www.KCworlds.com (http://www.KCworlds.com)
it is up and running. We will be adding information as we go.

I would ask that as many people as possible get to the Host hotel. There is another convention already planned the same week, and though we should have enough rooms, you will want to get it booked early, and take over the hotel!!!! Everything, I mean EVERYTHING will either happen at the hotel, or close enough that you will not have to go far to get to it (walking distance) with the exception of the courses. We want this to be the best place to be, with a variety of options located within the hotel and the center itself, one could eat a different dinner every night at a different restaraunt and never have to leave the place!

It is going to be a great time, it will be hot, and the action will be just as hot. If you have any additional questions, call or PM, most information that comes from the internet is not always accurate, and the website will have information that has been Worlds Approved. If it does not come directly from John Chapman or Jack Lowe, consider it speculation.

Your thoughts and suggestions have led us to use one facility to host all events, no driving to go here for the players meeting, or to the fly mart, or to the registration, and in fact other family members will have plenty to do within the area while you play your rounds, so realizing this is a vacation time for many and a chance to win a world title, we want you to be comfortable, and have the knowledge to know where to find all the information.

This is going to be a blast, but not the cold winter air blast that we got yesterday!!!

It will be HOT HOT HOT, how hot will your game be come July?

Looking forward to it!!!

Thanks,

Jack :D

I was planning on heading up to avoid the heat!


I so can't wait for this ONE! I know the KC crew will give us one of the best if not the best worlds ever.

World's won't be this close to home again for a while! You know it's gonna be awesome!

Not sure of the proper forum to ask this but ...

Does anyone know if there will be caddy syle booklets available for download and print for each course? They had those at the Texas State Champoinships last year and they really helped the firs ttime through a course.

Not sure of the proper forum to ask this but ...

Does anyone know if there will be caddy syle booklets available for download and print for each course? They had those at the Texas State Champoinships last year and they really helped the firs ttime through a course.
Can anyone answer this question?

There usually is.

I doubt that we will have them available to download, but you can see quite a few of the courses (though some of the courses have changed since they did this, like Cliff Drive....) www.playdg.com.

We are working on redesigning all of our courses tee signs right now (thanks Tracy and Dick!!!) so we will hopefully be able to use their signs to mirror the players book that we will be providing.

I hope that this helps.

Thanks,

Jack

Can we see the current pre-reg list anywhere?

Thanks!

The lists are on the schedule page. Here's the ams link.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8105

I am trying to find out information about the Thornfield Course. I can't seem to find it in the PDGA Course Directory or a link to the course on the Worlds webpage.

Is this course new?
Is this course temporary?
Does the course or park go by a different name/nickname?
What is the name of the city or zip code?


Any and all information is greatly appreciated.

Is this course new?
Yes. Last year it held it's first event.

Is this course temporary?
No, but it is private.

Does the course or park go by a different name/nickname?
No.

What is the name of the city or zip code?
Google doc of course map: http://docs.google.com/Present?docid=dctsrvjd_88cfmgkwgm
Google Map of Land: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=6701+West+167th+Street,+Stilwell,+KS.+66085&sll=39.090432,-94.583653&sspn=0.983795,2.114868&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

Its a private course open only to benefit charity causes, it is located in South johnson county, there are a few charitiable events coming up, and we hope to have it opened about a week or so before worlds to practice. Right now we are working on the pads, they are natural, but will probably be flypads or similar, as the owner does not want concrete on his property.

Next event is this weekend, for prostate cancer, then June 6th for Mounted Police Patrol is the next event.

Hope that this helps.

Jack

Thanks Chris and Jack.

Any idea if photos of the individual holes will be available before July on Playdg.com or the KCFD website?

Thanks Chris and Jack.

Any idea if photos of the individual holes will be available before July on Playdg.com or the KCFD website?

We're hoping to get some photos up soon. We had to wait until the courses started to green out so we could get you more accurate photos. :)

Chap

Thanks for all the information. You guys Roc!

http://www.houckdesign.com/2006-Aerial-Photo.jpg

John Houck will be designing an 18-hole championship course in Lenexa's beautiful new award-winning park. The course should be open in the spring of 2009, and plans are for it to be one of the courses used for the 2009 PDGA Professional and World Amateur Championships in July.

Black Hoof Park is not going to be done in time for Worlds, so the Rosedale Down Under course will be used.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Icon_cry.gif

Looks like this course could have been da bomb...

ran out of funding, they are laying off people, so its on hold. Times are hard, and it hurts all over.

Please try and let Advanced play waterworks!

Since the Pros are paying $100 more to play, they should get to play the better courses, IMO. If there is room to fit some Am flights on those courses after that, cool.

Since the Pros are paying $100 more to play, they should get to play the better courses, IMO. If there is room to fit some Am flights on those courses after that, cool.

Since the people running the event make more money from AMs than Pros I think AMs should get the play the premeir courses.

Seriously ... Waterworks is the best course in the area and with a week to play there is no reason that each division shouldn't get one crack at it.

Seriously ... Waterworks is the best course in the area and with a week to play there is no reason that each division shouldn't get one crack at it.

Seriously-http://kcworlds.com/worlds-schedule.xls
Did you check the schedule (which is going to change, Black Hoof and Legacy will be removed in the next version)
Getting 1000+ people to play one course in a 4 day week is darn near impossible. We do ur best, but even those people not playing WaterWorks are still giong to be treated to some great golf in Kansas City we have many great courses here, Water Works is just one of them.

Anyone have any idea on course info for Shawnee or Rosedale Down Under? Is it right to assume Ams will be playing Down Under instead of Black Hoof?

TIA,

Dave

It is not sfe to assume anything, and especially this. We did not just plug and play different courses.
http://www.jcprd.com/park_admin/pdf/SMP-DiscGolf.pdf
for Shawnee Mission Park

Hmmmm on the Down Under, I will have to look for a map of it, but it is TIGHT TECHNICAL course with nothing over 350' and most shots under 300 through the trees. Elevation comes into play on most of the holes.

It is not sfe to assume anything, and especially this. We did not just plug and play different courses.
http://www.jcprd.com/park_admin/pdf/SMP-DiscGolf.pdf
for Shawnee Mission Park

Hmmmm on the Down Under, I will have to look for a map of it, but it is TIGHT TECHNICAL course with nothing over 350' and most shots under 300 through the trees. Elevation comes into play on most of the holes.
Thanks for the helpful reply Jack. Well what I really wanted to know is what courses the Advanced division will play. Since we cannot practice the courses from NC, the best we can try to do is simulate them with local courses, but to do that we need to know what courses to simulate. Also, along the same lines, are the courses to be played being played from the longest tee pads of several options? [you know I wouldn't want to assume anything, that would not be safe :-)]

In other words, I'm sure there are many who are intending to spend thousands of dollars on attending this event and want to be as prepared as possible. For this reason, they will want/need to get the info on what courses will be played at your earliest possible convenience.

TIA

Dave

The revised schedule has been completed, just awaiting approval in order to post. It will be up soon, possibly this weekend. This will be last change, as we now have all the courses identified that we will use, and they are all in the ground already and being played on. With the economy it threw some wrenches in a few of the new courses that were originally slated.

Many thanks. I'll keep an eye out

Dave

I notice the Advanced Grand Master field is nearly full with 71 players. Will you be accepting more than the 72 player cap for Grand Masters?
Chris K

At this time, we will not be accepting more than the 72 people in Advanced Grandmasters. I'm currently looking at ways to adjust the schedule to get more GMs in, but at this time I'm not sure it can even be done. It would involve adding a pool (or perhaps overflowing into an existing pool, like the S Pool with the Adv. SGM), and then making sure we can shuffle those pools midweek as well as making sure those pools played the same courses. The schedule is fairly tight already, and there's not much maneuvering room. PDGA has already said we cannot have 5-somes or ghost cards, so that option is also out.

Folks who want to sign for Advanced Grandmasters should go ahead and do so, but indicate what secondary division (most likely Adv. Masters) they'd like to be in if we can't squeeze them into Adv. GM.

Perhaps this is a good problem to have, however. It means that Worlds invites may start to have more meaning.

John Chapman
2009 PDGA Worlds Tournament Director

Can you explain the Saturday schedule? I see Finals at Blue Valley, but what does Headrick at Rosedale Orig. mean for the open pool? http://kcworlds.com/2009-pro-worlds-schedule.htm

If you look at the bottom right of the schedule it has listed what pools will play in which groupings:

SEMIFINAL GROUPINGS:

Rosedale TOP-Headrick................ MPO
Swope-Palmeri.................. FPO, MPM, FPM, MPG
Water Works-Stork...................... MA1
Cliff Drive-Stancil................... MM1, MG1
Olathe's Prairie Center-Morrison................ FPG, MPS, MPL, MS1, MJ1, MJ2


Those divisions listed play on those courses for their semi-final rounds.

Hope that this helps.

Forgive me if I'm dense...

Does this mean that
Friday night there is a cut?
Saturday Morning there is a semi for about 1 pool of players?
Saturday Afternoon there is a final ?

Forgive me if I'm dense...

Does this mean that
Friday night there is a cut?
Saturday Morning there is a semi for about 1 pool of players?
Saturday Afternoon there is a final ?

YES, YES, and YES

Can anyone give us any indication where we can find out anything about Thornfield?

There is NO Thornfield in the course directory (either city or Course name in either state.)

Which course of Rosedale, Swope and Waterworks does it resemble the closest, if at all?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Which course of Rosedale, Swope and Waterworks does it resemble the closest, if at all?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I found the following from here (http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2331.0):

Can't wait to get back and play it again. Comments:
- well balanced long/short, hyzers/annies, woods, fields, up hill/down and on and on
- 7700+ ft in length

What a generous man and a beautiful piece of property!
Did it have any wooded par 4s?Yes, at least one I remember: #14
500+ ft.
Think of Water Works, #6 except longer and a much tighter tunnel.
If you throw a straight putter three times, a four is a given, a three is a GREAT score on this hole (IMHO)
# 8 - tee shot is out 50ft of woods shooting out in to an open field.
# 9 - (postcard hole) no woods but 663ft!
#11 - not sure why this was a par 4?
#17 - pretty open, easy three for most.
(can't remember the last par 4?) http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1898/thornfield.jpg

At this time, we will not be accepting more than the 72 people in Advanced Grandmasters. I'm currently looking at ways to adjust the schedule to get more GMs in, but at this time I'm not sure it can even be done. It would involve adding a pool (or perhaps overflowing into an existing pool, like the S Pool with the Adv. SGM), and then making sure we can shuffle those pools midweek as well as making sure those pools played the same courses. The schedule is fairly tight already, and there's not much maneuvering room. PDGA has already said we cannot have 5-somes or ghost cards, so that option is also out.

Folks who want to sign for Advanced Grandmasters should go ahead and do so, but indicate what secondary division (most likely Adv. Masters) they'd like to be in if we can't squeeze them into Adv. GM.

Perhaps this is a good problem to have, however. It means that Worlds invites may start to have more meaning.

John Chapman
2009 PDGA Worlds Tournament Director

Doesn't it really mean that we are a growing division of players that needs more room to play? Maybe you could put the late arrivals on a 'wait list' before assigning them to Adv Masters at the last minute. Or pool us with the Senior Grands if the numbers support it. By the way, how many more Adv GM signups would it take for us to get everyone who wanted to play MG1 into the tournament?

There appears to be a conflict between the posted schedules.

I am in pool F - FPM/FPG

On this schedule: http://kcworlds.com/2009-Worlds-Schedule-v4.2-pool.pdf
It says my pool (F) is playing semi-finals at Swope.

On this schedule: http://kcworlds.com/2009-pro-worlds-schedule.htm
It says my division (FPG) is playing semi-finals at Morrison aka Prairie Center.

Which Schedule is correct?

Nice catch discette. I'll look over this and the sheets I have and get you (and the rest of you) the corrected information again....

Good catch, Suzette. Pro Women GM (FPG) will most likely not have a semifinal at all, and that division has never had a semifinal in the entire history of the PDGA World Championships (at least since 2001, and my recollection before that time is typically that division was populated by either Sylvia Voakes or Midge Erkenbrecher, or no one at all). Pro Women Masters (FPM) will likely not have a semifinal, either, for the same reason. According to PDGA guidelines, you will need 16 players in that division to have a semifinal. If FGM meets that threshhold, the semifinal will likely be at Swope.

Chap

If you get close to the 16 figure, maybe you can talk Sylvia Voakes into playing in your division.

his answers are so much better than mine....I wonder often why I bother....

In 2002, there were 9 MPG. So far, for 2009, there are 33. That's a pretty big percentage jump.

Good catch, Suzette. Pro Women GM (FPG) will most likely not have a semifinal at all, and that division has never had a semifinal in the entire history of the PDGA World Championships (at least since 2001, and my recollection before that time is typically that division was populated by either Sylvia Voakes or Midge Erkenbrecher, or no one at all). Pro Women Masters (FPM) will likely not have a semifinal, either, for the same reason. According to PDGA guidelines, you will need 16 players in that division to have a semifinal. If FGM meets that threshhold, the semifinal will likely be at Swope.

Chap


I notice the same problem in pool G (MPS) divison. It appears the Excel schedule simply hasn't been completely updated to reflect the changes. Maybe the MPS don't play the semi's either?


At any rate, I understand that the schedules are still subject to change and nothing is set in stone until we get closer to the event.



Thanks again for all the work you guys are doing to make this event possible!:):):)

Why no friday afternoon rounds? Six rounds ain't much for Worlds.

I would imagine same scenario on the MPS as your's.

I believe that everyone is playing 6 rounds, but with the players party at Grinders, we did not want anyone to miss it. So everyone should be done early Friday afternoon to enjoy the week, congratulate the winners, drown in sorrows....etc.....Friday's party is going to be one for the ages. Do not miss it. We don't want you to!

Six rounds is what was played in prelims at Highbridge and is also planned for 2010 Pro Worlds. When you have longer courses and use tee times, six courses will continue to be the norm for prelims I would expect.

Why no friday afternoon rounds? Six rounds ain't much for Worlds.

People were REALLY dragging last year after 7 rounds in 5 days under ideal temperatures. With the good chance it will be 100 degrees here all week (that's what happened the two previous Am Worlds), we decided on a 6-round format such as what Augusta did in 2006 (plus semifinal and finals make 7.5 rounds). We also shortened the tournament by a day. 8 rounds in 4 days used to be the standard, but courses have become longer and more difficult over the years. As far as Friday goes, we wanted people to be able to attend the Hall of Fame inductions and players party on Friday, and still be fresh for Saturday.

Chap

Six rounds is what was played in prelims at Highbridge and is also planned for 2010 Pro Worlds. When you have longer courses and use tee times, six courses will continue to be the norm for prelims I would expect.

We had this same discussion last year. You said there was some survey supporting this conclusion. If it really is a majority view, then so be it, but I wonder. If we are going to be limited to six rounds, why not still space them out over the whole week; that way, players can watch the open players a couple of times without a huge gallery.

The 100 degree argument is certainly meaningful, but if it is going to take a toll, it will have done so by Friday.

At any rate, I am looking forward to it; I realize y'all have a lot of folks to please.

I notice the same problem in pool G (MPS) divison. It appears the Excel schedule simply hasn't been completely updated to reflect the changes. Maybe the MPS don't play the semi's either?


At any rate, I understand that the schedules are still subject to change and nothing is set in stone until we get closer to the event.



Thanks again for all the work you guys are doing to make this event possible!:):):)

Thanks for the catch again. The semifinal pairings are probably the one thing most subject to change on the schedule. Once I got your message, I contacted Gentry who gave me the official scoop on what divisions are supposed to have semis. I imagine we'll have more than 16 SGMs (we already have 10 signed up), so they will likely have a semi. Anyhow, schedule 5.1 is coming down the pike soon. Believe me, I'd like to be done with it, but there's going to be little changes here and there due to the numbers of folks who sign up in which divisions. Most of the future changes will be tiny tweaks, and I'll let people know when they occur.

Chap

Chap, the MG1 (Advanced Grand Master Men) division has 71 of 72 available spots filled and we are still 1 month away from the deadline. Maybe next year we can grow the tournament to include more than 72 GMs.

Chap, the MG1 (Advanced Grand Master Men) division has 71 of 72 available spots filled and we are still 1 month away from the deadline. Maybe next year we can grow the tournament to include more than 72 GMs.

That is certainly something for the folks in Mid-Ohio to consider. Of course, there's nothing wrong with invites meaning something, either. Two sides of the coin, so to speak.

Chap

That is certainly something for the folks in Mid-Ohio to consider. Of course, there's nothing wrong with invites meaning something, either. Two sides of the coin, so to speak.

Chap
I agree chap.

Mid-Ohio only has five courses available next year for Am Worlds so earning invites this year will likely matter. I'd be surprised if even 72 slots were available for Adv GM next year. There's a possibility of one temp course but that may only be set up for the semis.

Im playing advanced, looks like 4 pools of 70 players. this is my first Worlds. anyway to tell what pool i will be before i get to KC?

Not until you get here. We will be working on this as we get closer to the event. people drop out, special requests for travel, all those things, so probably about the weekend before it shuold be close to final, but crazy things happen. They are pools of 72 BTW.

Look forward to having you here!

So I am trying to guilt a few people so that we have people from EVERY STATE, I'd like to have people from at least 6 continent's, I'll give in to Antartica, so I need someone from Africa.....and South America.....here is what I posted in our local forum. Texas is leading the pack, those crazy people, all the courses and land they got, they think that they will take it all with them while they are here. Come one and come all, lets get your state represented, and lets make it a big good ole time here in KC.

Apparently no one in Arkansas likes us. I guess were too far away to come to the world's. Because as of last week no one from the state of Arkansas has signed up......do they have the internet there, or do we need to send Timko around to do some door knocking. Outside of Arkansas no one from the following states have signed up for worlds:
Arkansas-0
DC-0
Maine-0
New Hampshire-0
North Dakota-0
Rhode Island-0 (Live Free or Die, but don't play disc golf?)
South Carolina-0
Utah-0 (All those families and no one heard of disc golf?)
Vermont-0 (Really....they just run tourney's in the state, but don't play?)

Here is the breakdown on the rest of the world that is making the trek to this once in a lifetime event!

TEXAS 63
CALIFORNIA 46
KANSAS 34
MISSOURI 32
IOWA 19
COLORADO 17
OKLAHOMA 17
NORTH CAROLINA 14
FLORIDA 13
ILLINOIS 13
INDIANA 10
MINNESOTA 9
OREGON 9
PENNSYLVANIA 9
GEORGIA 8
NEBRASKA 8
OHIO 8
ALABAMA 7
ARIZONA 7
KENTUCKY 7
MICHIGAN 7
NEW JERSEY 7
WISCONSIN 7
LOUISIANA 6
SOUTH DAKOTA 6
HAWAII 4
MASSACHUSETTS 4
NEVADA 4
VIRGINIA 4
WASHINGTON 4
IDAHO 3
MARYLAND 3
NEW MEXICO 3
TENNESSEE 3
MISSISSIPPI 2
MONTANA 2
WYOMING 2
ALASKA 1
CONNECTICUT 1
DELAWARE 1
NEW YORK 1
WEST VIRGINIA 1
ARKANSAS 0
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 0
MAINE 0
NEW HAMPSHIRE 0
NORTH DAKOTA 0
RHODE ISLAND 0
SOUTH CAROLINA 0
UTAH 0
VERMONT 0
State Total 426

Australia 1
USA 426
Canada 10
China 1
Finland 4
France 1
Germany 1
Norway 1
Sweden 7
Switzerland 2
All Total 454

Im playing advanced, looks like 4 pools of 70 players. this is my first Worlds. anyway to tell what pool i will be before i get to KC?

Pool assignments will be made soon after registration closes on July 17.

Jack, New Hampshire's motto is "Live Free or Die". :) Rhode Island's nickname is the Ocean State, or "Little Rhody".

Now that we are finish talking about hotels (i Hope) lets talk about the World Championship

I so glade this is your first, and hope not your last.

IN tulsa 2006 I got to talking to this big loud guy by the pool. as we talked we found out that he lived 1 hour and 1/2 from me. still to day one of the best friends I have ever had.
(yes Manny Big Rock)

I still get Pm and emails from people all over the country. Manny even watchs Big Rock and I shoot it out at tournaments here in NC all the way from AZ.

IMHO The PDGA world championship is the greatest sporting event in the world. maybe due Disc Golf being the best sport. But you can not forget about the people that make up the sport. you are going to make life long friends. And please make it point to meet some of the internations Disc Golfer. One more great memory from 2007 was meeting Team Japan.

In the past there has always been a thread for people to voice (type) there picks for winners so let me start that one

Here are some of my picks

Boys 16 and under is Nate Fellows.
boys 10 and under is nick Duran 2 time Jr World champion 10 and under.
Mens Adv is David Wiggins Jr. 5 time Jr World Champion.

These three young men are not only great Disc Golfer they are great off the course.

One thing that make this event so great is you guys that are playing are playing for your State, There is a lot of state Rivalries. But remember your also playing for your country


Go Team USA.

Hey Wyatt,
How could anyone miss ol' Bigrock. You can see that big old smile of his from satellites in outer space. I do hope to see him and his lovely bride and his Cupcake at Worlds again this year. And if he wears his Shrek shirt again, he'll be glowing! But he's moved up to the big times now (advanced masters) so now there's not much to watch out for between you two.
I do appreciate the vote of confidence for Nick, but there are still quite a few boys out there that could make Nicks mission a difficult one. Either way, we'll come fully prepared. I do have to agree with D.W. though, Andrews looking real solid. Him and Brock will have to battle it out for the W though. Don't take him lightly!
And I do agree that not only are you playing for yourself, but for your state. NC always has some solid golfers representing, but Az.'s got a pretty good group representing this year, so watch out! And when it comes right down to it, GO TEAM U.S.A...Yeah Baby!

Manny Andrew and I thank you. He Trains hard. He knows not to unders estimate anyone. Brock's solid as well and has come a long way since Tulsa.

Not sure if you notice in my last post I just got off the phone with Bill and Brock about an hour ago. They are ready for Kc.

Is it just me or does it seem to you too that there is not alot of excitement going on about this years Worlds? Usually by this time people are chattering about the event? I can hear crickets chirping. Are we in the wrong thread? I don't know about you all but we can hardly wait to get to KC!

I know what you mean that is way I have been posting so much. just to try to get things going. last year at this time we had the world scared to death about Big Jerm from North Carolina. I am so glade he won we talked a lot of junk about him.

I hope to be able to watch Big Jerm play at least round of his first Pro Worlds

What division is Chris Playing this year I forgot to look.

I assume by papparoc you mean Bill Dowell. Great guy, I was at the tournament Sunday when Brock got his ace.....what an awesome day for that kid!!!

We're staying at the host hotel too Wyatt, look forward to meeting you. I don't live in KC now, but my parents do, so I've been in the area quite a bit. Kansas City is a very nice city, and we're going to be staying in one of the nicest places that you can stay. You won't be disappointed in how you chose to spend your money. I promise.

Chris is my darkhorse pick for this years event. I am wondering if he will have one of the best caddies I have ever had the privledge of working with by his side?

It was great talking with you Wyatt and if you are a hick I want to be a hick when I grow up.

Looking Forward to seeing you guy's in KC
ROC ON

I assume by papparoc you mean Bill Dowell. Great guy, I was at the tournament Sunday when Brock got his ace.....what an awesome day for that kid!!!

We're staying at the host hotel too Wyatt, look forward to meeting you. I don't live in KC now, but my parents do, so I've been in the area quite a bit. Kansas City is a very nice city, and we're going to be staying in one of the nicest places that you can stay. You won't be disappointed in how you chose to spend your money. I promise.


Brock (KidRoc) had to tell me about his ACE I can't wait to see how his game has come along. Bill and I PM each other all the time and talk on the phone at least twice a year. I hope to make to his Tournament someday.

My family and I look forward to KS. I'm sure we will not be Disappointed I know the guys in KS have worked very hard.

I really look forward to trying the local food.

Chris is my darkhorse pick for this years event. I am wondering if he will have one of the best caddies I have ever had the privledge of working with by his side?

It was great talking with you Wyatt and if you are a hick I want to be a hick when I grow up.

Looking Forward to seeing you guy's in KC
ROC ON

Thanks again guys for the votes of confidence. Chris will make one run at the Junior <19 division and will make one attempt next year at the Advanced division, and then on to the BIG leagues! His game has come along nicely, and with a BIG win at the Flagstaff Supertour his confidence level is real high. As for caddying for him, he's a teenager, so of course he knows everything, and there's nothing I could help him with. Except for a ride to KC and food and lodging and etc. etc. etc... Besides he's no fun to play with anyways, he's got his Ipod on all through the round. He does listen to good music though...
Congrats to Brock on the Ace! How long was the hole? At what course? That little guy's going to be a force to reckoned with in the future! Can't wait to see how much he's grown.
Hey, I want to be a hick too! Can someone live in Az. and still be a hick?

I assume by papparoc you mean Bill Dowell. Great guy, I was at the tournament Sunday when Brock got his ace.....what an awesome day for that kid!!!

We're staying at the host hotel too Wyatt, look forward to meeting you. I don't live in KC now, but my parents do, so I've been in the area quite a bit. Kansas City is a very nice city, and we're going to be staying in one of the nicest places that you can stay. You won't be disappointed in how you chose to spend your money. I promise.

We had a great time in Iowa City and weekend at the Rez is as good as it gets when it come to disc golf events. We were worried about Brocks elbow but the new backhand game came threw. The ace was with a sidearm though. The most exciting thing was Lori's 2nd place finish, Ya gotta keep moma happy.

Just a little over a month and the excitement is unreal.
Can't wait for KC

mmmmm...barbecue....

mmmmm...barbecue....

That is what I was thinking.

Our Area of North Carolina is Famous for it's Type of Barbecue.

I have to check out the KS version.

Either our posts got moved, or I'm losin' it....lol....wierd.

There's a local favorite barbecue place that's near Rosedale, I think I've heard it's actually in a gas station or something, I've yet to try it. Local Kansas City boys, help me out here, what's that place?

A couple other places I'm planning on trying during worlds:
Fiorella's Jack Stack Barbecue (http://www.jackstackbbq.com/jack-stack-barbecue-freight-house/i/12/)
BB's Lawnside BBQ (http://www.bbslawnsidebbq.com/BBsMain.htm)


post some barbecue favorite's locals. I want to know where the awesome "Mom-n-Pop" joints are. I never get out on the town when I'm in KC, always doing the family thang. The week of worlds will be different than most of my visits home.

[QUOTE=GDL;1381849]Either our posts got moved, or I'm losin' it....lol....wierd.

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I'm getting confused too. Thought it was just me. Thanks for seeing it too.


Keep posting Good BBQ (as we call in NC)vspots.

A native that now live in our area said there was a good place neat Water Works park, is this true and what is the name?

We had a great time in Iowa City and weekend at the Rez is as good as it gets when it come to disc golf events.

Oh man that brings back memories.

Rosedale
Oklahoma Joes (My best BBQ is in the back of a Gas Station)-Just south of Rosedale about 2 lights away. Hands down one of if not the best BBQ in town. It was listed in Anthony Bourdain's 13 Place to Eat Before You Die....so you may wanna try it....(47th & Mission)
Rosedale BBQ on SW Blvd down the hill is pretty solid as well.
Quick's BBQ on 7th st. is hard to locate, (just across the bridge on the west on 7th st heading North 7th is also Rainbow as you go South) but well worth it. Gates, Quick, Bryant's

Not sure about a BBQ near WW...other than Smokehouse (63rd & N. Oak Trfwy)

Cliff Drive has
Gates-How May I help you (12th and Brooklyn)
Arthur Bryants-You eating that here? Then get a plate, or open your hands! (18th and Brooklyn)
Winslows in River Mkt (5th and Walnut)-I am not a big fan of this place though, with Bryant's and Gates, and OK Joes close by, they are worth the extra few miles....

Swope has SmokeStack (probably the BEST beans in all of KC) (89th and Wornall)
BB's lawnside BBQ & Blues nightly (85th and Troost) How can that be a bad thing?
and a little travel to:
Jack Stack in Martin City (135th and Holmes) Its pretty dang tasty as well, they have other locations, I think plaza, and close to the hotel in the Freight HOuse area (Walking distances)

WyCo
Wyandot BBQ (85th and State Avenue)

Ok there are a few not real close that I like as well. LC's is awesome as well, 5800 Blue Parkway, it'd be in between Swope and Blue Valley.

There is plaenty of arguments over BBQ, and KC has over 100 places.....that call themselves KC BBQ, so you can eat to your hearts content BBQ everyday. If you find something better than horsemeat, please let Kevin McCoy know the location so he may try!

interestingly enough....

from today's KC Star

http://www.kansascity.com/934/gallery/1257588.html

Based on this Smoking Guns would be close to Water Works.....I have not been there...I'll have to check it out. Thanks for making me find new places to eat from all over the world!

Any pre-reg list for Mixed AM Doubles?

My wife found this ...
http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/2-for-1-specials/index.aspx

It has a lot of 2 for 1 deals. Some I plan on using ...

2 for 1 tickets to the Royals. Some of the crew from Tejas is planning a trip to the Saturday game.
http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/special-offer-detail/index.aspx?id=1497

2 for 1 entry into the Negro League Baseball Hall of Fame.
http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/special-offer-detail/index.aspx?id=1397

Also free things to do (notice number 2, we'll be hitting that up too)
http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/free-attractions/index.aspx

I'm not sure but think KMack had something to do with this one:
http://www.visitkc.com/things-to-do/member-details/index.aspx?id=39596

Also the Jonas Bros are playing on July 29 @ the Sprint Center (hahahaha)

At the Starlight is Lyle Lovett – July 24.

At Grinders is Kevin Costner – July 25.

Worlds Staff ... I didn't see any mention of Worlds on this site. :eek:

(notice number 2, we'll be hitting that up too)
http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/free-attractions/index.aspx



Speaking of breweries, are there any restaurants Breweries you'd recommend Jackinkc? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to hit up Boulevards, but I'd also like to hit some smaller breweries that sever food and beer(maybe even half gallons to go?).

[QUOTE=jackinkc;1381872]Rosedale
Oklahoma Joes (My best BBQ is in the back of a Gas Station)-Just south of Rosedale about 2 lights away. Hands down one of if not the best BBQ in town. It was listed in Anthony Bourdain's 13 Place to Eat Before You Die....so you may wanna try it....(47th & Mission)
Rosedale BBQ on SW Blvd down the hill is pretty solid as well.
Quick's BBQ on 7th st. is hard to locate, (just across the bridge on the west on 7th st heading North 7th is also Rainbow as you go South) but well worth it. Gates, Quick, Bryant's

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Thanks that's the one. He said it was in a Gas Station.

yep, Oklahoma Joe's is the one Wyatt. I've been meaning to get there for several years. I will be making it during Worlds.

Regarding the breweries, make sure you call and make a reservation for the Boulevard tour. I know it's free, but you have to call ahead, FYI.

Regarding breweries that serve food, one that I really like is River Market Brewing Company (http://www.rivermarketbrews.com/)

If you decide to go to dinner there, maybe plan enough time to check out the Steamboat Arabia Museum (http://www.1856.com/) over in the same River Market Area. Super cool museum. The website tells all about it. Check it out.

river market closed Superbowl Sunday, and will be condo's soon.....I miss the place, not so much the beer, but the place...and mostly the staff.

You guys are making me hungry! I hope I find time to make it to the tournament! :)

river market closed Superbowl Sunday, and will be condo's soon.....I miss the place, not so much the beer, but the place...and mostly the staff.


Got any other recommendations then? I've looked up several on the net, but was hoping a local could tell me the top 1 or 2 to visit while there.

didn't know about River Market closing.....that sucks. Looks like the next place for me to try will be 75th Street (http://www.75thstreet.com/), unless you have something better to recommend there Jack..and/or....Chappy.

Thanks Guys, Please keep the dining options coming.

Also an family friendly attractions.
examples:

Tulsa the Zoo was in the same park as two of the courses
Milwaukee Down town and cheese. (did I say cheese) man the cheese was great.
Also October fest Friday night before finals that was great too.

Kalamazoo. It was so spread out we didn't have a lot of time. We made it to the Zoo in Battle creek I think(could have been Kalamazoo never did figure out where the dividing line was). There was a water park next to the hotel.

for KS BBQ and I have some Family in the Area. Cousins that I have only met once when we where Andrew's age 12-13 yrs old. and any thing you guys can sugguest.

Actually inside the host hotel is quite a bit of good food as well.
Crayola Cafe
Fritz' railroad restaurant (Train delivers your order, its pretty cool!)
D'Bronx (Get the bell street bomb)
Kabuki (Sushi)
American (GREAT VIEWS OF THE CITY)
Benton's Steak and Chop House
Peppercorn Duck Club (Hyatt Hotel, American)
Skies (Hyatt Hotel, American....The BEST VIEW OF THE CITY they say....it does revolve though a little $$$ more so than the American)


Then across the street is
Pierponts (Mixed American/seafood)
Lidia's (Italian)
Manny's (Mexican)
JackStack (BBQ)
The Cashew (More bar food, but good sandwiches)

Plus their own and at the Hyatt, you really shouldn't have to go far for food thats good to eat and close from the hotel, all within walking distance, or less than 5 minute drive.

Go figure-Mannys Mexican Food! :)
I've also seen a huge theme park driving north out of town. It's got fair type rides and a water park, I think? I hope I'm thinking of the right city? Some info on that would be sweet.

BBQ sounds good but with kids I need to find the nearest CC's Pizza

Hey Bill,
Is Skylar playing this year? I may have just missed his name.

Yeah, I'd definately recommend World of Fun (http://www.worldsoffun.com/) and/or Oceans of Fun (http://www.worldsoffun.com/public/inside_park/oof/rides.cfm). Definately a great destination for family fun. It's a little more than fair rides, it's a full blown amusement park, with awesome rollercoasters and everything. Both parks are next to each other, there's options to get tickets for both, or one or the other.

Nice recommendation on Lydia's Jack. We did my parent's surprise 40 anniversary dinner there a couple years ago. That place is really nice. I will second this recommendation.

Bill--mapquest this address, it's not too far from Waterworks.

CiCi's Pizza
816-452-3770
4900 N. Oak Trfy
Kansas City, MO 64118

I know where to eat, just look at me......
8^)

We aer working on a deal for the Jr divisions to go to Worlds Of Fun on Thursday after their rounds at P-Hill as well.

Tuesday is a talent show open to disc golfers with some cool prizes, limited to the top 20 people based on the entry, and then on Thursday we are working on a Mini-Pub crawl (mini disc golf at the bars) for about 6-10 places TBD.

here's a cool little site I found too, that has some printable coupons (http://www.visitkc.com/special-offers/weekly-coupons/index.aspx). Some worth mentioning are:

$8 off Worlds of Fun admission (use for up to 4 people, that's a $32 savings)
2 for 1 Royals tickets
2 for 1 Kansas City Zoo tickets
lots of dining savings too

Check it out.

I think this site gets updated pretty regularly, so if you don't see the ones I listed above, I apologize.

Bill ever time we eat at CiCi's we thinik about you and the boy's. and remember in tulsa the whole 10 and under diviison at CICI's the friday night before the finals.

See guys memories for a life time. This is the Greatest Event in the World.

Chris is my darkhorse pick for this years event. I am wondering if he will have one of the best caddies I have ever had the privledge of working with by his side?

It was great talking with you Wyatt and if you are a hick I want to be a hick when I grow up.

Looking Forward to seeing you guy's in KC
ROC ON

I know where to eat, just look at me......
8^)

We aer working on a deal for the Jr divisions to go to Worlds Of Fun on Thursday after their rounds at P-Hill as well.

Tuesday is a talent show open to disc golfers with some cool prizes, limited to the top 20 people based on the entry, and then on Thursday we are working on a Mini-Pub crawl (mini disc golf at the bars) for about 6-10 places TBD.

Thanks for your hard work for the Jr. Division. As the father of a Jr. I am Thankful for any and all you do for them. I think Bill and Manny will agree with me. ever Jr. we have seen at a world championship deserved to be there

they have all truely been the best in the world.

Manny, Sky is in a gray area and the decision is still up in the air.

Wyatt, the disc golf kids are the greatest in the world. I am sad there aren't any kids from Japan this year. It is unreal how a legend (Dave Jr) will be in the pool playing with the 10 & under kids like he has known them for years. Talk about memories, Last year when Brock and Andrew took turns caddying for Jr in the finals will always be embedded in our hearts. Brock carrying the bag up the hills and Andrew carrying it down.

Manny, Sky is in a gray area and the decision is still up in the air.

Wyatt, the disc golf kids are the greatest in the world. I am sad there aren't any kids from Japan this year. It is unreal how a legend (Dave Jr) will be in the pool playing with the 10 & under kids like he has known them for years. Talk about memories, Last year when Brock and Andrew took turns caddying for Jr in the finals will always be embedded in our hearts. Brock carrying the bag up the hills and Andrew carrying it down.

Wow, Good one Bill, Team Japan World Doubles that was truely the look and feel of a world championship, Those Kids where great I miss them as well.

Andrew worked that one out good. little Brock (KIDRoc) carry that big bag up the ski slope.

Good Times....

Right now we are actually working on the following for the Jr. Divisions-of course a fee will entail...but it shuold be easier on everyone this way. What we hope to have finalized next week is the following:

Bussing to and from the events Tues-Friday.

Powerplay entertainment package one day, go-carts, whirly ball, video games, food

Worlds of fun one day.

This would be probably an additional $100 for the week with all of the above, or $50 for just the bussing for the week. We are still trying to find alternate sources of funding to jostle that price down as of now though this looks like what it would be like. Nothing is set in stone yet though, so please don't read too much into it. I am also working on getting tickets to the Science City museum for all Jr. competitors that hopefully they can visit one day with their family (it is located across the street from the host hotel)

Will keep you posted on everything as it comes together.

Fast approaching, keep on signing up I really want to reach over 1000 people. I am greedy!

Right now we are actually working on the following for the Jr. Divisions-of course a fee will entail...but it shuold be easier on everyone this way. What we hope to have finalized next week is the following:

Bussing to and from the events Tues-Friday.

Powerplay entertainment package one day, go-carts, whirly ball, video games, food

Worlds of fun one day.

This would be probably an additional $100 for the week with all of the above, or $50 for just the bussing for the week. We are still trying to find alternate sources of funding to jostle that price down as of now though this looks like what it would be like. Nothing is set in stone yet though, so please don't read too much into it. I am also working on getting tickets to the Science City museum for all Jr. competitors that hopefully they can visit one day with their family (it is located across the street from the host hotel)

Will keep you posted on everything as it comes together.

Fast approaching, keep on signing up I really want to reach over 1000 people. I am greedy!

Thank you again. all this sounds great. Don't get upset if some of us don't take advanage of all the things going on. it's still a World Championship and practice and rest is as equally important as having a goods time.

Last year in Kalamazoo/Battle Creek there was a Score keeper for the Jr. Divisions Have you guys Consider that? It worked out real well.

I have some calls and notes into the local Kiwanis clubs for chaperoning purposes as well as score keepers, but I have not been given a solid enough committment from people yet to feel that is something that will happen. It is something that we are working with though for sure.

I have some calls and notes into the local Kiwanis clubs for chaperoning purposes as well as score keepers, but I have not been given a solid enough committment from people yet to feel that is something that will happen. It is something that we are working with though for sure.

I Figured you guys would be looking into it.

I think this has been ask but missed the answer maybe.

is the a list of Doubles teams if so where can I find it?

I have not seen the doubles list yet to date. I will try to find out where that information is listed. Once we have, I will post in the World's section.

I have not seen the doubles list yet to date. I will try to find out where that information is listed. Once we have, I will post in the World's section.

Thanks, the reason that I am concerned. I signed Andrew and David Jr. up for doubles. on Andrews entry form.

Andrew is 13 and under. David Jr. would be 16 and under if he was not playing Advanced.

so I need to Get them in Boys 16 and under doubles. there was no way to do that on the reg. form.

I have a question regarding doubles this year. My older son (17) is playing in <19 junior division at Worlds and wants to play doubles with a partner that is playing in the Advanced division, he is also under 19. Will this be allowed or does he have to play with someone also registered for the <19 division or younger?

I have a question regarding doubles this year. My older son (17) is playing in <19 junior division at Worlds and wants to play doubles with a partner that is playing in the Advanced division, he is also under 19. Will this be allowed or does he have to play with someone also registered for the <19 division or younger?


Manny.
Last year David Jr. played 19 and under but was 13 yr old he and andrew played 13 and under doubles.

as long as his partner meets the age limit. it's ok. in Tulsa andrew played up to 13 and under to partner with david. This year he will play up to 16 and under (just for Doubles only.)

for others info anything above 19 and under is mixed doubles only.

Thanks Wyatt, I'm just not sure if the parameters change because they're playing Advanced instead of Juniors or it doesn't matter. Maybe a response from the Worlds team or the PDGA could give us the official answer.

Thanks Wyatt, I'm just not sure if the parameters change because they're playing Advanced instead of Juniors or it doesn't matter. Maybe a response from the Worlds team or the PDGA could give us the official answer.

I agree, I hope some one can verify. the rule of thumb is Age protect class's are always protected if you meet the guide line your are in.

What is the forecast for RDU? From what I understand, the temp and humidity are brutal and amplified due to it's location. Are there alternatives if the temps/humidity during World's week are too high?
I know this sounds a bit whiney but I thought I'd ask anyway.

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go to CoolDaddySlickBreeze.com for more info.

Appropiate title for this thread, '2009 Worlds-Can you handle the heat?'
Sorry, I asked.

Plenty of water will be on the course. We will have a minimum of 60 gallons on every course, with 72 players, that is close to 1 gallon each person. Staying hydrated is imperative. Don't get drunk in the heat also imperative. Alcohol will dehydrate you faster than going right at Cliff Drive #12....

Both people have to be in the age guidelines to play, so an 18 yr old and 16 yr old could not play in the under 16 division, but can in the under 19 division.

Plenty of water will be on the course. We will have a minimum of 60 gallons on every course, with 72 players, that is close to 1 gallon each person. Staying hydrated is imperative. Don't get drunk in the heat also imperative. Alcohol will dehydrate you faster than going right at Cliff Drive #12....

My suggestion, bring an umbrella. It usually feels 10 - 15 degrees cooler in the shade and the sun is a headache generating machine when it is above 90.

My suggestion, bring an umbrella. It usually feels 10 - 15 degrees cooler in the shade and the sun is a headache generating machine when it is above 90.

I wonder if I can talk my wife into walking around behind me all day with an umbrella over me! :P

I have a friend of the family that writes for a publication as a food/restaurant reviewer. He's an attorney, and his food critiqueing is just his hobby, but he's pretty darn good at it. I asked him if he'd written anything about some of the barbecue places we've been discussing, and also generally asked if he knew of any places he'd recommend, not just along the barbecue lines. His reply was as follows:

Jay,

1. I have not formally reviewed any bbq joints; it's not within the purview of the "luxe" tenor of the publication I write for. That being said, I have eaten at most of the joints around town.

2. Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Kansas City barbecue. I prefer low-country bbq (i.e. Carolina bbq) and Texas dry-rubs.

3. In my opinion, there's really not a "best" bbq place in town. All of them are good, but I would say that each one has a strength. Here's how I would break it down:

Arthur Bryant's. This is the only bbq place I'd say is a "must," only because it is, arguably, the most famous of the Kansas City old-line BBQ places. The beef is what counts here. For the authentic experience, you must visit the original location at 17th and Brooklyn. (http://www.arthurbryantsbbq.com/)

Oklahoma Joe's. Arguably, my favorite of them all, though admittedly because it serves a mean pulled pork sandwich (Carolina cue). It's located in a gas station, so ambiance is key here (i'm not kidding, it's kind of cool).

Jack's Stack. This is tame bbq, in my opinion. It's an actual restaurant (as opposed to a counter) and probalby suited more for the corporate types. Their barbecue isn't bad, but I would steer you away from their burnt ends; they are not authentic. People rave about their "cheesy corn." If you like oozy, cheesy, corn pudding, you'll love this - it's the type of country fare that you want to slather across your face.

SmokestackEverything here is great, especially their ribs. (http://kcsmokestackbbq.com/)

LC's. This is NOT for the faint of heart. It only seats 50 or so customers in one of these most sparsely attended to restaurants I've ever seen. It's also not in the friendliest part of town. Thankfully, it's well-trafficked (often by the police, who seem to love their barbecue - I suspect the management gives them free food for sticking around) and going for lunch is ideal. This is the place to get burnt ends. These are actual burnt ends (the other restaurants just take chunks of meat and char it to look like burn ends). (http://www.lcsbar-b-que.nv.switchboard.com/)

Gates Bar B.Q. This is another oldie but goodie. It has its core followers. I'm not particularly so hot on Gates save their barbecued mutton. For those who like heartier flavors, that's the plate to order. Multiple locations. (http://www.gatesbbq.com/)

Lastly, for those not in search of BBQ, I offer the following restaurants:

The American Restaurant. This is a big-ticket item and is fine dining. Jackets aren't required, but they're highly encouraged. For those looking for fancier fare, I'd say Debbie Gold is turning out some of the best food I've had in Kansas City in years. (http://theamericankc.com/)

bluestem. Arguably my favorite restaurant in the city, it's not cheap (the dining room 3-course prix fixe begins at $60). But it's some of the more finessed food in town. I'd say it's up there with The American in terms of quality and creativity, though it will be much more casual. For a cheaper option, the bar offers a fantastic (FANTASTIC) happy hour menu from 5-7pm every weekday; every food item on the lounge menu is half off. It's the best deal in town. (http://www.kansascitymenus.com/bluestem/)

extra virgin. Not entirely Spanish, but for those who like Mediterranean and tapas, this is the place to go. The best time is between 4.30 and 6pm on weekdays when a third of their menu is half price. (http://www.extravirginkc.com/Home.html)

Lidia's. This is Northern Italian food. It's great. Beautiful interior and pretty fantastic food at a decent price. (http://www.lidias-kc.com/)

pizza bella. This is a really great little Neapolitan pizzeria. It's not the cheapest pizza you'll find, but it's some of the most authentically Neapolitan. (http://pizzabellakc.com/)

blanc burgers + bottles. Don't roll your eyes at the $12 gourmet burger until you've had one. These are fantastic (my favorite is actually the pulled pork burger; their meatloaf burger ain't bad either). They have fantastic floats (and beer floats) as well as "milkshakes" (they use frozen custard). It has one of the most extensive and ecclectic beer menus in the city (nearly 200 from around the world). Two locations. (http://blancburgers.com/)



Hope this helps!
B.

NOTE: Though Vegan Ray I am, it has not always been so, and I definitely know my 'cue. (Ask VTI or Vibram Open attendees.)

LC's crushes both Gates & Arthur Bryant's (beg for some outside bark of their smoked ham), but if you have to take the Food Network route, choose Arthur Bryant's & go for the dry ribs.

For veggie types, I would add:
Blue Koi Noodles & Dumplings (www.bluekoi.net): I strongly recommend this funky joint, particularly the eggplant pockets, dumplings with awesome sauce (yes, it is called "awesome sauce"), scallion biscuit, "Ants on a Tree", and "Tofu Fire Bird" (the last only if you like it spicy). Also has more-than-decent bubble tea.
The Corner Restaurant: Very funky, bohemian hole-in-the-wall joint. Breakfast all day with an awesome selection of vegan options. Their "loaded" hash browns rule.
Waldo Pizza (www.waldopizza.net): Choose from 4 crusts, 5 sauces, 11 cheeses (including vegan "mozzarella"), 20 meats/eggs, & 29 veggies (including several nuts). Soooo yummy; best 'za I've had west of the Mississippi. Also sandwiches & other stuff (but do not miss the pizza) & a decent beer selection with some local-ish offerings.

Serious Question ...

Do Vegan's eat cheese and/or yougurt? Yougurt contains actual living organisms and cheese is a byproduct of animals. Just curious.

Serious Question ...

Do Vegan's eat cheese and/or yougurt? Yougurt contains actual living organisms and cheese is a byproduct of animals. Just curious.
Folks following a strict vegan diet scrupulously avoid all animal products, including flesh (be it meat, fish, or fowl), dairy, eggs, & honey (and scores of other animal-derived ingredients & sub-ingredients).

I figure I'd try my hand in the mini disc golf tournament. Sounds like fun.
Does anyone know what kind of minis and baskets are used?
Are they the Wham-O baskets?

I figure I'd try my hand in the mini disc golf tournament. Sounds like fun.
Does anyone know what kind of minis and baskets are used?
Are they the Wham-O baskets?

In the past, (last 3 World's) it has been Metal DGA mini baskets.

find you some weighted mini Drivers. They work best.

In the past, (last 3 World's) it has been Metal DGA mini baskets.

find you some weighted mini Drivers. They work best.

Actually Wyatt, Last years mini competition was run by the Mini Disc Golf Federation, and they brought out their own custom made baskets. Remember, they were a little taller and had a bigger catching area than regular Innova Discatcher mini baskets. DGA only makes mini trophy baskets. I sure hope the mini competition will be run by the MDGF again. I really enjoyed playing the course they set up last year.

And as far as minis go, I think you could pretty much use any style of mini that is on the market today. The only exception, I believe, would be minis made of wood or metal. I also would definitely suggest getting you some of Innovas Mini Driver. They are the best for max distance, IMO.

Actually Wyatt, Last years mini competition was run by the Mini Disc Golf Federation, and they brought out their own custom made baskets. Remember, they were a little taller and had a bigger catching area than regular Innova Discatcher mini baskets. DGA only makes mini trophy baskets. I sure hope the mini competition will be run by the MDGF again. I really enjoyed playing the course they set up last year.

your right I remember now. Because until then I didn't know how big Mini Disc Golf was in some area's.

I hope andrew has a better chance this year. 3 time runner up in Mini Disc Golf.

Thanks much for the posts on BBQ and other eats. I am looking forward to returning to KC (I lived in Fairway from 1963-1972 and have many fond memories of Brush Creek as a youngster) and am starting to grin more and more about the Worlds. It's Christmas in July!

Does anyone know when information about Thornfield will be posted under the "Courses" section? Will we be able to practice it the week before the Worlds, and if so, when?

Thanks, DD

Does anyone know when information about Thornfield will be posted under the "Courses" section? Will we be able to practice it the week before the Worlds, and if so, when?

Thanks, DD

DD, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the course will be open for practice starting on Friday July 24th, but I can't seem to find official conformation of that, so take it fwiw.

In discgolfer mag it stated it would be open for play on July 24th, not from July 24th.

I am planning to sign up my daughter Nicole (SuperGirl) for Worlds. I am probably going to put her in the u16 girls division (since she is 13 years old). If the u19 girls division ends up having more players than to u16 girls division, can I move Nicole to the u19 division before Worlds starts? Or does she have to play in the junior division she signs up for?

Rick

If she turned 13 this year, she could play FJ3; otherwise FJ2. As accomodating as it seems the TD staff is being to Juniors, I wouldn't think that it would be a problem. You might go ahead and contact them now to let them know what you are considering, to see how much lead time they need.

I am planning to sign up my daughter Nicole (SuperGirl) for Worlds. I am probably going to put her in the u16 girls division (since she is 13 years old). If the u19 girls division ends up having more players than to u16 girls division, can I move Nicole to the u19 division before Worlds starts? Or does she have to play in the junior division she signs up for?

Rick


Glade to see Nicole (SuperGirl) is coming. I'm a big fan.

Manny, Nick, Andrew, half of David jr, half of chris

sorry that was the wrong one here is the Mini disc golf

That was taken in Milwaukee. soon after these three met. Great pictures, I've got a couple similar to these. Thanks for posting them!....Manny

The mini baskets have yet to be determined. We will be running the mini event in house with Dick Parker as the lead. Dick has been running mini tourney's over the last couple of years, and we feel confident that the course that we have in mind will be a great venue. As for the baskets.....I doubt that we hae 18 of IDENTICAL baskets, but we are working on it....so if its that important to have identical basket to you you may want to start being upset about it.

We know this is a good time for mini to enjoy, but our focus is not on the mini-worlds. We got a request from the Mini Disc Golf Federation, but it was pretty late notice for us to work with, and quite honestly I didn't want to put them out on traveling with their course, having them worry about setting up on an area that we look at every day, spending their time worrying about that instead of the World event instead. I feel that it is our job to put one on. I know that when I set up the mini in 2003, that no one was upset about the course at Rosedale, and I anticipate that we will have a fine mini venue to play as well. I have 2 baskets myself in my house, and play a course in the house.....at my birthday party at Cliff Drive we set up a mini course there as well of 18 holes, I think that you will find that we have a challenging course in mind, and we'll be ready to please the toughest competitor with the mini course on Sunday......just probably will not have 18 identical baskets. Who knows though, we have a few weeks to see what happens.

Thanks,

Jack

Last years mini course was sweet. I'm shure the KC layout will be great. On the jr side of it I have not seen Marc Burnnett's names anywhere. It would'nt seem right without him.

If playing the Mini DG tournament, does one need to bring their own discs or will they be provided?
Are there size requirements for the minis used?

BYOD, and they need to be of plastic material, preferably from a disc manufacturer that knows the dimensions....though I doubt that we will be weighing and measuring the diametrs of the mini's.....

BYOD, and they need to be of plastic material, preferably from a disc manufacturer that knows the dimensions....though I doubt that we will be weighing and measuring the diametrs of the mini's.....

I am going to insert some plutonium to the center of my minis so they go farther.

Glade to see Nicole (SuperGirl) is coming. I'm a big fan.

Thanks. Your son Andrew is amazing and should be the favorite to win worlds again this year.

Rick

BYOD, and they need to be of plastic material, preferably from a disc manufacturer that knows the dimensions....though I doubt that we will be weighing and measuring the diametrs of the mini's.....

Are we talking 4.25" or 3.75" minis? I want to make sure I get the correct ones.

Are we talking 4.25" or 3.75" minis? I want to make sure I get the correct ones.
size doesn't matter ... it's all in how you throw it

Last years mini course was sweet. I'm shure the KC layout will be great. On the jr side of it I have not seen Marc Burnnett's names anywhere. It would'nt seem right without him.
I know what you mean Paparoc. He is the one person you count on being there every year.

Thanks. Your son Andrew is amazing and should be the favorite to win worlds again this year.

Rick

Thank you Rick I will pass your comments on to Andrew.

I had heard and read about Nicole for sometime. I watched her when I was helping with the skill shoot event in Milwaukee Let me just say everthing I had heard and read was true. she is unbelievable.

Does this mean that 'MiniThumber' Dawn Geist or Korina Carlos will have some competition this year? Winning is nice, but it means more if you can beat somebody and not play in a solo division. Counting down the days 'til World and re-uniting with friends from around the globe, although it is a shame that little Dai isn't making the trip this year, he was so much fun to watch:o. I know that Shaun is disappointed, Dai was one of the few competitors that wasn't taller than he. A perennial mainstay at Worlds, no Burnett either. It must be one of the signs of the apocalypse...Wyatt, Manny, and the many others we have yet meet, see ya in KC!

Does this mean that 'MiniThumber' Dawn Geist or Korina Carlos will have some competition this year? Winning is nice, but it means more if you can beat somebody and not play in a solo division. Counting down the days 'til World and re-uniting with friends from around the globe, although it is a shame that little Dai isn't making the trip this year, he was so much fun to watch:o. I know that Shaun is disappointed, Dai was one of the few competitors that wasn't taller than he. A perennial mainstay at Worlds, no Burnett either. It must be one of the signs of the apocalypse...Wyatt, Manny, and the many others we have yet meet, see ya in KC!

A sign of the Apocalypse. Man that is a good one. but could be true. Andrew first played with mark in Tulsa 06. I think that was Burnett's third world's So I know he has attended at least 5 world championships maybe more.

Andrew has ask me several times if Dai was signed up. he will be missed.

Dai is awesome and how about his mother. Several times last year I spotted her carrying his huge Innova bag in the hot sun.

Mark and Brock made a great team in Milwaukee. Probably my all time most rememberable day in disc golf. Andrew hit every put within 80 ft the 1st round and Jr was just Jr. Every time I would turn around the Japan team was trying to give us something. When I would give them a return gift they would give me something even better.

I tried calling Larry Burnetts cell phone number, but it isn't working these days. I know Marc played the DGLO tourney a couple of weeks ago, so I'm hoping he's able to make it out. And I do agree, Dai was cool. He's the strong silent type, I guess. Nick tried talking to him several times, even a couple of times in Japanese! As you can imagine, that didn't go too well! It was funny as all get up watching it though! I hope he makes it this year!

You all are too funny!

I imagine i'll be a disc golf dad too one day down the road, I'm sure its a blast watching your son or daughter compete at worlds. Keep up the talk, atleast someone is excited about worlds this year!

I'm making a stop in KC next Wed/Thurs to check-out the courses. ...never been to KC before. I'm playing Adv Masters. According to the latest schedule I'm playing 2 rounds at Swope, so I'm definitely going to checkout that course.

My other options are: Rosedale "Down Under", Rosedale "Top", Prairie Center, and Cliff Drive.

Cliff Drive looks like it can be a challenge if you don't know where the baskets are located, so I'm probably going to play it too.

Cliff Drive looks like it can be a challenge if you don't know where the baskets are located, so I'm probably going to play it too.

I know where the baskets are, and its still a challenge!! I shot a 51 at league 2 weeks ago, same pins this week shot a 64.....

I was just reading through the latest issue of the new mag, and something caught my eye. In the preview of the KC Worlds section, it says something to the effect of us having to pay $15 a piece to get into the players party/awards banquet. Is this the case or am I just reading this wrong?

You all are too funny!

I imagine i'll be a disc golf dad too one day down the road, I'm sure its a blast watching your son or daughter compete at worlds. Keep up the talk, atleast someone is excited about worlds this year!

It is a great deal of fun watching our young 'uns throwing frisbees at metal chainy barbeque grills. And you being from NC, your almost guaranteed to have a young 'un that can throw a country mile, and make 50 foot putts consistently. I've heard that if you eat 2 pounds of collard greens every day, it helps! ;)

It is a great deal of fun watching our young 'uns throwing frisbees at metal chainy barbeque grills. And you being from NC, your almost guaranteed to have a young 'un that can throw a country mile, and make 50 foot putts consistently. I've heard that if you eat 2 pounds of collard greens every day, it helps! ;)


Manny, Trey (Capt. team UNC-G) is one of our up and coming Disc Golfers. I will introduces the two of you. he is planning on coming out to watch for a few days.

Andrew and I are proud to be the unoffical coaches of Team UNC-G

Does this mean that 'MiniThumber' Dawn Geist or Korina Carlos will have some competition this year?

It's funny you mention 2 girls that aren't signed up, but leave out the 2 that have been signed up for months. :(

Hoping to change the wording on all the tee signs I sponsor after Aug 2nd. :)

This will be Lorelei's first time playing singles, but her 4th time playing Worlds.

Still the youngest ever PRO competitor in Worlds history, and hopefully she will have fun playing, and MOM will survive being her caddy in 100 degree heat.

See everyone in a month!

Keith

I was just reading through the latest issue of the new mag, and something caught my eye. In the preview of the KC Worlds section, it says something to the effect of us having to pay $15 a piece to get into the players party/awards banquet. Is this the case or am I just reading this wrong?

The player's banquet and Hall of Fame awards at Worlds have typically been held at a hotel with a $30-$40 price tag and a rubber chicken dinner. We're trying something a little different, hoping to get more people there with a lower price tag, with more choices for food (Grinders has great sandwiches and salads, as well as pizza and yes, grinders sandwiches). Stay and watch the band Cowboy Mouth afterwards at Grinders. Should be a great time!

In discgolfer mag it stated it would be open for play on July 24th, not from July 24th.

Thornfield will be open for practice BEGINNING July 24th, perhaps a day or two earlier.

Chap

It's funny you mention 2 girls that aren't signed up, but leave out the 2 that have been signed up for months. :(

Hoping to change the wording on all the tee signs I sponsor after Aug 2nd. :)

This will be Lorelei's first time playing singles, but her 4th time playing Worlds.

Still the youngest ever PRO competitor in Worlds history, and hopefully she will have fun playing, and MOM will survive being her caddy in 100 degree heat.

See everyone in a month!

Keith

I think he was more referring to the 2 girls, who have previously won World Championship titles in single person fields, actually having someone to play against for this years title. Proof positive that the sport is growing!!! I'm so glad to see that Lorelei will be playing Worlds this year. We still have the disc of her sitting on Santas lap, hanging on the wall! I look forward to seeing how much she's grown! See you and the family next month!

Manny, Trey (Capt. team UNC-G) is one of our up and coming Disc Golfers. I will introduces the two of you. he is planning on coming out to watch for a few days.

Andrew and I are proud to be the unoffical coaches of Team UNC-G

Trey, your coming all the way up from NC to watch? Man, get yourself signed up so you can throw frisbees with us in KC. Your from NC so automatically you have a better than 80% chance of winning! It should be fun! If not than I'll just meet you there. And UNC-G???

The player's banquet and Hall of Fame awards at Worlds have typically been held at a hotel with a $30-$40 price tag and a rubber chicken dinner. We're trying something a little different, hoping to get more people there with a lower price tag, with more choices for food (Grinders has great sandwiches and salads, as well as pizza and yes, grinders sandwiches). Stay and watch the band Cowboy Mouth afterwards at Grinders. Should be a great time!

Hey Chap,
I'm all about trying something different. Sounds like a good plan. Now does the price include dinner? And what kinds of activities will you offer for the younger crowd? A little more info on Cowboy Mouth would be cool too! And can someone please tell me what a grinder is?

I think he was more referring to the 2 girls, who have previously won World Championship titles in single person fields, actually having someone to play against for this years title. Proof positive that the sport is growing!!! I'm so glad to see that Lorelei will be playing Worlds this year. We still have the disc of her sitting on Santas lap, hanging on the wall! I look forward to seeing how much she's grown! See you and the family next month!


I knew what he was saying but they can't win or defend, if they aren't even signed up.
That's what happened with Lorelei last year. She could have had a 50/50 chance to win, but School was more important. This year being in July gives her the opportunity to be there, which gives her at least a chance. If the other 2 don't sign up they won't have a chance this year. :)

Lorelei is taller than momma now, and you will hopefully get to see here somewhere around when we are there. We're doing the dinner thing, players meeting and flymart, so hopefully we will see you and the boys there.

By the way, a grinder is another name for a sub. Sorta how pop or soda means a Pepsi in the midwest.

See you next month,
Keith

I was just reading through the latest issue of the new mag, and something caught my eye. In the preview of the KC Worlds section, it says something to the effect of us having to pay $15 a piece to get into the players party/awards banquet. Is this the case or am I just reading this wrong?

That is correct, its the players meeting/banquet that has been normally charged $40 or so over the last few years ($30 I think in 2003, I think it $50 last year). We decided against it this year, and hope that we can bring in more people to enjoy this part of the World's that has seen attandance diminish. Comprise that with the fact it will be Friday and you know if your playing saturday (700 of us will not be) you can unwind and make it a great night of festive and memory sharing experiences. These are when lifetime friendships tend to come about, or can get started....Why we also moved it Friday instead of Thursday.

The details will be ironed out this week, but it basically will get you into the party (venue) and the show; PDGA Awards, Hall Of Fame introductions, and disc golf festvitities and the music(Cowboy Mouth) as well as a certificate for food/drink your choice. The venue, Grinder's, will be charging $20 at the door that night, with no certificate, so yeah its a great deal folks, and will be well worth it. It should be pretty much a wash hopefully on the certificate (I am hoping that its $10 coupon towards food (all types BTW) or drink).

You'll love it. If you don't drink, you can get food with the coupon as well, so we felt that it was fair for everyone. People of all ages will be allowed in, that was in consideration with the venue when we decided it. It is a great stage place as well, Reverend Horton Heat plays there the Friday before Worlds if you really want to start the week off right!! http://grinderspizza.com/index.php?/events/

Great food BTW. A grinder is a meat filled sandwich where they grind out the inside and fill it with sausage or meatballs typically. www.grinderspizza.com They had the Bengal Tiger Pizza on the Food network, everytime it shows, they sell close to 100 pizzas still....

Wiki Cowboy Mouth for more on thier music.

Looks like there is only room for about 7 more players combined in these 2 divisions. Get that reggie in fast players!
Where's Hossfeld?

Hey Jack will we be able to get tickets/certificate/whatever for the Grinder's gig Friday if we didn't pay for that when we registered for the event?

My wife paid my tournament entry for my birthday, and didn't get me in any side events or that.....please advise. thanks!!!!!!!!!

not day of, when you register you can pay at that point. Day of will stick you with the $20 probably....but we are working on that before hand if you don't plan on attending the concert. But nothing or no one seems to want to do anything for free.....sooo.....I would be prepared to pay the $20 day of without any freebies.....suggestion, buy in advance...

Looks like there is only room for about 7 more players combined in these 2 divisions. Get that reggie in fast players!
Where's Hossfeld?

52 GM plus 13 SGM = 65 spots, only 7 more to get the full 72. Also, where is Mark Ellis? Johnny Sias? J Gary? Alan Beaver? Bart Zandstra? Neal Dambra? Michael Gates? Capn Snap? Danny Jefferds? Steve Bremer? Gary Burdick?

All of those Pro GM and SGM won money in last years WDGC.

As of 6/29/09:

MPO = 62 registered = 43.1% of total available spots
MPM = 50 registered = 40.3% of total available spots
FPO = 13 registered = 25.0% of total available spots
FPM/FPG = 16 registered = 80.0% of total available spots
MPG/MPS = 65 registered = 90.3% of total available spots

Excluding Legends, if all Pro Spots fill, the MPO players will comprise 144/412 of the field, or 35.0%. Right now the MPO players comprise 62/206 registered players, or 30.1%

2008 WDGC had 36 MPG in the results (35 if you remove Sylvia Voakes); this year it has at least 52.

Anyone else see aging demographics in the Pro ranks?

I know Johnny didn't like the idea of playing five different courses out of six prelim rounds. Perhaps some of the other veterans of Worlds you mentioned also feel that way?

I know Johnny didn't like the idea of playing five different courses out of six prelim rounds. Perhaps some of the other veterans of Worlds you mentioned also feel that way?


So Johnny asked you to publicize his reservations or is this just your opinion in the name of somebody else? Just trying to interpret, as it came off like the latter.

I'll be nice.....its based on the numbers of our sport growing and trying to accomodate all the players that forced this schedule to play that many courses. On a positive note that does mean that winning the championships this year means that your entire game was tested, and not limited to the select few courses that you know. Advantages and disadvantages all around, I can see, but overall getting to play 5 courses is tough, though many of our courses have been in national tours and world championships over the last 25 years (10 for worlds, NT's since there was one, heck before, we have been a SUPER TOUR city since before the NT) so nothing is that new in some respects, but in other respects, I can understand why some people don't like it. The overall winners though will have proved the toughness to be crowned WORLD CHAMP, not Course champ for the week.

But that is my opinion, and of course is likely to be met with yea's and nay's. If you don't like it however, I ask that you run a combined worlds and see what your plan ends up being, and if you could make it happen on 8 course in 4 days. without exhausting your staff, and the players themselves......4 rounds/day on staff......yeah they'd be happy to volunteer dontcha think? Tee times at 7, 10:30, 2:00, and 5:30, finishing at 9:00pm, your vendor's would love you for flymart, and glad people get to enjoy anything else in the city.....staff @ course from 6am-10pm daily...they'd love you and be waiting in droves.....(sarcasm notes please, its tough to get people to help already!)

You know it is what it is. You get a bunch of good solid courses, some of which you have been playing for the last 25 years steadily in your Kansas City diet, and now you get some new courses that we are just as proud of, that deserve some respect and time. Hopefully you will find that the new courses will enamor your disc golf delight so much that when you come back instead you are upset that the new course you had fun with is not part of the event you came to town to play.

Does it suck, no. Its simply a reality that our sport is growing, and that we chose to accomodate as many players as we could. With over 725 people registered, and about 3 weeks to go, we will probably hit over 900 again in the combined worlds. This is history, and part of the reason why it is important to enjoy it now, because in the future (2012) we see a combined team taking on this task, but where will they draw the line in the sand for players? really can't do much more unless you add more courses, and more VOLUNTEER STAFF! AS it stands we have a staff that is hard at work to make this event for you great, and to ask for more people to take time away from families, jobs, and do it as a volunteer in these tough economic times, well its hard folks.

The days of having a few people make these events is over. This has been planned since 2004 and though the courses may have chenged, the numbers really haven't of courses being used. To accomodate disc golf, a dang good time, memories and most importantly, not to be so wiped out on 5 days, we went this way.

Those that choose to miss it, are the only losers. Its going to be a great week of golf. It is going to be a challenging week of golf, most importantly its gonna be fun. We hope to bring FUN back to disc golf camp for the majority of people that are playing, and the few Winners, well......they'll know they did a heck of a job on some great courses, and that their game was truly world class on world class courses. Disc Golf Camp, where the 900 people playing in World's go, and the rest of us are Champions. Learn your lessons from those Champs!!

Man I am excited, even if I don't get to play! I can't wait to have you all here, good bad, indifferent, we are excited

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Thanks a bunch, no really I appreciate it!!. I meant when you check in at the .........registration table........glad to help you out. Hope you have a good time.

BTW, your name is not coming up on the Hotel list, are you sure that you are staying at the Westin and not at the Hyatt?

BTW
FWIW
4 weeks to go:

Am field 72% full (514 of 712 spots)
Pro field 52% full (214 of 412 spots)

Don't delay, you really want to miss this event? Tell a friend then, and come watch.....

Any picks on the open divisions.

Any picks on the open divisions.
EMAC & Des

In the announcements thread: Schedule 4.3 will be coming down the pike soon

The "Schedule By Course" document posted on the Worlds site says "v 4.2 (5/18/09)"

Is the 4.3 schedule going to be out soon? TIA.

The "Schedule by Pool" also doesn't have the key indicating which divisions are in what pool. You have to switch back to the "Schedule by Course" to see that.

I'm assuming that pools will be determined by rating? Is this correct?

Thanks in advance!

What are the day time high's like in KC for that last week of July?

I played a one day, two round tournament, Saturday in Kyle, Tejas. 104 and I folded like a towel the second round. While hydration and acclamation are keys, any history of 100+ in KC?

Thanks

What are the day time high's like in KC for that last week of July?

I played a one day, two round tournament, Saturday in Kyle, Tejas. 104 and I folded like a towel the second round. While hydration and acclamation are keys, any history of 100+ in KC?

Thanks

Although South Texas does have higher temps on average than KC, there is a chance that temps will be in the high 90's or 100's in late July.

Per weather.com (http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/monthly/USMO0460?month=1) here are the historical averages.
High: 91
Low: 72
Record High: 109
Record Low: 52

I'm also betting you can count on high humidity levels (just like Texas) to push the heat index even higher.

plan for weather in excess of 100, hence why we didn't want people playing 5 days before semi/finals, they'd be wiped. Expect the heat.

The schedule posted is pretty firm, I don't believe that any changes will be forthcoming from it, so I would use it as your guide right now.

Get the Excel file for better viewing pool/course review.

Hope it helps!

Jack

At first, I wasn't too thrilled with the MPGs having an 8AM tee time for all three days of the prelims where there are tee times shown (tee times for BV not yet posted). I was hoping to use some of my vacation time to sleep in a little.

But, after going out for a practice round on Sunday afternoon here in DFW, and prudently stopping after 10 holes because not only was the heat getting to me (when you are out by yourself, you don't get the resting times you normally would when you are with a group), but also because I recalled reading about a death, presumably due to the heat, at Z Boaz in Ft Worth the previous weekend, I welcome the coolness of the morning rounds, as well as having 12 noon being the latest tee off time.

I hate to make accomodations to age, but I am starting to, and I thank the WDGC for doing so as well. That being said, thank you for not limiting the MPGs to just one round per day.

MannyD said:

"And you being from NC, your almost guaranteed to have a young 'un that can throw a country mile, and make 50 foot putts consistently. I've heard that if you eat 2 pounds of collard greens every day, it helps! "


Sho nuf Manny, collard greens is real good. Lots of good southern iron fer strong thowin'. Round these parts they say a plate full o greens is bound to add 10 feet to yer toss

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Inside joke! Being that his son has a few World Distance Records and my son has a few, I once asked David Sr. what it was that was making young David throw so far, and he answered collard greens by the handful, sorta like spinach and Popeye. Now my son is on a strict diet of collard greens and milk! He just adds the milk to his collard greens and eats it like oat meal! ;)

What's really sad is the fact that I would have to eat 5 plates full just to throw 300 feet!

Me too :-) Maybe it doesn't work work so well with old men.

Who are you calling old? I'm only 38, but I feel old, so I guess that qualifies! :(

Who are you calling old? I'm only 38, but I feel old, so I guess that qualifies! :(
Manny, I like to say I'm old at 46 because I prefer that excuse to the more likely one that I try to avoid admitting which is that I just might be incompetent. I was just trying to cover for you man ;-)

Manny, I like to say I'm old at 46 because I prefer that excuse to the more likely one that I try to avoid admitting which is that I just might be incompetent. I was just trying to cover for you man ;-)

now, now boys, I have David Sr. by one year. I don't want to talk about the young-one of the group.

I think the collard greens would help me. but ever time my mother-in-law sends us some Andrew eats them all.

WHOOHOOO JULY IS FINALLY HERE, it's getting close now!!!! I can't wait for this experience!

Hey Jack,

I will send this to you via email if you don't reply here.

I just had a thought about Blue Valley. The schedule shows that all groups will be assigned tee times. Does that mean that the course will only be open for play, on tournament days, after the last card of the day has been turned in?

I mention this because if the course was open for practice in the morning before the first round, and between rounds, that would give an advantage to the first cards of each group, since they could have just finished getting warmed up and were ready to go, and the cards that tee off last would have no such opportunity.

There may be a practice basket available for putting, but is there an available area near the first tee that could be used for driving warmups?

Tee times are useful and fair in ball golf, because you have the opportunity to warm up on a driving range or practice green before the round starts, but we usually don't have a driving range type area available to use to warm up in disc golf.

This is not meant as a criticism, just a comment and question. I am greatly looking forward to the course. Looking at the pictures reminded me of Pickard Park in Indianola that I played in the 2004 WDGC, and that was a blast.

TIA,

I'm sure Jack will answer that question for you, but I do believe that there is a second 9 hole (shorter) rec-friendly course at Blue Valley that would more than likely serve well as the "warm-up" area.

Being from the DSM area, I can attest that BV has some similar qualities to Pickard. Pickard is still a better balanced course though, IMHO.

Is there any good collard greens places in KC? I like big chunks of ham in mine.

does anybody know...

To play in jr. doubles, do you have to be a PDGA member?

Is there any good collard greens places in KC? I like big chunks of ham in mine.

I think you better stick with CC's there Bill. Not sure, but if they do, it's probably in a less than favorable neighborhood, maybe over by Cliff Drive, lol.

does anybody know...

To play in jr. doubles, do you have to be a PDGA member?




YES, its the PDGA WORLDS.

I'm sure Jack will answer that question for you, but I do believe that there is a second 18 hole (shorter) rec-friendly course at Blue Valley that would more than likely serve well as the "warm-up" area.

Being from the DSM area, I can attest that BV has some similar qualities to Pickard. Pickard is still a better balanced course though, IMHO.

But not as nice. Blue Valley ROC's! But there are some difference of opines and there shall be for quiet some time.....

There is a 9 hole course in the park as well where you can warm up, there will be a practice basket not by #1, but close enough to work and not distract.

With tee times as early as 7 am a possibility, the first card is more than welcomed to go to the course early, but the rest of the human existence can practice on the executive course.

Except on the Finals Saturday. That day the executive course will be closed, but holes 11-18 would be open to warm up on.

Would I be correct in assuming that the Jr. divisions will be playing their final 9s on this executive course at Blue Vally. And will ALL Jr. divisions be playing a complete final 9?

The reason I ask, last year we had a division of 5 junior boys <10 and 2 had qualified to play in the final 9, but when we got to the course and started playing, after 2 holes they informed us that they would only be playing 2 final holes. Their reasoning was that the boys would take too long, (although the next group didn't even tee off for 20 minutes after we finished) and that there was no way for the second place boy to catch up with the boy in first, possibly not allowing for the boy in 2nd to make a huge comeback, and on that course it was very possible. I also feel that it's a very important part of the whole Worlds experience to play the Final 9 and to have the winners name announced, allowing for cheers and high 5s. That was very, very cheesy. Please tell me that won't be the case this year.

The reason I ask, last year we had a division of 5 junior boys <10 and 2 had qualified to play in the final 9, but when we got to the course and started playing, after 2 holes they informed us that they would only be playing 2 final holes. Their reasoning was that the boys would take too long, (although the next group didn't even tee off for 20 minutes after we finished) and that there was no way for the second place boy to catch up with the boy in first, possibly not allowing for the boy in 2nd to make a huge comeback, and on that course it was very possible. I also feel that it's a very important part of the whole Worlds experience to play the Final 9 and to have the winners name announced, allowing for cheers and high 5s. That was very, very cheesy. Please tell me that won't be the case this year.

Thanks Manny, I didn't want to say anything the final nine bumed me out as well. every year a big deal was made. announcing the play by name and state. leader boards the hole nine yard. except for last year.

they may only be Jr players, but they deserve the respect and honor given to the higher divisions. after all they are playing for a world championship aswell.

I don't want to start a debate. This is just my personal view, but at times I feel that Jr world titles are not taken as serious as adult world titles. And I don't know why.

What the TD sometimes forget.

It means more to the Jr players. It makes them feel like the big Guys You know the PRO's that they look up to. please keep in mind The Jr players are the future of our sport. and from what I have seen at three World Championships is The future of our sport is Bright if we keep incouraging the young players.

Then final 9 was awesome in Milwaukee. They had a scorer with a big score board , anounced the names and we had had a small galley. Last year was a major downer when they let us know it was only going to be 2 holes. Then we had to kill about 8 hours for the awards. It made for a long gruling day.

I just signed up Nicole (SuperGirl) for the U16 girls division at worlds. Hopefully more girls will sign up. If no other girls signup for worlds, I will probably move Nicole to the U19 girls division since the girl currently signed up for U19 has a higher rating than the girl currently signed up for the U16 division.

Rick

I agree about the final 9 in Milwaukee. My wife made it to the finals and I caddied. They announced each player as they came to the first tee and carried around the leaderboard sign for their division. Very classy and the ladies loved it. She also made the final 9 in Michigan, but they just sent them off by themselves, no announcements, no sign, no fanfare whatsoever. Very disappointing. She's not going this year (not because of that), but I am hoping to make the final 9 this year and would love to see the kind of fanfare they had in Milwaukee

It's an argument for having separate Am and Pro Worlds. When combined, some Jr divisions will likely take more of a back seat due to the sheer number of semis and finals that have to be pushed thru on that day, especially small divisions where the current positions have no chance to change during finals. Not so much discrimination but practicality.

It's an argument for having separate Am and Pro Worlds. When combined, some Jr divisions will likely take more of a back seat due to the sheer number of semis and finals that have to be pushed thru on that day, especially small divisions where the current positions have no chance to change during finals. Not so much discrimination but practicality.

That another reason I don't like Combined Worlds, the other is Doubles are played on Saturday before every thing starts up. longer hotlel stay, and more days of a rental car.

Can anyone provide details on what divisions are playing doubles for a World Championship on Saturday? I see it at Swope at 9am, but no other details at the website or here. Sorry if I missed it.

I'm assuming that pools will be determined by rating? Is this correct?

Thanks in advance!

You assume incorrectly.

Open pools will be determined by round 1 play, as it's all on tee times.

Advanced and Advanced Masters has never been sorted by rating for Worlds.

Masters probably won't be sorted by ratings, either. Actually, we don't even have enough for 2 pools of Masters yet.

Chap

Can anyone provide details on what divisions are playing doubles for a World Championship on Saturday? I see it at Swope at 9am, but no other details at the website or here. Sorry if I missed it.

PDGA has that information, I'll see if I can get Gentry to post it, as I don't have access to it.

As far as format goes, the format will be one round of best shot, followed by one round of alternate shot. All at Swope, unless the size of the field pushes us onto another course as well. We'll let people know in advance....but I don't expect that to happen.

Chap

Is there a metro area view map of all of the courses we are playing? Something on google maps or I can use as a reference?

Still haven't signed up as I am torn between going or not. On the 1st hand I would like to boycott the event since it has such a bad return on investment and doubling your $225 entry is nearly impossible unless you are in the top 20. Most B-tiers pay better comparitivly with the chance of doubling or tripling your entry being much easier. Whebn I go to a Local B-tier I expect to walk out with around $250 ($70 entry or so) yet at worlds getting that kind of return is very unlikely especially when the top 40 is all 1000 rated players. This is more of a pDGA thing IMO than the tournament organizers and the super-flat payout doesn't fit my liking either as many times the cash per stroke is only $5-$10 meaning someone 5 spots behind you may only make $50-$60 less.

Ok enough of that because if I do go it will be all because of the two guys who are helping to put it on and my wanting to show my personal support for all the effort they put into it. Anyway at this point I will have to eiter pay $500 in entries for Worlds and USDGC plus hotel in the next few days or just choose between one or the other.

If all goes well I might win this weekend and be able to swing both tournaments but as of right now the best investment seems to be USDGC especially since I have been unable to go the past few years.

http://www.pdga.com/documents/2009-worlds-map-of-kansas-city

Kid,

If your main motivation to go to a tournament is to win money, especially one where you will be spending almost a week of your time, I would advise you not to go, especially if you have already been to a WDGC. If you haven't been to a WDGC, I would advise you go, because you may find that your motivation may change.

Kid,

If your main motivation to go to a tournament is to win money, especially one where you will be spending almost a week of your time, I would advise you not to go, especially if you have already been to a WDGC. If you haven't been to a WDGC, I would advise you go, because you may find that your motivation may change.

Well when you are a broke college kid the motivation isn't really tio win money but to try and get by. Going to an event which costs $225 to enter and pays less than $300 to somone who finished halfway up in the cash just seems like a ripoff to me when most B-tiers would pay that same guy double his entry.

I made over $1000 in merch at 2 years of AM worlds paying less than $200 in entries total and then made $560 in 2 years of Pro worlds with the entries totalling nearly $500.

So I made $800 at Am worlds and $100 at Pro Worlds..............................sure makes me wish I was a 1000 rated AM right now.

My beef is really that Worlds should be our premier event yet the Title for that is really USDGC because the bar has never been alowed to be raised at worlds. Supposedly they tried to do it in Iowa but the PDGA did not want to raise future expectations so the purse was not as large as it could have been.

Worlds is not about the money which is why I have gone the past 2 years. It is about seeing everyone youi may have not seen in quite some time and just having fun but it would also be nice if it payed on the same scale as most B-tiers. Also the $1 per entry thing would help the payout (like Southern Nationals does) and maybe be more of a draw to many players.

Many of the top guys want to see the entry raised so that they can break even yet I doubt most people would pay $500 if they are playing for the same flat payouts. I would be a lot happier paying $50 and getting $100 back than paying $225 (base entry) and getting $299.

The payout curve isn't any flatter than any other event that has 25% added cash. The same pro table and curve have been used for Pro Worlds as is used for other events. If you make back double your money for ending back a certain percentage at a B-tier that has added 25%, you'll double your money at Worlds for the same relative percentage back in the field. It's just that the percentage added cash can be higher at some B and A tiers so the payout appears better.

Ok well then how do some C-tiers do it with no added cash? Oh wait those TDs adjust the Payout scale to make the top places woth something unlike the PDGa scale.

Hey Chuck, maybe it is time for a change? I mean worlds has had lame payout for as long as I can remember. Maybe the $1 thing would work? Doesn't the PDGA already take $3-$5 per entry for thier own "fees" that we never never get to see? Why not put it towards making our "Worlds" event better than everything else? PLayers like me would pay $25+ pwer year but we would also have a shot of making more back while those that only play 1-2 events put in little cash.

Maybe it is a Texas thing but pretty much everyone I have talked to (AM and Pro) wonders why the PDGA hasn't already done something to help elevate the event to a level worthy of the name. $1 per entry would mean $125,000+ in added cash .................................................. .same principal led to a C-tier with $2500 for 1st and nearly $1000 for 4th and brought a full field of 144 Pros and 75 Open players. Maybe they are on to something?????????????

Two things, members have voted in the past that they want Worlds to be have more of a convention versus competition feel. So, there's probably little support among all members to kick in a $1 or more tax like you propose for top level payouts. Second, there still isn't a viable economic model so few groups want to host Pro Worlds. Sponsors outside the sport especially providing cash at the national level are still hard to come by. The PDGA already spends over $20,000 in time, effort and actual cash to help run the Pro Worlds. It only makes sense that higher percentages of added cash will occur locally before nationally which is what you're seeing.

What time will play wrap up on Saturday? Are you required to stick around for your payout or can you depart without and get some sort of voucher? I am trying to plan my travel for Saturday and Sunday.

members have voted in the past that they want Worlds to be have more of a convention versus competition feel.

I'm curious as to when this vote happened exactly.

A more formal survey for all members was done around 2001. However, the attendees to Worlds have been surveyed every year since around 2004 using Survey Monkey and that sentiment continues regarding the Worlds being just as much convention as competition. And we are talking about pros, not just ams with these opinions. Half of the attendees are now at least 40.

This surprises me. It could be that I'm just the father (and Caddy) of a Jr. player.

We attend the players meeting and the fly mart.

other than that Andrew is there to compete and win. What free time we have we try to something as a family. for Andrew it's Bussiness. for my wife (Sherry) it's one of the few vacation she gets.

I can understand the host club trying to arrange fun things for everone. But in past three World Championships there has not been a lot of free time. Playing the touranment, pratice rounds, seems to take up most the week.

I know my motivation for going to Worlds has nothing to do with payout, and everything to do with having fun. I love to see the other players at worlds and love to be around all that disc golf excitement. This will be my 3rd straight year at worlds and my 3rd year of attending, while having been playing for 33 years. Couldnt believe what I'd been missing all those years. Looking forward to seeing everybody again in KC!!

Go Advanced Grandmasters!!!

A more formal survey for all members was done around 2001. However, the attendees to Worlds have been surveyed every year since around 2004 using Survey Monkey and that sentiment continues regarding the Worlds being just as much convention as competition. And we are talking about pros, not just ams with these opinions. Half of the attendees are now at least 40.

There has been a few online voting surveys over the past few years on rules, tech standards etc, that are effecting the way the game will be played.
I haven't heard from anyone that took a survey at worlds, was it a hard copy or one you went on line for?

One of the tech standard surveys was taken by about 12% of the membership and I'm thinking many were not those who would attend a world championships and specifically NOT TOP pro's, as they usually aren't in front of computers, they are playing, practicing and traveling. (it would be informative to see the average player rating/years played,,from those who took these surveys)

It would be great to have a very comprehensive hard copy survey taken each year or every other year at worlds as opposed to online where pro's are not participating so much.
I believe the players who attend the pro worlds are a combination of the top players AND movers and shakers of the sport and are the ones that should have more input for shaping the game.
Nothing against ams and new players who are very active on the board and use their computers to communicate as their input is needed as well.

I think if we combined survey results from those attending pro and am worlds with the online participation of the entire membership[, we would have a more accurate source of information for shaping the game as opposed to just the online surveys.

If in fact those who participate in the pdga world championships would rather attend a convention style event ( something I kind of doubt), then maybe the PDGA should host a Players championship event creating another Major. This event could focus entirely on the competition and use all resources in that direction.


Just a thought!

Hey Chuck, maybe it is time for a change? I mean worlds has had lame payout for as long as I can remember. Maybe the $1 thing would work? Doesn't the PDGA already take $3-$5 per entry for thier own "fees" that we never never get to see? Why not put it towards making our "Worlds" event better than everything else? PLayers like me would pay $25+ pwer year but we would also have a shot of making more back while those that only play 1-2 events put in little cash.

Maybe it is a Texas thing but pretty much everyone I have talked to (AM and Pro) wonders why the PDGA hasn't already done something to help elevate the event to a level worthy of the name. $1 per entry would mean $125,000+ in added cash .................................................. .same principal led to a C-tier with $2500 for 1st and nearly $1000 for 4th and brought a full field of 144 Pros and 75 Open players. Maybe they are on to something?????????????

Scooter,

Just because supposedly every tournament player you talked to in Texas agrees that your $1-from-every-player-per-tournament idea would likely raise $125,000+ in added cash for Worlds, it's not what the rest of the PDGA membership wants to do with that money. It's not the best use of that money and it doesn't grow the sport of disc golf like other PDGA programs do.

I can't imagine that the PDGA membership nor the PDGA BoD would ever vote for this. $125,000 is a lot of money which could fund an ENORMOUS number of programs, grants, and initiatives (both exisiting and new ones) to grow the sport of disc golf. What does the PDGA accomplish with membership fees? Click here to find out! (http://www.pdga.com/faq/membership/where-do-my-membership-fees-go)

And that's what it comes to. When you give out $125,000 to players at Pro Worlds, all you basically do is pay for the travel expenses of about 100 highly-ranked touring professional disc golfers. When you use that money for a plethora of other programs, grants, and initiatives, you help to grow the sport of disc golf. If we grow the sport, then the sponsorship and big payout tournaments will eventually come.

Recognize that there are more who win nothing at Worlds than something, especially when you consider the cost to attend. Their votes on the format for Worlds truly matters more than the top pros and movers and shakers. For example, my vote as a mover and shaker if asked would be to never have another combined Pro/Am Worlds due to the compromises necessary for both ams and pros. But enough players seem to like them, hosts are willing to run them and it's tough to find hosts for Pro only Worlds. So I accept that as the current reality and prefer to sometimes help versus play in them.

From a practical standpoint, I think it would be a long time before the PDGA actually would consider it appropriate to host an event catering only to the top pros because we're a member organization. Unless the resources were there to run separate events of a similar high quality/payouts for each of the various divisions in our sport, similar to all of the USGA Championships for different divisions, it probably won't happen. The USDGC arose as THE special event catering only to the top pros because a manufacturer went out of their way to develop and fund it with support from the PDGA similar to what they provide other Championships.

BTW, the top pros were well represented in the Tech Standards survey on targets and their responses were specifically broken out as part of the analysis.

I know my motivation for going to Worlds has nothing to do with payout, and everything to do with having fun.

Me too!!!! I have never been to a tourney based on the payout....I have only gone for the experiences, the courses, and to hopefully make new friends. If I finish in the payout cool, if I don't hopefully I had fun. Worlds is no different for me, I just want to go experience what I expect to be the best DG experience I can have. So far the best I have experienced is Texas Teams, especially last year stepping up to the Established division and for the most part getting our butts kicked.(even though we won the 6 man division 2 years ago, last year's experience was better).

This surprises me. It could be that I'm just the father (and Caddy) of a Jr. player.

We attend the players meeting and the fly mart.

other than that Andrew is there to compete and win. What free time we have we try to something as a family. for Andrew it's Bussiness. for my wife (Sherry) it's one of the few vacation she gets.

I can understand the host club trying to arrange fun things for everone. But in past three World Championships there has not been a lot of free time. Playing the touranment, pratice rounds, seems to take up most the week.


I agree with Wyatt, I have always felt the Jr's should only play 1 round per day so you can actually have some fun family time on vacation.

Maybe I should just give in and realize that Worlds is just a big Scam?

Also I am not saying all that money needs to go to Pro Worlds but it should be used to make the events more alluribng to possible host citites who would not have such a burden of finding sponsorship. Maybe then someone would actually want to host the money-loser.

Well I guess this discussion has made up my mind so I guess no more worlds for me until it lives up to its name.

Oh and to the two Am players who stated they care nothing about payout you must realize you get payed out quite well with a much lower entry fee as I had mentioned taking $1000+ in merch in 04-05. At least I helped pay for the trip that year.

So anyway I will just stay in TX and get ready for USDGC.

Scooter,

Just because supposedly every tournament player you talked to in Texas agrees that your $1-from-every-player-per-tournament idea would likely raise $125,000+ in added cash for Worlds, it's not what the rest of the PDGA membership wants to do with that money. It's not the best use of that money and it doesn't grow the sport of disc golf like other PDGA programs do.

I can't imagine that the PDGA membership nor the PDGA BoD would ever vote for this. $125,000 is a lot of money which could fund an ENORMOUS number of programs, grants, and initiatives (both exisiting and new ones) to grow the sport of disc golf. What does the PDGA accomplish with membership fees? Click here to find out! (http://www.pdga.com/faq/membership/where-do-my-membership-fees-go)

And that's what it comes to. When you give out $125,000 to players at Pro Worlds, all you basically do is pay for the travel expenses of about 100 highly-ranked touring professional disc golfers. When you use that money for a plethora of other programs, grants, and initiatives, you help to grow the sport of disc golf. If we grow the sport, then the sponsorship and big payout tournaments will eventually come.



Works for Southern Nationals and they bring us PDGA players in and after we leave we all wonder why the heck the PDGA can't run such a good event. At this point I just figure the PDGA is not the Org that will really jumpstart our sport and we will need to wait for someone else with vision to do such a thing.

Works for Southern Nationals and they bring us PDGA players in and after we leave we all wonder why the heck the PDGA can't run such a good event. At this point I just figure the PDGA is not the Org that will really jumpstart our sport and we will need to wait for someone else with vision to do such a thing.

I wish you good luck in starting your own org.

Maybe in 20 years you'll be at the point where the PDGA is today. (http://www.pdga.com/faq/membership/where-do-my-membership-fees-go)

I wish you good luck in starting your own org.

Maybe in 20 years you'll be at the point where the PDGA is today. (http://www.pdga.com/faq/membership/where-do-my-membership-fees-go)

I don't plan on going off and Starting my own org but I will let it be known there are quite a few Tds that have questioned if they need to PDGA sanction or not.

Also where has the PDGA gone in the past 15 years? I know the payouts are actually worse when you factor in Inflation.

And after reading your link I still wonder where our PDGA "tour" cards went this year?

I wish you good luck in starting your own org.

Maybe in 20 years you'll be at the point where the PDGA is today. (http://www.pdga.com/faq/membership/where-do-my-membership-fees-go)


I'd say it's more likely that he'll realize that successful organizations cater to majorities. Kid, no offense, but the day when a college KID can fund a worlds trip by cashing in the middle of the pack at worlds is far, far away. Taking the pdga money may seem like an easy solution to you, and that's just it....it's too easy. And you'd rather see that money go in 20-40 people's pockets (minority) than be used for funding programs that grow the sport? Pretty short sighted, wouldn't you say?

Stay in school, maybe one day you'll get a real job, and then you'll realize over time that Worlds is just about good fun and a vacation. All your negative vibe is wearin' me out. What did you think? You were gonna get on here and complain about the entry and payout and they were going to change it for you? Then it doesn't happen so you boycott it? Get real. Fact of the matter is, you're a college student (i.e. limited money) so yeah, you have a decision, Worlds or USDGC. Since you're choosing the latter, you gotta bash Worlds? Lame, IMO.

I'd say it's more likely that he'll realize that successful organizations cater to majorities. Kid, no offense, but the day when a college KID can fund a worlds trip by cashing in the middle of the pack at worlds is far, far away. Taking the pdga money may seem like an easy solution to you, and that's just it....it's too easy. And you'd rather see that money go in 20-40 people's pockets (minority) than be used for funding programs that grow the sport? Pretty short sighted, wouldn't you say?

Stay in school, maybe one day you'll get a real job, and then you'll realize over time that Worlds is just about good fun and a vacation. All your negative vibe is wearin' me out. What did you think? You were gonna get on here and complain about the entry and payout and they were going to change it for you? Then it doesn't happen so you boycott it? Get real. Fact of the matter is, you're a college student (i.e. limited money) so yeah, you have a decision, Worlds or USDGC. Since you're choosing the latter, you gotta bash Worlds? Lame, IMO.



I think you missed the point I was trying to make. I can go to a B-tier with a $70 entry and by finishing 4th (top 80%) you will receive $150 nearly every time yet at worlds with a $225 entry that same finish won't even come close to doubling your entry.

I am not necessarily bashing worlds as I have been to 4 of them and had a blast at each one I am just stating the fact that the payout leaves something to be desired on the Pro side of things. I mean I made $250 at a One day C-tier with a $50 entry yet that same type of payout seems impossible for what should be our Premier event.

The PDGA takes our $3-5 per entry from us anyway which we don't directly see in anyway and all I am suggesting is a system which benefits those who play the most events (the more you play the more you pay) and those players who qualify for worlds will be able to directly see where the money goes.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7698#Open

That event did this same thing and look at the draw it had. BTW the Am side filled as well.

Oh and to the two Am players who stated they care nothing about payout you must realize you get payed out quite well with a much lower entry fee as I had mentioned taking $1000+ in merch in 04-05. At least I helped pay for the trip that year.

I must not have made it very clear. My whole reason for going to Worlds is about interacting with the other players there and having fun. A payout is not what I am interested in. I would have a better chance of just taking the money I am paying out for hotel, travel, food, etc, and just buying discs with if my intent was to get merchandise. Why "must" I realize anything other than fun.

I am more than glad to pay the entry fee for an event like this where they cater to every players needs, providing a variety of courses, lots of volunteers setting up, tearing down, cleaning up, providing water, arranging activies, taking scores, providing results, and giving us a fantastic week of disc golf.

If you don't feel like going to Worlds because you won't win enough to pay for your going, then don't go. We'll all try to have fun without you there.

Oh yeah, Go Advanced Grandmasters!!

Yeah, and I've played those courses at Burns park in Little Rock. They're GARBAGE, which indicates to me that quality golf isn't that important to you, making money is. That's fine, but realize you're not fooling anyone.

I got your point, what you don't seem to understand is that some TD's get more added cash than others. Since it seems that your "tour" depends on that, you're probably better suited seeking out events with more added cash. Again, no biggie, you're not alone. I will say though, that you'll come across a lot better if you just do that, and don't worry (complain) about the ones that aren't going to meet your cash line criteria.

I made the post to point out that your idea that the PDGA should fund up majors is short-sighted. The point YOU are missing is that the Worlds does its best to please majorities, and does pretty well at it. You're in the minority here. You are suggesting that the $2 of my entry fee at a C-tier I played last month in Iowa goes to the PDGA to help line your pockets as opposed to funding programs like EDGE? Good luck pushing that through on this thread, lol.

The day that lower tier events fund the purse for majors will be the day I quit playing (and running) sanctioned tournaments.

Yeah, and I've played those courses at Burns park in Little Rock. They're GARBAGE, which indicates to me that quality golf isn't that important to you, making money is. That's fine, but realize you're not fooling anyone.

I got your point, what you don't seem to understand is that some TD's get more added cash than others. Since it seems that your "tour" depends on that, you're probably better suited seeking out events with more added cash. Again, no biggie, you're not alone. I will say though, that you'll come across a lot better if you just do that, and don't worry (complain) about the ones that aren't going to meet your cash line criteria.

I made the post to point out that your idea that the PDGA should fund up majors is short-sighted. The point YOU are missing is that the Worlds does its best to please majorities, and does pretty well at it. You're in the minority here. You are suggesting that the $2 of my entry fee at a C-tier I played last month in Iowa goes to the PDGA to help line your pockets as opposed to funding programs like EDGE? Good luck pushing that through on this thread, lol.

The day that lower tier events fund the purse for majors will be the day I quit playing (and running) sanctioned tournaments.


I have to agree that the red course needs a little work and improved baskets but the Blue course was pretty nice if you ask me with an SSA right at 52. Also I am not saying we need to tak $2 out for no reason but $1 out just like many regional tours do to support thier "finale". I am saying that ALL events would do this (PDGA already takes 3-5) and those dollars would go to Both AM and Pro worlds!!!!!!!

I just don't see why an event with such a high entry and 160 Open players pays so weak. Of course that is not the main reason I go but it would be nice if you had a chance to cover SOME expenses. The top 40 players last year were all over 1000 and only 1/4 of those had a shot of paying for most of thier trip. I actually think you can make more money at the Field events than the tournament itself.

Oh and to the two Am players who stated they care nothing about payout you must realize you get payed out quite well with a much lower entry fee as I had mentioned taking $1000+ in merch in 04-05. At least I helped pay for the trip that year.


As one of the two Ams who stated I care nothing about the payout, I can only speak for myself...but I have no idea what the payout is like at this event. I've never looked up past Worlds results to see the payout, nor will I ever.

It doesn't matter to me what the payout is. Why, because payout is not why I play disc golf or play in DG tourneys. I play to enjoy the sport of disc golf at new places with new people. I don't get mad if I don't make the payout, just like I don't get overly excited when I do make payout. Of course I know a lot of people that are the complete opposite of this, so to each thier own. To me though, disc golf shouldn't be and isn't about how much money(or mech.) I can win this weekend. It's how much fun can I have this weekend at this event, and how many buddies can I talk into going with me to enhance that fun.

So far I've talked 3 other San Angeloen's into coming to Worlds this year....and it's going to be EPIC no matter where I finish or how much I win(if I win anything).

I'll add a little positive to this thread. I want to thank all the volunteers of KC and the PDGA for making this event happen. I have volunteered a week of my time helping at a worlds and it's a major task. Thank you in advanced!

This is my first trip to KC and i've heard nothing but great things about the courses. I plan on taking a weeks vacation. Entry, hotel, gas, & other expenses I plan on spending $500 or less. That is a bargain for a 9 day vacation. I'd have to play above my rating all week to cash so i'm not expecting anything.

Sorry for the thread drift. I have never seen a sport where players are so selfish. It's all about what can you do for me rather than what can I do to help grow the sport. Though I have only been playing since 2001 i've seen the postives the PDGA and it's supporters are doing. If the mass amount of complainers would help the very few that actually do something for this sport we might grow dramatically.

Matt, If you want to play for more cash go out and knock on doors for sponsorship. Go to your local course and sell CFR discs. I'll steal Mace Man's phrase he was using during USDGC. We aren't that cool.

...Well I guess this discussion has made up my mind so I guess no more worlds for me until it lives up to its name...So anyway I will just stay in TX and get ready for USDGC.

Sorry to hear that you won't be joining us later this month.

But now at least this year's Worlds TDs won't have to put up with such ridiculous complaints like this:

One more complaint! Why the heck didn't the Pros get those cool umbrellas? We pay $230 to get in before anything else yet we just get discs we won't throw. I mean most of us flew in and didn't have umbrellas with us so what's the deal with that?

I probably won't be able to play a practice round at every course so in what order should I play them to maximize my practice? I am playing MA1 so I think I am playing the following courses.

Blue Valley
Wyandotte County Park
Water Works
Shawnee Mission Park
Prairie Center

Speaking of playing above your rating, for Worlds last year, 94% of pro players ended up with a final rank at Worlds that was essentially the same as their original rank by rating before the event started. So 1 in 30 (3%) really exceeded their rating and 1 in 30 tanked. It's really that tough to do better or worse than your current skill level when there are that many rounds. So having fun should really be the goal of most attendees. And even the top guns should at least try to have fun.:)

Sorry to hear that you won't be joining us later this month.

But now at least this year's Worlds TDs won't have to put up with such ridiculous complaints like this:



That was mainly an issue because they were AWEsome umbrellas and they were sitting on the Pro tables with all the other stuff we were supposed to get but when I grabbed one I got the "those are only for Ams" thing.

One of my Am buddies was real mad about a month ago when someone jacked his...........................because they were sweet!!!!!

I just wished we got the same cool stuff when we pay twice as much...............at least that way I would have something other than a Pig and Beer mug to remember the trip.


Don't take this as a knock on the guys running the event but more as a a personal feeling that Worlds should have a somewhat decent payout throughout the divisions. Of course I would show up for just the fun and excitement of the event but it is just hard to swing when you have to shoot 1025 golf to make some of your money back.

40th place at USDGC get more that double 30th place at worlds and the entry is right at the same.

I probably won't be able to play a practice round at every course so in what order should I play them to maximize my practice? I am playing MA1 so I think I am playing the following courses.
Blue Valley
Wyandotte County Park
Water Works
Shawnee Mission Park
Prairie Center


I think a solid strategy is to first practice the courses that are the tightest AND with the most birdie holes. Sounds like Blue Valley and Prairie center might be at the bottom of the list but I don't know 2 & 4?

40th place at USDGC get more that double 30th place at worlds and the entry is right at the same.



Matt,

You keep comparing USDGC and Worlds. There is no comparison.

It's basic economics.

MPO at 2008 Worlds had a total payout of $36,810 compared to $82,130 at USDGC.

In 2008 there were 139 Open at Worlds and 188 at USDGC. That's roughly $11,000 right there.

There were 8 pro divisions at Worlds compared to 1 at USDGC. I don't have the added cash break down but i'm sure added cash went to many if not all those divisions.

USDGC has the #1 most effective fundraiser in disc golf. That's the Roc. Without that the event would not have that much added cash.

I just don't see why an event with such a high entry and 160 Open players pays so weak. ... The top 40 players last year were all over 1000 and only 1/4 of those had a shot of paying for most of thier trip.

Matt, you are changing what you say with each post. That just makes it sound like straight up whining.

First you were talking about how 4th in a B-tier could double your entry, but now you are comparing it to finishing top-40 at Worlds and funding your entire trip. Are you seriously complaining that top 25% of Open players can't fund their entire week-long trip Worlds with their winnings?


Here is the real problem, and unfortunately you are not acknowledging the problem nor doing a single thing to overcome the problem: the #1 problem for Open players like yourself in disc golf is.....no one wants to pay to see you play!

Sorry, man. Nothing personal, it's just the truth. It's not just me. It's just the way it is. The only time you even really have a gallery at a disc golf tournament is if there is a final-9 for the top 4 guys *AND* the TD holds everyone else hostage until that final-9 is completed. Even then, there is an incessant (and quite irritating) parade of "can i get my check yet?" "can I get my discs yet?" from the people that should be watching the final.

Until someone wants to pay to see the pros play, the pro payout will continue to be weak. USDGC pays freakin' huge because people want to buy candy Rocs, so there's no help there. The Rock Hill crew haven't figured it out.

Sorry. Pass on Worlds already, and stop nagging already. Please. Go to USDGC.

Not looking to fund the trip but at least get double the entry when you finish in the top 20%.

Yes I will shut up and just make more money at 2 local b-tiers on the weekends surrounding Worlds.

Good luck to all attending and to Jack and Chappy on a successful event.

from a practical standpoint, i think it would be a long time before the pdga actually would consider it appropriate to host an event catering only to the top pros because we're a amateur organization.


fyp

Thank you, Rhett, well said.

I'm looking forward to seeing you in KC, I just hope that I will be able to recognize you :)

from a practical standpoint, i think it would be a long time before the pdga actually would consider it appropriate to host an event catering only to the top pros because we're a amateur organization.

Wow, that is depressing for me to read.

I know. The grammar was butchered in the quoting process...

BTW, the current Board already has a top heavy pro percentage higher than the actual PDGA pro membership (~25%) with 4 out of 7 BOD members (57%) listed as pros (Convers, Gillis, Korver, Rothstein). And most all of the consultants and contractors are listed as pros (Hoeniger, Duesler, Breiner, Roddick, Homburg, Kennedy).

thats to start another thread folks. This is about the Worlds. And yeah, Matt got some points that I am sure some people agree with, and Jay and Chuck have points that others agree with, but in this thread, can discuss how you and your hot game is going to come to KC and kick some butt on a few great courses for the week, have some fun time away from the courses, and really just reconnect with the people that make this event special?

One of the things that struck me outside of the $80k vs $36k payout, was shear #'s of people playing. Chuck may not like having a combined world's, but I would bet to venture most of the rest of us do. It is a rare chance to get everyone from the disc golf ranks in the same location to play for the week. It does not happen at this magnitude any other time, and therfore it comes along briefly in a lifetime of disc sports. Think about the few times that they have been combined. It has been great fun to have everyone travel, regardless of division. You have to meet new people (GASP) that you did not meet in the chat room, and ask for a ride back to the hotel, and could you help a brother out tomorrow to get to the course? My buddy shot -7, and left my grouping......yeaouch, now I have to meet someone new that I might like and talk with later in life.....stupid worlds....

Bottom line, Matt its not the end all, be all money maker. Chuck, this is a PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION that has more amateur members, it does not make us an amateur organization (though at times we wonder.....) another bottom line, (wow rhett) is that until we get people to enjoy watching our sport, seeing our sport in a light that makes us a valuable commodity to those in marketing, it will be tough. Part of my goal was to raise awareness about our sport with the usage of a hosthotel that will help others in the future, and also set a tone for the industry to watch us. Well unfortunately we failed in that, and until we can figure out a way to support the efforts of those that do the work for the venues, its going to be a long road.

I'll still travel to it, because it has brought lasting relationships with great people from coast to coast, and country to country. The great thing about this sport is the people, right wrong or indifferent, if you didn't like most of the people in the sport, you'd leave, if you stay, you're a dork.

Come to worlds because it gives you a chance to shine amongst your peers. It gives some people a chance to showcase their talent, and become sponsored (Ahem.....not discussed yet, but what about the oppt that a good showing at worlds can create for a player?), but most importantly, come to the worlds because you love the sport, you love the people, and you know that these fleeting moments can make lifetime memories. Or don't. You don't like it, don't come.

Matt, I'll miss ya, regardless of what others may think. Sorry you won't be here. The rest of you, come on, book some rooms at the hotel, I need like 10 people to book rooms for the week, and we are good to go!! Sign up, and get to the Westin, you know if you're reading this, you want to be here, regardless of what you write.....or else, really, really, why bother reading this?

Looking forward to having you here. You know you want to be here, make it happen, less than 10 days left to sign up, and slots are vanishing fast.

Jack

I probably won't be able to play a practice round at every course so in what order should I play them to maximize my practice? I am playing MA1 so I think I am playing the following courses.

Blue Valley
Wyandotte County Park
Water Works
Shawnee Mission Park
Prairie Center


Blue Valley and Wyco will be the toughest to score on. (Length) Water works lies in the middle, and Shawnee Mission and Prarie Center are pretty straight forward. I would play them last.

None of these courses, are "tight" Water Works having just a few wooded tunnels.

Jack, I don't expect you to track all of the posts but I did not say the PDGA was an amateur org. My text was "borrowed" and the word "amateur" inserted for my word "member."

Jack, I don't expect you to track all of the posts but I did not say the PDGA was an amateur org. My text was "borrowed" and the word "amateur" inserted for my word "member."


Sorry Chuck, I really shouldn't have said anything from anyone, because honestly I take pieces from what everyone says, instead of being on point with a specific topic. I didn't mean to pick on you in particular. I meant to pick on everyone!

Just get here already people, geesh....I was really just hoping to kill a thread about the sidedrift it was taking, and bring it back to how you gonna handle the heat in KC this late July and August?

Blue Valley and Wyco will be the toughest to score on. (Length) Water works lies in the middle, and Shawnee Mission and Prarie Center are pretty straight forward. I would play them last.

None of these courses, are "tight" Water Works having just a few wooded tunnels.

Good info. I never got an answer on a previous post. Assuming someone makes the finals (MA1) when will they be out of there on Saturday? Do I need to stay until the end to get my payout or will there be vouchers? I am trying to get the OKC on Saturday night and want to know if that is setting expectations too high.

Sorry Chuck, I really shouldn't have said anything from anyone, because honestly I take pieces from what everyone says, instead of being on point with a specific topic. I didn't mean to pick on you in particular. I meant to pick on everyone!

Just get here already people, geesh....I was really just hoping to kill a thread about the sidedrift it was taking, and bring it back to how you gonna handle the heat in KC this late July and August?



South Texans should be ok since we just recently dipped below 100 for the 1st time in a few weeks. lol

Good info. I never got an answer on a previous post. Assuming someone makes the finals (MA1) when will they be out of there on Saturday? Do I need to stay until the end to get my payout or will there be vouchers? I am trying to get the OKC on Saturday night and want to know if that is setting expectations too high.


It really depends on varying factors. We hope to be finished by 6 or 7 on the day. Only 4 people make the finals....if you make it that far, it only makes sense to stick around and enjoy it. If you don't we will have provisions in place to pay out accordingly.

It really depends on varying factors. We hope to be finished by 6 or 7 on the day. Only 4 people make the finals....if you make it that far, it only makes sense to stick around and enjoy it. If you don't we will have provisions in place to pay out accordingly.

I am slightly confused on who is playing on Friday and Saturday and when. I assume there is a cut and then another cut but how will all that work out? Thanks.