does the plastic just not do well in the mold???

Id really like to see some D Preds :D

I cant wait to see what the Photon Glow Challengers feel like :D:D:D

Keith.

I was just wondering how you Discraft rates their discs,

aka 2 left 1 left and so on and so forth

Cause you gave the flick a 2 left rating, but you also gave the Talon a 2 left rating yet the flick is far more overstable then any talon i have thrown??

Wes



WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LOOK AT THE RATINGS?!!!

Seriously, the ratings don't mean anything. If you want to see accurate comparisons, go to www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com) but never use the companies' ratings! They are completely inaccurate and are only used to sell discs.

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LOOK AT THE RATINGS?!!!!



Graham, you trying to start more fights? Tisk tisk. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Here is a good rating system for all you guys out there.

Buy the disc and throw it in a field with flat release 20 times. Watch it fly then give it your OWN rating. Cuz the same disc you just threw 20 times and found that it was OVERSTABLE i may throw it 20 times and its UNDERSTABLE. No disc flies the same for 2 different people. Its all depends on how YOU THROW THE DISC. So forget the ratings buy some discs throw them and either put them in your bag or sell them.

Now all i need to do is throw a disc 5 times and i dont what its does and whether i want to use it or not :D

Keith, any plans on trying to get X/Z discs down into the upper~150s/lower~160s, gram-wise? I think that would be a BIG hit!
Doc

Any Photon Glo Soft Challengers on the market yet?

i've seen 150z plastic talons, flicks, storms and i think XLs.

Thanks Paul, though I'm not much of a fan of shallowed rimmed drivers, ie Talons/Flicks. A Predator/Crush/Wildcat 'around' 160g would fit the bill quite nicely - in either X or Z plastic!!

The article in Disc Golf Magazine said they were making 150 Preds Wildcats Talons Stoms Challengers Magnets and Flicks. I have yet to see Preds Wildcats or Challengers but i would like to mess around with them and see how they fly if they really do make them :D

I have a few X Wildcats that are 163-5. In a recent custom stamp order, I asked for the lightest clear Z-Wildcat I could get and got a few 167's. After messing around with these lighter weights, I don't think a 150 Cat would be MY thing. If someone on the card in front of me farted, it would proably roll! :D

I cant really control anything less stabe then a 170 X Pred so i dont think ANY of these discs would work very well for me except the 150 flick but i havent played around with it enough to know what is does.

Hi all,

ST Discgolfer, we rate our discs by throwing them and trying to compare with other models in the line. The Z-Flick 150 was rated at a 2 and the heavy ones should have been changed to a 2.5. We rushed the stamp for the heavys and over looked the stability box. Look for them to be changed to 2.5 for future runs.

hey Pimp, we will be running the Pro-D Crush in the near future. No telling if a Pro-D Predator would be needed. The Pro-D line tends to appeal to beginners and the Predator is a little too much disc for them.

Circle 2, we will be trying more and more models in the lighter weights over the winter.

Player one, the Photon Glo Soft Challengers started running today. Look for them to start showing up locally and online in the next couple of weeks.

Regarding the 150 class line, the Disc Golf Magazine was incorrect. Currently we have the Z-Flick, Z-Talon, Z-Storm, D-XL and D-Magnets in 150.

ooh...D XL in 150?!? Sweet, I gotta get one of those for my girlfriend who is interested in learning the game!

I was just thinking that the 150 Z-Storm is probably the PERFECT beginner's disc.

You are right Tafe, the Z-Storm 150 is what I am now suggesting to put into peoples hands first. If someone is going to pick up just one disc that should be the one!

No doubt about that. I was allowing some of the players to use it while running the clinic last week. They absolutely loved it! This is a great beginner disc.

Keith,
during the last year has the Elite-X version of the new discs always been released as a fundraiser? For example with Breeze, Buzzz and Crush? Why is it so? I think the X-plastic is the best one, great feeling and grip is superb?

Hey, what are the chances that Discraft's going to put out a pro-D putt'r? In my opinion it would be the ultimate short game disc.

Rattler, or if you want to switch brands go for the ultimate;
<font color="red"> </font> the SUPER PUPPY

I think that Discraft needs to make a crystal crush....

Hey, what are the chances that Discraft's going to put out a pro-D putt'r? In my opinion it would be the ultimate short game disc.



Try the Photon Glos. They seem to be Pro-D'ish in feel.

Or try the X putt'r

The rattler seems similar, but has a much slimmer lip than the putt'r and all the x-putt'rs I've ever seen have been pretty floppy.

Real men putt with pink Rattlers. ;)

I've got a photon, and the rattler/puppy doesn't feel remotely similar to the putt'r mold. I wanna D putt'r!

Don't hold your breath.

Have you thught about a Z Xclone, that would be sick.

Why do you need anything sicker than a Z-Xtreme?

Not Fast enough and too overstable. an xclone is about the equivalnt of the Firebird X. just in Z plastic.

Not Fast enough and too overstable. an xclone is about the equivalnt of the Firebird X. just in Z plastic.



Wes- know what you are talking about before you post. The Firebird was the fastest disc available when it came out around late 99'? Throw them both. When the Firebird goes 50' farther you'll see what I'm talking about.

Forget the X clone get a Tsunami, Predator, Z Predator, or Flick. You have got to be the only person that would want a Z X-clone with those discs available now.


Question for Keith: Will the Flick eventually be made in the Elite line? Thanks.

Well Mr. Luke.

Maybee the Flick is too overstable. and also the flick is already in the Elite Line. Elite Z Flick. Dumb [*****]- Next time you try and smack talk, dont make mistakes in your post.

I had sent an e-mail a while back to discraft about Z-Xclones, they told me that they dont work in that plastic. But if you ask me they havent worked since they changed to the X plastic. Which is why I went to the predators.

I have an Elite Z MRV that glows. And it glows bright. It is some really sweet plastic. Does anyone know where this came from and why it was done?

Well better yet, how come more discs are not made of this plastic? like a z-wasp and a z-wildcat would be really sweet. I play alot of night golf and these would be awesome.

It was a one time experiment. I don't think the Discraft boys liked how it was weighted or set up or something. It will most likely never be seen again. I do have two or three white X Wasps that glow faintly. But nobody at the factory could explain it. BTW, Happy Birthday.

I have a couple of those Glow Z-MRV's. I got them at a Halloween tournament at Scott Papa's house a couple of years ago. I think they were only produced with 2 stamps, but I am not 100% sure about that. (The small band-aid stamp, and the larger, 3-d Howliewood stamp.) They do glow like crazy, though. Scott said that something like 500 were made? It's been a couple of years, and I don't remeber that well. It was few enough that I bought two. :D

I also have a few. Scott hooked me up.

I heard they only made one run because the glow material and the Z plastic wasnt mixing very well. What i was told was that they ran 1000 of these discs but only 300 were fit to leave the factory and be thrown. Thats not a very good ratio in my opinion. Not worth wasting all that glow material and Z plastic if your only going to get to use 30 percent of what you make. Thats just what i heard. Im not talking for Discraft or anything like that. This is just what i was told.

Keith, any idea when the d-crushes will be out, I can't wait to get one beat in and start rolling them 600+...umm maybe 500+. Any luck on the x crush lately, or is it a lost cause?

why do you guys put stickers on most all of your discs? I think these stickers are totally useless other than leaving a residue on your disc when removed. Isn't having stickers on your disc illegal for PDGA play anyways? and why even bother with the stickers if they're only gonna tell people what weight range their discs are in, instead of the actual weight?

good question! i second it.
go USC!!!

802.01 DISCS USED IN PLAY

C. Players may not make post-production modification of discs which alter their original flight characteristics.

What the manufacturer does in production is OK.

i still think it would be easier if they would stick to writing the weight on them like they do on the Z discs.

Happy New Year all!

The story on the Photon Glo Z-Mrv, that is what we wanted to introduce the Photon Glo material in but it didn't run well. We had a few hundered good pieces that we used for Howliewood in WA and Mystic Mills in MI. We still haven't been able to run Photon Glo in the Elite-Z plastic.

Regarding the Pro-D Crush, we are still debating on bringing that one out. We should have a better feel in the next couple of weeks as certain models get discontinued. We haven't tried the Elite-X Crush recently, but the outcome should be the same and they probably won't run.

The weight stickers are on there because it is easier to keep track of and helps with our inventory system. They are totally legal for PDGA tournament play.

What models are going to be discontinued?

i heard no more XTRA dont know what else.

Keith,
during the last year has the Elite-X version of the new discs always been released as a fundraiser? For example with Breeze, Buzzz and Crush? Why is it so :( ? I think the X-plastic is the best one, great feeling and grip is superb?

Cyclone 2, X2, I think the Z-Xtra is still being run though.

Keith...any plans for another run of CT Challengers in the near future?

They already have another run of CT Challengers. They are the signature stamped white ones that they were selling at worlds. I have about 10 or 11 of them and they are pretty a sweet but i dont think they are as sweet as the First Run orange ones that i still have 4 of :D

steve, how similar is the CT challenger plastic to KC aviar plastic? i love the soft challenger by the way , just a little to unstable though.

Its getting pretty close but still not exactly the same. These CTs feel pretty close to the creamy 9 Times but I dont think they are as soft as the 9 times were. I dont really have that many aviars so i cant really compare. I like the orange 1st Run CTs the best though.

Thanks, i'll have to have my friend order me a couple next time he sends off.

They are only available from Cam. They are my bizzle putters already. And I didn't really like the last ones, not hard enough.

www.sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com)

$11.99 plus shipping for the CT Challenger.
And Tax if you live in Florida

I LOVE the old orange Cam Todd Challengers so if anyone has any 172 173 or 174 gram 1st Run Orange Cam Todds hit me up and i will buy them off of you or trade you for them.

The new ones are sweet too but im using those for upshots.

Which means Barnett got them from Cam. I was just saying you couldn't order them from Discraft. If you can find Cam, they might be less.

Barnett's are the signature series. Plain white with Cam's signature, or Cam's personal 2nd run. Right?

They are the second run of Cam Todd Challengers. There are no other stamps or colors from this run. Whatever that means to you. These and the Ron Russell Z-Comets are essentially gifts from Discraft to their top touring players to give them a little extra income while on the road. After I win a World's you will all be able to throw a CryZtal APX. (yeah right, we'll be throwing carbon fiber by then :D)

Hello all,

mf100, Regarding using Elite-X plastic discs for fundraising, the only one that applies to is the X-Buzzz. We released that in a limited Holiday run and then to raise money for the 2004 DGLO. It has now been put into our normal production line. The only Elite-X Breeze's that have been run were for prizes for our 2003 One Disc Ace Race grand prize winners. No plans on releasing that at all. The X-Crush was going to be added to our line however they didn't run properly in the Elite-X plastic and we were only able to get around 500 good pieces that we used for the 2004 Memorial.

fossil, The following models will no longer be produced once they are off of the shelves: Elite-X MRX, APX, X2, Xtreme and Cyclone 2. Elite-Z Hawk, Magnet, X2 and Xtra. Look for new models to start rolling out in the next couple of months.

The current "signature" CT Challengers are the 3rd or 4th run and were all white this last time.

P.S. Check out the SuperCOLOR Ultra-Stars!!! (http://www.sportdiscs.com)

Wow! I was wrong about a piece of Discraft. I will now go chastise myself.
APX and Magnet gone?!?! What's left? Since you are creating new ones Keith...
I need a durable, stable throwing putter to replace my 1st run Q Omega's. The D Challenger is close but too overstable a finish and the plastic won't hold up. I thought a Z APX would be perfect (give the mold a chance before killing it please! :eek:) but I will wait. Every new disc is great so I'm sure I like whatever you make.

Keith,

SuperColor ULTRASTARS!!!! You have email!!!

Tafe,

I read it as it only being the X-APX, and the Z-Magnet.

O.K. Maybe you're right. But what other APX's are there?

SWIRL!!!

As Erick stated, The SWIRL APX. Not as durable as some of the other plastics, but the flight is so, so TRUE.

Look for new models to start rolling out in the next couple of months.



Thanx Keith for the answer!
Can you tell us what discs are coming out during the next months, do you have a "release plan ready? ;)

Whoops. :o I don't even really consider that an APX. And I used to putt with it. It's just different. And I don't throw soft. Straight today, turn tomorrow.

Hello,

Just to clarify, the models being discontinued are X-MRX, X-APX, X-X2, X-Cyclone 2, Z-Hawk, Z-Magnet, Z-X2 and Z-Xtra. We will be releasing a new driver and mid-range in the near future. No dates yet as they are still being tested. The first new item of the year will be the release of the Pro-D Crush. These feel and fly great! I'll be sure and keep you posted as new models are getting closer to being released.

Hello,

Just to clarify, the models being discontinued are X-MRX, X-APX, X-X2, X-Cyclone 2, Z-Hawk, Z-Magnet, Z-X2 and Z-Xtra.



Sad to see the Z-Hawk go, but I guess with the success of the Z-Buzzz, it was inevitable...

Keith, Thanks for the timely updates.

Is the Z-Hawk more overstable than the Buzz? How would it compare to a Z-Wasp? (not necessarily a question for Keith if anyone else knows the answer).

Z Hawk is less stable than a Buzz or Wasp.

P.S. Check out the SuperCOLOR Ultra-Stars!!!




Keith,

These look awesome. I can't wait to show the Ultimate guys at their next meeting Tuesday night (1/18/05). I figure after they catch a glimpse of these, i'll have another order for you. :D

I had to answer this question here instead of on the Roc thread. A sticker Magnet, is a Magnet from long long ago. Somwhere around 92, 93 when they first came out. AKA known as Proto Magnets. The sticker is the old school sticker, (click here and scroll down)

http://par72discgolf.clientcart.com/_Timmy+Gill+bio.html

They were on most everthing back then, but the special ones are the Magnets, Cyclones, X Clones.(these discs changed the game) If you see any of these still around, eat them up and put them away.
The Sticker/proto Magnets, have a harder plastic. It wears in a little different. They fly straighter, ie. holds a unreal line. Not quite as overstable as the current runs. I don't putt with one, I approach/drive with them.
Hope this helps.
TG

I still don't know what i did with my sticker magnets. I found the box with the sticker cyclones and sticker x-clones, but don't know for the life of me where the Magnets are. :confused: Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I snuck in and stole them while you were "busy" with the Margarita machine! :D

D'Oh! Stupid Marg. machine!

i found a broken sticker magnet 2 days ago.


**** winter

Keith...
Do you know what Discraft is making for the Memorial? :confused:

Keith,

I have come across a few variables in my favorite disc....The Z-Buzzz.

1) On the inside of the rim, there is the name of the disc molded into it. On some of my Z-Buzzz's it says "Wasp" and on others it says "Buzzz".

2) Some of the Z-Buzzz's are flat and really stable, and others are domey and understable brand new. It does not conincide with each other. Here is what I have...

178 Z-Buzzz (Flat), "Buzzz"
177 Z-Buzzz (Domey), "Wasp"
176 Z-Buzzz (Flat), "Wasp"
178 D-Buzzz (Flat), "Buzzz"

Can you help explain this one for me?

P.S. A beat up Flat Z-Buzzz is the perfect turn over midrange THANKS!!!

I know that I have answered this earlier in this thread.
To answer again; The Buzzz was built from the Wasp. An injection mold for a disc is a 3-piece thing. When they ran the first Buzzz's, the underside/inside of the mold was from the Wasp, hence the reason it says, "Wasp". The newer runs now have a dedicated mold, hence why it says, "Buzzz." Variances in dome and stability could be due to anything, climate during the run, stamping, color, how it cooled or sub-concious operator variables. I still haven't been able to convince Keith that my white-clear Z-Wildcats feel different than anything with color in it. Throw what works for you. I still have to pick up and feel every white X-Wasp that I find to find the few that feel just right.

Cool, thanks.

I figured out a way to flatten my domey buzzz. I guess what I was really wondering was if the Buzzz was meant to be domey or flat.

No one over here is Sracthing thier heads unless its about what AWESOME disc DISCRAFT will produce next.......Atleast when you buy a DISCRAFT disc in the same color and weight it will fly the same.......Cant say that or anything close to that for Innova.......ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE NO INCONSISTENCYS BUT DISCRAFT HAS LESS THAN INNOVA thats why we switched :D THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION :D



I would throw nothing but discraft except I have not found a subsitute for the Orc, Leopard, or Aviar.

To me the Crush is very similar to the beast, Express is supposed to be like the Leopard but it's just not the same, and I have not found a Discraft putter that feels like a SB DX Aviar.

And besides, I am not sponsored, so I just throw what works best for me...

Is the Z-Hawk more overstable than the Buzz? How would it compare to a Z-Wasp? (not necessarily a question for Keith if anyone else knows the answer).



Try the pro d slightly beat, it even fades straight if you get it just right

Hi Keith,

Do you plan on releasing any new CryZtal discs for tournaments or as fundraisers for Worlds? A CryZtal Crush and Flash would be pretty SWEET!

CryZtal BUZZZ would be sweet as well. Keith, any word on a midnight black Z Buzzz?

FYI (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3121-PDCRS)

I have a cryztal buzzz in my collection from worlds...

is this true??? anybody know?

is this true??? anybody know?


Not sure if you were talking about the CryZtal Buzzz...but I thought I would post a few pic's of one of them.
http://www.joe-thompson.com/buzzz3.jpg
http://www.joe-thompson.com/buzzz2.jpg
http://www.joe-thompson.com/buzzz1.jpg
http://www.joe-thompson.com/buzzz4.jpg

joe, does your cryztal (sp?) buzz say wasp on the inside rim? I have an identical disc and it looks like a buzz, not a wasp, but it says wasp on the inside rim... did they even make cryztal wasps for worlds? :confused:

A few of the run's for the buzzz say wasp on the inside rim. Mine says wasp too...but it is definitely a buzzz...so says the sticker /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I have a few of the cryztal discs from worlds :D...along with some of the x-wasps from worlds.

thanks for clearing that up for me, i thought it was a buzz, but it said wasp... :D

Yeah I have one of those cryztal buzzz as well. They look to sweet to throw though, I was wondering if they would run that for other tournies. Keith is a CryZtal Xtreme out of the question?

Discraft retools molds to make different discs. i.e., the buzzz is based off the wasp. So, the early run buzzz's say wasp on the inner rim. If you look in the thread on Flick's, you'll find the first run's have part of the word Crush on the inner rim. I know mine does.

i dont throw discraft, its yours if you want, you got any innova (sorry wrong thread) to trade for it? :D

thanks for the info!

I meant the Pro D Crush? is that gonna be produced? :D

The Pro D Crush is coming out on Feb.1 according to Sunking Discs!!!

Hi everybody,

Discgolfer386, we have just release the VERY limited Elite-Z Buzzz Memorial SuperColor and the limited edition Pro-D Buzzz Memorial SuperColor. You can find them on www.sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com). Get them now cause they are going to go quick.

Parkntwoputt, tafe gave a pretty good rundown of the Buzzz situation. Regarding the top, we try to run them flat but they can pop up when cooling.

no limit luedtke, we are introducing the CryZtal Buzzz into our 2005 Club and Tournament Director specials. More info on those can be found here Discraft TD Specials (http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/TDSpecials.html).

Harpua, there is still talk of doing a Midnight Z-Buzzz as a fundraiser. No telling when it might be available. No thoughts right now of a CryZtal Xtreme, we will be doing another run of Z-Xtremes at some point in the year but it has not been scheduled yet.

Jaymo, yes, the Pro-D Crush is on it's way. We will start sending them out to retailers and distributors early next week. These feel great and I think people are really going to like them.

Keith those Memorial Buzzzes are sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do u know who made the design?

I'll second that, they look cool. Nice Duck.

Especially if i threw it in the basket off the tee :cool:

Hi Nick,

That design was done by Coy, an artist that has been doing the Memorial design, and that we have worked with for years. He also did the "Fly the Colors" eagle SuperColor design.

Keith,
Do you know what is in the player's package of the memorial, or is that a secret?

Thanks for the info Keith :)

The TD usually decides whats in the Player Package.

Hello,

Actually the company donating the discs is who usually decides what to put in the players package. We are not telling what is going into the Memorial package yet, it will be nice though!

Go back in the thread. I've explained why a few times.

Hey Keith....just wondering if we will see an elite-x flash in the near future???

Keith,

I'm curious if you ever tried to run the Eclipse mold in Elite X or Z. Since you did it for Comet's I was wondering if it was ever considered. It would make a sweet turnover/roller. Thanks in advance for your reply.

Time to beat the dead horse:

Kieth

How about a hard plastic Photon Glow Challenger??? Love the soft challenger for putting but need a hard one for drives and up-shots.

Please

Moolie, have you tried the Cam Todd Challenger? Really hard, very stable. A good driving putter and an excellent headwind putter. Although it does not glow, if that is what you are looking for.

I have a big stash of Orange and White Cam Challengers from 03 and I like them. I also really like the feel of the Photon Plastic used in the Wasp, Talon etc... and think it would be dynaminte in a putter.

You've GOT to try the new ones. Hardest plastic from Discrfat EVER. just sweet.

Are they as sick overstable as the 03's?

The new cams are pretty SICK overstable.

The new cams are pretty SICK overstable.



I still flip mine over when trying to drive long (200-250ft), but it definately is the most overstable of any putter out there. BEST headwind putter ever though :cool:

CrYstal Challegers are more overstable then cams for sure :D

That flipping putter thing is more a function of form then putter. I know guys that can crank beat up Magnets/Aviars over 350 and have it finish staright as an arrow. I am not one of those guys but it can be done with the right combo of snap, spin and elevation.

And wind. Most putters just can't handle a head wind, for D at least. The CryZtal is the most overstable, for sure. I don't even carry one, my first-runs are good enough for me.

Throw more nose up and you won't have this problem.

When I use my putter-only driving style I can throw new/ broken in soft magnet dead straight for 300', and a beat up one on a slight turnover almost as far.

To me it seems more wrist/less body, release nose up, and aim higher to let the air get under it and carry it to the basket.

I love the stability of the Cryztal Z Challenger, great for D close to 270 etc, even with some wind, but i've found in really wet conditions its tough to get a grip on it. I've since changed to the Black Soft Challenger or Pro D, sacrificing stability for much better grip. The Black Soft feels sooooo nice to me. The Pro D was actually fairly durable. I had to purposely beat the crap out of it because with "normal usage" it woudnt beat in, even a little.

Great job on the challengers D-Craft!!!

How do the X-Challengers compare stability-wise for driving?

The Cryztal Z Challengers are AWESOME in the wind. I was playing in like 30+ mile an hour winds and the only thing that i could get to hold a freakin line was my Crustal Z Challenger. I threw it into a head wind 4 holes in a row and it held the line perfectly. I got 4 dueces from this bad boy. I will never be without a Crystal Z Challenger as long as i play disc golf :D

How do the X-Challengers compare stability-wise for driving?



I find you just cant get the same D with a X Challenger. For some reason whenever i throw them they seem to just drop out of the sky. They seem to have NO GLIDE what so ever. Maybe its just me but i would stick with the Cam Tods and Crystal Challenegs for all your driving and upshot needs :D

I'm diggin' my black Soft Challenger...they have a great feel/texture as mentioned above. How about their stability comparetively?

They'll flip moreso into a headwind. But with a lot of hyzer, they seem to work into a nice S for me (maybe because I dont torque it as hard?) I can throw a cryztal challenger flat into a headwind and it'll work nicely. Throwing a Soft challenger flat into a head wind generally will turnover with a lot of torque.

Hey everyone,

DC, no telling on the Elite-X Flash. We may try it in the next couple of months to see what it does.

bigtom, I wouldn't expect to see any Eclipses in the X or Z material, but I never say never!

Moolie, we decided to release a Soft Challenger in the Photon Glo plastic. No plans as of now to run it in hard Photon Glo material.

Thanks for all the great feedback on the Challengers. They have become an extremely popular putter. I love the Pro-D for putting and approach. Now if I could only find a way to make them go in every time!

Speaking of Challengers, we've put the SuperColor Soft Challengers up on www.sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com). Get one before they are gone.

Thanks for the reply Kieth. I wll continue to occasionly beg, plead and suggestfor a hard one (I said hard one). Keep up the great work.

I don't like the new ones at all. But for some reason, my first run X's are great! It's my overstable driving putter. They fell more durable w/ some dome. I just switched from a first run Q Omega to a Pro D Challenger and X APX for my stable/understable driving putter(s). And I'm the type of golfer that will "down-club" at any opportunity. I still think a Z APX would be great! (Hint, Hint. Give it a chance Keith. Not that soft thing!)

Keith, can we expect to see more discs in the Pro-D plastic? Also, I heard that the plastic has been upgraded, is this true?

Thanx

Someone told me the Swirl APX has been discontinued, is this true?

No it has not. The standard APX has.

So far.

I have some new plastic in my hands. At least it feels different. As soon as I'm healthy I plan on throwing them in the field.

They feel good, don't they?

are you two talking about the new prototype discs that discraft just made?

Yes, the test molds, and test plastic.

where can we see or feel these proto mold proto plastic discs?

A Z APX would be a dream come true. The APX is the best driving putter I've ever used. Thanks Jaime Letts. BTW where are you bagger?

Ask your local Discraft player. I won't have time to test them until this weekend. :confused:

These new discs are SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The plastic is really durable. I hope this is the new D plastic becaue then i can put some D Wasps in the bag :D

I can get 500 plus with the new driver right out of the box. Its as fast as the flick and a little more overstalbe then a Crush. Lets just say it BOMBS!!!!!!!!! The Midrange is SUPER OVERSTABLE. Way more over then a Z Wasp. I would have to say Predator stability in a midrange :D

The new plastic is sweet, it reminds me of the plastic in hd hawks back in the day, yet a little more grippy. The Drone (new mid-range) is going to be a sweet addition to the Discraft line. The driver is also really nice, like Millz said, more stable than a crush and as fast as a flick. Question for Keith, if the plastic is a go, are you going to release other discs in it, like a buzzz/wasp/challenger?

Could this be what's in the Memorial player's pack?? :D :D :D

Hopefully both of these discs become a reality, then I can take my demon and 1st run crush out of the bag.

If the midranges are more overstable than the Demon then they'll be useless. Hopefully they will be just slightly more overstable than the 1st run Z Wasps.

Are the new discs more overstable than a Crush in a similar proportion that a Crush is more overstable than a 1st run Crush?

I just got a white X Buzz identical to the one My Hero is holding in his player profile on Par 72's website. The new X plastic is really grippy, yet stiff enough. Almost reminds of CE.


Also compared to my z express I roll, the new Z Flick's opaque plastic is also more grippy and over all more flexible feeling than the clearish [*****] Z that most of the drivers are released in.

What gives with this new grippy opaque plastic, espcially that of the white X buzz's. Really nice.

That's TWO votes Keith! C'MON!!!

A Z APX would be a dream come true. The APX is the best driving putter I've ever used. Thanks Jaime Letts. BTW where are you bagger?



After he moved back to Lansing, MI he played for while and stopped playing. I see him every so often when I am in Lansing playing league or a local tourny.

as a big fan and thrower of wasps/buzzzes...i'm excited to hear about this "drone". i'm guessing it's also a modified (bigger bead?) wasp, since the name suggests kinship with the wasp/buzzz? i'd love to see a picture of the profile of this thing and hear some reports. i use all discraft mids (buzzz, wasp, glide) and a little more overstable version of the wasp would be very welcome.

I doesn't have anything in common with the Buzzz/Wasp. It is a re-tool of the MRX. Therefore it should be smaller and with a much different grip.

I doesn't have anything in common with the Buzzz/Wasp. It is a re-tool of the MRX. Therefore it should be smaller and with a much different grip.



sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet

I hope there will be some available in Scottsdale next weekend.

I threw one on Friday, they are like mid-range Predators... A sharper MRX!!!!!

Any one have a link or picture of one of these drones? I would like to check it out.

I threw one on Friday, they are like mid-range Predators... A sharper MRX!!!!!


Sharper MRX? These things are pigs, they are much thicker/less sharp than a MRX, but I agree they do fly like a mid predator. I wanna throw these in z plastic and see what they do. Probably pretty similar but much more durable.

Wipes drool from chin...
Mmmm...overstable midrange....
Must have one or two...

I love the new MRX like mid range and cant wait until i can put it in my bag for real. :D

Do they have a continuous left turn like the predator or a sharper hook like a Flick?

Do they have a continuous left turn like the predator or a sharper hook like a Flick?



Flicks can be flipped at first...
These just want to go left RHBH out of the tee.

Word,

The midrange is super stable. I am really liking it for forehands that have to come back in the 75-150 range. I was throwing Xtremes and Predators before but always had to account for the driver skip factor. The new driver is sweet and very fast. I took both to a tournament and let some folks throw them. Brandon W. was cranking some drives around the 500 mark on his first day throwing the disc. I think that the new plastic for the D series should be a hit.

Shane

The D plastic Crushes are great for DISTANCE.

I thought the 1st run Z Wasps were mid range Predators. ;)

These just want to go left RHBH out of the tee.



I know am going to say the dreaded "I" word here. But is this new midrange like the Innova Gator? It sounds similar in flight. I am curious because I am growing more partial to discraft every day, but there are a few Innova discs that I so far cannot live without.

I have thrown a Champ Gator before. From how this new discraft mid is described, it sounds like it will be MUCH more overstable than a Champ Gator.

I haven't thrown one but have seen it. Dave Mcquay showed me one at a Durham NC monthly. It didn't look anything like a Gator. It looks like a Demon and from what you guys are saying apparently flies like one.

I have thrown a Champ Gator before. From how this new discraft mid is described, it sounds like it will be MUCH more overstable than a Champ Gator.



More overstable then a Gator! Holy flying pig!

I have thrown a Champ Gator before. From how this new discraft mid is described, it sounds like it will be MUCH more overstable than a Champ Gator.



More overstable then a Gator! Holy flying pig!



Whats so amazing about being more overstable than a Gator? I can think of at least 2 (Now 3 with this new one) midranges that are beefier.

i can think of 4 including this one...

viper
whippit
demon
and mystery disc from discraft

Griffin

I thought the 1st run Z Wasps were mid range Predators. ;)



Are these that much more overstable than 1st run Z Wasps? Why would anyone need anything more overstable for a midrange. Heavy 1st run Z Wasps were very overstable, but didn't have a sharp hook. Do these new discs have a sharp hyzer at the end of the flight?

I just got the new Proto Midrange today and WOW!!!!

This thing is sweet. Thrown flat I cannot get it to flex out, the Z-Wasp flexes so slightly. I do not know of the stability differences between it and the Innova Champion Gator, but this is definately much much much faster. Getting a really good crank on it, I pushed it out to about 320-330, just slightly shorter then my Z-Wasp. I did get it to hold an anhyzer, but that was released at a pretty steep angle and by the time it hit the ground it was barely flat.

Thanks Keith, this disc is awsome! I cannot wait for it to come out in Z plastic.

I thought the 1st run Z Wasps were mid range Predators. ;)



When going for distance the Wasp is very turnable...
This thing is a stablel pig!!! :eek:

Not if you throw 1st runs that are 175+. My farthest throw ever with a 1st run Z Wasp was about 400' and that was throw as hard as I could, with anhyzer. The newer Z Wasps are much closer to how a overstable(KC?) roc flys.

Any more details on these 2 prototype discs?

I do know that they can be run in D plastic only. It's a weight thing. The driver feels pretty sweet

Is the driver anywhere near the Tsunami in design?

No. I think Pimp said before that it is a modified Flick, and that's what it is. Just a little dome on the heavy ones. Some of the lighter ones were "popped". The new Discraft logo ghost-stamped is pretty cool. Even some Innova guy's liked it. :eek:

Thanx :D

Hello All,

The Drone (mid-range) is PDGA approved and legal for tournament play as of 2/27/05. The Venom (driver) has been sent in and we expect it to be approved in the next couple of weeks.

The new Pro-D blend has gotten a great response from everyone I've talked to. Look for more models to be run in the new, grippy Pro-D plastic.

The new 2005 Am Worlds SuperCOLOR Buzzz's are up at www.sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com/catalog/item/1688761/1243793.htm). Be sure and check them out they are hot!!!

More great things coming up in 2005 include Discraft's One Disc Ace Race which will be held throughout the month of September all over the world. More details will be available at sportdiscs.com soon.

If the first three months of 2005 are any indication then it should be a busy year!

The drone was part of the players package for world doubles and it is a stable pig, other than the ram i dont know any mids that are more stable than the one i got. dont have a use for it now but i am looking for one. Also cryzstal buzzz is awesome, i barely threw it in a weadwind and the thing just took off wind didnot bother it at all flew straight about 380 and fell straight. we need a cryzstal wasp please keith!! Cant wait to try the venom!!

TK :p

Why is Discraft's BEST player that is not supposedly retired, or not named Randolph listed on the team page as CHAD Hatfield?


It's CODA damnit

a hard magnet in that new D-blend plastic would be SWEET!!!!

Why is Discraft's BEST player that is not supposedly retired, or not named Randolph listed on the team page as CHAD Hatfield?

It's CODA damnit





http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/Sponsored1.html

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.......

What "The Venom " like ?

Its sweet. Its inbetween the stability of a Crush and a Flick but its as fast as the flick and once they beat in i think they will be SUPER SICK for distance. I think you will be able to get that Super tigh S shot with these things once they get worked in a bit. Plus they are in the new Pro D plastic which is SUPER GRIPPY and seems to be pretty durable as well :D

The venoms are approved, but when/where will they be available for sale in central ohio?

Are you sure they are approved because i just talked to Jim Kenner last night and he said they would prolly be approved in the middle of next week or so.

Who did you hear that they were approved from??? Because if they are ill be throwing one on saturday in Grand Ledge :D

Sorry, I mis read keith's post, and got it confused on which was approved. Once again, I apologize for the confusion.

Its sweet. Its inbetween the stability of a Crush and a Flick but its as fast as the flick and once they beat in i think they will be SUPER SICK for distance. I think you will be able to get that Super tigh S shot with these things once they get worked in a bit. Plus they are in the new Pro D plastic which is SUPER GRIPPY and seems to be pretty durable as well :D



I thought the Venom was like the Innova Orc? Flash and Crush are too understable for me. That is one of a few discs that keeps me from going 100% Discraft.

I said between FLICK and CRUSH not FLASH and CRUSH. Read the part that you quoted. Its says
Its sweet. Its inbetween the stability of a Crush and a Flick



This disc is SWEET. I throw with alot snap and power and i CANT flip this thing over. I can TURN it but i cant FLIP it :D

My bad, there both 5 letter words that start with FL***

Drone: Is there anyone out there with a Drone and a digital camera? If so, please take a profile picture of the Drone. Just curious.

Slightly retooled MRX. OVERSTABLE PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The profile is almost EXACTLY the same as an MRX but ill take a picture when i get home

Slightly retooled MRX. OVERSTABLE PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The profile is almost EXACTLY the same as an MRX but ill take a picture when i get home



Keyword...almost, it looks a lot like the MRX but is thicker, taller, and just a pig! It almost has a dead flight to it.

Drone: Is there anyone out there with a Drone and a digital camera? If so, please take a profile picture of the Drone. Just curious.



Not a profile pic, but someone already has 1 on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20851&item=7142227396&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I have 2 if anyone wants them.

I didn't see it before, so sorry if I missed it....Are the drone and venom approved yet? If so, when can I expect them for sale near central ohio?

edit: Forgot to ask: Is there any difference in stability among the different colors for flashes? or would a tournament stamp make it more stable/overstable? I can throw my predator and keep it fairly straight and flat, but the flash just turned left immediately for me RHBH.

Hello,

The Drone and Venom are both approved and legal for PDGA tournament play. The Drones have started shipping and the Venom will be released to vendors after this weekends Bowling Green Am Championships.

Regarding Flashes, I haven't heard of any color differences. Most of the time it has to do with runs but I don't know of any Flashes that are as overstable as you mention CanI. A custom stamp/ColorMax can affect the top of the disc, which may alter the stability.

My first run Z Flashes were different stabilities depending on color. My orange ones seem to be most overstable, then yellow, then blue...

My orange ones seem to be more overstable than my first run Z Crushes.

Just my opinion.

The second run seems as a whole more understable than the first run.

Erick

Gotta love those full-color tournament Buzz's....they're oh so nice and flat.

A custom stamp/ColorMax can affect the top of the disc, which may alter the stability.

McCabe, what's the deal? How often do you replace your main putter? Seems like I'm on the "lasts one year" program.

I had the same putter in my bag all last year...untill a local ******* drove over it with his truck!!! So now I'm trying to break in a new one.

Dude, I love that avatar. You must be livin' in a van, down by the river....eating paint chips.

So, do they usually last more than one year? I guess it depends on the style of putting, but it you're used to an overstable putter (Cam or D-challenger) than you almost have to replace it every year!

I tried not to replace mine this year, but think it's probably in order now... I'm trying a D-Challenger to see it that'll work. Hope so b/c I don't have many Cam's left (6yrs worth!).

I just picked up a couple Glo-Challengers at Pyramids in MA. They are ridiculously sweet! Grippppppy as hell! don't really know what they fly like, but I imagine stable to overstable.

Anybody use these?

I like to replace my "main" putter about once a year.. Thats a lot of rounds of golf with one putter!!
Are you throwing the D Crush??
And I am Living in a van down by the river!!

So many new Discraft discs to try! I haven't tried the D-Crush yet, but it feels sweet. You throw it? I'm looking forward to throwing the Venom too. I need to place an order b/c I know people will dig those discs around here and I wanna check 'em out myself.

I'm throwing the D Crush farther than any other disc...EVER!!
Plus its a bad arse roller when it beats up a little!

further than the venom? flash? glo challenger? :)

...everything!!...except my BUZZZ!!!! :D

You still throw the Z-crush? How does the D fly differently?

Yes...and Farther...same disc, just less stable.
All my bag has in it is....D, and Z Crush. Z Buzzz, Z Preds, and D Challengers. pretty simple huh?

I too like the simple, but can't do without the SWIRL, plain ole D-wasp, and old school X-XL. I wonder if the D-wasp is going to change now that they have the hybrid D plastic? :confused:

Wow..That would be sweet!! or the D Pred!! :D

Yea, a Pro-D Predator in the new hybrid plastic!!!!! Mmmmm, delicious!

I would like to see a Z X-Clone!!

Hey our first PDGA sanctioned events are this weekend! Sad aye? At least there are 2 C-tiers. And one of them is a 2005 Worlds course.

You planning on making it out to Worlds this year? We have to convince Johnny (or Amy more like it) to ditch the kid and come out for some northeastern golf.

Plan on it!! Yea..come on Johnny!!
Are you going to BG?

I want a D Pred and a D Tsunami :D Oh and a hard photon glow challenger :D

Keith, When can we expect to see the other discs in the new D plastic???

When is that, April 16th? Never played out there, but would sure love to make it. You planning on travelling at all? Sure would like to make the DGLO!

You should try to come out to the Warwick NT event this summer. You got a place to stay 20 minutes away. We could get out to Campgraw also - new ski resort course in NJ that is supposed to be incredible!!!

Common Johnny Hero, next year you'll be too old!

Photon Glos that I have are S-O-F-T like butter. They remind me of the old school Juliana Aviar X.

You planning on travelling at all?


When I'm not working I'll be playen!!

DGLO for sure!! I will look into Warwick also!! sound like fun!
Hey My Hero...you can travel with me!!