the "CA" and "CAL" represent the INitials for California on the BOTTOM of the disc... ALL current Innova discs have the location on them.
Secondly it is surely a CE TL x-out then.

Thirdly, very cool that your boy hooks you up with cool plastic. WIsh i had someone with the hookups so i could find more 11x teebirds :)

-Scott Lewis

I think I'm at the stage when I'm about ready to weed out a few discs from the bag, but for right now I've got...

max weight champion firebird
max weight champion banshee
max weight champion orc
max weight champion beast (will probably drop)
max weight pro starfire
max weight champion valkyrie
172g champion viking (may drop)
171g champion sidewinder
max weight CFR TL
max weight pro gremlin
max weight CE spider
max weight CFR x-out classic roc
172g champion gator
max weight champion rhyno
2 170g aviar-x's
164g blowfly 2 (mostly for catch at tournaments)

but yeah, I like everything in the bag, there's just some overlap and time to get rid of a few discs.

I've seen tons of TL's, they were made in champ plastic and sold as CFR discs......CFR plastic is the same as champion, they just charge (make you donate) an arm and a leg for it.

Changed my bag a little here it goes:

1 CE FireBird Fx - Hyzer and headwind
3 Kc TeeBird - Driver
3 Dx Roc - overstable, straight and turnover
2 Dx Rhyno - One for short throws and one for approach
1 Aviar putter - Putting and straight approach

Lots of changes there, i think the rhyno i mutch easier to release then the big bead aviar. and with the sentinel i dont have that accuracy as i have with the rocs, that better explain the changes :)

174g Sidewinder
172g Sidewinder (very flipy)
178g Champ shark
178g 8x roc
172g Champ gazelle
174g Ce firebird
172g ce t-bird
174g Cfr starfire
150g aviar
170g uv challenger
I just started using the gazelle and was surprised at how far it goes. In fact I seem to be able to throw it just as far as my other drivers. I tried dx gazelles and did not like them but the champion gazelle is very predictable. 150g aviar in calm conditions is a great long putter.

Now this would be my play bag, not discs pretty enough for my wall:

Aerobie
-Arrow

Innova
-Gremlin (pro 170)
-Pegasus (DX 148)
-Aero (Champ)
-Ching Sniper (149)

Discraft
-Crush (Z)
-XS (X)

Putter
Mid-Range
Stable Driver
Long Distance Driver
Roller
Make everything else work as utility discs.
12-14 total. Most just hold the other discs straight up.

Oh , and a towel and mini of course. :cool:

175 2nd Run Pro Orc
170 Champ Orc
160 Champ Orc
168 Beat SE Leopard
175 10x Teebird
168 1st Run Z Predator
175 Beat S Element
177 Z Buzzz
175 E Element X
174 Swirl Apx
174 Black Soft Challenger
175 Med Wizard

Add in depending on situation:
174 1st Run Z Extreme
174 Pro D Challenger
171 SE Leopard (New)
175 10x Teebird (New)

Champ Beast
(3) QJLS - beat,med,new
(2) DX Valks - new,roller
JK Valk
Z-Buzz
Glo-Roc
11X Roc
DX Roc - beat
Pro Classic Roc
DX Classic Roc - beat
Champ Spider
Aviar P&A

Champ Beast
(3) QJLS - beat,med,new
(2) DX Valks - new,roller
JK Valk
Z-Buzz
Glo-Roc
11X Roc
DX Roc - beat
Pro Classic Roc
DX Classic Roc - beat
Champ Spider
Aviar P&A



15 discs - 8 molds

175 Proto plastic Wizard (putting)
175 Hard glow Wizard (approaches and drives inside 320')
175 E Wizard (wooded approaches and drives)
168 D Stratus (sharp turnovers)
174 Z Xtreme (utility/thumbers)
170 E Spirit (long hyzers/strong headwind)
174 Z Tsunami (control/windy driver)
166 2003 CFR Starfire (extra driver)
175 Champ Orc (primary driver)
159 Champ Orc (long downwind driver)
174 Champ Sidewinder (long turnovers)

174g Sidewinder
172g Sidewinder (very flipy)



I didn't know they made a non-very flippy Sidewinder! :D

174 F Flick (utility)
174 Z Pred ( Hard Hyzers out to 375 )
170 Z Tsunami ( Shots out to 400 that need to hyzer )
174 Proline Tsunami ( Distance Driver )
174 X Wildcat ( Hyzer flips and long distance tailwind shots )
166 Wildcat ( Long distance Rollers and Annys )
7 BUZZZs 1 X 2 Zs and 4 Ds ( everything 300-375 )
4 Challengers 2 CryZtals and 1 Pro D( anything inside 300 ) 1 2nd Run Cam Todd ( putting )

3 Spirits
3 Sabres
1 Demon
3 E Elements
3 S Wizards

No blazes or Illusions? :D:D

Eh I'll occasionally throw in this one perfectly beat in H Illusion, but never really need it or a Blaze

The blaze is like the best disc I have! :D:D

whats a blaze?

kind of like a faster sentinel. I loveit for anything 400' and in that needs to fade left.

Thats what I use my TSUNAMI for :D

Yeah but this is a driver/mid

I only get mine out to about 330', but yeah the Blaze is amazingly awesome!!!

shane used to throw the illusion, but then I showed him the potential of the spirit, its a sweet pea (especially if urs are pea green like mine lol) Oh yeah the bag (which is constantly changing i might add)
3 Spirits
2 Blazes
1 Sabre (looks to be soon replaceing the blaze)
1 S Demon (Most underrated disc)
2 elements
2 S wizards
1 E wizard

1 "H" illusion
3 "e" Illusions
1 "e" spirit
1 "h" spirit
1 "e"speed demon (straight)
2 "e" sabres
2 "e" blazes
2 "e" elements
1 "e" element X
1 "s" demon
2 soft wizards
1 "e' wizard

Yea baby, E Element all the way.
I still have an H Illusion in there 'cause I can just mash it for huge D on open holes

i use it for big D and even low tight hyzer flips.

What ?
WhAT ?

i throw whatever...
yeah.... what ?

i throw fits

I got somethin fo ya in my bag bia.

i use it for big D and even low tight hyzer flips.



Man...we have REALLY similar game there buddy!

In order of stability:

1 - 1st run Z-Xtreme
2 - Z-Preds
2 - X-Preds
3 - Z-Crush (2 of which are 1st runs)
1 - 1st run X-Avenger
1 - 1st run Z-Flash
1 - 1st run XL (before X plastic was available)
1 - Z-Xpress
1 - 1st run Z-Wasp
1 - 1st run Z-Buzzz
1 - Holiday Buzzz
1 - sticker Magnet
1 - Swirl

mmm those xl's were the bomb, or are they still Hero?

2 S Wizards 175g: Putts, open approaches/short drives
1 Qmega 175g: Wooded/finesse approaches/short drives
1 Champion Gator 175g: Short, overstable utility disc
1 Champion Shark 180g: Primary mid up to 350'+
1 Crystal Z Buzz 178g: Stable driver up to 375'
1 Champion Sidewinder 173g: Ultimate utility disc
1 Champion Orc 175g: Primary finesse/maxD distance driver
1 Tsunami 175g: Primary control distance driver
1 E Spirit 176g: Long w/overstable finish, hyzer shots, wind D
1 Champion Firebird 173g: Exclusively thumbers

[list] 4 orcs ( 166, 170, 175, proline 171 ) 2 beasts ( 167, 172 ) 2 firebirds ( 166, 175 ) 2 teebirds ( 1 dx 175, cfr tl 175 ) 1 jls ( 175 ) 3 rocs ( 2 dx 174, 180, 1 champ 04' 175 ) 1 first run zwasp ( 177 ) 2 jk aviar x ( 1 3x 174, 1 4x stiff 175 )

Hmmmmm............
Today :
175 - Aviar X
180 - Dx Roc
175 - Dx Aviar
174 - Champion T -Bird
174 - Fly Dyed - Champion Viking
171 - Champion FireBird
173 - Pro -StarFire
174 - JLS - ( For low line drives )
174 - Super Beat Up - JLS (For quick rollers - Inside lines)
178 - 8 Time - Climo Roc ( Magic Disc )
174 - Super Beat Up Aviar ( For mid turnover air shots )
174 - Champion Orc

1 -mini and towel
All in my Revolution mini bag with Quad shocks.

Works perfect for weekend play . :D

175 - Classic Aviar (x2)
175 - 1st Run Pro Aviar
175 - DX Aviar circa 1991
180 - 10X KC Roc
174 - DX Roc
175 - Proline Gremlin (x2)
178 - Z Wasp
180 - Q Sentinel
175 - 1st Run CE Firebird
169 - Pro (pre-Champion) Firebird
175 - Pro Firebird FL
175 - Champion Teebird
175 - 10X KC Teebird (x2)
175 - 1st Run Pro Teebird
175 - Champion Viking
174 - Champion Sidewinder
175 - Pro Starfire
174 - Z Predator
172 - 1st Run Z Flash

yes, i have a lot of choices. :D

rhynos
spiders
stratus
demon
ch. leopard
dx beasts
tsunami
z-pred

Hmmmmm............
Today :
175 - Aviar X
180 - Dx Roc
175 - Dx Aviar
174 - Champion T -Bird
174 - Fly Dyed - Champion Viking
171 - Champion FireBird
173 - Pro -StarFire
174 - JLS - ( For low line drives )
174 - Super Beat Up - JLS (For quick rollers - Inside lines)
178 - 8 Time - Climo Roc ( Magic Disc )
174 - Super Beat Up Aviar ( For mid turnover air shots )
174 - Champion Orc

1 -mini and towel
All in my Revolution mini bag with Quad shocks.

Works perfect for weekend play . :D



Opps.............forgot my 171 gram - X out - Champion Whippet X.

2 X-press uphill drivers
2 10X teebirds downhill drivers
2 proline orcs level drivers
1 candy plastic woods chopper, doesn't get chewed up
1 Monster for super hyzer
putter, varies, whatever I find with no name on it, for putting and midrange
2 beers front 9, Budweiser 12 ounce cans, cold
3 beers back 9, Budweiser 12 ounce cans, warm
beef jerkey, Jack Links black pepper
PDGA rule book, rarely used

175 champion monster - ridiculous hyzer shots
172 CE Firebird 2nd run flat - sidearm disc, short L to R holes
172 Champion Firebird - Long Downhill straight shots
Long gentle Hyzers
172 Champion Teebird - Long straight shots
170 CE Valkyrie - Long flat or downhill Anhyzers
150 Champion Sidewinder - Medium to long uphill anhyzers
176 '02 CE Roc - 125'-250' Mids
174 Dx Aviar - 125' and in

Swirl
Challenger
04 GLOW CE Roc
Z-Buzzz
Big Bird DX Roc
X-Comet
Z-Flash
1st run blue Z-Wildcat! :D
Pro Starfire
Z-Crush
Z-Flick
Z-Predator

all max weight

Swirl
Challenger
04 GLOW CE Roc
Z-Buzzz
Big Bird DX Roc
X-Comet
Z-Flash
1st run blue Z-Wildcat! :D
Pro Starfire
Z-Crush
Z-Flick
Z-Predator

all max weight



From post #211828: "There is no other driver that does what a Teebird does. I have 4 in my bag right now. "

I was shocked to see no Teebirds in your bag after considering the above statement. What changed ?

*1 176g White E Speed Demon
*1 174g Glow E Spirit
*1 172g White H Illusion
1 170g Blue Pro Starfire
1 172g Red Champ Viking ("Zipper" maybe?)
1 175g Blue DX Viking
1 175g Opaque Yellow QJLS
1 175g White Pro Teebird-L
1 176g White, sort of transluscent E Sabre
1 174g Blue, almost clear E Sabre
1 172g Yellow S Blaze
*1 174g Orange H Element-X
1 176g Yellow S Element-X
1 182g White E Element
*1 178g Green H Element
1 175g White E Wizard
1 175g Blue S Med. Wizard
1 174g Blue H Wizard
1 175g White SS Wizard




Update:

The TL was lost on hole 17 of Walnut Ridge in Johnston, IA (I swear it looked like a perfect throw but the disc was nowhere to be found). I doubt it will be replaced.

The QJLS is collecting dust since I've been learning the Sabres more. I like it too much to take it out of my bag, though.

I gave the H Element to a friend who was playing for the first time and he lost it on hole 6 of Heritige Park in Ankeny, IA (no real loss, I didn't like it anyway) and replaced with an S Element that's collecting dust. It's there in case I need a disc for a beginner. I'll probably replace that with another E Element as a backup if I play in a tournament.

The H Element-X was taken out for a E Element-X. The S Element X had an encounter with some asphalt and now it's officially "perfectly" seasoned.

The E Spirit and H Illusion are pretty similar at the moment. They resist turn, fade hard and go far. They're great into a headwind and for sidearm shots. This will be an interesting grudge match to see which one gets used the most.

I added a somewhat beat S Spirit that acts kind of like the new E Speed Demon. I use the Spirit the most (mostly overstable headwind or sidearm shots) but that's mostly to get it beat in more. I'd like to keep it until it gets thrashed to see what happens. They're also both great for 'tweener distance flex shots with huge skips.

I'm trying to beat the DX Viking into a long turnover driver. It may also be a distance roller if I ever learn how to roll.

The Blaze is getting more and more beat and may need a partner. I've heard good things about the newer, clearer E Blazes.

The clearer E Sabre is kind of hard to find sometimes. I aquired another white one so I may put that on in instead as a backup.

The Wizards are holding their own really well. I could remove the H Wizard and probably get by, but that's another disc that's in there for luck/sentimental reasons.

I played a few new courses since my last post that really took me out of my comfort zone. It became much more obvious which discs I "need" and which ones probably aren't necessary.

175 - 2nd run CFR Starfire
172 - 1st run CFR Starfire
169 - Champion Orc
175 - Pro Line Monster
174 - Star Stamp Sidewinder
179 - 2001 CE Roc
179 - 10x Kc Pro Roc
179 - 9x Kc Pro Roc
174 - Beat up 3x JK Pro Aviar
171 - Main Putter REd BB Grid Aviar

169 - Champion Orc

Would that be a little more stable than a 169 Pro Orc ?

2 pro starfires
1 11x teebird
1 10x teebird
1 pro firebird
1 champ firebird
1 champ sidewinder
1 SE leopard
3 rocs (1 flat top, i special blend, & 1 dx)
2 magnets (1 D & 1 photon)
1 soft wizard

3 - Orcs (168,171,175)
3 - Rocs (10x, Glow, DX)
2 - Magnets (first run, 02 mold)
2 - Firebirds (pro & champ)
2 - Sidewinders (164 & 172ish)

1 - Pro Starfire (for now)

Mmmmmmmmm...........Pro Starfire.

Somehow i managed to lose PUTTERS this weekend.
One I lost while playing a casual round with Steve Brinster at Hole #10 Warwick Short to Long.
THe other I lost while throwing around at a FIELD. That's bad!

My bag as of now:
2x Classic Aviar (1 beat, 1 new)
1x JK Aviar-x
1x 1st Run Buzzz (beat)
1x E Element-x
1x '05 CE ROC x-out
1x DX Gazelle (Seriously beat. roller)
1x Champion Leapord
3x 11xTeebird
1x Proline MOnster

This is the first time in a while i only have 3 putters in the bag.. Throwing putters is the main part of my game and i have no beat up putters anymore so i can only throw my classic for now :(

-Scott Lewis

Scott,

Go out and play a round or two at Vineland with just a new putter... you'll definitely have it nice and seasoned by then... play "tree golf" if a normal round isnt working fast enough..

2 Pro Starfires
2 Champ Orcs
2 Champ Firebirds
1 Champ Monster
1 Star Sidewinder
1 Griffin (thanks Cambagger)
2 Magnets

Eric, only you could play one rounds, and hit enough trees to have one seasoned. JK. (and not the avair) Anyways scott didnt you only have two at tinicum this weekend? Oh yea my bag recently changed:
3 Spirits
3 Sabres
1 S Demon
3 Elements
3 Wizards

In the bag now:
2002 CE roc
11x KC roc
SE super roc
glow DX roc
Old Brick Aviar
DX beast
CE leopard
Ch. Monster
2 Ch. Orc's
Speed Demon
CE TL
1 sparkle and 1 pro line Tsunami

Eric, only you could play one rounds, and hit enough trees to have one seasoned. JK. (and not the avair) Anyways scott didnt you only have two at tinicum this weekend? Oh yea my bag recently changed:
3 Spirits
3 Sabres
1 S Demon
3 Elements
3 Wizards



BTW, i don' t throw beat putters at all... prefer them overstable.

2 pro starfires
1 11x teebird
1 10x teebird
1 pro firebird
1 champ firebird
1 champ whippet
1 champ sidewinder
1 SE leopard
3 rocs (1 flat top, i special blend, & 1 dx)
2 magnets (1 D & 1 photon)
1 soft wizard



left off the whippet. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Swirl
Challenger
04 GLOW CE Roc
Z-Buzzz
Big Bird DX Roc
X-Comet
Z-Flash
1st run blue Z-Wildcat! :D
Pro Starfire
Z-Crush
Z-Flick
Z-Predator

all max weight



From post #211828: "There is no other driver that does what a Teebird does. I have 4 in my bag right now. "

I was shocked to see no Teebirds in your bag after considering the above statement. What changed ?



Well, the only Teebirds that I really liked were the 10x and the CE TL's. Both are hard to come by and fairly pricey. The Wildcat I have is very similar.

Is the Z stuff any good for Putting ?

huh? Z-challenger? I wouldn't know. I wouldn't use any premium plastic for putting.

RADL stamped aviar(Upshots)
TL
soft magnet
2 cobras (Pro)
2 sidewinders
2 very old xclones(for funky trickshots/tomahawks)
4 orcs(1x175g , 2x 171g, 1x 169g that is very flippy)

2 Soft Challengers
1 4x JK Aviar-used as my driver on short holes
1 2003 CE Roc
1 ZWasp
1 Sidewinder
2 JK Valks

After losing 3 discs at renny, I am going to be adding a Xwasp, Orc, and probably a pro starfire into my bag. Orc for wooded holes and starfire for open holes.

How do your Challengers compare to your Aviar X's ?

Willie.. sup dude..
I actually had 4 putters at tinicum.. I had a fools on the hills stamped Aviar, classic aviar, crystal z challenger, and JK Aviar.

Anyway..
I went out today, after being so [I'm a potty-mouth!] off with my play this weekend, And decided i'd play the weekly tags with just 4 discs:
Classic Aviar
JK Aviar
Beat 1st run Buzzz
Beat 11x Teebird.

I haven't thrown so well in a long time.. My throws were great, my putts were on and i think i ended up with the #2 tag.
I was so angry with my throwing recently i figured no need for so many discs as they all fly the same(BADLY). I played really well with just 4 discs and will probably do it again soon.

Keep in touch will and Eric i beat in my JK a little after getting 4 aceruns and 3 basket hits today.

-Scott Lewis

Musta sucked not getting to throw the putters that much at Tinny though. You playing Nocka? I gotta get down with these nick-names... Pennsylvanians (ites?) seem to enjoy them...

Shane.. It kinda sucked, but i wasn't throwing well at all at tinicum. I also wasn't putting that great although i had some nice putts that did go in.
I finally got home and practiced with Lesli had told me and i've really changed my putt. I'm a little more consistent, but i don't have to try as hard because i'm using my knees to generate power instead of my arm.

I think i'm just gonna go to a tourney with 4 discs.. maybe i'll do better.. Ron Russell Style!

-Scott Lewis

Definitely gotta give "props" to Russell. It's always good though to go down to the bare minimum to get down with your own form and then just fill your bag back in. And definitely start playing with just one TeeBird so you get one really beat up instead of all of them equally. But who am I to give advice? lol I duno if Nockamixon is the place to play w/ 4 discs or not... but maybe since I heard that all you have to do is hit the fairways...

How do your Challengers compare to your Aviar X's ?



I think the challengers are slightly more stiff than the Aviar. I like having soft putters if I want to use them as an approach or driver. I have issues with gripping and releasing a firm putter for some reason.

3 high speed drivers- 1 overstable E Spirit 1- broken in E Spirit I new H illusion
3 long range drivers,- 2 e Sabres 1 H/E sabre
3 mid-range I e Blaze and 2 S ( 1 broken in and 1 really broken in
4 putters 1 E wizard and 2 s ( 1 broken in and 1 really broken in; 1 medium flex with very tacky grip for putting.
ALl discs between 172 and 175 mostly white, a couple of tye dyes, one hot pink and a 2 yellow

Is the Z stuff any good for Putting ?



No, the Z-Challenger is too slick. However it does make a good approach disc. I prefer the cryztal over the Z anyday.

PT Woods
# 20431

Drivers:
4x Valk 175
CFR SL 175
CFR SF 175
Ch. TB 175
CE Eagle 175

Mid:
Early Rancho Roc beat 180
05 SB Roc 180
05 Prerelease Roc 180
10x Roc 180
05 Glow Roc 180
DX Roc 180 water disc
11x Roc 180 water disc

Approach/ Misc.:
10x Aviar 175
SB Aviar 175
CE Stingray 180
DX RAM 180

Putters:
"Hands" Aviar 175
"Purple" Aviar Putter 175

: ) :

ICE!!

in the bag:

1x Classic Aviar
1x JK Aviar-x
1x CHampion Stingray
1x First run Buzzz
1x FLAT Z-Buzzz
1x 11x Teebird
1x Proline Monster

-Scott Lewis

here's what I have in my bag right now:

drivers:
CE Orc 175
CE Orc 171
Pro Orc 175
CE Beast 175 (1st run)
4x CE Valk 175
Sidewinder 175
Pro Monster 175

Mids:
KC Pro Roc 180
Buzz 175
Element X 175
Pro Leopard 175

Putters:
2 Soft Challengers 175 & 172
SE Soft Rhyno 175
KC Pro Aviar 175

Right Now:

3 Spirits (2 Nike "E" and 1 "E")
4 Illusions (1 Puffy "E", 1 Clear "E", and 2 "H")
2 Sabres (Both Clear "E")
1 Blaze (Clear "E")
2 ElementXs (1 "E" and 1 "S")
6 Wizards (2 Glow "E", 1 old G9i, 1 Glow "S", and 2 Soft "S")

I have a lot of overlap and backups, and could play just as good with half the numbers, but I don't like changing my bag TOO much between tournies.

3 dx spiders
s demon
d stratus

2 dx tees
2 dx beasts
tsunami
z-pred

Champ Zipper Viking
DX Viking
(2) Pro Starfire
Starfire SL
(2) DX Orc
Pro Aviar
Super Roc
SB Roc
Champ Coyote

right now...

putter - Omega AP
putter - green Champion Aero
putter - 10x Aviar
2005 Spectator Champion Roc (OverStable as all getout)
2005 Special Blend Roc (straight to slight fade)
2002 CE Roc (straight to straight turnover roc)
Champion Coyote (straight glider. still learning)
Champion Stingray (straight to turnover shots, tailwind drives)
CE Firebird - Back in the bag after 2 years lost - hyzers.
Champion Monster (166gm) - goto overstable driver, headwinds, annie flex, super spike hyzers, sidearm escapes.
Champion Starfire-X - Go to accuracy driver.
Blue Opaque Champion Orc (aka night shift) - main driver, slight turn, low straight drives.
Pro Starfire (168g) White w/WNC stamp - Turnover driver. Good glide, flies far withless effort.
Champion Leopard - The do everything disc. Ripping turnover drives, straight drives, approaches, rollers, uphill drives, narrow drives, long slow hyzers, you name it, it's done it.

2 Champion TeeBirds 168g & 171g
DX TeeBird 169g
Champion Valkyrie 170g
Pro Starfire 170g
Champion Orc 170g
Champion Sidewinder 171g
Champion Firebird 172g

DX Roc 174g
EliteX MRV 173g

DX Aviar P&A 174g
Champion Rhyno 175g

-D

Champion FireBird
Aviar X
Champion Viking
Champion Coyote
Heavy DX Roc
T- Bird ( Always )
Aviar - ( Putt & Approach )
Champion Orc
Pro - StarFire
Roller ( JLS I Think )

<table border=1><tr><td colspan = 3 align=center>Drivers</td></tr><tr><td>Disc</td><td>Color</td><td>Weight</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Z-XS Lumberjack Open Stamped</td><td>Blue</td><td>168</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Z-Flash</td><td>Yellow-Green</td><td>166</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Z-Flash</td><td>Yellow</td><td>170</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft 1st Run Avenger</td><td>White/Purple</td><td>164</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft 1st Run Avenger</td><td>White/Red</td><td>168</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft 1st Run Avenger</td><td>Yellow/Red</td><td>172</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft 1st Run Avenger</td><td>White/Purple</td><td>174</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Talon</td><td>Tie Dye</td><td>174</td></tr><tr><td>Innova/Millenium Polaris LS</td><td>White</td><td>175</td></tr><tr><td>Innova/Millenium JLS</td><td>Red</td><td>171</td></tr><tr><td colspan = 3 align=center>Midrange/Short Drivers</td></tr><tr><td>Disc</td><td>Color</td><td>Weight</td></tr>
<tr><td>Discraft Stratus</td><td>Tie Dye</td><td>174</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Ace Race Glide</td><td>Red-Orange</td><td>174</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Z-Buzzz Club Dead Stamped(wasp labeled)</td><td>Clear</td><td>177</td></tr><tr><td>Discraft Breeze</td><td>Day Glo</td><td>171</td></tr><tr><td>Gateway Demon</td><td>Red</td><td>166</td></tr><tr><td>Gateway Wizard (medium)</td><td>Pea Green</td><td>175</td></tr><tr><td colspan = 3 align=center>Putter</td></tr><tr><td>Disc</td><td>Color</td><td>Weight</td></tr>
<tr><td>Gateway Wizard (super soft)</td><td>White</td><td>168</td></tr></table>

Update:

Swirlie Swirl
SuperColor Challenger
04 CE GLOW ROC
Big Bird Rancho Roc
X-Comet
1st Run Z-Wildcat (this disc does everything from straight tunnel shots to long rollers. I love it)
1st run Avenger - Straight Power shots
2 Z-Crushes - Long hyzers, light headwinds, long S-Curves
2 Z-Predators - Wind disc, spike hyzers, sidearm

Happy Birthday Kid !!!!!! Hope you have a chance to get an ACE today !!!!!! :D

Thanks but I think you forgot to ask where I want my present sent. :D

4 dx spiders---asst. weights and beatness everything under 325, inc. putts
1 stratus---rollers
3 teebirds--- 2 170 dx-most drives, 1-175 champ--hyzers, sidearms
2 dx beasts--- if the tee can't quite get there
2 z-preds---overstable disc

172g Talon- Works as my overstable driver
167g Valk- for long shots on wide open holes. This disc is beat to crap and turns over easily but likes to come back. Great for S-curves.
176g Roc- long approach shots. This is the dx version with the "stable mid-range driver" stamp.
175g Avair- This is in the champ plastic and has a nice reliable fade.
172g Omega SS- A nice soft aviar. I love this disc and my game has improved since purchasing it.

I am a new player but I'm learning fast. What disc do you think would make a good addition to my arsenal? What disc should I get rid of, if any?

172g Talon- Works as my overstable driver
167g Valk- for long shots on wide open holes. This disc is beat to crap and turns over easily but likes to come back. Great for S-curves.
176g Roc- long approach shots. This is the dx version with the "stable mid-range driver" stamp.
175g Avair- This is in the champ plastic and has a nice reliable fade.
172g Omega SS- A nice soft aviar. I love this disc and my game has improved since purchasing it.

I am a new player but I'm learning fast. What disc do you think would make a good addition to my arsenal? What disc should I get rid of, if any?



I would recommend getting a Leopard. I'm kind of partial to the older Prolines and the SE Leopards, but they are a little harder to find. Great disc for learning control and learning to hyzer-flip. Excellent for tight tunnel shots and turnover shots.

2 Champ Teebirds
1 Champ Teebird TL
3 KC Pro Teebirds (various weights)
1 SE Teebird
1 Champ Orc
1 Champ Firebird
1 Champ Eagle
1 KC Pro Cheetah
1 DX Cheetah
1 DX Gazelle
1 DX (1st Run) Valkyrie
2 DX Rocs
1 Super Roc
2 DX Aviar P&A

2 Marker Discs
1 Sheet of Sand Paper
1 Towel

my bag has changed a little, but not much:

2x classic Aviar
1x JK Aviar-x 4time
1x Champion stingray(takes place of beat gazelle for now)
1x First Run Z-buzzz
1x Flat top Z-buzzz
2x KC 11x Teebirds
1x Champion Monster...

-Scott Lewis

2 10x KC Pro Aviars
3 Z Buzzz's
2 Crushes
1 Orc
1 Monster
1 Tsunami

Swirl
Challenger
1st run Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
Big Bird DX Roc
X-Comet
Pro Starfire (losing interest in this disc)
1st run Z-Wildcat
Avenger
2 Z-Crushes
2 Z-Predators

(3) omega super softs different stablities
(2) illusions
(2) spirits
(3) rocs - 1 ontario, 1-big bird, 1-dx PYMWYMI last edition :(

I can make bogey with any one of these lol

(3) omega super softs different stablities
(2) illusions
(2) spirits
(3) rocs - 1 ontario, 1-big bird, 1-dx PYMWYMI last edition :(

I can make bogey with any one of these lol



Another Spirit thrower...nice!!!

Champion Valkyrie
Champion TeeBird
Champion Sidewinder
Champion Stingray
Pro Starfire
DX Roc - EIEIO Stamp
DX Shark
Wham-O 91 Mold - super flippy
Discraft Sky-Streak - old school floater
Aviar Putter
ShuttlePuppy - '83 Worlds Stamp

2 Tsunamis
1 Z Avenger
2 Z Wildcats
1 Z Tracker
1 Z Wasp
1 1st Run Z BUZZZ
4 D BUZZZs
4 Challengers (1 Crystal - 1 Pro D - 2 2nd Run Cam Todds

2 Orcs
3 Teebirds
1 Firebird
4 Rocs
3 Aviars

2 Orcs
3 Teebirds
1 Firebird
4 Rocs
3 Aviars



That looks uncannily similar to my pre-Gateway bag. Literally identical. Now it's:

3 E Spirits
2 E Sabres
1 S Sabre
3 E Elements
2 S Wizards
1 E Wizard

1 Firebird
2 Orcs (SB & Champ)
2 TeeBirds (Champ & TL)
1 Sidewinder
4 Rocs (2 DX, 1-2 KC, Pro or Champ)
2-3 Aviars (CE, P&A, KC)

Playing better with 12-13 discs than with the 21 I used to carry.

2 11x teebirds
2 firebirds
2 TLs
1 CFR Starfire
4 rocs
1 champ shark
5 aviars

Nowaday's it's: 2- ce teebirds, 3- champ sidewinders, 1- champ eagle, 1- champ viking, 3- proline monsters, 1- champ monster, 1- champ firebird, 1- champ orc, 1- ce eagle, 1- z wildcat, 1- champ whippet, 1- champ stingray, 1- champ shark, 1- q- mega, 1- jk aviar 4x putter

(3) omega super softs different stablities
(2) illusions
(2) spirits
(3) rocs - 1 ontario, 1-big bird, 1-dx PYMWYMI last edition :(

I can make bogey with any one of these lol



Another Spirit thrower...nice!!!



yes sir, I have three identical pea green ones! going to tune one this afternoon and leave the other two brand new! I get 10 disc at a time, 5 illusions, and 5 spirits. h and e

Nowaday's it's: 2- ce teebirds, 3- champ sidewinders, 1- champ eagle, 1- champ viking, 3- proline monsters, 1- champ monster, 1- champ firebird, 1- champ orc, 1- ce eagle, 1- z wildcat, 1- champ whippet, 1- champ stingray, 1- champ shark, 1- q- mega, 1- jk aviar 4x putter



What kind of course do you play where you would need 4 monsters, 2 eagles, a firebird, and a champ. whippet?

That looks uncannily similar to my pre-Gateway bag. Literally identical.



You must be a good player. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
If you wanna give me you're old stuff I'd be happy to take it!

Ch Monster
Ch Teebird
X Predator
Pro Orc
DX Beast
DX Teebird
Z Wasp
X Wasp
D Hawk
2 Aviar Putters(168 & 173)

2 Champion Orcs...1st and 3rd....D
1st Run Pro Line Beast..............FHR
1st Run Sidewinder....................BHR
Pro Line Monster.......................Headwind
2 CE Leopards..........................Fairway
Champion Banshee...................2-Fingers

Champion Coyote
DX Poppy Top Roc
Pro Line Gremlin

10x KC
2 DX Aviars

Two APX swirls (putts)
Two Avairs (up shots)
Three champ tee-birds (consistent hyzers)
Three champ leapers (strait, and turn over shoots)
Two monsters (trick shoots)
Four BS rocs
Three CFR starfires (distance)
All in different stages.

1 Firebird
3 Eagles
3 Teebirds- 1 Tmold, 2 Tl
2 Valks
4 Rocs
2 KC Aviars
2 Aviar Putters

The valks probably won't be in my bag much longer though and I need to replace a leopard I just lost for a backhand roller disc.

Champ Whippet - Trick shots
Champ Firebird,Starfire,Orc, Beast - Distance (different wind conditions)
Z-Predator - Meat Hook Hyzers
Z-Talon - Normal drives left
2 Champ Teebirds, Z-XL - Straight normal drives (different wind)
2 Champ Leopard - Turnover/roller
2 Z-Wasp's - overstable mids
3 Z-Buzzz's - 2 straight (winds) 1 turnover
Champ Gator - short meat hooks/forehand approaches
3 Challengers - crystal (approach), CT (heavy wind putts), Pro-D (regular putts)

Champ Orc
Champ TeeBird
Champ Monster
Drone
X Buzzz
D Challenger
Towel
Dual mini fully loaded
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

DX Beast 172
Pro Starfire 172
Champ Eagle 170
Champ Teebird 171
Pro Teebird 150
Champ Sidewinder 168
DX Gator 165
DX XD 165
2 cheap Upshot putters

Wow!

I guess they don't cen5or signatures.

Interesting.

Omega SS
S Wizard (glow, hard)
E Wizard
D Stratus
Z Buzzz (1st run)
S Demon
Z Xtreme
E Sabre
Z Tsunami
Champ Orc
CFR Starfire (1st run)
E Spirit

1 Z Flick 175
1 CE Firebird FL 172
1 Champ. Orc 171
1 Pro Orc 172
1 CE Eagle 175
1 Champ. Eagle 164
1 Champ Teebird 172
1 Pro Teebird 172
1 CFR Glow Starfire 173
1 Pro Starfire 172
1 JK Valk 172
1 Champ. Sidewinder 171
1 Special Blend Roc 180
1 Beat KC Roc 177
1 Champ. Whippet 174
1 Hard Wizard 174
1 Soft Wizard 174


...whew

CE Firebird- 173
CE Teebird- 175
Champ Teebird- 170
CE Valk- 171
CE Valk- 172
Champ Valk- 172
'01 Roc- 180
'05 Glo- 180
SB Roc- 179
11X Roc- 180
DX Roc- 180
Ching Roc- 180
10X Aviar- 175
CE Aviar- 174
P&A (2)- 175

I actually slimmed down yesterday but feel I need to do more.....

Champ Orc 165
Champ Orc 171
Champ Orc 175
Champ Firebird 173
Glow Roc 180
2004 USDGC Roc 180
2003 USDGC Roc 171
Proline Gremlin ??? Doesn't Matter
2 S Wizards 175
Gold Bond blue bottle

My casual round set-up is...

1 Champ TeeBird
1 Champ Orc
1 Champ Firebird
1 Champ Monster
1 D XL
1 X Buzzz
1 Crystal Challenger
1 D Challenger

My tournament round set-up is...

1 Champ TeeBird
1 Champ Orc
1 Champ Firebird
1 Champ Monster
1 D XL
1 X Buzzz
1 Crystal Challenger
1 D Challenger

It looks like a lot of you guys should slim down /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Sorry to bring up old posts, but I love seeing what everyone is throwing these days. Dave, I think many people need to lighten up a little also, but what ever works. My Current set up after tonight is going to be:
2 175 KC Pro Aviars
1 175 Champion Firebird
1 175 Champion Teebird
1 175 Champion Orc
1 180 Champion Shark
1 178 Champion Coyote
1 180 DX Stingray
8 discs total in a Innova Tour Bag which holds over 20 discs, but I like to carry extra goodies (snacks, ibuprofen, water, etc.) Wow, I have no Roc in my bag, replaced by the Coyote. Feels better in my hand and when I miss with it, it is still in decent putting range. The rocs of today are not like the ones when I used to play serious golf, the Coyote is a great disc. Once again, sorry to bring back an old post, but I like to see how peoples bags change due to new plastic cominig out, etc.

I TOTALLY agree the Rocs made today arent the same as they were even maybe, 3 years ago. (Im thinking of the DX Rocs and I guess the KC too)

I have been keeping it simple with good results lately.

3 sidewinders: 166 calvert stamp, a little domey and relatively overstable for a winder.
166 sidewinder
165 sidewinder
166 champion stingray
178 USDGC SB roc (have not been using it at all, always the champ stingray, but still need it for "security".)
2 174 champion putters.

That's it!

BTW I am loving the jump putt /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

174 Champ Monster
170 Champ Firebird
150 Z-Flick
170 JK 4x Pro Valk (the opaque stuff)
167 Pro Valk (the new stuff)
168 DX Valk (in and out of the bag...today it is in)
150 Champ Valk
169 Z-Flash
168 DX TBird
175 CFR TL
171 Pro TL
175 Champ Sidewinder
174 CryZtal Buzz
171 Ace Race Glide
174 Z-Wasp
170 Z-MRV
178 2004 Super Roc
169 DGA Blowfly
171 Medium Wizard
174 JK Aviar (the newest run)

I need to reduce my driver stash. I am trying to decide between the 3 Tbirds. I need to beat in the DX one or else get the CFR dialed in better. I could also probably lose one of either the Flick, Firebird or Monster. The Flash might be going away too...I am either loving or hating it daily.

Drivers
171 11x Champ Teebird
165 11x Champ Teebird - Back-up
168 Champ BS Beast
163 Champ Beast - Back-up
150 dx Beast
168 CE Saber
174 Champ Sidewinder
175 11x Champ Firebird

Midrange
167 S Element-X
177 S Element-X
172 Z Buzzz
169 Z Buzzz

Putters
175 Champ Rhyno
171 Soft Wizard
168 H/E Wizard

As of today:

Putters:

DX Aviar- 175g.- 40ft and in
Bulldog- 175g.- 40ft and out
KC 10x- 175g.- Off the tee and Approach
DX Aviar- 175g.- Beat to hell for turnovers

Midrange:

Champion GLO Coyote- Xout- 180g.- See other threads.
Champion Des Moines Coyote-180g.-See above

Drivers:

CE Leopard- 173g.- Straight to turnover
CE Leopard- 175g.- Straight to hyser
1st Run Pro Line Beast-175g.- Rollers/ Long turnovers
1st Run Champion Orc-175g.-Distance
1st Run Pro Line Monster-175g.-Hyser
Champion Banshee-175g.- 2 fingers, overheads, hysers

My bag has changed significantly...No more Innova.

Z Avenger
Z Flick
Z Predator
Z Talon
Sparkle Tsunami

Z Buzzz
X Buzzz

D Challenger

Still have my Huk Lab dual mini fully loaded /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

Do you have back problems? Thats alot of discs!

Do you have back problems? Thats alot of discs!



20 discs at an average of 175g per disc only comes out to about 7.7 pounds. Does going from 3.85 pounds to 7.7 pounds really make that big of a difference?

in the bag in flagstaff and out in raleigh

171 champ orc
171 sidewinder

3 E Spirits
3 Sabres (2 E, 1 S)
1 S Demon
3 E Elements
3 Wizards (2 S, 1 E)

amen brotha. My water bottle is what really weighs the bag down...no worries though...lost that heavy, heavy, DX Teebird at league today....stupid wind!!!

My bag has changed significantly...No more Innova.

Z Avenger
Z Flick
Z Predator
Z Talon
Sparkle Tsunami

Z Buzzz
X Buzzz

D Challenger

Still have my Huk Lab dual mini fully loaded /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.



Does your courses have any anhyzer shots? All your drivers are overstable.

After many fits & starts, and against my better judgment, I've officially given up on Rocs & my 150g supersoft Polecat. My current bag:
154g Ch. Sidewinder (gummy)
144g DX Eagle (super-beat)
149g ProLine Leopard (gummy)
154g Ch. Orc (gummy)
149g 11x Teebird (gummy)
150g Ch. Banshee (gummy)
164g Ch. Whippet-x (gummy)
166g DX Gremlin (beat)
171g DX Gremlin
171g ProLine Gremlin
171g 10x KC Aviar (beat)
171g 11x KC Aviar (fairly new)
175g 3x JK Aviar (hypersoft)

2 ce FX 1 light 1 heavy
1 ce FL
1 ce TB
1 pro TL
2 ce Valk 1 beat(roller) 1 slightly beat
1 ce valk flat (long roller..long thumber)
5 rocs(2 kc 10X 1 stable 1 understable..2 bottom stamp 1 really understable 1 straight..1 ce 2002 long and straight)
3 aviars 2 ce 1 kc
1 glo aviar (putter)

like the ORC but havent decided if it's good for tourneys yet

Jay

3 dx spiders 2 175, 1 167
1 champ gator 174
1 dx beast 150
2 x-avg 172
1 z-avg 174
1 tsunami 173
1 z-pred 174

everyone else seems to be making changes, i don't want to be left out :)

174 Champ Valk
172 Champ Valk
150 Champ Valk
150 Champ Valk
156 S Spririt
165 S Spirit
181 S Element X
180 S Element X
166 S Element
170 CE Element
172 S Wizard Med
171 S Wizard Med
170 S Wizard Soft

plus the two towels, a couple minis, pens, markers, aleve, rule book, and the always heavy water bottle

Haven't done this in awhile

3 Pro Starfires
1 Champ T Bird
1 CFR TL
1 CE T Bird
1 Firebird
2 18X KC Rocs
1 E Element
1 Elite X Wasp
2 D Challengers
1 Chap Rhyno

1 champ orc
1 pro orc
2 champ T birds
1 champ firebird
1 dx roc
1 champ spider
1 pro d challenger

Still got that Element that I gave ya? Sweet huh?

If you want any more, I have 3 E's that I would trade.

MY bag at a tournament at my Home Course:
2x Classic Aviar
1x JK Aviar-x 4time(super soft)
1x 1st Run Z-buzzz(beat for flat/turnover)
1x Flat top Z-buzzz(flat/hyzer)
1x Z-wasp(Never used)
1x 1st Run X-Avenger (Distance/Turnover)
2x 11x KC Teebirds( Flat/Turn/Hyzer/Flex/ETC)
1x Proline Monster

The wasp was useless as it wasn't windy and the flat buzzz hyzered fine. I only used the X-avenger on 2 holes that i could have just used the Teebirds.

I'd probably add in a CHamp Stingray for courses i don't know just incase i need that distance turnover shot.

-Scott Lewis

Got a ace with a tree assist with that one flips up and flies dead straight... whatcha whatcha whatcha want

ce

2 Soft challengers
1 Pro D challenger
1 super beat up soft magnet
1 Crystal Challenger(experimenting)
2 1st run Z Buzz
1 1st run Z Wasp
1 1st run Z Crush
1 1st run Z Avenger
1 Elite Stratus
1 Z Predator

doubledouble post :D

Z-Xtreme (1)
X-Avenger (1)
Z- Talon (3)
Z-XL (2)
X-XL (1)
KC Roc (2)
Ontario Roc (1)
Old skool Comet (1)
Pro-D Challenger (2)
D-Rattler (1)

With these discs, I am one happy man. I am looking forward to throwing the Z-Tracker when it gets here.

CE Eagle "L" 173g (Big hyzers, switch out with CE F when too windy)
CE Teebird 175g (Longer hyzers, straight with wind etc)
Champ Teebird 170g (My "go to" disc for anything)
CE Valk 171g (slightly beat and OH SO NICE!!)
CE Valk 171g (REALLY beat, doesnt get much use)
Glow 2005 Champ Roc 180g (should just take this out)
SB Roc 179g (straight to slight hyzer)
Ring of Rocs ROC 180g ( breaking in period)
11X KC Pro Roc 180g (slight hyzer, blind shots)
Ching stamped Roc (Old School) 180g (Does it all)
10X KC Aviar 174g (Off the tee or hyzer approach)
CE Aviar 174g (slight anny or dead straight)
DX P&A 175g (Main putter)
DX P&A 175g (Back up and for warming up)

Been a while but there it is...And I did slim the bag down but it still looks like I carry too many discs....

174 Champ Monster
170 Champ Firebird
150 Z-Flick
170 JK 4x Pro Valk (the opaque stuff)
167 Pro Valk (the new stuff)
168 DX Valk (in and out of the bag...today it is in)
150 Champ Valk
169 Z-Flash
168 DX TBird
175 CFR TL
171 Pro TL
175 Champ Sidewinder
174 CryZtal Buzz
171 Ace Race Glide
174 Z-Wasp
170 Z-MRV
178 2004 Super Roc
169 DGA Blowfly
171 Medium Wizard
174 JK Aviar (the newest run)

I need to reduce my driver stash. I am trying to decide between the 3 Tbirds. I need to beat in the DX one or else get the CFR dialed in better. I could also probably lose one of either the Flick, Firebird or Monster. The Flash might be going away too...I am either loving or hating it daily.



Today was a bag changing day!! I lost the DX T-bird at noon league, almost lost the gator at evening league, but the biggest surprise was the TL.

FIRST ACE!!!! I nailed a 300+ foot hole into the wind with the Pro TL. I got the ace pot too!! And won league!!! A $90 night from a $3 entry fee!!! WOO HOO!!!! Plus this means I get to go disc shopping! Gotta replace the TL. It is going on the wall!!!! :cool:

everyone else seems to be making changes, i don't want to be left out :)

174 Champ Valk
172 Champ Valk
150 Champ Valk
150 Champ Valk
156 S Spririt
165 S Spirit
181 S Element X
180 S Element X
166 S Element
170 CE Element
172 S Wizard Med
171 S Wizard Med
170 S Wizard Soft

plus the two towels, a couple minis, pens, markers, aleve, rule book, and the always heavy water bottle



Exchange the Valks for Vikings and that's close to what I throw. I'm still fiddling around with Sabres and Blazes, too, though.

I have also made some changes

Drivers 450 and in
1 174 Z Pred (the rubbery cloudy kind :D)~~Hard Hyzer drives Forehands and Skips
1 170 Z Tsunami~~Long Hyzers, Forehands and Spikes
1 174 Fusion Tsunami~~Distance shots
1 174 Z Avenger~~Longer Distance shots
1 174 X Avenger (slightly beat)~~Hyzer flips, Turnover drives and Rollers
1 173 Z Tracker~~Shots that my BUZZZ just cant reach

Midranges 370 and in
1 177 Z Wasp~~Hard Hyzers
1 178 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~Straight shots
1 174 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~ Turnover shots
1 177 D BUZZZ (slightly beat)~~Finesse upshots and flippy shots
1 177 D BUZZZ (very beat)~~Same as above just more understable

Putters 300 and in
2 2nd Run Cam Todd Challengers (1 for putting 1 New for driving) Drives that I need to fade left at end of flight
1 Crystal Challenger (upshots and driving)~~ Just about ALL upshots
2 Pro D Challengers (1 new and 1 slightly beat)~~New for straight and Slightly beat for turns and straight shots release with hyzer

Okay, so after some rounds with some new stuff in my bag, I went back to the basics and what I know.
3 KC aviars-2 beat for putting, one new for drives for up to 375 feet
1 KC Roc, for straight to slight hyzer shots up to 420 feet
1 DX Roc for turnover shots up to 420 feet
1 Whippet X for headwinds,spike hyzers, and long hyzers
1 DX Stingray for Flippy rollers
1 Champion Teebird for anything over 420 feet, and long rollers

Drivers
3 Tsunamis (1 original DGLO, I Z, and 1 semi beat Reg Plastic)
2 X-crushes
1 X-Avenger
1 Z-tracker
1 really beat Z-Wildcat
1 Old elite XL

Midrange
1 Z-wasp
1 Semi beat Z-Buzz
1 really beat Z-Comet
2 Squalls (1really beat, 1 pretty new)

Putter Driver & upshots
1 crystal challenger
1-2 x-challngers
1 really beat swirl


2 Apx Swirl Putters

Bag layout depends on the course, but if I was going to a course for the first time this would pobably be it

1 Z-Xtreme (1st run)
2 Z-Pred
1 Z-Avenger (1st run) - this replaced my X-Preds
2 Z-Crush (one 1st run)
1 Z-Flash (1st run)
1 Z-Xpress
1 Z-Wasp
1 Z-Buzzz (1st run)
1 Holiday Buzzz
1 Pro-D Challenger
2 apx Swirls

Currently testing(and liking) the Z-Tracker

Bringing it back from the DEAD!!

anyway.. I've been workign on my technique and decided that since my technique is becoming more consistent i could add a few more discs to my bag.. most are doubles and i probably would play just as well without them, but anyway..
MY BAG:
2x Classic Aviar ------ 174gram.. Turnover Drive, Approach, Push PUtting.
1x JK Aviar-x 4time ------ Hyzer Drive/Approach, Jump PUtt
1x Champion Stingray ----- Obvious... Learning it, but so far no real part in my bag
1x 1st Run Z-buzzz ---- Best disc Ever.. Really Beat, but still Full Spectrum
1x Cryztal Buzzz ----- Overstable Buzzz. Hyzer and Wind
1x 1st Run X-Avenger --- Beat up.. Roller and Hyzerflip.. Still learning it.. Getting a Z version
2x 11xTeebirds --- Best Driver Ever! One is beat for stragith/turn and one is Still new for Flat Hyzer and Hyzer
1x Proline Monster --- Overstable and fast... have had it for 2 years and still stable..
1x CE Firebird FL ---- Just picked this up. SWEET!!!! Still learnign it, but way more overstable than my monster.. Almost useless :)

That's what i have about now.. I will probably start takign more out again, but anyway.

-Scott Lewis

Well, since I just traded that FL to greatsky, I guess I'll chime in with my bag.

CE Teebird 175 for most every drive...it just goes straight
CE TL 175...just got this one in the trade. Seems to glide more than my Teebird but is a little more squirrely. Hoping to turn it into my roller.
Champion Orc 175...still nothing beats this disc for max D as far as I'm concerned. At least without going flippy after hitting one tree (pro starfire)
Special Blend Roc 179...amazingly versatile. Almost the only midrange I need.
179 KC Pro beat to death Roc for annies and finess shots.
2 Aviar X putters...one for upshots and one for putts
1 Aviar glow putter for upshots that just have to finish straight and any short anny shots around trees.
178 Crystal Wasp will be in my possession shortly. i needed a stable midrange that will withstand some crank in a headwind.

Matt

2 CE Teebeirds
1 Pro Roc
1 Dx Roc
1 CE Firebird
1 CE Leopard
2 KC Aviars
All kept in a Black and Grey cooler bag purchased at Walmart for 9.99. The Bag looks like it was actually designed for disc golf. I needed a nice light bag for about 7-10 discs and this thing is perfect. I never liked spending mega bucs on bags so 10.00 bucks is great even if it doesn't work out.

or it should say "Whats in the cart?"

170 & 172 Z Crush'es
171 Z Flash
175 CE Firebird
177 2001 CE Roc
2x 180 Ontairio Rocs
2 175 Proto Magmets
2 175 Magnets

3 175 E Spirits(1new, 1straight,1beat)
3 175 Blazes (1 CE, 1 S New, 1 S Used)
3 182 Elements (1 Black that STABLE, 1 new white for control rollers)
4 Wizards (1 proto for driving, 1 beat soft for rolling, 1 Superglow E for overstable shots, and 1 New Run SS for putting) All in my gateway backpack

Swirl
Crystal Challenger
D Challenger
Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
X-Buzzz
X-Comet
Z-Glide
Z-Wildcat
Z-Tracker
2 Z-Crushes
2 Z-Predators

2-Pro D Challengers
1-CryZtal Challenger
5-TL Teebirds
2-11x Teebirds
2-X-Avengers
2-Z-Avengers
4-X Predators
2-Sidewinders
3-Rocs
1-Super Roc

Currently testing: Coyote & Venom

PT Woods
# 20431

My bag now has discs from four companies -- and that's just the drivers...

Quarter K (medium headwinds or I want some fade)
Sidewinder (most drives)
Z Reaper (headwinds or big hyzer holes)
S Blaze (I use as a long midrange when I need hyzer)
S Demon (specialty shots)
Z Wasp (go-to long midrange)
Z Buzz (anyhzer midrange and tight drives in the woods)
Z Putt'r (short/anhyzer putts)
Wizard (longer/hyzer putts)

Made some changes so here we go....

Pro Firebird (Pre-champ) 167g
CE Eagle- 172g
CE Teebird- 175g
Champ Teebird- 171g
CE Valk- 171g
CE Valk- 171g
SB Roc- 180g (Prolly need to take this out)
Ring of Rocs Rocs- 180g
Ching stamped Roc- 180g
Champ Coyote- 177g (ALMOST dont need Rocs now except for overstable situations)
10X Aviar- 175g (Almost replaced with champ Rhyno)
CE Aviar- 174g (Will ALWAYS have one of these in the bag)
Champ Rhyno- 174g (LOVING the predictability (sp) of this disc)

Thats it for now, Im in transition almost for sure going from KC Aviars to Champ Rhynos. Im not quite sure I wanna go to the Coyote instead of Rocs, I LOVE my Rocs so the Coyote is still in "test mode"

Hmmmmmmm.........some recent changes.

Pulled out the New JLS.

Added some StarFires. 170 and 173. Perfect.
Going to try a 157 Pro-line Orc.
Hear they go far with tail wind !!!! :D

1 150 Zflick
1 1st Run CFR Starfire
1 1st Run CE Leopard
1 JK Valk(only use this for thumbers and tomahawks)
1 Sidewinder
1 ProLine Monster
1 Coyote
1 2003 CE Roc
1 Zwasp
2 Soft Challengers

Thikning about taking out the CE Roc and putting in a champ gator.

Also thinking about taking out the JK valk and just use the Leopard as my overhand disc.

1 171 CH Viking
1 170 CH Orc
1 172 Z XS
1 172 CE eagle

1 Cryztal Buzzz 173-178 ( I think that's what it says)
1 176 Dx Roc
1 175 Dx Rhyno
1 168 SE soft Rhyno (old school, with the dimple)

And again. more changes.
2 KC Pro aviars-putting
1 Aviar Putt and Approach-short drives
1 Omega 1.3 Driver-loong Putts
1 Whippet X-Spike shots
1 CE Firebird- Major headwinds and skip shots, sidearm
1 CE Orc-hyzer flips, long turnovers
1 Pro Wraith- Experimental
2 CE Teebirds- Main Driver
1 CE Shark-anything that needs to stay straight and then go left
2 KC Rocs-1 beat for turnovers, 1 new for hyzers where I need more carry than the shark.
1 DX Roc-Long straight shots, I like the grip better than the KC when throwing hard.
1 CE Leopard-long stable rollers
1 DX Stingray, beat-short flippy rollers, and quick hyzer flips
More molds than I ever carried in my life, but I know what they all do. On my home course, some of these are not carried, but I like to throw multiple routes on practice rounds so I will carry most.

Im sorry but could you NOT call the Champ plastic CE, its confusing to me....

Im sorry but could you NOT call the Champ plastic CE, its confusing to me....




hahah, that stuff annoys me too...

CE - When the Disc says Champion Edition on it
Champ - when the disc says champion on it
Pro - when the disc says pro on it


I know tihs can be confusing, but you can do it!

what if it's post ce pre champion pro?

: ) :

what if it's post ce pre champion pro?

: ) :



then it is pro linr

Picky, picky are we :). thats why I loved it when there was only what they now call DX plastic. I will try harder next time, to get it right. I have only been playing for 16 years so I am still learning :cool:. Thanks guys, I needed some critiszm.

174 Champ Firebird - Headwind, Spike Hyzers
171 Champ Orc - Windy Conditions &amp; when I need to finish a little left.
169 Champ Beast - Distance Driver
172 Pro Beast - Slight Beat, Long Anhyzers
171 Z Tracker - In-between driver. Dead straight.

176 KC Pro Roc - Slight hyzers
176 Glow Coyote - Just about anything 250'-350'
175 Classic Aviar (big bead) - Beat - Anyhzer upshots
(2) 174 First Run Pro Aviar - putting

All inside of my Carolina Team Bag w/ Quadshocks and an innova "fly-dry" towel.

I like that we all keep updating what we throw as if there are people out there wondering exactly when we update our bags. ;) It's still fun to do, though.

3 Spirits (1 S, 2 E) The S is the most beat and the most overstable.
1 Z Avenger
2 Vikings (1 Champ, 1 beat DX)
2 Sabres (1 S, 1 E)
2 S Blazes (1 beat, 1 new)
1 S Demon
2 E Elements
2 S Element-Xs
4 Wizards (1 E, 1 Medium, 1 Soft, 1 Supersoft)

Most of my throws are with the Champ Viking, E Element, S Element-X and Wizards.

Crystal Tsunami
Z Pred
Z Talon
D XL
D Drone
Z Buzzz
Crystal Challenger
D Challenger

2 Orcs (Pro, Champ)
S Illusion
1st Run Z Pred
2 SE Leopards
Champ Sidewinder
2 Elements (S, EX)
Z Buzzz
Swirl APX (until my SS gets beat enough i think)
3 Wizards (SS, SGLO, EGLO)

I like that we all keep updating what we throw as if there are people out there wondering exactly when we update our bags. ;) It's still fun to do, though.



So true. This thread is kinda like talking to your buddies after a tournament round about all your bad luck and "how I played this hole" stories. Nobody cares about anyone else's story. They just listen so they can tell you their's as well. LOL!

Mine just updated so I will post it again

Champ Whippet
Champ Firebird
Champ Starfire
Z-Avenger
Champ Beast
Z-Predator
Z-Talon
2 Champ Teebirds
Z-XL
Champ Leopard
2 Z-Wasps
3 Z-Buzzz's
Crystal Challenger
Champ Gator
CT Challenger
Pro-D Challenger

Once I gain more control of my putter approachs the Crystal Challenger will leave the bag.

More changes, this time for good. Could not stand having so many discs, tried it, hated it. Back to normal now
2 Aviar Putt and Approach-Putting
1 KC Pro Aviar - Drives under 350
2 KC Pro Rocs - 1 beat for turnovers, 1 new for hyzers
1 DX Roc - Straight line drive shots up to 400 feet
2 Champion Teebirds - Hyzers, turnovers and straight shots for anything over 400 feet
1 Pro Wraith - Still learning it, but this thing goes farther than anything. Any wide open hole over 500 feet.
1 Whippet X - Headwinds and spike shots
1 Champion Leopard - Rolling
11 discs total, 6 molds. This will be my bag for a long time to come. I just needed to figure out what I throw best since I have been out of the game for 8 years.

Soft Wizard 174
Med Wizard 174
CH Gator 175
Coyote 180g
KC Roc 180g
CE Leopard
CE Teebird 168
CE Teebird 172
Sidewinder 160
Sidewinder 169
Pro Starfire 169
CFR Starfire 162
CFR Starfire 169
CH Viking 172
Pro Wraith 170
CH Firebird 168
(I'll usually pull out 3-5 depending on conditions)

Core Discs:
17?g Pro Line Firebird: Hyzers, Wind, Spike hyzers
17?g CE FX: Long Straight Shots, Distance
169g KC Pro 11x Teebird: Straight, Skips, S-curves (GO-TO Driver, BEST DISC EVER MADE)
174g CFR TL: Straight, Anhyzers
172g CE Eagle: Rollers
174g KC Pro 10x Gazelle: Wind, Straight Shots, Spike hyzers
180g 2005 Special Blend Roc: Hyzer-Straight
180g Coyote: Straight-Anhyzer
17?g Challenger: Straight, hyzer, annys shots less than 300ft., Putts (Just recently replaced my jk aviar-x and omega ss)

Stuff in my bag that I don't throw:
171g Champion Orc
172g Starfire
180g KC Pro 11x Roc

Stuff I'm thinking about adding:
170+g CFR Starfire/Starfire-L
Comet
Wraith

But I wouldn't recommend this bag, cause I suk ballz with it.

More changes, this time for good. Could not stand having so many discs, tried it, hated it. Back to normal now
2 Aviar Putt and Approach-Putting
1 KC Pro Aviar - Drives under 350
2 KC Pro Rocs - 1 beat for turnovers, 1 new for hyzers
1 DX Roc - Straight line drive shots up to 400 feet
2 Champion Teebirds - Hyzers, turnovers and straight shots for anything over 400 feet
1 Pro Wraith - Still learning it, but this thing goes farther than anything. Any wide open hole over 500 feet.
1 Whippet X - Headwinds and spike shots
1 Champion Leopard - Rolling
11 discs total, 6 molds. This will be my bag for a long time to come. I just needed to figure out what I throw best since I have been out of the game for 8 years.


Well, took the Wraith out of the bag today. I can throw this thing about 50-60 feet farther than my cahmpion teebirds, but I have no confidence in it at all. Not enough hyzer, flips over to much. To much hyzer, doesn't flip much at all. I will stick to throwing teebirds 450 feet and accurately, rather than 500 plus feet not knowing where I am going to end up.

Ya cant go wrong with a Teebird.... IF you HAVE to be in the fairway, throw a Teebird.

Its the MOST dependable driver Ive ever thrown. I know exactly what its gonna do and end up (If I throw it correctly, which I usually do).

I still wanna try a Wraith though.

CE Eagle
CE Firebird
Champ Teebird
CE Teebird
CE Valk (2)
SB Roc (about to come out)
DX Roc (NEW)
DX Roc (Ching stamped and OH so flat)
DX Roc (also Ching stamped, beat in for a nice straight flyer)
Champ Rhyno (I KNOW what this is gonna do)
CE Aviar (LOVE THESE)
DX Putt and Approach Aviar (2)

Ya cant go wrong with a Teebird.... IF you HAVE to be in the fairway, throw a Teebird.

Its the MOST dependable driver Ive ever thrown. I know exactly what its gonna do and end up (If I throw it correctly, which I usually do).

I still wanna try a Wraith though.

CE Eagle
CE Firebird
Champ Teebird
CE Teebird
CE Valk (2)
SB Roc (about to come out)
DX Roc (NEW)
DX Roc (Ching stamped and OH so flat)
DX Roc (also Ching stamped, beat in for a nice straight flyer)
Champ Rhyno (I KNOW what this is gonna do)
CE Aviar (LOVE THESE)
DX Putt and Approach Aviar (2)


Very nice bag of plastic there. All very predictable discs. There was a guy in another thread saying how the DX rocs are the most inconsistant discs he has ever thrown. To me, the DX roc is the best disc ever made, most consistant, and very player friendly. About the Teebird, it is the best driver out there. If you get a Wraith, wait for the CFR Wraiths to come out. The pro wraiths I have fly pretty nice with any type of tailwind, but are still way to squirly for my liking. It would be nice to have a disc with the flight of a teebird, but the speed and carry of the Wraith, that would be the ultimate disc.

Everyday that goes by I am taking discs out that I just dont need, and or like. Today the Wraith came out, my old beat up DX stingray roller came out, my whippet came out, and my Champion shark came out. I am left with 5 different molds, and am very confident about my bag setup now. When I was a top player in California years ago I threw Rocs, Aviars, and Vipers. Usually carried three of each, I knew these discs and could throw any shot with them. Here is my final bag that I have worked hard to put together, discs that I know, like and can throw all shots with.
2 KC Pro Aviars
1 DX Putt and Approach Aviar
2 KC Pro Rocs (one new and one beat )
1 DX Roc
2 Champion Teebirds
1 Champion Firebird
1 Champion Leopard
The only thing I might add is a DX Teebird for long drives ( 450 feet or more ).

Ok here it goes;

2 "E" Spirits(1 Nike) hyzers and bombing flex shots

1 "H" Spirit low long drives

2 "H" Illusions rollers and anhyzers

1 "E" sabre(lost mine but will replace soon) evrything under the sun straight shots, hyzers, and anhyzers. GREAT DISC

1 "E" hybrid when I need a more controlled disctance 375-450 low ceiliing.

1 "E" Blaze long hyzers, spikes, and midrange flex shots(my favorite along with the sabre).

2 "E" elements one for straight to anhyzers and one that I picked out of the Scrap pile that flies overstable like a blaze.

2 "SS" wizards putting and anhyzer drives up to 325'

1 "E" wizard headwind putt and drives up to 375' /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

1 "E" wizard headwind putt and drives up to 375' /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Dude, throwing a putter 375ft.....that's sick.


But after all, I am jealous, I can only get my mids that far. But I am happy with throwing a Wasp that far, because I am in the top bracket of throwers on midrange distance.

(Remember everyone, I said top bracket, not I am the top, there are a lot of people who can throw mids farther then me, but there are TONS who cannot).

1 "E" wizard headwind putt and drives up to 375' /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Dude, throwing a putter 375ft.....that's sick.


But after all, I am jealous, I can only get my mids that far. But I am happy with throwing a Wasp that far, because I am in the top bracket of throwers on midrange distance.

(Remember everyone, I said top bracket, not I am the top, there are a lot of people who can throw mids farther then me, but there are TONS who cannot).



Sounds like a classic case of message board distance.

Everyday that goes by I am taking discs out that I just dont need, and or like. Today the Wraith came out, my old beat up DX stingray roller came out, my whippet came out, and my Champion shark came out. I am left with 5 different molds, and am very confident about my bag setup now. When I was a top player in California years ago I threw Rocs, Aviars, and Vipers. Usually carried three of each, I knew these discs and could throw any shot with them. Here is my final bag that I have worked hard to put together, discs that I know, like and can throw all shots with.
2 KC Pro Aviars
1 DX Putt and Approach Aviar
2 KC Pro Rocs (one new and one beat )
1 DX Roc
2 Champion Teebirds
1 Champion Firebird
1 Champion Leopard
The only thing I might add is a DX Teebird for long drives ( 450 feet or more ).



Its taken me a while to figure out what to throw as well. In the past few weeks Ive taken out quite a bit of stuff I just didnt throw which MAKES me throw the other discs and get more comfortable with them.

Everyday that goes by I am taking discs out that I just dont need, and or like. Today the Wraith came out, my old beat up DX stingray roller came out, my whippet came out, and my Champion shark came out. I am left with 5 different molds, and am very confident about my bag setup now. When I was a top player in California years ago I threw Rocs, Aviars, and Vipers. Usually carried three of each, I knew these discs and could throw any shot with them. Here is my final bag that I have worked hard to put together, discs that I know, like and can throw all shots with.
2 KC Pro Aviars
1 DX Putt and Approach Aviar
2 KC Pro Rocs (one new and one beat )
1 DX Roc
2 Champion Teebirds
1 Champion Firebird
1 Champion Leopard
The only thing I might add is a DX Teebird for long drives ( 450 feet or more ).



Its taken me a while to figure out what to throw as well. In the past few weeks Ive taken out quite a bit of stuff I just didnt throw which MAKES me throw the other discs and get more comfortable with them.



It's amazing when you really look at what discs you carry and what type of shots you use them for. I found that I would carry 2 to 3 different discs for the same shot. Ex: Monster & Predator. I liked to side arm both but I liked the Pred for backhand headwind shots better than the Monster. I felt it had more glide. I determined the Pred was more versatile so the Monster came out of the bag. I'm now down to 4 different drivers (Teebirds, Avengers, Predators, Sidewinders) rather than 10 different discs. It's made me become more consistent with my game.

My .02

PT Woods
# 20431

3 dx spiders
ch. gator
3 avengers [2-x and 1-z]
z-pred

these 8 work for me in most all situations. i will occasionally add a stratus for special situations and for shorter, more controlled rollers than my x-avg. am also experimenting with a z-glide for a straight shot longer than my spiders and shorter than the x-avg. have not decided if i need this or not yet

1 "E" hybrid when I need a more controlled disctance 375-450 low ceiliing.




You already have some? How do they fly? Justin is getting me some soon, but I'm super anxious.

I cut my bag down to this For Regular Play at my Homecourse on all layouts(we have 3 tees)

Classic AViar
JK Aviar-x (4time and super flimsy)
1st Run Buzzz
11x Teebird

That's all i need.. FOr tournaments and courses i dont' knwo i'll add and extra teebird for backup, a Firebird just in case, another classic aviar for backkup, a New Cryztal Buzzz, and sometimes an x-Avenger.

-Scott Lewis

Cleaned up my bag a little more :

172 Pro Wraith
170 Pro StareFire
173 Pro StarFire
174 Orion ( For Rolling )

Bag now has 12 w/ mini marker :D

1 "E" wizard headwind putt and drives up to 375' /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Dude, throwing a putter 375ft.....that's sick.


Sadly enough I throw my putters farther than my mids.

But after all, I am jealous, I can only get my mids that far. But I am happy with throwing a Wasp that far, because I am in the top bracket of throwers on midrange distance.

(Remember everyone, I said top bracket, not I am the top, there are a lot of people who can throw mids farther then me, but there are TONS who cannot).



Sounds like a classic case of message board distance.

For some reason I throw putter just as far as my mids(if not farther):confused: Actually I hit basket today on a 362'hole today with my "e" wiz.

Right now My Ever-evloving bag contains:

Champion beast - 163
Champion TB - 174
Pro TL - 174
DX Cheetah - 174 (Distance Tommy Disc)
DX Cheetah - 150?(Shorter tommy disc)
Z Wasp - 178
First Run MRV - 175+?
Classic roc - 180

I dont know how long this will stay like this, not long. i just purchaced a firebird to replace my overstable driver position once held by the beast (arms getting stronger now), and i bought a new X MRV in place of the First Run MRV, and i bought Cryztal Buzz, which may be replacing my wasp, and i bought an XL to see if it can earn a place in my bag.

despite the fact that im buying more and more discs, im actually trying to carry as few discs as possible. i have owned about 20 discs, and i have carried as many as 12. i recently gave away about 4 discs, and i will probably take more out in the future.

i see myself in 20 years just carying an MRV :D.....

I hate my bag right now cause I'm going through a funk but here's what I got.
**Disclaimer before I get attacked: Yes, I have too many discs. I don't throw gateway.

174g CFR Wraith (Distance)
174g CFR TL (Don't know)
169g 11x KC Pro Teebird (Go to driver, straight, hyzer)
17?g Pro(Candy) Firebird (Hyzers, wind)
171g 1st run CE FX (LONG hyzers)
175g Special Blend Orc (Distance)
174g 1st run CE Eagle (Rollers, Anhyzers)
178g Z-wasp (Overstable, wind)
177g Cryztal Z-Buzzz (straight and turnover)
180g Champ Coyote (everything)
180g 11x KC Pro Roc (Don't know)
17?g X Challenger (Straight flyer, long putts)
17?g 4x JK Pro Aviar-X (general putts, some turnovers, straddle putts)

1 174 Z Pred~~Spike Hyzers, Skips and Flicks
1 174 Z Tsunami~~Long Hyzers, Forehands
1 174 Z Avenger~~Controlled Distance and Superlong Hyzers
1 174 X Avenger~~Long Turnovers, Hyzer Flips, Rollers
1 173 Z Trackers~~Pretty much anything (still figuring it out)
1 178 Z Wasp~~Midrange Hyzers
1 178 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~Straght Midrange
1 174 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~Turnover Midrange
2 178 D BUZZZs~~1 Slightly Beat for soft straight shots and Flippy turnover shots~~1 Super Beat for Hyzer flips and Rollers
1 CryZtal Challenger~~Anything inside 300
2 2nd Cam Todd Challengers~~1 New Overstable inside 300~~1 just for putting :D
1 Pro D Challenger~~Slightly beat for straight inside 300

1 sheepdog
1 Mighty Morphin Power Ranger
1 genetically mutated razor blade
1 otter
1 urinal
1 scuba-diving kit for underwater putts

LOL

Putters:

9x KC Aviar- uphill or approach putts
10xKC Aviar- wind and off the tee
DX Aviar- Inside 40ft.

Middies:

Des Moines Coyote- Everything
CFR Glo Coyote- Everything in wind
Pro Line Gremlin- 2 fingers and rollers, UDs

Drivas:

CFR Glo Teebird- 350-375ft
Night Shift Orc- 375ft +
SS Sidewinder- rollas
Pro Line Beast- Fore hand Rollas, utility
CE Leopard- 350ft and shorter
Pro Line Monster- Wind and 2-Fingas, Overheads

Kinda new to the board, been playin' 2 years and here's the bag...

172g CE Valk (If there's open space for it to work)
174g CE Valk (see above)
170g dx Teebird (Straight and Long)
170g 10X KC Pro Banshee X2 (Hyzer, skips, forehand, windy driver)
178g Pro D Wasp (Overstable Mid, Love the feel of the plastic)
176g Z Custom Stamped Buzz (Money disc! This thing is flat and glides forever)
172g Z Tracker (Thanks for the advice Millz -- Long buzz!)
174g Big Bead Brick Avair X2 (One for Putting and one for approaches 200 and in)

I used to use Wizards, which are awesome, the only problem was they would develop the 'pleasure bumps' which drove me insane!

All of these in a mini revolution bag.

champ FB
11x tbird stable
11x tbird straight
11x tbird flippy
sidewinder

dx roc
11x roc
champ shark
ching roc flippy

11x aviar putting
10x aviar straight
10x aviar stable
10x aviar flippy

1 Z Avenger
1 Z Predator
1 Z Tsunami
1 Champ. Monster

1 Z Buzzz
1 D Drone
2 D Challengers

150g Flick
170g Z Avenger
168g X Avenger
164g X Avenger
168g Z Tracker
174g Z Storm (beat)
177g Z Storm
178g Z Wasp
178g Z Midnight Buzzz
172g Z Glide
175g Soft Challenger
32 oz. Nalgene Waterbottle
1.2 oz. Can of Apple Skoal
Small Birdie Bag
Cell phone (for photos and video)
Revolution Mini Bag ;)

Recent changes for discs that are more consistent & feel better. Out go Ch Monster, Pro Starfires & Dx Beasts

Currently in: (all ~172-175g, Dx range from old to new)

3-4 Firebirds (1 Ch, rest Dx)
1 Ch Orc -
3-5 Teebirds (1 Pro, rest Dx)
1 Ch Beast

2 Dx Whippets
3-4 Gators (1Ch, rest Dx)

3-4 Rhynos (1 Pro Soft, rest Dx)


Could remove some, but happy with the range this setup offers - easier throws & less compromise.

Then there's the backups....!

Z Flick 175
CE Firebird FL 171
Champ. Orc 171
SB Orc 171
Champ. Teebird 171
Champ Teebird 175
CE Leopard 171 (Rollers)
CE Leopard 175
1 Champ. Eagle 164 (Thumbers)
1 Champ. Gator 175
1 SB Roc 180
1 KC Roc 179
1 KC Aviar 175
2 Soft Wizards 175

175 SB Orc has earned a spot
174 CE Valkyrie
174 Proto DX Valkyrie
169 Proto Sidewinder
170 CE Eagle (Long Hyzer)
174 DX Firechicken
174 Pro Wraith (Ace disc, don't throw it anymore)
168 1st Run CE Teebird (to show off)
180 Pro Shark
176 Classic Roc
171 Lime Green 2000 World's Aviar (x2)
175 Classic Aviar

1 Z-Xtreme
2 Z-Preds
1 Z-Avenger
2 Z-Crush
1 Z-Tracker
1 Z-Flash
1 Z-Xpress
1 X-XL
1 Z-Wasp
1 Z-Buzzz
1 Holiday Buzzz
1 Pro-D challenger
2 Swirlicious putters

1 Z-Xtreme
2 Z-Preds
1 Z-Avenger
2 Z-Crush
1 Z-Tracker
1 Z-Flash
1 Z-Xpress
1 X-XL
1 Z-Wasp
1 Z-Buzzz
1 Holiday Buzzz
1 Pro-D challenger
2 Swirlicious putters



Add a wildcat, and that's my bag! Other than the putters....No crushes either..too similar to the z avenger for my taste.

1 champ sidewinder 170
1 z xpress 169
1 z wildcat 166
1 pro wraith 171
2 x avengers both 165 (one beat/one new)
1 z talon 166
1 z avenger 168
1 z predator 172 (couldn't find one in max weight)

1 Demon 174
1 mrx 173
2 Buzz's 172/176 (until my midnight buzzes come in)

1 firm Wizard 175
1 med wizard 175
(until my soft midnight wizards come in)

1 Polaris wt unknown ( to throw near water)

2 amber nalgene bottles in an orange Carolina Revolution bag with mud on the bottom.

I just realized that I have way too many discs. Any suggestions for revision?

That's actually as large as my bag has ever been! I may only use 5 or 6 of those discs in any given round, but for tournament play on courses near water, it's nice to have backups. :)

1 Z Xtreme, first run
2 Z Preds
1 X Pred, first run
2 Z Avenger
1 X Avenger
1 Z Wildcat
1 Z Tracker, proto
1 D Drone, proto
2 Z Buzzz, first runs
1 D Buzzz
1 CryZtal Chall
2 D Chall
1 Soft Magnet

17 discs seems like a lot, what would you axe?

173 CFR Wraith
170 Pro Wraith
172 CFR Starfire-L
175 Pro Starfire (probably will come out, I've beat up my pro wraith enough to hold sidearm anhyzers).
171 Sidewinder
168 10x Eagle
174 SB Teebird (to show off)
175 10x Teebird (brand new)
175 CE TL
171 CE Leopard
171 Pro Leopard
177 Z-Wasp
178 D-Buzzz
178 Z-Comet
172 SS Wizard
173 S Wizard

Also want to add a firebird when they come out in SB.

Depends on the course but here's my general sac...

176 Stir Fried X Clone
175 Cyclone 2
174 XL
174 Pro Wraith
175 Arc Angel
174 Roc
169 Shark
175 Wolf
175 SS Wizard
175 Aviar P&amp;A
174 Panther

It get's me through... :cool:

1 Z Xtreme, first run
2 Z Preds
1 X Pred, first run
2 Z Avenger
1 X Avenger
1 Z Wildcat
1 Z Tracker, proto
1 D Drone, proto
2 Z Buzzz, first runs
1 D Buzzz
1 CryZtal Chall
2 D Chall
1 Soft Magnet

17 discs seems like a lot, what would you axe?



Get rid of
X Pred 1st run=Avenger
Wildcat
and cut the Preds and Avengers to 1 of each plastic :D

Very Long Range...
X Avenger - long straight flips and turnover
Champ Beast - Long Straight, slight fade

Long range
Champ Eagle - lightweight - straight and fade
Z XL - straight and turnover
Glow XL - turnover

Fairway
JLS 1.6 - straight, turnover and roller
S Sabre - straight and fade

Mids
Z Wasp - straight and fade
Element X - straight
Champ Cobra - Turnover and short roller

Putter
E - wizard, and 2 soft wizards

Those are the primary discs... the bag holds more, so I may stuff in a Z-Avenger, Teebird, XS, Valk, Sentinal or a Cheetah ... discs i know and have had for a long time, but another disc does that shot just a touch better for me.

Yes, lots of different molds, but the hand feel is similar between the molds in many cases...(eagle and xl are very similar ... all the mids are claw nosed and beaded)

3 spiders
2 gators
3 avengers
1 z-pred

this covers it for me. i will maybe throw in a 150 dx beast at altitude, or a champ leopard or dx tee for the heck of it [shorter drives]

1 Wraith
1 Avenger
1 Leopard
1 Valkyrie
1 Dragon
1 Ace
1 Maximizer
1 Cyclone
1 Spider
1 Buzzz D
1 DGA approach disc
1 PDGA putter
1 APX putter

CE Eagle- For Long hyzers
CE Teebird- Only on open holes
Champ Teebird- I could throw this on ANY hole and have a good shot
CE Valk- For long straight or annys
CE Valk- Beat for a good Thumber
SB (STAR) Roc- VERY nice disc
DX Roc- New and overstable
DX Roc- Flat, white and slightly overstable
OG Ching Stamped Roc- They dont make em like this anymore.
Champ Rhyno- Loving it at the moment.
Champ Rhyno- Cant get enough, gotta have two.
CE Avair- Yes, the Original. I LOVE THESE!!!
Putt and Approach- One for putting and one for upshots.

Just added a Champ Starfire L so we'll have to see if it deserves to stay.....

I'll play...

1 Pro Wraith - Beat
2 CFR Wraiths - 169, 175. 2 different discs at those weights.
1 DX TeeBird
1 SB Orc
2 Champ Orcs - 1 BEAT
1 Champ Firebird
1 CFR Starfire-L
1 Z Buzzz
1 Coyote (Des Monies Stamp - First Run?)
2 Pro-D Challenger - 1 BEAT, 1 New.
1 Wizard - Super Soft.

I know there's a lot of overlap with the drivers. I'm still learing the game, only been playing since about May. I play by feel, and some of the drivers just feel good on a particular day. Sometimes I take out an Orc and a Wraith, and I can probably do without the Teebird most of the time - especially now that I'm really throwing my mid-ranges well. The Buzz was a recent addition, and it really has taken my game up a notch. The Wizard was a VERY recent addition (TODAY), but I'm REALLY loving it....

Keith

1 Pro Wraith 171
1 CFR Wraith 169
2 Champ Orcs 159 169
2 Sidewinders 168 and 171 (Go to Discs)
1 Champ Firechicken 169 Tomahawks and forehands
1 Flat top Z buzz 175 (money)
1 Z buzz 175
1 D buzz 175 Beat
1 X Buzz 178 (still learning this one but love the feel)
1 Z Glide 178
1 Crsyztal Challenger
1 X Challenger
1 D Challenger
3 Doobies
2 24 oz. Budweisers
:eek:

i quit counting

174 SB Orc
168 Ch Orc
174 Proline Monster

174 KC 11x Teebird T
172 KC 9x Teebird T (flips up perfectly)
174 CE Teebird TL
174 CE Teebird TL (beat, turnovers)

178 Z Wasp
177 1st Run Z Buzzz
177 X Buzzz
177 D Buzzz (beat, turnovers)

175 E Wizard (short drives, wind putter)
175 Firm S Wizard (upshots)
172 Super Soft S Wizard (putts)

New, updated bag:

174g Pro Wraith (may be out of the bag soon)
174g CFR Starfire-X (new addition and loving it)
175g SB Orc (stable and long)
175g SB Teebird (goto, money shots)
169g KC Pro 11x Teebird (ditto)
17?g Proline(candy) Firebird (wind,skips)
172g CE Eagle (rollers)
178g Z-Wasp (only in wind or skips)
173-178g Cryztal Z-Buzzz (main midrange)
180g beat KC Pro 10x Roc (can't live without at least one roc)
180g Champion Coyote (rollers, hyzer flips, great glide)
17?g X-Challenger (falling in love with it, hit **** near every putt with it yesterday, kicked my aviar out)

12 discs total.

Starfire X 175 Champion glow, stable driver
Starfire L 175 Champion, straight/understable driver
Express 175 Elite X, roller
Blaze 175 Clear Evolution, overstable mid/long
Blaze 175 S, very straight mid/long
Magnet 175 Z, putter off the tee
(2)Magnet 175 Soft, putts/approach

The Blazes and Magnets get the most work on many courses. The clear evolution Blaze has not changed at all in 6 months of extensive abuse, I hope Gateway continues to use that plastic.

This is what i play with.

2. Exp1 1.7 175 White. For a headwind and hyzer
2. Champion orcs 175 White. Maindriver
3. MF Sentinel 1.2 180 Yellow. Midrange
2. Omega ap 175 White. Shortrange and thumbbombs
2. Glow Aviar 175 White. Putter

173-viper reg stamp very beat up
178-viper glo very stable
173-viper 1992- worlds biggest
171-viper 4 Time Kenny stamp
170-viper 1997 frizz stamp
170-cyclone 1997 lumberjack open stamp
171-cobra
177-cobra lake monster classic stamp
167-polaris ls1.2
171-polaris ls1.4 sandy point luna and dakota stamp my fav
168-polaris ls1.4 1998 Am Worlds stamp
175-polaris ls1.5 PDGA stamp
175-polaris ls1.5 flyin colors stamp kim and ed burdes stamp
172-omega ap 1.2
175 aviar putter very old 1992 i think
175 -aviar putter 1992 norcal stamp sweet plastic
2x174 omega prototype putter i have like 6 more
2x178 old mold stingrays
2x168 mid mold hammers
168 aero patent pending
172 kittyhawk george of the jungle stamp 1984 also have a new kittyhawk triple stamp singed by steady ed as at one time he owned that disc and kenny signed it as well as 2 other Am world champs

173-viper reg stamp very beat up
178-viper glo very stable
173-viper 1992- worlds biggest
171-viper 4 Time Kenny stamp
170-viper 1997 frizz stamp
170-cyclone 1997 lumberjack open stamp
171-cobra
177-cobra lake monster classic stamp
167-polaris ls1.2
171-polaris ls1.4 sandy point luna and dakota stamp my fav
168-polaris ls1.4 1998 Am Worlds stamp
175-polaris ls1.5 PDGA stamp
175-polaris ls1.5 flyin colors stamp kim and ed burdes stamp
172-omega ap 1.2
175 aviar putter very old 1992 i think
175 -aviar putter 1992 norcal stamp sweet plastic
2x174 omega prototype putter i have like 6 more
2x178 old mold stingrays
2x168 mid mold hammers
168 aero patent pending
172 kittyhawk george of the jungle stamp 1984 also have a new kittyhawk triple stamp singed by steady ed as at one time he owned that disc and kenny signed it as well as 2 other Am world champs



Old school discs, I like it! I live in Stevens Point by the way, it's always cool to see others from WI.

1Champ Tee when you don't know a hole throw a teebird
1 CFR TL Long and straight
beat up TL annies tunnels
NEW SB Orc long hyzers
Firebird Overstable
Tsunami nicely Overstable
Elite X Wasp
Z Wasp
E Element
18X KC Roc
Ryno
2 pro D Challengers

A Tiger !!!!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Last changes for the year........

Wraith (CFR, Pro)
Starfires (CFR, Pro)
Teebirds (11x, TL)
Predators (X)
Sidewinder (Ch)
Rocs (03', SB, Chings)
Drone (Pro D)
Challengers (Sft, Pro D, CryZtal)

I pulled the Avengers and put back the Starfires. SF's were more stable and added the Wraith for some serious D.

PT Woods
# 20431

2 avairs
1 10x avair
champ tee bird
champ sidewinder
champ orc
2 champ vikings
2 pro wraiths
1 coyote
2 11x rocs
1 classic roc

1 Z Pred
1 Z Tsunami (04 DGLO)
1 Z Avenger
1 X Avenger
1 Z Tracker
1 Z XL
1 Z Wasp
3 Z BUZZZs 174 1st Run 178 1st Run 173 Midgnight
2 D BUZZZs 1 slightly beat 1 real beat
5 Challengers 2 Cam Todds (1 for putting one for driving) 2 Pro Ds for driving and approaching 1 CryZtal for windy days :D

Drivers:
150g gummy Champion Banshee (thumbers, tommies, wind)
150g gummy Champion Teebird (my go-to driver FH or BH)
154g gummy Champion Orc (wide-open max D)
149g gummy Champion Leopard (tight tunnels, tailwind, & hard annies)
154g gummy 1st run Sidewinder (rollers)
138g super-beat DX Eagle (never throw it, but it's my security blanket)
Mids:
159g gummy Champion Whippet (wind, FH mid, trick approaches)
171g Proline Gremlin (hyzer or hard rip mid)
2 169g DX Gremlins (1 beat turnover, 1 newish laser-straight mid)
171g 10x Aviar (short drives, everything 70-215 ft., turbo putts)
Putters:
175g 3x JK Aviar
150g 5x rubber JK Aviar (ridiculous disc, actually droops (almost melts) in your hand; use for MAJOR uphill, MAJOR tailwind, or MAJOR annie putts)

And, of course, my beloved Buzzbee for warming up & winding down! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

pro magnet 175
X wasp 177
champ sidewinder 170
SB orc 175
champ orc 175
CE firebird 162
champ firebird 175

Switched my SB orc in and back on the Wasp train. Element X's are cool...but not like a beat in X Wasp.

Switched my SB orc in and back on the Wasp train. Element X's are cool...but not like a beat in X Wasp.



<------Big fan of the X-Wasp although the midnight Z-Buzz is looking to take the spot

172 Pro Wraith -Long Hyzer/headwind
166 Pro Orc - Long straight
172 Ch. Monster - headwind Hyzer
174 Ch. T-Bird - Hyzer finish
172 X Predator - straight
172 Ch. Sidewinder - Anhyzer
178 Z Wasp - Hyzer
168 X Wasp - Straight
165 D Hawk - Anhyzer
175 Aviar P&A - Approach
168 Glow Aviar P&A - Putt

2 pro wraiths 172 and 173
starfire 171
sidewinder 169
champ beast 168
kc 10x eagle 171
monster 174
z-flick 150
11x roc 180
dx roc beat 179
z buzzz 171
z wasp 177
champ gummy spider 177
dx stingray beat 179
cryztal challenger
soft rhyno
aviar PnA

coupla' kc aviars, glo roc, few zwasps, champ leopard, some starfires, an avenger, and a coupla' firebirds. :cool:

1 champ firebird
1 CE FL
1 CE Tee - beat
1 glow cfr T
2 Z buzzzzzzzz
1 2K1 CE roc (just gotta have that one)
2 2K1 CE aviars

1. 180g RAM (when you play with a ram, it's like cheating)
2. 175g champ firebird
3. 175g FL Pro Firebird
4. 175g CH orc
5. 175g Pro Wraith
6. 174g sidewinder
7. 180g champ stingray

Mid ranges

8. 175 Champ Gator
9. 180 2005 Winthrop roc
10. 180 ching roc (thanks JBIRD!)
11. 176 element X (to replace my under glow roc RIP)
12. CHAMPION SPIDER never leave home without it 175g
13. 169g pro line rhyno

and my putter:

173g soft wizard...they're magically delicious!

= victory!!! :D

My rookie bag:

158g &amp; 174g Sidewinders -long drives
168g Q-JLS - long drives - more predictable than my regular JLS
173g Innova Moray(discontinued) my "will always turn right" &amp; tomahawk disc.
171g KC Pro Roc: Short drives &amp; upshots. I just recently discovered how great this disc is.
168g DX Cheetah - for S-Curve shots.
171g DX Gazelle - found this one- I should swap it out w/ my 174g 9x KC Pro Gazelle.
171g Soft Wizard &amp; 165g Omega SS -for putzing.

I've gotten into a bad habit of decorating my apt w/ plastic though....all my cool/collectible discs (now at 7) are hanging on the wall

Anything else I should try? I am trying to buy a Coyote that I can throw (I wont throw my Glow).

I think you need a teebird, I think everyone needs a teebird. Even people who don't throw Innova need a teebird. I think Gateway and Discraft guys would like a teebird. I love my teebird. Its what I throw more than anything else. The first disc I ever won was a 169g KC Pro Teebird with a Yellow and Orange Off-centered Spiral Dye and it still flies the same way as the day I got it. Surprisingly, I've yet to lose it, "knock on wood". Its the disc I throw when I am indecisive, which is alot. And it always seems to be, at worst, a decent shot. I'm sure the Discraft and Gateway guys are gonna jump in and tell you another disc that is "somewhat like" a teebird. And they have good points, but nothing flies like a teebird. If there were a hall of fame for discs, the teebird would be the 1st one selected in.

TRACKER!!!

So. You're saying I should try a TeeBird? :D

I do have one but it's one of those full color stamped DX Teebirds.... it's too pretty to throw.lol. It's one of the 7 that are hanging.
I think I will start looking for a Pro Teebird..... Thanks.

(oh. I forgot. I did buy 2 172g Gateway Sabres and they should be here today/tommorow)

Don't get a Pro Teebird, that plastic is worthless. Get a dx teebird, it'll be great for a couple of months and it'll break in slower than the pro. Once you learn it, and if you like it, I would shell out for a Champion, or if they are out, an SB(star) Teebird. I love my SB Teebird, grippy and very durable.

Yes, I forgot about the SB Teebirds coming out.....
I knew I was wanting to get one, but was waiting for the SB's.
They should be out really soon.....

I recently lost my teebird, and am awaiting the SB Tees to come out. I have one of the black ones from the Cal tourny, but my luck with black discs is pretty bad.
In the bag right now:

173 CFR Wraith
171 Pro Wraith
173 CFR StarfireL
171 Champ Valk (super beat; I just learned how to throw distance rollers!)
175 10x Teebird
174 CE TL
171 CE Leopard
175 Z-Glide (just made it back in; I forgot everything this disc does!)
177 Z-Wasp
177 Z-Buzz (just trying it out)
177 D-Buzz
177 Z-Comet
172 SS Wizard (pretty beat)
172 S Proto Wizard

too many repeats.

try a
Ce FL - <font color="green">yellow</font>
2001 Ce aviar - <font color="red">yellow</font>
2001 Ce roc - <font color="yellow">green</font>

no more.
no less.

this is what i've been carrying lately in the baby stroller when i take my son along: (and my scores have been just as good as when i have my whole bag)

174 11x Teebird TB
174 CFR Teebird TL
178 Z Buzzz
175 Soft Wizard

175 Second Run Pro Orc
160 Flat Champ Orc
175 X Pred
170 First Run Z Pred
170 SE Leopard
175 SE Leopard
180 S Element
174 S Element
177 Z Buzzz
174 Swirl APX
175 SS Wizard

this is what i've been carrying lately in the baby stroller when i take my son along: (and my scores have been just as good as when i have my whole bag)

174 11x Teebird TB
174 CFR Teebird TL
178 Z Buzzz
175 Soft Wizard



Hmmmmmmmmm...........very interesting combo.

How stable is your Buzzz ?

How stable is your Buzzz ?



Depends on the run, and the mold. The flat ones are really stable. Not like a Wasp, but will hold a straight line thrown hard and finish left.

Domey buzzz's are flip machines! oh yeah

I had heard that the new White X-Buzz is more stable than the Flat top Z -Buzz ?

Putters:
1x Classic Aviar.......... (putting and Turnover approach)
1x JK Aviar-x ...............(super soft.. Driving and long putting)
Midranges:
1x 1st Run Z-BUZZZZ...(Everything but big hyzer)
1x Cryztal Buzzz............(Hyzer and windy)
Drivers:
1x 1st Run X-Avenger...(Rollers/Hyzer flips)
2x 11x Teebirds!...........(Everything!)
1x Champion Firebird...(Utility)

The Avengers will get replaced with a dx teebird probably becuase i love the teebird mold.. One of my 11x teebirds took a huge Gash somehow(hopefully the plastic will burn back together) and the more stable one will be replaced by a Star Teebird.

-Scott Lewis

172 11X TB
172 10X TB
168 Sidewinder
180 Ching Roc w/2000 ND
180 BB Roc
180 Stingray very beat still rolls 450'
175 3X JK A-X
174 Avair Putter w/DTWorld
Champ Avair Mini w/Roc Head

11x kc Firebird 174 overstable
11x kc Firebird 168 less stable
11x kc Teebird(old proline)175 stable SICK!!!!!!!!!
HOMIE TL 170 less stable

11x kc Roc 177 overstable
DX Roc 180 stable
Glo Roc(Seasoned) 177 less stable
9x kc Roc 177 understable

11x kc Aviar 175 overstable
9x kc Aviar 174 understable

10x kc Aviar overstable 173 SICK PUTTER!!!!

and in closing....

firebird
teebird
roc
aviar

all you need

Banger/Challenger
Buzzz/Wasp
Tracker/Avenger
Preditor
Trick Flick
;)

A George Spracklen wooden mini !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif