It may be working in 49 other states, but something is wrong in TX. :)



That's pretty easy to see :D

yeah, that should pretty much do it.



Ban me for an opinion, good luck. etard.



plus, you mispelled "smartest".



It's not est, its assed. dipstick.

i guess i shoulda used the :Dand the :D after all. idjot.

makes all the difference in the world.

'specially when dealing with mor[/b]ons.

:D

children, play nice!!!!

Especially anonymous morons :D:mad::D

"plus, you mispelled "smartest"."


You misspelled misspelled, Einstien.

"plus, you mispelled "smartest"."


You misspelled misspelled, Einstien.

I think it's Einstein, Einstein! :D

It may be working in 49 other states, but something is wrong in TX. :)



That's pretty easy to see :D



LMAO :D:D:D

still no rating updates? :confused:

still no rating updates? :confused:



Yeah, they put them up on 5/23. Mine didnt change either! :mad:

really how come the date says feb for the last update

Current Rating: 955 (as of 15-Feb-2005)

How's it going Chris? Are you making it to worlds this year?

Eddy the ratings are not up yet.

The ratings are up! this has never happened before . . . . somehow all 26,000+ members ratings did not change! What are the odds of that?!

How's it going Chris? Are you making it to worlds this year?

He's on the waitlist. He did not get enough points to get in on an invite. Oh, and ratings are up.

How's it going Chris? Are you making it to worlds this year?

He's on the waitlist. He did not get enough points to get in on an invite. Oh, and ratings are up.


Ratings are up? Where?

Seattle, up in Theo's home office. Settle down. My last post was in context.

They rating are not up just look up under your name at the ratings detail and it is not updated.

seewhere: The idiom really doesn't translate well, but nice signature :)

mine's up but its down

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE RATINGS AREN'T UP YET :mad::eek: MINE SAYS THAT I'M A 920 RATED PLAYER. :D

Yeah the ratings are up! ;)

Darn, looks like I lost ground....

You know what is going to happen, they will post the new ratings, no one will notice, and we will continue to play the same for several more weeks. After a couple of weeks we will all notice the changes and will start playing better/worse as the ratings dictate. Come to think on it, if you think your rating is going down, you might not want to look at it.

I'm just looking for a 50pt jump by the end of the year.

Mine isn't up yet. :confused:
I'm hoping to crack 900! :D

I'm just looking for a 50pt jump by the end of the year.

:eek: Your kidding right???

I'm just looking for a 50pt jump by the end of the year.

:eek: Your kidding right???


NO. My goal is to be rated 970 by the end of the year and to have 2 A-Tier wins and one Major.

Shoot wisely my friend, those are some lofty goals for anybody.

Even Steve Mills might have a hard time reaching that goal :D hmmmmm...he does have an A tier under his belt already so you never know??

thanks **** [I'm a potty-mouth!] :D

NO. My goal is to be rated 970 by the end of the year and to have 2 A-Tier wins and one Major.

:eek: :eek: :eek: LMFAO Now you must REALLY be joking. What A Tiers and what Major do you plan on winning???

Sorry it took so long to respond. I fell out of my chair at work I was laughing so hard after I read that :eek:

?

?



None are new though.

so, if I don't renew my rating won't ever be seen? oh, this could be better than I thought

Mine isnt up, but Heeren was on last night and could see the ratings somehow. I think they were preliminary because he said an 803 round was included and amazingly lowered my rating, and that round should not be included.

lmao

I'm just looking for a 50pt jump by the end of the year.

:eek: Your kidding right???



This is also my goal by the end of the year!

lmao



I cant believe there are still people who think Chris had the ratings last night :p

;)

The activity in the chat room was intense. People signing in and out like traffic lights change. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Wasnt just last night either. Was happening all day today in there also....lmao

:mad:
Tried something but it didnt work :mad:

<font color="red">YET </font>
:D

funny,i'm not having a hard time with this....being a Cubs fan and all! :D

I will have 8 rounds rated, the only 2 that I can get the ratings from give me 957. I guess it depends all on how my 6 2005 rounds went.

Come on top 10, top 10, top 10, top 10. :D

Come on top 10, top 10, top 10, top 10. :D



Try TOP 2000... :p
Bagger :D

Ok top 2000, top 2000, top 2000. :D:D

Any Guesses on what time they show up.....I say 11:34pm Eastern.

Never

Any Guesses on what time they show up.....I say 11:34pm Eastern.

11:34 Pacific, and by Pacific I mean whatever they call Hawaii time! :D

9:42 PM EDT

hmm...

American Idol finals... 4 hours of voting, that will tie up the bandwidth for the entire dial up internet for sure.

I'm guessing 1:27am EST.

Or 6:27am GMT

its getting close to 9:42 EDT - be prepared boys & girls!

i'll bet heeren went up a hair

ratings were released in Wisconsin last night, and they have been released in NC.

Come to chat, talk to MTL for your rating!!

We are all prepared but they won't be out until 5/27 for sure.

ratings were released in Wisconsin last night, and they have been released in NC.

Come to chat, talk to MTL for your rating!!



Who cares about Wisconsin or NC?? ;)

My guess is 11:55 PST.

you should if you want to know your rating

all ratings are in chat, even texas

whoa that's crazy. :D:D

MTL does not have the ratings.

Worked even better than Heeren's "the ratings are up" post yesterday.

Why do you have to lie like that? Of course MTL has the ratings :D:D

Maybe next time the PDGA should just release the ratings when they're ready, rather than posting a date that cannot be met. Of course, in my part of the country ratings don't mean a lot. But it's still fun to see how I stack up. Guess the site will crash once they're actually posted. g'day! rWc3523 :cool:

They're still on schedule and not late until midnight tonight PDT.



Chuck, that is true regarding what you are on record here as having said as the timeline for the update, but are you aware that for the last few days the front page (pdga.com) has had a note in red font at the top of the page saying:

<font color="red"> Next Ratings Update 5/23/05 </font>

? That is no doubt why people are saying the update is late.

Ratings wont be up until next month. Go away.

you should go away..

where is this Chat room???
whats 21581's new rating??
thx
Rolly

where is this Chat room???
whats 21581's new rating??
thx
Rolly



Look up at the top righthad and you will see a chat option

What a joke

whoa that's crazy. :D:D



actually your quite right!! :D:D

1037 Schultz
1031 Climo
1030 Lundmark
....

Just waiting for Theo to get back online tonight so he can upload them to the server.

what time do you think that will be?

why do u think u got a 1000 boobs Im sure your real close congrats on a strong first half this year

I don't know. The Committee 'greenlighted' the update this afternoon. This morning he said he would try to do it tonight without giving a time. He's on PDT so it's only 8:30 there.

PDR?

Player Degree Rating. a new component to the calcs.

Thanks man, we shall see.

Thanks Chuck.

boobs they're asking for ya in chatroom

Some recent Rookies:
1016 Middlecamp
1010 Jernigan
1001 Hatfield
997 Bubis
994 Gerling

Chuck, did BG AM.s get processed yet or will it not be in till the next update?

did i go up or down?

Top 3 women
957 Korver
952 Lagerholm
951 Reading

BG Ams did get done with 24 pool/round SSAs being processed.

Top 3 women
957 Korver
952 Lagerholm
951 Reading



that's good news to all the Advanced Men who like to trash talk -- Juliana can't school them by playing in their division now :D

Did the CCR Open get put in the ratings Chuck?

I don't see any events with CCR or three words that start with CCR.

ok I was just wondering because it was just added to tournament results on the 20th of May.

Only a few events after 4/16 got reported in time to make this update.

Thanks Chuck, so close.

Chuck I jusr saw that Korver's rating in May 2002 was 968. Is that the highest overall rating a female player has ever had?

Some recent Rookies:
1016 Middlecamp
1010 Jernigan
1001 Hatfield
997 Bubis
994 Gerling



Nice to see you added Gerling. No one ever talks about him but he was a rookie last year and he's a pretty good player.

how long til juniors?

Two top juniors are in that rookie list. Then add the other two that are over 999: Pierce 1012 and Orum 1008.

who r the others?

Jernigan and Hatfield

Theo have a ball to attend tonight?

Theo's deep into prepping for the Beaver State Fling NT this weekend.

I'll be up for awhile. Post your PDGA number and I'll post your rating.

well what about the ones under 999? like myself, when will my rating be out? sorry for the nagging

25378

I suppose he is the only one who can post them right?

Not interested in just my rating... I am interested in all the ratings of the players that play in the 10+ events I run a year. Sorry to be disappointed that a deadline is posted and not met.

I'll be up for awhile. Post your PDGA number and I'll post your rating.



22020

(i also am interested in my best BG round, but can wait)

I could post them all, but I'm irritated by all the complaints. I rushed home from work today, and ended up being late to the Beaver State Fling team meeting, so I could crank out the update.

Chuck said the ratings would be done on 5/23 or 5/24. Given the effort that was required to get this update done, with the new changes, ALL WE SHOULD BE HEARING IS PRAISE!

-Theo

No rating yet for 27227. Your events must not have been reported in time for processing this update.

19332

25378 978

Sounds like someone might be letting things get to his head a bit...

Thanks for all the hard work guys!!!!

Thank you!
PLEASE take your time!!!

it has been said over and over...

Sorry Theo, when do you think you will have them up.
Thanks

Theo, i think the complaints were probably due in part to the pdga front page saying in red font for the last few days:

<font color="red"> next update 5/23/05 </font>

those of us who read Chuck knew the target was by 5/24/05

so i have to wait 3 more months?

so i have to wait 3 more months?


haha

19332 874

22020 928

Yo Chuck 21552 thanks

Hey Chuck,

24099 ?

24317

thanks

22020 928



ouch! :mad:

thanks Chuck :D

so i have to wait 3 more months?




Less than 2 months. Next <font color="red"> Red date </font> will say July 18 with the range from the evening of July 17 to July 19

So really anytime after the 30th of JUly.

21552 990
24099 959
24317 946

Any idea as to how soon everyone's ratings will be posted?

Next <font color="red"> Red date </font> will say July 18 with the range from the evening of July 17 to July 19



:confused: why not just have the red date say <font color="red"> Next update July 19</font> ? Noone will complain if it gets updated earlier :D (well, 'noone' may be a bit strong, but... :D)

Thanks Chuck!

12:33am Eastern....ratings are finally posted!!!!

Thanks for all of your hard work. Everyone that complained while on this board should be thanking you and not complaining about when the ratings are going to be posted. Thanks Again!

Theo's online right now. Not sure what he has to do to get everything loaded and linked up properly.

Playah Degree Ratings will be given out in the chat room..

ratings are updated! although i dropped a point, at least i improved my best round to a 989.

Ratings are now posted.

thaks

Hmmm Disc Pimp 942, Matt Hall 974, someone is going to be pi$$ed

MAN, you beat me to it!!!!

Sweet! CB owes me a crystal z challenger and Magilla owes me a crystal tsunami :o

didn't read the other 103 pages, but i'm sure they were very supportive Chuck! Thanks for all your hard work. Did Barry actually go up a point?!? 1037 is frickin amazing... and kenny jumping up to #2 congrats (David, you almost made the top ten) For you number crunchers, it looks like 87 players are at 1000 or better. must go practice my putting...Beaver State Fling in 3 daze

My rating is still higher than Millz...sweet

Almost caught Millz. 1 more update and I should have him. Got my 1st 8 pts of the 25 I should gain this year.

Ratings are now posted.



FOUL...I knew there was NO WAY they would EVER let me play an AM event again /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

It's a conspiracy to force you to play me on my turf /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifAfter the next update you'll be 955 :eek:

Thanks rating guys!

I didn't expect my rating to go up.

No am for me!

955, just a point off of MtL...

Better yet, Eddie OG eclipsed MtL with a 958.

And Jackie Smalls eclipsed them both jumping to a 978(?)

hey chuck, i'm curious why the rockburn challenge ratings weren't inclulded. maybe the round ratings weren't completed?

Dave Gentry is getting on top of processing events for points and posting the "official" results much faster. That means you'll have to look quickly for the "unofficial" ratings posted by the TD after an event. Only a few events after 4/16 were processed in time to make this ratings update.

And Jackie Smalls eclipsed them both jumping to a 978(?)



I know! Good shooting Jr Mafia!

Hmmm Disc Pimp 942, Matt Hall 974, someone is going to be pi$$ed



I'm not pi$$ed actually I am fairly excited but Steve on the other hand I don't know. :D:D

964, no more advanace for me :p

WOW, my second round at the Big Show midweek event was a 1002 rated round. I never noticed i was just 2 strokes off the top pro's. I just new that Clayton beat me by a stroke that round.

You should stay up and leave us AMs alone. :D:D

I can only hope to live up to that new rating. My MADC rating for 2005 including 5 rounds just from 2005 has me at a 933 rating. That is 3.5 strokes a round less than the PDGA rating!

Apparently none of my 2005 rounds have been used in my newest PDGA rating, nothing newer than 10 months ago were used.

While being happy that my PDGA Player Rating went up, I have to wonder how accurate it really is in rating my recent and current level of skill.

I realize that one individual instance says little about the overall system, but it would appear that there remain some areas that could be tightened up.

One thought that comes to mind is to slightly decentralize the process and get regional volunteers to update more often. These folks would be closer to the action and in a better position to observe and address abnormalities they come across. Just a thought. I know I would be happy to plug in what I already do for the MADC region into the PDGA Ratings System. It's no additional work for me.

I'd really like to see a system for the PDGA to "ID" (Identify), all players at their events so that we could provide support on a wider range of players than just PDGA members. Kind of like a PDGA ID that is separate from a PDGA Membership where these players results can be included in ratings calculations and perhaps a wider range of results can be included in the official PDGA Player Ratings. The cost of which would be covered in the PDGA $5 Non-Member Fee.

I agree with those that call for PDGA Player Ratings to go 'Real Time'. The arguments for delay are not convincing. If a player's rating changes just prior to an event, then they should be allowed to change divisions accordingly (as they are for the Mid Nationals). I'd really prefer for PDGA Player Ratings to be used only one time a year to determine divisional qualifications and then the player be bound by that designation for that calendar year. No jumping around will make divisions more stable and make PDGA Player Ratings more important as an 'Annual' rather than 'Quarterly' (or greater) indicator.

I suspect that within each region there are individuals already in place willing to help out with this. It will add value to both what they do regionally and what the PDGA does Worldwide IMO.

Chuck and Team... thanks for the updates! ontime regardless of the silly red date on the homepage (that really needs to go!)

question about the double-rated rounds... lets say i have two 3 rounds events then one four round event (in reverse chron order) so the four round event is rounds 7,8,9,10.

lets also say that round 1 of the four round event was way under average.

which rounds from the four round event will be doubled? i'm assuming the third and fourth, since those are the most recent (even if only by 16 hours or so). or do you have a rule that says if one round is doubled, then all rounds for the event is doubled?

thanks for any clarification you can provide.

You should stay up and leave us AMs alone. :D:D



Bagger

only 2 Am's are rated higher than me and you are one of them.

I am the 43rd highest rated player in Texas :D

I'd like all of my rounds below 986 to be dropped please. :p

You should stay up and leave us AMs alone. :D:D


lmao that you would say that!! :D
ouch! hurt my self laughing so hard

on a pers. note it is official no more ma2 for me damg ratings
how did i get a 917 rating while getting my butt kicked in ma1
seems to be too many baggers in there to be fun for me!

oh well! ( designated donater for life )

Im just wondering but arent ratings only supposed to go back 12 months??? I have round included in my ratings that are from before May 16 2004. I thought all ratings were based on the pas 12 months only. Is this true or no???

start of a new div.
so far we got :

MA 3
MA 2
MA 1

how about the new div. :
MA TT DIV. :D

That's Great Fatboy now I can move up to MA2 :D

Im just wondering but arent ratings only supposed to go back 12 months??? I have round included in my ratings that are from before May 16 2004. I thought all ratings were based on the pas 12 months only. Is this true or no???



Gotta love that your 4th round in BG was doubled!!! Kind of like my 1030 round at Z-Boaz being doubled! I likey a lot!

Im just wondering but arent ratings only supposed to go back 12 months??? I have round included in my ratings that are from before May 16 2004. I thought all ratings were based on the pas 12 months only. Is this true or no???



They go back 12 months from your most recent rated rounds. Since those are your BG Ams scores, 12 months back from that would include anything from April and May of 2004. I'm in the same boat, Steve. BG Ams are also my most recent ratings, which means I have rounds included from May 1, 2004 (my two lowest, incidentally).

--Josh

you could've done that a while back I can't play worth dung any more anyway im sure my play will speak for itself in the coming events>

Steve - The 12 months is unique to each player. It's the 12 months prior to the date of your most recently rated round.

I'm not pi$$ed actually I am fairly excited but Steve on the other hand I don't know.



Im not [I'm a potty-mouth!]. Congrats to Matt on the jump. NOW FREAKIN MOVE UP!!! :D Im fairly excited about my rating. Even though it has round from over 12 months ago still in it that are holding it down. All I need is 26 more points to be 970 by the end of the year. That is the new goal. Get my rating to 970 by the end of the year :D

Congrats Matt. Still cant wait to play against you in Des Moines. That is if your still playing am then :confused:

so i have to wait 3 more months?



Don't worry Codage you are rated at least 1000 is my book.

Gotta love that your 4th round in BG was doubled!!! Kind of like my 1030 round at Z-Boaz being doubled! I likey a lot!




Yeah I likey A LOT as well :D:D:D


They go back 12 months from your most recent rated rounds. Since those are your BG Ams scores, 12 months back from that would include anything from April and May of 2004. I'm in the same boat, Steve. BG Ams are also my most recent ratings, which means I have rounds included from May 1, 2004 (my two lowest, incidentally).





Steve - The 12 months is unique to each player. It's the 12 months prior to the date of your most recently rated round.



Thanks guys. Looks like my next update with be SWEET then :D:D

And im officially done complaining about the ratings. I know you guys work hard at getting them out I was just a little bit upset that there was a specific date posted and then they didnt get update after they were already late. Thanks again for what you do and im sorry I got all bent out of shape about it. I guess ill just keep my opinions to myself from now on. Since no one can handle them without calling me names or flying off the handle.

Sorry again and thanks for the work that you do. I think you should get PAID for it.

I guess ill just keep my opinions to myself from now on.



Y'all read it here first! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

NO. My goal is to be rated 970 by the end of the year and to have 2 A-Tier wins and one Major.

:eek: :eek: :eek: LMFAO Now you must REALLY be joking. What A Tiers and what Major do you plan on winning???

Sorry it took so long to respond. I fell out of my chair at work I was laughing so hard after I read that :eek:


I plan on playing three A-tiers at this time: DGLO, Michiana, and The Hambrick. So it will have to be two of them as of now.
Pimples you all ready know that I'm going to win the USADGC this year.
Ratings are up and I'm now at 939 only 31 more points to go before 970.

The <font color="red"> July 19th </font> date posted for the next update is a Tuesday and not Monday this time. It didn't dawn on some people that just like your rating is an average between your high and low rounds, that posting an update date that was an average between the earliest and latest date ratings would be posted would also make sense :D

Thank you

My guess is that the next update will include events up thru the weekend of June 18th as long as they get their reports sent in. I'm not sure events on the June 25th weekend will make the cutoff to start the processing.

I plan on playing three A-tiers at this time: DGLO, Michiana, and The Hambrick. So it will have to be two of them as of now. <font color="orange"> Well Ill be playing all of those as well so your going to have to beat me which you havent been very successful at in the past :eek: </font>
Pimples you all ready know that I'm going to win the USADGC this year. <font color="orange"> This would fall under the same thing as above :eek: Plus im winning USADGC and there cant be 2 winners so im sorry </font>
Ratings are up and I'm now at 939 only 31 more points to go before 970. <font color="orange"> Ill bet you I hit 970 before you do :D Will you take that bet??? </font>

someone should have took the ratings bet with Pimp

Mine still jumped 40 points, although a tourney which I did good in on Apr 30th '05, did not get included, that would have bumped a blow up round out of the double weights and I may have had that 60 point jump like I expected.

Oh well, local TD's won't let me play MA2 around here anyway so it doesn't matter. (Not like I want to, I have self respect, I am not sand bagging).

i predict that the doubling of the last 8 round will result in much greater changes in ratings between updates but that we will never know because the doubling will only occur this time and never again!

Doubleing will did not effect me much, I only had 8 rounds rated :D

I am editing this post because I miscalculated, but my point remains the same.


I have to wonder how accurate it really is in rating my recent and current level of skill.




I agree with you Nick. My rating is a classic example of this! I am not saying any of this to bash the rating system, but I absolutely feel that some people put way too much weight in what their rating is. I was one of them, but I will no longer do that. I am going to try not to look at it at all.

My rating is 775 and hasn't changed since Dec. The next update including rounds up to June 18th will probably only have two new tournaments on it for me. Campgaw and Breeze. Campgaw I shot around 820 my second round, but my first round wasn�t rated. A serious problem women in our area have. Not enough gators. It probably would have been around the same at 820. Breeze was probably the absolute worst abomination of a round I have ever played.(Now to be double weighted :mad:) Results aren�t out, but I am guessing probably rated around 720 / 730 (a total guess, it just felt like that). If that is the case, and the next update drops only the rounds below 2.5 sd instead of the worst 15% as this one did, I believe my rating will drop (edited). I only played a couple of tournaments in 2003 so I'm not going to look at them in this, but I joined the PDGA and started playing tournaments only weeks of having ever picked up a disc, (I highly recommend not doing this if ratings are going to be important to you) and played in 25 tournaments, 13 of which were PDGA, in 2004. Not bad for a new DG�er. But it is taking me forever to drop these rounds that are from when I first started playing. That, and a couple of hangover rounds, a round I should not have played with a herniated disc and my abomination round at Breeze will have me at a rating well below what I feel that my level of golf is now (around 800.) You need to analyze my rating details to see what I mean, but I beat women rated much higher than me often, my game has improved tremendously, and now my rating is going to drop or not change. :( In my case, my rating will say absolutely nothing about my level of play.

I agree with this. I think they should prolly just stick with dropping the low 15 percent and doubling the recent 8. Because EVERYONE has bad days and with them only dropping rounds that are 80 points below your rating you would have to have a REALLY REALLY bad day to get a round dropped. It would be nice if they took a survey to see what the membership wanted to do.

The people that care about their rating are the people that play the most tournaments and the ones that don't care only play 2 or 3 tournaments a year. I sure know that a lot of sponsored player care about their ratings since one of the criteria to get sponsored is a good player rating (990+).

I agree with this. I think they should prolly just stick with dropping the low 15 percent and doubling the recent 8. Because EVERYONE has bad days and with them only dropping rounds that are 80 points below your rating you would have to have a REALLY REALLY bad day to get a round dropped. It would be nice if they took a survey to see what the membership wanted to do.


You're just trying to get reed of those 800 rated rounds.

I plan on playing three A-tiers at this time: DGLO, Michiana, and The Hambrick. So it will have to be two of them as of now. <font color="orange"> Well Ill be playing all of those as well so your going to have to beat me which you havent been very successful at in the past :eek: </font>
Pimples you all ready know that I'm going to win the USADGC this year. <font color="orange"> This would fall under the same thing as above :eek: Plus im winning USADGC and there cant be 2 winners so im sorry </font>
Ratings are up and I'm now at 939 only 31 more points to go before 970. <font color="orange"> Ill bet you I hit 970 before you do :D Will you take that bet??? </font>





I hope you bring your A game, since I would hate for you to have an excuse for losing. Like I was sick, or I had a bad day, or I lost my favorite putter.....

Roger did the double weighting before excluding the 15% of rounds. So, some players will have fewer than 8 rounds doubled if any of their dropped rounds are in their most recent 8.

I think i like doubling the last 8 rounds. It helps factor in how well you are playing recently......kind of. :)

How about this?

Because blow ups are relative, ie if I shoot over 54 on my home course, tounament or not, I consider it very bad. The better you get the better your blow ups are .

Drop the lowest 15%, double the last 8 rounds no matter what. Even if one of those rounds were to be in your low 15%, it should not be as bad as a low 15% from a year ago right?

Since I moved up to Advanced, all my round ratings for each tournament have been relatively close to each other in a tournament, i.e. no more then a 40 point spread from top to bottom. But I had one tournament this spring where I had a 70 point swing, yes that was a very bad round and a bad tournament to boot.

I think doubling the latest 8, no matter how low compared to your average can better access how good of a player you are. The better players will have blow ups that are closer to there average and it will show because if a blow up round is doubled for them it will not hurt them as much as a blow up round for a beginner.

How is it that without playing ANY rated rounds whatsoever since the last update, my rating dropped 9 points while those other locals around me that didn't play any rated rounds either saw no drop in their score whatsoever?? Very curious indeed.

I agree with this. I think they should prolly just stick with dropping the low 15 percent and doubling the recent 8. Because EVERYONE has bad days and with them only dropping rounds that are 80 points below your rating you would have to have a REALLY REALLY bad day to get a round dropped. It would be nice if they took a survey to see what the membership wanted to do.



Only pimp would saysomething like this! Why would it matter if like you said "everyone has bad rounds" that we drop them? If everyone has bad rounds, then it wouldn't matter, everyone would still be rated the same compared to everyone else. The only thing that not dropping your lowest 15% will do is lower the ratings of people who are inconsistant and raise the ratings of the players who are more consistant. Isn't that the whole point of the rating system . . . to rate better players higher??? Sorry CB, if you want your rating to raise then you should probably just start playing better, not worry about how they calculate ratings.

Mills, how is it you play that many rounds and haven't gotten a 1000 rated round yet?

He has one from BG doesn't he?

Bowling Green Amateur Championships 02-Apr to 03-Apr-2005 4 49 <font color="red"> 1006 </font> Yes

I love the Cheesy avatar! Must be time for lunch.

The challenge I have with PDGA Player Ratings is not with the calculations themselves but with the frequency of updates.

No one has made a convincing argument as to why we can't update ratings as results come in. I am aware of Chuck's reasons but they are not convincing in my opinion. Specifically that TDs need to have set ratings from which to prereg their players that doesn't change; when that is easy, just lock in the PRs that are sent by the PDGA to the TD prior to the event. Or better yet, lock them in for the year and have folks actually "QUALIFY" for their divisions.

That's a great point Nick. Wouldn't it save time in the long run by updating them as they came in?

The process lends itself to doing the ratings in batches for efficiency. The average PDGA member has only one round per month to process so processing more frequently just adds more volatility to rating for most members. Here's the current sequence:

- TD sends report to PDGA HQ
- Gentry reviews, assigns points and inputs info to the PDGA database
- Gentry bundles stripped down reports and transmits to Roger
- Roger preps a layout database (15-20 events) for the layout people and uploads it to the PDGA server
- A layout person downloads the file and assigns the courses to divisions in a semi-automated process
- Layout person uploads processed file to PDGA server
- Roger downloads completed layout databases and merges them back into the master ratings database
- Once all of the layout batches are completed for an update (7 last update), Roger runs the ratings update process which takes a while for the computer to crunch thru.
- Roger places a preliminary Excel ratings file on the PDGA Ratings Yahoo group for the committee to spot check for errors
- Theo also uploads the ratings database into the development server for the committee to spot check what the events and ratings look like online
- The committee indicates the files look good or not. If not, then Roger makes whatever corrections are indicated and the last few steps are repeated.
- If files are ready to go, Theo uploads the ratings database for the live online display which is what he did last evening

I like my new rating better :D

Playing open for 3 years almost now and just starting to get rid of my amature rating :confused: Or maybe I am just now starting to play like a pro :cool:

Pepper, you are just starting to play like a pro. Nice rating BTW.

No ratings for the Texas Women's Championships??

Why?

Report must have come in after May 3rd.

Report must have come in after May 3rd.



Ah. Could be, given the TD. :D

Ah. Could be, given the TD.





Anyone care to guess what Vinnie's response to that will be??? :) EEEyorrrre EEEyorrrre :D

No ratings for the Texas Women's Championships??

Why?

My sister did not want the ignomy of being the lowest rated Brakel so I pulled some strings.

Only pimp would saysomething like this! Why would it matter if like you said "everyone has bad rounds" that we drop them? If everyone has bad rounds, then it wouldn't matter, everyone would still be rated the same compared to everyone else. The only thing that not dropping your lowest 15% will do is lower the ratings of people who are inconsistant and raise the ratings of the players who are more consistant. Isn't that the whole point of the rating system . . . to rate better players higher??? Sorry CB, if you want your rating to raise then you should probably just start playing better, not worry about how they calculate ratings

Chris - Maybe you were kidding and I missed the humor but I think the reason for the rating system is to find the �average� of all of a players rounds that would be considered normal for that player, not to �rate the better players higher�. Depending on how that is calculated, it may very well benefit one group of people over another, and I believe that is why the calculations are always being worked on. I imagine the goal is to find the best way to do this. One thing I heard discussed was the fact that the new way would help players who are moving up rapidly in their game, to have a more accurate rating. If you look at me as an example, and the Breeze results (which were as I guessed, rated around 735), you will see that if we use the 15% dropped, that tournament would not be used in my calculations, it would be dropped. They were far from �normal� rounds. If you use the 2.5 sd way, those rounds will not only be used, but they will be double weighted. So now I have 4 really bad rounds. If one of the goals is to help advancing players be able to better judge their level of play, and to be able to place them in the correct divisions at tournaments, then you have to consider the statement that you yourself made above. �The only thing that not dropping your lowest 15% will do is lower the ratings of people who are inconsistent and raise the ratings of the players who are more consistent.� Advancing players in general are not as consistent. They are still learning and the consistency comes over time. I think using 2.5 sd over 15% will defeat this purpose, or at least in my case it will. Isn�t it the reason so many of you are so excited that your ratings have gone up further than you thought?

(As discussion points; Not criticism)

The process lends itself to doing the ratings in batches for efficiency. The average PDGA member has only one round per month to process so processing more frequently just adds more volatility to rating for most members. Here's the current sequence:

- TD sends report to PDGA HQ
- Gentry reviews, assigns points and inputs info to the PDGA database
- Gentry bundles stripped down reports and transmits to Roger
- Roger preps a layout database (15-20 events) for the layout people and uploads it to the PDGA server
- A layout person downloads the file and assigns the courses to divisions in a semi-automated process
- Layout person uploads processed file to PDGA server
- Roger downloads completed layout databases and merges them back into the master ratings database
- Once all of the layout batches are completed for an update (7 last update), Roger runs the ratings update process which takes a while for the computer to crunch thru.
- Roger places a preliminary Excel ratings file on the PDGA Ratings Yahoo group for the committee to spot check for errors
- Theo also uploads the ratings database into the development server for the committee to spot check what the events and ratings look like online
- The committee indicates the files look good or not. If not, then Roger makes whatever corrections are indicated and the last few steps are repeated.
- If files are ready to go, Theo uploads the ratings database for the live online display which is what he did last evening



Could you imagine a different process?
1. TD inputs data into an online application directly into a database at PDGA HQ
2. Gentry reviews, assigns points and marks them in the database as approved and notifies the regional results czar that they need to review them for approval.
3. Regional results czar checks results for accuracy and marks them in the database as approved and they go live into the PDGA Player and Course Ratings database
4. An online form is provided for TD/Player disputes, which are forwarded to the regional results czar for resolution.

All of the layout concerns can be programmatically addressed with a drop-down menu for existing layouts generated from a database table, and a text box or online questionnaire for adding a new layout.

The upside of this is that PDGA Player Ratings will be far more timely, the process less cumbersome and more understandable, a system for redress of concerns readily available, and involve more volunteers/lightening the load on current ones.

Perception is important here. I am not talking about substantive changes; but rather a spreading of the responsibilities and a simplification of the process both of which will help with the selling of this product. And make no mistake about it; PDGA Player Ratings are as much, if not more so, a product than is the DGWN magazine.

Lots of coding work that falls behind other PDGA IT priorities. Regional czar reliability and volunteer training issue. Look at the slow moving process to get state coordinators to start course evaluations, for example. And, more importantly, I disagree with more frequent updates as good policy for the intended purpose of the ratings which is to get players competing in the appropriate division. Frankly, I'd be for just providing players with their color range (like the Mid-Nationals) with no rating number. Everyone would be Gold, Blue, White, Red, Green, or Purple. Easier on TDs and ratings admin.

Ratings sell memberships. The first tournament after a ratings upgrade the members will all be talking about their new rating and non-members will be asking Jon or I, "How do I get a rating?"

You can get a color from Sherwin-Williams. :p

I've not read ALL that is here on ratings...but how about 2 ratings. One rating for a more current measure...and then a 'lifetime' type of rating, or perhaps to show one's tendencies if they've played for 2 or 3 years...?

I'm just kidding of course about taking away the ratings numbers in lieu of colors (in case anyone, including those at PDGA HQ, are having a heart attack). My point though is that players read way more into the numbers than their precision merits from a statistical standpoint. It's unclear whether a 10-point change in someone's rating actually means they are getting better/worse or is just normal fluctuation. The more rounds they have, the more likely the change is a trend. But we have players whose rating is based on 100 rounds down to 2. So, the same rating for two players might mean quite different things in terms of how they got there and where they are headed.

So, just get out there and throw. Do your best. We'll track your stats and tell you where you were, but it won't necessarily tell where you're going. Only you can control that.

Is there any chance your going to take a vote from the membership to see if they want to drop the low 15 percent or use this new method??? If we use the new method I would NEVER have a round dropped because I have NEVER in my life shot a round that was 80 points below my rating. Everyone has bad days why not get those out of the equation and average what a player NORMALY shoots??? Whats the reasoning behind only dropping ratinsg that are 80 points below your rating??? I mean I think that will promote people that are playing bad to play WORSE just so that round will be dropped and not affect their rating. I can see it now. Guys on the last 2 holes are 5 and 7 putting just to make sure the horrible round they just shot gets dropped. Now does that make much sence (sp?) Why not just drop the low 15 so that the bad days are weeded out???

Just want to thank the ratings group. It must be hard to please every person. I know I have a hard time just pleasing one person. (Mrs. Kozak) Anyway, keep up the good work. I will do the same.

Dropping 15% has been the primary reason that has lead players to feel they get better ratings on the same course when they play with a higher rated rather than lower rated pool of players. Using all of a player's rounds will help solve that problem. Doubling a player's most recent 8 rounds also deals with it. Most of the changes in the new calculations are being done so that the same SSA is generated for a course layout regardless whether the propagators average 980 or 850. That has not been the case under the current system, sometimes with a difference up to 20 points.

Players should have no problem with a player tanking a round by enough throws to get their round rating thrown out. All that does is keep their rating artificially higher than their 'real' rating. That helps everyone. The real problem is players who tank just enough to keep all of their "bad" rounds in an attempt to lower their rating and bag. We shouldn't be worried about this because the cost of entering events to tank your rating enough to compete in a lower division will likely not be recovered by winning more in a lower division. And winning there will boost their rating back up a level.

My point though is that players read way more into the numbers than their precision merits from a statistical standpoint. It's unclear whether a 10-point change in someone's rating actually means they are getting better/worse or is just normal fluctuation........... So, just get out there and throw. Do your best. We'll track your stats and tell you where you were, but it won't necessarily tell where you're going. Only you can control that.



See even Chuck says ratings really don't mean squat for where you are at now and going in the future of your game. If I am playing against someone, and that day I shoot good and they shoot bad. Well that means I beat them. Ratings do not come into the picture.

Ratings are like "par", they do not factor into who wins or loses. It is who ever takes the least amount of shots during the tournament to finish the courses that determines who wins the tournament. :D :p

At the risk of feeling the sting of your ignore button, please explain/back up two of your statements:

"Dropping 15% has been the primary reason that has lead players to feel they get better ratings on the same course when they play with a higher rated rather than lower rated pool of players."

<font color="purple"> huh??? the rating is calculated before the 15% drop... so the fact that a round is dropped has nothing to do with who you played against. playing in a pool of higher rated players DOES result in a higher rating than shooting the same score in a pool of lower rated players - if the other scores are the same.</font>

"Most of the changes in the new calculations are being done so that the same SSA is generated for a course layout regardless whether the propagators average 980 or 850. That has not been the case under the current system, sometimes with a difference up to 20 points."

<font color="purple"> what happens over time as players get better, technology helps to lower scores, natural course obstacles (trees, erosion, etc) and so on... if the SSA is set once and then held as sacrosanct we could be living in denial within a few years.</font>

We've spent several pages among our ratings group on this and I'll back it up in detail later. The bottom line is that on average, the system up to this time over rates higher rated propagators and under rates lower rated propagators. This leads to the SSA differential.

Chuck knows what he's talking about, leave him alone already!

i've no doubt of that at all. i shall look forward to his synopsis when it comes.

Thank you Chuck for doing our ratings and dealing with our constant complaints.

Just want to thank the ratings group. It must be hard to please every person. I know I have a hard time just pleasing one person. (Mrs. Kozak) Anyway, keep up the good work. I will do the same.



Kozak, any chance you're related to Tom Kozak of Alaska??!!

Was May 1st the cut-off date?

Top Ratings. (http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings.php)

...Schweb's posts are slightly less rated, now. :o

...Christopher Brophy has been @ 998 nigh every single time I've looked, for the last 4-so years, and yes he plays regularly, albeit not-as-often, now-a-days. :cool:

Actually, the golf rating went up 3 points, nad the Post Rating went up 1 point.

Up to what date will the July ratings have tournaments results in the update? Thanks.

Boobs, that was one of the craziest aces i have ever seen! that was incredible

yea that ace with his 'ROC' was only about 200' farther than any ace I've ever hit!

What park, what hole?

Hole 1 at Waterworks, I think he said it was 508' it also was a practice shot during the storm while the round had been postpond, why he was out there even throwing, I don't know :p

Hole 1 at Waterworks, I think he said it was 508' it also was a practice shot during the storm while the round had been postpond, why he was out there even throwing, I don't know :p



.....cuz he's got big boobs! Nice ace boobs!~

Thanks Jared, it was a dream ace, I sill can't believe it happened, thanks John and Chris.

I'm pissssssed! How the hell did that basket catch your ace and not my putt on the 71st hole of the tourney. I was 400 feet closer than you were....F'in cost me $70 and gave Brad and Justin $120 more than they would have got, plus 20 NT points, which will probably cost me even more money down the road once the final point totals are counted for the NT Series.

BOOBS your one lucky bastad, NICE shot tho! ;)

I'm pissssssed! How the hell did that basket catch your ace and not my putt on the 71st hole of the tourney. I was 400 feet closer than you were....F'in cost me $70 and gave Brad and Justin $120 more than they would have got, plus 20 NT points, which will probably cost me even more money down the road once the final point totals are counted for the NT Series.

BOOBS your one lucky bastad, NICE shot tho!



Me thinks BOOBS has better kharma then you Kev. Maybe its because he doesnt talk any CRAP and you talk enough crap for ALL the touring pros :eek: :D

Thanks Jared, it was a dream ace, I sill can't believe it happened, thanks John and Chris.


That is insane, i shouldnt have left early...there was this kid in my group that said you deuced #18 at Rosedale in the long position (the hole with the tennis court to the left)-is this true? If so, what did you throw??

The only reason your mad is cuz I go out and back it up ;)

11 tournies $6GRRRRRRRRR Thats $550 a weekend, now move up so I can get it up to $600 a weekend :D

I through the new Starfire, the SL in Champion plastic was about 40ft out and hit the putt. But I bet I coud only do that about 1 out of 15 times maybe.

Does through = threw in Russian?

Just wondering - See you in two weeks (*)(*)s.

Threw, my bad it's been a long weekend.

Nice ace boobs. That is my favorite hole in all of disc golf. I've almost aced it with a flash...but it went about 80 past. Then I almost aced it again with another flash (next shot) and it went about 120 past and down the hill. Who would have though I could outthrow a 508 foot hole by 120 feet! Sure it's crazy downhill...but whatever.

Thanks man.

I have one for Chuck:

Will the following tournies be in the books in time for the ratings update:

Star City Shoot Out (B Tier) - Lincoln NE - May 28th and 29th
Greater Des Moines Challenge (AM A Tier) - Des Moines IA - June 18th and 19th
Mid America Open (B Tier) - Columbia MO - June 25th and 26th

Thanks!!

Also Michiana Open? :confused:

good shooting up there - way to finally not suck

Yeah i know but check out that third round. :D:D

Yeah i know but check out that third round. :D:D



But look at the final round ya bagger!! Nice going Matt!!

My bet is that by next years worlds, Gateway will have 3 1000 rated golfers under 18!! (You, Dario and Double G!!!)

Yeah i know but check out that third round. :D:D



But look at the final round ya bagger!! Nice going Matt!!

My bet is that by next years worlds, Gateway will have 3 1000 rated golfers under 18!! (You, Dario and Double G!!!)

That would be sweet. :D

Does anybody know what determines how quickly a tournament gets updated on the players profile page?

When the PDGA receives the official TD report and then updates their results. Usually monthly.

The cutoff date for events to be in this ratings update was Friday, June 24th. Reports had to be to Dave Gentry by then.

That really sucks then because my rating will be dropping instead of going up just because of the cutoff date. :confused: :confused:

Actually, it'll drop because some rounds you played were below your rating.

whens the next ratings update?

The cutoff date for events to be in this ratings update was Friday, June 24th. Reports had to be to Dave Gentry by then.



So that means my 1010 rated round at DGLO (which by the way got a way WEAK rating) wont be in the new update???

Actually, it'll drop because some rounds you played were below your rating.

No I played above my rating at Michiana and Columbia but since they didn't make the deadline I will drop. :o