C'mon Nate Fellows and Chris Hoeg...under 13 is the only division I am watching! :D

ME 2 Bradley, Wiggins and Coggin are some Cackalackian youngsters who R going to be the Players of tomorrow, from the NC

Stay tune the blindman will respond in the morning when I read him the responses that were given. Shoul be a good one!

Stay tune the blindman will respond in the morning when I read him the responses that were given. Shoul be a good one!



I hope he's on my side. :D

Sorry wrong reply to the topic;

the blindman will reply in the morning when I can read the post to him.

as his eyes he is on your your side!! He is the only senior standing up for what is right

Sorry but if the amnesty thing was intended to allow players who have suffered injuries and such to move back down then why not have an amnesty every year?



Scoot_er, I know you're young (and therefore immortal) but you may, despite all of that, have hit on a great idea. Until we can require Pros to be qualified to become Pros, alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!

Sorry but if the amnesty thing was intended to allow players who have suffered injuries and such to move back down then why not have an amnesty every year?



Scoot_er, I know you're young (and therefore immortal) but you may, despite all of that, have hit on a great idea. Until we can require Pros to be qualified to become Pros, alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!


um no.....

um yes..........Most Fun Wins..............we are a tiny little sport with some coool f'n people....if you are 65 and want to play and have fun, then go ahead...lightn up francis :o

quiTTerZZ

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alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!



maybe the worst post I've ever read on the discussion board.

ditto this sport will never take off with thinking like that :confused:

[QUOTE]
alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!



maybe the worst post I've ever read on the discussion board.


BUMP !

*sarcasm voice* well I guess I need to make plans for playing am next year at the worlds.

I mean, why shouldn't I get a shot? I won 7 advanced tournaments and I've won a B Tier in open, cashed in every supertour I've played this year and made close 2,000 so far. I also finished 26th at am worlds 3 years ago. I without a doubt should have every right to go back and play am again!

Hey now, what about the guy who is in 3rd place in the E pool who won a tournament two weeks ago in Pro Masters and accepted the cash???



Can anyone confirm or deny that (NAME REMOVED) actually accepted cash before Am Worlds? When I look at his results, I don't see any Pro Master starts. What is the name of the event where he cashed?

If this is true, has anyone with direct knowledge personally informed Dave Gentry or the PDGA of the situation (via phone call or email)? I would think this matter should be addressed immediately.

If he has accepted cash(or prizes in lieu of cash), what are the possible consequences?

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alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!



maybe the worst post I've ever read on the discussion board.


BUMP !



BOD is sooooooo out of touch! Terry, could we move any slower? Time to hand off the torch.

A guy who was playing Advanced, winning 11 events in a row complaining about a guy who also used the rules to play Advanced GM.

Which one milked the system again?

Regarding Chuck Kennedy's response- Chuck I have the utmost respect for you. But I would like to address several issues you brought up. #1 you saw nothing wrong with the best player in the world playing am's, but Chuck how would you know when the best players in the world play pro. silly statement. #2- in your statement that in the older divisions most the pro players were really am's playing for cash. I remember several years ago at your tournament Your exact statement was there were probably only 5 or less true pros in all of disc golf so if you really believe your statement then wouldn't it apply to every division even open? #3- In your statement Pete May would like to see the pro seniors become ams so he can compete against him is upsurd. If you really know Pete as well as you say then you would really know that Pete has been obsessed with winning a world chapionship for the last 4 to 5 years. even to the point of designing courses for the pro worlds in his home town, hiring a personal trainer to get in the best shape of his life, paying his employees to be spotters, and still let a double digit lead slip away to Peter Shive. After that devastation he had to find another way to become a world champion. I know, lets have a champion from 60-64 and 65-69 OOPS Peter Shive is 66. I know lets have amnesty. Wake up and smell the roses. What were the benifits from amnesty this year? 4 am seniors pulled out of the worlds. 4 more than the last 3 yrs combined. I know of 4 or 5 other seniors that didn't register because they were disgruntled. I hope all the benifits for amnesty out way this. Shame on the BOD for getting Hood Winked. I understand if someone receives an injury and can't play Pro I have no problem with that. BUT NOT IN THE WORLDS KEEP IT PURE.

good response. ;)

A guy who was playing Advanced, winning 11 events in a row complaining about a guy who also used the rules to play Advanced GM.

Which one milked the system again?



LMAO

C'mon Nate Fellows and Chris Hoeg...under 13 is the only division I am watching! :D

ME 2 Bradley, Wiggins and Coggin are some Cackalackian youngsters who R going to be the Players of tomorrow, from the NC



I would love to see a video of these guys going at it...Where is Billy when you need him?

C'mon Nate Fellows and Chris Hoeg...under 13 is the only division I am watching! :D

ME 2 Bradley, Wiggins and Coggin are some Cackalackian youngsters who R going to be the Players of tomorrow, from the NC



Little Fellows is an Ohio boy and Hoeg is right next door in PA. They are both going to be great players as well. Kind of cool to see them growing up and knowing deep down they will be kicking my butt in a few years! :D

I know Jack personnally and I am having a very hard time believing this one. I also looked through all the local events and cannot see anywhere that he took money. I could of course be wrong, but I don't believe it. I can remember a rumor like this starting last year before World's about Jack then as well. It also was not true.




Can anyone confirm or deny that Jack Tabor actually accepted cash before Am Worlds? When I look at his results, I don't see any Pro Master starts. What is the name of the event where he cashed?

If this is true, has anyone with direct knowledge personally informed Dave Gentry or the PDGA of the situation (via phone call or email)? I would think this matter should be addressed immediately.

If he has accepted cash(or prizes in lieu of cash), what are the possible consequences?

I can't find any tournamnets that Jack even played Pro, let alone take cash. Besides that I just can't see Jack doing that, he's a straight up guy. he did play a tournament two weeks ago and took2nd in Adv Masters.

Charlie, you came to Mid-Nationals in 2005 which is the top level competition for those not willing or able to compete against the best players in their age or gender bracket. St. Louis is going to put on a great event this year. At some point in the future, there will be many more players going to Mid-Nats than Am Worlds. You and the other Sr GMs chose not to compete against the best in your age bracket and there's nothing wrong with that.

As most are aware, there's no specific rating that has yet been drawn between Pro vs Am skill level for any age in our sport. Until that is done, any distinction between am and pro is suspect and calls of bagging in that regard are meaningless. Just look at the amount of overlap in ratings between Open and Advanced for those entered in Pro Worlds or at any age level. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't have that Am/Pro ratings break for each age level, I'm just reflecting the current reality in our sport and Pete is only one person among many who have been on both sides of am and pro at the same skill level. He's just higher profile.

While I don't doubt Pete's competitive fire to win a DG title (or in any activity for that matter if you know Pete), he's already won titles in table tennis and has a great life that doesn't require that he use an "unfair gimmick" to win another title. Like any competitor, he uses what tools he has available within the current rules to get the best result. He was one vote on the Board that approved amnesty. His commitment to amateur sport has already been shown with his initiative and own funds to develop nationwide play at the college level.

Great response Chuck. But I will ask my question one more time for you and Terry. Fore evry action there is a reaction the BOD voted amnesty I have told you over a half dozen players or more that chose not not to play because of your ruling. Please tell me the benifits of your ruling in my senior am division?

He was one vote on the Board that approved amnesty. His commitment to amateur sport has already been shown with his initiative and own funds to develop nationwide play at the college level.



Hear here! No matter what you feel about the PDGA's decision to allow amateur amnesty, Pete's dedication to the sport of disc golf and years of service to PDGA members should never be in question.

Great response Chuck. But I will ask my question one more time for you and Terry. Fore evry action there is a reaction the BOD voted amnesty I have told you over a half dozen players or more that chose not not to play because of your ruling. Please tell me the benifits of your ruling in my senior am division?



Could we take that conversation to another thread? It would be nice to have this thread be solely dedicated to discussion about scores at the 2007 PDGA Amateur World Championships in Milwaukee, WI.

Please check out the following thread: http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=718647&page=0&vc=1#Post7 18647

Thanks. :cool:

Hey now, what about the guy who is in 3rd place in the E pool who won a tournament two weeks ago in Pro Masters and accepted the cash???



Can anyone confirm or deny that Jack Tabor actually accepted cash before Am Worlds? When I look at his results, I don't see any Pro Master starts. What is the name of the event where he cashed?

If this is true, has anyone with direct knowledge personally informed Dave Gentry or the PDGA of the situation (via phone call or email)? I would think this matter should be addressed immediately.

If he has accepted cash(or prizes in lieu of cash), what are the possible consequences?



Rhett is referring to Dieter who took cash in Shreveport two weeks prior to Worlds. The TD stated on the SN site:
Dieter returned the money he won once we found out about the stipulation. He only took the money because I told him it would be ok. He made the pdga official and the td aware of this when he arrived and they said it would not be a problem. I'm in the process of getting addresses for the rest of the Masters field so I can disperse his winnings properly. I know this is a hot topic, but theres still people dying in Iraq everyday.

I like Pete a whole lot but he has NO business playing in the same division where he just cashed $1200 just last year. (UNLESS he's playing left handed) ;)

Amnesty or not, there should be an asterisk in the record books if a 956 rated player moves down to AM, in an age protected division, and goes on to win. He was just 3 holes from winning his division at the PRO worlds the year before.

I don't blame Pete for taking what is given, but the people who decided on this rule should feel like they have egg on the face for this silly ruling.

I'm not sure what the final count was but maybe 100 or more players took amnesty and rejoined who might not have rejoined otherwise, possibly due to the dues increase or wanting to play in Am Worlds this year. Recognize that amnesty was supported by the Board not to discriminate against seniors or any other group but as a less severe alternative to forcing players to remain pro who couldn't compete at that level and further delaying the time when a hard line between am and pro may need to be set.

As a general comment, why would anyone expect to be a contender at the highest level in a sport even if they've been playing for years? For the vast majority of players in any sport, your opportunity if you get one and your choice to enter a high level competition should be more about wanting the experience if you're not truly a contender without making the choice based on which higher level players have entered. That was certainly my logic in dropping $225 for the USDGC when I got the opportunity on a sponsor exemption and proceeded to finsh second last.

Thanks for clearing that up. It would have been nice if an actual name was used in the original post instead of saying third place in X pool. Third place will change from round to round and someone reading this thread tomorrow could see a different name. I will now edit my original post to remove Jack's name.

Recognize that amnesty was supported by the Board not to discriminate against seniors or any other group but as a less severe alternative to forcing players to remain pro who couldn't compete at that level and further delaying the time when a hard line between am and pro may need to be set.



But a player who finished 2nd in Pro Worlds and cashing $1200, playing the same division in AMs...Yikes that Amnesty thing just made that ruling look like Orangutans are calling the shots

amnesty is in general a good concept but those taking it should be excluded from majors. 2nd place pro in such and such a division in 2006 playing for an am world championship in 2007= silly.

Lets get back to worlds..........

Dineen 5831ft
Dretzka 5434
New Dretzka 5360
Brown Deer 6057


This event will go down in history as the pitch-n-putt worlds, where Ams play like pros or is it Pros playing am, I'm so confused. . :( One out of the four courses offers a real challenge for the players and tests other parts of their game other than putting. A worlds competition should not be played on courses like this.

Last year the courses (6 of them not 4) had distances of
7549
6830
5773
6400
7200


The PDGA should have a set minimum standard for courses that worlds locations should have to meet to win a bid for the competition.
In addition, the bidding city should be able to provide a host hotel that can handle at least the majority of the players and functions. Not have 4 host hotels spread all over the city.
The Host should provide course maps that at the very least have hole distances, with a true description of the hole. Not just a straight line drawn on every hole. But after looking at the length of the courses and the scores, I'm sure most shots are on a stright line of less than 300ft. :eek:

And at least have pencils ready for the players when they get to the course. :o

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

did Pete know about his surgery before the amnesty vote

I will take amnesty when AM worlds is back in TEXAS!!!

Wasn't Pete on the board that voted for the amnesty? What a joke! I guess he found the only logical place he could hide from Pete Shive. Proposing world championships in 5 year incriments wasn't enough. This is really laughable.

Wasn't Pete on the board that voted for the amnesty? What a joke

why yes he was. :confused:

Lets get back to worlds..........



<font size=5>Couldn't agree more. Again, it would be nice to reserve this thread for Am Worlds scoring and course discussion and take the Amnesty issue to this thread: Pro's can turn AM now (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=718647&Main=601516#Post718647) </font>

Chuck: You said 100 or so took amnesty not counting Pete and Chuck from Augusta how many of those 100 or so are playing the am worlds? Remember 20 to 25 percent of the whole division of the am senior grandmaster chose to withdraw or not register. Talk about egg on your face.

Sorry but if the amnesty thing was intended to allow players who have suffered injuries and such to move back down then why not have an amnesty every year?



Scoot_er, I know you're young (and therefore immortal) but you may, despite all of that, have hit on a great idea. Until we can require Pros to be qualified to become Pros, alowing anyone who is Pro to amnesty out to Am on an annual basis is a GREAT idea!


um no.....



The only reason I posted that is because if the PDGA's intentions were to let Old players move back down then they should do it every year as that is only fair. Then again I never said that I think that was thier intention. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

A guy who was playing Advanced, winning 11 events in a row complaining about a guy who also used the rules to play Advanced GM.

Which one milked the system again?




I think it was more of having to wait to go to worlds in the middle of the year. Anyway didn't that guy play in Open a few times?

Remember 20 to 25 percent of the whole division of the am senior grandmaster chose to withdraw or not register. Talk about egg on your face.




No egg just readjusting your expectations. All of you qualify to shoot for a title at Mid-Nats based on your skill level. If you want to shoot for a top level title, everyone can't expect to be a contender nor is it the PDGA's position to make sure everyone has a shot at a top level title. They provide the opportunity for everyone to try though which is more than many sports which have qualifications beyond just being a member to attend their championships.

It's not unreasonable to think that the PDGA might set minimum rating requirements in the future to enter each division at Am and Pro Worlds in the same way other sports have qualifications for their top events. If a Sr. GM had to have a rating of at least 875 to contend for the Advanced Sr. GM title, Pete sliding sideways wouldn't make any difference because some of you wouldn't qualify for Am Worlds anyway. Take the opportunity to enjoy going to the major competitions as they are now in our sport because it will only get tougher to get in.

That's one reason we have am ratings brackets and the Mid-Nats so everyone does actually have a chance to excel in a major event no matter what their age, gender or skill level.

Remember 20 to 25 percent of the whole division of the am senior grandmaster chose to withdraw or not register. Talk about egg on your face.




No egg just readjusting your expectations. All of you qualify to shoot for a title at Mid-Nats based on your skill level. If you want to shoot for a top level title, everyone can't expect to be a contender nor is it the PDGA's position to make sure everyone has a shot at a top level title. They provide the opportunity for everyone to try though which is more than many sports which have qualifications beyond just being a member to attend their championships.

It's not unreasonable to think that the PDGA might set minimum rating requirements in the future to enter each division at Am and Pro Worlds in the same way other sports have qualifications for their top events. If a Sr. GM had to have a rating of at least 875 to contend for the Advanced Sr. GM title, Pete sliding sideways wouldn't make any difference because some of you wouldn't qualify for Am Worlds anyway. Take the opportunity to enjoy going to the major competitions as they are now in our sport because it will only get tougher to get in.

That's one reason we have am ratings brackets and the Mid-Nats so everyone does actually have a chance to excel in a major event no matter what their age, gender or skill level.



Actually the person with the highest rating in that division has an unfair advantage. We need divisions for EVERY rating. :D

Scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Advanced)

TEXAS BABY!! keep it going strong Anthony

Lets get back to worlds..........

Dineen 5831ft
Dretzka 5434
New Dretzka 5360
Brown Deer 6057


This event will go down in history as the pitch-n-putt worlds, where Ams play like pros or is it Pros playing am, I'm so confused. . :( One out of the four courses offers a real challenge for the players and tests other parts of their game other than putting. A worlds competition should not be played on courses like this.

Last year the courses (6 of them not 4) had distances of
7549
6830
5773
6400
7200


The PDGA should have a set minimum standard for courses that worlds locations should have to meet to win a bid for the competition.
In addition, the bidding city should be able to provide a host hotel that can handle at least the majority of the players and functions. Not have 4 host hotels spread all over the city.
The Host should provide course maps that at the very least have hole distances, with a true description of the hole. Not just a straight line drawn on every hole. But after looking at the length of the courses and the scores, I'm sure most shots are on a stright line of less than 300ft. :eek:

And at least have pencils ready for the players when they get to the course. :o

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Brown Deer was fine and known to be challenging, and I've been told that the land at Dineen was limited and there's basically no more room to extend it.

But they played the Dretzka New temporary course at the Greater Milwaukee Open in May, and the Dretzka Original has multiple tees and pin locations and has been used for pro competitions for years. I'm surprised that no tweaks were made after this tournament to yield courses tougher than SSA 45.0 and 46.2, which Dretzka new and Dretza original played at yesterday.

its just a shame that people have traveled from all over the country and the world to play courses like that.

It should be the events goal to deliver courses that present all kinds of challenges to your game. Courses that require a variety of shots and decision making.
Not courses that are drive, putt, drive putt, drive, putt.

NOT pitch-n-putts with SSA's of 45 and 46.

All I know is that if I had traveled that far and spent what it takes to attend an event like that I would be PO'd deluxe. :mad:

At the least it should be one out of four having the low SSA not 3 out of four.

Chuck- Once again my question was how many amnesty players that were pro and now ams are playing in the am worlds this year besides Pete and Chuck from Augusta. By the way I wonder why Pete chose the worlds instead of mid nationals if what your saying is true.

Keep it going Henry. Nice round.

I don't know and it wasn't a stated goal of the amnesty to get more Am Worlds participants. Am Worlds pulls well as it is so they don't need a boost from a policy.

Pete was planning to play both Worlds this year but he knew months ago his schedule wouldn't allow both. If he's feeling well enough I suspect he may go to St. Louis in September for Mid-Nats where both of us could play in the Blue division.

Chuck- Once again my question was how many amnesty players that were pro and now ams are playing in the am worlds this year besides Pete and Chuck from Augusta. By the way I wonder why Pete chose the worlds instead of mid nationals if what your saying is true.



Cobus is playing. I don't know about any others though.

Keep it up Anthony!!

Matt, what happened to Guillermo? He sleep in?

Chuck, are those ratings correct? Seem kind of low.

Keep rising Moon!!!!!!

Matt, what happened to Guillermo? He sleep in?

Chuck, are those ratings correct? Seem kind of low.

Keep rising Moon!!!!!!



My personal theory is that he has been smoking CrAcK but he denies it and says that he just couldn't hit a line that round. My other theory is that he infact was hitting a lot of lines during the round and that caused him to tweak out and shoot badly. :D

Jack Tabor doesn't play Pro and has not ever accepted cash

maybe you guys should worry about your own games and not guys that are shooting well..

besides I hear the courses are fairly easy in comparison to past worlds

Jack Tabor doesn't play Pro and has not ever accepted cash

maybe you guys should worry about your own games and not guys that are shooting well..

besides I hear the courses are fairly easy in comparison to past worlds



They were talking about the guy who is winning. He is still AM though and he declined the cash so its ok.

Murphy - change that freaking avatar! :mad:

Here's nice tid-bit from the scores: the top of the &lt;13 girls division is shooting 800+ rated golf! That's some excellent shooting from the young girls! Wow.

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



We could do nothing more to our courses and they would still be more challenging that this year.

I hope 2 host hotels 500 yards apart is not going to be bad. There are also other options because it is a joint Battle Creek/Kalamazoo thing.

The Worlds in 2008 will blow every previous Worlds out of the water and set the bar for World Championship events in the future.


Oh, and we have eyes everywhere.

how about the &lt;16 jr boy shooting 2 1000+ rounds?

He would be leading the whole thing.....I guess he can putt.

[The Worlds in 2008 will blow every previous Worlds out of the water and set the bar for World Championship events in the future.




I would loved to see it happen. Sounds like you are already planning to avoid some of this year's pitfalls.
I have heard nothing but good things about the courses up there. and wish you all the best of luck.
The luck part os for the weather, the rest can be handled through proper planning. ;)

That's some excellent shooting from the young girls! Wow.


or the courses are pitch and putts :eek:

Our own Jacob Loper (a PDGA DISCussion Board legend) had a sweet round of 52 this morning, generating a round rating more than 100 points above his player rating!

Who is Katie Stauss? She doesn't have a PDGA player rating but is crushing the Advanced Women's field by 7 strokes with 940 and 974 rated rounds. She also won mixed doubles with her partner Luke Reed on Monday.

LOPER!!

Lets get back to worlds..........

Dineen 5831ft
Dretzka 5434
New Dretzka 5360
Brown Deer 6057


This event will go down in history as the pitch-n-putt worlds, where Ams play like pros or is it Pros playing am, I'm so confused. . :( One out of the four courses offers a real challenge for the players and tests other parts of their game other than putting. A worlds competition should not be played on courses like this.

Last year the courses (6 of them not 4) had distances of
7549
6830
5773
6400
7200


The PDGA should have a set minimum standard for courses that worlds locations should have to meet to win a bid for the competition.
In addition, the bidding city should be able to provide a host hotel that can handle at least the majority of the players and functions. Not have 4 host hotels spread all over the city.
The Host should provide course maps that at the very least have hole distances, with a true description of the hole. Not just a straight line drawn on every hole. But after looking at the length of the courses and the scores, I'm sure most shots are on a stright line of less than 300ft. :eek:

And at least have pencils ready for the players when they get to the course. :o

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif





thank you, the locals have been pushing for this since we got the bid to host worlds, our courses have the settings to be long, its the td who chose these short settings, but oh well, this is still a lot of fun

Thats too bad. I'm sure the locals were pushing for the tougher layout. A committee should have that decision, not one person.
We'll see everyone's true feelings a couple of months after, when the evaluations are sent out.

Good luck, I know it has been a lot of work for all of you.
I just wish the scores reflected the difficulty you say the courses could have provided instead of the SSA's they are showing now. ;)

You have to understand that they play in 4 feet of snow like 11 months out of the year...It has to be short :D

how about the &lt;16 jr boy shooting 2 1000+ rounds?

He would be leading the whole thing.....I guess he can putt.

Yes, Chandler can putt. He can also drive (he had the longest drive in the distance contest). IMO he would be destroying the field if the course lengths were longer.

Here's nice tid-bit from the scores: the top of the &lt;13 girls division is shooting 800+ rated golf! That's some excellent shooting from the young girls! Wow.



And one of them is my niece! Kira was disappointed with her round today but is looking forward to bouncing back tomorrow.

As far as the courses go they have longer tees and tougher basket placements. It is my understanding that it was a PDGA decision to play these configurations. It might have to do with the tight schedule. They have 4 courses to play so they need to have 3 rounds per day on each course.

thank you, the locals have been pushing for this since we got the bid to host worlds, our courses have the settings to be long, its the td who chose these short settings, but oh well, this is still a lot of fun



I heard that the pin/tee positions were picked out by the PDGA (Gentry) and Terry went with that. :o

Question: What's the Lowest 18 hole Am Worlds score?? That 41 has to be close!! Greg Schwartz is representing Mil-Town Well!! :D

how about the &lt;16 jr boy shooting 2 1000+ rounds?

He would be leading the whole thing.....I guess he can putt.

Yes, Chandler can putt. He can also drive (he had the longest drive in the distance contest). IMO he would be destroying the field if the course lengths were longer.



I think he's talking about Ziggy in pool H. Although I agree with everything you said about Chandler. That kid has lit WA on fire this year, and his final score in this tourney will be in the top ten overall.

thank you, the locals have been pushing for this since we got the bid to host worlds, our courses have the settings to be long, its the td who chose these short settings, but oh well, this is still a lot of fun



I heard that the pin/tee positions were picked out by the PDGA (Gentry) and Terry went with that. :o

Question: What's the Lowest 18 hole Am Worlds score?? That 41 has to be close!! Greg Schwartz is representing Mil-Town Well!! :D



That is why is should be a requirement in order to host worlds you should have at least 6 courses that can be used.

Way to go Rob Lee. Picked up a stroke on Terry in the 2nd round. Keep it up, brutha!

Worlds sure is a lot of work for the td and staff. Great job so far with the quick score updates!

And congratulations to either Mitchell or Michael Prue (not sure who is who) on winning the 18 BLOOD RED MACH III BASKETS!! (the dga am worlds squall fundraiser) The baskets kick *****!!!! they hail from the appleton, wi area.

anyone know when the new shuffled pools will be posted?

ok the shuffle has been posted....but i noticed that it messes up the ratings. I assume because it thinks everyone played the same course in each pool.

yeah I noticed that also. I'm sure they are aware of it and will have it fixed soon.

It probably does think they played the same courses the same day etc based on the ratings now.

Cause I saw today at brown deer a 57 was a 951 rated round then it just changed.

Good luck all...!

also since I'm on here posting...
Not that I've hit an ace or anything, but the rumor is that the ace pool is huge, but if any aces are hit they don't get the cash. They actually get coupons to Lifetime disc sports (terry's company) for merch. Can anyone verify this?

If that is true that is the biggest bunch of crap.

But not unprecedented at an AMATEUR Worlds.

Here are some day two photos. From Dretzka.

Photos (http://shawnsinclair.com)

its true

I'm not sure it's possible to retain ratings with the online system once the shuffle is made because those now in the A pool came from four other pools and the software can't identify everyone from the original A pool to do the calculations. The only way to do it is the way I've done it for the past few Am Worlds as scorekeeper. Column R1 had the scores for Course A and column R2 had them for Course B, etc. so that even if a pool didn't play a course until their fourth round, that score went in the column for that course. Once the group was shuffled, it didn't make any difference which pool a player was in because their first score on course A was still in the same column.

If you did reserve a certian column for said course, but people played it at different times wouldn't this too skew the ratings?

how many advanced players make the cut to the semi's?

Only if the wind was significantly different for one or two pools. We combine scores from different rounds on the same course layout the way we're doing the calculations this year anyway so it would be closer to the official ratings by the time all pools played a course. Even if wind was a factor for some pools, the averaged number would still be much closer than the way it is now with Brown Deer being so much different from the other SSAs.

Chuck I pm'd you.

Since the shuffle the ratings are incorrect. We can all agree on that at least.

Example before the shuffle they had the scores and ratings done for the B Pool which played Brown Deer Park today. A 57 score was a 951 rating.

Now with the obviously mixed up pools the ratings are wrong for each and every person. It has a 57 as a 894 rated round which is wrong or off by 57 points.

So hopefully since you're not involved someone is looking into it.

Have fun everyone.

I think it was the top 68 including ties for the semi RJ.

Chuck,

Will Larry and I do the scores with your method next week? I'm thinking that because the difference in SSA is so great between lower SSA courses such as Chestnut Gold, Woodland Bear, and Blueberry Hill, and the high SSA Highbridge Gold that we will run into the same ratings issues after the shuffle.

hmmmm......hmmmm.......hmmmm got nothing to say, except why do we compare to the PGA?? Hmmmmm.

Yes. We'll actually have eight rounds plus a semi and final even though all divisions only play six rounds before the semi. All three scores per person for the first two days go in the appropriate first four columns and likewise for the last two days of prelims. There's another trick that we'll use so players know what course is in what column. It really only matters for Open since everyone else can have their course for each round mapped to their division online.

Well it looks like they already put the Mixed dubs and Divisional into the player profiles. So that begs the question, when will the tour stats be updated?

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



We could do nothing more to our courses and they would still be more challenging that this year.

I hope 2 host hotels 500 yards apart is not going to be bad. There are also other options because it is a joint Battle Creek/Kalamazoo thing.

The Worlds in 2008 will blow every previous Worlds out of the water and set the bar for World Championship events in the future.


Oh, and we have eyes everywhere.


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... cool ... . . . :cool:

also since I'm on here posting...
Not that I've hit an ace or anything, but the rumor is that the ace pool is huge, but if any aces are hit they don't get the cash. They actually get coupons to Lifetime disc sports (terry's company) for merch. Can anyone verify this?


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... that policy or decision is probably out-of-Terry's-hands , though ... prescribed to be done in this manner by the PDGA ... and I'm not saying it's such a "bad" thing &gt; "prizes instead of ca$h" ... it's just something that needs to be announced ahead-of-time , ay ? ... :)

If Pete beats me, the smile on my face will be as genuine as the one on my face at 11 am this morning :cool:



I could have sworn that Terry said something about the fact that Pete wouldn't beat him. So either I was seeing things or he deleted that part.

Anyway watch you back Terry cause Pete is coming for you. I still think Rob will win though and Pete's plans for a title will be thwarted once again.

GO BIG ROB

So are they fixing the scores and ratings?

I don't think 500+ players want to have incorrect ratings do you think?

I remember seeing that the fact the ace pool will be payed in script posted. I think it was on the GLDC thread.

So my buddy hit an Ace on the first day.

He paid $5 extra to be in the Ace fund. Rumor has it he is going to get his Ace money in funny money.

That is BOGUS!!!!!!!! What a way to make atleast 3X your money back. The Ace Fund should be split up by the number of aces that are hit.

So my buddy hit an Ace on the first day.

He paid $5 extra to be in the Ace fund. Rumor has it he is going to get his Ace money in funny money.

That is BOGUS!!!!!!!! What a way to make atleast 3X your money back. The Ace Fund should be split up by the number of aces that are hit.



The same happened last year and i do agree that it is BOGUS!

So are they fixing the scores and ratings?

I don't think 500+ players want to have incorrect ratings do you think?



Do you think that you posting every 30 minutes about it is it going to get it fixed any faster? ;) :p :D

[QUOTE]
Lets get back to worlds..........

Dineen 5831ft
Dretzka 5434
New Dretzka 5360
Brown Deer 6057


This event will go down in history as the pitch-n-putt worlds, where Ams play like pros or is it Pros playing am, I'm so confused. . :( One out of the four courses offers a real challenge for the players and tests other parts of their game other than putting. A worlds competition should not be played on courses like this.

Last year the courses (6 of them not 4) had distances of
7549
6830
5773
6400
7200


The PDGA should have a set minimum standard for courses that worlds locations should have to meet to win a bid for the competition.
In addition, the bidding city should be able to provide a host hotel that can handle at least the majority of the players and functions. Not have 4 host hotels spread all over the city.
The Host should provide course maps that at the very least have hole distances, with a true description of the hole. Not just a straight line drawn on every hole. But after looking at the length of the courses and the scores, I'm sure most shots are on a stright line of less than 300ft. :eek:

And at least have pencils ready for the players when they get to the course. :o

I just hope MI is watching what is going on this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif





Where to start with this.....
I have been involved with the preparation of worlds for over the past year. I have been involved in almost all aspects of the event, including course set up, sponsorships and pin layouts etc. The courses were tested with the GMO in May and was APPROVED BY THE PDGA. The Pin settings were NOT SET BY ONE PERSON!! Trust me, if we could accommodate the longer pin settings, we would. But as everyone says, if you want to play the toughest courses, play pro! The wind has been abnormally calm, which is also making the scoring very well.
As for hotels, Milwaukee does not have large hotels to accommodate 500+ players, and the ones we do are very pricy and are not close to the courses. We did the best we could with what we had to work with.
Running worlds, as I have found out this week, is a very demanding job, and I truly applaud Terry and David Gentry from the PDGA for the main organization of the event. We have had minimal complaints from the players and I THINK, the event is running with very few hiccups. We have awesome volunteers, and the players, for the most part, are giving high praise to the courses.
Thanks

Matt Brock, Sponsorship Manager

So my buddy hit an Ace on the first day.

He paid $5 extra to be in the Ace fund. Rumor has it he is going to get his Ace money in funny money.

That is BOGUS!!!!!!!! What a way to make atleast 3X your money back. The Ace Fund should be split up by the number of aces that are hit.



The same happened last year and i do agree that it is BOGUS!



It was stated in the players meeting it was in funny money.

I see nothing wrong with paying an ace out in funny money or whatever...lots of AM only events dont pay out cash for aces (dogwood crosstown classic for example)

I for one believe the courses are a good test, At least for us older guys. It may not be so for the advanced players. I have not heard one word, from the players I have spoken with, of complaint about the lack of difficulty with the courses. I'm having a great time and give props to Terry &amp; all the rest of the Milwaukee crew!

Why?

It isn't money paid into the entry fee. Why should the event make 3X it's $$$ or more off the Ace fund?

BOGUS!

So my buddy hit an Ace on the first day.

He paid $5 extra to be in the Ace fund. Rumor has it he is going to get his Ace money in funny money.

That is BOGUS!!!!!!!! What a way to make atleast 3X your money back. The Ace Fund should be split up by the number of aces that are hit.



The same happened last year and i do agree that it is BOGUS!



It was stated in the players meeting it was in funny money.



Yeah after they had already payed. Still BOGUS!

So my buddy hit an Ace on the first day.

He paid $5 extra to be in the Ace fund. Rumor has it he is going to get his Ace money in funny money.

That is BOGUS!!!!!!!! What a way to make atleast 3X your money back. The Ace Fund should be split up by the number of aces that are hit.



The same happened last year and i do agree that it is BOGUS!



It was stated in the players meeting it was in funny money.



Yeah after they had already payed. Still BOGUS!



If you have a issue with this, be proactive and contact the PDGA about your complaint. They have a link on the top of the page. I should get to sleep, i have another 12 hour day of working at the 2007 Am Worlds. Enjoy your discussion on the ace pool.
Also, big congrats to local Greg Schwartz winning after 3 rounds. Greg is a great guy and has volunteered his time to help install all of the new courses. He has been there trimming trees, pouring concrete etc. Great Job Greg!

Thanks Greg for all your hard work!!!

"THROW SOME D'S ON IT"

So are they fixing the scores and ratings?

I don't think 500+ players want to have incorrect ratings do you think?




I talked to one of the staff members and they mentioned there is a glitch in the ratings format for the pools and it is fixed after the event is over and probably on the next ratings.

So they're on it...... :D

keep it up Greg!! Nice shooting.

Courses are looking great. Weather is looking great!! Everyone have a fun day tomorrow and good luck!!

Josh

Here's where my money is riding on!

Next Am Champ! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=17995&amp;year=2007)

I got my $$$$ on the guys currently in 2nd.

Side bet for who finishes better?

Hate to bet against TX but those young kids are pretty good.
We can do $10 though Fishy.

I put up pictures from today at Dretzka New in the Discontinuum Gallery (see link below). Goto 2007 Events and then into the Worlds folder. If you want to watch the whole thing, I recommend watching it as a slide show (options in the upper left) and change the display time to 1 or 2 seconds. You'll get the best effect of the 5 FPS shots.

This was Pool E, Men's Advanced Masters. Most of them are of Bruce and his group but I also have a few pictures of some other groups. I mostly went up there to walk with Bruce for a round. I was not on assignment. ;) Discontinuum Gallery (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_gallery2&amp;Itemid=45)

Sweet! I want one of those new Quest Turbo Putters,

You'll get $10 &amp; a Day Pass out here.

Daddy Loper here:

Yep, ....Jacob did good this round ! I'm so very proud of both Jacob and Nathan (&lt;16 under) enjoying their first Worlds !!

What a great experience for them, and hope it's one of many more in thier future.

All the Juniors are doing well, and they play wonderfully! My hats off to each of them and giving thier best out here!

On that note....my nails are almost gone ! Ha. !!

Dlo

good stuff there Don, did Jacob get to play with Wigins Jr in the first round?

Rob Lee!! Within 2, baby!!! Be smart out there. Makin' Lubbock proud!:cool:

I got my $$$$ on the guys currently in 2nd.



Which two guys are you referring to?

my money has been on Tradd Rodenberg the whole time - played lots of golf with him and he has game

Your Money should be on that BLOG!!! :o

Can we have entry #3 yet!? ;)

I meant to say guy and I was talking about Paul.

My choice was Anthony Daman (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=17995&amp;year=2007) :cool:

Congratulations to Huntington Beach youngster Paul McBeth. He is currently in 2nd place after the first shuffle. This kid is the real deal.

Paul McBeth (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=27523)

[QUOTE]
If you want to play the toughest courses, play pro! [QUOTE]



This has to be the funniest statement of the day.
You're kidding, right?

[QUOTE]
As for hotels, Milwaukee does not have large hotels to accommodate 500+ players, and the ones we do are very pricy and are not close to the courses. We did the best we could with what we had to work with.[QUOTE]

This does nothing more than make my point. Part of the criteria other than needing 6 courses, The host city needs to have facilities that can accomodate a large group like this. Having 6 courses allows for more course diversity and only having to run two rounds per day, per course. I know you guys did what you could but IMO the PDGA should have tougher guidelines for a city to win a bid. We told our city it was required to host, so they put up the funds for two new courses. :eek:

Other than that I agree with everything you had to say in regards to hosting being an extremely demanding job.
I applaud all of the volunteers that care enough to donate their time and money to the event. :D

This is just my opinion and we all know what those are worth. ;)

NIck Phillups will win 19 &amp; under

Well I want Steve Parker and Jack Tabor to place well, but it looks to me like Deiter is gonna tie this one up in the Adv. Master division. He is a good player and his game appears to be on this week. He has a good game and is only one state over from Texas.... but

GO STEVE/JACK!!!

Well I want Steve Parker and Jack Tabor to place well, but it looks to me like Deiter is gonna tie this one up in the Adv. Master division. He is a good player and his game appears to be on this week. He has a good game and is only one state over from Texas.... but


Deiter is just good! His rating is low but he plays SN and not too many PDGA events.
GO STEVE/JACK!!!

A couple more posts on my blog (http://2007amworlds.blogspot.com/).

It's pretty enlightening to be here, having a great time, enjoying fun courses and a well-run event, reading nonsense from a handful of grumpy whiners and complainers. :cool:

Lighten up, go out a play a few rounds, maybe get a life, folks.

It's pretty enlightening to be here, having a great time, enjoying fun courses and a well-run event, reading nonsense from a handful of grumpy whiners and complainers. :cool:

Lighten up, go out a play a few rounds, maybe get a life, folks.



Amen to that!

The courses are set for score distribution, not max length. They could have chosen long tees or longer pin placements. But what's the point of making a hole where 90% of the players taking 3 on a hole and 10% taking worse? Each individual hole was looked at with having a good scoring distribution (perhaps 25% 2, 50% 3 and 25% 4 or worse) as the primary objective. They were also looked at in regards to all divisions playing the same hole and tee, not moving baskets between rounds or having some divisions playing off of different tees. Length just for the sake of length was not a consideration.

I love it how people who are not even here can make such conclusive arguments concerning the Milwaukee courses. I haven't heard the same 'concern' out of those who are playing them!

Oh, as a side note, it's been great meeting and talking to such a diverse group of competitors and participants. People of all ages, people from different contries, people who post here regularly, volunteer and vendor staff from all over and so on. What a wonderful group of people! :)

I am not faulting any group that would step up and take charge, good job. However, I have heard from players that are there and they were complaining about the courses being too easy. On the other hand they are not anywhere near the leader card, so they must have been wrong. ;)

I would have loved to have played regardless of what I have read and heard. Worlds is an experiance in and of itself.

It's pretty enlightening to be here, having a great time, enjoying fun courses and a well-run event, reading nonsense from a handful of grumpy whiners and complainers. :cool:

Lighten up, go out a play a few rounds, maybe get a life, folks.



I'm in agreement that the comments about BoD member Pete May were at best inappropriate and at worst slanderous allegations &amp; accusations, and nonsense conspiracy theories.

But I also think it's inappropriate to tell people to lighten up and "get a life." Some the points brought up were real concerns, such as host hotels spread out across the city and courses playing much shorter and easier than previous Am Worlds courses. That's an issue even if the scoring spreads are supposedly better across all divisions.

A couple more posts on my blog (http://2007amworlds.blogspot.com/).




From Terry's blog:


Behind us, off Hole 13, a group of Asian folks who were playing an interesting game, spinning tops with sticks and ropes. They were at it all day long! The top spinners were right up on the 10-meter circle for the target. On my final drive of the day, my disc drifted left and landed among them and we were aghast when one of the picked it up and threw it under the basket. Of course, my "buddies" wouldn't let me take that lie; however, the top spinners understood that we needed the spot I had really landed on marked, and they did it for us very graciously.



While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.

4th round scores from the 8:00am groups shouls be coming soon.

A couple more posts on my blog (http://2007amworlds.blogspot.com/).




From Terry's blog:


Behind us, off Hole 13, a group of Asian folks who were playing an interesting game, spinning tops with sticks and ropes. They were at it all day long! The top spinners were right up on the 10-meter circle for the target. On my final drive of the day, my disc drifted left and landed among them and we were aghast when one of the picked it up and threw it under the basket. Of course, my "buddies" wouldn't let me take that lie; however, the top spinners understood that we needed the spot I had really landed on marked, and they did it for us very graciously.



While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.



I noticed this also when I picked up the water jugs at the end of the day yesterday. I'll be talking with some folks around here on it, but it is a difficult situation. These folks have been playing 'tops' at this exact location for a couple of years, well before we put the disc golf course in. I also noticed them at that location during a work day a couple weeks ago. They are on the border of being in play, and I'm not sure the park folks there will be receptive to going up to the group and telling them they have to move. Its a Hmong group, good people just out enjoying the park, and English communication can be a challenge.

We also had people walking across fairways on occassion. Part of the challenge of an urban park, but disc golf is getting great exposure to a diverse population at Dineen.

Hot was 51 at Brown Deer this morning if I remember correctly. Couple guys under par but most scores were 56-58.

j/k, I meant 52, scores are up.

From Terry's blog:


Behind us, off Hole 13, a group of Asian folks who were playing an interesting game, spinning tops with sticks and ropes. They were at it all day long! The top spinners were right up on the 10-meter circle for the target. On my final drive of the day, my disc drifted left and landed among them and we were aghast when one of the picked it up and threw it under the basket. Of course, my "buddies" wouldn't let me take that lie; however, the top spinners understood that we needed the spot I had really landed on marked, and they did it for us very graciously.



While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.


I'm more aghast that Terry Calhoun would throw on a group of park users, ignoring rule 801.01 A which states "Players should not throw until they are certain that the thrown disc will not distract another player or potentially injure anyone present." :eek: :D :D :D

Hell yeah Will! Nice redemption from yesterday.

From Terry's blog:


Behind us, off Hole 13, a group of Asian folks who were playing an interesting game, spinning tops with sticks and ropes. They were at it all day long! The top spinners were right up on the 10-meter circle for the target. On my final drive of the day, my disc drifted left and landed among them and we were aghast when one of the picked it up and threw it under the basket. Of course, my "buddies" wouldn't let me take that lie; however, the top spinners understood that we needed the spot I had really landed on marked, and they did it for us very graciously.



While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.


I'm more aghast that Terry Calhoun would throw on a group of park users, ignoring rule 801.01 A which states "Players should not throw until they are certain that the thrown disc will not distract another player or potentially injure anyone present." :eek: :D :D :D



If they were spectators they would probably be in the right spot. They are aware of the discs and do watch out for them. They are hardly at risk for injury as they are at the end of the flight of the disc. Worlds or no Worlds it is still a multi-use park.

Please tell me that the ratings from yesterdays last rounds in the A pool are wrong....Did the top 15 guys in advance really play that poorly???

Millz, the scores were shuffled around. The ratings should be correct in the A pool now though.

Wiggins is slowly pulling away from the group and looks o b on his way to yet another World title.

Anthony Daman is only 3 back,.... I think I see the KICK!!! :eek:

Austin Disc Golf!!!! :cool:

I thinks its BS that someone can accept cash and play in open the same year they are playing am worlds.

His rating is 960 which is not even in the top ten highest ratings at AM Worlds.....Plus he is not even leading so what do you care???

WOW......lotz o complaints from the Inet people......
1.-YOUR NOT HERE
2.....see #1
3.....How many of you have run a World's? A-Tier? NT? Very few have, and still people that have not have something to say? I know a few of you do, but still then understand the undertaking for a 500+ event, and RELAX see #4
4....Get A life comment, very valid, you should seek it.....start by going outside and putting 100 times, then head to a course and teach someone new to play, then leave your computer and the chat room alone for a week. See if this helps you feel better
5....The courses are not the longest in the world, they are not the longest in the city, but they are the courses that each of us play. When you have to accomodate 500+ players, you have to have sacrifices, you have to play holes that "flow" well, which is typically not the longest hole that backs up the groups for 5 cards.
6....Hotels...well....you need them, and you work with what is available, and with disc golf budgets, you can't always be at the best hotel. I know I am fighting this right now. I want to put people up in a great place, but parking in $12/day, how many of you here would like to pay that? Thought SO!
7....Running Wolrds is a thankless job, taking care of people's vacation for a week of disc golf, SUX, the people that stepped to help in all areas should be crowned king or queen for the year, they deserve more than your petty comments about a course that you have not played, or you heard second hand about....see #4 if need be.
8....Temporary courses are a part of the worlds, and they should not be, MI and the beloved Kalamazoo area is doing it, which in my mind makes them no better than Milwaukee. We will be forced possibly to do it KC for a few courses, but only the last resort, as we have mnore courses heading in (3 before year end) and 2 more on the books, and planned to use one temp for the Jr division on the 1st ball golf course in KC. I HATE FLY PADS, would rather use MUD (of course I slipped and fell today on the wet one....so I am biased)but will use them as well in 2009
9...The staff, and people of the area have worked to hard to read about all the complaints that some of you have. The fact is that our sport is mostly in public parks, and people will alwyas be in the way of the World's until it is private (head North to Highbridge next week to avoid this), until our sport MAKES MONEY FOR THE P&amp;R expect this, deal with it, and Terry could not have waited for the spinners, nobody could, they were in mass in the area, though you can miss them if you hit the line.
finally 10......The World's is about golfing and beating people, and meeting new people, and having fun. The ace pool was a PDGA thing I think ( agree though it should be $$$) but was stated on early literature, you knew it heading into it.

THe wolrds has been run relatively smooth, very few hiccupps, the pins are easy to find, easy to see your line, so hit the shot, and win, or miss, and be upset, longer does not always mean better, and there is something to be said for accuracy, even at 250'.

If you are not here, you really have nothing to complain about. This event is running great, spotters, scores, everything has been good from this players prospective, and I am a little biased, and look a little differently than the average golfer.....Now if I could only find my game fomr the first round. .......That is what I should be complainig about.....

thanks to all that have helped with this event. I am enjoying it, even if my game does not show it!!

Jack

Are you seriously responding to my message??? All I said was he isnt even rated in the top ten players......If anyone wants to be upset about something it should be that Ziggy with a 979 ratings or whatever it is is playing in the boys 16 and under division and leading by 12 strokes with 3.5 rounds still to go!!! BAGGER BAGGER BAGGER LMFAO

I think he was commenting about the thread in general, and you just happened to be the last post he used to hit the 'Reply" button.

yes....I care not about the baggers, excpet those that I choose to chide...
:)

Yeah Millz. "Get a life." The world does not revolve around you. :o:D

i couldn't agree more shank hyzer. this could ultimately sully the pristine amateur image so carefully cultivated by the pdga. (please read with phlegmy sarcasm in voice.)

......If anyone wants to be upset about something it should be that Ziggy with a 979 ratings or whatever it is is playing in the boys 16 and under division and leading by 12 strokes with 3.5 rounds still to go!!! BAGGER BAGGER BAGGER LMFAO



Is the "Junior &lt; 16 boys" division playing the same layout as Adv?

Common Jack quit posting and get out there and practice your putts your representing KC. Don't let us down!!!

I need the blind man touch Charlie. I thought that you were gonna be here!!

he would have except for the lame amnesty thingy :confused:

Is the "Junior &lt; 16 boys" division playing the same layout as Adv?



Unless something has recently changed, all divisions are playing the same layout on all of the courses.

Just got off the phone with Becky (my wife) and if I heard her correct Kelsey just made up 9 throws on the lead. Waiting for the scores to post to make sure I heard her right.

Ziggy is the real deal the kid would have been in the top ten easily in adv but u know he wants to be a world champion and good luck to all the Michigan players in the later rounds.

Just got off the phone with Becky (my wife) and if I heard her correct Kelsey just made up 9 throws on the lead. Waiting for the scores to post to make sure I heard her right.



Scores just up and Kelsey is in third just 4 throws out! If you read Terry's blog you'll see Kelsey's picture when she was presented with the obelisk for getting the most jr girl points last year. She couldn't understand at first how she won it. She said to Bruce "I didn't play juniors at all last year, I played Rec Men!" :D

Just got off the phone with Becky (my wife) and if I heard her correct Kelsey just made up 9 throws on the lead. Waiting for the scores to post to make sure I heard her right.



Wow did the leader miss some holes this morning? She was playing at a 955 clip thats very Des like and then all of a sudden 67???? the pressures of a World Championship or just bad luck?

Tight course with a lot of trees. Katie is a strong thrower especially when compared to the rest of the Am Women, but Brown Deer is about hitting the fairway.

I wasn't there, so I'm just speculating.

Wow, that certainly made things interesting in the Advanced Women. A ten stroke lead is now down to just 3!

Nice change of events, makes it interesting now. ;)

Is the "Junior &lt; 16 boys" division playing the same layout as Adv?



Unless something has recently changed, all divisions are playing the same layout on all of the courses.



Which means yes, the frontrunner in Junior &lt; 16 Boys and several Junior &lt; 19 Boys would be on the lead card if they were playing in Advanced.

keep it up rocky, you're moving up the leader board!!! dawn you just keep on throwin solid rounds, you're doing great!! keep it up guys!!!

JJ

Is the "Junior &lt; 16 boys" division playing the same layout as Adv?



Unless something has recently changed, all divisions are playing the same layout on all of the courses.



Which means yes, the frontrunner in Junior &lt; 16 Boys and several Junior &lt; 19 Boys would be on the lead card if they were playing in Advanced.



No, that comparison doesn't hold as the Juniors have yet to shoot Brown Deer while the A pool Advanced have shot it twice.

That and the juniors only play brown deer once, and they played dineen twice... blah blah blah

Comparisons between divisions really doesnt hold 100% but it would be interesting given the same courses played what the juniors would be at in the adv field!

Way to go, bro!! :DRob Lee takes the lead in Seniors! Awesome, baby!!! :cool:Just keep doing what you're doing.

Go HB Mcbeth to win .Paul has a cannon and and a mean putt an x baseball pitcher.Westside briggin home the bacon....Go paullie..... ;)

That and the juniors only play brown deer once, and they played dineen twice... blah blah blah

Comparisons between divisions really doesnt hold 100% but it would be interesting given the same courses played what the juniors would be at in the adv field!




It would also be interesting if we played more rounds at courses like brown deer. I think that a couple rounds at the dretska courses and a couple courses like brown deer would be a good worlds. Even though dretska is a birdie or die too its a more interesting course than dienne. I don't see why at worlds ur having to birdie every hole that you play or you will lose worlds. I know I'm a horrible putter but I think it would be more interesting if there was a variety

Round 5 leaders scorecard:
http://www.discgolftv.com/dgtv/blog_story/35

These guys are good.
Stay tuned as DGTV was there shot for shot.
Ace runs, big putts, spit outs and more.

While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.


Someone said they were Hmong? Makes sense to me, I thought, perhaps, Cambodian or Laotian.

It wasn't that easy, Jeff. There is the language issue, for example. My group started on the next hole on Wednesday and I went over and spoke with these folks before we did, even though I have no official role with the tournament.

They are here a lot, this is a regular event for them, and they do understand disc golf and were watching for errant drives. (To wit, their "play" with my drive at the end of the day.)

If I were officially with the tournament, and if I knew of this, I might have asked to talk with the leaders of the group about moving a hundred feet further way.

However, just the language issue alone would have posed a big challenge to even discovering who the "leaders" of this as-large-as-100+ players event were.

Given that when I was 21, we were killing tens of thousands of these folks for no good reason, I can give them some leeway. Can anyone say "Iraq?"

You Texans, don't get too comfortable with Rob in the lead. After a whole day of missing putts (including a 4-footer!), I did make my last one, a 30-footer :D

At least I can sympathize, Terry. During Pro Worlds 2005 in Allentown we had a hole that crossed the Little Lehigh river. One morning a woman decided she was going to fish exactly in the path of where competitors were throwing across the water. Spotters explained the concept of disc golf and the tournament and asked her politely to move. The course tournament director was called in who brought a program (which were being sold for $5) and minis to give to her for free in exchange for moving but she refused. I think they eventually had PDGA officials on the scene to plead with her to simply move 50 feet down the river but she wouldn't. Finally the police were called and she must've have a criminal record or something because when she saw the cop car arrive she made a bee line straight out of there.

Again, I don't know if these people in Milwaukee were approached or not about moving and I run into this problem all the time in casual rounds but it just saddens me that a disc would get interfered with even in a major event.

Are the field events results*disctance, putting, mini golf, edge) posted anywhere online? I can not seem to find them.
I think Don is going to win the masters. He is playing strong!!! Way to represent Madison. Pat B is also playing really well, keep it up.
SO far a fun time with fun courses and great people.

Link for Field Events (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=718014&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post7 18014)

While we disc golfers are used to sharing the land with other park users, I'm aghast that at a world championship event a group of people doing a distracting activity and interfering with sanctioned play were not very politely asked to move to a less conspicuous area of the park.


Someone said they were Hmong? Makes sense to me, I thought, perhaps, Cambodian or Laotian.

It wasn't that easy, Jeff. There is the language issue, for example. My group started on the next hole on Wednesday and I went over and spoke with these folks before we did, even though I have no official role with the tournament.

They are here a lot, this is a regular event for them, and they do understand disc golf and were watching for errant drives. (To wit, their "play" with my drive at the end of the day.)

If I were officially with the tournament, and if I knew of this, I might have asked to talk with the leaders of the group about moving a hundred feet further way.

However, just the language issue alone would have posed a big challenge to even discovering who the "leaders" of this as-large-as-100+ players event were.

Given that when I was 21, we were killing tens of thousands of these folks for no good reason, I can give them some leeway. Can anyone say "Iraq?"



I'm pretty sure they are Hmong. Wisconsin has been the new home for thousands of Hmong immigrants in recent years. A brief history lesson, the Hmong sided with us in the Vietnam war in Laos, including being involved in a CIA attempt to overthrow the government and interrupting supply lines, suffering heavy casualties as they saved the lives of countless US soldiers. Unfortunately, when we pulled out, they were sitting ducks and went through periods of persecution and for the choice they made. You would be hard pressed to find a people more deserving of being granted access to this country.

More info at The Secret War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people#The_Secret_War) .

I'll see what I can do with this, but it is a touchy situation given the nature of a multi-use park. I believe the asphalt tee we use for hole #13 used to be where they played before the disc golf course came along last fall.

dAMAn . . . .ATX . . .WHAT WHAT !!!

dAMAn . . . .ATX . . .WHAT WHAT !!!



Interesting reading, all gamers still need to keep focused. AM worlds is not over. 1-2 more rounds, the game is NOT over.

dAMAn . . . .ATX . . .WHAT WHAT !!!



I hear the Motor Running! Here comes 4th and then 5th GEAR!!

Next Stop for the AM WORLD TITLE: ATX ! :cool:

hes already had his bad round,I'm sure he will catch back up tomorrow.He has the game to definitely be in the top 3, thats for sure.

Schweb, yep, Jacob sure did ! Had his first round with the young Wiggins!

He had a great time......but his score didn't reflect it.

This experience for Jacob will certainly advance his confidence, as
he can now relate that good player's are human just like him ! Ha.

This great opportunity at his age will last a lifetime, and I can see the renewed enthusiasm in his eye's! No matter where he finishes now, the needed lesson and this great experience has energized his game. The other Jr's are really good as well, and all around they have great attitudes, and wonderful Father's and mother's. I enjoyed sharing a few good laughs with them all !

I will soon be looking over my shoulder, and see Jacob beating the ole man soon!!!

Time for me to start pulling out the ole Pro-Master mind games !!!

Maybe one day, the Loper's can meet up with ya for a solid round of Disc one day soon !

Don

Nice work Thrillbert Bam-a-lam. Two more solid rounds. Do it again tomorrow.

Rosenbalm getting hot!!! Keep it up bro.
I am staying at your house Saturday night before Indiana States. Bring the title back to the Hoosier state.

Ziggy isn't from Indiana, but he is smooth.

Taylor, if you shoot the hot round tomorrow you can have my CAR!!!!!!! Do it!!

Photos from day 3 at Dretzka.

Photos (http://shawnsinclair.com)

lets go Rob lee, anthony Daman and Greg brooks!!!!!!

TEXAS

How many in Adv move on to the semi's?

Has the location for the players party been announced? The schedule on the web site still says "Friday 7pm - location to be announced"

Thanks!

Whats the projected cut for the Adv field?

72 i reckon

Whats the projected cut for the Adv field?



Cuts and Saturday schedule info here:

Am Worlds Final Schedule (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2007/07AmWorldsScheduleFinal.pdf)

Players party is at Uihlein Soccer Park (where the distance and putting contest were held).

We'll just have to see how the rounds go today, I guess. As of right now there are ties from 67th to 94th.

WOW this is the worlds for AMNESTY players. :confused: 2 of the top 4 in adv masters have accepted cash wow we should change the name from PDGAssociation to PDGAmensty :confused:

We'll just have to see how the rounds go today, I guess. As of right now there are ties from 67th to 94th.



There is only 5 strokes from 1st to 10th total.

Anyone's Game.

WOW this is the worlds for AMNESTY players. :confused: 2 of the top 4 in adv masters have accepted cash wow we should change the name from PDGAssociation to PDGAmensty :confused:



I wanna know where Brad Hammock's Scores are?! :D
Do they turn around after this week and just Play Again for the other World's Title?

Kinda cool, could we actually see someone win BOTH AM &amp; PRO TITLES in the SAME YEAR !?

8....Temporary courses are a part of the worlds, and they should not be, MI and the beloved Kalamazoo area is doing it, which in my mind makes them no better than Milwaukee. We will be forced possibly to do it KC for a few courses, but only the last resort, as we have mnore courses heading in (3 before year end) and 2 more on the books, and planned to use one temp for the Jr division on the 1st ball golf course in KC. I HATE FLY PADS, would rather use MUD (of course I slipped and fell today on the wet one....so I am biased)but will use them as well in 2009




I think temp courses are fine. It gives you the chance to add challenges that can't be found on the other courses. It also gives the opportunity to bring disc golf to a park or area that does not normally have it, thus bring it to more people.

"beloved Kalamazoo" I'm glad your so fond of us, and you will be happy to know that at a great meeting with the parks department they asked if we would like to put a permanent course in one of the nicest parks in the city. So I guess that will bring us to one temp course, which is perfect because it is in the same park as one of the permanent courses a little farther from town.

On a side note not all divisions will even play the temp courses.

WOW this is the worlds for AMNESTY players. :confused: 2 of the top 4 in adv masters have accepted cash wow we should change the name from PDGAssociation to PDGAmensty :confused:



I really didn't want to get involved in this discussion (because it doesn't effect me, and I don't really care), but I couldn't resist...

I kind of like "2007 AM(nesty) World Championships"

:D

Kalamazoo is beloved!

I don't feel very strongly about temp courses. My biggest complaint is that the shule is often THICK because it doesn't get trampled and cleared...just more incentive to stay in the fairway, I guess.

My bigger concern is the potential that AM's in kzoo '08 might not play the Oshtemo course, which is the first place I ever threw a disc, and half the reason I want to attend '08 Worlds.

Not all black rubber is a flypad.There are a few bad imitations.But when installed right the are hard to beat.The player in 2nd place Paul plays 95 % of all his rounds on flypads at HB CA.We do over 6,000 rounds a month ,year round on flypads.Golf does not stop building ,because they have 18 holes in the ground.Follow success and success will follow.I just played an a tier and never played from one tee pad all weekend .Its not the arrow it is the indian.Good luck to all the players. ;)

http://discgolftv.com/dgtv/main/270

"Ahhhh...It fell ouuut"

Can't remember if I already mentioned ALAN WAGNER.............

http://discgolftv.com/dgtv/main/270

"Ahhhh...It fell ouuut"



What a BAGGER!

Taylor, if you shoot the hot round tomorrow you can have my CAR!!!!!!! Do it!!



you are one lucky man Koontz, Taylor verbally confirmed a score of 45 today which is -9. Hot round was -11.

Taylor, if you shoot the hot round tomorrow you can have my CAR!!!!!!! Do it!!



you are one lucky man Koontz, Taylor verbally confirmed a score of 45 today which is -9. Hot round was -11.



Niiiicccccee!!!!. I would have missed that old machine.
Do it again tomorrow big guy. (no deal on the car though)

Anthony Damon - Close it out baby bring it home to Texas.

Keep it going Henry. Nice round.



Good shootin today as well Henry, Keep it up!!! Bring it home.

The race in Advanced Women is still interesting for 2nd place. I think based on the courses left to play, Katie Stauss has 1st wrapped up. But Kelsey and Marie Schwinn are tied for 2nd! They both play the IOS events together all the time so it's interesting to see them tied for second going into the last regular round.

-40 in &lt;16 and under division. :confused:

Schweb, yep, Jacob sure did ! Had his first round with the young Wiggins!

He had a great time......but his score didn't reflect it.

This experience for Jacob will certainly advance his confidence, as
he can now relate that good player's are human just like him ! Ha.

This great opportunity at his age will last a lifetime, and I can see the renewed enthusiasm in his eye's! No matter where he finishes now, the needed lesson and this great experience has energized his game. The other Jr's are really good as well, and all around they have great attitudes, and wonderful Father's and mother's. I enjoyed sharing a few good laughs with them all !

I will soon be looking over my shoulder, and see Jacob beating the ole man soon!!!

Time for me to start pulling out the ole Pro-Master mind games !!!

Maybe one day, the Loper's can meet up with ya for a solid round of Disc one day soon !

Don

Next time we are in the same are Definitely, Look forward to it.

-40 in &lt;16 and under division. :confused:



Ziggy's got game for being 15, just won a supertour the weekend before.

http://discgolftv.com/dgtv/main/270

"Ahhhh...It fell ouuut"

I keep tellin' the boy to play some Ultimate and get in shape. Maybe he'll listen to me now :D

http://discgolftv.com/dgtv/main/270

"Ahhhh...It fell ouuut"

I keep tellin' the boy to play some Ultimate and get in shape. Maybe he'll listen to me now :D

that is a classic. I love that he talked with his card than took off. :D

ATX . . ATX . . . he Is gOIng TO pUll A pAUl . . . . I'M cAllIng IT ! ! :) :) :)

We have had some media coverage this week and we are working on even more as the event wraps up in the next 24 hours.

On Wednesday I headed out to Brown Deer to meet with a reporter, Marti, who wanted to do a piece for Milwaukee Public Radio. Radio doesn't seem to do our exciting sport justice but the more good publicity we get the better.

WUWM Radio Cast (http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wuwm/news.newsmain?action=article&amp;ARTICLE_ID=1120976)

Come on Anthony, bring it home to cen-tex.... then move up!! :D

I need a score fix! Anyone have some scores I can score off them? :D

Geez are you kidding? Am Masters are playing Dineen for a THIRD time in the Semis?

Why not one of the courses we've only played once? :( :(

-40 in &lt;16 and under division. :confused:



crazy!!

i'd just like to congatulate the staff of the 2007 Am Worlds for a job well done. i appreciate the timely posting of scores to the website!

how can i tell from here that the staff is doing a GREAT job? the most controversy all week seems to be funny-money payout of the ace pot! sheesh, if that's it, the staff is doing splendid! (yeah, the courses are probably too easy, but I understand the reasoning behind it with having to get 3 rounds in a day at the courses)

COME ON HOT TUB, BEAT THE WORST SANDBAGGER THE PDGA HAS EVER KNOWN!!!

Looking forward to seeing NO TEAM's Steve Timm in the Grandmasterbagger Finals!!!

I thought Coda was Disc Golf's most epic bagger.

John Anderson of Rapid City is trying to make it two Am World championships for South Dakota in the last three years.

Don Altmeyer (Advanced Grandmasters 2005)

Bring that Advanced Title Home John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 out of 4 of the 2nd Friday round is updated... Some slow groups pushed back some start times... Will get them up as soon as I get them.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5831

I cannot help it....

did anyone else see Rocky Pebbles playing in advanced?

3 out of 4 of the 2nd Friday round is updated... Some slow groups pushed back some start times... Will get them up as soon as I get them.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5831



I wasn't complaining...I just needs my fix man!! :D

I cannot help it....

did anyone else see Rocky Pebbles playing in advanced?



One of the many IOS/Discontinuum players there. What did he do?

-40 in &lt;16 and under division. :confused:



whats even more crazy is that they are playing the same tees as advanced. :D

I know you were not complaining. :) Just letting you know why I was 15 minutes later than I have been for the rest of the week.

The Jr Divisions played the same tees as ADV, but played different courses. Check out the schedule to see the course schedules.

Tight divisions! Great competition.

Anthony Daman NOW WE HIT OVERDRIVE !!!


NEXT STOP FOR THE WORLD CHAMP -- AUSTIN, TEJAS !

I heard the piece Terry - it was pretty cool. Nice work.

did the photographers go on strike, lets see more pics

did the photographers go on strike, lets see more pics



Might be my fault -- I asked a guy with a camera who was parked 35 feet behind the basket directly in line with my 25 foot putt to not sit there. He moved out of the way, didn't take my picture, and I missed the putt.

i'd just like to congatulate the staff of the 2007 Am Worlds for a job well done. i appreciate the timely posting of scores to the website!

how can i tell from here that the staff is doing a GREAT job? the most controversy all week seems to be funny-money payout of the ace pot! sheesh, if that's it, the staff is doing splendid! (yeah, the courses are probably too easy, but I understand the reasoning behind it with having to get 3 rounds in a day at the courses)

COME ON HOT TUB, BEAT THE WORST SANDBAGGER THE PDGA HAS EVER KNOWN!!!

Looking forward to seeing NO TEAM's Steve Timm in the Grandmasterbagger Finals!!!



This (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=18133&amp;year=2005) is close too though (I do understand he was still a Junior, but..gheesh!)

:( i shot 600+ pics at 06 am worlds and only 1 person told me i was a distraction, i moved while he threw then went back to my spot. i try be respectful of peoples sightlines but to get good shots you have to put yourself out there otherwise all you wind up with is pics of the back of players heads :D

did the photographers go on strike, lets see more pics



I was there on Wednesday and I'm going back on Saturday. I'll be posting more pics on Saturday or Sunday.

i'd just like to congatulate the staff of the 2007 Am Worlds for a job well done. i appreciate the timely posting of scores to the website!

how can i tell from here that the staff is doing a GREAT job? the most controversy all week seems to be funny-money payout of the ace pot! sheesh, if that's it, the staff is doing splendid! (yeah, the courses are probably too easy, but I understand the reasoning behind it with having to get 3 rounds in a day at the courses)

COME ON HOT TUB, BEAT THE WORST SANDBAGGER THE PDGA HAS EVER KNOWN!!!

Looking forward to seeing NO TEAM's Steve Timm in the Grandmasterbagger Finals!!!



This (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=18133&amp;year=2005) is close too though (I do understand he was still a Junior, but..gheesh!)


At the time of that Am Worlds he was 973 and he did play in the ADV division. There are six players with higher ratings, and two more within a point or two of him. And a 977 in U16 Jrs this year. You really can't call Hall a bagger after looking at this year's field. :p

:cool:thanks jon

By chance have they came up with the payout for the field yet?

By chance have they came up with the payout for the field yet?



Yes, It was posted at Dretzka approx 5:00pm before the last round was completed.

Here is day 4 at Dretzka. Lots of women photos.

Photos (http://shawnsinclair.com)

Hey IF anyone has seen the payout could you post on here how many adv men will get prizes. Thanks

Advanced gets paid out to 114th place. This does not figure in for ties...

B = Basket
T = Trophy.

MA1 - Advanced
253 Players,

1 $160 B T 31 $60 61 $30 91 $15
2 $300 T 32 $60 62 $30 92 $15
3 $260 T 33 $60 63 $30 93 $15
4 $230 T 34 $60 64 $30 94 $15
5 $200 T 35 $60 65 $30 95 $15
6 $170 T 36 $55 66 $30 96 $15
7 $150 T 37 $55 67 $30 97 $15
8 $140 T 38 $55 68 $30 98 $15
9 $130 T 39 $55 69 $30 99 $15
10 $120 T 40 $55 70 $30 100 $15
11 $110 41 $50 71 $25 101 $10
12 $110 42 $50 72 $25 102 $10
13 $110 43 $50 73 $25 103 $10
14 $100 44 $50 74 $25 104 $10
15 $100 45 $50 75 $25 105 $10
16 $100 46 $45 76 $25 106 $10
17 $90 47 $45 77 $25 107 $10
18 $90 48 $45 78 $25 108 $10
19 $90 49 $45 79 $25 109 $10
20 $80 50 $45 80 $25 110 $10
21 $80 51 $40 81 $20 111 $10
22 $80 52 $40 82 $20 112 $10
23 $70 53 $40 83 $20 113 $10
24 $70 54 $40 84 $20 114 $10
25 $70 55 $40 85 $20
26 $65 56 $35 86 $20
27 $65 57 $35 87 $20
28 $65 58 $35 88 $20
29 $65 59 $35 89 $20
30 $65 60 $35 90 $20

Cool! How about MM1? Any idea how deep the trophies go?

MM1... Again, remember that your exact amount may be off based on Ties...

1 $35 B T 32 $25
2 $150 T 33 $25
3 $130 T 34 $25
4 $120 T 35 $25
5 $110 T 36 $20
6 $100 37 $20
7 $90 38 $20
8 $85 39 $20
9 $80 40 $20
10 $75
11 $70
12 $65
13 $60
14 $55
15 $55
16 $55
17 $50
18 $50
19 $50
20 $45
21 $45
22 $45
23 $35
24 $35
25 $35
26 $30
27 $30
28 $30
29 $30
30 $30
31 $25

This will probably be my last post before uploading the results... (in about 15 minutes) and then going to Dretzka for the finals.

Thanks Jonathan,
I know I speak for everyone online when I saw thank you very much for updating all the scores so punctually. Was definitely one of best things about worlds was up to date scores!

Matt

You are welcome. I will never again take for granted the scorekeeper position at a major tournament.

The scores have been updated through the Semi Final Round...

There were 2 ties for the finals... here are the results.

MA1 1 Greg Schwartz 28464
MA1 1 Alan Wagner 28550
MA1 3 John Anderson 19996
MA1 4 Paul McBeth 27523

MJ2 1 Ziggy Bierekoven 29879
MJ2 2 Braeden Simmonds 29604
MJ2 3 Joey Kozlowski 26095
MJ2 4 Keith Gallusser 25831

OFF TO DRETZKA!!!

My bad on the fly pads, I should have stated, fly pads not properly installed......But I am guilty of it in 2003 when we did not properly anchor them for proper drainage, we were lucky and had no rain to contend with.....Did not mean to offend as I am sure that we will be using them on some of the courses in 2009. Especially Down Under, as I think the plan is to make that all Fly Pads over the upcoming year, and replacing all the baskets.

Had a blast at the Worlds, looking forward to Kalamazoo next year, and thanks again to all the staff, spotters, and helpers that get no credit your time to help this event is truly appreciated!!

Off to watch the awards

Thanks,

Jack

Greg Schwartz with the W in the playoff with McBeth, keepin the title in milwaukee, congrats

West Texas shows well with three entered: Big Spring's Chris Brooks fifth in &lt;19, his dad, Greg Brooks takes fourth in Grandmaster, and Lubbock's Rob Lee was quiet, calm, and collective, took the much anticipated win over some fine competion in the Senior Grandmasters division! Party on!

Childres (Henry) with a strong last round to move into the top 10! 1 stroke out of playoffs!!! Awesome way to close the tournament!