My bag going into the FRIZ:

1x FLX Pred
1x Star Destroyer
2x TRX 1 champ 1 star
2x TB 1 champ 1 CE
2x CE TL
2x San Marino Roc
2x Ontario Roc
2x KC Roc 10x & 11x
3x KC Aviar 9x, 10x, 12x black

Werd

1- 150 dx aero
2- 170 dx cro
1- 175 champ gator

2- 170 teebirds [dx/star]

1- 150 dx wraith
2- 170 star destroyers [new/beat]

if it is a super windy day i will add a 175 spirit. I putt w/ the dx cros.

If I'm carrying my big bag:

150 Gummy Champ Sidewinder
160 Champ Sidewinder
155 Gummy Champ Valk
154 Champ Orc
159 Gummy Champ Beast
160 Champ Starfire
150 Champ Firebird
155 KC Pro Teebird
157 DX TeeRex

169 Champ USDGC Roc (blem)
162 DX Ontario Roc (Tour de Rizbee stamp)
168 Gummy Champ Rhino
168 DX "Hands" Aviar
174 Skystreak
172 DGA Shuttle Puppy
172 Elite X Puttr

172 Z Flick.......Beat in for Overhands and Sidearms
174 Z Flick.......New for same as above
174 ESP Pulse.....New for Sidearms
174 Z Pred........New for Hyzers
171 Z Tsunami.....New for Longer Hyzers
174 ESP Surge.....Super Long hyzers and S shots
174 Proline Rogue.New for all distance shots and some rollers
174 Proline Rogue.Beat up for hyzer flips and rollers
176 ESP Wasp......New for midrange hyzers
177 Z BUZZZ.......New for straight to stable midrange
174 2nd 1st Run Z BUZZZ.........New for straight to less stable midrange
177 ESP Comet.....New for superstraight mid shots with no fade at the end of flight
177 ESP Comet.....Beat for hyzer flips and turnover midrange
4 Challengers.....1 Crystal for wind putts and upshots and driving........1 Beat D for straight shots and turnover drives........2 Cam Todds for putting only

Besides losing 5 discs in the last month my bag has been about the same since the Teerex came out.

Current Bag:
1x Aviar PnA - put a new one in the bag because I aced the last one.
2x KC Pro Aviar- Main Putters and airbounce approach disc
1x D-buzzz - Beat
1x Z-buzzz 1st run - Flat
1x FLX Buzzz- Hyzer/Flat
3x DX Teebirds - roller to hyzer.. always 1 almost new
1x DX Teerex - FAST and NO skip
2x Star Teerex- one Lighter for distance.. 1 heavy for Headwind/Flex/Utility


That's about it. I'd like to have these discs added/replaced:
- DX BB Aviars- to replace all of my putters
- D Wasp- Hoping I can get more life from it than a D-buzzz
- D-Buzzz- Mine is almost cracked now.

-Scott Lewis

ESP Pred
Z Tsunami
ESP Flash
2 ESP Surges 1 new 1 Used
2 ESP/Proline Rogues 1 newer 1 used
1 ESP Wasp
1 Z BUZZZ
1 2nd 1st Run Z BUZZZ
2 ESP Comets 1 new 1 used
4 Challengers 2 Cam Todd for putting only 1 CryZtal Z for just about everything and 1 Pro D that im trying to BEAT IN!!!

Side Pockets= Utility Discs
1 Z Flick Overhand shots and Super Overstable Sidearms
1 ESP Pulse Sidearms and long Hyzers

174 Z Pred
169 Star Wraith
171 Champ Orc
171 Champ TB
169 Champ Leopard

180 DX Roc (new)
178 Z Buzzzzzzzzz
180 DX Roc (beat)

174 Wizard x2

No more, no less. Looking to get a Revo mini bag as well.

ANDREW TREAT- Right handed backhand...unless otherwise mentioned...

1 Star Destroyer 175-max distance, long straight distance
2 Pro Destroyer 175's- One more stable (newer) one less stable (older) For a plethora of throws...Distance rollers, long sidearm shots (300' for me)
1 CE FX 174- A slower disc for more accuracy on hyzers and sidearms alike...confidence disc...
2 Star TeeRexs 175- One beat, one new, for long hyzer shots that need more predictable turn ... HA!
1 Pro Wraith 175- Used to be max distance, now overshadowed by destroyer...needs to be removed...
1 Champion Firebird 175- For hyzer shots that I would want to throw the CE FX on, but there is risk of disc loss...
1 Champion Roadrunner 175- For sidearm rollers quick hyzer flips off the tee...
1 Red 05' Special Blend Roc 180?- For overstable tee and midrange shtos...
1 DX Kite 175- Threw amazingly well for some time, now it has lost its identity in my mind...I don't really feel where that disc is coming from you know?
1 Star Cro 171- for long and straight landing....not necessarily flight...

1 10x Kc Pro Aviar 173- Main putter...feeling a touch stiff when I play on cold mornings...I have been having more cutt-throughts probably going to incorporate this 91' Chains stamp or and Aviar-X (I like a 4x) soon as a cold weather alternative.
1 10x Kc Pro Aviar 175- The one I use when I don't feel confident in the other one....
1 12x Kc Pro Aviar 175- The aviar I will throw as an approach /drive when there is a chance to hit a tree...to preserve the 10x's...

Thats all that needs to be in there anyway...

I am thinking of bringing back the Super Gummy Champ Monster 175 for hyzer skips and cold weather use....

:D

2 - 173 Z Puttr
172 Z Comet
176 Z Comet
174 First Run Buzzz
174 Z Wasp
174 Cryzstal Challenger
174 Proline Squall
164 Spectra
168 Z-Tracker
168 Z-Surge
170 Proline Rogue
171 Glide
171 Avenger SS

2 - 166 Kitty Hawk
1 - 178 Pat. Pend. Aero
1 - 177 DX Aero
1 - 170 DX Roc (beat to a pulp)
1 - 180 DX Roc
2 - 171 CE Valk (1- 2nd & 1- 4th run)
1 - 174 SB Wraith
1 - 174 1st Run Z Crush
1 - 168 Pro Destroyer
1 - 169 Star Destroyer
2 - Bottles of Water

Possibly in the near future a couple of 165 Sonic (man they fly straight and stick in the chains. Just have to see how they react to 20+ mph winds from 100' and in)

from 7-25-07

2 175g Soft Magnet

178g Z Comet
176g 2nd 1st run Buzz
176g ESP Buzz
176g Z Buzz

175g ESP XL
175g Z Tsunami
175g Z Predator
2 175g Rogue
175g ESP Surge



I scrapped the Comet for a Z BUZZZ SS, lost my 2nd FR Buzzz :(, and lost the Z Tsunami :( (replaced with pro Tsunami). Besides that I'm throwing the same stuff...and people down here in FL claim that I change my discs too much!

175 First Run Pro Aviar
175 Medium Wizard
175 DX Ontario Roc
179 DX Rancho Roc
180 KC Pro Roc
175 DX Teebird
169 Champ Teebird
169 Star TL
171 CE Eagle
170 Star Eagle X
168 Champ Valkyrie
168 QOLF
169 Champ Firebird
166 Star Wraith

Why not, eh? Changed my mids to preserve my nice rocs from winter breakage.

2x Destroyers 1 Champ 1 Star
1x Teerex X
1x Star Firebird
2x Teebird 1 champ 1 star
2x Leopard 1 CE 1 Champ
2x Shockwave
3x Roc 2 DX 1 Champ
3x BB Aviars

Bag: Mini Revo w/ quads

175 Stiff Magnet (2)
175 Star Destroyer
175 Champ Sidewinder
180 10x Roc
180 New DX Roc (always keep a fairly new one in bag for stable midrange shots)
180 Beat to crap DX Roc
175 Champ Firebird
175 Star Max
175 Slightly beat Pro Wraith

E Speed Demon
SRP Raging Inferno (2 One new, one beat)
E Diablo DT (5)
E Inferno
SRP Inferno
E Blaze
H Hybrid
E Sabre
E Element-X
H Element-X
E Element (2)
Glow Wizard
E Wizard
SSS Wizard

Experimenting with the Eraser Wizards, and some Warlocks in the different plastics.

sweet, this is always fun.

Current bag:

175 Star Orc (go-to distance driver)
175 Pro Orc (less stable distance driver, great for wet days)
175 Millennium Orion LS (control + distance, turnovers, some rollers)
172 Sirius Orion LS (go-to roller)
175 Fly-dye Teebird (short accurate drives, fairly overstable)
170 Star Firebird (skips, forehands, overhands)
3x 175 Flat Top Rocs (full spectrum)
175 '06 Champ Glow Roc - overstable mid
175 Champ Whippet-x - REALLY overstable mid, forehands, skips
175 Star Aviar Driver - go-to approach disc, short drives
175 Star Aviar P&A - touchy/anhyzer/floater approaches
175 11x Aviar - caved-in top, smooth yet grippy plastic...mmmm. Flies nicely into chains.

Cold-n-Rainy additions:
175 CE Teebird - awesome, flat TB mold, almost as long as my Orc but has a much more comfortable feel, which goes a long way in nasty conditions.
175 3x JK Aviar - super floppy / gummy eraser-like plastic...used in place of the 11x in very cold weather only.

Auditioning: ESP Pulse, ESP Surge

3 dx spiders [2 170 and 1 150]
dx cro 172
champ gator 175

2 teebirds [168 dx and 173 star]

2 new dx wraiths [148 and 166]
2 172 star destroyers [1 new, 1 seasoned]

Drivers:
CE Eagle-L 175, Rollers
10x Eagle-X 175, turnover drives
STAR Eagle-X 175, stable-overstable driver
CE Eagle-X 175, overstable driver
Original Mold Ch Starfire 175, New
Original Mold Ch Starfire 175, Used
Original Mold Ch Starfire 175, Beat
STAR Leopard 175, Straight-turnover
CE Leopard 175, Turnover-rollers

Mid
STAR Coyote 180, approach shots
STAR Cro 175, slightly overstable mid
DX Ontario Roc 180, New
DX Ontario Roc 180, used
DX Ontario Roc 180, beat
05 SB Roc 180, the roc that does everything
05 Glow Ch Roc 180, overstable mid

Putters
STAR Cro 172, putting
1991 Aviar Putter 175, turnover-straddle putt

: ) :

<font color="blue"> 2 - 166 Kitty Hawk
1 - 178 Pat. Pend. Aero </font>
1 - 177 DX Aero
1 - 170 DX Roc (beat to a pulp)
1 - 180 DX Roc
2 - 171 CE Valk (1- 2nd &amp; 1- 4th run)
1 - 174 SB Wraith
1 - 174 1st Run Z Crush
1 - 168 Pro Destroyer
1 - 169 Star Destroyer
2 - Bottles of Water

Possibly in the near future a couple of 165 Sonic (man they fly straight and stick in the chains. Just have to see how they react to 20+ mph winds from 100' and in)



Now that's a smart man!!

Haven't done this in a while-

175 Ch Firebird
175 CE Firebird FL
171 Star Destroyer
175 Star Wraith
168 Star Wraith
175 Ch Teebird (Hard, domey)
171 Ch Teebird (Gummy, flat)
175 CE Leopard
171 CE Leopard (beat to hell)

175 Ch Gator
177 2nd First Run Buzzz
177 ESP Buzzz
180 DX Roc (beat to hell)

3 Soft Wizards

I'm pretty comfortable with this setup, except for my midranges. I dont completely trust the buzzz, especially in the wind. I used to throw all rocs but moved away when I lost my 2 year old, perfectly beat KC Roc and didnt have a good replacement one ready. I think I might need to go back to a lineup with 3 DX rocs in different states of wear.

more importantly this time of year in PA, whats ON my bag?... multiple coats of silicon based waterproofer, thats what!!!

inside....

150 Champion Firebird
169 Pro Wraith
167 SRP Inferno
171 WiDye FLX Surge
174 FLX Surge
172 Champion Sidewinder (new)
174 Champion Sidewinder (peppered)
170ish Elite-Z Wildcat (salt+peppered)
172 Star Teebird
167 Gummy Champion Leopard (THE GO TO)
180 WiDye '06 USDGC Star Pink Baby Roc X-Out
174 ESP Wasp
174 ESP Buzzz
174 FLX Buzzz
174 Medium Wizard
175 Bottom Stamp beadless Aviar
mini
extra car key
birdie bag
2 bottles of liquid refreshment

Starting with what's most important....


3 Pro D challengers(174), flippy, go 2 putter, driving putter
3 buzz(177), esp flippy, 1 2nd first run, 1 first run
1 drone(176), must for nebraska wind
3 fr. esp surges 2-174 1-167 max dist. driver, rollers
3 xl, z, esp, flx 169-171 straight, rollers, turnovers
3 preds, z, esp 172-174 hyzers, beat z is go to driver

175 Ch Firebird
175 Tsunami
175 Star Destroyer
175 Star Wraith
172 Ch Orc
172 Ch Sidewinder
175 Star Teebird
175 Star TL
175 Star Gator
180 DX Roc New
180 DX Roc
180 DX Roc
175 E Wizard New
175 E Wizard Beat
175 Soft Wizard for putting
175 Soft Wizard Beat

16 Discs, 11 Molds

172g Champion Monster
172g Star TeeRex
174g D XL
176g D Drone
176g Cryztal Buzzz
174g D Challenger

That's all I ever need...

175 Star Wraith
175 Star TeeRex
175 Star Teebird (Stable)
175 Star Teebird (Beat)
174 Star TL
172 Champion Roadrunner
174 Champion Firebird
174 Z-Predator (Beat)
174 Z-Predator (Stable)
180 Star Stingray (Autographed by D Vincent)
178 Z-Wasp
178 Z-Buzzz
175 Champion Gator
173 Quantum Aurora
172 Crystal Challenger
174 D Challenger (Beat)
174 D Challenger (New)

Testing
Star Destroyer, Esp Pulse

That's why I'll never caddy for you...

171 Champ Wraith ('06 CFR)
170 Champ Firebird (thumber only)
170 Champ Monster
174 Special Blend Orc ('06 AM Worlds)
175 Star Tee Rex
175 Star Destroyer
175 Champ Sidewinder
170 Champ Sidewinder

180 DX Roc
177 DX Roc (beat up, but not beat up enough :-)
180 DX Ontario Roc
180 Star Roc ('06 USDGC baby eagle)
175 5x JK Aviar (for mid-range only)

175 5x JK Aviar (for putting only)
175 5x JK Aviar (for backup)

Pretty much the same as last year.....

Listed from most to least stable, all are max weight:

1 Z-Xtreme (1st run)
2 Z-Preds
2 esp Surge (one 1st run, one regular run)
1 Z-Flash
1 esp SS avenger
1 Z-Wasp (1st run)
1 Z-Buzzz (1st run)
1 Holiday Buzzz (1st run)
1 Supercolor challenger
2 Swirlicious APX swirls

What's in the bag?!... um... thats a 40 of Schlitz sir but I was told i'd be ok as long as its in a brown paper bag.

oh... you meant the disc golf bag?!

thats a 6'er of PBR
it throws back fine at first but after a little while its gets me understable and flippy.

<font color="blue"> 173 Quantum Aurora </font> - Indian giver!!

Testing
Star Destroyer, Esp Pulse



Why are you testing discs when you're about to retire?

Hmmm.....

173 AviarX -short range driving and putting
169 Star Destroyer
174 Candy TeeBird
168 Pro Destroyer
174 Champion Viking
175 Squall
174 JLS - beat for rolling
175 Star Valkerie
175 Star Whippet X
172 12x Star Wraith

All in a Mini Revolution bag with Quad Shocks.

3 Firebirds
4-5 Valkyries
2 QJLS
3-4 Buzz's
2 Classic Rocs
1 Star Cro
Ch Spider
DX Aviar

171 Star Firebird.
171 Star Destroyer
175 Champion Wraith
175 Pro Wraith
175 Champ T-Bird
171 Star T-Bird
171 Star TL
175 Champ Leopard
180 Wasp
180 2004 Glo Champ Roc
180 DX Ching Roc Brand New
180 DX Ching Roc Nicely Beat
180 Ontario Ching Roc
175 SE Rhyno
175 First Run Star Rhyno
2- Bottom Stamp Aviar Putters

171 Star Firebird.
171 Star Destroyer
175 Champion Wraith
175 Pro Wraith
175 Champ T-Bird
171 Star T-Bird
171 Star TL
175 Champ Leopard
180 Wasp
180 2004 Glo Champ Roc
180 DX Ching Roc Brand New
180 DX Ching Roc Nicely Beat
180 Ontario Ching Roc
175 SE Rhyno
175 First Run Star Rhyno
2- Bottom Stamp Aviar Putters



all white!

Morley, La Mesa "Bag" (No bag, hand held):
1 Omega SS
1 Candy Roc (Thanks Cup!)
1 Champion Orc
1 Towel

General Tourney Bag: add
1 2001 USDGC Roc (Great in wind, sweet flight...freshy)
1 Proto Rancho Roc (Freshy...old one cracked last week :( )
1 KC TeeBird (Overstable)
1 "Calvert" TeeBird (Understable)
1 163g Sidewinder ("Rosy"...Long roller)
1 Beat Stingray (2001 MADC Short roller)
1 KC 9x Aviar (Down to my last 4)
1 KC Whippet (forehand roller= Paw Paw approach disc)
1 KC Firebird (Wind Driver or forehand roller)

Substitute various 10x-12x KC Rocs for USDGC/Proto-Rancho Rocs if course is rocky/woodsy/watery

Aviar DX P&amp;A (old -- Black)
Aviar Star P&amp;A
Aviar Star Driver
Roc DX Ontario
Roc DX Rancho x2
Roc Star Rancho USDGC
Roc CH Rancho USDGC
GatorX CH
Leopard Star
Teebird Star
Teebird KC CH
Teebird L Star
Beast Star
Beast CH
Wraith DX
Wraith Star
Destroyer Star
FireChicken Star

-- All RED, exept the old Aviar!

I am bored, so lets hear what everyone is carrying.



I'm bored, too, cuz my discs are sitting in the bag rather than flying thru the air :)

170 Star Leopard
175 Champion Leopard
173 Pro Starfire
175 Star Teebird
174 Dx Teebird
-
180 Dx Roc (beat beat)
180 Dx Roc (sorta beat)
180 Dx Roc (un-beat)
178 Z Buzz
180 Star Shark
175 Dx Gator
-
175 Champion Rhyno
175 Champion BB Aviar
2x 175 Star Aviar

Lost a few discs so here is my currrent setup.. a little light:

2x KC pro Aviar putter and overstable approach/drive
1x Aviar P&amp;A Flippy putter
1x D Buzzz- well beaten
1x DX Roc- don't want to lose my 1st run buzzzes
1x FLX Buzzz- almost lost twice on same hole today :(
3x DX Teebird Beat, slightly Beat, New
2x DX TeeRex Stable and Overstable so far. Replaced other Teerexes.
1x Candy Firebird Old Proline... overstable disc

Discs lost recently or taken out:
1x Star Teerex 175. Lost on hole 2 SoVi
1x Star Teerex 172.. Lost on Hole 2 SoVi
1x DX Teerex 175. Lost in leaves
1x Proline Monster. Lost throwing tomahawk, found so far.
1x DX aviar 175 Ace #6
2x 1st run Buzzz 174 and 178 Taken out... Not worth Losing


My Bag took a beating lately :(

-Scott Lewis

Worn in ESP Buzzz
Newish ESP Buzzz
FLX Buzzz
ESP Surge
FLX Surge
ESP XL
FLX Challenger
old Wizard

Just added:
ESP SS Avenger
ESP Meteor
Z Flick

1 KC Pro Aviar putter (black)
1 beat DX Aviar (blue)
1 12x KC Pro Roc (Stable)
1 San Marino '93 Doubles Stamp Roc (straight flyer)
1 Champion Gator
1 8x KC Pro Whippet
1 11x KC Pro Whippet
1 Star Whippet-X
1 CE Teebird
1 CE Leopard
1 Champion Panther (best disc ever)
1 Star TeeRex-X
1 Champion TeeRex-X (wow)
1 beat Star Wraith (understable)
1 Pro Destroyer (king masher)
1 Star Destroyer
1 Star Max (faster firebird)

After throwing all Discraft/DGA for a year I decided that I really missed the consistency and versatility of the Teebird and the speed and distance of the Wraith, so I'm back to a mixed bag.

2x old school 175 Soft Magnet (putting)
1x 175 ESP Banger-GT (putter driver)

1x 176 Z Buzzz SS (straight/turnover)
1x 176 2nd FR Z Buzzz (straight but not flippy)
1x 176 Z Buzzz (more overstable)

1x 175 ESP XL (straight/turnover/roller)
1x 175 Champion Teebird
1x 175 old plastic Tsunami (seasoned straight but not flippy)
2x 175 Z Predator (seasoned and new--hyzers and thumbers)
1x 175 Proline Rogue (flippy max D, touch D, rollers, etc)
1x 175 KC Star Wraith (hyzer max D, wind max D)

Soft Magnet
FLX Challenger
FLX Buzzz
FLX Avenger SS
FLX Surge
FLX Predator

...it's cold out :D

My bag hasn't changed much from last time except the Shockwave is in .

Reef - putter
JK Aviar X - approach/short drives
Titanic - overstable aproach/short hyzers
Stratus - beat, short roller
Shockwave - 1st Flight, straight midrange
Shockwave - 2nd run, overstable approach, hyzer drives, forehand
Squall - first run, fairway driver
Squall - poppy top, hyzers or S-turns
Tsunami - first run
Tsunami - Sparkle
Rogue - understable, long roller
Rogue - straight, long drives
SB Orc - tunnel shots
Firebird - Max weight champion, thumbers, tomahawks, forehand rollers.

I'm always trying new stuff in and out of the bag, these discs however always stay IN:

Star TeeBird
SB Orc
Beat Pro Wraith
Star Skeeter
Star Cro
Multiple Wizards

I've been whittling down the number of molds in my bag. With the exception of a couple discs that I'm trying out:

2- Aviar (meditation stamp) - putter
1- Rhyno - approach

3- Buzzz (1 ESP, 1 FLX, 1 Z) - awesome midrange
1- Wasp - overstable midrange

2- Sidewinder - pinpoint fairway driver and roller for 380'+
2- Teebird - main driver for 320' and less
3- Beast - turnover and huge distance driver (350 - 400)
2 Orc - Main driver for straight shots (350 - 400)

I'm putting my TeeRex's back in for headwind drivers and I'm trying out a FLX Surge and Z Crush

currently:
teerex (2) one beat, one new
firebird (2)
pro-line beast (magical)
teebird (star and champ)
roc (ching,kc pro)
aviar-x (2)

thinking about going gateway to this...
blaze
blurr
diablo dt
element-x
illusion
sabre
wizard

any suggestions? too many gateways? overlap in gateway?
thanks

as of yesterday...in descending order of stability nested within descending order of speed

175 pro destroyer
172 star destroyer
175 star teerex (kinda beat)
175 star wraith
175 special blend tulsa orc
171 star beast (beat)
174 star sidewinder

175 star teebird
174 star TL
174 CE TL (beat)
174 CE TL (ultra beat)

177 ESP wasp
177 ESP buzzz
177 D buzzz (kinda beat)
177 D buzzz (ultra beat)
170 Z breeze

175 SSS wizard
172 SS wizard (so beat that everyone laughs at it)
175 SSS warlock

For awhile I had a handspindle http://www.mielkesfarm.com/spindles.htm and fiber. I was learning to spin fiber into yarn and then later on proceeded to knit a stocking cap. It was stored in my small blue Gateway bag.

currently:
teerex (2) one beat, one new
firebird (2)
pro-line beast (magical)
teebird (star and champ)
roc (ching,kc pro)
aviar-x (2)

thinking about going gateway to this...
blaze
blurr
diablo dt
element-x
illusion
sabre
wizard

any suggestions? too many gateways? overlap in gateway?
thanks



If you want a disc by disc breakdown I would say your best bet is the following...

TeeRex= Blurr
Firebird= Spirit or Blaze (depending on preference)
Beast= Diablo DT (although I would compare it to an SL, and even a Sidewinder once broken in)
TeeBird= Hybrid or FX Sabre
Roc= Element X (new) or beat in Demon
Aviar-X= Wizard

But on the TeeBird issue, you could take an S Blaze and beat it to crap, or take a midweight one like in the mid 160's if you throw 170 weight range. I have been experimenting with a 162 S Blaze and when I throw it with hyzer the disc will flup up, go dead straight and then fade just barely at the end.

currently:
teerex (2) one beat, one new
firebird (2)
pro-line beast (magical)
teebird (star and champ)
roc (ching,kc pro)
aviar-x (2)

thinking about going gateway to this...
blaze
blurr
diablo dt
element-x
illusion
sabre
wizard

any suggestions? too many gateways? overlap in gateway?
thanks



There's no real reason to commit to one brand. IMO the Spirit is probably the best disc on the market in its niche (if you like the grip, which I have personal difficulties with), the Diablo is a bomber (but the plastic...), the Illusion proved its potential at the USDGC distance contest (but GG is a mutant and there are a lot more crappy Illusions on the market plastic-wise than good ones, but this seems to be changing)and the Wizard and Warlock are both worth a go (GREAT plastics). Beyond that I think that Discraft and Innova have more versatile and popular discs to fill your other needs. I am fairly non-biased and have thrown every Gateway, Innova, and Discraft mold on the market. Don't limit your game or your fun by trying only one brand of discs! :cool:

agreed, although i haven't honestly thrown much gateway.
I wouldn't get locked into one company's discs unless you were sponsored.
I like Innova's Drivers, but Prefer the Buzzz as my midrange. I also like BB Aviars, but they aren't common in DX so i might switch to the Challenger. If i were locked into Innova I'd have to beat up a roc everytime i lost one and i'd be spending extra for tourney stamped DX BB's.

Throw what you like and what works for you.

BTW. Current bag:
2x KC pro aviar, 1x DX aviar
1x D Buzzz, 1x DX Roc, 1x FLX BUZZZ,
2x DX Teebird, 1x Star Teebird, 2x DX Teerex, 1x Candy Firebird

-Scott Lewis

2 170 dx spiders [putts and approaches, open grip]
1 170 dx cro [powergrip shots to about 275]
1 175 champ gator [hyzer/sidearm approaches]

2 teebirds- 167 dx and 172 star [any shot 275-340ish]

1 165 dx wraith [longer dx teebird]
2 destroyers- 168 pro and 171 star [long star tee/wind/thumber/hyzer]

Bag: Revolution Team Carolina

Drivers:

170g EXP-1 1.7
167g Quantum Orion LF
168g Sirius Orion LF
168g Sirius Orion LS
167g Sirius JLS
167g Quantum JLS

Mid-range:

177+g Q-Sentinel
177+g QMS - Stiff
177+g QMS - Gummy
177+g Sirius MS

Putters:
175g Q-Mega
175g SS Omega

Drivers:

1 - Star TeeRex
2 - FLX Surge
1 - 11x Teebird
1 - 10x Teebird
1 - Star TL
1 - Pro Teebird-L

Midrange:
2 - 10x Roc
3 - 11x Roc

Putter:
2 - Black 12x Aviar

i am testing a few discs and the assassin will be entered in there when they come in but here it is as of now

Drivers:
E blast DT
E Spirit
Nike Spirit
E Illusion
Nike Sabre
E Sabre
Diablo DT
SRP T-bone
SRP Inferno
E Scream DT

MIDS:
E Element
S Element-x
S Demmon
E Demon (x mold)

Putters:
Medium Warlock (putting)
E Warlock (everything else)

Revolution Backpack Bag in Camo

175 SB Orc
160 Champ Orc
168 Z Sparkle Rogue
174 Z Predator
166 1st Run Z Predator
175 2nd Run CE Leopard New
170 2nd Run CE Leopard Beat
180 Champ Glow Roc * New Addition*
178 1st Run Z Buzzz
176 Z Buzzz SS * New Addition*
175 S Element Beat
174 01 CE Aviar * New Addition*
175 Soft Wizard
175 Aviar P &amp; A New
175 Aviar P&amp; A Beat
175 Aviar P &amp; A Putter

This is crazy reading over a post of mine from almost 5 years ago and seeing how things have changed!! If anyone can find an old post of theirs, let us know where those discs are!

See comments below about where those discs are now for me.


CE firebird FX - <font color="red"> lost at Castle Hayne Park in Decemeber of 2005 </font>
Pro Monster - <font color="red"> sold to Mike Hofmann</font>
Pro Beast - <font color="red"> in the closet </font>
Glo CE eagle (no joke) - <font color="red"> worn out, still throwing this mold though </font>
4th Run CE Eagle - <font color="red">HA! I threw a roller on 18 at Winthrop and it cut down the hill and went down the dock in the water! </font>
4th Run CE Leopard <font color="red"> still in the bag </font>
Teebird <font color="red"> no clue </font>
Leopard <font color="red"> no clue </font>
Cobra <font color="red"> in the lake at Cedar Hills in Raleigh </font>
CE Spider <font color="red"> no longer in the bag, but I still have it. It's an ace disc for me </font>
11 X KC Roc <font color="red"> not sure which one this was, I have about 50 </font>
10 X KC Roc <font color="red"> That one I remember, although I got like 50 of these two. Broken :sad: </font>
Ching Flat Top Roc <font color="red"> Broken </font>
2 DX Rocs <font color="red"> 1 is warped to crap now the other is way to old to throw</font>
Rhyno <font color="red"> still have it, but I hate Rhynos now </font>
3 Aviar Putt and Aprroachs <font color="red"> 1 was a putter for me and it's broke. The other 2, not sure </font>
Big Bead Avair <font color="red"> lost on hole 7 at Hornests Nest at the 2006 Charlotte Open </font>

Revolution Backpack Bag in Camo

175 SB Orc
160 Champ Orc
168 Z Sparkle Rogue
174 Z Predator
166 1st Run Z Predator
175 2nd Run CE Leopard New
170 2nd Run CE Leopard Beat
180 Champ Glow Roc * New Addition*
178 1st Run Z Buzzz
176 Z Buzzz SS * New Addition*
175 S Element Beat
174 01 CE Aviar * New Addition*
175 Soft Wizard
175 Aviar P &amp; A New
175 Aviar P&amp; A Beat
175 Aviar P &amp; A Putter


Old Bag:
#128301 - <font color="red"> 01/07/04 03:46 PM </font>
(2) 163 11x Teebird
168 11x Teebird
169 CE Teebird
(2) 161 Champion Beast
169 CE Valkyrie
150 CE Valkyrie
166 Candy Viking
163 Candy Viking
160 CE Firebird
169 10x Banshee
170 CE Leopard
170 CE Spider
175 DX Aviar
171 CE Aviar
175 Omega SS 1.8 Putter
171 Omega SS 1.8 Putter
All in a Red Gateway Backpack Bag

4/27/2006:
149g white DX Wraith <font color="red">lost at Maple Hill #1</font>
150g yellow STAR Sidewinder <font color="red">lost at Loriella #5</font>
149g pink Champion Firebird <font color="red">lost at Hawk Hollow #12 just two weeks ago</font>
150g green Champion Teebird
150g orange Champion Banshee <font color="red">lost at Hawk Hollow #16</font>
148g blue Proline (Champion) Leopard
167g ice clear Champion Whippet
165g white STAR Gremlin
150g white DX Gremlin <font color="red">retired</font>
171g blue DX Gremlin <font color="red">broken at Pratt #13, pieces now on my wall</font>
171g white 10x KC Aviar <font color="red">retired</font>
150g orange 4x JK Aviar-x <font color="red">lost my taste for it, now on my wall</font>
175g cream 3x JK Aviar-x

1/29/2008
149g orange DX Wraith
150g blue DX TeeRex
150g white STAR Sidewinder
149g orange Champion Firebird
150g green Champion Teebird <font color="red">still in bag from 4/27/2006</font>
146g white Champion Banshee
148g blue Proline (Champion) Leopard <font color="red">still in bag from 4/27/2006</font>
167g ice clear Champion Whippet <font color="red">still in bag from 4/27/2006</font>
170g teal Proline (Champion) Gremlin
165g white STAR Gremlin <font color="red">still in bag from 4/27/2006</font>
167g red DX Gremlin
171g baby blue swirl DX Gremlin
171g white 11x KC Aviar
171g black 12x KC Aviar
150g red DX Goblin
175g cream 3x JK Aviar-x <font color="red">still in bag from 4/27/2006</font>

From 2005:

1 Z Flick 175 <font color="red"> Lost in the woods at dusk</font>
1 CE Firebird FL 172 <font color="red"> Still in the bag! </font>
1 Champ. Orc 171 <font color="red"> Lost it and someone sold it on ebay </font>
1 Pro Orc 172 <font color="red"> Worn out </font>
1 CE Eagle 175 <font color="red"> Sold </font>
1 Champ. Eagle 164 <font color="red"> Stopped throwing it, in storage </font>
1 Champ Teebird 172 <font color="red"> Still in the bag! </font>
1 Pro Teebird 172 <font color="red"> Lost at West Park in the woods </font>
1 CFR Glow Starfire 173 <font color="red"> Lost in the pond at the HOMIE </font>
1 Pro Starfire 172 <font color="red"> Worn out </font>
1 JK Valk 172 <font color="red"> Stopped throwing it, in storage </font>
1 Champ. Sidewinder 171 <font color="red"> Traded for an orc </font>
1 Special Blend Roc 180 <font color="red"> Still in the bag! </font>
1 Beat KC Roc 177 <font color="red"> Left it sitting on the ground at Mokena </font>
1 Champ. Whippet 174 <font color="red"> Lost in the grass at Round Lake </font>
1 Hard Wizard 174 <font color="red"> Worn out </font>
1 Soft Wizard 174 <font color="red"> Still in the bag! </font>


...whew

[/QUOTE]

Guess it's time to update...

1 E Spirit
2 SRP Raging Inferno's
3 Diablo DT's
1 E Inferno
1 SRP Inferno
1 E Blaze
1 S Blaze
1 E Assassin
1 E Element-X
1 H Element-X
2 E Element's
1 Superglow Wizard
1 SSS Wizard
1 Superglow Warlock
1 SSS Warlock

Trying to figure out if I want to take out the Diablo's or Inferno's. Both get me the same distance, but both have different feel's which I love. Probably the Inferno's so I can make room for more Assassins!

originally posted 5/11/06
Drivers:
Ch. Starfire <font color="red"> still in the bag </font>
Ch. Starfire <font color="red"> still in the bag </font>
STAR SL distance <font color="red">replaced with Champion SL </font>
11x Eagle <font color="red"> replaced with STAR Eagle </font>
10x Eagle(new) <font color="red"> now beat, still in the bag </font>
9x Eagle(beat) <font color="red"> lost at the Meadow </font>
CE EL(beat) <font color="red"> still in the bag </font>
STAR Firebird <font color="red"> out of the bag </font>

Mid:
Ch. Coyote <font color="red"> replaced with STAR Coyote </font>
DX Coyote(trying out and loving) <font color="red"> never made the cut </font>
05 SB Roc go to disc <font color="red"> still in the bag, still flies the same </font>
05 SB Roc(new) <font color="red"> waiting for the other one to beat in </font>
Ching Roc(beat): Grenade, roller, chickenwing <font color="red"> cracked in New Bern throwing a grenade </font>
Ching Roc(new) acing <font color="red"> punctured by a thorn at the meadow during the 2006 DEPC </font>
Ch. Shark <font color="red"> out of the bag </font>
STAR Aviar: hyzer <font color="red"> replaced by STAR Cro </font>
DX Aviar(new): getting beat <font color="red"> stopped driving with putters, in a box somewhere </font>
DX Aviar(beat): controlled turns, touch chickenwings(&lt;250) <font color="red"> stopped driving with putter,s in a box somewhere </font>

Putters:
2 '91 Aviar Putters <font color="red"> 1 in the bag one in the practice box </font>

: ) :

With the Force I'm back to all Discraft...

2-175g Soft Magnet--Putters beat and new
1-175g ESP Banger GT--Piggish approach/drives

1-177g Z Buzz SS--Straight and turnover mid
2-177/178g ESP Buzz--Stable mids
1-177g Shockwave--overstable mid

1-174g ESP Avenger SS--turnover/roller
1-175g Tsunami--early run broken-in like 10x Teebird
2-175g Z Predator--seasoned and new for hyzers

2-175g ESP Flash--1 domey/straight,1 flat/ovrstbl accurate D
2-175g ESP Force--Overstable/slightly understable Max D

Thining it out a bit

2x SB ORC or 2x ESP Flash. Can't decide. All distance duties

2x Teebird 10xKC- Most drives

1x CE TL 1st run- Straight and understable or rolling

4x KC Roc 10&amp;11x- All Mids and short drives

4x Wizards- All P&amp;A True proto, chalky proto, SSS, M Glo

I throw a Teerex X or spirit in the bag depending on wind/course. Sannys are out of the bag. We haven't been getting along that well lately

Took out some, and put some back in...

E Spirit
SRP Raging Inferno (one new, one beat)
E Inferno (2)
E Blaze
E Sabre FX (2)
E Element-X (2)
E Element (2)
Glow Wizard
SSS Wizard
Glow Warlock
SSS Warlock

175 magnet - beat - main putter
175 magnet - normal wear - 2nd putter
175 magnet - new- approach and short drives
175 challenger - approach

176 esp buzzz
176 z buzzz
175 meteor
175 z X2
174 first run esp crush (x2)
174 z crush
175 first run flick
1new 1old and 1superbeat 175 surges
174 tsunami
175 star destroyer
168 star destroyer
174 esp avenger ss

just added (will replace other discs)
175 esp force
175 esp force (crazy stable)
175 flx surge ss

Getting the bag ready for Bowling Green:

Drivers:
STAR Destroyer - pure distance
CFR Starfire-F(new)
CFR Starfire-F(beat)
CE Eagle-X - headwind driver
STAR Eagle - go to driver
STAR Leopard - straight, turnover
CE Leopard - turnover, roller
Ch Firebird - big wind

Midrange:
DX Cro - trying out
STAR Cro - overstable mid
Ch Gremlin
05 SB Roc - go to disc
05 SB Roc - backup
05 Ch. Glow Roc - overstable mid
DX Aviar P&amp;A - upshots

Putters:
STAR Cro - primary putter
STAR Cro - extra for warmup
1991 Aviar Putter - turnover putt, straddle

: ) :

3 Wizards (new Soft for putting, thrashed SS for jumps and upshots, Beat in glow medium for short drives)
3 Rocs (thrashed dx for upshots, finesse and turnovers, broken in dx for most lines, newish kc for hyzers and wind)
2 XLs (broken in D for hyzer flips and turnovers, Broken in Z for straight shots)
2 Avengers (broken in X for most shots, new X for windy conditions)
1 Flash (broken in ESP for distance)
2 Spirits (Broken in E for most overstable needs, new Flat top E for skips, spikes, and throwing in tornadoes)

I have carried everything at one point or another, and with all the new plastic out, my bag has been a bit experiemntal - but heres whats in it right now.

DX Aviar - stable, main putter
DX Aviar - beat in, turnover approach/drive
Star Aviar - stable, 200-250 backhand driver
Champ Gator - forehand approach
Z Buzzz - strait, 200-400 control backhands

10X KC Pro Eagle - stable, backhand hyzers
11X KC Pro Eagle - strait, backhand control
Champ Eagle - strait, backhand rollers
CE Eagle-L - flippy, backhand/forehand rollers
Star Starfire - stable, number one forehand driver
CFR Starfire - strait, number two forehand driver
CFR Starfire - flippy, forehand roller, turnover
Star Teebird - strait, backhand distance
Champ Teebird - stable, distance hyzers
Star TeeRex - stable, backhand max d
Star TeeRex - stable, forehand max d
KC Pro Banshee - stable, forehand control
KC Pro Gazelle - strait, long forehand approach
Pro Wraith - flippy, super long turnovers (450+)
Glo Champion Orc - stable, distance alternative
Champ Firebird - stable, forehand hyzer
Champ Firebird - crazy stable, specialty disc

Yeah - I carry a lot of discs, and it looks like I have multiple of each type of throw, but I assure you, they perform differently and I am very atune to their flights. That and I'm a disc fiend.



Wow - looking at that now I realize what a typical AM I was at the time :DI also didn't have a soft backhand, something that I've been working on a lot in the last year. I still carry at least twenty discs, but things are much more balanced and varied throughout the bag.

Star Classic Roc (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/classicroc.html) - main putter
Champion Classic Roc (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championClassicroc.html) - back up putter, stable approach under 200�
Star Skeeter (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starskeeter.html) - understable backhand, turnover backhand 200'- 275'
DX Coyote (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/coyote.html) - under stable approach, very beat
Star Coyote (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starcoyote.html) - strait to slightly turned backhands for about 200'-300'
Champion Roc (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championRoc.html) - stable to strait backhands 250'-300'
1st Run Champ Gator (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/cfrchgator.html) - forehand approach, short range driver

Star Whippet (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/prowhippet.html) - stable b/f for about 200'-300' range
Star TL (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/startl.html) - beat in, very strait/turnover backhand driver
Champion Banshee (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championBanshee.html) - predictable forehand driver

Star Max (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starmax.html) - stable forehand driver
Star Max (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starmax.html) - beat in, very strait with a nice fade
CFR Starfire (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championStarfire.html) - beat in for strait sidearms with a slight turn
Star Starfire (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starstarfire.html) - distance and control, a bit more stable than a teerex/destroyer
Proto Star TeeRex (Star Stamp) (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starteerex.html) - forehand distance
DX TeeRex (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/teerex.html) - stiff, stable, huge power hyzers
Star Destroyer (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/stardestroyer.html) - 169 grams of pure turnover distance baby!
CFR Destroyer (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/stardestroyer.html) - my latest go to for distance and predicatability off the tee
Star Valkyrie (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/starvalkyrie.html) - 162 gram roller

Not In the Bag at the Moment:

Champion Eagle (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championEagle.html) - stable, hyzer backhands
Champion Firebird (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championFirebird.html) - safety driver, skip forehands
Champion Leopard (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championLeopard.html) - turnover driver both F/B

more importantly this time of year in PA, whats ON my bag?... multiple coats of silicon based waterproofer, thats what!!!

inside....

150 Champion Firebird
169 Pro Wraith
167 SRP Inferno
171 WiDye FLX Surge
174 FLX Surge
172 Champion Sidewinder
174 Champion Sidewinder (peppered)
170ish Elite-Z Wildcat
172 Star Teebird
167 Gummy Champion Leopard (THE GO TO)
180 WiDye '06 USDGC Star Pink Baby Roc X-Out
174 ESP Wasp
174 ESP Buzzz
174 FLX Buzzz
174 Medium Wizard
175 Bottom Stamp beadless Aviar
mini
extra car key
birdie bag
2 bottles of liquid refreshment



so the bag now has:

167 Star Firebird
150 Champion Firebird
170 HI-Flex Diablo DT
174 FLX Surge
166 FLX Surge
172 Star Teebird
166 Assassin
167 SRP Inferno
174 Champion Sidewinder (peppered)
170 Champion Roadrunner
170 Star Whippet - Pyramids Double Stamp
180 WiDye'd '06 USDGC Star Pink Baby Roc
174 Elite-Z Wasp
174 FLX Buzzz w/ Eazy E Straight Outta PA dye :cool:
174 Medium Wizard
175 Proto Chalky Black Warlock

Bowling Green Bag


Revolution Backpack Bag in Camo

175 SB Orc
160 Champ Orc
168 Z Sparkle Rogue
174 Z Predator
166 1st Run Z Predator
168 Star FL
170 2nd Run CE Leopard Beat
170 Star Roadrunner
180 Champ Glow Roc
178 1st Run Z Buzzz
176 FLX Drone
176 Z Extreme
175 Soft Wizard New
175 Soft Wizard Used
175 Aviar P &amp; A New
175 Aviar P &amp; A Putter

in the ultimate of crappy irony... I was finally going to post on this thread since i'm actually carrying a real bag now (just got my first 'real' bag couple weeks ago @ earlewood (innova competition gray)...

well i go out to my truck to get my bag and post what i've got and its gone... it was stolen and now my list goes from what is in my bag to what I lost... because I had to compile it for our area guys to keep an eye out for I figured i'd still post it here.

-Silver Metal Mini (Cam Yards Sharpshooter 2005)
-New Green Cryztal buzz (white stamp/lettering from somewhere in Michigan?... something mills?)
-Red Cryztal buzzz
-Green Cryztal buzzz
-NEW red z wasp
-NEW yellow z wasp
-2007 ace race orange impact (ace of spades design)
-Orange/red z buzzz
-White Star Max
-Yellow first run Star Destroyer (star stamp design)
-Clear Champ Firebird (dyed by myself w/ 'superchicken' on it)
-NEW orange FLX Surge SS
-NEW yellow Z Surge (bull city stamp)
-NEW orange esp FORCE (yeah... the one that was given to team members)

and of course my actual bag, straps, other minis, towels and other stuff in the bag.

i'll have to figure out what i'm throwing this weekend in the tourney now and hopefully a little down the road I can post another 'whats in the bag' thread w/ actual discs I have.

ESP Pred
Z Tsunami
2 ESP Forces
2 ESP Surges
Proline Rogue
ESP Wasp
2 2nd 1st Run BUZZZs 1 Stable one not
2 ESP Comets 1 Stable 1 not
CryZtal Z Challenger
2 Z Flicks for Sidearm and Overhand
2 Cam Todd Challengers for Putting!!!

Soon to be adding a less stable Force and taking out one of the Super Stable ones......Also will be adding 2 ESP SS Avengers for Rollers!!!

big list here... it changes depending on layout but this is what i got in the bag now.
star destroyer
pro lepard
elitet z wildcat
pro wraith
avenger
dx gazelle
dx gazelle (so beat up its better than a stingray)
champ roadrunner
champ sidewinder
old [censored] comet
esp comet
kc pro roc
jk pro avair x
dx spider all beat up
champ classic roc
s wizard beat up
s wizard newish
dx roc
dx XD
dx aviar
glow magic
evo wizard

i have tons on outher random stuff laying around the house... pm me if yor looking for a trade.

8 more inches of snow. :mad:

8 more inches of snow. :mad:


When is this snow going to end, I got 12 inches or so where I live. Yesterday I was playing in shorts, a half a day later I need snowpants. Thats wisconsin for ya...
anyways...
10x kc pro eagle 174
10x kc pro eagle 174
ce eagle 175
se cheetah 174
se cheetah 174
elite x storm 177
dx xd 175

I used to throw rocs instead of the storm, but I like the storm much better now.

Star Max
Star XCalibur
Star TeeRex
CFR Destroyer
Star Wraith
FLX Surge
Elite Z Avenger
Champ Beast
Star Sidewinder
Star Stingray
KC Pro Roc
Sparkle Rogue
ESP Buzzz
Star Cro
Elite Z Wasp
Star Aero
2 Soft Banger GT

1 174 Champion Firebird (new)
2 174 Star Teebird (new, used)
2 174 Pro Destroyer (new, used)
3 174 Pro Wraith (new, used, beat)
1 174 Star Sidewinder (used)
1 174 KC Whippet (used)
2 180 KC Roc (new, used)
2 180 DX Roc (used, beat)
3 175 JK Aviar (new, new, used)

Star Teebird
SB Orc
Champion Firebird
Champion TeeRex-X
Star Skeeter
Star Cro
and a couple wizards

10X Aviar (175) - Putter
11X Aviar (175)
4X JK Beat (175)
Champ Gator (175)
10X Roc (180)
Glo Champ Roc (179)
Champ Stingray (180)
Pro-Line Leopard (175)
10X KC Gazelle (175)
11X KC Banshee (175)
Champ Wraith (170)
Star Max (175)
Star TeeRex (172)
Champ Sidewinder (170)

Went back to my old bag Set up

Pred
Tsunami
New Z Avenger
beat Z Avenger
Avenger SS
Wasp
2nd 1st Run Huk BUZZZ
Beat 2nd 1st Run BUZZZ'
Comet
CryZtal Challenger
Pro D Challenger
2 Cam Todds for Putting!!!

Utility Disc
2 Z Flicks 1 heavy 1 light
2 Forces for long hyzers and distance headwind shots!!!

Backhand:
1 ESP Wasp
2 Buzz (ESP and beat up Z)
2 XL's (ESP old Elite X)
1 Z Avenger
1 ESP Avenger SS
1 ESP Predator
2 ESP Surge

Forehand and Utility:
3 Z Flicks (used for overhands, up-shots and spike hyzers)
1 Crush (utility)
1 Tracker (accuracy)
1 Force (distance)

Putters:
3 UV or Soft Challengers (1 for putting and 2 throwing)

19 total Discs

2-esp forces
2-Z preds
1esp avenger
1esp surge
2-Wasps(1z/1esp)
2-buzz(iz/1esp)
3-Esp Banger GT
1-soft banger gt

3x SB Orcs
2x KC Teebirds
1x CE TL
5x KC Rocs
3x Wizards

Trying out ESP Perdator, Star Firebird, and Star Xcaliber for my overstable alot. TL is out once I beat in a Teebird. my most simple bag in quite some time. Still deciding between Orcs and Flashes.

Star Wraith
Star Max
Star Teerex
Star Teebird
KC Pro Eagle x
Star TL
KC Pro Roc
S Radius

I alomost always carry a backup...

2x Star Excaliburs - 172g
2x Star Destroyers - 171g
2x Star Maxs - 171g &amp; 175g
2x Pro Firebirds - 173g (The candy ones)
2x KC Pro Banshees - 174g
1x KC Pro Teebird - 174g
2x Star Whippets - 175g
1x Star Cro - 175g
2x JK Aviar-x - 175g

Yeah ... I throw forehand.

Added some stuff for experimentation...

E Spirit
SRP Raging Inferono (2)
E Illusion (experimenting)
E Inferno (2)
E Assassin (2)
E Blaze
E Sabre FX (2)
E Element-X (2)
E Element (2)
Glow Wizard
Glow Warlock
SSS Wizard
SSS Magic
SS Magic (Experimenting)

Considering retiring the Inferno once I work this Illusion in, but not quite ready to give it up.

Star Destroyer
Champ Destroyer
DGA Rogue
2x Champ Orc
2x Champ Firebird
SB Roc
3x DX Rocs
DX Ontario Roc
4x Wizards

Star Max
Star Monster
Star Firebird
Star TeeRex
2 Star Teebirds
Star TL

2 Champion Sharks
1 dx Roc
1 11x roc

2 10x Aviars
1 12x Aviar
1 PA Aviar

Star TeeRex (175)
Star Destroyer (175)
Champ Orc (175)
Assassin (173)
Assassin (177) (illegal)
2X Pro Rogue (174)
Sparkle Rogue (172)
Champ Leopard (172)
Z X2 (173)
Champ Roadrunner (172)
FLX Drone (177)
Star Cro (175)
Omega SS (175)

The frame in my revolution back pack bag is broken and then taped and now about to be replace for the summer.
Should I replace it or go without it?
No it's not about the $15 it's about the comfort.

I would replace it. I have one from BlindCrow. Aluminum cross bars and ends, plus it has bars across the top to help the bag keep its shape. I'll post some pictures when I get home, but I think it's head and shoulders above the plastic frame the bags come with.

I would replace it. I have one from BlindCrow. Aluminum cross bars and ends, plus it has bars across the top to help the bag keep its shape. I'll post some pictures when I get home, but I think it's head and shoulders above the plastic frame the bags come with.



Sounds interesting...those Revo rollcages are crap. My first one broke when I put it together. My second one I was super careful with when I put it together. It was cracked after a couple of rounds, and in several pieces after a couple months. I figured it was pointless to try and get another crappy one. I've been using an old Gateway frame, but it is a little too small for my bag.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1278/4346256/9166646/313615702.jpg
I added the wooden dowel rod to give me more support for the top section since that's where I carry my putters. Even with the top bars I can fit 15+ discs in the main compartment and have little trouble pulling out the discs on the ends.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1278/4346256/9166646/313615701.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1278/4346256/9166646/313615700.jpg

The back and front of the frame look identical with the two cross bars. It came with a center divider that was held in place by the o-rings, but I don't use it. The frame is really light, probably only a couple ounces heavier than the plastic version, and it works very well. It's been in my bag since I got it, about 1.5 yrs and I've had no problems.
BlindCrow (Paul?) can be found on this board. At least that's where I found him. Chase from Iron Lion may know, I believe he has one of his frames.

Thanks for the pics!!
Where can I get one??

BlindCrow (Paul?) can be found on this board. At least that's where I found him. Chase from Iron Lion may know, I believe he has one of his frames.



I would ask Chase from Iron Lion, as I believe he actually knows the dude. Like I said, I tracked him down through this board and emailed him a few times, but haven't had any contact since I got the frame over a year ago.
Sorry I can't be of more help.

Haven't done this in a while

Champ Firebird - thumbers, head wind, some drives
Star Max - sidearm, shots I can't reach with a firebird
CFR Glo Eagle - main hyzer driver
Star Wraith - distance head wind, skip shots
Champ Orc (3) - Stable - hyzer distance - Somewhat beat - straight distance, holes that fall off left at the end - Flippy - Turnover distance, uphill, pure distance
CFR TL - Filler disc for shots in that 330 range that need to go straight 90% of the flight, then hyzer
CE Leopard (3) - medium range short, primary anny driver, technical rollers, corkscrew thumbers
10X Teebird - hyzer flip disc
11X Roc - extreme S shots, head wind, short hyzers
10X Roc (3) - Stable - primary hyzer midrange - very flippy - tail winds, hyzer flips - VERY flippy - medium range rollers, used on holes where most people throw sidearms
ESP Buzzz - longer midrange hyzers - mostly used in woods
X Buzzz - longer midrange straight - mostly used in woods
X Wasp - main straight midrange - longer midrange turnovers in woods
Orig. Ontario Roc - primary anny roc
Champ Shark - head wind, touch S shots
10X Aviar (2) - new - primary stable aviar, head wind - Beat in - technical shots, go about 240 and then hyzer soft
Big Bead Aviar (2) - Primary driving avias - one flips late, one goes straight - primarily used in the woods
11X Aviar - a very technical disc - not much use - pretty much a shot where I release with anny and I need glide
Glo P&amp;A Aviar - hyzer flip aviar
P&amp;A Aviar (2) - both very beat - extreme hyzer flips, short range rollers, almost all approaches, both for putting

4 10x rocs
4 10x aviars

(2)Bottom Stamped Black Aviars (Putting)
(1)Black Small Bead Aviar (Approach Shots / &lt;200' Drives)
(1)Black 11X KC Aviar (Approach Shots / &lt;200' Drives)
(1)OLD BEAT Gummy Shark (Approach Shots Straight to Right)
(3)DX Rocs (Beat to Differant Stablities, &lt;350' Drives)
(1)2001 CE Roc
(1)Q-Sentinel (Over Stable Mid-Range)
(1)Glow TeeBird (Go Anywhere Driver)
(1)Star Firebird (Hyzer Driver)
(1)Star Max (Windy, Long Hyzer)
(1)Champion Moster (Trick Shots, FAST Hyzer)
(2)Star TeeRex (Long Shots)
(1)Star Destroyer (Longer Shots)
(1)Star Xcaliber (Windy, Longer Shots)
(1)Star Sidewinder

175 g KC Pro Roc
Elite-X Storm (PDGA)
175 g Elite-X Buzzz
176 g Z-Buzzz
168 g CH Wraith
171 g Sirius Orion LF
171 g Star Orc
170 g DX Destroyer
170 g Star FL
172 g Champion Beast
172 g Star Valkyrie
171 g Pro Valkyrie
170 g Pro Destroyer
174 g ESP XL
173 to 174 g D.G.A Striped

(2) Soft Challengers
(1) Crystal Buzz
(1) Z Buzz
(1) Z Wasp
(1) Champion Panther
(3) Champion Leopards
(3) Champion TeeBirds
(1) Champion Banshee
(1) Star Valkerie
(1) Rogue
(1) Star Roadrunner
(2) ESP Surges
(1) Flx Surge

I'm trying (very passively) to find a less stable fast driver to replace the three I currently have. Other than that, this might be the first long term bag set-up I have had.

(2) 175 Star Orc - one domey, stable - one flat, slightly understable
175 CE Teebird - 3rd run I think...very flat, dead straight
175 Fly-dye Champ Teebird - kinda domey, overstable TB
175 Elite Z Predator - recent addition, liking it a lot more than my old Champ &amp; Star Firebirds
170 Sirius Orion LS - beaten, big turnovers, rollers
175 Champ Eagle-x - pretty much only for thumbers

(4) 175 Flat-top Roc - from beaten to brand new, full spectrum of mid shots
175 Champion Whippet-x - short spikes, forehands, skips

175 Star Aviar P&amp;A - well used, gentle/floaty upshots, anny upshots
175 12x KC Aviar - one of the flat ones, stable, used for most approach shots
175 Black 12x KC Aviar - one of the "real" black ones (not marbled dark grey)...grippy, flat. Go-to putter.

Probably going to audition a Teerex soon for more stable big D. Also might throw the ol' Champ Roc back in there...

If you want a less stable, max D. driver try the Avenger SS, Diablo DT, or Beast.

If you want a less stable, max D. driver try the Avenger SS, Diablo DT, or Beast.



I've always liked Discraft drivers, so I naturally want to try the Avenger SS. At the last tournament, I planned on buying two, but they didn't have any. Oh well.

1 ESP + 1 Z Predator - 174g
2 ESP + 1 Flx Surge - 173g
1 ESP Avenger SS - 170g

1 DGA Shockwave - 174g
1 ESP Impact - 173g

2 D Magnets - 174g
1 Z Magnet - 175g

Do you think I need a fairway driver? I drive RHFH primarily.

If you can park everything then no. My fairway drivers see less and less action every tournament, not realy because of big driving, but because I have enough distance to where I can throw midranges in their place.

1 ESP + 1 Z Predator - 174g
2 ESP + 1 Flx Surge - 173g
1 ESP Avenger SS - 170g

1 DGA Shockwave - 174g
1 ESP Impact - 173g

2 D Magnets - 174g
1 Z Magnet - 175g

Do you think I need a fairway driver? I drive RHFH primarily.



Avengers and Predators are Discraft's fairway drivers, they are just faster than Innova's. I can't believe you throw forehand and don't have a Force...

I do, but I decided to put off giving it a permanent position in my bag. I don't know man, I can't seem to get the Force to fly consistently for me yet. I was over at Tinicum Park in PA today, and it was all over the place. Granted conditions were very windy, but I'm just not confident with it yet.

1- Force white (domey) 174
1- Xcaliber lime green (non first run) 175
2- Firebirds 1 176 star 1 168 ce fx (NB / Barry Schultz)
2- Teebirds 1 175 star 1 175 champ
2- Leopards both 172 1 new red ce 1 yellow ce (beat)
1- whippet x star 175
4- Rocs new 12X too flippy 8X all 4 180
1- first run Buzzz 176
3- kc pro 11x aviars all 175 new to flippy
2- Black 12x kc aviars (just for putting) 175
1- wizard 174

Current quiver.....

Z-Xtreme
Z-Pred (x 2)
ESP-Force
ESP Surge (x 2)
Z-Flash
ESP SS-Avenger
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Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
Holiday Buzzz
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Supercolor Challenger
apx SWIRL (x 2)

Why not. Did a tweek

SB Orc
2x Pred ESP, Z
3x Teebird 10x, Star
CE TL
Z Xtreme
5x KC Roc
3x Challenger CT, D

Star Max
Star TRX
Star Wraith
Star TB
Star E-X/11x KC Pro E-x
Star Whippet
KC Pro Roc
1080 Radius

All max or near max weight

Star Wraith
Star TeeRex
2x Champ Orcs 167 and 173
Champion Beast
Champion Valkyrie
DX Firebird
Champion TL
Star Sidewinder
DX Eagle
Star Leopard
Aerobie Epic
DC Typhoon
DX Stingray
Pro Roc
DX Classic Roc
DX Wolf
DX Shark
DX Gator
Gateway Warlock
Pro Aviar
Aviar PA
Omega SS

for my home course Castle Hayne:
1 Star firebird
2 Pro (CE) firebirds
2 first run QJLS
1 10X Cheetah
1 Champ Beast
1 4X Valkyrie
2 D-Buzz
1 Z-Wasp
1 Ching Roc
1 Pro Classic Roc
1 XD
1 Pro Line Spider
2 DX Aviar P/A

1 Dx Destroyer
1 DX Teerex
1 Star Teerex
1 Star Max
1-11x kc Champion Firebird
1 Star Leopard
1 Star 1st run XCaliber
1 Champion Banshee
1 Star Orc
1 Pro Valkyrie
1 Champion x-out Valkyrie
1 Star Sidewinder
1-2xBS Champion Beast
1 KC Pro Roc
1 Star Cro 1st run
1 Champion Gator
1 Discraft FLX Buzzz
1 Pro Rhyno (Firm)
1 Pro Rhyno (soft)
1 DX Rhyno

Been a while!

My bag had been changed a lot since I moved to Austin from Dfw.

Now in my bag...

174 SSS Warlock - 200 feet throw
171 BB grid aviar - Main Putter
179 10x KC Roc - Straight and long.
180 San Marino Orange Big Bird Roc - Long Anhyzer
175 Pro Line Monster - Bomb Thumber and Forehand Roller
172 CH Roadrunner - Long Tunnel shot
169 Pro Destroyer - Main Distance driver

Here's my setup for the Red Hawk course this weekend:

2-175g Soft Magnet/putting
1-175g ESP Banger GT/approach/driver

1-175g Z Breeze/turnover approach/mid
2-177g ESP Buzzzes/workhorse of the bag
1-177g 2nd FR Buzzz/overstable Buzzz

1-175g ESP XL/turnover driver
1-175g Tsunami/straight to hyzer
1-175g Z Predator/hyzer workhorse

2-175g ESP Flash/flippy and straight D
3-174/175g ESP Force/a little flippy to super overstable D

A little overlap is built in because losing a disc in a gator pond @ some point is almost inevitable...

2 - 175 Star XCaliber
1 - 175 DX Destroyer
1 - 175 Star Max
1 - 175 Star Starfire
1 - 175 Star Leopard
1 - 170 KC Pro Roc
2 - 175 Omega Supersoft Putter

1 star xcaliber
1 star destroyer
1 esp force
1 esp pred
1 star max
2 12x star wraith 1 stable 1 beat in
1 champ leopard
3 11x 180 kc rocs all diff stability
1 180 pink star baby roc
1 10x 180 roc
1 champ gator
1 pro beast (roller)
1 star firebird
1 star teebird
1 champ aero
1 star aviar driver
1 kc aviar
1 gateway magic putter

and yes this all fits in my bag lol!!!!!

1080 radius putter
beat ching aviar p&amp;a circa 2001
beat ching rancho roc circa 1997
new ching rancho roc
ce leopard
ce/champion hybrid leopard
beat pro wraith
somewhat less beat pro wraith
light star destroyer
heavy star destroyer
star max
squawky the hawk surge
really beat xclone

170 Sparkle Rogue
170 Proline Rogue
175 SB Orc or 175 ESP Surge
168 Star Roadrunner
175 Star Roadrunner
175 Z Predator
168 Z Predator
178 Z Buzzz
175 Z Buzzz SS
175 S Element
176 FLX Drone
175 Z Extreme
175 KC Aviar
175 '91 Aviar New
175 '91 Aviar Very Beat
175 DX Aviar Medium
175 DX Aviar Putter

Pearly flat spirit
Nike spirit
FLX Surge
SOLF (2)
CE/10x Eagle-X (3)
Star Roc
DX roc (4)
Warlock (2)
Wizard (3)

20 minutes left at work...nothing to do.

Bag in Transition (trying new distance drivers):

175 Star Teerex (auditioning)
172 DX Wraith (auditioning)
(2x) 175 Star Orcs (main d-driver...one new, one used)
(2x) 175 Champ Teebirds (one flat CE, one domey Fly-dye)
175 Z Predator (strong headwinds, forehands, big skips)
175 Tsunami (long-distance headwind driver)
175 Millennium Orion LS (roller, big turnovers)

(4x) 175 Flat-top Rocs (different stages, full-spectrum)
175 CE Whippet (headwind / spike approach, trick shots)

175 12x KC Aviar (stiff blend - approach, short drives)
175 Star Aviar P&amp;A (beaten - turnover/floaty approaches)
175 12x KC Aviar (soft black blend - main putter)

20 minutes left at work...nothing to do.

Bag in Transition (trying new distance drivers):



We throw the same drivers/mid range.
I'm curious to hear what you find with the TeeRex and Wraith.

I flipped the Wraiths too often and the TeeRex didn't do anything my Pred/Tsunami couldn't.

Also, I have found the SL to give me equal distance to my Orc but with more of a TL/TeeBird flight. It has been a nice addition!

20 minutes left at work...nothing to do.

Bag in Transition (trying new distance drivers):



We throw the same drivers/mid range.
I'm curious to hear what you find with the TeeRex and Wraith.

I flipped the Wraiths too often and the TeeRex didn't do anything my Pred/Tsunami couldn't.

Also, I have found the SL to give me equal distance to my Orc but with more of a TL/TeeBird flight. It has been a nice addition!



Great minds think alike :D

So far I'm liking the TRX...definitely much longer than my Tsunami into a headwind. I still favor the Orc in calm conditions; even though the TRX is faster, I find I can control the Orc much better. I'm sure that if I stick with the TRX for a while I'll be able to control it too AND get some more distance. Right now I'm struggling to get the Orc to 400', but I can do it occasionally...I figure once I get to the point where I'm throwing the Orc 400' consistently, the TRX will really reach its potential for me.

90% Discraft and rising.

2 dx cro's 170 putting and most shots up to 270ish
1 ch gator 175 hyzer, wind, and sidearm
1 dx aero 166 touch upshots

1 star TL 168 go-to driver
1 z pred 169 hyzer, wind, sidearm driver

1 dx destroyer 150 distance
1 pro destroyer 168 distance
1 ecostar xcaliber 175 little more beefy than the pro-destroyer

1 star roadrunner 169 roller

20 minutes left at work...nothing to do.

Bag in Transition (trying new distance drivers):



We throw the same drivers/mid range.
I'm curious to hear what you find with the TeeRex and Wraith.

I flipped the Wraiths too often and the TeeRex didn't do anything my Pred/Tsunami couldn't.

Also, I have found the SL to give me equal distance to my Orc but with more of a TL/TeeBird flight. It has been a nice addition!



Great minds think alike :D

So far I'm liking the TRX...definitely much longer than my Tsunami into a headwind. I still favor the Orc in calm conditions; even though the TRX is faster, I find I can control the Orc much better. I'm sure that if I stick with the TRX for a while I'll be able to control it too AND get some more distance. Right now I'm struggling to get the Orc to 400', but I can do it occasionally...I figure once I get to the point where I'm throwing the Orc 400' consistently, the TRX will really reach its potential for me.



The TRX will probably not go as far as your Orc. While it is fast out of the hand, the TRX loses its speed much faster than the Orc. Halfway down the fairway your Orc is moving the same speed as it left your hand at where the TRX is already starting to lose speed and get into the hyzer dive.

2 Pro Rhynos
1 ESP Wasp
2 Z-Wasps
1 Meteor
1 Gator(hoping that a flx drone can replace this)
2 Champ Orcs
1 Z Avenger
1 Champ Sidewinder
1 Champ Monster

There are other discs in the bag, but they can be taken out and will be taken out as soon as I get more of the discs i currently throw

169 Star Destroyer -Hyzer flip 425--450ft
168 First Run Champ Detroyer 370-400 Hyzer
166 Star Wraith Neutral or Tailwind all out distance
172 Champ Beast Turnover Distance
172 Squall controllable distance mid 325-375
174 Super Roc 300-350 (used for more shots than any other)
176 Star Ontario Roc 300-350 anny
174 Star Cro 280- 325 hyzer mid
175 KC Pro Aviar New drives out to 275
175 Omega SS understable drives out to 250
174 Titanic putts(just added to bag is my new favorite putter)
176 FLX Drone LE crazy wind, spike hyzer, situational

2 dx cros 170 - putts and anything out to 300
1 champ gator 175 - hyzer/sidearm approaches
1 dx aero 166 - touch/glidey upshots

1 star TL 168 straight drives
1 z-pred 168 hyzer/sidearm drives, some overhands

1 dx destroyer 150 - distance
1 pro destroyer 169 - distance
1 flat spirit 165 - sick wind

170 Star Xcaliber
172 Star Destroyer
169 Star Destroyer
175 Star Wraith 12x
174 Star Wraith
175 Star Starfire
175 Star SL
171 Z Flick

178 FLX Drone
176 ESP Wasp
176 FLX Buzzz
170 FLX Buzzz
177 1rst Run Buzzz

170 Omega SS
176 Banger GT Soft
(2) 174 Pro Rhynos

(2) 170 Pro Rhynos (Putters)
KP

I've also been looking for an extremely understable midrange to replace a D-wasp that I have beat to crap over the years, I want to find something that is that stiff and that understable when it's brand new, closest thing so far I've found is the Stratus, but it's plastic isn't very stiff. I have probably thrown every single disc made in the last couple years, but nothing comes to mind. I just want something I can buy and have it fly like I want out of the box, no beating necessary.


I recently rediscovered the dx cobra.

Pro D and Soft Challengers
1-Z Breeze 175g
2-ESP Buzzzes 176g flippy and straight
1-2nd FR Z Buzzz 176g stable
1-Shockwave 177g hyzers
1-Z Express 175g anhyzers
1-Old Tsunami 175g straight hyzers
1-Z Predator 175g hyzer workhorse
2-ESP Flashes 175g flippy and straight
2-ESP Forces 174, 175 stable and overstable

S Wizard (might be switching to S/M Warlock soon)
Champ Gremlin
ESP Comet
Z Comet
Champ Leopard
Star TL
11x KC Pro Teebird (the real KC Pro, not Champ)
Z Pred
Star Sidewinder
FLX Surge

I will probably add an FLX Drone (if I can find one) and take out the Champ Gremlin

1 Z Xtreme
1 Ch Firebird
1 Pro Destroyer
1 Star Destroyer
1 Star Wraith
1 Ch Sidewinder
1 Ch Eagle X
1 Star Teebird
1 Star TL
1 Star Roc
1 Rancho Roc
1 Sanny Roc
1 Ontario Roc
2 E Wizards
2 Soft Wizards

Upcoming tourney bag

Drivers:
175 Star Teerex (main long distance driver)
175 Star Orc (more of a control long distance driver)
175 CE Teebird (dead-straight, zero-fade distance driver)
175 Champ Fly-dye Teebird (overstable, placement shots between 275-330ish)
175 Sirius Orion LS (go-to turnover, big anhyzer, roller disc)
172 Star Max (overstable work-horse...new to the bag but loving it)
175 ESP Predator (for when I feel the Max might be too much disc)

Mids:
4x 175 Flat Top Rocs (full spectrum)
175 '06 Champ Glow Roc (little more stable than newest FT Roc)
175 Champ Whippet-x (short skips, spike upshots, forehands, etc)

Putts:
2x 175 Soft Black KC Pro Aviars (one for putting, one for upshots)

TitleDisc Open here I come!

I've regained much of my form and D so I switched a bit.

2x Xcal- Overstable distance, windy D, Long Sidearms

2x Star Teerex- 1 old mold and 1 new mold Mod overstable D

2x Pred- 1 esp 1 Z Overstable, wind, shorter sidearms

2x Teebird- 1 new star Work horse 1 seasoned 10x straight and flex

1x CE TL- 7-8 years old Does just about everything except handle a wind

2x Roadrunner- 1 star 1 Champ testing out and really liking them

4x KC Roc- 1 10x 3 11x all mid duties

3x Challenger- 2 CT 1 D P&amp;A stuffs

new setup (discovering less is more)
I still throw all of these pretty much every round. TRYING to slim down even more.

Champion 150 Firebird - overhands and headwinds
FLX Surge - stable D, winds
Evolution line Diablo DT - long straight D, slight wind
Champion TL - trying to beat this one up a bit
Star Teebird - go to driver
New Plastic T-Bone - straight as an arrow drives
SRP T-Bone - turnover drives
Champion Roadrunner - longer turnover drives, rollers
Star Whippet-X - HARD hyzers, skips, overhands
Z Wasp - hyzer approaches
Flat Top Skull Roc - long approaches, slight hyzers
Sparkle Core - straight/turnover approaches
Medium Wizard - hyzer putts, windy putts, pancakes
Chalky Black Warlock - turnover putts... everyday putter

1 Champion Firebird (headwind, hyzers, side arms)
2 Star Teebird (control shot from hyzer to stable)
2 Champion Glow TL (Control shots stable to anhyzer)
3 Star Teerex (controlled distance, hyzer to anhyzer)
1 Pro Wraith (Max D)
1 Champion Roadrunner (long anhyzers, hyzer flips, rollers)
1 Champion Roc (hyzer mid)
2 Star Ontario Roc (hyzer to stable mid)
2 KC Roc (turnover mid)
3 KC Aviar (any drives within 280)
2 86 Softie (all putting duties inside of 100 feet)

Z Sparkle Rogue 170
Proline Rogue 170
SB Orc 175
Champ Orc 160
Star Roadrunner 168
CE Leopard 170
Z Pred 174
Z Pred 167
ESP Pred 171
Z Buzzz 178
Z Buzzz SS 176
Z Extreme 176
FLX Drone 176
Soft Wizard 175
Aviar New 175
Aviar Beat 175
Aviar 150
Aviar Putter 175

for this weekend's titledisc open in rockwall:

175 star destroyer (wide open distance)
172 star destroyer (wide open distance)
175 star max (forehand, thumber, spike hyzer)
174 special blend orc (brand new)
174 special blend orc (nicely beat) (control distance)
171 star beast (go-to hyzer-flip driver)
174 star sidewinder (anhyzer, hyzer-flip-turnover)
175 star teebird (shorter or tighter drives)
175 star TL (nicely beat...used all the time)
175 CE TL (really beat...extreme turnovers and roller)

178 FLX drone (forehand approaches, spikes, windy shots)
178 ESP Buzzz (most mid shots)
178 D Buzzz (nicely beat) (hyzer flip straight mid)
178 D Buzzz (severely beat) (hyzer flip turnover mid)


175 SSS Wizard (new, for windy putts)
172 SS Wizard (really beat...most upshots)
172 Black Proto Magic (most putts)

2X 172 Star TeeRex
1X 169 Star TeeRex
1X 170 Star Destroyer
3X 175 Champ Roadrunners
2X 172 11X Champ Firebirds
2X 175 Star Leapords

1X 178 Flex Buzzz
1X 178 ESP Buzzz
1X 178 Crystal Buzzz
2X 178 Flex Drones

2X 175 Soft Wizards
2X 175 Medium Wizards

1X 172 Champion Monster
1X 172 Star Max
1X 178 Champion Destroyer
1X 175 Star Xcaliber
1x 175 Glo Champ Orc
1X 168 Quest Inferno
1X 169 Pro Starfire
1x 172 DGA Rogue

1X 172 ESP Impact
1X 178 ESP Wasp
1X 178 Crystal Buzzz
1X 178 11x KC Pro Roc

1X 175 Soft Wizard
2X 175 Beat in E Wizards

171 Champ <font color="red">Firebird</font>
175 <font color="orange">QOLF </font>
169 Star <font color="red"> Wraith </font>
171 Champ <font color="red"> TeeBird </font>
169 Champ <font color="pink">RoadRunner </font>

180 DX <font color="white"> Roc </font> x2-3

175 Star <font color="blue"> Aviar </font>
171 <font color="orange"> Omega SS</font>
175 DX <font color="pink">P&amp;A </font>

All in a <font color="green">Revo </font> Mini w/ Quads.

Some substitutions and additions from last time...

E Spirit
SRP Raging Inferno (New)
SRP Raging Inferno (Used)
E Inferno (2)
Premium T-Bone
SRP T-Bone
Hybrid (Until I can get some Blazes)
E Sabre FX (2)
S Demon
E Element-X (2)
E Element (2)
Eraser Wizard
Medium Warlock
SS Warlock
SS Magic

175 <font color="orange">Champion Monster</font>
174 <font color="white">Star Firebird</font>
174 <font color="black">Star Max</font>
174 <font color="green">Champion Wriath</font>
175 <font color="white">Pro Wraith</font>
174 <font color="orange">Champion Leopard X-Out</font>
174 <font color="green">KC-Pro Teebird (11x)</font>
175 <font color="orange">Champion Panther</font>
175 <font color="white">DX Rancho Roc</font>
180 <font color="white">DX Ching Roc</font>
175 <font color="white">KC-Pro Aviar Driver (10x)</font>(anyone got a spare ??) :)
175 <font color="yellow">Champion Aviar</font>
175 <font color="white">KC-Pro Aviar Putt and Approach (11x)</font>

Also sometimes carry for practice:
175 <font color="blue">Star Aviar</font>
175 <font color="yellow">Star Aviar Driver</font>

3x JK Aviar
3x JK Aviar
Beadless P&amp;A Aviar (beat)

Champ Glow Roc
No Time KC Roc
10x Roc

CE Leopard

10x T-bird (beat)
10x T-bird
11x KC T-bird
Star Firebird
Star Sidewinder
Star X-Caliber
Pro Wraith (beat)
Pro Wraith

Have had the Z-Pred in and out lately too. Bag has been the same for a while now (except for the XC addition)

3x JK Aviar
4X JK Aviar
Newer Big Bead Aviar

11x KC Roc
Proto Tachyon Viper
Old Black Cyclone
SE Tee-Bird
11x KC Tee-Bird
9x KC Eagle
1st Run CE FL
2nd Run Flat Top CE Valkyrie
2nd Run CE Eagle
Last Run CE TL
Pro Wraith
Pro Tee-Bird L
10X KC Beagle ( KC Banshee with an Eagle stamp)

90% Discraft and rising.


same here... only trying to replace the CE Eagles... which are extremely hard to find anyways, but just cant seem to get the right disc to take its place...

picked up a revolution mini bag because i'm tired of picking up a bigger bag. had the bag 2 weeks, like the size, would like a double putter pouch like the carolina bag and normal bottle holder. i'm looking at ways to mount a camelbak to my quads now.

Drivers:
Ch. Starfire (original mold)(distance driver)
Ch. SL (distance turnover)
CE Eagle (my firebird)
STAR Eagle (primary driver)
CE Leopard (turnover, roller)

Midrange:
DX Roc (straight to turnover)
05 SB Roc (everything)
08 Ch San Marino Roc (overstable mid)
DX Aviar P&amp;A (upshots approaches)

Putter:
1991 Aviar Putter

: ) :

Drivers:
167 Star "Shocker" Firebird - overhands/spike hyzers
170 FLX Surge - bombs
170 Diablo DT - straight bombs
170 Star Teebird - when I need some flip
170ish 11x KC Pro Teebird - go to
170 Champion "Lil' Jon" Sidewinder - straight to slight turn
170 Champ Roadrunner (beat) - roller
167 Champ Roadrunner (new) - annys

Midrange:
170 CFR Star Whippet-X - skips, overhands, hard hyzers
180 Flat Top DX Skull Roc (have multiples in rotation) - everything
175 Latitude64 Core - turnover mids

Putters:
175 Wizard - wind or hyzer putts
173 Chalky Black Warlock - go to

11 molds. I really think this is the slimmest I can go right now.

2 174g ESP Predators (both new) side arms, spikes, hyzers
2 174g ESP Pulse (both slightly used) hyzers, head wind rollers, side arm D
2 174g ESP Surges (one new one used) hyzer drives in woods, control flat and S shots
2 174g ESP XL (both new) control drives, quick turn rollers
1 174g Z XS (new) hyzerflips, thumbers, turnovers, flat footed drives
1 174g Z Tracker Proto (beat up) contol rollers, down hill driver
1 174g Z Flash (new) Max D
4 178g Z Buzzz's (all first runs) hyzer to turn over
1 178g Z Buzzz SS (sacrifical buzzz, new) water shots slow turns, hyzer flips
2 175g D Magnets (one new, one used) all drives within 280
2 174g 86 Softies (both beat, looking for APX's or X putt'rs as replacements) putts, and jumpers up to 100ft

in my bag from time to time

*Sparkle rogue for long rollers, mostly used at fly 18 courses
* Z Flick for really windy days that the pulse just dont hold up to

I wonder if I already responded to this at some point in time...

High Speed
Overstable - Ch Monster
Stable - St XCaliber
Understable - St Destroyer

Low Speed
Overstable - Ch Firebird
Stable - St Teebird
Understable - St Valkyrie
Roller - St Roadrunner

Midrange
Overstable - D Zone
Stable - Cryz Buzzz
Understable - ESP Meteor

Putter
D Challenger
D Challenger

Just switched to the D Challengers last week, they've already shaved a few strokes from my game after three years with Aviar P&amp;As... I always kind of wanted to jump to more stable putters but the D Challengers are the first ones with the kind of grip I want. Perfect blend of chalkiness and grip along with stiffness.

174 Star Max (strong headwind distance or long high hyzer)
168 First Run Champ Destroyer (main distance driver)
169 Star Destroyer(Domey for hyzer flip)
166 Star Wraith (tailwind distance)
174 Proline Squall (everything a ROC does but longer)
176 Champ Roc Rancho
174 Champ Roc Sanny
174 Super Roc
176 Star Roc Ontario
174 Star Cro
174 Soft Warlock x2 (long putter and touch shots)
172 Proline Titanic (main putter in and around the circle)

2 dx cros 170
1 champ gator 175
1 dx aero 166

1 star TL 168
1 z-pred 169

1 162 ch. monarch
1 168 pro destroyer
1 167 flat spirit

Z Pred
Z Avenger
ESP Surge
ESP Rogue
Z Flash
1st Run BUZZZ
178 2nd 1st Run BUZZZ (with sick Huk Tri Fli Dye)
174 2nd 1st Run BUZZZ
SS BUZZZ
Soft APX

2 New Signature Cam Todds for putting only
1 CryZtal Challenger

2 Z Flicks
1 D Zone (which by the way is the SICKEST upshot disc and short range hyzer driver EVER!!!)

Sometimes I throw a ESP Force in there if its windy of I have to throw alot of longer range hyzer shots!!!

1 D Zone (which by the way is the SICKEST upshot disc and short range hyzer driver EVER!!!)


Completely agree! I can't believe that they told us it was a putt &amp; approach at the A3 1 Disc Challenge... that thing is a fantastic short driver/up disc. Way better than a Gator because it not only resists turn and headwinds, but it has some glide!

[QUOTE]

Way better than a Gator because it not only resists turn and headwinds, but it has some glide!



You don't always want a ton of glide... like when throwing into a headwind

Way better than a Gator because it not only resists turn and headwinds, but it has some glide!



You don't always want a ton of glide... like when throwing into a headwind


More than a Gator doesn't necessarily mean it has a "ton" ;) Just... some.

174g Soft Warlock--primary putter
175g Medium Warlock--overstable putter/driver

177g Meteor--turnover mid
178g 2nd FR Buzz--primary mid
176g 2nd FR Buzz--overstable mid

175g Star TL--turnover fairway driver
175g Star Teebird--wind, straighter hyzers
175g Z Predator--worn in nicely, primary hyzer disc
175g Z Predator--new and pure overstability

175 Rogue--turnover distance driver
175 12x Star Wraith--primary distance driver
172 Pro Destroyer--max d
172 Champion Destroyer--overstable distance driver

Part time help:
178g ESP Buzz--risk mid, won't chance my 2nd FR near H2O
175g Champion Destroyer--overstable for tropical wind days

Added more until I can narrow down...

E Spirit (2)
SRP Raging Inferno (2)
E Diablo DT (2)
E Illusion QC
SRP Inferno
E Blaze
E Sabre FX (2)
S Demon (2)
E Element-X (2)
E Element (2)
SuperSoft Wizard
Medium Warlock
Supersoft Warlock

Trying to cut down on drivers and mids, but everytime I take some out of the bag and go to the course I always find myself in situations where I need the disc I took out. I'm cursed with irony!

New, experimental setup:
145g DX Xcaliber (on audition to replace 150g DX Destroyer; both will probably be out of the bag within weeks)
152g gummy Ch. Monarch (on audition &amp; pretty much has won out over 149g STAR Sidewinder)
148g beat DX Wraith
150g flattop DX TeeRex
149g gummy flattop Ch. Firebird
150g gummy Ch. Viking (just a lark; 150g gummy flattop Ch. Teebird will be back in its place very soon)
149g gummy old Proline Leopard
146g gummy Ch. Banshee
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170g Ch. Whippet-x
167g STAR Gremlin
169g old Proline Gremlin
169g DX Gremlin
170g beat DX Gremlin
171g beat 11x KC Aviar (mother of all Tiki discs)
171g black flattop 12x KC Aviar
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149g DX Goblin
175g hypersoft 3x JK Aviar
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Vibram mini
Marshall Street floppy glo mini
Triple Disc mini driver
Gateway dimpled nesting minis

dx aero 165
2 dx cros 170
champ gator 175

2 TL's 168
2 z-preds 169

2 dx destroyers 150/165
champ destroyer 172

champ monarch 160

Z Sparkle Rogue
Proline Rogue
ESP Surge
---------
Star Roadrunner
CE Leopard
Star Leopard
---------
ESP Pred
Z Pred
Champion Xcalliber (Jumps into the place of the Z Extreme)
---------
Z Buzzz SS
Z Buzzz
Pro Pig (Jumps into the place of the FLX Drone)
---------
Soft Wizard
Aviar New
Aviar Mid
Aviar Beat
SS Glow Wizard

11x kc tb 166
10x kc tb 175
CE lep 175
Champ fb 175
star sidewinder (2) 175 (1 new, 1 beat)
pro wraith (2) 175 (1 new, 1 beat)
star trex 166
star xc 171

3x jk aviar (2)
p&amp;a aviar
kc roc (2)
dx roc
champ glow roc

1 Ch Firebird
1 St Teebird
2 Ch TL
2 St TL (one really beat for turns and thumbers)
2 Ch Wraith
1 St Wraith (used for long turns)
3 St Teerex (one new one slightly used, one beat for big s turns)
2 Kc Rocs (one new, one used)
1 Dx Roc (beat)
1 Dx Hammer (beat)
2 Dx Rhyno (one used, one beat)
1 SS Omega (new)
2 86 Softie (both beat)

Sonic
Aviar
Roc
CH Gator
Teebird
Roadrunner (testing Monarch)
Orc
Wraith
XC

175 Black Omega Supersoft (1 worn for approach, 1 new for putt)
175 Champion Leopard
175 Champion Teebird
175 Champion Beast
175 Champion Monster
175 Champion Destroyer (1 flat, 1 pop top)

172 Orange 11x KC Teebird
175 Green Champion Firebird (beat to hell)
174 Glow Champion FL
175 Dayglo Yellow First Run Star Teerex
175 Clear CFR Champion Destroyer (PPIC Stamp)
175 Green CFR Wraith X
172 Blue Star Xcaliber

178 Orange Buzz (Beat)
180 White Hot Stamp Flat Top DX Roc (NEW)
180 White Hot Stamp Flat Top DX Roc (Beat)
180 Blue San Marino Roc (PPIC2 stamp) x2

175 White Pro Pig
175 White Soft Warlock
175 White 12x KC Pro Aviar x2

The green Firechicken is the first disc I ever owned. It has been in my bag from the start. I pray to whoever is listening that I never lose that disc. It's beat, it flips a little, and I love it

166 Star Beast
166 Pro Beast
171 Star Sidewinder
172 Star SL [forehand]
179 01 CE Roc
171 10X KC Pro Gazelle
very old, very beat 171 DX Panther [turnover approach]
2 x 171 Super Soft Wizards

I put a 168 Pro Destroyer in there if it's fairly windy.

168 Sparkle Z Force - BOOM
168 ESP Surge - Anything you want
172 Beat ESP Surge - flip flat fly straight or annie
170 FLX Surge - Stand and deliver or annie
174 ESP Pred - forehand
172 X Pred - straight shooter / wind
172 ESP XL - control shots, very straight for me
168 ESP Avenger SS - rollin'
174 Z Buzz - staight control shots shorter than XL
174 X Buzz - anything
174 Z Wasp - hyser approach or wind shots
174 X Soft Challenger - the greatest disc EvEr
175 D Magnet - Bangin'

170 Z Pred
175 Star X Cal
175 Star Destroyer
175 Champ Destroyer
175 Star Wraith
175 Champ Wraith
175 Champ Orc
175 Champ Roadrunner
175 Star Leopard
170 Beat CE Leopard

176 1st Run BUZZZ
176 2nd 1st Run BUZZZ (tri fly huk dye)
174 Beat 2nd 1st Run BUZZZ
174 Pro D Challenger
174 CryZtal Z Challenger
2 Cam Todd Challengers for putting only
174 Pro D Zone
170 Beat Putt and Approach Aviar

Utility Discs
174 Z Flick
172 Beat up Z Flick

xc
teerex
destroyer
tbird
tl
banshee
rocs(3)
rhyno(3)
sss wizards (2)

z pred
champ firebird
star firebird
ce eagle
ce leopard
champ banshee
champ orc
s/b orc
star leopard
star destroyer
star xc
champ roadrunner
star wraith
cfr wraith
champ teebird
dx ontario roc
champ roc
FLX drone ( just put it in the bag and love it)
s/b roc
2- dx bb aviar
ss wizard

aero
dx cro
ch. gator

TL
z-pred

dx destroyer
ch. destroyer

1 excalibur big hyzers
2 Champ destroyers super long and straight
1 star destroyer little more flip
1 champ sidewinder rollers
1 champ gator long big hyzers
1 flex buzzz straight
1 champ stingray turnovers
1 z glide little more turnover
2 pro challengers

Im improving my game by simplifying:
Ch Boss: pure D
Ch XC: Crazy D into wind..trust
Star Wraith: great D, and consistant, even in wind..

Star Teebird: workhorse, everything striaght, hyzer, thumber, sidearm, upshot, fairway, etc...if i can throw it i will.
Z-Pred: overstable, hyzers, windy, thumbers, sidearms.
Monarch: Anny, still learning disc. seems to be working.

KC Roc: striaght mid, hyzer.
Ch CE Roc:(rancho) overstable Roc, very overstable.
Z-Buzz: all lowceiling mid shots that Roc cant do because it requires more air. or if the Teebrid is too long..
Ch Gator: nothing is better into wind for up shot control!!! i can play in a hurricane with this Disc..(i should know im from Southeast Tx)

Dx BB Aviar: awesome putter, strattle loft putt
JK Aviar X: driving putter, side arm approach, windy putter.

esp force -crazy stable
esp force
esp force beat
esp surge
esp surge beat
esp first run crush
z crush
first run flick
esp flash

cryztal buzzz
esp buzzz
esp zone
beat d zone
d challenger
esp meteor

beat magnet
magnet

dx aero 167
dx cro 170
champ gator 175

star TL 168
z pred 169

ch monarch 163
dx destroyer 150/168
champ xcal 172

messing around w/ a 172 ch boss, and hopefully the dx boss will take the place of the dx destroyers, provided they fly the same, only a hair faster.

Champ MAX
Champ XC
Champ Boss x2
S-DD
CE&amp;Champ Firebird
Star&amp;9x Teebird
2x Element
2x 11x Roc
4x Aviar 3 10x and 1 9x

whats a S-DD?
and why throw a ch max if you have an XC

The DD is a more HSS Wraith without the Teerex fade. Its a really nice disc. Its a Discmainia disc.

My Champ XC (1st run Bar stap) is not the most overstable. Its more of a Teebird stability with a bit more fade. The Max is in there for Crazy wind and spike hyzers. I could definately live without it and only throw it once every few rounds, but its nice to have in there.

Not sure when I last posted here so...

HIGH SPEED
175 Champ Monster (pearly, dynamic dyed)
175 Star XCaliber
175 Champ Boss
175 Star Destroyer (beat up, flip up and rollers)

LOW SPEED
175 Champ Firebird
175 Star Teebird
175 Star Valkyrie
165 Star Roadrunner

MIDRANGE
Max Wgt ESP Zone
Max Wgt CryZtal Buzzz
Max Wgt ESP Meteor

PUTTER
Max Wgt Pro-D Challenger
Max Wgt Pro-D Challenger

Buzz or Roc ???
Why?

Buzz or Roc ???
Why?


CryZtal Buzzz - It lacks a bead. This is seriously one of my main reasons for using it. Beads tend to tear at my finger when I throw, ripping open calluses. This is probably a technique error of some kind, but I throw the beadless discs with very good accuracy so I'm not going to quibble.

Additionally: Discraft tends to make things in "families" of discs. In this case it seems to be a family moving down the stability line from Zone &gt; Buzzz &gt; Meteor for me. I don't know if thats the exact set up they have, but it seems to be. So I have 3 discs at a very similar speed and feel in the hand with different stabilities that I can use.


-Chris.

Buzz or Roc ???
Why?



Additionally: Discraft tends to make things in "families" of discs. In this case it seems to be a family moving down the stability line from Zone &gt; Buzzz &gt; Meteor for me. I don't know if thats the exact set up they have, but it seems to be. So I have 3 discs at a very similar speed and feel in the hand with different stabilities that I can use.


-Chris.



I agree. I throw the same 3 for similar distances, just depends on fade, straight, or anny.

Does anyone have stories of where thinning down to less disc has improved their Game?
and whats a good number of disc to play well, but not have to many options?

Nate Doss's Bag:
3-Z Pred
2-Esp Surge
2-Avenger
2-Pulse
XL
Force

Hawk
Drone

D Challenger

Does anyone have stories of where thinning down to less disc has improved their Game?
and whats a good number of disc to play well, but not have to many options?



I played a tournament this weekend and trimmed down my bag after a very flat first day and I played -10 strokes better the second round.

My flippy Boss got me into trouble--it is too much disc for the course I was playing, I did not have the open space. I also thought I could control it like a Wraith, but in the pressure of the tournament I could not. It is not as consistent. My dependably stable Bosses were great all weekend b/c I knew I could keep them flying flat in the wind with a pretty flat release. I took the flippy Boss out after the first day.

I also took out a midrange, going from 4 to 3. It is easy to do everything you need with 3 stabilities in your midrange and it is hard to have "touch" with more than 3 anyway (for me at least).

I took out my backup/overstable Predator. I found when the wind was howling the extra speed of the champ XC cut the wind better and flew on truer hyzer lines than the overstable Pred, and I have so much more trust in the Pred that has been in my bag for a year.

I took out my E Voodoo. I like this disc in practice, but I realized I did not feel comfortable enough with this disc to have the confidence to pull it out since it is fairly new and different. It will be a windy day disc for me, but that is not a situation that you're are going to chance a new disc with in a tourney.

Less discs, less strokes.

My set up for next weekend's tournament:

2--175 organic Voodoos for putting.
2--175 S Warlocks flippy/straight for driving
1--175 E Voodoo (maybe) overstable putter driver

1--176 ESP Meteor turnover midrange
1--178 2FR Buzz straight midrange
1--178 Z Buzz overstable midrange

1--175 Champ Monarch turnovers/hyzerflip/rollers
2--175 Star Teebirds new and beat for fairway drives
1--175 Z Predator hyzer driver

2--175 Star Wraith beat and new controlled D
1--175 Champion Boss like a max D Teebird
1--175 Champion XC wind D, forehand D, hyzer D

V Overstable: Z Pred
Overstable: Champ Destroyer
Stable: Augusta Wraith, Star Wraith
Understable: Beat Star Wraith, Pro Destroyer

Overstable: TeeBird
Stable: Seasoned TeeBird
Understable: Star TL

Overstable: New KC Pro Roc, Q Sent
Stable: Seasoned KC Pro Roc
Understable: Beat KC Pro Roc

Overstable: New KC Pro Aviar
Stable: PnA Aviar
Understable: Beat PnA Aviar

Putter: KC Pro Aviar

Does anyone have stories of where thinning down to less disc has improved their Game?
and whats a good number of disc to play well, but not have to many options?



My game has really improved since I thinned down my bag. Having a sparser bag gives me confidence b/c I know all the discs in my bag so well. Plus most people I play with carry 15-18 discs but only throw 5-7 unique discs during a round.

My bag:

Drivers:

E spirit - 175

SOLF - 175 - new
SOLF - 171 - beat

KC Eagle - 175 - new
KC Eagle - 170 - beat
KC Eagle - 172 - thrashed

Mids:

Star Roc - 180
Star Roc - 180 - beat up good
DX Roc - 180 - new
DX Roc - 180 - beat
DX Roc - 180 - thrashed

Putters (all S plastic):

Wizard - 168 - main putter
Wizard - 171 - beat, main approach disc
Wizard - 172
Wizard - 175
Wizard - 174

Really I could take out a star roc and 2 wizards and really not miss them but it is nice to have them in the bag for the once in a while shot.

how do the solf's differ much from the eagles?

i personally havnt aced with an eagle bot have 2 aces with solf,s.
i believe the solf is more like a stable orc, very depedable hizer disc with decent hss and a higher than average lss at the end of a 300 foot throw.

Faster and longer. Both are nice discs.

i am trying to just use Roc's for mid shots. I love and trust them for everything....except: low ceiling, tree in the way shot. and yes this happens often. it seems my shot with rocs needs ceiling to get Dist. so i keep a buzzz. Do you guys throw something else for low ceiling or are you making the roc work??

What do you consider a low ceiling? and how far do you need to go with that low ceiling?


how do the solf's differ much from the eagles?



The SOLF throw like a longer eagle so they compliment each other perfectly.

Low celing roc= leopard or teebird

i am trying to just use Roc's for mid shots. I love and trust them for everything....except: low ceiling, tree in the way shot. and yes this happens often. it seems my shot with rocs needs ceiling to get Dist. so i keep a buzzz. Do you guys throw something else for low ceiling or are you making the roc work??



When I moved to FL from MI I was wondering about this...It seems everywhere in FL there are oaks covered in moss. We have low ceilings on every course. When I moved I was throwing Rocs, but I had thrown Buzzes in the past. Right away I recognized the need and started throwing the Buzz again. It not only worked for low ceilings, but it worked better than the Roc for most other shots as well. So why throw a Roc at all? I throw my Buzz right at the basket for a 280-300' shot. I watch Roc-master Ken Climo throw the same hole and he uses every inch of ceiling to get the Roc there b/c its dropping the whole way. His shot requires great skill, mine requires much less.

Thinned out the drivers in my bag recently...was carrying 3-4 Orcs for most of my distance shots and a Teerex for headwind distance. Also started to rely more heavily on my Teebirds for shots in the 300'-360' range.

Added the Champ Cobras to the midrange line-up for slow/late turn shots..may remove those as some newer Rocs get broke in. Added the Q Sentinel several months ago as a temporary replacement for my Champ Roc, but fell in love with it so it stuck around. The Whippet only gets used on occasion for mid-short range trick shots. The XD is strictly a low-power touch approach disc.

Stable Distance Drivers:
171 Star Starfire (straight with strong low-speed fade)
175 Star Orc (go-to distance driver...workable on all kinds of lines)

Stable-to-Understable Distance Drivers:
175 SOLS (1st run - more stable of the 2)
172 SOLS (2nd run - very beaten, mainly used for flip-rollers and giant anhyzers)

Fairway Drivers:
175 CE Teebird (broken in...very straight with minimal low-speed fade)
172 DX Teebird (newish...straight with strong low-speed fade)

Overstable Driver:
175 CE Firebird (well-used, but still very overstable)
*170 Star FB (occasionally in the bag as a back-up)

Midranges:
(3) 175 Ching Rocs (go-to mids...one new, one broken-in, one worn)
(2) 178 Champ Ont. Cobras (one new / one well-used...used mainly for shots that require a very slow or late turn)
176 Q Sentinel (overstable mid...faster than the Rocs, and can get a decent skip)
175 Champ Whippet-x (short-range "trick" shots)

Putters:
175 11x KC Aviar (go-to putter)
175 12x Aviar (stiff, marbled-grey - approach disc)
175 12x Aviar (soft, solid black - approach disc)
175 DX XD (soft, touchy approach shots)

man, i cant deside about rocs and buzzz, they are great. i want to eliminate disc selection , as it improves my game. The Roc is accurate, and does not skip past the basket. it is pin point, but i need the ceiling. which i have about 80% of the time. however, the buzzz is great to, a little faster than the roc, which can mean skipping long, hence longer come back putts. and sometimes it hyzer skips at the end, also longer putts...but it fits great in my hand because i know and love teebrids so well, the buzz feels and flies like a mid range teebrid....great straight, great hyzer, great low ceiling......ughhh i cant decide, i would rather one or the other not both... i plan on feild throwing to see if i can see any pros / conns

If you compare the Buzz and Roc as approach discs, the Roc is a clear winner. Slowness and the bead (anchor) keep you close. I don't approach with my Buzz too often, and when I do it is usually because the ceiling is low and I want the skip. BTW, my Buzzes always skip forward, but I use my broken in one for approaches. For me the Buzz is almost a fairway driver, best used for 280'-350'. For the most part I like using putters for approaching under 280', and they are even slower and more accurate than the Roc.

I decided to go back to my ESP Banger-GT as my stable putter driver over the EVO Voodoo. I like the feel of the Voodoo, but it is ungodly stable. I can't get a flat ride and fade with it. I have to turn it over and it gets NO glide off a hyzer release. Maybe it needs to whack a few trees. Anyway, the Banger is an overlooked driver and flies farther than any other stable putter.

man, i cant deside about rocs and buzzz, they are great. i want to eliminate disc selection , as it improves my game. The Roc is accurate, and does not skip past the basket. it is pin point, but i need the ceiling. which i have about 80% of the time. however, the buzzz is great to, a little faster than the roc, which can mean skipping long, hence longer come back putts. and sometimes it hyzer skips at the end, also longer putts...but it fits great in my hand because i know and love teebrids so well, the buzz feels and flies like a mid range teebrid....great straight, great hyzer, great low ceiling......ughhh i cant decide, i would rather one or the other not both... i plan on feild throwing to see if i can see any pros / conns



Why don't you just throw a teebird when you don't have the ceiling for a roc? Also if anything feels like a midrange teebird it is the roc. They have the same flight path.

I do agree with the Banger-GT being an under rated driving putter. I used to throw them until I found wizards and only switched b/c the wizard felt better in my hand.

yeh i know i watch Eric Mcabe chunk the Banger GT all over the place. o do use the teebrid for low ceiling when roc is bad... but i just lost my money Teebird (Star Beat in) which would fly how ever i wanted. so i have a brand new star Teebird that finishes way to left for the Roc low ceiling shot.. but thats ok im sure in 6 months or so it will beat back in....for now im still throwing rocs with one buzz in my bag

I decided to go back to my ESP Banger-GT as my stable putter driver over the EVO Voodoo. I like the feel of the Voodoo, but it is ungodly stable. I can't get a flat ride and fade with it. I have to turn it over and it gets NO glide off a hyzer release. Maybe it needs to whack a few trees. Anyway, the Banger is an overlooked driver and flies farther than any other stable putter.



Have you thrown a Pig yet? If so, how would you compare the stability compared to a Voodoo? I can't imagine any putter being more overstable than a Pig.

How about a Zone for a flat flight then predictable fade? Probably too fast for what you are looking for. For me, it is kind of a tweener between a putter and mid, but probably closer to a mid. Flat flight and hard fade is what it does though.

1 Z Flick (new, sidearm, wind and skips)
3 Z Avenger (new, used and beat)
1 ESP Avenger SS (new, max D rollers)
3 ESP Force (new, used and beat, max D)
1 Z XS (thumbers or flat footed shots, quick turn rollers)
3 Z Buzzz (new, used and beat)
2 X Buzzz (both used)
3 X Comet (new, used, and beat, putts inside of 30)
2 X APX Swirl (both new, approaches and jump putts)

less is better:
im trying to trim down for tomo Im playing with a friend, atleast 3 rounds. so we will see if i can improve with:
Alll 175
Ch XC
Ch Boss
Star Wraith

St Teebird
Monarch
Z Pred

Gator
2-Kc-Roc
Crystal Buzzz

Aviar Dx BB (Putter)
Aviar X (driving putter)

Everytime I try to eliminate discs from my bag and go to a tournament I always find myself in situations where I need that exact disc that I took out. Right now I'm trying to cut down on midranges, and drivers.

I decided to go back to my ESP Banger-GT as my stable putter driver over the EVO Voodoo. I like the feel of the Voodoo, but it is ungodly stable. I can't get a flat ride and fade with it. I have to turn it over and it gets NO glide off a hyzer release. Maybe it needs to whack a few trees. Anyway, the Banger is an overlooked driver and flies farther than any other stable putter.



Have you thrown a Pig yet? If so, how would you compare the stability compared to a Voodoo? I can't imagine any putter being more overstable than a Pig.

How about a Zone for a flat flight then predictable fade? Probably too fast for what you are looking for. For me, it is kind of a tweener between a putter and mid, but probably closer to a mid. Flat flight and hard fade is what it does though.



I have not thrown the Pig yet. I like the feel. I guess it has not interested me enough in the pro plastic. I don't want my overstable putter to break in much. When it comes out in Star or Champ I may pick one up. The problem with my Evo Voodoo is that it does not seem to have enough float in that plastic (my Organic S ones float for days). This makes the disc nose angle senstive. A little hyzer and it does not stand up, a little anny and it just turns.

The quality that I appreciate most about putters is their forgiveness in terms of height control. If you throw a putter a little high, it may just go a little farther than you wanted. If you throw it a little low its going to come up a bit short. Either way, you are not going to go left or right much. With my beat Warlock I simply aim above the basket with slight hyzer and the disc flattens out and drops right on the basket from 200-300'. This is my approach shot/drive when ceiling and wind conditions allow. The reason I explain this is because when I look for putters to throw that is the characteristic I want. Any disc without "float" or with hard turning tendencies is not going to do the job on the high drop shots. For a stable putter-driver I am looking for a disc that will hold its angle of release on a muted line and have a little fade at the end of the flight. The ESP Banger-GT really is the disc for this shot.

I agree with the plastic concern. I will probably get a more durable plastic when it comes out, but my beat Pro Pig is still more overstable than any other putter that I've thrown. If anyone knows of a more overstable putter, I would like to try it out.

Thanks for all the non-biased disc reviews discspeed! You should get your own thread ;)

175 Z Pred
175 Champ Excalibur
169 Champ Wraith
175 Pro Wraith
171 Champ Teebird
169 Champ Leopard
169 Champ Roadrunner

180 Roc x4-5 (dx, kc, champ)

175 DX P&amp;A x3
175 S Wizahd

C'mon 5 o'clock. :D:D :p

2 Soft Banger GT's
2 FLX Buzzz's one old, one new
1 FLX Drone
1 Star Stingray
1 Star Beast
1 CFR Wraith
1 Star Wraith (164)
1 Champ Boss
1 Star TeeRex
1 FLX Surge
1 ESP Force
1 Champ Monster
1 Star Monster

Discspeed, I agree wholeheartedly with your putter for approach thoughts. For upshots, say less than 225', I carry 4 particular discs. I suppose there are basically two of each. Two Pro Rhynos, one the most stable I have thrown, one the least. The other two are a X Soft Challenger, and an Omega SS. I can't putt with the SS, but it is far and away the smoothest upshot disc I have ever thrown. The Challenger is more stable, and even though it is soft, doesn't change appreciably with wear. You might try either, though the Challenger sounds more suited to your description. I find the Banger to be very controllable, but slow, and easy to flip if I get too much of it. KP

As for the bag........
175 Champ Boss
172 Champ Boss
174 ESP Force
168 ESP Force
175 12x Wraith
174 Star Wraith

175 Star Max
175 Star SL

176 FLX Drone
174 D Zone
176 Z Buzzz (Cryztal)
177 Z Buzzz (1rst Run)
170 FLX Buzzz
176 Z Glide

175 Pro Rhyno (2x)
174 X Challenger
172 Omega SS

169 X Soft Challenger (2x)

Bored....it is sleeting outside.....
172g Star Excalibur (windy D)
172g Champ. Boss (Max D)
175g Champ. Beast (Long turnover, downwind)
175g Champ. Eagle L (2) (Main fairway Driver)
175g 11x Champ Firebird (sidearm, long flat hyzer)
175g Champion Roadrunner (roller, hyzer flip)
180g 12x KC Pro Roc (2) (one old, one new)
180g ZoneDriven Ontario Roc (dead straight)
180g DX Roc (beat to death)
180g Star Stingray (short range roller, flip-up to right turn)
175g 11x KC Pro Whippet (2) (one old, one new) (utility disc)
175g DX Aviar (beat)
175g SS Warlock (one for putting only, one for shots &lt; 300)

All in a Carolina Revolution Bag.

SK

I'm goin super simple old school

2x Firebird
3x Teebird
3x Roc
3x Aviar

In a bright yellow Fade Crunch

DG Dave, i went slimm like that this weekend for a few fun rounds and i tore up.. i found less decisions made me work the disc more and played better..

Carolina Team bag
Drivers:
Ch. Boss
STAR Destroyer
Ch. Starfire (beat)
Ch Starfire ( new)
CE Eagle (firebirdish)
STAR Eagle (beat)
STAR Eagle (new)
STAR Leopard (newish)
CE Leopard (newish)
CE Leopard (Beat)

Mids:
'05 SB Roc (#1, go to roc, straight flier)
'05 SB Roc (#4, newer getting seasoned)
'08 San Marino Ch Roc
3 Original Ontario Rocs Different stages of wear
STAR Cro
DX Aviar P&amp;A

Putters:
1991 Aviar Putter (go to putter)
1991 Aviar Putt and Approach (turnover putts, longer putts)



Deluxe Mini Bag
Drivers:
Ch. Boss
Ch. Starfire
CE Eagle (overstable)
STAR Eagle (go to driver)
STAR Leopard
CE Leopard (newish getting worked)
CE Leopard (turnover, roller)

Mids:
'05 SB Roc (#3, go to roc)
'08 San Marino Ch. Roc
STAR Cro
DX Aviar P&amp;A

Putters:
1991 Aviar Putter (go to putter)
1991 Aviar Putt and Approach (longer putts, turnover putts)

I decide which bag to use depending on the course. The Mini Deluxe bag has newer discs I'm still getting used to and getting beat in just right.

: ) :

Gave up on the one company thing and now throwing a mixed bag and loving it

2 E Spirit-one new, one used control hyer shots skips and forehand rollers
2 St Xcaliber-Max D hyzer crushes, wind and sidearms
2 Ch Boss-Max D and long turnovers
2 E Illusions-crazy distance rollers and skips
2 E Sabre-control shots of all nature
1 S Sabre-turnovers, quick turn roller, flat footed drives
2 S Demon- Hyzer approaches and thumbers
2 Z Wasp- Flat to slight turn mids
3 Z Buzzz- Flat to turn over mids, finess drives, short rollers
3 S Wizard-all drives within 300 and putts
2 S Magic-quick turn drives, approaches and jump putts
1 Epic-for throwing over everything
All in a Revolution Backpack

What would you have in your bag if there was a 14 disc limit like the limit in golf? I think there used to be a thread like this but I can't find it and I'm bored at work.

: ) :

3x KC Aviars
4x KC Rocs
3x Teebirds
2x Firebirds
2x Boss

Drivers:
Ch Boss (distance driver)
CFR Orinal Mold Starfire
STAR Eagle (control driver)
CE Eagle (firebird)
STAR Leopard (control driver)
CE Leopard (turnover)
CE Leopard (for cheating)

Mids:
05 SB Roc (go to roc)
05 SB Roc (new)
08 Ch San Marino Roc (hyzer roc shots)
STAR Cro
DX Aviar P&amp;A (Approach and upshots)

Putters:
1991 Aviar Putter (Main putter)
1991 Aviar P&amp;A (annhyzer putts, long putts)

: ) :

Probably...

1) Star Starfire (overstable D)
2-3) 2x Pearly Champ Orcs (go-to drivers...one newish, one used-ish)
4) 1.1 Sirius Orion LS (kinda beat for turnovers / rollers)
5) CE Teebird (2nd run I think...nice and flat, dead straight fairway driver)
6) 11x Champ Teebird (nice and slightly-overstable fly-dyed Bird)
7) Champ Firebird (you know)

8) Q Sentinel (flat-top Sanny mold)
9-12) DX Ching Rocs (various stages from new to beaten)

13) Medium Wizard (fairly new, go-to putter)
14) Soft Wizard (well-used...approach putter)

That's pretty much my usual set-up, but I sometimes carry a few "situational" discs: DX XD for touchy approaches, Champ Whippet-x for some trick shots, and Champ Ontario Cobra for long/slow turnovers. I also have a bad habit of carrying extras of certain discs (*cough-PearlyOrc-cough*), even though I never actually pull them out :D

Think I'll try this thinned-out bag for a tournament this Saturday and see how it goes...

2 Ch Firebird (control hyzers)
2 Ch Teebird (flat shots, turnovers)
2 St Wraith (max D, rollers)
2 S Demon (hyzer approaches, thumbers)
3 KC Roc (utility mid)
3 S Wizard (putts, any drive within 300)

(1) 174g ESP Beat Force (bomb drives)
(1) 174g Elite Z New Force (huge hyzers)
(1) 174g Elite Z New Predator (hyzers, scooby flicks, short thumbers)
(1) 174g Elite Z Beat Predator (medium range straight shots)
(1) 174g Elite Z Beat Flash (huge bomb anhyzers)
(1) 174g Elite Z New Flash (long straight shots)
(1) 174g Champion Monarch (tomahawk)
(1) 174g Elite Z Xtreme (thumber)

(1) 174g ESP Meteor (turn over midrange)
(1) 174g QMS (super straight midrange)
(1) 174g Champion Gator (hyzer midrange)
(1) 174g Elite Z Glide (trick shot anhyzers)

(2) 174g ESP Bangor GTs (putting)

Distance Drivers
E Spirit
SRP Raging Inferno
E Diablo DT
E Inferno
E Illusion QC

Fairway Drivers
Pre. T-Bone
E Assassin
E Blaze
E Sabre-FX

Midranges
S Demon
E Warrior
E Element (retooled)

Putters
Medium Wizard
Organic Voodoo

174 Z Flick
174 new ESP Force
174 beat ESP Force
174 new Z Flash
174 ESP XL
174 ESP SS Avenger
174 ESP Drone
174 D Buzz
173 ESP Meteor
174 D Challenger

3 Dx Aviars
3 Dx Rocs
1 Star Valkyrie
2 Champion Teebirds
1 Champion Firebird
1 Champion Wraiths
2 Star Destroyers
1 Champion Boss

I really suck at disc golf right now after 2 knee surgeries and not playing because of my career, but ideal 14 disc bag setup would be:

2x Flat-top Old Z plastic Predators (168g, 172g)
2x 11x KC Pro Teebirds (169g, 172g)
1x DX Stingray (180g)
1x Star Monarch (173g)
1x 2004 USDGC Glow Roc (180g)
2x Blue Sparkle Ron Russell Z-Comets (180g)
1x ESP Comets (180g)
2x Old School Pro-D Comets (180g)
2x DX Aviars (1 beat, 1 new - 175g)

Star Destroyer
SB Tulsa Orc (new)
SB Tulsa Orc (beat)
Champion Orc
Pro Orc
Star TL
Champ RoadRunner (new)
Champ RoadRunner (beat)
Sirius MS
QMS (new)
QMS (beat)
JK Pro Aviar-x (new)
JK Pro Aviar-x
JK Pro Aviar-x (beat)

E Spirit 175g
E Illusion (new) 176g
E Ilusion ( beat in for rolling)176g
E assassin 172g
E sabre ( new) 174g
S Sabre ( slightly broken in)176g
E blaze 174g
S warrior 178g
E Element 180g
S Glow Element 176
Medium Glow Wizard 174( new)
Medium Glow wizard 175(Beat in)
Soft Voodoo 172
soft Glow Wizard 172(for putting)

2 Z Putt'rs
2 Z Comets
1 FR Buzzz
1 Cryztal Buzzz
1 Cryztal Challenger
2 Z Trackers
1 Z Surge
1 ESP Surge
1 ESP Pulse
1 ESP SS Avenger
1 150 Flick

174 Z Flick
174 new ESP Force
174 beat ESP Force
174 new Z Flash
174 ESP XL
174 ESP SS Avenger
174 ESP Drone
174 D Buzz
173 ESP Meteor
174 D Challenger



I am taking 12 for me and BigE is that only 10 in your bag?
Playing a B-tier this weekend with these 12 about my max.

Drivers

2 champ destroyers
pro wraith
star beast
ce teebird (t mold)
kc pro ealge (e-mold)
champ glow banshee

Mids and putters
star gator (no bead)
ce spider
ce classic roc
2 dx big bead aviars

1x Star Leopard (medium weight)
1x Champion Leopard (heavy)
1x Star TeeBird
2x Pro Starfire (1 straight &amp; 1 turning)

2x DX Rancho Roc (1 straight &amp; 1 turning)
1x Star Rancho Roc
1x Z Buzzz (domey)
1x ESP Meteor
1x Pro Shark

1x JK Aviar
1x Star Aviar
1x Champion Rhyno

Star Max
Champion Eagle
Champion Orc
CE Valk
CE Leopard (2)
11X Roc
ESP Buzzz
X Wasp
10X Roc
4 Avairs

Z-Extreme
Z-Pred
10x KC T'Bird
SE-TL
Tulsa Orc
Champ Sidewinder
3 DX Rancho flat~top Rocs
Demon G5i
SE Rhyno
DX Rhyno
Warlock
Aviar P&amp;A

14 super beat 150g hot pink DX Stingrays

Nike Spirit
2 SOLF
3 Champ Eagles
5 Rocs
3 Wizards

3 x DX XD
1 x Pro Pig
1 X Sparkle Z Buzzz SS
1 X CryZtal Buzzz
1 x Z Wasp
1 x Champion Leopard
2 x Star TeeBird
1 x Champion Banshee
2 x Star Wraith
1 x First Run Eco Star XCaliber

E Spirit 175g
E Illusion baby blue 176g
E Sabre ( new) 174g
E Sabre ( extremely broken in)176g
E blaze 174g
1 e warrior 178g
3 e Element 180g
3 med wizards different stages of "beatness or sweetness"
2 Medium Glow wizard 175(Beat in) putting



why are you asking max?

bored at work, thought it would be different

: ) :

Fourteen is still a lot of discs in the bag. I think asking about 2-4 discs would be much more interesting.

174 Z Flick
174 new ESP Force
174 beat ESP Force
174 new Z Flash
174 ESP XL
174 ESP SS Avenger
174 ESP Drone
174 D Buzz
173 ESP Meteor
174 D Challenger



I am taking 12 for me and BigE is that only 10 in your bag?
Playing a B-tier this weekend with these 12 about my max.

Drivers

2 champ destroyers
pro wraith
star beast
ce teebird (t mold)
kc pro ealge (e-mold)
champ glow banshee

Mids and putters
star gator (no bead)
ce spider
ce classic roc
2 dx big bead aviars



Sorry about that :D

174 Z Flick
174 new ESP Force
174 beat ESP Force
(2)174 new Z Flash
174 ESP XL
174 ESP SS Avenger
174 ESP Drone
(2)174 D Buzz
173 ESP Meteor
??? D Swirl
(2)174 D Challenger

Fourteen is still a lot of discs in the bag. I think asking about 2-4 discs would be much more interesting.



there are lots of threads asking about 2-4 discs. I just wanted to get an idea in case there ever was a limit set on discs, and the limit set in golf seemed like a good starting point, i dont think there should be a limit. lets not start that discussion it has been done alot on here.

: ) :

3 M Wizards (1 for putting, 1 flippy, 1 new)
3 dx Rocs (1 new, 1 straight, 1 flippy)
1 E Sabre
1 S CD
2 Z Preds (1 meathook, 1 beat in)
2 Pro Wraiths (1 flippy, 1 new)
1 Champ Boss

same bag as i usually carry:
ce leopard- beat
proline leopard
2 star destroyers
star max
1 supercolor squawky the hawk surge
beat to crap pro wraith
2 ching rocs
2 aviar p&amp;a
1 1080 radius
1 xclone- beat

In my red Twisted Flyer Team Bag from Revolution:

White 167g Pro Destroyer (Twisted Flyer stamp)
Blue 174 Star Destroyer (first run)
White 172 Star Roadrunner (Twisted Flyer stamp)(biggest D)
White 167 Star Wraith
Blue 176 Champion Cobra (2 aces)
Gold 180 1st run C.E. Cobra
Blue 172 Champion Monarch
Orange 171 Champion Valkyrie (1 ace)
Dyed 174 Pro Valkyrie (signed by Juliana on the top)
Orange 150 Flick (1 ace)
Yellow 176 Star Ontario Roc (1 worlds ace)
Yellow 176 CE Tee-Bird (roller only)
Red 167 Star Sidewinder
Red 176 Champion Monster X (3 aces)
Red 176 Aviar-small bead (10 years old)
White 176 JK-X Aviar

So, Pterodactyl, you are saying if there was a limit you would cheat?

: ) :

2 174 Pro (pre Champion)Monster
174 Pro (pre Champion) Firebird
2 168 Pro Destroyer
170 Star Sidewinder
175 Champion Orc
175 Champion Spider
2 175 FLX Surge
167 Champion Valkyrie
3 175 JK Pro Aviar