Well I am on injured reserve now but my last bag setup was:

CE Firebird 172 FX
CE Firebird 174 FX
CE Teebird 172 T
10X/CE Teebird 174G T
2 Pro Starfires 174G
Champion Starfire-L 174G
10X Roc 180
10X Roc 179
11X Roc 180
2 BB Aviars 174G
2 P&A Aviars 175G

Depends on the course and weather on how many I need in the bag at once.

1 Aviar
1 Pumpkin
1 Grapefruit
2 Bananas

and a Slice of Pizza !!!!!!! I'm good !!!!! :D

What's the putter for?

Well I am on injured reserve now but my last bag setup was:

CE Firebird 172 FX
CE Firebird 174 FX
CE Teebird 172 T
10X/CE Teebird 174G T
2 Pro Starfires 174G
Champion Starfire-L 174G
10X Roc 180
10X Roc 179
11X Roc 180
2 BB Aviars 174G
2 P&A Aviars 175G

Depends on the course and weather on how many I need in the bag at once.



how does a Wisconsin player NOT carry a Barry Schultz Beast? :confused: :D

alright.. some new discs came out so my bag has changed ever so slightly.. the bread and butter is still there though.

IN:
Star Sidewinder
Star Teebird
Q-mega(new production run. not the bar stamped Q-omegas)

OUT:
Pro Aviar
X-Avenger
11x Teebird

My bag as of now:
1x Classic Aviar .... Putting. can't throw becuase they crack
1x Q-mega....... For Flat to Turnover short Drive/Approach
1x JK Aviar-x 4time........ spin/jump putting and overstable drive/approach
1x 1st run BUZZZ.... Straight to Turnover MIdrange
1x Cryztal Buzzz...... Straight to Overstable Midrange
1x Star Sidewinder... Roller/Hyzerflip/Turnover.. Replaced x-avenger
1x Star Teebird...... Trying out, but stable as hell
1x 11x Teebird.... Hoping to beat in more for flat drive
1x CHampion Firechicken........ Utility shots

That's it for now..
I'll have to do a field report on the sidewinders after this weekend and see if they stay in my bag.

-Scott Lewis

Aviar X - 174g
Dx Roc - 179g
Champion Dye Viking - 174g
Champion TeeBird - 174g
Champion Orc -174g
Pro StarFire - 173g
Pro Wraith -172g
CandyOrion -174g ( for rolling ) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newest editions :

StarTeebird - 171g :D
CFR Wraith - 172g :D
Star SideWinder -174g :eek:

quickdisc: what's a candy orion???

also.. do you notice anything different bout the plastic in the different weights of the STar plastic?? Wondering if it's possible that the max or close disc are less grippy.

-Scott Lewis

My Orion is a bit stiffer on the rim and flight plate. The cheek does flex some when thrown hard. Cool roller disc.

As far as Star plastic , I have tested the Star Teebird in two different weights. My white 174 gram is overstable. Almost like Baby whippet stable , it that makes any sense.

My Red 171 is perfect. Flys like my slightly beat 11x Champion version. Still test driving the Star Sidewinder...............thing is fast !!!!!

My white Star plastic , to me , feels like stiff Special Edition plastic. My red , almost , feels like candy / Champion version.

Both have great grip. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Wizard
Wizard broken in
DX Roc 180g broken in
X-Wasp 174
Z-Wasp 174 new
Ch. Orc 168 main driver
Wildcat 174 first run
Pro Starfire 175
C.E. Leopard
Z-Predator wind and hyser
9x KC Cheetah 169 broken in roller(lost)

Pro Aviar
Super Roc
SB Roc
Glo Coyote
Star Sidewinder
Pro Wraith
Pro Starfire
SB Orc

1 Sparkle Tsunami
1 Champion Monster
1 Z Predator
1 Z XL
1 D Drone
1 Photon Buzzz
1 Photon Challenger
1 Hard Challenger

2 Vikings
2 Talons
Sidewinder
2 QJLSs
Eagle

Wasp
Buzzz
Spider
Coyote

2 Aviar-X

CFR Starfire-L (longest distance driver)
CE TeeBird (overstable driver)
CE TeeBird-L (straight driver)
beat SE TeeBird (understable driver)
Z-Buzz (straight/stable mid-range)
Z-Glide (understable mid-range)
Bulldog (overstable approach)
old school XD (understable approach)
X-APX (putter)

Recently, I've also been occaisonally carrying an old DGA #4 Roller-Putter for short forehand rollers where there are no other options (I play at DeLaveaga for crissakes!).

-E

1 Z Xtreme
1 Z Pred
1 Sparkle Tsunami
1 Proline Tsunami
2 Proline Riptides
2 Z Tracker
2 First run buzzz
2 D buzzz
3 D Challengers

1 Wraith
1 Orc
1 Firebird
3 Tbirds
4 Rocs
3 Aviars

Here's my B-Team ( for all of you's that don't have the distinct opportunity to play in the snowy North) b/c I don't want to lose my A-Team:

180 RAM (remember, when you play with the ram, it's like cheating!)
175 ch firechicken
175 ch orc
175 pro wraith (lovin' it)
174 ch eagle ( a great, reliable winter disc)
180 ch stingray (lets face it, a solid player)

**mids**

177+ drone (can't lose my ch gator)
180 dx roc over, over over
180 worlds 04 super roc
177+ wasp limited edition
177+ x buzz
174 breeze
174 dx rhyno
2- wizards (one dry, one drying off)

two putters is a great technique to make sure you make the most of your last shot that hole!

listed from over to under stable:

1 Z-Xtreme (1st run)
2 Z-Preds
1 Z-Avenger (suh-weet disc!) (1st run)
2 Z-Crush (1 is a 1st run)
1 Z-Flash
1 Z-Xpress
1 old school XL (1st run)

1 Z-wasp (1st run)
1 Z-Buzzz (1st run)
1 Holiday Buzzz (1st run)
1 pro-d challenger
2 Swirls

That's what's in the bag. What comes out and gets thrown depends on the situation in front of me. Sometimes all i use is Z-Preds, Z Flash, Z-Buzzz, and Swirls.

I am forced to my B-team due to white discs...

168 Red Pro Starfire
169 Day Glow CFR Wraith
161 Day Glow Champ Beast
171 Blue Champ Winder
168 Yellow Champ Winder
180 Red Super Roc 2004
178 Orange z-Glide
175 Blue Champ Buzz
175 Yellow X Buzz
172-174 Yellow Cryztal Challenger
172-174 Pro D Challenger
172-174 Soft Challenger
22 oz. Sam Adams

1 Z Xtreme
1 Z Pred
1 Sparkle Tsunami
1 Proline Tsunami
2 Proline Riptides
2 Z Tracker :eek:
2 First run buzzz
2 D buzzz
3 D Challengers



Hey Brad , how do you like the Z Tracker ? I hear it is really fast and flys like a Candy -TL - Teebird ?

I have only thrown champ tl's a few times and would say that the tracker is slightly more stable. These things found a spot in my bag before I even threw them, they just feel sweet in my hand.

As for speed, they don't even come close to the new distance drivers out there but are still fast for a control driver.

I'll second that! Z Trackers are great. :D

2 E Spirit
1 H Spirit
1 E Sabre
2 S Blaze
2 E Element
1 H Element
1 S Element
3 S Wizard

2 E Spirit
1 H Spirit
1 E Sabre
2 S Blaze
2 E Element
1 H Element
1 S Element
3 S Wizard



What is the difference between E , H and S plastic ?

I have only thrown champ tl's a few times and would say that the tracker is slightly more stable. These things found a spot in my bag before I even threw them, they just feel sweet in my hand.

I find the Z-Tracker to be MUCH more overstable than a CE TL or CFR TL. It's probably more comparable to a TeeBird as far as stability is concerned...

-E


As for speed, they don't even come close to the new distance drivers out there but are still fast for a control driver.

Would you say that the Z Tracker is a good fairway driver ?

Aviar Putter (putting blows right now. so what I throw doesn't matter too much. lol)
Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
2 Comets (different levels of wear)
Z-Glide (really nice for those shots that are in between mids and drivers)
Z-Wildcat (accuracy drives, long right turns, tailwinds and rollers)
Z-Crush (main driver but not working that great for me right now. very good disc but I may switch to a Z-Avenger.)
Z-Predator (got 2 of them. my beat up one is my favorite disc. I can throw it farther than anything else made.)

Trying that Wraith but have not noticed anything special about it. I am not one to fall into the "hype."

Drivers:
Ch. SL
2x Ch. Starfire 1 new 1 beat
Ch. Eagle-X
STAR Teebird

Mid:
Ch. Coyote
05 SB ROC
06 SB Roc
05 Ch. Glow Roc
Ching Roc
DX Roc
DX RAM

Putter:
10x Aviar
P&A Aviar
Aviar Putter "Purple" (it was purple at one time)
Aviar Putter "Orange" (purple at heart)

all max weight, mostly white

: ) :

Pro Orc 175
Nightshift Orc or SB Orc 175
Champ Orc 160
X Pred 170
Z Pred 170
SE Leopard 171

S Element 180
Z Buzzz 177

Soft Wizard 175
Swirl Apx 174


--
Night Golf- Z Pred and Wizard

What is the difference between E , H and S plastic ?



The E, H & S represent the different types of plastic that Gateway has available.
S = Suregrip, it is comparable to dx plastic, but perhaps a bit more durable.
H = High Durability, comparable to 10x blend plastic
E = Evolution Pro Line, comparable to Champion and Z plastic.

175 Proline Monster X-out (kinda beat but still very overstable)
175 SB orc
168 Champion orc
175 DX orc (beat, roller)

174 KC 11x teebird TB
174 CE teebird TL (almost new)
174 CFR teebird TL (nicely broken in)
174 CE teebird TL (very beat)

177 Z wasp
177 midnight Z buzzz
177 X buzzz (nicely broken in)
177 D buzzz (very very beat)

172 Super Soft S Wizard
175 Firm S Wizard
175 E Wizard

Looks like you carry a little bit of everything.

Even though I have lost my game, and suck horribly now, here it is:

175g Star Sidewinder
168-9g Champion Orc
175g Special Blend Orc
169g 11x KC Pro Teebird
169g Champion Teebird
174g CFR TL
178g Z-Wasp
178g X-Wasp
173-8g Cryztal Buzzz
175g Hard Wizard

How's that special blend Orc ? Fly any different ?

Different than Champion? If that's what you are asking, then yes IMO. The SB is a little domier and more overstable at first. Not as flat or flippy as my champ orc. It's been put through the works and has no knicks or gashes, just surface scratches, similar to champ durability IMO. Great straight distance driver.

My current bag is as follows;

z tracker 167
z flash 168 green
spectre 164
flick 150
first run buzz 172
crzstal challenger 174
x stratus 175
storm 150
z putt'r 174 (yes I know I shouldn't putt with Z plastic, but if it works it works)

Judging by the rest of the posts I need to add at least 5 discs to my bag. The additional 5 would be; 155-160 Champion Orc, 145-155 dx valk, 155-160 dx shark, 167 Wraith, 160-165 Wizard

Richard

My current bag is as follows;

z tracker 167
z flash 168 green
spectre 164
flick 150
first run buzz 172
crzstal challenger 174
x stratus 175
storm 150
z putt'r 174 (yes I know I shouldn't putt with Z plastic, but if it works it works)

Judging by the rest of the posts I need to add at least 5 discs to my bag. The additional 5 would be; 155-160 Champion Orc, 145-155 dx valk, 155-160 dx shark, 167 Wraith, 160-165 Wizard

Richard



Actually, I would say you need to take a few out of your bag. You already throw too many drivers for someone that probably does't have a lot of power (just guessing because your discs are light).

My current bag is as follows;

z tracker 167
z flash 168 green
spectre 164
flick 150
first run buzz 172
crzstal challenger 174
x stratus 175
storm 150
z putt'r 174 (yes I know I shouldn't putt with Z plastic, but if it works it works)

Judging by the rest of the posts I need to add at least 5 discs to my bag. The additional 5 would be; 155-160 Champion Orc, 145-155 dx valk, 155-160 dx shark, 167 Wraith, 160-165 Wizard

Richard



Actually, I would say you need to take a few out of your bag. You already throw too many drivers for someone that probably does't have a lot of power (just guessing because your discs are light).



I can get the tracker, flash and spectre out past 350-375, which I think is ok. When I am driving well, I can throw the buzz farther then all of my drivers with way more accuracy. Yes I would say I lack power and probably snap as well. If I were to get rid of discs, which ones would you say to take out and what if anything would you replace them with?

Richard

My current bag is as follows;

z tracker 167
z flash 168 green
spectre 164
flick 150
first run buzz 172
crzstal challenger 174
x stratus 175
storm 150
z putt'r 174 (yes I know I shouldn't putt with Z plastic, but if it works it works)

Judging by the rest of the posts I need to add at least 5 discs to my bag. The additional 5 would be; 155-160 Champion Orc, 145-155 dx valk, 155-160 dx shark, 167 Wraith, 160-165 Wizard

Richard



Actually, I would say you need to take a few out of your bag. You already throw too many drivers for someone that probably does't have a lot of power (just guessing because your discs are light).



I can get the tracker, flash and spectre out past 350-375, which I think is ok. When I am driving well, I can throw the buzz farther then all of my drivers with way more accuracy. Yes I would say I lack power and probably snap as well. If I were to get rid of discs, which ones would you say to take out and what if anything would you replace them with?

Richard



If you are really throwing 350-375 on average (sometimes we like to exaggerate on the message board), then I think you should not be throwing anything lighter than about 166-168. Not saying you need to be all max weight but the 150 discs are going to be very inconsistant.

While learing, you should try to have 3-4 drivers, 3-4 midrange and 2 putters.

Try the new Star Teebird. That is a very accurate driver that should fly similar to your Tracker. The Flash, Spectra, Orc and Wraith will all do similar things. Their stabilities differ but I suggest throwing all of them to determine which you like the best and sticking with 1 or 2 of them. The Flick is a decent disc but you should try a Firebird or Predator. Test those and see what you like, then pick 1.

For mids, if you like the Buzzz, you should try a Z-Wasp. It is a more overstable mid and will complement the Buzzz really well. Also get a Buzzz in D plastic. After getting the D-Buzz a little beat up, you should have 3 midrange that all have similar grips and speeds. They would cover all the stability differences you need and would handle almost any midrange shot you come across.

Keep that Crystal Challenger if you are using it for shorter upshots. It is really good for that but I would try a Soft APX or an Aviar Putter instead of the Z-Putt'r. The Z plastic can cause some really inconsistant releases out of the hand. Regular plastic is best for putting.

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If you are really throwing 350-375 on average (sometimes we like to exaggerate on the message board), then I think you should not be throwing anything lighter than about 166-168. Not saying you need to be all max weight but the 150 discs are going to be very inconsistant.

While learing, you should try to have 3-4 drivers, 3-4 midrange and 2 putters.

Try the new Star Teebird. That is a very accurate driver that should fly similar to your Tracker. The Flash, Spectra, Orc and Wraith will all do similar things. Their stabilities differ but I suggest throwing all of them to determine which you like the best and sticking with 1 or 2 of them. The Flick is a decent disc but you should try a Firebird or Predator. Test those and see what you like, then pick 1.

For mids, if you like the Buzzz, you should try a Z-Wasp. It is a more overstable mid and will complement the Buzzz really well. Also get a Buzzz in D plastic. After getting the D-Buzz a little beat up, you should have 3 midrange that all have similar grips and speeds. They would cover all the stability differences you need and would handle almost any midrange shot you come across.

Keep that Crystal Challenger if you are using it for shorter upshots. It is really good for that but I would try a Soft APX or an Aviar Putter instead of the Z-Putt'r. The Z plastic can cause some really inconsistant releases out of the hand. Regular plastic is best for putting.

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I would have to agree with most of that, and no I wasn't exaggerating about the distance. Distances were taken on a polo field with a laser range finder and a gps to back it up.

My main drivers are quickly becoming the tracker and the spectre. I use the challenger strickly for upshots and drives out to about 250. The 150 flick is use only for thumbers and spike hyzers. The stratus for rollers. The Z putt'rs at this point won't be replaced and will stay in the bag for putting only (putting is my strong point, it is my drives that are weak). I do like the idea of a couple of buzzzes with different plastic. I also like the idea of the wasp to replace the light storm. I will give that a try and see what happens, I don't want to carry more then 9 discs during a round, so I will go practice it all at the field.

Yeah those recommendations before do not have to be followed exactly. Just a overall guideline.

If you like the Stratus for rollers, that is great. Also try it for your understable midrange shots. If that works well, you may not need a D-Buzzz.

I really do think you should try to keep all discs in the same weight range. I would say for drivers, get them in the upper 160's, mids and putters in the lower 170's.

Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
Stratus
Challenger
Putt'r

Those should do everything you want within about 275-300' and the Stratus would be your roller.

Throw in about 4 drivers and you have everything you need. When going for the super-distance discs (Orc, Wraith, Spectra, Avenger), you should give a lot of discs a try but don't keep too many in your bag at the same time. It can be really hard to be consistant when you have 3 or 4 high speed drivers that fly very similarly. Disc selection can become a problem.

good luck

Z Pred 174 - overstable
Champ Teebird 175 - slightly overstable
Champ Orc 169 - stable distance
Champ Sidewinder 175 - understable, long rollers
Champ Stingray 180 - short to medium rollers

Z Wasp 178 - overstable
X Wasp 178 - stable
X Comet 178 - understable

DX Rhyno 174 - overstable
S Wizard 175 Soft - stable

163 JK 4x valk
168 jk 4x valk
169 sidewinder
163 ce firebird fx
169 ce firebird fx
180 san marino roc
177 san marino roc
180 Special blend roc
170 aviar
169 pro aviar

though when its cold I replace my rocs with hammers.

2 174 gators [ch. and dx]
3 175 spiders [ch. and 2 dx]
2 175 ch. leopards
2 avengers [170 x and 174 z]
1 175 z-pred

Orc
TB
FX
Leopard
Z-xpress
Qsentinel
Zbuzzz
beat ching roc
dx Classic roc
soft challenger
glo P&A

Pretty much use an Orc, FX, buzzz, challenger. I'm really liking the QS, but would like to try something with a bigger rim (i.e. Zwasp).

175 z pred
170 z pred
172 z crush (way overstabe)
170 z crush (straight)
174 sb Orc
177+ z Buzzz
177+ Midnight Buzzz
177+ gt buzzz
177+ z comet
177+ x comet
175 z wasp
170-172 pro challenger x 2
175 rhyno

175 se tee bird ( rollers )
175 z Flik (spike hyzers and short forehand skip shots)

:D:D:D

149g Champion Firebird - power FH & OH, BH skippers
150g Champion Banshee - shorter FH & OH
150g Champion Teebird - main driver
154g Champion Orc - wide-open max D
150g STAR Sidewinder - power turnovers
150g Champion (old Proline) Leopard - tricky tunnel shots, "touch drives", rollers
135g DX Eagle - super-beat, trick driver/mid
166g Champion Whippet - FH midrange, skip midrange, insane S shots
167g Champion (old Proline) Gremlin - overstable midrange
171g DX Gremlin - laser-straight main midrange
167g DX Gremlin - beat, turnover midrange
171g 10x KC Aviar - everything 80-220 ft
175g 3x JK aviar - hypersoft, everything 0-80 ft
150g 5x JK Aviar - WAY floppy & rubbery, trick mid/putter

stock for 2006
champ firebirds, champ/star teebirds, SL's, champion leopards, various rocs and wasps, kc aviars. maybe a JLS

Ben Wal
Super Roc
SB Roc
Champion Glo Coyote
Pro Wraith
Pro Starfire
Star Sidewinder
DX Orc

Ben Wal... "thats oldskool!" :D

Come to VA States this year. Some of our "ancient-skool" players (several of whom will be attending their 30th consecutive VA States) carry bags where a Ben Wal might be the newest disc! :D

slight changes-

2 dx spiders 175
2 gators 175 [ch.,dx]
e sabre 176
2 dx beasts 172,150
z-avenger 173
z-pred 174

i will use a spider [dx gator if windy] for putting

My bag right now:
1x Classic Aviar (175) (putting only.. cracked 4 this year from approaches and putting.. how do you crack a disc by pitch putting?)
1x Aviar P&A (175) (drive/approach)
1x JK Aviar-x (175)(long jump putts and hyzer approach)
1x Champ Stingray (178) (Obvious)
1x 1st Run Z-buzzz (178) (Hyzerflip, flat, annhyzer)
1x Cryztal Buzzz (173-178) (Overstable Mid)
1x Star Sidewinder (174)(Hyzerflip shots)
1x 11x Teebird (175) (Hyzers and Straight drives)
1x Champion firebird (175) (Utility)

What my Bag will be shortly:
1x Classic Aviar
1x JK Aviar-x
1x 1st Run Buzzz
1x Cryztal buzzz
1x DX Teebird (will beat into hyzerflip turnover disc)
1x DX Teebird (will become main driver)
1x Champion Firebird

-Scott Lewis

p.s. Thx Blake T for helping me out with my game! :)

5 wraiths (1 pro 172, 1 star 175, 3 cfr, 171, 173, and 175 all varied amount of wear)
1 roadrunner 175
1 champ whippet x 175
3 Monsters (1 proline 175, 1 champ 175, and a champ 172 broke in)
1 Super roc 178
1 Juju Supreme Ice 173 (**** this is a great short driver. It's an #$*&$! putter for me, tho.)
1 KC pro aviar 172

Been playing for a little over a year and my bag changes frequently. I'm a Right-Handed ForeHand player who is pretty new to the game and who has no back-hand from outside 150 ft. Great game and wish I'd started sooner.


2x KC Pro 11x TeeBirds (172 & 174)
1x Star TeeBird
1x KC Pro 11x Banshee (173)
2x Star CFR Wraiths (175's)
1x ProLine FireBird (172)
1X Champ RoadRunner (170)
1x Champ Orc (172)

1x Z Wildcat (172)
1x Z Avenger (173)
1x Z X2 (172)
1x Z Xtra (172)

1x ProLine Gremlin (170)
1x 1st Run Z Breeze
1x Z Buzzz

2x DX Aviars ( 173 & 175)

Wow, 13 drivers. Why?

Yea that is a ton of overlap. I wouldnt know what to throw.

My bag right now:

1 Z Flick
2 Champ Firebirds (1 CE)
2 Champ Orcs
2 Champ Teebirds
2 CE Leopards
1 SB Roc
1 Beat KC Roc
1 KC Aviar (driving putter)
2 Soft Wizards (putting putters :D)

I also have a couple random utility discs in my bag, but I'm learning those shots with other discs and taking them out. The only real overlap I have is with my flick and firebirds... And the flick is so much more overstable I only use it to get out of trouble. Thats never leaving the bag.

Pro Orc 175 or Pro Wraith
SB Orc 175 or Star Wraith
Champ Orc 160
X Pred 170
Z Pred 170
SE Leopard 170
CE Leopard 170
Z Buzzz 178
S Element 174
S Element 180
S Wizard 175
E Wizard 175

2006 line up:

3 - Challengers (soft, Pro D, CryZtal)
4 - Rocs (03 CE, DX-Ching, Pro Classic)
1 - Drone
3 - Starfires (SX, Star-SL)
5 - Orcs (Star, CH, DX)
2 - Wraith (Star)
3 - Teebirds (11x, CE, CH)
1 - Predator (X)
1 - Monster (CH)

PT Woods
# 20431

23 discs. wow! 2 questions:

doesn't your bag wear out a lot faster with that many discs?

don't you spend too much time choosing what disc to throw? (rather than on executing)

23 discs. wow! 2 questions:

doesn't your bag wear out a lot faster with that many discs?

don't you spend too much time choosing what disc to throw? (rather than on executing)



To each their own...I carry a lot of discs, and it doesn't bother me any.

driver changes--even simpler and works better than before
2 spiders 175 dx
2 gators 175 dx/champ
2 e sabres 176
2 wraiths 168 star/150 dx
2 z-preds 174/169
if i will need roller action, i will throw in a stratus and a seasoned dx beast

23 discs. wow! 2 questions:

doesn't your bag wear out a lot faster with that many discs?

don't you spend too much time choosing what disc to throw? (rather than on executing)



:D 23 discs ...................go ahead and work/break your back !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif 12-14 should be more than enough with back ups !!!!! Besides , try hiking up steep hills all day with 20+ discs , 32 oz. water bottle , etc.....

Champ Firebird
Champ Beast
5X Champ Valkyrie
4X Champ Valkyrie
10X KC Cheetah
(2) DX Valkyrie
QJLS

10X KC Roc
11X KC Roc
Glo Roc
DX Roc (beat)
Champ Spider
DX Classic Roc
Aviar Putter

Hmm, haven't done this in a while.

2 small bead aviar putters (DX)
1 JK Aviar (3 time)
1 Champion Aero
1 Star Stingray (praying for my champion stingray to return from Buckhorn Lake)
1 Glow Champ Coyote
1 2002 CE Roc
1 2004 Super Roc
1 123g DX Roc
1 USDGC Ch Roadrunner
1 X Out CE Leopard
1 Night Shift Orc (well beat)
1 new Champion Starfire
1 166g Champion gummy Monster
1 Star Wraith
1 DX Wraith (still testing)

Ok.

D-Challenger
Z-Wasp
Z-Buzzz
2 Comets
Spectra, X-Avenger (testing them to see which one is a better roller)
Z-Wildcat
Z-Crush, Z-Avenger, Wraith (still trying to decide on which one is the best overall distance driver for me)
2 Z-Predators

1-2 Star Wraiths
1-2 Star Teebirds
1 TL
1 Coyote (still trying it out)
1 SE Leopard/1 Star Sidewinder (rollers)
2 Rocs
2 Aviars

23 discs. wow! 2 questions:

doesn't your bag wear out a lot faster with that many discs?

don't you spend too much time choosing what disc to throw? (rather than on executing)



:D 23 discs ...................go ahead and work/break your back !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif 12-14 should be more than enough with back ups !!!!! Besides , try hiking up steep hills all day with 20+ discs , 32 oz. water bottle , etc.....



he is probably a lot younger than you and i :D
i used to carry 17, but Blake T. and others encouraged me to rethink the wisdom of doing so -- and for me less has been more.

i know it is easier on my bag & back too (which leads to better play late in a round) ;)

2 pro d challengers
1 ch rhyno
1 z wasp (need new more stable 1)
1 elite wasp less stable
1 E Element
1 beat kc roc

1 CH Firebird
1 tsunami
1 STAR Teebird
2 ch tls
2 star SLs

23 discs. wow! 2 questions:

doesn't your bag wear out a lot faster with that many discs?

don't you spend too much time choosing what disc to throw? (rather than on executing)



:D 23 discs ...................go ahead and work/break your back !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif 12-14 should be more than enough with back ups !!!!! Besides , try hiking up steep hills all day with 20+ discs , 32 oz. water bottle , etc.....



he is probably a lot younger than you and i :D
i used to carry 17, but Blake T. and others encouraged me to rethink the wisdom of doing so -- and for me less has been more.

i know it is easier on my bag & back too (which leads to better play late in a round) ;)



No doubt. Check him out in 15 years and see what back issues he may have. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Well after my ankle/foot surgery in October I have been in rehab. I have been able to play though. I have to take it easy and can't really throw to hard to prevent myself from following through to hard. I'm hoping to be 100% within 2 more months. That's what the doc says. So I have been working on my putters and rocs mainly.

Here is my setup now.

CE FX 174G
1st Run DX Firebird 172G
CE Teebird T 172G
4 10X Rocs all 180G (Beat up in different levels)
3 BB Aviars 174G

Drivers:
172g E-Spirit (Monster headwinds)
172g H-Spirit (Moderate headwinds)
172g H-Illusion (Slightly overstable)
172g E-Illusion (Turn over distance driver)
174g H-Illusion (Roller)
172g E-Hybrid (Controlled pure hyzer shots)
171g E-Saber (Control Driver)
172g S-Saber (Control Driver)
Midrange:
180g E-Element (Understable)
182g E-Element (Straight)
182g E-Element (Slightly overstable)
182g E-ELX (Moderate overstable)
172g S-Blaze (Testing this out...but liking it a great deal)
174g S-Demon (Overstable)
Putter:
175g S-Wizard Medium (All putting)
175g S-Wizard Medium (All putting)
174g S-Wizard Firm (Driver for most holes under 300)

Could you narrow that down to 7 discs ?

172 z-predator
169 ch. orc
174 z-wildcat
174 ce leopard

175 z-wasp
174 x wasp
178 dx roc(worn)

175 wizard med.
175 wizard (worn)

That is a really good setup.

1-2 orcs (SB, champ)
3-4 teebirds (CFR TL,10x, 11x, star)
1 firebird (candy pro)
1 sidewinder (star)
1 z-wasp
3 buzzz(midnight, cryztal, z)
1 dx roc
3 rhynos (2 pro, 1 champ)

1 Champion Starfire
1 Champion Orc
1 Star Wraith
1 Champion Leopard
1 Champion Sidewinder
1 Star Stingray
1 1991 Aviar Putter
1 1989 #1 Driver from Innova (for rollers)
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Listed from most stable to least.

175 Champion Monster
167 Champion Firebird
170'ish EliteX Predator (can't read weight anymore)
171 Crush (can't play w/o my orange crush!)
170 Ten time KC Pro Eagle
175 Star Teebird
175 Super Roc
173 DGA Squall
178 KC Pro Roc
175 Pro Classic Roc
171 Star Wraith
175 Pro Wraith (needs to go, got scuffed. Use it for 2nd shot/frustration relief)
175 Pro Starfire
171 Star Sidewinder
175 Champion Roadrunner
180 DX Stingray
(2) 174 KC Pro Aviars

I need to remove about 4 that I don't use that much.

With that much plastic you could build a car.
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"Those that reject the path to enlightenment must be destoyed"

I know. I've got to shed some of it but . . . which ones? I'd like to cut it down to ten but it's hard to do once you've learned how to use them.
Some of them I don't even use unless it's really windy, maybe I should just leave those in a "windy-day" bag in the car. I could probably get rid of either the Sidewinder, Roadrunner, or Stingray. It can be done, I'm just lazy though. What I really need to do is move up so I don't get stuck with so much plastic. ;)

Well, I have been working on my game pretty hard the last few days and really want to get fine tune my skills before playing a couple tournaments next month. I decided that I was also hurting my consistancy by throwing some whako discs.

I revamped:
2-3 Wizards
Z-Wasp
4 Rocs
X Avenger (Roller)
2 CE TL's (pretty much anything I can't reach with a Roc)
Pro Wraith (distance only)
2 Z-Predators

I am gonna try out the Star Wraith this weekend may change that out for the Pro. I also want to check out the Star FX when it comes out to replace my really overstable Predator and I may throw a Z-Talon instead of my beat up Pred (or just have that lined up for a backup if I lose it).

I think that bag setup will be a lot more consistant for me. I was throwing too many different kinds of discs with different feels. It complicates things.

11x Teebird 174 - main driver
Star Teebird 175 - same, more grip
CH Firebird FX 175 - thumbers, wind
CH Orc 167 - distance
SB Orc 172 - same, more grip
Star Sidewinder 172 - low ceiling & hyzer flips
CE Leopard 175 - roller, shorter annies
11x Roc 180 new - everything i can reach with it
11x Roc 177 beat - annies & short tunnels
D Drone 175
10x Aviar 174

CFR Starfire -new
CFR Starfire -beat
STAR SL
11x Eagle -waiting for STAR Eagle-X
10x Eagle -new
10x Eagle -beat
Trying out a monster. will probably put a STAR FX in it's place when they come out
Ch. Coyote -waiting for STAR Coyote
'05 SB Roc
'05 Glow Roc
Ching Roc -new
Ching Roc -older
Ching Roc -oldest
DX RAM

10x Aviar -approach -need to try a STAR Aviar
Aviar PA -approach -need to try a STAR Aviar
'91 Aviar Putter Purple
'91 Aviar Putter Orange "purple at heart"

: ) :

All white discs:

10x Aviar Short hyzers, putting
4X Aviar X Stiff run, putting when it is cold
10X Roc, fairly beat for turn overs and approaches
Ching Roc, go to disc, I use it for any hole up to 360
Star Wraith, Bomber
Star sidewinder, turnovers when the roc just won't get there
Champion Starfire X, straight shots with minimal fade, spike hyzers
CE FL 165 , security disc

Just took out one of my lighter Teebirds and replaced it with a New heavier Star Valkerie !!!!!! 175grams.

Since it's new , it flys like a really fast TL Teebird with more distance !!!! Sweet disc !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

171 Champ Monster
170 Star Teebird
(2)171 DX Teebird
163 Star Sidewinder
170 Champ Leopard
168 DX Leopard

178 Z-Wasp
178 S Element-X
178 DX Roc beat

(2) 174 Soft Wizards
(2) 174 Med. Wizards

1 - 172g STAR Wraith <font color="red">Distance</font>

1 - 175g CFR TL <font color="red">GO-TO Driver, does everything</font>
1 - 175g 10x KC Pro Teebird <font color="red">Overlap, may take out</font>
1 - 169g 11x KC Pro Teebird <font color="red">Straight, slight hyzers</font>
1 - 175g Champion Firebird <font color="red">Big hyzers, wind, spikes, skips</font>
1 - 175g STAR Sidewinder <font color="red">Not sure, roller? annys? distance?</font>
1 - 175g Special Blend Orc <font color="red">Hyzer flips, distance, straight</font>

1 - 180g DX "Ching" Roc <font color="red">Straight, annys</font>
1 - 178g Z-Wasp <font color="red">About to be gone! Champ Rhynos are way better.</font>
1 - 175g Z-Buzzz <font color="red">Straight with hyzer finish</font>
1 - 177g Midnight Z-Buzzz <font color="red">Straight, slight annys</font>

1 - 175g Champion Rhyno <font color="red">EVERYTHING! Short spike hyzers, skips, wind, most upshots under 300ft, long putts</font>
2 - 175g Pro Rhyno <font color="red">all short putts</font>
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If I had to condense my bag:
Champ. TL
Champ. Firebird
SB Orc
DX Roc
Rhynos

Recent changes!

172 first run Z Crush: corkscrew overhands
173 Slipstream GT: corkscrew overhands and hard turnover or hyzer flip backhand drives
176 D-1 Prostyle: slow turnover backhands
176 E Illusion: slow turnover and straight backhands
174 Star Wraith: Go-to control and distance driver--dead straight forehand or backhand
173 Z Avenger: Slightly understable forehand distance driver or overstable backhand driver
E Illusion, unknown weight: slightly overstable driver
171 X-clone: security blanket for hyzer backhands over water
150 Z Flick: sharp fade driver
176 E Speed Demon: sharp fade trick-shot driver
174 Scout: hard fade short midrange
173 E Blaze: Overstable long control midrange
174 clear E Sabre: All-purpose disc
178 Q Sentinel: straight control midrange
180 E Element-X: straight to understable midrange
182 E Element: understable midrange
17? US-1 Prostyle: float/flare putter
Arrow, unknown weight: straight-line putter

The star wraith is doing for my long game what the evolution sabre did for my sub-300 game. It'll do anything as long as I don't need a sharp turn.

The optimizer isn't in my bag at the moment because I left it on a course and a friend has it. He doesn't think of it as an actual disc so he didn't remember to give it to me last time he had the chance. But that's ok because he traded me a star wraith for a champion monster I wouldn't have used anyway.

In my bag:

174 Champ Firebird
173 Champ Eagle
175 DX Teebird
174 CE TL
175 Star Teebird
2x 177+ D Buzzz
177 Z Buzzz
174 Pro Line Spider
175 Cryztal Challenger
175 very beat SS Wizard
2x 175 Soft Wizard

max champ firebird hyzers, thumbers
max star teebird, 11x teebird, most drives
max champ tl, anny driver, low speed straight shots where i dont feel comfortable with roc
max star wraith- wide open distance shots
max champ shark hyzers
max dx roc straight midrange
max ching roc beat for anhyzers
max 11 x aviar for putting
171 beat 10x aviar for anhyzers under 300'
175 new 10x aviar stable putter shots
175 medium beat 10x aviar for straight shots and slow hyzers, upshots

Simplicity is bliss.
Firebirds- its real windy here
2 Beasts- boom-boom
Tulsa Orc ( aka- torc )
Champion Orc ( aka Bjorc )
stack-o-Storms
DX viper- real windy here
xd putters x 4
and a partridge in a pear tree!

max champ firebird hyzers, thumbers
max star teebird, 11x teebird, most drives
max champ tl, anny driver, low speed straight shots where i dont feel comfortable with roc
max star wraith- wide open distance shots
max champ shark hyzers
max dx roc straight midrange
max ching roc beat for anhyzers
max 11 x aviar for putting
171 beat 10x aviar for anhyzers under 300'
175 new 10x aviar stable putter shots
175 medium beat 10x aviar for straight shots and slow hyzers, upshots



No Starfire?? Why do you like the wraith more?

i liked the champ starfires but ran out of them, i just got the star wraith a few weeks ago and its the only wraith i liked
in short it just has ridiculous distance(i almost 3'ed a 1000 footer this past weekend with 2 airshots) and i can throw it flat and count on its stability
This is a spot in my bag that i dont really use around here, normally just throw teebirds, but if i need some huge d this disc is easy to control, if i had some champ starfires or 1st run orcs i would probably still throw them but i dont have any $$ to spend on discs so im using what i got for free

My players bag custom made with 2 sets of water bottles in each end ( no duual strap)bag has changed some lately so I thought I would post.
175g Green Nike E Spirit, as good of a headwind driver ever made, wont even think about flipping even into a 30- MPH head wind, but broken in enough to stay flat at 55 MPH and almost never loses velocity or rotaion on 8-10 second 400' plus flights.
172 Glow E spirit broken in for slight hyzer flip low or reverse right out of the hand whne thorw a littlle higher.
1- tuned like a piano 172g Yelow firm domey, E illusion, Hyzer flips medium height or hyzer all the way bombs of 425 plus.
The biggest roller disc on the market hands down!
176g Sabre money maker goes where I throw it and only where I throw it, not a fancy disc but accurate and controllable at a wide range of speeds and heights,
1 Beat S glow sabre flip ups on wooded holes and control rollers.
175 g E hybrid ( most recent thin flight plated retooling.
This disc has gone well over 425 and takes a bit of an arm to keep it from being overstable at the end.
I think I need to get it beat a bit more and it may replace some of the discs, especially on lower ceiling shots.
2 E lements one is a bit flippy and the other is a bit more stable, both 180g.
178g E element-X from the latest runs of some of the orange transluscent, very grippy and tacky for this CEisch blend, they are also beefy overstable, but still vey controllable.
174g S blaze slightly beat and very straight, the elements are pushing out the blaze but it may change when it gets warmer out.
175 Glow medium/firm Wizard overstable
173 H wizard very Straight and in the H doesnt get effected by the cold at all!
174 Glow Medium kind of beat for turn overs.
I 175 gram RUBBER ERASER red proto wizard.
Just broke out this baby after 2 years in a box and I cant seem to miss with it.
The new Titan Bakstes are a big help with the putting as well. I have ony seen 1 or 2 spits in about 30 rounds.
For those how have putted in it I'm sure you will agree.
A few towels, pencils and sharpies, 2 nalgen bottles.
and a couple of ultrstar minis.

i liked the champ starfires but ran out of them, i just got the star wraith a few weeks ago and its the only wraith i liked
in short it just has ridiculous distance(i almost 3'ed a 1000 footer this past weekend with 2 airshots) and i can throw it flat and count on its stability
This is a spot in my bag that i dont really use around here, normally just throw teebirds, but if i need some huge d this disc is easy to control, if i had some champ starfires or 1st run orcs i would probably still throw them but i dont have any $$ to spend on discs so im using what i got for free



yeah, here in NC there are only a few courses that are long wide open holes where he would need a starfire

Jacksonville(parts)
Zebulon(parts)
Cedarock(majority open)
Renny Gold(majority open)

The rest of the courses in NC, Jackie Smalls can throw teebirds and reach most of the holes

THanks. Which mold/plastic starfire(s) did you have in your bag when you won worlds?

I don't remember him having any. :confused: I do know the new ones seem totally different than the CFRs I have in my "Box o' Discs". :D

well the champ starfires are slightly more overstable than the CFRs

I have a first mold Starfire...then they tweaked it slightly and brought it out at 2004 USDGC(flaming star-stamp)...then they tweaked it slightly again and made the SX and SLs

I have a Champion Starfire in my bag and it is the most overstable disc in there. When I throw it flat, I always get that sharp, sweeping hyzer at the end of the throw. I get great skip shots with it, too.
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"Those that reject the path to enlightenment must be destoyed"

1 Firebird
2 star wraiths
2 pro wraiths
2 star teebirds
1 beat teebird
1 ch gator
4 KC rocs
1 ch ryno
2 BB aviars

175g Green Nike E Spirit, as good of a headwind driver ever made, wont even think about flipping even into a 30- MPH head wind, but broken in enough to stay flat at 55 MPH.



I don't have anything that stays stable in a 55mph wind.

I figure if a tropical storm is coming. I will just stay inside. :D

I am going to be novel and organize my discs by speed for everyone not interested :)
<blockquote><ul>
Z-Avenger (teebird replacement) Tsunami (long roller) Z-Predator (long drives) Z-XL (long range comet &amp; short rollers) Z-Xtreme (utility and trick shots) KC-Roc (overstable mid) Z-Comet (long drives) X-Comet (understable mid) Pro Challenger (putt, approach &amp; short drives)
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That is what I carry for tournaments, for non-tournament play, I carry about half of that depending on the course.

I've also been looking for an extremely understable midrange to replace a D-wasp that I have beat to crap over the years, I want to find something that is that stiff and that understable when it's brand new, closest thing so far I've found is the Stratus, but it's plastic isn't very stiff. I have probably thrown every single disc made in the last couple years, but nothing comes to mind. I just want something I can buy and have it fly like I want out of the box, no beating necessary.

I've also been looking for an extremely understable midrange to replace a D-wasp that I have beat to crap over the years, I want to find something that is that stiff and that understable when it's brand new,



Try an optimizer... may not be stiff enough but it will be understable enough for sure... the other idea would be a hard magnet, you will put it on the anny line and it will stay there. :D

stingray...champ version(or even star)

Star Stingray, firm, but not as firm as an X Wasp. Slow but very understable, probably won't go as far as a broken in Wasp.
CH or Pro Cobra. Mine are not as firm as an X Wasp, but they aren't soft. Faster than a Stingray, less understable than a Stingray, more glide and a little fade. Should go as far as a Wasp.
Z Glide? If you want Discraft, this is their understable mid-range that fit's the bill. Pretty firm, long and they don't take very long to break in and get flippy IMO. Some people love them ... some don't.
It's going to be hard to find another disc that is as firm as an X Wasp, and flies like one that is broken in. You might just have to buy several X Wasps and start breaking them in, and rotate them so you have several that are broken in. What about DX Rocs? Depends on where you play, and what you want to throw I guess.

PS. Sorry, I just realized you said "D" Wasp. I still suggest getting several X Wasps and breaking them in. They will last longer once they are broken in.
What about trying a "D" Buzzz?

The magnet won't work for what I need. The Champ stingray is not understable enough, and not stiff enough. I can't remeber throwing an optimizer, but I might give it a go, if it is still in regular production.

X-wasp is too stable, My D-Wasp that I am referring to is almost broken understable, like totally trashed, never hyzer back at the end no matter what angle you release it at, understable. I might give the D-buzz a throw or two, I wonder if they make D-Breezes?

I'm pretty sure they don't make the Breeze in D plastic.

A D Buzzz will break in faster than a D Wasp. But it's not going to be as understable as you want it to be when it's new.

Have you tried a Banger GT?

I'm pretty sure they don't make the Breeze in D plastic.

A D Buzzz will break in faster than a D Wasp. But it's not going to be as understable as you want it to be when it's new.

Have you tried a Banger GT?


Yes, I'm not very fond of the GT. I think I'm gonna try the D Buzzz. Throw it into a chainlink fence for a few hours then see if it's what I want ;)

Have you tried an S Element? The one I'm throwing is the flippiest disc in my bag. It's definitely stiff. Probably stiffer than anything else you guys have listed and definitely holds a turnover. I am throwing a 174g (kinda light since they go to 182-83, can't remember). If you get one for turnover be sure to get S because the ones in E plastic are totally different discs as far as stability.

Just my $.02, hope it helps.

THanks. Which mold/plastic starfire(s) did you have in your bag when you won worlds?


i had a x out champion starfire in there but im not sure what the mold was. i think it was the original mold, it was money but i threw it in on my 3rd shot on hole 5 at USDGC it was too stable for Flagstaff though, i was throwing a flippy 2nd run 171 orc for the shots i would use the champ starfire on in Raleigh.

sb orc 171
esp surge 173
pro wraith 171
z crush 174
z pred 170
z pred 174
se tee bird 175 -roller
Z flick -174
z wasp 176
z buzzz 177+
midnight Buzz 177+
z comet 177+
x comet 177+
dx rhyno 174
pro challenger 170-172
gt banger 170-172

:D

New Bag setup for 06: Go Gateway!

1-2 Spirits
2-3 Illusions (E,S)
1-2 Sabres
1 Hybrid
1 Element-X
1-2 Elements
1 E Wizard
2 Medium Wizards

Just added a 173 gram Dx Wraith.

Everyone's favorite, what's-in-the-bag:

175g S Medium Wizard
(2) 175g Evolution Wizards
174g Champion Panther
167g Champion Spider
(3) 172g Pro Teebird-Ls
172g CFR Teebird-L
172g DX Wraith
170g Star Wraith (hot pink)
174g Champion Starfire-X
174g Champion Orc
And until the wind stops being ridiculous:
175g Champion Wizard
174g Champion Firebird

All in a black Revolution Texas Team Bag with black Quadshocks and two Marshall Street towels

(I also just ordered a Star TL. Awesome, can't wait.)

what's in my bag:
1 champion aviar 175
1 jk pro aviar x 169
1 star aviar 173
2 z buzz 173 & 175
1 viking 172
1 first run avenger 173
1 qjls 170
1 star sidewinder 168
2 ch. sidewinders 169 & 171
3 ch. teebirds 174 & 175,175
2 ch. valkyries 175 & 171
1 flash 171
2 discraft ace race discs for fun

Seems like alot of plastic but I play alot of courses and have need for all of them rollers,thumbers,sidearm etc....

More tuning this winter....

3 Orcs (2 Champ, 1 SB, but I don't know if the SB is staying)
DX Wraith (just trying it out...I really like it so far)
Champ Sidewinder (turnovers and rollers...want to try the roadrunner before this becomes permanent)
E Hybrid (This thing REALLY needs to break in to stay in my bag)
S Sabre
Z Glide
2005 SB Roc
Z Comet
3 Wizards (1 E, 1 S, 1 SS)

Ok, here is my line up...

2 Champion Teebirds
2 Champion Beasts
1 Champion Valk
1 Star Valk
2 Pro Starfires
1 Pro Wraith
1 Pro Firebird
1 PDGA Elite X Storm
1 Pro Roc
1 Pro Classic Roc
5 Wizards (1 E, 2 Medium, 2 Soft)

Im trying to narrow down my driver selection. I dont need all these discs in my bag.

putters:
2x Classic Aviar (putting)
1x Aviar P&A (upshots, turnover drives until the weather gets warmer)
1x 4xJK Aviar-x (hyzer upshots and hyzer drives)
MIdranges:
1x Champion Stingray
1x 1st run buzzz
1x Midnight Buzzz(getting it beat so it'll be like my 1st run)
1x Cryztal Buzzz
Drivers:
1x Star Sidewinder
3x DX Teebird (trying to get them all beat in)
1x Champ Orc or Champ Teebird (hyzer shots)
1x Candy Firebird.

-Scott Lewis

2 spiders
2 gators
1 stratus

2 star tl's
1 z-pred
2 dx wraiths
1 roadrunner

Im hanging my Revolution Bag, and using smaller bag

Cutting down my 50% of my tournament discs to improve my aspect of the course and better disc selections

Star TL
Star Wraith
Star Beast
Star Valkyrie
Star Roc
SB Roc 2006 (talon)
USDGC Glo Roc
DX Roc
DX Classic Roc
Star Avair

Backups
Star Teebird
Star SL
Champ Shark
Champ Monster
Champ Firebird
Drone

May the Disc be with you
Space Cadet

P.S. Im Star Plastic Addict, Send Help!! ;)

Drivers:

Iron Lion stamped Star Wraith.........Max D
" " Star TL..............Cheaper CE Leopard
" " Star SL...............S shot D
" " Pro Wraith...........straight D
" " Ch. Orc..............fairway driver, long
Star Stamped Sidewinder................how I roll
Pro Line Monster............................overheads, flicks

Middies

DSM Coyote..........................straight
Iron Lion stamped DX Roc........hyser
Z- Wasp.................................S
Proto Ch. Gaytor.....................flicks and hysers

Putters

Iron Lion stamped Star Aviar.....putt and approach
10x KC....................................off the tee
DX Aviar..................................elevation putts
Bulldog..................................sky annys, taking blame

All in a Gateway Backpack bag Ive had for 3 years and is still in BRAND NEW shape. IMO, if your going to spend a 100$ on a bag, buy one from them. I own a disc golf pro shop and have contacted Revoloution several times for some of thier bags to no avail, and Im not trying to buy just one. Not even a return email or phone call.

Revolution Bag:

CE Firebird- nothing else to say
KC Pro Firebird- great Firebird if you can find one
Pro Firebird- only made them one year but fast as hell!
KC Pro Eagle- flies just like the day I got it, super consistent
Champion Banshee- nothing has better skip play
KC Pro Cheetah- small diameter good for tunnels
Roadrunner- long glide
CFR TL- great fairway driver
CFR Orc- long distance
CFR Starfire- long distance
CFR Wraith- long distance
Star TeeRex- long distance

Pro Line Gremlin- rare but the best mid range ever!!!
CFR Viper-X: awsome disc but rare
Champion Gator- great hyzer head wind up shot
First run Champion Whippet-X: hyzer hard fade head wind

XD Putt and Approach- best long distance putter ever
Dx Aviar- solid putter
Omega Supersoft- good ol supersoft

SB Orc 175
Champ Orc 160
1st Run Z Predator 168
Z Predator 174
2nd Run CE Leopard Beat 170
2nd Run CE Leopard New 173
Z Buzzz 178
S Element 180
S Element 174
S Wizard Beat 175
Glow S Wizard 175
Aviar P&A 175

2 spirits
2 illusions
3 sabres
1 hybrid
1 DEMON
2 element x's
2 elements
4 wizards

Drivers
<ul type="square"> Z Pred 168 - overstable SB Orc 175 - distance Ch Orc 165 - downwind distance Ch Teebird 175 - control Star TL 175 - control Star Sidewinder 175 - understable, rollers [/list]

Mids
<ul type="square"> Z Wasp 178 - overstable X Wasp 178 - stable, best mid ever X Comet 178 - understable Star Stingray 180 - short rollers [/list]

Putters
<ul type="square"> DX Rhyno 175 - overstable S Wizard Soft 175 - putts [/list]

Testing
<ul type="square"> Star Teerex 174 ESP Surge 172 Star Wraith 171 [/list]

In the bag yesterday:

11X Roc 180G New-Stable
11X Roc 180G Mid-Beat
10X Roc 180G Beat
2 BB Aviars 175G
10X Teebird 175G Beat
CE T Teebird 172G
SB Orc 174G
CE FX Firebird 172G
Pro Starfire-L 170G Big annies...

JK Aviar-x
Discraft Breeze
Champ Panther
Champ Roc
Star TL
2 Star Teebirds
Champ Orc
Pro Wraith
2 Champ Firebirds

Nice call !!!! "Revolution Bag".

Spring line-up:

Putters:
Challengers (Soft, Pro-D, CryZtal)

Mids:
Rocs (03' CE, Tribal, Super-Roc, DX
Drone (Pro-D)

Drivers:
Starfire (CFR, CH)
Orc (SB, CH)
TeeRex (Star)
Predator (x)
TeeBird (CE, 11x)
Sidewinder (CH)

PT Woods
# 20431

Putters: Aviars (JK5x, KC10x, broken in DX P&A), 174-175g
Mid: 175g CH Gator, '05 CH Roc, broken in '05 SB Roc, beat KC 8x, all Rocs are 179g
Drivers: STL, ST, CH Viking, SSW, SV, SBST, Pro SF, SSL, SBO, DXW, SW, STR
Coming today: SFX
High altitude (course at 7000 ft.) driver weights, 166 to 172.
I usually don't use all of these during a round, but I like to have a good selection in the bag if the weather changes (get's windy), as it often does in Colorado.

Gateway Back Pak

(2) SE Teebirds
Star TL
Orion LF (waiting til the are released to pick a couple more up)
Champ Valkyire
(2) Roc (DX, Pro)
(2) Hawkeye (Standard, Steady "Ed")
(2) Wizard (SS, Med) (Plan on picking up a hard and soft)

changed my bag a tad.

Putters:
2x classic Aviar (putting)
1x Aviar P&A (Beat for turnover drive/approach)
1x JK 4x (Hyzer drive/approach and jump putting)
Mids:
1x champ Stingbat (hyzerflip and turnover)
1x 1st run buzzz (beat.. flat/hyzerflip/hyzer)
1x MIdnight Buzzz (new.. beating in to replace my 1st run buzzz)
Drivers:
1x Starwinder (hyzerflip and turnover)
3x DX teebird (flat/hyzer/anny)
1x Champ orc(long hyzer.. trying out orcs for the first time)
1x Candy Firebird

I think the champ orc will fight the long hyzer line better than my 11x teebirds. I love the champ stingray and have gotten some amazing drives with it lately by parking some tunnel shots. I'm also loving the MIdnight buzzz. $15 replacement for a $45+ disc is always good!.. I might switch over to a KC AViar and then i can take out the classics and the JK aviar.

-Scott Lewis

Soft Magnet
1st run Magnet
2 Photon Challengers
2 Photon Buzzz'
2 1st run Buzzz
2 Z Trackers
ESP Surge
Z Avenger
Sparkle Tsunami
Z Predator
Z Xtreme

Spring '06 tournament setup:
149g DX Wraith or 150g STAR Valk or 154g Champion Orc (depending on the weather &amp; my "gut" feeling)
149g Champion Firebird
150g Champion Teebird
149g Proline (Champion) Leopard
150g Champion Banshee
150g STAR Sidewinder
167g DX Gremlin (beat) or 145g DX Gremlin (seasoned) (depending on my mood)
171g DX Gremlin (seasoned)
171g Proline (Champion) Gremlin or 173g STAR Gremlin (still undecided if the STAR will unseat my Prolines)
167g Champion Whippet
171g 10x KC Aviar
150g 4x JK Aviar
175g 3x JK Aviar

2 Wizards
Z-Wasp
KC Roc
2 DX Rocs (1 new, 1 very beat)
X-Avenger (roller)
2 CE TL's (1 beat, 1 new)
Star Wraith
2 Z-Predators (1 beat, 1 new)

Happy Birthday JuJu. :)

Thanks, 23 and feeling like an old man. :D

The T Rex is now inda bag, Wow what an Overstable FAST Driver.

Champion Orc
Pro Line Element
Wizard

No bag needed with this setup

Would you know , by chance , if the second run T-Rex is more stable than the first run ? Or if it even is out yet ?

z-pred
dx wraith
2 star tl's
roadrunner

2 gators
2 spiders
stratus

2 spirits: 1 e 1 h
1 e speed demon
1 h illusion
2 sabres: 1 e 1 s
1 e element x
1 s demon
2 wizards: 1 putting 1 driving

Are you sponsored?

haha, no, but i just got a box in from Dave and my game has been almost flawless since i have put these discs in my bag. i would love to be sponsored though. :D

Jared, So far you have gotten the "ok" discs and you still need a Nike spirit or two, E Illusions, E hybrids, and of course some E blazes.

^^^^^^^That is what my bag consists of along with E sabres and Wizards. :D

i have 2 e hybrids and an e blaze, i have an old milky white sabre that is amazing. the nike spirits sound nice, and an e illusion couldn't hurt the bag either.

I say you give me that Sabre and I will give you all my elements. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I traded a guy for a Milky white one but it was flippier than my other ones that I have lost.

this one isn't flippy at all, it actually really stable. it's by far my favorite disc in my bag, and no i will not trade you for all your elements haha :D

Well that is ok in the past few months I have learned to throw my beat in hybrid pretty good.

You coming to TX states? Also tell Coda to sign up EARLY.

I'm rocking one of those stable milky E's, The new run of white ones that are a little milky are stable and have just a bit more dome, not as great as the originals but close. Of the 4 milky's i had (down to 1) 2 were noticebly more understable than the other two.

Jan. 10. 2004

3 SE Soft Rhynos - all 170
JK Aviar - 175
2001 CE Roc - 174
Pro Gremlin - 175
CE Eagle - 161
2 CE Valks - 158 + 167
Z Reaper - 166
Champion Viking - 156
CE T-Bird - 160
2 Elite XLs - both 167
Z XL - 170
Pro Beast - 167



April 11, 2006

3 Pro Line Rhynos - 170
1 DX Rhyno - 174
1 - 2001 CE Roc - 174
1 Pro Gremlin - 175
2 CE Eagles - 161 & 162
1 Z Reaper 166
1 CE T-Bird - 160
1 CE Beast - 162
1 CE Valkyrie - 167
2 Sirius Orion Fade - both 163
2 Orion LS - 160 & 162

Interesting that some stuff is still in my bag 2 years later. I had a CE Orc and another Orion LS in the bag until this weekend when I threw them into a lake. :mad: But, having thrown the new SOLF's for a couple of days - I might not even miss the Orc and I still have 4 of the Orion LS's.

171 CE Rhyno (HOMIE)!

Is that a Red Roc Club Homie???

174 Star Aviar (Lime green)
174 Star Aviar (dark blue)
180 USDGC 06 SB Roc
180 USDGC 06 Star Roc
180 USDGC 06 Champion Roc
180 CE Roc
167 CE Cheetah
174 Star TL (love that super-grippy-green)
172 Star Sidewinder
175 Champion Roadrunner
175 Champion Orc
174 Z XS
..and a 171g Pro Wraith (for when I'm feeling really over confident, stupid, or both)
..various other discs find there way in and out

1 thermal shirt, windbreaker, birdie bag, 1 jug o water, 1 jug of "that's gatorade officer" sandpaper, pencils, extra towel, maybe a snack, tissue, First aid kit (well band-aids and alchohol wipes anyway), and extra socks...

...just thinking to myself as I wrote all this out.... I actually carry all this crap around with me ?!!!!

1 year ago...
172g champ valk
172g champ orc
172g champ monster
175g champ firebird
175g champ teebird

175g d XL

174g X buzzz
175g champ gator

175g d challenger

3.5g HukLab dual mini...



Now...
174g Sparkle Tsunami
172g Champion Monster
174g Z Predator
174g Z XL
178g Buzzz
177g Drone
174g Challenger
3.5g HukLab dual mini...


7 discs now, never more than 10...

2 Champion Aviars
1 Champion Rhyno
2 Champion Cobras
1 Z Express
1 Champion Roadrunner or Valkyrie (depends on wind)
2 Champion Beast/Wraith (essentially the same disc for me)
2 Champion Orcs
1 Z Avenger
1 Champion Monster

Utility discs for high wind
1 Z Extreme
1 G5i

All max weight

Just looked at all 4 posts I've put on this thread...wow...an interesting slow progression to the current setup.

Drivers from under to over:
QJLS 1st run
11x Teebird (x2 - one is a backup)
Surge ESP
CE Eagle (x2 - one for overhands)
Pro Firebird (x2 - one for FH rollers)
Champion WhippetX

Mids from under to over:
Champion Panther
CE Spider (x2 - one is a backup)
11x KC Roc

Putters:
Soft Challenger
UV Soft Challenger (x2 - one is a backup)
CryZtal Challenger

The Surge replaces the Orion LS which replaced the Pro Starfire which replaced the Viking. Haven't used it in a tourney yet, but early results make it the big boomer in the bag.

175 Ch Firebird
172 Sparkle Tsunami
172 SB TeeRex
172 Ch Wraith
172 Ch Orc
168 Ch Sidewinder
175 Star TeeBird
180 DX Roc new
180 DX Roc beat
168 DX Roc beat
175 E Wizard
175 S Wizard Soft
175 S Wizard Soft beat

Today...
172g Champion Monster
174g Z Predator
174g Z Avenger
178g Z Buzzz
177g Drone
174g Challenger
3.5g HukLab dual mini...

I haven't done this in a while...

Champ Orc x 2(175, 175)
DX Wraith
Champ Sidewinder (174)
Champ Roadrunner (173)
Z - Predator x2 (173, 174)
Z - Buzzz x2 (177, 178)
1st run Champ Coyote (180)
DX Stingray (175)
Wizard (SS 174, S 172)


I play with some other stuff too, but this is the main load out. I think I can take out the Sidewinder, but I want to put in another Roadrunner. The Roadrunner has made me an instant roller-master! I'm finding that my hot-pink Roadrunner is starting to explore places on the course that shots don't usually reach off the tee...!

Oh yeah...DX Wraiths are the SHIZZZZ! Put down the Pro, cut up the Champion, and stop it with the Star... The DX is where it's AT!

3 x Star Wraith
1 x Star TeeRex
1 x Star Firebird
1 x Star Valkyrie
3 x Glow Roc
2 x DX Aviar
1 x Sinus AP

All max weight

Proline F'Bird
Tsunami
X-Pred
KC T'Birds (2)
SE T'Bird TL
Pro Starfire
Z-Crush
Sidewinders (2)
1st~run DX Eagle (roller)
DX Rocs (2) beat and more beat
Photon Wasp (newish)
DX Rhyno
SE Rhyno
Demon G5i
UV Challenger (stable putter)
DX Aviar P&A (main beat putter)

172 Champ Tee-Bird
171 Pro Wraith
171 Star Tee-Rex
175 SB ORC
168 CE FL
175 Champ Firebird x2
175 Champ WhippetX x2

175 Midnight Z-Buzzz
175 Star Gremlin
175 Q-Sentinel

172 SE Rhyno
172 Pro Rhyno

172 - E Illusion
161 - S illusion
172 - E Blaze
172- E Spirit
177 - E Element X
177- E Element
Proto Scream
174 S Hybrid
172 E Speed Demon
2-173 Medium Wizzard
171 - E Sabre
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

April 2006

174 D Challenger
173 Z Challenger
177 Z Wasp
178 Z Buzzz
174 Z Avenger
174 Z Predator
174 Star Tee-Rex
175 Star Wraith
175 Champion Roadrunner
175 Star Teebird
174 Star Teebird-L
175 Champion Monster
175 Champion Gator
173 Quantum Aurora (QMS)
180 Star Stingray

1 Z Flick
2 CE Firebirds
2 Champ Orcs (1 SB)
2 Champ Teebirds
2 CE Leopards
1 Champ Gator
1 SB Roc
1 Beat KC Roc
2 KC Aviars
2 S Wizards

*This Weekend*
3 Photon Challengers
1 CryZtal Challenger
2 Photon Buzzz
2 First Run Buzzz
2 Z Trackers
1 Z Xtreme
1 ESP Surge
1 Z Avenger
2 Z Predators

Here is my setup for the year. I like carry backups of my main discs in the my bag. I don't really see myself making in changes except to maybe take out the orc.

2 Star Wraiths, 167 and 170- Ones for distance and the other is for long hyzers until it gets a little beat in
2 Star Tls, both 170- Straight to slight turnovers
CE Eagle 170- Hyzers
Champ Firebird, 175- Overstable, Utility, Get out of trouble shots
X-XS 165- Big turnovers and the occasional roller
175 SB Orc- Longer hyzers, skip shots, wind, I find myself throwing this one very infrequently and i may take it out eventually

180 KC Roc- Overstable, Wind
1 new 180 DX Roc- just put it in to start breaking it in
1 newish 180 DX Roc- straight shots, thrown more than any disc except my putter
1 used 180 DX Roc- backup, straight to turnover
1 beat 180 DX Roc- turnover

2 175 KC Aviars- almost all approach shots under 250, money for shorts hyzer upshots, windy putts
2 175 Aviar putter- I can putt with either one, one is newer for short straight shots, the other is real beat for turnovers

175 SB Orc
175 Pro Orc
160 Champ Orc
171 Beat 2nd Run CE Leopard
170 New 2nd Run CE Leopard
174 Z Predator
168 1st Run Z Predator
180 S Element
175 S Element
177 Z Buzzz
175 Beat DX Aviar
175 DX Aviar
175 JK Aviar Proto
175 S Wizard Soft

Just added a new 173 gram DX Wraith. Dig this disc.
Fly's far !!!!

My bag:
2x Classic Aviar (175)
1x Aviar P&A (175)
1x JK Aviar-x (175)
1x Champ Stingbat (178)
1x First run buzzz (178)
1x Midnight Buzzz (178)
1x Starwinder (175)
3x DX Teebird (173)
1x Champ Orc (175)
1x Candy Proline Firebird (175)

Definately thinking of exchanging the 2 classics and Dx aviar for 1 or 2 KC Aviars... SOmeone trade me 1!!

-Scott Lewis

Teebirds
175 Star Very Overstable
175 Champ Overstable
173 Champ Stable
170 Champ Beat Slightly Understable
175 CE TL Understable

Firebirds
175 Champ New
175 Champ Not as new (Yeah there overstable)

Buzzes
180 Crystal Overstable
180 Crystal Straight
176 Elite X Beat

180 Medium Wizard
180 Challanger

Thinking about adding a couple of Tulsa Orcs!!

New setup:
149g DX Wraith
150g STAR Sidewinder
149g Champion Firebird (will be testing 150g STAR Firebird this weekend)
150g Champion Teebird
150g Champion Banshee
148g Proline (Champion) Leopard
167g Champion Whippet
165g STAR Gremlin
150g DX Gremlin
171g DX Gremlin
171g 10x KC Aviar
150g 4x JK Aviar-x
175g 3x JK Aviar-x

New setup:
149g DX Wraith
150g STAR Sidewinder
149g Champion Firebird (will be testing 150g STAR Firebird this weekend)
150g Champion Teebird
150g Champion Banshee
148g Proline (Champion) Leopard
167g Champion Whippet
165g STAR Gremlin
150g DX Gremlin
171g DX Gremlin
171g 10x KC Aviar
150g 4x JK Aviar-x
175g 3x JK Aviar-x

How does a 150g JK Aviar-X fly? I am very familiar with the heavy version -- a 150g sounds intriguing...

this thread never gets old does it? it's like parking in the corner at your local 7-11 and lifting the hood, showing what you've got...

purring under the hood of my texas special:

172 ESP Surge: main driver, distance, slight hyzer
167 Z Avenger: tailwind, downhill driver. more hyzer
172 X Avenger: wet conditions, forehand upshots without fade
(2) 174 Z Predator: headwind, forehand drives. thumber/tommy
173 D XL: straight, straight, straight
175 Z Xpress: turnover, roller driver

(2)177 Z Wasp: utility mid-range. 300-100ft.
177 D Wasp: wet weather mid-range, less overstable than Z
175 D Drone: forehand mid-range, short hyzer, up-n-down fast
167 Z Breeze: turnover mid-range, touch shots 250-75ft.

174 Z Challenger: short drives, upshots, headwind putter
173 D Challenger: bread winner

New setup:
149g DX Wraith
150g STAR Sidewinder
149g Champion Firebird (will be testing 150g STAR Firebird this weekend)
150g Champion Teebird
150g Champion Banshee
148g Proline (Champion) Leopard
167g Champion Whippet
165g STAR Gremlin
150g DX Gremlin
171g DX Gremlin
171g 10x KC Aviar
150g 4x JK Aviar-x
175g 3x JK Aviar-x



How is your 149g DX Wraith holding up ? Still stable ?

150g JK Aviar is a very strange beast. So floppy that it (no exaggeration) droops over your hand. It's stable enough to like a pretty good rip, and for any "touch" shots under 200 ft, it is a point-and-shoot wonder, holding any line (including severe hyzer). I basically use it for downwind or uphill app/putts & doubles mad go4it runs & quite like it. I can't wait to take it to Japan as my putter.

wow, i am sold! are they hard to find?

Only really use it for wide-open crushes & big rollers, so it hasn't made acquaintance with many trees. That being said, it's been in my bag for 3-4 weeks (4-5 rounds/week) & displays pretty much the early slight turn w/ late slight fade flight as when it was new. It does continue to skip pretty seriously after first contact if I throw my preferred low liner.

I've only ever seen one, and its in my bag. I asked John Ahart, and they are also unheard-of in Japan (land of the 150s, oh yeah, and the rising sun). Maybe ask Dave . . .


I've got a 150 Bulldog that flies pretty similarly &amp; I used to use in similar situations, but it lacks that oh-so-floppy-and-rubbery feel.

Ray-

Your experience with the DX Wraith is the same as mine, although I'm throwing the heavy ones...

I suspect I might have a little difficulty picking up one of your lite-weight biscuits and making it do tricks, but your descriptions sound like the same results I'm having.

I can't stop praising this new DX plastic enough! It's soooo stiff, yet soooo grippy! My first DX Wraith, put in the bag ~1 week after release, is just starting to flip into a headwind if thrown with hyzer. It's still a money hyzer-flipper in the calm though...

I forgot to mention - it's been run over by a car once at hole 18 @ Shillito Park in Lexington.

I LOVE THE DX Wraiths!! Bring on the DX TeeRex!

wizard
86 mold
E element
coyote
dx leopard
dx teebird
z flash
champion orc

birdie bag
advil
loose change
leaves
dirt

Champ Sidewinders out Star Sidewinders in. :D Will this trend continue for other molds?????????????

Didn't 4 me. STAR SW replaced Ch. SW & STAR Gremlin was added beside Ch. Gremlin & DX Gremlin, but the STAR Teebird, Aviar, & Firebird just didn't feel "right" for me. I am, however, looking forward to auditioning a STAR Leopard . . .

Lost and replaced a few discs...

My bag:
2x Classic Aviar (175)
1x JK Aviar-x (175)
1x Champ Stingbat (178)
1x First run buzzz (178)
1x First run Buzzz x-out (175)
1x Midnight Buzzz (178)
1x Star Gremlin(175).. this thing is a meat hook!
1x Starwinder (175)
1x DX Teebird (173)
1x Champ Orc (172)(got an ace with the other and had to retire it)
1x Star TeeRex X-out (175) Very cool so far.
1x Candy Proline Firebird (175)


a few changes.. I like the star Gremlin. It's very overstable for me. I also like the Star Teerex for headwind drives... Retired a Glow AViar and a Champion Orc because of aces since my last update! That's 3 aces now and 2 this month! :)

-Scott Lewis

after throwing a dx coyote for a few days, i believe it will be staying in the bag

: ) :

Here is my prototype bag for today:

Drivers
174g Brand Spankin' New Z-Predator
167g Z-Predator
172g Sparkle Tsunami
169g 11x KC Pro Teebird
174g CFR TL
161g CE Teebird (possibly....only for tailwinds or huge annys)

Mids (there is some overlap here, but I'm still figuring out which i like best)
180g STAR Roc
180g Beat Ching Roc
179g DX Roc
179g Midnight Buzzz
175g Champion Rhyno
175g Soft Wizard

Putters
2 175g Pro (supersoft) Rhynos

Hey Master of the DONKEY putt,I have some new 1st run ghost stamped predators you want?$$$

Hey Master of the DONKEY putt,I have some new 1st run ghost stamped predators you want?$$$


Hell yeah I want em, PM me with your price. I have some stuff for trade too.

Firebird
Orc
Tbird
Eagle-L
Glo roc
Buzzzzzzzzz
beat roc
rhyno
2x wizard

My practice bag:
2-3 Putters
3-6 Midranges (Rocs, overstable to understable and an extras for second/practice efforts)
2-3 Drivers
When I'm "practicing" on the course, I usually throw several midrange or putters on every hole, as well as a driver (if necessary). I switch to the tourney bag for practice if I'm playing with other players.

My tourney bag:
1 JK Aviar X
1 Star Aviar P&A
1 Champion Gator
3 Rocs, overstable to understable
1 Star Stingray
1 DX Leopard
2 Teebirds (T, TL)
2 Eagles (E, EL)
1 Sidewinder
1-2 SL (light or heavy)
On the side:
1 SB Orc
1 Star Wraith
1 Star Firebird

Star Aviar
Star Sidewinder
Star Baby Roc
Super Roc
Champion Glo Coyote
Pro Starfire
DX Orc 2 each

Played my best round of the year today with 4 discs.

4x JK pro Valkyrie (bar stamp)
1st run white Champion Edition Eagle EL
Ace Race GLIDE
Aviar

I threw the ace race glide for 9 of the drives, the valk for 7 and the eagle for 2. Managed a 52 at Knob Hill today which is my best round at that layout for the year.

Reminded me of the old days 10 years ago when I started playing the game. It was awesome. Especially since I had only ever thrown the Glide during the Ace Race. I think I really like that disc. Got me 3 2's out of 6 birdieable holes.

Short tees and a mix of A and B pins, Chris?

Champion Orc (main driver)
Star SL (annies)
Champion Sidewinder (roller)
E Hybrid (trying to make it my main driver, but simply don't have the arm yet. Right now, shots that are shorter than the orc)
Z Glide (shorter annies)
Star Roc (headwind/overstable mid)
Z Comet (main mid)
E Wizard (driving putter)
SS Wizard (beaten; approaches and long putts)
S Wizard (main putter)

short tees, 3 c-pins, 3 a-pins, and the rest at B pin. Hole 1 was at c also. My only 4 came on hole 10 with a putt that hit the chains and fell out. It was such a fun round, I think im gonna do it again today.....though I think I'll use 4 different discs.

I should try that again. My first 6 months playing I threw nothing but a 150 Champion Eagle and a #2 Slice that had been run over by a lawnmower. I didnt know any better. Hilarious.

I think I've got a great set up now that covers all shots.

Main Drivers:
172g Sparkle Tsunami
174g CFR TL

Utility Drivers:
167g Z-Predator
169g 11x KC Pro Teebird
175g STAR Sidewinder

Pure Distance Driver:
175g SB Orc

Mids:
180g STAR Roc
180g Beat Ching Roc
180g DX Roc
175g Champion Rhyno

Putters
2 175g Pro (supersoft) Rhynos

12 Discs, 6 Molds

Before the tsunami/preds, my best score at my home course was -1 and my average score was around +3. With the tsunami/preds, my last 3 rounds have been -3, -2, -2. I don't know if it's the arrows or the indian but if I could putt I'd be deadly.

Drivers:
Ch. Starfire(new) distance, wind
Ch. Starfire(beat) distance
STAR SL distance
11x Eagle: long hyzers
10x Eagle(new) hyzer
9x Eagle(beat) straight
CE EL(beat) turn, roll
STAR Firebird utility

Mid:
Ch. Coyote
DX Coyote(trying out and loving)
05 SB Roc go to disc
05 SB Roc(new)
Ching Roc(beat): Grenade, roller, chickenwing
Ching Roc(new) acing
Ch. Shark
STAR Aviar: hyzer
DX Aviar(new): getting beat
DX Aviar(beat): controlled turns, touch chickenwings(<250)

Putters:
2 '91 Aviar Putters

Side pocket getting tested:
STAR Starfire: I like, will probably replace Ch. Starfire
a few different eagles getting beat up.
STAR TeeRex: nice disc, but will probably be coming out

: ) :

that is an insane amount of discs!!!

Here is my everyday bag. Been playing 11 years now.

172 Champion sidewinder
172 Champion StarFire
163 CE Firebird FX
172 DX Cobra
180 SB Roc
167 Champion Coyote
169 Star Aviar
170 dx aviar
169 Pro Line Aviar for putting


what mroe could you possibly need. sidewinder is used for straight, turnover and hyzer shots. It is just so predictable for me. The Starfire is for shots when I need some hyzer at the end. Firebird for sidearms. SB roc for hyzer mids, and the coyote for straight and the cobra for right

Well the wizards are out of my bag and the Rhynos are in.

New set-up

175 SE Teebird
169 SE Teebird
171 Star TL
(3) 170 OrionLF
168 DX Roc
171 Hawkeye (1st annual)
(2) KC 11x Pro Roc
166 Pro "Soft" Rhyno
167 DX Rhyno
166 Champ Rhyno

Aviar X
Slightly Beat Champion I-Dye Viking /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
DX Wraith :cool:
Beat Dx Roc
Orion ( Great Roller Disc )
SS - Star Starfire - Gotta try this disc !!!!! :eek:
Star Wraith
Star FireBird
Champion Tee-Bird
Champion Coyote
:D

Oh.................I'm also trying the Sinus SP 174 for smashing long upshots. This disc is a Full Brick !!!! :eek:

Too much stuff in my bag, but not gonna take stuff out since I have been on fire for about 2 weeks. I am playing the best golf of my life.

Wizard
Challenger (replacing my stable Wizard that cracked)
04 CE Glow Roc
DX Roc (new)
11x Roc (slightly beat)
DX Roc (beat to crap)
X-Avenger (roller)
2 CE TL's (probably only need 1)
Pro Wraith (don't really need it)
Star Wraith (distance)
Star Teerex (still testing, getting inconsistant results)
3 Z-Predators (various stages of wear)

2 Tsu/Pred (172g Sparkle Tsu,167g Z-Pred)
3 Teebirds (175g STAR,174g CFR TL,169g 11x KC Pro)
1 175g SB Orc

3 Rocs (180g STAR, 2 180g DX - beat)
3 Rhynos (175g Champ, 2 175g Pros)

Thinking about trying out some comets.

gator
2 spiders
stratus

z-pred
star tl
roadrunner

2 dx wraiths

Update:

Latitude 64 Sinus (SP & AP)

Element (X)
Element
Drone

Teebird (CH, CE-TL)
Wraiths (DX,CFR,Star)
Predator (Z)
Teerex (Star)
Starfire (CH)

PT Woods
# 20431

150g Goblin might weasel its way into my bag. Threw it quite a bit over the weekend & it is a pretty sweet point-and-shoot approach putter that really holds any line & has a surprising amount of glide. We'll see . . .

well now that summer is here

Toilet paper - small travel container of charmain
Cottonell fresh wipes - more than just that one use...
Deep woods off - found a pump sprayer of 40 deet (skeeters are bad
KDGA Pouch - use this to keep keys and wallet in during round
Extra towel- also extra chamois
3 Minis- wanna play ultrastar ching mojo and gateway stash mini (ok 4 since the stash is really two)
Seal skins - keep them in a big ziplock so they stay fresh
Keys to the baskets - Membership has its privelages
Advil liquid gels - getting old and muscles must be kept from distracting
Ript cards - fun every once in a while
Rule book - Certified official its the law.

There are also some frisbees in there but I am not really sure what I am supposed to be doing with them apperantly so who cares... :D

1 Wraith (Star)
1 Valk (Champ)
4 Teebird (Star, Star TL, 2 Champ)
1 Leopard (Champ)
1 Coyote (Champ)
5 Rocs (Champ, SB, KC, Ching, DX)
4 Rhynos (Champ, Pro, 2 Ching)

Champion Monster
Champion TL
Candy Paint Tsunami
Z Predator
Drone
Tweaky Buzzz
Photon Challenger

havent done this in a while...

descending order of over/understability, nested within descending order of speed. i usually use a 14-16 disc combination of these, leaving several in the car, depending on the course and/or the wind. i also usually carry an extra expendable monster, teebird, and buzzz along in the trunk to use as water discs if needed.

175 star teerex
175 star wraith
174 pro wraith
173 dx wraith

175 special blend orc
171 star beast
169 z flash

175 ch monster
174 ce TL (pretty new)
174 cfr TL (perfectly worn)
174 ce TL (very beat up, very understable)

178 z wasp
178 crystal z buzzz
178 first run z buzzz
178 x buzzz
178 d buzzz (very beat up)
170 ace race '04 z glide

175 e wizard
175 s wizard firm
172 s wizard supersoft

I just rearranged my bag and I now have fewer discs and im back to all Discraft :D:D:D

174 Z Pred
174 Z Tsunami
174 Pre ESP Avenger
173 Beat Z Avenger
174 Z XL
177 Z Wasp
178 1st Run BUZZZ
174 1st Run BUZZZ
177 Beat D BUZZZ
174 D Challenger
174 Beat D Challenger
174 Soft Challenger
177 1st Run Cam Todd Challenger (Putting Only)
174 CryZtal Z Challenger

just added TL's and removed Champ Stingray

nothing but Innova -- the company that revolutionized disc golf!

Champion Starfire 172g
Tulsa SB Orc 172g
Champion Orc 171g
Pro Orc 172g (second run)
Star TL 172g
Champion TL 174g
Champion RoadRunner 174g
CE Valkyrie (beat) 175g

05 SB Roc 180g
SB Spectator Roc 173g
Glow Coyote 172g
Champion Coyote 174g
DX Stingray 179g

5x JK Aviar-x 174g
3x JK Aviar-x 171g beat

Updated: 6/4/06

Latitude 64 Sinus (SP & AP)

Element (X)
Element
Drone

Teebird (CH, CE-TL)
Wraiths (DX,CFR,Star)
Predator (X, Z)
Starfire (CH) (sidearm)

Removed a Teerex and added an X-Predator

PT Woods
# 20431

Love my Innova plastic.

I just have to work out now to keep up with the power of the Force !!!! :cool:

Innova plastic Roc's !!!!!!

" Is no shoe-da, Jeteye" :cool:

175 Pro Orc
175 SB Orc
160 Champ Orc

170 CE Leopard
170 CE Leopard Beat

174 Z Predator
167 Z Predator

174 S Element
177 Z Buzzz
180 04 Glo Champ Roc

175 Soft Wizard
175 Proto Aviar X
175 Supersoft
175 Aviar P&A

Star Wraith/ Pro Wraith (new)
Pro Wraith (semi-beat)
Star Starfire
Star TeeBird
Star TL
CFR TL (beat)
Star Sidewinder
Star or Proline Firebird

KC Roc (new & beat)
SB Roc
DX Roc

Star Aviar
CE Aviar
Aviar P&A

Star TeeRex (wind)

All in a Texas Team bag with Quads

Not that what I throw should really matter....

174 Proline Monster
170 SB Orc
166 Star Sidewinder
174 Z Tracker
180 DX Roc
170 Champ Rhyno

I thought downsizing the selection would help a little.

Nice selection !!!!

I have similar discs , but only 12 in a Revolution Mini Bag with Quad Shocks. Killer set up !!!!!
Super light weight and Strong !!!!!

Got to have a Revolution Bag with Quad Shocks !!!!!!!!!!
Probably the best Golf Bag set up around !!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
PERIOD.

Oh , and I also carry a Huk Lab Tri-fold Golf Chair/Stool.
Also Super Light Weight and Strong. :D

170 Champ. Beast (pre-Barry, flippy main driver, max D)
175 1x Beast (slight hyzers)
175 Champ. Orc (long hyzers, wind driver)
175 old ProLine Monster (spikes, thumbers, tommys)

180 2005 USDGC Roc (hyzer midrange)
180 Challenge Coyote (straight midrange)
180 flat-top Roc (anny midrange)

170 9x Aviar (putts from 40'-100')
170 4x soft JK (anything inside 40')

I got a 9x at Bushwackers for 5$. :o

To sell?

No. I GOT a 9x at Bushwackers for 5$.

Z-Predator
Blue Sparkle Tsunami
Champion Orc
Z-wasp
X-wasp
Beat Roc
Pro-Line Leopard
Beat CE Leopard
Beat Wizard
Firm Wizard

My bag has been changing a lot lately... I lost my go to driver (a beat champion orc) and I have been trying to find a replacement - I'm thinking it will be the ESP Surge.

ESP Surge
1st run Orc
Champ Orc
JK Pro Valk
Elite Z-XL
CE Leopard
2005 CE Claw Roc
DX Roc
Soft Wizard
2 Soft Challengers

I have carried everything at one point or another, and with all the new plastic out, my bag has been a bit experiemntal - but heres whats in it right now.

DX Aviar - stable, main putter
DX Aviar - beat in, turnover approach/drive
Star Aviar - stable, 200-250 backhand driver
Champ Gator - forehand approach
Z Buzzz - strait, 200-400 control backhands

10X KC Pro Eagle - stable, backhand hyzers
11X KC Pro Eagle - strait, backhand control
Champ Eagle - strait, backhand rollers
CE Eagle-L - flippy, backhand/forehand rollers
Star Starfire - stable, number one forehand driver
CFR Starfire - strait, number two forehand driver
CFR Starfire - flippy, forehand roller, turnover
Star Teebird - strait, backhand distance
Champ Teebird - stable, distance hyzers
Star TeeRex - stable, backhand max d
Star TeeRex - stable, forehand max d
KC Pro Banshee - stable, forehand control
KC Pro Gazelle - strait, long forehand approach
Pro Wraith - flippy, super long turnovers (450+)
Glo Champion Orc - stable, distance alternative
Champ Firebird - stable, forehand hyzer
Champ Firebird - crazy stable, specialty disc

Yeah - I carry a lot of discs, and it looks like I have multiple of each type of throw, but I assure you, they perform differently and I am very atune to their flights. That and I'm a disc fiend.

22 ?

How's your back , carrying all those discs ?

and only 2 midranges??? as long as you can carry them :). I used to carry like 22 discs, but that was also with 6 putters and 5or6 midranges :).

as long as it works for you.. that's all that matters.

-Scott Lewis

If you can throw a buzz 400, why do you have soo many drivers in the bag and one midrange?

Dion throws pretty darn far. I tend to not think that these are not message board distances.

still doesnt answer the question.

I wouldn't presume to answer for him. I've just seen him throw. :D

OK, haven't done this in a while.

Start from the bottom.

Omega AP (New version) - for approaches and out of my groove putts.
JK 3x Aviar - Main putter. drives and approaches.
Champion Aero - **** good disc. drives up to 300, downhill drives up to infinity. putts and approaches, especially in the wind.
Rubber Shark - Anything straight to slight turnover.
Champion Glo Coyote - straight to hyzers.
2003 CE Roc - straight shots and windy drives
Champion Stingray - straight tight shots. uphill shots.
Star Stingray - flippy mid-range.
Champion Roadrunner - turnover driver.
Champion Leopard - straight to slight turnover drives, tailwind drives.
Star TL - whereever I want it. But man, I just don't pull it out enough.
Star Wraith - booming drives.
Nightshift Orc - long straight hyzers.
Champion Starfire - Big hyzers.
Champion Monster X - Most overstable in the bag
Star TeeRex - big booming drives I need to finish right.

Always have a couple FlyDry towels on board too.

My new setup (all max weight):

Always in the bag:

1 Cam Todd Challenger - putter
2 10x KC Aviars - 1 beat, 1 new - < 250'
1 10x Roc - beat - 250' - 325' turnovers
1 Champion Coyote - new - possibly being replaced with the Star - under 350' anhyzer/straight/hyzer
1 Champion Teebird - og Champion plastic - 325'+ straight/turnover
1 11x KC Teebird or Star Teebird - new - 350'+ hyzers/straight/sidearms
1 Birdie Bag - used on 99% of my throws when its humid

Additional discs I may add depending on the course:

1 Pro Starfire L - new - possibly being replaced with the Star - pretty much everything over 400'
1 Champion Teebird TL - super flippy og Champion plastic - rollers, hyzer-flip, late anhyzers
1 10x Roc - new - 275' - 350' hyzer/straight

After taking a decent amount time away from disc golf I found that throwing a small number of discs that I know well works best for me, I think there are many others out there that could benefit from reducing the number of discs they carry.

"After taking a decent amount time away from disc golf I found that throwing a small number of discs that I know well works best for me, I think there are many others out there that could benefit from reducing the number of discs they carry."

No. Let them find out for themselfs. ;)
Some just like learning the hardway.

1 E Wizard
2 S Wizards Med (putting)
1 S Wizard Firm (very beat)

1 S Element
2 E Elements
1 S Blaze

2 E Sabre
1 E Hybrid
1 S Illusion
1 E Illusion
3 E Spirits (2 beat, 1 new)

2x 175g medium/soft Wizards (putting, they are the same, but one says medium, the other soft)

175g Dx Classic Roc (Roc with less carry, all types of shorter shots)
180g Dx Roc (Beat for turnovers, high straight shots)
180g Champion Shark (Straight/hyzer mid)
180g Star Roc (Overstable pig of a Roc)

175g QJLS (broken in, turnovers and dead stable hyzer flips)
175g Star TL (straight flyer and long gradual hyzer/anhyzer)
175g Star Teebird (main driver for hyzer finish, really overstable)
175g Champion Firebird (new and CE like, thumbers, overstable shots)
175g Star Valkyrie (very versatile distance driver)
175g Champion Starfire (more overstable than Valk)
2x 175g Star Wraiths (one beat for long turnovers/rollers, one new and quite stable)
175g Star TeeRex (overstable distance/headwind shots)

Star Wraith 175
Star Tee Rex 174
SB Orc 175
Proline Wraith 175
Champion Starfire 170 (roller)
CE Firebird 175
Star Firebird 174
Z Flick 175
Z xtreme 174
x Xtreme 175
Champion Spider 175(1st run)
Z buzz 177
JLS 175
3- JK Aviar x 175

3 spiders -putting and anything up to 275 or so
2 gators -hyzer/sidearm up to 250 or so, windy putter
stratus -rarely used, rollers, unstable

2 star tl's -main driver
2 z-preds -overstable/sidearm driver

dx beast/wraith -long roller/distance

*This Weekend*
3 Photon Challengers
1 CryZtal Challenger
2 Photon Buzzz
2 First Run Buzzz
2 Z Trackers
1 Z Xtreme
1 ESP Surge
1 Z Avenger
2 Z Predators



Things have changed once again:
Soft Magnet
2 Pro D Challs
CryZtal Chall
Buzzz-D
2 First Run Buzzz
Pro D Drone
2 Z Trackers
ESP Surge
2 Z Preds

Experimental bag for this weekend:

Drivers:
172g Sparkle Tsunami
167g Z-Predator
175g SB Orc
175g STAR TL
169g 11x KC Pro Teebird


Midranges:
180g STAR Roc
179g DX Roc
180g Ching DX Roc
180g DX Coyote
180g STAR Coyote
175g Champion Rhyno

Putters:
2 - 175g Pro Rhynos

How overstable are gators and what kind of lip do they have I put Rhynos and have a Champ that is overstable is my mid range but i need something different and a buzz dosent work or a wasp that just doesnt feel right in my hand.

I will be at the mini monday at Colonial and you can try mine out. I use 2 of them and i think they are a very good mid-range.

I work Monday's cant make until about 730 or so.

Firm Wizard (putting and stable upshots)
Med Wizard (beat up bad for understable upshots)
04 CE GLOW Roc
3 DX Rocs and 1 KC Roc (all different stages of wear to cover every possible midrange line needed)
X-Avenger (roller)
CE TL (fairway driver)
Star Wraith (distance)
Star Teerex (still testing but good for light headwinds and distance hyzer shots)
3 Z-Predators (different stages of wear to cover utility and hyzer shots)

1 beat 174g CE firebird/FX for head winds
1 new 174g Star Teebird for controlled hyzers and slight head winds
1 used 174g Star Teebird for stable drives
1 beat 172g Champion Teebird for slight turnovers
1 used DX teebird for Max D and tailwinds
1 used 180g black DX Roc for hyzers
1 used 180g Ontario Roc for stable shots, hyzer flips and tailwinds
1 new 179g Hammer for dead straight shots that don't fade
1 used 176g Hammer for turovers
1 new 174g aviar for putting and hyzer upshots
1 used 174g aviar for jump putts
1 beat 174g aviar for anhyzer putts and short drives

Plan on adding a couple KC rocs and some more beat DX rocs to replace the Hammer's...I can't afford to lose my favorite discs.

2 SE Rhynos - Putts/Short Upshots
2 Z MRV's - Midrange
2 CE Eagles - Main Driver
2 CE Valkyries - Distance Driver
2 CE Firebirds - Headwinds/Big Hyzers

1 1st Run CFR Starfire
1 Star SL
2 Wraiths (Star and CFR)
2 Teebirds (Star (butter) and KC 11x (butter))
2 Firebirds
4 Rocs 05 Spectator, 11x, 2 Ching (otherwise know as butter)
1 Champ Rhino
4 Aviar (2 10x, 1 11x, 1 Star)
. . . all max weight,

and a 110g Roc sport disc for catch and warmup prior to rounds

Champ Orc: main driver; hyzers, straight w/ fade
Dx Orc: flippy driver; hyzer flips, late anhyzers
Star Sidewinder: tailwinds, S shots, downhill
Champ Roadrunner: long turnovers, rollers
Z Avenger: hard hyzers, low drives, spike hyzers, forehand
D Venom: overhand utility shots, trouble disc

Z Wasp: short drives, hyzer midrange(200-300ft)
Esp Buzzz: straight w/ slight fade, less hyzer than wasp
Z Buzzz: wooded shots, super straight - no fade
D Buzzz: turnover midrange, short utility rollers
D Drone: short forehand, grenade, trick/utility shots

D Challenger: approaches (200ft), short rollers and drives
UV Challenger: putts

Ipod, scorecards, pencils, bugspray

Drivers:
STAR SL
CFR Starfire(original Mold)
STAR STARFIRE
CE EL
10x Eagle(hybrid plastic)
10x Eagle(hybrid plastic)
11x Eagle
CE EX

Mid:
STAR Coyote
05 SB Roc
05 SB Roc
06 "Eye" Roc 161g (because)
Ching Roc
Ching Roc
Ch. Shark

Putters:
DX Aviar(drives)
DX Aviar(drives)
'91 Aviar (putter)
'91 Aviar (putter)

All in a Carolina bag

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