I have narrowed down my selection in my bag that I use during a round of disc golf.

9X Aviar 175G
10X Aviar Driver 175G
SE Rhyno 175G (Tacky old school surface)
Ontario Big Bird Roc 177G
9X KC Pro Roc
Champion Cobra 176G
CE Spider 174G
CE 2nd Run Eagle 174G
CE 3rd Run Eagle 172G
CE 1st Run Teebird TL 172G
CE 4th Run Teebird T 169G
CE 1st Run Firebird FX 169G
CE 2nd Run Firebird F 175G
CE 2nd Run Valkyrie 175G


I have double above sitting at home to be broke in soon. Hehe.

Josh
WiDiscGolf (http://www.stores.ebay.com/widiscgolf)
josh@widiscgolf.com

There are no 4th run Teebird T's. 4th run Teebirds are TL's. They are just labeled as "T".

Avair P&A x2
10x Avair
CE Avair
Buzzz learning
Ching Roc new & beat
11x Roc beat
Z Wasp
Champion Cobra
CFR Viper waaay overstable
Pro Firebird overstable
11x Teebird stable
CE TL straight/ anny
Z Talon straight/ anny
Z Crush max D
CFR Starfire max D
Champion Beast understable
Z Wildcat understable/ roller

Too many? Nah, I like the exercise. ;)

First off, some of you ppl are going to have serious back problems from carrying too many discs! holy crap! 24 discs?!

Ok, here is my current bag setup, it is pretty static with a couple rollers that stay in my car trunk or go in my bag depending on the course...

175 Aviar-X 3x (gummy)
175 Aviar-X 4x (not-so-gummy)
175 Glow Roc (flat-top)
175 Z-Wasp
172 DX Archangel
175 Z-Wildcat
175 Z-Talon
173 Z-XS
172 Pro Firebird

The discs that go in and out depending on course are...
175 CE Valkyrie (long roller)
175 DX Archangel (short roller)

172 proto jk aviar
172 glo putt&approach aviar
167 XD
2 177 z-wasps (one stable, one not so stable)
180 beat glo roc
175 2nd run CE leopard
166 champion valkyrie
169 champion viking
174 champion beast
175 dx beast
174 10x teebird
174 11x teebird
172 pro firebird

This weekend?

One Z-Wasp

175 champ archangel-long overstable
175 champ beast- long stable
150 dx beast- long understable
174 7x kc pegasus- fairway overstable
174 ce leopard- fairway stable
170 champ panther- faiway understable
170 ce spider- approach overstable
172 d challenger- approach stable
168 86 softie- approach understable
174 flat top birdie- putt

keep handy
175 champ viper-drive wind
175 g5i demon- mid wind

plus backups when needed

Currently....going off a crappy memory

bottom to top of cart...

2 174-5 3x JK Aviar X
178 DX Roc
175 proto CE Spider Pearl
176 Z-pred-Blue
175 Z- Xtreme-Red
175 Pro Monster-yellow
175 CE Eagle-yellow
167 Pro beast- pearl
174 Crush first run-pearl
172 JLS 1.8 bright orange
170 X-XS beat to crap (roller)
174 X- Xpress bright green(breaking in for roller)
175 Champ Viking-Blue
178 BUZZZ-red

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Wizards
Wasps
Rocs
Teebirds
Talon
Firebird
Xtreme

Forgot my STARFIRE!!!!

175g Dark Purple

86 softie
glo aviar putter
xd
roc
photon wasp
beat stratus
beat teebird
dx beast
z wildcat

Right now I'm doing the "learn to throw your middies and putters well" thing so:

177 Buzzz
173 Halloween Roc
172 Soft Wizard

Normally, I carry up to nine discs. Depending on the course and conditions, any of the following might be in my bag:

165 H/E Speed Demon (used, but not beat)
164 H/E Speed Demon (beat)
171 X X2
176 Sabre
175 Z Xtreme
172 Scout
171 D Stratus
168 Chief
171 DX Rhyno
173 Z Putt'r

Lighter, flashlight, towel, water, beer, mini, permanent marker, dead leaves, dirt.

Speed Demon 121 gm -- tailwinds (amazing disc!)
DX Beast 165 gm -- still or light headwinds
Z Wildcat 170 gm -- light/medium headwinds
Z Reaper 175 gm -- strong headwinds
Z Hawk 169 gm -- straight or anhyzer upshots
Z Wasp 171 gm -- long upshots/control drives
Demon 170 gm -- upshots into the wind
Z Putt'r 170 gm -- short/anhyzer putts
Soft Wizard 169 gm -- long/hyzer putts and approaches

Roc , T-Bird , FireBird , Candy Panther , Aviar X ,Valk, Viking

Nothing but the goods!

Z-Xtreme
Z-Pred
Z-Talon
Z-Cat
Z-Crush
X-Pred
X-XL
Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
2 Swirl-icious putters

the usual, then there was last night............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................I found a birdy in my bag. I real bird was in there nestled inbetween to drivers!!! It was a little finch, flew away strong and healthy this morning.

First post on this board may as well be this one.

2 172g CE TL (main driver, 1 beat, 1 med. beat)
1 169g CE TL (uphill drives)
1 172g CE Firebird FX (side arm S and windy cond.)
1 172g CE Firebird F (side arm, wind, trick approach)
1 173g Z X2 (med headwind)
1 172g 10x KC Banshee (thumbers)
1 172g Z Wildcat (home course is along a 300+ cliff line in chico, ca.. use this in place of TL's cuz if I lose the cat, easily replaced)
1 169g Elite XL (super straight shots)
1 170g CE Valk (roll baby, roll)
1 175g Elite MRV (long approach, short drives)
1 173g Elite MRV (same)
1 175g Proline Gremlin (approach, gets me out of more jams than any other disc)
1 175g CE Big Bead (short approach)
1 175g 3x JK Aviar-x (main putter)
1 171g 3x JK Aviar-x (anhyzer & trick putts)
ziploc bag of filled w. ibuprofen
cliff bar
towel
nalgene bottle

This is my main bag. I'll swap things in and out depending on course and conditions. My home course is on a huge butte in Chico, CA. This is by far the windiest course I have ever played. The winds get up to ridiculous speed which is always entertaining.

Z Predator
KC Teebird 11x
Z Crush
Champ Valkyrie
Z XS (rollers)
X Stratus (rollers)

Z Wasp
X Wasp
Z Buzz

X Challenger
Wizard

I almost never actually carry all of the above. Usually only carry 5-7 to play my home course, Morley, depending on how it's set up that week.

do people actually read this thread? How bored do you have to be to care what 257 other people have in their bags?

1 Jaguar 237g
3 Midnight Flyers
1 Dimple discs
2 Eclipse
5 Birdies

:cool:

Well jimg...it is helpful for us newbies who like to see what better players carry. :)

For the record here's what I have in there right now set up for my main course (Hoover)

150g Dragon
169g Archangel (for those holes with the cliff on the right :) )
171g Stingray
179g Shark
174g Rubber Putter

Based on practice though... I may go to this:

171g XS
169g Roc
174g Comet
174g Rubber Putter
169g Crush (again, for the holes with the cliff on the right :) )

The best thing you can do, as a new player, is learn to throw that ROC! Take only the Roc to your course and play a round with it. See what score you can shoot with only the Roc. Even putt with it.

I think that newer players put the fast drivers in the bag way to early and before they are ready. If you can throw a Roc and putter well, you can throw a driver well. Rocs force you to use the proper technique and to use a good amount of spin.

Well jimg...it is helpful for us newbies who like to see what better players carry.



Locally, I'm considered to be one of the better players (though that's like being the tallest person at a midget convention), and none of the newbies emulate my bag.

When we play from the short tees, I carry an X-Challenger and a Z-Wasp. If it's windy, I'll also carry a Z-Xtra.

Everyone else is carrying all sorts of crazy long range drivers, and the hot, new disc of the week from Innova/Discraft when there's only one hole over 300'.

It doesn't HAVE to be a roc. What Kid_Roc meant to say was "Best thing you can do is learn to throw a WASP" :)

Yeah, I just got the Roc 2 days ago...and by reading a few million posts on here already...I can see that it is a valuable disc. I have to say that I like the flight I'm getting out of it already.

The best thing you can do, as a new player, is learn to throw that ROC! Take only the Roc to your course and play a round with it. See what score you can shoot with only the Roc. Even putt with it.



Good advice. And since I'm not into the whole my-brand-rules-and-yours-[*****] thing, I'd say "take a midrange, any midrange you like, and learn it."


I think that newer players put the fast drivers in the bag way to early and before they are ready.



Yup, but it's an ego thing. Beginers always want to throw far. They see the pros throwing 350'-450' and they want to be able to do the same thing.

I have a Z-Wasp as well ;)

I'm still learning just to throw the discs at all. When I started, I kept dumping discs into the woods, so I went to a Tomahawk style (and therefore bought a sh-load of Z-plastic discs...) I'm a bit of a tinkerer, so I buy a little of everything just to see how it works. It flew nicely, and I dropped about 10 shots off my score in 2 weeks.

But after about 3 months, I started to have serious elbow pain when I threw my drives...culminating in having to throw a few holes in the second round of a glow tournament lefty.

So I am teaching myself a regular RHBH throw...and it's coming along slowly. :) Luckily no more elbow problems...although if I toss a tomahawk wrong... :eek:

For the record: my very first round ever, I shot a 74 at Blendon Woods in Columbus...I am now down to a 59 there :)

Although, Hoover is a much longer course...and without much of an arm...I'm still in the mid 70s there. :(

2- aviar x's
3- rocs
2- TL or 10x t-birds [long drives]
2- x predators [more stable, tad longer]
2- h speed demons [overstable]
all on the heavy side

when up at higher elevations here in colorado, i will change my drivers to 165 dx t-birds, 150 dx beasts for distance, and 158 speed demons

Locally, I'm considered to be one of the better players (though that's like being the tallest person at a midget convention), and none of the newbies emulate my bag.



Maybe that's a holdover of mine from traditional golf...I know that if I saw a lot of players using a certain club, I wanted to have that club in my bag, because I believed it would help my game as well.

I'm definitely taking great notice of all the advice I'm getting here.

But I still can't help but buy more discs to try out...it is the gadget freak in me.

*stares at Classic Roc and Buzzz* :)

Maybe I should throw more, and buy less.

1 Champ Monster
1 EXP
1 CE and 1 Champ Valk (Longest Drivers becoming too understable may move to Viking)
1 CE Eagle
2 KC Cheetah (9x Super Beat Roller, 11x hyzer:flat shot)
1 (DX Valk and First Run XS Testing for Long Roller)
1 (MRV X)
1 (Wizard Softest--Stable Up Shot Short Holes)
1 (U2 Prostyle Anhyzer Short Holes)
2 (Omega SS Putters)

1st Run CE Teebird TL 172
2nd Run CE Teebird TL 170
1st Run CE Firebird FL 172
2nd Run CE Firebird FX 170
3rd Run CE Firebird F 175
2nd Run CE Eagle 172G
3rd Run CE Eagle 174G
1st Run CE Valkyrie 170
2nd Run CE Valkyrie 172
CE Spider 174G
9x Roc 178
Ontario Roc 176
Champion Cobra 177
9x Aviar 175G
10X Aviar 175G
SE Rhyno 175G

17 discs total, which I normally throw 10 to 12 of. I usually take out what I don't need depending on the course.

Hey Schmack Daddy,
How does that Starfire fly for you? I'm in the middle of switching to Vikings instead of Valkyries (or Beasts sometimes) because I'm turing the understable discs over too often. The Viking flies flatter but just a little shorter than the Valks (by maybe 10-15'). I have a Starfire but I haven't thrown it yet.

I havent really thrown it much.....Seems very "MONSTER" esque.....Very fast, and more over stable than a Viking, for sure....not sure how overstable it really is, because i havent really thrown it very many times.

I havent even played a casual round, that I recall,since I got it....1 tournament, and wasnt really anxious to "figure it out" during that....

I am bored so I will start this again

Wizard
Z-wasp
x-wasp
4 Rocs
SE Valk
1st run CE TL
10x Teebird
Z-Talon
CE FX
Z-Xtreme

What you throwing BBD?

I'll bite...

Swirl (The Patriot)
Pro-D Challenger
Photon UV Storm
Z-Storm
Z-Crush
Z-Kitty
Z-Talon
Z-Pred(actually, this has a few signatures on it, #8, Lake Lewisville, and will exit the bag before I play again, must find replacement)
Z-Xtreme
Epic(I just carry this because it pisses people off when you can throw a thumber 400 feet)

super puppy
Phenix
Scorpion
B-17

D-Space Shuttle
APX-lollypop
D-stinging insect
Photon-stinging insect
X-stinging insect
1 X-big tee-shirt
2 Z-kitties
2 Z-stay aways or you might get eatin'
1 Z-goodbye, can you see it anymore?
1 Z-why can't I throw this more than 300 feet?

I posted my bag, a long time ago, it has since changed.

Drivers:
2 - 11x Teebirds
2 - 10x Teebirds
2 - Champion Beasts
1 - Champion Monster
1 - CE Teebird TL(Old School Plastic)
1 - Z-Crush(experimenting)

Midrange:
1 - Z-wasp
1 - Z-buzzz
1 - Z-hawk

Utility:
2 - DX Gremlin
1 - Pro Line Gremlin

Putter:
2 - Aviar(SB)

In regards to the Starfire...here are my findings.
I have 170g one from the KC Wide Open.
It seems to me that it is somewhere between a Beast and Monster for stability.

The following info is based on RHBH:
It has a slight right turn during the high speed portion of it's flight and then it straightens out and then has a pretty hard left fade at the end. It's an ok disc, but my z-crush seems to fly just the same. So, for about $13 less, you can get a z-crush and pretty much have the same disc as a starfire. Just my two cents worth.

Here is my current bag. I rarely switch discs out and this setup works for me just about anywhere. Once in a while I will slip in an X- Xpress for throllers but I usually use a Wildcat for rolling.

3 - soft magnets
1 - D- Wasp
1 - Z- Storm
1 - Photon Talon
1 - Crush
2 - Z-Talons
1 - Z-XS
3 - Z-Wildcats
3 - X-Wildcats

Here is my current bag. I rarely switch discs out and this setup works for me just about anywhere. Once in a while I will slip in an X- Xpress for throllers but I usually use a Wildcat for rolling.

3 - soft magnets
1 - D- Wasp
1 - Z- Storm
1 - Photon Talon
1 - Crush
2 - Z-Talons
1 - Z-XS
3 - Z-Wildcats
3 - X-Wildcats





Dont forget to mention your Pencil Erasers, unmarked discs, laser range finder, and Im sure there are a handfull more illegal items in there......

:D

BOO-YAH!!!!

I said I had erasers. 3 soft magnets will erase thousands of score cards. I used to carry a rope saw but I was afraid that I would be accused of using it at a course other than mine. I'm not sure that a nuclear detonation device is illegal so I still carry mine.

ROFLMAO.......

I knew Blowflys erased well, never knew about the soft magnets.....

San Saba bound, in a couple hours....if you havent been there, its definately a property "NOT TO MISS"....

Schmack Daddy,
Cantrell here again. I need some advice from someone who throws Discraft. I'd like to try a long distance driver but don't know which Discraft to buy. I can turn Valkyries over every time and can turn light Vikings over too. So, I would like a slightly overstable to stable driver. I don't really know how to compare the Discraft stability ratings to the Innova discs. I've got friends that have thrown Wildcats and Talons but I don't know the difference. Which do you throw the farthest and straightest? Thanks.

I need some advice from someone who throws Discraft.

I can turn Valkyries over every time and can turn light Vikings over too.

I don't really know how to compare the Discraft stability ratings to the Innova discs.

Wildcats and Talons.......Which do you throw the farthest and straightest? Thanks.



I'd try a Z-Wildcat, a Z-Crush, or a Z-Talon. They are listed in order from least to more stable. See which one feels better in your hand, and performs better for you. I throw primarly RHBH, and am personally throwing the Z-cat for long left to right shots, the Z-Crush for big distance "S" shots, and the Z-Talon for a little less distance than the Z-Crush, but more accurate shots down the fairway.

Same 'ole goodies!

Z-Xtreme
Z-Pred
Z-Talon
Z-Cat
Z-Crush
X-Pred
X-XL
Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
2 Swirl-icious putters

Cantrell,
I know you directed this question to Schmack Daddy, but I still wanted to add my babble. :)

Just buy one of each!

Talon is more overstable and won't flip over like a Wildcat can from time to time. But seriously, buy one of each, I like talon's better because they won't flip (obviously) but the grip is also different, and it feels very very nice in my hand. I still love wildcat's, but the talon is easily the most predictable long driver I have ever thrown!

So then the Wildcat is fairly easy to turn over (understable)? What about the XS and XL and Xpress, etc. I want something I can throw as far as a Valk or Beast but that is more stable than both (I'm rhbh also by the way). Is there such a Discraft disc?

ACK ! Hero, you beat me to it by 4 minutes!

Wildcat is not easy to turn over in Z plastic. But it will if you have a cannon arm, or a lot of headwind. If you want something like a Valk with a bit more predictability, try the XS in Z plastic. Or get a moderately lightweight Wildcat. Order is as follows...

Talon - not flippy
Wildcat - usually not flippy with a few exceptions (arm strength, wind, amount of disc wear)
XS - straight, then flippy as it gets beat
XL - flippy
Xpress - quite flippy

I only throw Z plastics for my LRDs, so I can't say much for X plastic, but you might consider an X wildcat, I had one of those and it was very similar to a Valk, but a bit more predictable.

Hope this helps

Hi ryan,

So what's with your pic? Why the headphones? P.I.T., pilot in training?

Exactly!

no, I was just waiting for some ppl and listening to music and a picture was taken. I liked the picture better than most of my other pictures, so I made and avatar out of it. No real meaning for the headphones or anything.

If you want something that will be slightly more overstable than a Z-wildcat, talon, crush....then you should try the X-Predator. At first you might not get quite the same distance, but soon you'll notice it flies farther and farther :cool:

Are any of these discs color sensitive like what I've read about the Crush (you know the orange ones do one thing, the white ones another and so on)? Whatever the case I want something I can throw with maximum distance. I have discs I can throw 280' and under as straight as I want. I just want something I can really hurl out there.

Cantrell, While many of us are searching for the magic disc that will add 60 ft on to our drives,I honestly don't think the make, mold or weight of the disc matters a whole lot.
Sometimes I'll practice throwing distance with 15 discs at a time and I take note which went the furthest. I'll throw a couple T-birds,a couple Beasts, an Archangel,a Gazelle,a Wildcat, a Crush, an Eagle and whatever else I have with me at the time. Time after time I consistently get the most distance with.............................................. .................................................. ............................

.................................................. .................................................. ..whichever disc I got the best rip/height/angle combination with. I can always pick the top 3 out of the fifteen discs I threw before I walked down to retrieve them.Sometimes it's a T-bird,other times it's a wildcat,could be Innova , could be Discraft,Millenium and possibly even Gateway or Lightning.Any talk about one disc being far superior in distance is hype. If you're throwing 280 ft straight you're probably the envy of 90% of the Pro field. In order to make that 280 become 380 pick a driver you are consistent with and work on technique,practice regularly and forget all the hype. :)

Steve,
I'm not looking for the magic disc, I just want to know what the best Discraft driver is for me and since I've never thrown any Discraft I was soliciting advice from people who do throw Discraft.

Sorry Cantrell I must have misinterpreted your post. :confused:
I would recommend the Z wildcat among the Discraft line.While I have a Crush I don't get as much D as I do with the Wildcat. I can throw it a lot straighter while the Crush(pearl white) helixes back left to quickly for my tastes and arm speed.(I throw around 360-370 on ave.)

No problem. It does sound like I'm asking for a straight, long disc when what I want is the straightest and longest disc for me (I described earlier how I turn Valkyries over too easily now). The problem with Discraft is that, unlike Innova, they don't publish their disc's speed or distance ratings, only stability. So it would be a crap shoot for me to guess on the speed. A friend has a Z Wildcat and I threw it today for the first time. It's okay. I turned it over a little with no head wind but it's not quite as understable as the Valk. The weird thing is that I started throwing Vikings and instead of turning over they go straight and flat for half the way then turn right while still staying flat. Never seen a disc do that. So now I have to hyzer my Viks everytime. To wrap up, I'm in between discs with Innova. I turn Valks, Beasts and Viks over a little but don't have the arm to throw a Firebird (a very overstable disc) flat. The search contiues. I will buy a Z Wildcat so I can throw it more. Thanks for the help.

I believe the problem is with your technique not the disc. This is not to say you have bad technique just that your throw is turning the disc over. The heavier and more stable/overstable the disc the les techniqe is involved. To achieve the best technique practice with light stable/understable discs and make them perform all your required shots. when you return to the heavier stuf you will most likely flip them over less.

The less stable the disc the more distance. Unless you are a Giant like Marty Peters.

Cantrell, what is your "measured" max distance?
I'm not as familiar with Discraft's line as Innova's, but have you tried a KC Tee Bird or an X-Pred? As stated by other board posters, and verified by my own testing, they are 'similar', in that they're excellent gliders, can handle a moderate headwind, and are quite fast...though not as fast as a Valk/Beast/Wildcat/Crush. A disc known for its glide will enhance 'most' people's distance...except for the true big guns who can really milk-out distance from a fast disc. Starting with a hyzer release and 'then' turning a disc over is a verifiable display of power...or an understable disc.
In my Wildcat experiences, the Red and Dark-Blue Z-Cats are the most overstable of the Kitty-litter... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Only a dx Tee Bird and a dx Valk have exceeded 800' in competition... And I'm (almost ) sure that Jarvis/Sandstrom could have posted similar distances with Discraft's finest. :D

My technique is probably average for an advanced am. I throw accidental hyzers/anhyzers from time to time. So, yes, technique is a big part of it. I have, over time, gone to heavier discs because as my strength has increased understable discs have begun to turn over harder and harder when thrown flat. So, I have thrown the full range of weights for several long distance drivers. I could simply hyzer the hell out of an understable disc to get it flat but I would rather find a more stable disc that, when released flat tends to remain flat during the high speed portion of the flight. I can release a Viking flat and it will stay flat for the first say 250-300' and then fade off right (I am rhbh). This is strange to me as, for example, a Valk, an understable disc, breaks right almost immediately when thrown very hard and flat. Just the nature of an understable disc. So, the flight of a disc is a combination of many factors. After throwing many discs of varying weights in different wind conditions I feel that I would benefit from a more stable disc than the ones I have, at least for some shots. I can throw a Tee-bird very flat but I cannot thow them quite as far as say a Valkyrie of Beast.

Circle 2,
I have thrown 400' on a measure out driving range but my normal drives are in the 340-360' range. I had a candy Tee-bird and I could throw it very flat, but not with the D of the faster discs, and I lost it recently anyway. This is why I was wondering if Discraft made a disc that might be considered as fast as a Valkyrie but more stable, kind of like a Viking (although I don't think the Vikings are as stable as the Tee-birds).

"Heavy discs can mask poor technique." >>> Your local pros have much wisdom...and some time spent with one/some will only help. Understable plastic will usually handle greater altitude for distance's sake, but other factors will/can interfere...such as wind and reduced accuracy.
My best advice is to throw as low and flat as your skills 'and' the particular golf shot will allow.
Big annies/anhyzers (RHBH) bring the potential mistakes of going too far right, stalling out short, turning into an OB roller, etc...all for the sake of 'some' added distance.
Distance = a 'fun' obsession.
I'm looking forward to the day when putting practice becomes a 'fun' obsession...for me. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Z-Cat...experiment with colors though. When you find what works best for you, buy as many as you can in that color...staying as close as possible in weight as well.
I posted this awhile back, but my doubles partner at league one night had a brand new Orange Z-cat that was way less overstable than my 2 month old dark blue one. We verified this by exchanging drivers for a what-if shot on the last hole. We were both surprised at the definite difference! :o

Many people look at color differences and flight differences as a PROBLEM!! I do not :D For me, it's the pilot and not the disc! If I can find a more understable Z-cat then great, that's less time I need to beat it up. Whereas a more overstable version of the same disc is also good b/c I've got a long flyer that won't flip until beat...

Last year I picked up a dark blue Z-cat from Mike Barr of Green Country Doubles in Tulsa, OK. First time throw I realized it was understable (maybe because of the hot stamp?). It instantly became my backup understable long flyer and I didn't have to beat it up. I was psyched until I lost it at the USDGC on #5. Last I saw of it, it was floating upside down in the middle of the lake heading towards #17. It will NEVER be seen again

2 174/175 Aviar (one beat up and one new)
1 174 CE Spider (tricky shots out of woods and long putter)
1 172 Pro Line Gremblin for windy
1 174 CE Leopard (old beat up for straight)
1 174 CE Leopard (little new for long anhyzer shots)
1 162 CE Firebird (2nd run for long downwind shots)
1 174 Pro Line Monster (Long Tomhawk shots and windy shots)
1 172 Champion Viking (start to like it and great for windy)
1 170 CE Valkyrie (long low S shots )
1 173 First Run JK Valkyrie (not clear one. for windy shots)

Now I am testing ROCS. I am trying to understand about ROCS. Anyone can tell me about rocs? what is so special about rocs? what kind and weight of rocs that I should get? Will they make Champion Roc in near future? it would be nice!

172 Z Putt'r (blue) -- short/anhyzer putts
168 Proto Wizard (blue) -- long/hyzer putts
172 Demon (blue) -- headwind approaches, and when it absolutely, positively has to go hard left
168 Z Wasp (yellow) -- long hyzer approaches and control drives
172 Z Buzzz (purple) -- straight/anhyzer approaches and control drives
158 SE Valkyrie (white) -- long anhyzer drives, long tailwind drives when I still need some control
170 Z Wildcat (orange) -- light headwinds
175 Z Reaper (red) -- heavy headwinds/heavy hyzer drives
121 Speed Demon (white) -- tailwind drives in the open

The Crush.

I'm afraid to buy a Crush because of all of the stability talk. One color does one thing while another does something else. Not only that but there is no clear concensus on what each color does (obviously arm strength and technique are behind this). There is also division on which is a better straight line, long distance disc, the Talon or the Wildcat. What I don't want is a disc that is going to be flippy (at least not for my straight line driver). A little overstable or just a hair understable would be okay. I'm not a big gun but I can turn even a heavy Valkyrie over half the time (again this is when I watch the throw carefully and the disc starts out flat).

The Talon is a great flyer, but it has a shallow rim...which is opposite that of a Pred, which is deeper, and more comfortable/user-friendly for me.
I've had 4 of those dark blue Z-Cats...none of which had a hotstamp...all have been consistent for me. They've handled a moderate headwind when newer.
I'm a flat thrower as well, and have similar avg & max distances as you, cantrell.
I finally got a couple of good rips off of my Viking the other day...though this time of year I tend to play less, which helps my distance.

I don't think of a Talon as a straight flyer. Mine is kinda overstable. I use it for long hyzers, and light headwind drives.

I agree that the Talon is 'kinda overstable'. But seeing a bigger arm fire one on a rope is so impressive...until I grip one, and feel the uninspiring shallow rim.

It's the pilot, not the disc. Color is irrelevant.

Throw the disc, insert into quiver depending on stability. Not evey disc is exactly the same, but that doesn't matter b/c as long as you know what it's going to do....then make it work for YOU!

My bag will probably stay like this for a long time. I have no desire to even buy more discs right now. Gotta learn how to throw the crap I have in there now.

2 UV Challengers(169 and 172)
1 Elite X Challenger(175)
2 10x Rocs(174 and 175)
1 ZWasp(172)
1 Purple Buzz(172)
1 Pro Gremlin
1 ZCrush(175)
1 Fly-Dye ZXS(stability rating of 1)(174)
1 Orange ZXS(stability rating of 1.5)(163)
2 Vikings(162 and 175)
1 KC Banshee(probably has been in my bag the longest)
1 JK Valkarie(flat top)

If I take anything out of my bag it will be the 2 10x Rocs and put in a heavier buzz.

The UV challengers have less fade than the XChallenger.

My bag is way too big.
1 2nd run CE Valk
1 1st run CE Valk
1 CE T 3 Roc's (glow, ontario, 2002 CE)
1 CE TL 2 XD's
1 CE F 1 Q-mega
1 CE FL 3 aviars
1 CE FX 1 DX Beast
2 1st run CE Eagles (one beat, one new)
1 glow CE Eagle
1 Cyclone 2
2 Starfires
1 Whippet X
1 CE leopard

Gees, I need a smaller bag.

A little O' this...a little O' that...

looks like candyred is on ebay a lot

and cash to spare... :mad::p

I like to spend ridiculous money on discs... has anyone compiled a list of first run, second run, etc. and how to identify them? I know I have a few valuable discs that are ce plastic (tee-birds, firebirds, valkyrie), but not sure of their worth. Not that it really matters, as long as they throw good. :)

I know a lot about CE Teebirds. I can probably tell you the run of any one I see.

The difference I've noticed between the Talon and the Wildcat is that the Talon is more overstable and doesn't like to be thrown with as much height. It is one of the flattest discs I've seen (even without having to run over it with the car a few times) and for me it is my goto choice on windy days. I carry both a 170g and a 174g...the more windy the heavier I will throw) I don't get as much distance as I do on a Wildcat, but the difference is maybe 20 feet. If D is your biggest concern try the X Wildcat. It's a little less stable than the Z, but not so stable that I flip it. I've put it out 400+ quite a few times when I get a really good rip. I find it to be about 20 ft longer than my Z cat because it glides better. My average drives are in the 360-375 range.

3 minis
2 Hackey Sacks
4 pencils (3 broken)
$3.32 in change
PDGA rulebook
PDGA membership & officials card
TCL & AZDGC club membership cards

yeah, i spend way too much time on ebay. and the cash I have to spare usually goes there. oh well, we all have our addictions! :D

Here's what's in my bag---

2 Omega Supersoft Putters (both 175)
1 Elite Z Talon (170)
1 Champion Viking (166)
1 Champion Panther (170)
1 Champion Gremlin (172)
2 CE Valkyries (168, 170)
2 JK Proline Valkyries (168, 167)
1 DGA Riptide (weight unknown)
1 QMS (179)
1 Elite X Storm (175)
1 CE Spider (175)
1 Proline Spider (175)
1 Proline Leopard (170)

I don't think it's a matter of what's in your bag, but for an addict, what you've got in stock at HOME!

Here's what's in my bag:

2 Pro Rhynos (172 and 175)
1 KC 11X avair (169)
1 Champ Cobra (180)
2 Pro Gremlins (both 174)
1 Pro Spider (176)
1 Champ Ahark (177)
1 dx shark (180)
1 Pro Eagle (173)
1 KC 11x Gazelle (174)
1 JK Valk (174)
3 Pro Teebirds (169, 172, 174)

3- 174 Soft Magnets
1- 175 SE Soft Rhyno
1- 174 DX Rox (beat to hell)
1- 150 Champ Cobra (FUN!)
1- 168 Champ Teebird
1- 174 Champ Beast
1- 169 X XL
1- 169 Z X2
1- 174 X X2
1- 177 X Typhoon
1- 150 CE Valkyrie (the original, baby!)

SO, I'm bi. Talk amongst yourselves. :D

175 QJLS
171 Champ Beast
175 Ching Valk
172 Z-Xpress
170 KC Firebird 10X
173 KC Cheetah 10X
172 KC Cheetah 11X
177 KC Roc 11X
174 Stinger
170 Classic Roc
175 Classic Roc
175 XD
175 Aviar P/A

1 Red Z-Xtreme 174 (for ridiculous stupid shots that are ill-advised)
1 Z-Predator
1 first run Z-Talon 174 (for big, accurate D and snap rollers)
1 Z-Talon 174 (Long and straight)
1 beat X-Talon 174 (for rollers)
2 Z-wildcats 174 (Big D and S shots)
1 Z-crush 177 (freakishly long distance)
1 Z-XL 169 (turnover drives and uphill shots)
1 Z-buzzz (still learning this one)
1 Z-Wasp (Shorter drives)
1 X- comet (this disc is truly underrated. It's also the cheapest way to buy an Ontario Roc)
1 UV Challenger (putter)
1 X Challenger (for upshots)
1 D-Rattler (Short upshots and putts that have no right to go in)


Discraft por vida!

Proline F'Bird
Speed Demon 157
X Pred
6 T'Birds, 2 11x, 2 10x, 2 SE
Champ Beast 164
Z-Crush
Viking 167
Z Cat 170
CE Valk 157 (2nd run)
2 Demons beat & new
CE Spider 176
2 Rocs dx flat-tops
2 Wasps X and Photon
Proline Rhyno
3 Aviar P&As

sorry i had to do this but i am feeling funny...

whats in my bag.. 2 of my buddies!!!

3- Evolution Speed Demons around 172-177.1 beat 1 slightly beat and one pretty new.
1 Evolution G1i Sabre 176g for long down wind or med low ceiling.
1 "S" G1i Sabre175g- very firm and beefy for long staright drives 350 plus
1 evolution G3i Blaze173g super overstable for shots that really need to finish left.
1 "S" G3i Blaze - My money disc and has been in my bag for over 2 years ( still flies exactly the same as new)
Beat G3i blaze 175g flies dead staight for shots 320-380 with almost no fade.
1 "S" G5i Demon. Bad [*****] overstable mostly for big spike Hyzers or skip shots ( does not get effected by the wind EVER!
Really Beat "S" G1i Sabre 175g - Rollers, shorter Tomahawks and flip up shots in the woods. Flies dead straight at med speed for 225-250'.
1 G9i Chief ( or "H" Wizard 173g) Overatable approach and seems to get more overstable with use.
1 proto RED Wizard 174 Very chalky on surface and med firmness for straiht drivess off the tee and layups
1 Beat wizard 175g ( had to beat it up on purpose to get it to turn over. slow left to right turnovers and lay ups in the woods.

Putter 174 g chalky Red wizard med flex and very tacky on the surface.
2 towels
gortex socks
throwing glove for the winter (right hand golf Glove)
River city Flyers Bag Tag
Lots of pencils and sharpies
5" center cut out of the flight plate of a disc for a mini ( grateful disc golf club stamp on bothe sides. Green side when I'm going for the chains and the Red side when I'm laying up!

1 164g Champion Beast
1 169g Valk.
1 174g KC Pro Gazelle
2 169g & 170g Stingrays (for rolling)
2 170g & 178g ROCs
1 175g Discraft Magnet Putter
2 minis
1 chart for Innova Discs
1 print out sheet on different grips
1 pen

AND SOON TO HAVE

Z-Crush and a 167g Candy Archangel (woohoo)

Dave:
Just curious if Gateway has any plans to make minis? I love mini golf, play it regularly in my apartment, and would be happy to be a Gateway mini tester. A mini Speed Demon would be possibly the best mini ever. And I think I should get a case of free ones when you make them for that idea. :D

Ok, First off....
MINI SPEED DEMON! That is awesome, I would buy a case of them! I have a Mini Magnet and all my friends just got their mini candy aviars and were bragging about how well they fly, I threw my mini magnet and got like 10 more feet then they were getting with their candies. But a SPEED DEMON! That would take the cake.

on another note...
Dan, You just bought a Candy Archangel. Just a warning, they have no flight characteristics of the DX Archangel. They fly more like a Teebird than anything. But they are fun none-the-less.

mini speed demon, sheesh :D

what is an archangel like? Stable? Turnover?

DX Turnover, hear the CE turned out about like the First Z-Xpress'

Dindt like the DX much, so didnt bother with the CE.

gotcha

Martin, don't mess with the Archangel. Nothing special.

My bag is perfect right now! ALL GATEWAY!

Dead & Factored 172 S Speed Demon - huge rollers, thumbers, tailwinds. mostly thumbers.

Worn 170 Blaze - huge s-curve and anhyser

New 174 H Warrior - hysers, sidearm, wind.

Beat 169 g5i Demon - hysers & straight up to 320. controlable skips. 4 aces here.

Beat 175 g6i Demon - Straight & anhyser up to 320. Straight skips. 3 aces here.

New 174 H Scout - new and very overstable. Up to 250.

Worn 174 H Chief - Approach in any direction up to 220.

175 med Wizard - Only putting.


Long live the DEMON!!!!!!!!!!! Best disc ever made.

dude...i heard a rumor there is a case of 2001 ce roc mini's out there....BIG MONEY on e-bay :D:D

aviar x 175
pro rhyno 174

z-buzzz 174
03 ce roc 180

2-ce TLs 174
2-h speed demons 157,174
2-dx beasts 149,172

I haven't posted on this thread in a while...

2 QJLS (it's my 3-wood)
Z-Buzzz (midrange with left fade)
Glo Roc (finely tuned)
CE Classic Roc (short and straight)
CE Valk (long range BH roller)
DX Valk (primary BH roller)
JLS (very beat - (quick turning BH roller)
E-Speed Demon (crazy FH roller and FH flicks)
Pro-line Banshee (primary FH disc - soon to be replaced by CE Glo Banshee)
Aviar-X
Glo Aviar (primary putter)

I occassionally mix in a long range driver like a Viking or X-Wildcat, but I hardly ever throw them. I'd rather have the control of the QJLS.

hmm just got this figured out... i think

173 red flattop valk- stupid stuff
175 stable ce firebird
175 kc teebird 11x- workhorse
175 yellow flatop ..more expensive eagle-better in wind though
175 dx beast or/ valk.. super flippy- waiting for viking
175 berry shutlz champ beast - really hard ones are cool
180 ce cobra
new 10x kc roc ..hyzer
new dx roc ..upshots/slight hyzer
beat 10x kc roc.. the other other workhorse
beat 11x kc roc .. snappy turnover
175 proto wizard.. cooler stamped avairx
...still dont know about elite wasp/ buzz yeat, and really want a durable super gator..really been waiting for that one. :D

169 Crush (aced with it just yesterday!)
166 Champ Beast
166 JK valk
166 Z-XL
171 2001 roc
173 Z-Buzzz
176 San Marino Roc
2 174 Champ Putters

158-gm SE Valk (still conditions or tailwind)
170-gm Z Wildcat (slight headwinds)
175-gm Z Reaper (stiff headwinds or big hyzer)
167-gm Apache (control drives)
173-gm Z Wasp (long approaches in the open)
171-gm Z Buzzz (anhyzer approaches/drives in the woods)
170-gm Demon (approaches into stiff headwinds)
173-gm Proto Wizard (long putts/short approaches)
172-gm Z Putt'r (short/anhyzer putts)
175-gm Aero (approaches when I have lost my nerve and just want to tentatively float it up there and see what happens in slow motion)

2 174g - Candy TL's
1 175g - TieDie JK Valkarie
3 180g - Roc's
1 180g - "OLD" Shark
1 180g - "OLD" Stingray
1 175g - "Original" Whippet
1 175g - 1st Run FX
1 175g - Wizard (Sorry Dave D but I LOVE this disc)
2 174g - Aviar - Putt & Approach

:D

1-2nd run ce firebird 170g
1-ce FX 167g
1-late run ce Firebird 168g
1-late run ce firebird 169g (beat)
1-3rd run ce VALK 170g
1-4th run ce valk 162g
1-1st run ce valk 170g
1-late run ce eagle
1-old beat flippy XL (roller)
1-old MS
1-QMS
1-ce spider
1-beat aviar (175g)
1-New aviar (175g)

In defense of the DX Archangel, it is one of only 2 Innova drivers that I carry with me. When new, the Archangel (dx) has a beautiful and slow anhyzer fade. Probably the most graceful anhyzer disc I've thrown. Very few people like them, but very few people throw them for the shot that they seem to fly best, high & soft anhyzers.
Once they start to get too weathered for arial flight, they are wonderful mid-long range rollers, they go very striaight and can be tuned to keep their trueness.

The, CE Archangels, I do not like, they are nothing like the DX, totally different discs.

165-Champion Beast
165-DX Beast
171-Champion Spider
169-DX Spider
175-KC Pro Aviar (11 time)
175-Aviar Putter
174-JK Pro Aviar-x (4 time)
175-Dyed Champion Aviar

167-Pro Line Spider
180-Wasp
166-SE Soft Rhyno
169-Champion Shark
177-DX Roc
171-Wasp
178-Buzz
175-1st run JK Pro Valkyrie
174-1st run CE Leopard
168-CE FireBird
169-CE FireBird
171-Starfire
172-CE TeeBird (TL)
173-Champion Viking
174-CE Teebird
170-Champion Valkyrie
150-Champion Omega
161-JK Pro Aviar-x

<font color="orange"> 2 174 Z-Predators
1 170 Opaque Z-Talon
1174 First Run X Talon
1174 X Talon
2 174 Z-Crushs'
1 174 Z-Wildcat
1 170 Z-Wildcat
1 173 Z-XS
1 175 X-Stratus
1 174 Flatop Z-Wasp
1 175 Flatop Z-Wasp
1 173 Z-Wasp
1 178 Z-Buzzz
1 176 Z-Buzzz
1 175 Z-Buzzz
1 174 Z-Buzzz
1 173 Proto Breeze
3 174 X Challengers(winter only in summer they are D)
1175 First Run Magnet
1 176 Jbird of Pray Magnet
My Switch To DISCRAFT is Finally Complete
Cept i still have this **** good Innova Tour Bag
Looks like im going to have to get a Revolution </font>

2 x Predator. All upwind and flex or hyzer shots, also sidearms over 300.
2 x Talon. All straight shots under 375 and left to right helix shots, also cut rollers.
1 Brand New x XS for rollers and slice shots.
1 or 2 z Talons for windy straight shots,Tomahawks and Thumbers, also sidearms under 300.
2 MRX. 1 stable 1 beat. Most drives under 300.
3 Soft Magnets, new, beat, and putter. Mix n match inside 185'.
Also, my favorite for downhill, long bomb rollers, 1 first run Z Wildcat. Best Disc Ever.
All max weight except beat MRX which is 172, and was a steal in the discraft misprint package.
New ( in the practice bag )
2 Z Crush. All shots over 400 that don't NEED to Hyzer. ( and left to right shots over 350.
2 Z Buzz. For very accurate, and/or straight shots, also slight flex shots up to 335.

1 Z Reaper
2 Z Talons
2 Z XLs
3 Z XSs
1 2K Elite XL
1 Z Xpress
2 Z MRV
1 Z Comet
1 Old School Comet
1 X Comet New
1 X Comet BEAT
1 Z Magnet
2 Soft Magnets
1 BEAT Soft Magnet
Discraft Mini from Bob West 2001 Color Max Stamp
2 Pencils
Bottle of water
Chap Stic
Dirt and leaves
Revolution Team Bag w/ Quad Shocks
$1.02 in change

Missing weights were either found/bought used and unmarked.

1?? JK Valk (found in some haggard bush)
170 LS Polaris
167 KC Gazelle
170 DX Stingray
1?? DX Banshee
172 DX Viper
150 DX Gazelle strictly tomahawk (found it in a creek)
166 Shark
174 Omega SuperSoft

1 towel
1 blue bandanna
1 sharpie, 1 pencil
1 notepad

179 Glo Rancho Roc (getting pretty beat)
180 Big Bird Rancho Roc (really beat)
177 z-wasp (old)
177 z-wasp (new)
174 champion beast
172 pro firebird
175 CE leopard (2nd run)
175 CE valk (final run)
167 champion viking (new)
167 champion viking (older)
174 aviar putt&approach (chains stamp)
174 omega supersoft
172 proto jk aviar

mini sized piece of an omega that the dog chewed up, phone, black sharpie, hitter&filler, and some light grain sand paper.

Hmm looks like we need to start a new thread -- "What's in your DG Bag Pockets" rather than what discs do you carry :cool:

Hmm looks like we need to start a new thread -- "What's in your DG Bag Pockets" rather than what discs do you carry :cool:



I wonder how many "5th Amendment" replies that would earn... :)

Jerky, Peanuts,
2- omega AP's (1.3 run 1999)
1- super soft omega for the annie putt.
1- kc eagle for sky rollers.
1- tye dy Z-wildcat for annie's
1- red Z-wildcat
2- ce monstors
2- Z predators
1- z extreme
1- 01 CE ROC
1- QMS
1- wasp

In my bag
1 soft rhyno no wind
1 hard rhyno into wind puts and upshots
174 Candy Eagle New more wound up than a banshee
2) 175 Kc Banshee Newish most drives
175 Dx Beast a little beat helix and placement shots
175 JLS old tunnel and anhyzer
155 Kc Tee Bird oohh I love it long tail wind
175 Dx Eagle roller
149 EXP hit by car inflight, now its perfect for long straight or anhyzer
176 Shark newish upshots and short tunnel shots
172 Champ Valk new working it in on helix shots
then there's...
sand from East Texas
red mud from OKC
grass from Tulsa
and a Jager Cap from the Friz
:cool::cool::cool:

Normal Conditions Bag

(2) 163 11x Teebird
168 11x Teebird
169 CE Teebird
(2) 161 Champion Beast
169 CE Valkyrie
150 CE Valkyrie
166 Candy Viking
163 Candy Viking
160 CE Firebird
169 10x Banshee
170 CE Leopard
170 CE Spider
175 DX Aviar
171 CE Aviar <font color="red"> </font>
175 Omega SS 1.8 Putter
171 Omega SS 1.8 Putter
Several Towels, Birdie Bag, 2 Sharpies, $7.00, Steady Ed Mini, PDGA mini, Swiss Army Knife, Olympus Stylus 400 Digital Camera.

All in a Red Gateway Backpack Bag
If wind, insert heavier discs same models.
If wet conditions insert DX plastic.
Life is Good.

Pepper beef jerky, Sunflower seeds no shells
175 - SM Big Bird Roc
180 - SM Domey Big Bird Roc
179 - Rancho Roc
175 - 4th run CE Valk
175 - Pro Line Beast
175 - FL
175 - Last Run CE Eagle
174 - Champion Viking
176 - First Run Stratus
(2) 175 - Small Bead Orange Aviar P&A

Dust. Very Sad. :(

3 SE Soft Rhynos - all 170
JK Aviar - 175
2001 CE Roc - 174
Pro Gremlin - 175
CE Eagle - 161
2 CE Valks - 158 + 167
Z Reaper - 166
Champion Viking - 156
CE T-Bird - 160
2 Elite XLs - both 167
Z XL - 170
Pro Beast - 167

2 SE Rhynos 175
2 CE Eagles 174
2 CE Valkyries 170
2 CE Firebirds 169
2 Z MRV 174
1 CE Rhyno 170
towel & pens

beast, monster, 2 rocs, omega ss

CWare, you forgot: Several isles from Walgreens and HEB. I sure hope no one thinks I'm kidding.

My sack:
2 big beads, hard as granite.
3 roc's mmmmmmnnn
3 first run Valk's various condition
1 Wildcat. overall flight is straighter than the Valk's
2 first run Firebirds.
1 Z Xtreme. I can't throw this pig over 280 ft. Hence, I throw it as hard as I can and it goes exactly, yep, that far and left. John Houck, we keep looking for that Q1.4.

1 Classic Hammer (Pre - '87)
1 Classic Roc
1 CE Classic Roc
1 Omega Driver
3 Special Edition Rocs
2 Special Edition Teebirds (Rollers &amp; Extreme Flips)
2 First Run CE Teebirds
1 CE TL Teebird
2 Champion Beasts
1 Speed Daemon

1 Birdie Bag
1 Knee pad
1 Martha Stewart Kmart Towel
1 Metal PDGA Mini
4 pencils
1 Rulebook
1 Sedgley Tag
1 DDG Tag
1 Chapstick
1 Talc bottle
1 Fingernail clipper
33 MADGIC TIMES Business Cards

Bag is a first year Revolution Bag (Blue) w/ shoulder harness.

1 Champ Whippet X
1 Candy Archangel
1 1st run ZCrush
2 Candy Starfires
2 Champ Vikings
2 ZXS
1 ZWildcat
1 ZPredator
1 ZXL
1 CE Eagle
1 SE TL
3 XWasps
1 First Run Buzz
1 Zwasp
1 Challenger
1 Chief
1 Rubber Putter

Towel
Marker
Couple Minis

Amazing thing is that I use my Whippit more than what I thought I would.

Current discs in my brand new PDGA tour bag w/da Quad-Shocks.
Drivers:over to understable
Z-Wildcat, 172
QJLS, 175
KC Cheetah 10X, 173
KC Firebird 10X, 173
Z-Xpress, 172
KC Firebird 10X, 170
KC Cheetah 11X, 172
Ching Valk, 175
Mirange/Approach:over to understable
Z-Wasp
Ching Roc
Spider
Stratus
Classic Roc
Ching Stinger
XD
Aviar P&A

1st run original Roc 168g
SM Roc 174g
7 Time KC Gazelle 174g
Blowfly 168g
1st run Viking 174g
2nd run Viking 174g
DX Beast 174g
DX Beast taco'd 174g
Starfire 174g
1st run Crush 174g
Whippet 172g
Brand X 40X 163g
Sandpaper / pencils / scorecard / mini / lighter / towel

Nothin But INNOVA
2 KC Big Beads
2 Glo Big Beads
Big Beads are for putting only
1 Very beat dx shark- quick hyzer-flip turnover shots and short backhand rollers 250-300 ft
1 New dx shark- 325-400 ft slow turning shots
1 CE SHARK- Stable midrange- most predictable disc I have ever thrown.
2 dx rocs straight flyers with late turn over
1 first run 10x KC roc straight flyer with late hyzer
1 8x KC roc straight
1 10x KC eagle extremely beat-- Rollers 300-350 ft
1 first run CE leopard- 350-400 ft rollers
1 CE FX--- thumbers 250-300 ft
1 CE Viking-- Wide open calm and tailwind throws 450+, still experimental.
1 second run CE Eagle--- Straight to turnover 350-400
1 Proline Firebird- straight flyer,also used for thumbers 300-375 ft, also for rollers 400+
2 CE Firebirds- Main driver-

All my discs are Max Weight

Schweb

Only the good stuff

3 - 4 KC Teebirds
-10 x broken in 175g - down-wind, turnovers and roller
- 10 x 174g (go to driver)
- 11 x 175g - overstable headwind/ hyzer driver
- 10 x 175g - my water disc for the past 2 years
1- 1st run CE Firebird
1 -11x KC Banshee (black) it's a frikin' pig
3 - Rocs
- 2001 CE 177g
- 10 x KC 178g - nicely broken in
- 8 x KC 178g - overstable, drives 280-320 ft.
1 - CE Ryhno - 170g (may as well be 200g, its a pig!!!)
1 - Classic Aviar - 175g
3 - KC Aviars
- 10 x 175g
- 9 x 174g (my putter, has some T. Branch mojo)
- 9 x 171g (long range jump putter & upshot)
1 - Aviar Putt & Approach - 171g
- (old, 3rd disc I ever bought back in '97, utility disc- aka gets me out of trouble)
Mini- dyed CE Aviar

Only the good stuff

3 - 4 KC Teebirds
-10 x broken in 175g - down-wind, turnovers and roller
- 10 x 174g (go to driver)
- 11 x 175g - overstable headwind/ hyzer driver
- 10 x 175g - my water disc for the past 2 years
1 - DX Beast - 174g - (looonnnnnngggg range, I use it when distance is needed more than accuracy. Man do they go far!!!)
1- 1st run CE Firebird
1 -11x KC Banshee (black) it's a frikin' pig
3 - Rocs
- 2001 CE 177g
- 10 x KC 178g - nicely broken in
- 8 x KC 178g - overstable, drives 280-320 ft.
1 - CE Ryhno - 170g (may as well be 200g, its a pig!!!)
1 - Classic Aviar - 175g
3 - KC Aviars
- 10 x 175g
- 9 x 174g (my putter, has some T. Branch mojo)
- 9 x 171g (long range jump putter & upshot)
1 - Aviar Putt & Approach - 171g
- (old, 3rd disc I ever bought back in '97, utility disc- aka gets me out of trouble)
Mini- dyed CE Aviar

Soft Magnet
D Challenger
X-MRV
Z Buzzz
Z Wasp
Z Wildcat
Z Crush
Z Talon (beat)
Z Talon (new)
X Predator
Z Predator (beat)
Z Xtreme (nothin better than throwin a hub cap)

Bradley

You forgot about the six pack of micro brews you keep stuffed in the side pockets :)

2- 11x Teebirds (174g and 171g)
2- CE beasts (174g)
2- DX beasts (175g, one beat for turning over)
2- CE leopards (one is slightly beat old style proline for rollers)
2- KC pro gazelles (love this disc, always reliable in any conditions)
4- Rocs ( a variety of dx and kcpros in different stages)
1- CE aviar and 1 JK aviar

2 aviar-x 175

03 ce roc 180
z-buzz 173
dx roc 175 beat

ce tl 175
10x teebird 172
dx teebird 166

2 dx beasts 146,172
2 h speed demons 156,174

Oh yeah, and a plethora of dank frosty beers. Not to mention any other goodies stashed away.

For now I carry--
1 11x CE Teebird 170g
2 DX Teebirds (166g new, 174g beat)
1 DX Cheetah 168g
1 CE Valk 170g
1 DX Valk 168g
2 DX Beasts (168g beat, 170g new)
3 DX Rocs (168g slightly beat, 171g fairly new, 176g new)
1 Z-Elite Hawk 171g
2 DX Aviar P&A (172g, 174g)

Bag is Innova Deluxe (18 disc capacity)

Luke/NJ

CE Firebird FX - 175 - thumbers, skip shots, wind
CE Starfire - 175 - wind or long hyzer shots
Z Wildcat - 173 - distance
CE Valkyrie - 175 - new - distance and accuracy
CE Valkyrie - 175 - beat - turnovers and rollers
Z Express - 172 - predictable turnovers
11X KC Gazelle - 175 - Shorter drives
2002 CE ROC - 180 - most midrange shots
2001 CE ROC - 179 - most stable midrange shots
Z Buzz - 177 - any line light wind
Prototype Ontario ROC - 178 - long turnovers
Stratus - tirck shots and extreme turnovers
10X KC Aviar - 175 - approach
2 3X JK Aviars - 175 - new and used - putting
Revolution Team Bag with the new Phenix QuadShocks

Whew, you guys must still be young, or have good backs... ;)
I'm trying desperatly to get the number of discs in my bag down. Even bought me an Innova Small bag so I wouldn't be tempted to carry too much extra weight.
Currently:
1 Discraft X-Putt'r 173 - putter (0-15m)
1 Discraft Rattler 174 - approach (15-50m)
1 Discraft Z-Buzz 173 - stable midrange (40-80m)
1 Innova Proto-KC Roc 178 - overstable midrange (50-90m)
1 Discraft Storm 176 - stable long midrange (70-100m)
1 Innova Champion Valkyrie 166 - understable driver (80-120m)
1 Innova 9x KC Teebird 171 - stable driver (90-130m)
1 Innova 11x Champion Teebird 171 - overstable driver (80-110m)

Occasionally i also slip in a really beat up XL when encountering a roller friendly course. Feels like this mix gives me all I need to handle just about anything I might encounter. (Even scared off an aligator with a Roc during 1994 Worlds in Port Arthur, Texas ;) )

There's also a slight overlap between the discs individual range/stability/usage, so even if I would lose one or even two discs during a round I can cope well with what's left.

3 Wizard, 2 very soft ones and one soft
3 Scout
3 Evolution Sabre
2 Evolution Blaze
3 H-Speed Demon
1 Glow GDS mini

Blaze of Glory (http://www.gdstour.com)

welcome back to the board tatu. :)

1 Z Crush Big Hyzer
1 CE Valk or Eagle Slight Hyzers
1 Z XS Straight Driver
1 DX Beat Stingray Annie/Rollers
1 Z MRV Upshots
1 Aviar P&A Short Straight Upshots
1 Elite Challenger Putting

What I carry
Swirl APX for Putting
DX and Champ Rhynos
DX and 04 USDGC Rocs
Ts and TLs
DX Valk
Orc
Monster

2 aviar-x 175
1 z-wasp 178
2 z-buzz 174
2 teebirds 170 dx, 173 10x
2 dx beasts 150, 172
2 h speed demons 160, 173

gonna try to work in the new se t-bird, and can't wait to see if the se orc can replace my heavier dx beast

11x Banshee
2 Champ Orcs
2 CE Firebirds
2 QJLS
2 Starfires
1 ZWildcat
1 ZPredator(probably can be taken out since I have the FBs)
Super Roc(old school)
Champ Whippit
Xwasp
Zbreeze
ZChallenger
2 JK Aviars

Heres whats in my bag

Kc teebird 171g tye dye
Z wilcat 171g custom dyed by me see avatar
Z Predator 173g
Champ. Monster 173g
2 Dx Rocs 179g and 160g
Dx Banshee 173g
Dx Beast 175g
Dx Aviar 175g
Pro-d Soft Magnet 175g

And thats what iu cary in my bag i also have another 13 discs that dont get used overlly much!

3-Aviars (Pro Line, Glo)
2-Wasps (Pro, X, )
1-Z-Buzzz
1-Z-Breeze
7-Teebirds (CE/SE-TL's, 11x's, Pro line)
3-Z-Crush (170,172,174)
3-PL-Monsters (172's,174)
2-Z-Reapers (166, 168)
2-Z-Wildcats (172, 174)
2-CH-Orcs (172,174)
2-CH-Vikings (175's)
1-DX Beast (Turnovers)

PT #20431

you forgot to mention how you carry so many discs! ouch, my back hurts just thinking about it!

Since last post i have changes once again :D
Still all DISCRAFT just diff stuff

1 Z Xtra
2 Z Preds
3 Z Talons 174 172 slightly beat 170 pretty beat
2 X Talons both 174 One New One Beat
1 Z Crush 174
1 Z Wildcat 169
4 Z Wasps 2 177 2 175
1 D Wasp 178
3 First Run Z BUZZZs 178
2 Cam Todd Challegers 174 slightly beat for drives and approachs 1 170-172 for Putting.
1 174 Pro D challenger for upshots and long jump putts
1 172-174 Crystal Clear Z Challengers for Drives and upshots
1 174 Regular Z Challegenger for Drives and Upshots

CE FX - forehands, skip shots
CE Glo Eagle - Rollers, big hyzers, head wind
2nd Run CE Leopard (Stable run) - hyzer drives, rollers
New 4X JK Valk - distance, straight and controlled drives
Beat in 4X JK Valk - anhyzer drives, forehand rollers
Elite X Wasp - S Curves, headwind, midrange spike hyzers
New 10 X roc - hyzer midrange
Ching Roc - Striaght midrange
Old 10X Roc - anhyzer midrange
DX Roc - short anhyzer midrange
Champion Shark - head wind approaches, anyhzer forehands
11X Avair - Approach, jump putts
Small Bead Avair - anyhzer approach
Avair P&A - putter

3-Aviars (Pro Line, Glo)
2-Wasps (Pro, X, )
1-Z-Buzzz
1-Z-Breeze
7-Teebirds (CE/SE-TL's, 11x's, Pro line)
3-Z-Crush (170,172,174)
3-PL-Monsters (172's,174)
2-Z-Reapers (166, 168)
2-Z-Wildcats (172, 174)
2-CH-Orcs (172,174)
2-CH-Vikings (175's)
1-DX Beast (Turnovers)

PT #20431





WOW :eek: :eek: :eek:
That is a lot of PLASTIC ;)

1 aviar
1 ce ryhno
1 dx glo roc(beat)
1 04 glo roc
1 ce classic roc
1 Champ. viking
1 dx eagle (beat)
1 ce 2nd run EL
1 Champ. firebird

;)

lets see..... whats in my bag today....

2 Orcs (175) - main driver (max D)
2 Vikings (175) - main driver (accuracy)
1 CFR Arch Angel (175) - straight low ceiling shots.
1 monster (172) - what else, windy situations
1 Chmp Beast (161) - long anhyzer shots.
1 Firebird (167) - over the head; thumbers and hammers

1 KC Roc (178) - straight line shots
1 Z-wasp (178) - hyzer bombs and straight to hyzer out shots
1 Chmp Panther (175) - anhyzer shots
1 Chmp Whippet (175) - tricky shots around trees
1 BEAT dx Python (176) - rollers

2 Chmp Rhynos (172) - anything inside 150 ft.
2 Omega's 1 ss & 1 Q (175) - putting.

let me say that these discs are not all in my bag during a tournament, I bring them along, and then according to the wind/field condtitions I take some out... :D

usually in the bag....

2-11x Teebird
1 "Pro" Teebird
2-Champ Beast
2-Champ Orc
2- CE Firebird
1- JK Valk
2- CE Rocs (02, 04)
1- CE Spider
1- Aviar P&A
1 Omega SS 1.8

Wizards
Aviar Putter (beat up)
Rocs
Teebirds
Orc (still unsure about this disc)
Z-Talon
CE FX

Swirl
Challenger
Storms
Z-Wasp
Crushes
Z-Talon
Z-Predator

oh yeah, have to add a Z Talon

INSIDE MY TE TEAM REVOLUTION BAG:

6 CE Firebirds FX New to Beat in.
3 CE Eagles New to Beat in.
2 CE Teebird T Beat in.
2 CE Teebird TL Beat in.
2 CE Valkyrie Beat in.
1 CE Glo Roc New
1 CE 04 Roc New
1 CE Spider
1 CH Cobra
2 9X Roc Beat in.
2 Soft Rhynos Beat in.
2 9X Aviars Beat in.

Lately at most I have only 10 to 12 discs in my bag. I pick what I need from the list above based on the weather and course.

Oh, DG... BTW, the CE Teebird had a great time on ebay...$80.00!

Erick

I saw that. Makes me wonder if I should put up a few of the dozen I have in stock of the same plastic. I only wanted it cause of the cool dye job. But good job there.

CE FX, X Talon, 2 Clr. Z and 1 UV Wildcat, 2 X Wasps, X Buzzz, X Challenger (1st), Q Omega (1st), 2 Classic Aviars (putting only) and a SUPER PUPPY!!!!

I didn't realize how many I carried until I read my post.

I removed the excess and kept what's necessary:

3-Aviars (2-PL-168 & 172 putting/approach, Glo-172 LR-approach)
2-Wasps (DX-172 straight/turnover, X-174 hyzer)
1-Z-Buzzz (172) � (All-Purpose)
1-Z-Breeze (168) � (MR-anhyzer)
5-Teebirds (3-CE hyzer/flex, 1-SE straight/roller, 1-11x Flex)
2-Z-Crush (172 & 174) � (LR straight/hyzer, sidearm)
2-PL-Monsters (172's) � (New/Beat up sidearm, Wind discs)
2-Z-Reapers (166 & 168) � (too windy for Crush)
1-X-Predator (174) � (MR/LR hyzer)
1-Z-Wildcat (172) - (LR-Anhyzer/straight)
1-CH-Orc (174) � (LR-flex, hyzer)
1-CH-Viking (175) � (LR-Straight)
1-DX Beast (170) - (LR-Turnover)

22 - Discs (pulled out 7)

PT Woods
# 20431

I carry:
1- Z-Xtreme
1- Z-Predator
4- Z-Talons of varying beatness
1- X talon to roll
2- Z-XLs
2- Z Wasps
1- X-Wasp
2- X comets
2- UV challengers
1- Rattler

For a total of 17 discs.

Erik,

Is that Talon pretty beat up for rolling or do you throw a forearm roller?

PT

Lets see whats in my revolution te bag..... [list]
Starfire JLS 2 barry beasts dx teebird (tomahawks) CE firebird CE teebird Z-X2 CE valk 2 dx rocs CE spider Z-wasp X-buzzz Champ Roc 04 3x aviar x glow aviar

PT:
It's semi beat. I throw a "snap" roller. Which is to say, I get it down and rolling pretty close to me without a lot of hangtime between release and contact. I like the stability of the talon, because it doesn't want to roll onto its top as quickly as a beat disc. The X-plastic is super fast, too. Faster than the Z IMHO. For forehand rollers I use the Z-Xtreme. It NEVER flips onto its top, and holds a straight line for a surprisingly long time. It's worth a try, and I hear that they're making another run of Z-Xtremes. Oh, joy! :D

Lets see whats in my revolution te bag..... [list]
Starfire JLS 2 barry beasts dx teebird (tomahawks) CE firebird CE teebird Z-X2 CE valk 2 dx rocs CE spider Z-wasp X-buzzz Champ Roc 04 3x aviar x glow aviar



What, no Gateway? They have very good molds, and better plastic than any other competitor.

right now...

a Barry Beast
a 175 C Orc.
a 175 TL
a Red Champion Leopard
a Champion Viking 173
a 2002 CE Roc
a new Super Roc 177
an 11x Roc 180
a Champion Stingray 177
a Champion Aero 175
a Pro Aviar (SE)
a new Omega AP (SE)

I lightened my bag a BUNCH.

I will remove the Beast, Viking, TL, and a Roc if I want to get lighter. I don't really want to get heavier... It's very eyeopening.... takes out all the bad decisions.

At the moment:
2 Champion Beasts 169 + 175
Champion Viking 175
Champion Orc 172
Champion Teebird 175
Champion Starfire 174
Z Wildcat 174
D-1 Prostyle 172
New Pro Line Teebird 173
Pegasus 173
CE Valkyrie 170
2 DX Firebirds 166 + 170
10x KC Banshee
New Super Roc 174
X Putt'r 174
Z Putt'r 170
New Pro Line Aviar 175(yet to throw)

Thinkin about lightening up cause some of these go pretty much unused.

I usually play a round and decide if a disc should stay. If I don't think about using it in a round or 2, it's out of my memory, and will only cause me trouble (I haven't thrown this one in a while... I hope it works [negative thoughts] and usually it doesn't perform to expectations so I should throw a trusted disc.)

that's why I started paring the bag down. it's lowered my scores.

That and I got tired of the big quad shocks setup. I like a little shoulder slinger these days.

3rd generation viper 180g
metalhead viper 179g
2-se teebirds 175g
8x kc banshee 171g
2 9x kc eagles 172g-175g
2 old mold whippets 174g
4 sm rocs-all pre-93's
9x kc roc 174g
9x kc aviar 175g
small bead aviar grid 175g
peach aviar beadless 173g
kittyhawk putter 174g

Few recent changes in my bag, now it includes;
174g taco'd DX Beast
174g 1st run Viking
174g 2nd run Viking
175g Orc
174g Starfire (thumbers only)
174g 1st run Crush
174g old school DX Whippet
174g new Super Roc
168g original Roc
174g Beadless Aviar
168g Blow Fly I

when i carry a bag it currently will have
a glo roc, 2 first run z-wasps, 10x teebird, CE teebird, pro firbird, ce leopard, 2 AP's, 1 supersoft, and 1 proto jk aviar. if i'm playing a course i know i only need a few discs for i'll carry one of the AP's, a wasp, teebird, and firebird. Now thats carrying light. :D

4 ea factory 2nd TL'S
2 ea zd 2003 roc's
1 ea champ. firebird fx
1 ea candy aviar putter
all below 170 grams

new, bigger bag
4 aviar-x
1 z-wasp
2 z-buzzz
4 teebirds
3 dx beasts
2 h speed demons

in my timberland bookbag-
teebird 167g
KC Roc- 177g
Hawk-167g
Leopard-164g
Soft Magnet- 169g
No.2 Putter- 177g
Stingray- 164g
CE Orc- 167g(currently on my bookcase from my first ace with it)
Cyclone-172g
Cyclone- 167g
Rag
Scoresheets
Pencil
Digital voice recorder- mainly for the time
water 0r gatorade

2- 4x JK valkyries 165 grams bar stamp

2 Champion Edition Firebird FX's 165 grams

2- Marino rocs

1- old cobra I've had since 95

1 bottom stamped aviar

I'm really experimenting with alot of stuff right now. My bag is as follows...

169 Z XL
171 Z Wildcat
173 X Talon
178 X Wasp
177 P Wasp
177 D Wasp
174 X Challenger
176 D Magnet
179 DX Roc
174 DX Aviar P&A

I know I like these drivers the best, but its the mids and putters I'm not sure about. I would like to get an 86 softie, casue they are super sweet.

171 champ firebird
170 champ orc
166 champ beast
163 champ beast
170 champ valk
171 champ eagle
170 z cyclone
166 CFR tl
179 dx roc
177 dx roc
174 champ rhyno
174 kc pro aviar
175 jk aviar
3 ce fools fest mini's
a huge rip next to the putter pocket
and hot glue residue from my patch up work on the rip til my new revolution team bag comes

a huge rip next to the putter pocket
and hot glue residue from my patch up work on the rip til my new revolution team bag comes



I think your whole bag is gonna give in soon! At least the Revolution is on its way.

Anyways, here's mine (I'm shrinking the number of molds I throw but have not quite reached as few as I want):

3 Champion Orcs - 174 (fading hyzers or steep depending on release-also better for wind), 168 (straight and long, also flexes or slow gradual hyzers) and 160 (tailwind, big anhyzers with left finish)

3 Teebirds (looking for more!): 175 CE TL (hyzers, straight shots not as long as Orc shots), 167 11X (same as 168 Orc but shorter, a little more understable as well), 168 CE TL (hyzer release to flatten out and finish left, nice and straight shots, anhyzers too)

169 Champ Barry Schulz Beast - I used to use this for big field shots, but I never use it anymore, so I'm looking to trade it if anyone wants

170 Quantum JLS 1.2 - this is my main anhyzer (rhbh) disc, used on almost any hole requiring a right bend

169 SE Valk - roller, it's the only adequate one I have right now and can be used for almost any roller shot. I'm thinking about factoring my 11X slightly to roll though, is that legal?

2 175 10X Gazelles - one beat for anhyzers or hyzer releases that have to flatten out, one new for straight and low cieling shots with predictable left fade. Also can be used for hyzers.

166 Champ 11X Cheetah - tomahawks and tomahawks only, it lets me vary the release angle for the desired overhand line

4 Rocs - 2 179 DX - one beat for anhyzers, one new for straight low shots with little fade, 1 180 KC for s-curves, 180 '04 Champ for dead straight or hyzer shots

2 Spiders - 175 Champion Dyed - low ceiling anything, 175 Pro Line - used this for a round or two while I had thought I lost the Champ. Don't use that anymore and am willing to trade both if anyone wants.

2 Aviars - 175 3X JK for straight to hyzer approaches that are in between the distances for Rhynos and Rocs; also use this disc for long go-fors (60, 70, 80 feet), 175 Champion Dyed - medium range anhyzer approaches, also thrown off the tee with hyzer angle to flex out on shorter holes

3 Rhynos - 172 Pro Soft for putting or some approaching, 172 Champion for most short approaches, especially straight, left or s-curve, 175 DX - mostly used for practice putting for repitition, good for short anhyzers with less fade than Champion

Holy moly thats alot of discs. Ya know, you could buy a decent set of BALL golf clubs for the price of all those discs!

I just took out my lone ROC and traded it straight across for a Swirl APX. The APX is the most amazing putter I've ever thrown. It pushed the Wizard out of my bag for sure! And I thought the Wizard was the end all be all putter! I'm suprised I don't see more people using the swirt APX!!


shhhh don't tell anyone about the swirl APX...it would be way too much competition. :cool:

Holy moly thats alot of discs. Ya know, you could buy a decent set of BALL golf clubs for the price of all those discs!

I just took out my lone ROC and traded it straight across for a Swirl APX. The APX is the most amazing putter I've ever thrown. It pushed the Wizard out of my bag for sure! And I thought the Wizard was the end all be all putter! I'm suprised I don't see more people using the swirt APX!!


shhhh don't tell anyone about the swirl APX...it would be way too much competition. :cool:



Who would ever want a filthy set of ball golf clubs??? :) :p :)

i'm trying to downsize, but this is my current bag, other than water discs that i might add for certain courses:

3 champion orcs (174, 168, 160)
2 11x teebirds (174, 169)
1 champion beast (174)
2 champion valkyries (174, 166)
1 champion leopard (170)
1 pro-line monster (175)
1 champion firebird (175)
1 pro-line gremlin (175)
2 z-buzzz (177, 174)
1 photon glo wasp (171)
1 cryZtal challenger (172)
1 Z puttr (172)
1 se soft rhyno

Well, after taking a lot of advice from these boards...I've got my "bag" down to this:

173g Z-Buzzz - My ace disc...it has the taste of metal in it now...I've hit the pole 4 times since my ace...

172g Breeze - When you know exactly where a disc is going to land before you throw it...nice feeling. Love watching that slow right turn...

138g Blaze - More just messing around with this disc now...I absolutely love it for overhands, and hard left turn shots.

Whatever my putter of the week is...usually a 120g Wizard, or 174g Pro Challenger...every once in a while, I bring my Aerobie Arrow (I'm the only person apparently who likes the disc...will accept donations of your unloved ones :D ).

And in the rare instance I use a driver (actually haven't thrown one yet this year in a round...not because I have great distance, just working on mid-ranges) I use my beloved 173g X.S.

So far this year I have been sticking to a minimalist philosophy of carrying a few molds that serve a multitude of functions across different conditions. So far these few discs have been all I've needed in sun, rain, wind, and snow.

2-173g medium-stiffness wizards (this is a super-stable putter that doubles as a short midrange from about 250' and in. I have two basically for practicing my missed shots)

1-173g (although marked 174g) champion panther (fast, understable, medium to long midrange. I use it for medium range anhyzers as well as shorter, trick shots out of the rough as it will hold a TIGHT anhyzer to the ground)

1-176g X-Wasp (Fast, overstable at low speeds, stable at high speeds, long-range midrange. This is my go to midrange out in the open for straight and hyzer lines)

1-176g (although marked 175) Z-Buzz (Very fast, stable, long-range midrange. I'm not sure this disc is different enough from the X-Wasp to justify itself, but I like to keep the wasp overstable so this is my go to midrange in the trees. At the same weight it does not hurt my consistency with the wasp too much. It does not fly quite as far as the wasp, but is better for shots in the 250'-285' range that I want to finish straight. It is also better for anhyzer shots and I defininely prefer it as a forehand midrange. Basically it is like a broken in X-Wasp.)

3-173g (although marked 172g) Orcs (Moderately overstable distance driver. I use this disc off the tee as often as possible for relatively open shots that play 330' and beyond, or shorter hyzer all-the-way shots. I also like it for big, over-the-top hyzers that I'm not powerful enough to use a more overstable disc for. For me, 173g is a great all around weight. I have three basically for practice, although one is markedly more overstable than the others and is better in situations where extra overstability is useful.

1-173g (marked 172) Viking. (Stable, control/distance driver. I use this disc for fairways that are too tight for my Orc because I can really control the amount of high speed turn I get varying from very a very gradual with almost no fade to a full distance anhyzer)

1-173g (marked 171) CFR Glow Banshee (Fast and overstable distance driver. This is a great all around overstable driver for backhand, fore hand, and especially thumbers. It is a great disc for a windy day as it has great resistance to high speed turn while not finishing nearly as left as other overstable drivers. I use this one primarily for backhand and sky thumbers over trees.)

1-174g (marked 170g!) Champion Banshee (This disc is quite a bit more overstable than my cfr banshee and is my main thumber disc as well as my go to disc on days where the wind is just absurd. It is also a good forehand roller)

175 H Speed Demon
175 E Spirit
170 E Spirit
173 S Spirit
175 S Blaze
170 H Blaze
176 S Sabre
170 Demon
175 Scout
2-175 S Wizard
170 E Wizard

157 Speed Demon
173 F'Bird Pro
171 X Pred :cool:
171 T'Bird 11x
161 T'Bird 11x :cool:
174 T'Bird Pro
170 T'Bird SE
168 T'Bird SE (roller)
164 Q-JLS
164 Beast Champ
173 Z Crush
180 Roc DX, 2
178 X Wasp
180 Shark Champ
173 Demon G5i, 2 :cool:
176 Spider CE
175 Rhyno SE :cool:
175 Aviar, 3 :p

2 DX Classic Rocs (beat,new)
1 DX Rhyno
1 X Wasp
1 DX Wasp
1 JB Signature Series Stratus
1 MrX
1 X Storm
1 X Xpress
2 X XS' (beat,new)
1 X Talon

The bag is a Pdga Bag w/quad shocks
2 crush
2 Z-talon
1 X-talon(for when there is les wind)
1 Z-wildcat
1 X-wildcat
2 Z-predator (twins)
1 Z-extreme
1 X-storm(really beat up)
1 Z-wasp
1 Z-buzz
1 Z-breeze
1 cryZtal challenger
1 UV challenger
1 X-challenger
1 D-challenger

I also carry a PDGA bag w/ Quad Shocks, but I'm not a walking Discraft sales rep, like some others. :D

1 KC Pro Banshee (170g)
1 Z-Predator (169g)
1 Pro Line Monster (175g)
1 Champion Orc (174g)
1 Champion Beast (175g)
1 Champion Viking (175g)
1 JK Pro Valkyrie (175g)
2 CE Valkyries (175g and 168g)
1 Z-Xpress (172g)
1 DX Valkyrie (170g)
1 Champion Cobra (176g)
1 DX Roc (173g)
2 Omega SS Putters (both 175g)

Here's what's in my bag (Revolution T.T.)

3 11x teebrids (all shots under 400)
Champ Leopard (320-250 turn over shots)
2 pro monsters (all sidearm shots, and hard turns/skips)
Z wasp (shots 250-330)
Pro-D wasp (flat roc) (turn over shots 270-200)
Pro spider (300-220)
C.E. first run spider (strait shots)
2 starfires (all distance shot 375-???)
Z wildcat (roller and long turn over)
Champ Aviar (220-50)
DX Aviar (Scottie's Italian Eatery) (220-40 turn over)
2 APX swirls (putters only)

Notice that there is only one of the new Champion discs in my bag.

I have some gateway bag with shoulder straps (not quad shocks, but the other kind that aren't as good, I can't think of what they are called and i'm at work)

Most everything I throw is max or close to it.

Champion
Aviar
Shark
Beast
Valk.
Firebird

Z
Pred.
Talon
Wildcat
Wildcat (165) for turnovers
Buzzz

DX
Spider (putts)
Rhyno

Aviar (P&amp;A)

Gateway
G6i
G5i
(demons)

CE
Leopard
TeeBird (T)

These change from round to round and course to course.

I recently lightened up my bag. It now contains only what i need to throw:
2 Champion Orcs
2 Champion Beasts
CE Valkyrie
Champion Teebird
Pro Line Teebird
DX Teebird
D-1 Prostyle
Champion Viking (still gettin the kinks out)
Champion Whippet X
11x KC Banshee
4x JK Valkyrie
Elite XS
Champion CL Roc
Super Roc (starting to like this one a lot)
Z Buzzz
Pro Line Aviar (trying to break it in)
Z Putt'r
X Putt'r
CryZtal Challenger (haven't thrown this one yet)

wow. I shutter to think of how many you have when you carry everything that you want. lol

I recently lightened up my bag. It now contains only what i need to throw:
2 Champion Orcs
2 Champion Beasts
CE Valkyrie
Champion Teebird
Pro Line Teebird
DX Teebird
D-1 Prostyle
Champion Viking (still gettin the kinks out)
Champion Whippet X
11x KC Banshee
4x JK Valkyrie
Elite XS
Champion CL Roc
Super Roc (starting to like this one a lot)
Z Buzzz
Pro Line Aviar (trying to break it in)
Z Putt'r
X Putt'r
CryZtal Challenger (haven't thrown this one yet)



holy crap

I just picked up a clearish white first run Crush and its great! This is my first crush and I think the Crush is the best of the new drivers!

171 Z cat
172 X cat
173 Z Crush (1st run)
171 Z XL
175 Z MRV
178 X Wasp (black)
175 D Wasp
177 Photon Wasp
172ish Swirl APX


I also have a dyed 2nd run CE TeeBird that I found.

Here is what is in my bag right now:

170g Champion Aviar
170g Champion Rhyno
171g KC Pro Roc
170g Champion Stingray
174g Driver #2 (floater)
169g Champion Viking
169g Champion Valkyrie
170g Champion ArchAngel
170g Champion TeeBird
175g Champion Monster
158g Champion Orc
171g Champion Orc

Dang man you've got more candy than See's!

It's mostly a feel thing for me. Plus they last longer.

I am not a discraft sales rep(not that i'd mind)I just throw what I like.
:D

3 CFR TL's (162, 171, 172) - Main Driver
1 Champ Orc (170) - Max D
1 DX Beast (174) - Headwind/Downhill Driver
1 DX Firebird (169) - Headwind Driver
1 Champ Monster (172) - Hyzer/Skip/Sidearm
1 DX Valk (168) - Long Turnover
1 CE '04 Roc (174) - Straight Midrange
1 DX Roc (172) - Turnover Midrange/Scoober
1 Soft Wizard (175) - Putter/Approach/Scoober
1 Chief (175) - Approach

Honorable Mentions/Also-Rans:
2 Champ Beasts (161, 170) - Max D
4 CFR TL X-Outs (160-162) - Practice/Water shots
3 Sabres (170-Max) - Fairway Driver
1 KC11X Roc (180) - Mid
1 SE Pro Worlds Roc (180) - Mid
1 Omega SS - Putter
1 SE Aviar - Approach
1 Pro Rhyno - Wind Putter

Innova

Wall City Bag

Champion Whippet---Psycho Hyzers
Champion Firebird---Wind
Eagle---Mid to long Hyzer
Viking--------Main Driver---PREDICTABLE
Beast---Distance
Orc---Distance with wind
7x Gazelle --- Beat roller/Turnover
2 Aviars---------Stable to understable for short drives/approach
Spider--Short to mid hyzer
Aviar x - putter
BUZZZ---experimenting

Beer-----Bad round :D

BAG?

you know...the empty 12 pack you put your discs in!

1 Champion Banshee
2 Champion Orcs
3 Champion Teebirds
1 QJLS
1 SE Valk
4 Rocs (2DX, 1 Pro, 1 CE)
2 Aviars
3 Rhynos


EDIT: forgot to mention: 100 posts!

2 Blazes (S, E)
1 Sabre (S)
1 Spirit (E)
2 Demons (S)
2 Wizards (S, H)

This stuff just works for me!!

1 CE FL Firebird 170
1 CE TBird 175
2 CE Eagles 171 173
1 Champ Viking 175
2 Z Crush 175
1 03 Champ Roc 179
1 10x Roc 180
1 z Buzz 179
1 CE Lepord 174
1 Epic
1 Big Bird Roc 179
1 Champ Aviar 174
1 Old Ron Russel Comet 176
1 X Comet 180
2 D Challengers 174

as of now:
CE FL (173,175)
1st run CE Valk (2 @ 170, 174, 166)
CE F (2 @166)
Champ F (3 @174, 2@ 175, 170, 2@ 172)
Champ Valk (2 @174, 172, 166,)
10x Roc (180)
04 CE Roc (177)
Champ Beast (166)
DX Aviar (4@ 175)
CE Rhyno (170)
CE Aviar (169)
DGA Squall (177+)
11x Roc (178)
Gateway Spirit (176)

soon to be in my bag: cecadas

DRIVERS
Z-Wildcat, 172, Big hyzers & forehand
QJLS, 175, control hyzer
10X Cheetah, 173, shorter control hyzer
JLS, 175, thumber
Z-X-press, 172, turnover to sharp hyzer
Champ Stingray, 175, dead straight
DX Valk, 175, Big S-curve
Beat 10X Firebird, 170, long anhyzer
APPROACH
XD, 175, severe anhyzer
Classic Roc, 175, dead straight/anhyzer
Ching Stinger, 174, straight to turnover
DX Spider, 175, mid flat to hyzer
Ching Roc, 175, longer flat to hyzer
Pro Spider, 174, mid hyzer
Z-Wasp, 169, longer hyzer
Aviar P/A, 175, putt

2 aviar-x

2 z-buzzz
1 z-wasp

4 teebirds
2 dx beasts
2 h speed demons

Drivers-
175 Champion Monster for darts/long hyzers
175 DX Banshee for flat hyzers
170 CE Firebird for distance
174 Champion Orc for distance
175 Champion Starfire for distance
171 CE Valkyrie for distance anhyzer

Mid-Range-
177 KC Roc as overstable/distance mid-range
178 KC Roc as straight/finesse mid-range
177 Glo Roc as anhyzer/finesse short range

Putter-
170 Wizard as the disc I practice my rollers on while walking between holes. Oh and for finishing my deuces of course


Don't see the need for anything more other than experimenting

Drivers-
175 Champion Monster for darts/long hyzers
175 DX Banshee for flat hyzers
170 CE Firebird for distance
174 Champion Orc for distance
175 Champion Starfire for distance
171 CE Valkyrie for distance anhyzer

Mid-Range-
177 KC Roc as overstable/distance mid-range
178 KC Roc as straight/finesse mid-range
177 Glo Roc as anhyzer/finesse short range

Putter-
170 Wizard as the disc I practice my rollers on while walking between holes. Oh and for finishing my deuces of course


Don't see the need for anything more other than experimenting



Wizards are awesome!
I keep 4 in the bag:
176 E Wizard - Distance Drives, Hyzer Putts
171 G9i - Approaches
171 G9i - Broken in for Turnovers
176 Soft Wizard - Tacky, yet not too floppy (Soft Magnets...) Normal Putting

well I usually have 5 or 6 putters, for practice, but when I am actually out there they are in the car...

Putter/Approach: Omega ss(175) and KC Aviar(175)
Mid: Z-wasp(178) and Champ Panther(175)
Long: Orc(175), Viking(175), Monster (172)
Tricks: a light Champ Firebird (167) and a light Champ Beast (161)

thats it... well I usually chuck in a backup Orc and Aviar... those are my money discs... :D

I agree, I love the Wizard. It has taken a few strokes off my game and you'll never hear someone complain about that. I have four I practice putting with at home, but only bring one out to the course.

Is it true the Wizard is the same thing as an Aviar?

Is it true the Wizard is the same thing as an Aviar?



It is VERY similar but no it isn't the exact same. The bead is very slightly different but the biggest difference is that the flight plate is thinner. That is what I love about the Wizard.

I agree about the flight plate, you can really feel your fingers through it. I think this helps with a consistent, smooth release. Its probably just personal preference though /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It does make it go further.

I think it has more mass towards the rim which makes it fly straighted as well as hit the chains solidly to prevent bounce outs. One thing I noticed when I was putting with my Swirl APX is that I would get way more bounce outs with it than with my hard wizard!! I think its because when the APX hits the chains, it doesn't have enough force to always bend the chains enough to catch it. The Wizard has so much mass on the rim that it crashes the chains and always sticks. I've putted with a Wizard for about a year and I've only had ONE bounce out with it!!

I'm thinking the QJLS will soon be replaced by DX Valkyries for turnover shots. It's gone surprisingly overstable recently. Other than that, the signature tells my bag's story. I just ordered a crimson red Revolution Team bag as well, so that is "what my bag is" in two or three days.

All of these are looking for a new bag to rest in:

174-Champion Rhyno
171-KC Pro Roc
149-Champion Valkyrie
175-Champion Orc
169-Champion Orc
175-Champion Monster
167-Champion Teebird
168-Champion Viking
176-Z Buzz
173-Z XL
168-Z Crush
173-#1 Helix

Joel

Got to go revolution on the bag. I'll recommend the Team bag, mines a texas edition, well once it gets here. FYI it takes about a week and a half to special order the bag if he doesn't have it in stock, but it should be well worth the wait. I've nvr heard a complaint, and im sure my rust te team bag will also be flawless.

Soft Wizard
Medium Wizard
Beat up Aviar (P and A)
X-Wasp (SUPER WASP!)
11x Roc (new)
DX Roc (slightly seasoned)
DX Roc (seasoned)
X-Wildcat (roller)
1st run TL (beat up for anhyzers)
CFR GLO TL (perfect disc)
Orc (goes far on a hyzer line, also throwing it for some rollers)
Z-Talon
CE FX (going to the Z-Pred when this one dies or gets lost)
Z-Xtreme

All max weight.

All of these are looking for a new bag to rest in:

174-Champion Rhyno
171-KC Pro Roc
149-Champion Valkyrie
175-Champion Orc
169-Champion Orc
175-Champion Monster
167-Champion Teebird
168-Champion Viking
176-Z Buzz
173-Z XL
168-Z Crush
173-#1 Helix

Joel



I'll take the Roc & Monster :)

All of these are looking for a new bag to rest in:

174-Champion Rhyno
171-KC Pro Roc
149-Champion Valkyrie
175-Champion Orc
169-Champion Orc
175-Champion Monster
167-Champion Teebird
168-Champion Viking
176-Z Buzz
173-Z XL
168-Z Crush
173-#1 Helix

Joel



I'll take the Roc & Monster :)


It looks like they would feel right at home in a Revolution bag :D

My Revolution bag is on order but as soon as it comes the following will be resting nicely in it:

174 Champion Orc: when theres wind or I want a very gradual hyzer
169 Champion Orc: the workhorse driver
166 Champion Orc: maximum D
175 CFR TL: driver when theres wind and i need it to stay straight, main forehand driver
168 CFR TL: the workhorse driver
164 CFR TL: Straight distance with a tailwind, very long turnover shots
170 Champion Firebird: Forehand hyzers, Tomahawks, mostly a specialty disc.
165 Champion Firebird: hyzer shots, S-curves, when I need a disc to come left but still give me awsome D
170 Dx Eagle: Rollers until I pick up a pro teebird and beat it
178 Z-Wasp:forehand midrange, backhand hyzers
178 Z-buzzz: backhand midrange, pefectly straight, or turnovers
175 KC Aviar: Drives or Approaches under 250'
175 Champion Rhyno: Forehand Approaches or backhand in the wind.
175 JK-X :main putter
175 Soft Rhyno: wind putter
150 JK-X: when there's no wind, low ceiling putts.

In Gateway player bag
2 175 firm wizards- 1 new for straight or hyzer up to 320, 1
beat for turnovers and short rollers. Possibly the best disc
on the market
2 175 demons- 1 new for hard hyzers up to 340, 1 semi beat
for gradual hyzers up to 360
3 175 dx teebirds- 1 new for long control straight to left, 1
semi beat for dead straight drives with no fade, 1 beat to
hell for reverse s curves or rollers
1 173 Orc- never thought I could throw 500' on a straight line.
Now I can. Will definitely get some more of these
2 172 E-S blend spirits- not quite as overstable as the speed
demon, but longer with a more predictable skip, will still
hyzer hard in any wind
1 175 proto wizard- all putts
All discs are thrown forehand and backhand.
Also, am anxiously awaiting new straight midrange from Gateway to replace the rocs and buzzes that I have taken out of my bag. They just never felt right in my hand.

2 firebirds
2 T-birds
4 rocs
3 aviars
no more. no less.

2 Wizards
2 Demons
2 Blazes

:p :p :p :p :p

I travel light :D

2 firebirds
2 T-birds
4 rocs
3 aviars
no more. no less.



Great bag setup!

2 Banshee's ,one beat, one new
1 11x Kc Cheetah
1 C.E. Eagle
1 Z-Xpress
1 Z-Wildcat
1 Champ Shark
1 Champ Monster
3 Rocs, 2 dx, 1 Ontario
1 Aviar P&A

3 Champ Beasts (172, 165, 161)
3 CE Firebirds (175, 170, 160)
3 11x Teebirds (172, 166, 163)
1 Z Talon (172)
1 Champ Valk (150)
1 DX Leopard (170)
1 02 CE Roc (170)
1 CE Spider (170)
1 Z Wasp (175)
1 Omega SS (169)
2 DX Aviar P&A (175)

1 Steady Ed Mini
In a Red Gateway Backpack

All of these are looking for a new bag to rest in:

174-Champion Rhyno
171-KC Pro Roc
149-Champion Valkyrie
175-Champion Orc
169-Champion Orc
175-Champion Monster
167-Champion Teebird
168-Champion Viking
176-Z Buzz
173-Z XL
168-Z Crush
173-#1 Helix

Joel



I'll take the Roc & Monster :)


It looks like they would feel right at home in a Revolution bag :D



Funny enough, I actually ordered a Revolution club bag today. Couldn't quite go for the team bag (a bit pricy for me) but I did also order a Quadshock strap, so it should be pretty nice!

Joel

In my TE Revolution bag in order from most overstable to least I have:

Z-Predator
CE-Fx Firebird (beat)
3 Orcs - (175g(headwind), 166g(downwind), 162g(annie that comes back))
Z-XS (mine is overstable for semi overstable for some reason)
New Style Pro Plastic Teebird
Semi beat 10x Teebird
Severly beat 9x Teebird

Z-Wasp
Super Roc
Dx Roc
Champion Cobra

Wizard
Beat P&A Aviar

All of these are looking for a new bag to rest in:

174-Champion Rhyno
171-KC Pro Roc
149-Champion Valkyrie
175-Champion Orc
169-Champion Orc
175-Champion Monster
167-Champion Teebird
168-Champion Viking
176-Z Buzz
173-Z XL
168-Z Crush
173-#1 Helix

Joel



I'll take the Roc & Monster :)


It looks like they would feel right at home in a Revolution bag :D



Funny enough, I actually ordered a Revolution club bag today. Couldn't quite go for the team bag (a bit pricy for me) but I did also order a Quadshock strap, so it should be pretty nice!

Joel


You will like the Quadshock. Helps distribute the weight.

173g c.1988 McClure Open Aviar-putter with 16 years of
family history...

173 Ace Race Breeze - my long(60 ft &amp; in) putter ONLY
180 Roc- don't leave home without it
175 Z Buzzz---nuff said
173 Aviar...old school-1990 or so and it has some MOJO,baby!
176 Champion Shark---the Badfish...

168 Z Cyclone---the Pole sitter...don't ask
170 Z Cyclone- it keeps going, and going, and ...
172 Reaper-- gotta get yer name from somewhere...
172 QJLS - first 400' BH was with this one
172 QJLS - it always has my back
173 JK Valkyrie- this puppy went 350 thumb-style and parked
@ Lions P.in Norman,OK recently, almost crapped myself
but pretended it was on purpose so I looked like a
freekin' prodigy
172 Crush-also for tommys and thumbers
172 First run Crush---I think the man upstairs said...
"and let there be some "D" on this boy's throw"...
and it was ALL good in the hood ever since

170 XS (beat to heck) first New plastic I ever bought(hand
me downs are cool, but get old fast cuz they are
already)
172 Z Xpress- "...right turn,Clyde!"
173 old mold cyclone for rollin' em long and DEEP!!

a mini from Sipapu DG RESORT! yes you heard right...itza
RESORT!!!!

all snug inna Discraft Elite pro bag courtesy of
Everything DG dot com...they rock,yo!

^That's a pretty hefty load to carry around!

I think I've got my bag to exactly what I want and need. I've got something for every shot but carry very few molds and only 15 discs. It's an awesome set up and my Team bag is light now. Just click the link in my signature to see what I carry.

P.S. Is that little page I threw together cool?

Just started a couple of weeks ago:

172g DX Cheeta
164-166g Elite-X XL
175g "Iowa Worlds" Roc
166g DX Gremlin
175g Classic Aviar

175 CE teebird T
174 CE teebird TL
170 CE firebird
175 CE leopard
170 CE valk - roller
3 180 10x rocs
1 180 9x roc
1 179 rainbow roc
175 zonedriven CE aviar
175 proto JK aviar

Somebody loves his CE plastic!!!!!

174 DX ROC
174 DX Aviar

:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

cool, someone else is using proto JK's.

love'm... great plastic. just hard to find now. know where to find some?

i'm not sure where to get any but you might wanna post something on the traders row thread. next time i talk to my friend ed burde i'll see if he has any more left and if he does i'm gonna get them all. i'll let you know if i have some to spare.

cool, someone else is using proto JK's.



This year's proto JK's ?

175- Predator
173- Z Wildcat
171- First Run Crush
169- Z X2
169- Pro- Line Tee Bird
162- JLS
165- Z XS
175- Z Buzzz
175- Z Wasp
169- Breeze
and a photosun putter

3 mini's, 2 pencils, lucky rabbit's foot, and towel!

:D

Okay, I am gonna lighten the bag for the weekend. I am tired of carrying 6 drivers. That is way too many.

Z-Pred
glow TL
x-wildcat (rollers)
3 Rocs
2 Wizards
Beat to crap Aviar P & A

175 CE Eagle
172 CE Eagle
168 CE Eagle
174 Z X2
172 Z XS
173 Z Express
173 Glo Roc
175 CE Spider
155 CE Leopard
168 Blaze
162 Blaze
173 Chief

Towel
Flying Eye Mini
Pencils
Waterbottle
Baseball-for knocking 'em out of trees
Bottle opener
Sharipie