I have never had a rating before, b/c last year, my first year as a member of the PDGA, I only played 2 sanctioned events as an intermediate. This year, I have played in 4 PDGA tourneys as an Advance player, and I was wondering when I will be issued a rating?

Straight form the PDGA office on another thread


3rd stats report is done. Player stats and event results are now on-line for 95 events. 1st player ratings update for 2004 is on schedule for May 15.

1 week from tomorrow they are scheduled to be updated.

Then they will get on here and say it will be another week, but it will actually take 2 weeks.

So, roughly 3 weeks until the next ratings update. :D:D

P.S.--I know y'all are volunteers. I am only kidding. :p

You are funny. Not "ha ha" funny though... ;)

I don't know if I should, but I will take that as a compliment.

You are funny. Not "ha ha" funny though... ;)



More like "*****" funny. :eek:

Didn't you quit disc golf?

The ratings have been done for a week but we're just sitting on them so we don't raise expectations and can try some new delay excuses (just 'Kid'ing). Let's see Kid Roc's rating... I see a 3-digit number and it has a 9 in it. But you'll just have to wait until at least the 15th.

Goodfellas...

Now dance kid! DANCE! :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::confused: :) :D :cool:/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ;)

The ratings have been done for a week but we're just sitting on them so we don't raise expectations and can try some new delay excuses (just 'Kid'ing). Let's see Kid Roc's rating... I see a 3-digit number and it has a 9 in it. But you'll just have to wait until at least the 15th.



That is hilarious!!!!!!!!!

"We were going to post them, but we had to save DeLa."

"The dog ate my jump-drive."

"Everything was done, but before I could upload they upgraded me to Office.net."

"The internet was down."

"We got these cool Voice-Over-IP phones, so I just read all the ratings data into my phone. I don't know why you can't download it."

Chuck Roc in the house! Go CK! Go CK! GO! GO! Put chya hands in da ayia...

Chuck be bad! Whoot Whoot!

Actually, we're working on a revised formula (a "tweak", as we like to say) that factors in (inversely, of course) the number of posts you've had on the message board...

-Theo

Actually, we're working on a revised formula (a "tweak", as we like to say) that factors in (inversely, of course) the number of posts you've had on the message board...

-Theo



I think that is the funniest thing any member of the BOD has ever posted!!! :D:D:D

He couldn't possibly be talking about Atwood's love child, could he??? :eek:

Woo-Hoo! I'll be mining the Rec division after May 15th! :)

Or in a Ratings Based event, I'll be in the "Lavendar Buttercup" division. :D

So J&B and Graceland in Lamoni (4-24/4-25) won't be in the update? Just wondering.

The ratings have been done for a week but we're just sitting on them so we don't raise expectations and can try some new delay excuses (just 'Kid'ing). Let's see Kid Roc's rating... I see a 3-digit number and it has a 9 in it. But you'll just have to wait until at least the 15th.



Chuck, in order to give false credibility to your above claim, can you tell me what my best rated round was at the Bluegrass DGA (last weekend in March)?

if I can only have one digit, may I request the middle one? :D

Woo-Hoo! I'll be mining the Rec division after May 15th! :)

Or in a Ratings Based event, I'll be in the "Lavendar Buttercup" division. :D



I can feel the love. :D

if I can only have one digit, may I request the middle one?



I got chur middle digit right here... :p

if I can only have one digit, may I request the middle one?



I got chur middle digit right here... :p



:D

Theo,

Ah! So there is a correlation between posting here and worse play....

You should have said so before.

Hey Barry and Ken, we all need to hear your extended views on these topics...

So that's why I still have an INT rating :cool:

No more am 2 for me :confused: :confused: :mad:

Theo,

Ah! So there is a correlation between posting here and worse play....

You should have said so before.

Hey Barry and Ken, we all need to hear your extended views on these topics...



so that's why my play has taken a serious downturn since I joined this board!

Will it really happen on the 15th of this month, I hope so, really looking forward to see if my rating improved.

Boobs, I think you know that it did.

Question regarding Ratings updates and when they are applied, specifically to a tourney that is in progress? When this update becomes public is there a grace period or if a MA2 player's rating goes above 914, do they have to finish the tourney as MA1? A possibility for tourneys this coming weekend since the ratings are due to be updated this Saturday. Is there a way to delay the release or have the release before Friday so us TDs don't have this additional burden?

Just curious,
Ray :cool:

Technically, the plan was to have the ratings not effective until the first of the month following the update, except for players who have never had a rating before. If an event is already underway during an update, the update doesn't impact that event.

Thanks Chuck. That's what I thought about updates that occur during a tourney, but wanted to make sure. This also helps the other TD this weekend just in case ;) . You never know when someone goes home Saturday and sees a competitor in a lower division than their current rating and complains to the TD. I'll just keep a list of the Ams ratings when I get their signup info so there is no mistake. :D

Hey Chuck,

Question for you: If you take a penalty stroke is that supposed to be reported in the results and does it have any impact on your PR?

Thanks!

Penalties are part of the score. Hopefully, excessive penalty rounds like the 68, wunderkind Matt Orum "shot" at BG (arrived late) will drop in the 15% of his worst rounds. That's one of the reasons we did the 15% drop so we wouldn't need to monitor every round for exception results. Actually, in his case, that round will drop out in our new filter rejecting rounds more than about 3 standard deviatons below a player's current average rating. And, that happens before the 15% drop happens.

That's one of the reasons we did the 15% drop so we wouldn't need to monitor every round for exception results. Actually, in his case, that round will drop out in our new filter rejecting rounds more than about 3 standard deviatons below a player's current average rating. And, that happens before the 15% drop happens.



Hey Chuck is there a % of scores at the top...or a specific criteria that would drop a score that is way above an individuals rating?

no, there isn't.

About how many strokes (generally) is 3 standard deviation points ?

We will drop a few on the high side but only if we can confirm it was a calculation error. Perhaps a Junior player got a rating on a course configuration that she didn't play and it was rated 1020.

The standard deviation gets larger the lower the rating. For now, the bottom cut is... no I can't tell you.

We will drop a few on the high side but only if we can confirm it was a calculation error. Perhaps a Junior player got a rating on a course configuration that she didn't play and it was rated 1020.

The standard deviation gets larger the lower the rating. For now, the bottom cut is... no I can't tell you.



Having just completed AP Stats, I enjoy the fact some of that mumbo jumbo can be applied to Disc Golf!!
(Does the PDGA have an actuary!? :D)

1 week from tomorrow they are scheduled to be updated.

Then they will get on here and say it will be another week, but it will actually take 2 weeks.

So, roughly 3 weeks until the next ratings update. :D:D

P.S.--I know y'all are volunteers. I am only kidding. :p


The ratings have been done for a week but we're just sitting on them so we don't raise expectations and can try some new delay excuses (just 'Kid'ing). Let's see Kid Roc's rating... I see a 3-digit number and it has a 9 in it. But you'll just have to wait until at least the 15th.



all-knowing Hawkgammon -- when exactly will the ratings be updated? :confused:

1 week from tomorrow they are scheduled to be updated.

Then they will get on here and say it will be another week, but it will actually take 2 weeks.

So, roughly 3 weeks until the next ratings update. :D:D

P.S.--I know y'all are volunteers. I am only kidding. :p


The ratings have been done for a week but we're just sitting on them so we don't raise expectations and can try some new delay excuses (just 'Kid'ing). Let's see Kid Roc's rating... I see a 3-digit number and it has a 9 in it. But you'll just have to wait until at least the 15th.



all-knowing Hawkgammon -- when exactly will the ratings be updated? :confused:



Are they still set to be released Saturday!?

hey! it's saturday.... wassup??? :confused: :D:confused:

haha I was going to says that at like midnight but decided not to jump the gun ;)

SCORES?!?!?!?!?!

no, wait.... I meant

RATINGS!?!?!?!?!?!

If we were real players, some of us would be playing right now instead of waiting on these ratings... but I'm not, so come on ratings!!! :)

are we there yet?
are we there yet?
are we there yet?

let down :p

OK, Its dark abouyt everywhere......

RATINGS!?!??!

Read your last two posts...... You need to put down the Ziggy too Mr. Schmack :D:D:D

I thought they said they were ready to go like a week ago.

The PDGA screws up again, they were ady a week ago but waiting till the 15th and the 15th has passed. Sad/pathetic huh?

It was said that the update was running on schedule for saturday the 15th... oh well it will come eventually... at least I was playing golf all day instead of hovering over a computer waiting for the ratings update....

The PDGA screws up again, they were ady a week ago but waiting till the 15th and the 15th has passed. Sad/pathetic huh?



You need to a take class in "humor" or something. GO back and read that joke-post about them being ready 2 weeks ago and look for the humor.

If you go back to previous posts, you'll see that we're moving away from trying to post the ratings on the 15th if that date falls right before or on a weekend. For instance, we wouldn't want to publish new ratings online if the 15th was on a Friday, right after the office sent out the weekend's membership lists to TDs (that would lead to online ratings that didn't match the lists, which may cause confusion).

One important event that we had results for inadvertently wasn't included in the first pass of the update, which was done Friday, so we're adding it in. We will have the new ratings posted shortly.

-Theo Pozzy
PDGA Commissioner
Ratings Committee

The man has spoken. There is our answer.

if I can only have one digit, may I request the middle one?



I got chur middle digit right here... :p



Chuck, does that mean I can have my middle digit yet? :D

Theo, what can the PDGA do to get a tournament director of an A tier to turn in the results? The director is already on the overdue list. I have even called and talked to the wife who helps run the business. The answer i got is that he has ran so many tournaments that he has been to busy to send them in. This is uncalled for. If you are going to give A tier status to tournaments then they should get the results in on time.

Well I am guessing no ratings tonight maybe tomorrow.

Theo or Chuck, has there been any consideration given to dropping the worst 15% of every rated player's rounds -- even if they have less than 20 rounds? It seems to skew down the ratings of AM.s when a player with 17 rounds or less propagates statistics. Is that an accurate observation?

The man has spoken. There is our answer.



Sure took him long enough

c-mon guys...did you really expect the ratings to be posted on the 15th? Past experience tells us to look for them in about 2 weeks. :p

Theo, what can the PDGA do to get a tournament director of an A tier to turn in the results? The director is already on the overdue list. I have even called and talked to the wife who helps run the business. The answer i got is that he has ran so many tournaments that he has been to busy to send them in. This is uncalled for. If you are going to give A tier status to tournaments then they should get the results in on time.


i was about to inquire about the same thing, if you're refering to the A-tier held in florida in january this year

Too bad that a great tourney has been ruined. Unless someone else takes over, I probably won't go next year.

The PDGA is going to use unofficial results as official results???

Rob,

Chuck will have to answer that one, as he's done most of the research on the current formula.

By the way, your 4th round at the Bluegrass was a 975 round. And the middle digit of your new rating is 2 (nice jump!)...

Yes it is the A-tier in Florida. He has time to send in the pro results but can not find time to send in the ams. It was a great tournament but i dont know if i will go next year. The u.s. ams website has the results and people qualified but not the pdga. well atleast come time for the july ratings it will be in there.

such a great course, i don't know how bad i would have to get shafted to force me not to play it again.

theo, is my middle digit a 4 or a 3?

So when do you think that the ratings will come out, any specific dates in mind :confused: Thank you.

I got a specific date in mind, Me J-lo, some J-ello, and HELLO!

That date wouldn't last very long :)

I played my first tounament in five years. If I would played by my player rating of 863, I would have wipe out rec, intermediate and got second in advanced, but I missed cash by one spot in open. My question is should I go by player rating or play the division I know I belong in? Hearing the concerns about when will ratings be posted sounds like an ego thing or someone trying to drop down a division. That's just me talking,

I just want to be a propogator!

:D

if you almost cashed in Open, play Open!

I could care less about player ratings. I have one am tournament to play, then after that I will playing open regardless of my player rating

Good, then my only advice to you would be to get your membership current. :)

What's Keith Warrens 4th digit?

the ratings for some of us are indicators of wether we've been getting better or worse. I'm pretty sure my rating will drop a good 15-20 points this update because I played like crap the last 5 months.

Assuming the ratings are ever updated ;)

Jefferson - a 4.
Keith Warren - a zero (you know what that means...).

It's fun teasing you guys...

-Theo

Theo any clue on what Matt Hall's middle number is? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Three higher than it used to be (nice jump!).

That's it for spoilers. The official update is coming soon...

-Theo

Wait! I need to know my middle digit! (insert joke here)

Rhett,

It's a 1 - bouncing back a little, but you'll be much better off after you drop those Old Zoo Fling rounds from last year (what happened there, anyway?).

-Theo

No way all my rounds pretty much were over 945 and thier were 16 of them and Pecan park came out to be like a 980 average /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I played my first tounament in five years. If I would played by my player rating of 863, I would have wipe out rec, intermediate and got second in advanced, but I missed cash by one spot in open. My question is should I go by player rating or play the division I know I belong in? Hearing the concerns about when will ratings be posted sounds like an ego thing or someone trying to drop down a division. That's just me talking,



Here's the key, tough guy--you've been playing for over 5 years (you joined the PDGA in 2001, and might have been playing for significantly longer than that before you joined).

Just because you haven't played in a sanctioned tourney in over 5 years doesn't mean that you haven't been playing (and if you were able to nearly cash in MPO then you've obviously been playing).

You try to make it sound as though you are a beginner. You're not. If you had played Rec, regardless of your rating, you would be an ***** of huge proportions...as Rec is intended for newer players.

You obviously care more about ratings than you let on, otherwise you wouldn't have opened your pie hole in this topic.

Crap. My last B-tier points grab is in Jeopardy now.

but you'll be much better off after you drop those Old Zoo Fling rounds from last year (what happened there, anyway?).



How about the beginning of the "can't putt"-itis on short short short short course.

Update today maybe?

I could care less about player ratings. I have one am tournament to play, then after that I will playing open regardless of my player rating



Do It Man, Good luck to ya!

so "coming soon" is the only time frame we have been given?
I know you guys are volunteers and under appreciated, but I don't think it is too much to ask that you make your deadlines, and when you don't provide a reasonable time-frame of when the members can expect the update. I hate to be the one to *****, but the anticipation of my rating drop urges me to light the fire under the PDGA's respective arse.
Thanks.

nix, I am surprised that people have been so reserved about it for this long.

ratings? I dont need no stink'n ratings.

where all the white women?

Don't turn the heat up on a volunteer labor pool. You might just get them to walk, and there is *NOT* a line to fill the positions!

Keep reality in mind.

Sorry theo I forgot i asked about the middle number. At first i thought you mean't my rating only went up three points and you said "NICE JUMP" to be sarcastic. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Can I assume if I can't get the results of a tourney on PDGA site, that it won't be used in my ratings update???
The tourneys were 3 and 4 weeks ago.

Tasker you aint right! :D

Jefferson - a 4.
Keith Warren - a zero (you know what that means...).




I'm guessing 1010!?!

Don't turn the heat up on a volunteer labor pool. You might just get them to walk, and there is *NOT* a line to fill the positions!

Keep reality in mind.



Rumor has it that "YOU" are in that line :D

I just want to see a list soon...so I can break the news to a few "Baggers" this weekend at the KOA :DLOTS of INT Men on the line of ADV.... :eek:

Jeremy Cole looks to be sneaking in just under the wire with a 91* rating! MOTOWN BAGGER! ;)

Yea well I also have an "Adv Master" with a current rating of 912 thats thinking of dropping down to Int.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I may be moving the Adv. Masters to the A Pool to make more room for Int Men and it would better fit his schedule needs :p

I kinda agree with Nix on this one.

If you say you will do something by a certain date, it should be done!

You take care of problems before hand...not the day of.

That's being called professional.

think about the past guys...the 15th always becomes about the 28th. Give them another 10 days or so. :D

But I wanna see them now! :(

Let's be supportive of them. I like to make jokes about them being late also but we need to keep it at jokes.

I am sure that they are working as quickly as possible to get them done. Be patient.

I'll have to make this quick-
I'm at Camp IV, just above the Lhotse Face, and getting ready to climb 3,000 feet to the summit of Mt. Everest.
Before I take off, I was wondering if the ratings have been updated yet?
It's really not that important to me, but I just thought I'd ask... ;)

shouldn't you be talking to a sherpa about your supply of O2 and not your player rating :D

Be patient.



if they don't hurry up they are going to be a patient! :D:D:D

Can someone tell me my last digit?

Mine is updated. I'm 4 points better than last time. :D

They are updated! Now, stop your bichin!

Mine went up 8 points

got my first rating, its at 875... unfortunate because it should be higher if it wasnt for 2 very bad rounds in michigan in march.... 817 and 840.... then my other 3 rounds were 904, 893 and 921 oh well by the end of the year those two bad rounds will be dropped i'm sure :)

When are the next batch of ratings coming out? My rating keeps going up and I have been playing poorly lately. I did much better when my rating was lower.

Hurry up Theo. I need my August/September update.

got my first rating, its at 875... unfortunate because it should be higher if it wasnt for 2 very bad rounds in michigan in march.... 817 and 840.... :)



What I hate is when I shoot two bad rounds in Ann Arbor in March while everyone else in my division is playing in June, but I've made other choices for that weekend and that entry fee. Not this year. I'm biting the bullet and coughing up that entr fee.

Come back for the DGLO and redeem yourself.

can someone tell me how in the he!! my rating goes down 1 point when my only singles rounds played since the last ratings were out was approx. 20 & 30 points higher than my last rating.. :confused:,man I am totally confused about this stuff...

Oh you can count on it, I am looking forward to playing there again :)

Thanks Theo for the update!

It's now offical. My highest rated round is now a 1051. Now I need to find a way to top that.

-m

Just compare it to my new rating, and that should make you feel better Watson! :o

3 years off and my player rating shows it!

See what you guys did? You bugged and bugged about this update and now they've gone and posted it. Thanks a lot! :mad:

Your much better than a 922 ! I know it, and I know you know it! Yeah it does make me feel a little better! :D

You will be glad to know my 1051 was at your house! 41 from the shorts. Could of been a 39 easily! :D

See yah soon! Nice avitar! Fitting for sure. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Man, that was the worst possible rating of all scenarios. Couldn't you just bump mine 1 point higher???

I see at least 5 Texas players who's new ratings automatically bump them from MA2 to MA1.

Of those 5, two of them (Denny Ritner 914 t0 917, and Joe Torrence 914 to 916) were already playing Advanced. Two others (Keith Vest 889 to 920, and Terry Toolen 909 to 920) were flipping back and forth between AM and Advanced. The other player (Anthony Martinez 925*), has only been playing (and cashing heavily) in the AM division (but not any more).

Marcus Hazzle, on the other hand, can drop back down AM if he feels so inclined (920 to 911).

Looks like The Kid finally has a rating more indicative of his current skill level.


*first ever rating

ive been at 935 since 2000. lmao. Oh well at least last weekend was in the high 970's for all of my rounds. Maybe by the end of this year i'll finally get my 950. That's what I have been averaging at my home course for the last 2 years.

Man, that was the worst possible rating of all scenarios. Couldn't you just bump mine 1 point higher???



You know, Rhett, you are allowed to 'bump' yourself? There are hundreds of players with ratings lower than your AM-cieling 914 who have made the self-bump.

I'm just sayin :eek:

mine never changes????? I think these ratings SUX. Thanks for the hard work anyways. much appreciated

aaaggggggggggh! all that anticipation and mine stayed the same also :p

can someone tell me how in the he!! my rating goes down 1 point when my only singles rounds played since the last ratings were out was approx. 20 & 30 points higher than my last rating.. :confused:,man I am totally confused about this stuff...



maybe some good rounds dropped out of your average due to age.

Man, that was the worst possible rating of all scenarios. Couldn't you just bump mine 1 point higher???



My portfolio has been crashing all month but I'm up seven points. Should have put it all in Bruce, Inc.!

now I see, I have had some of my better rounds dropped off...
what a bummer...that means I must be having bad rounds due to my age :D

I don't understand why my rating has stayed exactly the same for the last 3 ratings updates?
Am I the most consistent(ly bad) player in the world?
Just wondering.

I don't understand why my rating has stayed exactly the same for the last 3 ratings updates?
Am I the most consistent(ly bad) player in the world?
Just wondering.



You certainly are in the running for one of the most inconsistantly good players. You have some hot rounds in there making those 860s look really bad! :)

mine went down 4 points... I think it was that my 999 round got taken off. :(

The rounds come and the rounds go. They did drop my Hambrick rounds from last year :(, making a huge difference in balancing out my trash rounds.

Keith Warren - a zero (you know what that means...).




I'm guessing 1010!?!



Chris, I thought you liked to give Keith a hard time about math. If the third digit is a zero it means he is inbetween 1000 and 1009.

Looks like you're still a step ahead of him, but your Contour Crew compadre may be about to pass you ... or is he? :D

Yeah but Chris had asked for the fourth digit and not the third ;)

I'm not sure where anyone got the idea ratings updates would be published by the 15th of a month. The documents that I've posted on updates I believe have always said mid-month, not the 15th. As Theo pointed out, we're not publishing on days between about Wednesday thru Sunday afternoon so the numbers are in sync with the PDGA member files sent to TDs right before an event.

Many of the questions posted here can also be answered with the documents finally posted on the PDGA site that Bruce has been so patient to prod us for so long.

http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/index.php

yea Keith is about to pass me, right now he's rated at 1018 if you count Tower Ridge, Michiana, and Legion of Doom ( all 3 tournaments weren't included in the update) his last 15 tournament rounds come out to 1026 that's just crazy.

thanks for the updates...

Straight form the PDGA office on another thread

3rd stats report is done. Player stats and event results are now on-line for 95 events. 1st player ratings update for 2004 is on schedule for May 15.




Chuck, this is where people got the idea of May 15th. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks for all of your hard work! Still not a propogator, but I am 16 pts closer :D.

See yah soon! Nice avitar! Fitting for sure. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Yeah some really cool guy sent it to me! ;) ;)

I'm not sure where anyone got the idea ratings updates would be published by the 15th of a month. The documents that I've posted on updates I believe have always said mid-month, not the 15th.



Dear PDGA,

I have it upon good authority that Osama Bid Laden is closely watching this situation. If the next ratings updates are not published by midnight on July 15th, 2004, simultaneous attacks on all 1300+ disc golf courses throughout the country will occur.

I'm told that President Bush is closely watching this situation as well. Despite the promised transfer of power on June 30th, if the next ratings updates are not published by midnight on July 15th, 2004, a draft will be reinstated and all disc golfers will be sent to launch a new war initiative against Iraq.

As you can see, the ratings updates are truly life-or-death scenarios. Or at least some bozos on this board act that way.

:D

Sweet I finally got rid of my crappy 800 rated rounds so i got a good bump. Luckily I can still dog my dad because i have a higher rating then him. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yeah but Chris had asked for the fourth digit and not the third ;)



oops. feels like i just missed a putt :mad:

Thanks Theo & staff, this is the update I've been waiting for. Jumped from 894 to 906, kind of a personal goal. It's been fun watching my rating rise with my skill level.

I took a 47 point jump. 866 to 913 so Im pretty happy with that :D

I had a 70 pt jump.

I took a 47 point jump. 866 to 913 so Im pretty happy with that :D



And you still have the option to collect or donate!

I resemble that remark :D

I took a 47 point jump. 866 to 913 so Im pretty happy with that :D



So close to AM 1, Millz. Your 866 was tainted anyway.

For the first time in my life, I am playing AM 1, and I'm NOT playing up. Thanks PDGA for moving AM 2 from 925 to 915!
I almost feel like a real disc golfer now. :D

all is finally right with the world again as i am ahead of garnett!!!!
i am slowly losing all the left handed putting rounds with each update... by the next one i should be losing the last few 900 rounds

thanks again to saint dave dunipace for his words of wisdom!! :D

992 up to 1005
pretty happy on this end, ive never been over 1000 in the past. :cool:

Close, but not quite!

992 up to 1005
pretty happy on this end, ive never been over 1000 in the past. :cool:



Word is anything over 1000 is pretty good..

:D

does anybody know what the deal is with tournaments that have all the results posted but have no ratings posted with them...there are a couple in my neck of the woods..

Do they say Official Results or Unofficial Results?

It appears that Official Results with no ratings have not been processed through the ratings system and added to players ratings yet.

The Unofficial Results haven't had their reports turned in and processed by the PDGA, so they have unofficial ratings you can see. I think once the reports are processed into the PDGA system, the unofficial ratings disappear and the Official ratings will reappear sometime prior to the next ratings update.

I think this is the process, but someone in the know would know for sure.

"preliminary" i.e unofficial ratings are found on Tourneys that post results right away. As soon as the "Official Tournament Resuls" are posted, these ratings dissapear. They will be re-calculated and adjusted before being posted with the new ratings update (sometime in August). This affects any tournament results that were included in the May24th update but were not used to calculate your ratings posted on May 18th.

(at least thats how I understood it)

there is two tournaments(one in April and one May 15),they both say official results...but no ratings :confused:

I'm sure it'll get ironed out...Thanks..

Ray (Praire_dog) is correct (mostly). The official ratings will appear when we publish the next ratings update, on (or around) July 15.

-Theo Pozzy
PDGA Commissioner
PDGA.com Webmaster

Thanks for the clarification Theo :cool:

Does that include ADV ratings?My stats are from Feb. of 2003.

I had one tournament totally erased from my stats. It was last year's 2 days in may. It had 2 of my highest rated rounds in it. My rating still went up 2 pts but whats up with that??

EOG

Eddie, if you have over 20 rated rounds included, the ratings system only uses rounds for 12 months before your most recent rated round.

Bap, I know people that have more rounds rated than me (since that tourney and overall) and still have that tourney on their rated rounds. Its not even showing up on my ratings detail page. Explain that?

No explanation, Eddie. I looked at it again, and I think someone made a mistake. It should be included, because your most recent rated round is in April. There's no telling. Not too much to worry about, because it would have dropped out of the next ratings update anyhow.

Thanks Bap. Rodney said the same thing. Nobody's perfect. If people think I'm rated 925 instead of 930ish then maybe it could work to my atvantage. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My ratings havent changed since Feb. 04. Can I stay below 900 forever?Pretty sure I could Tear up INT.

when do the next ratings come out?

when do the next ratings come out?



Current Player Ratings are updated five times a year, in mid-February, May, July, September and December.

All the info you need... http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/index.php

thanks jeff,josh

We're on track to complete processing by middle of next week. Our policy is to publish the updates on a Monday or Tuesday so TDs and players have time to adjust divisions if necessary for the weekend events. So, the likely date for publishing the mid-July update is Monday, July 19. As usual, these ratings will be the ones used for pool seedings at Worlds.

This will also be the update that will be used to determine the Top 3 rated Amateurs by state that haven't qualified for the USADGC. The top 3 will get an invite to play the 2004 USADGC. Please note though that you need to have 8 rated rounds (not just from this year) to be eligible (i.e. a propogator)

As usual, these ratings will be the ones used for pool seedings at Worlds.



How does that work Chuck? Are the higher rated players put in the Pool A, next higher in B and so on?

Usually, only the top pool has the highest rated players in Open and Master Pro. Not sure whether Advanced will be done that way (most likely) or whether ratings will be used to make equally seeded pools. Typically, the Open B pool is where players who request being in the same pool for transportation reasons are placed, but B and C (and D if exists) pools are roughly equally seeded.

The history on top heavy seeding goes back to Charlotte Worlds when roughly equally seeded pools (no ratings then) had drastically different weather conditions on course sets that were wide open versus in the woods. I believe seeding started in the 2000 Worlds to make sure at least the top rated players were together to avoid weather/course issues.

It has continued since then. However, top seeding wasn't needed at Houston because all courses were not only on the same site but were all about the same amount of openness. I think the top seeding is needed most of the time. But when circumstances like Houston or future Worlds in Augusta with similar terrain courses on the same site, equally seeded pools would allow the special privilege from the "old days" when an "average joe" might get to be in a group with one of the World's best players in the first round.

Thanks Chuck. All very interesting info.

ratings are planned to get updated next week?

Thats what it sounds like

Let's hope that the pools are equal in number this time around. Last year there were only 16 Open players in one pool, while the other 2 Open pools had 72. The pools should be roughly equal in number. That was a pretty large injustice to the people in the short pool. It would have made more sense to 3 pools of roughly 54 players each, seeding only the top pool.

Chap

equally seeded pools would allow the special privilege from the "old days" when an "average joe" might get to be in a group with one of the World's best players in the first round.

this did not happen in Houston the seeded the top players in 1 pool and everyone else in another. Even after people signed up late. 1 of the reasons why I do not attend worlds anymore. :confused:

One of the reasons, the other 100 starting with the number one reason being you got your *** handed to you...

Just workin' yah Pat, calm down, I can see the veins popping out on your forehead from PA.

There is nothing wrong with earning the right to play in the top pool at the Worlds. Aren't we looking for ways to enhance what it means to be a top golfer (without taking away the breast milk from the protected divisions)?

Here's an idea for some entrepreneurial minded hypothetical future Pro Worlds TD. This is not anything I've thought through. I'll let Nick think it through for me:

Announce in advance that the top 18 pros by rating will automatically go into the A pool, one per hole, with the top rated pro on hole 1. Then give the remaining 54 slots to the 54 highest bidders.

If it is worth something to be in the A pool, why not capture that value and return it to the cashing pros?

Good idea that's been proposed several years ago but no takers yet. The idea was to allow anyone to bid on playing with any player in your division in the first round. You could bid $5 to play with your bud at Worlds or bid $100 or more to play with Climo. The person who was bid on would receive half of the amount bid and the purse for that division gets the rest. The hope was for top players to do the kind of things and have the kind of attitude that would inspire people to bid to play with them. Perhaps it would help improve some behavior and provide additional reward to the top players.

Now that it appears the PDGA may hold to the earlier reg deadline for Worlds, this becomes more feasible because there would be time to handle the pairing details for this venture. We considered trying this at our Supertour and possibly 2001 Pro Worlds a few years ago but it got lost in the mire of other priorities.

This will also be the update that will be used to determine the Top 3 rated Amateurs by state that haven't qualified for the USADGC. The top 3 will get an invite to play the 2004 USADGC. Please note though that you need to have 8 rated rounds (not just from this year) to be eligible (i.e. a propogator)


is it just the top 3 rated amateurs by state, or is it the top 3 rated amateurs by state who haven't already qualified?

This will also be the update that will be used to determine the Top 3 rated Amateurs by state that haven't qualified for the USADGC. The top 3 will get an invite to play the 2004 USADGC. Please note though that you need to have 8 rated rounds (not just from this year) to be eligible (i.e. a propogator)


is it just the top 3 rated amateurs by state, or is it the top 3 rated amateurs by state who haven't already qualified?



Who have NOT qualified, ties INCLUSIVE. :D

We're on track to complete processing by middle of next week. Our policy is to publish the updates on a Monday or Tuesday so TDs and players have time to adjust divisions if necessary for the weekend events. So, the likely date for publishing the mid-July update is Monday, July 19. As usual, these ratings will be the ones used for pool seedings at Worlds.



C'mon 968! :(

Come on 930's :D

C'mon 1013! :)

Come on 899! :p

C'mon, 1 more post!

(Preliminary teasers - subject to change)

Chris - lookin' good!
cddiscpimp - not quite, but nice move anyway.
Nick - not that far

-Theo

Chris - lookin' good!




Other than your relative position among Wisconsin golfers, that is. Doh!

I've got your 899, right here buddy. :D

But do I still get to play in the sub-915 pool at worlds ?

But do I still get to play in the sub-915 pool at worlds ?




Yes, no problem.

(Preliminary teasers - subject to change)

Chris - lookin' good!
cddiscpimp - not quite, but nice move anyway.
Nick - not that far

-Theo



Whah! Boo Hoo Hoo!
:D

Is Keith Warren "looking better" than me? . . .I'm guessing 2 points better! :(

899... Yeah, i think i'll be somewhere around there..

a 20 points upwards move would be nice...

(have to wait til my first rounds fall off- i think i need 4-6 more rounds to go up higher).

Erick

Gotta love Theo and Chuck with their pre-update ratings teasers!! :p Keep up the good work guys!

I would like to thank Theo and Chuck for holding out until next week. An early release of PR's could have a negative effect on the odds for this weekend Va. USDGC qualifying tournament.

Hoping to achieve actual intermediate level status. :o

We're reviewing the first run and have found some issues for correction including Animalfest that require another run. So, those teasers could really be teasers. I rearranged the Animalfest round order for some divisions so more players would get rated rounds (doesn't affect me even though I played it).

Did the Emporia Glass Blown Open ever get turned in for this ratings update?

Where was the emporian open held and who was the TD? Does anyone know how to get ahold of this person, Thanks.

never mind, did a google search and figured it out.

OK here is one for you....still have to wait for the official ratings for the tourney. Today in Jersey. 920 player shoots 1040 round.

Go figure...

my first tournament i shot a 859 on the day, month later, with the same rating i shot a 1000 round.

why does that strike you as bizzare, noaceyet?

everyone shoots hot at some time. I'm only a 910ish player on average right now but I'll come out sometimes and shoot 2 strokes off of the top pro. that is how I cash in the top ten on some occassions.

Diron,
did you shoot your 1000 rated round in a tourney? If so, I didn't see it in your posted results...???

noaceyet,

yes, of course lol. gary lewis is slow when it comes to results (so are alot of freakin' tds, i still have 4 tournaments not yet added to my results)

chris heeren won open there and we tied for the hot round. it was the Shorewood Shootout.

my current rating is the result of one, (my first and worst) tournament round, despite having 5 rounds on record at the moment

odds are this guy hasn't played in many tournaments (much like myself) so his rating is inaccurate.

being 17, and only a member of the pdga since this april. my rating is extremely inaccurate. i'm usually a 910 player, but when i get hot anything from 960 is realisitic, and 1000 sometimes reachable: but thats the story with most people anyways, it's just about who does it the most consistantly :D

crazy thing is, had i shot a 1000 round at that first tournament i played in april, it'd be forced to be shoot open right now :D:D:D
what a joke!

I just witnessed Aaron Wield shoot a 1080-1090 rated round while taking a bogey on his 3rd hole. It was insane! It was a 23 hole round. He missed 3 of his first 5 holes including a bogey then proceeded to birdied the next 17 outta 18 holes to shoot -18. That included 3 holes over 450' It's not that easy of a course either, Barry Schultz shot -8 that round.

!wow!

jesus christ

where was this at chris.. ?

It was at silver creek park in Manitowoc Wi

It's Monday. Aren't the new ratings supposed to be coming out today?

I heard that the ratings were coming out today also :mad:

Monday is 24 hours long fellas...

Yes, but there are already 8 hours gone from it.

Yes, but there are already 8 hours gone from it.



Almost 11 hours here! :D

I just witnessed Aaron Wield shoot a 1080-1090 rated round while taking a bogey on his 3rd hole. It was insane! It was a 23 hole round. He missed 3 of his first 5 holes including a bogey then proceeded to birdied the next 17 outta 18 holes to shoot -18. That included 3 holes over 450' It's not that easy of a course either, Barry Schultz shot -8 that round.


Yeah, Mike Schweiger from my club was telling me how he shot a 29 under in 2 rounds of 20 holes at the Pickle, and that was amazing. What he did at Silver Creek makes that look like nothing. Unbelievable. That guy should be sponsored.

That guy should be sponsored.



Although the sponsor has better make sure not to mistakenly send him two checks, he would cash both! :D

Also it would help if he could actually leave the state .... :) He is limited to wisconsin tournaments only for a few more years I think....

From what i hear he still didn't win the tournament though. Chalk up another one for Mr. Warren. 3 in a row! I think his rating may go WAY up.

Yup warren took his 3rd win in a row and 2nd of the weekend! Go Keith!!!

Aren't the ratings supposed to be updated today? Don't give me the usual thei volentears mumble jumble. they set the dates

C'mon Jamie. If you know about the volunteer mumbo jumbo then you also know that anytime they suggest a ratings update date it is at least one week later. They are posting those dates in "disc golf time." You know, like "Registration 8:00 - 9:30. Players' Meeting 9:45" and they are still doing registration at 9:45.

(Preliminary teasers - subject to change)

Chris - lookin' good!
cddiscpimp - not quite, but nice move anyway.
Nick - not that far

-Theo




:confused: :( :mad:

Man i thought i would have atleast 930 for sure. Thanks for the heads up guys. Its good to atleast have an idea of whats to come :D

Theo, how far did the Polish Power jump? I'm hoping at around 910 or so. Big jump for my first year. I love this game!
Craig #23673

Where are the ratings. its almost mid night here in MI and im waiting to see how close i got to the 930s :confused:

I'm waiting until everyone's in bed, so you can all toss and turn all night. :eek:

Actually, we're just confirming a couple of last minute things, and will hopefully be publishing them in a few hours (before midnight Pacific time). There IS a small possibility that we'll have to do it tomorrow.

-Theo

:DCool...only five more hours...We waited for months, so I guess five hours is nothing.

Theo:

How does this ratings update treat you? Are you still the baddest Am2 in Oregon? :D

875 to 895 not too bad... now if i can only get those stupid no foolin rounds dropped :) should be in the 900's by next update


Heeren and Warren both at 1014 good job guys!

Awww Brunner..... I'm glad to be part of the 900 club. hehe. With the Pickle I think I should be higher.

Another decent increase for me - from 909 to 914. And I can still play Intermediate!!! (although I've been playing Advanced Masters for the last few events, and will probably continue to do so).

-Theo

Looks both of you moved to 1014!! Sweet! Saw on the pdga tour ratings board and looks like Keith is 15th and your 18th. Sweet!!

why arent the points bonanzas on this update

Just curious as to why none of the tourneys played in NC in June show up in the new ratings...... Yet there are a number of other tournaments played elsewhere in June (and even a few from July) that did make the ratings. All but one of the NC tournaments had scores posted almost immediately after the events ended, so the results should have been included.

Of course on the bright side...... I can wait a few more months before my ratings drop :)

aRE Dee

can you please tell me the order that people are being updated? People above my PDGA # and my current rating are updated and I am still stuck with my Feb. rating. Thank You.

:(
come on guys, I sooo tired of being at 880 :(

I hope I get updated during the night so I will have a nice surprise when I get to work in the morning! (like 920-930 would be delightful).

mike jo and Barge, if you want "real" answers to your questions you might have to "send them to the PDGA office via the pdga.com feedback page".

But it is *very* likely that these tournaments are not in the ratings because either A) the TD report was not received, or B) the course config info was not complete or accurate. Note that the next-day posting of results is unofficial. The TD must submit the full tournament report in order for official results to be posted and processed.

kielar, if you post your name or pdga#, I could look into why your rating didn't change.

Ryan, you only have one new event, and it wasn't processed. I don't know why it wasn't processed, but it is under investigation by the Committee.

Nice move, Theo, ya passed me :p ;) Well, at least I didn't drop any, hanging in there at 911. So the ratings are current on the worlds entry list right? If so, and they appear to be, I'm in the middle of the pack as far as ratings go. Guess my next event will be Worlds, (if the TD can get it sanctioned) so I better shoot some good rounds for my next update! :DI suppose our next local PDGA won't count in the next update since the event will be in October. Thanks for your work. Russ3523

I only dropped 2 points which is better than I thought, still it's going to be tough to hit my goal of 980 with only 2 more updates this year. I'll have to shoot 1000 golf more often than not...

It's amazing to think that it is just a matter of cutting out 3 strokes on a course with an SSA of 52.5 for a 971 golfer to shoot 1000 golf.

last name is Kielar and my number is 23570. Could you also tell my why Click #23542 is not updated either.

last name is Kielar and my number is 23570. Could you also tell my why Click #23542 is not updated either.



It looks like in the two tournaments you played this year, the Intermediate division played a different course config than the other divisions (or at least it looks like it was reported that way). So I would guess that the Int division didn't have enough rated players in it to generate ratings for the division.

(It takes X players over a Y rating on a particular config in order to generate ratings for that config. I *think* X is 10 and Y is 800, but I'm not 100% sure on that.)

With each update, more and more Int players get ratings, so hopefully even if you play a different config in the future, maybe there will be enough Ints to generate ratings.

(Same deal for Click.)

3 strokes is a lot more than it sounds. If I could only cut out 3 strokes I would be the worlds best disc golfer :D I've been trying to figure out how to do it all year, so when you figure out how to do it, please tell me!!

Make more aces...it is that simple

The higher your rating the tougher to do Chris. But if I find it I'll share it with everyone.

Never miss a putt within 100'

That should be good for a couple of strokes. :D

Ryan, you only have one new event, and it wasn't processed. I don't know why it wasn't processed, but it is under investigation by the Committee.



Rodney,
Thank you for the personalized attention, I appreciate it greatly. I am wondering though, why I only have one new tournament. The Lakefront Open was after the last ratings rollout, so I am guessing that is the tourney you are referring to. However, I have also played in the San Diego Open (way back in may), and in Progress (NW amateur series tourney) in June.

The results for the San Diego Open haven't been added to the Tour page, so I am guessing Dave Devine probably hasn't even sent them to you, but the Progress results have been available for about a month.
I know the TDs can be a big stopping block, so if the SDO and Progress aren't available, there is nothing for me to gripe about, but it would be wonderful to have all three in my cache :D.

Thanks,
ryan

Here are the ratings leaders and change from last update, in what I hope is an easy-to-read format.

First anyone over 1000, then the top 25 women.

Note that these are current members only.

Anyone 1000+:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td>+/-</td><td>Rating</td><td>+/-</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1039</td><td>+1</td><td>Schultz</td><td>Barry
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>1033</td><td>-4</td><td>Climo</td><td>Ken
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>1025</td><td>-5</td><td>Kallstrom</td><td>Markus
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>+1</td><td>1025</td><td>-3</td><td>Rico</td><td>Steve
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>+2</td><td>1025</td><td>-2</td><td>Todd</td><td>Cameron
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>+5</td><td>1023</td><td>+4</td><td>Randolph</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>-1</td><td>1021</td><td>-2</td><td>Dorius</td><td>Micah
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>+1</td><td>1021</td><td>0</td><td>Jarvis</td><td>Ken
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>+7</td><td>1021</td><td>+3</td><td>McCray</td><td>John E.
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>+1</td><td>1020</td><td>+1</td><td>Haney</td><td>Walter
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>+6</td><td>1020</td><td>+3</td><td>Musick</td><td>Bobby
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>-4</td><td>1019</td><td>-2</td><td>Pursio</td><td>Timo
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>-6</td><td>1019</td><td>-4</td><td>Russell</td><td>Ron
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>0</td><td>1018</td><td>0</td><td>McDaniel</td><td>Stan
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>+10</td><td>1018</td><td>+6</td><td>Nodland</td><td>Darrell
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>+5</td><td>1016</td><td>+3</td><td>Feldberg</td><td>David
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>+1</td><td>1016</td><td>0</td><td>Hammock</td><td>Brad
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>-7</td><td>1015</td><td>-4</td><td>Anthon</td><td>Josh
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>+3</td><td>1015</td><td>+2</td><td>Brinster</td><td>Steve
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>-1</td><td>1015</td><td>-1</td><td>Martin</td><td>Scott
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>-11</td><td>1014</td><td>-6</td><td>Ginnelly</td><td>Dan
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>+13</td><td>1014</td><td>+6</td><td>Heeren</td><td>Chris
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>0</td><td>1014</td><td>+1</td><td>Leonard</td><td>Larry
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>-4</td><td>1014</td><td>-2</td><td>Schweberger</td><td>Brian
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>+20</td><td>1014</td><td>+9</td><td>Warren</td><td>Keith
</td></tr><tr><td>26</td><td>+4</td><td>1013</td><td>+3</td><td>McCoy</td><td>Kevin
</td></tr><tr><td>26</td><td>-6</td><td>1013</td><td>-2</td><td>Moser</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>28</td><td>-2</td><td>1012</td><td>+1</td><td>Pelg</td><td>Carlo
</td></tr><tr><td>29</td><td>+20</td><td>1011</td><td>+8</td><td>Doss</td><td>Nate
</td></tr><tr><td>30</td><td>-6</td><td>1010</td><td>-2</td><td>Gill</td><td>Timmy
</td></tr><tr><td>30</td><td>-4</td><td>1010</td><td>-1</td><td>Sinclair</td><td>Shawn
</td></tr><tr><td>30</td><td>-4</td><td>1010</td><td>-1</td><td>Wisecup</td><td>Steve Cup
</td></tr><tr><td>33</td><td>-1</td><td>1009</td><td>0</td><td>Oates</td><td>Jim
</td></tr><tr><td>33</td><td>+16</td><td>1009</td><td>+6</td><td>Tannock</td><td>Dean
</td></tr><tr><td>35</td><td>-5</td><td>1008</td><td>-2</td><td>Branch</td><td>Todd
</td></tr><tr><td>35</td><td>+6</td><td>1008</td><td>+3</td><td>Gangloff</td><td>Craig
</td></tr><tr><td>35</td><td>+14</td><td>1008</td><td>+5</td><td>Pitts</td><td>Patrick
</td></tr><tr><td>35</td><td>+6</td><td>1008</td><td>+3</td><td>Wield</td><td>Aaron
</td></tr><tr><td>39</td><td>-3</td><td>1007</td><td>0</td><td>Smith</td><td>George
</td></tr><tr><td>40</td><td>-2</td><td>1006</td><td>0</td><td>Grider</td><td>Nolan
</td></tr><tr><td>40</td><td>+29</td><td>1006</td><td>+6</td><td>McCabe</td><td>Eric
</td></tr><tr><td>42</td><td>-8</td><td>1005</td><td>-3</td><td>Lissaman</td><td>Geoff
</td></tr><tr><td>43</td><td>+15</td><td>1004</td><td>+2</td><td>Gregory</td><td>John
</td></tr><tr><td>43</td><td>+3</td><td>1004</td><td>0</td><td>Hampton</td><td>Harold
</td></tr><tr><td>43</td><td>+15</td><td>1004</td><td>+2</td><td>Harris</td><td>LaRon
</td></tr><tr><td>43</td><td>+3</td><td>1004</td><td>0</td><td>Herm</td><td>Jason
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>+2</td><td>1003</td><td>0</td><td>Kowalski</td><td>Javier
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>-15</td><td>1003</td><td>-6</td><td>McRee</td><td>Brian
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>+2</td><td>1003</td><td>0</td><td>Orrick</td><td>Kris
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>-9</td><td>1003</td><td>-3</td><td>Schack</td><td>Al
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>+38</td><td>1003</td><td>+6</td><td>Vesala</td><td>Tommi
</td></tr><tr><td>47</td><td>-9</td><td>1003</td><td>-3</td><td>Vitale</td><td>Patrick
</td></tr><tr><td>53</td><td>+70</td><td>1002</td><td>+10</td><td>Middlecamp</td><td>Peter
</td></tr><tr><td>53</td><td>-12</td><td>1002</td><td>-3</td><td>Watson</td><td>Jeff
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+21</td><td>1001</td><td>+2</td><td>Ashby</td><td>Sonny
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+30</td><td>1001</td><td>+4</td><td>Burde</td><td>Ed
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>-6</td><td>1001</td><td>-2</td><td>McClellan</td><td>Mitch
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+14</td><td>1001</td><td>+1</td><td>Mokkelgjerd</td><td>Espen
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>-19</td><td>1001</td><td>-6</td><td>Myers</td><td>Jim No Spin
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+8</td><td>1001</td><td>0</td><td>Orum</td><td>Matthew
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+8</td><td>1001</td><td>0</td><td>Owston</td><td>Tim TicTac
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+14</td><td>1001</td><td>+1</td><td>Raley</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+8</td><td>1001</td><td>0</td><td>Tracy</td><td>Eric
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+39</td><td>1001</td><td>+5</td><td>Vilmorin</td><td>Chris
</td></tr><tr><td>55</td><td>+21</td><td>1001</td><td>+2</td><td>Worboys</td><td>Bucky
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>+3</td><td>1000</td><td>0</td><td>Fowler</td><td>John
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>-3</td><td>1000</td><td>-1</td><td>Greenwell</td><td>Dave
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>+3</td><td>1000</td><td>0</td><td>Light</td><td>Jason J-Bird
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>-17</td><td>1000</td><td>-3</td><td>Mela</td><td>Joe
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>-17</td><td>1000</td><td>-3</td><td>Skinner</td><td>Brian
</td></tr><tr><td>66</td><td>+35</td><td>1000</td><td>+5</td><td>Williams</td><td>Greg
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>


Top 25 women:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td>+/-</td><td>Rating</td><td>+/-</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>948</td><td>-3</td><td>Korver</td><td>Juliana
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>947</td><td>-2</td><td>Reading</td><td>Des
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>941</td><td>-5</td><td>Lagerholm</td><td>Birgitta
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>936</td><td>-4</td><td>King</td><td>Elaine
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>+1</td><td>934</td><td>+3</td><td>Berlogar</td><td>Carrie
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>-1</td><td>933</td><td>-5</td><td>Herndon</td><td>Lesli
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>0</td><td>928</td><td>+1</td><td>Steele</td><td>Ruth
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>+2</td><td>926</td><td>+11</td><td>Dolan</td><td>Tuffi
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>-1</td><td>924</td><td>-1</td><td>Kreml</td><td>Anni
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>-2</td><td>923</td><td>-2</td><td>Cosgrove</td><td>Nadine
</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>0</td><td>914</td><td>0</td><td>Ross</td><td>Nikki
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>913</td><td>0</td><td>Inami</td><td>Naoko
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>913</td><td>0</td><td>Weidle</td><td>Kristen
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>0</td><td>911</td><td>+1</td><td>White</td><td>Barrett
</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>+3</td><td>907</td><td>+2</td><td>Tschiggfrie</td><td>Angela
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>0</td><td>904</td><td>-4</td><td>Allen</td><td>Jennifer
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>+3</td><td>904</td><td>+2</td><td>Kakimoto</td><td>Chieko
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>-3</td><td>903</td><td>-6</td><td>Renner</td><td>Debbie
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>+1</td><td>902</td><td>+2</td><td>Mansir</td><td>Rachel
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>-3</td><td>901</td><td>-5</td><td>Stephens</td><td>Susan
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>+1</td><td>900</td><td>+1</td><td>Kirkham</td><td>Sheila
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>+2</td><td>900</td><td>+6</td><td>Peavy</td><td>Courtney
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>-1</td><td>900</td><td>0</td><td>Poulin</td><td>Susan
</td></tr><tr><td>24</td><td>+5</td><td>899</td><td>+12</td><td>Jenkins</td><td>Valarie
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>+1</td><td>897</td><td>+9</td><td>Snodgrass</td><td>Mandi
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

And especially for Theo, his ranking among all active members:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td>+/-</td><td>Rating</td><td>+/-</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>2329</td><td>+188</td><td>914</td><td>+5</td><td>Pozzy</td><td>Theo
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

And especially for Theo, his ranking among all active members:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td> +/- </td><td>Rating</td><td> +/- </td><td>Last</td><td> First
</td></tr><tr><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>2329</td><td> +188</td><td> 914</td><td> +5</td><td> Pozzy</td><td> Theo </tr></td></table>



Go Theo! Go Theo! It's your birthday! Yoh Yoh Yoh!