Matt...does the new name mean you've gone all the way Gateway?

The database crashed. Some weird glitch happens that some users get currupted/deleted, and that makes every post of theirs disappear as well as every thread they ever started and all posts that were replies to any post of theirs. It happened to me before.

They can restore it. But you might have to ask.



I think I was deleted because I keep asking about the Temple Open ratings that are screwed up, yet official.

:)


I'm kidding... :)

I'm throwing all gateway but nothing concrete yet. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Are they saving the concrete for their best players?

No they are waiting for me to get stronger so I can carry it on my back like a mule. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The database crashed. Some weird glitch happens that some users get currupted/deleted, and that makes every post of theirs disappear as well as every thread they ever started and all posts that were replies to any post of theirs. It happened to me before.

They can restore it. But you might have to ask.



I think I was deleted because I keep asking about the Temple Open ratings that are screwed up, yet official.

:)


I'm kidding... :)



Are the ratings really screwed up for Temple Open?

Yes. They're also messed up for '03 Coastal Clash. I sent a message informing the powers that be. At Temple MA2, MA3 played shorts. At Chorpus MA3 played shorts.

If y'all'd just quit playing the shorts, you wouldn't be getting into this mess. :D:cool::D

If our SC kept the TD's in line, we wouldn't have this problem either.... :)

That is one thing Jerry needs to keep straight on his TD report for Tyler--the course rotations and layouts... It's hard to tell if the unofficial numbers are set up correctly...

I'm a trying.

No they are waiting for me to get stronger so I can carry it on my back like a mule. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



you mean your school backpack isn't heavy enough to prepare you for that?

I thought so but you should see how big the concrete bags are. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

why is nothing showing up

cuz it aint the 21st yet! comeon pay attention :)

It would be nice if the 2003 Texas ten was corrected from last year. Was told it would be the past 2 ratings , but not yet!

BTW, Roger completed the first pass of the ratings late last night for us to review. We won't tell when they'll be posted between Sunday and Tuesday so we won't interfere with any 'heavy' wagering on what time.



Who's starting the pool as to when they will be published?



My guess is Chuck (under an alternative screen name) :eek: :D

Is there a chance that the ratings will come out tonight?

I'm going to bed - when I wake up I want to see some ratings!!

MTTL, are you sleeping wiTTh TThe fishes while you waiTT for TThe new raTTings?

Happy Holidays! There are no sanctioned events for the next two weekends so it looks like we won't need to post the update until Sunday, Jan 2nd. Anyone have that date in the betting pool?

Well, it's not April Fools so I won't leave anyone hanging. The scoop is the ratings update has been done but it may take until Jan 2nd for the 20MB update to transfer to the server starting tonight over the phone line from where Theo is currently on the road. He'll do his best tonight to find a way to get it transmitted soon.

I have heard of slow b4 but that is just CRAZY :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :eek: ;)

He could always overnite a CD to someone with a high speed connection.

Nooooooo!

I want to be a propogator BEFORE 2005! *sniff*

Pppppppppppplease Theo - find an internet cafe or SOMETHING~.

;)

Happy Holidays!

I just want to see how high in the 930s i get so i know what i need to do to get to 955 by the end of the year /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I want to be a propogator BEFORE 2005! *sniff*



Girlie, Santa says, 'Yes'!

Chuck

Did I hit 945??

Hook a brother up with some info

Did I hit 945??



Someone must have tapped Theo's data stream :)

I guess so.......

Did i get to 935???

Did i get to 935???



Oooo! so close...

Did i reach 960? :confused: :confused:

Did i reach 960?




No cigar. But if you accept cash in pro, you won't be able to play back in Am, even under the new rules.

Well i guess Kimhak didn't get his results in I ripped the courses a new one in those tournies. Oh well there's always the end of year update. :confused: :confused:

Allright Chuck did #4512 stay under 975???

Allright Chuck did #4512 stay under 975???



You could make your trip plans for Highbridge now if the event was held before the mid-Feb ratings update.

Did i get to 935???

Oooo! so close...





DamNN sub 900 rounds :mad:

934???

You need to change your name to I am the Punk :D:D

Cool. No shooting 1000 rated rounds for me between now and May....well at least not during sanctioned PDGA events anyway.

You need to change your name to I am the Punk




Thats funny cuz you have been playing tournaments since 01 and i have been playing them since 03 and your only 2 strokes better then me :eek: So you really have no room to talk ;)

You can call me a punk when you get to 1000 but till then keep it to yourself :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

Here's the funny part I'm 15 :D:D

Here is the funny part. I havent even been playing for 2 years :eek:

If you take my last twelve months rated rounds i'm like 970 /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. By the way how good do you expect a 11 year old to be or 13 year old? :confused: :confused:I also think i can outdrive you

Yeah, Matt can throw 600'. :)

Maybe with the new quarter K

I am just talking smack but expierience counts for A LOT.

Are you going pro???

Not untill I win worlds. No i will go pro in like 3 years :confused: :confused:

So you mean your going to sandbag for 3 years :eek:

There is no rating cut-off and accepting cash could mess woth scholarships :confused: :confused:

What other sports do you play???

So I hit 945 - did I make it to the 50's?

everything football, baseball, basketball, and track :D:D:D

go pro in one of those.

Youll make WAY more money :D

I am a lot better in DG, and anyways it is fun beating up on the old guys in TX. :D:D

I bet :D

Its always fun to do that.
Im lookin forward to another packed schedule this year. Lookin at 35+ sanctioned events and maybe Pro Worlds

hey Chuck did my rating atleast go up
20300

Chuck,
Who is the moderator for the message board? I have reason to believe that someone has posted on the message board that may have stolen some baskets, and if there's any way the moderator could find out any information about who this person is, we might get the baskets back. I think the moderator is Theo...is there a way to contact him?

Chuck,

Did I make it to the 940's?

PDGA # 24099

If you take my last twelve months rated rounds i'm like 970 /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. By the way how good do you expect a 11 year old to be or 13 year old? :confused: :confused:I also think i can outdrive you



Steve Rico WON his first PRO event at 13 :p
:D

Is it worth staying up???

or???

I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. :eek: ;) :)

I bet I didn't go up, or go down /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I bet I didn't go up, or go down



Yep, tied with Gill but 'only' fourth in your state :)

which is higher... 19656 or 19410

19987 is higher

which is higher... 19656 or 19410




The earlier member

19987 is higher than 900

21676

950?

You got your answer upthread

No I asked if I hit 945 - now I'm asking if I'm at 950

how close? if ya dont mind....10

You need to read my response. Your exact answer is there.

21676 or 21325?

later

21676 or 21325?




The last digits of these PDGA numbers are flip flopped in the respective ratings.

wow I'm totally lost now

how close? if ya dont mind....10




At least one throw

Well now this is a little disappointing. Paul will have to wait a little longer for his literary obliteration on the bet thread. :D

did i reach 970?

X in Christmas? are you ok

check that green out....................go to hawaii states....

ive done fairly well this ratings period through 5 events but none with round ratings listed how will this effect my rating? <font color="blue"> </font>

I Just recived word that they are skipping the next 2 ratings due to computer troubles, the next one will be next summer
Merry X-mas all

Is there a chance the ratings will come out soon?

middle digit?

whats mine?
:D:D:D
can't you healp us all?
:D:D:D

i'm i the only one who hopes thier rating drops :D

thats a new word...some healing and helping all together :D

How about a $5 per day discount to all of us who have not paid our yearly membership fees, who were waiting to see if our ratings warranted the renewal?

but it may take until Jan 2nd for the 20MB update to transfer to the server starting tonight over the phone line from where Theo is currently on the road. He'll do his best tonight to find a way to get it transmitted soon.



Did he go to Katmandu? Perhaps Cusco, Peru?

A 20 MB upload via a phone line/dial-up modem? Yeah, nothing could possibley go wrong with that. Corrupted data, broken tables, incomplete data? All possible and likely when you're disconnected (highly probably over a dial-up connection) from your session.

Would have been easier, safer, and more convenient to find the nearest spot in town with a free WiFi access point (they are everywhere these days), connect with his wireless access card, and viola...results uploaded in about 10 minutes.

The PDGA touts "tracked and updated ratings" as a selling point of membership. So, I'd be all in favor of the PDGA spending about $30 for a wireless Ethernet card so the only person with access to the data can upload it in a timely and reliable fashion.

Or, I don't know....maybe the data could be stored on a remote server, rather than on one guy's local machine..that way it could be accessed by someone that has better than a 14.4 baud modem as their interface to the world.

Just some suggestions.

Carry on.

I wish my job were as lenient. I thought that post by Cuck was a joke.

Edit: I forgot the word was volunteer /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Wow everyone wants them now huh.... No biggie here, I haven't played in any events that were sanctioned for this ratings update so mine will not be going up. I will be looking forward to the 2005 updates when a I have a bunch of events under my belt.

thanks for sharing, josh.

Thank you. It's certainly better than listening to people whine about how the ratings aren't out yet. hehe.

Oh I don't know. Listening to you isn't much better. :)

:confused:

I know Josh. I'm just giving him crap.

What the f**k is this s**t. No rules update, now no ratings update. So what am I paying for? This makes me not want to renew my membership now. :mad:

Then don't. It's your money isn't it?

stop whining! cut em some slack! go throw some plastic and calm down.

Not doing a minor rules update saved printing money.

The ratings are not late until midnight Pacific time tonight. I just IM'd with Theo who's in the Eastern time zone so I think/hope we'll see them tonight. He has the file and later will try to locate a high speed connection.

stop whining! cut em some slack! go throw some plastic and calm down.



If it was above FREEZING here in MI i would go throw some plastic, but since its not then i think ill wait for the ratings :D

its called cabin fever theres too much snow to play in some places and its cold. we need some good news

played 5 events but none with round ratings listed how will this effect my rating?

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Ill have to wait and see what happens today. Better?

Later. Don't let your browser hit you in the arse on your way out.

That's the holiday spirit! If you knew why Theo had to rush off to the east coast, you might consider sending good thoughts his way this holiday season instead of...

last digit?

You talkin' to me?

'Cause if you are, I don't know what the heck you are talking about.

I told disctracted that I wouldn't miss him. I would never give any of you a hard time for not publishing ratings on the 15th. Not even this time when I expect mine to go up a bit. And I always wish Theo the best, but if he has some bad news to deal with then I'll make sure I keep him in my thoughts.

So what the heck are you talking about?

Ill have to wait and see what happens today.


Nice job edititing your post and not leaving the "Show as edited" box checked. Go ahead and not renew.

I wanted to repost my firsft thought after reading chucks reply and hoped it would be before anyone read it. So sorry. And if the ratings are delayed because of bad news, then totally understandable. Just let us know whats up.

Like I said, I know he'll try to get the file loaded tonight if at all possible.

geez people, track your own ratings. if your TDs are nort submitting propoerly online, then bust their chops. Chuck has a PersonalRatingsCalculator spreadsheet i'd bet he'd be happy to share - that will help do the tracking for you.

in the meantime, we all want the ratings. but what day they come out doesnt make too much difference, does it? go practice. if theres too much snow then throw your putter at the dog if ya have to :D- then the next ratings update will be even more worth waiting for.

cmon sandalman. sure we can estimate what our own ratings are going to be, but I know that I look forward to spending a couple hours looking up the ratings of everybody else as soon as they come out! :D I'm sure there are many others waiting to do the same.

I bet that Theo hooks us up tonight...While we wait though, I'm guessing I'll be 944 :D...Where will you be (everyone)?

i'm bettin i'm unchanged at 926 unless toolen got VPO am results in.

speaking of those results are they late? He should have had those in awhile ago. Sandalman have you talked to him?

946, that's my guess and I am sticking to it.

As much as I'd like to make 900 this go around I don't think that's going to happen for me.

they were sent old school not online. thats why the results and unofficial ratings never showed up. TT told me he sent the course layouts, but that wasnt until in december, so i think that was too late to get in this time round.

So i'm assuming ratings will be updated next Monday or Tuesday since they won't be up tonight?

Except for your rating. You are being summarily kicked out of the organization for even asking!

So i'm assuming ratings will be updated next Monday or Tuesday since they won't be up tonight?


Appears data is being uploaded as I type :D

How can you tell Prarie?

The ratings are up....Check your profiles :D

Rounds were being shown with Official Ratings before my new rating showed up.

I'm guessing I'll be 944 :D



I didn't really believe myself... :D

WOW! I moved up 1 whole point :o Not quite the 36 points from last ratings update. But with as little as I have played, I'm pretty happy :)

I also went one point. :( I thought U.S. Masters would bring me up more than that!

MTL jumps 8 to 945 :D

Kid Roc falls a lot to 899. :o

i moved up 9 watch out ive moved up + every rating update

Thanks to everyone who put time and effort into the ratings update. You guys do a great job. It was well worth the wait.

EOG

I also want to say thanks to all who volunteer their time to the PDGA ;)

Is it good when your rating goes up 27 points with only 3 tournaments?

Im surprised mine didnt drop with so many 800ish rounds at Worlds (my home courses, which i have beat Sprague on multiple times)...oh wait a couple 1000+ rated rounds werent included because the Cool Weather Classic in October was not included...mid Feb.!!!

I went up 39 points wow..... :eek:

man, I jumped 6 points and I only played 1 tournament, can't complain.

Worth the wait to discover my first 1000 rated round.

I made a HUGE jump. 958 to 959 YAHOO!!

Matt - Do you know anything about the Savannah course??? I'm from there and visit often...going this week as a matter of fact. I'm glad someone finally brought DG to that area, there is some beautiful land down there. I wouldn't have known if I hadn't noticed your attachment at the bottom of your posts...thanks! :D

Mine moved 13 points...... the good way!

It took a full year to get my rating back to what it was before I stopped playing DG (went back to school full time).

Thanks to all who helped with the ratings.

Happy Holidays! :D

MTL jumps 8 to 945 :D



And there's still women who are better than you :o :p

Heh... I'm officially an Advanced player. :)

finishing after injury just because you paid to play does'nt help your ratings.....

where's the VPO??? am AND pro ??? :confused:

also, how come some rounds do not have "show ratings" available ?

Ouch, that might leave a mark. ;) :D :eek:

where's the VPO??? am AND pro ???



VPO Pro was processed either by Roger or Rodney. There may have been some problem with the report. We hope to have all of those resolved before the official 2004 yearend ratings update in mid-Feb.

If not all round ratings show up, there may not have been enough propagators for that layout or there was a problem processing the TD report. We've got VPO on the list to check. Any others that show the results as "Official" but don't have ratings (Doubles and most X-tiers don't get ratings)

Sweet, I can offically play Advanced again! That means I suck.

Lots of players are solid contenders for the new Mid-Nationals major in 2005, especially pros under 955 who can't play at Flagstaff... www.midnationals.com (http://www.midnationals.com)

I'm happy to get my first player rating, makes my pdga membership worth it.

I'm happy to get my first player rating, makes my pdga membership worth it.



And a nice rating it is at 956...... putting you as the #5 rated Am in NC..... Based on the fact that 3 of those above you (David Gray, Justin Jablonski & Bryan Oshnock) and one behind you (J Land) are now playing pro..... get ready to hear all the chants of "move up".... :D

Sweet, I can offically play Advanced again! That means I suck.



me too,me too :D:D:D
929 and dropping :o:eek: :D

I'm happy to get my first player rating, makes my pdga membership worth it.



And a nice rating it is at 956...... putting you as the #5 rated Am in NC..... Based on the fact that 3 of those above you (David Gray, Justin Jablonski & Bryan Oshnock) and one behind you (J Land) are now playing pro..... get ready to hear all the chants of "move up".... :D



yeah i was told i should want a low rating, b/c with the rating i got im going to be called a bagger :confused:

Sweet, I can offically play Advanced again! That means I suck.



me too,me too :D:D:D
929 and dropping :o:eek: :D
11 lbs. :eek: i mean points,i'm the biggest loser :p

Well let me be the first.

BAGGER! :D

Holy Crap!! It's clear that I have no idea how ratings work. I thought that I might go down a bit, but I appear to have broken 950. THANK YOU THEO-CLAUS AND CHUCK THE ELF!!! It's a Christmas dream come true! :D

YES!!! Finally a 1000+ round that can't be readjusted like my last one was. I guess I need a few more though. Scratching and clawing my way up.

I think they forgot to update my rating, it hasn't changed in the last 3 updates :(

Question:

I was told that the Lakefront Open would be added in these updates. It wasn't. Is there a reason? Was it accidently omitted?

I was wondering what is the rating range for int, adv, and pro? and the color? as I have the list just show the color and rating number, but it didnt show what div. of pro, adv, int, or rec?? thanks. :D

Question:

I was told that the Lakefront Open would be added in these updates. It wasn't. Is there a reason? Was it accidently omitted?



same here with Outlaws Singles Shootout (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4239#Advanced) in Round Rock, TX.

just like my rating from the last tourment at wimberly, I had a nice rating number, it was not inculing, grrrr.

If not all round ratings show up, there may not have been enough propagators for that layout or there was a problem processing the TD report. We've got VPO on the list to check. Any others that show the results as "Official" but don't have ratings (Doubles and most X-tiers don't get ratings)



::dead horse mode on::
Building on that point, it looks like the Temple Open had the ratings stripped from Int and Rec, but not recalculated for any divisions. I still find it hard to believe an open player can shoot a 963 event and win, especially when 4 of the top 5 are rated 980+.
::dead horse mode off::

Thanks for the work. I understand it can be hard to decipher and straighten out TD reports and layouts. This may be a case of not believing the numbers, but with the initial problems I want to be sure. Accuracy is important, right?

same here with Outlaws Singles Shootout (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4239#Advanced) in Round Rock, TX.



The Outlaws report was a little messed up because the original didn't include those who missed the cut (like me). Not that I want that 829 round that is coming, but....

but....



:D

but i need my 998 rated round. :cool:

Only moved up 4, because I have an 990+ round from October not included in the update.

Chuck- What's the deal with the CNY Championships from late October? Did they never send the results in, or is it something else? I really want that round to be added to my rating.

but....



:D

but i need my 998 rated round. :cool:




Yes, yes you do. Who actually shot that round? Not the Tasker I know. :)

I think Chuck and folks said it will be included for the Final 2004 ratings in February. They got the corrected TD report earlier this month.

They left off the VPO pro also.
:confused:

Thanks Ratings Guys! Sorry I couldn't help, again...

Tony and Tasker,

Where are you guys coming up with those ratings?

they posted em for a little while. they are gone, now.

When no TD report has been received, but scores submitted, simple ratings show up. (This is where Martin saw his 998 round.)
When the TD report is submitted, those ratings disappear to the database so the actual ratings can be processed and checked. From what Chuck says, the simple ratings are usually close.

Since I was never on the first TD report (as it left off cut players), I was able to compare my scores to others and calculate that I shot a simple rating of 931 in Round 1. Round 3 was a wonderful 829. :o

The new TD report includes (I hope) all players and will result in ratings for all.

Thanks a lot guys keep ut the awesome work. :D

yeah i was told i should want a low rating, b/c with the rating i got im going to be called a bagger :confused:



Better get used to it...... Your rating is 11 points higher than MTL's and you know what everybody has been saying to (and about) him :D

I know where you're coming from though since my first PDGA rating came out earlier this year as a 975. Now it only included one tournament.... on my home courses in Durham..... and included a round where I beat my PR by 3 strokes with a 13 down.... but I definitely didn't think I had the game of a 975 rated player. Fortunately each rating since then has included many more rounds and my rating continues to drop. Once that tournament from Nov 1993 drops off on the next ratings update, my rating should drop even more.... If I keep it up, I can move back and play advanced masters ;)

jack smalls is not a bagger.

he's played three pdgas in advanced for christs sake.

congrats on the high rating bro

I also want to say thanks to all who volunteer their time to the PDGA ;)



Your Welcome :D

Everybody that plays disc golf is a bagger.

Everybody that plays disc golf is a bagger.



I am not a bagger

HUH???

Everybody that plays disc golf is a bagger.



Except for those of us that are "Carters." And I don't mean Jimmy.

Everybody that plays disc golf is a bagger.



I am not a bagger



Did you finally move back up from Advanced? :D

that took long enough :) nope, I actually plan on moving down to AmII next year

Are they making the Chris Heeren rule?: SuperPros are allowed to seek out tougher competition in the division 100 pts under their rating if the pro field looks too easy.

Or are you just going to stick to Am2 in non- sanctioned events?

Hey, I like that rule! :)
P.S. it was true, the next highest rated player there was in advanced, not open, so I did actually play in the harder division . . . right?!?

that took long enough :) nope, I actually plan on moving down to AmII next year



Glad to hear it Chris. I hope to take you on at Idlewild next year. I shot my personal best from the longs last week (65) and that included choking on hole 18 (with a bogey 6) because I knew how well I was shooting... I figure if you drop your game down about 40 points and I raise mine the same amount you could be in for some trouble :D

Question

my rating went up 6 points.

Not that I am complaning or anything, I was just wondering how my last rating update shows 19 rounds and my new rating is based on just 6 rounds.

I expected my rating to go up because I actually had 2 good rounds at the Texas 10 finals. Including my highest rated round ever.

you've played 1 tournament a year for the last 3 years.

One is beTTer than none.

Very true Schweb!!

indubitably

ALL names have been turned in for OUTLAWS and the players that were cut will get to see their outstanding rated rounds

Why are ratings not listed for the juniors who played in the Texas State Championship tournament? The juniors played from the same tees as everyone else. My daughter (Nicole Cazares) played one of her best rounds that day.

Thanks.........Rick

Why are ratings not listed for the juniors who played in the Texas State Championship tournament? The juniors played from the same tees as everyone else. My daughter (Nicole Cazares) played one of her best rounds that day.

Thanks.........Rick



The TD report says the juniors played from different tees than everyone else, which is why they were dropped from the Ratings.

Roger,

Thanks for the reply. The juniors played from the same tees as everyone else. However in the 1st round they skipped around playing holes from different courses. In the 2nd round they played holes 9 thur 26 (18 holes) of a 27 hole course. Many of the holes they played where in the 400 to 600 foot range.

I posted the following question to the TD on 10/28/04:
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Are the junior ratings correct? I thought the course played by the juniors was harder on Sunday than on Saturday. I also thought that Nicole played a little better on Sunday than Saturday, yet the her rating was lower on Sunday. All the junior ratings were lower on Sunday. So I was just wondering if the ratings were correct.

Thanks.........Rick
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The TD responsed:
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The Junior ratings aren't correct Rick...I haven't quite figured out how to set up the courses that they played...they played full holes but a mixture of courses. I may have to drop them from the results for now and let the stats guys figure it out when I turn the in official results.
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Is there any way to get the ratings for Nicole calculated for this tournament?

Thanks..........Rick

up 4 points!! with some crappy [*****] rounds!!

Go up two and get passed up by 3 in TX that sucks. Oh well there is always the end of year update in Feb. :confused: :confused:

The question is,
My Rating before this rating update included 19 rounds.

My rating after this update only included 6 rounds.

My rating only moved up 5 points from 945 to 950

The question is,
My Rating before this rating update included 19 rounds.

My rating after this update only included 6 rounds.

My rating only moved up 5 points from 945 to 950


I don't see a question in there.

Why was my 945 rating with 19 rounds and then the new ratings only took in my last 6 rounds giving me a 950???

The question is why were 15 rounds dropped off for my new rating????

I was under the impression that they drop rounds ever update to keep them current.

Why was my 945 rating with 19 rounds and then the new ratings only took in my last 6 rounds giving me a 950???

The question is why were 15 rounds dropped off for my new rating????

Rounds drop off when they get two years old. They are showing that you only played three tournaments in the last couple of years.

those dropped rounds were prolly older than 16-Nov-2002. if so, they were older than 2 years from the date of your most recent rated round, and therefore are not part of the rating calculation (anymore).

It looks like two years is the cutoff. Everything older than 2 years from your last rated event was dropped.

quick thinking there Gary :)

I thought they used your last 20 rounds or something like that. I have only played one PDGA tournament per year for the last 3 years. (I have run more than played)

I am hoping to play Grapevine next weekend.

The question is, should I play Pro, or sandbag in Advance (it has been 6 years sense the last time I played Advanced)

they do use 20, as long as the most recent 20 are less than 2 years old. but nothing older than 2 years gets included no matter what.

if you wait 30 minutes, gary will prolly come on and post the same thing :)

But here is the kicker,

The last 3 PDGA tournaments I have played were

Texas 10 finals in 2002 (Nov 12th)
Maceman Midweek 2003
Texas 10 finals in 2004 (Nov 14th)

There are 2 years between my oldest rated round and my newest rated round.

in other words, 2 of the rounds used for my rating are 25 months (or 2 years, 1 month) old.

yes, it seems according to the letter of the law, those 2002 rounds should not have been included

But here is the kicker,

The last 3 PDGA tournaments I have played were

Texas 10 finals in 2002 (Nov 12th)
Maceman Midweek 2003
Texas 10 finals in 2004 (Nov 14th)

There are 2 years between my oldest rated round and my newest rated round.

in other words, 2 of the rounds used for my rating are 25 months (or 2 years, 1 month) old.



I am seeing the dates like this:

Texas 10 finals in 2002 (Nov 16th)
Maceman Midweek 2003
Texas 10 finals in 2004 (Nov 14th)

From Nov-16-2002 thru Nov-14-2004 is less than 2 years. I don't see the problem here.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/player_ratings_detail.php?PDGANum=5380&year=2004

Ah, never said I was perfect. I had the date wrong on the 2002 Texas 10's.

But it was still over 2 years ago when the ratings were published.

The 2 year limit starts at the date of your last rated event, not the date the ratings were done.

i dont get it. i have only played 3 pdga tournaments. my first ever was the masters cup. my rating was an 896. not bad for my first tourny but not good either. my second tournament was the san francisco safari. i played about the same and my rating held at 896. my last tournie was the san francisco full sail bay series. i shot two 900+ rounds and in the updated player ratings my average dropped from 896 to 890?!?
what gives?
Chris

Your first 2 ratings only included the Masters cup.
I know this because your ratings history shows that the September ratings only used 3 rounds.

Also because if the second event had been included, your rating would have dropped to 878.

Your good rounds in the last event brought your rating back up to 890.

uh uh. i did the math. all of my rounds added up divided by the number of rounds played is 896.4 something. i know its lousy but its only going to be 6 points harder to break 900 if i let it go unnoticed.
later
Chris

never mind...technical difficulties...im dyslexic... :D

Before the "are we there yet?" crowd gets on here, the mid-Feb ratings update, which will be considered the Final 2004 ratings, will be posted sometime between this coming Sunday evening and Tuesday evening. Roger has processed the final batches and we'll be in the process of reviewing them the next few days. Even if you don't have an event processed since the December update, it's possible your rating might have changed a point or two. We went back and reprocessed several events that did not have the minimum 10 propagators and dropped the number to 5 so they could get ratings. So, some smaller events and smaller divisions may discover thay have some new round ratings in this update.

In addition, a Taiwanese and several Japanese events were rated this time so we welcome players outside North America who now have new or updated PDGA Player Ratings. No 2005 events are in this rating update. The first update to include 2005 events and use our revised process will be mid-May.

Chuck...

I renewed my PDGA last weekend at the Buckhorn Open. Will I get an updated rating since it is likely that my renewal form won't be there by the mid-Feb update?

I did get my soft card until my form does get turned in and info processed.

If players were members last year, there's a time lag about 6 weeks into the next year where the website shows you as a member. We process ratings for everyone if they have a PDGA number on the TD reports regardless whether they are current members. However, if you are not a current member, then your info won't be visible online. As soon as you renew, then your info becomes visible online.

The direct answer is, "I don't know whether your info will be live the day it's posted. But it should be soon thereafter."

The Ratings say they are updated but if I go into a player's rating it still says it "(as of Dec. 15 2004)" and it doesnt appear that ratings have changed...at least I havent noticed any changes.

Also on another note, The 2005 Willamette open had an error in the scores for one round when it was reported to the PDGA. The error showed that the highest rated player at the event shot 2 strokes better than he acctually did, the problem has been corrected but the ratings werent recalculated this players rating was just moved down. In my understanding the scores of the best player at the event have something to do with the SSA of the course for that round. Just wondering how that works. Thanks.

The reason why your rating date says Dec. 15th is because it didn't change. They went back to some of the older tournies that didn't have 10 propagators and rated them based on 5 propagators.

Facts from 2004 season:

7555 PDGA members had rated rounds
5686 (75%) had ratings based on at least 8 rounds (propagators if rating over 799)
588 (8%) had ratings based on at least 32 rounds (before 15% dropped)

15.7 = average number of rounds upon which a rating is based
15 = median number of rounds upon which a rating is based

799 is the cutoff for being a gator? Ugh. That screws up the am women.

I agree. That's why we'll be looking into the ramifications of extending propagator status to lower ratings levels, if it's possible or how to make it work, once the revised overall process is in place this May. We've already seen the issue where a lower rated pool seems to generate slightly different ratings than a higher rated pool. That's partly because the overall function is non-linear in the first place. But it's definitely a goal to see what we can do so our lower rated players have more opportunities to get rated rounds.

Chuck, from a perspective of wanting to improve my rating, would playing Advanced at the Bowling Green AM tournament in all likelihood be a better move than playing Advanced masters, or is it too hard to say? (let's assume I play the same score regardless of division).

In theory, there shouldn't be a difference. If you believe some of the speculation, you might get a slightly higher rating by playing in the pool that has a higher average rating under the current process. However, BG will be rated under the new system which should minimize or eliminate this unconfirmed effect. It's also not certain BG will get processed in time for the mid-May update if the TD doesn't get the report done in time. It takes longer to process this huge event manually like a Worlds because of multiple pools playing different courses at the same time.

With multiple Advanced pools there, it's unclear whether your Adv pool average would be higher than the Adv Master pool so I would play where you want.

Rob
Play ADV!
I want my payout bigger ;)

799 is the cutoff for being a gator? Ugh. That screws up the am women.

...so, is it 8 'Gators, each 799+?

Might as well have ALL short tees for all the sub-Juniors and Rec., and possibly Int. and even Adv. Women, if they don't figure to figure in the mix...right right? :confused:

Starting in the second half of 2004, we dropped the number of gators to at least 5 (it was 10). It takes 8 rated rounds to become a gator.

With multiple Advanced pools there, it's unclear whether your Adv pool average would be higher than the Adv Master pool so I would play where you want.



Chuck, if you are saying it will be my level of play rather than some crafty decision on my part to play amongst the most advantageous pool that will make or break my rating -- i am afraid that's totally unacceptable :p :D

Yes Rob, I agree. I think it is a conspiracy on Chucks part to keep us down. I have played WAY over my rating consistantly for the past 6 months, (only playing 1 year), and my rating does not show it. The only good thing about it, is that people under estimate me. :cool:

Im looking for 2 things and a wondering if anyone can help:
There is a template around (Excell) that one can use to help figure out round ratings for a given event, if anyone can forward that address it would be great.
And also if anyone knows the formula for the ratings and could tell me that would be great. (In algebraic form), or point me to where I can see it
thx
GR

Chuck, when is the next Update?

Im looking for 2 things and a wondering if anyone can help:
There is a template around (Excell) that one can use to help figure out round ratings for a given event, if anyone can forward that address it would be great.



All your ratings answers lie here (http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/index.php).

--Josh

Chuck, when is the next Update?



mid-May. Looking at the calendar, I'm estimating Monday, May 23rd since the 15th is on a Sunday.

Thanks Chuckles.

And here all this time I was going by the ratings guide for 04 that I linked to from the PDGA home page that told me
In 2004, current PDGA members can expect to see their player ratings updated and posted at www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com) on
or about April 15th, June 15th, September 15th and December 15th.



All excited to see my rating jump, but I guess I gotta wait another month :( Ah well, so it goes I guess. At least this way there will be more tournies included in the first update. :)

We've been on the Feb, May, Jul, Sep, Dec cycle for two years now but it sometimes takes me longer to get the webmaster to change all info pages on the PDGA site. But it has been correct for over a year on the very first line of the Ratings Documents listing on this site:
http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/index.php

RATINGS? we dont need no stiiiinking ratings! Just discgolf holmes....

When is/was the deadline for the May update?

Chuck- what is the current minimum amount of rated players for rounds to get rated? The tournament I'm curious about is this one:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5252

The unofficial ratings aren't listed for the divisions that played the short tees. Will they get round ratings eventually?

Was this changed because unofficial ratings were often screwed up by different divisions playing different tees?

The minimum number of propagators has been set at 5 since last September and will continue. However, the online display is still set at the 10 minimum. Theo is going to try and find where that number is in the software to change it to 5 but he didn't write it so it may take a while.

May 23rd for next update being posted.

May 23rd for next update being posted.



I'd call that late May, not mid May.

I knew that date, I was wondering when do TD reports have to be submitted by to be included in the mid/late-may update?

The timing is based around when the 15th occurs. The posting has been set between the first full Sunday evening thru Tuesday evening period following the 15th for the past two years. The 15th is Sunday, so the the posting will be between the following Sunday and Tuesday, May 22-24.

It's whatever reports Gentry can fully process with no omissions or problems by next Wednesday.

Did anybody look at the ratings for Bowling Green NT? They look off to me, would Al Schack being put in as a 879 have anything to do with that? PS I still suck at that tournament.

Did anybody look at the ratings for Bowling Green NT? They look off to me, would Al Schack being put in as a 879 have anything to do with that? PS I still suck at that tournament.



I would say that would throw the ratings WAY OFF!!!! I have seen alot of this happening at tournaments. Matt Blakely was entered in a tournament as a 800 rated player and that threw the ratings off at another tournament.

I need to start playing rated rounds with the pros. That way my 989 rounds will be 1009. For whatever reason I just cant seem to shoot break 990 in a tournament round :mad:

I calculated the BG ratings and I shot a 1001 1013 975 975, I think it actually listed me as 1013 1001 950's and 980's eitherway the 1st and 3rd rounds where lower ratings than they should have been, and the 2nd and 4th were too high.

Chuck:
Have the results for the Graceland Open and J&B Rolling Hills Doubles (April 24th and 25th) been submitted yet? If not, how long do they have to get them in? Thanks for all the hard work!!

Chuck is it too early to ask you our "one question/guess" for our ratings?

If not, did mine go up? I would figure it out myself but I don't know the new formula.