Fun weekend run by some top notch people. Thanks brian for all you do for the north texas area. Hamsterman and discboomer shouldnt be overlooked either.

Has this event ever been run on two weekends? Would be nice to spectate Pro weekend with as many big names as show up. I dont know how realistic that is or how it would change the event.

also, is the final 9 scores going to be added to our results allowing actuall finishing places to be posted? Imagine so, but thought I would ask.



Yeah, what they said...

CGF- you play Open, what the advanced players did is of no concern to you , at least it should not be

I believe the post you are referring to was by MC???

good shooting V. and E.P.!!!



hell yeah, way to rep the Cen-Tex... ;) :D

I did post a couple of times under Flesner's name.

I was disappointed that I came down to play Z Boaz and got two rounds of a temp course that didn't suit my game as well as Z Boaz. I scrapped around a lot at that course and made it out without too much damage, so I guess I don't have too much room to complain. I would have rather seen something difficult set up for a temp course...make people earn their birdies and 3's rather than have several must hit holes. That's what makes Z Boaz so great and why I showed up: it has many deuces out there, but you have to throw a great shot and make a great putt. That's the type of golf I showed up to play and instead played a course that I could have played here in OK and saved 50 bucks in gas.

MC

good to see everyone!
I have more to say...but I will direct them to the T.D.
thanks Jason and Ginnette for the stay.

Congrats, Vinnie! :D

As far as some cards playing the holes from the long tee's on the short rounds , pay attention @ the players meeting . We did have a volunteer put the tee signs in the wrong place, so take it out on him



when nearly 1/3 of the field plays it wrong maybe there's a bigger problem than not paying attention at the players meeting...

My biggest complaint about this weekend was the douchebag that has my putter ....I had it at the players meeting and I go pick up the cards and then its gone? wtf???

If you stole it out of my bag like it appears happened, BAD things are in your future Karam's a bee itch. And if somehow it jumped out of my bag, you found it and didn't turn it in, I hope you 4 putt with it every time you use it.

If anyone see' someone putting with my AVIAR with the big K on the back, feel free to throw a roc at him ;)

Who designed the temp course that was played at Z-Boaz? Heard it was the S H I double hockey sticks!



Bump!



Brian and myself.



Well you guys suck at designing courses. :p

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I think it was better than that. I think it was a better course than the previous temp course.

As far as some cards playing the holes from the long tee's on the short rounds , pay attention @ the players meeting . We did have a volunteer put the tee signs in the wrong place, so take it out on him



when nearly 1/3 of the field plays it wrong maybe there's a bigger problem than not paying attention at the players meeting...





Well then 1/3 of the field was not paying attention @ the players meeting ...... There is nothing too complicated about play the short tee's except for 18 ....

Sure there is.
That is not a short tee it is a fly pad that should not exist.

Why are you all over Brians nuts lee?

Who designed the temp course that was played at Z-Boaz? Heard it was the S H I double hockey sticks!



Bump!



Brian and myself.



Well you guys suck at designing courses. :p



Well then I guess Chris gets to design the temp course for next year .... Get ready folks, 18 RHBH hyzers coming right up......... My predictions .... CFles in @ -18 par for one round ..... :D

We had mostly good feedback from players about the course, it flowed well considering it had never been played ever ...

I must ask myself, would we be hearing this much from CGF if he had shot better this weekend ???

CHRIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOT LIKE CRAP THIS WEEKEND, THERE IS NO SENSE IN TAKING IT OUT ON THE T.D. AND HIS STAFF..

He's just mad that Brice beat him. :D

I'll take responsibility for playing it wrong, I've played that lame-o short tee on 8 before so I should have known, but at the players meeting when the TD is saying play short tees on 1,8,10,8,6,31,19,26 was I supposed to be taking notes? should I bring a pen and paper next time?

The back of the scorecards said something completely different than what was said at the players meeting so who was I to believe.

It's OK to say we may have made a mistake.

My beef, that was more frustrating was about that whole situation that someone put a trash can over the tee after half the groups went through it...who is to say that other groups behind us didn't make the same mistake that 25 players before made if the trash can wouldn't have been placed there. The trash can should have never been placed on the tee so that everyone would have had a fair shake on the circumstance, because there is NO WAY that anyone would have played it wrong if the trash can was on the tee when we got there.

Why are you all over Brians nuts lee?



Because, Brian, Brandon, Jason, Ginetta,Ray, Lammyhamster, myself, and several others just sacraficed an entire weekend busting our arses to give you an opportunity to blow up on your home course. WFT man, NOTHING WILL EVER BE PERFECT and you have the balls to jump on here and bash the people ( a staff of volunteers ) that just spent the past 72 hours of their lives trying to provide 209 people with a enjoyable tournament experience.....

You are a true inspiration to all. I guess it take's more than cashing @ an event to be a true professional ...

I'll take responsibility for playing it wrong, I've played that lame-o short tee on 8 before so I should have known, but at the players meeting when the TD is saying play short tees on 1,8,10,8,6,31,19,26 was I supposed to be taking notes? should I bring a pen and paper next time?

The back of the scorecards said something COMPLETLY different than what was said at the players meeting so who was I to believe.

It's OK to say we may have made a mistake.

My beef, that was more frustrating about that whole situation was that someone put a trash can over the tee after half the groups went through it...who is to say that other groups behind us didn't make the same mistake that 25 players before made if the trash can wouldn't have been placed there. The trash can should have never been placed there so that EVERYONE would have had a fair shake on the circumstance, because there is NO WAY that anyone would have played it wrong if the trash can (and the tee sign) was on the tee when we got there.



You make a valid point. I was wondering whom moved that trash can?????

Obviously your not very smart because I got cut after 3 rounds so I probably shouldn't move up. But if you would like to come to cedar hill and play 2 real courses no bs temp course I'll be happy to lay the smack down on whoever you are. (Whenever your ready big baby will whip that @$$.)
Peace

It's 2:00 I played advanced payed $72 there were 65 or something people in my division. I payed this money in advance to make sure I got a spot. Now I'm at home because of whatever reason it was to let in an extra 20 or 30 people. Those same people will be back next year getting in on saturday. (It worked this year) However I should have played better golf or lack their of but still payed my money to play 3 1/2 rounds. I still had nine holes who's to say I wouldn't ace. So I was sold on something false. My bad. Intermediate divison no cuts were made oh by the way they only paid $52. So where is the incentive. I think the advanced divison really got hosed this weekend. Two full rounds from that crap course somebodys probably going to get hit with a foul ball. Anything can happen in nine holes. Will I play another event probably but very unhappy with the way it was ran this weekend.



move up you baby :mad:

Obviously your not very smart because I got cut after 3 rounds so I probably shouldn't move up. But if you would like to come to cedar hill and play 2 real courses no bs temp course I'll be happy to lay the smack down on whoever you are. (Whenever your ready big baby will whip that @$$.)
Peace

A lot of complaining, a lot of defending, and not one prop to Shawn Robertson WTG Shawn!!!! he sure is playing some good golf this year, top ten in that field is pretty good.

If somebody snatched Kevin's putter you're in for a world of hurt, I don''t think that thing has been working for a few months now... :p you might wanna send that back to him and go get a new one :D

You better watch out...SWAGGIES is a real asskicker :D

The temp course was fine. You guys did well with the space you had to work with -- I think it suffers more by comparison to the Z than anything...

The confusion on #8...heck, I had a local on my card and it didn't even occur to him to play the other teepad...the fact that the long box was clearly marked Hole #8 didn't help either...I heard (here comes hearsay and conjecture, y'all /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) that (one of) the card(s) behind us put the trash can on the long pad (helping the rest of the groups out, and altering the course?) ...I wonder if my card would have misplayed that hole had we walked up the hill to the long pad and found a trash can on it? no sour grapes, I'm just saying that a number of cards did misplay the course in that exact same way, and there was perhaps the potential for more of the cards to misplay the course in the exact same way...oh well, dem's da breaks ;)

...had a great time this weekend, I will definitely be back to the Z next year! Many thanks to Maceman and staff!

If somebody snatched Kevin's putter you're in for a world of hurt, I don''t think that thing has been working for a few months now... :p you might wanna send that back to him and go get a new one :D



lol your right thats a good one :D

Whenever he's ready I'll be there!!!!
Anyday any course except the temp course at Z.
HAHA

The confusion on #8...heck, I had a local on my card and it didn't even occur to him to play the other teepad...the fact that the long box was clearly marked Hole #8 didn't help either...I heard (here comes hearsay and conjecture, y'all /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) that (one of) the card(s) behind us put the trash can on the long pad (helping the rest of the groups out, and altering the course?) ...I wonder if my card would have misplayed that hole had we walked up the hill to the long pad and found a trash can on it? no sour grapes, I'm just saying that a number of cards did misplay the course in that exact same way, and there was perhaps the potential for more of the cards to misplay the course in the exact same way...oh well, dem's da breaks ;)

...had a great time this weekend, I will definitely be back to the Z next year! Many thanks to Maceman and staff!



WELL SAID!!!!!

very well said.....
The player could always play provisionals on every hole to make sure he plays the right tee box :D

The player could always play provisionals on every hole to make sure he plays the right tee box :D



HILARIOUS! This 36-year-old arm has a hard enough time with one teeshot per hole over a whole weekend! :D

It's 2:00 I played advanced payed $72 there were 65 or something people in my division. I payed this money in advance to make sure I got a spot. Now I'm at home because of whatever reason it was to let in an extra 20 or 30 people. Those same people will be back next year getting in on saturday. (It worked this year) However I should have played better golf or lack their of but still payed my money to play 3 1/2 rounds. I still had nine holes who's to say I wouldn't ace. So I was sold on something false. My bad. Intermediate divison no cuts were made oh by the way they only paid $52. So where is the incentive. I think the advanced divison really got hosed this weekend. Two full rounds from that crap course somebodys probably going to get hit with a foul ball. Anything can happen in nine holes. Will I play another event probably but very unhappy with the way it was ran this weekend.



move up you baby :mad:

Obviously your not very smart because I got cut after 3 rounds so I probably shouldn't move up. But if you would like to come to cedar hill and play 2 real courses no bs temp course I'll be happy to lay the smack down on whoever you are. (Whenever your ready big baby will whip that @$$.)
Peace



IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MIGHTY Z twice THEN MOVE UP B*&$h

YOU'RE JUST WHINING BECAUSE YOU THROW AND PLAY GOLF LIKE A LITTLE BABY GIRL :o:o:o:eek: :eek: :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D:D:D

Vinnie, you played awesome this weekend.
Shawn Robertson played awesome, too.
Courtney Peavy played great considering she was playing with two. She was exhausted everytime I saw her.
Yes, Kevin, you played good, too, considering you are living with a pregnant woman.
I enjoyed seeing everyone. Hope to see you again soon.

thanks and it was good seeing you also.

Vinnie, congratz. You shot well this weekend.

WAY TO GO JOEL!! :D

anyway we can see the final scores and the payout correctly?? thanks

...well with everyone congratulating Vinnie, I just thought Joel deserved a shout-out for winning the tournament :D

Keep an eye on this gallery......
http://www.pbase.com/shabookie/zboaz_open_feb_07
I have a lot more to upload... I got a case of lazys!
Lates,
Shaun

OK, so I heard my bro (Rob Lee) and my nephew (Chris Lee) had aces in the same tourney. This has to be some sort of a PDGA first for an "A" tier with a father/son combo both getting hole-in-ones! Awesome, relatives. Nice comeback that last round, Jon. How come you didn't get one too?! :D
See all you Texans some day soon. KL

I can say with confidence that Team Donkey had a blast. Thanks to Mace and all the volunteers and THE COOK! The brisket was great.
I wish I would've gotten to play the Mighty-Z twice instead of 1.5 times, but I won't lose any sleep over it. For all the people #$*&$! about the temp course, I didn't see that many people "lighting it up". So it was challenging enough for pros and ams alike.
The only suggestion I have is if you tell everyone at the players meeting that everything you are saying is on the back of the scorecards, MAKE SURE IT IS THERE. Luckily, I was paying attention but Mace was blazing through the instructions and such.
1st time Z-Boazer and I will def. be back next year. Good to see all the OK and TX guys. Great event and the skins were awesome. 1st A-tier cash too.

My husband doesn't read the board, but I will pass on to him that you enjoyed his brisket. Thank you for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed it. That is half the reason he does it. He enjoys seeing happy disc golfers.

Thanks Mace's and Staff! It's not easy running a tournament, especially when you have 200 + people show up! Can't make everyone happy, and 99% of the time the people complaining don't do ANYTHING to help you out!
I've NEVER missed a ZBoaz event, and probably never will. been to all of them.
Anyway, thanks from the KS crew, we had a LOAD of people there this year..and expect to see some Texans in Emporia for the Glass Blown Open in Aug!!!!!!
Thanks again!
McCabe

Thanks Sprout, spoken like a true PROFESSIONAL .
Glass Blown is now on my list....

Sprout always rides with class and style.

Sorry if I missed it, but did the coed skins thing happen. If so, post a rundown of the highlights/lowlights please.

Sprout always rides with class and style.


He's not bad @ disc golf either.... :D

What I think is awesome is that Discraft golfers have been tearing up Texas in recent time .... Especially Cale.
Cale won Piney Woods Open, Big Show Cedar Hill, Big Show Z-Boaz open.... WOW.. E-mac got the MJCO months back. Smoking hot Discraft golfers.

Also this is the 1st year Barry has been beaten @ the Open.

He's not bad @ disc golf either



He's ALRIGHT :D

The skins match did happen. There was a push all the way until hole 7 when every guy hit early wood except Cale who pured it all the way to within putting distance. That earned Cale and partner (sorry I forgot who the women were paired with) $350.00 each. I believe Coda and partner took 1 skin for $50.00 each and McCabe and partner took the final $200.00 skin. Highlights for me were Cale's drive on 7, Coda's 450 foot spike hyzer with a firebird on hole 4, and Coda's 350ish foot thumber into a headwind on modified hole 12 to park the team's second shot.

MC

Thanks to Mace and staff for another great tourney!! I always have a blast in Funkytown. Thanks again for all your hard work guys and gals. See ya next year.

How many aces this weekend? I thought I heard 5 of them but wasn't sure.

Guess it will reset again for the next event.

1st off I'd like to thank Mace and staff for getting this event together. There may have been a few bumps, but it was a 1st rate event, as usual. I'd also like to thank all the guys I got a chance to play with. They're all top rate guys. This was truly an international tournament... I mean, we even had Canadians. I'd also like to thank Dre, he made me battle the whole way through.....Great event, had a blast.

Nice win E_S_P, thanks for coming to Funkytown.

Too bad an easy par had to win the playoff......
Its alot more fun when it goes down in grand fashion, as opposed to Andres missing a par putt :o:D

so are you gonna move up now, BAGGER! :eek: :D

so are you gonna move up now, BAGGER

ditto :D:p

Congrats on your JV win!

Now come play with the Varsity :o

Thinking one more event Bowling Green(sayin' it like a crackhead)and I'll be doin' like the Jeffersons.

Thinking one more event Bowling Green(sayin' it like a crackhead)and I'll be doin' like the Jeffersons.



bout time , bagger!!!nice win amigo!! :D:D

DAT A BOY!!!!! :D

BAGGER


seriously
great time playin with you all weekend edward. best of luck in open. see you there next year at the z-boaz open.

Thinking one more event Bowling Green(sayin' it like a crackhead)and I'll be doin' like the Jeffersons.



bout time , bagger!!!nice win amigo!! :D:D




AND the kettle has been officially called BLACK!!! Hey Mcbagger Salazar, you got any star plastic or champion plastic I could purchase from you?

Thinking one more event Bowling Green(sayin' it like a crackhead)and I'll be doin' like the Jeffersons.



bout time , bagger!!!nice win amigo!! :D:D




AND the kettle has been officially called BLACK!!! Hey Mcbagger Salazar, you got any star plastic or champion plastic I could purchase from you?



Yeah talk smack to the hurt guy Jeff.+- :D

lol...he ain't hurt anymore, Efrain is a good golfer, he doesn't give himself enough credit. ;)

Nice win Liz!!! 3rd COAST IN DA HOUSE!!!!

You too Esp, that feild was freggin huge!

. . . . So How Bout That Temp Course . . . . .World Caliber Stuff . . . . Thinking Of Driving Up Today . . . .Play A Lil, Object Golf Where It Was. . . . Then Drive Home . . . .F The Z . . . .By The Way . . . .Is It Fun? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

. . . . So How Bout That Temp Course . . . . .World Caliber Stuff . . . . Thinking Of Driving Up Today . . . .Play A Lil, Object Golf Where It Was. . . . Then Drive Home . . . .F The Z . . . .By The Way . . . .Is It Fun? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Guy, next time you come up, let me know .... I will power slam your buddah belly all over that course . You can crash @ my place if you need to.....

Why am I wasting my time with somebody who shot 21 over.
I thought you were somebody my bad. Peace Biiii otch. Anytime your ready we can settle it on the course move up loser.


Oh Sh#$% I missed the put oh well!

. . . . So How Bout That Temp Course . . . . .World Caliber Stuff . . . . Thinking Of Driving Up Today . . . .Play A Lil, Object Golf Where It Was. . . . Then Drive Home . . . .F The Z . . . .By The Way . . . .Is It Fun? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Stop the cryn! You must be upset for not playn well. You need to rub that belly and get over it. Both courses are great and you need to step up your game!

Who got the chucks after this weekend?

Guy, are you the keeper now ???

No its Leon whos the ninja!!!! Waaaaaaaaaa!!! Guy got his putter sketched on by me. Nice job Lee during Z-Boaz, we need more people like you in disc golf.

GIVE ME BACK MY PUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2iIYGlNEXjg)

was it one of the "pickles" or have you moved past those Kev?

It's a KC Aviar that had most of the stamp removed except the Aviar and Innova logo on it.

Some tree stump picked it from me right before the first round :mad:

GIVE ME BACK MY SON!!!! or PUTTER!!!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGNW5ltWowA&mode=related&search=) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

lol,good one.a friend of mine lost the shirt off his back last year,he said he was holding on to his players pack shirt and all of a sudden it was gone. Is that shady or what? :confused: why would anyone intentionally steal a players pack shirt or a putter with someone elses name on it.

That's why you should switch to soft challengers...no one wants to steal those. :D

MC

I have more Aviars in the vault but the fact of #1 putter missing 20 minutes before the 1st hole tickled my toenails....

I had been practicing all week with that putter and my "dying quail" putting style with it. Then at the last minute i had to get another putter and resort to the "flubbering duck" putting stlye needless to say the flubbering duck turned into a "limp monkey schlong" style putt on my way to posting an AWESOME -1 on the pitch and putt course.

I don't really need it back but if any of ewes see some chump putting with it, please kick him in the bozak and tell him it's not 1991 and It's not cool to be down with OPP (Other Peoples Plastic) :p

So it is a partial stamp with a big K on the back.... My eyes are peeled ! We can not have non-sense like that @ Z-Boaz.... My money says it was Cale, trying to take out the competition.... :D

kiss it good bye.. lost disc or stolen discs never show back up in that area,... **** cowboy fans :mad::p

I'll take responsibility for playing it wrong, I've played that lame-o short tee on 8 before so I should have known, but at the players meeting when the TD is saying play short tees on 1,8,10,8,6,31,19,26 was I supposed to be taking notes? should I bring a pen and paper next time?

The back of the scorecards said something COMPLETLY different than what was said at the players meeting so who was I to believe.

It's OK to say we may have made a mistake.

My beef, that was more frustrating about that whole situation was that someone put a trash can over the tee after half the groups went through it...who is to say that other groups behind us didn't make the same mistake that 25 players before made if the trash can wouldn't have been placed there. The trash can should have never been placed there so that EVERYONE would have had a fair shake on the circumstance, because there is NO WAY that anyone would have played it wrong if the trash can (and the tee sign) was on the tee when we got there.



You make a valid point. I was wondering whom moved that trash can?????



Barry said that he put the trash can on the tee after his group went through the hole.

The interesting thing is that Barry could have been penalized for doing that if the situation was reversed and the trash can was put on an unused tee in FRONT of the one to be used. The fact that some players played the hole before the tee had a trash can on it doesn't matter from a rules standpoint because you can change things behind a tee during a round, like maybe moving a bench or repositioning a temp tee sign or putting a broom back in its holder, etc.

Who designed the temp course that was played at Z-Boaz? Heard it was the S H I double hockey sticks!



Bump!


Just a brief note from the gallery: Willy C. and I played the temp course between rnds. Sat. ( taking advantage of a gracious invitation, thnx Brian and Lee ) and enjoyed the heck out of it. On Sun. I had the priveledge of watching some top notch competition by some of the best in the world on that course, and watching them play finesse and talent vs. plain power was everything a gallery wanted to see.
Congrats to all the winners which includes the guys running it.


Brian and myself.

The temp course was fine. You guys did well with the space you had to work with -- I think it suffers more by comparison to the Z than anything...




I thought it was awesome. I did not play, just watched.

There were some seriously long holes, and the pros were really uncorking. Interesting use of the soccer goals.

Saw an ace too.

The temp course was a fine alternative to the Weatherford course that was used in years past. I hope that we don't see to much more complaining or else it might be back to Weatherford next year.

I actually liked weatherford. :confused: The temp course had a lot of decent holes but when I talked to everyone about it the felt like played a round on "autopilot" and didn't really have to think about any shots. Z Boaz on the otherhand makes you think about nearly every shot.

fair assessment

I did not get a chance to make this tourney, my choice. I have read back to page 97 and all I see is alot of complaining. For those that feel they got hosed for whatever reason, come next year 2008 don't play. You had your fun now go away or even better give a helping hand and then you can get on here and complain about your own work. As for those that put in there free time, there are golfers out there that "DO" appreciate what you do. Like I stated I did not play for my own reasons, I could whine about no funds or did not signup last weekend or I had to work etc.
Bottom line folks it turned out to be a great weekend for some and for others not so great. This fella "Discboomer" seems to be one that wants things to be great for discgolf but for 11 pages of text to be alot of whining and crying for these folks to work their arses off, my hats off to ya. I do not know many golfers or there names on this thread but, if I said anything wrong or stepped on any toes I apologize. For the rest I play Cedar Hill and help B.Lam when possible I am not a member of any club,play minis when possible and try to support the sport and those who "Volunteer". I play Intermediate and will play anyone anytime on any course Temp or not whether I beat you or you beat me that's up to the course not the player. Brian Mace,Discboomer,Brian Lam. and any others I do not know great job keep up the work. Later Taters

...but at the players meeting when the TD is saying play short tees on 1,8,10,8,6,31,19,26 was I supposed to be taking notes? should I bring a pen and paper next time?

The back of the scorecards said something COMPLETLY different than what was said at the players meeting so who was I to believe.



I took notes on an old scorecard during the meeting. I would've rather had it in a program especially for tournament of that size. If there is a difference of opinion with others on the card it's easier to point at something in writing that I didn't scribble down myself.

Other than that, I really enjoyed the tournament. Thanks to MaceMan and the dedicated staff. Good times.

Well I had a great time thanks Mace and Of'course the staff you people ROCK !!!! Great win Cale C U N Minnesota Bro..

Well I had a great time thanks Mace and Of'course the staff you people ROCK !!!! Great win Cale C U N Minnesota Bro..



JD, I'm proud of you man. Great 3rd place finish with some tough open players in the house.

Brian

huh :confused: he is over a 1000 rated player he is suppose to finish up their with the big dogs since he is one :D

huh :confused: he is over a 1000 rated player he is suppose to finish up their with the big dogs since he is one :D



Chris, you just aren't happy uness you are trying to start crap.... By my count, there were 9 1000+ rated players. Should all of them be in the top 3 spots? Oh, he finished ahead of a couple of guys with higher ratings, so maybe he was supposed to finish 6th. WTF? Ratings after all are perfect...

And BTW, there are additional circumstances that you are not aware of that add to the reason that I am pleased with his finish.

huh :confused: he is over a 1000 rated player he is suppose to finish up their with the big dogs since he is one :D



Yeah but he shot 1030 golf and beat Barry (AGAIN). :D

I can't believe they didn't serve us lobster and fillet minion. What kind of tourny is this? Give me a break with all the whinning. And most importantly---give the guys and gals that ran this thing a break.

I would like to thank Brian, Brandon, Lee, and everyone else involved for another outstanding event. I'll see ya next year fa-show.

The temp course was a fine alternative to the Weatherford course that was used in years past. I hope that we don't see to much more complaining or else it might be back to Weatherford next year.



I actually liked weatherford. The temp course had a lot of decent holes but when I talked to everyone about it the felt like played a round on "autopilot" and didn't really have to think about any shots. Z Boaz on the otherhand makes you think about nearly every shot.



fair assessment



Way to go Jake! You just rolled over and took it like the gimp in Pulp Fiction. You understand Scooter is Matt Hall, 17 years old, you can still tell him he doesn't know what he talking about... Don't take that from someone from Texas :p :D

Matt, you don't know what the hell you are talking about you snot nose texas teenager. Weatherford sucks and so do you!

TEMP COURSE RULES! :D

Chris, you just aren't happy uness you are trying to start crap

relax hamster did you not see the smiley face. good lord

Matt, you don't know what the hell you are talking about you snot nose texas teenager. Weatherford sucks and so do you!

TEMP COURSE RULES! :D

Hey Jake, sound's like your still mad about that 6-6 your took on the last 2 hole's of the final 9 to let me pass you and beat you by 3. :eek: :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

Oh yea, I think Weatherford is a GREAT course.

I have more Aviars in the vault but the fact of #1 putter missing 20 minutes before the 1st hole tickled my toenails....

I had been practicing all week with that putter and my "dying quail" putting style with it. Then at the last minute i had to get another putter and resort to the "flubbering duck" putting stlye needless to say the flubbering duck turned into a "limp monkey schlong" style putt on my way to posting an AWESOME -1 on the pitch and putt course.

I don't really need it back but if any of ewes see some chump putting with it, please kick him in the bozak and tell him it's not 1991 and It's not cool to be down with OPP (Other Peoples Plastic) :p



That's funny! Hope you get your putter back, Kev... :)

Thanks for all the kind words guys and gals.......
Next year @ the Z will be AMAZING .......

I think the temp course is a good one.
The baskets on the other hand were not fit for a back yard little less an A tier event.I had a great time....maybe next year the pros can do their final nine on the mighty Z

JD, you are the classiest and coolest guy in disc golf.

what, you want lobster and filet minon? okay, I'll tell Don, but it might cost more than $5/plate :D

maybe next year the pros can do their final nine on the mighty Z



If we did that , then they would only get to play the Z one and a half rounds.

As the director of the Funkytown Flyers Club, I feel confident that we will have another course in the ground by this time next year . Possibly the next alternate course for the Z-Boaz Open...... If all goes as planned , the quality of this new course will leave no room for complaints....

good to hear!
And with the large turn out of this year....maybe it should be 2 different weekends and a alternate course would not have to be used.
Might Z Open (3 rounds and final nine all on the Z)
The Z is a great course!

I think the temp course is a good one.
The baskets on the other hand were not fit for a back yard little less an A tier event.


Agreed, but they had to come from somewhere. Most of them were well enough, but a guy on my card got robbed of an ace on that portable Discatcher Sport. the lightweight metal of the single row of chains just couldn't handle a teebird from over 250 feet away. One can always adjust one's putting style to compensate for basket quality... but the poor guy aced that hole and it didn't count.

I'm not complaining, I really did have a great time. I did, however offer up my basket (heavy, regulation size, and with two rows of good chains) and nobody wanted to use it. Next year, let's get that sort of stuff ironed out more than a couple weeks before the event :)

good to hear!
And with the large turn out of this year....maybe it should be 2 different weekends and a alternate course would not have to be used.
Might Z Open (3 rounds and final nine all on the Z)
The Z is a great course!



Vinnie, you have read my mind sir.
I bet you could fill both weekend's . But , that would stretch the Big Show out to 3 weeks.. Plus , all the Am's would not be present to watch the pro's like years past ..
Tis' a fine line we get to walk......

I know it's been called the Z-Boaz open but the fact of the matter is that the Z-Boaz course really doesn't factor in the final results.

You can't win the Z-Boaz Open at Z-Boaz you can only lose it there.

The only way you can win the Z-Boaz open is KILL the pitch and putt temp course or Weatherford, or where ever the other course is. Just look at the scores from the first round and you see that the players that played well finished well unless they tanked at Z-Boaz.

I would be a big fan of 3 rounds at Z-Boaz and having multiple weekends.... if people want to watch they can still come watch when we play. Cuz it currently plays more like the Temp Course Open

for whatever it's worth, the temp course was at Z-Boaz park :)

I had a great tournament and had a good time even though I got cut after round 3 and I didn't even play that bad. I was blown away by how many good players there were in Advanced. The weekend gave me a ton of perspective on how much work I need to do to move up the ranks.

The temp course was a good use of the land and played quite well. The only problem that I had was with the short tee placements and the small details that no one was truly sure about. I will volunteer my time for next year to type out an extra sheet for the rules and other various notes for the course. I will donate all the ink and paper for the golfers next year. We shot from the short tee on 8 but we were scared that we would get penalized because no one really knew where exactly to shoot. Asking players to take notes during the players meeting is not feasible because even if a player takes notes, there is no guarantee he heard it correctly. The only real solution is to give a handout with rules/regulations on it as a supplement to the course. The map of the temp course was awesome, we just needed a map of the rules and various tournament nuances. Like I said, I had a great time and would have no problem volunteering my services to make sure everyone at the tourney knows exactly what needs to be known. They gave us a sheet at the Waco Tournament and that thing got used on every hole and was referenced for almost every question that came up on our card.

Looking forward to next year and looking forward to playing Zboaz more than once.

But , that would stretch the Big Show out to 3 weeks..



Long before you were golfing, The Big Show was 3 weekends, and the Z-Boaz open was played entirely at Z-Boaz. It looks like this is what the players want....again. If i were healthy enough to play, i would have wanted to play Z-Boaz...the permanent 18 hole course, for all of my rounds. Maybe that will happen, maybe it won't.

I am not the man to preach to....
But I agree, it is the Z-BOAZ OPEN........

I guess there is a whole year to figure this out !

I might be bias....I made the skins every year that it was 3 rounds at the Mighty Z :D

But the other courses have always been significantly easier than the Z and don't give the Z any justice

I didn't get to play at Z-Boaz...it's tough enough getting to play at the Cedar Hill event since it's my busy time of the year. I've seen this event go from 3 weekends to 2 over the last few years, and I really think it should stay at 2. It's very tough on Brian, the staff, the travelling players (especially Pro & Am carpoolers), etc. for split Pro and Am weekends. As soon as Mace splits it up, attendence would likely fall again, and the vicious cycle would continue. Hopefully Lee is right that there will be a second Z-caliber course nearby and everyone will get to play 2 rounds at each. If that's the case, the skins match may need to be eliminated, or an hour earlier start time would be needed.

I'll take responsibility for playing it wrong, I've played that lame-o short tee on 8 before so I should have known, but at the players meeting when the TD is saying play short tees on 1,8,10,8,6,31,19,26 was I supposed to be taking notes? should I bring a pen and paper next time?

The back of the scorecards said something COMPLETLY different than what was said at the players meeting so who was I to believe.

It's OK to say we may have made a mistake.

My beef, that was more frustrating about that whole situation was that someone put a trash can over the tee after half the groups went through it...who is to say that other groups behind us didn't make the same mistake that 25 players before made if the trash can wouldn't have been placed there. The trash can should have never been placed there so that EVERYONE would have had a fair shake on the circumstance, because there is NO WAY that anyone would have played it wrong if the trash can (and the tee sign) was on the tee when we got there.



You make a valid point. I was wondering whom moved that trash can?????



Barry said that he put the trash can on the tee after his group went through the hole.



just another fine example of sir macealot's unequivocal organization skills. the very first card that started on hole 8 for the tournament played the wrong tee right off the bat. 33 people total played the wrong tee and more would have played it wrong if not for the trash can being there.

mace did say in his players meeting "ALL SHORT TEE'S EXCEPT FOR 18". maybe he should have also said "thursday mini format", for all the locals....then there would have been less mistakes

I didn't get to play at Z-Boaz...it's tough enough getting to play at the Cedar Hill event since it's my busy time of the year. I've seen this event go from 3 weekends to 2 over the last few years, and I really think it should stay at 2. It's very tough on Brian, the staff, the travelling players (especially Pro & Am carpoolers), etc. for split Pro and Am weekends. As soon as Mace splits it up, attendence would likely fall again, and the vicious cycle would continue. Hopefully Lee is right that there will be a second Z-caliber course nearby and everyone will get to play 2 rounds at each. If that's the case, the skins match may need to be eliminated, or an hour earlier start time would be needed.



it wouldn't be so tough if they started work a little earlier than the week before. you know like year round upkeep. out of towners don't see that course most of the year but i will tell you right now it is a freaking trash dump 51 weeks out of the year and then there is a mad scramble to get it cleaned up right before Z-boaz open. and even at that, it wouldn't get done if not for the people who volunteer to go out and clean it up.

So 15 % were not listening @ the players meeting :D
J/K

It was an issue, unfortunately it cost those 33 players 2 strokes. As much as that does suck, it is done and over with...... :mad:

mace did say in his players meeting "ALL SHORT TEE'S EXCEPT FOR 18". maybe he should have also said "thursday mini format", for all the locals....then there would have been less mistakes



8 short is not a permanent tee pad and never has been. plus fo those who are from out of town a distinctly marked tee pad might have been a good idea

So 15 % were not listening @ the players meeting :D
J/K

It was an issue, unfortunately it cost those 33 players 2 strokes. As much as that does suck, it is done and over with...... :mad:



who wants to listen to long winded and very late players meeting where the TD insults over half the crowd because they didn't sign up exactly when he wanted them to even though he decided on his own to let those players in even after he had cut sign up off. any other tounament i have played outside of dfw has had a course map with the rules printed on it so that everyone will be clear on how it works.

I am guessing you negleted to notice the J/K at the end of my statement... :D

I really regret not being available to set up tee signs on both courses...
I was soo **** busy on the temp course, Mace had to put that in the hands of somebody who was not informed .....

Oh well, what's done is done ....

I am guessing you negleted to notice the J/K at the end of my statement... :D

I really regret not being available to set up tee signs on both courses...
I was soo **** busy on the temp course, Mace had to put that in the hands of somebody who was not informed .....

Oh well, what's done is done ....



it is not ultimately your responsibility. it is the td who should make sure that the course is set I mean he is the one getting paid not you

so have you decided on a name for that cute little puppy yet?

so have you decided on a name for that cute little puppy yet?



his name is Mr. Pink :) thanks for asking. He is sitting in my lap asleep right now

Stinky Pinky :D

Stinky Pinky :D



without a doubt. it was good to see you this past weekend Kev. Congrats again to you and CP.

thursday night mini format bro...
maybe next year he (mace) should print out all the formats in advance so the people who weren't listening or didn't plan on listening would have them in writing...
but who wants to do that??

thursday night mini format bro...
maybe next year he (mace) should print out all the formats in advance so the people who weren't listening or didn't plan on listening would have them in writing...
but who wants to do that??



yeah maybe he should, like every other tournament you would go to in the country but his. one or two cards is people not listening but 33 people is to large a percentage especially when the very fisrt card that played there played it wrong. telling me thursday night mini setup might work for me but not the people from out of town.

First I would like to thank everyone for all of the good things they said. I would also like to thank everyone who had bad things to say, but knew how to say them. I can appreciate everyone's opinion, and I am doing my best to understand your view point as well as taking notes to make changes that will avoid the problems that arose this weekend.

There are many things that many of you don't understand about running an event of any size. Some of you that are making the most noise couldn't even run a weekly one round event without a significant amount of help....I am not going to name many names but Chris Flesner you are at the top of this list, you need to work on your game (obviously if you had played better you would have been a little more silent) and your image and STFU! You are clueless and your people skills suck. You don't know the first thing about course design and even less about event operation. I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz. You came here, you are not from here, and I have heard enough from you to last a life time.

To the rest of you. I apologize for the problems that arose that were a result of something we did wrong.

I will take the blame from the problem on hole 8. I was not in a position to make it clear to the person that put out those tee signs during the first round because I was busy setting up the other course. I also overlooked the details on the back of the score card. The fact is that I overlooked this 3 times. During the years that this event was split we used the short tee's instead of moving baskets, we have used short tee's the first round every year since there were short tee's, and I did go over it and over it at the players meeting. It didn't occur to me that it was unnecessary until this years event was already under way.

Those of you that got cut, I offer my deepest apologies. I personally hate cuts in almost any situation. I knew this would be a source of controversy when I made the decision. I was left with two tough choices due to the technical difficulties on our web site. There were people that were showing up that thought they had paid, but their transaction didn't go through for whatever reason (likely a number being out of place). So either I turn them away today, send them home mad. Or I can let them in, and make a cut later after everyone has gotten to play. I choose the second option because it seamed the lesser of two evil's. Again I apologize to all players that were cut, I will avoid that at all costs in the future.

As for the attendance. I was very relieved at the end of the day on Saturday when everyone played all of their holes long before sun set. Meaning we got away with it. We got lucky. We will not be in that situation again. It was the toughest day I have faced in all of the events I have run. I also apologize to everyone for stuffing all of the pools with all of these players. It is not fair to all of you that paid ahead of time. I was pushed into a corner and had to make a decision that produced mixed results. We will work out the details on the web. We will also stick to the line we drew ahead of time, and accept the results at the time.

Sorry about all of that, it won't be a problem next year. I am not exactly sure what we will do for next year but I am already considering options that will make all of this better.

As for the quality vs. the amount of Z Boaz Golf you played. Both courses are in South Z Boaz Park so all of your golf was Z Boaz this year, just not in the true spirit of Z Boaz DG. Sorry for that, but it was necessary. The one problem with using a temp course is, until a large group of players play it there is no real way of knowing how it will play across the field.

We split these events for 2 years and attendance dropped. The idea with the split weekends was based on the fact that it bothered me that many players were not getting the full dose of Z Boaz, but attendance told me something different. We ran the Z Boaz Open on 2 different weekends complete with a skins match for the Advanced just like the Pro's. There was such a lack of interest from the Adv women (as well as generally speaking) that I had to raffle off the last ladies spot and Jake has not gotten over it yet :D. It is a lot of work to run any event on 2 weekends. It is also significantly more expensive. If there is not enough interest it is not worth the effort.

Every year we have run this event on the same weekend it has filled or overfilled, on split weekends we have struggled to get 70 people. I can't explain it fully but it seams to me that players from across the board want to play in this event when it is all divisions. It is better combined for many reasons.

We will do everything we can to make it better in the future.

Thanks to all that made the trip, from near of far.

Thanks to everyone that helped in any way at any time to make these events happen. It is a lot of work from so many different directions, we couldn't do this without all of you.

Mace, you missed my note that you have Carrie Berlogar's PDGA number transposed. It should be 13815.

lol, classic.I really hate that I was unable to make either 1 of these events,it was really cool that you let people in at the last minute.One thing that most TDs would not have done.I am going to try and play the Samuel Crawford event.

Mace - are you still planning the Crawford event? I don't think there are even 18 baskets out there anymore.

Did you also decide to change the match play event dates?

For those interested in the skins, here is a more detailed description than I�ve seen posted previously. Teams were:

Cale � Mel
Coda � Val
JD � Burl
Eric � Des

Each hole is worth $100.

Guys drove the first hole and all made it through the tunnel. Val threw an awesome high forehand roller from the left woods to about 30 ft. Everyone else hit trees and left long putts. Cale hits a 50 ft. jump putt to put the pressure on Coda. Coda nails it to push the hole.

Ladies drive on two and for the most part leave their partners with pretty difficult shots. The men manufacture shots that leave putts 30-40 ft. out. The ladies hit metal and chains, but no one finds the bottom the basket and the hole pushes to three.

The men awe the 150 or so spectators with booming drives but leave no real birdie putts and the hole pushes to 4.

Des and Val drive down the left side, Mel down the middle and Burl rips one down the right side. Cale throws a perfect S under the big tree and almost skips in the basket. Coda throws a huge hyzer over the road and over the trees to about 30 feet. Eric and JD catch trees on their attempts. Val cans the 30 footer to put the pressure on Mel. Mel calmly hits the middle of the chains from about 20 ft to push $400 to the fifth hole (I�m glad I didn�t have to make that putt!).

Eric throws an amazing drive to about 20-25 ft. No one else comes close. Des for $500 hits high on the left chains, catches the back rim and spits out.

No real birdie chances on 6, but Coda throws a huge high annee with a cactus sticking in his arse up over everything to save par.

Cale nails the drive on 7. JD lays one down the middle and the others struggle. Burl catches a limb on her upshot and leaves Mel with the easy layup and Cale drops in the gimmee for $700.

Holes 8 and 9 seem anticlimactic after that and Coda throws a nice thumber on 8 to win with a par and Des make a putt to win the last hole which was worth $200.

Lots of sweet shots from the men and ladies in front of a great size gallery.

For all the complainers, Whaaa! Great tournament Mace.

Good except Coda played with Courtney.

I will take the blame from the problem on hole 8. I was not in a position to make it clear to the person that put out those tee signs during the first round because I was busy setting up the other course. I also overlooked the details on the back of the score card. The fact is that I overlooked this 3 times. During the years that this event was split we used the short tee's instead of moving baskets, we have used short tee's the first round every year since there were short tee's, and I did go over it and over it at the players meeting. It didn't occur to me that it was unnecessary until this years event was already under way.




last year we played all longs from cement tee pads every round

How come the final 9 scores aren't listed? Just curious.

I have gained more respect for TD's since I quit playing (taking time off) than when I was playing. It is so much easier to complain when you are playing the tournament. I have played in some really great tournaments. However, none was perfect. All had flaws. I could find something to complain about at each.
Casual observance is better than even volunteer assistance in gaining respect. I sure am glad I am not the person who volunteered my time and put the tee sign on hole 8. I am sure that person feels real bad about what happened.
Only a couple times I was on that side of the tent. Each time Saturday, I heard Brian Mace say he hopes everyone finishes before dark. He was genuinely concerned. I could tell by his demeanor that he was concerned about EVERYONE having a good time.
Additionally, as a casual observer, I am able to walk around and watch people at all levels play different holes. I heard some confusion. I witnessed some confusion and frustration. Some of the frustration came from players I never thought I would see it from.

I guess it is true for disc golf as in ball golf, a round of golf shows a person's true character in life.

Thanks, Mace, for a satisfying weekend of golf. I would have preferred warmer weather, but I think I can blame the meteorologists for that.
As for the temp course, it was a nice way to ease into the tournament, knowing what lay ahead for the next two rounds :o. Although there were a number of "must have" holes and relatively few situations that could truly ruin your round (the 5 and 6 i took on zboaz #6 and 2, respectively, come to mind), it was a course that great disc golfers SHOULD have been able to master the first time through, and I think those who didn't are the ones voicing the loudest complaints. Not every round in every tournament must be played on a course that requires marksmanship to get 2's and 3's, and that's what some players aren't willing to come to grips with. It was rewarding to play fairly well on the temp course and get the opportunity to play with Barry and Pepper for the first time during our second round, and for that I am thankful.
Regarding the fiasco at hole 8 (shorts), it was my card that made the decision to move the trashcan onto the long box before we played the hole. We were not fully aware of any groups who had played from that position in front of us, but we realized that others might be confused by the tee sign and relatively inconspicuous rubber flypad at the short position, so we decided as a group to save those behind us from that misfortune if possible. Say what you will, but we were simply trying to help our fellow golfers, not penalize those who had already made a mistake.
Once again, thanks for your hard work, even if you were forced to accomodate for more players than you had anticipated. ;)

<font color="red">Chris Flesner you are at the top of this list, you need to work on your game (obviously if you had played better you would have been a little more silent) and your image and STFU! You are clueless and your people skills suck. You don't know the first thing about course design and even less about event operation. I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz. You came here, you are not from here, and I have heard enough from you to last a life time. </font>


LOL. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
I played like crap there is no hiding from that fact, but I do know you should not see 5 baskets when you are playing your hole. Dont worry I will never play another one of your events agian, and you can take that to the bank. :p

And the last I checked this is not your home course either.

Mace (2),

Thanks for the event. I put the trash can on #18 short so no one would go there, and moving the trash can to #8 was a good idea, those that missed it, yeah it stinks, but the back of the card I thought had all the #'s of the short pads. It was my second time on the course, and I did not get too confused, but fortunately I had a local on my card.

I would have preferred to play the big course 2x, was unaware of the format, and am not a big fan of temp courses, but I did not read any information about the event, and headed in the cart down from KC with the 14-16 of us. So I have no one to blame but me, and as bad as I play I was not going to pony up the extra $$, I just wanted to play some warm disc golf, so you guys sucked in that category, and I think that you should move the jet stream when you have a tourney for all of us. Make it happen!!

I think overall none of us played as well as we would have liked, but given the reality that people drove over 500 miles that did NOT pre-register, Mace did not ruin the weekend for a few, he let everyone in. Not sure I would have, but I bet I would be upset with people that drive that far and do not register. You knew you were coming even Wednesday, get in front of a computer and get paid. You can always add holes in a crunch and that happened.

Who knows what is right, but taking time to run an event is never easy, when you have 27 people show up the day before and try to get in, you have a decision to make. Fortunately for us in KC we have enough courses where we could alter the layout of what courses would be played, how many people would complain about that though? No one I am sure!
:)

Wide Open is 25 years old we want to have a great event. ALL Divisions will play 3 days, and we want it to be the biggest event ever in the history of the Wide Open, that means more than 330 people we want, help us make the storied event even better by having you here!

Thanks for the undying devotion to team Mace and staff, it is never easy and I personally thank you for having a cut, the Stars game was a great way to end the weekend, especially from the 3rd row!!

THanks folks!

Jack

What time is the players meeting?

There are many things that many of you don't understand about running an event of any size. Some of you that are making the most noise couldn't even run a weekly one round event without a significant amount of help....I am not going to name many names but Chris Flesner you are at the top of this list, you need to work on your game (obviously if you had played better you would have been a little more silent) and your image and STFU! You are clueless and your people skills suck. You don't know the first thing about course design and even less about event operation. I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz. You came here, you are not from here, and I have heard enough from you to last a life time.



lol good one Mace, that was funny, I spit up Mt Dew all over my computer.

Back to hole #8...Do all the players a favor and get rid of the lame-o short tee on that hole and bring back the short pin...That's one of the best holes out at Z-Boaz along with short pin #2...You guys spent alot of time and effort building those sweet tee pads, there is no need to play that lame hole...Rubber is meant for condoms not tee pads :p

I know I make this argument every year, but the course designer in me cringes when we don't play the best holes in lew of longer holes...Longer is not always better. Short pins on 2 &amp; 8 are WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better holes. Long 2 is bad pin placement out there in the middle of the field...rip that pin and tuck it behind the Cedar Tree up on the top level and bring the road into play, now that would be a good hole (GOOD Move on the MANDO on that hole by the way)



Mace you know I'm not mad atcha, I have ran tournaments, one that had over 140 people and I know it can be a pain in the rear. There is always things that happen that you never think will happen.

By the way my putter has been located so no need to throw ROCs at anyone. :D I really wasn't mad I just wanted to hear Mel Gibson say GIVE ME BACK MY SON about 40 times :D


Thanks for the event. I put the trash can on #18 short so no one would go there, and moving the trash can to #8 was a good idea, those that missed it, yeah it stinks, but the back of the card I thought had all the #'s of the short pads. It was my second time on the course, and I did not get too confused, but fortunately I had a local on my card.


The back of our scorecards said play all long tees, but I heard at the players meeting play short tees, just forgot about the ole rubber one.

No worries about moving the trash can on the tee, It's was just $40, It's not like I need it or anything, but whenever my baby wants that new video game I'll have to tell HIM that I couldn't afford it cause some donkey moved a trash can on the tee pad......JUST KIDDIN! Blahhhhhh Blahhhhhhh :D

I agree- holes 2 and 8 are better from the short pin location;it makes hole#2 a little easier but on hole #8 IMO it adds risk/reward.oops I just agreed with an Okie. :D

For those whom dont know, we have issues with 8's short pin. That lock for the bucket will have to be cut. Easier said than done .......

Brian currently has 9 sleeve's for the Z. Expect things to change.... For example, we should be getting the real short tee for hole 4 back in the ground ( yeah !!! )

I would expect to see an additional sleeve for hole's 1, 4, 5, 10, 11, 13, 16, 17......... These are more or less guesstimates/. Who knows what will eventually happen..

If I had sleeves and a say I would.......

Add a longer pin location on 14 of the little hill so that putting can become a tense situation.

15 could go longer and closer to the creek now ...THAT WOULD BE SUPER SWEEEEEET!! turn that bad boy into a legitimate par 4.

How about another sleeve on 17 move it right and the other side of the creek.....WOWZA!!!!

For those whom dont know, we have issues with 8's short pin. That lock for the bucket will have to be cut. Easier said than done .......

Brian currently has 9 sleeve's for the Z. Expect things to change.... For example, we should be getting the real short tee for hole 4 back in the ground ( yeah !!! )

I would expect to see an additional sleeve for hole's 1, 4, 5, 10, 11, 13, 16, 17......... These are more or less guesstimates/. Who knows what will eventually happen

sounds like all good things but if you only play 1 round there and more rounds at a temp course what good does it :D

We shall see in time .....

I am pushing for legitimate par 4's @ the Z....

Hole 4 comes close, but we need something better than that .

I would like to see the z play @ a par 57/58.....

<font color="red">Chris Flesner you are at the top of this list, you need to work on your game (obviously if you had played better you would have been a little more silent) and your image and STFU! You are clueless and your people skills suck. You don't know the first thing about course design and even less about event operation. I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz. You came here, you are not from here, and I have heard enough from you to last a life time. </font>


LOL. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
I played like crap there is no hiding from that fact, but I do know you should not see 5 baskets when you are playing your hole. Dont worry I will never play another one of your events agian, and you can take that to the bank. :p

And the last I checked this is not your home course either.



I give the over/under of MaceMan events that the Fles skips before he plays another MaceMan tourney is 2 :D

seewhere- You make a valid point ... A valid point that has been made about 100 time's on this thread......

Seriously, next year the Funkytown Flyers Club will have a course in the ground ..... It could be played for the Open.

We shall see in time .....

I am pushing for legitimate par 4's @ the Z....

Hole 4 comes close, but we need something better than that .

I would like to see the z play @ a par 57/58.....



if you wanted to do more clearing on 16 you could take a left turn about 100 ft from where the basket is now and add another 150-200 ft on it, there's another par 4 to go with 4,12, and long pin 15 :DI want my designer fee :Dj/k

The only reason I even am talking on this thread about the Mighty Z is that I have been there from the beginning and I love how that track has come around over the years. It's a GREAT change of pace from most Tejas courses. I remember when it was barely playable, when I used to fall in the creek at least once every round :D It's a great Track I enjoy it ;)

There is not as much room behind 16 as you think. You come up on the R&R track quicker than you think.

I know now that the rough on the left of 16 is B R U T A L place to land. It was my round killer

I know now that the rough on the left of 16 is B R U T A L place to land. It was my round killer



I thought is was your "limp monkey schlong" style putt that did it for ya!

It's funny, everytime I see somebody on that tee they have an understable driver in their hands... Silly. A midrange
is enough for the birdie on that hole .

You have hopefully learned your lesson k-mack....

I threw my roc in there

then tried the back facing the basket, over the head, cut roller out of the rough. It didn't work as well as I was imagining it would

lol

If you do some digging in there , you will find years worth of plastic. That place seems to be the Bermuda Triangle of Texas disc golf ... I literally watched a disc disappear 10 feet in front of my face one time on that hole..... AMAZING.

Hey Kevin, Courtney had me rolling on Sunday...... Did not take long for those hormones to kick in... Congrats pappa!

I think we all have a vision on new sleeves and hole placements for z-boaz.. I hope we get to have our say in how it turns out... and what kevin said..

ce

Was great to be back at Zboaz after playing it during our evacuation during Rita. Jarred and I had a great time at the tournament! Thanks, Brian and all the volunteers. Was good fun on the Advanced Masters cards. Nice win, Jack. Great to play with all you guys. Todd we really got some golf in this weekend. Nice shootin', Steven. I'll beat you guys yet. :DShout out to Jack whose drive on the main hole of discussion; hole 8 (longs) lands about 8 ft. directly past the basket for the drop in bird. I had to hit a 25 footer to get mine! :cool: May see some of you guys in Temple next Sat.

last year we played all longs from cement tee pads every round

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very true

I like the idea of playing all 3 rounds at Zboaz again. but if we have to, I like the setup we played a few years ago, across the creek from the temp course this year. I remember crossing that bridge and playing a couple holes by 5 and 6. I think that was a pretty good course..

Happy Birthday Sprout!!!!!

Happy B-day Eric, it was nice meeting you this weekend.

I know this question has been asked a couple times on this thread already, but I'll go once more: (when) are the final 9 scores/final scores going to be posted?

Here (Here is the results with the scoring corrected according to the number of holes.) is the results with the scoring corrected according to the number of holes. You may think you played all long, but we have always played shorts the first.

I remember playing shorts in the 1st round last year.

I remember playing shorts in the 1st round last year.



I'm 99% sure that we didn't. I mean even was over 1000 last year and I doubt that was from the shorts.

mace your link does not work

try this

Final scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6474#Open)

No, look at the scores.

We played the 1st round at lake Weatherford, the 2nd round short ZBoaz and the 3rd round long ZBoaz.

I blew up on the shorts, and played much better on the longs. I am one of the few players who played better on the longs than the shorts.

2006 scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5468#Masters)

wow mace paid 50% of the field in all divisions that was nice of him :p

those show round ratings for the final 9... although 9-hole rounds aren't ratable, correct?

they are rateble but the PDGA does not use them in figuring out player ratings

No, look at the scores.

We played the 1st round at lake Weatherford, the 2nd round short ZBoaz and the 3rd round long ZBoaz.

I blew up on the shorts, and played much better on the longs. I am one of the few players who played better on the longs than the shorts.

2006 scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5468#Masters)



Nope your wrong. :DWe played Longs the 2nd round because I remember Nolan shooting that sick -7.

Remember a 54 last year from the longs is the same as a 57 this year because we had an extra hole. A 57 this year from the shorts was rated 985 and last year a 54(18 holes) was rated 1021.

Ratings, Schmatings, Thats because the rating systems gives no love for the REAL golf courses(par 60 and higher). They were designed for throwing on par 54

Here (Here is the results with the scoring corrected according to the number of holes.) is the results with the scoring corrected according to the number of holes. You may think you played all long, but we have always played shorts the first.



those first round scores are from weatherford not z-boaz. the adv field played all longs at z-boaz i promise you. the main reason i know is because my first thousand rated round ever came during the first round of z-boaz 2006 from the longs.

No, look at the scores.

We played the 1st round at lake Weatherford, the 2nd round short ZBoaz and the 3rd round long ZBoaz.

I blew up on the shorts, and played much better on the longs. I am one of the few players who played better on the longs than the shorts.

2006 scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5468#Masters)



thats funny considering nolan set the course record from the longs during the second round last year

Maybe somebody needs to stay away from the green to refresh his memory. :p

I remember being 7 over after 5 holes from the long tees the second round last year.

I remember being 4 over after one hole this year from the longs.

Ratings, Schmatings, Thats because the rating systems gives no love for the REAL golf courses(par 60 and higher). They were designed for throwing on par 54



If that were really true, how can the top players keep their ratings where they are considering that they play more SSA 60+ courses than anyone else? Their ratings are slightly higher in B-tiers and above. Feldberg's, Barry's and Avery's ratings are always hurt more in C-tiers. Why is there a higher percentage of 1000+ rated players in the MADC area where there are more SSA 60+ courses? The myth that higher SSA courses somehow hurt ratings is just an excuse.

I know Z-Boaz is still fresh on everyone's mind, and not to change the subject, but...

Has anyone been to or heard any recent updates on Crawford park? The last time I went (few months ago), there were only 13-14 baskets in the ground. I've heard a few different rumors about the course...one guy said there is a new layout for the back 9, others are saying the NTS event won't even happen there this year. Any idea?

I asked Brian about this yesterday. Not sure if the course is fully out there or not, but he was going to confirm the event at Crawford and the Match Play has moved up one week on the schedule

The Parks department has restated their strong support for the course and will be working hard to repair the baskets that have been damaged.

We are working to replace the one basket that was stolen.

There will be some rework of 12-15 due to serious erosion problems around the overflow creek.

There will be at least 18 holes in the ground for the April event.

Great to hear this! That Park was a awesome!

There is certianly no reason to believe the person that ran the event, but think what you want.

The Match Play Event is moved up a week. Saturday March 3 is the date.

Is Z Boaz Fun? ? ? ? ? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Is Z Boaz Fun? ? ? ? ? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:



About as much fun as setting your arm on fire .........
Or posting bail..............
Or rubbing a buddah belly........
Or ......
:D

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Are there any water holes at the Crawford Park ? What kind of course is it, open, wooded, long, short ? Not to change the courses, but don't forget about bring your own partner doubles tomorrow at Crowley. 10am

Are there any water holes at the Crawford Park ? What kind of course is it, open, wooded, long, short ? Not to change the courses, but don't forget about bring your own partner doubles tomorrow at Crowley. 10am


there are a few water holes, including 2 over the pond and 2 or 3 that go near the creek.
It has some sortof open holes, but most of the course is very wooded for Texas (less open than ZBoaz or Cedar Hill)

Very long holes with tough fairways. I have not played sense last years maceman event, so hopefully it has opened up some more (in a good way)

I look forward to playing the course again, hopefully I can work it out.

Wow, the Z-Boaz Open is up on DGTV.. .Sweet....
Too bad there is not one clip of the actual Z-Boaz course ..
:(
That kind of sucks, I hope the world does not think that was the mighty Z ... It was more like the Mighty Z's little sisters baby doll....

Wow, the Z-Boaz Open is up on DGTV.. .Sweet....
Too bad there is not one clip of the actual Z-Boaz course ..
:(
That kind of sucks, I hope the world does not think that was the mighty Z ... It was more like the Mighty Z's little sisters baby doll....




Hey What Is The Mighty Z . . . . . I never saw it . . . . What's it like . . . is it F u n? ? ? ? :p :p :p

The way that you golf...probably not any fun! ;)

We should call it the TEMP COURSE OPEN :p

Hey Mace, was there a white CE Firebird in the lost and found?

I lost it on hole 4 at the temp course.

The way that you golf...probably not any fun! ;)



you got me . . . . . your a winner . . . . :D:D:D:D

See ya next year @ the Temp Course Open !!! :D

Thx for caddying for me Guy, it sux that my bagged ripped right before the final 9. :D

My Pleasure . . . . .I wanted to see what Z Boaz looked like . . . . . . Is it Fun ? ? ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz.


Hey Chris,
You can call Crowley your home course if you like. We need some more pros that call Crowley home.

Hey Mace, was there a white CE Firebird in the lost and found?

I lost it on hole 4 at the temp course.

its already on e-bay! :eek:

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I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz.

Your right . . . . I've only played Z Boaz once in my life . . . .Is it Fun? ? ? :p :p :p

I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz.


Hey Chris,
You can call Crowley your home course if you like. We need some more pros that call Crowley home.



After the way I have been playing the last couple of weeks I don't know if you can call me a pro. :D

Maybe I should give gateway a call.

I hope you don't play next year and you go back to wherever your real home course is because it is not Z Boaz.


Hey Chris,
You can call Crowley your home course if you like. We need some more pros that call Crowley home.



You guys can hold hands

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Maybe I should give gateway a call.



Chris,
You have never made me laugh that hard in my life!!!!!!
Now I have to clean all the snot off of my monitor! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The Match Play Event is moved up a week. Saturday March 3 is the date.


Might be a good idea to get some stuff posted here and at maceman.com about this event. I've attended nearly every event in this series this year (all except Crowley - including both days at the PIO) but I'm still kinda foggy as to some of the details for the next event.

Mace, what's the cost, format, sanctioning, location, etc? Inquiring minds want to know :D

Here is a little info on match play according to the USGA

Definitions
All defined terms are in italics and are listed alphabetically in the Definitions section.

2-1 General
A match consists of one side playing against another over a stipulated round unless otherwise decreed by the Committee.
In match play the game is played by holes.
Except as otherwise provided in the Rules, a hole is won by the side that holes its ball in the fewer strokes. In a handicap match the lower net score wins the hole.
The state of the match is expressed by the terms: so many �holes up�� or �all square,�� and so many �to play.��
A side is �dormie�� when it is as many holes up as there are holes remaining to be played.

2-2 Halved Hole
A hole is halved if each side holes out in the same number of strokes.
When a player has holed out and his opponent has been left with a stroke for the half, if the player subsequently incurs a penalty, the hole is halved.

2-3 Winner of Match
A match is won when one side leads by a number of holes greater than the number remaining to be played.
If there is a tie, the Committee may extend the stipulated round by as many holes as are required for a match to be won.

2-4 Concession of Next Stroke, Hole or Match
A player may concede his opponent�s next stroke at any time provided the opponent�s ball is at rest. The opponent is considered to have holed out with his next stroke and the ball may be removed by either side.
A player may concede a hole at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that hole.
A player may concede a match at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that match.
A concession may not be declined or withdrawn.
(Ball overhanging hole � see Rule 16-2.)

2-5 Doubt as to Procedure; Disputes and Claims
In match play, if a doubt or dispute arises between the players, a player may make a claim. If no duly authorized representative of the Committee is available within a reasonable time, the players must continue the match without delay. The Committee may consider a claim only if the player making the claim notifies his opponent (i) that he is making a claim, (ii) of the facts of the situation and (iii) that he wants a ruling. The claim must be made before any player in the match plays from the next teeing ground or, in the case of the last hole of the match, before all players in the match leave the putting green.
A later claim may not be considered by the Committee unless it is based on facts previously unknown to the player making the claim and he had been given wrong information (Rules 6-2a and 9) by an opponent.
Once the result of the match has been officially announced, a later claim may not be considered by the Committee unless it is satisfied that the opponent knew he was giving wrong information.

2-6 General Penalty
The penalty for a breach of a Rule in match play is loss of hole except when otherwise provided.

great info... when can we sign up on maceman.com?

Wouldn't "any time prior to the conclusion"
include "any time prior to the start or conclusion" ?

You can register right now here. (http://www.maceman.com/cgi-bin/agora.cgi?product=Registration)

I have decided not to sanction this event due to the format of this event. Match play is a very fun format, but it doesn't count to your rating so it is not worth it to charge the extra money to sanction it.

what do people think about a top 1/3 payout instead of the flat PDGA payouts since it isn't sanctioned? If the cost is the same to enter the payouts could be much better....if you play CH safe. Brian?

Lee - how many funkyones are coming that you know of? My bag tag doesn't get to see many others on our side of town :p

I guess I am in the middle somewhere. I think that it is good to pay deeper than the top 3rd, but not all the way to top half. I am bound to the PDGA guidelines for the most part on the payout for sacntioned events. There is a %5 option in the open divisions, with no option in the am divisions this year.

Lee - how many funkyones are coming that you know of? My bag tag doesn't get to see many others on our side of town :p



Not sure my friend... Unfortunately I am working that Saturday, so Captain Funky himself will not be in attendance... :(

I guess I am in the middle somewhere. I think that it is good to pay deeper than the top 3rd, but not all the way to top half. I am bound to the PDGA guidelines for the most part on the payout for sacntioned events. There is a %5 option in the open divisions, with no option in the am divisions this year.



yea, I am not happy about that either :mad:

<font color="green"> Ladies! The Paul Giles Memorial in Athens, TX (#9 on the North TX Series) is being held on April 28 & 29. There's nothing else going on that weekend in Texas so you should all try to come out and play. We hardly ever have a good turn-out of women, so newcomers to the sport will all have a fair chance placing. The course is beautiful and technically challenging, with long and short holes, lots of trees, water on a couple of holes - etc. Got junior boys or girls wanting more tournament experience? Bring them too! It's sure to be a great tournament, what with Maceman as the TD and all. Hope to see you there! While I am relatively new to the sport, I'll be playing Women's Rec - and I'd love to see more women out there in all the divisions </font> :D
<font color="purple">Jenn Nolan :p</font>

Brian, You got any more of those $1500 Roc's?? :D

Not that I want to let go of right now.

I guess I am a 1/3 advocate, but I am glad to see you both agree the new structure is too flat. This isn't sanctioned...do what you want :D

See you there...I am signing up right now

Let me know you rcvd my registration MACE...

your website is still silly

Is there really a course known as Z-Boaz? Is it as fake as ke'Ohana? If not, is it fun to play? :D

Is there a disc golfer named My Hero??????If so, when can he come out and play?

:cool:WWUUZZZUUPP? Im only 9 months old,So please bear with me..I cant wait to start playing disc golf! I watch my daddy and GRANDAD play .It sure looks fun. My Great Grandma used to live in Temple. On the corner of 3rd and Ave.I Then the Mayor bought the home from her. I think it turned commercial. 110 yr. old home. I have heard alot about this. MY HERO guy. " posts too much, and soforth. NOT to mention the PIZZA LORD, I think it is, Usually nonsense. I heard. Plus, I cant even eat Pizza yet!! WWAAAA!! Later. "AFK" ;)

Adam Murphy is the first one to register for The Match Play Event. :D

:cool:Hi! BM!

What beer will they have ?

:cool:Keystone? not light. Thats what Grandpa Likes ;)

:cool:Im still waiting on a BM! AFK

Mace,

Were you going to do trophy metal mini's for the top 3 spots in the major divisions for both of these events? If so, are you going to mail them out or do we need to show up at an event somewhere?

Thanks,
DH

3rd place mini.... :D

bring it next weekend DH...I am already up $231

I will be doing Mini's for top 3 in divisions at Cedar Hill that had enough people to warrent that, in others 1st/2nd (smaller divisions) or just 1st (smallest). I will have them available (I hope) next weekend if they come in. I usually make them available for pickup at an event and if they aren't picked up them I mail them.

I am also doing Metal Mini's for The Mid-week. Doing Tiles For Z Boaz.

3rd place mini.... :D



Well i was shooting for 1st, but my putter got in the way. Better 3rd than 4th! Or...18th!

top 3 for all three tournaments or just cedar hill?

Cedar Hill and Z Boaz, C-tier and below is just 1st place.

whoooohoooo match play

weather is looking good, signing up on maceman.com today. See y'all at CH

oh yeah, happy b-day to "that guy". come up to CH this weekend if you want your b-day whoopin' :D

His arm is on fire.

have you seen him throw? His arm is anything but on fire ;)

looking forward to this weekend, bring on the match play

. . . . . .If I could drive. . . . . . DR. Nasty putt has had enough . . . . . D town Golfy . . . . ..

.................................................. .........Just run at it!!!!! :p :p :p :p

Brian

Not sure if you can provide a players list yet or not, but if so great and what time is the meeting on Saturday.

I talked to a few MM1 players to see if they will be able to field their own division or if we can convince them to play with the young guns.

See you Saturday

I am also doing Metal Mini's for The Mid-week. <font color="red"> </font> Doing Tiles For Z Boaz. <font color="red"> </font>

what do you mean tiles?? :confused:

what do you mean tiles?? :confused:



They are awesome, you will see it when you get your "first loser tile......."

It is actually a little cooler than my " First Loser Plaque " from Shreveport.

:D

you said it, i'm cooler than you are
it takes alot to be the master of the universe..
soon i will be the keeper of the Leprechaun..
you know what i'm taking about....
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we need nun-chucks
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The list is not too impressive as right now, but here it is:

Adam Murphy
Matt Weinberg
Mike Anderson
John Grantham
John Welsh
Jack Tabor

I know of a few others that are planning to be there so I am sure the list will be on the grow. I hope to see many of you this weekend.

you said it, i'm cooler than you are
it takes alot to be the master of the universe..
soon i will be the keeper of the Leprechaun..
you know what i'm taking about....
http://www.geocities.com/~the9man/Irish/irish.gif







we need nun-chucks
http://www.trippintees.com/images/nunchuckS.gif



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The list is not too impressive as right now, but here it is:

Adam Murphy
Matt Weinberg
Mike Anderson
John Grantham
John Welsh
Jack Tabor

I know of a few others that are planning to be there so I am sure the list will be on the grow. I hope to see many of you this weekend.



I plan on playing my first tournament in Cedar Hill this weekend... :D

I'm gonna hate getting my arse kicked at my own course...

BTW - Panera Bread will be at the park in the morning taking lunch orders for those the wish to participate.

Brian

What time is the meeting?

The meeting will be at 9am. Doubles will be at 4pm on Friday.

Brian,

You forgot me on that list :eek: :D:o:cool:

Ray - are you going to play with the old guys or can we just make ADV one big division this weekend?

I'll just have to wait and see if I play MM1 or MA2. I'm still waiting for my game to come back since I lost it during the third round of Waterlooooooooo last year :o:D:eek:

good luck this weekend guys.
won't be able to be there physically.
but i will be there in spirit.
mace i'll see you at the Z..

hey mace will you have any tiles with you on sunday... i just want to see what they look like...
yours truely
the most impatient person
drunk dre

will you have any trophies with you tonight at dubs? I wont be able to play this event but will be at cedar hill after work this afternoon.

The trophies are not ready yet. There are in the works.

Before everyone gets on here and tells me I left off the dates on the 3 other events, I am aware of that oversight. Here is the info with the dates:

North Texas Series Event #7 Match Play @ Cedar Hill
Has changed to Saturday March 3, match play is an
incredibly fun format that is similar to skins. Play is one
on one, with each hole being a heads up battle. If you
score better than your opponent you get one point. Each
match will be 6 holes, with everyone playing 6 matches
on the day. The winner will be the person with the most
points at the end of the day. Next season we hope to make
this an elimination event, but this year it is not. This 36
hole event is not sanctioned. Entry Fee�s JR $25, Rec
$30, Int $35, Adv $40, all Open $45.
Players meeting at 9AM
Pick your partner doubles at 4pm on the Beaver.

NTS Event #8 Crawford Park Saturday April 14
A 36 Hole PDGA C-tier Event. Entry Fee�s JR $25, Rec
$30, Int $35, Adv $40, all Open $45.
Players meeting at 9AM
Pick your partner doubles at 4pm.

NTS Event #9 Paul Giles Memorial April 28-29
A 72 Hole PDGA B-tier Event at Cain Park in Athens TX.
Entry Fee�s JR $25, Rec $30, Int $40, Adv $50, all
Open $60.
Players meeting at 9AM
Pick your partner doubles at 4pm Friday.

NTS Event #10 A to Z Doubles May 12-13
A 72 Hole PDGA B-tier Event at The Vet and Z Boaz.
The Format will be Best Shot, Alternate Shot, Team
Score, and The Evil Format (6 best, 6 alternate, 6 worst)
Entry Fee�s Rec $60, Int $80, Adv $100, all Open $130
(per team).
Players meeting at 9AM at Z Boaz, Day 1 Z Boaz, Day 2
at The Vet.
Pick your partner tough shot doubles at 6pm at The Vet.

Before everyone gets on here and tells me I left off the dates on the 3 other events, I am aware of that oversight.



You didn't want to see that mentioned a few hundred times? Don't you just hate it when something like that happens? My coworker mailed out a flyer to about 150 adults that had a date wrong! I'm sure she will get about 50 phone calls about that one. :p

Good luck to all this weekend. Wish I could be there all day. One of the simple sacrifices I made when I became a daddy.

Mace,

My memory is failing me, and I didn't have much success sifting throuh all of My Hero's song lyrics (:-P) and flesner's whining to find the answer earlier in this thread: What is the reward for event attendance during this series? Is there an event after A-Z that some of us get free entry into? I'm thinking that is the case, but I would appreciate some clarification.

skins silly goose

Mace,

My memory is failing me, and I didn't have much success sifting throuh all of My Hero's song lyrics (:-P) and flesner's whining to find the answer earlier in this thread: What is the reward for event attendance during this series? Is there an event after A-Z that some of us get free entry into? I'm thinking that is the case, but I would appreciate some clarification.



Look at the flyer on your fridge :D SKINS...


and we haven't found the SKINS disc yet :o

This is killing me. :(

Can't play this weekend (family obligations)

Can't play April 14th (to defend my last Masters win) due to a Boy Scout campout I already volenteered for.

and I don't do Doubles.

Hopefully I will make it to the skins match. Proved that you can suck and still make money last year :D