Mike and Mike direct (http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/story?storyId=1113601)

fo sho

.

When does the caddy book get updated?

Peckham is working hard on that right now. Maybe in a week or so?

Do Caddies need special passes or anything?

no, but you do get to wear a cool caddie bib...

Roc hill or bust baby...!

Stack, did I qualify? :cool:

Players can get VIP badges for caddies when they check in. We are also planning to provide each player with a caddie bib, included in each player pack.

Stack, did I qualify? :cool:



for?

Mike and Mike direct (http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/story?storyId=1113601)

fo sho

.



I sent them an email with a lot of good questions to ask listeners about disc golf.

It would be great to know what the general public thinks about disc golf.

what kind of emails are you guys sending?


http://gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com/

Im sending them emails to see if they will come and do their show from Winthrop and see the fastest growing sport in the world...

To get to see the top 175 disc golfers in the world compete for the crown or US champion...

I offered them 100 bucks to see if either one can come make a putt from 30 feet...

Way to go Schwebby...

I'm so ready for the next 3 weeks to go by so I can arrive at Winthrop!

Im sending them emails to see if they will come and do their show from Winthrop and see the fastest growing sport in the world...

To get to see the top 175 disc golfers in the world compete for the crown or US champion...



I offered them 100 bucks to see if either one can come make a putt from 30 feet...



have you received any replies?

any word on what top players who were too lazy to get in on time that plan on going to monday qualifying?

would like to know my realistic chances to qualify before deciding if its worth the long drive

not near as many as last year

Congrats to Dana Vichich for qualifying at the Illinois Open A-Tier. He qualfied via the Illinois State Rep spot. He was the highest finishing player from IL that had not already qualfied.

congrats Dana! So THAT'S what that text was for!

Awesome.

Billy Crump and Brian Graham have contacted Mike and Mike on ESPN thru the PDGA. They are trying to get them down to The USDGC this year and do a live feed during the event.

We need your help: to whomever reads this post, if you could just send an email to them and give them some good reasons why they should come down to The USDGC.

I am going to be emailing them several times a week giving them different reasons why they should give DISC GOLF a chance.

Billy wants thousands of emails to flood their computers. This could happen with enough effort from our community of Disc Golf.

The email is Mike and Mike (http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/email)

Thanks for all of your efforts

Schwebby

,

has anyone had any kind of response from M&M?

nada

any word on what top players who were too lazy to get in on time that plan on going to monday qualifying?

would like to know my realistic chances to qualify before deciding if its worth the long drive



i'm pretty sure skinner plans on going down there.

Just so you all know im pretty sure they changed the rule and if you qualify and dont pay thats too bad. Cant qualify again and cant play in the Monday qualifying either.

Well that only took 9 years :D

You cannot qualify a second time at a regional or national qualifying event.

You can still qualify on Monday.

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/7/1/Mini-Posters-The-Simpsons---D-oh--71133.jpg

You cannot qualify a second time at a regional or national qualifying event.

You can still qualify on Monday.



yeah i thought more people knew that since they changed it last year and I still raised a red flag that people may still be muddying up the monday qualifiers... maybe changing the reg. qual rule is a step towards changing it for monday qual. next year?!

or at least this year maybe open up extra spots (if there are any available) for monday qualifiers

that would be nice to have more spots available to help the field fill up

I have a week of vacation time left this year and would like to play in the USDGC for the experience, but I'd have to spend a lot of $$ just hoping I'd get to even play

Dear Clayton - Currently, there are about 170 players registered which is pretty close to our target field size. My guestimation is that the number of Monday Qualifiers will remain at five.

Take care,
Harold

thanks Harold... and is it possible (if everyone signed up that was eligible) that there would ever be less than 5 spots or none?!

Stack, We do not see anything now that would prevent us from having 5 qualify on Monday. Monday Qualifying has become an integral part of the Championship. In many ways, it is as competitive and suspenseful as the final round.

Take care,
Harold

Harold, any changes to the course from last year? Thanks

Harold,

What will the practice schedule look like the week leading up to the USDGC?

I know the doubles is going on the weekend before.

You cannot qualify a second time at a regional or national qualifying event.

You can still qualify on Monday.




Doesnt that defeat the purpose of the Monday qualifying??? I thought that was a chance for people who couldnt qualify during the year to get a spot. Not for lazy people who already qualifyed to take a spot from someone who coudnt qualify or did not have a chance to play a qualifyer.

In my opinion if you qualifyed and didnt pay its should be too bad so sad for you!!!

Thats just my 2 cents but what the heck do I know :confused: :confused: :confused:

You cannot qualify a second time at a regional or national qualifying event.

You can still qualify on Monday.




Doesnt that defeat the purpose of the Monday qualifying??? I thought that was a chance for people who couldnt qualify during the year to get a spot. Not for lazy people who already qualifyed to take a spot from someone who coudnt qualify or did not have a chance to play a qualifyer.

In my opinion if you qualifyed and didnt pay its should be too bad so sad for you!!!

Thats just my 2 cents but what the heck do I know :confused: :confused: :confused:




I agree with Mills but I think they should give more than 30days to register as well.

Harold,

What will the practice schedule look like the week leading up to the USDGC?

I know the doubles is going on the weekend before.



have you seen this?

event schedule (http://www.usdgc.com/files/2008_event_schedule.pdf)

You cannot qualify a second time at a regional or national qualifying event.

You can still qualify on Monday.




Doesnt that defeat the purpose of the Monday qualifying??? I thought that was a chance for people who couldnt qualify during the year to get a spot. Not for lazy people who already qualifyed to take a spot from someone who coudnt qualify or did not have a chance to play a qualifyer.

In my opinion if you qualifyed and didnt pay its should be too bad so sad for you!!!

Thats just my 2 cents but what the heck do I know :confused: :confused: :confused:




I agree with Mills but I think they should give more than 30days to register as well.



same thing every year

i agree about monday qualifiers and didnt used to about the 30 day thing. I used to see it from the side of the guys were being cheap or lazy and not getting their stuff in and complaining about needing more time.

looking at it from a working 'professional' (work work.. not disc golf professional) point of view I could see people needing a little more time to figure out if they can take a week off from work and work around not just work but family commitments for the time and travel.

Other than Innova getting the money in their hands early I actually can't see a valid reason for knowing that far a head of time if someone will be playing or not. (the may be valid reason unbeknown to me).

Hey Brian - I hope that y'all are doing well. Here are the likely changes for this year:

Hole 8/16 � For hole 8, we lost several large trees near the tee and one very large tee near the green. The right side OB downrange will be moved in (left) on #8. Since this rope also serves as the right side OB on Hole 16, the first half of 16 will be more open on the right which may encourage greater usage of the inside route.

Hole 9 � The grass has grown in nicely behind the baseball field screen. The left side option we provided last year has been eliminated. Two trees have been planted at the bottom of the slope behind the screen which will come into play.

Hole 10 � The green has been extended back toward the tee and the rope on the left side fairway has been moved to the left. The net result will make it easier to go for the island and more challenging to play the left side.

Holes 10, 13, 14 � OB areas replaced with Buncr Hazard. A player whose throw lands in the Buncr Hazard will throw again from the same lie, count the original throw, but not incur an extra penalty throw.

Hole 18 � We lost an important tree on the right near the scorer�s trailer. Right side OB rope will be moved left about 15 - 20 feet.

Hole 4 � We experienced significant backups � up to four groups � last year. We have received a rules variance to experiment with practice putting in the players� hospitality area to make the wait less aggravating.

Look forward to seeing you soon.

Take care,
Harold

thanks Harold very informative, definitely a shame about losing some trees

Thanks for the info, Harold. Looking forward to it.

Hey Dean -

I hope that you are doing well. Tentatively, our goal is to have top rope and bales completed around Monday, the 22nd with the course prep completed by Thursday, 25th.

For those not competing in US Doubles, the golf course will be available for practice on the weekend (27th/28th) except when doubles is playing or preparing to play. Those planning to practice or play that weekend should be aware of one other issue. Winthrop will be hosting a large softball tournament which will use the parking lot adjacent to hole 13 (888). We plan to move the pin for the weekend to the position we used several year's ago. Depending on the amount of traffic and parking, the fairway may be shifted to the left as well. Players should follow directions and use good judgment or risk 804.05.

Take care,
Harold

Hole 4 � We experienced significant backups � up to four groups � last year. We have received a rules variance to experiment with practice putting in the players� hospitality area to make the wait less aggravating.





very cool!!!

What's the deal with the Par 3 shootout on saturday?

Dear Chris - The Par 3 Shootout will be run similarly to previous years. The bounty may be a little more at risk this year now that we've installed concrete tee pads on most of the holes. (Maybe all by the time October comes.) Competitors can register on-line at Zonedriven.

(My son got me good the other day, asking if I've already registered assuming that I would be available to play with him.)

Take care,
Harold

Thanks Harold! I'm doing fine, hope you and your family are doing the same. Thanks for the info. The changes look interesting this year.

Will there be a cutoff date for Innova sponsored players to visit the factory that week?

Will there be a cutoff date for Innova sponsored players to visit the factory that week?



Never, for a guy like you Dean-O!

ps. Not one response back from Mike and Mike...

(My son got me good the other day, asking if I've already registered assuming that I would be available to play with him.)





LOL

The appropriate response - I don't know if I'll be available to play either way. I'll be polishing my world champion trophy and then the other one I have. :D

Harold,

I hope you and your family are doing well.

I want to thank you ahead of time for all the hard work that you and your staff put into this event, so the we the players may come and enjoy a great disc golf event!

Thank you as well for updating us ahead of time, as to what we can expect when we arrive in town. I look forward to seeing you, and if there is anything that I can do to help, please let me know.

See ya in a few weeks.

Looks like the field maybe slightly larger this year. Also, does anyone know any details of the ping pong tournament?

Anyone out there looking to split hotel costs? Drop me an email [email protected] or PM.

Holes 10, 13, 14 � OB areas replaced with Buncr Hazard. A player whose throw lands in the Buncr Hazard will throw again from the same lie, count the original throw, but not incur an extra penalty throw.
Look forward to seeing you soon.

Take care,
Harold



Does that mean any place you throw OB on those holes you just re-throw with no stroke? I am not sure I have ever heard of a Buncr Hazard? Am I the only one this is a bit unclear to? :confused: Looking forward to it though!

BunCR's are spelled as such because the C and R stands for Casual Relief. Although the idea that you re-throw from the previous lie is different from what I'd heard of, usually you take it back along line of play to the edge of the BunCR and play from there.

Hope it changes back to straight up OB by the time I'm good enough to qualify (hopefully next year). The massive risk of going deep on 14 or OB anywhere on 13 especially make those holes really fun to play.

how will 17 play? ob, drop zone, etc?

Thanks!!

Dear Brad �
I hope that y�all are doing well.

For the Buncr Hazard, the player rethrows from the same spot, counting the original throw. There is still a consequence for errant throws; the consequence has been moderated. Instead of penalty stroke and distance penalty, the consequence is simply distance. In effect, the player has added one to the score and not moved anywhere. The risk remains. The player still needs to execute a shot with one more shot on the card and one less disc in the bag.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Take care,
Harold

how will 17 play? ob, drop zone, etc?

Thanks!!



I was wondering the same thing. Will the shape of the green change? Is it still Island Green rules?

Also, any idea when the caddie book will be available? (no rush, justlooking for something to do at work :D)

Schwebby,

Any release date for Clash @ Winthrop???

This is your YEAR!!!!!

Schwebby,

Any release date for Clash @ Winthrop???

This is your YEAR!!!!!

answer coming soon

Dear Brad �
I hope that y�all are doing well.

For the Buncr Hazard, the player rethrows from the same spot, counting the original throw. There is still a consequence for errant throws; the consequence has been moderated. Instead of penalty stroke and distance penalty, the consequence is simply distance. In effect, the player has added one to the score and not moved anywhere. The risk remains. The player still needs to execute a shot with one more shot on the card and one less disc in the bag.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Take care,
Harold



Thanks for taking the time to answer Harold! Looking forward to seeing you all soon, hopefully we get to play together..

Players can get VIP badges for caddies when they check in. We are also planning to provide each player with a caddie bib, included in each player pack.



Does this include all the benefits that normally come with the VIP badges? How much will it cost at check-in, $25? Thanks in advance.

Chris

Every group with a Blackberry, texting in the scores on every teebox...Very fast and would only need 2 volunteers(entering scores)...Our first ever, discgolf live scoring for the entire field. Blackberry could realistically sponsor(loan) trial phones. I will contact them if this is an option.

would be awesome but weeks before the event is probably not the time to be able to get something like this in place... like i said... would be really cool though!

For that matter, everyone, basically has a phone with texting capabilities. Doesn't need to be a blackberry, but it would be a nightmare trying to transfer all those scores when 18 holes worth are coming in... but realistically, 18 holes / 10 minutes or so equals one score set every 30 seconds or so.

glancing thru the list of people who were eligible but didnt register...
(dont know if any of these guys normally play or not... just comparing lists and saw some guys on the list that surprised me)

John Ahart
Jose Alcala
John Bain
Gregg Barsby
Travis Blase
Chris Boro
Ross Brandt
Peter Bygde
Mark Collicott
Emil Dahlgren
Darryl Daugherty
Steve Dodge
Micah Dorius
Jon Drummond
John Fowler
Sylvain Gouge
Jerry Gotcher
Nolan Grider
Matt Hall
Dan Johansson
Daryl Johnson
Anders Kallstrom
Robert Kauffman
Tetsuya Kikuchi
John Kittrell
Brent Koontz
Boris Lazzarotto
Jonas Lindholm
Jesper Lundmark
Hideaki Matsuda
Devan Owens
Carlo Pelg
Timo Pursio
J.D. Ramirez
Mike Randolph
Ron Russell
Christian Sandstrom
Kim Scott-Wood
Rivers Sherrod
Johnny Sias
Arttu Sikanen
Dennis Stampfer
Michael Stelzer
Markus Stigzelius
Michael Sullivan
Jans Tegeback
Will Timmons
Cam Todd
Tony Tran
Jeff Watson
Rob Wilson
Steve Wisecup

(note some of these guys might still be able to register... this is just based on the list as of today)

i know its obviously these guys rights to decide not to play for whatever reason but looking @ what tourneys/state/etc they came from and took spots from others its kinda sad in some cases...

For instance...
Golden State (Alcala, Collicott, Pelg, Wilson) & South Nats (Daugherty, Johnson, Owens, Sherrod) both had 4 guys qualify and not use the spot!!! I could see 1 or 2 but wow... 4!!! Sucks for the guys that finished just below the cut and would've wanted to go!

Worlds had 3 (Fowler, Koontz, Scott-Wood)

And i can understand the international stuff maybe but looking @ them Euro had 4 & Scandinavia had 3

Again I can understand that there might be unforeseen circumstances that come up and at the time people might've thought they would/could make it for USDGC... the spots that really are sad (to me) that don't get used are the state/country spots since they dont have to be named/signed up until Aug 31st...

Nebraska, South Dakota, Louisiana & Canada are ones that will go to waste this year.

I've never looked that much in depth at previous years and maybe this is normal. I just know that if I lived in any of these states or finished just under the cut at one of these tournies and really wanted to go to USDGC i would be at the very least mildly upset.

btw... if everyone who's registered shows up we'll have 181 this year (counting the 5 Monday qualifiers)

every spot not claimed should be up for monday qualifying.

It is beyond silly that they are not.

well i dont know if i'd go that far... to have 50+ spots available on Monday is what would be 'beyond silly'

I could see opening up to 9 or so max (seems like there were more than 5 spots a couple years back) but to have many more than that makes Monday lose some of its allure and USDGC lose some of its feeling of exclusivity.

What I could see happening though is the state coordinators maybe waiting to officially name the state rep until they're 100% sure the spot will get used or is registered for (since they have until Aug 31st).

As far as the tourney spots that get wasted maybe allow the guys below the cut to have a crack at the spot if the person who got the spot fails to register in time (leaving this up to the individuals and not the USDGC to contact the person though)

All this being said i'd imagine USDGC almost plans for or wants a certain percentage to not register or show up in order to keep the tourney from being too packed.

One thing I think would be cool would be to add spots for the previous years skills champions... whoever wins the big D and putting contests should get invited back... they help with the excitement... keep em' around!

Silly (actually insane) would be trying to run a Monday qualifier for 50+ spots if you opened up the unclaimed spots. How many people do you think would show up for that? Talk about a zoo.

I would say that 10 spots would be a great idea. More people would try and qualify. More money would go into the purse and thats ALWAYS a good thing and then a few people who would otherwise not get a chance to play can get in and enjoy being apart of the best run tournament around.

regardless of what is done, there is no doubt that several things could be improved with the qualifying system to allow more people to qualify that actually want to go and still maintain the quality of the event

50 spots = 12,500 more money in entry fees and roughly 20 -25 more people cashing
50 rounds of Monday Qualifying = minimum 2,500 more added to the purse.

I'm having trouble finding a negative in this.

10 spots would be best. People would be more likely to travel longer distances for that. Plus, more money.

Try getting 12 more foursomes on the course.

I'm pretty sure there are time limitations in play in October that the staff has come to grips with over the years.

With ~180 players, the first tee time is already 7:40AM. 12 more 4somes would add between 1-1/2 - 2 hrs (assuming 8-10 minute start time intervals) to the start times - pushing light on both ends. Now if everything ran perfectly, it might not present any problems - but add any weather, or any glitches into the mix - and someone is finishing in the dark.

It would be nice if players had the option of passing on the spot they earned. For instance if a player qualifies and knows he/she will not be able to attend they could "pass" and the spot would go to the next eligible person in line at the tournament. They would still forfeit the chance to qualify, other than the Monday qualifier, at other tournaments. This way the spot would not necessarily go to waste. Just a thought.

agreed about 10... and MTL... i already said what the negatives would be about 50 spots @ monday. How exclusive is an invite only event if you can basically show up Monday before... put down $50 bucks and probably shoot whatever you want for 18 and be almost guaranteed a spot in. To me (and i'd imagine JP and the guys) it's not worth the $ to prostitute the event like that. Not to mention the time frame of fitting everyone in (as was just said)

and FYI... players do have the option to pass on the spots which makes it sadder when 4 of the 5 from a tourney accept the spot @ the tourney and don't register for USDGC

Any word on release for Clash @ Winthrop?

Billy Crump and Brian Graham have contacted Mike and Mike on ESPN thru the PDGA. They are trying to get them down to The USDGC this year and do a live feed during the event.

We need your help: to whomever reads this post, if you could just send an email to them and give them some good reasons why they should come down to The USDGC.

I am going to be emailing them several times a week giving them different reasons why they should give DISC GOLF a chance.

Billy wants thousands of emails to flood their computers. This could happen with enough effort from our community of Disc Golf.

The email is Mike and Mike (http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/email)

Thanks for all of your efforts

Schwebby

. .

I believe the tournament is looking at 180+ players. 180 is basically the high side of pushing it.

trust me, being tied for 5th, and losing in a playoff in 2006, it really makes you want it that much more. Actually, it may have been 8 spots available in 2006... my memory is failing.

Trust me, you gotta have a cut off. Hype and exclusivity is more important than purse.

It was eight spots on Monday in 2006!! I should know, I was part of that play off with Tim Barr and Peckham....too bad my game has halted with school getting in the way and injuries, but at that time in 2006 I practiced alot and was on the rise, trying to make that come back now though.

Has the CFR exemption spot been given away yet? When will that be happening if it hasn't already been done?

Ping Pong anyone???

Ping Pong anyone???



Yes please

And that year I got to enjoy a round with you Chris. I hope your recovery continues and you get back to Winthrop soon.

Take care,
Harold

Ken,

We may have an announcement soon regarding the return of USDGC ping pong.

Take care,
Harold

I think someone has some bad data on the APO Qualifier. Scott Reek is registered, so that spot will be used. It may be that way for some of the others.

Harold, I also got to enjoy a great round with you. I got alot of useful info from the past world champ...I was hurt at that point and couldn't throw any distance shots but still finished and had a great round with you. I will try to be back soon, in the mean while I will play alot more tourneys and practice (as school permits) and get my game back in gear. I think I might even try to Monday qualify again this year.

Take care, Chris

Is this true? you can pass on your spot to the next person in line if you can't make it?

yes, I'M IN!

Dear Tim - This is not true for qualifiers. It is sometimes done for state rep spots if the State Coordinator's first choice is unable to come.

Take care,
Harold

Is this true? you can pass on your spot to the next person in line if you can't make it?



its my understanding that if you are one of the top 5 at a regional qualifier and you know you can't make it to the tourney you can turn down the spot then and there and it'll go to the next guy/gal in the list

after reading harold's post i guess its not true... i've always heard you can say you aren't going or can't go and it frees up the spot for the next guy. i would think it would be the same as someone getting passed up for the spot for not being eligible for already being in or for other reasons.

have to go back and read the rules but other than harold's post just now I didnt think there is anything else saying you can't do this (maybe there is)

edit... i actually went and read the qualifying rules doc and theres nothing saying that people can't turn down a spot and like i'd mentioned... i'm pretty sure i've heard of this happening before.

http://www.usdgc.com/files/08_usdgc_qualifying.pdf

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Any word on release for Clash @ Winthrop?





you should be able to order in the next day or so...

for a little teaser you can check out the trailer here...


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deleted my previous post since I embedded the video in this one

Stack,

Your point is well taken. One reasonable line of thought is that an action is allowable unless it is expressly disallowed. Our intention was not to allow qualifying spots to be passed, and I thought our intention was clear in the Qualifying Document. But I now see room for improvement. Thanks for pointing this out.

Take care,
Harold

I have to admit that I can't wait 'til the ping pong tournament.

Format? Will it be the same as years past where the players' tournament winner will play Pete for the big money ???

Are there any disc golfers that are really good ping pong players?

CAN"T WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone tell me what state is APO or where was this qualifier?

APO = Army Post Office (when my brother was stationed in Baghdad his mail went to the APO there)... might have something to do with PDGA'ers stationed overseas?

and whoever it was that pointed out that Reek was registered is right... i missed his name looking @ the lists

Has the CFR exemption spot been given away yet? When will that be happening if it hasn't already been done?

can't wait to check out the Clash, I got to spectate and watch it irl last year, I remember Markus making some ridiculous shots.


btw kinda tempted to come to USDGC and try to qualify since after 2.5 years my finger/hand is completely healed and I can throw normal again. pretty fun to know where my disc is headed once again.

can't wait to check out the Clash, I got to spectate and watch it irl last year, I remember Markus making some ridiculous shots.



Order CLASH at Winthrop now (http://www.clashdvd.com/)

Hole 8 : tighter

Hole 9 : harder

Hole 10 : tougher

Hole 16 : little bit more forgiving (if you throw really bad in the woods)

Hole 17 : tough as heck to birdie, smaller green than last year.

Hole 18 : Way tougher. Drives have about half the fairway to work with.

Gonna be fun, y'all.

Who's getting here early to start practicing?

does that mean the caddy book is done peckham?

was playing Renny Gold w/ Hosfield today so he's kicking around... heard a few others around now too but haven't had sightings

when will the ropes be up?

many holes are flagged. Nothing roped yet.

Caddy book is close.

late changes always delay it.

garrett and i are leavin jax early monday, will we be able to play the course around 3 or 4ish?

Last weekend 1, 6 and 16 baskets were all in the wrong locations. Big tree down in front of #8 basket area. On the bright side there was a party going on #7.

www.usdgc.com (http://www.usdgc.com)

good stuff... thanks for getting it up!

assume the red is the bunkr (sp?) line and yellow is the regular OB line? will there be different colored rope this year?

red is buncr. I bet the rope will just be yellow on the course. You will have to refer to the Official printed caddy book for that. Matt is finishing it up as we speak, and has done a wonderful job.

could someone explain how 17 is being played this year? the mix of red and yellow rope on the caddy guide is a little confusing.

Thanks

: ) :

it appears that if you are short of the hay it is a just a buncr (re-throw), however, if you overthrow it in the water, it is an OB.

the way it looks like its if you go in the water your ob, if you try to lay up and go long your OB, but if you go for the island and come up short it's played as a buncr.

just looks weird with the yellow at the end of the layup area and the red at the hay line

: ) :

good call on the yellow on the layup zone. Will change that.

Matt

Awesome job Peckham!!!!!!!!

So basically:

Green means GO putt.

Red means STOP being a wuss and throw harder.

Yellow means Yee ol' Driver is bye bye.

Made some changes. Hole 7 and 17. Clear your browser cache if you have looked at the book already.

Thanks Joe.

<ul type="square"> Hole#6 says "Par 6 - 360 ft" in the graphic out over the water.

For hole#11, the hole#9 information is listed on the left-hand side.

For hole#16, on the right-hand side it is listed as a par 3. But the graphic in the middle lists it as a par 4. It is clearly the former, not the latter. [/list]

i love the changes on hole 11 that hole should be much more challenging

Harold tweaked some of the flags today as I was playing with him and I see some potential corrections on the map. On hole 10, I think the tee will actually be in a buncr area where that little piece of red line that goes between the tree and the tennis courts will actually go from that tree toward the tree to the front left of the tee. So you'll have to either try and land far up to the left or go for the island green, and not just pitch forward 125 ft short of the buncr (the way it's currently marked) and make a run for the pin.

I don't think hole 11 is changing much from last year based on what Harold said.

On hole 18, I would think the yellow OB lines left and right of the basket need to progress down the hill thru the trees to the lake to close the loop on the OB area?

In bounds on 17 will be the lay up area in front of the tee and inside the bales. All else is Buncr. We considered several combinations with OB. These combinations would likely be more dramatic to watch but more difficult to play and officiate. As the crowds in person and on line continue to grow, we may consider these options in the future. But for now, this set-up seems to be the simplest and most consistent.

Take care,
Harold

Hole 4 � We experienced significant backups � up to four groups � last year. We have received a rules variance to experiment with practice putting in the players� hospitality area to make the wait less aggravating.





Harold, I hope you aren't going to allow this. This is probably the worst and least fair thing I've ever seen. Dealing with aggravation and backups is part of the game, and if anyone can deal with it, it should be the top players in the game.

I honestly can't believe this is even being considered, let alone permitted by the PDGA.

One group has no backup, another has along one. The first group will be the only group with a true score at the end of the round. Total strokes from start to finish is the ONLY way this tournament should be contested.

PLEASE, the USDGC is not the time to "experiment". :confused:

PLEASE, the USDGC is not the time to "experiment".


Actually, the USDGC is the ideal place to experiment with its high profile and the ability for many to see what happens. The event has a long history of innovations and this is just another one to test.

I agree that one group being able to practice putt more than the other could feasibly lead to a small degree of advantage, but that is easily offset by that other group's quicker play and rhythm. allowing players to stay warm only levels the playing field, it does not make their score any less valid. This is *especially* true at the USDGC.

is there a downloadable version of the caddy book so i can print it out and make notes?

Just curious as to why a lot of the traditional OB areas will now be Buncr instead of OB? Is it so that people won' t take huge scores on certain holes? Are we trying to get a score in the 40's? It doesn't seem like it would speed play up very much, was that a concern? I really liked the traditional OB's, I felt like the OBs and the potential for huge #'s are one of the things that made this tournament so interesting.

Just my .02$

Having OB areas isn't about the potential for big scores but about creating appropriate risk/reward challenges for the players. The holes where the buncrs are being used had penalties that were higher than necessary to create appropriate risk/reward challenges. In fact, with the buncr scenario, players will be more likely to try some shots that they didn't in the past because the penalty was too severe with OB such as trying to drive to the island green on 10, trying longer shots over the parking lot on 13 and driving the pin on 14. I think you'll still see some "tin cupping" with some double digit scores on buncr holes but maybe more in the range of 10-12 versus 13+.

(Oh, and don't underestimate Harold's interest in mentally tweaking the players with a new twist or two each year ;))

I think the buncr on 888 is perfect. Every year I played the event, I saw the same thing and even did it myself. Throw about 350-385 off the tee, cross in bounds skip out and not care. Still get a 5. Now, if the disc doesnt stay in, re tee. DANGER will ROBinSON.

plus to say people will shoot in the 40s with this change is pretty silly... the guys shooting the hot rounds aren't the ones taking big numbers on holes... thats how they're shooting the hot rounds.

will be interesting/fun to see how things go.

as far as the putting area... sure some groups will get more practice than others but it could also harm them by getting them out of their game mentally and chatting with other players and getting too casual while they're waiting.

CANT WAIT .... to watch ;)

putting during the round is a little strange.

This has probably already been asked, what the heck does Buncr stand for anyway? The word looks kinda weird (in Chuck's explanation he does not capitalize it) If CR is casual relief, what does the bun or Bun stand for?

I guess it is intentional that it reminds one of bunker as in sand trap in golf and it is obviously not that (it is quite a stretch to say it plays like a bunker in regular golf) - so it is confusing to most people as well as ambiguous. In a bunker the disc is played where it lies, in buncr it is NEVER played where it lies

Bottom line is that you cannot play the disc where it lies because it is out of bounds. Even casual relief is out of bounds. It is out of bounds, casual relief.

So one might consider saying out of bounds, buncr, but the confusion with the term bunker still persists and it still doesn't tell you what the penalty is because apparently there are 3 types of "buncr".

Less confusing would be something like out of bounds type 1, 2, and 3 where these terms are well defined. Such as 1 = penalty stroke, 2 = casual relief/ line of sight, etc.

Not that the concept is bad

Read my post in the Course Design thread for an explanation.

WOW.

75 1000 rated players registered in one division.

Has there ever been a larger, more stacked field in disc golf??

Look at the O's --- All over 1000, average O rating, 1012. O My!

I think the buncr on 888 is perfect. Every year I played the event, I saw the same thing and even did it myself. Throw about 350-385 off the tee, cross in bounds skip out and not care. Still get a 5. Now, if the disc doesnt stay in, re tee. DANGER will ROBinSON.



The tiny landing area (hope there's not a right to left wind) that slopes right to left is VERY difficult for RHBH throwers (though this has never seem to be a concern). The BunCR on rule on this hole seems ridiculous. We could be there all day. :confused:

PLEASE, the USDGC is not the time to "experiment".


Actually, the USDGC is the ideal place to experiment with its high profile and the ability for many to see what happens. The event has a long history of innovations and this is just another one to test.



I disagree. This is stroke play. Not stroke play plus some putting on the side.

Quirky and inconsistent rules variances just make this tournament less credible.

:mad:

Ball golfers can practice all they want after completing holes including chipping as long as there's not a group coming up on them. Here's the wording from 7-2 of the USGA ball golf rules. Link below:

Between the play of two holes, a player must not make a practice stroke, except that he may practice putting or chipping on or near:
(a) the putting green of the hole last played,
(b) any practice putting green, or
(c) the teeing ground of the next hole to be played in the round, provided a practice stroke is not made from a hazard and does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7).

www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/rules.html (http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/rules.html)

The tiny landing area (hope there's not a right to left wind) that slopes right to left is VERY difficult for RHBH throwers (though this has never seem to be a concern). The BunCR on rule on this hole seems ridiculous. We could be there all day.


Perhaps someone could be there all day if they keep trying to crush it and land it. But gold level players could easily play stable putter/midrange to the pin in 5 to 7 throws even in heavy wind. It's course management in the finest traditions of the USDGC.

H
I don't think hole 11 is changing much from last year based on what Harold said.




From the Caddy book it looked like the left side OB off the tee pinched in much closer to the tee than last year. but now looking at the reference points (the trees on the left side) chuck your statement is true.

so for the buncr's on, say hole 13, if you miss the in bounds area, do you play from where you last crossed safe or do you rethrow no matter what?

Land in a buncr on any hole that has them and you rethrow from where you just threw from and just count that throw. No penalty but your score is now one higher and you haven't advanced down the fairway.

hey chuck, was that rule you quoted from ball golf about practicing in between holes speaking about match play? i don't think the usga allows practice shots during a stroke play event. however, i did not read the usga rule or rulebook but i have watched tons of ball golf on tv and have never seen any practicing after holes. granted, the tv probably doesn't film guys in between holes, but if you watch ryder cup or pres. cup you will see guys taking extra putts after they miss.

The rule is not limited to match play. I've seen it on TV in all formats. Typically, by the time the back nine is on TV, the groups have stacked up so the following group is ready to hit. So most of the time they may not have a chance to practice a putt or two.

is there a reason why the basket on hole 9 in the caddy book is red?

good question about #9... kinda random. It was like that in last years caddy book as well.

i think the basket is red in real life.

ah yes, the winthrop maroon. thank you good sir.

Hey harold,

Is that tree laying accross the fairway in front of 8's basket going to be removed or is it going to be left there for the tourny?

Hole #2 - The 267' distance across the parking lot doesn't seem to add up if the 450 is right? 167?

Book looks good, thanks Peckham and crew.

Dear Tim,

We plan to leave the tree. University priorities may necessitate its removal at some point, but that will probably be after the Championship.

Take care,
Harold

PLEASE, the USDGC is not the time to "experiment".


Actually, the USDGC is the ideal place to experiment with its high profile and the ability for many to see what happens. The event has a long history of innovations and this is just another one to test.


Chuck are you insane? "Experimenting" at the USDGC would be analogous to the ball golf "Experimenting" at the Masters(Which if they do so happen to experiment...it is very subtle to the point that I've never noticed). Why mess with tradition? This is making a mockery of the USDGC.

Just look at the history of the USDGC, Worlds, Memorial and Players Cup where several innovations have been introduced over the years.

Just look at the history of the USDGC, Worlds, Memorial and Players Cup where several innovations have been introduced over the years.



Doesn't mean it is correct to do so.

The USDGC wouldn't exist as our iconic event without the innovations that have defined it. Yellow rope, island greens, tee times, announcing each player, drop zones, bamboo hazards, sand pin placement by water, elevated pins, no practicing on course before play, distance marked at various points on the ropes (before caddybook), throw and distance penalty after going OB, and triple mando. I'm sure the USDGC folks have several more but these are the ones that directly affect play.

The USDGC and it's entire format were an innovation from the start compared to the traditional disc golf tournament. Harold, JP and the crew continue to build upon that every year.

We played the course yesterday with alot of the rope up and like always, it's fair. You have to throw controlled shots. If you don't and "go for it" there is risk/reward. And I really like the idea of the buncr. Was alot of fun watching that principle getting to some of the guys.

BTW the course is as tough as I've ever seen it. Holes 8,9,10,18 will make you throw good shot after good shot. There will be little room for error.

This is going to be a fun 2 weeks.

Has the CFR exemption spot been given away yet? When will that be happening if it hasn't already been done?

Winna Winna Chicken Dinner (http://zonedriven.com/07/28/interview-with-andrew-mcgettigan-pdga-32997)

they are asking about the CFR exemption spot not the USDGC spot I believe. I hadn't heard anything about the spot are they doing it this year?

: ) :

Dear Taylor -

You've patiently asked this question several times. I apologize for the response delay.

We will hold the CFR drawing for the Sponsor Exemption Spot this Tuesday (tomorrow). Typically, the drawings are held the last Tuesday of the month, but for September, this would be the day before competition. In hindsight, we should have had this drawing earlier.

It is quite possible that the winner may not be able to attend. In light of the timing and the nature of this particular exemption, we will allow the winner to transfer this spot this year if he or she chooses.

Take care,
Harold

All of the CFR forms say that they are and so does the page at http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/rewards.html. It would seem to me that they would want to do it a little earlier than a few days ahead of time, but who knows.

nevermind, question answered by Harold above.

Thanks for the update Harold!

The rule is not limited to match play. I've seen it on TV in all formats. Typically, by the time the back nine is on TV, the groups have stacked up so the following group is ready to hit. So most of the time they may not have a chance to practice a putt or two.


That's funny if true. I knew practice putts were ok in match play and you see it all the time. Having watched hundreds of PGA tournaments over many many years I have never seen anyone practice putt during a stroke play event. Why wouldn't you see this on a Saturday or Sunday after the cut has been made from someone in the last group after missing a crucial 3-5 footer? There would not be any groups behind them to hold up, etc...

Don't you think it would be inconsistent to have a rule that allows practicing during match play and not other formats like stroke, Stableford or skins? It's not like watching a player practice chip/putt is that exciting TV so it shouldn't be surprising we don't see it that much. In addition, the rule does say the event organizers can prevent practicing between holes but the default is to allow it if not stated. So it's possible that could be another reason why you don't see it as much on TV.

I have not noticed the backup on hole 4 in past years, but that may be due to the trees hiding the backup. I have noticed the backup on hole 5 though! Can we put a practice basket there?

Don't you think it would be inconsistent to have a rule that allows practicing during match play and not other formats like stroke, Stableford or skins? It's not like watching a player practice chip/putt is that exciting TV so it shouldn't be surprising we don't see it that much. In addition, the rule does say the event organizers can prevent practicing between holes but the default is to allow it if not stated. So it's possible that could be another reason why you don't see it as much on TV.


The consistency of the rule if it varied for different formats would be another topic for debate. I'm just stating that it's quite unusual that I don't ever recall seeing practice putts during stroke play events and you see it all the time during match play events. If it were happening it sure seems like I would of seen it at least a few times by now at the very least. I see them putt out, hand ball and/or putter to caddy and exit the green time and time again, on TV.

The USGA provides the basic rules of the game and allows the organizers some leeway on certain rules. It's quite possible the PGA doesn't allow practicing for their televised stroke play events or you just haven't seen it.

http://www.usdgc.com/caddybook/caddy_book_final_web.pdf

The rule is not limited to match play. I've seen it on TV in all formats. Typically, by the time the back nine is on TV, the groups have stacked up so the following group is ready to hit. So most of the time they may not have a chance to practice a putt or two.


That's funny if true. I knew practice putts were ok in match play and you see it all the time. Having watched hundreds of PGA tournaments over many many years I have never seen anyone practice putt during a stroke play event. Why wouldn't you see this on a Saturday or Sunday after the cut has been made from someone in the last group after missing a crucial 3-5 footer? There would not be any groups behind them to hold up, etc...



I think the PGA Tour usually does not permit practicing between holes, and I believe the Ryder Cup captains agreed the last two matches to not practice on the greens between holes. Still, Chuck is correct. Practicing is allowed between holes ins troke play per USGA Rules, unless it's been restricted by the tournament committee.

Chap

I'm certain I saw Ryder Cup players taking some practice putts after a hole was conceded.

I'm certain I saw Ryder Cup players taking some practice putts after a hole was conceded.



Correct. Practicing is all in match play after a hole is won / conceeded / lost.

Also, the Ryder Cup is not a PGA event. That is why there was a PGA event this weekend during the Ryder Cup.

I found what appears to be the answer regarding the PGA rule on practicing in stroke play even though the USGA allows it:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Golf-1834/Practice-putt.htm

Of course, I don't believe they have places on courses where you might have a three or four group backup either...

Of course, I don't believe they have places on courses where you might have a three or four group backup either...



British Open this year, hole 10 had 4 - 5 group backup every round.

Not PGA of course... ;)

Hi Harold,
Any word on the ping pong tourney details???
Can't wait...!!!

In reviewing the caddy book, I have a question about how the buncr hazards are played. Specifically in relation to Hole 13. The caddy book says "All other areas, including little islands in parking lot are Buncr hazards." So does this mean that the entire parking lot is technically not OB? And that if you land anywhere but in the IB grass or on the island that you simply rethrow from the same lie without an extra stroke penalty? Or does the rule change when it comes to throwing onto the island green - where if you don't make it on - you throw from the last place in bounds?

Thanks in advance for any clarification you can offer.

See you in a few days - 10X yeah babeeeee

All shots not landing inbounds are rethrown from the same lie and the shot just thrown is added to your score. For example, throw in the parking lot off the tee and you retee and that's your second throw, etc. If you're lying two down the fairway and try to cross the parking lot on the next throw and don't make it, you now lie 3 and are throwing from the same spot.

may be of some advantage for the guys playing in the doubles tourney to have a chance to see how these changes will work in 'real' tournament style play situations... unfort i'll be one of the guinea pigs (but will be fun playing captain's choice)

McCabe called me today and said this is the hardest set-up he's ever seen for the USDGC~!!!

Yee Haw, That's means a guy like me might even have a chance.

does anyone have an idea of when tee times will be posted?

start out the way you did last year and you'll be on your way!

does anyone have an idea of when tee times will be posted?



Tee times will be given to you at the mandatory players meeting tuesday night...

does anyone have an idea of when tee times will be posted?

Tuesday night at the MANDATORY player's meeting

ha ha, beat ya to it, you MulleTT!

It's OFFICIAL ..... Get your Copies NOW !!!!! (http://www.clashdvd.com/order.htm)

Are you planning on making the trip down to Rock Hill to watch the action and play on Sunday? You must sign up for a tee time! $5 donation and you are off on your chance to stay between the ropes. I am looking to break 80 this year!!!
Sign up here before all the times are taken: http://www.usdgc.com/spectator-day-tee-time-sheet

We have a winner. Nick Peters of Novato, California was drawn for the Sponsor's Exemption spot. Nick was excited to learn the news, and he told me that he may be able to compete. Nick will decide in the next day or so. If he can not attend, he can transfer his spot (as was posted previously.) Stay tuned for more details.

Thanks to all who supported events through the CFR Program.

Take care,
Harold

congraTTs nick, get there

****, I had like 25 of those things! I'd be happy to take that off your hands if you can't go Nick. :)

sell it on ebay Nick!!! (i've always wanted to see what one of these spots would go for)

theres a good precedent to start

Wow! Cackalacky here I come!!! :eek:

If anyone has any open floor space please give me a shout. Cheers!

lol.... thats awesome that you can make it! woulda figured the odds were slim that someone could make it on such short notice... says a lot about this event!!

Congrats!

sorry for hijacking the thread, not sure if I posted this already. Andrew lost a Star Destoryer on hole #10 some where in the bushes on the right (he was trying the Avery over the parking lot shot.). So if anyone finds It I will put up a disc (your choice) from the Pro shop. We will be at the USDGC all week. Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Now back to the regularly scheduled Thread


Thanks in Advance.

Sorry he lost the Destroyer on hole #11.

Not bushes ether some kind of evergreen.

Andrew and I are sitting here watching 07 USDGC Lead card and I still put the wrong Hole Number.

what color and about how far down?

those bushes eat plastic, trust me I know

good luck next week at USDGC MulleTT.. I think its time for you to win that tournament.

I so can't wait to get there and see the course changes, not to mention all the folks converging in Rock HIll!

See ya'll on Sunday.

good luck next week at USDGC MulleTT.. I think its time for you to win that tournament.



2nd!

I so can't wait to get there and see the course changes, not to mention all the folks converging in Rock HIll!

See ya'll on Sunday.



2nd

But not til Monday night

good luck next week at USDGC MulleTT.. I think its time for you to win that tournament.



2nd!

3rd and Thanks for the good luck wishes.

good luck next week at USDGC MulleTT.. I think its time for you to win that tournament.



2nd!

3rd and Thanks for the good luck wishes.



Win this thing for North Carolina and all your fans. Can't wait to see you play next week.

I see that the ping pong challenge is offering a prize of $500.
Shouldn't there be another zero on the end of that? :)
I heard that in years past the prize was much bigger for beating Pete. Does this mean that his game is leaving him a bit???
All in good fun... Can't wait to see everyone... So who are some Pong challengers???

1f2n' usually challenges but Pete won't let him use his own paddle. Lame.

However, I've seen Pete take down several peeps with a lunch tray and other objects

who is 1f2n' ?

mike hoFmaNN

Biscoe beat me to it. Looking very forward to VTI next year John.

One significant change this year includes every player being responsible for keeping a scorecard for the entire group. Which card gets handed to the scoring tables throughout the course? One or all?

Good luck to everyone from NC competing!!

Brian Schweberger
Brian McRee
Michael Johansen
Mike Hofmann
Jeremy Koling
David Wiggins, Jr.
Stan McDaniel
Jeb Bryant
Chris Howard
Sam Nicholson

Go team NC!!

Hopefully a couple more!!!!

Exactly!!

Do Caddies have to pay for a ticket? I'm assuming yes, but hoping for no. ;)

They never have before - so I would say no. Just check the caddy in when the player checks in and if you need a pass, they will give you one then.

As far as the banquet goes, do I just need to by a plate for my caddy, or my caddy and myself?

http://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/index.php?p=product&amp;id=598&amp;parent=0

USDGC Guest Banquet Fee ($10.00 per quest)- September 30, 2008 @ 7:30pm

A full dinner will be provided to competitors.

Space is limited, please limit your guests to caddies and family only.

The deadline to sign up would be on September 25, 2008.

Directions to the banquet will be provided upon check in.

Note: Please provide the guest name in the Special Instructions box

Will the guest get a full dinner?, Lil Wigg, sign up your caddy...LOL

:)

does anyone know through word of mouth or knowledge of who all is attempting to qualify this year?

Bard
Sjur
Rob Kelly
Ant Gale
Steve Millz
... probably some peeps from US Doubles

NOT ME :(

Brian Skinner

So are we allowed to use our own paddles for ping pong this year?

Ahh, Pete and the lunch tray, now that was one heck of a battle I'll never forget, but I'm proud to say, I took him down (22-20).

Bard
Sjur
Rob Kelly
Ant Gale
Steve Millz
... probably some peeps from US Doubles

NOT ME :(


I wish I was. :( Stupid college. I'll be there next year, probably won't need to be there Monday... but we'll see. ;)

and maybe you wont have that far of a drive to the tourney either! ;)

Pete told me last year we could use our own paddles this year, we'll see.

I spoke with Pete this morning. I believe that we are all in for a treat.

King Pong will be fun for participants and spectators alike. Pete will supply the paddles, and players must use the paddles that Pete supplies. There will be many different types to choose from. Each type will be in pairs to ensure that both competitors have access to the same equipment.

There will be a two-tier entry fee. You can play for free and have a chance a chance to win $50, or pay $20 and have a chance for $500. The chance to play Pete does not depend on whether you pay to play. All the entry fees go to charity.

Take care,
Harold

1f2ns and discpong... maybe if you bring 2 paddles like the one you want to use of your own you can do that ;)

Are you experiencing gas shortages? just wondering if I should take the fuel option on the rental.

YES. Its crazy. Lines forever long for gas, people fighting, sometimes only premium available.Texaco didnt have any gas. Get gas BEFORE you get close to here. Supposed to let up in a couple days.

DO NOT COME TO ROCK HILL ON AN EMPTY TANK.

Is Joe going to be there?
We should sit and break break while we are there

My paddle is a Butterfly SG21-1000-F Blade (OFF+) with Regular Inverted Smooth Rubber (Tibhar Torpedo with MAX 2.5+mm. thickness on both sides). Your basic fast and spinny regular type modern setup. I have 2 of them and can bring both to throw them into the pile. Mike, what do you have?

no clue.....

???

My paddle is a Butterfly SG21-1000-F Blade (OFF+) with Regular Inverted Smooth Rubber (Tibhar Torpedo with MAX 2.5+mm. thickness on both sides). Your basic fast and spinny regular type modern setup. I have 2 of them and can bring both to throw them into the pile. Mike, what do you have?



Are they over stable or under stable? :D

they R definitely flippy

Of course players can bring their own equipment for their recreational play. For King Pong, I would hope that folks would refrain from using or asking to use their own equipment after the rules have been made so clear.

Take care,
Harold

are there gambling odds anywhere??

Maybe the Mini Thumber will attempt to qualify on monday. What is the status of live coverage so we can get our desk tops cleared, so I can look busy this week, just in case I don't qualify. ;)

are there gambling odds anywhere??


The correlation coefficient for the USDGC last year indicated that 75% of a player's final rank was predicted by their initial rating. I'm thinking the other 25% was based on how well they played 888 and hole 17... :p

(Of course this could all be bunk, er...)

For real gas is that hard to get there?

What's it going for a gallon? It's like $3.45 here in Houston.

I would've loved to have Buncr rules on 17 during last year's first round...that hole helped me fall into the "other 25%" that chuck is talking about :)

Can't wait to get down there! Plane leaves Friday at 2, gets in at 11pm...surprisingly, no direct flights from Montana to SC!

I paid $4.39 yesterday here South of Atlanta, after 2 days of not having any gas. :(

$4.71 here at the beach about 3 hours east of Charlotte and no problem finding gas at all. but ours comes from the port and not the pipe line.

For real gas is that hard to get there?

What's it going for a gallon? It's like $3.45 here in Houston.



my company has an office in charlotte and people down there were complaining today about being unable to get gas. i also have a good friend in columbia, sc who relayed basically the same thing.

i live on a farm where we have several large gas tanks- i'm stocking up on ammo to go along with them. mad max road warrior anyone? :( :D

Yeah, Im in Columbia, SC and premium and plus are sold out almost everywhere but I haven't had a problem finding regular. Gas is about 3.95 here in Cola.

We're down to $3.39 today just down the street here in MN. Must be a regional issue.

Tee Times are still available for Sunday. You can sign-up at this address.

Tee Time Sign-up (http://www.usdgc.com/spectator-day-tee-time-sign-up)

We're down to $3.39 today just down the street here in MN. Must be a regional issue.



It has got to do with where your gas is pumped from, what lines are used. Different states or regions like you said have different gas lines.

in the caddy book it says that #11 is a par 4 on the side and a par 5 in the middle. which is it?

in the caddy book it says that #11 is a par 4 on the side and a par 5 in the middle.


Perhaps on that hole, par depends on your route... ;)

par 4... dang it.

its not so much the price of gas here... as someone mentioned its a matter of if you can actually find it.

the stations that did get gas (if you can find them) i think are around 4/gallon

things are supposed to be better in the next few days