Hey Ryan,

Preliminary results uploaded during or immediately following an event are not considered for points and ratings updates until the tournament director turns in the complete TD Report.

- Steve

Thanks Steve,
I was kinda starting to figure that when I saw where it said "unofficial results".

Dang.

That is kinda strange since my two are WI tour tournaments. So I'm stuck at this rating until the next up date?

WAHOO moved up a WHOLE point. :D

958. You suck. ;)

I remember having that rating. :( ;)

That is kinda strange since my two are WI tour tournaments. So I'm stuck at this rating until the next up date?



Yes, I'm afraid you're stuck with that rating until you play in a tournament where your division plays on a config that has enough players to generate ratings.

If the Int division has enough 800+ players, or if Int plays the same config as everyone else, you'll be in good shape.

cool +11 points :D:D

thanks James I noticed you can only cash in Masters!! hmmm :D

thanks James I noticed you can only cash in Masters!! hmmm :D



It beats last place cash or nuttin' in Open...

thanks James I noticed you can only cash in Masters!! hmmm :D



It beats last place cash or nuttin' in Open...



Ware, you set yourself up for that one.

Hey Nick it appears my Nuttin adds up to more than your nuttin does!! :o

which BELIEVE me is NUTTIN to BRAG ABOUT

Well it looks like I still suck!!! :o

Where did you get the idea that you oops I almost did some smack. Sorry Bill. You are a great person.

Actually Chris our nuttin's are exactly the same of my nuttin's only you have more of them. My sometin's are a little less than your sometin's, but my little sometin's come more often and against better players than your sometin's. Now that has to account for sometin!

You got sometin' to add to that nuttin'?

I am curious why the 9th Farm Life Open was not included in the update? I did the online results myself, and the TD said he sent in the official TD report about 3 days before I ever did the online results. The tournament was Jun. 5-6 if someone wants to check into this.

For faster (more meaningful) responses to your questions please send them to the PDGA Ratings Committee via the "Contact" link here at PDGA.com. This will send an email directly to the PDGA Ratings Committee members. I know that they are looking into many of these issues as we post here, it would just speed things up a bit.

I noticed that in one of the tournaments i played in (Des Moines Challenge), my scores were switched for the courses i played, giving me an 802 on one and a 1047 for the other. Will this affect my real rating at all or would it even out if the scores were correct with the courses?

I would say take the 1047 it looks a lot better! :D

I noticed that in one of the tournaments i played in (Des Moines Challenge), my scores were switched for the courses i played, giving me an 802 on one and a 1047 for the other. Will this affect my real rating at all or would it even out if the scores were correct with the courses?



We noticed the suspect 1047 round just before the ratings were published, but didn't hold them up as it appeared to be a problem with only your score. We didn't know what the problem was.

If your scores had been reported correctly, it looks like your rating would be about 932 instead of 927.

Make sure you report it to the PDGA Office through the feedback page, and it will get corrected before the next update.

I have played 11 PDGA's since Bowling Green and none of them were updated. Somehow my rating went down 1 point even though no new rounds were added.

maybe they saw your rounds at the winter open and decided your rating should be even lower /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

They must have found out you're a lefty. :D

Caleb welcome to what the PDGA call's RATINGS ..

It has been mentioned here and elsewhere that sometimes, even with no new round data, that PDGA Player Ratings will be adjusted according to either refinement of the formulas that generate the Player Rating or corrections to the actually data already received (i.e. corrections to layouts played by each division, removal of an aberrant score or two, etc).

So even without new rounds played in the calculations your PDGA Player Rating might change.

The first place to check for missing rounds within your PDGA Player Rating is the TD who ran the event. Ask if the have sent in the results. Then ask if they filled out the TD Report COMPLETELY particularly the sections necessary to generate accurate PDGA Player Ratings.

Nick,
gotta ask you a question...you always have an answer...

Now I read that the SSA is 4-6 strokes above course record for 18 holes http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/PRWCPbro.PDF Course record past weekend at the Jam was 58 for 22 holes. Your calculations put the SSA at roughly 60 that is for 22 holes, right?

Now we played 22 holes last year, and the PDGA website gives about a 58.5 for the course. But they indicate it is only for 18 holes...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_tournament.php?TournID=3712

Me confused

Rob,

"18" holes is an error. This could be the cause of the difference. This would tend to deflate the Event Ratings (meaning players ERs should probably been more divergent from the SSA - a player with a 1030 ER probably should have a 1040 ER and so on).

That 4-6 strokes better than SSA is likely for more established courses were many 1000+ golfers have played it more than once. If you look at the prior years scores which (other than the added OB lines) played much the same as this years the best round was 55, 5 less than the SSA of 60.

(For whatever reason all of the OB lines didn't make that much of a difference, about 1 stroke for both rounds.)

Temple Open Ratings (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4100&year=2004&include_ratings=1#Open)

I don't think these are right. It looks like the Intermediate and Recreational divisons weren't flagged as playing the short tees on the 10 holes that had them.

wow you mean some of these ratings could be WRONG .. :) get out of here

Just trying to get your rating up more than a point per update. ;)

no worries T bender I am sure i brought it right back down with those 2 solid rounds on the PP course at LO. Killed the long course :D

I don't think you're allowed to call it a PP course if you can't make it look like that on the scorecard. ;)

I learned something new (its not new, its just new that I figured it out) on the online tourney program yesterday when posting scores.

I essentially plugged in 5 different course layouts to make sure that all divisions look correct and accurate ratings were posted. I can tell Psycho how to do this and it should take care of the problem. :)

Cool. You may have to change you sig line afterwards. The +20 might go up.

+20 Pts. and climbing. My rating and my stock are both rising.





And don't forget about your hemline (http://www.menoutloud.com/98ww02.jpg) ! :D

Now that's a picture that shows too much skin. :D

Not to start a nagging thread, but I was just curious when we can tentatively expect the next rating update. The reason I am asking is because the "ratings guide" says they will be updated Apr 15th, June 15, Sept 15, and Dec 15. The June 15 one came on July 20. So, basically what I am asking is will there be another delay, or will be be able to expect the next update to arrive close to September 15th? Just curious.. not trying to nagg.

Make sure to update whatever document you got those dates from, but for the past two years the updates are five times a year in mid-Feb, mid-May, mid-July, mid-Sep and mid-Dec. That doesn't mean the 15th if it falls on a Wednesday thru Sunday. We like to post them early in the week on Monday or Tuesday so TDs and players have time to adjust if divisions change for an event the upcoming weekend.

When will we get the ratings for the rounds at Worlds?

It's complicated with all of the pools but I believe we're trying to get Worlds in the upcoming mid-Sep update.

Awesome keep up the good work guys.

aaahhh new ratings!!!!

Chuck, will MSDGC be in the update? I haven't seen the ratings for the event yet, results yes, ratings no. Thanks. :D

I don't know. I haven't seen the batch file yet and the cutoff date. If Guru got it within a few days of the event, it might make it. The Worlds is the big one to process for this update.

When is the next update planned anyways? I really hope not for awhile, I don't want to see my rating drop :(
P.S. Keith Warrens rating is going to skyrocket, I bet he makes top 10 in the next update my guess . . . 1021

Watch for Tyler Horne's rating to take a HUGE leap, if not now, soon. :D

Assuming all goes well, Theo hopes to post on schedule around Sunday or Monday night, Sep 19-20.

1 more week!

Theo, Rodney, Nick and I are busy processing about 80 events, with Worlds having enough rounds equal to about 60 C-tiers. Then, Roger crunches all these numbers for the update.

any chance you can leave the WVO out this time (and next for that matter)?

Nice try! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So Chuck, did your last post mean you guys were on pace, and the update is on schedule, or... you have a ton to do, and may be a tad late? Just checking..

No reason yet to think we're behind schedule.

Chuck do you know if the Flying Pig (Aug. 28/29) will be included?

It doesn't look like it. I didn't see any events on the list with dates after the weekend of Aug 21st except Marshall Street.

ouch. oh well i'll have to look forward to Nov. or Dec. and also try to get some good rounds in between now and then too. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

so probably early next week? no tourneys after late august included...

No reason yet to think we're behind schedule.



Is this still the case? Or should we expect to see the update next week? :D

I though we were supposed to see new ratings by today??? I just want to know if i broke into the high 930s or low 940s.

When do you guys think we will see the new ratings???

Assuming all goes well, Theo hopes to post on schedule around Sunday or Monday night, Sep 19-20.



Tonight maybe...

I spoke to Theo on Thursday and he thought they'd be out Sunday or Monday. But anything might happen at the last hour and then things get delayed for a week. There is a lot of volunteer effort involved where each voluneer's effort is critical to the entire process, so if one guy suddenly has to work overtime at the j-o-b, or his computer breaks down, or he used to live in the path of Hurricane Ivan...

The latest news is the ratings update was done yesterday and being checked ready for posting last night. In the process of checking, everything looked fine. However, we discovered a small batch of events was missed. Theo is trying to speed through those today so these events can be included. It could be done for posting late tonight. But tomorrow night is more likely because Roger "The Cruncher" has a real day job and is in a time zone two hours later than Theo.

There's no real hurry, infact if you guys don't mind, why not just skip this ratings update this week and update them 3 months from now :D no need to change anyones rating!

I want mine to be updated. Its needs all the help it can get

I would prefer y'all wait a week so I don't have to bump anybody (else) up a division because of rating.

Rhett, it is your option to let those who have competed in the series to complete the series in the division that they started in.

Although technically, that policy should have been announced at the beginning of any series.

I did that at the beginning of last year, but not this year.

Put out as soon as you can :D, I just can't wait to see the new ones that's all.
Boobs

Assuming all goes well, Theo hopes to post on schedule around Sunday or Monday night, Sep 19-20.



Tonight maybe...



Tomorrow night maybe...

Assuming all goes well, Theo hopes to post on schedule around Sunday or Monday night, Sep 19-20.



Tonight maybe...



Tomorrow night maybe...



That should be... on or about tomorrow night :D

However, we discovered a small batch of events was missed. Theo is trying to speed through those today so these events can be included.



Is the 6th Zebulon Cha-Ching� and Zing from July included in those events?

God I hope so.

Kirk has said that the only time those results were ever turned in expediently, was when he sent them in.

Roger got the update finished last night and Theo posted it for our committee review. Barring no more issues, Theo should post today sometime. I didn't see Zebulon in the events.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



I'm still a bit skeptical. :mad:

When are you NOT skeptical :D

Oh, I know when I'm not skeptical...um......um....crap I lost it.

:D:D:D

Waiting I am to see where my rating goes - if I cared I guess I would start growing impatient

It's gotta be going up MTL.. you're playing some good golf these days..keep it up. Oh..and you do care.

haha

You can drive over 500' . . . Move Up!

yeah but where it goes and if I make the putt afterwards is the question

TToo
TTrue

Just let my rating be better then MTL's

Even though it doesnt matter ill beat him whether he has a better rating or not :o

you are 1-0 against me - hard for me to argue factual information

Just workin you a bit. You know i got nothin but love for my NC Brothers.

TEAM MI&NC Dominate the WORLD :D

Why don't you two just kiss and get it over with.
:D :eek: :p :)

giTTin

Congrats JJ. You'll find out soon.

Oh...that means 1000+ ********. Alright JJ...it's your turn to return the favor...I carried you through your first few tourneys. Wait...I guess you did already put $150 in my pocket by declining at Crosstown. Nevermind.

Chuck, JJ could possibly be the youngest ever 1000 rated player. If he goes up a few points this update.

how old is JJ?

Jonathon Pierce is a few months older than JJ but I think has been over 1000 for a few updates. Also, another youngster broke 1000 in May who is 17 months younger than JJ (Matt Orum). Still, breaking 1000 is a great accomplishment at any age.

JJ just turned 18 a few months before worlds

I hope mine goes down. I want people to underestimate me. :p

how much longer?

I need mine to go up so people actually know that im a player and not some hack that just plays alot of tournaments :D

I want high 930s or low 940s

Man, I'm starting to get anxious over my first ratings update. I should be around 920s-930s. I can't wait for them to get posted!

I have a feeling mine will go down what with the cruddy rounds at Am Worlds. Of course, ratings mean squat where I live so it's really only a personal thing. I still hate to see it drop! :( Russ3523 :cool:

Todd asks:
how much longer?

Theo says he has just a couple of problem tournaments to deal with and then they will be up, hopefully tonight. He is on Pacific time so tonight could be early tomorrow your time.

alright thanks bruce

Good to hear.

Out on the West Coast and on night watch...or morning :D

ratings are up, well mine is down, but updated

thanks for all the work you guys did, you had it done on the date you said you would

This update is wack.............I had 2 rounds that were rated in the thousands for worlds and they are rated 980s right now..............I dont know whats up with the rating system but when a 1 down at DMACC in 40 mile an hour winds is a 980 something then the system is wack...........Then my 2 over at Ewing is a 980 something also when it was a thousand before.........Thats also rediculous..................Im done even caring about ratings because they mean NOTHING anyway..........Its all just a load of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Waaaaah!

Mills is upset only because I still got 6 rating points on him.

The online system was not set up to process the Worlds ratings properly. That's been pointed out several times. The only round rating estimates that were close were the ones posted by Nez on the score sheets at the Hotel.

Mills is just trying to make sure his rating is going to go down in the next update...

-Theo

3 Wisconsin guys in the top 10!! and to think, I have to play those guys at all the local B tiers :( no wonder I never win

3 Wisconsin guys in the top 10!! and to think, I have to play those guys at all the local B tiers :( no wonder I never win



I have the solution to all your problems with these 2 words!!

Play... Better... :D

But yeah awesome to see 3 wi players in the top 10

Mine went up 36 points! Whoohoo! :)

Theo, just wondering why the semis from the Worlds was not rated?

Thanks for all the work!

Why wasn't the Johnny Roberts Memorial (Arvada, Colorado, July 10-11) included in the ratings update? The results have been up for over a month WITH round ratings. I don't know if that would have changed my rating but I wonder why it was not included. Only thing I can think of is that they still say "unofficial results".

On the other hand...you all (I may not know who you are but you do!) do a great job with the ratings. It's not perfect yet so whining will always occur but I think it's pretty cool. It's at least one benchmark for me to compare myself with people I have yet to play against. Thanks!

-Max

3 Wisconsin guys in the top 10!!


...also 4 in the top 23, counting that latest Innova guy :cool:.

I think that's great for our frozen friends....something famewise to go along with cheese, beer and da Pack....Florida had 3 in the top ten also, as did Kali, which prolly would have 4 in the top 15, or so, were Collicott current*.

Self-designated DG Mecca NC: 2 top-tenners. :eek:

*All four of those have hit our pond for Monthlies, too [just not too often :D]!

Just a questin about the 85% of rounds being used...I got 10 rounds in there and they are all used??? Shouldn't the lowest one go (would give me three more points!). Not that it matters much, being a bottom-feeder and all.

Just thought I'd ask, maybe someone can clear this up for me.

no live oak summer open? b-tier in july , live oak, texas?

Check with the TDs first if their events are not in the update. Just because the information is in the online system does not mean it was turned in correctly, or even turned in.

thanks gary , that was my initial :confused: :confused: assumption!

Im not complaining really. I just thought my rating was going to go up more then it did.

I cant believe that my 1 under at DMACC in the 30 mile an hour winds would be a 1000 round

You guys are doing a great job with everything. Seriously Theo and Chuck and Steve and all you guys do a great job im not upset with you guys im more upset with myself.

I guess thats what you get for playing in almost 30 sactioned events. More of your bad rated rounds are going to be in when you have 60 rounds compared to 30 rounds.

Thanks for everything you guys do. I think this was the closest to on time update i have seen yet :D

One question though. Can one stroke be worth 30 ratings points???

One question though. Can one stroke be worth 30 ratings points???




Where do you see that? The most a throw should be worth is about 14 rating points when the SSA is the lowest allowed at 41.4. Otherwise, it's always less than 14 points per throw.

JJ shot a 2 down at DMACC and his rating was 1017 and i shot a 1 down and my was 989???

Thats all i was wondering about.

Just a questin about the 85% of rounds being used...I got 10 rounds in there and they are all used???



We've posted before that it doesn't get to 15% drops until you have almost 15 rounds. All rounds up to 10 are included. Then with 11, the first round is dropped.

To the best of our knowledge, all events that were properly reported to PDGA HQ by about Aug 28th or so have been processed for ratings. If it doesn't have ratings, either the report isn't complete, there's a problem with some of the information or there were not enough PDGA members with established ratings at the event to rate some or all of the rounds.

JJ shot a 2 down at DMACC and his rating was 1017 and i shot a 1 down and my was 989???




Each round is calculated separately based on the ratings of the players and weather in that round. DMACC had the widest range of SSAs since it was the most open course and had a wide range of wind conditions. The same score at DMACC varied up to 54 points depending on which round you played. Look at the Course Statistics for the event to see how the SSA changed on each course at Worlds. However, within a specific round, a one throw difference will be worth about 9-10 points.

Plus none of the USADGC rounds are in there either???

Plus none of the USADGC rounds are in there either???




To the best of our knowledge, all events that were properly reported to PDGA HQ by about Aug 28th or so have been processed for ratings.

Sorry i didnt see that :o

Chuck, just wondering why the semis at Worlds was not rated? If this has allready been answered, sorry.

The semis were rated to the best of my knowledge if you look at your personal Ratings Detail. I know I have a 'Round 11' in my detail for the semis at Ewing. I don't think Semis and Finals round ratings are displayed on the event score table like the individual rounds do.

Thanks, Chuck.

There is a problem with one of the events the Flying Saucer Open Am 3s have Long tee pad SSA and they played from the shorts.

no live oak summer open? b-tier in july , live oak, texas?



I think marka didn't submit this tournament yet b/c if he had, my pitiful rating would be higher than his :eek:. For the first time, his rating has surpassed mine and I think he wants to gloat until the next ratings update :)

no live oak summer open? b-tier in july , live oak, texas?



I think marka didn't submit this tournament yet b/c if he had, my pitiful rating would be higher than his :eek:. For the first time, his rating has surpassed mine and I think he wants to gloat until the next ratings update :)



bummer!!!! :confused: :confused:

Efrain,

I'm bored, so I re-calculated your rating with the 2004 LOSO rounds included. Assuming the ratings standards laid out in the official ratings guide, which are: All rounds in the past 12 months included, going back up to 24 months if fewer than 20 rated rounds in the last 12 months, rating calculated as an average of the top 85% of the included rounds... your rating should have gone up 4 pts.

Of course, the current PDGA ratings include rounds you played outside the standard window. I assume that the "past 12 months" is actually <13 months, meaning that ratings figured on Sep. 20th include a tourney from Sep. 6-7, 2003 (Coastal Clash). With that tourney included, your rating only goes up 1 point (931.5 rounded up to 932).

so... basically, at the next rating update (if LOSO is included and you don't play any more tournaments that are reported for that update) your rating should be 935. Can ya tell I'm bored? :D

So is there a new worlds best lefty now???

heh, I don't know much about that... but I was corrected on the 12-month ratings window. According to rodney, the 12-month window ends with your last rated tournament. In that case, Efrain's Outlaws (Aug 2003) and Coastal Clash (Sep 2003) tournaments would be included since his last rated tournament was LOSO (July 2004). With that data included, his rating would be 928; down 3 points. Of course, he's still WAY better than me :)

Ef, just come up to DFW and play the ZT10 final, shoot well and you should knock out the Outlaws rounds and maybe a couple of the lower ones in your rating to get over the 940 mark. You definitely have the game for it :)

So is there a new worlds best lefty now???



I would have to think so :)

I was wondering why the Riverside Glide a B tier Tournament that happened on July10-11th in Tulsa, OK was not included in my tournamnet rating update, it is up on the pdga tour website, but not under my profile. Thanks Guys.
Boobs

When you bring up the results for an event, right under the event name it says either Official Results or Unofficial Results. Riverside says unofficial meaning the report hasn't been received or processed yet. If it says Official Results, the points have been awarded. If it's says Official AND the Round Ratings link is there, the ratings have been processed.

The final round at Pittsburgh does not have a rating, it had on a week after the tourney was over. Same with the worlds semis.

CB didnt you play DMACC the same round as JJ? Or was that the first tourney round?

Here are the top 25 men and top 25 women, along with their change in rank and change in rating since the July update.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td>July</td><td>Chg</td><td>Rating</td><td>July</td><td>Chg</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1039</td><td>1039</td><td>Schultz</td><td>Barry
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>1033</td><td>1033</td><td>Climo</td><td>Ken
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>7</td><td>+4</td><td>1032</td><td>1022</td><td>+10</td><td>Lundmark</td><td>Jesper
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>-1</td><td>1025</td><td>1025</td><td>Todd</td><td>Cameron
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>-1</td><td>1025</td><td>1025</td><td>Rico</td><td>Steve
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>6</td><td>+2</td><td>1025</td><td>1023</td><td>+2</td><td>Randolph</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>+1</td><td>1022</td><td>1021</td><td>+1</td><td>Dorius</td><td>Micah
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>22</td><td>+14</td><td>1021</td><td>1014</td><td>+7</td><td>Warren</td><td>Keith
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>36</td><td>+27</td><td>1020</td><td>1008</td><td>+12</td><td>Wield</td><td>Aaron
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>8</td><td>-2</td><td>1019</td><td>1021</td><td>-2</td><td>McCray</td><td>John E.
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>17</td><td>+7</td><td>1019</td><td>1016</td><td>+3</td><td>Hammock</td><td>Brad
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>13</td><td>+3</td><td>1019</td><td>1019</td><td>Pursio</td><td>Timo
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>13</td><td>+3</td><td>1019</td><td>1019</td><td>Russell</td><td>Ron
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>+1</td><td>1019</td><td>1020</td><td>-1</td><td>Haney</td><td>Walter
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>+1</td><td>1019</td><td>1020</td><td>-1</td><td>Musick</td><td>Bobby
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>15</td><td>-1</td><td>1018</td><td>1018</td><td>McDaniel</td><td>Stan
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>3</td><td>-13</td><td>1018</td><td>1025</td><td>-7</td><td>Kallstrom</td><td>Markus
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>19</td><td>+3</td><td>1018</td><td>1015</td><td>+3</td><td>Brinster</td><td>Steve
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>22</td><td>+3</td><td>1016</td><td>1014</td><td>+2</td><td>Schweberger</td><td>Brian
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>19</td><td>-1</td><td>1015</td><td>1015</td><td>Martin</td><td>Scott
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>15</td><td>-5</td><td>1015</td><td>1018</td><td>-3</td><td>Nodland</td><td>Darrell
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>17</td><td>-3</td><td>1015</td><td>1016</td><td>-1</td><td>Feldberg</td><td>David
</td></tr><tr><td>23</td><td>22</td><td>-1</td><td>1014</td><td>1014</td><td>Heeren</td><td>Chris
</td></tr><tr><td>23</td><td>22</td><td>-1</td><td>1014</td><td>1014</td><td>Ginnelly</td><td>Dan
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>31</td><td>+6</td><td>1013</td><td>1010</td><td>+3</td><td>Gill</td><td>Timmy
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>27</td><td>+2</td><td>1013</td><td>1013</td><td>McCoy</td><td>Kevin
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>34</td><td>+9</td><td>1013</td><td>1009</td><td>+4</td><td>Tannock</td><td>Dean
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>



<table border="1"><tr><td> Rank</td><td>July</td><td>Chg</td><td>Rating</td><td>July</td><td>Chg</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>+2</td><td>948</td><td>941</td><td>+7</td><td>Lagerholm</td><td>Birgitta
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>-1</td><td>946</td><td>948</td><td>-2</td><td>Korver</td><td>Juliana
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>-1</td><td>945</td><td>947</td><td>-2</td><td>Reading</td><td>Des
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>+1</td><td>939</td><td>934</td><td>+5</td><td>Berlogar</td><td>Carrie
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>4</td><td>-1</td><td>937</td><td>936</td><td>+1</td><td>King</td><td>Elaine
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>934</td><td>933</td><td>+1</td><td>Herndon</td><td>Lesli
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>928</td><td>928</td><td>Steele</td><td>Ruth
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>10</td><td>+2</td><td>927</td><td>923</td><td>+4</td><td>Cosgrove</td><td>Nadine
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>8</td><td>-1</td><td>926</td><td>926</td><td>Dolan</td><td>Tuffi
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>9</td><td>-1</td><td>922</td><td>924</td><td>-2</td><td>Kreml</td><td>Anni
</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>14</td><td>+3</td><td>919</td><td>911</td><td>+8</td><td>White</td><td>Barrett
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>11</td><td>-1</td><td>914</td><td>914</td><td>Ross</td><td>Nikki
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>12</td><td>914</td><td>913</td><td>+1</td><td>Weidle</td><td>Kristen
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>12</td><td>-2</td><td>913</td><td>913</td><td>Inami</td><td>Naoko
</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>24</td><td>+9</td><td>912</td><td>899</td><td>+13</td><td>Jenkins</td><td>Valarie
</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>34</td><td>+19</td><td>912</td><td>883</td><td>+29</td><td>Hellgren</td><td>Lydie Lykke
</td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>18</td><td>+1</td><td>910</td><td>903</td><td>+7</td><td>Renner</td><td>Debbie
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>21</td><td>+3</td><td>908</td><td>900</td><td>+8</td><td>Peavy</td><td>Courtney
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>16</td><td>-3</td><td>904</td><td>904</td><td>Allen</td><td>Jennifer
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>16</td><td>-3</td><td>904</td><td>904</td><td>Kakimoto</td><td>Chieko
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>19</td><td>904</td><td>902</td><td>+2</td><td>Mansir</td><td>Rachel
</td></tr><tr><td>22</td><td>15</td><td>-7</td><td>900</td><td>907</td><td>-7</td><td>Tschiggfrie</td><td>Angela
</td></tr><tr><td>23</td><td>20</td><td>-3</td><td>898</td><td>901</td><td>-3</td><td>Stephens</td><td>Sue
</td></tr><tr><td>24</td><td>25</td><td>+1</td><td>897</td><td>897</td><td>Ugalde</td><td>Tita
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>31</td><td>+6</td><td>895</td><td>886</td><td>+9</td><td>Lagergren</td><td>Brita
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>25</td><td>895</td><td>897</td><td>-2</td><td>Snodgrass</td><td>Mandi
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

CB didnt you play DMACC the same round as JJ? Or was that the first tourney round?



He was in a diff pool then i was for his first round at DMACC. The wind was blowing just as hard when i played in the next day though so i dont understand why his round is 39 points higher then mine when he only beat me by a stroke???

Doesnt matter anyway its my first year or really getting into it. I cant be mad at my progress thus far. This time next year will be a little different though.

Efrain,

I'm bored, so I re-calculated your rating with the 2004 LOSO rounds included. Assuming the ratings standards laid out in the official ratings guide, which are: All rounds in the past 12 months included, going back up to 24 months if fewer than 20 rated rounds in the last 12 months, rating calculated as an average of the top 85% of the included rounds... your rating should have gone up 4 pts.

Of course, the current PDGA ratings include rounds you played outside the standard window. I assume that the "past 12 months" is actually <13 months, meaning that ratings figured on Sep. 20th include a tourney from Sep. 6-7, 2003 (Coastal Clash). With that tourney included, your rating only goes up 1 point (931.5 rounded up to 932).

so... basically, at the next rating update (if LOSO is included and you don't play any more tournaments that are reported for that update) your rating should be 935. Can ya tell I'm bored? :D



cool, thanx for being bored!!! :D

Ratings up and ratings down.

Here are the players currently over 1000 who have increased their rating for 3 consecutive updates:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Feb</td><td>May</td><td>Jul</td><td>Sep</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1018</td><td>1019</td><td>1023</td><td>1025</td><td>Randolph</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>992</td><td>1005</td><td>1014</td><td>1021</td><td>Warren</td><td>Keith
</td></tr><tr><td>1003</td><td>1005</td><td>1008</td><td>1020</td><td>Wield</td><td>Aaron
</td></tr><tr><td>996</td><td>1003</td><td>1009</td><td>1013</td><td>Tannock</td><td>Dean
</td></tr><tr><td>994</td><td>996</td><td>998</td><td>1007</td><td>Svensson</td><td>Hans
</td></tr><tr><td>986</td><td>992</td><td>1002</td><td>1005</td><td>Middlecamp</td><td>Peter
</td></tr><tr><td>973</td><td>976</td><td>986</td><td>1002</td><td>Jernigan</td><td>Justin
</td></tr><tr><td>989</td><td>996</td><td>1001</td><td>1002</td><td>Vilmorin</td><td>Chris
</td></tr><tr><td>992</td><td>995</td><td>1000</td><td>1001</td><td>Williams</td><td>Greg
</td></tr><tr><td>990</td><td>991</td><td>993</td><td>1000</td><td>Rio</td><td>Carlos A.
</td></tr><tr><td>986</td><td>987</td><td>992</td><td>1000</td><td>Bunnell</td><td>Justin
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>


Here are the players who were over 1000 and have decreased their rating for 3 consecutive updates:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Feb</td><td>May</td><td>Jul</td><td>Sep</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>1016</td><td>1015</td><td>1013</td><td>1011</td><td>Moser</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>1020</td><td>1019</td><td>1015</td><td>1009</td><td>Anthon</td><td>Josh
</td></tr><tr><td>1011</td><td>1008</td><td>1005</td><td>1000</td><td>Lissaman</td><td>Geoff
</td></tr><tr><td>1006</td><td>1004</td><td>999</td><td>998</td><td>Ritter</td><td>Andy
</td></tr><tr><td>1005</td><td>1003</td><td>997</td><td>996</td><td>Loya</td><td>Mike
</td></tr><tr><td>1005</td><td>1000</td><td>996</td><td>993</td><td>Kunde</td><td>Chris
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

JJ shot a 2 down at DMACC and his rating was 1017 and i shot a 1 down and my was 989???




Each round is calculated separately based on the ratings of the players and weather in that round. DMACC had the widest range of SSAs since it was the most open course and had a wide range of wind conditions. The same score at DMACC varied up to 54 points depending on which round you played. Look at the Course Statistics for the event to see how the SSA changed on each course at Worlds. However, within a specific round, a one throw difference will be worth about 9-10 points.



Chuck, does that really seem kosher to you? 54 points, or 5 strokes difference? Wind or not, that seems like an awfully big jump from day to day.

54 points - wow

Chuck, Theo and the gang.. thanks for your efforts.. they are appreciated! Thanks for getting them done on time.

WOW JJ jumps over 1000!

WTG :cool:

This girlie is still not a propogator. :mad:

Which means we've had an amateur with averaging 1000 golf for about a year.

Just an observation...

This girlie is still not a propogator. :mad:



Honorable mention among people who have increased their rating for 3 consecutive updates:
<table border="1"><tr><td> Feb</td><td>May</td><td>Jul</td><td>Sep</td><td>Last</td><td>First
</td></tr><tr><td>752</td><td>768</td><td>787</td><td>794</td><td>Merce</td><td>Lindsay
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

I dont believe he has been playing tournaments much longer than that... I may be wrong!!

Chuck, does that really seem kosher to you? 54 points, or 5 strokes difference? Wind or not, that seems like an awfully big jump from day to day.



Dan, I'm not Chuck, but at DMACC, as you know, there wasn't just wind, there was also water.

A 5 stroke SSA difference from wind alone would seem high to me. But when the wind brings the water into play, you start bringing in OB strokes, not just windblown strokes.

Further, with a new course, there might be some "learning" factor involved with players creating a lower SSA the 2nd time they played it. Of course, this would be hidden by the lower wind, but it would still contribute.

I'm not saying I'm fully at ease with that range, but I think it helps explain it.

Which means we've had an amateur with averaging 1000 golf for about a year.

Just an observation...



Another way of saying that is, "We have a kid that just turned 18 that has been playing 1000 golf for about a year." It puts it in a different perspective I think.

Juniors <19 Round 4 at Ewing is rated wrong. We played from the long tee pads and the Junior <16 and <13 played from the shorts.

Another way of saying that is, "We have a kid that just turned 18 that has been playing 1000 golf for about a year." It puts it in a different perspective I think.



Or you could put it this way.

We have a kid who has played since he could WALK on a course in his backyard and has been growing up around disc golf his whole life that just joined the PDGA and is now rated at a 1000. Im not trying to take anything away from JJ cuz he is a cool as kid and a great player and has great sportsmanship but hes been playing for like 10+ years.

I could have done the same thing. Just played unsactioned and practiced till i knew i was AWESOME and then joined the PDGA.

Lets just congradulate the kid on being a 1000 rated player however he did it.

Congrats JJ.

Is there anything you haven't complained about yet cb?

Do you know when they will be official? propably the next update. Well thanks for the info I was just wondering why an event that occured way before worlds wasn't official.
Boobs

Well thanks for the info I was just wondering why an event that occured way before worlds wasn't official.



It's somewhat to do with the PDGA but 'morewhat' to do with the TD.

yaaaaa!!! 918 rating!! I am offically an advanced player!! haha I know I am sad.... I finally can't play intermediate by PDGA rating standards. Just Kidding!! I was happy to move up 15 points. Must of been that 994 round rating at worlds that did it. hehe. Again, myself and the rest of the Wisconsin Crew had a blast at Worlds!! One of the best events I have ever been to. Hats off to all staff members at Iowa Worlds. They did an AWESOME job!!

Thank you.
Boobs

hey chuck,
i dunno if this has been answered, but you probably know yes/no...

if you play a 2 day, 4 round tourney, and bail after the first day, will your completed rounds count towards your rating?

thanks

your #1 fan

While I'm not Chuck, I have this clue.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3801&year=2004&include_ratings=1#Open

Note the players at the bottom.

I'm not Chuck either...

BUT, check out LL's Ratings Details (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/player_ratings_detail.php?PDGANum=3832&year=2004) and you can see that one of the rounds he played at the Oak Hollow Open this year was counted in his ratings update even though he DNF'd the tourney. :cool:

See you on Saturday!

hey! i'm not chuck either! *to the sound of the '80s martial arts commercial "nobody bodders me eeder!"*

if i get an affirmative from chuck, that will raise the likelihood of me being there saturday to 70/30.

i'm not chuck but i did stay at a holiday inn last night

hey you mean to tell me if i don't play any tourny all year my rating stays the same :eek:

hey you mean to tell me if i don't play any tourny all year my rating stays the same



Yes.

All rounds before DNF will be calculated for ratings, assuming the round has the usual minimum number of propagators. Heaven forbid if there are only 10 props to start the event and one DNFs after a round so no one gets ratings for the rest of the event :eek:

What updates are the touring players ratings based on. Will the december update be used to determine the touring players? The reason that I am asking is that I might be tempted to play a tournament next week if the points could move me over 1000 and gain my card for next year.

Looks like you'd need a pair of 1086 rounds to move your average up to 1000. Or four 1043 rounds. With 20 relatively recent rounds in the data base, it is hard to move your average very quickly.

Well, keep practicing and maybe you'll become awsome like JJ. When you get to the point where you know you're awsome, I have a feeling we will know as well.
Are you saying that the way JJ went about his disc golf career is unethical?

Will the higher rounds not replace the lower rounds? I have a couple of over 1000 rounds from the USDGC waiting to be put in. My other rounds at the USDGC should replace some of my lower scores. That should set me up for a move right? How many scores are used? I can see not moving if they are just added in. But I should be able to make some progress if the replacement is happening.

Will the higher rounds not replace the lower rounds? I have a couple of over 1000 rounds from the USDGC waiting to be put in. My other rounds at the USDGC should replace some of my lower scores. That should set me up for a move right? How many scores are used? I can see not moving if they are just added in. But I should be able to make some progress if the replacement is happening.

Newer rounds will replace the oldest rounds if they are using the max number of rounds for you.

They are using 22 rounds from your last 13 months, because they use the last 12 months and then use up to 12 months more to get 20 rounds if you don't have 20 in the last 12. So you get 22 because the next tournament is a four rounder.

Your rating of 991 is based on 22 rounds right now. If you add 2 rounds you will lose those old four where you averaged about 996. So the situation is worse than I said. Not only do you need some super rounds to pull yourself higher but you are losing some above average rounds the next time you play and they calculate ratings.

To cut out most of your stinky rounds, which would be rounds I'd be happy to take when you're done with them :D, you need about 10 rounds of consistent 1000+ golf. It's just math, and the time order where you shot those disappointing rounds.

Is the next update for ratings gonna be in mid december?

Scheduled for mid Dec, but we wont see them til late Dec.
Haven't you seen this paTTern on Heeren yet.

I just want to know if I have time to get 1 more tournament in next week and have it count on my ratings. It'll knock off I tournament I played last year in late Nov. that I would really like to get rid of!

I'm not sure any more events will get in the next update, even those this weekend. I think PDGA HQ has or soon will have completed processeing the last batch of events to be included in this next ratings update. We're already more than half thru with the processing.

chuck, sorry for a minutiae question, but do you know if the VPO AM weekend is/will be included in Dec update? the "unofficial" ratings do not show up on the Tour pages.

VPO Am wasn't one that I processed but there are at least four other batches of events I haven't seen. PDGA HQ and Roger, who rarely posts, are the only ones who see all the events in each batch. Rodney and I just do part of them and don't see it all.

I'm hoping to get my 1000+ round from the Channahon Classic in. Got my fingers crossed.

Ive been looking at a lot of players player ratings detail and have noticed that quite a few people still have rounds from OVER 12 months ago counting towards their rating and these people have WAY more then 20 rated rounds. IE Barry Schultz, Kenny Climo, Mike Randolf, Cam Todd, Steve Rico, Walt Haney. Those are some pros to name a few and there are ALOT of Ams that also have rounds that are 12 months or more old. Arent those supposed to DROP off of your rating??? I dont have any as of yet but i know i have some in Oct of 03 all the way threw Aprl of 04 that i want to DROP off when they get to be 12 months old;) So my question is do rated rounds stop couting toward your rating and drop off after 12 months or not???

It goes back 12 months from your most recent tournament that currently counted towards your rating.
It does not go back 12 months from the most recent tournament included in the last stats update or from the current date.

You're rounds will dop off when a tournament that you play more than a year after those is updated in your rating. Probably the May? update to get all of those old rounds gone, depending on how recent the stats update used for it is.

It's 1 year from the last tournament you've played that is in the ratings update. The last tournament Barry has played which as been rated was Aug 29, 04' which means every tournament from aug 30, 03' will be counted.

This sucks since last year I shot horrible at the Turkey Shootout. This year the shootout was on Nov 14th, last year the tournament was on the 16th which means instead of taking my new ratings and replacing my bad rounds from last year, they both will count. :( ( unless they are going to count my ratings from the tournament coming up this weekend which doesn't sound like they will ) either way I"m hoping to move up 1 point!!

last 12 months i've played 3 tournys 1 with no ratings info so do i add up the rating for the 2 tournys that have ratings info or do i add up my last 20 rated rounds
3 tournys in last year = 920
last 20 rated rounds = 929

so where do they come up with the 940 i'm rated at ?

they only go back 1 year if you have more than 20 rounds, otherwise they'll go back up to 2 years or more? to get 20 rounds. Then they drop your worst 15% which = 940

are the new ratings coming out in december or january?

If all goes well, we hope to post on schedule sometime between Sunday night, Dec 19 and Tuesday night, Dec 21.

If all goes well, we hope to post on schedule sometime between Sunday night, Dec 19 and Tuesday night, Dec 21.

Grrrr. Tell us this far in advance and its like "Double Waiting for Christmas!" :mad:

:D

So I take it tournaments from this upcoming weekend will not be part of the final ratings for 04' :( (well at least not the part of them intime to be printed on our pdga membership cards )

Grrrr. Tell us this far in advance and its like "Double Waiting for Christmas!"



Thought you might want to cut out some snowmen with your rating on each one so you could tear off one each night to count down to the big day :eek:

Did the 24th Des Moines Open make the list of included tourneys?

Did the 24th Des Moines Open make the list of included tourneys?



Never mind...I just saw it on my stats page...and that means its included right?

it means it probably will be included. ratings details tells you what is included already. stats page tells you what events have been submitted in such a way that they have temporary unofficial ratings. but being on the stats page does not gaurantee an event will be in the next update - its just a reasonable bet that it will be.

anyone know why some of the "unoffical" ratings that had been showing up on the Tour pages are now not available (no Show Ratings link) ?

Those events are currently being reviewed for accuracy and will be included in the next ratings update scheduled for sometime around Dec 21.

Once unofficial results are included in the stats updates - the unofficial ratings go away and with the next ratings update - the official ratings will appear!

:cool: Girlie's going up over 800 Baby! :cool:

The official tournament report was recieved by the PDGA. Once it is updated/ entered the unofficial ratings go away.

Hint. Hint. It would be nice if they would leave the unofficial ratings up until the next update (and just note that they are unofficial). From my understanding, those unofficial ratings will not change that much if the TD entered all the info correctly.

I am moving up 0 points, how boring . . . now I have to wait another 3 months to watch my rating change :(

Hint. Hint. It would be nice if they would leave the unofficial ratings up until the next update (and just note that they are unofficial). From my understanding, those unofficial ratings will not change that much if the TD entered all the info correctly.



And if the TD doesn't, then everyone gets stuck with incorrect official ratings....

::cough::Temple::cough::

When i went to check the Winter Blaster results, i clicked on my name and "Chad Hein's" name came up with his PDGA number of 24347, while mine is 24317. Is this a mistake or is my computer messed up??

Yes!

Oh oops, its just the Winter Blaster link.

If I did this new fangled math correctly and the unofficial ratings are near accurate I should jump into the 920's maybe even to 925 if they give me my first 1000 rated round at the Sneeky Pete.

TT TF fo life

girlie, maybe i'm dumb nut i stil dont get why the "unofficial" numbers need to disappear while the "official" number are being calc'd. do they occupy the same rows/fields in the database?

if some of the unofficial ratings are changed when they become official, who cares what they used to be? we all know that they are unofficial and subject to change until included in a ratings release. (and sometimes subject to cahnge even after :eek: )

And if the TD doesn't, then everyone gets stuck with incorrect official ratings....

::cough::Temple::cough::




what no wonder my rating suxs :mad:

Joel and you "averaged" 962 rounds. Meanwhile the top 2 in Int "averaged" 970+ rounds...

All divisions were treated as playing the same tees.... :mad:


Question for the Ratings Powers-That-Be:
Is there anyway to correct this, since the TD hasn't? All Pro and Advanced divisions played the longs, while the Intermediates and Recreational divisions played the 11 short tees.

Temple DG Course (http://www.go-parks.net/images/DiscGolf.jpg)
2004 Temple Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4100&year=2004&include_ratings=1#Open)

Hey Sandals,

Yur knot dumb. :)

I'm sure that there is some reason out there for the unofficial ratings to disappear once they are included in the stats updates. BUT, maybe there is no material reason.

It certainly helps me to know which events have already been included in my rating and which events are about to be included in the next update. :cool:

I don't see it as a negative, I rather enjoy seeing the preliminary round ratings come in when scores are first posted and sometimes it's obvious that the ratings are way off from initial data entry.

My rating will probably stay the same when they come out.

Had some great rounds and then had some blowups. I am hoping that my rounds at Zebulon from the summer(and they are getting included finally in the winter update) are going to be decent....but then again Snoop shot 3 rounds of 44 while I was shooting 60s.

I figured my rating out to be 1013.94 not including my last tournament which won't be included on the next update. Dammit, just .06 more and I could move up!! Now I have to stay the same :(

ahh, you poor thing! if you could just step it up a little, you would not have this problem!





I'm sure this means quite a bit to you, coming from me!!
;)

with no 2M rule, you might have gotten that last 0.06 :D:D:D

dammit, I would have. Thats not fair!!! because starting now I will never get stuck in a tree again, just because of that dumb rule. I'm going to purposly throw at every tree possible just so I can hopefully get stuck and take advanced of it.

dammit, I would have. Thats not fair!!! because starting now I will never get stuck in a tree again, just because of that dumb rule. I'm going to purposly throw at every tree possible just so I can hopefully get stuck and take advanced of it.



COMPLETE - TOOL. The best part about this message is that you wrote, "and take advanced of it". Are you so wrapped up in the thought of playing more ADVANCED tournaments that you even accidentally write about it on here? That's one of the funniest things I've seen on this board in a while.

well, since I'm an "advanced player for life" guy, I think advanced was the only thing on my mind!

happy day Chris, and sandalman you are freakin hilarious!

any guestimations on the new rating release?

It's on schedule.

what is the schedule?

http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/index.php

10-4

10-4



sweet. now get those official scores from outlaws 04 in, vinnie. :D

thems been in

thems been in



They have? Then where am I on the results page?
Outlaws 2004 results for those who made the cut ONLY. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4239)


:)

thank you PDGA.

Thanks frozen folks!!! :)

Will the new ratings come out on the 15th or 19th?

in the over/under i'm going with over 21st

Perhaps some missed our post a while back that ratings updates will be posted sometime between the Sunday night and Tuesday night following the 15th so they are available early enough for TDs and players who have events the following weekend (even though no sanctioned events are listed for Christmas weekend).

I say very late tuesday night or early wednesday morning.

Really curious about some of the tournaments I've played in that will be in the update. This update will probably only increase my rating a few points, if at all. :(

Hey.. U mean as of tonight or tomorrow, all rating will be update?? if so, that s great. :D

I'd put my money on the 20th.

Hey.. U mean as of tonight or tomorrow, all rating will be update?? if so, that s great. :D



no. Next week

Bailey are you still trying to shoot for a sub 875 rating or will you stay INT.? :confused: :confused:

Bailey are you still trying to shoot for a sub 875 rating or will you stay INT.? :confused: :confused:



Oh, yeah, Matt?

I'll bet James can beat you playing left-handed... :eek:

Nope we already tried that I guess you didn't know I throw everything besides backhand lefthanded. I shot like 5 down on the front of Macgregor while turbo putting and throwing sidearms. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Looks like the punk got wiped off the board before I had a chance to reply... Now that's funny.

Don't mess with James Bailey or you'll be deleted next. :D

SWEET!!!

What happened to Vinie? Whyd he get deleted, and they take out all your posts? WOW, talk about rewriting history. Now any threads he posted on wont make too much sense. How many other people have been deleted. Makes me think I better watch what I say, huh?

why not just change the ratings update to the 20th ? saying the new ratings will be out on the 15 th is missleading. ?????

We've never said it will be the 15th. We've always said about the 15th or mid-month, but that wasn't good enough for some people. The important thing is to publish them between Sunday and Tuesday so there's some time for players and TDs to adjust their divisions if necessary before events the following weekend. So, rather than guess if it's going to be the Sunday before or after the 15th, we picked after or on.

BTW, Roger completed the first pass of the ratings late last night for us to review. We won't tell when they'll be posted between Sunday and Tuesday so we won't interfere with any 'heavy' wagering on what time.

Looks like another database glitch, Matt and Vinnie are both missing.

I'm back in disguise. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Matt was taking to much of Vinnie's money. Linda had to "fix" the situation. Now Vinnie and Linda are on "extended leave" in faraway places.

The database crashed. Some weird glitch happens that some users get currupted/deleted, and that makes every post of theirs disappear as well as every thread they ever started and all posts that were replies to any post of theirs. It happened to me before.

They can restore it. But you might have to ask.

BTW, Roger completed the first pass of the ratings late last night for us to review. We won't tell when they'll be posted between Sunday and Tuesday so we won't interfere with any 'heavy' wagering on what time.



Who's starting the pool as to when they will be published?