"The simple fact is that none of the top women should be satisfied with playing lesser teepads."

Then dont play! Its not like all those women were not aware of where and what course and tee pads they were going to be playing. Referencing the PDF file created by Chuck, Version 3 released on 07-26-07; here was their heads up. If you dont like it, then dont play! If your a true Pro (IMHO) none of this should even be being discussed. If you can throw 400' then certainly you should be able to throw 250-300' with little to no problem.

Just because you throw past the basket and leave yourself no path to the basket for your duece is no reason to blame the course designer or the person who decided to, for lack of a better term, FORCE the women to play from the whites.
Like I wrote earlier, its not like Des didnt have the chance to see the course and the tee pads prior to the beginning of the competition. Suck it up and move on like a true champion!

There were a few 48's on Wednesday too

"The simple fact is that none of the top women should be satisfied with playing lesser teepads."

Then dont play! Its not like all those women were not aware of where and what course and tee pads they were going to be playing. Referencing the PDF file created by Chuck, Version 3 released on 07-26-07; here was their heads up. If you dont like it, then dont play! If your a true Pro (IMHO) none of this should even be being discussed. If you can throw 400' then certainly you should be able to throw 250-300' with little to no problem.

Just because you throw past the basket and leave yourself no path to the basket for your duece is no reason to blame the course designer or the person who decided to, for lack of a better term, FORCE the women to play from the whites.
Like I wrote earlier, its not like Des didnt have the chance to see the course and the tee pads prior to the beginning of the competition. Suck it up and move on like a true champion!




Even though it was stated before the competition started that these tee pads were going to be used doesn't mean that the Women have to like it. And to participate in the World's we are somewhat 'forced' (as you put it) to play whatever teepads are chosen for us. We are allowed to state out opinions! I am not even playing in the Championships this year because I'm currently 'cookin' the future disc golf world champion in my belly. I do know that the majority of women that play pro would like to play the pro tee pads. If we do not let our opinions be heard we will never be satisfied with the way the women's division is handled. I get from your post that you think someone should not participate because they are not 100% happy with the way things are handled. This is ridiculous! We still love our sport, love playing, love the competition, love the comrades, but when we as women speak up we are criticized by men like you.

So Ward, would you rather I just shut my mouth and have no opinion like a nice little June Cleaver?

WOw...Doss just crushed the lead card with 49...second best is 54

but from what i understand is not every woman at worlds is complaining and it is not luck to shoot a good round you need to have the complete game!!!

WOw...Doss just crushed the lead card with 49...second best is 54




Go Bobby Hill!!
:D

who cares...she was [censored] that she had a bad round and reacted. No big deal

but from what i understand is not every woman at worlds is complaining and it is not luck to shoot a good round you need to have the complete game!!!



Yes sir! you are absolutely right. You do need the complete game. I am not trying to take anything away from my girls that are shooting awesome. All things even out in the end usually, but I don't believe that was the reason given for choosing these teepads. It was to even out the field. I am not trying to step on toes here either. I just know that shorter teepads for the pro women happens a lot out there. We don't like it! We just want to shoot from the same teepads as the Men. That is the point!

well then we need a pro worlds here in tulsa so we can show them how to do it right I did not even know they gave a reason for the women playing from the other pads!

Markus K�llstr�m just deuced hole#13 at Blueberry Hill which plays 385 ft. uphill over 3 ponds.


The birdie on 4 you posted wasn't hugely impressive, nice long turnover with some fade.

But the ones he hit on 10 and 13?! Thats just... amazing. That is OMGWTFMATE sweet.

I wonder how many sick birds were on the Big-Arm-Card? Looks like all 3 of them shot 50s! Bratten-Jenkins-Sandstrom Part Deux in the afternoon round?

No disrespect mamm.

There is a time and a place for everything. This was not the time, nor the place.

If there is an issue out there on the course, then the TD should have been taken to the side, out of ear shot and out of camera focus and the issue discussed, hopefully to a mutually beneficial ending.

What Des did was, IMO, disrespect her fellow players and friends, as you are one of them. She disrespected the TD and the course designers, and all the volunteers that helped put this show on, all because she had a bad round.

If ALL the female players were of the same opinion about the issues Des eluded to, then sure, there is a real issue here, but they are not ALL of the same opinion.

On a side note; Congrats to you and yours with your,soon to be, new addition to the disc golf world! And again, no disrespect intended.

Signed,

Ward Cleaver

:p

Jeff - Props to you for taking the extra time to clue us in on the happenings there. Your updates and the live scoring keep me and probably hundreds if not thousands of others informed! Thanks to the whole crew running this years Worlds. It's no small endevor and we all appreciate your mass effort (even those of us who couldn't make it). Good luck to ALL the players, and oh yeah, GO NORCAL!!!

Jeff the scoring director that is.

KEITH IS THE BEST LEFTY IN THE WORLD!


wrong, Scott Martin



Scott is retired...but i would have to give it to Mela until Keith does it more consistanly...but Keith is VERY good in Wisconsin

2nd

Hi Courtney,

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing here. Highbridge Gold from the whites is 7945 feet, which is 441 feet average per hole. Is it a 27 holer or something?

Help me understand. I think it sounds like a good long course, not an abomination where a decent course was turned into a bunch of dumb 200 footers.

but from what i understand is not every woman at worlds is complaining and it is not luck to shoot a good round you need to have the complete game!!!



Yes sir! you are absolutely right. You do need the complete game. I am not trying to take anything away from my girls that are shooting awesome. All things even out in the end usually, but I don't believe that was the reason given for choosing these teepads. It was to even out the field. I am not trying to step on toes here either. I just know that shorter teepads for the pro women happens a lot out there. We don't like it! We just want to shoot from the same teepads as the Men. That is the point!


My only complaint about your whole argument is that earlier you stated that shorter teepads = luck. The only course where the women play shorter teepads is Highbridge Gold (Whites). Those teepads are still long. You need a strong arm to play them, and it definitely rewards the players with longer arms. Des should have torn the field a new [censored] on that field.

Instead she carded a 68.

In two rounds at US Mid Nationals last year, on the same layouts, in a lot of wind, the White division (all sub 925 players) saw 8/11 and 7/11 players card better scores. The fact is that she played badly and now she's complaining.

My question is this: Had Des rocked the field, using her strong arm to (pardon the pun) strong-arm the field, would she still be rocking the boat? Would this issue had ever come to light? I HIGHLY doubt it. I've noticed that all Pro players tend to only bring issues like this to the forefront when they're losing. When they're winning, men and women both, all just shut their traps and let things like this slide.

So do I agree with your argument that the women should be playing the Gold Tees? Yes, I do. I agree. The women are the best in the world and should be playing the best tees in the world.

What we're ignoring here is the fact that issues like this only come to light when someone plays badly and gets sour grapes.

Hi Courtney,

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing here. Highbridge Gold from the whites is 7945 feet, which is 441 feet average per hole. Is it a 27 holer or something?

Help me understand. I think it sounds like a good long course, not an abomination where a decent course was turned into a bunch of dumb 200 footers.



I think they played woodlands bear.

Hi Courtney,

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing here. Highbridge Gold from the whites is 7945 feet, which is 441 feet average per hole. Is it a 27 holer or something?

Help me understand. I think it sounds like a good long course, not an abomination where a decent course was turned into a bunch of dumb 200 footers.


18 holes. You're right about this. She's right when she says the women should be playing the same tees as men, wrong when she says shorter tees = more luck factor. At least in the case of THIS course.

Hi Courtney,

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing here. Highbridge Gold from the whites is 7945 feet, which is 441 feet average per hole. Is it a 27 holer or something?

Help me understand. I think it sounds like a good long course, not an abomination where a decent course was turned into a bunch of dumb 200 footers.



I think they played woodlands bear.


Woodland Bear they played longer tees. It is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT course from the men, I believe the women don't play Granite Ridge in favor of the Bear... both courses are unique challenges, no necessarily shorter versus longer. It likely had to do more with scheduling issues with putting them all on identical courses than anything there.

"So Ward, would you rather I just shut my mouth and have no opinion like a nice little June Cleaver?"

that is some funny [censored] shizzy, geTTem BuTTerfly Lady.

Dont forget to Breathe

The Men's Master's division just played the Woodland Bear as well. Same tees as the women.

des said the holes had trees in the fairway that made the lucky part of it. holes where there isnt a clear gap and trees are all over the fairway is lucky. but she still played badly. i think she had the right to voice her opinion, and women should be playing blue tees or gold with the men.

quote"Mother of all thread hijacks! " I hope you just don't know all the information. I think the post about the Jennifer Beasley bennifet was in the right place since her and Neal would be at Worlds if this awful thing did not happen. Neal and Jen, if you read this I am very sorry about your loss, hope to see you soon.

des said the holes had trees in the fairway that made the lucky part of it. holes where there isnt a clear gap and trees are all over the fairway is lucky. but she still played badly. i think she had the right to voice her opinion, and women should be playing blue tees or gold with the men.


I don't know about the Bear aspect of the course, as it is a recent addition to the complex. But the Woodland aspect of the course (normally Woodland Greens is one course, and Bear is another, since Bear is not complete they combined bits of the two to make a course more challenging than Woodland Greens) is definitely not like this. The paths are narrow, but well defined. Is there an occasional tree splitting the fairway? Yes. But nothing unfair. They are definite fairways. She had a day where she was inaccurate, and so she's complaining about the courses. You know what? I had two rounds on that course at last year's MidNats that cost me a win, I played well enough to win on the other courses, easy.

Was it the course's fault? No. I was inaccurate and lost my cool.

Sounds like the same thing Des is dealing with right now. Woodland is a TOTAL change of pace from the rest of the complex, and it affects the way you play sometimes.

Scores?

49 is sick!!

It's like 3 off of perfect....

"So Ward, would you rather I just shut my mouth and have no opinion like a nice little June Cleaver?"

that is some funny [censored] shizzy, geTTem BuTTerfly Lady.

Dont forget to Breathe



Having witnessed it first hand twice in the last 3.25 years....breathing is the first thing dat goes out da door! :D

Can't wait to meet the lil guy, and can't wait to see the upcoming junior division! ;)

49 is sick!!

It's like 3 off of perfect....



-11. Super sick!

Sick doesn't begin to describe it. OUTRIGHT DISGUSTING is more like it!

Today's afternoon scores are being uploaded. Joe Mela set a course record with a 46 on the Woodland Bear! There were also more aces.

We'll have live scoring tomorrow morning for the Women's lead card on the Woodland Bear course, and one other group TBA. In the afternoon, we'll be doing the Open Men on the Highbridge Gold course.

My question is this: Had Des rocked the field, using her strong arm to (pardon the pun) strong-arm the field, would she still be rocking the boat? Would this issue had ever come to light? I HIGHLY doubt it. I've noticed that all Pro players tend to only bring issues like this to the forefront when they're losing. When they're winning, men and women both, all just shut their traps and let things like this slide.



I have to agree with you. I'm sure if she was leading, there would be no problems at all! She also played Flagstaff which had more trees on every single course that I've ever seen. She played well there and hm, no complaints about trees in fairways back in 2003..... So I think you're right.

As far as short tees go, play them like an upshot instead of a drive! Duh!!

Holy cow, Disc-Diva just smoked the field and went from 1 back to a 9 stroke lead in FPG with a 1013 rated 59!

<u>Aces thus far at the PDGA Professional World Championships in Highbridge, WI</u>



<table border="2"><tr><th colspan=1> Division </th><th> PDGANum </th><th> First Name </th><th> Last Name </th><th> State </th><th> Country </th><th> Hole </th><th> Dist (feet) </th></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 24630 </th><th> Jeff </th><th> Rzepka </th><th> OH </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #10 </th><th> 155 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 3351 </th><th> Jim </th><th> Oates </th><th> CA </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #12 </th><th> 230 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </th><th> 30896 </th><th> Taylor </th><th> Sears </th><th> OK </th><th> USA </th><th> Granite Ridge#15 </th><th> 310 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPS </th><th> 23 </th><th> Jim </th><th> Palmeri </th><th> NY </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #8 </th><th> 240 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </th><th> 16000 </th><th> Ben </th><th> Calhoun </th><th> MI </th><th> USA </th><th> Highbridge Gold#16 </th><th> 270 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </th><th> 14763 </th><th> Evan </th><th> Brummet </th><th> CO </th><th> USA </th><th> Highbridge Gold#7 </th><th> 310 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 7287 </th><th> Michael </th><th> Misakian </th><th> MN </th><th> USA </th><th> Highbridge Gold#9 </th><th> 355 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </th><th> 19325 </th><th> Brett </th><th> Comincioli </th><th> IL </th><th> USA </th><th> Blueberry Hill #3 </th><th> 330 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 13117 </th><th> Brian </th><th> Kilgore </th><th> FL </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #10 </th><th> 155 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 21227 </th><th> Zach </th><th> Walker </th><th> AZ </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #11 </th><th> 195 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 7518 </th><th> Linc </th><th> Morgan </th><th> PA </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #8 </th><th> 240 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPM </th><th> 10637 </th><th> Mark </th><th> Moore </th><th> IN </th><th> USA </th><th> Woodland Bear #16 </th><th> 165 </td></tr>
</table>

Hey! Who are you calling a "geek" My Hero????


They've done it in the past. Not sure why it's not being done now. Seems like Highbridge is giving the technogeeks a little bit of a challenge.

Oops. Even though Disc-Diva kicked some serious boo-tay, I don't think it was 1000+ rated golf. It looks to me like the FPGs are listed in the on-line scoring program as playing HG instead of HGW. Both rounds played there look suspicious for the whole division.

But still awesome shooting, Kathy! :)

WOW, Doss is on fire!, he id setting the pace. Is he out of reach already, we will soon see. With Cal's cannon, opportunity is there. Nice shootin

Mini Thumber

Round ratings are definitely going to be suspect for the FPG, FPS, MPL folks. I don't have time to explain, but they had to get logged under the Highbridge Gold-White tees setup which is why I think that they might be messed up.

I will try to get in here early tomorrow morning and see if I can figure out a way to get it right.

No disrespect mamm.

There is a time and a place for everything. This was not the time, nor the place.

If there is an issue out there on the course, then the TD should have been taken to the side, out of ear shot and out of camera focus and the issue discussed, hopefully to a mutually beneficial ending.

What Des did was, IMO, disrespect her fellow players and friends, as you are one of them. She disrespected the TD and the course designers, and all the volunteers that helped put this show on, all because she had a bad round.

If ALL the female players were of the same opinion about the issues Des eluded to, then sure, there is a real issue here, but they are not ALL of the same opinion.

On a side note; Congrats to you and yours with your,soon to be, new addition to the disc golf world! And again, no disrespect intended.

Signed,

Ward Cleaver

:p



Ewe Guys are missing the real point....The Girls just don't want to be treated diferent. Playing the short tees is just about the same as saying "your not good enough to play the long tees" that's all they want, some equality.

I love what DES said, it was real, not just some silly cliche ridden, "gonna take it one hole at a time" bs.....You gotta love the passion. :D

No disrespect mamm.

There is a time and a place for everything. This was not the time, nor the place.

If there is an issue out there on the course, then the TD should have been taken to the side, out of ear shot and out of camera focus and the issue discussed, hopefully to a mutually beneficial ending.

What Des did was, IMO, disrespect her fellow players and friends, as you are one of them. She disrespected the TD and the course designers, and all the volunteers that helped put this show on, all because she had a bad round.

If ALL the female players were of the same opinion about the issues Des eluded to, then sure, there is a real issue here, but they are not ALL of the same opinion.

On a side note; Congrats to you and yours with your,soon to be, new addition to the disc golf world! And again, no disrespect intended.

Signed,

Ward Cleaver

:p



Ewe Guys are missing the real point....The Girls just don't want to be treated diferent. Playing the short tees is just about the same as saying "your not good enough to play the long tees" that's all they want, some equality.

I love what DES said, it was real, not just some silly cliche ridden, "gonna take it one hole at a time" bs.....You gotta love the passion. :D

ooooops this is K-Mack...didn't realize CP was still logged in ;)

ooooops this is K-Mack...didn't realize CP was still logged in ;)


Whooooo-TCHHHHhhhh!!!

Get yer woman some pickles and ice cream, and quit thinkin' 'bout golf!

Whooooo-TCHHHHhhhh!!!

:cool::D:cool:

These guys are shooting some SICK golf. Look at Jernigan who has shot 5 1000+ rated soild rounds and is sitting just inside the top 30.

These guys are shooting some SICK golf. Look at Jernigan who has shot 5 1000+ rated soild rounds and is sitting just inside the top 30.



My point is most A-tiers that is solidly in the top 5-10. A very good pro field here evidently.

COME ON CALE EAST SIDERS REPRESENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

Go Bobby Hill!!!
:D

Hank isnt doing so bad in Masters either ;)

No disrespect mamm.

There is a time and a place for everything. This was not the time, nor the place.

If there is an issue out there on the course, then the TD should have been taken to the side, out of ear shot and out of camera focus and the issue discussed, hopefully to a mutually beneficial ending.

What Des did was, IMO, disrespect her fellow players and friends, as you are one of them. She disrespected the TD and the course designers, and all the volunteers that helped put this show on, all because she had a bad round.

If ALL the female players were of the same opinion about the issues Des eluded to, then sure, there is a real issue here, but they are not ALL of the same opinion.

On a side note; Congrats to you and yours with your,soon to be, new addition to the disc golf world! And again, no disrespect intended.

Signed,

Ward Cleaver

:p



Ewe Guys are missing the real point....The Girls just don't want to be treated diferent. Playing the short tees is just about the same as saying "your not good enough to play the long tees" that's all they want, some equality.

I love what DES said, it was real, not just some silly cliche ridden, "gonna take it one hole at a time" bs.....You gotta love the passion. :D

ooooops this is K-Mack...didn't realize CP was still logged in ;)


Who're you callin' a SHEEP?! :D

I agree fully, I was just saying that its a **** shame it only comes up when someone is feeling salty from a bad round. Had Des been winning I highly doubt she'd be putting forth these statements. This isn't an issue unless someone brings it up, and nobody brings it up unless he/she is playing badly. Its the way it is in both mens and womens. Nothing comes to the surface unless you're doing badly.

Wow. First of all I am sooooo glad that Des spoke her mind. What she said in her interview included words she said before the tournament started, words echoed by more than one FPO player and have continued to be said throughout the rounds.
Woodland Bear includes short tight holes with MANY trees in the fairways. There is always an element of "luck" in our sport (as other sports)...we have all benefited from a "good kick" and suffered through "bad kicks". I defy anyone to say they have not uttered these words during a round. The basket in the tree on hole 17 is tilted and is just plain silly.
Highbridge White. Where do I begin? Let's just say that I have not heard nor can I think of any good reason for the Women to play from the short tees. Let us go out there and take that challange. I understand that there was a tremendous effort form volunteers to get those shorter pads in and that is phenomenal. I don't think it is necessary for women to play from them in the Open Division.
I have never met a course that I "hate". I have fun out there first and foremost. I am sitting at the bottom level of the competition and see Des' views. Des was venting after a tough round that is true but she was also speaking out for what she belives in and what other Women have said has been similar. Maybe another player would have said it differently but the sentiment has been the same for many Women.
Liking the courses and the courses being of World Championship Quality does not have to be same thing. I have read every single response on this board. Everyone has valid points. Those who shot well wether due to luck or skill and/or both that is awesome...I would never want to take those great acehivements away from them. Understand that nothing is perfect and everyone is entitled to thier opinion.
That being said, I am having a great time on and off the course despite having some dissapointing rounds. A great part about our sport is the culture that has formed and the friendships renewed, strengthened and begun. Sorry to get a little sappy but that's just me expressing my opinion.

The pro women's Worlds field has lower ratings and a lower skill set than the advanced men's Worlds field. The advanced men just played a short tee Worlds. To quote Terry Miller, if she wants long tees, she can move up.

I think it is about as low as you can go in sportsmanship when you say you lost because the course sucked instead of saying you lost because your opponent played better than you did. Everyone is playing the same courses. It seems to me that Angela often does well on courses that demand accuracy more than distance. Elaine, too.

There are two courses I play a tournament or two on each year that have elevated baskets. I love it when my opponents keep trying to hit the long range putt and keep blowing past and through and right back at them. Discs do a lot of funny things hitting the chains from that angle. I always lay up, drop in, and save a throw or two on half the field. Doh.

ok ok ok....

it took a few nights, but my blog is now current as of today.

please read and leave comments here b/c I busted my butt getting it up to date!

Good shooting Bratten, keep it up bro.

The pro women's Worlds field has lower ratings and a lower skill set than the advanced men's Worlds field. The advanced men just played a short tee Worlds. To quote Terry Miller, if she wants long tees, she can move up.


Although I question the fact that she only brought it up when she was doing badly... Only raised a fuss when doing badly... I do agree with her over you here Bruce.

Like she said in her interview: she is not a white level player. She should not be playing the white tees. White level is 875-924. When you've got 10 of the 13 blue level women in the world playing in a tournament, they should be playing the toughest tees available.

ok ok ok....

it took a few nights, but my blog is now current as of today.

please read and leave comments here b/c I busted my butt getting it up to date!


Awesome read, MTL! I love how John fixed your tire, classic John. Good to hear you enjoyed the shotgun start, too... haha. I remember last year at MidNats he tried a pistol and it just wasn't loud enough, live and learn! Man I envy every one of you guys up there. My SUV dying on my way home from AmNats this year killed my chances of living this week up there with you guys. And I am hating every moment of sitting here reading about it! Haha

Keep it going Randy, we believe in you.
Come on Sandy do not give up, you can do it!

JohnE

Hey all,

We will have live scoring this morning for the lead Open Women card on the Woodland Bear course, and the lead Masters card on the Granite Ridge course!

Click Here for Live Scoring! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=6277)

Does anyone know if these folks ever arrived?



Does anyone in Highbridge, WI know Forrest Stille or has anyone seen him? I am here at IDGC and his relatives are looking for him. He and a group of friends were on their way to Pro Worlds as spectators, via the Minneapolis HWY 35 bridge that collapsed yesterday, and no one has been able to contact him! The family is unsure who he went. To my understanding the cell phone service there is not the strongest. Please pass on the word if you are reading this! If you have seen him, please have him call his family or if you have any information please contact me here at the IDGC.

IDGC
706-261-6342

Thank you in advance
Karolyn Garlock &amp; Dawn Howard



We have signs up at hilltop instructing Forrest Stille to contact event staff as soon as possible.

And we are off to another fine start this morning.

Des seems to be making up ground right from the starting hole this morning.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=722976&amp;Main=722809#Post7 22976

Glad they made it. Thanks for the link

With a score of bogey 5 on the pro par four 2nd hole on the Woodland Bear course to the 3 taken by Des and Val, Angela's lead has now shrunk to just two strokes.

Des angry. DES SMASH PUNY CHICK FRY ON LUCKY COURSE!

Ooops! Des just handed it back.

Some of it technoboy. :DMuch love for ya'. Thanks for the hard work Larry.

Hrm... probably my fault. Long distance jinxing, my spirit is one with Highbridge to this day.

Are there any photos available of the Woodland Bear course anywhere? I can't seem to find that course on the playdg.com site.

nope. No photos for the "Wood-chuck" course! :D

Give me your eMail and I can send you some photos from my personal stash of the Woodland Greens portion of the course. I have them saved course tour style. Unfortunately Bear is new, so nothing there.

Flickr!

Good idea, I was busy being annoyed that John chose not to renew hosting for northwoodsdiscgolf.com where we had all full course tours up, better in some ways than PlayDG, less info but far more photos up and down fairways. I'll get on that now.

Jim Oates takes the only birdie 3 on the 615-ft. pro par 4 hole#7 on the Granite Ridge course and his lead has now grown to 6 strokes over Hammock.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=WI&amp;c=graniteridge&amp;h=7

Val Jenkins takes a 5 on the very short downhill par 3 sixth hole. It's a slow righty turnover or lefty hyzer. One could throw a putter off the tee here.

Jeff,

I have a question, and I can't find the answer, but it may have been posted earlier among the hundreds of posts. I'm wondering why the Male Open scores don't show round 4, and why the Open Women scores don't show rounds 1, 5, 6.

The big question is, especially for the Open Women, do the round numbers correspond to the course on their schedule? e.g.- is R2 for WB?

I'm trying to make sense of the scoring in relation to the courses that are played, so I'd appreciate your help.

Lowe

P.S.- You're doing an excellent job!!

Lowe,

Chuck wanted us to try a little different technique of scoring and presenting results.

Basically, when you look at Round 1 scores, anyone with a Round 1 score will reflect their Granite Ridge scores. Anyone with an entry for Round 2 will reflect their Blueberry Hill round, Round 3 reflects either a Highbridge Gold, Highbridge Gold - White tees, or Chestnut Gold scores.

Remember that each division will NOT play one of the 4 courses...so some columns will always remain empty for particular division.

Des is losing ground again...

(I think that this is her favorite course, right?) :D

Ouch! Brad is giving them up 2 stroke at a time now!!!

The following is a link to my course tour of Woodland Green, photos taken a year ago almost to the day...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aviarsforever/sets/72157601210769208/

Hopefully that link'll work. Holes 8-18 only, specifically the ones in play for Worlds!

The scores are in columns based on the course not on the round sequence so that ratings can be correct and over/under par values can give a better idea for A&amp;B pool ranks when they have played a different number of rounds at that point. The order is:
R1=GR
R2=BH
R3=HG
R4=WB
R5=GR
R6=BH
R7=HG
R8=WB

Open doesn't play Woodland Bear so no scores will show up for them in the R4 &amp; R8 columns for example.

Hole 10 is a long uphill hole. The right side of the fairway borders the paved road which is OB. There are a few trees in the middle of the fairway along the way, but this basket is on the very top of a mound with the basket being a little closer to the road side. Hyzers falling in short can get nasty rolls down toward the OB roadway but the long grass often keeps them just in-bound.

Hey Chuck, what the hell is Chestnut Gold? :)

I predict Des will come back and beat the field by 10...the other women can't hang with her for too long...

I'm going to hope that thats sarcasm. :)

But if it isn't, care to place a wager? Des wins by 10 versus a fullcolor stamped disc?

Chuck, Ching Lizard, et al,

Thanks so much for making that clear!

The schedule shows that MPO and FPO play 9 rounds, but the PDGA score table only has columns for 8 rounds. I wonder how that will be handled and recorded?

Round 9 is labeled Semi...

Chestnut Gold was played by Legends and GM Women which was 9 on Chestnut and another 9 holes 8-16 on H.Gold from White tees.

You're doing an excellent job!!



Thanks, Lowe. :cool:

Good battle ensues....

Top half of Women field is half blue and half white level. Call it pale blue. They are being treated equal to and possibly better than the Open Men in terms of course challenge. Open Men are playing a gold course and two blue courses below their skill level which is better than they sometimes get at most worlds with blue and sometimes lower level courses. Women are playing 7 gold holes above their level, 11 white a hair below their average level, a blue course slightly above their average level and a "pale blue" course at their level. The women solidly demonstrated their ability at the pale blue level on the pale blue Highbridge Gold course from the white tees.

The top four women will play the same layout in the Final 9 that the Open Men play even though I suspect some holes might produce the same scores for all four women and not affect the outcome.

All of the ladies score a 2 on hole #12 except Des. Valerie sunk a 60-footer for her deuce!

Chris, I'll bet you a Star disc Des wins by 5 strokes or more...

Chuck,

I can't believe that you have time to get on here!

Chris, I'll bet you a Star disc Des wins by 5 strokes or more...



Hmmmm, you might be right Ike, but it's getting near time to see her make a move. They get to play on the Wood-chuck course this afternoon, so I'm not too sure that it plays to the strength of Des' game.

It is always amazing to see how the experienced Pros start floating to the top of divisions...

Wow!

New leader in Open Women!!!

Angela threw into the woods from the tee and then hit wood twice getting back out of trouble. Jenkins slides into the lead!

WhooooooHoooooooo GO VAL!

Oates now has an eight stroke lead with 27 holes left. NORCAL

how far back is Des from Val???

val 11 down des 4 down

Total scores with 2 holes left in the round.

Valarie Jenkins 291
Angela Tschiggfrie 294
Carrie Burl Berlogar 296
Des Reading 298

Chris, I'll bet you a Star disc Des wins by 5 strokes or more...



Ill take that bet.......

AND your from OHIO??? :o

With two holes to go in the morning round it's currently,

Valarie Jenkins.____291 -11
Angela Tschiggfrie__294 -8
Carrie Burl Berlogar_296 -6
Des Reading.______298 -4

WhooooooHoooooooo GO VAL!



Ill 2nd that!!!!

Go Oates.....Go Harold.....Go Nate......Go Burl.....Go KL

WSET COAST... :D

It is on the live scoring. Through 17,

Valarie Jenkins____.294 -12
Angela Tschiggfrie__299 -7
Carrie Burl Berlogar_300 -6
Des Reading______.303 -3

Wow! Take a little pre-noon nap and wake up to this! Valerie!!!!!

Bring on the smack down Val, could be a Jenkins sweep, how cool would that be.

Mini Thumber

Chris, I'll bet you a Star disc Des wins by 5 strokes or more...



Ill take that bet.......

AND your from OHIO??? :o



Ill take that bet to.

Wow Val just shot 8 down on the back 9! Nice shootin!

****, Val birdied 7 of the last 9 holes!!! While everyone else seemed to be playin another course

17 is a par 4, so that's 8 birdies!

Bring on the smack down Val, could be a Jenkins sweep, how cool would that be.

Mini Thumber




I doubt that Doss all the way.

val is in the ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!

17 is a par 4, so that's 8 birdies!



cool, thats really smoken either way

Any pictures from yesterday going to be put up on flickr?

I hear ya Dog, Doss is definetly bringing it, as all the top 30 are. My Boy JJ has 5 rounds over 1000 rated, and in 27th. Go figure. Maybe MTL can bring the stats on that. When was the last time a player shot consistent over 1000 rated rounds and finished outside top 20. How does that happen. Pro's rockin the Cheese house. Great watching Val do so well. Team Tour Jenkins, NICE TANDEM

Mini Thumber

When was the last time a player shot consistent over 1000 rated rounds and finished outside top 20.


every worlds for the last 5 years. you gota play better than a 1000 if you want to be in the top 20

Thanks Wave, guess Ill be an am for a while yet. Just have to be a bagger for a while . See you at the J-Ville

Mini and CupcAce, and now UN-thumber

me and you both buddy. hope JJ finishes strong! i am super stoked on his play. Jackie schmalls was playing his heart out too.

WhooooooHoooooooo GO VAL!

Chris, I'll bet you a Star disc Des wins by 5 strokes or more...


It appears we have an accord. I'm down for that, as I stated in my first post.

Best of luck to Des, but I'm rooting for ChickFry and Val!

Goooo Val. Yea Ohio. Bring another WC to Team Jenkins.
CB

are the open men playing?

They start in 2 min. When are the morning scores going to be posted?

how many open men players made the cut?

Okay gang...we are about to get started for this afternoon's round.

We will be attempting to provide hole-by-hole action for 3 divisions at once this afternoon. Open men, Open Women and Grandmasters.

Good luck everyone!

Semi's are tomorrow but 60 make the cut

They play Sunday too????? :confused:

Yes

Somethings wrong with the Womens Live Scoring....

It isnt updated from the morning Round BUT its shows them..
already playing a hole that looks like this mornings scores AGAIN?????

DOH!!! Im quite sure that it will get fixed....

Keep it up scorers..... :Dyour doing an AWESOME job.. :D:D:D:D:D:D

Its the same for the Grandmasters

what course are the open men about to play?

Highbridge Gold

Come on MOSE!!!! Reel them in brotha!

I think it is fixed Magilla...thanks for the heads up.

I apparently forgot to hit the final submit button when uploading the morning's scores...

Looks better to me now...

The scores are in columns based on the course not on the round sequence so that ratings can be correct and over/under par values can give a better idea for A&amp;B pool ranks when they have played a different number of rounds at that point.

Open doesn't play Woodland Bear so no scores will show up for them in the R4 &amp; R8 columns for example.



So PDGA Tournament Results page doesn't show the correct current totals, right? The Open Men are missing 1 round and Open Women missing 2 rounds. I presume it will stay that way now, and potentially always. Is that right?

Man, it sure is complex to present Worlds' scores. I feel for you guys doing it, and I sure appreciate the time you're sacrificing to work on it!! It seems that if a person want to know the accurate up to date scores they would have to track it themself. Is there a separate Worlds leader board with up to date scores for the rounds played anywhere? Without it the PDGA Results page is not worth much.

I think it is fixed Magilla...thanks for the heads up.

I apparently forgot to hit the final submit button when uploading the morning's scores...

Looks better to me now...



:D

Keep up the good work... :D

Dang I wish I was there.... :( :( :(

all brothers from nc doing well. Smalls, JJ, and Mtl Go get em boy's
mini and cupcAce thumber

The Open men are playing the 850 foot par 5 #3 on Highbridge Gold

I think it is fixed Magilla...thanks for the heads up.



It looks to me like the Start Totals for the Women were wrong, and that's making the Current Totals wrong too. After hole 3 I'm seeing Angela ahead of Val by 8, so Angela is listed first.

they said yesterday to look at the current to par scores and the hole scores only those are correct.

I think it is fixed Magilla...thanks for the heads up.



It looks to me like the Start Totals for the Women were wrong, and that's making the Current Totals wrong too. After hole 3 I'm seeing Angela ahead of Val by 8, so Angela is listed first.



I think the "current" to par is correct.

After hole 3 I see the women totals listed as Val at 193 and -14 and Des at 193 and -4.
Things are conspiring against Des everywhere. :o

Seriously thanks for all the scoring efforts.

There still seem to be some problems with the Women's scoring:

1) The top says Round 6, but the schedule says this Round 9 for them.

2) Why is Angela's total score only 185 after 8 rounds? After 3 holes it shows as only 185, which looks like only 3+ rounds. Shouldn't be over 420?

I'm not complaining; I only mention this to bring it to your attention so it can be corrected. I think it's fantastic that you guys are even doing this!!

Do you think I need to delete the current hole by hole rounds and re-enter them from scratch again?

they said yesterday to look at the current to par scores and the hole scores only those are correct.



:D

Do you think I need to delete the current hole by hole rounds and re-enter them from scratch again?



No its not a big deal :)

The scores are in columns based on the course not on the round sequence so that ratings can be correct and over/under par values can give a better idea for A&amp;B pool ranks when they have played a different number of rounds at that point. The order is:
R1=GR
R2=BH
R3=HG
R4=WB
R5=GR
R6=BH
R7=HG
R8=WB

Open doesn't play Woodland Bear so no scores will show up for them in the R4 &amp; R8 columns for example.



This is why the rounds are off

After hole 5 I see Val @ 199 (-14) and Des @ 200 (-3)
Looks like the underlying formulas are off.

fossil, you might need to re-open the hole by hole again to get it looking better.

Nate had a 25 footer for a deuce but hit the band and kicked. His second putt flew over the basket and so he ended up taking a 4.

After hole 5 I see Val @ 199 (-14) and Des @ 200 (-3)
Looks like the underlying formulas are off.



I think that's only because the "Start Total" numbers were wrong. I bet that there's no problem with the formulas.

The Women's "Current To Par " is correct and the place to look to see how they're doing. Don't look at the order in the Women's list or the "Current Total" column.

Looking at the start Total and the start To Par. If a 185 total = 13 under then a 186 total can't = 2 under.
and
Des 186 total = 2 under and Burls 187 = 5 under. One throw total difference can't mean a difference in 3 To Par.

All of the Open men got into a little trouble with the woods on hole 6. Cale tossed a short pitch-out to get out and then tossed a 400' up-shot through mixed trees to land about 3' from the pin!

Just watched the lead Open Men card tee off from the world's longest disc golf hole (1,335 feet) and what a spectacle!

Kallstrom hurled a beautiful 500+ drive down the fairway...it was a real crowd pleaser!

"I throw far." :D

Apparently... Nate throw good.

Marcus may throw far, but Nate can 4 #8 HG... ;)

Holy hand-grenades!!!

Doss makes 2 throws and ends up 300' out from the pin. He almost canned the approach on his third throw, but still ends up taking a birdie 4 on this monster!

live scorecard says par 6 Eagle!

You are correct sir.

I wasn't aware that we had a par 6 out here, but sure enough, it IS a par 6. Doss' 4 on it was an EAGLE 4!!!

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....

Hope that everyone is watching it and enjoying the action.

http://www.engadinemusic.com/Education_Site/GROOVY/groovy.gif

I have never seen the courses, this link was extremely helpful.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=wi&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=10

I'm diogging the play by play. Keep it up :cool:

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....

Hope that everyone is watching it and enjoying the action.



I'm watching! How are you typing in the posts? On the course, or relayed to HQ by phone or walkie-talkie?

-Theo

I'm lovin the play by play. I'll donate cell minutes to keep it going if need be :).

Ooooo, yes

This is better than the Live Scoring results

Please go on with the hole by hole LIVE report ....

There's more than just three here.

Dude. Thanx for the link!! It's nice to see the hole they are
play'n. :cool:

im watching, thanks for the live scores.

Add another to the watching Ball golf, reading disc golf, group of viewers.

And thank you for making this possible.

is it windy there today? must not be bad if doss had a tap in 4 on 8 lol

Highbridge Wi current conditions (http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWI0318)

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=wi&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=12

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....




Live scoring + PlayDG.com

:cool:

"Chik-fry" making a run..... :)

any way to get an update on the 2nd and 3rd cards? Any one making a charge?

We lost Internet for about a half hour. Larry is heading up to process scorecards now for the courses coming in, so no more commentary, but hopefully you'll get scores.

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....

I am too! Keep up the good work. Thanks.

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....

Hope that everyone is watching it and enjoying the action.

I've been checking in from time to time. Mowed the grass, checked scores, went for a trike ride, checked scores.

Go Mark!

"Chik-fry" making a run..... :)



I'm pulling for Angela! After 15 holes she's only 2 back! She's regained 5 throws since hole 10!!

BTW, how does she pronounce her last name?

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=wi&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=12



Hole 18 looks like the perfect hole to bust out the No. 1 Hyzer

We are here, we are here, we are here!

"Chik-fry" making a run..... :)



I'm pulling for Angela! After 15 holes she's only 2 back! She's regained 5 throws since hole 10!!

BTW, how does she pronounce her last name?


It is pronouced "Chig - Fry"

Is BH 17 a par 4 for everyone or just because FPO is playing it?

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=wi&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=12



Hole 18 looks like the perfect hole to bust out the No. 1 Hyzer



Wow I had no idea that people actually use Lightning Discs...thats funny...

What's up with the PDGA Radio?
http://www.audiosportsonline.net/PDGA/Broadcast.htm
They aren't on the air.

What's up with the PDGA Radio?
http://www.audiosportsonline.net/PDGA/Broadcast.htm
They aren't on the air.



Check that ... the stream has opened up.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=wi&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=12



Hole 18 looks like the perfect hole to bust out the No. 1 Hyzer



Wow I had no idea that people actually use Lightning Discs...thats funny...


"Not a cloud in the sky...and I just saw Lightning..."
:D

Larry is heading up to process scorecards now for the courses coming in, so no more commentary, but hopefully you'll get scores.

So, what's your 'lazy-butt' doin'? :DWe're spoiled now!

Holy smokin' 55 by Kallstrom at HG!

Markus goes -12! He must throw far! :D

Holy smokin' 55 by Kallstrom at HG!



Looks like theres a ..strom a brewin... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

:D

Is BH 17 a par 4 for everyone or just because FPO is playing it?



Everyone.

how many more rounds are left?
(in the whole thing)

and whats up with the radio? it's playing music

Tomorrow is the semi's and final 9

Is BH 17 a par 4 for everyone or just because FPO is playing it?



Everyone.



Thanks

Are the posting the top 60 players yet that made it to the semis?

I'm assuming the 58th placed players (all ties) and up made in the semis....

All scores for the main portion of the singles competition have been uploaded.

Semi finals are tomorrow and finals on Sunday.

Go Mose, go Crandolph!! If you guys can't do it, go Leiviska, he's had one hell of a year and this would be a great topper (nothing against Nate, but he's already got a world's title) even though the year is far from over. Still got the MSDGC and USDGC...

keep it going Robbie Bratten beating allot of 1000+ rated golfers

What's the cut-line for Masters? 26

top 57 make semis in open.

55 is SICK

What happened to Matt Orum? Did he miss holes when he shot the 67 (881 rated)?

BTW, thanks to those up in Highbridge keeping us updated!

All scores for the main portion of the singles competition have been uploaded.

Semi finals are tomorrow and finals on Sunday.



tomorrow is Sunday

JJ shot a 56 too...... hooooooahhhhhhh :cool:

top 57 make semis in open.

55 is SICK




It says top 60 for Open Division.

top 57 make semis in open.

55 is SICK



We shall see :p

Game is still on :eek:

It says top 60 for Open Division.

Where does it say top 60? The schedule shows 57.

http://www.pdga.com/documents/2007/07ProWorldsScheduleV2-6.pdf

http://www.pdga.com/documents/2007/ProWorldsConfirm.php

Click on event schedule. Says 60....

I talked to a friend up there and he said our buddies Pat Blake and Mark Moose Luebeck made the semis and they are 58th tied.

I hope they did make it in and it isn't top 57 onlybut top 60.

I wonder which one is right. Chuck?

http://www.2007proworlds.com/images/PW2007_Sch_v3.pdf

This is the current schedule on the website and it says it was last updated on July 26.

an exert from my blog about today...

Unfortantly, I didn't get enough warm up in. I'm all about volunteering and know that there is no way anything like this could be pulled off without the aid of many volunteers. However, when a round starts at 8, the leaderboard and scorecard should be out before 7, not at 7:15. A C tier would have had the scorecards ready by 6:45, and I'm playing a major and had to wait to warm up.

This really upset me as I had to then shorten my normal routine by 20 minutes. I am not using this as an excuse as I actually threw the first holes really well, but it is a mental thing.

I wish I knew if there was more than just 3 of you guys paying attention to this hole by hole stuff....

Hope that everyone is watching it and enjoying the action.



http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9366/ohsnapeo2.th.jpg (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ohsnapeo2.jpg)

Go Val! Go Val! Go Val! NEO FOR VAL!!!

I have enjoyed seeing the pictures posted on flickr, but it would be nice to know who exactly is in the pictures, instead of seeing IMG_0137.

Could somebody who is familiar with the players take a look at the pictures and post who is in what picture?

TIA,

Keep it up VAL!!!!!!!!! I've known her for almost 12 years and it is wonderfull seeing her at the top of her game. I remember the days when she would hang out at the events that her parents ran back in Median. What ca cool [censored] chick/ I really hope she wins!!!!! Who would have ever thought she would be at this level of golf.

Can somebody explain the secenerial. 1 round of semi's this morning, and then 1 round of finals with top 4. Is that correct. By chance, what time. ? Anybody

Mini Thumber

<font color="blue"> WHAAA </font>

Semis at 8am. Legends Final 9 at 11:30, GM/Mstr Women @ Noon, MPS-12:10, MPG-12:20, MPM-12:30, FPO-1:45, MPO-2:30. Holes will be BH3, temp, HG13 extended, HG14 thru HG18, then BH2 to finish. FPO &amp; MPO will have a special extended par 5 hole in place of HG14.

Thanks Chuck, so live scoring should begin in 1/2 hr. Good round JJ, keep moving up.
Mini Thumber

Live scoring for the top 8 Open, top 4 Women, and top 4 Masters will begin shortly!

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6277

Awsome Jeff, and thier are alot more than you could imaging watching this. Thanks

Jim Oates' comfortable cushion of 8 shrunk by two strokes on the first hole the Masters when he took a bogey 6 to Hammock's 4 on the par 5 sixth hole of Highbridge Gold.

Awsome Jeff, and thier are alot more than you could imaging watching this. Thanks




<font color="blue">THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING !! </font> :eek:

Hole 3 is par 5 and Feldberg got a 2???

Hole 3 is par 5 and Feldberg got a 2???



Is that a nice 3 stroke swing!?

looks like nate is on a roll today

5 strokes left for Des!

GO DES, GO DES, GO DES,....!

Hole 3 is par 5 and Feldberg got a 2???


Granite Ridge pictures (http://www.proworlds2007.com/gr1-6.htm) shows par 3/4 on hole 3

Nate Doss reportedly hit an 80-foot deuce putt on the 580-foot par three third hole of the Granite Ridge course and his lead has grown to 8 strokes over Markus K�llstr�m and Cale Leiviska.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=WI&amp;c=graniteridge&amp;h=3

I see the pars are fixed on the scorecards now.

So all the womens holes are par 3 this morning?

Come on Jim Oates!!

Don't let the little person catch up.

Just take bigger steps,... he'll never get there!! :p

Hole 3 is par 5 and Feldberg got a 2???



The pars were incorrect, and I have adjusted them accordingly. Thanks for the heads-up.

Did the Women actually start on hole 3 of HGW, as the schedule states?

I'm trying to compare their scores to the holes on playdg.com but the Current pars don't seem to make sense.

12 women made the semi finals so maybe 4 per hole with the lead group on 3?

I think the pars on the Women's Live Scoring need to be corrected too.

I think the pars on the Women's Live Scoring need to be corrected too.



If not then that course is kicking some WOMEN BOOTY today!

Isn't that the one that Des was so upset about? Highbridge Gold White

Lets go Nate, Jim and Burl
NORCAL

Did the Women actually start on hole 3 of HGW, as the schedule states?

I'm trying to compare their scores to the holes on playdg.com but the Current pars don't seem to make sense.



The women did indeed start on hole#3 of the Highbridge Gold course, playing from White tees. The pars have also been corrected.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=WI&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=3

Lets go Nate, Jim and Burl
NORCAL

...and Anni!

Did the Women actually start on hole 3 of HGW, as the schedule states?

I'm trying to compare their scores to the holes on playdg.com but the Current pars don't seem to make sense.





The women did indeed start on hole#3 of the Highbridge Gold course, playing from White tees. The pars have also been corrected.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=WI&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=3





THANKS GUYS !!! :D

Val lost two strokes to Angela on the first two holes of play, and they've been deadlocked since in a tie for the lead. The women's Open is the most hotly contested of all the divisions at Pro Worlds 2007 and the title is up for grabs!

Val and the Chik having a battle. Des coming, hold on Val. How in the ((&amp;*^). Did Feldberg get a duece on a par 5. Hope thats on video, not a birdie, not an eagle, but a golden eagle huh!
Mini Thumber

Lets go Nate, Jim and Burl
NORCAL

...and Anni!



Sorry Steve
We both forgot Kenny Lee

Jeff (scoring director) no breaks, Please, keep it coming brother for those of us that cant be there. Tell me more about felfberg's duce on a par 5

The only par 5 on the course they are playing is hole 18 he birded a par 3

Val and the Chik having a battle. Des coming, hold on Val. How in the ((&amp;*^). Did Feldberg get a duece on a par 5. Hope thats on video, not a birdie, not an eagle, but a golden eagle huh!
Mini Thumber




Jeff (scoring director) no breaks, Please, keep it coming brother for those of us that cant be there. Tell me more about felfberg's duce on a par 5



The only par 5 on the Granite Ridge course is hole #18. Pars were shown incorrectly before. Feldberg did not score a deuce on a par 5.

Lets go Nate, Jim and Burl
NORCAL

...and Anni!



I'll second that!

You can do it Jim!

Thanks Brother, I was like wow, and headed to the airport.

Any aces on Blueberry yesterday?

Jim Oates started the round with an 8 stroke lead, which after his latest pars on holes 15, 17 and 18 to Hammocks's birdies, has now shrunk to just 3.

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=WI&amp;c=highbridgegold&amp;h=16