I am slightly confused on who is playing on Friday and Saturday and when. I assume there is a cut and then another cut but how will all that work out? Thanks.

Yep. everyone plays Friday, then the cut on Saturday to the Semi's (depends on pool size but plan top on 72 it looks like Advanced Men play Water Works all by themselves, so I would plan on that, but of course could change accordingly.) If that were the case, you should be done by noon, and could realistically be on the road to OKC by 3 or so, but then you'd miss the finals of the rest of the groups......seems silly to miss that for a few hours saved on windshield, where if you stay you may still be able to get to OKC by midnight if you left by 7. You wouldnt miss anything then......why in the WORLD wuold you want to miss the finals though?

I probably won't be able to play a practice round at every course so in what order should I play them to maximize my practice? I am playing MA1 so I think I am playing the following courses.

Blue Valley
Wyandotte County Park
Water Works
Shawnee Mission Park
Prairie Center



I've only personally played the Blue Valley and WaterWorks courses, so please take the following fwiw. But through a few e-mails to KC locals and reading various website postings, this is the impression I'm getting of the quality and ranking of the Worlds courses:

Top Tier (must-play courses):

Thornfield - Private course with several pro par fours.

Cliff Drive (Kessler Park) - Nice mix of open & woods. New concrete tees were just poured last month. Often windy.

Blue Valley - World class par 66 challenge; many pro par four holes which play over sick elevation changes and against often insane winds. Front nine is more technical than the back nine which is almost completely open.

Water Works - Plays through scattered old growth trees and some lofty elevation changes. Nice views of downtown. Only drawback is that all holes are par 3s.

Next Tier (very good courses):

Swope - Nice course with tree lined fairways over gentle elevation changes.

Rosedale Top: Open, windy course next to steep drop-offs into woods.

Wyandotte County Park (WyCo): Long open "prairie" course.

Prairie Center Park: Shorter open "prairie" course.

Middle Tier (good courses):


Pleasant Hill (Lake Shore Disc Golf Course): Plays along the shores of the lake with nice views of the water. Mostly open, flat par 54 course. Really the only course at Worlds with water hazards.

Shawnee Mission: Par 54 course, mix of open and woods.

Legacy Park: Nice mix of open and wooded holes.


Bottom Tier:

Rosedale Down Under: Pitch-n-putt through extremely tight, hilly woods. 17 of 18 holes less than 300 feet.

I'm sure locals who have played these courses will weigh in on the accuracy of the above info. :D

Yep. everyone plays Friday, then the cut on Saturday to the Semi's (depends on pool size but plan top on 72 it looks like Advanced Men play Water Works all by themselves, so I would plan on that, but of course could change accordingly.) If that were the case, you should be done by noon, and could realistically be on the road to OKC by 3 or so, but then you'd miss the finals of the rest of the groups......seems silly to miss that for a few hours saved on windshield, where if you stay you may still be able to get to OKC by midnight if you left by 7. You wouldnt miss anything then......why in the WORLD wuold you want to miss the finals though?

So 2 rounds on Tuesday, 2 rounds on Wednesday, 1 round on Thursday and 1 round on Friday for everyone. Then a cut Friday night and the top 72 play on Saturday morning. If you have the top 4 you play in the finals that afternoon. Is that accurate?

I don't plan on missing anything, just want to know my options.

http://kcworlds.com/schedule

depends on your division. It is not everyone shoots 2-2-1-1

Open Pool plays 1-2-2-1
for example

I suggest you look over the schedule to review your division and pool assignments based on division to determine your days of play.

http://kcworlds.com/schedule

depends on your division. It is not everyone shoots 2-2-1-1

Open Pool plays 1-2-2-1
for example

I suggest you look over the schedule to review your division and pool assignments based on division to determine your days of play.

Sorry I didn't nest the threads but earlier on I indicated is was in Advanced. I did look at the scheudle, and the Tuesday - Friday part is clear. The Saturday part isn't clear from the publuished schedules. Looking forward to a power Worlds!

no big deal, if you're thining it, someone else probably is as well!!

Bottom Tier:

Rosedale Down Under: Pitch-n-putt through extremely tight, hilly woods. 17 of 18 holes less than 300 feet.

So the Am Women get two rounds on the worst course?

It's all relative. Might be worst for Open but very appropriate for the Am Women skill level.

Worst is probably not the best term for Rosey DU, or any of the courses for that matter. That, to me would be like saying a triple cheeseburger is the best, but that a single is the worst. The single might not fill my appetite, but it's still tasty, and maybe I just need two or three of 'em.

Worst kind of makes it sound like it sucks. Rosey DU is one of my favorites. I'm not playing there for the World's competition, but I'll definately be attempting to round up a $5 dubs game there with some friends (and whoever) sometime that week when we wouldnt' be conflicting with scheduled play.

The girls don't need Blue Valley length to separate scores. Trust me, the lines there (at Rosey DU) will do just fine in doing that.

Rosedale DU puts a premium on accuracy. Not worse, just different. Blue Valley puts a premium on distance off the tee, not worse, just different.

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I can't wait for this thing to start. We are looking forward to the DU course. It sounds like it's perfect for my kids game. I was actually thinking about putting in a bid for a future AM worlds but after the scrutiny the KC guys have been thru I am having second thoughts. I'm shure this is going to be one of the best worlds ever. ROC ON KC

So the Am Women get two rounds on the worst course?

Look at my profile. Down Under is/was my favorite course in KC. I would love to play that in a worlds competition. You are taking one person's perspective who does not live here as gospel. Trust the crew here to put on courses that balance all play levels and all things were taken into consideration. In 2003 we had quite a few people shoot lower rounds at WyCo (I think it was set at like 6800') than they did at the 4200' down under. That to me was fair and balanced, and put it to the people that just throw long. Down under is about control and accuracy. Take a roc, putter, and a driver you can control at 75% in my mind and you'll do well. the other thing about Down Under is that you have to remember to breathe, and hit your lines. Its really our only all technical course in town.

worst course......the worst course in Kansas City is not being used for the worlds.....its gotta be in someone's backyard......

If you want more opinions on the Rosedale Down Under course, read the ones at DGCourseReview.com (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/reviews.php?id=1779&mode=rev). Common threads seem to be the uber-tight fairways, presence of schule, lack of diversity, & 'luck factor' of the course.

I placed it in the tier I did based on from what I've read and from direct feedback from competitors who played there at the last Am Worlds held in Kansas City. (most of whom whacked a lot of trees and may have been biased) :D

Keep in mind however, that everything is relative. To wit, I've played a bunch of courses in the state of Massachusetts as well as in the state of Louisiana. Personally, my lowest ranked course in the state of Massachusetts is still ranked higher than my highest ranked course in the state of Louisiana. This example should show that just because Rosedale Down Under is ranked below the other courses, does not mean it is a "bad" course.

My daughter is currently signed up to play in the U16 girls division. She also wants to play doubles. There are not enough junior girls to play doubles in the junior girls division. What are her options? Can she play in the U16 boys division doubles? Can she play in the mixed doubles competition?

Rick

PS..........I looked at the "Schedule by Pool" on http://kcworlds.com/, and it looks like the only pool playing Rosedale Down Under twice is pool R (MG1). Am I looking at the right schedule?

If you want more opinions on the Rosedale Down Under course, read the ones at DGCourseReview.com (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/reviews.php?id=1779&mode=rev). Common threads seem to be the uber-tight fairways, presence of schule, lack of diversity, & 'luck factor' of the course.

I placed it in the tier I did based on from what I've read and from direct feedback from competitors who played there at the last Am Worlds held in Kansas City. (most of whom whacked a lot of trees and may have been biased) :D

Keep in mind however, that everything is relative. To wit, I've played a bunch of courses in the state of Massachusetts as well as in the state of Louisiana. Personally, my lowest ranked course in the state of Massachusetts is still ranked higher than my highest ranked course in the state of Louisiana. This example should show that just because Rosedale Down Under is ranked below the other courses, does not mean it is a "bad" course.



I miust admit I have played some pretty bad hole in LA which require you to punch through a thicket of woods about 75ft before the basket but I have also played some decent courses in the state.

I enjoyed Highland Road in Baton Rouge from the long tees as I would assume SSA to be around 51 or so. Supposedly there are good courses in Monroe as well as Lafranier(sp?) in NO. The Duzee in Lafayette was pretty coll with plenty of trees and a record of 52-53.

Better than the majority of H-town courses anyway.

Hey jack,
Any idea on how long the players mtng will be on Mon? I've got family coming in and need to plan accordingly

I've only personally played the Blue Valley and WaterWorks courses, so please take the following fwiw. But through a few e-mails to KC locals and reading various website postings, this is the impression I'm getting of the quality and ranking of the Worlds courses:

Top Tier (must-play courses):

Thornfield - Private course with several pro par fours.

Cliff Drive (Kessler Park) - Nice mix of open & woods. New concrete tees were just poured last month. Often windy.

Blue Valley - World class par 66 challenge; many pro par four holes which play over sick elevation changes and against often insane winds. Front nine is more technical than the back nine which is almost completely open.

Water Works - Plays through scattered old growth trees and some lofty elevation changes. Nice views of downtown. Only drawback is that all holes are par 3s.

Next Tier (very good courses):

Swope - Nice course with tree lined fairways over gentle elevation changes.

Rosedale Top: Open, windy course next to steep drop-offs into woods.

Wyandotte County Park (WyCo): Long open "prairie" course.

Prairie Center Park: Shorter open "prairie" course.

Middle Tier (good courses):


Pleasant Hill (Lake Shore Disc Golf Course): Plays along the shores of the lake with nice views of the water. Mostly open, flat par 54 course. Really the only course at Worlds with water hazards.

Shawnee Mission: Par 54 course, mix of open and woods.

Legacy Park: Nice mix of open and wooded holes.


Bottom Tier:

Rosedale Down Under: Pitch-n-putt through extremely tight, hilly woods. 17 of 18 holes less than 300 feet.

I'm sure locals who have played these courses will weigh in on the accuracy of the above info. :D

Just a few questions: as debated early on I am slow and somewhat Backward

what do you consider "lofty elevation changes." ? may son and I's private course has a 391' uphill annie with a elevation differance of plus 30 feet. tee is at 810 feet above sea level basket at 840 feet above sea level.(from topo, I'm a retired engineer)

what is tight wooded? we have holes here in North Carolina that you can not drive a golf cart down with out hitting a tree. (some you can't ride I bike down them)

What is the poison ivy, oak, and sumac situation on Kansas City courses? As I'm sitting here scratching through my dermal layers, I find myself wondering what to pack as far as prevention, treatment, etc..

what do you consider "lofty elevation changes." ? may son and I's private course has a 391' uphill annie with a elevation differance of plus 30 feet. tee is at 810 feet above sea level basket at 840 feet above sea level.(from topo, I'm a retired engineer)

what is tight wooded? we have holes here in North Carolina that you can not drive a golf cart down with out hitting a tree. (some you can't ride I bike down them)

Waterworks and Blue Valley have some of the biggest elevation changes I've seen at any of the 200+ courses I've played over the last 15 years, excluding ski resort courses. Elevation changes of 30-50 feet on one hole are not uncommon. When most Kansas courses are pancake flat, it was surprising to me that just a couple of miles over the border into Missouri there would be such dramatic elevation changes.

From what I understand, other than Rosedale Down Under you will not see tightly wooded holes at most of these courses. And the fairways at RDU are still wider than the gauntlet holes one might find in North Carolina, the mid-Atlantic States or New England.

I enjoyed Highland Road in Baton Rouge from the long tees as I would assume SSA to be around 51 or so.

Highland Road was the best of the LA courses I played - some nice rolling elevation changes and holes 2,4 & 8 are pro par four holes. But the back nine was kind of boring, imo, and some of the schule was outrageous. Hole#6 and hole#13, where you basically just throw into a bunch of schule and hope to land close to the basket, were especially annoying.

What is the poison ivy, oak, and sumac situation on Kansas City courses? As I'm sitting here scratching through my dermal layers, I find myself wondering what to pack as far as prevention, treatment, etc..
Along those lines ...

Are the chiggers bad in KC generally?

What is the poison ivy, oak, and sumac situation on Kansas City courses? As I'm sitting here scratching through my dermal layers, I find myself wondering what to pack as far as prevention, treatment, etc..

The best prevention is to use a high SPF suntan lotion. This will keep the oil from being absorbed into the skin. You can also use Cortaid Poison Ivy care removal scrub. This will remove the poison ivy oil from the skin.

The best prevention is to use a high SPF suntan lotion. This will keep the oil from being absorbed into the skin. You can also use Cortaid Poison Ivy care removal scrub. This will remove the poison ivy oil from the skin.

What about the amount of plants at each course. Is there an abundance of it, very little around? Which courses should extra precautions need to be taken? Which courses do we need not worry with it?

Most of us who are highly allergic to poison ivy/oak know the precautions, what we don't know (since I've not played any of these courses) is how thick it will be at each location.

Thanks in advance for any help here.

Are pin positions this weekend the 11th where they will be for worlds? blue valley, waterworks, wyco, prairie, shawnee...

thanks

What about the amount of plants at each course. Is there an abundance of it, very little around? Which courses should extra precautions need to be taken? Which courses do we need not worry with it?

Most of us who are highly allergic to poison ivy/oak know the precautions, what we don't know (since I've not played any of these courses) is how thick it will be at each location.

Thanks in advance for any help here.

Thank you Tom. The amount of plants is what I was questioning. Not what methods to use for prevention.

There is an abundance of Ivy poison on most courses in KC. Plan accordingly to run into it on EVERY COURSE, some thicker than others, but lets just say that I do not think that there is one course in town without it. Cliff Drive/Blue Valley/SMP/Thornfield/Down Under in particular because, well they are new, or have growth (DU). It takes time to get it out, and remove it, quite a few places in Cliff have it, as well as BV and SMP, it is a low item to remove on the P&R side, so it stays unless we attack it, and getting 11 courses ready...well....it moves to the lowest priority for us as well.....Sorry.

The players meeting should not last more than 2 hours, I am hoping for 90 minutes in all honesty. I think it will be, but would rather be safe than give wrong information.

Down Under is tight, elevation changes in KC are varied quite a bit. Jeff is correct that they are some of the biggest differences outside of mountains and ski resorts that I have seen (I am close to 400 courses now....)

Cliff Drive does have quite a few holes (2-6) that are in teh woods, some people locally still call it poke and hope, but I can tell you that there are lines in all of them with multiple options. Hole #4 is going to be the biggest complaint, yet I can do an anhusyer, a huyser, a sky huyser and hit the green.......just go to the basket and look back at the pad, and you'll see them all.....but then again I am biased, and that is why Cliff Drive is now my personal favorite over the Down Under.....like saying you like your niece better than your daughter for me.....nope, I like the course a lot.

Water, Ivy Block, GAME. Bring these to KC and you'll do great!

I just wanted to make sure I am reading the schedule right that MPM play Rosedale (original), Swope, Blue Valley, Wyandotte, and Thornfield.
Also is Thornfield only available for practice on July 26th like the magazine says?
Thanks for your help.
Cris
PS - Which of these courses are closest together if I want to practice them?
Looking forward to coming to KC!

This Par Hop game sounds fun and a whole lot more LEGAL than the game I'm accustomed to (Object Street Golf). It works similarly only instead of throwing minis in a bar you throw over streets, parking lots, buildings, etc. on your way to the next bar. Do no try this unless you are willing to go to jail. In all seriousness..I'm looking foward to a week of what I suspect will be quality golf and entertainment. See ya in KC.

This Par Hop game sounds fun and a whole lot more LEGAL than the game I'm accustomed to (Object Street Golf). It works similarly only instead of throwing minis in a bar you throw over streets, parking lots, buildings, etc. on your way to the next bar. Do no try this unless you are willing to go to jail. In all seriousness..I'm looking foward to a week of what I suspect will be quality golf and entertainment. See ya in KC.

Jerry: You see that mounted officer down the street?
Chester: Yes
Jerry: OK, then the target is the rear of the horse, par 5.

I just wanted to make sure I am reading the schedule right that MPM play Rosedale (original), Swope, Blue Valley, Wyandotte, and Thornfield.
Also is Thornfield only available for practice on July 26th like the magazine says?
Thanks for your help.
Cris
PS - Which of these courses are closest together if I want to practice them?
Looking forward to coming to KC!

Swope and Blue Valley are about 15 minutes apart....the rest are not really close to each other.....Thornfield I believe is going to open on the 25th, possibly the 24th, through Monday for practice, but that is not yet confirmed. We want to give players a chance to se it though, and we have to get the permission, then we will post accordingly.

Jack

Sorry to be a nuisance but did you see my question about the pin locations?

I know blue valley has some alternate pins. I have never played shawnee and don't remember if the other courses for the advanced field have alternate pin placements.

My question is... will the pins be moving during the tournament at all, and are the pin placements for this weekend the 11th going to be the placements used in the tournament?

Thanks

Sorry to be a nuisance but did you see my question about the pin locations?

I know blue valley has some alternate pins. I have never played shawnee and don't remember if the other courses for the advanced field have alternate pin placements.

My question is... will the pins be moving during the tournament at all, and are the pin placements for this weekend the 11th going to be the placements used in the tournament?

Thanks


I am not sure that all the courses are yet set, so I can not answer the question. I have instructed the team to have them set no later than the 19th. The pins will not move during the week.

Confirmations will be out shortly and will have the distances on the information, but may not have the pin settings (some holes have in excess of 7 pins at some courses) By the 19th most of the new tee signs should be in place and ready to go. I can tell you that Cliff Drive is in place with the World's setting (its my course, so I took it off the to-do list early) I will try to get Blue Valley set this weekend as well to ensure that it is ready. I believe that WyCo will be done on Friday before league, and Shawnee Mission Park is set, Swope has a few I know that will move, I think that Water Works is close, Down Under is getting new baskets, so it is not set yet, and the alternate configuration at Rosedale should happen in the next day or so. Olathe I think is close, but was being looked at last weekend, so may not yet have the changes implemented. They are all pretty close, but I can not guarantee they are all set, except Cliff Drive.

At the age of 17 I played in my first Am Worlds in 1996 (Augusta, GA)
I played Am Worlds in '97 (Grand Rapids, MI)
I played Am Worlds in '98 (Appleton, WI)
I played Am Worlds in '99 (Kansas City, KS/MO)
I played Pro Worlds in '00 (Ann Arbor, MI)
I played Pro Worlds in '01 (Twin Cities, MN)
I played Pro Worlds in '02 (Houston, TX)
I played Pro Worlds in '03 (Flagstaff, AZ)
I played Pro Worlds in '04 (Des Moines, IA)
I played Pro Worlds in '05 (Allentown, PA)
I played Pro Worlds in '06 (Augusta, GA)
I RAN Am Worlds in '07 (Milwaukee, WI)
I played Pro Worlds in '07 (Highbridge, WI)
I played Pro Worlds in '08 (Kalamazoo, MI)

Guess what? I'm playing in Pro Worlds in 2009 and I'm honored to be doing so.

THANK YOU TO JACK, CHAPPY, RICK AND THE ENTIRE CLUB AND STAFF! I'll see (most of) you in a few weeks and I'm ecstatic about that!

Along those lines ...

Are the chiggers bad in KC generally?

no worse than any other Upper Midwest setting, in wooded areas with thick but mowed grass.

In other words, they can be worthy of a military action.

Waldo Pizza (www.waldopizza.net): Choose from 4 crusts, 5 sauces, 11 cheeses (including vegan "mozzarella"), 20 meats/eggs, & 29 veggies (including several nuts). Soooo yummy; best 'za I've had west of the Mississippi. Also sandwiches & other stuff (but do not miss the pizza) & a decent beer selection with some local-ish offerings.

Thanks for the plug, Ray...I'm a former long-time Waldo employee/manager/peon, and still a fan after what's now almost 22 years of involvement in that operation to some extent.
BTW, Waldo will have a sponsor ad in the program. Roughly 100 beers at the Waldo location, not quite that many at the Lee's Summit location (sort of on the way to Pleasant Hill)
The vegan mozz is truly vegan, no casein or lactose or any other dairy ingredient. They also have gluten-free crusts and desserts. The salad bar, well, it's about unbeatable. Lunch buffet M-Sat 11-2, pizza and salad AYCE. You want real pizza?? Try the St Louis Style! :)

Pizza Shoppe is another pizza choice in KC, it's a local operation with 22 or so total franchises (well, local extends to Tulsa--Bixby, right at 131 and Memorial--and Omaha) and, while they are not as vegan friendly as Waldo, it's great stuff. And, they will be a sponsor as well, with a little something extra too. All I can say is, don't throw anything away without reading it first.

Jerusalem Cafe', in the Westport area (about halfway between Crown Center and Rosedale) is a Mediterranean restaurant which has won several "Best Vegetarian" local awards. They have amazing hummus and bobaganoush, their gyros are great, and they offer hookah as well. There's one right in Westport, one on 39th St, and the Jerusalem Bakery is a buffet version, also on Westport Road not far east from State Line.

LC's fries were once called, by a national barbecue rag of some kind, "the best fries in the universe". It's a lot like Bryant's was when Arthur, and his brother Charlie originally, had it. Cleanliness is secondary to amazing food. LC's is sort of off the path between Swope and Blue Valley, but not too bad. The original (and to most fans, ONLY) Bryant's is east of downtown at 18th and Brooklyn, not all that far from Cliff Drive, and as close to the path between Crown Center and Cliff as LC's as mentioned above.

Just a few questions: as debated early on I am slow and somewhat Backward

what do you consider "lofty elevation changes." ? may son and I's private course has a 391' uphill annie with a elevation differance of plus 30 feet. tee is at 810 feet above sea level basket at 840 feet above sea level.(from topo, I'm a retired engineer)

what is tight wooded? we have holes here in North Carolina that you can not drive a golf cart down with out hitting a tree. (some you can't ride I bike down them)

Wyatt, nothing that narrow here, at least not a full hole's length. There are some places where DU could be that narrow, but not many.

My rating is 834. I'm a hacker, but I love the game. DU is an amazing course in many ways.
Let's see...diversity of shots? The only thing really lacking is a wide open 300'+ fairway. Trees, yes, BUT IT'S IN THE WOODS! Shule? yep, SAME REASON! steep dropoffs? yep, and some steep uphill climbs if you go the OTHER wrong way. There's a mix of lefty/righty holes, although righty does predominate (RHBH, at least).
I also like BV, and there are a lot of similarities in reality--a short-arm player can do quite well at both by having good placement of short shots. I won't ever win a singles round at DU, but I can hold my own. At BV, no, I won't even hold my own, but I've thrown low 70s there, which for me is pretty amazing.

Water Works is a series of fairly steep hills. #1 drops something like 30' in 250' or so, then back up to original elevation, then slopes to the longer pins. There two major problems when playing Water Works--walking and rolling. Walking for the player, rolling for the discs and bags. You've never been "Water Worked" until you've truly been "Water Worked".

BV doesn't have elevations as severe, except #7 which is a long downhill, and #10 which is a rather steep uphill. I don't have elevations on any of these, unfortunately, but if I can reclaim my GPS I will do what I can.

Decent pictures are on www.playdg.com. It doesn't show WW as it looks when you're on the pad, though...And, the Cliff Drive pics are a bit out of date--some changes have been made, improvements for the vast majority of them, and a lot of the wooded holes are a bit more open than now. Tee pads make it a different experience than anytime before. It's pretty amazing for the most part.

And, the playdg.com description of Prairie Center is outdated. Holes 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 have been totally redone, running essentially backwards to what is on that page. #15 tees across a pond. There's now only 1 big open hole, #14, and that has a fairly tight woods on the left immediately from the tee.

I'll also try to get some pics of Down Under. I was there yesterday, it is amazing. Scares the bejeebers out of me sometimes, but I love it.

I took some decent pictures of Rosedale Down Under today.

NO promises on where pins are relative to where they will be for Worlds.

But, to start no matter what, this is the gateway to Down Under. It's along the right side of 1 Top, next to the C pin placement. Down the path, down the steps, down another path, and there's Tee 1. I think a Flickr account is more appropriate for this overall.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/

the pics were generally taken from the back of the teepad.

DISCLAIMER:
This is not a critique or evaluation of the course, but there are comments about each hole regarding terrain and general pin locations. I do not have anything in terms of hole length, or accurate elevation changes.

I've only personally played the Blue Valley and WaterWorks courses, so please take the following fwiw. But through a few e-mails to KC locals and reading various website postings, this is the impression I'm getting of the quality and ranking of the Worlds courses:

Top Tier (must-play courses):

Thornfield - Private course with several pro par fours. I haven't played it yet, which is sad. All reports give top ratings. Be sure to thank the property owners for letting us use this course, should the opportunity arise.

Cliff Drive (Kessler Park) - Nice mix of open & woods. New concrete tees were just poured last month. Often windy. Fishing pond, not affecting the course. Nice walking/biking on Cliff Drive on the weekends, when the road is closed. Not sure if rock climbing is still allowed or not, but this is a great place to do it. Close to downtown.

Blue Valley - World class par 66 challenge; many pro par four holes which play over sick elevation changes and against often insane winds. Front nine is more technical than the back nine which is almost completely open.
the back 9 at BV is MOSTLY open, but excepting 17&18 there are trees potentially involved everywhere. 17 & 18 are tough. Playground, fishing pond (well, maybe to catch and release), shelters, Executive course. Near the Truman Sports Complex.

Water Works - Plays through scattered old growth trees and some lofty elevation changes. Nice views of downtown. Only drawback is that all holes are par 3s.
If you haven't played WW, you're in for an experience. You think you've played hills? Excluding mountain courses, this will work you as hard as anything you've had nightmares about. But, it's a blast, and beautiful. Playground.

Next Tier (very good courses):

Swope - Nice course with tree lined fairways over gentle elevation changes.
and possibly the best gallery opportunities anywhere. Stay near the clubhouse, you can see parts of nearly every hole, and all of most of the holes. Picnic tables. Near the KC Zoo, Lakeside Nature Center, and Starlight Theater.
Rosedale Top: Open, windy course next to steep drop-offs into woods.
Open? Woods everywhere around the perimeter, not always wide fairways. Most holes have trees in play somewhere or another. #8 island is second only to #2 Prairie Center island, as far as island holes. Classic course design, rarely close to another fairway (excluding 10/11) Playground, restrooms (well, maybe not....), tennis courts, skate park, softball field, shelter which will probably be used for tournament stuff.

Wyandotte County Park (WyCo): Long open "prairie" course.
WYCO has lots of trees which will affect most holes, even the long, open ones (13, 17). Water on #14. LOTS of woods that can eat your disc should you get in there. Skate park, tennis courts, playground, shelters, fishing pond adjacent to #14/15

Prairie Center Park: Shorter open "prairie" course.
Trees/brush/woods can be a part of every hole.. #10 is an arbor nursery. Water on #15, 14 potentially, and I've seen it from 16 even (great drive Mike...) Woods on the edges, esp the far back 5 holes. Tends to short overall, but trees and wind can counter that. Playground, restrooms, soccer/baseball fields, shelters, walking trail
THE playdg.com DESCRIPTION OF HOLES 12-16 IS OUTDATED. I'll take some pics of it today, if it stops raining, and put them on Flickr
PICS TAKEN AND POSTED TO FLICKR ADDRESS BELOW.

Middle Tier (good courses):


Pleasant Hill (Lake Shore Disc Golf Course): Plays along the shores of the lake with nice views of the water. Mostly open, flat par 54 course. Really the only course at Worlds with water hazards. Water is less in play than Prairie Center or WYCO, in reality. No crossing, only bordering. Fun course in a great park. Camping at Tee 1, shelters, "Savannaland" (a private zoo) across the street, which leads to lots of entertainment of itself. Fishing/boating A great course on which to relax and enjoy life for 18 holes.

Shawnee Mission: Par 54 course, mix of open and woods. brand new tee pads. HUGE, great park, walking/biking, fishing, boating, swimming beach, off-leash dog area nowhere near the course. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OR OTHER SUBSTANCES HERE. The fines are stiff and swift, from the Park Rangers. This is not a joke.

Legacy Park: Nice mix of open and wooded holes. not used in Worlds. Nice basic design, but needs proper maintenance.


Bottom Tier:

Rosedale Down Under: Pitch-n-putt through extremely tight, hilly woods. 17 of 18 holes less than 300 feet.
if you ain't played it, you can't comment about DU.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eupher61/ for pics taken 7/11/09
pitch n putt length, yes. Ease? Not at all. You may not need a driver, but you'll need every shot in your repertoire at some point or another, except a 350' of any kind.

I'm sure locals who have played these courses will weigh in on the accuracy of the above info. :D
who, me???:D
steve

I took some decent pictures of Rosedale Down Under today.


Very helpful for me and I suspect any who haven't seen the course.

I was informed yesterday that the Prairie Center course pics on playdg.com are out of date. #12-16 were redesigned a few years ago, to avoid the parking lot/soccer moms situation.
Essentially, the holes now run in the opposite direction from what is on that site.

Pics on the same Flickr page as before, with a slightly different address
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eupher61/

um...NEW AND IMPROVED address!

steve

My daughter is currently signed up to play in the U16 girls division. She also wants to play doubles. There are not enough junior girls to play doubles in the junior girls division. What are her options? Can she play in the U16 boys division doubles? Can she play in the mixed doubles competition?

Rick

PS..........I looked at the "Schedule by Pool" on http://kcworlds.com/, and it looks like the only pool playing Rosedale Down Under twice is pool R (MG1). Am I looking at the right schedule?
I didn't see your question answered. PDGA rules would let her compete in Junior Boys' doubles with a junior partner or Advanced Mixed with an amateur partner or Pro Mixed with any partner. In the past, junior girls have been allowed to compete in Advanced Mixed.

Hello!

Jack, do you happen to have the specifics for the putting event?

Last year was "horseshoe" format at the foot of Timber ridge...
2 points per putt made, bonus for both (max score per round was 5)
1 point for metal

Winning score was 21, win by two.

Will it be simalar this year?



Erick

I am not sure, that is being ran by the competition director of the event, I trust they have it planned out well. Shane Stewart (Des Moines) and Dick Parker are in charge of the field events, so I trust them to do a great job.

Well looks like I will be able to swing both Worlds and USDGC after making a little cash this weekend. Looking forward to another event in KC and will be dropping $600 tomorrow in entry fees.

Well looks like I will be able to swing both Worlds and USDGC after making a little cash this weekend. Looking forward to another event in KC and will be dropping $600 tomorrow in entry fees.

Hopefully your game is on point like this weekend. It looked like you weren't even trying and you lapped the field.

Well looks like I will be able to swing both Worlds and USDGC after making a little cash this weekend. Looking forward to another event in KC and will be dropping $600 tomorrow in entry fees.


Glad to hear it, you know you are going to have a good time!

http://kcworlds.com/hospitality/juniors-pkg

GGGGG-----REEEEEAAAATTT!!!!

Looks like an extra Advanced GM place got snuck in to the registration - it shows 73 registered now, but its pool R has a limit of 72.

Well looks like I will be able to swing both Worlds and USDGC after making a little cash this weekend. Looking forward to another event in KC and will be dropping $600 tomorrow in entry fees.

Why on earth would you waste your money entering the worst value proposition bet on Earth for a pro player???

You made a whole lot of salient points whilst whining earlier in the thread. It seems like it would be a no brainer for you to spend all that Worlds money on a bunch of Texas B-tiers and a trip to the SN finals.

What changed?

Why on earth would you waste your money entering the worst value proposition bet on Earth for a pro player???

You made a whole lot of salient points whilst whining earlier in the thread. It seems like it would be a no brainer for you to spend all that Worlds money on a bunch of Texas B-tiers and a trip to the SN finals.

What changed?He said what changed. He made some money. Now he can afford to go. Of course that makes all his prior comments look like sniveling sour grapes... :D

Why on earth would you waste your money entering the worst value proposition bet on Earth for a pro player???

You made a whole lot of salient points whilst whining earlier in the thread. It seems like it would be a no brainer for you to spend all that Worlds money on a bunch of Texas B-tiers and a trip to the SN finals.

What changed?



Because like I said it isn't all about the money...........................plus now I have enough extra money to cover the trip and my entry into USDGC without asking the parents for anything.

Worlds still is a real crappy investment from a business standpoint and I had many people tell me they had read this thread and thought I had a good point. Also this weekend I likely made twice as much as I will at worlds and that was only with a $70 entry and the 4th place finisher (top 20%) made more than double their entry back also unlike what will happen at worlds.

Now of course I will still be going to the SN finals which will likely mean a fat paycheck if you play well and USDGC just because I told myself that was priority #1 this year. So nothing has changed Rhett except a better financial outlook which will actually make the trip possible.

So nothing has changed Rhett except a better financial outlook which will actually make the trip possible.Which does make the original comments sound like sniveling sour grapes.

Which does make the original comments sound like sniveling sour grapes.



Actually it shouldn't change anything! I am going in spite of the fact the payout is lame and that in no way should justify the payout. May sound like sour grapes to you but obviously there are quite a few lurkers on the site who feel just like I do about the situation.

Worlds still is a real crappy investment from a business standpoint and I had many people tell me they had read this thread and thought I had a good point.

You definitely had some good points, but let's not get hasty and imply the words disc golf [Worlds], investment and business standpoint again in the same sentence. Not yet at least.

Let's have fun though!

You definitely had some good points, but let's not get hasty and imply the words disc golf [Worlds], investment and business standpoint again in the same sentence. Not yet at least.

Let's have fun though!


Didn't mean to imply that it was a business trip or anything but in my mind the investment isn't too bad when you factor in the other things that would otherwise be left out when considering business alone. It is the only place you get to play against pretty much everyone and as long as they shuffle cards unlike 07 worlds you never know who you might get to be on a card with.

When it comes down to it I want to be able to attend Worlds anytime I can as it is a worthwhile investment when you consider the fun and other experiences that come into play. The business thing was to point of the fact it isn't a good event to go to if you plan on making most of the trip's cost back or even a high return of your entry fee.

Hopefully in the near future we can have at least one Worlds that shines above the rest in both fun and payout but like many have said it is about the experience more than anything although it would be nice to see a change of pace.

http://kcworlds.com/hospitality/juniors-pkg

GGGGG-----REEEEEAAAATTT!!!!

Set the old guys up with this same deal... I'll pay for a ride to each of my events and a trip to the water park:D

Distance, Putting, and Mini Golf Field Events: 9:00 am to 4:00 pm at Penn Valley Park - Liberty Memorial

What time will each of these start?

scooter made his points well as a "PROFESSIONAL" disc golfer entering a week long event and the returns possible as a "PROFESSIONAL" after the expenses of travel, hotel and meals. Worlds pays off in fun experiences with those players who are truly commited to competing in such a large event.

Distance, Putting, and Mini Golf Field Events: 9:00 am to 4:00 pm at Penn Valley Park - Liberty Memorial

What time will each of these start?

Looks like all events are available at 9 AM.

Wyatt, nothing that narrow here, at least not a full hole's length. There are some places where DU could be that narrow, but not many.

My rating is 834. I'm a hacker, but I love the game. DU is an amazing course in many ways.
Let's see...diversity of shots? The only thing really lacking is a wide open 300'+ fairway. Trees, yes, BUT IT'S IN THE WOODS! Shule? yep, SAME REASON! steep dropoffs? yep, and some steep uphill climbs if you go the OTHER wrong way. There's a mix of lefty/righty holes, although righty does predominate (RHBH, at least).
I also like BV, and there are a lot of similarities in reality--a short-arm player can do quite well at both by having good placement of short shots. I won't ever win a singles round at DU, but I can hold my own. At BV, no, I won't even hold my own, but I've thrown low 70s there, which for me is pretty amazing.

Water Works is a series of fairly steep hills. #1 drops something like 30' in 250' or so, then back up to original elevation, then slopes to the longer pins. There two major problems when playing Water Works--walking and rolling. Walking for the player, rolling for the discs and bags. You've never been "Water Worked" until you've truly been "Water Worked".

BV doesn't have elevations as severe, except #7 which is a long downhill, and #10 which is a rather steep uphill. I don't have elevations on any of these, unfortunately, but if I can reclaim my GPS I will do what I can.

Decent pictures are on www.playdg.com (http://www.playdg.com). It doesn't show WW as it looks when you're on the pad, though...And, the Cliff Drive pics are a bit out of date--some changes have been made, improvements for the vast majority of them, and a lot of the wooded holes are a bit more open than now. Tee pads make it a different experience than anytime before. It's pretty amazing for the most part.

And, the playdg.com description of Prairie Center is outdated. Holes 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 have been totally redone, running essentially backwards to what is on that page. #15 tees across a pond. There's now only 1 big open hole, #14, and that has a fairly tight woods on the left immediately from the tee.

I'll also try to get some pics of Down Under. I was there yesterday, it is amazing. Scares the bejeebers out of me sometimes, but I love it.

Thanks for the insight. sounds like you and I are close I'm 832 love the game. just wish I was better at it. that's why I caddy for Andrew at worlds I just can not compete at a world class level.

When the first big flying disc tournament kicked off in Kansas City. Part of the 1979 NAS Tour, I drove many hours from Indianapolis to KC. When I got near KC, I called a contact number to find a place to crash, and the guy I talked to, a real "Crazy" guy with blonde curly hair, gave me directions to where they were, where there was a party going on. I found the quietest corner I could and tried to go to sleep.

The tournament consisted of Distance and Disc Golf. The DG portion was set up in a park downtown that was near the Post Office, that's all I remember, but the tower in the picture on the cover of the tournament program was there in the park as well. Here is said cover:

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab241/dgrz001/1979_KC_NAS_Program.jpg


It would be really cool if, at the Players' Meeting, everybody that was there at that event would stand up, to see who else was there other than me, Hal and Crazy John.

That said tower is right across the street from the host hotel. Also the field events will be held on those same park grounds.

Hey Everyone,

For those who haven't played in KC before, you are in for a treat. I played the Am Worlds there in '03 and was very impressed with how well Jack, Chap, and Rick ran the tournament. The courses are diverse and challenging and I can't wait to play them again.

I have a couple questions:

1) Is there a google map out there with the little pushpin things in it where the courses are? I haven't found it but it would make mapping the week out much easier...

2) Will Swope have the rope that was there for the '03 wide open? I am playing Swope at least 2x in the pro master pool...

Thanks!

Looking forward to it...

Ps. photos of Thornfield anywhere?

1) Is there a google map out there with the little pushpin things in it where the courses are? I haven't found it but it would make mapping the week out much easier...


I created my own ...

I've shared a map with you called 2009 PDGA World Championship Disc Golf Courses:You can view and edit this map at
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&vps=1&jsv=166d&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113212420692912246544.00046e0086b4f9ab80570

I created my own ...

I've shared a map with you called 2009 PDGA World Championship Disc Golf Courses:You can view and edit this map at
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&vps=1&jsv=166d&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113212420692912246544.00046e0086b4f9ab80570



Wish I had seen this earlier. I spent a good 30 minutes of my employer's time yesterday looking for my courses (MA1) and just circling the little green parks on the map.

I did print all of the course info for each one from the PDGA course directory pages. Are those pretty much correct?

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/KansasCityDiscGolfMap.pdf

Map of all the KC courses

Wish I had seen this earlier. I spent a good 30 minutes of my employer's time yesterday looking for my courses (MA1) and just circling the little green parks on the map.

I did print all of the course info for each one from the PDGA course directory pages. Are those pretty much correct?

Pretty much accurate, yes. Cliff Drive has undergone some changes pretty recently, most of which are reflected on the course map on kcfdc.org, and Prairie Center has not been updated on playdg.com But, if you look a page back on this thread, you'll find a link to my Flickr page with pics of holes 12-16 at PC, as well as of Rosedale Down Under.

THORNFIELD PHOTOS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottshots1/sets/72157617984384633/
steve

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When the first big flying disc tournament kicked off in Kansas City. Part of the 1979 NAS Tour, I drove many hours from Indianapolis to KC. When I got near KC, I called a contact number to find a place to crash, and the guy I talked to, a real "Crazy" guy with blonde curly hair, gave me directions to where they were, where there was a party going on. I found the quietest corner I could and tried to go to sleep.

The tournament consisted of Distance and Disc Golf. The DG portion was set up in a park downtown that was near the Post Office, that's all I remember, but the tower in the picture on the cover of the tournament program was there in the park as well. Here is said cover:

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab241/dgrz001/1979_KC_NAS_Program.jpg


It would be really cool if, at the Players' Meeting, everybody that was there at that event would stand up, to see who else was there other than me, Hal and Crazy John.
"The tournament consisted of Distance and Disc Golf"

Is the guy in the photo throwing a distance shot or a disc golf shot? I'm always trying to improve my game.

"The tournament consisted of Distance and Disc Golf"

Is the guy in the promo photo throwing a distance shot or a disc golf shot? I'm always looking for new ways of improving.

Doing a backflip is always the way I throw for distance when I really want to crank on it....isn't that the way everyone does it :D

Yea, that's what I figured. Must be that 360 throw I've heard about. I'm gonna have to start practicing that. Thanks for the timely response :-)

Ask Hal when you're in town!

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Question already answered!

I know a girl that has a wicked backhand drive while doing a cartwheel. She retired from disc golf to teach dance and have some children.

Actually it shouldn't change anything! I am going in spite of the fact the payout is lame and that in no way should justify the payout. May sound like sour grapes to you but obviously there are quite a few lurkers on the site who feel just like I do about the situation.


I am just glad that you are bothering to show up Scooter. I know you'll have a blast up here, regardless of what others may think. I appreciate you taking time off of your life to play in an event that requires countless hours of preparation from hundreds of people, that dontate their time, our sport is CHEAP, and because it is SO CHEAP, it is hard to rationalize the expense for a week's worth of life away from your home.

I appreciate everyone that took the time to come here. The registration is finished this week, we have a ton of work to do to get the courses ready for you and your hard nosed approach to what is correct, but we will try our best and with the limited budgets we have to work with, every year the "worlds event" is truly a blessing from the people that love the sport that took that challenge.

Every event is truly this way for us to enjoy, I thank all the TD's out there that made the event possible, and you should as well.

Without our volunteers in our sport, we'd be doing backflips wondering what to do.

BTW, I played with Hal Baby at his course on his B-day saturday, and he didn't do no stinkin backflip.....he didn't even do it into the pool....I'm gonna hafta ask him about it.

Great picture. The field events will be started at 9. It sounds like Steve got the maps, but here you go incase. They should be hitting your e-mail boxes in the next few days with course maps driving directions, etc....

Thornfield-(Private, not open until 7/24 for play
http://docs.google.com/present/view?skipauth=true&id=dctsrvjd_88cfmgkwgm

KC Map

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/KansasCityDiscGolfMap.pdf
Black Hoof is not in yet......




T-minus 10 days.......are you coming?

I'm coming Jack, and can't wait! I, for one, truly appreciate everything you guys have done to get everything ready for all of us. I have been playing disc golf for 32 years now, but have only gone to Worlds the last 2 years. They have been the best vacations I have ever gone on. I just loved doing nothing but playing, talking, and discussing disc golf and reliving every shot with all of the other fun disc golfers there. This event is such a bargain when you consider all the planning, improvements, coordinating and setup that goes into such a large event, for such a varying demographic. There is no way you can please everyone with every decision you make, but I can tell you that I am currently very pleased with all the work you and your volunteers have done, and plan on remaining that way. Thanks again, and I look forward to meeting you in Kansas City.

I'm coming Jack, and can't wait! I, for one, truly appreciate everything you guys have done to get everything ready for all of us. I have been playing disc golf for 32 years now, but have only gone to Worlds the last 2 years. They have been the best vacations I have ever gone on. I just loved doing nothing but playing, talking, and discussing disc golf and reliving every shot with all of the other fun disc golfers there. This event is such a bargain when you consider all the planning, improvements, coordinating and setup that goes into such a large event, for such a varying demographic. There is no way you can please everyone with every decision you make, but I can tell you that I am currently very pleased with all the work you and your volunteers have done, and plan on remaining that way. Thanks again, and I look forward to meeting you in Kansas City.


Thanks,

Were donig this for all of you, and this is exactly why. Things will go wrong, they always do, but how we fix them is important, and I feel that we have a great team in place to make that happen!

Registration closes soon, do not, I repeat, DO NOT miss this event!

You'll be mad at yourself for years to come.

Is the payout going to be decent in the EDGE competition?

I am asking because I remember in 2004 Chris Heeren made almost $300 yet a year or two later the payout was almost non-existent and I don't want to pay $20 per event if the payout is more for charity that anything. $10 per event is a lot more reasonable in my mind since $80 to play in the field events is a little steep so this year I am only doing two of them.

Well I just got everything sent in and decided to do the Edge and putting competitions so hopefully that will work out ok (50-50 Jay has nothing on me). lol

Is the payout going to be decent in the EDGE competition?

I am asking because I remember in 2004 Chris Heeren made almost $300 yet a year or two later the payout was almost non-existent and I don't want to pay $20 per event if the payout is more for charity that anything. $10 per event is a lot more reasonable in my mind since $80 to play in the field events is a little steep so this year I am only doing two of them.

Generally you are competing (gambling) for each others' entry fees. So the amount available to win is dependent on the number of players not the event organizers.

Why is it when I have read the kid's recent posts, I keep thinking of a certain sentence that Tom Cruise shouts into the telephone in "Jerry Maguire"?

Why is it when I have read the kid's recent posts, I keep thinking of a certain sentence that Tom Cruise shouts into the telephone in "Jerry Maguire"?


http://www.willisms.com/archives/gordongecko.jpg

I don't think it is "greedy" for a young guy who wants to be a "professional" disc golfer to want to earn enough to pay his expenses. After all, a --- professional --- earns his living by his/her profession. I do think that, that desire is unrealistic at this time and that, that is very unfortunate. I'm too old to dream like that, but younger guys like the kid want it bad - they want to play disc golf as a true professional, day in, day out - not only when they can afford it because they have to earn a living by other means. Right now almost no one in disc golf is a professional in the economic sense. It is virtually impossible, and again, that is very unfortunate, for it would certainly move our sport along tremendously to have a true professional class of players.

So when I see this sort of debate going on, I see it as a young person who still has big dreams and desires urgently trying to make those dreams come true by whatever means he can, debating an older wiser person who has learned to accept things pretty much as they are. No one is right and no one is wrong for feeling the way they do. There was a great song by Cat Stevens "Father and Son" that summed it up pretty well. I remember listening to it at a time in my life that I felt like the son. Now I feel like the father in the song. If I could, though, I'd be the son again in an instant.

I guess that's one of the differences between The Kid and me. I've entered the EDGE thing at the Worlds field events a few times, and I can't stand the way they load the course. There's a long line and a big wait to start at your first station, which is understandable. But then they look around and see that there aren't 20 people waiting on station 2 so they send 10 people over there while you're playing station one. That means after you wait 40 minutes to start station one, you get to wait another 20 minutes to start station 2. And this goes on for each and every station.

Ya see, I'd much rather rather 1.5 hours to start and then play through all the stations in 40 minutes, instead of waiting 40 minutes to start and then waiting again, and waiting again, and waiting again, and spending a couple to several hours to play the stations.

That's happened to me several times, so even though I enjoy the competition I don't like the execution of the event so I don't play the EDGE event anymore. It works. I don't get frustrated and Jon doesn't have to look at me as if I'm insane when I ask him why he loads the course like does.

But The Kid sees it differently. He knows that the EDGE competition is a charity event for EDGE, and that the payout will be weak. But he'll enter it anyway even though it makes him mad that the payout "will suck", and he knows the payout "will suck" before he signs up. But he signed up anyway. And we'll hear about how bad the payout was after the event from him, too.

Hi Lady Golfers: I am going to be at the Worlds this year and I would love to play in the Mixed Doubles on Saturday, July 25th. Any lady golfers out there that need a partner. I am sure that I can at least fulfill keeping you entertained. Hope to hear from you by tomorrow.

Much appreciated.

Ed Levine #23791
[email protected]

I don't think it is "greedy" for a young guy who wants to be a "professional" disc golfer to want to earn enough to pay his expenses. After all, a --- professional --- earns his living by his/her profession. I do think that, that desire is unrealistic at this time and that, that is very unfortunate. I'm too old to dream like that, but younger guys like the kid want it bad - they want to play disc golf as a true professional, day in, day out - not only when they can afford it because they have to earn a living by other means. Right now almost no one in disc golf is a professional in the economic sense. It is virtually impossible, and again, that is very unfortunate, for it would certainly move our sport along tremendously to have a true professional class of players.



The issue however is that the sport is not even close to supporting professionals in the manner that the kid and others expect it to. This is nothing new. I remember 10 years ago when the Winnicrew was doing its thing and each week's blog entry usually contained something about how poor the payouts were and how difficult it was to support their touring existence.

For the most part, most events have relatively little added cash and we are playing for each other's entry fees. Unless you finish in the top 5 you are NOT going to come anywhere close to paying your living and travel expenses. Whle we are making slow but steady progress, most pros and touring disc golfers understand the stage we are at, and pick and choose their events with this realization. While it's nice to to see the kid with such desire and trying to live the dream, I don't think his evident frustration does anything to improve the situation. Until we have a major corporate sponsor(s) making touring professionals possible, complaining about the payouts at our events, especially side Field events such as EDGE with a $20 entry fee, accomplishes next to nothing.

Rhett,

Well if those quotes are accurate, I certainly agree that, that was a poor choice of words, and that the Edge event of all events was a poor event to single out. I think the sense of frustration is deeper than the Edge event though. Again, I'm not taking sides, and believe that everyone here is putting forth their best effort - certainly all the folks from KC. No doubt about that. Being older and less impulsive, were I the Kid I might have said something like this:

"Hey guys I realize Edge is a charity event and all, but I hope you realize that by trying to be a professional disc golfer I, myself, am a charity case in the true sense of the word. So thank you very much for all the prize money you can afford to pay out because as a charity case myself I will use every cent of the "donation" to promote disc golf by showing the world how great it is to live, eat, and sleep disc golf."

Generally you are competing (gambling) for each others' entry fees. So the amount available to win is dependent on the number of players not the event organizers.



Seems like that is how it would work but (dont hold me to this) the year I am referring to had plenty of competitors but 1st was like $30 (I know it was less than $50). Now that year I think the entry was only $10 but around 1/2 went to EDGE.


In 2004 I beat Mr. Heeren in the skillshot and while he got $275 I received a DX Aviar which was worth less than the entry fee. Luckily I made $2 off The machine who somehow finds the distance finals every few years even though he doesn't know how to throw far.

So basically I just didn't want to sign up if 1st will only be like $50 because if so I would rather donate my money in distance and at least get a legit reading for the $20.

Rhett,

Well if those quotes are accurate, I certainly agree that, that was a poor choice of words, and that the Edge event of all events was a poor event to single out. I think the sense of frustration is deeper than the Edge event though. Again, I'm not taking sides, and believe that everyone here is putting forth their best effort - certainly all the folks from KC. No doubt about that. Being older and less impulsive, were I the Kid I might have said something like this:

"Hey guys I realize Edge is a charity event and all, but I hope you realize that by trying to be a professional disc golfer I, myself, am a charity case in the true sense of the word. So thank you very much for all the prize money you can afford to pay out because as a charity case myself I will use every cent of the "donation" to promote disc golf by showing the world how great it is to live, eat, and sleep disc golf."


The whole issue is the fact I don't know if it is for charity or not this year and if it is it would be nice to know beforehand! The 1st year I played the event 1st in MPO was nearly $300 and 2 years later 1st was less than $50 so I just wanted to know what to expect.

Geez, I don't see where anyone thinks I plan on making a living at this game and to tell you the truth a lot of my younger friends who are on tour right now are having a great time but like everyone has said the sport has a long way to go. The thing that pisses me off is that our payouts now are comparatively worse to where they were 15 years ago when you factor in inflation and I have seen no real effort from the PDGA to promote the Pro side of the membership and to tell you the truth I am not the only one left wondering what the heck they are doing.

My question was just to get a response on what to expect so I could sign up and donate my cash in distance if needed. Mini golf won't be happening for $20 as you could see a Royals game for that. lol

I have a friend who tried to sign up his <13 junior yesterday, and was told that the junior division was full, when in all reality, there are only 65 juniors signed up and the total field size was supposed to be 72 juniors. Any particular reason that this happened?

My question was just to get a response on what to expect so I could sign up and donate my cash in distance if needed. Mini golf won't be happening for $20 as you could see a Royals game for that. lol


I don't know. EDGE was actually going to be taken out of the field events this year, but Chuck is coming to run it now. I would anticipate it seriously as being a light payout, with a lions share to charity. If I am wrong, no one would be mad that way!

The rest of the field events will be pretty much payout what goes in minus the rental fees that we have and set up costs.

Sign up now, do not delay!

I don't know. EDGE was actually going to be taken out of the field events this year, but Chuck is coming to run it now. I would anticipate it seriously as being a light payout, with a lions share to charity. If I am wrong, no one would be mad that way!

The rest of the field events will be pretty much payout what goes in minus the rental fees that we have and set up costs.

Sign up now, do not delay!



Maybe I will move my question to the "Ask Chuck" thread then. I have no problem with the charity thing I just wish it would be posted as 50% payout or whatever it is going to be due to the fact we can't sign up day of.

Geez, I don't see where anyone thinks I plan on making a living at this game and to tell you the truth a lot of my younger friends who are on tour right now are having a great time but like everyone has said the sport has a long way to go. The thing that pisses me off is that our payouts now are comparatively worse to where they were 15 years ago when you factor in inflation and I have seen no real effort from the PDGA to promote the Pro side of the membership and to tell you the truth I am not the only one left wondering what the heck they are doing.


What do you want the PDGA to do? If you don't like it run for a position on the board and i'll vote for you. OK Let's take $200,000 of the PDGA's budget and give it to an event. The problem isn't solved. $200K is nothing. Using membership money to support pro disc golf will not resolve the issue. $1 per player will not resolve the issue.

The problem is NO ONE is making money off disc golf. Players, tournament directors and last but not least the disc manufacturers. Once disc manufactures start putting big money back into sport we've finally hit it big.

I don't think this sport is ready for the big time. A company like NIke or fill in any big name could come in and totally take over this sport. They could run 1 event per month adding 90K per event and have the 12 biggest paying events of the year. They could make up the rules and equipment. They wouldn't need the PDGA or any disc manufacturer.


From what i've heard Salomon has dropped their sponsorship for the disc golf team. Disc golfers just aren't that cool.

The whole issue is the fact I don't know if it is for charity or not this year and if it is it would be nice to know beforehand! The 1st year I played the event 1st in MPO was nearly $300 and 2 years later 1st was less than $50 so I just wanted to know what to expect.

Geez, I don't see where anyone thinks I plan on making a living at this game and to tell you the truth a lot of my younger friends who are on tour right now are having a great time but like everyone has said the sport has a long way to go. The thing that pisses me off is that our payouts now are comparatively worse to where they were 15 years ago when you factor in inflation and I have seen no real effort from the PDGA to promote the Pro side of the membership and to tell you the truth I am not the only one left wondering what the heck they are doing.

My question was just to get a response on what to expect so I could sign up and donate my cash in distance if needed. Mini golf won't be happening for $20 as you could see a Royals game for that. lol
Matt,

I was trying to stick up for you a little bit. I remember you from Worlds at Flagstaff. You were, in my opinion for what it is worth, a nice young man. I truly wish you the best and wish you success. Please realize that using expressions like "****** off" "crappy", etc. etc. my be fine among buddies, but does not win a lot of converts to your point of view on a public message board where everyone is not hip to your lingo so to speak.

Your statements could easily be interpreted as dissing the organizers of the event even though these people have put tremendous effort into putting on the event for you - and I am willing to bet they made (if anything) far, far less than the hourly rate of their day job.

Your heart may be in the right place, but please realize that if you want to achieve your goals you need allies not enemies. Allies are made by mutual understanding of others and what is motivating them and trying to find common ground withtheir goals and your goals so that you can work together. As cevalkyrie said in another post, there is just no money in the sport right now. Nobody you are reaching on this message board is responsible for that - in fact, they in their own way, are trying to help you.

So let's go out and attract some big money by representing the sport in a way that is desirable for potential sponsors, or even better, take some of that energy and enthusiasm you have and contact potential sponsors not currently in the sport. Explain to them what a great sport disc golf is and how they could be in on the ground floor of such a great sport for peanuts compared to what minimal exposure in many other sports would cost. Maybe you are doing this already. If so, great! I for one would love to hear about your efforts. Just one good sponsor could really change things.

I have a friend who tried to sign up his <13 junior yesterday, and was told that the junior division was full, when in all reality, there are only 65 juniors signed up and the total field size was supposed to be 72 juniors. Any particular reason that this happened?

That's because the list is updated weekly, not after each entry.

The Junior pool has been full for days and it has been publically posted.
Anyone reading this or other worlds threads should have seen it.

Remember what I always say - It's easier to get your money back on the last day to get refunds, than to get INTO a limited Person Event before the final signup deadline.

The Advanced Grandmasters field filled in less than a month - the deadline for signup only means that is the last day they'll take your money or give it back - it DOES NOT mean you'll get to play where you want if you wait to the last minute.

Pool limits have been on EVERY version of the schedule from Day 1 - several months ago - so sorry, no sympathy here.
Any parent who has a Junior that they wanted to play in the Worlds has had ample time to sign them up.

You and I got ours in - and open Registration for ALL disc golfers has been available for the last 2 months. a few weeks ago, the KC staff posted there was around 15 spots left and it still took almost 2 more weeks to sell them.

Maybe your friend's child will get in off the wait list - and if not they'll be better prepared for next Worlds.

See you in 8 days!
Keith

Thanks David. I was going to post on this issue. Glade you beat me to it. as always very nice points. See you Saturday.

What do you want the PDGA to do? If you don't like it run for a position on the board and i'll vote for you. OK Let's take $200,000 of the PDGA's budget and give it to an event. The problem isn't solved. $200K is nothing. Using membership money to support pro disc golf will not resolve the issue. $1 per player will not resolve the issue.

The problem is NO ONE is making money off disc golf. Players, tournament directors and last but not least the disc manufacturers. Once disc manufactures start putting big money back into sport we've finally hit it big.

I don't think this sport is ready for the big time. A company like NIke or fill in any big name could come in and totally take over this sport. They could run 1 event per month adding 90K per event and have the 12 biggest paying events of the year. They could make up the rules and equipment. They wouldn't need the PDGA or any disc manufacturer.


From what i've heard Salomon has dropped their sponsorship for the disc golf team. Disc golfers just aren't that cool.

No offense, I am not trying to single you out just a few comments.

I know what you are saying but since I live right here in Nike Land let me just say this. Nike has a very large campus right next to the campus that I work on and they have been approached many times by employees and fans of the campus activities to put a disc golf training course on their campus and they said they wanted nothing to do with Disc Golf. Sorry if I am so touchy on this topic but we have tried many times to bring Nike on board with no luck, so the constant reference to If Nike got involved just rubbs me a little raw.

On the Salomon comment, Dave Munk who lives here in Portland and used to work for Salomon as their Event Coordinator and Trade Show Promoter was the leading force behind the Salomon sponsorships but like anyone with a vision when they leave a company their vision often goes with them. Well fortunately for us and the Beaver State Fling, Dave Munk went to work for KEEN shoes and has carried his vision to KEEN and they are on board. They were the tittle Sponsor this year for the Beaver State Fling and with his partnership we were able to add more cash than entry fees in 3 months. Now KEEN did not kick in most of the cash, we had a kick butt salesman named Jeff Mittl who worked the angles but as soon as we mentioned Keen as title sponsor more doors opened for us. So Thank You Dave Munk and Keen.

Dave has also carried over most of the players from the Salomon sponsorship to Keen if they wanted to be on board. Keen is coming out with a new disc golf shoe that either will debut at Worlds or USDGC and they are not taking a stab at it they are swinging for the fences.

Look around at most of the top players and see what shoes they are were now!

No offense, I am not trying to single you out just a few comments.

I know what you are saying but since I live right here in Nike Land let me just say this. Nike has a very large campus right next to the campus that I work on and they have been approached many times by employees and fans of the campus activities to put a disc golf training course on their campus and they said they wanted nothing to do with Disc Golf. Sorry if I am so touchy on this topic but we have tried many times to bring Nike on board with no luck, so the constant reference to If Nike got involved just rubbs me a little raw.

On the Salomon comment, Dave Munk who lives here in Portland and used to work for Salomon as their Event Coordinator and Trade Show Promoter was the leading force behind the Salomon sponsorships but like anyone with a vision when they leave a company their vision often goes with them. Well fortunately for us and the Beaver State Fling, Dave Munk went to work for KEEN shoes and has carried his vision to KEEN and they are on board. They were the tittle Sponsor this year for the Beaver State Fling and with his partnership we were able to add more cash than entry fees in 3 months. Now KEEN did not kick in most of the cash, we had a kick butt salesman named Jeff Mittl who worked the angles but as soon as we mentioned Keen as title sponsor more doors opened for us. So Thank You Dave Munk and Keen.

Dave has also carried over most of the players from the Salomon sponsorship to Keen if they wanted to be on board. Keen is coming out with a new disc golf shoe that either will debut at Worlds or USDGC and they are not taking a stab at it they are swinging for the fences.

Look around at most of the top players and see what shoes they are were now!

Note that I said Nike or fill in any big name. If there was big money involved with disc golf Nike would want something to do with it. If Salomon was making money from sponsoring disc golfers they would have kept spnosoring them. That's my point. We aren't that cool. Don't get me wrong, I hoping as much as any disc golfer that this sport goes mainstream. Until we generate revenue big companies will not contribute big advertising and sponsorships money. When people are entertained by watching Matt Hall play disc golf that is the day he'll be able to make a living playing disc golf.

BTW. My dad purchased a pair of Keen's.

Hmmm,
It looks like the HTML schedule is different then the other schedules posted for the MPM-D division. It shows the D division playing Swope three times in a row beginning at 8am Thurs. then 3pm Thurs. then again at 8am Friday.
I also can't seem to find the Thornfield course on the course maps or listed on the courses to be played at this years world's. Can someone post it's location w/ a map link?
Thanks

Alex, don't you have a bike to ride?

If I signed up for the tournament already, but didn't sign up for any of the field events. I now have worked out a way to get up there in time, but not sure if I use the same form again to sign up, any help would be appreciated.

Alex, don't you have a bike to ride?

I see there is a skateboard park at WyCo - who needs a bike...not dangerous enough.
Oh look, a falling leaf!

Why me?

Leave me alone so I can concentrate on registering.

I have two bikes...I don't know which one to use. Can you help?

Hmmm,
It looks like the HTML schedule is different then the other schedules posted for the MPM-D division. It shows the D division playing Swope three times in a row beginning at 8am Thurs. then 3pm Thurs. then again at 8am Friday.


Sorry, that was a typo on my part, and has been fixed.

I see there is a skateboard park at WyCo - who needs a bike...not dangerous enough.
Oh look, a falling leaf!

Why me?

Leave me alone so I can concentrate on registering.

I have two bikes...I don't know which one to use. Can you help?

See you in KC Alex. :)

I also can't seem to find the Thornfield course on the course maps or listed on the courses to be played at this years world's. Can someone post it's location w/ a map link?


These were posted earlier in the thread:
Google doc of course map: http://docs.google.com/Present?docid...vjd_88cfmgkwgm
Google Map of Land: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...=UTF8&t=h&z=17

The pdf maps, linked from the WDGC page, for Thornfield and Wyco are the same. Could you please fix when you can?

Thx,

Matt,

I was trying to stick up for you a little bit. I remember you from Worlds at Flagstaff. You were, in my opinion for what it is worth, a nice young man. I truly wish you the best and wish you success. Please realize that using expressions like "****** off" "crappy", etc. etc. my be fine among buddies, but does not win a lot of converts to your point of view on a public message board where everyone is not hip to your lingo so to speak.

Your statements could easily be interpreted as dissing the organizers of the event even though these people have put tremendous effort into putting on the event for you - and I am willing to bet they made (if anything) far, far less than the hourly rate of their day job.

Your heart may be in the right place, but please realize that if you want to achieve your goals you need allies not enemies. Allies are made by mutual understanding of others and what is motivating them and trying to find common ground withtheir goals and your goals so that you can work together. As cevalkyrie said in another post, there is just no money in the sport right now. Nobody you are reaching on this message board is responsible for that - in fact, they in their own way, are trying to help you.

So let's go out and attract some big money by representing the sport in a way that is desirable for potential sponsors, or even better, take some of that energy and enthusiasm you have and contact potential sponsors not currently in the sport. Explain to them what a great sport disc golf is and how they could be in on the ground floor of such a great sport for peanuts compared to what minimal exposure in many other sports would cost. Maybe you are doing this already. If so, great! I for one would love to hear about your efforts. Just one good sponsor could really change things.

I don't think the tournament organizers have to much to do with the payout so when I show my displeasure for that one part of the event it shouldn't be seen as an attack on the numerous volunteers who helped run the event.

In 2002 I witnessed the work that goes into getting ready for worlds and that crew had 6 months notice and I was actually the course waterboy who filled up ice chests in the morning and put them on the course.

Truthfully I can't imagine the bs Chap and Jack have to go through to get this event going but like I said they really have no effect on the payout unless they are handed a huge sponsorship out of the blue. I am not asking for worlds to be 10X larger in payout or anything I just wish it could compete with the payout structure of most B-tiers when it cost 3 times as much to get into than most events.

So I am sorry to keep bringing it up but at the same time I would be satisfied if it seemed that our ORG was doing something to push our Pro tour even if it is subtle. This is because when reading the newsletter I see things like this "Although the PDGA's main goal is to encourage the sport at all levels we also have a National Tour that is used to showcase our top players."

Now I already know that the NT isn't a very high priority of the PDGA but it sure would be nice if Pros weren't put on the backburner all the time. Why doesn't the PDGA promote the NT a little more by simply posting one of the front page pics of the winner?

Now if the P didn't stand for Professional it would be a little easier to swallow but there is truth to my statement that payouts have actually gotten worse in many areas in the past 15 years. Total purse may increase due to more events but the quality of each individual event has been watered down. I don't really expect the PDGA to deny more money but maybe they should only allow events that have proven themselves onto the schedule and have a system where a 1st time TD needs a few apprenticeships prior to their event?

There are a lot of events in my mind that would just as well off being non-sanctioned and allowing these events just takes away from what it should mean to be PDGA sanctioned.


So in conclusion I give up for this year but will be back later and my beef has nothing to do with the tournament organizers but with the PDGA and some of its unelected officials. Those guys who take time out of their jobs to come spot, count cards, mark OB, gain sponsorship, and others do the best they can with what they can to make their home event as good as possible so that they can show why they have better courses than you.lol PLus they have to watch everyone else play which is torture in itself.

Not to get too far off base on this thread (too late for that) but that is why I am in favor of 2 organizations (kind of like ball golf). One organization is responsible for looking after the game itself and the rules (similar to the USGA in ball golf). Perhaps that organization can have one event like Worlds (or the US Opens in ball golf) but for the most part is responsible for being stewards of the game and rules. Then a second organization that is responsible for the Pro Tour (like the PGA in ball golf). The main focus is on putting on large scale pro events. The two organizations should operate independent of each other but still collaborate.

You make very good points, but at the same time I still think your expectations and understanding of the goals of the organization and where the sport is may need to be adjusted. There is simply a limited amount of money, a significant portion of which already supports our National Tour system and Pro Worlds. I think that if put up for vote, both PDGA members and our BoD would overwhelmingly vote every year to continue to support programs and initiatives which grow the sport of disc golf, rather than just give more money away to pro and touring professional golfers.

You make very good points, but at the same time I still think your expectations and understanding of the goals of the organization and where the sport is may need to be adjusted. There is simply a limited amount of money, a significant portion of which already supports our National Tour system and Pro Worlds. I think that if put up for vote, both PDGA members and our BoD would overwhelmingly vote every year to continue to support programs and initiatives which grow the sport of disc golf, rather than just give more money away to pro and touring professional golfers.



Well I know they saved money on our Touring Pro cards that were never sent out and there is no longer a 14 reservation for Card holders.

I am not asking for them to really dump more money into the Pro ranks but adjust the way it is given out. we could do just as well with 6-8 NTs that are all top tier instead of having a few that may not be as good as the others taking some of the cash away. IMO it seems as though the PDGA could put more effort into supporting a legit NT (more effort meaning promotion as well) and a Pro worlds that is not seen as the 3rd most premier event.


I really want to see the PDGA encourage TDs to allow PDGA members into an event before non-members which in my mind should be a member benefit. Why should 10 non members be allowed into an event that fills at 90 when there are 10 members wanting to fill those spots? To me that would give people another reason to join besides saving money after 5 events and they wouldn't be assured but would have a greater chance to get into large events while non members would know their chances are slim.

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=3587.msg23144;boardseen#new
this is a post on the kcfdc.org board, with links to the World's courses maps. And they're accurate, with distances. Between these, playdg.com, and the pictures of Down Under and the back 5 at Prairie Center I've put on my Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/eupher61 you should be as prepared as you can be, unless you actually play them before the tourney play starts.

I created my own ...

I've shared a map with you called 2009 PDGA World Championship Disc Golf Courses:You can view and edit this map at
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&vps=1&jsv=166d&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113212420692912246544.00046e0086b4f9ab80570
Good job fellow Texan.

1) Confront thy enemy (sign up for World's and start smacking)
2) Try to work things out by discussion (aka discussion board)
3) Learn the terrain (ask about chiggars, pivy and such)
4) Map out and pin point the enemy (post your own map of disc golf courses you plan on attacking..and share with every other competitor)
5) Raise your flag and attack (grab your disc golf getup and head to Worlds)

It's time to get excited...A team go..B team go..C team go.....

Garin you are a nut. A funny nut none the less.

Are we going to know what flight we are in anytime before the players meeting?

That's a question for Chap or Jack to answer. They're busy, but they will.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eupher61/

new pictures of Down Under, at least DU #12. New baskets, all the others will be in tomorrow. Thanks, Disc King!

There better not be any complaints about not being able to see the basket!:D

Garin you are a nut. A funny nut none the less.
definition of nut: a dry fruit consisting of an edible kernal or meat enclosed in a woody or leathery shell...or a kernal...or The Head (slang)....but you are most likely referring to a person who is extremely concerned about something or even zealous. I would put myself in the insane or psychotic arena of being a nut..but that's just me.

Life is just so darn serious I just like to spin it a little differently and lighten things up. I work a lot, have 3 kids, and am really really busy with many other things. When I play disc golf it is a place of release. I can really lose myself in a drive or a putt and not think of anything else. My goal is to move this focus to an entire round and think of nothing else except my disc in hand, the terrain, weather factors, and that basket whispering to me in the distance.

I know, I know. Many want to be serious and that's fine. But I can garin-tee that I'm very serious when I play. Anyone else feel this way about disc golf or is it just me?

Reeegulaaatooors...Let's Ride!

Great looking baskets at DU! Are they powder coated that way

I guess it's a powder coating. I"m not sure of the technical description, all I know is it's a helluva lot easier to see these things than anything else I can imagine! A flag on top would be invisible!

This is NOT an official greeting from the World's tournament committee. It's just me, sayin': (ok, when I say "we" I mean the club and all the volunteers who've put things together)

Hey, thanks for coming out for 2009 Worlds. We're pretty sure we've got courses that will be fair, challenging, and will give you a heckuva good time playing disc golf.

We have a lot of things planned outside the tournament, and there's a whole lot more to do in KC besides anything we've put together. You'll find high brow culture, low brow good times, "good eatin' in them parts" as a friend from Buffalo says, the bustle of a major metro area with the friendliness of a small town.

No, the whole city isn't talking about disc golf yet. But we're working on it.

Anytime you have questions about something to do, where to go, how to get there, you'll be within a few minutes of a local. You may not know it by looking (not all of us have eyes a little too far apart) but someone will know.

Have fun, eat lots and not-so-healthy, sleep well, dream passionately, and play GREAT disc golf!

steve

I apologize for whining about the schedule.

We've been having a nice heat-wave in San Diego to get us ready for this trip. I'll see y'all on Friday.

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Pretty sure we can handle that type of heat! Today is the 1st time since April that it didn't make it into the 90s around here.

Does anyone know where to find the info on the flymart and if we can still rent a table.

Does anyone know where to find the info on the flymart and if we can still rent a table.

I'd call Chap at work, at Disc Golf World, and see what he says. www.kcworlds.com just says "call or email for info about space remaining".

best I can do!

I'd call Chap at work, at Disc Golf World, and see what he says. www.kcworlds.com just says "call or email for info about space remaining".

best I can do!

Much appreciated! I will give him a ring tomorrow.

Many, many thanks to all of the organizers of the KC Worlds. I am heading out within a few days for what promises to be a wonderful week of golf. Is there anything else I would rather be doing? I don't think so! Thanks to all of the VOLUNTEERS who work their butts off so that a lucky few hundred can play, play, play. Here is what I am looking forward to:

1. Seeing old friends.
2. Making some new friends.
3. Playing some tasty courses.
4. Eating some tasty BBQ.
5. Visiting my childhood neighborhood (I grew up in Fairway, KS in the 1960s. I threw my first Frisbee, a Pluto Platter, on Fontana street sometime around 1965. I can still remember the feel of the planets' names on my thumb and the frustration of watching my throws immediately flip over and hit the ground a few feet away beore rolling around in a sickening circle of defeat. Maybe that's why I hated rollers for so many years!).
6. Visiting my father's grave.

Life is so short, but events like this help make it SHHHWEEET! DD

Pretty sure we can handle that type of heat! Today is the 1st time since April that it didn't make it into the 90s around here.

We had a cool front come into okc a few days ago and the high only got to 96!

I'd call Chap at work, at Disc Golf World, and see what he says. www.kcworlds.com (http://www.kcworlds.com) just says "call or email for info about space remaining".

best I can do!

Is Disc Golf World located in the Crown Center? The reason I ask is because the directions to the courses posted on the Worlds website are all from DGW. But I don't know where that is in relation to the host hotel.

Thanks.

Rhett, its about 5 blocks away from the hotel. Its like 24th and Grand, and Disc Golf World is 19th And Grand (ok 3 blocks east of it)
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Downtown-Kansas-City-Map.pdf

That may help get some bearings on the difference as well.

TV crew at Swope on Thursday at noon, read Worlds forum for more information.

My goal is to move this focus to an entire round and think of nothing else except my disc in hand, the terrain, weather factors, and that basket whispering to me in the distance.

I know, I know. Many want to be serious and that's fine. But I can garin-tee that I'm very serious when I play. Anyone else feel this way about disc golf or is it just me?

I'm passionately serious about this game too. Disc golf is my escape from reality. I thought it was all fun & games at first, but I've learned without focus & discipline, I'll never get better. I've been hard-core training to prepare for Worlds and my game has shown significant improvement over the last month or so. My favorite disc golf magazine, I think it was the issue covering Hawaii in 2005, had an article with disc golf horoscopes. Mine said, "be one with the disc, one with the basket and one with the path in between" I found it deep & inspiring.

Good luck to everyone competing in the 2009 Worlds! I'll see you in Kansas City real soon.

I know this is a bit of a rush request but I would like to know how soon are you guys to making Pool Assignments?

My division is MA1.

I requested to be in a pool with a fellow traveler so we could share the rental car, but if that request could not be fulfilled I need to look for other transportation arrangements.

Much appreciated! I will give him a ring tomorrow.
Kid,
if you haven't called yet, talk to Rick actually. I did find out that tables are $100 for the basic 6' table, and $75 for each table after 1.

beyond that, talk to Rick!

www.discgolfworld.com (http://www.discgolfworld.com)

Matt,

You know I like you and you know I agree with many of things you have said. Yes, typically the payout at worlds typically "sucks." Yes I do think that if every club ran one event a year and donated their profits from the event to the worlds, the payout would be beyond everything we can imagine.

However, I will stand up for the Worlds and point out that the reasons why the payout "sucks" compared to most events (referring to your example of making larger money in a C Tier).

Let's say you have 10 pros whose entry nets 50 dollars (after PDGA and other fees) and have 1,000 added for a purse of $1,500. You are now splitting that money amongst 4 or 5 people. If you have 30 pros and 1,000 added, you are now splitting that exact same 1,000 added amongst 12 - 15 people. $1,000 is a $1,000 no matter how many people you pay. The more people you pay, the more spread out the added cash becomes, the more the payout appears to "suck."

If the amount of added cash at worlds was at your local C Tier OR the worlds had the same number of entries as your local C Tier, then holy smokes what a payout you would have.

I've always viewed Worlds as a vacation and if I win money it's simply nothing more than a bonus. When I graduated college I had about $2,000 to my name and I tried to survive 3 months only working as a pro disc golfer until my lease ran out and I had to move back to my parents house. Even though I had two wins in those three months, I was broke with 2 weeks to spare and had my partner not hit a huge ace pot that week that we agreed to split, would have not made it the full three months.

I understand the dream of making a living off the sport and understand all your frustrations and your ideas. Generally, I agree with all of them. However, when you come on here and spout off on the thread read by hundreds of people who are going to KC as a vacation, you can turn a lot of people off to you and your good ideas.

Raising money for a tournament is a pain in the butt - and I consider myself good at it. Be thankful you have a place to compete and there are dozens of people willing NOT to play so you have the chance to win at the game's biggest stage.

Good luck in KC.

Calling all ladies! Join us Tuesday afternoon at Blue Valley for the Ladies Ring of Fire. We will kick off the festivities as soon as all women's rounds are finished (around 1:30 PM). This is a great time to meet all the other women of the Worlds, relax, and toss discs for some great prizes!

I've got my entire trip set up except Friday night. I fly in Friday morning aroung 11 and pick up a rental soon after. I'm low maintenence and yes...potty trained.

Anyone (maybe local) that I could stay one night and get my Texas feet wet? I've got a hotel booked with some buddies for the rest of the time and they get (drive) in to town Saturday afternoon.

If not I suppose I could sleep in my car or find a cardboard box to stay in. For real though..I'm so stoked I probably could stay in a box and be happy.

As a matter of fact...I play MA1 and if someone wants to play some golf that day when I fly in and maybe the next morning I'm down. Honestly I don't care if your a girl/guy, 800/1000, as long as you like(scratch that..love) disc golf I would love a short tour of Kansas City 'yall.'

Look me up and check references if you like..pdga#22902.

Looks like I'm coming to Kansas City and Texas is coming with me...and we plan to represent as I hope the rest of the states are sending their best.

Text me at 512-801-TIME

I know this is a bit of a rush request but I would like to know how soon are you guys to making Pool Assignments?

My division is MA1.

I requested to be in a pool with a fellow traveler so we could share the rental car, but if that request could not be fulfilled I need to look for other transportation arrangements.


I'm working on pool assignments...I have a feeling I'll be working on them until the sun comes up. It is our intention to post these tomorrow. And no, I haven't done your pool assignment yet, and yes, I do have to run them by PDGA before we put them up. :)

Chap

I'm working on pool assignments...I have a feeling I'll be working on them until the sun comes up. It is our intention to post these tomorrow. And no, I haven't done your pool assignment yet, and yes, I do have to run them by PDGA before we put them up. :)

Chap

Thanks for the response Chap!

I requested to be in a pool with a fellow traveler so we could share the rental car, but if that request could not be fulfilled I need to look for other transportation arrangements.

I'm hoping there will be some carpooling going on. I'm sure others are in the same situation as you are. My wife and kid are coming with me. So I'll have a car, but I dont want them to have to come pick me up after each round if they don't have to. Hopefully I'll be able to catch a ride with someone at some point??

Just want to thank the (Worlds scheduling committee) for totally screwing up my travel plans for this worlds by swithching my brother's pool (senior GM). I can't believe you would do this on such late notice. The only people you are helping are people that can't even get their registrations in on a timely manner. Are you guys going to be providing me with a ride to the courses form my hotel that's not on the beaten path? I can not believe this!!!

I'm sure everything will work out Pterodactyl. But having a bad attitude will accomplish nothing.

Is there a place to get a physical address for each course or close to each course?

I would like something to plug into the GPS to get me there. Seems like I saw this, but cannot find it now.

Thanks

Smitty

Is there a place to get a physical address for each course or close to each course?

I would like something to plug into the GPS to get me there. Seems like I saw this, but cannot find it now.

Thanks

Smitty

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Kansas-City-Address-List.pdf

Thanks

Well I just want to say thanks to chappy for getting my pool assignments right. All my travel problems I had been fretting have now taken care of themselves.

I'm sure everything will work out Pterodactyl. But having a bad attitude will accomplish nothing.

Wow, so you are going to be my ride to the courses and life coach. Thanks.

Thanks for putting me in pool L! That's probably the highest I'll be for the week until I get shuffled down. Advance thanks to the world's crew for putting this on! 4 days to go!!!

Okay this really sucks, but I have slightly torn my rotator yesterday and the dr. says play if you want it completely trashed or sit out for a few months and hopefully let it heal.

I have a room with a king bed booked at the host hotel from Sunday july 26 for 7 nights. The room is paid for but I won't be there. :(

Anyone that wanted to stay there but thought it was too expensive, here is your chance to have the week if you'll give me $350, you can have it.

I'm taking a loss, but i don't want the room to go and lose 1 in the room count.

Any body out there help a brother out?

pm or e-mail to work out the details.

[email protected]

Matt,

You know I like you and you know I agree with many of things you have said. Yes, typically the payout at worlds typically "sucks." Yes I do think that if every club ran one event a year and donated their profits from the event to the worlds, the payout would be beyond everything we can imagine.

However, I will stand up for the Worlds and point out that the reasons why the payout "sucks" compared to most events (referring to your example of making larger money in a C Tier).

Let's say you have 10 pros whose entry nets 50 dollars (after PDGA and other fees) and have 1,000 added for a purse of $1,500. You are now splitting that money amongst 4 or 5 people. If you have 30 pros and 1,000 added, you are now splitting that exact same 1,000 added amongst 12 - 15 people. $1,000 is a $1,000 no matter how many people you pay. The more people you pay, the more spread out the added cash becomes, the more the payout appears to "suck."

If the amount of added cash at worlds was at your local C Tier OR the worlds had the same number of entries as your local C Tier, then holy smokes what a payout you would have.

I've always viewed Worlds as a vacation and if I win money it's simply nothing more than a bonus. When I graduated college I had about $2,000 to my name and I tried to survive 3 months only working as a pro disc golfer until my lease ran out and I had to move back to my parents house. Even though I had two wins in those three months, I was broke with 2 weeks to spare and had my partner not hit a huge ace pot that week that we agreed to split, would have not made it the full three months.

I understand the dream of making a living off the sport and understand all your frustrations and your ideas. Generally, I agree with all of them. However, when you come on here and spout off on the thread read by hundreds of people who are going to KC as a vacation, you can turn a lot of people off to you and your good ideas.

Raising money for a tournament is a pain in the butt - and I consider myself good at it. Be thankful you have a place to compete and there are dozens of people willing NOT to play so you have the chance to win at the game's biggest stage.

Good luck in KC.

Robert.
What our sport needs is more TD's like you and more events like your "Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship" WOW Every thing going back to the players, no Profit taken by the TD. and the greatest ran tournament Andrew and I have ever played. "yes best ever both years"

Andrew and I had the best time at your event. as always I am very proud to be I minor sponsor of your event. And will always be as long as you run the event.

Thank you for all you do. so proud to call you a friend.

"just realized this weekend I may be the worst player on the NC tour, but I am a sponsored player and I got a hole in one at Buckhorn"

PS another hole in one at Creekside doubles last night. second time I cleaned out the ace pool there.

I'm definitely not complaining...

but how do they determine pools?

Erick


edit to say... i'm rated 949, the K pool is pretty stacked, and I'm in the N pool... just curious.

thanks for posting the pools Jack, but im wondering how you determined pools also for advanced, im in N also is that the lower pool, doesnt look that way but it looks like people are thinking the best pool is the first pool

thanks in advanced

I can't believe you would do this on such late notice. The only people you are helping are people that can't even get their registrations in on a timely manner.

This is disc golf, man. That's S.O.P. for pretty much all tournaments, not just Worlds. Next thing you know you'll be expecting people to not drink alcohol on the course or smoke dope at the host hotel just because it's a Major.

Sheesh. Get a grip. :) :D :)




Sad but true faces here... :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Just want to thank the (Worlds scheduling committee) for totally screwing up my travel plans for this worlds by swithching my brother's pool (senior GM). I can't believe you would do this on such late notice. The only people you are helping are people that can't even get their registrations in on a timely manner. Are you guys going to be providing me with a ride to the courses form my hotel that's not on the beaten path? I can not believe this!!!


There was an announcement on July 4 that the MPG/MPS pool was sold out. Not complaining, just pointing out this shuffle could have been done a few weeks ago. Then even more MPS/MPG players could have signed up and filled the spots created by the move.


Will there be an announcement that more spots are available in MPG and MPS? Or is this only for the players that got on the waiting list.


You would think players would catch on that you need to sign up early to be guaranteed a spot in popular events. It is far easier to back out and get a refund than to get the organizers to move an entire pool to get you in....:rolleyes:.

We have an extra spot in our room for the week. We have it from Monday to Sunday and it will cost $90 per person for the entire week if we can get one more in there. Please contact me (734-812-2407) if you're interested. Thanks.

Sean Morgan

Okay this really sucks, but I have slightly torn my rotator yesterday and the dr. says play if you want it completely trashed or sit out for a few months and hopefully let it heal.

I have a room with a king bed booked at the host hotel from Sunday july 26 for 7 nights. The room is paid for but I won't be there. :(

Anyone that wanted to stay there but thought it was too expensive, here is your chance to have the week if you'll give me $350, you can have it.

I'm taking a loss, but i don't want the room to go and lose 1 in the room count.

Any body out there help a brother out?

pm or e-mail to work out the details.

[email protected]



Thanks for all the responses and the room is taken.

This did open up a MPG slot, so maybe someone else on the waiting list can now get in my spot. :(

welcome to the PDGA they cater only to the touring pros. what no alcohol I guess I wont be there... :eek:
This is disc golf, man. That's S.O.P. for pretty much all tournaments, not just Worlds. Next thing you know you'll be expecting people to not drink alcohol on the course or smoke dope at the host hotel just because it's a Major.

Sheesh. Get a grip. :) :D :)




Sad but true faces here...

tick tock.....tick tock....tick tock..... **** does anybody know how to speed up time? I am so ready to hit the road and start playing the courses.....tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock

tick tock.....tick tock....tick tock..... **** does anybody know how to speed up time? I am so ready to hit the road and start playing the courses.....tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock



When are you leaving>? I was having to drive to Austin to catch my ride since I am in BFE.

I'm definitely not complaining...

but how do they determine pools?

Erick


edit to say... i'm rated 949, the K pool is pretty stacked, and I'm in the N pool... just curious.

Pools for Advanced are pretty much done by pool requests, and then somewhat randomly after that. Ratings were not even considered when putting people in pools. If one pool appears more stacked than the other, then it's just a coincidence, and not something done purposefully.

Chap

There was an announcement on July 4 that the MPG/MPS pool was sold out. Not complaining, just pointing out this shuffle could have been done a few weeks ago. Then even more MPS/MPG players could have signed up and filled the spots created by the move.


Will there be an announcement that more spots are available in MPG and MPS? Or is this only for the players that got on the waiting list.


You would think players would catch on that you need to sign up early to be guaranteed a spot in popular events. It is far easier to back out and get a refund than to get the organizers to move an entire pool to get you in....:rolleyes:.

Note: Schedule is subject to change. I'm pretty sure we stated that at nearly every junction. We don't make such changes lightly or without thought.

The Pro SGM division was consulted before making the switch....all by at least email, and several by phone. If I had figured out that fix 3 weeks ago, we'd have just done it. We did it not only to get a few more people in, but also to smooth out the pools some....there are better numbers and flow in the new pools now, and I think the set of courses for SGM fits better for them competition-wise.

Chap

Note: Schedule is subject to change. I'm pretty sure we stated that at nearly every junction. We don't make such changes lightly or without thought.

The Pro SGM division was consulted before making the switch....all by at least email, and several by phone. If I had figured out that fix 3 weeks ago, we'd have just done it. We did it not only to get a few more people in, but also to smooth out the pools some....there are better numbers and flow in the new pools now, and I think the set of courses for SGM fits better for them competition-wise.

Chap


Is it also a co-ink-a-dink that I am the 1st person to tee of at Blue Valley? LOL

Big difference from last year when I was the 2nd to last card and we had a hour + wait at the top of the mountain.

Anyway I had been thinking of how I was going to screw up that drive for a few days and now I see this! Can't wait.............I might be in 1st place for a while........or last

Just looked after seeing we weren't teeing off at the crack of dawn and saw that we get to head our right after the MPS and I will get to watch Peter and Rick the whole round. They better be prepared to get chastised if they don't make record time................not really but I'm sure it won't be fast since most youngsters will be worn out after that course and its elevation.

All this posting today is starting to get me really excited for Worlds! I'll be playing in the rain in KC this Friday if the storms are weak enough for my plane to land, so....COME ON FRIDAY!!! :D

Is downtown KC rough or spruced-up? Can I walk to DGW and back from the Westin and live, or do I need to get in the car, lock the doors, and drive really really fast?

I'm looking for an Advanced Grand Master or two (pool R) to join me on Saturday for some practice at Pleasant Hill and Cliff Drive. I have the day time free until about 4pm.

I got wheels. Staying at the Value Sweet SomethingOrOther.

Email if you think that sounds like a decent idea.

RonDPitt at Charter dot net

Thanks,
Ron "since you are going to check my rating anyway, I'll make it easy on you. Here's the number -15886 :)" Pittman
Tennessee Old Fart

Rhett,

It's not a long walk compared to Blue Valley :D but it's a few blocks. The Westin is at Pershing Road (24th or 25th street) and Grand. DGW is at 509 E 18th, so it's 7 blocks north and about 3 east. It's fine during the day, at night there's lots of stuff going on in the area (art galleries, a few bars, the KC Star nearby) so there's little to worry about any time. It would be a lot quicker to jump in the car, though.http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=39.088548&lon=-94.583063&zoom=16&tt=crown%20center&tp=1&q1=1%20E%20Pershing%20Rd%2C%20Kansas%20City%2C%20M O&w0=39.08713623942533%2C-94.58159923553467%3B39.0916663048774%2C-94.57988262176514&q2=509%20e%2018th%20street%20kansas%20city%20mo&gid2=17793356

I missed out on the last post for someone who had to cancel a cheap host hotel reservation. If anyone else is looking to get out of a host hotel cheap reservation, please email me at dave at dnesbitt dot com

I'm looking for an Advanced Grand Master or two (pool R) to join me on Saturday for some practice at Pleasant Hill and Cliff Drive. I have the day time free until about 4pm.

I got wheels. Staying at the Value Sweet SomethingOrOther.

Email if you think that sounds like a decent idea.

RonDPitt at Charter dot net

Thanks,
Ron "since you are going to check my rating anyway, I'll make it easy on you. Here's the number -15886 :)" Pittman
Tennessee Old Fart
you might post this on the board at kcfdc.org too...locals look at that a lot more than here. You'll find someone wanting to throw those, I'm sure. I'll be at the sign-in desk, or I'd be glad to.

So this my first worlds , will all the advanced players have a shotgun start then. Makes since because we have to be at the next course by 3.

Is this correct?

So this my first worlds , will all the advanced players have a shotgun start then. Makes since because we have to be at the next course by 3.

Is this correct?
My understanding is that the only course with start times is Blue Valley. Chap or Jack need to give any totally official statement, but since BV is the only course with tee times listed, that should be a fair assessment.

Have fun, play well!

All this posting today is starting to get me really excited for Worlds! I'll be playing in the rain in KC this Friday if the storms are weak enough for my plane to land, so....COME ON FRIDAY!!! :D

Is downtown KC rough or spruced-up? Can I walk to DGW and back from the Westin and live, or do I need to get in the car, lock the doors, and drive really really fast?

You can walk it...it's not too bad a walk.

Chap

So this my first worlds , will all the advanced players have a shotgun start then. Makes since because we have to be at the next course by 3.

Is this correct?


You'll be on tee times at Blue Valley, and have shotgun starts at all other courses.

Chap

thanks John

From weather.com, not saying it is accurate but I don't think you can even ask for any better forecast for the midwest in the summer. This looks tremendous!

Fri Jul 24
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Mon Jul 27
Partly Cloudy
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Tue Jul 28
Isolated T-Storms
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Wed Jul 29
Mostly Sunny
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Thu Jul 30
Partly Cloudy
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Fri Jul 31
Partly Cloudy
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I just found the player list for Jr. Doubles. Andrew coggin and David Wiggins Jr. are list in 19 and under. David is 14 andrew is 13, is this becouse there are no 16 and under teams. I did not cross referance the other names. can this be changed at the course on saturday if there are other 16 and under teams? They will stay in 19 and under if there are no other 16 and unders play.

David and Andrew will kick butt in any division

Nez!!! Lookin forward to seeing you. Still have fond memories of you and David Vaughn discussing sleeve lengths in DSM 04 :)

You got any hair left? If not, maybe Rhett can give you some - he should still have plenty :)

I just found the player list for Jr. Doubles. Andrew coggin and David Wiggins Jr. are list in 19 and under. David is 14 andrew is 13, is this becouse there are no 16 and under teams. I did not cross referance the other names. can this be changed at the course on saturday if there are other 16 and under teams? They will stay in 19 and under if there are no other 16 and unders play.


Where can I find the list of doubles teams?

Projected high of 80F for Tues - Thurs? Woo Hoo. That's just a few degrees above the average low down here in TX. I'm going to have to run in place during the round in order to make myself sweat.

I'm still bringing a sweatshirt, though. I remember one chilly morning in Des Moines in 2004, and the low 60s will definitely feel chilly to me.

So my understanding is there is a little bit of a conflict amongst some disc golfers regarding the Advanced Mens division pools. I propose a challenge..let's call it the Worlds Alphabet Challenge(WAC). Yes.. WAC as in 'WAC' a tree. Stay with me.

Challenges are:

1) Which group can get the lowest score on each course. Ofcourse this means
we have 6 challenges in this category..before semis.

2) Which group gets the highest score on each course. And yes this is not a good
thing. Known as DFL. I've been there so I'm ok with puting this out there.

3) Which group can get the most aces.

4) And last but not least..the ultimate challenge is to see which group can get more
of their guys to the semis.

5) And last and most important is the final. Which group can represent in the final four.
There are 4 groups and 4 spots available..let's get pumped up and battle.

And the WAC names are as follows;

Group K --- Kings.

Group L --- Legends.

Group M ---Mercenaries.

Group N ---hhmmm, not sure Any ideas for N?

Note: Just trying to tie our groups together on another level.

We will find out just how fair the groupings are once the battle is done. I don't know about you but I usually root for the underdogs. Just saying if your in a group that you say is weak..just step it up as a group and fight. Suprise somebody!

I'm a Legend and want all fellow Legends to rock and make the semis. Once we get to the semis the gloves come off and the real battle begins.

What is the dress code for the Am divisions? Do they have to wear a collared shirt since it is a major? Thanks in advance!

Do they have to adhear to Comp Manual 3.4 C)?

Polos during semis and what not? No cutoffs? Are tee shirts okay during preliminary rounds then?

Where can I find the list of doubles teams?

Papparoc. look on the tournament schedule for july. cant wait to see you and the family.

Group N ---hhmmm, not sure Any ideas for N?
.

How bout the 'nobodies'.....as is nobody is going to see us smoke the other pools!!! :D





What is the dress code for the Am divisions? Do they have to wear a collared shirt since it is a major? Thanks in advance!

Do they have to adhear to Comp Manual 3.4 C)?

Polos during semis and what not? No cutoffs? Are tee shirts okay during preliminary rounds then?

From the way I read it: Yes a T-shirt is OK during the prelims, and then as long as it's a dryfit material shirt you can wear that instead of a polo during the semis and finals. Right?

I HATE COLLARS!!!

is there any ways to find out what areas will be OB before I start practicing the courses? looking at the maps for MA1, it appears Prarie Center is the only course with OB areas...

will sidewalks/sidewalks and over, streets, etc be OB? its looks like theres quite a few of those.

any mandos?

2 meter rule in effect?

thanks a bunch, cant wait!

Papparoc. look on the tournament schedule for july. cant wait to see you and the family.


Found it, Thanks

is there any ways to find out what areas will be OB before I start practicing the courses? looking at the maps for MA1, it appears Prarie Center is the only course with OB areas...

will sidewalks/sidewalks and over, streets, etc be OB? its looks like theres quite a few of those.

any mandos?

2 meter rule in effect?

thanks a bunch, cant wait!

It will be painted but the general rule is on or across the street (unless the basket is across the street) will be OB. Use the road for practice. There are a few mando's in town, Swope and Blue Valley come to mind. The inside part of the Sidewalks at BV will be OB, by #3 the triangle sidewalk is safe, except the sidewalk that continues around the lake. The sidewalk to the west of the basket is OB on there though.

Is there caddie books this year?

If you want to up the overall respect for the game wear a collar.

I always wear a collar at tournaments. Think about all the spectators.
If you look nice we will be treated nice.
Sad but true

When are you leaving>? I was having to drive to Austin to catch my ride since I am in BFE.

We are leaving before the sun rises sunday morning, gonna take a break and play rockwall and then finish the drive into kc. We got room for one more if you dont mind sittin in the back with Scoleman.

We are leaving before the sun rises sunday morning, gonna take a break and play rockwall and then finish the drive into kc. We got room for one more if you dont mind sittin in the back with Scoleman.


I wouldn't mind too much and it is good to see he is able to go but the guys I was planning on riding with will be leaving Friday and getting there Sat so I will just to the Austin thing.

Much appreciated though El Jefe

David and Andrew will kick butt in any division


Thank you for your comments. I passed it on to Andrew he said thank you as well. when I see David on Friday I will pass it on if David Sr. dosn't see your post.

What is the dress code for the Am divisions? Do they have to wear a collared shirt since it is a major? Thanks in advance!

Do they have to adhear to Comp Manual 3.4 C)?

Polos during semis and what not? No cutoffs? Are tee shirts okay during preliminary rounds then?

Andrew has always worn collard shirts at worlds and any sanctioned.

no prob....glad to see you are gonna make it. I wish we could get out of here earlier but we will be in sunday nite. Where you shackin up? We are forkin out the cash for the host hotel....hopefully its worth it and the free breakfast isnt toast and coffee with some other strange condiments.tick tock...tick tock...dangit go faster!!!!!

So my understanding is there is a little bit of a conflict amongst some disc golfers regarding the Advanced Mens division pools. I propose a challenge..let's call it the Worlds Alphabet Challenge(WAC). Yes.. WAC as in 'WAC' a tree. Stay with me.




We will find out just how fair the groupings are once the battle is done. I don't know about you but I usually root for the underdogs. Just saying if your in a group that you say is weak..just step it up as a group and fight. Suprise somebody!

I'm a Legend and want all fellow Legends to rock and make the semis. Once we get to the semis the gloves come off and the real battle begins.



Looks like most of the "HELL RAISING" Texans are in L. Looks like it might not be fair to the other groups. I mean we got Guy and Ladesma in our group. Guy will skeerem and Ladesma will knock down 1000 rated rounds.

it's getting late here on the east coast. this will be my last post before getting to KC.

Thank you KC staff for all you have done. I know this will be a world championship to remember. to all the players

shoot good. it's a long week. dreams can come true.


good night

is there any ways to find out what areas will be OB before I start practicing the courses? looking at the maps for MA1, it appears Prarie Center is the only course with OB areas...

will sidewalks/sidewalks and over, streets, etc be OB? its looks like theres quite a few of those.

any mandos?

2 meter rule in effect?

thanks a bunch, cant wait!

as far as Prairie Center specifically, I can comment with some authority. All curbs are OB (lines will be painted inside the curb, on the grass, on most of them, until paint runs out at least.) along all roads, the sidewalks are NOT OB on 3, 5, 6. Wooded sidelines like 2,3,13, 14 will be painted. The pond on 15 and 14 will be painted. Along 3, 5, 6,7, 8, the curbs are out, NOT the sidewalks or walking paths. Baseball field fences along 12, 16, 17 are OB INCLUDING the fence, hopefully they will be painted too. The walking trail along 3 and 4 is OB on the side of the path toward that hole.

There is one place where the 2 Meter Rule will be in effect at Prairie Center---along 18, there is a restroom building where the eaves overhang the building slab. It's only about 2 feet or so overhanging, but that will be subject to the 2 meter rule. On the rest of the roof of that building will be OB.
The picnic shelters and slabs near 1, 8, and 18 will be OB also, the roof does not overhang on those.

Looks like most of the "HELL RAISING" Texans are in L. Looks like it might not be fair to the other groups. I mean we got Guy and Ladesma in our group. Guy will skeerem and Ladesma will knock down 1000 rated rounds.



Guess who I am staying with?????????????? Guy and Steady Leady Ledesma. I'll be sure to get them all hyped up and ready to go.......................Guy is always ready to go anyway

the 2 people i single out you are staying with?!?!?! Dont let johnny boy talk you into going out late nite for some naked ballet.....nothin but trouble :) lol and well .... dont let guy talk you into anything!! See ya in KC

Looks like most of the "HELL RAISING" Texans are in L. Looks like it might not be fair to the other groups. I mean we got Guy and Ladesma in our group. Guy will skeerem and Ladesma will knock down 1000 rated rounds.

Atleast we know what Pool is hurting!

Atleast we know what Pool is hurting!

hmmmmm comin from an Okie............

hmmmmm comin from an Okie............

Yup....to a texan! :)

Did you guys see there is a 1000 rated Swedish kid in my sons group in the 16 and under division, i kinda feel bad for my son. He doesnt care he said "I can take him" spoken like a true 13 yr. old

That would be cool if he could take out a 1000 rated player!

the 2 people i single out you are staying with?!?!?! Dont let johnny boy talk you into going out late nite for some naked ballet.....nothin but trouble :) lol and well .... dont let guy talk you into anything!! See ya in KC

Steady would be sleeping in the car in the parking lot. Luckly Tres V-man isnt going to make it rain and then tell you to run!! LOL. See ya in KC Jefe. Wait?!? we got stuck with the KID? Halls Rep! what

Did you guys see there is a 1000 rated Swedish kid in my sons group in the 16 and under division, i kinda feel bad for my son. He doesnt care he said "I can take him" spoken like a true 13 yr. old

A little known fact is that the US PDGA player rating versus European PDGA player rating is based on the inverse of the dolllar/euro exchange rate. Therefore, at current exchange rates of 1.4229 dollars to one Euro, his US PDGA player rating should be 702. Well that may be a little off... ;-)

Did you guys see there is a 1000 rated Swedish kid in my sons group in the 16 and under division, i kinda feel bad for my son. He doesnt care he said "I can take him" spoken like a true 13 yr. old

It could have been worse, little WiG's could have stayed there instead of playing advanced.

It could have been worse, little WiG's could have stayed there instead of playing advanced.


Nah he probably would have played <19 instead. lol

Looks like most of the "HELL RAISING" Texans are in L. Looks like it might not be fair to the other groups. I mean we got Guy and Ladesma in our group. Guy will skeerem and Ladesma will knock down 1000 rated rounds.

Don't let eL gUy do any late week wrestling this time round either! ;)

Good luck to our Texas boys, and go show them OK boys how things are done. (did you hear that Joe?) :D

Let's just hope them Texas boy's make it past the cut! :P

anybody knw where the doubles information is?

Don't let eL gUy do any late week wrestling this time round either! ;)

Good luck to our Texas boys, and go show them OK boys how things are done. (did you hear that Joe?) :D


I was a witness to the "Elbow of Doom" that went down in Tulsa.


Ah my rib.........nah man really my rib............(insert whatever sound you think Guy then made)

Let's just hope them Texas boy's make it past the cut! :P


Im just hoping to make it through Ok without any problems. You know why Texas dosent go floatin off into the Gulf of Mexico huh?

anybody knw where the doubles information is?

per Chappy just now....Juniors at Water Works 900 Saturday.

Everyone else 900 Saturday at Swope.

<o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" images="" smilies="" redface.gif="" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" smilieid="2" class="inlineimg"></o:smarttagtype>Hey everybody! I am proud to give an update on the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships from <st1:city><st1>Kansas City</st1></st1:city>. I flew in a few days early to play some of the courses before working as Scoring Director for the week. My connection flight into <st1:city><st1>Kansas City</st1></st1:city> was a little strange; it was more than half-filled with women coming in for a Silpada (http://www.silpada.com/public/) convention, and it seems like a thousand of them are staying at the <st1><st1>Westin</st1> <st1>Crown </st1><st1>Center</st1></st1> (more on that later)
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I saw Discette at the rental car counter at the airport which was very cool, and then it was straight to <st1:street><st1:address>Cliff Drive</st1:address></st1:street>. (<st1><st1>Kessler P</st1><st1>ark</st1></st1>) My true �Welcome to Worlds� moment occurred as soon as I got out of the car: on the first tee in front of me were Nate Doss, Val Jenkins, Avery Jenkins, Carrie Burlogar and a few others. Pretty cool to see the 2-time men�s champion and the reigning women�s champion right off the bat like that! The first hole is a very cool valley shot, after which a short approach off to the right to a guarded pin position is required. I got up and down for a nice 3, and then got up to the tee of hole#2, and after Nate nearly skip aced the hole, they graciously allowed me to play through.
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Hole#2 is a 330� downhill hyzer with death off to the right � it seriously drops way off into nasty rough if your disc goes over the edge.
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Hole#3 is a very cool uphill left-to-right shot which plays next to cliff walls. I don�t think I�ve ever seen a hole like this and it is just really a neat hole. I actually threw past the polehole and missed a 20 footer for bird, d�oh!
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Hole#4 is possibly the signature hole on the course � a VERY downhill right to left shot. There are trees which guard the straight route to the basket and the best play to this one seems to be to take the wide right route (over the short pin) and I was enthused to park my drive next to the polehole for the bird, woo-hoo!
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Hole#5 is a severely uphill shot. There�s a straight line to the basket, but two big guardian trees block this path making it somewhat of a �sucker� route, because there�s a very wide left-to-right path to the basket, which I executed with success to again park the polehole. Now I�m really having fun! :cool:
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Hole#6 plays 387� left to right to a pin tucked down a natural half-pipe with high banked walls. A big arm could drive this hole, but the high walls and rough on each side seem to make this another �sucker� hole. The smart play seems to be to just lay up before the half-pipe, which I did with a Classic Roc, and then just make the up-and-down for the 3.
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These first six holes are truly stunning � I can�t believe people haven�t been raving about the start of this course, because it is truly spectacular!
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Hole#7�s long pin plays at an odd angle uphill from the teepad, which is geared towards the short pin, and I took my first four of the round here. I could see a big arm just throwing a massive hyzer past the short pin and utilizing the �back door� to the basket, which almost seems intentional. Methinks this might be a better hole if the teepad were up on the flat instead of down by the road.

Hole#8 plays scenically up the path, and a RHBH roller is tempting here but I opted for an airshot. At this point I ran into Tournament Director extraordinaire Jack Lowe who was busy at work, and I thanked him for all his efforts and for bringing the disc golf world to <st1:city><st1>Kansas City</st1></st1:city>. I also told him how much Cliff Drive ROCKS! :cool:
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Hole#9 plays between a treeline and a clump of trees near the #10 teepad � not too much to worry about here except staying out of the rough. I shot 26 on the front, which means most good players should be well under par.
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The back nine starts off with an uphill left-to-right shot which is pretty straightforward except for heavy rough right and parked cars left � I could see shanked shots hitting cars here.
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Hole#11 is a 492- �tweener� hole which runs between a fence and the <st1></st1>entrance road. It heavily favors the right-handed thrower, as the land slopes from left-to-right. A lefty backhand roller will probably be the preferred shot for southpaws to keep them away from the road, and anything that stands up too soon would just hit the fence and stop. Rightys should just get their 3 and move on.

Hole#12 is 375� downhill, but with an absurdly narrow landing area between the entrance road and DEATH to the right, way worse than hole#2. It is serious oblivion over there. I think this is another �sucker� hole where the preferred shot is just a putter off the tee � I did just that, hit the trunk of one of the two lone big trees in the fairway, and got up-n-down for the 3. Woe to anyone who tries a RHBH roller and stands it up too soon � goodbye, disc. :(
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Hole#13 is the BOMBER hole on the course � 711� downhill, wide open, and a nice pro par four which I was enthused to take. Watch out for a headwind though which may turn drives over towards the <st1>OB </st1>road. On my drive out of the park later on I saw Avery�s group and I asked him where his longest drive was, and he said it was well in front of the short pin and easily more than 500�. :eek:

<o></o> Hole#14 is 339�, an easy downhill righty hyzer and a welcome relief on the grueling back nine. Unless you�re a weenie arm, you should deuce this hole.
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Hole#15 plays 396� uphill but with a helping tailwind, and other than two large mature trees is mostly wide open.
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Hole#16 plays eerily similar to 11.
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Hole#17 is just a perfect downhill RHBH roller shot. The park service was cutting the grass which slowed mine up, but I think some big arms could roll drives down well past the short pin on this hole. The long pin on this hole really bothers me though because it plays too close to the street. It�s one thing to have holes at a disc golf course border park roads, but this is an actual city street, and almost as if on cue, when I was lining up my approach shot, a bus pulled up and dumped off schoolchildren right by the basket. Approach shots which hyzer off left run the risk of trickling OB into the park road, and I was happy to take a par four here.
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Hole#18 is 495� uphill and pretty much wide open, with the only trouble being a slope from left-to-right from the polehole down towards the <st1>OB </st1> road.

The verdict on <st1:street><st1:address>Cliff Drive</st1:address></st1:street>:
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Pros:
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Spectacular front nine with woods and sick elevation changes
Excellent mix of wooded front nine and open back nine
Nice variety in hole length
Two pro par four holes (#13 )
Excellent cement tee pads
Would probably be very nice city views in the wintertime, but the summer foliage blocks them
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Cons:
<o></o> Not a bad back nine, but mostly open and boring as compared to the front
No wooded pro par four holes
Very little shade on the back nine � it got so hot that I was actually throwing for the shade after a while.
Watch out for soft dirt and mud around the edges of the teepads.
Some holes encourage throwing out over park roads or city streets
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After completing my round of 57, I drove back to the host hotel. I don�t know what The Paseo is, but it�s an extremely scenic road � there are columns and verandas and patios and landscaping galore. When I got to the host hotel, there were multiple busses dumping off loads of Silpada (http://www.silpada.com/public/) women. Seriously, the lobby of the hotel was full with hundreds of them and it was so loud you couldn�t even hear a thing! They were drinking and partying and whooping it up � wish I was still single. :D The host hotel is unbelievably nice � I know the nightly rate was an issue for many golfers but when you see this place, it is worth every penny. Jack Lowe is THE MAN for hooking up golfers with this place and I just wish that more people took advantage of it because it is one of the nicest hotels I�ve ever seen.
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Well that�s it for tonight. Tomorrow it�s off to Thornfield and Swope and maybe WyCo. :cool:

Great recap, Jeff! One of Jack's ideas for Cliff Drive was to have a little bit of the best of all the KC courses in one. 6 tight (a la Down Under), 6 more or less wide open (a la WYCO or Blue Valley) and 6 with lots of danger but good rewards (Swope/Rosedale). The pads made a LOT of difference in karma on the course, not to mention better tee shots! They've been in for about a month, so yes, the ground immediately around them will be soft. The loss of trees on 13 made a lot of difference, to the worse IMO, the right side was pretty well lined parallel to the road, and a big stand of lilacs was taken out near the long placement.

Jack, House, Keizer, and it seems there may have been another CC along the way, have done a great job here. The KCMO Parks staff has done great work at Cliff, Swope, WW, and Blue Valley, and you KNOW that the volunteer corps from the KCFDC has really been out in force. How many tons of trash at Cliff alone? And close to that at BV.

This is going to be such a cool week and a half! Welcome to KC everyone!

Jeff, keep it up all week. Everything you see and do. Those of us who can not go love it!

I dont know if this has been posted yet or not but what pin placements will advanced play? i would assume we would play all longs but i could be wrong. if anyone has any info please post thanks phillip hall

jeff that was an awesome post!!! i still remember the first time i heard of your la tourneys...i couldnt believe it til i saw it...but when i played the shreveport tourney i understood what everyone was talking about!!!! you run one of the coolest tourneys ive been to! and what about that lunch???????? WOW!!!! is all that you can say! i look forward to seeing you at worlds!!!!

I dont know if this has been posted yet or not but what pin placements will advanced play? i would assume we would play all longs but i could be wrong. if anyone has any info please post thanks phillip hall

EVERYTHING is set for the tournament, at all courses. Specific to Cliff, no, not everything is the longest. It's all in the Players Book you'll get at sign-in.

Jeff, keep it up all week. Everything you see and do. Those of us who can not go love it!

I will certainly try to do as much reporting as I can! :cool:

The view from my hotel room:

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Good luck NC golfers!!! Wish I could have joined you all. Maybe next year.

Shoot'em up!!!

Leavin right after work! Can't wait to hit the road!! This will be the longest day of work ever......

What a forecast! Being from Mobile, I haven't seen a high in the 70s since February.

Sun
Jul 26
Sunny
83�
67�
0%

Mon
Jul 27
Partly Cloudy
86�
69�
20%

Tue
Jul 28
Scattered T-Storms
77�
65�
40%

Wed
Jul 29
Partly Cloudy
80�
66�
20%

Thu
Jul 30
Isolated T-Storms
81�
69�
30%

Fri
Jul 31
Scattered T-Storms
82�
68�
40%

Sat
Aug 1
Scattered T-Storms
82�
68�
60%


Leaving at the crack of dawn tomorrow. Fourteen hours and I'll be at my first Worlds!

pulled this player pack info off the kc site....looks like a sweet player's pack!!!!

Here's a rundown of what the ams are getting: a commemorative Discraft Super Color Crystal Z-Stalker (affixed to the bottom of 100 of these is a coupon to redeem at the Fly Mart for a free Ringer), a commemorative After Shock from the DGA, a Ching Genesis and a commemorative Ching standard bag in hot orange, a commemorative GDS disc and mini set, a Lightning Disc, a commemorative tournament performance shirt and towel, a performance shirt (different worlds logo) from Innova, a commemorative Wham-O mini from Discovering the World, a coozie from Disc Unlimited, a coupon for free pizza at Pizza Shoppe, a coupon redeemable at the Fly Mart for a commemorative Star San Marino Roc from Innova, a nice looking full-color program, and a course rules booklet. Also, the juniors receive an additional shirt from Scientificdiscgolf.com and a commemorative bottle cap from Becky Zallek. Women will also get the bottle cap. In addition, the Innova shirt for females is styled for women.

Pros will get all of the above except no golf disc from DGA and GDS, and no coozie. They will get an ESP version of the Stalker (no ringer coupons). In addition, they will get a Frisbee.

Lets go team NC. Lil Wiggy, Big Jerm, Boodrow, Schweb, Keatts, Noble and others. Take em down boys.

Have a safe trip everyone, see ya in KC.
Thanks to all the people that have helped make this happen!

Don't forget that if you can't be in KC for the event, PDGA RADIO will have update shows Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday. AND a 4-hour LIVE online broadcast of the finals on Saturday to go along with the live scoring and numerous other ways to experience the fun even if you can't be there in person.

BTW - No way the pool assignments were random, all 11 of the Advanced Ams from Minnesota are in the same pool, and I know we didn't request that and very few of us are driving down together. It will be nice to be more likely to play with people I know, but on the other hand it could also be nice to meet people I haven't already played with dozens of times.

Will this be the second year in a row that the Am World Champ stays in the same hotel room as I do?

Thanks to the guys at www.LSDISCS.com for hooking up the hotel for me again this year, and to www.FairwayFlyerz.com for some new gear.


Safe Travels,
Steve Kuzenski
PDGA Radio

Hey everybody! I am proud to give yet another update on the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships from <st1:city><st1>here in Kansas City</st1></st1:city>. I started out the day at the Thornfield private course way out in Stilwell, KS. Shortly after I arrived, the multiple women's champ Des Reading and Yeti pulled in, followed by the big-armed Brian Schweberger and his lovely wife Ashley, and then former women's champion Birgitta Lagerholm, Markus K�llstr�m, and a whole car full of Swedes. The Thornfield course was built by Suburban Lawn & Garden in early 2008 on the scenic property owned by Bill and Bo Stueck to host tournaments for local non-profit organizations. The only private course of its kind in the greater Kansas City area, the course was designed by Dennis Vahsholtz and Bill Paulson from Wichita.

Folks, this course is the jewel of the tournament! The land is to die for, with a simply incredible mix of woods, open fields, a stream, rolling elevation changes, a small pond, and PLENTY of difficulty. This course may play far shorter than Blue Valley, but I think Thornfield will challenge competitors WAY more. There aren't as many pro par four holes, but there are very few gimme deuces and there is loads of trouble lurking off the narrow fairways on nearly every hole. At almost 11,000' feet of length, Blue Valley challenges golfers with tons of length but there is no penalty for lack of accuracy because the holes are very wide open. At 'only' 7360', the Thornfield course uses its narrow fairways to force accurate throws on every shot.

The course starts off with two fairly straightforward par 3 holes which are almost must-deuces considering what is to come later. Hole#2 is a slightly uphill left-to-right shot of only 261' which should certainly be birdied by the pro divisions playing the course next week.
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<o></o> Hole#3 is the first pro par four on the course at about 500' feet in length. The entire hole turns gently from right to left and favors the RHBH thrower. The fairway looks ample, but it's easy to stray too far left and block off your approach to the pin.
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Hole#4 is possibly the signature par 3 on the course � a 261' downhill straight shot through a narrow corridor. Break out the putters or Classic Rocs and float one down there! :cool:
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Hole#5 plays 440' down a narrow fairway with heavy woods right and an OB creek left. The ob line doesn't run by the creek however - there is actually a fence serving as the OB line which further narrows the hole. Approaches than run a little hot could find their way into the creek lurking behind the basket.
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Hole#6 is a 643' pro par four which requires a severe right-to-left shot off the tee. Because of the severe angle, it's hard to get a lot of distance on the drive - I tried a flippy disc with hyzer to get maximum glide but still had almost 375' to the basket on my second shot, and was only able to muster a par here.
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Hole#7 is the shortest hole on the course at only 190' but uphill and through a very narrow corridor. I was enthused to toss a Roc up the gut to find the green.

Hole#8 plays very scenically out of a road in the woods, out into an open field, past a small pond on the right, and then to a basket tucked up the hillside on the right-hand side. A RH backhand roller on the approach might get players up closer to the polehole, but the grass is a little long for rolling. While escaping the woods on the drive isn't too tough, at over 660' feet in length, it will take two very skilled throws for gold level players to score the birdie 3 here.

Hole#9 normally plays over 700' long but shares too much fairway with hole#8 and has been shortened for Pro Worlds. The current 513' version is still a tricky pro par four that plays down a long grass strip between heavy woods. The land slopes gently from right-to-left, and players must take care not to hyzer off into a casual creek on the left side. Feldberg reportedly pumped one about 70' short of the polehole, which is just sick. :eek:

After a pleasant walk through the woods, the back nine starts with a fun low ceiling shot of 376' that set up perfect for a RHBH roller. Schwebby, Harold Hampton and I all had trouble with the dewy, tall grass but I think there will be some dueces here.
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Hole#11 is a 340' uphill chuck with two options - you can either throw a left-to-right turner through a narrow choke point, or throw a huge over-the-top-of-the-trees moon shot. Schwebby successfully executed a monster thumber over the top but came about 50' short of the basket.

Hole#12 is 386� downhill horseshoe hole that is one of the most unorthodox holes I've ever played. There is a wide open field straight in front of you to throw to, but the hole is tucked far back around to the left around a grove of trees. A pooch shot with an overstable disc will set a righty up for an easy approach and 3. Again, there is an option to throw a monster hyzer or thumber over the trees which Schwebby tried twice, getting one caught up in the foliage, and one on the green. Just take a 3 here and move on.

Hole#13 just plays 415' across an open field with a basket tucked into the woods on the left. Big arms can go for this one, but it's probably wise to just play safely wide right so that one has an angle to the basket. The grass was far too high for rolling.

<o></o> Hole#14 normally plays over 500' down a narrow road through the woods which is no more than about 10' wide. For Worlds it is thankfully shortened to 305', with the basket lying to the right of the path. Lefties and flick throwers have a shot at deuce here.
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Hole#16 is only measured at 322' but could be one of the hardest holes of that length I've played. It starts at the bottom of an open field and throws to a narrow 10' wide chute through the woods that gets progressively steeper up to the polehole. One could lay up at the Am tee, but I think most will just gun for the path and hope for the best.
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Hole#17 is measured at 570' and really plays like a pro par four hole. Driving in the open along an OB fence on the right, the hole then doglegs 90 degrees into the woods. The temptation will be to throw left on the drive over the tractors, but I think the best play is to just go long & straight ahead on the drive.
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Hole#18 is a somewhat anti-climactic 445� open shot which shoots over a small ridge so that the basket is hidden on the drive and the shot is blind. The basket is located in a clump of trees.

The verdict on <st1:street><st1:address>Thornfield:</st1:address></st1:street>
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Pros:
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[I]Spectacular land with just about every feature you could ask for in a disc golf course.
Excellent mix of wooded and open holes
Nice variety in hole length
Many pro par four holes and lots of trouble on the par 3s.
Very friendly staff. There are really sweet caddy books for sale for $5 at check-in.

<o></o> Cons:
<o></o> The teepads were natural and in very poor shape. Supposedly Fly Pads are coming for the tournament?
The short teepads for holes#9 & 14 were not marked this morning.
There are few low-hanging branches that are going to 'work' some players who think they threw good shots only to get spanked.
Course is only open for practice from 8:30 AM to 5:30 PM each day.

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After completing my round and grabbing some lunch, I headed out to Swope. Ran into new grandmaster Jim Myers, my pick for champion this year, and Elaine King. Swope's first 11 holes were extremely picturesque hill-to-hill shots over a valley, but the EXACT SAME shot over and over and over again. The hole distances might vary from 287' to 438', but it is essentially the same dead straight drive and seriously mind-numbingly repetitive.

The 12th hole finally plays a little bit different as a downhill righty hyzer. The 13th hole is easily the signature hole and my favorite on the course. It's over 700' from the long tee, but from the short tee used for the tournament, the hole plays 525' down to a basket tucked in the woods with wood chips surrounding it and a serious drop-off of some 20' or more all around the polehole. It's just a great pro par four hole with an awesome green area, and golfers will be enthused to nab a birdie 3 here. :cool:

Back on holes#14 and 15, you again play the same hill-to-hill shots over a valley. Hole#16 plays to an awfully dangerous polehole location near the very busy intersection of Elmwood & E Gregory Blvd. At 433', competitors surely won't overthrow the basket from the tee, but if you hit one of the two guardian trees on the drive, you can easily throw an approach down into the road like I did. http://www.pdga.com/discussion/images/icons/icon13.gif

You finish the course with an easy righty-hyzer and must-deuce of 270' (which I parked for a head-banger) on 17, and then a final hill-to-hill shot over a valley on 18.

When I got to the host hotel, there were again hundreds of Silpada (http://www.silpada.com/public/) women who seemed to take delight whenever I would crowd into the elevator with 10 or so of them. :D After dinner, there was free jazz music at the restaurant at the top of the hotel with incredible views of the downtown skyline, and we were treated to a fireworks display off in the distance at one point. Again, the host hotel is unbelievably nice � Jack Lowe is THE MAN for hooking up golfers with this place and I just wish that more people took advantage of it because it is one of the nicest hotels I�ve ever seen.
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Well that�s it for tonight. Tomorrow it�s off to Wyco in the morning, and then we'll have some Junior and Mixed Doubles results up from Swope Park later in the day. :cool:

That tandem Duo from Carolina Coggins/Wiggins just won U-19 doubles. They held off a feirce team from Sweden. It may very well be that Carolina strikes first. Good Job guys, in 4 years you will get your drivers liscense, LOL

E-Mac and Liz take Pro Mixed Doubles.

PDGA Professional Worlds Mixed Doubles, Amateur Worlds Mixed Doubles, and Junior World Divisional Doubles results have been posted!

PDGA Professional Worlds Mixed Doubles Results (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9443)


PDGA Amateur Worlds Mixed Doubles Results (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9442)


PDGA Junior World Divisional Doubles Results (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9444)

the am players pack...
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/playerpackam.jpg

checking in
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/checkin.jpg

KC Journal Day 1:

Arrived at KC airport at 10 AM - went to see Wyco, Thornfield, checked in, then to one of Lorelei's courses - Pleasant Hill which is on a lake and across the street from Camels, Zebras, Kangaroos, Goats, Donkeys, Cows, Bulls, Shetland Ponies, as well other horses and animals.
Driving out to get back to the hotel, we saw an Owl, Hot Air Balloon, geese flying 10 feet overhead and a deer sitting(yes sitting) on the edge of the road 10 feet from the car. When we stopped to take a picture he just sat there, turning his head for different profile shots each time the camera clicked - obviously a stunt deer :).

Saw lots of familiar and friendly faces from Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan, California and the KC area - It's really nice to be back here after not being here since 2000 after coming every year from 1996.

I'm looking forward to seeing alot more during tomorrows travels to Rosedale, Swope, Blue Valley and Waterworks as well as the players at the putting and distance prelims(where I will try to defend my US Long Drive Masters division title from last year).

More tomorrow night -
Keith

<o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" images="" smilies="" redface.gif="" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" smilieid="2" class="inlineimg"></o:smarttagtype>Hi everybody! I am proud to give yet another update on the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships from here in <st1:city><st1>Kansas City</st1></st1:city>. Yesterday I started out at the <st1><st1>Wyandotte </st1><st1>County </st1><st1>Park </st1></st1>course out in <st1><st1:city>Bonner Springs</st1:city>, <st1:state>KS</st1:state></st1>. Unfortunately I parked at the wrong parking lot next to what I presumed were disc golfers – after they started donning Scottish kilts, it was only then that I realized that these were <st1>Highland </st1> games participants! :eek:
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Once I found the correct parking lot, as advertised, this was a mostly open “prairie course” with just enough large mature trees to keep drives honest. It's a very visually appealing course, and there are some really nice rolling elevation changes, and just enough pro par four holes balanced with a deucable par 3s to make for a sweet layout. This course also had *really* nice tee signs and concrete pads. After playing through a few recreational groups I came across Kari Vesala, a Masters player from <st1:country-region><st1>Finland</st1></st1:country-region> who was a super nice guy and had a cannon for an arm. He and I spent the rest of the round together and just had an all-around blast. :cool:
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The WyCo course is open enough that an individual review of each hole isn’t necessary, but there are a few highlights worth mentioning:

Hole#4 is a 480' pro par four which plays straight ahead about 300 feet next to a tree line; after that, the hole doglegs 90 degrees through a hole in the woods to a polehole placed on the hillside below the entrance road. Placement on the drive is really the key here.

The next one, #5, is only 246' but plays to an elevated 'hogback' which drops all around on the left, front, and right. It's a birdie most players should get, but an errant shot is all too easy here because of the fast green on 3 sides.

Hole#7 is a picturesque 549' pro par four through large mature trees and slightly uphill so it plays a little longer than the length would indicate.


Hole#13 is a wide open 666' field shot which would be an extremely straightforward and unexciting hole if not for the USDGC-like rope surrounding THE ENTIRE hole. The further one goes on the drive, the rope pinches ever more narrow from the tee until it almost reaches an apex. Big arms are definitely at a disadvantage here and will need to lay up to avoid the landing area at its narrowest. From there, competitors have a choice of throwing a left-to-right shot (as the hole doglegs about 45 degrees to the right) or an approach which carries almost entirely over OB to the polehole. A saving grace is that left of the basket is a high-banked wall leading up to the road to catch shots which come in too hot. You definitely do not want to bite off more than you can chew and go OB which will result in stroke and distance back to the OB line, where you are then looking at a circle 5 or worse. Kudos to the course designers for taking what would be a boring hole and making it possibly one of the best designed holes on the course.

Hole#14 is a 515' downhill pro par four which plays through scattered mature trees, across a pond to the polehole, and is easily the signature hole. One can throw a drive wide right and approach the basket from there, or throw a shortish shot down to the 'A' pin location and then make an approach across the pond. It's not a large pond to carry, but the strategy on how to play this hole is what makes golf such an exciting sport. :cool:

The course finishes with a 478' downhill bomber which is just a joy to rip, a 618' pro par four hole, and then the picturesque 18th hole which plays down a row of evenly spaced trees and looks like something out of a postcard - it's one of those quintessential holes that I love to see at disc golf courses.

The WyCo course is just so nice that it's tough to find anything at all to complain about. It could use a few more accuracy testers, although it doesn't appear that such terrain is available anywhere on the land given for the course, and so the designers did the best they could with the land given to them. If anything, there are several 'tweener' holes which aren't really the best distance for the skill level of the contestants playing them this week to generate proper scoring swings. (There are also a few of these tweeners at most of the courses I played this week so far) At 401', 450', 462', and 381', holes#1,2, 9 & 18 respectively are probably going to produce virtually zero scores of deuce, a *TON* of threes, and some loose bogeys for the Advanced golfers playing the course this week. A few Gold-level players in Masters or Grandmasters might score an occasional deuce on those holes, but I think the scores are going to be overwhelmingly skewed towards scores of 3 with a smattering of bogeys, which doesn't make for a very good scoring distribution.

Back at the Host Hotel, over 430 competitors checked in, with the rest to follow today and tomorrow. The PDGA staff and local volunteers did quite an outstanding job getting everyone their players packages with a minimum of wait. With disc golfers and the <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJeff%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsoht ml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]-->Silpada (http://www.silpada.com/public/) women co-mingling, it was quite a scene! When the scoreports came back from Doubles, we hustled to get the results up online and crown the first world champions of the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships. I ended the evening with dinner and then more free jazz music at the top of the hotel, and a cover of Pat Metheny's Bright Size Life from his debut album was especially tasty.

Today the Silpada (http://www.silpada.com/public/) women departed, leaving the host hotel all to ourselves. Registration continues along with the field events. It is quite a sight, with the long drive contest, putting, EDGE, and mini golf course being contested in the fields just in front of the Liberty Memorial. Words cannot do it justice at just how surreal this scene is, and I'm sure many photos will eventually be posted on the PDGA World Championships Media page (http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009) to show you its wondrous glory. As far as the distance contest goes, I tell you, when you see 17 year old juniors launching 485-495' bombs, it really makes me feel puny. :D

We'll try to get the results posted later as soon as we can. Until then, keep tuned to the PDGA website for continuing and regulary updated coverage!

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JL,
I have been watching your reviews, Ur reviews are right on and I cannot wait till tuesdays first worlds update. Let alone next fridays updates. I believe many folks have enjoyed your course review updates. Peace and enjoy.

Just an on looker from somebody that so wanted to be in KC this next week.

Peace

added pics from the field events held at the National WW1 Museum

http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/

view from the bottom
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/DSCN0355.jpg

view from the top
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/worlds%2009/DSCN0350.jpg

I can't stop saying this...THIS IS SO COOL!

Knowing that the whole of the world of disc golf is watching things from my adopted hometown this week, with 900+ people enjoying the courses I play somewhat regularly and a few that I've put some work into. I can't think of anyone from KC who's involved and not having a blast. Old friendships re-renewed, new ones made, a little bit of groupie syndrome, a whole lot of fun.
I agree with Jeff, watching the interaction between the jewelery ladies last evening, all decked out in their finest, and the disc golfers decked out in their normal, was wonderful.


I'll say it again...WELCOME! and, by all means, once you get back home next week and start reliving this experience, make plans to come back and see us again!

KC Star coverage from Sunday (http://www.kansascity.com/934/gallery/1347309.html)

Finally made it to KC, Mo just a little bit ago, can't wait to get to a course in the morning...then check in to the tourney/hotel later in the afternoon. WOOHOOOO, WORLDS IS FINALLY HERE FOR ME!!!!

any field event results available?

KC Journal Day 2:

Started out with the putting and long drive at the beautiful Liberty Memorial Park where all the field events were held. Putted with Jose Garza and Jay "Yeti" Reading with Jay leading in
Open and myself leading in Masters when we finished with 4 hours still to go. Results were not online, so I don't know what the final standing were yet. In Long Drive I nosed up my 2 best throws and with the crosswind and that worked out badly costing me 50-60 feet, with my 2 best barely over 400 topping out at 408 feet. The picture of me in the PDGA page is from me almost decapitating Brian Graham, who forgot I throw low line drive hyzers and set up on the "wrong side" to photograph me. :) Again leader in the clubhouse in Masters, but having zero hope I'll even be in the top 10 when results are posted. We then travelled until 9PM to see the remaining 4 courses for Lorelei, and 2 courses for me. I again saw my Pennsylvania friend, The Jeff Ash, the Readings, the rest of the PDGA staff, Mr. Chapman, the Sinclair's(with their oversized dogs :))and the Wallis's from the Worlds Staff as well as friends from Japan, Miami, Michigan, Texas, California, Oregon, Georgia, Arizona, Carolina's, Ohio, Maryland, and the KC area.

Then off to see the remaining courses - Lorelei plays 3 7000' courses in the 5 she plays with the other 2 barely hitting 9000' combined. She won't have an arm left when the week is over :)

Rosedale Down Under (Lorelei plays) - lots of up and down in a tight area. She threw every hole - I'm curious how the are gonna get from 18 to 1 without doubling back somewhere and/or coming out in the middle of Rosedale Original and getting whacked by throws on that course.
Rosedale Original (Both play) - Lorelei played a few of the trickier holes, while for me it was pretty much the same as when I last saw it in 2000 except for the "Island hole", 8 being in a new spot, and 17 being lengthened.

Then it was off to Waterworks (Lorelei plays) where Lorelei threw most of the holes to see the danger areas from tee and baskets - also pretty much the same as 2000 with hole 17 still being in the silliest of the positions available(6 [yes six] feet from OB on right and 21 feet from OB behind the basket).

Then over to Blue Valley (Keith plays) where I walked the course - LOTS of up, down with LOTS of length and a few places where you need to be in a good spot or you are left with no next shot - distance AND landing in the right spots will be key. I liked most of this course except for where playing to the next fairway over was the best shot for MY game such as playing 9's tee shot towards 8's tee pad, playing 12's tee shot to 13's fairway, and 16's tee shot towards 13's tee pad. Hole 3, 4, and 11 used good designers skills while not penalizing anyone who is NOT European or named Gurthie or Jenkins :), like holes 10 and 18 do.

Lastly we went to Swope (both play) where the aftermath of a truck driving down 4's fairways spinning the tires the WHOLE way as well as crashing into a tree leaving a bumper and other parts behind. This course has had the most changes from 2000 where baskets are mostly the same(hole 12 and 13 being the exceptions) but LOTS of trees are missing from the 7,8,9,10,11 areas and it is also sporting nice new tee signs!

Tomorrow we are off to visit Carthage so I'll still be married after Mom caddies for Lorelei all week. :)
Then we'll be going to the players meeting where I'm sure to see alot more friends from around the country.

More tomorrow night,
Keith

any field event results available?

All I know for now is that Lil Big Wigg 1st with a toss of 567, Lil Coggins1st with a 461. Terry Gallops, and Maureeb Higgins take 3rd Mixed Doubles.

Carolina in da House

and, a World Record for 80+ women, distance, at 120'.

I can't stop saying this...THIS IS SO COOL!

Knowing that the whole of the world of disc golf is watching things from my adopted hometown this week, with 900+ people enjoying the courses I play somewhat regularly and a few that I've put some work into.

I second that emotion, Steve! I'll never forget the feeling in 2005 of seeing Ken Climo, Barry Schultz, Nate Doss, Dave Feldberg, and a bunch of other top pros, out practicing in the days before the tournament started at Jordan Creek, the course where I first learned to play disc golf ten years before.

Running a Worlds is a ton of blood, sweat, and tears but the satisfaction of bringing the disc golf world to your home courses is simply priceless!

and, a World Record for 80+ women, distance, at 120'.

I believe there was also a 10 and under world record.

All I know for now is that Lil Big Wigg 1st with a toss of 567, Lil Coggins1st with a 461. Terry Gallops, and Maureeb Higgins take 3rd Mixed Doubles.

Carolina in da House

I got people from my local company to help spot distance in the morning, and were really blown away by some of those bombs that Little Wiggins threw. Congratulations to him and all of the young Carolinans.

any fantasy pools set up for this event? i'm a gambling man....


open pro:

i'm going with so cal this year:
anthon, rico, or mcbeth.

juniors:
somebody named Zack (or zach, zac, zak, zaq), there are 5 of them !

Be sure to follow all of the action from the 2009 PDGA Disc Golf World Championships from Kansas City by logging on to the Worlds Media page each day at PDGA.com:

http://www.pdga.com/worlds2009

I have seen a blog made by Addie(ty) and some pictures oh and 1 dg vid but not much more action....

Can we have some life feeds?

Arthur #3791