main event doesn't start until tomorrow...

Field event results? or are they still doing them?

Field event results? or are they still doing them?

Check the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships Media Page (http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009) for the results which have been posted so far.


(http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../worlds2009)

any chance of scores being posted soon?

336 competing pros? WOW !!

main event doesn't start until tomorrow...
Here's the schedule:

http://kcworlds.com/2009-Worlds-Schedule-v4.5-pool.pdf

any chance of scores being posted soon?

What scores are you looking for? Singles competition doesn't start until tomorrow. (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/%5BQUOTE=bruce_brakel;1387313%5DHere%27s%20the%20s chedule:%20%20http://kcworlds.com/2009-Worlds-Schedule-v4.5-pool.pdf%5B/QUOTE%5D)

Field Event results can be found on the Worlds Media page. (http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009)

any field event information

any field event information

look at the post immediately before your original post!

PDGA Radio will be doing live stuff during the Finals on Saturday. Please be aware that KC is in the Central time zone, GMT -5 hours.

To Jack Lowe or any other staff member.

Is there anyway to remind players to look inside the double stash mini we gave away in the players package for their shot at free merch and discounts at our fly mart table?

would it be possible to post something on the worlds threads that I cannot access?

what about the field event results

added more pics from monday practice and the players meeting bottom of page 2 thru 5

http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/_7270627.jpg

KC Journal Day 3:

We drove 2&1/2 hours down this morning to the Precious Moments Complex in Carthedge, MO.
For those that don't know Precious Moments are collectible figurines which are all hand painted and are cheaper than Hummels(but not by much on some pieces) and have the same secondary and retired pieces market as most collectibles.
After having lunch and spending more at the museum and gift shop than Matt Hall's expected return on investment if he finishes in the top 25 :), we drove back to the Westin Crown Center(host hotel) complex and looked around in the stores there, before heading upstairs to mingle and then heading inside the banquet room for the players meeting.

Everyone else I knew in Disc Golf that I had not seen yet, I saw in the 2 hours before or 1&1/2 hours during and after the players meeting, as well as most of the ones I had seen in the first 2 days. - But the ONLY PERSON I saw tonight who mattered more than anyone else I have seen here - was Tim Selinske.
I was so glad to see him and I told him how much it meant to see him there while giving him a giant emotional bearhug. I sincerely hope that whoever is helping him around this week will PLEASE keep him safe and NOT let him overdo it here in KC. We ALL need him around for many more years to come!

We then drove back to our hotel 15 miles away in a massive monsoon downpour with lightning strikes that lit the sky for 3-7 seconds each strike. When we got to our hotel it had not rained one drop. Turning on the local 10 PM Fox weather we saw why - monster cells were all over the area but were hit and miss because they weren't totally connected as they usually are in most storm fronts.

Hopefully Rosedale Down under was spared for Lorelei's sake, as I can't imagine what that course looks like after a monsoon rain storm.
In 8 &1/2 hours Lorelei and I will be taking our first throws of the 2009 Worlds with both of us starting on hole 18 on our respective courses on opposite ends of the city. I will look north before my first throw and wish her luck and good health and hope she has a great day.

I hope you all are enjoying reading this as much as I enjoy writing it, so at least for those of you not here you can follow a couple of players - father (Pro Master) and daughter (Under 13 Junior) as they compete and have fun in Kansas City during the week of Worlds!

See you tomorrow night,
Keith

It would be nice if we could find the full field event results. Haven't seen a thing, other that who won doubles.

Go to the Media page and then scroll down...look to the right....and below the dubs are the field events

Thanks

Adam Faust hit an ace on the 237' hole#16 at Prairie Center in Olathe at 8:01 AM, his very first throw of the tournament! Wow! :cool:

Ace on the first hole! WOWSER!!!!

He can pretty much go home happy now regardless of the rest of the week.

I'll bet Blue Valley is not a lot of fun with the rain they are getting right now.

i believe its Adam Foust from iowa.. nice shot thanks for the updates. still looking for field event results?????

Adam Faust hit an ace on the 237' hole#16 at Prairie Center in Olathe at 8:01 AM, his very first throw of the tournament! Wow! :cool:

Field events are listed on the media page, on the right hand side. They just updated it this morning.

I wonder how the pros like Blue Valley in the rain?:cool:

Way to go Adam, that is one our Bushwhacker's here in Des Moines. Way to represent.

The first singles scores have come in: the Pro Legends (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8104&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Legends) and Advanced Senior Grandmasters (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8105#Advanced%20Senior%20Grandmast ers) round from Pleasant Hill has been uploaded!

David Greenwell, Jim 'No Spin' Myers, & Snapper Pierson have the early lead in Pro Grandmasters (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8104&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Grandmasters)!

out of curiosity who has the lowest PDGA # that is playing in the 2009 worlds? is it stancel J with # 9???

David Greenwell, Jim 'No Spin' Myers, & Snapper Pierson have the early lead in Pro Grandmasters (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8104&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Grandmasters)!Go Mark!

Hot Round at Wyco Pool L Advanced is a 54 1st round
NC Hopefuls
Cheebo -57
Austin - 58

who's out there now? is it far enough away from other courses that other players in the same division might be getting nice weather? never thought about that being an issue

it's been an issue before- specifically in charlotte. they had a wide open boomer course that some of the top dogs got to play under good conditions, some under crappy conditions. that is what led to the (misguided imo) seeding of pools at worlds for a while.

An excellent weather forecast for our airborne activities.

http://www.usairnet.com/cgi-bin/launch/code.cgi?Submit=Go&sta=KMKC&state=MO

good to know... i dont think they should seed pools but if there are courses spread out just try and keep the divisions near each other. its bound to happen im sure but would probably help

What happened to Tschiggfrie?

live scoring?

nevermind

Anyone else notice how the ladies Open scores from the first round also fall in order of player ratings?They don't.

I know the live scoring is at Rosedale but it wouldn't hurt to have the course name on the live scoring window for future rounds.

Great, apparently I had show ratings selected and didn't notice. Now you know why I've only posted 13 times in 6 years. I think I'll stick to lurking.

David Greenwell, Jim 'No Spin' Myers, & Snapper Pierson have the early lead in Pro Grandmasters (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8104&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Grandmasters)!

That is about right. Jim should easily win this since he is the fittest of them all(and he can throw 500 feet).

out of curiosity who has the lowest PDGA # that is playing in the 2009 worlds? is it stancel J with # 9???


That's what they said at the players' meeting last night.

I know the live scoring is at Rosedale but it wouldn't hurt to have the course name on the live scoring window for future rounds.

I agree.
I didn't know and I was wondering about that....

What happened to Tschiggfrie?

Anyone?

Must be humid as ....
Always tough in that type of weather.
Maybe they should change the date of the worlds to October or something.
Or have it in Europe....

What's going on with the feed? Nothing is happening? Did they all go home? ;-)

Who Is Mike Triumph?
Local guy?

Adam Foust hit an ace on the 237' hole#16 at Prairie Center in Olathe at 8:01 AM, his very first throw of the tournament! Wow! :cool:

My protege :)

Keep it up Adam, you can win this thing.

San Diego is starting out well with Dave Devine and Snapper Pierson. I hope they keep it up.

Are the rounds at BV taking 6 hours?

San Diego is starting out well with Dave Devine and Snapper Pierson. I hope they keep it up.


I wish Micah and Carlo could've made it.

Avery shoots a SICK round of 53 at Blue Valley! :eek:

Are the rounds at BV taking 6 hours?

ours took just under 5 hours, including a 5? group backup on #4, and a 3 or 4 group backup on #11

I played with Matt Blakley whose 57 was really good, 53 is AMAZING. Course conditions were rough, rain on and off all day and some really slick teepads.

avery shoots a sick round of 53 at blue valley! :eek:

sweeet

Who Is Mike Triumph? Local guy?
Mike is from the Lemon Lake area in NW Indiana where Pro Worlds will be next year. His son Tyler is also playing well in Junior under 19.

Mike is from the Lemon Lake area in NW Indiana where Pro Worlds will be next year. His son Tyler is also playing well in Junior under 19.

Thanks Chuck.
Lot of new names out there.
I know only 20 players in the Open?
Most of my friends are in masters and grand masters now hahaha
Phil Arthur hasn't played in awhile(as far as I know). 4/5 years? I know he has a canon for an arm....

LETS GOOOOO Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, that Bradley Williams guy is good. Keep it up.

Avery's sick round at Blue Valley:

Eagle 3 on hole#3 696'
Birdie 3 on hole#4 621'
Deuce on hole#6 320'
Birdie 3 on hole#7 611'
Birdie 3 on hole#8 624'
Birdie 4 on hole#9 746'
Deuces on holes#10 & 11
Birdie 3 on hole#12 533'
Birdie 3 on hole#13 816'
Deuce on hole#15 404' (apparently his ace spit out)
Birdie 3 on hole#17 739'
Birdie 4 on hole#18 856'

thanks Bill

That's what they said at the players' meeting last night.

mccaine why are you not there but your son is??

Wow, that Bradley Williams guy is good. Keep it up.

a 53 at BV....absolutely amazing!

Anyone want to buy some discs? I obviously have no business in this sport!:eek:

KC Journal Day 4:

Weather played a huge factor in my day from start to finish and after 7 holes I was bleeding from a thorn into my nose from where after slipping on the muddy fly pads which caused my shot to cross the casual creek. Unfortunately, I did not navigate the slick granite rocks in the creek which caused a fall head first into the thorn bush and it also dumped all my discs and accessories in the creek and injured my back which kept me from being able to fully twist making it impossible to throw straight or turnover shots. after being even through the first 6 holes I only recorded 2 3's on the 12 remaining holes(both long hyzer holes).
Luckily there was a massage person at Rosedale who worked my back into feeling good enough to twist again while we waited until 4 pm to tee off due to the weather slowing down the Adv Grandmasters.
Started the round on hole 14 with a boring 3 and then the day got worse on 15 which had a spotter who unfortunately was spotting the wide open fairway instead of the 50-70 foot sloping drop off 21 feet from the basket to the right - My putter was 10 feet to the right of the basket and about 5 feet past which "should" have left me around a 20 footer for 3, so I thought. But apparently after hitting the ground it rolled down the slope and after looking around in the vicinty where the spotter in the middle of the fairway "thought" he saw it go, I was sliding down the hill trying to get back up to the top to rethrow from my previous lie. I was also now putterless on the second hole of the round as well as having to take a 6 for being 20 feet from the basket on a 150 foot upshot.
After the round I went back and looked for 15 minutes before finding it wedged until a dead log with about 2 inches of disc visible. I found the discs after sliding down the hill again from the top in the mud and spraining/dislocating and or breaking my right wrist when I hit the ground and when I finally stopped I was 3 feet from my disc.
I'm officially not having fun now. :)

Lorelei's day went better although her scores don't reflect it. She and the juniors played Rosedale Down Under Course in the rain and mud which caked up on their shoes making them like concrete bricks on their feet, (Controversy Alert) unlike the ADV Grandmasters who decided as a group after playing the Rosedale Top course, that they didn't want to play Down Under in the mud even though the Juniors played in it.

I think I'll ask if I can replay the second round with a putter this time, as it seems the players can choose if they want to play or not.

I also need to find out why I was 5 points from winning putting and tied for second and instead there is no Masters division breakdown even though there was 15 Masters signed up.
No one and NO WHERE did it say there would be no Masters division in putting.

OK my rant is over for today - if the swelling in my hand goes down and I can move it I'll be playing at 11 AM at Blue Valley.

More tomorrow night after the Fly Mart,
Keith

That Carolina team is doing well, Adv Men, Lil Wigg (14yoa), and Matt Keatts tied for the lead, while Terry Gallops is knocking on da door. Andrew Coggins has a 8 stroke lead in U-13. Marueen Higgins leading adv women. Keep it up, good job

Blue Valley was played on tee times by ALL Open players and thier scores from that round is what will put them in the A or B pool until the shuffle.
Pro Masters have tee times tomorrow based off of the scores from today 2 rounds - both Masters pools played the same 2 courses in inverse order.

Depending on when the rain stopped over there and how well of a rain player they were, probably skewed the pools somewhat. It stopped raining around 4:30 at Rosedale which is about 15-20 miles away from Blue Valley. Later tee times might have had little to no rain for most of their round.

Keep it up Dalton. Show 'em what Texas is all about. Jerry...step it up. lol
CAWCAW!

keith thanks for the updates and hope your wrist gets to feeling better.

Keep it up Dalton. Show 'em what Texas is all about. Jerry...step it up. lol
CAWCAW!

Michael Brownlow is looking good as well! Let's go Miles Seaborn! COme on Philip Hall show them what a case of Budwieser can do for you:)

Very surprised Avery didn't join the 1100+ club with that 53.

[QUOTE=keithjohnson;1387549]

...as it seems the players can choose if they want to play or not.

what does that mean keith? ^^^


sorry about your compounding injuries, hang in there buddy.

maybe they should retitle this thread, "worlds, can you handle
the rain slicked tee pads?" where is this 100F temp?

[QUOTE=keithjohnson;1387549]

...as it seems the players can choose if they want to play or not.

what does that mean keith? ^^^




Sounds like he is miffed the Jr. girls had to play a mud pit and the old men didn't want to so they played somewhere else.

Where is the schedule for the courses being played??
What courses are the open players playing today??

Where is the schedule for the courses being played??
What courses are the open players playing today??

You can find it here:

World Championships Info Page (http://www.pdga.com/world-championships#confirm-package)

or here:

2009 PDGA World Championships Official Website (http://kcworlds.com/)

I wish Micah and Carlo could've made it.

So do I. Can't wait until some of our large advanced field begins moving up to compete with the big boys.

I for one am very glad that the Am Grandmasters did not play Rosedale Down Under after several hours of solid rain yesterday afternoon. Holes 1 and 2 on the upper course were muddy and treacherous on the slopes near the baskets. I can only imagine what Down Under would have been like for the "old folks".

The highlight of my day was watching Phil Arthur shoot a spectacular 48 at Rosedale. He was hitting putts from everywhere and crushing drives for deuce opportunities while the rest of us were laying up from 80-100 feet. He had two birdie putts dance through the chains or it could easily have been a 46! Can't wait to watch him crush at Blue Valley today.

Our card was the epitome of "the spirit of the game" yesterday. Lots of laughs and positive vibes. Many thanks to Toad, MitchMac and Phil for an extremely enjoyable round of golf.

Cheers, DD

would like to watch the 1:10 card in masters that one looks like fun.. KICK some *** V...

Nathan Doss and Paul Ulibarri shot the hot round of 47 at Rosedale Original (Top) to jump onto the leader card in Open A Pool. They both trail Avery Jenkins by 5 strokes.

thanks jeff (for the whole week)

Doss came out w/ a bang today! went from -6 to -17 & made up some slack between him & Avery.

Go get'em DD and say Hi to the fella's.

Go T-Squared in Advance (currently tied for 1st). Make it back to back NT wins!!!!

We will continue live scoring coverage this afternoon by covering the Open division lead card as they tackle the tight woods of the Thornfield private course.

Follow Avery Jenkins, Nate Doss, Paul Ulibarri, and defending World Champion Dave Feldberg as they play the challenging par 60 layout.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=8104&Div=MPO (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../tournament/live.php?TournID=8104&Div=MPO)

Kids can easily handle all kinds of terrain but when you are over 50, it is slightly different,wouldn't you say?
Lets have some respect for our "older" players....

Sorry to hear all your bad luck Keith( it made me smile),discs in the water, thorn in your nose? How do you do that?
But, no matter what, you are still there!
And I am not(sigh).

But there is a lot more golf to play and it must be nice with so many people....
I know that I always liked playing in a Worlds(6 of them), eventhou I always played pretty bad.
But to me the Worlds were always a discgolf vacation, and I wanted to enjoy myself as much as possible,so I never really slept hahaha

So just enjoy and keep us informed(way cool), cuz' we miss that.....!

I would LOVE to know which poule plays where and at what time.

I looked at the course and I think -10 for Avery...

Avery's first 4.

It's a dead heat! After 3 rounds, we have ties for the lead in the Advanced Masters Women & Junior <19 divisions, and a 3-way tie for the lead in Pro Grandmasters Women division! :cool:

what's up with K pool?

Very surprised Avery didn't join the 1100+ club with that 53.

Me too...for a split second until I remember that chu...errr...I mean the ratings hate long courses. :)

I looked at the course and I think -10 for Avery...

so far so good.....just one more Ave!

It's a dead heat! After 3 rounds, we have ties for the lead in the Advanced Masters Women & Junior <19 divisions, and a 3-way tie for the lead in Pro Grandmasters Women division! :cool:


Go Kathy H.! Pull out some of that DISC-DIVA MOJO!!!

I looked at the course and I think -10 for Avery...

Told you ;-)

I do think that a -11 will be the best round....

Me too...for a split second until I remember that chu...errr...I mean the ratings hate long courses.
Perhaps good players believe that since they spent more time playing than in math classes? ;)

Valarie takes the lead!

Told you ;-)

I do think that a -11 will be the best round....

3 A Nikko Locastro 11534 1029 59 51 49* -25 159

* I should buy a lottery ticket ;-)

It looks like Val and Des are playing jojo...

My guess is some calculation. Referring to the pro pool.
1071 to 1063 in maybe 2 hrs. Just watching.

I was thinking maybe a new club, 107X rated rounders.

Still loving watching the great golf going on, but only watching, THIS year.

Peace,

Jeff, has your unofficial evaluation of these courses changed at all in the past week??

I

Top Tier (must-play courses):

Thornfield - Private course with several pro par fours.

Cliff Drive (Kessler Park) - Nice mix of open & woods. New concrete tees were just poured last month. Often windy.

Blue Valley - World class par 66 challenge; many pro par four holes which play over sick elevation changes and against often insane winds. Front nine is more technical than the back nine which is almost completely open.

Water Works - Plays through scattered old growth trees and some lofty elevation changes. Nice views of downtown. Only drawback is that all holes are par 3s.

Next Tier (very good courses):

Swope - Nice course with tree lined fairways over gentle elevation changes.

Rosedale Top: Open, windy course next to steep drop-offs into woods.

Wyandotte County Park (WyCo): Long open "prairie" course.

Prairie Center Park: Shorter open "prairie" course.

Middle Tier (good courses):


Pleasant Hill (Lake Shore Disc Golf Course): Plays along the shores of the lake with nice views of the water. Mostly open, flat par 54 course. Really the only course at Worlds with water hazards.

Shawnee Mission: Par 54 course, mix of open and woods.

Legacy Park: Nice mix of open and wooded holes.


Bottom Tier:

Rosedale Down Under: Pitch-n-putt through extremely tight, hilly woods. 17 of 18 holes less than 300 feet.

I'm sure locals who have played these courses will weigh in on the accuracy of the above info. :D

what can you tell me about phil arthur? putting machine?


lets go josh (anthon), so cal representin'

what can you tell me about phil arthur? putting machine? Georgia boy...SOLID player...good man...FOCUSED. Doesn't play nearly enough(local) lately. We miss watching his game. Bring it home Phil!!!

Does anyone know what percentage of the field makes it to the semifinals? And what percentage cashes? I'm sure it's different for different divisions.

* I should buy a lottery ticket ;-)They sell those in the Coffee Shops, don't they Tuur?

Valarie takes the lead!Valerie and Des are so closely matched, this could go down to the last hole.

It's fun to see three of the ten highest rated amateurs bagging it in junior boys, while their female counterparts are first, third and third[tied] in Advanced Women. It has been that way for a few years now. The top boys go for easy wins in juniors and the top girls show a little mettle.

[QUOTE=brock;1387704]what can you tell me about phil arthur? putting machine?


I have played the last two rounds with Phil, and he is shooting some incredible, Open caliber golf. He can throw controlled right handed drives ~ 500' and can also drive left-handed for probably 400+. His recovery game has been excellent, and I have not seen him miss more than a couple of putts inside of 30'. Yesterday he made several putts in the 40-50 foot range and took us to school at Rosedale. He has super power, great control, is a solid putter, and has a great attitude. The complete package. If he continues to shoot like this he should run away with the title this year in Masters. Watching him play, all I can say is...Grandmasters, here I come! (I turn 50 next April).

Cheers, DD

lets go josh (anthon), so cal representin'

Since when is Rio Linda in Socal? Isn't it enough you guys take most of our water? ;)

keith thanks for the updates and hope your wrist gets to feeling better.

Thanks Mr Ware! Wrist/thumb area was badly sprained, swollen and brusied.

KC Journal Day 5:

Just to clarify a few things, It wasn't that I was miffed that the "old guys" didn't play Down Under - They shouldn't have as it was dangerous with the conditions, but I was upset that the players got to make that decision. I said in the morning that nobody should have to play it with those conditions, because even when dry as a bone as it was on the weekend, it is a dangerous course in places. But the juniors - all 77 of them the first round - had to play it and yes they are younger, but younger doesn't keep them from falling down as 1 girl did 6 times. Lorelei and others on her card fell a couple of times also - it was DANGEROUS for everyone and should not have been played that day by anyone.

OK - on to today and the good stuff.
Today the Masters played at Blue Valley in tee times, and I love the course for it makes you think about lines, placement, and distance on every hole. Shot in the top 30 scores today (a day late unfortunately)
The swollen thumb actually proably helped me grip the disc better today (being dry also was a big help with footing) and I only had 1 bad drive out of the 18 holes. Upshots being left 25-35 long or short was what kept me from having an outstanding round, as I only cashed in 3 outside the circle while missing 6 under 35 - 2 off the tray, 3 off the chainholder and 1 airball uphill.
Being one of the first Masters groups to tee off allowed me to be able to watch several cards and the 2 leaders cards play most of the back 9. Phil is an animal, and I wish my hometown mate well.
Lorelei played relatively solid at Swope having only 1 bad hole (Hole 13) where she went OB in the road twice after getting a gash in her Archangel which caused it to turn more on her than she thought. The Juniors that have signed up for the transportation package then
got to go to Power Play - which had an Arcade, black light mini golf, and other things for a few hours before coming back to the Host hotel for the FLY MART.

Lots of merchandise and lots of people were in attendance there, and we made several rounds in there to not miss anyone or anything in the 2 & 1/2 hours we were there. Saw lots of players, friends and vendors that I hadn't seen since '08 Worlds and traded stories with lots of people.
We left before the end as we have a 5 AM wakeup to get Lorelei to the host Hotel for her 2 rounds at Pleasant Hill in the morning. Tomorrow after the rounds are done, Lorelei and the others are going to the Oceans of Fun water park before heading back to host Hotel.

A HUGE THANKS to Jack Lowe and John Chapman for hooking this Transportation and 2 different amusement places deal up for the Juniors that wanted to do it as they are having a blast hanging out together and thinking about other things besides competiton.

Thanks to all the well wishers as well as those having fun with my being injured, as I stayed on my feet today and didn't have a new injuries to add. Wrist/Thumb area is black and blue but still functioning.
Tomorrow is Swope then Wyco for me as I have dropped into the E Pool after yesterdays' horrendous start. Goal is now to get my first 2 of Worlds and to continue to play as well as possible.

More tomorrow night,
Keith

[QUOTE=brock;1387704]what can you tell me about phil arthur? putting machine?


I have played the last two rounds with Phil, and he is shooting some incredible, Open caliber golf. He can throw controlled right handed drives ~ 500' and can also drive left-handed for probably 400+. His recovery game has been excellent, and I have not seen him miss more than a couple of putts inside of 30'. Yesterday he made several putts in the 40-50 foot range and took us to school at Rosedale. He has super power, great control, is a solid putter, and has a great attitude. The complete package. If he continues to shoot like this he should run away with the title this year in Masters. Watching him play, all I can say is...Grandmasters, here I come! (I turn 50 next April).

Cheers, DD

Seems to me that Phil will be the "Master to beat" for a long time.....
And if he is gonna compete again....everybody has to look out.

Hmm, maybe I should take a break for 4 years too....

Oh...Dave....sorry to tell you that Jim Myers is doing the same thing in Grandmasters.
Maybe you have more luck in Senior Grandmasters?

1 J Oscar Stenfelt 8658 1000* 45 51 59 -12 155

Highest rated player in the AM Division.
And he is 15.....

1 J Oscar Stenfelt 8658 1000* 45 51 59 -12 155

Highest rated player in the AM Division.
And he is 15.....

When you been playing since birth!!...that helps!!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1353544.html

this should ONLY affect people staying north, near the airport or in that area or beyond, and who are playing Prairie Center or WYCO.

The ramp from SOUTHBOUND I 435 (coming from the airport) to I70 in BOTH DIRECTIONS will be closed from 830am to about 3pm TODAY, THURSDAY.

Detours will be posted, but if this is in your travel, please allow a little extra time!

To PC, stay on I435 to K10 west (Lawrence) to K7 South. WYCO, I'm not sure what to say...follow the detour...

what can you tell me about phil arthur? putting machine?



Phil is more of a regional player. Georgia and surrounding states. 2005 and 2006 were really good years for him. 11th at worlds and 23rd at the USDGC. In 2005 at the Charlotte Open A-tier which I ran he finished tied for 2nd in a very impressive, international field.

And I'll also vouch for his great personality. The guy is fun both on the course and off. I saw him for the first time this year at the Hall of Fame Classic, which he was leading for a couple of rounds. He told me he's focused on being competitive again.
Watch out masters. There's a new big dog in town.

Jeff, has your unofficial evaluation of these courses changed at all in the past week??

Steve,

I tried to play as many courses as I could before Worlds began. I played Blue Valley, Waterworks, Cliff Drive, Thornfield, Swope, and WyCo. Look for my reviews of the courses posted earlier in this thread.

Personally, I thought WyCo was better than advertised and possibly a top tier course. It could use more accuracy testers, but the land really isn't available for that. I think they did the best they could with what was available. I just really like the look and feel of the course with the rolling elevation changes and mature trees. The OB hole and pond hole are really good course design.

From talking to players, everyone is saying good things about the previously listed top tier must-play courses. (Thornfield, Cliff Drive, Blue Valley & Water Works) Waterworks is probably getting the gold star of this year's Worlds.

Of the next tier (very good courses) I did like Swope despite the repetitiveness. It's just a very beautiful park with big elevation changes and hole#13, the pro par four down in the corner, really makes the course. If you put a course like that in Houston where everything is almost pancake flat, it's the signature course in the entire town.

Haven't heard much about Rosedale or Prairie Center which I guess means people are enjoying them okay.

Of the middle tier, Pleasant Hill has howler monkeys in the zoo across the street who apparently 'razz' players when they are putting, which is reportedly quite the comical scene. :D

I'm told that Shawnee has very, very little variety in hole distances with nearly every hole playing to an effective distance of about 350 feet. There are simply WAY too many 'push 3s' at this course.

As to Rosedale Down Under, the heavy rainpours on Tuesday made for a thoroughly miserable experience where it was impossible not to fall on your butt and get covered in mud. People seemed to enjoy it a lot more yesterday when the weather was sublime, but while it's not a bad course overall, it's simply not up to the level of all the other KC area courses. Paul Wright certainly must have enjoyed it, as he aced TWO holes there yesterday: hole#18 in his morning round, and hole#12 in the afternoon round! :eek:

Hey Jeff L,
I dont know if this is easy, tough or downright a pain in the cushion...but, is there anyway that the course being played can be named on the live scoring page. You know, Open women, round 4, and then name of course. I know it can be looked up, but it would be cool if that got upgraded. Just an idea, not a request.

2010 - Middle Ohio (Am)I have some of the course names at home. If you e-mail me I'll send them to you.

Meanwhile, seven holes into today's round Val gets a two-stroke birdie-bogie turnaround on Des and goes up by one. Go, Val. Go, Val.

Since when is Rio Linda in Socal? Isn't it enough you guys take most of our water? ;)

haha, that made me spit up in my tea... we left you folsom lake...

Meanwhile, seven holes into today's round Val gets a two-stroke birdie-bogie turnaround on Des and goes up by one. Go, Val. Go, Val.Wow. Des has had a rough few holes, bogie, bogie, bogie, and Val is now up by 4. Birgitta and Des are now tied for second. Birgitta has had a pretty steady par, par, par kind of round. Wrote too soon. Another bogue and des is in third.

avery was seen sporting a new elbow protector sponsored by BALCO...










i kid avery, i know your work ethics... keep it going AJ !!

Avery seems to be in the zone, leading by nine now!

We will resume live scoring coverage this afternoon by covering the Open division lead card as they tackle the exciting Cliff Drive (Kessler Park) course.


Follow Avery Jenkins, Nikko Lacastro, Josh Anthon, and defending World Champion Dave Feldberg as they play the par 57 layout.

Where's the page with all the aces listed on it. Don't know if there is one but remember one from last year.

Just Curious

Oscar Stenfelt with a 42 in the MJ2 to go up by 16!

Oscar Stenfelt with a 42 in the MJ2 to go up by 16!

He is in the wrong division.
He should be playing with the Pro's!!!

He is in the wrong division.
He should be playing with the Pro's!!!

He played open i Stockholm Open. Lost playoff for second to Jesper Lundmark. His score was one stroke better than Climo and Doss last year....

H�wever, it's nice to win a junior title, but he'll probably soon go pro.

He is in the wrong division.
He should be playing with the Pro's!!!


One of these days will get Oscar and Lil Wiggins together, That would be a battle. Oscar only has him by a year, Lil Wiggins just turned 14. Im sure Lil Wiggins wouldn't mind though, he fears nada.

Avery is running away from the field, in the strongest OPEN division EVER for Worlds!!
The ROC really is the best midrange ever.

Where's the page with all the aces listed on it. Don't know if there is one but remember one from last year.

Just Curious

Did ya check the 2009 PDGA World Championships Media Page? (http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009)<!-- content-left --> <!-- content-main --> <!-- main -->;)

playing with numbers....


val after 4 rounds averaging a 994 rating !

that would place her a fraction behind Schweberger (avg 995) in 48th in Mens A Pool !!

Wow!

Team Jenkins baby!!

http://www.pdga.com/2009-pdga-world-championships-ace-list


Where's the page with all the aces listed on it. Don't know if there is one but remember one from last year.

Just Curious

You know Schwebby loves that post...

avery and leroy leading jim and james conrad by 4 for the father-son championship...

any predictions for the next round in the Open?

-14? for the hot round....

Btw, Oscar is actually 16, but that doesn't change his skilles.

Did ya check the 2009 PDGA World Championships Media Page? (http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009)<!-- content-left --> <!-- content-main --> <!-- main -->;)

That's too hard! Much easier to ask here, then someone would post the direct link...

Mission Accomplished.

Seems like there were a lot more aces at this point last year.

your welcome :rolleyes::eek:

Don't you love it when someone edits out their question after you answer it?

That's too hard! Much easier to ask here, then someone would post the direct link...

Mission Accomplished.

Seems like there were a lot more aces at this point last year.

dont think this list is updated... there was mention on the 'live update' on the WORLDS MEDIA PAGE of at least 3 others

is the live scoring being updated?

You know Schwebby loves that post...

at least i didn't mention who she'd be beating ;)


"thumbers is cheatin' son"

is the live scoring being updated?Yes, now that they've actually started playing.

is the live scoring being updated?


You can't get it in Florida.:p

This just in.......Avery did NOT birdie the second hole in the 5th round of play.........I repeat, Avery did NOT birdie the second hole of the 5th round of play.

Lol :)

dont think this list is updated... there was mention on the 'live update' on the WORLDS MEDIA PAGE of at least 3 others

Check again. :p

Anyone friends with Juliana on Facebook or Twitter? She is giving the play-by-play of the Open Women lead card! It's great! Better than watching live scoring! Would be fantastic if there was someone following all the leader cards!

Thanks JK!!!

at least i didn't mention who she'd be beating ;)


"thumbers is cheatin' son"

just heard Schweb had to DNF during the 2nd round today... his back has been bad and the round started an hour behind schedule so I'm sure the waiting around didnt help things.

that sucks about schweb, he's always a joy to watch play.

get well brian.

Rosedale is really beating up Nicole Frazer. It will be interesting to see if any of the women chasing her can take advantage.

juliana's blog is pretty good.

josh picked up 3 strokes in the last 4 holes to trail avery by only 6 strokes...
lots of golf left

juliana's blog is pretty good.

josh picked up 3 strokes in the last 4 holes to trail avery by only 6 strokes...
lots of golf left

I am happy that Av is still holding on.
The pressure must be intense.
I hope he can find the strenght to make it to the end.

double bogie for Avery on 17... i'll bet he forgot what felt like! get back on the deuce train Avery!

is there a hold up on #18?

I heard Matt Orum shot some crazy round with an ace and is tied for the lead after the 5th round now.

I heard Matt Orum shot some crazy round with an ace and is tied for the lead after the 5th round now.

I was told a 45 with a 5 on his last hole. That's a disgusting score at Cliff Drive.

Sometimes they just don't bother with the last hole on live scoring.

it's so good it's banned in seven countries. it's so good it's a schedule II.

last hole of live scoring is up now. Avery with a 4, the rest of the card all 3's.

any predictions for the next round in the Open?

-14? for the hot round....

I guess the course map doesn't do much justice to the actual lay out.
Looking at the distances and how "open" the course looks, -14 should be easy.
But I just saw a photo of the course and it is wooded.
A lot more than it looks on the course map for sure.

I guess a 45 would put Orum 3 behind Jenkins. I will have a long talk with my sources and tell them to lay off the meds for a while. Mathematics has never been the average disc golfer's strongest academic field.

how long does it take to get all the scores of the Open?

added photos from various divisions, tuesday-swope, wednesday-rosedale, thursday-waterworks

http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/kc%20worlds%2009/

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/kc%20worlds%2009/kcw003.jpg

Wiggins Jr. apparently finished his round at Blue Valley with a birdie 3 on the 739' hole#17, and an eagle 3 on the 856' uphill pro par five 18th hole! :eek:

Wow, Great shooting Matto... representing Alabama and the SN!!!

Also... I'm dissapointed at the lack of video coverage (unless I'm missing something...)
If you want good coverage... pay for my food and lodging and send me to worlds one day :P... round by round updates.... every night

Wiggins Jr. apparently finished his round at Blue Valley with a birdie 3 on the 739' hole#17, and an eagle 3 on the 856' uphill pro par five 18th hole! :eek:

The most shocking thing about that...

I'm not shocked at all.

The kid is unreal - and for as amazing as a talent he is, his maturity, personality and attitude for the game eclipses that.

you can do it Avery !!!!!!!

The most shocking thing about that...

I'm not shocked at all.

The kid is unreal - and for as amazing as a talent he is, his maturity, personality and attitude for the game eclipses that.

MTL is right on the money there. David is a credit to his parents and the game. Anyone that is lucky enough to have meet/played with him would agree.

MTL is right on the money there. David is a credit to his parents and the game. Anyone that is lucky enough to have meet/played with him would agree.

With this bunch of junior level players, it is going to be TOTALLY SCARY in Open in about 10 years.

Don't you love it when someone edits out their question after you answer it?

this forum should have rules!!

Wow, Great shooting Matto... representing Alabama and the SN!!!

Also... I'm dissapointed at the lack of video coverage (unless I'm missing something...)
If you want good coverage... pay for my food and lodging and send me to worlds one day :P... round by round updates.... every night

word. i will pay for the first day. keep him all week. would be dope. disc golf is in the air.

just not on it.

Rosedale is really beating up Nicole Frazer. It will be interesting to see if any of the women chasing her can take advantage.



cmon michigan

Does anyone know what percentage of the field makes it to the semifinals? And what percentage cashes? I'm sure it's different for different divisions.

Is this posted somewhere? Do the players know?

Is this posted somewhere? Do the players know?

Yes and Yes - In the players guide everyone got at check-in as well as at the host hotel.

KC Journal Day 6:

Someone let LaGrassa out of the scoring room for air so he can sort cards by HOT rounds going back as far as necessary as has been done for Every tournament in the 14 years I've played this sport (and I'm pretty sure before that) :)
By the way I'm not the only person who wonders what it up with that - Even the TD's are saying that they are told NOT to change the boards to the CORRECT sort - instead of some unexplainable sorting system.

Played Swope and Wyco today - At Swope I finally got my first 2 at worlds on the first hole of the round, then missed EIGHT other chances from inside or within 5 feet of the painted 10 meter circle before getting the 2nd 2 with 2 holes to go - Sadly all but 1 misses were chain holder hits. (you think after the first few I would have tilted the putter nose down a bit :( )
On to Wyco - My second favorite picturesque course at Worlds that I play, arriving almost 4 hours before the next round at 3PM. Wind is blowing stady at 10-15 with gusts at 20-25 pretty much the whole round which I love!
About 1/2 an hour before start, I practice all different angles from 15ft to the edge of the circle and miss only around 5 total.
I start off with a 2 and two holes later another 2 and sadly after getting SEVEN more drives to the circle or within a few feet of the circle I have the 2nd hottest round to 1000+ rated Eric "Roady" Roadhouse with just those two 2's - with this round missing ALL SEVEN off of the tray (you think after the first few I would have tilted the putter nose UP a bit :( )

Lorelei played Pleasant Hill Lake Course twice today shooting pretty goods rounds for her - getting the closest scores to Gabriella than she has had all week.
She is in the first 2 pictures in the set of Juniors pictures from Swope during their second round on Tuesday here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pdga/sets/72157621889393374/
For those of you wondering if she is having fun - look at what in her hands and read the caption to the first picture :)

After Lorelei returned to the Host hotel after the Juniors trip to Oceans of Fun we had dinner with the Stroh's from California at the BBQ place in the gas station that has the highest rated BBQ in Kansas City. It stops letting people in at 8:30 PM and when we arrived a few minutes before that the line was out the door. 90% of the people insdie were disc golfers including the Readings, Voakes, and about 70 others.

Last playing round for me is at Swope at 11 AM, and Lorelei at Waterworks, and then we all will be watching the Hall of Fame inductions at the Banquet at Grinders.

My goals at Swope will be to NOT hit the chainholder or cage, except from the inside. :) - and to play ONE decent round at Worlds scorewise.

More tomorrow night after Grinders,

Keith

PS. - Have the scorers figured out the sort yet? :)

word. i will pay for the first day. keep him all week. would be dope. disc golf is in the air.

just not on it.

haha

Maybe they will realize one day.. it doesn't take a big production company to do this.. a kid with a video camera and a laptop works too :P

I did this DURING the uswdgc last year in huntsville http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuaGgEQFOKY It was online during the afternoon round.

I did this a week after the event.. took a while but came out great :D
http://blip.tv/file/962015

and one of 08 bg ams finals http://blip.tv/file/793978

i was hoping they would get the Clash guys (Billy Crump) to do some coverage... he's had some good coverage @ some other big tourneys

I have to agree, really wish there were more pictures and vids up, more rapidly!! Put a camera/vid guy/gal @ every course and let them roam around with that pool..IMO, I think people/disc golfers abroad want to see alot of footage!!..i know i do!!

maybe next year have a team of rouge video people doing coverage... lol

Live commentary with hole by hole photos starts just after 8am CDT for Open Men at Cliff Drive via Twitpics/Twitter feed on the PDGA Worlds Media page http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009. That's in addition to the Live Scoring for Open Men, Women and GMs this morning. I'll be posting online with phone coverage from the course from Bill Newman and Addie Isbell.

Live commentary with hole by hole photos starts just after 8am CDT for Open Men at Cliff Drive via Twitpics/Twitter feed on the PDGA Worlds Media page http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009. That's in addition to the Live Scoring for Open Men, Women and GMs this morning. I'll be posting online with phone coverage from the course from Bill Newman and Addie Isbell.


huh. that sounds like an exceptional solution to all of the usual excuses and a great alternative to nothing at all.

good work, chuck, bill, and addie.

At the USDGC 2001, they had a camera on hole #17, 4 days in a row!
(great for me cuz' I birdied it 4 out of 4 and my sponsor saw me do it at his house/John Houck in Texas).

Last year coverage was better(Worlds) but mainly because people would go out and put stuff on youtube.

Right now I am very greatfull for all the players who make an effort to keep us posted!!!

If I would be on the same continent, I would be there for sure! But I am not...

It started....

sort cards by HOT rounds going back as far as necessary as has been done for Every tournament in the 14 years I've played this sport (and I'm pretty sure before that) :)
By the way I'm not the only person who wonders what it up with that - Even the TD's are saying that they are told NOT to change the boards to the CORRECT sort - instead of some unexplainable sorting system.

Keith, I think you've getting too much fresh air because you obviously haven't thought this one through. :D

After a shuffle where there were multiple pools, ties in total score CANNOT be broken using previous rounds because the competitors may have played different courses! Is it fair to break the tie on the previous round when one pool may have played Wyandotte County Park (par 59) and the other pool played Waterworks Park (par 55) which was what happened with the Advanced M & N pools? In those cases, PDGA numbers MUST be used to break the ties in total score.

Otherwise, all ties are indeed broken by hot round going as far back as necessary.

The most shocking thing about that...

I'm not shocked at all.

The kid is unreal - and for as amazing as a talent he is, his maturity, personality and attitude for the game eclipses that.

CORRECT, Those of us that are fortunate to play and know him, are not surprised. He has a great attitude for the game, and personna. He makes Open players want to age onto masters asap. A challenging par 4 in the open field would have to be some where in the vicinity of 1500 ft. Shorter than that may be a drop in 3. Great kid, 14yrs. You will see him again soon, probably at USDG. Go getem LilBig Wig

Josh Anthon is shooting lights out and Avery Jenkins' lead, which was at one point in the tournament a whopping nine throws, is gone. :eek:

whoa, JA birdies the first 7/8 holes to TIE AJ....

ja vs aj here we go...............

call me greedy while letting me know if two card live scoring is possible.

WOW Josh is really turning on the heat! Only 2 pars through 9 holes and with that he takes the lead from Avery!

new leader

call me greedy while letting me know if two card live scoring is possible.

I call you greedy lol

I don't know about you but I am going back and forth between, twitter, 3 courses and checking what everybody is doing at the same time....

Hard work let me tell you....hahaha

yeah, the double tweet is cool, thanks juliana, chuck, bill and addie.

GM race is heating up as well, dave & the 2 jims all within a few strokes!

call me greedy while letting me know if two card live scoring is possible.Call me a pedophile, but I'd like to see some live scoring of the amateur women's lead card. Seriously, everyone in my house cares more about Becca vs Paige than Avery vs Whoever.

Go Val!

Josh Anthon is shooting lights out and Avery Jenkins' lead, which was at one point in the tournament a whopping nine throws, is gone. :eek:

It was 10 strokes in the middle of the 5th round, But Anthon has a history of this. He made up 6 strokes the last round on Coda at the 2005 KC Wide Open, He came from 6 strokes back to force a playoff at the Okie NT.

It's not like you can control when you are about to get in the zone, but I think he got hot too early.

Bold prediction here.....I think someone on the 2nd card is gonna win


By the way PHIL ARTHUR is AWESOME!!!!! Bring it home to GA!! and if Brad can sneak into 2nd, that would be HUGE for Georgia Golf

Jim Myers just had a 2 on Wyandotte County Park - Hole 10 ....516 feet...!!!! to tie with Dave again.(Gmasters)

If Josh Anthon were to finish with three birdies it would be an 1100 rated round.

Jim Myers just had a 2 on Wyandotte County Park - Hole 10 ....516 feet...!!!! to tie with Dave again.(Gmasters)

WyCo hole#10 is only 351 feet.

Mitch McClellan aced it yesterday. :cool:

WyCo hole#10 is only 351 feet.

Mitch McClellan aced it yesterday. :cool:

on playdg.com it says that it is 516?

is round 6 the semi's?

There's a shorter pin not listed on playdg.com.

is round 6 the semi's?

looking @ this http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8104&include_ratings=1

it looks like it goes round 6 then semis (aka rnd 7) then finals

i guess the semis and the finals are tomorrow then? i thought there was only 1 round on sat.

There's a shorter pin not listed on playdg.com.

Must be at 350 �h? lol

I like that playdg.com.
I am gonne put our 2 courses in there as well for all you foreigners hahaha

anyone with any word on the Am side? wanted to see how my Carolinians are doing (Kinkel 2nd, Keatts 3rd, Wiggins 5th)

let's go no spin!

Here is the link for Saturday's LIVE show which is scheduled to start at 3pm and run until 6 or 7pm depending on when things wrap up at Blue Valley Park.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mltnbb (Then Click "Proceed to site")

Or copy/paste this: mms://75.125.198.226:2355

It may prompt you to "Allow" it to run the program, please do so, it's simply a Windows Media Player window which will then stream the show online.

The link won't actually work until right before the show starts on Saturday at 3pm (Central), but make sure to spread it around to anyone who might be interested in listening to it.

Also if you're going to be in KC for the finals at Blue Valley, feel free to find my location stop by and say hi, It'll be a free-form show so who knows what to expect, besides disc golf coverage like it's never been heard before!

Thanks,
Steve Kuzenski
PDGA Radio's Host/Producer

let's go no spin!

He is tied again Paul.
And he better win this otherwise I am gonna give him a hard time for a whole year hahaha

He is tied again Paul.
And he better win this otherwise I am gonna give him a hard time for a whole year hahaha

i thought so too, but i think they corrected a mistake on the live scoring. we'll see shortly but it looked like he was one back going into the semis.

are semis today or tomorrow?

the schedule only has one round for friday, saturday says 8am Water Works.

what is the cut line for A pool?

it's gonna be a battle til the end, what a fantastic worlds !


and bruce, afraid you're in the minority here...better get a twitterer our there ;)

anyone with any word on the Am side? wanted to see how my Carolinians are doing (Kinkel 2nd, Keatts 3rd, Wiggins 5th)

Stack, lead card advance men (boys) is going to the semis with Matt Keatts laeding, and Lil Wigg tied for 3rd, YYYEEE HHAAAAA

advanced is in... 3 of top 3 (4 really) from the CAROLINAS!!!!

edit: looks like we got our info around the same time Rock... I'd be happy with any of those guys winning... all great guys (kids ;) !!!

actually just realized that if Keatts goes on to win not only would it be a repeat for NC it would also be a back to back title for Charlotte! GO GET EM BOYS!!!! Also big props to Cheebo who looks to be playing way above his player rating and moving up to 17th!

the schedule only has one round for friday, saturday says 8am Water Works.

what is the cut line for A pool?

it's gonna be a battle til the end, what a fantastic worlds !


and bruce, afraid you're in the minority here...better get a twitterer our there ;)

Pedophiles get no respect. The Advanced Women's division is looking like it could be a photo finish too.

Go Keatts...Go Wiggins...NC leading the charge. I wasn't there, but I'll bet Matt shot a "quiet" 48 lol. Looks like an exciting finale, they're both great guys I know they'll finish strong.

some great battles going on......


nice shooting nate (sexton), 3 oregonians in the top 6 !!

this is your year Avery, get it done, son.

oregon is the NEW disc golf mecca....

Go Keatts...Go Wiggins...NC leading the charge. I wasn't there, but I'll bet Matt shot a "quiet" 48 lol. Looks like an exciting finale, they're both great guys I know they'll finish strong.

now thats funny to anyone who has ever played with Matt... if he wins it'll be fun to watch on video. will be interesting to see if there is much emotion @ all. Actually Wiggins is like that too... very humble and reserved.

Does it rain a lot in NC...any worries about flooding...cause there is some serious sandbagging going on right now...

lol... was waiting for someone to say something like that. someone on our CLT msg board said 'bagtastic' in response to all of them being @ the top.

seriously though... with things being so close I dont know that I would call any of them baggers... the only real bagging i see would be Phil crushing everyone in Pro Masters. Are the scores right that he would be 1 stroke out of the lead in pro?! Don't get me wrong though... i think for worlds theres no such thing as bagging... if the PDGA allows you to play in a division then do it.

they haven't played the same courses.

Glad it got a chuckle...I meant it as a light hearted joke. ;-)

Does it rain a lot in NC...any worries about flooding...cause there is some serious sandbagging going on right now...

No, they just throw Innova which makes it seem that way.

No, they just throw Innova which makes it seem that way.

it definitely got a laugh... and its not all Innova... Blaine just got picked up by Discraft not to long ago. but it is kind of crazy to think 2 of them are sponsored (wiggins being of course w/ Innova)

so does anyone know if play is finished for the day for top Pros and Ams or are they playing semis now and only finals tomorrow?

it definitely got a laugh... and its not all Innova... Blaine just got picked up by Discraft not to long ago. but it is kind of crazy to think 2 of them are sponsored (wiggins being of course w/ Innova)

shouldn't that mean more about losing "am status" than accepting chump change at pDGA sanctioned gambling affairs? BAGGERS one and all!

shouldn't that mean more about losing "am status" than accepting chump change at pDGA sanctioned gambling affairs? BAGGERS one and all!
what does that even mean?

Wave!!!!!

McRee's only 6 back now... made some strokes up last round.... c'mon Brian!

what does that even mean?

it means the title "am" is bunk.

it means the title "am" is bunk.

are u serious??????????? you can't sponsor am's with product??????????????? are u insuating that jsut beacuse a person is sposored by a company he should be pro? david wiggins is 14 years old.

SJJJJJUUUUUURRRRRRRR tell jeff happy burfday!!!!!

it means the title "am" is bunk.


AMs are sponsored in alot sports. Basketball team I help coach has Adidas everything?! They ain't pro, their 12. But are pretty good at basketball for being 12.

sounds like md21954 should be sponsored by haterade! :P

good to hear from you Wave! you going to make it out to CLT in october?

Definition: "Amateur status" is what is held by any golfer who is still an amateur, and what is given up when an amateur golfer turns professional.
A golfer who has amateur status is one who has never accepted money in exchange for golf; e.g., has never accepted prize money for tournament play; has never been paid to endorse a product; has never accepted appearance fees, and so on.
this is from the usga..does he get paid for placing like the sponsored pros?does his entry get paid?if he does then it would seem that he is getting paid to endorse a product?

yes i know this is a ball golf definition but it seems amatuer status should be close to the same...a team being sponsored by a shoe company with new shoes clothes etc is differnt than an individual being sponsored.does the 12 year old team get an incentive to win?does wiggins?
im glad he can play so well at an early age and from what i hear hes a great young-adult i dont want this to seem like im picking on him but in my eyes sponsership is for pros

Going into the semis Kathy Hardyman is up by 5! Way to go DISC-DIVA!

No one has ever bagged more than Bobby Jones...

Keatts has come A LONG way in the last year. I remember his "coming out party" last year at the Dogwood Crosstown Classic, an A Tier.

He was like 930 and cashed taking merch. He took off after that and has been playing great golf - he has been vastly overshadowed by Kinkel and Wiggins.

I honestly would have picked these three top 3 from the beginning - I still think Wiggins pulls it out b/c he has the most experience in these situations, even at 14.

No matter what, if one of these three pull it off, we will have a classy am world champ (no offense to anyone else, just don't know them).

Is there any where online that tomorrow's finals schedule is posted?

How about who is playing in the finals? If the percentage was predetermined, what was it?

And where is the cash line in each division?

a team being sponsored by a shoe company with new shoes clothes etc is differnt than an individual being sponsored.does the 12 year old team get an incentive to win?does wiggins?

What is the difference in giving kids shoes or giving kids discs? this is ridiculous. amatuers are flowed product and being sponsored in every sport there is. plain and simple there is nothing wrong with being a sponsord am. as long as your not taking cash your not PRO. there is no discussion here period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

e.g., has never accepted prize money for tournament play; has never been paid to endorse a product; has never accepted appearance fees, and so on.

Dave has never taken money for any of these

a team being sponsored by a shoe company with new shoes clothes etc is differnt than an individual being sponsored.
How?

does the 12 year old team get an incentive to win?does wiggins?

Yes the team would not have been SPONSORED w/ shoes if they did not excel at the sport. where on your definition above does it say anything about incentives to playing goog being a part of being Pro? also i have no idea what david sponsorship intels but are you assuming there in performance incintives in the aggreement? how do you know?

I wonder if Keats has smirked even one grin? I love playing with the guy, I love trying to make him laugh, heck, talk during a round. He is a great guy and has always had game, he just has decided to get serious about it. (great timing Matt)

Wiggins is an am player and he has denied cash and has had MANY opportunities to take it. He will be taking cash very readily soon enough. What is wrong with him being sponsored with merchandise. All am's get some free merchandise along the way, should we be considered pros? I understand what you saying, I just don't think it is an argument that has a case.

Gallops, Friend, Sult playing well too.

Well, NC in the house........finish up fellas!

FWIW, David has never accepted any cash. We have made a major point of stating he is not accepting cash at every tournament he has placed highly in, in the professional division. If he played in only am events I'm sure he would be called a bagger by some. You can't please everyone. He has never received cash from Innova for personal achievements. I have paid his entry fee to every tournament he has ever played as well as the Innnova sponsored USDGC.

We try to go by the letter and spirit of the rules. The rules vary from sport to sport. I personally feel that it is entirely acceptable for a boy who only turned 14 years old 3 months ago to have a crack at winning the am worlds when he is clearly not good enough to win the pro worlds. He practices disc golf every day. He works hard mowing lawns to afford to buy his favorite collector discs. His room is full, literally overflowing, with disc golf discs, baskets, posters, DVD's etc

IMHO there are no professionals in disc golf. I define a professional as someone who makes their living at a particular endeavor. Nonetheless, as I said, we follow the letter and spirit of the rules as best we can interpret them.

Right now, I'd put his chances of winning at roughly 20 - 25 percent. His competitors are all worthy and playing well. They are all fine young men and I'm proud to feel they are my friends. However things turn out, the last 6 years I'm sure I will look back on as some of the best of my life because of the times my son and I have spent together, win or lose, rain or shine. It's all about the journey not the destination - and the love, the love of the sport, the friends we have met, the outdoors and the special personal moments we have shared. For all you disc golf Moms and Dads out there - go out and play it with your kids - life doesn't get any better than that. I'm signing off until after the finals. I'm on my vacation too after all :-)

where are the semi cuts listed??? What about times for the various finals, including the Juniors and other divisions that are too small for semis?

Well said Big Wig! It makes me look forward to the first time I get to play a round of Disc Golf with my 2 boys. You and your son are both a class act!

IMHO there are no professionals in disc golf.

agreed 100%. good luck tomorrow. congrats on a good show.

IMHO there are no professionals in disc golf. I define a professional as someone who makes their living at a particular endeavor.




You've met Dave Feldberg, haven't you?

where are the cuts posted? the only division I see cuts on is the Masters div.
arggggg

sponsered pros get incentives for winning /placing high w/e i just didnt know if there was any incentives for ams lets say innova said we will supply you with 40 disc this year as a sponsorship.now if you win worlds we will send you an additional 500 disc with your am worlds champ stamp...would that not be getting paid?as ive stated i dont know if there are incentives for am sponsored players but if there are i would think it would be shaky ground...

This was never ment to be a shot at wiggins sorry if it was taken as such.

sponsered pros get incentives for winning /placing high w/e i just didnt know if there was any incentives for ams lets say innova said we will supply you with 40 disc this year as a sponsorship.now if you win worlds we will send you an additional 500 disc with your am worlds champ stamp...would that not be getting paid?as ive stated i dont know if there are incentives for am sponsored players but if there are i would think it would be shaky ground...

This was never ment to be a shot at wiggins sorry if it was taken as such.

even if they gave him 1000 discs how is that getting paid? i dont know what you do for a living but if your company said they were going to 'pay' you in plastic for a week would you consider it getting paid? no ... they just gave you a bunch of free stuff.

and great reply by Big Wigg! honestly... david is only 14... even if he won Am worlds this year and wanted to come back again to try next year then good for him. as long as he's not accepted cash by then he would still be an Am. He would just be what he is today... a really good/skilled Am (who yes works wicked hard to get where he is).

Good luck to everyone from CACKILACKY tomorrow!!!

well if i my work said they would give me 1000 disc a week for pay i would consider it a raise since i could sell them cheep at 10$ each and make 10000$ a week how is this hard to understand...its not what they get its what they get it for if they are going off of incentives then its pay to me...maybe not to you..thats why this is a discussion board if not it would be a blog where you could tell me what you believe is correct

sponsered pros get incentives for winning /placing high w/e i just didnt know if there was any incentives for ams lets say innova said we will supply you with 40 disc this year as a sponsorship.now if you win worlds we will send you an additional 500 disc with your am worlds champ stamp...would that not be getting paid?as ive stated i dont know if there are incentives for am sponsored players but if there are i would think it would be shaky ground...

This was never ment to be a shot at wiggins sorry if it was taken as such.
u understand you are making ridiculous assumptions right? please give up these obsurd accusations

well if i my work said they would give me 1000 disc a week for pay i would consider it a raise since i could sell them cheep at 10$ each and make 10000$ a week how is this hard to understand...its not what they get its what they get it for if they are going off of incentives then its pay to me...maybe not to you..thats why this is a discussion board if not it would be a blog where you could tell me what you believe is correct
u r seriously beeting a dead horse. please refernece the cliche for ASSumptions. please stop posting on this subject!

So basicaly agree with me or stop posting..also kinda calling me an ASSumption..wonder what that was all about ... what accusations have i made? i KNOW that pros get incentives i DO NOT KNOW if ams do..and who are you to tell me what to do with my dead horse..i ask serious questions and you attack me ...nice...do you know if ams get incentives ?

So basicaly agree with me or stop posting..also kinda calling me an ASSumption..wonder what that was all about ... what accusations have i made? i KNOW that pros get incentives i DO NOT KNOW if ams do..and who are you to tell me what to do with my dead horse..i ask serious questions and you attack me ...nice...do you know if ams get incentives ?

How am i attacking you? your posts have insuated that a certain am might have perfornace incentives from a sponsor. total assumptions. i have not attacked you i have meerly asked you to look at your posts and discuss things in reality not baseless guesses.

so im guessing you dont know if there are incentives..if there were how would you feel about it..what would be too much of an incentive to be an am...only cash means your a pro?

FWIW, David has never accepted any cash. We have made a major point of stating he is not accepting cash at every tournament he has placed highly in, in the professional division. If he played in only am events I'm sure he would be called a bagger by some. You can't please everyone. He has never received cash from Innova for personal achievements. I have paid his entry fee to every tournament he has ever played as well as the Innnova sponsored USDGC.

We try to go by the letter and spirit of the rules. The rules vary from sport to sport. I personally feel that it is entirely acceptable for a boy who only turned 14 years old 3 months ago to have a crack at winning the am worlds when he is clearly not good enough to win the pro worlds. He practices disc golf every day. He works hard mowing lawns to afford to buy his favorite collector discs. His room is full, literally overflowing, with disc golf discs, baskets, posters, DVD's etc

IMHO there are no professionals in disc golf. I define a professional as someone who makes their living at a particular endeavor. Nonetheless, as I said, we follow the letter and spirit of the rules as best we can interpret them.

Right now, I'd put his chances of winning at roughly 20 - 25 percent. His competitors are all worthy and playing well. They are all fine young men and I'm proud to feel they are my friends. However things turn out, the last 6 years I'm sure I will look back on as some of the best of my life because of the times my son and I have spent together, win or lose, rain or shine. It's all about the journey not the destination - and the love, the love of the sport, the friends we have met, the outdoors and the special personal moments we have shared. For all you disc golf Moms and Dads out there - go out and play it with your kids - life doesn't get any better than that. I'm signing off until after the finals. I'm on my vacation too after all :-)

Well said and the best of luck to your son!!

only cash means your a pro?
Finally. Yes that is correct. look at my History. i have played a TON with my friend David Wiggins. have i ever asked him about his sponsorship....no. that is his business. i also know the company that he is sponsored by. do i think they would do something like an incentive for ams....no not at all not in a million years. do i know for a fact? no. do i have a better guess than you? i think so. would i care if they did. not in the least give them all the plastic in the world...product is not cash!!!!!! nough said on this subject....final words dave is the quintesential am love the wigginses!!!!!! good luck N.C Keatts good luck man if you pull it off that would be UNREAL good luck Wiggins if you don't come out on top come back next year. it is your right. good luck Gallops Cheebo, Garmon, Freind, and Sult. finish strong! N.C. is proud of you. PEACE

Dang it! I thought this thread was about Worlds. My bad. Can someone tell me where I can find it? Thanks.

right now it is about am worlds

Let's get back to the photos, videos etc. I would like to see a group pix of all the pools before they teed it up on the first round. There are players there I have not seen in years. Too bad no one has posted a greater variety of pix. We need Will there!
Another good photo opp would be pix of all the players from their home states.

Too bad no one has posted a greater variety of pix.
yeah, me too! where's the camera guys when you need them?

advanced from shawnee mission, thanks to phillip hall for the ride to the park

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