I'm scared.

So I won't play..

I'm scared.

So I won't play..



Too bad Greg...we could have grabbed Jose and Orville Wagner and had Team Sand Springs....

....SANDITES! :D

But I'm still curious.... I believe it was originally stated that you either use your rating (from the PDGA) or one will be figured from events played (even if unsanctioned). I don't know if Jer has a PDGA number, as I haven't found him. So, that would lead me to believe that assigning a number would be more accurate than taking 1 round. Notice only 1 of the 2 rounds for the TFO are even rated.

If you are going to use his play from the TFO as his rating, thats fine. But you have to include his 2nd round from the TFO as well; which haven't been figured for the NOV players. This will bring his "rating" up as he shot 6 strokes better. :eek:

He shot 104 and 98. According to the other rounds shot, a 98 is rated 915. Just a little higher than 797. The average of his only 2 rated rounds = 856. How is using 797 as his rating correct?
...just my 2 cents on the issue :)



Penny

The 98 at the TFO was from the whites with no propogators, therefore the the 856 estimate is innaccurate.

FYI
At Last years Stillwater Classic:
Round 1 at boomer
57 = 909
67 = 801

Round 4 at boomer
57 = 924
67 = 820

Oh and my team is not scared...we will take on any team this weekend for a cash game at the lodge. ;)

SANDITES!!

More information. Jeremy has joined the PDGA, they said to allow 2 to 3 weeks. He did this last week before going to Stillwater. I am not sure if he will receive a rating at that time or will his rating be assigned after the next ratings comes out for everyone? Jer and I are both very sensitive of the concerns for his rating. Believe me, we have no problem whatsoever in him sitting this one out. The only problem I see is how to make it right for his teammates to find another player. Bear in mind our mission here at The Lodge is and always will be to concuct ourselves with the highest degree of integrity. If anything causes our actions to become suspect, we remove ourselves from that situation. :cool:

More information. Jeremy has joined the PDGA, they said to allow 2 to 3 weeks. He did this last week before going to Stillwater. I am not sure if he will receive a rating at that time or will his rating be assigned after the next ratings comes out for everyone? Jer and I are both very sensitive of the concerns for his rating. Believe me, we have no problem whatsoever in him sitting this one out. The only problem I see is how to make it right for his teammates to find another player. Bear in mind our mission here at The Lodge is and always will be to concuct ourselves with the highest degree of integrity. If anything causes our actions to become suspect, we remove ourselves from that situation. :cool:



concuct? :o conduct :D

Wow!!!!....What a difference 24 hours makes. :o

I agree with you Paul. Looks like someone is trying to sneek a low-rated ringer into the mix. :o;)

Controversy or Conspiracy????? ....Comes with the TD. :D

In the long run though, it is what it is and as long as everyone agrees it probably shouldn't be changed. If team Struggle was lucky enough to find the guy then they should be rewarded but an asterick should be included next to their name should they ultimately prove victorious.

Where is the **** TD to make a ruling on this????? :confused: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'll just leave it up to the TD to make the decision.

The 98 at the TFO was from the whites with no propogators, therefore the the 856 estimate is innaccurate.

FYI
At Last years Stillwater Classic:
Round 1 at boomer
57 = 909
67 = 801

Round 4 at boomer
57 = 924
67 = 820




Jake has hit the nail on the head. This is for Paul and any others that question my ratings for them. I gave Jeremy the 797 because it was the only rated round. The second round had no propagators so therefore is totally inaccuarate. Also keep in mind that Jeremy had only been playing for about a week when we had that tournament so that is where I set his rating. As for Stillwater, I would hope he would shoot better, there is only two hole with any shule on them, the course is wide open. You can spray a shot 200ft wide and still get a par. But I'd guess you'd like to compare Boomer to Pawhuska? Thats like comparing Blackhawk to McClure, come on guys, you'll have to make a much better argument than that.
Paul if you want me to make a list of the over rated players I'll be happy to but trust me YOUR name will be on that list. You shoot way better that your rating, it just depends on if you have your head together that day.
Like it or not! :p

I'll even use one of my players as an example, George Skinner rated at 815, way under rated. I assure you by the time the event rolls around he'll be shooting 880 to 890. Is that fair? Hell yes it is, players are expected to get better if they are trying and a new player has the greatest chance to advance thier play, they only have one way to go......up.

From the flyer on the TDSA site:Ratings: All players will be required to have a PDGA rating, if no rating is available, one will be assigned
to the player, based on his most recent performance at any event


But the biggest factor is this event is a dictatorship and I'm the head dick. His rating stays. Any other comments Paul? Penny? Anyone else?


I still can't grasp the fact that you Paul and others are biatching about Jeremy?????????????????? :confused:
If he bothers you, you might want to watch out for Melissa, she WILL kick your arse. :o Or you could quit worring about them and try to practice not Blowing up during a round so you can at least shoot your rating. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You are SFOS..... :D

You need to stay the hell out of this, its for disc golfers and even more so for team players of which you are neither. :p

just do us one favor and rename your team for us guys.....

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797 3698

to: team padded hand

i love it. let them play. it will be a blast. team commod bod is ready :cool:

Good move Wise.

I support it 100%.

Paul, just so you and Penny know, there is no conspiracy, there was no attempt to sneak a player under the radar. I am trying to make it so that all levels of players have a chance to play this event. That is why I said if they don't have a rating I would assign them one.
I have tried to look at any events they have played, including minis. I not only look at their scores but the socres of players just above them and below them. I have tried to be fair as possible to make it so all can play. I know some of these decisions will not go over well but I am trying to make it fair.

The other thing that I see people missing the point on is they are too hung up on the ratings. The ratings are only to establish your team. The fact remains, can your players perform on that day on that course? Remember, the winners will be determined by lowest overall score, not how well they shot above or how far they shot below their rating. On top of that, I will flight it after the first round. This will put the better teams against each other in the "A" Flight and the others in the "B" flight. This also evens out the teams a little more.

Lets see how the scores come out in this event, then we can judge, critique and suggest changes for the next year's event. I am always open to suggestions, that is how we got to the 3700 points cap, remember? ;)

You need to stay the hell out of this, its for disc golfers and even more so for team players of which you are neither. :p



Awwww shucks. :(.... Somebody other than me takes a swipe at your TD skills like you take swipes at mine and now you go all wimpy and defensive on me? :confused:.... Let me buy you a happy meal little buddy. I thought at one time Dorries was going to be on your team until his rating went up. Now you jump on the guy because he makes a comment on a loophole you didn�t foresee? It�s not your fault. I agree with your ruling. You told me a long time ago that DG ratings are not always fair and if money is on the line and you can get an possible advantage you take it. :)

I think it would be wrong for anyone to drop out because of this. The worst that could happen is these guys will blow the field away and you�ll be accused of a backdoor payoff but don�t worry because it won�t tarnish your rep as being the �Head Peter�. :D

[quote :(.... Somebody other than me takes a swipe at your TD skills like you take swipes at mine and now you go all wimpy and defensive on me? <font color="red">The difference is my events start on time and I don't owe people money when they're over. :o </font>

Now you jump on the guy because he makes a comment on a loophole you didn�t foresee? <font color="red">what loophole? I said if they don't have a rating I'll assign them one and I did. I never said anyone had to agree with it. </font>

You told me a long time ago that DG ratings are not always fair and if money is on the line and you can get an possible advantage you take it. :) <font color="red"> still feel that way. How does me giving a rating to another player on another team give me an advantage? :confused:</font>

I think it would be wrong for anyone to drop out because of this. The worst that could happen is these guys will blow the field away and you�ll be accused of a backdoor payoff <font color="red">We'll let the final results speak for themselves. </font> but don�t worry because it won�t tarnish your rep as being the �Head Peter�. :D

[/QUOTE]

As usual a WISE directive from the TD. :D
A rating was assigned and ratings are now frozen.
I fully intend to supprort my team with rounds above my whimpy rating (how could I not beat an 830 somthing in the late fall with cool weather to help) :cool:
Good move Dave! :)

Wow? It got quiet in here............................ /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That is because I've decided to take my conspiracy theories about you elsewhere.

I told you you would miss me when I'm gone. ;)

Only 8 spots left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



1. Team OKC
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895 3700

2. Team Commod Bod
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922 3698

3. Team OCD
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893 3699

4. Team Lodge Jam
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Byan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901 3698

5. Team High Rollers
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815 3698

6. Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797 3698

7. Team Woollaroc
Dale Patterson 941
Chris Stine 912
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832 3620

8. Team 3 Hacks and a Lady
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823 3694

9. Is there a Dr. In the house
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892 3695

10. Team Crack-a-lac
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 911
Ken Ward 922
Mat Razmus 883 3700

what does team oCD stand for? OLD CRUMBLY MEN :confused: :D:D:D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I MEANT OLD CRUMBLY DUDES.

Obsessive comments disease, one of their players is severly debilitated with it. :D

Well, obviously I'm not going to change a TD's mind, but I will say this with confidence.

Wise:

Please do not [expletive deleted] make this about who is underrated and who is over rated, this isn't about people that have 20+ round ratings already logged with the PDGA. This is about you giving one guy a 797 rating based off of one round. No you can't compare boomer to the lodge, but thats not the ISSUE. The issue is the rating assigned to a player, and I'm sorry but 797 isn't comprehensive for him. If you want to go ahead and "official" it since you are the TD, thats on you man. Like I said before, I think your system for calculating ratings for unrated players was bypassed for this circumstance. Penny and Furdog saw the logic behind what I was trying to say and I think other do too, they just don't want to say anything about it. Even treat saw what I was pointing out.

Obviously a change won't happen, I don't see you as the kind of guy willing to admit he was wrong in locking that rating, so let it stand it is your call. However, your system is flawed.

After this final peace im done with this issue...

Yes this event is about trying to find the "value" players and get them on your team, but the thing about my team is, we all have ratings from the PDGA, with multiple rounds to show for the ratings. The whole point of the tournament was to set a ratings cap to keep people from super bagging a team. I have NOTHING against jeremy or even his teammates, but basing his rating for the team event off of one round at the course is a major flaw in what I perceived as the way you were going to assign ratings to unrated players. im dun.

TRUE, TRUE, WELL THEN.... THEY SHOULD TAKE A DOG ALONG TO LICK UP THEIR MESS. :o:p

Door, its like our gov., it is flawed but its the best in the world. :D see, we still allow furdoglickme to play along with the tennis ball. :eek:

Obsessive comments disease, one of their players is severly debilitated with it. :D

si senor..... sorry James.. :)

Well, obviously I'm not going to change a TD's mind, but I will say this with confidence.

Wise:

Please do not f*$#ing make this about who is underrated and who is over rated, <font color="red"> That is exactly what you were complaing about! You have stated he has a rating that is not indicative of his game. :confused: </font> this isn't about people that have 20+ round ratings already logged with the PDGA. This is about you giving one guy a 797 rating based off of one round. No you can't compare boomer to the lodge, but thats not the ISSUE. The issue is the rating assigned to a player, and I'm sorry but 797 isn't comprehensive for him. If you want to go ahead and "official" it since you are the TD, thats on you man. Like I said before, I think your system for calculating ratings for unrated players was bypassed for this circumstance. Penny and Furdog saw the logic behind what I was trying to say and I think other do too, they just don't want to say anything about it. Even treat saw what I was pointing out.

Obviously a change won't happen, I don't see you as the kind of guy willing to admit he was wrong in locking that rating, so let it stand it is your call. However, your system is flawed.

After this final peace im done with this issue...

Yes this event is about trying to find the "value" players and get them on your team, but the thing about my team is, we all have ratings from the PDGA, with multiple rounds to show for the ratings. The whole point of the tournament was to set a ratings cap to keep people from super bagging a team. I have NOTHING against jeremy or even his teammates, but basing his rating for the team event off of one round at the course is a major flaw in what I perceived as the way you were going to assign ratings to unrated players. im dun.




Yes, I gave him a 797 based off of the only rated round he had ever played and his 6th round in his life. Do you have a better solution? Do you want me to adjust what i consider every under rated player right up to the event?

Admit I'm wrong? Please Paul do tell what it is I am supposed to admit to? Is the fact that I said ratings would be locked after the next update? Or should I admit to giving a new player, with no history the best I could assign to him in my opinon and his actual rating for that round?

As for your final piece on this, I posted from the begining that if you had no rating I would assign one to them. The key word your missing here is "I". I didn't list a criteria or a set of guidelines to establish a rating. What I did do was gather all of the information I could, tournaments, minis, what ever I could find.
I have done nothing different that the orginal flyer I posted nor did I feel I did a team a special favor, that never crossed my mind.

So tell us Paul, how would you have rated him and what citeria would you have used? I am more than willing to listen to your opinon, but please back it up with something substantial. I used his PDGA rated round, what do you propose?

In addition to that, I think you may get a grasp of the bigger picture the day, if ever you decide to step out of the Player role and into a TD role. I have always professed, if you don't like the way an event is ran or handled, please feel free to design your own, with your own guidelines, rules and formats. If it is viable then members will get behind it, if not, I'm sure they'll tell you about it here. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nice post Paul and you're right. Wise will never admit when he is wrong. His ego-tality will not allow him. I was unsure at first about what this whole thing was about but I guess the guy shoots a 57 (+3 over par) at Boomer and he's automatically considered a sub 800 rated player?

I've never played Boomer so if I go down there an shoot a 57 does that mean I should be rated sub 800? :confused:

just do us one favor and rename your team for us guys.....

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797 3698

to: team padded hand

i love it. let them play. it will be a blast. team commod bod is ready :cool:



Pot calling the kettle black. You guys are the most under rated team of all. :D

BTW....Team Comod Bod is by far the best name so far. Everytime I think of the name it cracks me up thinking about Patton's "Comod Bod" out at Pawhuska....LMFAO!!

I guess since you have to "LOCK" the ratings at a certain point for team assembly that is the only way I can see it being justified. I see your logic there.

My original post was to pose the question about Jeremy and his rating and I guess I am satisfied with your response here. I still think if you look at the bigger picture of the point of the event to put teams on an even playing field as far as ratings go, you have failed, but you have to set deadlines and cut-offs, i understand that more now than I did before.

So, am I satisfied with the situation? not really, not at all. But I can understand how you made the decision you did now. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

Also, I'd like to say again that I never had, or have any beef with anyone mentioned in the posts, I was simply trying to figure out how someone could get a "RATING" off of one round, but now I see how you did it. So much for an even playing field! Just gonna have to learn how to putt better between now and then (easy right?!)

I've never played Boomer so if I go down there an shoot a 57 does that mean I should be rated sub 800? :confused:



i guess that round was done after he locked the ratings, so it has no merit... 57 at boomer!! only 4 strokes off a 988 rated player NICE! only 6 strokes off mr. consistent mitch mac at 995!!

FUNNY SITUATION!!!?!!

If I had a dollar for every time some guy in novice shot a 47 at Chandler and tells me that he's only been playing 2 weeks, I would be rich. :o

Or should I admit to giving a new player, with no history the best I could assign to him in my opinon and his actual rating for that round?



You did your best assignment?! Really? So you look at one round 797, OK thats it! The fact that the 98 he shot has no propagators is just PDGA rules, it doesn't mean you couldn't assess that round into your calculation (which you didn't).

eh?

Holy cow...we still have more than a month before the event. I hope this 'discussion/biotching' doesn't continue through October! Let me add that I am super excited and can't wait for this event!

Well I guess I just don't understand.

Tournament Date Round Score Rating Included
The Twisted Flyer $10,000 Challenge 02-Aug-2008 1 66 816 Yes
Lucky Shot presents The Links at Springdale 01-Jun-2008 1 62 726 No
Lucky Shot presents The Links at Springdale 01-Jun-2008 2 61 763 Yes
Spring Fling and Championships Series #1 23-Feb-2008 1 57 843 Yes
Spring Fling and Championships Series #1 23-Feb-2008 2 61 846 Yes
3rd Annual Alma Greens 30-Jun-2007 1 62 840 Yes
3rd Annual Alma Greens 30-Jun-2007 2 64 844 Yes
McClure Classic 23-Jun-2007 1 62 855 Yes
McClure Classic 23-Jun-2007 2 70 791 Yes

Out of the rounds the PDGA used to calc my 821 rating, I only have 1 (57). :confused:

Get someone else new to the sport let them play a mini, play bad. Whyala 700 rated player for your team, no double standards so they have to give them that rating!!!

Wow I bet even jeremy could beat Furdog no offence Furdog how is your rating so hi ;)

Well I don't know???? :(....Even with the 66 in OKC they still gave me an 816 round. :confused:

It's got to be a conspiracy. :mad::D

he is one of those rare over-rated players!! That or it has something to do with playing that mountain of his!

u mean underrated

Or should I admit to giving a new player, with no history the best I could assign to him in my opinon and his actual rating for that round?



You did your best assignment?! Really? So you look at one round 797, OK thats it! The fact that the 98 he shot has no propagators is just PDGA rules, it doesn't mean you couldn't assess that round into your calculation (which you didn't).

eh?




As I aksed you earler Paul, just how would you have assigned him a rating and what would it be and under what criteria did you arrive at it? PLEASE TELL US.

And the no propogators is a VALID point, and yes I could have assessed that round but it wouldn't be accurate. How would that be any more accurate than the method I used? Other than it might raise his rating to what YOU feel is accurate.
And if you truley understood the ratings formula, you would know it DOES make a difference with or without the propogators.
Quit questioning how I did it or how you disagree with it and give us all your formula for giving him a rating BUT like I said use something substantial, not just your opinion.

So lets see how you have have done it...............


By the way is this your final piece or was it the last two or the one before that? :o

Holy cow...we still have more than a month before the event. I hope this 'discussion/biotching' doesn't continue through October! Let me add that I am super excited and can't wait for this event!



Thanks Melissa, I'm looking forward to it also. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

u mean underrated



he had it right with OVER rated. :D

Paul, you keep talking about the 2nd round at Pawhuska, but that was from the whites! A 98 from the whites when Devan shot 73 from the blues! That's definately not a 800+ round. I think Wise made a pretty accurate estimate of his rating based on the results of that tourney. Keep in mind he had only been playing a VERY short period of time. Wise assigned him a rating and we as a team thought he would quickly improve so we built a team around that assumption. That's what this process is all about, whether it is a new non-pdga rated player that you think will quickly improve or a pdga rated player that has not renewed in awhile and has improved beyond their rating etc...you are trying to gain somekind of advantage with those player selections. This plan can in either scenario, easily blow up in your face. So you make your picks once the ratings are locked in and go play the tourney and see what happens. It's like if my son were for some reason wanting to play in this tourney, he hasn't been a pdga member for a few years and his last rating was somewhere around 875. That would have to be his rating right? Believe me, my son, as little as he plays (2 or 3 times a year) is an easy 930 player if not way higher. It's all about trying to find guys like that. at least that's our strategy. Anyway, like Furdog said, it is what it is, and it is JUST A GAME!! I take none of this personally and appreciate you making that clear....it's all good. :D

Okay, I will agree to adjust Jermy's rating since he is playing better now. My bad.

He is now a 799. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Okay, I will agree to adjust Jermy's rating since he is playing better now. My bad.

He is now a 799. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



at least you admitted you were wrong. Ok so with this new rating lets see, oh they are 3700 perfect! Well now I really smell bul$hite

You made steps in realizing you were wrong, I'll give you that much, but oh wait you forgot to really fix the situation. terrid

So lets see how you have have done it..



like u said, it is your tournament, your call. i know you won't lose sleep over all the people who feel like its lame. so im not worried about it, bottom line, you wont fix it, you dont care, so why waste keystrokes... lets just let it be... im glad I am getting the full experience of a Wise event in my first one! This is a real tight ship u got runnin here!

And you have YET to provide your formula for how you would have done it differently and what rating you would have arrived at for him.

Please enlighten us. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

like u said, it is your tournament, your call. i know you won't lose sleep over all the people who feel like its lame. so im not worried about it, bottom line, you wont fix it, you dont care, so why waste keystrokes... lets just let it be... im glad I am getting the full experience of a Wise event in my first one! This is a real tight ship u got runnin here!
This isn't the Navy, you're not required to stay on board. :o :phttp://www.wilcomarineservices.co.nz/uploads/61379/images/52680/liferaft-image.jpg




Don't tell me, SHOW ME!

Step up and lay out your calculations! I eagerly await your formula. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

MA3 Jeremy Taylor 57 67 124
Give him a rating for these rounds from this weekend to put in a few more rounds to access a somewhat accurate rating. ;)

Hey, I do care, if I didn't care, Paul, I would have addressed your first post with a very simple FO.

I am more than willing to listen to your arguments but you haven't provided any. The only thing you have provided is your disatsifaction with the determination I made. If I didn't listen we wouldn't have a team cap and it would be a divisonal format.

I am listening and still waiting for you to answer my previous questions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif of which you continue to avoid, with more accusations of improper ratings and now against my event in general and the way I run it. :mad:

Come on now..................I laid out all of my reasons and methods of how I did it and I WANT to hear how you would have done it differently. ;)

I'm sure we ALL do now. :o

Paul, you keep talking about the 2nd round at Pawhuska, but that was from the whites! A 98 from the whites when Devan shot 73 from the blues! That's definately not a 800+ round. I think Wise made a pretty accurate estimate of his rating based on the results of that tourney. Keep in mind he had only been playing a VERY short period of time. Wise assigned him a rating and we as a team thought he would quickly improve so we built a team around that assumption. That's what this process is all about, whether it is a new non-pdga rated player that you think will quickly improve or a pdga rated player that has not renewed in awhile and has improved beyond their rating etc...you are trying to gain somekind of advantage with those player selections. This plan can in either scenario, easily blow up in your face. So you make your picks once the ratings are locked in and go play the tourney and see what happens. It's like if my son were for some reason wanting to play in this tourney, he hasn't been a pdga member for a few years and his last rating was somewhere around 875. That would have to be his rating right? Believe me, my son, as little as he plays (2 or 3 times a year) is an easy 930 player if not way higher. It's all about trying to find guys like that. at least that's our strategy. Anyway, like Furdog said, it is what it is, and it is JUST A GAME!! I take none of this personally and appreciate you making that clear....it's all good. :D



Oh good grief!
Big Dave is right, Devon would shoot way under that score from the white and my rating is 830 ish and I have bested that score of 98 by 20+ strokes so at the time of the freeze he was sub 800! Remember he shot that 98 on his home course for crying out loud he had every advantage a person could have just to get there. I think the rating he received was over what he would have shot on say a black hawk or red hawk or maybe even a McClure round.

MA3 Jeremy Taylor 57 67 124
Give him a rating for these rounds from this weekend to put in a few more rounds to access a somewhat accurate rating. ;)



If I do that I will have to recalc more than just him. That is why I set the ratings freeze with the last update of Sept 9th. Besides there were no ratings out of this event. And if you want to look at his 67 against Devan's 47, well there is a 20 stroke difference of a 982 player. Lets see, 982, that would put him 20 strokes under Devan, right? That would put him at a 782. :o

granted his 57 was a hot round for him but his second round put him right where I had him rated.

Agree or disagree?

u mean underrated



he had it right with OVER rated. :D


I meant by the # you gave him

http://www.orgs.okstate.edu/zgss/images/SBMaxJab.jpg :D;)

what did they play sunday at lodge? white tees?

so a 98 on saturday was 827 average it in with 797 and voila u get 812... it may not be perfect but its a BETTER GUESS than .. here we go... one round 797, yep thats the rating

we know things arent changing for this event, but lets say possibly for next event if you pick up someone with one "rated" round their rating will adjust with local play until the event or something...

so basically what you are telling me is, i get one of my friends that occasionally plays disc golf for fun, can probably shoot in the 830s or so... i get him to play one pdga event and he shoots a 701 and since that is the only rated round hes 701 for the team event... shoot im callin up my buddies for the next one...

Wasn't he talking about FuDog?

MA3 Jeremy Taylor 57 67 124
Give him a rating for these rounds from this weekend to put in a few more rounds to access a somewhat accurate rating. ;)



If I do that I will have to recalc more than just him. That is why I set the ratings freeze with the last update of Sept 9th. Besides there were no ratings out of this event. And if you want to look at his 67 against Devan's 47, well there is a 20 stroke difference of a 982 player. Lets see, 982, that would put him 20 strokes under Devan, right? That would put him at a 782. :o

granted his 57 was a hot round for him but his second round put him right where I had him rated.

Agree or disagree?



you're just burrying yourself in a hole man. you dont make sense, face it.

a 57 say its a 930 rated round, averaged with the 782 rated round that ur calculating.. averages out to 856

If I do that I will have to recalc more than just him.



wrong again. you recalc him because he doesnt have a pdga rating.

ur on fire!

MA3 Jeremy Taylor 57 67 124
Give him a rating for these rounds from this weekend to put in a few more rounds to access a somewhat accurate rating. ;)



listen to coda, dave

if you come up with a logical rating for these, its just not close to 797 for an average. sorry but weve already talked about this before, it didnt happen when you made your decision... so assess the other 98 then. no matter how close you wanna cut it, basically anything reasonable that you call the "98" will bring 797 up to 800 at least

what did they play sunday at lodge? white tees?

so a 98 on saturday was 827 average it in with 797 and voila u get 812... it may not be perfect but its a BETTER GUESS than .. here we go... one round 797, yep thats the rating <font color="red">You keep skipping the fact that his second round had no propogators in it </font>

we know things arent changing for this event, but lets say possibly for next event if you pick up someone with one "rated" round their rating will adjust with local play until the event or something... <font color="red">And just how would that work paul? When is your cut off date? What are you going to kick a team out because you adjusted someone's rating three days before the event? I'm sure you won't catch any flack for that. </font>

so basically what you are telling me is, i get one of my friends that occasionally plays disc golf for fun, can probably shoot in the 830s or so... i get him to play one pdga event and he shoots a 701 and since that is the only rated round hes 701 for the team event... shoot im callin up my buddies for the next one... <font color="red">feel free to do so. But if they play any minis that I can see a score or any non-sacntioed events, I would include those to get a better picture. You keep preaching your rating is accurate because of the dozens of rated rounds you have. Okay, I'll agree. Now, how is it that one or even two rated rounds can be indicative of a players true capabilities? Answer: they can't be. So I'm left with having to make a decision while keeping the whole event in perspective. I wanted an event that would include ALL levels of players and you have spent the whole day biatching about a player that was rated 797 and you think he should be an 812. That is a difference of 1.5 strokes per round. 1.5 Paul! You've done all this biatching about a player with less than 1 month under his belt and the fact that he MIGHT be 1.5 strokes off his rating. </font>




I have a better idea for you, instead of calling up your buddies next year, why don't you STEP up and run an event. :o


This is how you proposed we resolve the problem?
And I will STILL stand by my decision, you have yet to offer any kind of concrete alternative.

I think the whole confusion here is that on your flyer you state, � ALL PLAYERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PDGA RATING ,� then you blow that right out your butt by adding right behind it, � if no rating is available, one will be assigned to the player, based on his most recent performance at any event." :confused:

Read the �wording�. It�s right off your TDSA flyer. At what point did �Required� go out the window? Is that like when a police officer gives you a warning for speeding and let�s you go? It's guys like you that are running the economy into the ground. You should have let Opie use his lawyer skills to go over this before you threw this out there. Even Marie�s Legal Assistants can spot this one. One round does not equal a PDGA rating. On top of that, now it doesn't have to even be a rated round. Any non-member player that tanks a mini can get in with a sub 800 rating. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And don�t be using my Chandler statistics because most of those guys are just looking for ace runs. As far as my Dovillio statistics, those are only as accurate as the TD�s that posted them on the board in the first place.

I think the reason for the flip-flop contradicting eligibility requirements is that initially you might have thought that the event might not fill if you made it exclusive PDGA rating only. But most people liked that because letting the PDGA do the calcs takes away any one player's personal judgement. What it really comes down to Dave is that you are the Sarah Palin of Tulsa TD�s. One day you�re for the Bridge to Nowhere and the next day you�re against it. ;)....It's not Jeremy's nor his teams fault that you dropped the puck. ;)

We trust the PDGA. We just don't trust you. :D

Then you come on here and try to belittle Dorries and I for pointing it out. We still love you man but one Turkey Tournament a year does not make you an expert in judgement. I think the real problem is deep down inside you might really be a nice guy. :o

__I think the real problem is deep down inside you might really be a nice guy. ---
nah that aint it!! :p ;) :D

ive proposed that you try to come up with a rating for the 98... and if you have any kind of analytical skills you would probably find that any number you come up with for the 98 will be higher than 801 which is what you proposed with your lame "his new rating is 799" statement.

maybe you would like to inform me on how to go about running a tournament, that sounds like a good thing. if you would have just stepped back in the beginning of all this and said well lets see if there was any other way to calculate this, people might not find this fair, you coulda saved yourself a lot of trouble. now no matter what happens its gonna be a big ordeal.

IMO, the lack of propagators is a non-issue, unless you're saying the round conditions were significantly different. The PDGA makes a policy of combining rounds to allow them to be rated if the SSA is shown to be consistent enough to allow it. Looks to me like the round scores were extremely consistent, with the exception of Jeremy, which to me suggests that the 797 was a bad round. That would be my argument.

That, and the fact that the only ones defending your decision are you and the guys on his team. :o

Or maybe I just like to argue the opposite side of the argument from you... :D

Furdog is right, I merely pointed out a very gray area in your assigned rating and now all of a sudden im the lawyer for this case? i think dave should have the ability to assess the situation on his own without me proposing some rating (although i HAVE).

dave u said its only 1.5 strokes per round, have you ever played in an event was won by 3 strokes or less?? Duh, every stroke and especially in this situation every rating point counts. an 800 (.3 tenths of a stroke) puts them over the limit and illegal. So shouldn't it be more closely looked at?

I have explained it and stand by it. I didn't flip flop anything, nothing has changed since day one. About a 1/3 of the current field aren't current PDGA members, shoud I have just made it for current paid members with recent tournaments only?

I tried to make an event that everyone could play, not just the elite ams and pros. I wanted someting that would put lesser rated palyers with better rated players.
I think we have that. No one had a problem with rated players a or the ones I assigned a rating to until now. Sorry but now is too late. I posted a ratings freeze and I'm goin to stick to it. Just like bag tags, remember? You came in with the tag you had the week before, I didn't care if you had upgraded after the fact.

While I looked at your chandler scores, they didn't weigh in hardly at all, just because of the course and it lacks of a challenge.

Another reason for the ratings freeze was to avoid just that, pleople tanking rounds so that they could get a lower rating for this event. I felt it was much better to use scores from past events that are a more true indicator of how they play. While there is no perfect system, this is the one we have come up with and you like Paul have offered no slotultions or alternatives.
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The mini tonight should be interesting after 6 pages of messages on this topic alone today...sheesh...maybe I'll get there early to witness the commotion!

Look folks,
Wise was asked by the course OWNER (he who owns the realestate)(duh) to come up with a way that local players and those new to the sport could still be included in an event in THEIR back yard!
Wise man came through with a method that let these new players get a spot in a first class event and not frozen out by those of us who are "members" of the disc golf comunity and belong to the PDGA.
For goodness sakes do you really think that one home grown player is going to tip the balance of a team, or skew the event results?
I would be more worried about a high rated player blowing up (since so much will be riding on their performence) than about a sub 850 player having a good round.
After all this is a two round event and a good first round does not always get followed by a better second round (especially if there is too much liquid in the lunch) :D

sry im in class, i wont be there to be stoned... apparently im the @sshole here

Paul, let me put it so you CAN understand it.

The ratings are set, the teams are in, the date is set, nothing will change. I just find it very amazing that you have spent the day complaing about a newbie that may be off by 1.5 strokes. :oAnd I ask, did you look at his last round at Stillwater? I'd bet not. He shot 20 strokes off of Devan who is a 982, you do the math.

Sorry to dissapoint you Paul, but had you submitted him for your team he would have gotten the same rating.
Now ask yourself, you would you be biatching then?

Seriously, would you? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

sry im in class, i wont be there to be stoned... apparently im the @sshole here



what the hell are you talking about now?

I have explained it and stand by it. I didn't flip flop anything, nothing has changed since day one. About a 1/3 of the current field aren't current PDGA members,shoud I have just made it for current paid members with recent tournaments only?

<font color="red">current or non-current doesn't matter. PDGA rating requirement does!!!!! </font>

I tried to make an event that everyone could play, not just the elite ams and pros. I wanted someting that would put lesser rated palyers with better rated players.

<font color="red">key word that keeps showing up in that sentence is "Rated". </font>


I think we have that. No one had a problem with rated players a or the ones I assigned a rating to until now.

<font color="red">Who else have you assigned a rating too? </font>

Sorry but now is too late. I posted a ratings freeze and I'm goin to stick to it. Just like bag tags, remember? You came in with the tag you had the week before, I didn't care if you had upgraded after the fact.

Another reason for the ratings freeze was to avoid just that, pleople tanking rounds so that they could get a lower rating for this event. I felt it was much better to use scores from past events that are a more true indicator of how they play. While there is no perfect system, this is the one we have come up with and you like Paul have offered no slotultions or alternatives.
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Nixon's last words..... "I am not a crook!!!!" :D

Are you going to Dovillio tonight or do you have to play Hockey Mom???? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You guys really this bored to bicker back and fourth about something so minor.. 797 to 850 isn't really no difference in someones game.. a putt or two!!!

can't we all just get along!!!

Thats what I said earlier, we are talking about a possible 1.5 stroke difference, Hell Nicholson can blow more than that on one hole. :o:D

Let the scores speak for themselves.

This thread is awesome, why are "team challenge threads" always so awesome :confused:

too bad that Pitch ain't current so he could post :o:D

17 people viewing when I looked in

I did that and some on the island hole double circle 6 and a circle 4

Go easy here today, don't make me start up on the WAFDA thread. :o:D

When the 797 was brought up yesterday, there have been 97 replies...mine makes it 98...c'mon. let's makes it an even 100! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Is now a good time to say that I am going to be playing!!!!

I did that and some on the island hole double circle 6 and a circle 4



Let me guess...............Burns Park. :D

Hell yes! :D Who's your team?

burns was a 6 and a 5, i was reffering to TFO!

Stupid Islands!

In the making, need some super underaters(if thats even a word)

PM Sent

Is now a good time to say that I am going to be playing!!!!



I think that Coda is <u>under</u>rated and should be ASSigned a rating by twoputt ;) :D

Well I think he is over rated. :D

But some people think I think I'm over rated, so what the hell.

Coda, I have ASSigned you a rating of 3702, sorry dude, just over the cap, better luck next year. :D

knew I should have missed a couple more putts!

I was -9 going into 17 on the golds yesterday, finished -6

I think my rating is so poor that I'm in the negative :( so Coda should pick me to drop his rating down :)

Dovillio where it's all about the golf!

...and the judgment! :D

I think he ment that he would be stoned, as in trash talked to. :confused:

Wise is good at that!

i say we assign jeremy a rating of 980 but then grandfather him in under the ratings freeze....congrats jeremy you the man ;) :p

Stoners (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohwyand2/w/smithville/dc/stoner_samuel_a_clara_v.jpg)

deleted by PAUL.... apparently people dont know me so i wont be sarcastic on the boards anymore

OK guys, here's my thought. We have two ways to go from here. 1) I will remove Jeremy from the tournament for the sake of stopping this incessant nitpicking and pay for his teammates entry fees when they find another player. 2) It's a sport, PLAY IT. Jeremy has three rounds under his belt with other players now. TFO, McClure and Boomer. Today he banged dang near every tree on the place. I see it like this, on any given day any athlete is capable of rising above his normal performance or falling way below expectations. The 3700 cap was a way to even the playing field by mixing up really good players with average and intermediate players for the sake of a good tournament. I think this has worked out very well. Honestly, I don't think Jeremy has the kind of game that would designate him as a sandbagger. Can he play with Coda, Devan, Jared, I don't think so. Is he a competitor? FIERCELY. I have been out mowing all day and apparently this discussion caught fire while I was out. Let's put it to bed. Somebody put up a poll, if more people think Jeremy should sit out than think he should play, then let's do what the majority say, I THINK we still live in a democratic society. :confused:

One other point I'd like to remind everyone of here, prior to Jeremy going to Boomer this past weekend I asked the question on the board if his rating was frozen or could it still be influenced by more recent performance. Based upon those responses we went to Stillwater to support the Treat's and let Jer get some experience. Had the answer at that time reflected all the chatter we have seen here today, we would have kept him home not supported the event and we wouldn't even be here today. That is why I asked. Some people ask me about my rates on construction equipment, sometimes they fail to see what I see. I may charge one guy $1000 to build him a home pad or something, the next guy $3500 the reason, one is good easy dirt, (Boomer, easy to play) the other is solid rock with very little dirt and hard on the equipment (The Lodge) same equipment, same operator but not nearly the same ball park. :D

your right jim that say it all so let him play he is no way a sandbagger you cant please them all

The team is already made and entered in the tourney.
If people don't like the TD's decision then they can stay home and not play.

i think i can speak for team OKC and say we want jeremy to play.the ratings cap was just to be fair between all teams.as i see it its still fair .which was the point in the first place.anyone can shoot 30-40 above or below there rating pretty easily.so the team that shoots best will win.

i would pay $50 to hang out and play golf with my teamates at the lodge.the bonus is if we play good we might win some cash.shwake,doug and steve are better than any comedy act you could go to for $50.

lol @ wise... dude you avoid all of my valid posts and keep saying that I proposed nothing. ur such a horrible TD w0w.

well if devan and cdubs team doesnt win it would be the biggest utter failure of the year.

goodluck baggers, u gonna need all the ratings point edge you can get.



Now you are over the line Paul.

Remember you still have to play golf with these guys...

I think you would do better to take a little more consideration before you start posting like that.

But there would not have been any scene man, never fear showing your face. But if you are going to post with the tone you just did then whatever, but don't expect Dave or anyone else to reciprocate in the same, tasteless, manner.

Just my opinion.

(And sorry I missed the stoned reference, guess it was just the first thing I thought of. :D)

the stoned comment was referring to me getting pelted with stones for being the [censored]hole in this whole ordeal, not all you 24/7 dopers. i would never slam 89% of the disc golf community that intentionally (whoops).

lol @ wise... dude you avoid all of my valid posts and keep saying that I proposed nothing. ur such a horrible TD w0w.

well if devan and cdubs team doesnt win it would be the biggest utter failure of the year.

goodluck baggers, u gonna need all the ratings point edge you can get.



WOW! With comments like that, Team Is There a Dr. In the House may be looking for another player...say with a 937-942 rating!!!

To be honest, I thought 89% was a low percentage... :o:D :p :confused: /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

MEL....I'M A 943....DOES THAT PUT ME OUT?????

Now you are over the line Paul.

Remember you still have to play golf with these guys...





i guess you guys think i am like hostile or something... merely just adding to the apparent flame fest this thing has become, i know nothing was ever going to actually come of this ratings thing so i just kept the flames going, what fun is a team event without some fire.

lol treat cmon man of course i still play golf with these people, im a 2 year TDSA MEMBER! WOOHOO

well like i said before, sorry i had to be the one to point out the flaw. i know it was on the minds of other people and i dont mind takin the brunt of trying to do something about it.

im actually finished with it, if people wanna keep talkin about it, whatever, but im leaving it alone

Thanks for all of your input Paul, you've been very diplomatic about how you handled your complaint and your feelings for the event and the TD in general. :o

I'm so excited about having you there and making it an experience you will remember, You're such a class act, I'm sure which ever team has the honor pf playing with you, will be very thrilled over it. It would be simply amazing if luck of the draw paired you with Wagels team or my team. That would be funny, wouldn't it Paul?

THE LODGE REPORT
It is a beautiful day at The Lodge. Been mowing every day for about a week now. Gotta tell ya, I wish I didn't have one bad wheel, I'd love to be playing. The grass is looking really good. Where we have widened the fairways to accomodate errant discs, the grass is starting to fill in and look really good.
Island Course is in really good shape so I am focusing now on improving Moccassin Creek. Grass is filling in really nicely, regular mowing really helps improve the quality and texture of the grasses. Still have Billy and Joyle's baskets up on the creek so if anyone wants to play nine back there you can. Doing a little tweaking on the remaining nine, cutting a few branches, taking out a couple of trees, looking really good. That's all for now, keep it positive. :cool:

Thank you Jim!

November will be a great time to play up there. ;)

Jim, thanks for all the work that you and your family do up there in Pawhuska. We all appreciate it so much. I know that it is a "labor of love", but sometimes I wonder if we deserve it ;).

Please don't let the petty squabbles on the message boards put you off. It is just part of the culture of the club - like brothers who like to irritate one another just for the fun of it. We are still a remarkably close-knit community, considering that our only common bond is an insane desire to toss brightly colored plastic toys into the air.

The Tempest-in-a-teapot over assigned ratings was bound to happen. I'm sorry that Jeremy's rating has been at the center of the controversy. All the teams are trying to get improving player's on their squad's, that is the name of the game if a team is to get a leg up. In my opinion, Jeremy's rating is not that out-of-line. He is getting better fast, I'm sure, and that just makes him a choice addition to any team. Every member of our team has the ablility to shoot above his rating by at least 50 points on any given round, and every one of us is on an improving curve of performance. We are trying to game the system just as much as anyone else! There are no dummies on the Doctor's team. ;)

I am by no means a highly accomplished player, but I still best beginning players and casual players by 10 or more strokes a round. I think that sometimes we forget how long it takes to learn how to develop consistancy, to stay out of trouble on the course, and to get out of trouble economically when the inevitable happens. At The Lodge, the inevitable always seems to happen.

Thanks, Dave, for taking on the difficult task of assigning ratings, and for having a thick enough skin to take the heat afterwards.

I am so looking forward to the team event in November!

Jim and Jeremy,

Please keep in mind that NOBODY was questioning the sportsmanship or integrity of the Taylors!

Jeremy should consider it a compliment to his game and athletic ability that people think that he is soooo under rated. With the overwhelming results from the poll, neither you nor Jeremy should think twice about playing in this fun and cool event.

Oh and my team is not scared...we will take on any team this weekend for a cash game at the lodge. ;)




So far there are no takers....Are you guys scared of Team Commod Bod?

I would like to get that Sandbagging Team Struggle out there and put some lettuce in my wallet before we leave. :D

Thanks Dr. Jim, it is going to be a fun event, I'll make sure of that. ;)

Jimmy_G and Jake,
Thanks for your posts. We raised two boys so we always had a house full of testosterone. That is why we are doing what we are up here. Gotta give the young bucks a place to practice their rutting. Sometimes we would be awakened to what sounded like a tornado in the living room, I'd go in there to find boys bleeding and out of breath, seems one had challenged the other to a wresting match or something. I just wanted to make sure that the majority of the players didn't see it as an unfair advantage for Jeremy to be playing at that rating. Personally, I agree with Jimmy that the consistancy of a new player is very unpredictable, (or any player for that matter) and the rating cap was about as good a way to handle the issue as could be done. So, Jer is PLAYING. :cool:

everyone fears the greatness that is team commod bod....

Now you are over the line Paul.

Remember you still have to play golf with these guys...





i guess you guys think i am like hostile or something... merely just adding to the apparent flame fest this thing has become, i know nothing was ever going to actually come of this ratings thing so i just kept the flames going, what fun is a team event without some fire.

lol treat cmon man of course i still play golf with these people, im a 2 year TDSA MEMBER! WOOHOO



Well you know, sometimes things that we write don't carry the impact or tone that would have been delivered in person. So that leaves room for a lot of miscommunication...


All I know for sure now is that Team High Roller is fully legal and will be WINNING THIS THANG! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I just wanted to say I think this is a halarious thread . People crack me up when they argue about the most minute things .We wouldn't even have "THE LODGE" without the taylors ,and I would hate to think this small of a thing that some people are griping about could be putting a sour taste in Jer or Jims mouths. I have played at "THE LODGE" every chance I get , in the short time it has been around it has quickly become top of my short list for great tracks.
I agree with my OKC boys when don said , I think 50 bucks is cheap entertainment when we have all the cutups we have in our sport, you could have Joe twisted make a rap up about you on the fly :cool:, throw colorado style with Slack ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif , laugh at the Furpuppy and Wise show :por rock out with Big Nic. There are just too many to mention , but all in all I know this tourney will come off without a hitch and everyone will have a blast .
Whether I am on a team or not I plan to come up for this event and hang out with with all my Friends and Family eat good food , wet a hook in one of the ponds , and just have fun.

See everyone soon , and "Disc On "

Now back to your regular progaming !! ........ :D:D

Mickey B.

Mickey, If you don't wind up playing in the tournament, what do you think about coming up friday and lets run some trot lines and limb lines? Kinda been wanting to see what we have in some of these ponds and the creek. :cool:

Don't forget, the tourney may be on saturday but everyday is playday when you are at the lodge. Come up on Tuesday, stay till Monday. :D

HECK, come on up, stay til the tournament. :D:D

Sounds good , I would love to see some of the city slickers faces if we pulled up a few ugly flatheads or maybe an alligator snapping turtle :D.Of course your taking that off the hook if we get one of them. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

I am still looking for a team though . 917 rated. Jared , Coda where you at ? :D

Mick B.

No problem, I gingerly remove big turtles from the hook with a 12 gauge. :D same with snakes and gar. :D:D

...or possibly a baseball bat?

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//e7/0/e7042200249dd939d8202a5599f42ac5.jpg

...and please to all those animal lovers, this turtle was not harmed in any way, I just wanted to see if I could post a picture...just be happy I couldn't find a picture of an alligator snapping turtle getting its head blown off with a shotgun...again, my lame attempt at humor...but I bet 2-putt could find that pic...not that I am advocating posting such a horrendous picture...just saying... :D

...another pic of a basking alligator snapping turtle...loving life...

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//7f/8/7f88b16f56ff946fc7f4cc7bffd5ecf7.jpg

I grew up in Southeast Kansas. I remember years ago a guy brought in an alligator snapper he had caught to the county fair. It measured 36" across and weighed 113 pounds.

Does this work?

An actual trutle was harmed during this.
http://www.empireoftheturtle.com/Roadkill/Pseudemys_nelsoni_roadinjured__PN001_2.jpg

hey wise is this you in this video? pretty sure it's you at usdgc with commentary from ken climo....nice :)
surfing youtube videos. go to about the 2:30 mark

guess i should post the link huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPZ66ssVPY

Yep thats me, I got a par on that hole. :D

First time I ever played with Eric Roadhouse, helll of a golfer, hell of a guy. ;) That was my first round, finished with a respectable 71. :p

Well it wouldn�t be the holiday season without some good old grumbling and accusations from members of the family. I am guilty of contributing because I feel Paul had a legit point concerning a rating determination and how cozy it fit into team struggle. I think flipping a coin heads or tails would have been a better way than letting Wise decide. :(...And don't forget about rock, paper, &amp; scissors. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Devan, Wagle, &amp; Big Nic is a motley crew and we all know they pump up on performance enhancing drugs before a tourney. You can tell by the way Big Nic�s knuckles drag the ground. Although I agree with the TD, Big Nic is the one most likely to blow up in the middle of a round due to �Tournament Head�. I was never for Jeremy not playing because I think he should play no matter what but I worry about his exposure to those three guys and the possible negative effects it will have on him for the rest of his life. :(... Just being around Devon may lead Jeremy to crash his car and end up in a state correctional facility. Then you have Big Nic &amp; Wagle who own more that 50% of Wise�s insurance business and ride Wise like a $1 circus pony attraction. :o Between the counties economic problems and this I wonder what is the world coming too??? :confused:

Now don�t get me wrong because after 3 years of Wise telling me that I�m a lousy TD I couldn�t resist smoking the pot when it came to someone else questioning his judgement. It�s like being in the candy store and I don�t know if I�ll ever get another chance. :)... Again I am guilty but only because I know that Wise, despite his projected hard shell outward appearance, has a deep rooted low self-esteem and like Sally Fields, he needs to be liked. The guy is really a Gummy Bear on the inside but it�s hard to see it through all the dried up crusty cow pattie exterior. Last night at Dovillio I actually saw the guy pet a [censored]-cat on the course. :o.... Like Rocco wouldn't know????.... I have to say the pilgrim has done well to keep his brillo-pad head when so many are after it. :D

As for this event, I�m sure it will be great. I hope Jim and Jeremy don�t think my opinion was anything towards them personally.

I do think to be fair, my rating should be re-evaluated to whatever fits under the cap should Coda decide to stay in town, form a team of three ringers, and require a low rated player. :)

Another idea IMO, is that you all should pony up and get some team shirts with your team name on them. That way you�re showing your true colors and allowing spectators to identify whose team you�re on. Maybe the winning team can have their shirts put on the Lodge wall. :cool:

Also, IMO, a lot of DG�ers swear to me they play better under the influence. Since the ratings are based on PDGA sanctioned events where nobody can drink during the round, I feel that anyone drinking will have an unfair advantage. So I say either nobody should drink during the rounds, or everybody should be required to drink and maintain a blood alcohol level of .1 and be tested after nine holes. ;)

And on a side note, I believe the PDGA should start kicking back some cash to the TDSA and the Lodge because I saw as many as 18 people at one time tuning into this �TeamStruggleGate� discussion yesterday. I believe PDGA sponsors and advertisers are benefiting by sheer exposure numbers when herds of people show up just to hear Tulsa�s newest �Hockey Mom� TD defend his turf. :)

Just thought I'd say as a final post, i never had any intention of jeremy not playing (he is a really good pick up!! and a really quickly improving player!) and that i wasn't jealous i didn't get him on my team.

if you notice in my other posts i never said i wasn't playing or wasn't looking forward to playing. its going to be a fun event... sorry if the thread put a sour taste in anyones mouth about it, i love the lodge just as much as the next guy, i would have been questioning the rating no matter what player it was, it just happened to be jeremy.

so good luck to all teams... its gonna be a heated battle!

i wish we could take you on this weekend team commod bod... but i think Josh is leaving for usdgc to practice this weekend

Here's a new one, I just saw a bigazz wolf on the meadow. I am working on the 17th hole of the creek course. I am moving rocks from that big mound by that pond to make a raised green area for that basket. And, normal for me, I didn't check the fuel in the backhoe before I took off. So I'm sitting there, pouting, didn't have my phone, didn't want to have to limp all the way back up to the house, so I looked around to see if I could see anyone. WOW, this huge creature is trotting across the meadow toward me. He has that definite gangly canter of a wolf, he's huge, has a wolf head and body, I froze. He came within about 30 feet of me and just waded out into the pond and cooled off for a minute and then continued on toward the backside like he didn't have a care in the world. Scared the crap out of me. I started walking back toward the house and kept looking back over my shoulder to make sure he wasn't coming after me. I didn't know what I would do if I had to try to outrun that thing. I got back up to the house, found my phone and called Deb. When she got home I was telling her about it. She said she saw him too. He was up by the restaurant where they are working. She said he came within about 15 or 20 feet of her. He never paid either of us any attention, just trotted by us like we weren't even there. Deb said he was too tame to have been a full blood wolf but we both agree, he would make two of Burt. Now that's big. :D

... hey Jim ... was that "two-socks" out there ? ... :D

Cool.

I mean, not if anyone were to get attacked, but I always like a good uncommon wildlife citing.

If you live the wildlife, then you won't have to be looking for it.

... chumanitutankwa ob wachi ... :)

Didn't have two socks, I don't think, as much as I have been in the country it kinda took me by surprise, didn't notice too much. kinda embarassed now. :o

Player Information
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Jeremy Taylor #37391
Pawhuska, OK, USA

It's official now.
:D

Sweet! We're gonna have a good time.

Furdog...I love the name "TeamStruggleGate" it has a nice ring to it. The only thing I have left to say about this is, it has actually motivated me to want to play more than anything has in the last few years. I'm really ready to WHOOP SOME Team Is There A Dr. In The House azp!!
Thanks Paul :D

PEACE!!!

Ok, I guess it was a dog. Now he's just kinda hangin around. Darn big dog. He must belong to Yeti. :D

Jeremy too Nic. :D

Working on it.

Player Information
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Jeremy Taylor #37391
Pawhuska, OK, USA


It's official now.
:D


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... just curious here Jim ... did he get 2009-membership from the PDGA also ? ... or is he only a member until dec.31, 2008 ? ...

If he would have waited until October he would have gotten the rest of this year and next year.

August 25th was the cut off for getting the remainder of 2008 AND 2009! Dave T just joined a few weeks ago, so I made sure!

Ok here we go with the learning curve again. Somebody explain in detail, if you will, what we are talking about here. Mel, what does the cutoff mean? Dave, what about October? I don't recognize the significance here. :o

Jim, from what I understand, memberships to the PDGA are based on the calender year. Jan 1 - Dec 31. Wise mentioned that waiting til October would basically buy a 15 month membership. But apparently Mel did some research and the cutoff for the extendo-package elapsed Aug 25. So that may mean that Jeremy's membership expires Dec 31 '08 and will need to be renewed in '09. Don't quote me on this. I'm a simple man.

Since Dave has already signed up, I'm sure Melissa is right about what she is saying, I was trying to go from memory, which fails me at times.

The PDGA has a provision for new members only that if they sign up after a certain time in the year, they receive the rest of the current year and the entire next year for their memebership.

Ok, thanks, I'll look into it.

Where do I look to find out if Jer just got 3 mos?

Call the main office.

PH:706-261-6342

Call the main office.

PH:706-261-6342



Ok, thanks.

This is from the new member signup page:

New (first time) members and renewing members last current in 2003 or earlier who sign up after August 25th (to be processed in the September 1st weekly membership batch) are extended to the end of 2009. Join now and get a jump on 2009 plus the rest of 2008 for free!

Got lucky, Jer is good thru 2009. His membership expires Dec 31, 2009 Thanks. :D

I feel you on the excitement Big Nic, I have been playing alot more casual rounds with pro rated players and it's got me really fired up for this team challenge. Past 3 weeks I have been shooting between 30-50 points better than my rating.
This weekend I am going to try and get our team up to the Lodge on Sunday. Anybody who wants to join or carpool should stay in touch.

The Lodge is ready, 27 holes of pure challenge. :cool:

Working on all 18 fairways on the Creek course, lookin for input from the players. Would love to have a lot of input from a lot of players this weekend so I can do any final tweaking and start doing finish work and try to get it all haired back over before winter. :cool: That's an invite. Food and beverages as always. :D

Got lucky, Jer is good thru 2009. His membership expires Dec 31, 2009 Thanks. :D


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... SWEET ... and by-the-way Jim : don't renew your own PDGA-Membership until your TDSA Admins. talk to ya ... regards ...

Ok Wayne.

Melissa, if you are not doing anything this weekend, please try to come up. If you, Shanna, Teresa and any other lady disc golfers could come up and look around and tell me what I may be overlooking from a woman's perspective, I would like to have that input. Teresa or Shanna, even if you can't come up, any suggestions you have I would like to hear them. Actually, if there is nothing else going on this weekend. it could be a great opportunity for a planning and design weekend. This is a TDSA course you know. :D

Jim, the Third Annual Four States Open in Joplin is this Saturday (a one day event)...I know some of the Tulsa DGers are heading that way.

I will be going to Joplin, sorry I can't make it....


Wish we could take the LODGE BUS!!! ;) :D

Wish we could take the LODGE BUS!!! ;) :D


What a site that would be!
What time are you rolling to Joplin Opus Maximus?

Ok Wayne.

Melissa, if you are not doing anything this weekend, please try to come up. If you, Shanna, Teresa and any other lady disc golfers could come up and look around and tell me what I may be overlooking from a woman's perspective, I would like to have that input. Teresa or Shanna, even if you can't come up, any suggestions you have I would like to hear them. Actually, if there is nothing else going on this weekend. it could be a great opportunity for a planning and design weekend. This is a TDSA course you know. :D



I'm going to Joplin this weekend for the Four States Open. And I play soccer on Sunday afternoons. Sorry this weekend doesn't work for me.

Sounds like a fun weekend. Maybe someone could pick a weekend in the not too distant future for a mini or something up here. Just trying to get as much input as I can as soon as I can, I am working on this back course daily and there are a couple of holes I am unsure of. Sure miss Kevin. :(

team commod bod is going to make it up to the lodge this sunday for a little practice. lord knows we need it....

I don't mind making the decisions myself because I understand play, I just don't play because of bad wheels. But, if I make the decision for tee and pin placement, better be ready to make some tough shots. Afterall, this ain't no city park, This is The Lodge, we crank it up NOT DOWN. :cool:

Cool Carp, see you this weekend. :D

can't wait jim. the cubes starting to get to me :cool:

Sounds like a fun weekend. Maybe someone could pick a weekend in the not too distant future for a mini or something up here. Just trying to get as much input as I can as soon as I can, I am working on this back course daily and there are a couple of holes I am unsure of. Sure miss Kevin. :(

Someone should plan a mini at The Lodge Oct 11th! Is the October mini schedule finished yet?

I understand. Working on this place is the best therapy for stress a man could have, and then for you guys to enjoy it as much as you do is really rewarding. :cool:

Someone should plan a mini at The Lodge Oct 11th! Is the October mini schedule finished yet?



I just checked and the October mini schedule is up on TDSA. On Saturday October the 11th there is a mini planned at Dovillio and on Sunday October the 12th a mini is planned at Kelly Lane.

http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/schedule.html

There is also a tourney in Texarkana showing up on the TDSA Calendar link.

http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/2008okpdgaschedule.html

Jim;
Contact Opie (RED) and BVA and see if they want a change of vinue for that Saturday. they are the course tds for Dovillio.

That is Brad's deal. I am sure he wouldn't mind...

is there a demand for tulsa players to travel to the lodge?
the ace pot is all but gone at dovillio so if people want to have a
mini there just post on this board and if there shows a desire from the majority ill certainly move the venue to pawhuska.

Lets Do the Lodge sat. I'm Down. thats 1 vote how many are you wanting.

BOOMER SOONER BABY, USC GOES DOWN !!!

THE LODGE REPORT
On Moccassin Creek, made some changes. Holes 1 thru 9 still play the same with the exception of the basket placement on 9, it is now farther north on a knoll just below the pond by that cedar tree. Hole 10 - now instead of walking on up the pond dam and throwing across the pond dam down hill, you walk to the end of the spillway and throw uphill across the pond into some rocks. 11 is basically the same, the hanging basket. 12 does not play all the way to the creek now. I moved some trees and mowed and moved the blue tee box back to just above the hanging basket. It plays to the turn where you go down to the creek but I tucked it back into that little alcove which is a hard right at the end of the drive.
13 plays down to the creek but I moved some trees and put it a little farther to the south. You cannot throw straight at it now. You have to have a good placement shot to make par. 14 plays up the hill and over the rocks to a little clearing. You used to have to walk up the hill to get to the tee pad, not anymore. I did some remodeling down by the creek and cut the hill down about two feet and took out some trees so you can see the basket but you now throw from the bottom near the creek. 15 - from the basket on 14 you walk right around a group of trees and throw between the pumpjacks to a big open area on the meadow. The catch here is that if you don't make an accurate throw, you could wind up in some blackberry bushes or shoemake. It's a pretty fair shot because the distance to the pumpjacks is a good distance for a drive. Your second shot will be critical because the bushes come into play like a couple of sand bunkers right before the green. Shouldn't be a problem unless your drive goes wide, then you may have a little trouble with your placement shot and saving par. 16 - plays from the pumpjacks back to the pond to that little cleared area just above the pond. 17 - I moved that big pile of rock that was on the other side of the little pond. I took them back across that little draw that feeds this pond and built an elevated green. I took the dirt from the draw and put it on the green which means that this area shouldn't hold water anymore so even in rainy weather the cleared out draw should get the water on out and into the little pond. 18 - Plays the same, back to hole 19 and "this bud's for you". :cool:

And soon't mess with the local wolf. :D

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Twoputt/mov015.jpg

If it weren't for Dr Jim, I would swear this is "Is there Dr. in the house?" team. :D:D
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Twoputt/image010.jpg

Howdy!

lmfao!!

And soon't mess with the local wolf. :D

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Twoputt/mov015.jpg


that is some funny shite

10 pages later... :D

Amazing discussion guys. I'm ready to play this thing. Any chance we can move it up ? ;) :D

Hells yes.

I can't wait.


My new training regiment has begun. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

The Creek Is In. Josh, Paul, Adam and Aaron played the new holes this morning. Not as much walking from basket to tee pad but it is definitely not friendly to uncontrolled shots. Tweaked it just enough to take away all the cheap shots. Now it plays well for good controlled shots but sloppy wide shots will cost you strokes. I think it is pretty fair to all players because of tee pad placement. Pros will find it exacting from the blues and beginners will find it challenging from the reds. Personally, I find it entertaining from the Mule. :D

new holes were SICK... loved it Jim. thanks for showin us around the new holes

I might come up tomorrow Jim. Looking foward to seeing the place again :cool:

Paul, thank you guys for coming up and testing the new holes. Having you guys throw at them gave me a good indication that the distances and degree of difficulty were not too much but hey, this is The Lodge, if they want easy, there's always McClure, right? :cool:

Actually Jim, if they want "easy" they normally come to Chandler. :(.....Which I don't understand considering the alternate tee pads you have set up for the "short arms".

"Golden is the morning of a crystal sun that shines upon us all."

Chandler isn't short enough for Furdog's tastes.....

I hate to see the Par five go, but this is the best way/ only way I have seen to get 18 holes out there.


I had a blast, as always, hanging out with Penny.

I caught a HUGE Largemouth Bass from an undiclosed location.....it was a hoot!

Sounds like a fish story to me. Pictures of the HUGE largemouth bass? Or am I just being a large mouthed arse?

I hate to see the Par five go, but this is the best way/ only way I have seen to get 18 holes out there.



are you referring to the dogleg right on the moccasin course?
the new hole is still sweet there, i like the variation in score possibilities. throw a GREAT shot and deuce it, play smart and 3, or miss the opening gap off the tee and be screwed.

i might be down for some lodge action this weekend if anyone else is, maybe friday/saturday? just throwin it out there

Dal, did you get your player replaced yet?

As soon as USDGC is over we will have some more teams to enter. ;)

Can't I just enter my team as "Me, Myself, & I" and take four shots at everything? :D

I'm sure the winners would appreciate an extra $200 their way. :o

Hey Dog, are you not on a team yet? If not, maybe I will play and come up with a good consolation prize for DFL and we could probably win it with me on the team. :D

Don't worry about him, just raise the added cash. :p

He won't show anyhow and if he did, he would drop out on you the second round. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Don't worry about him, just raise the added cash. :p

He won't show anyhow and if he did, he would drop out on you the second round. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



That's ok, I was bluffin anyway. I probably couldn't make it 9 holes on my knee. :D

Non-sanctioned and you own the mule. :D

Non-sanctioned and you own the mule. :D



You're right, maybe I'm in, any teams lookin? What would my rating be if I've never played a full round? I do have one victory under my belt though. Ring of fire, baby! :cool:

Can you give an example of your "flighting" calculation for "A" & "B" flights? :confused:

... yes indeed ... nice putting-form there , Jim ... you got potential ! ... and best-of-all , you smile when you putt ! ! ! ... :D

Can you give an example of your "flighting" calculation for "A" & "B" flights? :confused:


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... trust him ... he's Wise ... :cool:

Can you give an example of your "flighting" calculation for "A" & "B" flights? :confused:



After the 1st round all team scores will be totaled together, then ranked 1 through 18. Then I will flight them from 1-9 (A FLIGHT) 10-18 (B FLIGHT)
1st, 2nd and 3rd payouts for A and B flights.

Are you kidding?....That's why I don't trust him because he is "Wise" and he's a player. Once he see's where he is at after the first round I'm sure he'll be manuvering for top "B" flight money if him and his cronies can't weasel in a good money spot in the "A" flight. ;)

� MAN , here we are � it�s that time of year � outstanding play in Carolina � the annual USDGC cherry winding down � the gentle-breath of Autumn cooling things off � college and pro football games on weekends and weeknights � always a great time of year � OctoberFriz camping and disc-ing next week � that means it�s now only 2-weeks until �OKLAHOMA OPEN WEEK� � suh-weet � you just know that Twisted and KellDog have that set-up for a smooth SuperTour Event � on the weekend after, FurDog and Forest and Tulsa-County-Parks have a great United Way 1-day at Chandler set-up for your enjoyment � cheap-to-enter , 4-person-Teams , with-lunch-provided � Sunday after is the Club-Fall-Picnic > singles , doubles , elections , free-chow � on the weekend after, an eagerly-anticipated Event at The Lodge � Wise has created another grade-A variety for play � Team disc-golf at Chief Taylor�s beautiful landscape in Pawhuska �
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... doancha just LOVE the Fall ? ...
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Can you give an example of your "flighting" calculation for "A" & "B" flights? :confused:



After the 1st round all team scores will be totaled together, then ranked 1 through 18. Then I will flight them from 1-9 (A FLIGHT) 10-18 (B FLIGHT)
1st, 2nd and 3rd payouts for A and B flights.




Wise, what if the difference between spots 7,8,9,& 10 are only 1 or 2 strokes and the difference between spots 10 and 11 are closer to 7 or 8 strokes, whould you move the B flight down or stick with it at 1-9 and 10-18?


Not that it matters...I think that we have enough Sand to be in the A flight. :D

I will hold with the 1-9 and 10-18, regardless of team totals. The only thing that could screw it up is a tie between 8,9,10 and 11

Dale, did you get your player replaced yet?

As soon as USDGC is over we will have some more teams to enter. ;)


As of Today I haven't found a replacement.
Still Looking for someone rated 992 or Less.
What rating would you give Mike Adams from the Pawhuska Round?
He might be a possibility at this time.
D.P. :D

... Dale ... you've gotcha one-of-them PM dealies ... :D

Wayne,
Tried to send you a PM in return.
It said you have exceeded you PM Quota.
If you can send me a Phone # for that person I will gladly received it.
Thanks
D.P. :D

Jake, clear out some of your old PM's because it says you've exceeded your space limits and my trash talk is not coming thru.

OK try again

Wayne,
Tried to send you a PM in return.
It said you have exceeded you PM Quota.
If you can send me a Phone # for that person I will gladly received it.
Thanks
D.P. :D


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... ok Dale ... first> I'll clean out my old PM file ... second> I'll call you this evening with that phone # ...

no one is even talking today. guess everyone is watching the USDGC. the dot coverage is pretty cool with the little running commentary underneath it.

... ... ... hide your Wives and Daughters and other Womenfolk ... ... ... guard your jewelry and other bling-bling ... ... ... lock-up all your silverware and other valuables ... ... ... there's a new Team entered in this gig ...
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[QUOTE]



i might be down for some lodge action this weekend if anyone else is, maybe friday/saturday? just throwin it out there



hmmm ;) :D

... for those who are still "scheming" on their possibles Teams , I'll bump FurDog's List forward ...





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Mitch*McClellan *USA* *995* *40* *M Pro
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Kyle*Wilkes *USA* *984* *28* *M Pro
Brendan*Hickman *USA* *983* *57* *M Pro
Ray*Walker *USA* *983* *39* *M Pro
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Daryl*Johnson *USA* *968* *57* *M Pro
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Chris*Wagle *USA* *967* *31* *M Pro
Kody*Custard *USA* *967* *29* *M Am
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W. Kyle*Power *USA* *965* *45* *M Pro
Jack*Wilson *USA* *964* *15* *M Pro
Brad*Workman *USA* *964* *2* *M Am
Jon*Teel *USA* *963* *21* *M Pro
Joe*Rotan *USA* *963* *17* *M Am
Benjamin*Powell *USA* *962* *15* *M Pro
Bill*Pennington *USA* *957* *8* *M Pro
Cris*Hicks *USA* *956* *36* *M Pro
Allen*LaBryer *USA* *954* *9* *M Pro
Tim*Mirabal *USA* *954* *14* *M Am
Keven*Smith *USA* *954* *4* *M Am
Adam*Hunt *USA* *954* *21* *M Am
Justin*Bougher *USA* *953* *36* *M Pro
John*Logan *USA* *953* *21* *M Pro
David*Pennekamp *USA* *953* *25* *M Pro
Gary*Beasley *USA* *952* *13* *M Pro
Ben*Davis *USA* *952* *19* *M Am
Craig*Henson *USA* *951* *12* *M Pro
Andrew*Treat *USA* *950* *37* *M Am
Richard*Mitchell *USA* *950* *23* *M Am
David A.*Wise *USA* *949* *33* *M Pro
Scott*Wilkinson *USA* *946* *14* *M Pro
David*Nicholson *USA* *946* *40* *M Am
Derek*Kummers *USA* *946* *2* *M Am
Dan*Bougher *USA* *943* *17* *M Pro
Joel*Woody *USA* *943* *11* *M Am
Don*Cook *USA* *943* *20* *M Am
Cameron*Kaspereit *USA* *942* *30* *M Am
Dale*Patterson *USA* *941* *18* *M Pro
Johnny*Thompson *USA* *941* *38* *M Pro
Greg*Winsworth *USA* *941* *67* *M Am
Jason*Bieda *USA* *941* *6* *M Am
Alex*Bachicha *USA* *941* *18* *M Am
Mike*Barton *USA* *940* *8* *M Pro
Andy*Barnett *USA* *940* *9* *M Am
Weston*Moody *USA* *940* *10* *M Am
Joe*Tefertiller *USA* *938* *16* *M Pro
Doug*Maxfield *USA* *938* *26* *M Am
Mike*Lightner *USA* *938* *2* *M Am
Paul*Dorries *USA* *937* *28* *M Am
Mike*Conners *USA* *935* *19* *M Pro
Dave*Zucconi *USA* *935* *8* *M Pro
Mike*McCoy *USA* *934* *22* *M Am
Jerry*Stacey Jr *USA* *934* *26* *M Am
Sean*Young *USA* *934* *35* *M Am
Brent*Edwards *USA* *931* *21* *M Pro
Jason*LaPierre *USA* *931* *4* *M Am
Randy*Forsander *USA* *930* *37* *M Am
Jake*Christian *USA* *930* *26* *M Am
David*Frazier *USA* *928* *10* *M Am
Steve*Alvis *USA* *928* *9* *M Am
James*Diel *USA* *928* *12* *M Am
Travis*Stand *USA* *927* *12* *M Pro
Jake*Regier *USA* *927* *15* *M Am
John*McClellan *USA* *926* *10* *M Pro
Jason*Schwake *USA* *924* *16* *M Am
Jason*Akbaran *USA* *923* *26* *M Pro
Cory*Poteet *USA* *923* *37* *M Am
Steve dig*King *USA* *923* *30* *M Am
Charles*Smith *USA* *923* *18* *M Am
Roy*Ward *USA* *922* *5* *M Pro
Thomas*Lowry *USA* *920* *31* *M Pro
Jennifer*Allen *USA* *920* *55* *F Pro
Brad House Of*Israel *USA* *919* *33* *M Am
James P.*Williams II *USA* *919* *24* *M Am
Mickey*Brookshire *USA* *917* *37* *M Am
Michael*Middleton *USA* *917* *13* *M Am
Joyle*Deering *USA* *916* *19* *M Pro
Aaron*Triska *USA* *916* *5* *M Am
Scott*Sable *USA* *916* *24* *M Am
Mike*Moore *USA* *914* *19* *M Am
Rodney*Carpenter *USA* *914* *8* *M Am
Michael*Moody *USA* *914* *7* *M Am
David A*King *USA* *913* *7* *M Pro
Brian*Kummers *USA* *913* *8* *M Am
Frank*Beach *USA* *912* *10* *M Pro
Dan*Olsen *USA* *912* *14* *M Am
Bob*Bortscheller *USA* *912* *14* *M Am
Tom*Townsend *USA* *912* *11* *M Am
Chris*Stine *USA* *912* *34* *M Am
Jason Jace*Davis *USA* *912* *10* *M Am
Kyle*Razmus *USA* *911* *6* *M Am
Michael*Brookshire *USA* *910* *33* *M Am
Todd*Young *USA* *910* *10* *M Am
Jimmy*Billings *USA* *908* *25* *M Am
Billy*Juby *USA* *907* *12* *M Pro
James*Nash *USA* *906* *8* *M Am
Michael*Rodriguez *USA* *905* *5* *M Am
Marq*Lewis *USA* *904* *36* *M Am
Sean*Wylie *USA* *903* *3* *M Am
Bryan*Hinds *USA* *903* *29* *M Am
Harlyn*Unruh *USA* *902* *21* *M Am
Justin*Smith *USA* *902* *22* *M Am
Sam*Hazewinkel *USA* *901* *6* *M Am
Jeremy*Geiger *USA* *901* *36* *M Am
David*Poe *USA* *901* *4* *M Am
Caleb*Brown *USA* *900* *14* *M Am
David*Robison *USA* *900* *5* *M Am
Travis*Koehring *USA* *898* *5* *M Am
Wayne*Gregory *USA* *896* *20* *M Am
Brandon*Peak *USA* *896* *19* *M Am
Steven A*Smith *USA* *895* *18* *M Am
Wesley*Burch *USA* *895* *13* *M Am
Mike*Click *USA* *893* *10* *M Am
Carl*Deo *USA* *892* *8* *M Am
Andrew*Stirling *USA* *892* *5* *M Am
Kris*Morita *USA* *892* *11* *M Am
Jim*Geurin *USA* *892* *28* *M Am
Jay*Slack *USA* *891* *13* *M Am
John*Barton *USA* *890* *8* *M Am
Hunter*Boren *USA* *890* *5* *M Am
Scott Skeeter*Nalewajk *USA* *888* *4* *M Am
Craig*Forsander *USA* *888* *12* *M Am
Jarrod*Hinshaw *USA* *887* *12* *M Am
Larry*New *USA* *885* *7* *M Am
Johnny*Zumwalt *USA* *885* *7* *M Am
Jesse*Crew *USA* *884* *14* *M Am
Brad*Zimmerman *USA* *884* *10* *M Am
Billy*Swanson *USA* *881* *28* *M Am
Aaron*Swygert *USA* *880* *7* *M Am
Corey*Leemhuis *USA* *880* *30* *M Am
Matt*Shipley *USA* *879* *8* *M Am
Kevin*Gilliland *USA* *877* *22* *M Am
John*Haje *USA* *875* *3* *M Am
John*Tillman *USA* *875* *15* *M Am
Jesse*Carlisle *USA* *875* *6* *M Am
Brandon*Walsh *USA* *873* *10* *M Am
Jason*Crandall *USA* *872* *3* *M Am
Harry*Hinshaw *USA* *871* *24* *M Am
Michael*Treat *USA* *866* *15* *M Am
Wilson*Patton *USA* *860* *3* *M Am
William*Bredemeyer *USA* *859* *9* *M Am
Ted*Archibald *USA* *856* *7* *M Am
Steve*Naegele *USA* *855* *11* *M Am
Frederick*Mendus *USA* *855* *2* *M Am
Dustin*Hayes *USA* *855* *3* *M Am
Wayne*Forest *USA* *854* *28* *M Am
JR*Bowden *USA* *854* *10* *M Am
Graham*Russell *USA* *851* *11* *M Am
Harry*Hinshaw Sr *USA* *851* *10* *M Am
Mike*Harris *USA* *851* *13* *M Am
Dough*Duff *USA* *848* *38* *M Am
Michael 2 Gunns*Coberly *USA* *846* *14* *M Am
John Snakeskinn*Lane *USA* *842* *23* *M Am
Brandon*Lowry *USA* *842* *36* *M Am
Jason*Lowry *USA* *840* *22* *M Am
Jason*McDaniel *USA* *840* *3* *M Am
Robert Doc*Morton II *USA* *840* *10* *M Am
Neil*French *USA* *834* *8* *M Am
Martin*Norris *USA* *832* *13* *M Am
Dan*Booth *USA* *824* *2* *M Am
Melissa*Townsend *USA* *823* *15* *F Am
Spencer*Bryan *USA* *821* *8* *M Am
Scott*Schumacher *USA* *821* *8* *M Am
George U.S.*Skinner *USA* *815* *23* *M Am
Jason*Herzog *USA* *814* *6* *M Am
James M.*Norris *USA* *805* *9* *M Am
Miguel*Matos *USA* *804* *3* *M Am
Ashley*Hoster *USA* *803* *24* *F Am
Megan*Burch *USA* *793* *19* *F Am
Stan*Herrman *USA* *792* *4* *M Am
Douglas*Maxfield *USA* *781* *2* *M Am
Bryan*Cales *USA* *774* *2* *M Am
Tammy*Walsh *USA* *745* *20* *F Am
Teresa*Duff *USA* *726* *16* *F Am
Rebecca*Schneider *USA* *714* *22* *F Am
Jeremy*Chaney *USA* *709* *6* *M Am
Tina*Harjo *USA* *676* *5* *F Am
Brandon*Brookshire *USA* *647* *17* *M Am
Carol*Bortscheller *USA* *564* *4* *F Am


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... but wait , there's more ...
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... here are some other-player-possibilities not shown above :
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Clint McClellan = 991
Mark Martin = 974
Billy Sivils = 970
James Roubidoux = 970
Charlie Burns = 959
Joseph Stettinger = 955
Billy Lund = 948
Cory Briley = 946
Kelly Colvin = 944
Jesse Sellers = 935
Tim Flaherty = 931
Matt Cooper = 930
Tony Walker = 929
John Green = 927
Michael Barr = 921
Jeff Paul = 920
Jeff Ash = 918
Larry Juby = 907
Bill Moyers = 906
David Nicholson Jr = 906
John Belty = 906
Rob Davis = 903
Greg Smith = 903
Sal Fellanto = 900
Tim Joha = 880
Tom Landers = 862
Bud Johnson = 861
Trey Landers = 846
Thong Le = 824
Kim Click = 794
Jennifer Sellers = 694
Terra Nicholson = 692
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... there ya go ! ... :cool:

... THAT List will open some eyes ... :eek:

And so will this new team! :o

Team Update list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11 teams in , 7 spots left and I know of 4 more teams working, so if you don't have yours in or together yet GIT-R-DONE

Check the last one folks, looking solid. ;)

Team OKC
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895

Team Commod Bod
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922

Team OCD
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893

Team Lodge Jam
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Byan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901

Team High Rollers
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797

Team Woollaroc
Dale Patterson 941
Chris Stine 912
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832

Team 3 Hacks and a Lady
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823

Is there a Dr. In the house
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892

Team Crack-a-lack
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 937
Ken Ward 922
Matt razmus 883

Team Okie Bandits
Daryl Johnson 968
Matt Steward 966
Billy Juby 907
Wayne Forest 854

And so will this new team! :o

Team Update list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11 teams in , 7 spots left and I know of 4 more teams working, so if you don't have yours in or together yet GIT-R-DONE

Check the last one folks, looking solid. ;)

Team OKC
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895

Team Commod Bod
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922

Team OCD
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893

Team Lodge Jam
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Byan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901

Team High Rollers
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797

Team Woollaroc
Dale Patterson 941
Chris Stine 912
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832

Team 3 Hacks and a Lady
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823

Is there a Dr. In the house
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892

Team Crack-a-lack
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 937
Ken Ward 922
Matt razmus 883

Team Lodge Lizards
Daryl Johnson 968
Matt Steward 966
Billy Juby 907
Wayne Forest 854


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... Team 11 just underwent a "name change" ... :D

what happened to mine dave?

Your what?

my team I told u the names
i will tell u again

Jerry Stacey
John Belty
Michael Barr
Dave Townsend

COME ON WISE!!!!.....GET YOUR CRAP TOGETHER!!!!! :o

Telling me something while I'm playing at an out of town tournament doesn't count. I need email or PM. ;)

In other words, when you travel out of town your brain ceases to function? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yea, like when you wake up in the morning. :o

Team Update list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12 teams in , 6 spots left and I know of 4 more teams working, so if you don't have yours in or together yet GIT-R-DONE



Team OKC
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895

Team Commod Bod
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922

Team OCD
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893

Team Lodge Jam
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Byan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901

Team High Rollers
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797

Team Woollaroc
Dale Patterson 941
Chris Stine 912
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832

Team 3 Hacks and a Lady
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823

Is there a Dr. In the house
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892

Team Crack-a-lack
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 937
Ken Ward 922
Matt razmus 883

Team Lodge Lizards
Daryl Johnson 968
Matt Steward 966
Billy Juby 907
Wayne Forest 854

Team Lack Luster
Jerry Stacy 934
John Belty 930
Michael Barr 925
Dave Townsend 900
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Team Update list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12 teams in , 6 spots left and I know of 4 more teams working, so if you don't have yours in or together yet GIT-R-DONE



Team OKC ( 3700 )
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895

Team Commod Bod ( 3698 )
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922

Team OCD ( 3699 )
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893

Team Lodge Jam ( 3698 )
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Byan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901

Team High Rollers ( 3698 )
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815

Team Struggle ( 3698 )
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797

Team Woolaroc ( - - - )
Dale Patterson 941
* open * ... currently negotiating for a 992 or less ...
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832

Team 3 Hacks and a Lady ( 3694 )
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823

Is there a Dr. In the house ( 3695 )
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892

Team Crack-a-lack ( 3700 )
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 911
Ken Ward 922
Matt razmus 883

Team Lodge Lizards ( 3695 )
Daryl Johnson 968
Matt Steward 966
Billy Juby 907
Wayne Forest 854

Team Lack Luster ( 3689 )
Jerry Stacy 934
John Belty 930
Michael Barr 925
Dave Townsend 900
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... Wise , I corrected Razmus to his "911" rating ...

Damnit Wayne! :mad:

I was waiting for Dorries to chime in on that. :o

... doh ! ... :confused:

Just thought I would also clarify that it is...
Woolaroc (just 1 L)
Thanks
D.P. :D

... curiously , the "Players-Ratings section" of this pdga website is kinda boogered-up lately ... it's on the fritz ... you can't pull up groups-of-players by their state or division ... ah well ; till they fix it , the furdog 'n' wise Lists from the previous-pages will show you most of the "okie" rated-players ...

Player Name Country Rating Rounds Division
Coda*Hatfield *USA* *1020* *110* *M Pro
Ron*Convers Jr *USA* *1003* *40* *M Pro
Jared*Pennington *USA* *1002* *26* *M Pro
Drew*Etheredge *USA* *1001* *29* *M Pro
Mitch*McClellan *USA* *995* *40* *M Pro

Brendan*Hickman *USA* *983* *57* *M Pro
Ray*Walker *USA* *983* *39* *M Pro
Daniel*Stacey *USA* *982* *33* *M Pro
Carl*Rogers *USA* *968* *11* *M Pro

Taylor*Sears *USA* *968* *49* *M Pro

Jack*Tefertiller *USA* *967* *21* *M Pro

Kody*Custard *USA* *967* *29* *M Am
Sean Henry*Overstake *USA* *966* *24* *M Am
W. Kyle*Power *USA* *965* *45* *M Pro
Jack*Wilson *USA* *964* *15* *M Pro
Brad*Workman *USA* *964* *2* *M Am
Jon*Teel *USA* *963* *21* *M Pro
Joe*Rotan *USA* *963* *17* *M Am

Bill*Pennington *USA* *957* *8* *M Pro

Allen*LaBryer *USA* *954* *9* *M Pro
Tim*Mirabal *USA* *954* *14* *M Am
Keven*Smith *USA* *954* *4* *M Am
Adam*Hunt *USA* *954* *21* *M Am
Justin*Bougher *USA* *953* *36* *M Pro
John*Logan *USA* *953* *21* *M Pro

Gary*Beasley *USA* *952* *13* *M Pro
Ben*Davis *USA* *952* *19* *M Am
Craig*Henson *USA* *951* *12* *M Pro



Scott*Wilkinson *USA* *946* *14* *M Pro

Derek*Kummers *USA* *946* *2* *M Am
Dan*Bougher *USA* *943* *17* *M Pro
Joel*Woody *USA* *943* *11* *M Am

Cameron*Kaspereit *USA* *942* *30* *M Am

Johnny*Thompson *USA* *941* *38* *M Pro
Greg*Winsworth *USA* *941* *67* *M Am
Jason*Bieda *USA* *941* *6* *M Am
Alex*Bachicha *USA* *941* *18* *M Am
Mike*Barton *USA* *940* *8* *M Pro
Andy*Barnett *USA* *940* *9* *M Am
Weston*Moody *USA* *940* *10* *M Am
Joe*Tefertiller *USA* *938* *16* *M Pro

Mike*Lightner *USA* *938* *2* *M Am



Mike*McCoy *USA* *934* *22* *M Am

Sean*Young *USA* *934* *35* *M Am
Brent*Edwards *USA* *931* *21* *M Pro
Jason*LaPierre *USA* *931* *4* *M Am
Randy*Forsander *USA* *930* *37* *M Am
Jake*Christian *USA* *930* *26* *M Am

Steve*Alvis *USA* *928* *9* *M Am

Travis*Stand *USA* *927* *12* *M Pro

John*McClellan *USA* *926* *10* *M Pro

Jason*Akbaran *USA* *923* *26* *M Pro
Cory*Poteet *USA* *923* *37* *M Am
Steve dig*King *USA* *923* *30* *M Am
Charles*Smith *USA* *923* *18* *M Am

Thomas*Lowry *USA* *920* *31* *M Pro
Jennifer*Allen *USA* *920* *55* *F Pro

James P.*Williams II *USA* *919* *24* *M Am
Mickey*Brookshire *USA* *917* *37* *M Am
Michael*Middleton *USA* *917* *13* *M Am
Joyle*Deering *USA* *916* *19* *M Pro
Aaron*Triska *USA* *916* *5* *M Am
Scott*Sable *USA* *916* *24* *M Am
Mike*Moore *USA* *914* *19* *M Am

Michael*Moody *USA* *914* *7* *M Am
David A*King *USA* *913* *7* *M Pro
Brian*Kummers *USA* *913* *8* *M Am
Frank*Beach *USA* *912* *10* *M Pro
Dan*Olsen *USA* *912* *14* *M Am
Bob*Bortscheller *USA* *912* *14* *M Am
Tom*Townsend *USA* *912* *11* *M Am
Chris*Stine *USA* *912* *34* *M Am
Jason Jace*Davis *USA* *912* *10* *M Am

Michael*Brookshire *USA* *910* *33* *M Am
Todd*Young *USA* *910* *10* *M Am
Jimmy*Billings *USA* *908* *25* *M Am

James*Nash *USA* *906* *8* *M Am
Michael*Rodriguez *USA* *905* *5* *M Am
Marq*Lewis *USA* *904* *36* *M Am
Sean*Wylie *USA* *903* *3* *M Am

Harlyn*Unruh *USA* *902* *21* *M Am
Justin*Smith *USA* *902* *22* *M Am
Sam*Hazewinkel *USA* *901* *6* *M Am

David*Poe *USA* *901* *4* *M Am
Caleb*Brown *USA* *900* *14* *M Am
David*Robison *USA* *900* *5* *M Am

Wayne*Gregory *USA* *896* *20* *M Am
Brandon*Peak *USA* *896* *19* *M Am

Wesley*Burch *USA* *895* *13* *M Am

Carl*Deo *USA* *892* *8* *M Am
Andrew*Stirling *USA* *892* *5* *M Am
Kris*Morita *USA* *892* *11* *M Am

Jay*Slack *USA* *891* *13* *M Am
John*Barton *USA* *890* *8* *M Am
Hunter*Boren *USA* *890* *5* *M Am
Scott Skeeter*Nalewajk *USA* *888* *4* *M Am
Craig*Forsander *USA* *888* *12* *M Am
Jarrod*Hinshaw *USA* *887* *12* *M Am
Larry*New *USA* *885* *7* *M Am
Johnny*Zumwalt *USA* *885* *7* *M Am
Jesse*Crew *USA* *884* *14* *M Am
Brad*Zimmerman *USA* *884* *10* *M Am
Billy*Swanson *USA* *881* *28* *M Am
Aaron*Swygert *USA* *880* *7* *M Am
Corey*Leemhuis *USA* *880* *30* *M Am
Matt*Shipley *USA* *879* *8* *M Am
Kevin*Gilliland *USA* *877* *22* *M Am
John*Haje *USA* *875* *3* *M Am
John*Tillman *USA* *875* *15* *M Am
Jesse*Carlisle *USA* *875* *6* *M Am
Brandon*Walsh *USA* *873* *10* *M Am
Jason*Crandall *USA* *872* *3* *M Am
Harry*Hinshaw *USA* *871* *24* *M Am
Michael*Treat *USA* *866* *15* *M Am
Wilson*Patton *USA* *860* *3* *M Am
William*Bredemeyer *USA* *859* *9* *M Am
Ted*Archibald *USA* *856* *7* *M Am
Steve*Naegele *USA* *855* *11* *M Am
Frederick*Mendus *USA* *855* *2* *M Am
Dustin*Hayes *USA* *855* *3* *M Am

JR*Bowden *USA* *854* *10* *M Am
Graham*Russell *USA* *851* *11* *M Am
Harry*Hinshaw Sr *USA* *851* *10* *M Am
Mike*Harris *USA* *851* *13* *M Am
Dough*Duff *USA* *848* *38* *M Am
Michael 2 Gunns*Coberly *USA* *846* *14* *M Am
John Snakeskinn*Lane *USA* *842* *23* *M Am
Brandon*Lowry *USA* *842* *36* *M Am
Jason*Lowry *USA* *840* *22* *M Am
Jason*McDaniel *USA* *840* *3* *M Am
Robert Doc*Morton II *USA* *840* *10* *M Am
Neil*French *USA* *834* *8* *M Am

Dan*Booth *USA* *824* *2* *M Am

Spencer*Bryan *USA* *821* *8* *M Am
Scott*Schumacher *USA* *821* *8* *M Am

Jason*Herzog *USA* *814* *6* *M Am
James M.*Norris *USA* *805* *9* *M Am
Miguel*Matos *USA* *804* *3* *M Am
Ashley*Hoster *USA* *803* *24* *F Am
Megan*Burch *USA* *793* *19* *F Am
Stan*Herrman *USA* *792* *4* *M Am
Douglas*Maxfield *USA* *781* *2* *M Am
Bryan*Cales *USA* *774* *2* *M Am
Tammy*Walsh *USA* *745* *20* *F Am
Teresa*Duff *USA* *726* *16* *F Am
Rebecca*Schneider *USA* *714* *22* *F Am
Jeremy*Chaney *USA* *709* *6* *M Am
Tina*Harjo *USA* *676* *5* *F Am
Brandon*Brookshire *USA* *647* *17* *M Am
Carol*Bortscheller *USA* *564* *4* *F Am


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Clint McClellan = 991
Mark Martin = 974
Billy Sivils = 970
James Roubidoux = 970
Charlie Burns = 959
Joseph Stettinger = 955
Billy Lund = 948
Cory Briley = 946
Kelly Colvin = 944
Jesse Sellers = 935
Tim Flaherty = 931
Matt Cooper = 930
Tony Walker = 929
John Green = 927
Jeff Paul = 920
Jeff Ash = 918
Larry Juby = 907
Bill Moyers = 906
David Nicholson Jr = 906
Rob Davis = 903
Greg Smith = 903
Sal Fellanto = 900
Tim Joha = 880
Tom Landers = 862
Bud Johnson = 861
Trey Landers = 846
Thong Le = 824
Kim Click = 794
Jennifer Sellers = 694
Terra Nicholson = 692
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... updated with Team-Players omitted ... :cool:

Hey Wise don't mean to bother you while your out of state but, our team name is the Lodge Jammerz. And my name is Bryan not Byan. Thank you and good luck.

I like it the way it is, thanks. :p

Twoputt you have a PM

13 teams now and I still know of 4 in the works, better get your team roster to me if you don't want to get shut out on this event. ;)

Team OKC
Don Cook 943
Doug maxfiled 938
Jason Schwake 924
Steve Smith 895 3700

Team Commod Bod
Jake Regier 927
Mike Conners 935
Rodney Carpenter 914
James Patton 922 3698

Team OCD
James Diel 928
David Frazier 928
Richard Mitchell 950
Mike Click 893 3699

Team Lodge Jammerz
Jose` Mendoza 975
BVA 919
Bryan Hinds 903
Jeremy Geiger 901 3698

Team High Rollers
Kyle Wilkes 984
Andrew Treat 950
David Wise 949
George Skinner 815 3698

Team Struggle
Chris Wagle 967
Dave Nicholson 946
Devan Owens 988
Jeremy Taylor 797 3698

Team Woolaroc
Dale Patterson 941
Chris Stine 912
Dave Zucconi 935
Martin Norris 832 3620

Team 3 Hacks and a Lady
Cris Hicks 956
Dave Pennekamp 953
Ben Powell 962
Melissa Townsend 823 3694

Is there a Dr. In the house
Josh Crowl 968
Paul Dorries 937
Travis Koehring 898
Dr. Jim Geurin 892 3695

Team Crack-a-lack
Sam Neilsen 984
Kyle Razmus 911
Ken Ward 922
Matt razmus 883 3700

Team Lodge Lizards
Daryl Johnson 968
Matt Steward 966
Billy Juby 907
Wayne Forest 854 3695

Team Lack Luster
Jerry Stacy 934
John Belty 930
Michael Barr 925
Dave Townsed 900 3689

Team Inebriated
Kyle Power 965
Jake Christian 930
Jason Jace Davis 912
Carl Deo 892 3699

this looks like it is going to be awesome

great job dave and the lodge for getting this thing put together

to bad i am unable to attend
so i am ready to get the next date for another team event
in the books

???

so i am ready to get the next date for another team event
in the books

???


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... I bet there will be another one by Spring , 2009 . . . . . . . . . dig . . . :cool:

Does anyone know what the schedule for the friz is? I have looked all over and I can't find an actual schedule. We were thinking about going up this year but would kinda like to know what is the schedule? :confused:

workin on the Lodge Bus deal. Hopin to be rollin this weekend for its maiden voyage. :cool:

What happens if you don't get 18 teams? I guess it doesn't matter, that was just a cap.

We will have 18 teams ;)

I guess that means the main event (Thong vs Furdog) will have to scheduled somewhere else eh? :(

A new Lodge Lounger is on the horizon............. :D
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