Ropes definitely tighten the course, and your cheeks. :)

YELLOW ROPE!!!! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

BTW, now that we're moving toward just marking OB with stakes, stones or other items in the ground like Pro Worlds, Harold could save a lot of time and effort stringing the rope and just put the stakes in the ground. It would look better and get the job done. Half the USDGC field already has 10m tapes from their Worlds player packs.

The rope is what it is all about. Imagine playing #3 on a gusty day. It is possible to take a huge number on that birdie hole. I have seen triple circles on that hole. How about 888 with a serious crosswind? No thank you. How about the mental stress from these factors along with the magnitude of the tourney, your possible playing partners(Jenkins, Johansen, Climo), the crowd around the course moving and talking while you play, etc.? All of these things lend to a different atmosphere. I can't wait!

NOPE!!!! i like rope!!!!

The rope is what it is all about. Imagine playing #3 on a gusty day. It is possible to take a huge number on that birdie hole. I have seen triple circles on that hole. How about 888 with a serious crosswind? No thank you. How about the mental stress from these factors along with the magnitude of the tourney, your possible playing partners(Jenkins, Johansen, Climo), the crowd around the course moving and talking while you play, etc.? All of these things lend to a different atmosphere. I can't wait!



Nobody is saying that the OB will go away. Just that stakes could be used instead of miles of yellow rope. One could then use a 10m tape to determine the line between the stakes.

keep the rope, its a signiture component of the usdgc!

They'd need new white or yellow stakes though since the little green wire ones bend easily and would be hard to see.

I think it's humorous that the widely disparaged yellow rope when the USDGC started has now turned into benefit to some players. Sounds like there's hope for baskets elevated in triple trees to become beloved (as long as they are level :D)

Sorry, Chuck, didn't like the many invisible OBs at Worlds this year. Way too many were on the card, but were invisible from the tee. With the dead grass, it was extremely hard to see some of the "flip cup" OBs, like on Gold 2, 4, 7, and especially 18.

Rope rules.

who would want clearly visible OB? golfers, spectators, cameramen.... nah

With the dead grass, it was extremely hard to see some of the "flip cup" OBs, like on Gold 2, 4, 7, and especially 18.




There was supposed to be a flag or sign visible above the ground to remind players where the OB areas were located in addition to the caddybook and tee signs. But they were better marked overall than most OB areas that don't have anything projected above the ground. And I'm suggesting using visible stakes at USDGC, not stones or cups in the ground. These are visible for players, specatators, officials and for video but alot less work for the USDGC staff than rope.

We already have the rope. It is not like we have to buy more every year.

Labor isn't free although you wouldn't know it from the amount of volunteer efforts in this sport.

Keep the rope!

It adds to the intensity level when you get close to it, and I think it helps with speed of play. If we had to pull out a tape and measure every time someone was not sure it would slow things down.

Keep the rope!

It adds to the intensity level when you get close to it, and I think it helps with speed of play. If we had to pull out a tape and measure every time someone was not sure it would slow things down.



We? Do you have a mouse in your pocket my friend? You haven't even qualified yet. :DLove ya, good luck Craig!

That's how ball golf has done it for years. Players or officials pull out their string and run it between stakes for the few times it's close.

But the duty becomes a biased "measurement" because do you mark from the bottom, top, inside, outside, middle of stake... The relative nature of different players definition of the correct measurement will make for some confusing measurements on close calls.

Are you trying to disrupt my confidence going into this thing Johnny? :P :o

The relative nature of different players definition of the correct measurement will make for some confusing measurements on close calls.



The measurement is no different from where it's done right now with the string along the ground. Just like anything else that's new like yellow rope once was, it takes a little time and communication to get the message across. I remember the early USDGC when the lower string wasn't there and players were trying to claim the rope shadow was the line. :D

BTW, now that we're moving toward just marking OB with stakes, stones or other items in the ground like Pro Worlds, Harold could save a lot of time and effort stringing the rope and just put the stakes in the ground. It would look better and get the job done. Half the USDGC field already has 10m tapes from their Worlds player packs.



I fully support this idea. The rope looks kind of hokey when it's not tight, and there's way to much of it to keep it all tight! Plus it can interfere with shot which isn't good.

I think stakes will look much more professional.

On top of that a guy can trip and spill his rum and coke while trying to step over it. :o Of course this is during Saturday spectating. :D

It does keep the spectators out of your landing area

Are you trying to disrupt my confidence going into this thing Johnny? :P :o



I wouldn't do that to a friend of more than a dozen years. I'm just fueling your fire. I feel sorry for the rest of the playas trying to Q-fy. :D

I've come up with Reason #1 why I absolutely and positively NEED to play this course: Every time I look at the map and the videos I come to the conclusion that, by independently looking at each hole and countering worst case and best case and evening them out over the course of the whole course... on a hot day I should shoot a 62. On an average day a 66-68...

And then I look at it and realize that shooting one hot day like that, and the rest average like that would cash me for over $1000.00... and I *KNOW* I'm not that good. I need need need need need need need to play this course to truly get an understanding for the difficulty. It is painfully obvious to my disc golf obsessed mind that mere maps and videos can not convey whatever it is that makes this course so difficult.

I've played 960 golf all summer, and thats a 76-79 depending on the day, and looking at the holes I don't see how it is possible I could ever shoot that bad on this course. I need to play this course. My mind is not going to be at peace until I can truly comprehend the difficulty of Winthrop Gold! Oh my god my sleep deprived mind is going into convulsions!

I THINK I'M HAVING A DISC GOLF SEIZURE. SOMEBODY HELP ME. SOMEBODY skjfhasa;lkfl;sakh;lksf;llaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah



Woj, if you look at course pictures of Ottawa, it would be fairly obvious that you should be shooting at least -15 to -17 every round.

That's how ball golf has done it for years. Players or officials pull out their string and run it between stakes for the few times it's close.



Actually, and I know I've said this before, stakes are used for visual purposes on ball courses, but the hazard and OB lines are ALWAYS painted for tournaments of any substance. While working 8 years at a golf course, I painted these lines several times a year. Go to any PGA event, and you'll see the same thing. The hazard and OB lines are painted.

Stakes alone are great for everyday play. For tournaments, the lines need to be better defined than that. Paint works great.

Chap

Paint works great.




....and paint won't stop your disc from coming back IB! I know i'm not alone when i say that i've taken a stroke or two at the USDGC because of hitting the stake or the rope, which will sometimes keep the disc from coming back IB.

The cost/benefit for doing that isn't worth it in DG and paint is not environmentally appropriate (which ball golf doesn't care too much about in comparison to DG). I'm certain you aren't correct Chap because the USGA Competition Manual wouldn't specify the procedure for checking hazard/OB status using a string if paint was required. Are you sure you painted white lines along the outside property border of the whole course?

Keep the rope!

It adds to the intensity level when you get close to it, and I think it helps with speed of play. If we had to pull out a tape and measure every time someone was not sure it would slow things down.



i agree totally, why fix something thats not broken?

You don't have to string it.

I like rope...My bags heavy enough already...

Harold isn't likely to change it since it's now become part of the look and feel of the event plus he and others are willing to do the work. Bigger white stakes would probably disrupt the ground and would be better suited for permanent versus temporary markings anyway.

I've come up with Reason #1 why I absolutely and positively NEED to play this course: Every time I look at the map and the videos I come to the conclusion that, by independently looking at each hole and countering worst case and best case and evening them out over the course of the whole course... on a hot day I should shoot a 62. On an average day a 66-68...

And then I look at it and realize that shooting one hot day like that, and the rest average like that would cash me for over $1000.00... and I *KNOW* I'm not that good. I need need need need need need need to play this course to truly get an understanding for the difficulty. It is painfully obvious to my disc golf obsessed mind that mere maps and videos can not convey whatever it is that makes this course so difficult.

I've played 960 golf all summer, and thats a 76-79 depending on the day, and looking at the holes I don't see how it is possible I could ever shoot that bad on this course. I need to play this course. My mind is not going to be at peace until I can truly comprehend the difficulty of Winthrop Gold! Oh my god my sleep deprived mind is going into convulsions!

I THINK I'M HAVING A DISC GOLF SEIZURE. SOMEBODY HELP ME. SOMEBODY skjfhasa;lkfl;sakh;lksf;llaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah



Woj, if you look at course pictures of Ottawa, it would be fairly obvious that you should be shooting at least -15 to -17 every round.


Ugh.... I hate that course! *serenity now... serenity now* I've never broken a -10 on that pitch-n-putt, yet I've shot -13 at Vienna, -10 at Rolling Hills, -12 at Willow (all short tees)... Screw Shottawa man...

I've come up with Reason #1 why I absolutely and positively NEED to play this course: Every time I look at the map and the videos I come to the conclusion that, by independently looking at each hole and countering worst case and best case and evening them out over the course of the whole course... on a hot day I should shoot a 62. On an average day a 66-68...

And then I look at it and realize that shooting one hot day like that, and the rest average like that would cash me for over $1000.00... and I *KNOW* I'm not that good.



So come on down. Shooting a 62 will get you a spot on Monday easily. A 62 is nothing. Don't go OB all round. Make sure to get the 3 easiest holes 1,7,17 and all you have left is to birdie 3 more. Should be no problem.

Forget the yellow rope. Forget the fact a past World Champ took a 21 on 17 ( back when it was real easy) or that another top pro recorded a 20 on 888. Don't listen to those folks talking about the constant wind, they're exagerating. Walking a course that's what, 2 to 3 miles long? no problem. It's just a course, a course with alot of silly yellow rope. Yellow rope and some water. OK alot of yellow rope and alot of water, but still just yellow rope and water. And long holes. Long tight holes with lots of obstacles. Lots of obstacles. Lots of yellow rope. Lots of water.

But it'll just be you and the course. Well not exactly just you. There will be alot of top pros there also. Practicing, watching you. Lots of people watching you. Top pros, volunteers, spectators, staff. Just you, all those folks and the course. Did I mention the yellow rope? the water? the long, real long tight holes with obstacles?

Yeah shooting a 62 should be a piece of cake.

Will there be any disc vendors on sight other than the USDGC pro shop? I am in search of some Champion Cobras anyone out there have any that they would part with?

I've come up with Reason #1 why I absolutely and positively NEED to play this course: Every time I look at the map and the videos I come to the conclusion that, by independently looking at each hole and countering worst case and best case and evening them out over the course of the whole course... on a hot day I should shoot a 62. On an average day a 66-68...

And then I look at it and realize that shooting one hot day like that, and the rest average like that would cash me for over $1000.00... and I *KNOW* I'm not that good.



So come on down. Shooting a 62 will get you a spot on Monday easily. A 62 is nothing. Don't go OB all round. Make sure to get the 3 easiest holes 1,7,17 and all you have left is to birdie 3 more. Should be no problem.

Forget the yellow rope. Forget the fact a past World Champ took a 21 on 17 ( back when it was real easy) or that another top pro recorded a 20 on 888. Don't listen to those folks talking about the constant wind, they're exagerating. Walking a course that's what, 2 to 3 miles long? no problem. It's just a course, a course with alot of silly yellow rope. Yellow rope and some water. OK alot of yellow rope and alot of water, but still just yellow rope and water. And long holes. Long tight holes with lots of obstacles. Lots of obstacles. Lots of yellow rope. Lots of water.

But it'll just be you and the course. Well not exactly just you. There will be alot of top pros there also. Practicing, watching you. Lots of people watching you. Top pros, volunteers, spectators, staff. Just you, all those folks and the course. Did I mention the yellow rope? the water? the long, real long tight holes with obstacles?

Yeah shooting a 62 should be a piece of cake.


Gee, thanks for being a sarcastic jerk. I just said repeatedly in that very post that I need to play it because I know already I'm not that good. I wish I could make it down to try my hand on it because I *WANT* to see what makes it so hard.

-10 at Rolling Hills,

no you havent

I *WANT* to see what makes it so hard.


I think Rick just told you

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I'm not that good. I wish I could make it down to try my hand on it because I *WANT* to see what makes it so hard.



I'm not a good play either.


Yes you must play this course. As an average amateur my son (11 yrs old now) and I have played the gold course on spectator day for the last two years. We had been playing Disc Golf a total of 6 months our first year. I think we shot in the 130�s. Last year was in the 80�s. And that includes a 2 on hole # 3 for my son.

Believe everthing you have heard about this course.

I *WANT* to see what makes it so hard.


I think Rick just told you



Yep. Believe it all. I have 2 practice rounds and 8 competitive rounds on the Gold course. In 10 rounds 63 is my best, and 76 is my worst.

I'd be happy with that range. Of course a lot more in the 60s would be nice.

Rick seems to like to take the grumpy, seen-it-all, heard-it-all, squash-your-dreams approach to MB postings.... Think nothing of it.

i like to laugh at it... i like sarcasm... and ol ricky

I *WANT* to see what makes it so hard.


I think Rick just told you



Yep. Believe it all. I have 2 practice rounds and 8 competitive rounds on the Gold course. In 10 rounds 63 is my best, and 76 is my worst.




I'd be happy with that range. Of course a lot more in the 60s would be nice.



Oh, i am. 5 of the 8 competitive rounds were in the 60's. Of course, the course has become harder since the 02 and 03 USDGC's.

Looking forward to seeing you play well this year. I think the course plays a little bit easier for power lefties like Scott Martin and Craigy Leyva.

Yeah right, did you see my scores for the last couple years!

This course is as tough as everything being written about it. You will never really grasp that concept until you have putted out on the last hole.

Yeah right, did you see my scores for the last couple years!



Imagine how much higher they would have been if you were a righty. :D

Considereing that only righties have won this event, I think that a good portion of the holes favor us.

I wish that I could play tihs course right handed with equal ability, I think that I would be able to play it about the same.

i like to laugh at it... i like sarcasm... and ol ricky



RB is da man, are you kiddin' me? :D

Anyone know when the tee time signup sheet will be posted for the spectator day rounds? If I remember from last year. There was an email address you submitted your request to, which got you on the list.

One more, is spectator day covered under the VIP pass or do you have to buy a day pass? Both years I forgot to wear my VIP pass and had to buy day passes.

The cost/benefit for doing that isn't worth it in DG and paint is not environmentally appropriate (which ball golf doesn't care too much about in comparison to DG). I'm certain you aren't correct Chap because the USGA Competition Manual wouldn't specify the procedure for checking hazard/OB status using a string if paint was required. Are you sure you painted white lines along the outside property border of the whole course?



We painted white lines around the areas defined as OB. We didn't paint around the entire property, because there were places even a bad golfer couldn't hit a ball. Normally, we didn't have to repaint those as often, as the white lines didn't get mowed as much (they were typically in the rough). But yes, we painted all white lines for OB, yellow lines for direct hazards, and red lines for lateral hazards. Also, we painted white lines around areas considered to be ground under repair. There are many brands of non-toxic marking paint that are safe for use on golf courses, and I guarantee you that most golf courses are sensitive to that.

Most disc golf courses only have to have such paint lines once a year for big tournaments. The cost is built into the budget of any tournament. Any PDGA major absolutely should have painted (or strung) lines for OB, unless there is something else that clearly defines the OB. Even Harold started painting the lines at USDGC after the first year when they just had ropes. There were several instances of where some players were using the shadow of the rope to determine the OB line (of course, that shadow line will move over the course of the day), and some players were using plumb bobs. Basically, a paint line took care of those issues.

To me, the cost of using paint or string to clearly mark OB lines once or twice a year is worth it. It's more clear, it's more fair, and it speeds up play. For everyday use, stakes are fine.

And I know I'm right that they use paint for the PGA events as well. The PGA Championship is back at Hazeltine in 2009. Go check it out, or check out any other tour event on TV.

Chap

I don't believe Harold has been using paint but using a small gauge string along the bottom of the stakes as the official line.

To me, the cost of using paint or string to clearly mark OB lines once or twice a year is worth it. It's more clear, it's more fair, and it speeds up play.



It's an unnecessary cost and needless time that TDs and staff do not get paid for just like marking the 10m circles. As long as stable marks are there like stakes, posts or rocks, and there's not another type of line like cement/grass, it should become the player's responsibility for the 1 in 100 OB calls that might need a measurement. If no string, then benefit of the doubt to the player.

Chuck,

I don't mean to jump square in your cornflakes but ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I personally know a Hall of Famer at last years USDGC had 19 (I might be off a few but not many here) OB strokes in one round that most if not all were less than 2 inches OB.

Can you imagine if a group had to stop and check 19 times in one round?

The string is an excellent way to define the OB. It saves a lot of questioning during a round.

Kirk

LIke the captain said....

I personally know a Hall of Famer at last years USDGC had 19 (I might be off a few but not many here) OB strokes in one round that most if not all were less than 2 inches OB.





The main reason I HATE artificial OB.....but I'm not getting into that again this year.

why did you post?

: ) :

cuz thats what I like to do

Robert,

Why would it be any different if it were a lake and you were only an inch or two OB?

Kirk

Please remember that if you argue with me it only means that you are wrong.

Robert,

Why would it be any different if it were a lake and you were only an inch or two OB?

Kirk



b/c the lake is a natural obstabcle that unless a freak drought / freak downfall come near the tournament will be the same every time you play the course

the tournament will be the same every time you play the course



think of it as a different course

: ) :

Its the same from practice round, to tourney round to spectator round...Oh yeah, It plays the same for everyone, every round! -Biggie Smalls 1994.

Most players say hole 5 at USDGC is the best hole on the course if not the best hole in the world.

Where is the rope on that hole?

Robert,

While that is true I believe that the intention of the artificial OB at USDGC is intended to level the playing field.

Ask Larry Leonard. He has said at numerous USDGC's that he is glad the rope is there because it gives him a chance to compete with the guys that can crush the disc.

It takes away the element of sheer power and brings in the control game.

I have witnessed a round there where the person threw only a Roc for all drives and approaches. That round score was a 68. Granted it was during practice and there was less pressure to play well. However it proved that you didn't have to throw 450' to 500' drives every single throw.

Kirk

While that is true I believe that the intention of the artificial OB at USDGC is intended to level the playing field.





I understand why it is there.

Understanding something and agreeing with it are two seperate things.

and hole five fits all characteristics for a great hole...
Par is correct, hole is scenic, score spread, difficulty, risk reward, lefty and righty advantages, fair green, mnicured FAIRway, great tee and basket placement, water, options, shot variation from start to finish, spectator friendly, length.

Robert,

Hole 5 does have rope. It is in place if you throw too far.

If you are referring to where the hole has water to the left and road to the right that is the natural equivalent of yellow rope.

There are many holes out there that if there weren't any rope you could grip lock the disc and throw a crappy drive and still end up with a decent score on the hole.

The rope is there to force you to throw to a certain place. Not to grip it and rip it.

Kirk

Actually, the rope on 5 is spectator rope...not ob.

Robert,

If you understand why it is there yet you don't agree with it then please explain how you would level the playing field at the Winthrop Gold Course???

Kirk

Robert,

Hole 5 does have rope. It is in place if you throw too far.

If you are referring to where the hole has water to the left and road to the right that is the natural equivalent of yellow rope.

There are many holes out there that if there weren't any rope you could grip lock the disc and throw a crappy drive and still end up with a decent score on the hole.

The rope is there to force you to throw to a certain place. Not to grip it and rip it.

Kirk



Yes Kirk, I'm very aware of this. But is rope needed on 3? What about on 18? Is an island green with NO bailout on 17? What about 16? Isn't 8 tough enough already?

Rope is only needed on (referring to last year's layout) 4, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

Rope on these holes take away the big arm aspect.

Adding rope on 16 GIVES the big arms an advantage b/c they don't have to throw distance drivers on the hole and then lessens the chance of the disc hyzering out.

Actually, the rope on 5 is spectator rope...not ob.



Then someone took an OB stroke last year that they didn't need to take.

Rope only makes a difference to longer throwers if they are willing to take the risk driving, and getting a shorter approach to a more technical green.

Just my opinion.

you should hurry up and contact harold so you can help him make these changes for this year

I am a big proponent of natural OB's myself but the yellow rope at Rock Hill gives me (short arm thrower) a chance to win....If it wasn't for the rope the biggest gorilla's would win every time due to the length of the par 4's and 5's.

The one thing I really hate about the yellow rope is other tournaments trying to copy it to try and get a USDGC feel to their event.....It works in Rock Hill but anywhere else it's ridiculous.

I agree Kevin about the big arm thing, which is I feel that 4, 9, 10, 11, and 12 are the only holes that need rope.

Rope on 3, 8, 16, 17(meaning the bales) and 18 is just silly in my opinion

Hole 3 - yes it is needed. It forces the player to throw a good shot. Without the rope it is very easy to throw a really bad drive and still get a par.

Hole 18 is another great example along the lines of the grip lock I described in a previous post.

Hole 17 was a little too small last year and I have been informed that the USDGC crew has addressed that issue this year.

I believe the rope in between 8 and 16 is intended to keep each of those fairways distinct.

As for the rope on the left side of 16 it is there to make you make a good shot. Also, you can throw a disc straight down the middle there and never worry about the rope on either side of 16.

In the grand scheme of things I am not a big arm and if I could force myself to throw an approach disc 300' everytime I could easily shoot a 68. That is if I could learn to putt.

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)


Throw a Max. I've found that throwing it with a fan grip hard and aiming at about 25-30 degrees to the right in that situation with a very overstable high speed driver is incredibly reliable. Try it out.

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)



I couldn't agree more with this...when the wind is coming right at you on that hole there is nothing you can really do to throw a precision shot. If you try to float a midrange or a putter down there the wind will throw it way to the right or to the left. And when you throw a Roc or somethin a little to hard you'll land in the water. It is total luck and I hope they change it this year...

17 was my least favorite hole of the year...Including every course i played, ever...It was bogus...

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)


Throw a Max. I've found that throwing it with a fan grip hard and aiming at about 25-30 degrees to the right in that situation with a very overstable high speed driver is incredibly reliable. Try it out.




You'd be reteeing. you'd hit a cedar just off the tee.

Last year I thought I had it figured out in the qualifier, smooth it with a driver (Starfire) and just let it go right and stick. It went straight. LUCKILY my second stayed in. I got a 5.

One problem is you are in a windless area with only the flag as your wind gauge. That's not enough with a small green like last year. It was tough.

You'd be reteeing. you'd hit a cedar just off the tee.



Exactly....

I went 2,2,5,2 on that last year. I'd be happy to repeat that...God I hope it's changed this year

I think Harold is leaning more toward what we did at Highbridge on our island hole HG16 at Worlds. It's like ball golf islands where there's a bailout area if you want to play conservative, especially if it's windy. I'll be interested to see what he comes up with.

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)


Throw a Max. I've found that throwing it with a fan grip hard and aiming at about 25-30 degrees to the right in that situation with a very overstable high speed driver is incredibly reliable. Try it out.




LMAO....Good tips for the Rookie Pro KMack! :D:D

Why can't they just have a 1' wide strip of grass before the back string that is at least 1" taller than the scalped green. I think that would at least attempt to stop some of the shots that just land inside the bales and slide all the way out the back to the water. I know that happened to me like 4 times last year!

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)


Throw a Max. I've found that throwing it with a fan grip hard and aiming at about 25-30 degrees to the right in that situation with a very overstable high speed driver is incredibly reliable. Try it out.




LMAO....Good tips for the Rookie Pro KMack! :D:D



Yeah I think I will be staying away from the ole MAX on that hole ;) Schick don't you think about throwing an Z Extreme on that hole? :D

CWoJ I really wasn't trying to be sarcastic, not yet anyway.
I'm trying to let you know what happens when I play the course set up in the Championship format. I actually play this course year round and more than any other.

There are so many variables that come into play with the rope, water, pressure, weather being the most dominant. And yes you do need to play it at least once. There are few courses in this world that will humble you like Winthrop Gold.

I don't believe Harold has been using paint but using a small gauge string along the bottom of the stakes as the official line.



String or paint are both fine. Both clearly define the line.

Chap

Bring on the string!

I am flying into Charlotte around 2:00pm on the 30th. Any chance there is someone else coming in around then that might be able to give me a lift to the Wingate?

Probably, If you get rid of the word "Frolf"

Tell'em Hero

Countdown to Caddy book availability???

Soon, son, Soon...

Look at last year's. There's very liTTle that is changing. Hole 9, big wall. Hole 15, same but beTTer TTrimmed. 17 will change, but not decided yet. Everything else is the same AFAIK.

want me to put up last years?

Probably, If you get rid of the word "Frolf"



I guess I'll find my own way then. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif It was Frolf to me when I started, and it will always be so. Not to mention I kind of enjoy it when people want to correct me. ;)


FROLF IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 is the worst hole out there....I hope there is a better bailout area this year...If the wind is in your face with that elevation, there is absolutely NO skill involved with landing it in the circle. It's total luck!

Throwing down hill into a head wind gives the player little if no control of what the disc is going to do. Distance control is out the window, your shot is in the hands of the disc golf gods. ;)


Throw a Max. I've found that throwing it with a fan grip hard and aiming at about 25-30 degrees to the right in that situation with a very overstable high speed driver is incredibly reliable. Try it out.




LMAO....Good tips for the Rookie Pro KMack! :D:D



Yeah I think I will be staying away from the ole MAX on that hole ;) Schick don't you think about throwing an Z Extreme on that hole? :D


*shrug* It works brilliantly on those sorts of holes in those conditions. I didn't know about that specific tree, but it was just an idea.

But don't you worry about me Schickster, gimme two or three years and I'll start giving you guys reason to sweat. Next year at Kingston ol' fella. Next year at Kingston.

want me to put up last years?

Yes, Please.

sjur.

[quote*shrug* It works brilliantly on those sorts of holes in those conditions. I didn't know about that specific tree, but it was just an idea.

But don't you worry about me Schickster, gimme two or three years and I'll start giving you guys reason to sweat. Next year at Kingston ol' fella. Next year at Kingston.

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Just busting your balls Woj, dont't get sensitve on me! :D

I will have this year's up soon enough. sooon enough.

Schweb, all you have to do is go to the USDGC site to get it! I thought you were a pro web surfer?

Do you want to be my caddy on Monday? :) I know that you will be there.

[quote*shrug* It works brilliantly on those sorts of holes in those conditions. I didn't know about that specific tree, but it was just an idea.

But don't you worry about me Schickster, gimme two or three years and I'll start giving you guys reason to sweat. Next year at Kingston ol' fella. Next year at Kingston.



Just busting your balls Woj, dont't get sensitve on me! :D

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Who's gettin sensitive, I'm tryin' to set up a potential sidebet for the course I just can't seem to lose at ;o) That is the tournament I am planning on playing Open in for the first time (sanctioned).

(immediately following whoopin' it up at Bell's Worlds and at the tail end of a summer where I kick some [censored] at every Advanced tournament I see, including RAPING THE HELL out of the Discraft West course at Hambrick!)

Bring it Woj!

*grin* We'll have to come up with a wager when we come around to next August. Make sure to remind me!

Is it true that Val Jenkins qualified for the USDGC?? How did this happen?!?!

Val qualified as the 2007 Women's Open World Champion http://usdgc.com/files/2007qualify.pdf


Take care,


Harold Duvall

I saw Phil Arthur yesterday, looks like he will be in the mix on Monday as well.

Val qualified as the 2007 Women's Open World Champion http://usdgc.com/files/2007qualify.pdf

Take care,

Harold Duvall



The info there is in black&white congrats again on the Win Val!! Give'm hell at the USDGC!!

Has a woman ever cashed at the USDGC?
Does anyone think Val has a chance to do so?

Juliana cashed in 2001, I think.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=2734

50th, Last cash, $83 (last was split 3 ways, so it was a $250 last cash).

Tied with Todd Branch and some kid named Nate Doss.

Has a woman ever cashed at the USDGC?
Does anyone think Val has a chance to do so?



Yes and Yes.

Juliana cashed in 2001, I think.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=2734

50th, Last cash, $83 (last was split 3 ways, so it was a $250 last cash).

Tied with Todd Branch and some kid named Nate Doss.


Nate Doss, there's a kid that never fulfilled his potential.

Last cash played at 995, 997 and 1004 the last three years at USDGC. Val hasn't put together four rounds in one event at that level yet, even if you take her best four rounds out of seven at Worlds. Juliana shot in the high 990s the year she cashed when her rating was 965 and Val hasn't reached that rating yet. Her four best rounds in the past year average 1004.

yes but it is easier for a woman to shoot that high at this course by simply (for lack of a better word) keeping the disc inbounds.

Several can consistently throw 300+ but I don't think any typically throw Rocs that far.

Last cash played at 995, 997 and 1004 the last three years at USDGC. Her four best rounds in the past year average 1004.


so if she play's the best golf for her this year she will cash! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif i love numbers

Several can consistently throw 300+ but I don't think any typically throw Rocs that far.



so she can't throw a driver hyzer accurate?

I'd be willing to bet $$$ that Val can throw a Roc 300 feet.

"Can" versus doing it as her standard throw like many Open pros is a different scenario. Blue level players may be more accurate with drivers in the 300+ range because they have to be. That's Harold's whole theory with the USDGC design - those who throw in the 300ft range can still do well there if they can stay IB. Easier said than done however...

Last cash played at 995, 997 and 1004 the last three years at USDGC. Val hasn't put together four rounds in one event at that level yet, even if you take her best four rounds out of seven at Worlds. Juliana shot in the high 990s the year she cashed when her rating was 965 and Val hasn't reached that rating yet. Her four best rounds in the past year average 1004.


WOW, chuck kennedy. you are one to talk.

this year I have been lucky enough to have played several PracTice rounds as well as many non-disc related activities with burl and val in the SPIRIT. I think val easily has the talent to cash, look at the course and look at her statistics, she can throw around 400 (i'm not exactly sure how far) and she's accurate. she's a good putter.

WHEN val keeps it in bounds she'll cash... just like every other person who cashes has done. this course cares not of your gender. GO VAL. and last time I checked i thought the rating system had flaws in it. OH YA! it still does! :eek:

OH MY GAWD DID BARSBY JUST SAY THAT!
HEH HEH, yep.

Gregg....Way to go! Tell em!

Val has the talent, the accurcy + distance and like Gregg said, is a very good putter!

Gregg, Jr and I picked you as our favorite for the WIN this weekend at the Pan man.....BAM!

We will not be there, but we will be in spirit!

NorCal Rocks!

If you notice, I didn't say she would or wouldn't cash. I just gave the facts. It would be fine if she plays well enought to cash just like Juliana did. I root for all to do their best.

If you notice, I didn't say she would or wouldn't cash. I just gave the facts. It would be fine if she plays well enought to cash just like Juliana did. I root for all to do their best.


Ok, then why did you choose to use a negative stance on this issue, saying that she has NOT done well enough. Instead of saying that she indeed CAN play well enough to cash.

I'd say thats not "rooting" for val.
that's just my 2 cents chuck.

and a wooden nickel.

She has not done well enough. Simply a fact. Her four highest rated rounds in the past twelve months were in four separate events and her best four out of seven in one event come up short of the current cash line. Everyone can certainly improve and her rating is creeping up a few points at a time but it's still short of the rating Juliana had when she cashed and the cash bar was a little lower. If she reads this and it throws down the challenge to go for it, that's even better. Heck, who knows if the practice round Hos and I played showing her the Woodland Bear holes a week before Worlds might have helped her including how to handle the dreaded triple tree hole. Val's a friend and I wish her the best.

Maybe your ratings for Val are different than when you rated Juliana at 965? Maybe the course is playing a lot different (it's been 6 years), and maybe the ssa affected the scores Juliana got in 2001, and Val gets in 2007?

The gist of this is, EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED. There is no statistics that can compare Juliana in 2001 and Val in 2007, simply because the equations, discs, courses, and scenarios have all changed.

Everything has changed but the good ole boy network...

Ratings have inflated slightly since then partly with the doubling, the course is somewhat tougher than 2001 and the average competition is tougher based on ratings. Just the facts.

Probably, If you get rid of the word "Frolf"



I guess I'll find my own way then. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif It was Frolf to me when I started, and it will always be so. Not to mention I kind of enjoy it when people want to correct me. ;)


FROLF IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Frolf it up, Frolf it up, Frolf it up!!!! :D:D:D

I'm rooting for you SIR FROLF ALOT !!! :D

I know I'm pulling for Val to do great. Her and Avery are good people. She has an edge on the Mental area.

Go Val
Mini Thumber

Ratings are fluffed at the USDGC anyway by a good 15 pts or so because of all the 1000+ rated players, so she could play at a 'normal' 975-980 rating and have them fluffed up to 995 or so, and therefore ca$h...
I think she'll bust out at least one round rated over 1010.

Why isn't Val posting on this thread?

I watched a good part of Val's Monday Qualifying attempt last year.It was impressive the way she was strategically going after alot of those holes. I believe she shot a 71 (I shot worse 3 times in the tourney last year :o). She is definitely capable of cashing! First she will win the USWDGC!

8 days and counting until I leave for Charlotte...WOOHOO!! :D

I cant wait to see everyone there!!

Hey TANK, how is your monkey gonna help in the FLIP CUP event? No need to bend over when flippin a cup, if your monkey is UP.

Ratings are fluffed at the USDGC anyway by a good 15 pts or so because of all the 1000+ rated players, so she could play at a 'normal' 975-980 rating and have them fluffed up to 995 or so, and therefore ca$h...
I think she'll bust out at least one round rated over 1010.



q4t

Yeah Flip cup. Lesli and Val and I were just remembering (well sort of) last years flip cup
F U N !!!!!

If you notice, I didn't say she would or wouldn't cash. I just gave the facts. It would be fine if she plays well enought to cash just like Juliana did. I root for all to do their best.


Ok, then why did you choose to use a negative stance on this issue, saying that she has NOT done well enough. Instead of saying that she indeed CAN play well enough to cash.

I'd say thats not "rooting" for val.
that's just my 2 cents chuck.


I'm rooting for Barsby at this event... if only because of the throw that didn't leave his hand at Hambrick's final 9. *grin* Most entertaining person in the final 9.

LOL.....Me too! :cool:
Gregg is very entertaining, interesting and very DISConcerting all at once! :eek:
NorCal Rocks!! :D

Hey TANK, how is your monkey gonna help in the FLIP CUP event? No need to bend over when flippin a cup, if your monkey is UP.



My monkey isn't neccesary for flip-cup, my man. I'm just a self-made millionare at ALL drinking games.

I will be captaining the Mens field this year to try and take down some fierce ladies, AGAIN! I beleive ValariZZel, my drinking game nemisis, will be spearheading the ladies team.

Actually, I believe we tied at 4 games a piece last year...

They have added a Ace to their line-up this year Katy Schreder, Peavy and Mrs. Brinster will be in attendance also, so we have our work cut out for us! I'm confident though, with Schweb, FriZZaks, Peckham, myself and a few others, WE GOT DIS!

Don't know if we'll let Yeti play again.. Anchor my booty, more like a crutch... Just kiddin' Yeti, Sorta...

PS. Anyone that has a great partner for FriZZbeer, bring it on! See if you can take down the Undeafeated and Undisputed 2007 World FriZZbeer Champions, Val and I....

Hey, you can't beat her, Join her! :D

See you Friggin' FriZZy's soon!

Almost 4 inches of pure monkey..OUT!

Wonder if that security guard that was in love with Val will be there this year. That was creepy! :D

That was creepy, He got off shift and changed cloths and started drinking beer and hanging out with us. Hell, I would've done the same.

By the end of the night he wouldnt leave Val alone so I told that guy, "It's time for you to go", He said "Really", I said "Yup, see ya dude"!

And he left...I wasn't headin' to bed til I knew that dude was gone, He was trying to get all over Val...

Heck, It was only 2:45am... :confused:

Almost missed my tee time the final day, Thank you, again, anynomous golf Cart driver dude for the shuttle ride...

I'll get some flipcup practice the weekend prior at the Beerlympics, while the rest of y'all battle at the Nest.

I will be ready to Rally, Monkey Man. Hey, you should throw a Skeeter, then you'd be Skeeter and the Monkey Man. (a Traveling Wilburys tune)

Hey TANK, how is your monkey gonna help in the FLIP CUP event? No need to bend over when flippin a cup, if your monkey is UP.



My monkey isn't neccesary for flip-cup, my man. I'm just a self-made millionare at ALL drinking games.

I will be captaining the Mens field this year to try and take down some fierce ladies, AGAIN! I beleive ValariZZel, my drinking game nemisis, will be spearheading the ladies team.

Actually, I believe we tied at 4 games a piece last year...

They have added a Ace to their line-up this year Katy Schreder, Peavy and Mrs. Brinster will be in attendance also, so we have our work cut out for us! I'm confident though, with Schweb, FriZZaks, Peckham, myself and a few others, WE GOT DIS!

Don't know if we'll let Yeti play again.. Anchor my booty, more like a crutch... Just kiddin' Yeti, Sorta...

PS. Anyone that has a great partner for FriZZbeer, bring it on! See if you can take down the Undeafeated and Undisputed 2007 World FriZZbeer Champions, Val and I....

Hey, you can't beat her, Join her! :D

See you Friggin' FriZZy's soon!

Almost 4 inches of pure monkey..OUT!

Dont forget the Ladies will also have my beTTer half, TThe Shlee, who can Flip wit da best of dem

TThe Shlee, almost took a Hungy off me last year...Can't wait to see Mr. & Mrs. RumJugs...

We will be VICTORIUS!!!!

and ju know dis....MAN

We will also hace the Candian connection....if he is up for it....Mr Sullivan.

You know Sully is on da TTeam

fo sho

get it done son!!!

this year at MSDGC, the first Bracket frizbeer event was held...We had 14 teams i think, double elinination...A frizzak/manunit team took first in a sick grudgematch against the Po'Boys.

It's good to know Val and TanK, Skunked the MSDGC champs... :D

Yeaherrrrrrrr....R u microteLLin tank?

I think he is looking for accomodations, or some peeps to share with.

I may only be a 965 rated disc golfer but im a 1050 rated flip cupper!!!

that will be tested on several occasions b4 the Playa's Party.

Monday is going to be wild.

There have been quite a few names tossed around on here as to who going to try and qualify. I also noticed alot of folks who are going to be in Charlotte the weekend before from around the country who have yet to qualify. Add to that I've gotten a few phone calls and emails over the past 3-4 days from other folks coming down. You may want to add 2 more former World Champs to the list.

For those already in and those who just want to watch some great golf, Monday is shaping up to be one of the most intense days of Disc Golf period.

Predictions.
A lefty gets in.
A former World Champ gets in.
1 1000+ rated player whos not a lefty or former champ gets in.
2 players under a 1000 get in.
Alot of players go home knowing they were 1 to 3 strokes off of making the cut.
Low round 62.
67 is the cut.

Caddy Book should be released tomorrow. Get ready!

Who are the former World Champs?

Whats the list of people that are planning on Q'ing Monday?

guessing Hammock... Des?

Stan (if he doesnt get the spot @ the CLT Open)

If any spectators are perusing this thread, you can now sign up for tee times for Spectator Day on Sunday.

http://www.usdgc.com/?page_id=87

Forgot altogether that Stan was trying Monday if he doesn't get the CO spot. Needless to say he wasn't one of the ones I spoke to.

That makes what, 4 former World Champs on Monday? Plus a whole lotta real good players. Plus I see Larry Leonard is playing Charlotte. Is he going to try and qualify? Another one to watch out for. Two 3rd place finshes at the USDGC.

Kevin, no tee times between 9:45 and 11:00??

oops

I think he is looking for accomodations, or some peeps to share with.



I am...

List all the players that we know are going to be there on Monday?

hammock
leyva
lieviska
bennet
phil arther
jimi land
Disc PIMP
stan mcdaniel
des reading
and........

FWIW others from Charlotte (not including Stan since he already made the list)

Rob Kelly
Henry
Ant
Rossini

McRee
C Lee
Yoo
LL?

McRee
C Lee
Yoo
LL?


really, WOW!!!! Monday is gonna be CRAZY!!!!!
forget the event, this is the drama you need to film....LOL....

i got cale, bennet, leyva, disc pimp, and Nikko I think i going to walk with disc pimp to keep him in bounds

that's surprising that he hasn't qualified. he's a darn good player



There are several players that Q-fied this year that didn't send in their entry. This year's Monday round will be as intense for some as the actual championship.

My vote for this years winner: It's <font color="red"> Chee</font>berger <font color="red">Chee</font>berger's year ! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeburger_Cheeburger)




Monday is going to be wild.

There have been quite a few names tossed around on here as to who going to try and qualify. I also noticed alot of folks who are going to be in Charlotte the weekend before from around the country who have yet to qualify. Add to that I've gotten a few phone calls and emails over the past 3-4 days from other folks coming down. You may want to add 2 more former World Champs to the list.

For those already in and those who just want to watch some great golf, Monday is shaping up to be one of the most intense days of Disc Golf period.

Predictions.
A lefty gets in.
A former World Champ gets in.
1 1000+ rated player whos not a lefty or former champ gets in.
2 players under a 1000 get in.
Alot of players go home knowing they were 1 to 3 strokes off of making the cut.
Low round 62.
67 is the cut.



I think Monday is going to be AWESOME, and a learning experience to those that Q-fied early in the year and didn't pay, and didn't golf well enough to get in on Monday!

Anybody have extra 10x Aviars that they could bring to the DGC to sell me? Is so, what kinda shape are they in and how much you want for them?

hammock
leyva
lieviska
bennet
phil arther
jimi land
Disc PIMP
stan mcdaniel
des reading
and........



J land gonna take it down

really looking for my first time at the USDGC

I think a 60 will be shot on Monday.

When will the caddy book be ready?

Why you got a caddy?

I'm wrapping it up right now... by 5, I would say.

It depends if my friend James Lebaube qualifies on Monday or not. If he doesn't qualify then he will be my caddy.

We going to have live scoring for Monday :D

We going to have live scoring for Monday :D



That would be sweet!

they usually post what people shoot after they come in.

I thought they posted/updated your score on the Internet every 6 holes?

they do that for the tournament, not for monday qualifying.

Oh, my bad...thanks MTL.

James is a good guy.

Caddy book now available.
http://www.usdgc.com

wow....no more thumber thumber on 15.... I thought that was a decent risk reward.

THANK YOU!

Thank Matt Peckham. He is the master behind the caddy book.

Harold helped too. Couldn't have done it without him.

Played tonight. Only got through 16 - it was too dark to see the basket from a decent drive. Started out 3 over after 4, but worked back to par. Putting was atrocious. Lots of missed birdie putts.

Got up and down on 9 from inside one of the tripod bases of the big wall. those things are an awesome obstacle.

Only really screwed up first drive on 3, but putting was cold. First birdie on 9, then 13, and 14. No bogeys after 4.

All baskets are not in place yet, should be good to go tomorrow afternoon or Saturday. I threw hyzer to the beach hole (after a regular drive to the grassy location) and splashed sand. Parked. I love the hyzer line on that hole now that I figured out where and how hard to throw what disc.

*looks at all the OB in the caddy book*

... Okay, now I get it.

Thanks for the new caddybook Pecman. Be using it Real Soon

why no thumb on 15? i got the three in that layout last year

If you look on the Caddy book picture of 15 the layup spot for the over the top shot is now marked OB.

And is that 2m rule by the 15 basket new?

And is that 2m rule by the 15 basket new?



Same as last year. But, the fluff around the basket is being trimmed up better.
And there is another small OB lake at the start of the fairway.

Ahhhhhhh 17 seems to be fair this year...THANKS!!!!

the thumber is still there, you just may be flirting with ob to get the placement shot set up.

yeah 17 is interesting... played last night and hay bales aren't up yet but flags/ropes are and the OB line (front) seems a bit closer (15'?) but there is def. a 'bail out' option now. will be interesting to see what different options people take (depending on wind of course)

#9 is the hole I think a lot of people will scratch their heads about (with the false river/lake in the middle of the fairway)

looks like 10 is more tempting to go for in 1

Stack got his drive in... I did too, if you count in the tennis courts "in". They were our yee hah second shots, not our strategery drives.

hey... mine (Flippin' Max) actually was in as in 'on the island and had a shot @ a duece'... and yes, they were player B shots

9 and 10 are actually 2 of the easier holes there....Definitely holes you want to pick up a birdie on

definitely places to birdie. Hole 9 is probably perplexing for some this year. Too many choices can confound players. Left or right of the first tree, left or right side of the fairway, smart and safe or big and risky. That's a lot of things to choose from, then your body has to be in agreement with your mind, which isn't always the case.

Here are the distances in meters for our metrically minded friends from overseas. OK, you too Hoeniger. :)

Hole 1.... 224 ft.... 68 m
Hole 2.... 629 ft.... 192 m
Hole 3.... 389 ft.... 119 m
Hole 4.... 435 ft.... 133 m
Hole 5.... 1053 ft... 321 m
Hole 6.... 371 ft.... 113 m
Hole 7.... 269 ft.... 82 m
Hole 8.... 592 ft.... 180 m
Hole 9.... 575 ft.... 175 m
Hole 10... 563 ft.... 172 m
Hole 11... 734 ft.... 224 m
Hole 12... 901 ft.... 275 m
Hole 13... 888 ft.... 271 m
Hole 14... 431 ft.... 131 m
Hole 15... 539 ft.... 164 m
Hole 16... 391 ft.... 119 m
Hole 17... 249 ft.... 76 m
Hole 18... 560 ft.... 171 m

Regarding hole # 9, it does not look like there is any O.B. between the fence at the ball fields, is that the case? It looks like you can now throw at the fence, hit it and still be safe. How far out do the columns for the fence stick? Is at less than 1 meter?

yes.

I actually did that yesterday, in fact.

I was throwing anhyzer on the right side of the tree at the tee, and my shot never turned enough, hit the wall, and dropped into the last triangular buttress . The buttresses are big. BIG. I am guessing 12 feet on each side, and the cross-brace poles are probably 1 foot in diameter. I was able to get up and down for a 3 with a Cro from a standstill with limited follow though. I have also thrown to the green from behind the first buttress, throwing anhyzer through a gap in it. It's a unique hole and you'll be digging it as an obstacle, unless of course, you are in it.

The buttresses are big. BIG. I am guessing 12 feet on each side, and the cross-brace poles are probably 1 foot in diameter.



So if you choose to hit the wall instead of challenging the OB river, could you be cornered and have no shot?

yes, definitely. You COULD lay up to the other side of the river, then throw hyzer to the basket.

*looks at all the OB in the caddy book*

... Okay, now I get it.


To elaborate a little, this caddybook is awesome. Before when I just looked at the video and the map that was up before I didn't really see how tight some of that OB was. Now, looking at this, I really do have my thoughts on what I could do on this course changed. Like right now I feel like a hot round for me would be between 66-68. Not 62. And looking at last year's ratings, that is more in line with reality since those put me right around where two of my hottest rounds of the summer were.

Matt: awesome job on the caddybook. It is accurate enough that I was able to go hole-by-hole and come up with a likely score for me when I'm playing hot golf, and get a final score right in line with my hot golf rounds of the summer. That is really impressive detail. Thanks very much for creating such a cool piece of media. I'm going to keep it saved to show friends with Rocket Disc Golf who've never seen the video or anything of the course before.

Is that the Flying Buttress of Windsor?

of Winthrop, of course!

buTT of course.......would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?

<font color="blue"> i believe YOUNG Sard has the grey poupon </font>

ahhhhhh, make sjur he brings iTT wiTT him

Just to reiterate the tee times for spectators. If you show up to the tournament on Saturday, you can sign up for an early tee time on Sunday at the pro shop. If you want to sign up online due to the fact that you can not make it Saturday, then you will only have a chance at an afternoon tee time.

http://www.usdgc.com/09/20/spectator-day-tee-time-sign-up#more-94

*looks at all the OB in the caddy book*

... Okay, now I get it.


To elaborate a little, this caddybook is awesome. Before when I just looked at the video and the map that was up before I didn't really see how tight some of that OB was. Now, looking at this, I really do have my thoughts on what I could do on this course changed. Like right now I feel like a hot round for me would be between 66-68. Not 62. And looking at last year's ratings, that is more in line with reality since those put me right around where two of my hottest rounds of the summer were.

Matt: awesome job on the caddybook. It is accurate enough that I was able to go hole-by-hole and come up with a likely score for me when I'm playing hot golf, and get a final score right in line with my hot golf rounds of the summer. That is really impressive detail. Thanks very much for creating such a cool piece of media. I'm going to keep it saved to show friends with Rocket Disc Golf who've never seen the video or anything of the course before.



believe it or not the rope feels actually tighter and fairways/landing zones even smaller in person... not to mention the mental factor of the ropes getting in your mind. def. a must do in person @ some point or another.

Hey Brian (and anyone else that can contribute)....help me with the list of 9 timers that have already qualified and registered.......thanks.....looking to do something special for them to celebrate #9 :D:D

Some Magic Hat perhaps?

Craiger
Brad Schick
Ken Climo
Barry Schultz
Brian Mace
Schwebby
Harold Duvall

I can't think of any more, but I do believe it is less than 10 total.

Craig - How could you forget Dave Dunipace?

Craiger
Brad Schick
Ken Climo
Barry Schultz
Brian Mace
Schwebby
Harold Duvall

I can't think of any more, but I do believe it is less than 10 total.



Mace has been there for all of them, but i believe Jeff Davis played at least once under Mace's sponsorship exemption. Just place an asterisk by Queen Mace's name. :D

Mace did not play the USDGC in 2006.

Kirk Yoo has played them all, as has Walt Haney and Brian McRee.

Played a round with Walt Sunday, he won't ever be back at the USDGC he said.

Kirk and McRee are trying to Monday qualify to keep thier streak alive.

Played a round with Walt Sunday, he won't ever be back at the USDGC he said.




Why?

I've had the honor of golfing w/ him twice on the card at the USDGC. Great guy, even better golfer.

Can't get anything past you now can I...of course Magic Hat #9 would be fitting don't ya think.......thanks for the input you all ROCK!!!!!

Played a round with Walt Sunday, he won't ever be back at the USDGC he said.




Why?

I've had the honor of golfing w/ him twice on the card at the USDGC. Great guy, even better golfer.



well here is what happened....

the dogwood crosstown is always where walt has qualified and planned to do so this year.

2 months before the event, we were informed it was not a qualifying event and our spot went to he Virginia Open.

At that time, the VO was full.

Walt never got a chance and this frustrated him, so he's done playing it.

No problem Mrs. Gangloff!

I talked to Scott Martin today, and he is now playing the USDGC 07

Craig you qualifing Monday ...or what?????

Craiger
Brad Schick
Ken Climo
Barry Schultz
Brian Mace
Schwebby
Harold Duvall

I can't think of any more, but I do believe it is less than 10 total.



Joey Mela

DUH!!!! thanks Derek

Nice, so much for retirement huh?

This is going to be a fun week

Vinnie,

For me this is the longest week of the year.

Kirk

It's a toss up between "or what" and "I hope so".

Either way you get to see me so what does it really matter. :)

What time are you looking to go out on Monday Captain? I'm thinking around 8:00 to 8:15. Be cool if you could join us that early, I will take wet grass over wind any day. At least it has worked out that way the last 2 years for me.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you and the Captain....
COME ON FELLAS :D:D:D

I went through the caddy book last night and it looks really good. I like the attention to detail and all the measurements.....nice job Matt!

caddy books have distances??

signed,
the pro worlds field

Here's the list of 9X ers I can think of -
Ken
Barry
Joey
Harold
Dave D
Craiger
No Spin
Schweb
Schick
Greenwell??

I know there were 14 or 15 that were 8X - and that list should include
Mcree
LL
Capn Kirk
Tim Barr??
Stan
Walt

Or something like that :) Man I'm psyched!! Can't wait!!

Hey Brian (and anyone else that can contribute)....help me with the list of 9 timers that have already qualified and registered.......thanks.....looking to do something special for them to celebrate #9 :D:D

Already Qualified 9 Xers
Gangloff
Climo
Schultz
Schweb
Greenwell
Schick
Dr Rick
Harold Duvall
Mela
Myers


Not Qualified 8 Xers

McRee
Haney
Yoo
McDaniel


Missing 0ne or 2

Yes to Greenwell

dont think Dunipace has played them all

LL did not play last year.
Tim Barr misssed qfyin by one stroke last year.

Phil Arthur has competed in all of them...Talked to him today he is practiced up and plans on being there Monday morning.

Played the course yesterday it is in prime condition. Can't wait to play in my first USDGC. Good job on the caddy book!

7584

In his player profile he did not play in 2002 USDGC www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=7289&amp;year=2002 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=7289&amp;year=2002)

Yes to Greenwell

dont think Dunipace has played them all



Greenwell has played 8x, but he DNF'ed in 2003.
Dunipace has played all 8.

A chart with the finishing places of the top players for all 8 years of the USDGC can be found at Disc Golf Resources (http://groups.google.com/group/DGResources)

could not access the chart

She has not done well enough. Simply a fact.



thing is.. I consider myself more as a Periwinkle Player, Chuck.

Sounds like a challenge.. Here I come Winthrop!

Haha.. Thanks for all the support posters!! Cant wait to start changing some minds about womens disc golf! See you guys in a couple weeks.. :D

ps.. lookin for a caddy.. anybody willing to lug my bag around??