Bout time someone started a thread for this tournament. Who else is ready. I know i'm looking forward to my fourth trip to one of my favorite tournaments.

Interesting History:
Last two years the person that has tagged along with me and Princess Jenny has been in the final nine(2006 Matt Halton Smith, 2007 Ronnie Huffman) anyone want a ride from NC? :)
First round last two years i've played with Alan biggs Sweeton.

cant wait to see everyone.

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TUB SUN

... ? spelling ? ...

LOL!!!

Can you say typo? :D:D

Considering the winds, it may not be...

Looking forward to my first BG experience. Heard nothing but good things about this tourney.

The title spelling refers to the big payouts, right? Or is it the cost to attend?

I thought that the tournament was VERY affordable! I was in Bowling Green from Wednesday to Sunday. I don't think that I spent much over $250.

I think he was referring to the winds. The Full Color FLX disc referred to it as Blowing Green AMs...

I thought it was because they legalized prostitution there??

not a spelling error. it's always very windy out there. i've heard several locals refer to the area as Blowing Green as well.

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If you are going to have a poll why only have 2 courses? There are LOTS of courses!!!

My guess would be because two years ago we played lovers lane and last year they switched us to the other course outside bowling green. I hope we get to play Lovers this year.

Franklin is way more of a test then lovers so in that case i would have to say the highest divison which i think is expert divison or advanced should play this course and it was not even that far of a drive to the course

Any idea on what divisions are going to be offered this time considering the new divisional breaks?

I know a flyer will be up at some point but, is there usually two rounds, plus finals and awards on Sunday? What time do playas usually get out of town? I'm trying to decide whether to take that friday, monday or both off.

EDIT: Is there going to be a $10 temp member fee option?

I would recommend taking off both days but you will be leaving around 5 or 6 that night if you live close to bowling green then take only fri off.

There is no temp memberships for A tiers you must be a PDGA member to play.

Gracias Senor.

Bowling Green is a great event. I went last year, got a great player pack worth almost the entire entry fee and a decent pre-determined payout. Courses were fun, with the exception of me going from 5th place to 32nd place after the final round at White Park. Hobson Park is da shiznit.....great course for left-handers like myself.

I know a flyer will be up at some point but, is there usually two rounds, plus finals and awards on Sunday? What time do playas usually get out of town? I'm trying to decide whether to take that friday, monday or both off.

EDIT: Is there going to be a $10 temp member fee option?



We (the people in my group from Michigan) got into town on Wednesday & left after 1/2 of the final 9 on Sunday. We got home 3am or so in the morning. So, I would recommend taking Monday off if you live far away. I would also recommend getting there early to get a practice round in on all 4 of the courses that will be playing on.

I think the AMs should be allowed at least one sweet course. Like Lovers.

I thought it was because they legalized prostitution there??



Us local BG boys tried, but failed. For now we just have to settle checking out the "scenery" that runs around Kereiakes :Dbut we're still not going to complain about that! And yes, Blowing Green is appropriate!

Lovers would be just fine with me! rWc

"That boring course," Do you think that will influence the way people vote? I personally really enjoyed that "boring course," in fact it was my favorite, but then again I really enjoy courses where distance is a factor. Those holes by the River where awesome.

I think between the 4 courses we played last year in Am1 it was a really nice contrast and they complimented one another really well. The opposite example would be the short, and very similar not so memorable and definitely uninspiring courses at Am Worlds this year. Not much of the excitement factor to be found on any of the courses. Most of the holes where sub 300 feet, so when I parked a hole I felt like it was expected, and when I didn't I was simply disappointed in myself. There weren't any exciting holes that got your blood flowing at Am Worlds; unless the thought of possibly getting shot is exciting?

Think about the holes along the river at Franklin. Starting with the short one straight down the hill with the river right behind the basket only to set you up for the subsequent series of long holes that are not only gorgeous but very tricky. The old growth trees, the required shot selection and placement, as well as focus all being major factors. Choose poorly, loose focus for a hole and your going OB and quite possibly saying "bye bye," to your disc; risk reward.

Keep Franklin in the mix!

I have never played Lovers, but I hear its not that special. I have played 7 of the 8 courses used in the tourney, enjoyed all of them but Franklin is one of my favorite courses at BG. Franklin, is very distinct and allows for some real golfing. It requires good drives upshots and putting, not just a good upshot followed by a putt. You better bring all facets of your game especially mental when you play Franklin. Great course.

One way I like to judge courses is by how memorable they are. I would have to say that some of the most exciting golf I played and/or saw this year and last year at BGAM Champs was at Franklin. I saw some great shots there that really got people excited. In my opinion Franklin is a great course capable of show casing the current disc golf game.

Well put
Franklin is a monster. With the wind in Bowling Green it can
really be a challenge.

It requires good drives upshots and putting



translation throw, approach, tap in, repeat. the course did have some fun holes. however the majority of the holes had distances that were just a touch to long for advanced. i recall 10/11 holes i would get a good drive and be 50ft short for a "to far to putt take a 3 situation". and last year I was throwing 375-400 with decent accuracy.

it just seems to be a course that only rewards about 5% of advanced golfers that throw very far. a better course for intermediate where the majority of int. golfers have a drive and are still faced with a tricky 150ish upshot. it makes the 3 the goal instead of the norm as it is for advanced golfers.

I'll be there regardless and play where Larry tells me, just wanted to point out there are golfers that would prefer the Lovers Lane course.

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It requires good drives upshots and putting



translation throw, approach, tap in, repeat. the course did have some fun holes. however the majority of the holes had distances that were just a touch to long for advanced. i recall 10/11 holes i would get a good drive and be 50ft short for a "to far to putt take a 3 situation". and last year I was throwing 375-400 with decent accuracy.

it just seems to be a course that only rewards about 5% of advanced golfers that throw very far. a better course for intermediate where the majority of int. golfers have a drive and are still faced with a tricky 150ish upshot. it makes the 3 the goal instead of the norm as it is for advanced golfers.

I'll be there regardless and play where Larry tells me, just wanted to point out there are golfers that would prefer the Lovers Lane course.

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I say what I mean, and I don't need you to translate for me, thanks though. Maybe we should play Franklin from the longs. That would be cool. Also why would any course be "too long for Ams?" I dont understand the seemingly pervasive "if I can't duece it, I dont like it," opinion, not that your saying that but I hear it a lot, and it kind of sounds like it. A championship level course should have 2 par 5's, 8 par 4's, and the rest par 3's or at least something close to that. (See Moraine State Park, Idlewild, Deis Hill, etc.) Shorter courses are fun to play with a girlfriend, a casual round, with buddies, or on a lunch break, but certainly not for a major championship level event, don't you agree?

I enjoyed Franklin much more playing it the second time (during competition vs playing it on friday). My issue was more that I missed Lovers since it's by far the most picturesque course in Bowling green.

The reason that I think Lovers Lane should replace Franklin is that it balances the 4 courses MA1 plays better. Last year when we played White, Hobson, Keriakas, and Franklin we played 3 long difficult courses and 1 short birdie fest (granted a difficult short course) It made Hobson feel out balance with the other three courses.

Playing White, Hobson, Lovers, and Keriakas gives more balance (IMO), you have 2 difficult courses (White and Keriakas) and 2 courses with many birdie oppourtunities (Lovers and Hobson).

Admittedly Hobson is not my favorite course and honestly I'd rather not play it (too much like home). Ideally I'd like MA1 to play Franklin, Lovers, White and Keriakas (and not Hobson)

Though it all reality for me BG is not about which courses we play but 4 days of traveling and golfing and meeting new people.

$0.02

The switch to Franklin last year was because of the demand from Adv. players looking for a more challenging course other than Lovers Lane. Plus some didnt think it was fair for the Int. to drive to two out of town courses. But hopefully we will get our brand new course installed in time, and if we do, trust me, it's going to be a SICK course!!!

Something sweet in the works huh? Its such a great Tourney, and area for DG hard to imagine it being better. However, theres always room for improvement no matter how good something seems to be. Good luck getting that new course in!

It requires good drives upshots and putting



translation throw, approach, tap in, repeat. the course did have some fun holes. however the majority of the holes had distances that were just a touch to long for advanced. i recall 10/11 holes i would get a good drive and be 50ft short for a "to far to putt take a 3 situation". and last year I was throwing 375-400 with decent accuracy.

it just seems to be a course that only rewards about 5% of advanced golfers that throw very far. a better course for intermediate where the majority of int. golfers have a drive and are still faced with a tricky 150ish upshot. it makes the 3 the goal instead of the norm as it is for advanced golfers.

I'll be there regardless and play where Larry tells me, just wanted to point out there are golfers that would prefer the Lovers Lane course.

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I say what I mean, and I don't need you to translate for me, thanks though. Maybe we should play Franklin from the longs. That would be cool. Also why would any course be "too long for Ams?" I dont understand the seemingly pervasive "if I can't duece it, I dont like it," opinion, not that your saying that but I hear it a lot, and it kind of sounds like it. A championship level course should have 2 par 5's, 8 par 4's, and the rest par 3's or at least something close to that. (See Moraine State Park, Idlewild, Deis Hill, etc.) Shorter courses are fun to play with a girlfriend, a casual round, with buddies, or on a lunch break, but certainly not for a major championship level event, don't you agree?



I love challenging courses with par 4s, and 5s. the problem is franklin isn't one of those courses. they have long pro par 3s that the majority of Advanced golfers cant get to. they aren't par 4s just boring 3s. like you said drive, approach, putt(your welcome)

due to travel time, i have only played the layout we played last year. the long pads may be better, but you also have to take into account the logistics of time to play and travel. it's kind of a busy weekend.

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Something sweet in the works huh? Its such a great Tourney, and area for DG hard to imagine it being better. However, theres always room for improvement no matter how good something seems to be. Good luck getting that new course in!



Yeah, it's going to take alot of luck since we're working on a shoe string budget, but we may be able to receive a $20,000 grant from our tourism committee so let's hope we do get it. The new course is planned for 18 holes, but it's also set up for a potential 27 hole course. And we have a design for a one of a kind tee-box. You may tell yourself, "wow, a teebox!" but once you see it (if we finish it) you're gonna be wow-ed indeed!

I want to keep stressing the "if we finish it" so dont tell all your buddies that we're debuting a new course. We're working hard but not 100% guaranteed we will complete it.

True dat,it is a very busy weekend. I havent played the longs either, but they look fun.

What about AM1s. If you take lovers lane from us, what will we get??

What about AM1s. If you take lovers lane from us, what will we get??



Franklin was the substitution for MA1's last year. Whether or not it happens again is up to Ernie the TD. I'm hoping if we finish the new course the Adv players will get to play Phil Moore (the new one), Kerieakes, Hobson Grove, and White.

Kereiakes, Hobson and White are pretty much a given for Adv. as its always been that way. It's Franklin and Lovers Lane that the divisions need to look out for because those 2 could change again.

I didnt like Franklin because Hole 1 I hite 3 of 4 times I threw it and the time during the round I hite the cage and rolled under the playground for sure a heartbreaker.

that was disgusting for sure. banged metal 3 times then the round started banged the basket again caught and edge and ended up under the slide o.b. Boooo Franklin how one of those shots did not go in i have no idea

Ok, I see there are people pre-regged now. Is that only mail ins? Where's the online Reg? I'm ready to register already damnit.

Supposed to be offered by the PDGA somewhere on this site. But to pass on some important info...

The field will be limited to the first 720 registered players.

***Registration will close March 15, 2008***

You can snail mail to the following address...

BG Amateur Championships, PO Box 9501, Bowling Green, KY 42102

Please include the following...
Your name, division, PDGA #, shirt size

The rest of the info can be found at our new website...

www.BGDGClub.com (http://www.BGDGClub.com)

My question may already be answered in a prior post, but momma never learned me how to read. Will the advanced/expert field be playing Franklin? I've never played this tournament but I did go to BG a few months back and played all of the courses. I loved Franklin and Kerieakes. I was hoping to get another shot at both and wasn't sure which division to register for. Any further information on the courses that we will be playing would be greatly appreciated.

My question may already be answered in a prior post, but momma never learned me how to read. Will the advanced/expert field be playing Franklin? I've never played this tournament but I did go to BG a few months back and played all of the courses. I loved Franklin and Kerieakes. I was hoping to get another shot at both and wasn't sure which division to register for. Any further information on the courses that we will be playing would be greatly appreciated.



Not for a few months. It's the TD's call and he'll probably keep all of us in the club in the dark as well.

If I go ahead and sign up can I change divisions when the pools are announced? This will be my only BG tournament and I'd like to take full advantage of my time there.

As bad as it may sound, I'm signing up as recreational, to stay within the guidelines given by the PDGA.

Oh Well, Ill improve someday
Mini Thumber

I think they are only offering Advanced and Intermediate like last year. At least that is what I saw on the page when I looked last. That will make for a smaller advanced group I think

Thats too bad, with so many under 899 rated

There will be all 3, ADV, INT, and REC as well as all age protected divisions including JR. The flyer is up on the front page of BGDGClub.com

From their website:

Bowling Green Amatuer Championships 2008
The 2008 BG Amateur Championships will be held on March 29-30, 2008

The field will be limited to the first 720 registered players.

***Registration will close March 15, 2008***

Registration will be handled on-line through the PDGA

or by mailing your name, division, PDGA #, shirt size and check to:

BG Amateur Championships, PO Box 9501, Bowling Green, KY 42102

***2008 Entry Fees***

Advanced*(player rating of 935 or above must play advanced) - $55

Intermediate*(player rating below 934 can play either division) -$35

Recreational (player rating below 900 can player either division) - $35

Junior - $25

*Includes - Masters, Grandmasters, Senior Grandmasters (males&females)

Lodging: Best Western - 270-782-3800

Microtel - 270-745-9922

**Mention BG Am Championships for tournament rate**

I'm there then, Ill play where my rating is. Still a rating update between now and then.

I would love to play my rating, but that happens to be the only division they aren't offering.

But hypotheticly:

Me and three of my buddies send in our registration and specify "Novice" as our division.

According to the 2007 Competition Manual Section 2.1.I:


A Tournament Director may, by giving adequate public
notice, restrict the divisions offered. Absent such notice,
the director shall offer for competition any division which
has four or more players that are eligible and wishing to
compete. Tournament Directors may offer divisions with
less than four players at their discretion.




This could change in the 2008 version. Does anyone know if the TD has given public notice that the Novice Division has been restricted?

Just my 2 cents, but if it is a santioned event, shouldn't ALL divisions be offered just to be fair?

Having 3 divisions will make figuring out the pools that much more fun then!

is there online reg for this anywhere?

Michigan is gonna rep strong

Pretty certain that the PDGA on-line registration that they and a lot of other people (myself included) is not operational or online as of yet...

Coming soon...

BG-AMs Fund Raiser Disc

Don't miss out limited edition tournament discs available soon!

http://bgdgclub.com//images/stories/bgam_disc/discdesignbgam08.jpg

What are they raising funds for?

Come on Bruce. It doesn't matter, just buy one, your helping some cause I'm sure of it LOL. Maybe it's to recruit Kentucky Basketball Players LOL

Mini Thumber

What are they raising funds for?



To run the biggest weekend tournament in disc golf? That's a serious feat.

Imagine if they limited it to 4 courses... Instead, they are expanding beyond course capacity, to the point where they now have what, 8 courses, and they use a couple temporary courses? Imagine if there were 10 clubs around the country running similar events... We might have something there. I bet it's a lot easier to get big outside sponsorship when you show 800 players, vs 90.

These guys are creating something that will benefit us all.

When do you think these fundraiser discs will be available? and are they going to be Discraft, Innova, or both? Thanks

I hate to say but this year I dont think I'm going to be able to make it because I go to the gayest high school ever and they made prom on the night of 4 sport activities and on the same weekend as Bowling Green

I hate to say but this year I dont think I'm going to be able to make it because I go to the gayest high school ever and they made prom on the night of 4 sport activities and on the same weekend as Bowling Green



Who needs school anyway? Granted I went but I spent most of my time occupying various administration buildings... smoking a lot of thai stick... breaking into the ROTC... and bowling. To tell you the truth justin main, I don't remember most of it.

"Advanced*(player rating of 935 or above must play advanced) - $55

Intermediate*(player rating below 934 can play either division) -$35 "

I hope the new ratings based division guidelines doesn't make the Adv. field smaller. Personally finishing in the top 100 in Adv. last year was way more rewarding than any finish in the top 15 of Int. the year before. At least you get to play with people who know the rules, not to mention the personal satisfaction that comes with knowing you competed against the best Am's in the world and see how you stack up against them.
I encourage all players to play Advanced, you'll feel a lot better, and have a better experience even if you get smoked! You'll play the best of the courses, and besides its cheap. Am worlds was 110 bucks. Lets try and have one enormous division of about 600 people, lol! That would put a wrench in the pool assignments.

Problem Solved, Bring your date to the course, Ill play some music, you can dance or do whatever, and we'll start the tournament.

Next, does anybody know if an Recreation division for those under 900 will be available?

Mini Thumber

From what the flyer said no

rock

the flyer on their website says they are offering rec and the cost is the same as Int. $35

: ) :

When do you think these fundraiser discs will be available? and are they going to be Discraft, Innova, or both? Thanks



I don't have any answers to that but I did see your funny looking mug right in the middle of it... :eek:


Disc Design (http://bgdgclub.com//content/view/46/2/)

You figured out why I want it Jon :D. Actually Im in the group pic by the T in amateur also. Boo yah! Depending on what type of discs they are going to be run on, I may get two and put one in the bag and store the other.

Merry Christmas all, and thanks for the card Ron!

Looks like we will be out at Lovers Lane again this year, probably running two sets of doubles on Friday as well. We'll have a sweet players package for doubles as we've done in the past.

I love coming to and being part of this event! The buzz and excitement that this tournament creates resonates for the rest of the spring and into summer and really gets the season going. To be able to offer this tournament (and subsequently, the Pro leg) to disc golfers is a true gift from the Bowling Green community.

Glad you got the card Mike! Im not playing am anymore, but Im sure I'll be there in BG. I should be able to help you out atleast one day if needed. Just let me know.

I was too lazy to read to see if this has been posted already; but I heard that Keriakes is getting new larger teepads installed. Makes me happy to hear.

I was too lazy to read to see if this has been posted already; but I heard that Keriakes is getting new larger teepads installed. Makes me happy to hear.



Yes, we are finishing the remaining teepads, and adding a few benches around the course as well.

Online registration is finally up!!!

http://www.pdgasignup.com

Click the link March 2008

Check out that rating on that dude in recreation. He is good.
I think it is supposed to be Pdga # 23322

Mini Thumber

How much Baggin' can be done in Bowling Green this year?

Lots of choices in the drop down box if I use the online regstration:

http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=009&DEPT=1196929488&BACK=A0001A1

Tha age old question of to bag or not to bag....Hmmmmmmm

I don't care what courses I play - just give me the ones where I can bag.... 2008 - Year of the Bagger !!!

I didn't think there was such a thing as an Intermediate Master. I thought they were just baggers :p :D :p

I cant believe they are offering that many divisions. The TDs of Bowling Green are going to have there hands full trying to figure out who plays on what course. The more divisions you have the bigger the problem.

I am down with setting up a temp course around all of the hotels and just partying. I want to play in that division.

I want to either be in the green blowing, orRecreationalAdvanceedIntermediateGrandmasterBagg er Division

Mini Thumber

Can whoever started this discussion, or a moderator or an admin, please fix the Subject line? It's tragic to keep perpetuating that as a label for a great event.

Terry, i can't edit a post after this much time.

and BGDG recognized blowing green as a nick name, even printed it up on a few discs for events.

and if they care, there are enough of them on here to ask for it to be changed.

: ) :

Blowing Green is very appropriate, and we certainly dont mind it at all.

2 Questions: If we use snail mail, to whom do we make the checks out?

Second, are the new ratings for the divisions going to be enforced? The reason I ask is that there is currently a guy pre-registered for the REC division who has a 933 rating and accumulated over 800 points in ADVANCED last year.

We pathetic AM3s need to be protected from you bagging monsters!

they put the wrong PDGA number for Rocky Geist, he's not 933 rated, i hope :)

: ) :

Chill Out Lyke, that is not his rating, might be how many months old he is, but I know the dude. Just put in the wrong pdga #. 933 could be how good looking he is on a scale of 1000, or it could be how many ladies he has made smile.

See ya in BG

Mini Thumber

or it could be how many thumbers he has thrown this past week! :D

Thats probably more accurate Snapp. He does like to throw the Thumber.

Mini Thumber ;)

Bowling Green, sorry for the beatdown you are about to recieve on Jan. 6th :D:D

The mayors of Tulsa and Bowling Green are making a friendly wager on this Sunday's GMAC Bowl. Tulsa Mayor Kathy Taylor and Bowling Green Mayor John Quinn are wagering a little 'green', meaning trees. The winning city of the GMAC Bowl will receive a dozen trees to be planted in city parks.

"Parks are an important quality of life issue," says Quinn. "They are at the core of our community and our civic pride."

Tulsa could use some trees right now.

"In light of the extensive damage to Tulsa's urban forest from the December ice storm, this seemed an appropriate wager to make," Taylor says. "With the loss of so many trees, it is definitely time to re-green Tulsa."

The GMAC Bowl will be played Sunday evening at Ladd-Peebles Stadium in Mobile, Alabama and will be nationally televised by ESPN at 7 p.m.

It's the third straight season Tulsa will be going to a bowl game

Bowling Green University is in Bowling Green Ohio

Oops. Well in that case Bowling Green Ohio is going DOWN! :D

Look at the rating spread in Intermediate 783-928. Are we going to divide this division up into Rec, and Int, or is it going to be 300 strong.

Mini Thumber

Hopefully it's a full 360.
I'd even be happy to see ghost holes if it means we get more than that.

By looking at the numbers, last year there were about 400 players under a 935 rating. So with the new rating for division, If players don't play within there rating, then this could be a huge group.

Mini Thumber

So, what are players looking at for the number of discs in the players pack this year?

So, what are players looking at for the number of discs in the players pack this year?



Too early to tell at the moment. I'm sure the manufacturers would want to pump out some new stuff first.

Last year there were "X" number of discs to the first "X" that pre-registered. I did not know if there was something like that again this year is all. :)

Well since it's only limited to 720 this year (which I strongly disagree with) I would be positive that everyone would get the same pack.

"Shorter courses are fun to play with a girlfriend, a casual round, with buddies, or on a lunch break, but certainly not for a major championship level event, don't you agree? " Hmmm............

FREE ENTRY available for BG am event.

Ams-1 Free Am Entry for $100 sponsor. Includes player name, sponsor name/logo on a lamenated color 8 1/2 x 11 sign, you choose the tee. It will stay up through the Am and NT events. Sponsor will aslo be included in our first color program for the largest disc golf tournament in the world.
This offer will end in the begining of March sometime, so we can get our printing done.
The BG Disc Golf Club is now incorporated as a not-for-profit organization, and have a tax id# if you need it.

Please contact Josh Dobelstein at [email protected]

The club meet last night and we have some awsom plans for the event. Back are the great players packages, fly mart, and players party with catered BBQ , added will be a new course, upgrades on existing courses, new location for check in by a course, and the ability for players to pick their own prizes from the club inventory.

Sign up now to e sure you get in. The hotels noted on the web page are giving a kickback, so please use them if possible.

Keep an eye on bgdgc for latest info . . . .

Looks like a good start to the course gallery at bgdgclub.com, finish it!

Local 101 disc golf club in the Ann Arbor/ Detroit area has Kereiakes pics on their website. Any one have pics of, or know of somewhere people can see, the other courses
http://www.local101dg.com/

nice! here is a more direct link.

Keriakes (http://www.local101dg.com/courses.php?locationID=13)

thanks for the reminder

nice! here is a more direct link.

Keriakes (http://www.local101dg.com/courses.php?locationID=13)

You see that dog on hole #1, he's actually on the tee sign. He usually doesn'y wonder very far.

thanks for the reminder

so with the new rules, are pros rated low enough allowed to play in the BG amateur champoinships?

if so do you think many will take advantage of this opportunity and play down?

also, is there any limit to each division, or could potentially one division reach 500+?

I will prob play again just beacuse i have to play advanced at worlds but i am sure i will catch alot of trash talk even though i didnt feel like i even played that good but it was still a heck of a experince with all the camera's following me sunday :cool:and i still cant beileve that putt didnt raise up in the 30 mile an hour headwind :mad:

What courses will advanced masters be playing in 2008?

www.sdgc.com (http://www.sdgc.com)

Too early to tell at the moment.

so with the new rules, are pros rated low enough allowed to play in the BG amateur champoinships?

if so do you think many will take advantage of this opportunity and play down?

also, is there any limit to each division, or could potentially one division reach 500+?



?

yes
yes
hopefully no

Unless, they got a special waiver from the PDGA, it would have to follow the normal rules for an A- Tier.

I am sure that some will.

If you look as to how registration is panning out, you will see that it would be impossible for 500 in 1 division out of the ~700 registrations spots possible.

Any player rated below 970 can play advanced.

There should be a limit on some division, if one division can fill more than 4 courses how can you do the math to make sure everyone plays the same courses. You cant so I would think there would be a cap of any division of a max of 360 if there are 5 somes on every hole or 288 with 4 somes.

If you add two ghost holes to each course you could have 400 in one division.

The point of having 8 courses is not to have ghost groups. You got to remember that you play a course once if a set of players have a ghost group and the other doesnt it will take the set of player with the ghost groups longer and timing could be off. Adv should be the biggest division on four courses and the other division should be divided between the other four course.

Probably the reason for capping it is so we can accomodate for the divisions w/o having ghost groups. I was in a ghost group last year and I had to wait over 30 mins. Just to play my first hole.

I also was in a ghost group last year. Honestly, after the first hole where we had to wait for the "real" group to tee off, we never noticed any difference.

Here is a question. If BG Ams is adding a ninth course, Phil Moore, couldn't the registration accommodate 810 players (without even needing ghost groups)? If so, why is the registration capped at 720?

Lyle

I think they mentioned that they are unsure if the course will be ready in time for the tournament, but I don't want to speak on anyone's behalf.

From the Bowling Green website

We plan on havingthe Advanced play the hardest courses, but the details will not be determined untill we have a better feel for the number registered in each division.
Hardest in area are Franklin (long tees), White, Kereiakes long tees, Hobson, and the new park. So pratice these 5 and you will be safe as an Advanced Open!

We will likely drop Edmonson County's park with the addition of Phil Moore Park (the new one) from the rotation of 8 courses.

But, no final plans for a while.

From the Bowling Green website
We will likely drop Edmonson County's park with the addition of Phil Moore Park (the new one) from the rotation of 8 courses.



Yeah!!

Not only was that Edmonson course a ways out, but I could not find routes to the baskets on half the holes.

One of the guys in our group dubbed this course "Shall Be It" instead of Chalybeate - As in close your eyes and throw, wherever you disc lands .. shall be it!!

Looking forward to not having to play that course again, I just could not figure it out.

Chalybeate would def. make a good Rec. course, but that's about it. I truly hope though that Adv. doesnt have to play the Long Tee's at Franklin. That's just cruel and inhumane, esp. considering we played the shorts last year.

From the Bowling Green website
We will likely drop Edmonson County's park with the addition of Phil Moore Park (the new one) from the rotation of 8 courses.



Yeah!!

Not only was that Edmonson course a ways out, but I could not find routes to the baskets on half the holes.

One of the guys in our group dubbed this course "Shall Be It" instead of Chalybeate - As in close your eyes and throw, wherever you disc lands .. shall be it!!

Looking forward to not having to play that course again, I just could not figure it out.



There was only one hole at Chalybeate that fits that description IMO
I say keep Chalybeate, it was the most diverse course Am 2 gets to play.

Typically, Rec would play the short courses I would think. Then the big arms can distance it out.

Mini Thumber

I will prob play again just beacuse i have to play advanced at worlds but i am sure i will catch alot of trash talk even though i didnt feel like i even played that good but it was still a heck of a experince with all the camera's following me sunday :cool:and i still cant beileve that putt didnt raise up in the 30 mile an hour headwind :mad:



You finished second last year in one of the most prestigious and competitive tourney's in the disc golf world, and your still Am? What happened? Not enough plastic, your only 12, you blew out your knee, or your just a big wus? Which one is it. I don't know you, or atleast I don't think I do, but dude, you finished 2nd at BGAM Champs! Get a clue.

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!

Who cares his rating is still an Am. If I did blow up on my one round I would have been right there and I will be going back.

Dan is a solid player and has had many good tournaments, but one good finish at one big tournament doesn't mean you should go pro.

You finished second last year in one of the most prestigious and competitive tourney's in the disc golf world, and your still Am? What happened? Not enough plastic, your only 12, you blew out your knee, or your just a big wus? Which one is it. I don't know you, or atleast I don't think I do, but dude, you finished 2nd at BGAM Champs! Get a clue.

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!





I finished 3rd in 06' and played in 07' and nobody cared. The last 2 years the player that won advanced wasnt even rated over 950 at the time I believe. PDGA reccomended rating for advanced is now 935-970. You should probably play intermediate then if you are that concerned. The only thing you will accomplish is being a whiner with that attitude.

If he wants to play BG Ams. for the rest of his life then he should. As someone earlier said, one big finish in a big tournament doesnt mean anything. Look at Greg Schwartz, Am Worlds Winner. After his win he said he was still going to play Adv. for a lil while longer. There's no need to rush someone.

First off i dont know u nitchkabob and i dont choose to with that attitude and the only reason i am gonna play is beacuse worlds are less then a hour away from my house and i failed to quailfy for the open divison and i am not gonna sit out and watch but u can watch me run a muck on BG and AM Worlds and taylor is right one good event doesent fill a player resume and if u look at the NT for bowling green u pretty much have to average 1000 rated golf and i dont feel my game is there yet but when it is i will def go pro and if i recall Marc Estenfeilder won this event and played the following year. By the way i predicted i would make the final nine last year look it up and i am predicting i will be in it again.

Holla at your boy!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Intermediate is not an option. I come down there to play my best, and finish as well as I can in the highest division. Obviously your set on bagging, and thats fine, I'm not the one doing it so whatever floats your boat. Good luck to ya' on making the final nine, hopefully I'll see you there. I still think your a wus though, lol! By the way, I'm not hating on you, I'm just trying to encourage you. This game needs a lot more pro's and a little friendly encouragement never hurt anyone. In fact the Zig would probably still be playing am without all the ribbing, and look how he's doing as a pro. Is Burke coming down, man if he does I'd have to say he's an even bigger bagger than you Dan.

It wouldnt be the first time i have been called a bagger so no offense taken i dont know if burke is still playing advanced but i do intend on moving up after worlds even if i do suck it up all year. :cool:

Estenfelder will be back again. He was all set to play last year but wrenched his neck the week of the show.

Good to hear he is recovering now that the advanced pool has been bumped to higher ratings i expect to be a good amount of bagging beacuse this is the biggest tourney of the year. And one more reason i love bowling green is envoirment were else is a town dominated by disc golfers for a week i got down there last year on tuesday and practiced all week hoping to maybe do that again this year.

PS we will be setting off the hotel smoke alrams again :cool::cool: :D :D

I guess you can call me a bagger to since my rating is only 3 points lower than Dan's. If I could only shot good at White I would have been in the final nine the last two years I believe, 10 over kills you.

Any new info on the new course, pics, etc?

Jeff and I worked on the new course today. We're hoping to lay down concrete for the pads next week, depending on whether it rains or not. We've cleared alot of the fairways in the woods, but they still need to be smoothed out, and we have more grass seeds to plant as well, and more logs to move, but its coming up nicely. We could probably be finished sometime in mid-February, or if we move things fast enough by the end of the month giving us time to work more on appearance.

Sounds like you guys are busting your humps! Can't wait to play it. Theres something about road tripping to new course that is just excellent!

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!



Actually Gaige and I might be coming back for BG Ams... we just wouldn't be playing in the tourney

If the weather holds up we should be pouring in the concrete for pads on Monday at the earliest. All we have to do is clear, and smooth out the wooded fairways, plant grass seeds and we're done. I would speculate the course would be ready for grand opening in 2 months.

Sounds like everybody is getting good and heated. Hopefully my finances work out and I can make it... Some numbers to keep in mind: it usually takes 975 rated golf to get into the top 10 at BG Ams. With the division shift and the baggers from the MI (understandable with Am Worlds in town this year, of course, not begrudging DeVries and Burke one bit) it'll be harder than ever to get into that there final nine.

Best of luck to you all, I know I'm shooting to play 980+ golf if I make it into town.


(though I'm not sure why Burke was brought up by Rob... Hell, Jason Kirkaldy has a higher rating and finished higher at BG Ams last year and is from the same area)

i hope to see gaige and you out there jordan. Perica and I are always looking for good caddies. And did I see someone called Pat Burke a bagger? He's good but I see way bigger baggers signed up already.

(although I'm not sure why Burke was brought up by Rob...



I just like messin' with Burke, although he is pretty awesome, too bad he spin putts, might be able to cut down on the 3 putting if he would just read Klimo's website, lol ;-) So your comin too woj? Hmm... why do I feel like your fishin for a bagger comment directed your way......ok move up you freakin bagger? This years gonna be a blast, but really I can't wait for worlds to be hosted in that state up north! Oh, and Jordan, you and Gaige might as well petition the pdga for your am status back just for one weekend, so you guys can play bowling green like everyone else, lol!

I got a caddie for you, Gaehl. I hear Shelby is free. He's a great caddie, right Jordan?

I got a caddie for you, Gaehl. I hear Shelby is free. He's a great caddie, right Jordan?



It wasn't Shelby that got me. I am pretty sure I would have screwed up really bad reguardless of who was caddying for me

Hell yea, keep hating on the MI baggers. Count 24185 in as well. 4 ganders in the final 9?
Devries, I will destroy you son, get ready for another 2nd.
:) :)

If you can't make it to BG, check out the River City Rumble. :DSorry for the thread drift. :)

Shot of the day on DGTV from last years tourny.

http://www.discgolftv.com/dgtv/413/mov/newest?page=1&channel_id=0

I will prob play again just beacuse i have to play advanced at worlds but i am sure i will catch alot of trash talk even though i didnt feel like i even played that good but it was still a heck of a experince with all the camera's following me sunday :cool:and i still cant beileve that putt didnt raise up in the 30 mile an hour headwind :mad:



You finished second last year in one of the most prestigious and competitive tourney's in the disc golf world, and your still Am? What happened? Not enough plastic, your only 12, you blew out your knee, or your just a big wus? Which one is it. I don't know you, or atleast I don't think I do, but dude, you finished 2nd at BGAM Champs! Get a clue.

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!



I don't see what the big deal is. I'm coming back this year. DMI representing again. :cool:

hhahahahaha, lmao, estenbagger, last year's winner (have him sign your disc), AND last year's runner up. This is going to be a showdown.....Who can take down that pot?

Never bet against Estenbagger.

Quick course update!

The new teepads are poured. Now us locals are going to go out and get sign sponsors so wish us luck!

Remember though, if YOU get a $100 tournament sponsor then we will REWARD YOU with a FREE BG Ams. entry fee!!!!

Try Blue Wallace Skate shop. the owners name is Randy and a great guy. tell him Dave George said to give you money. if you don't know where the shop is it is right down town half a block from the skate park (by the Napa autoparts store) just down the road form Hobson (i think)

I can't believe last years winner is coming back. I know it was kind of a fluke, but still. Unless he feels that his performance last year was way beyond him, he shouldn't be back. Whats the sport in that? Now if he never plans to move up, then more power to him. People who just don't want to play open have plenty of reasons not to, but if he is waiting for his game to be 1000+, then that is lame.

He shouldn't be back? Whats the sport in that?

What kind of reasoning is that?

If people fall into a division they should feel fine in playing that division and people need to stop complaining about it. There is something wrong with someone attempting to repeat as a champion??? There is something wrong with someone playing in a division for which they qualify?

If you don't think that you can beat him, practice more.

I will prob play again just beacuse i have to play advanced at worlds but i am sure i will catch alot of trash talk even though i didnt feel like i even played that good but it was still a heck of a experince with all the camera's following me sunday :cool:and i still cant beileve that putt didnt raise up in the 30 mile an hour headwind :mad:



You finished second last year in one of the most prestigious and competitive tourney's in the disc golf world, and your still Am? What happened? Not enough plastic, your only 12, you blew out your knee, or your just a big wus? Which one is it. I don't know you, or atleast I don't think I do, but dude, you finished 2nd at BGAM Champs! Get a clue.

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!



I don't see what the big deal is. I'm coming back this year. DMI representing again. :cool:



I finished 3rd in 06' and 9th last year in advanced. I would play again, but I started playing open because I didnt feel I would get any better if I kept playing am. So far it hasnt really worked :obut my player rating should go up to about 962 next week after my Moccasin Lake open results get rated. Everyone is different and can do whatever they want until they exceed the pdga ratings standard. It would be a shame to be 1st or 2nd one year and then drop 50+ places though. You guys will just have to represent again! Its anyones game in Bowling Green. I felt I played horrible last year and still managed to get 9th. If you play 990 golf, you can win it. On another note, I may be able to get up to a $1000 sponsor/grant. Not sure yet because I'll know more after February 1st. The company Im working on wants to know if they can get their logo permanantly on tee signs at the new course. Also, would that get me free entry to the national tour and 4 of my friends and get them pernament logo tee signs? Once again, its not official that I can get the money, but looks very possible. Thanks

We're in! looks like there will be a pretty big NC group making the long drive

yeah wiggians, always fun in bowling green.

: ) :

Gettin a group from Carolina in Kentucky during the NCAA tnmt, could be a blast. I don't think they have forgotten the beatings over the last few years. Kentucky beat Tennessee, way to go. Does that help LOL :D

Mini Thumber

I will prob play again just beacuse i have to play advanced at worlds but i am sure i will catch alot of trash talk even though i didnt feel like i even played that good but it was still a heck of a experince with all the camera's following me sunday :cool:and i still cant beileve that putt didnt raise up in the 30 mile an hour headwind :mad:



You finished second last year in one of the most prestigious and competitive tourney's in the disc golf world, and your still Am? What happened? Not enough plastic, your only 12, you blew out your knee, or your just a big wus? Which one is it. I don't know you, or atleast I don't think I do, but dude, you finished 2nd at BGAM Champs! Get a clue.

All I can say is Am is a stepping stone to the real game. If I finish 2nd this year at BG like you did last year, you will never see me again in Am, because that means the game is there, and its on! I'm pretty sure Ziggy, Gaige, and Jordan aren't coming back. Wake up buddy, and feel free to buy yourself a can of grownuts, oh yeah!



I don't see what the big deal is. I'm coming back this year. DMI representing again. :cool:



I finished 3rd in 06' and 9th last year in advanced. I would play again, but I started playing open because I didnt feel I would get any better if I kept playing am. So far it hasnt really worked :obut my player rating should go up to about 962 next week after my Moccasin Lake open results get rated. Everyone is different and can do whatever they want until they exceed the pdga ratings standard. It would be a shame to be 1st or 2nd one year and then drop 50+ places though. You guys will just have to represent again! Its anyones game in Bowling Green. I felt I played horrible last year and still managed to get 9th. If you play 990 golf, you can win it. On another note, I may be able to get up to a $1000 sponsor/grant. Not sure yet because I'll know more after February 1st. The company Im working on wants to know if they can get their logo permanantly on tee signs at the new course. Also, would that get me free entry to the national tour and 4 of my friends and get them pernament logo tee signs? Once again, its not official that I can get the money, but looks very possible. Thanks



If the company is interested then they will have their logo permanently put onto a a tee sign at the new course. I'm sure we could split the money and put names/logo's for different people for the NT, but just contact the club officers at our website and they'll give you more info!

Can't wait for this event, Here's to hoping that the wind at Whites doesn't kick my butt again...lol

He shouldn't be back? Whats the sport in that?

What kind of reasoning is that?

If people fall into a division they should feel fine in playing that division and people need to stop complaining about it. There is something wrong with someone attempting to repeat as a champion??? There is something wrong with someone playing in a division for which they qualify?

If you don't think that you can beat him, practice more.


No better way of putting it.

Plans are coming together nicely, and we are starting to get more interest in tee sign sponsors. If you sponsor a tee sign at $100 your entry is free, and if you hurry, you can pick the tee you want (send logo and comments - suitable for public posting). We have some clubs thatare sponsoring a tee, and then play for the entry for bragging rights on the tee sign.

A chance to talk smack during the event!

Just contact me if you are interested, and we will reserve your tee.

Proceeds go to a great event in BG!!!!

BG Ice Bowl is Feb 16, if you want to pratice under presser. Kereiakes sign-up before 9am.

New fundraising discs are in check them out at discndatonline.com. They are cool and will go fast

Plans are coming together nicely, and we are starting to get more interest in tee sign sponsors. If you sponsor a tee sign at $100 your entry is free, and if you hurry, you can pick the tee you want (send logo and comments - suitable for public posting). We have some clubs thatare sponsoring a tee, and then play for the entry for bragging rights on the tee sign.

A chance to talk smack during the event!

Just contact me if you are interested, and we will reserve your tee.

Proceeds go to a great event in BG!!!!



What if we want to sponsor a tee sign, but have already paid for the event through PDGA sign up?

Can we pay the $45 difference and get a tee sign?

Erick

If you have already signed up, you can pay the differance and we will get the tee sign up at the hole of your choice. Just e-mail HB @ [email protected] with your "logo, info, etc, and we will make the sign. Send a check to our PO box:
BGDGC, PO Box 9501, Bowling Green, KY 42102

First come first serve on the hole locations.

So HB, you're competing in this event? I noticed your name on the entry list. rWc3523

Yes, with the new PDGA divisional rating standards I thought I would compete in my first ever AM event after 30 years on tour. It will be fun to play with kids younger than mine!

And, look for me in the A pool on Sunday.

I think we need to show HB what true elderly abuse is!!!

Quick question....

I noticed there is a guy playing intermediate with a 936 rating.

Now I know that you have to be under 935, but this guy has only played 1 tournament and got rated at 936.

My question, Is will they let this guy play intermediate or are they going to make him play Advanced?

This player should immediately petition the PDGA Tour Manager for a waiver to play in Intermediate until he has more rated rounds. His rating is based on only 2 rounds of play.

Is that after the ratings update? if its after he'll have to play up not down... probably was before so now he'll have more rounds in.

This player should immediately petition the PDGA Tour Manager for a waiver to play in Intermediate until he has more rated rounds. His rating is based on only 2 rounds of play.



i didn't realize we had a minimum # of rounds requirement. hopefully gentry wouldn't grant that waiver.

Well, well. The new PDGA ratings are out and for the first time, I am under 900. So my new 897 rating qualifies me to play Recreational. I guess since my rating has dropped, it's time to go back to the drawing board and see if I can get my game back. This is a good place to start. rWc897

Well, well. The new PDGA ratings are out and for the first time, I am under 900. So my new 897 rating qualifies me to play Recreational. I guess since my rating has dropped, it's time to go back to the drawing board and see if I can get my game back. This is a good place to start. rWc897



Hop on in the Recreational Pool. The water is warm and full of missed putts, errant drives, and bad shot selection! :D:D:D

Hey, that sounds like me! :DI just want to play within my rating/skill level. I might actually have more fun, too! ;) rWc897

Hey, that sounds like me! :DI just want to play within my rating/skill level. I might actually have more fun, too! ;) rWc897



I am not against you there. I was just poking fun at myself and the division that I will be playing in as well! :)

I hear ya gou's, as an 879 rated player,

Mini Thumber, a Pretty good Rec player :cool:

Thanks to the many of ya'll that are jumping in and sponsoring a hole of your choice. We will dedicate the final nine holes to clubs who are sponsoring holes, as to better advertise their events, bragging rights, or what ever else you want to put on the sign.

Note the free entry with a sponsor sign: if you get a $100 sponsor your entry is free (or re-inbursed) as an appreciation for helping with this awsome event.

HB (sponsoring hole 1 & 10 at Kereiakes Park)

So who are your picks this year?

Estenfelder (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=13425&year=2007) looks like a lock, hasn't he taken cash yet?

2 other top dogs look like the very experienced HB Clark (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=553&year=2007) (you mean final 9, not A pool) and hometown Justin Moore (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=32083&year=2007), both should know all 4 courses very well.

There are a few MI baggers, Theriault, Kirkaldy, Stahlin :)
Who's your pick???
I'm going with Clark for the win based on extensive tournament experience.

Justin and I started the sport together and he's the only person I enjoy losing to, and if he doesnt make the Final 9 then my belief in everything will be shaken. His game just keeps improving everyday. His plan is to go pro after BG Ams because he wants to play it one more time and I know that one day he'll be a force to reckon with on the pro circuit.

His long putt game is tremendous! I would consider him to be one of the best putters I've ever seen. Looking at his stats I'm amazed no one has picked him up for sponsorship. I mean I have a sponsor already and my game is only 1/2 of what his is.

If the weather holds up we should be pouring in the concrete for pads on Monday at the earliest. All we have to do is clear, and smooth out the wooded fairways, plant grass seeds and we're done. I would speculate the course would be ready for grand opening in 2 months.



Any word on this course? Pics? Description?

No pics, but I can say it's a mix of long open, and tight wooded. One hole is 990 ft. flat ground (rollers wet dream), along with some 700 and 800 footers, and in the woods the holes are fairly decent distance wise, but there is alot of elevation so you'll be throwing up and down, and dog legs, etc etc with some water hazards around a few holes.

I would say it's a mixture of White, Hobson, and Kereiakes all rolled into one. Some is pure open, some of it's really tight and accuracy is needed, and parts are finesse and technical.

I believe it will be the highlight of the tournament and if you are not in the Adv. division playing this course then I would strongly advise playing the doubles event that will be held on Friday just so you can have a chance to play the course if you are familiar with our others already.

What courses are we playing this year for the tourney?

I can't say with 100% certainty, but more than likely I believe the courses will be as follows...

<u>Advanced</u>
Kereiakes (long pads)
Phil Moore Park
White Park
Franklin (long pads)

<u>Intermediate/Recreational</u>
Hobson Grove
Basil Griffin
Preston Miller
Lovers Lane

longs at franklin looked tough! i wish we could have played the longs last year.

longs at franklin looked tough! i wish we could have played the longs last year.



The longs just make Franklin unbearable, esp. in the summer months. It's bad enough walking so far from one hole to the next, but it makes some holes that should be easy pars into a struggle for 4's. It's an endurance test that favors the big guns.

I like the potential int/rec lineup, we wouldn't have to leave town

The Int/Rec division will challenge you on all your skill levels. Lovers will challenge your distance, Hobson and Preston will challenge your finesse and accuracy, and Basil is just kinda there.

longs at franklin looked tough! i wish we could have played the longs last year.



The longs just make Franklin unbearable, esp. in the summer months. It's bad enough walking so far from one hole to the next, but it makes some holes that should be easy pars into a struggle for 4's. It's an endurance test that favors the big guns.



So why are we playing them. I was told last year the the short pads made for a better course. So what you are saying is the guys that can throw far will do good and the rest will not. That sounds fair why play if you know you have to make up the scores on one course.

longs at franklin looked tough! i wish we could have played the longs last year.



The longs just make Franklin unbearable, esp. in the summer months. It's bad enough walking so far from one hole to the next, but it makes some holes that should be easy pars into a struggle for 4's. It's an endurance test that favors the big guns.



So why are we playing them. I was told last year the the short pads made for a better course. So what you are saying is the guys that can throw far will do good and the rest will not. That sounds fair why play if you know you have to make up the scores on one course.



I dont know why the long pads will be played if they are to be played in the first place. The short pads do make for a better course because you do not wear yourself out as much. And I did not say the shorter guns won't do as good, you seem to be twisting my words. I'm saying that with the hole lengths for several of the long pads those who arent huge guns MAY find themselves at somewhat of a disadvantage to those who can bomb a disc and layup their second shot while the shorter guns are taking another drive for their 2nd shot. If you are an Advanced player then the course shouldnt necessarily seem like a problem. I'm only saying from my personal experience that because of the wide openness, severe lack of shade, and the sun beaming directly on you the course wears you out faster.

When you say these are the possible courses for advanced, does that include advanced masters? Just checking. I don't think I'll be playing adv. master this year anyway.

I like the possible courses for the int/rec and since my player rating continues to plummet, I'll most likely be playing int. so I'll at least enjoy that part of my trip! rWc897 :p

I doubt that Adv. Masters will play those courses. Just Adv. Men only but that's all a guesstimation.

Thanks Son of a Dude...i understand its a guess, but thanks anyway!!

If the format stays the same as last year then I believe only Adv. Man and Women will play Kereiakes, Phil Moore, White and Franklin. All other divisions will play Lovers, Hobson, Preston and Basil so if someone asks just assume for now this is the plan.

Whats the toughest course in your opinion that the advanced div. will be playing?

ephram white for sure Fred. it is like richlands on steriods

Whats the toughest course in your opinion that the advanced div. will be playing?



As of now White Park, but that could change with Phil Moore Park.

Hey Dude, is there gonna be a cutoff on the primo player's package? We don't want to miss out this year!

rWc897

I couldnt tell you at this moment. No one knows what will be in the packages this year, and whether or not they will be different for each division. I hope, since it's capped at 720, that we will all get the same package, but it's too soon to tell.

I may fit this in the plans for this year, but would need to car pool if an NCians would like to have a 6'4" white boy in their backseat.

Please let me know.

Is there any link that will bring up pictures of White Park, or the other courses that we play??

I've heard a disturbing rumor that host hotel fees have increased drastically. I have not checked on a hotel and I hope this rumor is untrue. If a tournament offers a special host hotel price, it should remain constant and not go up! I hope this is not the case. rWc897

I would call the host hotel as soon as you can and find out for sure. If so, then an announcement will need to be made quickly.

Just called
Best Western $55/night 50-60 rooms left
Microtel 49.95/night 10 Rooms left
Microtel said the Block of rooms expires 2/27/08 so they are up to everyone after the 27th

I called BW and Microtel two weeks ago and they were already booked. At least thats what they told me. I also did tell them i was calling for the BG event. We ended up getting a room at the Americas Best Value Inn. Was $47 a night and it is right in town, so it should not be too bad.

Americas Best Value Inn. Was $47 a night and it is right in town, so it should not be too bad.


Its not a bad place... its next door to the Best Western. Its a small room with no amenities but its $47 a night :D
I stayed there two years ago for the tournament

Thanks, 26125 . I will pass this on to the person who posted it on another forum. I will be jumping on that host hotel room asap! That wa a great deal last year. Thanks BG and Best Western! rWc897

The motel 6 is 32.39 for Thur and 37.99 for Fri and Sat

The motel 6 is 32.39 for Thur and 37.99 for Fri and Sat



When did they jack the price up from $6!?!

Looking for the "chosen courses" info if anybody has it (the usual topic). Through all 21 pages of banter I found this:

Advanced
Kereiakes (long pads)
Phil Moore Park
White Park
Franklin (long pads)

I hope that Advanced Masters get this same type of quality course. Afterall, Advanced Masters is an Advanced Division

We stayed at the Motel Six once. It was fine but the manager didn't like us putting outside. There's a lot going on at the BW, grilling, distance, putting, some mini-golf. Lotsa fun.
rWc897

Fundraiser discs for Bowling Green Amateur Championships are available at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com): ESP Supercolor Buzzz, ESP Supercolor Challengers, STAR Ontario Rocs and Champion Destroyers available for $25 each and each is a fundraiser for the largest amateur tournament out there. With each sponsorship purchase you will also get included in a raffle drawing with grand prize being a Discraft Chainstar basket. Basket and other prizes to be awarded at the tournament.

The Supercolor discs have pictures from last year's tournament - your picture may be on there! Get one and check it out.

Ill stick with the Hamption INN employ rate's 30 bucks a night. came out to 7 bucks a night a person.

So the Americas Best Value Inn is right next door to the BW? I was considering calling them and trying to get a room at BW, but if were right next door that should be fine. Anything going on Fri. night? Glow rounds or anything?

I cant say of any glow rounds but if you all request it then I can ask the TD. I'll gladly run the event. Glow stuff is always fun!

Anyone want to split a room from Wed or Thurs to Sunday morning? Or any of of the days. Just trying to releive some expences. I'm going to go a head and reserve a room probably tomarrow.

For what it's worth, we just secured two nights (Fri and Sat) at the host hotel for $55 a night. Didn't ask how many rooms were still available. Gonna send in a check for a rec and int player tomorrow!
rWc897

We have already run out of the Star Roc's and have 6 Destroyers left. Due to the quickness we may probably order more Roc's so those who missed out you might still get your chance!

They are not sold out - you can still order them at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com) Those were the ones that Ernie had for the locals. But they are going quickly so get yours soon.

So, why would the PDGA change the ratings breakdown for the divisions and then NOT offer NOVICE in the biggest tournament on the planet? I'm rated 790 and yet apparently I'm being forced to play up to rec (against people in the high 800s). Seems a bit unfair. Are you guys really NOT going to offer the Novice division? Why the snub to the low rated players?

I hear ya Scrappy, you have only been playing 8 months, and have continued to improve. Keep playing, and you will soon be in the high 800.

Mini Thumber

I dont have the reason why. You would need to contact the TD, but I believe there is a rule in the PDGA saying is 4 people sign up in a division then there has to be one, but I cant say with certainty that a TD has to allow the division. It's like the Memorial where they are only allowing Advanced. It really seems like a shame that not everyone will get a completely fair shot, but unless the PDGA rule about divisions has to be enforced there's nothing anyone can do excpet the TD so you would just have to contact him.

Td's can offer any division...or not offer...At bigger events it makes since not to offer the lower divisions...MA4 could very well be a non-division

A TD doesnt have to offer a division. There is no PDGA rule that tells other. I like what the Memorial is doing and I wish Bowling Green and other A tiers would do the same. The Memorial isnt having a payout. 1st place gets the same as last place except for a trophy. Everyone gets a players package and that is it.

i think that is a horrible idea. whats the purpose of spending all that time, money, etc if you are just playing for nothing? yeah, its good to make everyone "feel good", but what is copetition with no payout? i have plenty of pride and respect without wasting money on a tournament with no payout. if that were the case i would definately not be traveling to those events with no payout, it would seem pointless. this makes me glad to say that i will be going open shortly after the ams. and a little tip for all: play up. if you play with 790 rated players you will most likely play 790 rated golf or worse. its true what they say, you will play up to the level of you competition. this doesn't mean you will always prevail over a higher rated golfer, but you will play better and you should feel better that you didn't play in the lowest division possible. everyone has to start somewhere, but all these divisions are getting a little rediculous. int/adv is all you need. rec is an added bonus. please take this as advice and nothing else, 900 golf is in your reach.

We will be getting a players package worth over twice what we paid. I will be going Pro after this year. I dont want more discs, I dont care about the payout. I play to have fun and enjoy the competition I dont need a payout for that. If you want a payout that bad go pro now.

I really am not surprised that the largest AM tournament in the nation is not offering Novice. They did not offer Recreational last year.

If you want to play, just play up. If you are not comfortable with that it is ok. This tournament is just not for you. A more localized tournament would most likely be your style.

TopDog, why is it only a good thing for A-Tiers? I don't think that it is a good idea at all, but your comment puzzled me...

EDIT: I think that everyone would just be better off with stopping the use of the term "pro" and "amateur". It would stop a LOT of arguements...

A-tiers are the top tournaments and bring the top players in. The top division and thats it since no payout and everyone get the same players package there is no sandbagging. I dont think there should be a payout at any Am tournament everyone should get a player package and trophyies. I really like what the Memorial is doing. If you look at the Int at bowling green right now you have guy that are 1 point or 2 points below the adv cut off and it is unfair for the guy at 900.

got a glimpse of whats gonna be in the players packs this year?

and I think there should always be a payout in the am division, screw this one place crap.

yeah, but divisions are made for a reason. one of the best pieces of advice i ever received was from an old pro from BG, he said, "if you don't the payout, then you are in the wrong division." the divisions this year have been redefined, i think to a better standard. if you have a 934 then according to PDGA that is the definition of an INT player so why give them [censored] when they sign up INT? now maybe if a 979 professional AM signed up, that would be considered bagging and playing down a level, but according to PDGA, this year, that is also fine ;)

All this talk about no payouts is Memorial talk, just so no one is confused. Bowling Green Ams offers nice player packs, modest payouts, and the opportunity to be the principal sponsors of the Bowling Green Pros. Play it because it is the biggest tournament in the world, if that appeals to you, or because all your buds are going, or because it is the biggest disc golf party weekend on the planet.

It never really makes sense for an am to play for the payout at any tournament. But am payouts are popular and I suppose we'll have that at most tournaments for a long time.

According to the PDGA, I'm a rec player. Nevermind that I've played for 24 years, won several advanced master events in an unnamed southern tournament series, including a championship in 2006, won cash in a couple of events in the same unnamed series. While I COULD play rec, I'm going to play up a division and play in the intermediate division with all those over 900 players. Who am I to argue with the ratings? It will be fun either way. rWc897

Plus here in BG we have other tournaments other than BG Ams as well summer league and monthly non sanctioned tournaments so what discs we have left after payout goes to these. We would like to give everyone the best payout possible, but unless someone writes us a check for like $50,000 we need to prioritize our stock as well. It's very very very difficult running the worlds largest event and we're doing the best we can, and I know as the years go by it's only going to improve.

But this year I believe we are going with a voucher program, where say you receive a $100 voucher then you may take that voucher to any of the vendors and pick your discs. We are having a meeting tonight so I can update everyone on what's happening!

I have been happy with just the players package at bowling green for the last two years and if that is all I got I still would be happy. If this year is the same I will be happy again.

Play it because it is the biggest tournament in the world, if that appeals to you, or because all your buds are going, or because it is the biggest disc golf party weekend on the planet.


i wouldnt say it is the biggest disc golf party weekend on the planet the virginia open throws down very nicely for a great weekend event. but everything else u said sounded great.

I have been happy with just the players package at bowling green for the last two years and if that is all I got I still would be happy. If this year is the same I will be happy again.



I will try and find out what might be in the packages tonight but no guarantee because it might be too early. I'm sure Discraft, Gateway and INNOVA would like to debut new models and/or new plastics in existing models for the tournament. But after the meeting tonight I will update everyone with what information I may be allowed to say.

Hey son, the BG players' packs have always been great, not to mention the great atmosphere, fly mart, food, entertainment (the band), the courses, cameraderie and the fact I don't see many of these guys but once a year are just a few of the reasons we keep coming back. Not to mention it's only 3.5 hours from here. rWc897

Hey son, the BG players' packs have always been great, not to mention the great atmosphere, fly mart, food, entertainment (the band), the courses, cameraderie and the fact I don't see many of these guys but once a year are just a few of the reasons we keep coming back. Not to mention it's only 3.5 hours from here. rWc897





I never said that the players package before was not great I have only gone the last two year. My flight on a plane is longer than your drive.

Hey dog, I wasn't insinuating otherwise! Sorry if you thought that. The event must be good for someone to fly from NorCal! This is our fourth BG ams and it's doubled its attendance in just four years. I used to come in the early 90s when it was still a pro/am event! rWc897

Hey dog, I wasn't insinuating otherwise! Sorry if you thought that. The event must be good for someone to fly from NorCal! This is our fourth BG ams and it's doubled its attendance in just four years. I used to come in the early 90s when it was still a pro/am event! rWc897



Russ,
Gotta post on this one time, when are you going to move up and learn,(learn the, the pro experience) and move on to Grand Pro Grand Masters?? My guess, I think soon :confused:. I thought you were older than me :eek: Maybe not :cool::cool::cool:

Peace,
Ron

Ron, I'm going to be 48, but my rating has sunk to 897! I'm experiencing a bit of a slump here, not to mention the fact I really don't want to play those four long courses that the advanced are playing. Most of those guys are half my age or in their early 30s. I'd just as soon play a moderately long course or two and a couple technical (wooded) courses. Not to say I won't change my mind before then ;) Oh, I'm all about some grandmaster action in a couple years, either pro or advanced, depending on the locale! Are you coming to BG this year?

ps. to bore you even more: I played am/expert from 1984-1990; then I played open and got my [censored] handed to me by the best; in 1995 I played Master (over 35 could in those days) and in 1997 petitioned the PDGA to play advanced master (I never cashed; except in MTA as a pro) For the past 10 years (minus a couple from 1999-2001 when I didn't tour) I've enjoyed playing with people my age and skill level. I won my share of events and have played Pro Master in Southern National events only the past year to 18 months. So I've seen the entire spectrum of divisions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
rWc897 ;) :D

No update on what will be in the players pack other than Adv. will get 4 discs, shirt and i think a mini, and Int/Rec will be receiving 3 discs plus shirt and mini.

This is VERY IMPORTANT INFO!!!

Each divsion will be capped at 360. There will be a max 360 Adv. and 360 Int/Rec with Int/Rec being counted as one. Once those fill that is that. If you sign up Int/Rec and find out that it hit the 360 mark then you either have to drop out or pay the extra money and play Advanced. There will also be NO pool shuffle except for Top 2 pools (A and B) so this will make it easier for everyone who needs rides and wants to play with buddies.

For those of you who may need to hit the road after the tourney, you will have to wait until after the Adv. final 9 before any results are posted, and we will be going down the list with winners first and so forth.

Course Update!!!

Phil Moore MAY NOT be used if bad weather floods the course, and Chalybeate may be put into the shuffle instead. This may also cause the courses for each divison to change.

Activities throughout the weekend will be doubles events on Friday and Discraft will be hosting a driving contest, INNOVA a putting contest. If I can remember more info I'll be sure to keep everyone updated!!!!

Ron, I'm going to be 48, but my rating has sunk to 897! I'm experiencing a bit of a slump here, not to mention the fact I really don't want to play those four long courses that the advanced are playing. Most of those guys are half my age or in their early 30s. I'd just as soon play a moderately long course or two and a couple technical (wooded) courses. Not to say I won't change my mind before then ;) Oh, I'm all about some grandmaster action in a couple years, either pro or advanced, depending on the locale! Are you coming to BG this year?

ps. to bore you even more: I played am/expert from 1984-1990; then I played open and got my [censored] handed to me by the best; in 1995 I played Master (over 35 could in those days) and in 1997 petitioned the PDGA to play advanced master (I never cashed; except in MTA as a pro) For the past 10 years (minus a couple from 1999-2001 when I didn't tour) I've enjoyed playing with people my age and skill level. I won my share of events and have played Pro Master in Southern National events only the past year to 18 months. So I've seen the entire spectrum of divisions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
rWc897 ;) :D



You are older than me. :eek: No I am not coming down. I most likely will go to Davenport. There is a pretty good size STL contingent coming down. The AM1 boys are a group that is going to have to be reckoned with in the next couple of years. It is nice to see STL representing again at BG. STL is spreadout across the divisions. I am looking forward to watching the AM1 boys to see how they fair down there. Good luck again this year down there. Razor is a top five in masters if his game is on. Dammes is another one. You can also make that list. Good luck.

Peace

Course Update!!!

Phil Moore MAY NOT be used if bad weather floods the course, and Chalybeate may be put into the shuffle instead. This may also cause the courses for each divison to change.




This is great info! I think that Phil Moore sounds like it will be a great course someday, and even look forward to playing it in BG Ams in 2009, but for one of the biggest and best AM events of the year, I'd like to play a finished product. Over time there will surely be several revisions to the course, and I'm more interested in playing a refined version of the course rather than being a guinnea pig.

Thank you JD for the consistent updates.... keep em coming!

Erick

Are the Friday scramble events posted anywhere yet? If so, please tell me where ... thanks.

A friend and I are making the drive down from Central IL (Bloomington/Normal), but we're playing in different divisions (he's Advanced, I'm not). So, that leads me to wonder...

Will I be riding city buses between the courses, or is there some sort of informal carpool program during the tournament?

Based on the disc golfers I know around here, I assume that I'll be able to bum a ride from someone, but you know what happens when you assume... :-)

Hey Dwight, the same thing happened to me last year and I met some great people from bumming rides. I don't think anyone missed a round last year from not being able to find a ride.

Yea, I hauled some Michigan boys around for the second day last year. You can always find a ride, plus there'll be TD's or officials for each pool who I've seen lending rides to those playing in their pool. Another thing I've seen is people dropping their friends off at one course and driving to the course they have to play. Some combonations like Kariekas/Hobson/Lovers Lovers/Griffin Griffin/Miller Miller/Hobson can be made in decent travel time leaving plenty of warm-up time.

I agree. Finding a ride should not really be that much of a problem. Just put the word out at your hotel/registration/player's meting that you are looking for a ride to XXXXXXX.

We've ended up giving people rides and I've bummed rides with friends/people I've met. Las year three of us went in three different directions. Get with people ASAP because sometimes the vehicles fill up! rWc897

So, why would the PDGA change the ratings breakdown for the divisions and then NOT offer NOVICE in the biggest tournament on the planet? I'm rated 790 and yet apparently I'm being forced to play up to rec (against people in the high 800s). Seems a bit unfair. Are you guys really NOT going to offer the Novice division? Why the snub to the low rated players?



Scrappy,

As the lowest rated player currently signed up at 711 (outside of my son). I hear you. However, I think that the way to think about it is that it is an opportunity to set a goal and look at the players above you to see who can try and beat.

Also, if you think about it you are in the middle of the Novice that are signed up (there are currently 25 qualifying of those with ratings). I know it is of little consolation to you, but think of it this way. You are one of the people I am trying to shoot better than (i.e. I just don't want to finish DFL) :D

Stenky

The water rises and falls, the trees fall and smash baskets and the bskets get replaced.

We have contigency plans on each course for high water (adding holes on high ground) if that becomes an issue. Jeff Soule has been put in charge of weather due to his higher connection and tolarance for complainers, so no worry! Over the past 30 years of this event we have always managed to make course changes due to nature and even in the newest addition (Phil Moore Park) we have plans for temp holes if the creek rises.

But, I understand Jeff is ordering up some wind!

I heard that wind was on back order

I heard that wind was on back order


i hope so. lol

The mighty Duke Bluedevils will be playing in the NCAA tnmt during this time frame. It's important that a big screen be somewhere in the course proximity. Thanks
Mini Thumber