Well Day 1(fo us) golf is complete fo us, I got a little bit of video, I'll wok on it and maybe get it up a few hours after the players meeting or so, we'll see.
BG!

Just on here wishing all of Wisconsin's Finest good luck!!!! Unfortunately, a broken elbow forced me to cancel my trip down there (BTW, thank to the club for sending my registration so quickly). I look forward to coming down next year....

Stenky

cool video from friday..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA3kpp5Gyyc

Whenever you complete the videos, if you could edit them into one DVD I'll buy a copy off you.

Looks like todays video is gonna have a bunch of shots from G Pool and players party.. (look for the kid with the silver/black camera if ya wanna be on :P )

somone who knows should post what the lead scores are. I didn't make it up to the players dealy tonight and wanna know whats going on. who's leading? stuff like that would be great. get on it people.

leader is at even, i think two people are tied. josh thompson is one of the two leaders. 3 way tie for 3rd at 2 up on the day. hot at franklin longs was 4 up and hot at keriakes was 9 down. i think the cutoff for A pool was 13 up.

They need a Mike Norris and Stick team clone in KY.

They need a Mike Norris and Stick team clone in KY.


Those guys do an awesome job of getting those NC scores up FAST.

-9 at keriakas is smoking

The BG website says round 3 pool A is at Phil Moore. Is that wrong? I think it is.

i quickly put together this video of the players party(mixed in with the band's music/act), hope yall like it :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3n57lfrzJ4

The BG website says round 3 pool A is at Phil Moore. Is that wrong? I think it is.



Yes, I think it is wrong. The A Pool is going to play White first. That is what the players pack says and the final 9 is at Phil Moore, so that is where we should finish. I am going by the players guide!

53 degrees and overcast on the way to white. No rain yet and the wind prediction only 10-15 mph so not too bad.

no results on pdga.com yet?! c'mon guys! (2nd w/ needing a norris or stick... or marchant aka infoguy)

cool videos though... peckham's innoVAN spotting in video 1!

Sorry guys talked with TD and they just wouldn't quite organized to do scores last night. It is a big undertaken to do so many and shuffle cards. Comparing other places is not fair when the nubers are no where near the same. This is the first year they haven't been put up so please be patient with the BG boys as they will get them up soon. I did hear Estenfelder was tied for the lead after the first round today. don't know where anyone else stands.

final nine about to start in a few

Top 5
Josh thomson 213
marc estenfelder 215
ian Anderson 217
Tate handy 218
Blair Bose 218

women final 4 players

Amanda k
Frazier mom
Mel m
Sarah m

do it tate

did rooster narc on daemon?

final nine about to start in a few

Top 5
Josh thomson 213
marc estenfelder 215
ian Anderson 217
Tate handy 218
Blair Bose 218



Thanks, :cool:and more :cool:, from the onlooker.

Peace,

women final 4 players

Amanda k
Frazier mom
Mel m
Sarah m



Sarah M., Now that is what I am talking about. Hopefully M means Moss. GO MO. :cool:

You go Lady!

Peace :eek: :eek: but :cool:

thomson 4
esten 4
Anderson 3
handy 3
Bose 3

not sure on the ladies last names

Only one card in the final nine

not sure on the ladies last names

Only one card in the final nine



It is all good. W/O scores posted no body in www land has a clue unless the cell/phone was used.

Thanks

Sorry guys talked with TD and they just wouldn't quite organized to do scores last night. It is a big undertaken to do so many and shuffle cards. Comparing other places is not fair when the nubers are no where near the same. This is the first year they haven't been put up so please be patient with the BG boys as they will get them up soon. I did hear Estenfelder was tied for the lead after the first round today. don't know where anyone else stands.



LB,
Thanks for the post. They will get posted ASAP, what ever that is, I understand.

Peace,
RonSTL.

Hole 2

thompson circle 5
esten 4
Anderson 4
handy 4
Bose 3

Without Larry it might take them a while to get things done in BG

I suspect that the unofficial ratings won't be correct as usual since it takes a lot of work to get players linked to the courses they played. Much easier to do it in the TD report to prepare for doing official ratings for the April update.

only time and understanding.

Hole 3

thomson 4
esten 5
Anderson 5
handy 5
Bose 4

What were the scores for hole 1?

Bose making a run? Lets go, Tate.

Hole 4

thomson 2
esten 3
Anderson 3
handy 4
Bose 3

Come on TATE!

obviously taylors presence is bringing tate down

That must be what it is...

Hole 5

thomson 3
esten 4
Anderson 4
handy 4
Bose 3

Hole 6

thomson 3
esten 3
Anderson 4
handy 3
Bose 3

Hole 6

thomson 3
esten 3
Anderson 4
handy 3
Bose 3





Wow, Estenbagger is living up to his name again. You would think after 4 times, the mind might change a little sooner.

Hole 7

thompson 3
esten 3
Anderson 3
handy 3
Bose 4

Hole 7

thompson 3
esten 3
Anderson 3
handy 3
Bose 4





I smell an apple in the throat :)

Hole 8

thompson 2
esten 3
Anderson 3
handy 4
Bose 3

Hole 9

thompson 3
esten 3
Anderson 3
handy 3
Bose 4



Thompson wins

Thomson you are smoooooth. You owe me a round of 30 when your back in town.

Good shooting Tate

women final 4 players

Amanda k
Frazier mom
Mel m
Sarah m



Sarah M., Now that is what I am talking about. Hopefully M means Moss. GO MO. :cool:

You go Lady!

Peace :eek: :eek: but :cool:



Yes it did and she (Sarah) tied for the win with Mrs Frazer, had to leave it at a tie due to darkness.

Way to go chicas!!!!

All ams must be asleep after a long weekend. :)

...along with the scoring folks...

Made it back home around 1:30am last night. Had a great time and wanted to put a BIG thanks out to Ernie and the rest of the people in charge with this tourny.

I wanted to see of anyone knew how many Aces were turned in and what the final pot size was for it. I hit #7 at Preston, but couldnt stick around for the awards. I gave my info to my pools TD and he said he would get it to Ernie and they would get it taken care of, but just wanted to know how much i am looking forward to getting. Thanks,

Ryan

We all had an enjoyable weekend. We're all looking forward to finding out where we finished.

Bruce, Kelsey and Kira.

Huge props to Ian Anderson. I played with him in the third round, and he was one of the most enjoyable people to play with that I met all tourney, and I played on some great cards.

He didn't get upset when things went wrong, had a great attitude towards everyone at all times, and just seemed to have fun out there. And for a new, 922-rated player to end up shooting in the final nine at Bowling Green is awesome! He was a model of the sportsmanship, good spirit and the sheer fun of playing that others (coughestencough) should try to live up to.

If you see him at a tournament, be thankful if he ends up on your card -- it will be a better round because of it.

Thanks to Ernie and all the others who put Bowling Green together -- 12 hours home on an all-night road trip back from my first BGAm and I'm sure it was worth the trip.

I wanted to see of anyone knew how many Aces were turned in



a guy that played in my group one of the rounds on day2 aced hole 18 at lovers on day1.

Here is the website for anyone interested in participating in the Disc Golf Study. http://www.sportsdc.net/DGStudy . Please register and log your playing time for Bowling Green. Also, fill out an injury form if you had an injury. There is a link to contact me if you have any questions. Thanks for your help.
Doug Maxeiner

had a blast playing this weekend,saw some old friends and met some new ones....please post the scores,whenever you want to

I wanted to see of anyone knew how many Aces were turned in



a guy that played in my group one of the rounds on day2 aced hole 18 at lovers on day1.



I did hear about that one. Also i seen one other at Hobson. Last night I heard there were 4 to 5 turned in, but that was not a "positive" number. Should still be a nice chunck of cash to top off the bigest tournement in the world and one hell of a funn weekend. Had a great time and enjoyed meeting and playing with everyone on each card i was on. Already looking forward to next year.

I know there was one guy that hit 2 aces. One being #1 at lovers.

whats wrong with this picture,every other tournament this weekend has there scores posted,seems that there is something wrong here,come on BG wake up and finish the job you get paid to do!

Is Estenfelder really still playing this tournament. I played with him back in 2001 at this event!!! Oh my god dude, come on. For real, that's pretty weak that you aren't playing pro full time now.

He's playing father to 4 full time now from what I understand

Hey Kid, give 'em a break. I'd like to see the scores too, but they're dealing with about 8-10 times the players most TD's have to sort through. If Ernie's doing it himself, that's a lot of scores to input. If each course director put them it, it would be much quicker, it that was an option. rWc3523

whats wrong with this picture,every other tournament this weekend has there scores posted,seems that there is something wrong here,come on BG wake up and finish the job you get paid to do!

theres nothing wrong with the picture as far as scores go give them a break they dont get paid to do that .do you run a event with 720 players i bet you dont even know the shear amount of work invovled in running a tourament no matter the amount of players they did awesome job for the better part and if you were so worried about scores why didnt you offer your services to do it

The BG Crew did a great job with this event, mad props to them all. I have only been playing since June of 2007 and this is my first PDGA Tourney. I played in two local Ice Bowls this year and this event is a huge undertaking from what I can fathom. Give them time to get the scores posted, they are as tired as the rest of us players from running this huge tourney! Thanks to all the Intermediate guys I played with for giving this rec player (who played up a division) lots of encouragement and tips! I had a blast and will be back for 2009!

Thank you Ernie for all your hard work. You can rest now!

whats wrong with this picture,every other tournament this weekend has there scores posted,seems that there is something wrong here,come on BG wake up and finish the job you get paid to do!

theres nothing wrong with the picture as far as scores go give them a break they dont get paid to do that .do you run a event with 720 players i bet you dont even know the shear amount of work invovled in running a tourament no matter the amount of players they did awesome job for the better part and if you were so worried about scores why didnt you offer your services to do it



While he didn't ask it particularly well, kidmills has a point. Yes, it's a lot of work to run a 720-person event. However, all it takes to get scores up is one individual with a computer, and someone to call the scores in from each course, or perhaps one person with a laptop. The BG club is making some $$$ from this event,can afford to pay someone to do this if necessary, the PDGA did send two marshals to the event, and part of their duties are typically posting scores online. This could be handled, and I don't think it's really too much to ask to get scores at least at the end of each day. Kudos to all the BG guys, Ernie and his crew are great. I think it's something they should strive to do in the future...it'd make their tournament even better. Yes, the round ratings will be screwed up until Mr. Gentry processes the event (because of the multiple pools for 3 separate divisions), but that's ok, at least the scores would be up, and people would know who that big event. Round ratings are secondary to the actual scores, anyway.

And for what it's worth, I (or probably a half-dozen others) would have gladly posted the scores if someone would have called them in to me/them. The person posting scores doesn't even have to be in Bowling Green to do that.

Chap

Ernie is working hard today to ge the scores in, and we the club officers realize that is bogie for us.

Just like the new corse at Phil Moore, the next time we play we will not make the same shot decision and try to make that into a birdie.

As difficult as this is in pulling off the worlds biggest event with all of the extras we try to provide for the players, I think se still had more of birdies than bogies, and can not wait to try to improve on our efforts.

Thanks to all that came, all who jumped in in the many, many ways to each of us that give weeks of our time to make this event happe.

Playing in my first AM event I want to thank the 16 players that I have never had the opportunity to play with for your sportsmanship in this game.

With that said, I need to go back to playing with kids my own age, so I do not feel like I need to thorw 500' and then have to set in the hot tub untill the next tee time!

We were looking at the fund raiser disc on Saturday night only to see a photo from our group last year on it!!! LOL

We all thought that was pretty cool!

It was great to meet and play on your card Sunday morning! Enjoyed the enriched history lesson of BG and it's courses, and getting to hear of your experiences and travels. You were a true ambassador at the event HB.

Would some one who was at the awards Sun. night please send me an email. I have a couple questions. Thanks

[email protected]

Great Job Ernie and the BG crew. It was an awsome event. Bowling Green is a great place to play. Special thanks to all the Baggers I played with. 16 different ones over 4 rounds. Can't believe I didn't play with the same player twice. Lots of card movement. It was fun to travel up and down the leader board. Wind was strong and wasn't friendly to Mini Thumber, but fun to watch different flights. Congrats to Lil Wiggins and all the Carolina Players, you'all did a fine job and represented well.Jerry and I had our own little battle going on, that was a blast. Rocky 1 up LOL.

Thanks BG Crew
Mini Thumber, Kinda good Rec Player.

What Rocky and PP said. Congrats also to his daughter Dawn Geist for 2nd in her division.

Way to go Dawn!!. Can't wait to see how the rest of the NC team did. Welcome back Boy's and Girls. Can't wait to see you guys.

Did anyone see DGTV at BG this weekend?

www.breakingdgnews.com (http://www.breakingdgnews.com)

DGTV was there, I saw Alan filming the final 9.

i saw em during the final, i'm gonna try to get my video up asap of the final (probally just some hole highlights)

CBP Presents:
2008 Bowling Green Ams Final 9 Highlights

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f3FjudF4fVk

Enjoy!

Music by Sons of Roswell
http://myspace.com/sonsofroswell

I certainly would have thoughts when I checked this morning scores would have been up. Interesting to say the least.

scores please :confused:

Thanks for a great weekend! No rain, courses looked great, It was well worth the countless hours of preperation. We are a not for profit organization, any money that is made goes 100% back into disc golf around the area.

Unfortunately, we did drop the ball on the scoring.........We take full responsibility for letting everybody down on this important piece, that we did not properly prepare for, we won't make the same mistake again. We are already getting ready for next year, so please send some feedback through our website www.bgdgclub.com (http://www.bgdgclub.com)

I think Ernie did great for running his first big tournament, we have some great ideas for next year, I hope to see everybody next spring.....

Josh Dobelstein
President
Bowling Green Disc Golf Club Inc.

Josh,

Don't sweat it!

I had a blast playing BG. Thanks for holding off on the rain!

I run a tournament once a year with only 90 people playing and it is enough just to get those 90 scores posted before people start hollering. I can not imagine all the hours it must take to run a event with 720.

Please thank all those who helped out this weekend and let them know there are a bunch of us who appreciate all their hard work.

For those complaining about the scores not being posted, just chill. They will be up soon enough. Of course if you kept track, you know how you finished anyway.

Later,

Mike D

Josh,

The scoring for me would just be nice. It is not that huge. Now, what was huge was the lag in the 2nd round of the Advanced & the Final 9. What was the cause of that? I was surprised to see them still playing the 2nd round when we pulled into the Phil Moore parking lot!!!!

Kudos to Ernie and his crew for another great tourney. I heard that World's has about 250 volunteers. BG has how many? So stop complaining about the scores not being updated. I've ran many events and some were very stressful with just 80 players. Ernie needs the rest of the week off to just recover.

I have one complaint. Move the tourney to a 3 day event. 1st round on Fri. 2nd and 3rd on Sat. 4th on Sun with the final 9 following it. This would work better so people could get on the road at a decent hour. Let's face it most people get to BG as early as Wed so starting the rounds a day early wouldn't hurt. Plus playing 1 round on Friday you could hit another for practice. It can be done! None the less I'll be back next year for some more abuse from the weather and the courses. Thanks again!

Finally the ratings are up!!!!!!!!!!!











































April Fools!!!!

;)

It seems to me that BG Am and Pro weekends might work better if only the four Advanced pools played on one weekend with 360 players and all of the other Am divisions played on the same weekend as the Pros with less than 500 players to manage. Then you would have built in spectators for the pros and eager, less skilled ams interested in pro clinics. Seems like it might level out the load, players might get to play a better course or two and BG would still be able to host as many people as they do now on two weekends.

I could handle the Friday - Sunday deal because I usually come up on Friday anyway, but I would NOT like to see the pools split since a lot of people, myself included, arrive with players in advanced and intermediate. I would not want to make two trips to BG with gas going sky high. More volunteers would be the answer and I feel bad I did not offer to help the guy at our course, but I thought he had help. That would have sped up our rounds Sunday because we started at 8 a.m. Didn't start round two until 2 p.m. and got to Phil Moore just in time for the final to begin. All in all I thought it went well, considering the logistics of it all. rWc3523

Well I have thought hard about the scores not being up yet and am on both sides of the fence.

With a TD basically taking care of each pool I thought we would have rounds 1&2 posted on Saturday night. Round 2 for my pool was done before 5pm.

Now its Tuesday morning and scores are still not up.

I also understand that it is a huge amount of scores. However, I think BG needs to take a look at how worlds does scoring and try to do a better job still.

Great weekend and great job overall though. Very happy with the tourney, town and weekend.

Really surprised that the Int & Rec Women only paid out the top 2. Aren't we suppose to be encouraging women to come out? Most tourneys even pay all Am Women just for playing.

Really surprised that the Int & Rec Women only paid out the top 2. Aren't we suppose to be encouraging women to come out? Most tourneys even pay all Am Women just for playing.



I think women divisions should be paid depth as the rest. I would rather see women playing in Int, rec with the guys. I had the pleasure of playing with one of the few women/girls that played rec this weekend and it was a pleasure and a joy.

I could handle the Friday - Sunday deal because I usually come up on Friday anyway, but I would NOT like to see the pools split since a lot of people, myself included, arrive with players in advanced and intermediate. I would not want to make two trips to BG with gas going sky high. More volunteers would be the answer and I feel bad I did not offer to help the guy at our course, but I thought he had help. That would have sped up our rounds Sunday because we started at 8 a.m. Didn't start round two until 2 p.m. and got to Phil Moore just in time for the final to begin. All in all I thought it went well, considering the logistics of it all. rWc3523



HOLY SMOKES! 2pm!!!!!

What happened that took 6 hours for 1 round and 1 hour of lunch????

Chuck, I would actually flip that. Let the Advanced, Advanced women, and maybe advanced Masters merge with the Pro field, and have the intermediate and rec divisions play on an earlier weekend. You can still have a huge event, but the advanced would tend to know and travel with their local pros more than the intermediates would.

Mark, we started at 8 a.m. at Franklin-Simpson and when I asked the TD there what time we would start the second round he said not before 12:30. I asked what time it was and it was 11:30 a.m. We'd been done for a little while and he said more likely 1 p.m. We arrived at Keriakes aty 12:30 p.m. after eating at Mickey D's and didn't start until, really a little after 2 p.m. Like I said, I should have offered to help with the cards once the TD arrived. Two people per course would ease that burden and some courses had two people because my wife was one of them. Still, I had a great time as always. rWc3523

By having the Advanced separate, it would help keep up the numbers on the pro weekend the way Brakel's events skip every other division on one day so every player but Open has the chance to play in their division one day and a higher one the next. Advanced and Pros are going to want to play the same courses which is much easier to do on separate weekends.

Well, that explains it all (why the Final 9 started late) sorta. So, are saying that YOU are all to blame for everything running late??? LOL LOL LOL

Yeah, we were playing our second round at 12:00.

I brought all the homebrewed beer and only Flint Town Flyerz enojoyed it down there. :confused:

I can only take responsibility for MY pool! ;) Hey, I'd a shared a home brew if I coulda found ya! rWc3523

This past BG Ams was my 4th straight & I found 3 problems that were more prominent this year then in the past.

1. Delay in scores being posted

2. Delay of payouts (2nd round done at 2:45 pm paid out at 6:45 pm)

3. Payouts being the same for placement 40th to 80th (beat 160 players & get 1 DX disc)

A couple of things.

first, the payout has never been "great" for any division in any place but the players pack is thought of as good enough to offset it.

Second, I say leave the am weekend the way it is now. Most of the complaints seem to be from things that were changed from last year. I live 30 minutes from BG and I honestly don't know if I could get off for that Friday because of when it seems to fall every year. Plus as pointed out by someone else most people I met this weekend had people playing all over the divisions. Leave it the way it was and improve what you are doing now.

Finally, thanks to all TDs and volunteers.

NEWS FLASH!!! TDs and volunteers have day jobs. Chill out on the scores. There was a long waiting list of people who didn't make the registration closing. If all you want to do is complain, then stay home next year and some other more respectful disc golfer can play instead. As for payouts for 41-80, if you had known where you finished you would have recieved other than DX. My fault for not knowing that. I dont think I will VOLUNTEER to help payout INT. pool next year. And yes, I played 4 rounds as well as all of you. By the way, I played in C pool. You know, the pool that didn't start thier second round until 2 sunday. And, I did offer to help our TD in between rounds that day.

I agree with Robert. Keep it the way it is.

Thanks Greg. Did Bob not take you up on your offer? I don't know if he shuffled the board before leaving Franklin (a long way from Keriakes) or after arriving at Keriakes. And yeah, he needed to get something to eat. If there's a solo TD for my pool next year, I'll offer to help. rWc3523

Oh yeah, keep it the way it is. They will probably get the bugs out by next year anyway.

Last year

1. Delay in scores being posted (I seem to remember there being a delay also last year)

2. Delay of payouts (2nd round done at @2:45 pm paid out at @6:45 pm, although they did give in halfway through the final 9 and paid out the baby ams...oh same as this year :p)

3. Payouts being the same for placement 30th to 50th (2 DX discs)

Get over it. TDing an event that huge is a major pain and they do it for you so be thankful that this year it wasn't cancelled. Its tough to get enough volonteers to pull off an event like this smoothly so theres bound to be some speedbumps.
Great Players pack and great times were had by all of us from Lexington!! See you all next year and mucho thanks to all the BG crew! You all better show up to the Lex X....(haha shameless plug!)

This year they had the online thing where you can get your payout at a later date and get to go home before dark. They didn't have that last year, so thats an improvement.
The Final 9 also took longer since it was being played on a course with longer playing times (as opposed to White last year)

I was really happy to see Kelsy B playing with the Int Men this year (she whooped my butt) I know she was playing down and all to our level...bagger. :D
I just hope all of us Lexington guys didn't leave a bad impression from all the goofyness this year. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Oh well enough rambling my arm has recovered from its 225 tournament shots and I'm ready to play my Riney B with its sparkling new 6x12 pads!! :D

Drinkintoomuchcoffee-ly yours,
Drew

Bob didn't take me up on the offer to help. I think he didn't want any one complaining that a golfer in their division "adjusted" the scores. I can understand that.

Ernie great job, Brent and all the other TD's thank you for your time( I know a Brent would have rather been playing ) The city of BG thanks for having us!!! Now to all the lucky players that had me on their card :p, I had a great time, And to Jeremy Meier the Floridian that let me bunk in his room a big thanks, we didn't get kicked out-bonus. To everyone that stayed in the host motel---practice throwing those minis (the DUFF is the hallway distance champ for 08.

The "security" guard did not catch you???

He must have been on his donut break.

For anyone complaining about the TD, I challenge you to move down here to BG and become the TD of BG Ams and see what it's like having to take care of over 700 golfers. This isnt your typical B and C tier with 30-50 golfers. We are a volunteer based organization. There's no money in this for us. We do what we can when we can because all of us have other responsibilities such as work, school, and families. This was the TD's 1st time running the BG Ams, and for him take on the monumental task of this event deserves nothing but praise. It seems everyone wants to find the flaws and not the good things that happened. Remember, we're volunteers, and as such no one is required to do anything around here, and remember that the BG Ams is a priviledge. We dont have to put on this tournament if we dont want to.

ok, not complaining just wondering. do we have any idea when the scores might be up. i ask so that 700 people can stop refreshing the tournament page on the pdga site. im sure they are getting the most traffic right now than ever.

do we have an eta on the numbers so people can sit back and relax instead of checking every 30 seconds.?

Ok...

I have not been complaining. Some people have, that is their choice. Some of their complaints are valid. Some not so much.

However, the "you volunteer" arguements are complete garbage! When I run events, I take the lumps as they come. That is what you do when you run an event, you take the praise and you have to take the complaints. It comes with the territory. You don't get to pick and choose...

If your club is going to be known as running "The Largest Disc Golf Event in the World" that is a fact that you like to taut, then you better be prepared to step up to the plate and run a GREAT event.

I don't ask out of town player's to volunteer at my events. I get people from my club, those that are going to be directly benefitting from an event, just like your club does. No, you are not paid, but you get nice new courses and other improvments from running an event...

Am I saying that it was horrible event? No, of course not. Am I saying that there needs to be some improvements. Yes, there are things that should be addressed.

I had a good time at the event! People just need to take the critism with the praise. ;)

i heard that the winner of the juniors drove 700 miles with his family to be there, and for first place got one disc and a coffee cup. Is this true?

Did "you know who" have anything to do with this tournament?

Understood. Maybe for closure of this issue, someone with knowledge could post when the scores are expected to be posted. period, end of discussion. Other than that, the issue has been fully vetted. thanks again to all the volunteers, those I had the pleasure of meeting, and all the friends we shared this great time with.

I'm sure he'll get flooded with emails now, but just e-mail the TD.

i heard that the winner of the juniors drove 700 miles with his family to be there, and for first place got one disc and a coffee cup. Is this true?

Did "you know who" have anything to do with this tournament?



I heard the same thing and that REEK's!!!

How about next year instead of playing 4 rounds per division you run 3 rounds then the Final 9 for the top Adv (ala Brent Hambrick Memorial) I know personally I wouldn't mind missing a round if it meant getting it over at a better time.
Not sure how you'd work it out though so the fields get to play the same courses.

Either that or eliminate the Final 9 altogether :p

i heard that the winner of the juniors drove 700 miles with his family to be there, and for first place got one disc and a coffee cup. Is this true?

Did "you know who" have anything to do with this tournament?



Well, we all know that it is a function of how many people are in the pool that you are playing. Would you think that they are going to take money from another division?

We're from Alabama and my wife volunteered Friday during the players meeting and they put her to work. She enjoys it especially since she wasn't playing this year. She worked a pool through the event and during the final.
I'd be more than happy to help my pool director after the rounds next year if he/she will haul me to the next course (and by a drive through for a burger). I've TD'd 12 Ice bowls and other events at home so I know how to shuffle a board. If you have a problem with me being a player assisting the TD, ask my group about me notifying them about playing the wrong disc in the water on #3 at Phil Moore. It would have been easy to blow off and continue on. It cost me two strokes, but the good karma was worth it. Just trying to step up and offer some help because being a TD/co-TD I know how hard it is to get volunteers.. rWc3523

How about next year instead of playing 4 rounds per division you run 3 rounds then the Final 9 for the top Adv (ala Brent Hambrick Memorial) I know personally I wouldn't mind missing a round if it meant getting it over at a better time.
Not sure how you'd work it out though so the fields get to play the same courses.

Either that or eliminate the Final 9 altogether :p



My suggestion was Adv. play 4 rounds, Int. play 3 rounds, Rec. plays 2. Everything would get done faster, and people could get their prizes faster and head home. If we go to unlimited numbers next year then we'll have to do this.

We're from Alabama and my wife volunteered Friday during the players meeting and they put her to work. She enjoys it especially since she wasn't playing this year. She worked a pool through the event and during the final.
I'd be more than happy to help my pool director after the rounds next year if he/she will haul me to the next course (and by a drive through for a burger). I've TD'd 12 Ice bowls and other events at home so I know how to shuffle a board. If you have a problem with me being a player assisting the TD, ask my group about me notifying them about playing the wrong disc in the water on #3 at Phil Moore. It would have been easy to blow off and continue on. It cost me two strokes, but the good karma was worth it. Just trying to step up and offer some help because being a TD/co-TD I know how hard it is to get volunteers.. rWc3523



You cant mess with the scores though in your division. I admire your willingness to help out, and have great respect for you for it, but I believe it's against PDGA rules.

Which rule is that...

I agree probably not a good idea. I do not think that it is a rule.

I point out 3 deficiencies that can addressed for future events and people indicate I am complaining. I am not complaining, my goal is to bring insight so the future of disc golf grows and every event ends with a positive experience.

TD's like feedback on areas that need improvement, being a TD of over 30 PDGA sanctioned events I welcome feedback on areas that need to be addressed for future events. I respect and welcome other's insight who play my events on how events can be run more effiecently.

Thanks Ernie & BG for another great event.

Please take my words as insight from a players prospective and not criticism. Thanks Again !

Anyone can help out that wants to help out, it is up to the TD. I helped my BG TD shuffle 2 boards.

If we go to unlimited numbers next year then we'll have to do this.




Unlimited Numbers HAHAHAHA! What a fiasco that'd be! :D


Rec plays 2 rounds at Natcher :eek:


Correction: the Rec Baggers play Natcher 2 rounds

We all know that this year it was the Masters that held up the cards hahaha! Just kidding!!

I have done all the scoring at an event before and played(came in 2nd in MA1)...I could not make a ruling in MA1( the TD had to make the call)...no rule against it...heck a TD can play in the event they are running...and in the case of the Memorial, the Td can even win their division :o

While this has nothing to do with the tournament itself, it's unfortunate that the host hotel had security guards on a power trip. The Best Western had enough issues to worry about (no water Thursday morning, TV's not working, reservations being changed on their own, etc.). I've never been aware of a rent a cop being able to carry a gun, let alone draw it just to prove a point.

Dude, I've been to countless tournaments in 24 years where volunteers that were playing helped shuffle a scoreboard. I know of no rule in the PDGA Rule Book that says I cannot help with the scoreboard. If I'm not correct, someone please point it out.

But hey, I tried. rWc3523

Dude, I've been to countless tournaments in 24 years where volunteers that were playing helped shuffle a scoreboard. I know of no rule in the PDGA Rule Book that says I cannot help with the scoreboard. If I'm not correct, someone please point it out.

But hey, I tried. rWc3523



I was always told that say you were in Adv. and the official needed help with the boards, because the pool was all Adv. players you werent allowed to help. If its not a rule then that's great because alot of officials at any tournament can always use help.

The fact that you can't make a ruling in your division (per the Rulebook) has been interpreted by some TDs to not allow players to do scoring or shuffle cards for their division. It's not unreasonable for TDs to have that restriction but it's not in writing in PDGA docs.

You cant mess with the scores though in your division. I admire your willingness to help out, and have great respect for you for it, but I believe it's against PDGA rules.


hahaha thats funny
I helped out pool G (calling out scores) for a short time), Guess I broke this phantom(stupid) rule. haha

I would never want to see a rule like this, It would slow down play.. what if the TD is an Advanced or whatever player..

The TD has just sent all the scores to the PDGA, and they will be posting them asap. We take ownership of all these issues you all are mentioning, and understand the frustration. We accept all feedback with grace. Thanks again, it is an honor to have you come to Bowling Green to share this experience. We do encourage all feedback, to make it a better experience for years to come. I wonder how good we will be at running these things 10 years from now????? Imagine what the courses will look like then?????

As for changing formats and helping TD's count scores, these decisions will be made by the board members and pdga rules and regulations.......

If we confirm a 3 day event for next year starting on Friday 2pm, you will know 6 months in advance so you can plan accordingly. We are excited to take BG Ams 09 to the next level with better communications, and accomodations!!!!

Thanks again, I had a great time, even though I'm still working countless hours......when will this end:)

Here's to good times, and long term friendships for years to come!!

After all, we are playing for frisbees......right?? (and bragging rights. I worked so hard, I lost all kind of local side bets....lol)

This tournament has a great impact on our community, the day after everybody left, the courses were packed with new players from around town that noticed you all playing!!

Thanks again,

Josh Dobelstein
President
Bowling Green Disc Golf Club Inc.

The TD has just sent all the scores to the PDGA, and they will be posting them asap. We take ownership of all these issues you all are mentioning, and understand the frustration. We accept all feedback with grace. Thanks again, it is an honor to have you come to Bowling Green to share this experience. We do encourage all feedback, to make it a better experience for years to come. I wonder how good we will be at running these things 10 years from now????? Imagine what the courses will look like then?????

As for changing formats and helping TD's count scores, these decisions will be made by the board members and pdga rules and regulations.......

If we confirm a 3 day event for next year starting on Friday 2pm, you will know 6 months in advance so you can plan accordingly. We are excited to take BG Ams 09 to the next level with better communications, and accomodations!!!!

Thanks again, I had a great time, even though I'm still working countless hours......when will this end:)

Here's to good times, and long term friendships for years to come!!

After all, we are playing for frisbees......right?? (and bragging rights. I worked so hard, I lost all kind of local side bets....lol)

This tournament has a great impact on our community, the day after everybody left, the courses were packed with new players from around town that noticed you all playing!!

Thanks again,

Josh Dobelstein
President
Bowling Green Disc Golf Club Inc.

So anyone have a clue how long it will take the PDGA now to get them posted?

does "sent to the pdga" = sent to Chuck?

Yes we do carry, and not appreciative to the term Rent a Cop. This is just what society has forced upon us, and we need to , to make it safe for all. Hope you slept secure.

Hopefully, all players set a good example for the local community so we get invited back.

I would like to expecially thank the TD for the H pool. He was very informative, and treated all with a sense of encouragement to do well. He truly spoke to every discgolfer as we came through, and felt like a friend, even though we had just met. Good job TD, your kindness and Information was appreciated.
Thanks
Mini Thumber

The TD for the G Pool was a very nice guy as well! I wished that I had my spare disc box because I wanted to offer him a disc or two for his efforts. Of course, I did not think about that until Sunday...

does "sent to the pdga" = sent to Chuck?



negative, it means "sent to the pdga" office- in general it is the td's responsibility to post scores to this website, not the pdga office's responsibility. perhaps they will make an exception for this exceptional event and post for him.

The TD has just sent all the scores to the PDGA, .


you do not send the scores to the PDGA until you turn in the official results. to post scores you upload them yourself just like you did when you entered everyones name in and it posts instantly. looks like Bowling Green misses Larry! should would like to know who won?????????????

Like BWD said...

Pretty much you upload your spreadsheet & it is online right away. Now, with this many players and pools it might not be that easy.

so was there a hand off here, and the scores wont be posted now?

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looks like Bowling Green misses Larry! <font color="red">sjur </font> would like to know who won?????????????


2nd
I spoke to several people who don't even know where they finished

I am only loosely affiliated with the Bowling Green Disc Golf Club and my comments DO NOT represent that club in any way. My comment about complaints refers to those few individuals who make the same statements over and over again before and after the event. As a TD (not at this event) I also welcome constructive comments. Indeed, I gave a few to Ernie myself. This was his first year running this event and I think he did an excellent job. Larry ran this for many years and was very good at it, but he had years to perfect it. I believe the term "learning curve" would be appropriate here. Oh, by the way, I don't know how I did either.

Can we atleast get a few teasers of who won what? I haven't even seen a list of winners unless I missed it in the 90 pages.

I appreciate the BGDGC taking ownership of the fact that final scores are getting out so slowly; this is a sign of organizational integrity. For those people on this board telling other people not to complain about not getting their final placement, I would disagree in that I can understand peoples' frustration. After paying hundreds of dollars for the trip down to BG and to play in the tournament, I must admit that I am a little dissapointed by the fact that it is Tuesday afternoon and I still have no idea where I finished. It has been odd yesterday and today with respect to people asking me how I did and my only response is, "honestly, I'm not sure." I initially figured that by the time I drove home from BG to central Ohio on Sunday night, the scores would have been posted. As such, I am curious about what specifically was the issue in terms of getting scores posted (or almost posted)? Thanks for any insight...

The PDGA is helping Ernie, he sent them the scores, they will clean it up, and upload it for him.......

Thanks again, no doubt Larry had this thing down, he helped us as much as he could.

Don't worry, BG Ams 09 will rock!

PS: I don't know where I finished either........lol........and I think our volunteer number was around 20-25.....

something is going on

scores (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=7295)

looks like they're up now

Dave sent me the file and I think I've gotten it worked out. There were several duplicate entries I had to find and delete. Did the women playoff for the win? I left them tied in the upload. I had 690 players. Did we lose 30 players in the scores or was that the final count?

Remember that ratings are not correct.

Nice Job lil Wig. Tops for NC

Chuck I think I read weveral pages back that it was called due to DARKNESS

Chuck, or anyone. RECS did not play a final 9, so the 3 at the top are wrong, although I liked being moved upto 2nd:)

Nevermind, fast fix I see

I missed getting the Finals column in the first upload sort and caught it pretty fast.

does "sent to the pdga" = sent to Chuck?



negative, it means "sent to the pdga" office-



thought you knew everything biscoe?! ;)

thanks for all the work you do Chuck!

Chuck,
Just a question, Will the ratings be fixed before the actual ratings update, or will we have to wait till the the end of the month?

The ratings are not usually "fixed" until the TD report is turned in and the next update.

It's way to much work fiddling with pools and course layouts to make the unoffical ratings work, especially since we're just about to do all of the pool work for the official ratings. That's going to be interesting to figure out as it is. When we have scoring set up for Worlds in advance, we can handle the pools online properly. With 1000 people, the scoring team there will have quite a challenge.

Did we lose 30 players in the scores or was that the final count?




I did notice a couple of names that are missing in the INT field that I know played and finished. Also I came in tied for 34th but it shows me tied at 26th. So I believe there are some names missing above me also.

You should be able to get a good idea about ratings from looking at past events on those courses several which have been played many times for ratings. Here's where you can find the SSAs: www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php)

I'm not listed in the final standings, neither are the other Intermediate players who were in G pool... That's probably part of the number gap.

I'm cross tabbing the file right now so we can let Ernie know whose scores are missing. Thanks for the tip.

I thought you had to be 970 and below to compete in AM's? Why is there a 979 and a 977 rated player that was able to compete? I'm I reading the ratings guide wrong?

below 970 if you have previously excepted cash

: ) :

you have to be 970 or below to play down as a pro- if you've never taken cash or registered as a pro you can have any rating.

the new rule is you can now play ams below 970 no matter what as long as it is not a major or NT. that includes registering or takeing cash right??

Thanks for the insight. I still think that if you win a tourney like this you shoud move up.

Thanks again BG! It's probably been said before but no matter how great things would have ran, you still would have complaints. 20-25 volunteers? And the biggest complaint is the scores aren't on the PDGA yet? I'm glad that's the "biggest problem" that has happend. See ya next year!

here is a question, does anyone know when the discgolf-U accounts will be up for those of us who had to leave right away to travel home?

alright, looking at advanced here's the way i see it shaking down. someone from ohio takes it this year. I don't even think it'll be estenbagger (AM1- Baggin -if anyone saw that t shirt last year it was awesome). Too many good players registered from ohio from north to
south. kentucky gets smacked around because thats how kentucky rolls. michigan is so far north, they might as well be canadians. I don't know about you, but I've never met a canadian who could throw (no offense to the canucks, i just don't know very many canadians). I didn't mean to shut down the trash talking before it even got started, but there it is. Ohio is just too strong this year.



This is how Kentucky rolls!

5 in the top 11 including the 2 top spots. Where's the boys from Ohio?

1 Joshua Thomsom 32572 936 47 61 52 53 29 -1 242
2 Marc Estenfelder 13425 979 64 47 49 55 33 +5 248
2 Blair Bose 25560 959 60 50 51 57 30 +5 248
4 Ian Anderson 33188 922 50 61 53 53 32 +6 249
5 Tate Handy 30613 965 61 49 53 55 33 +8 251
6 Matt Odenwelder 31710 960 65 50 51 53 +3 219
7 David Wiggins 24437 941 51 63 50 57 +5 221
8 Eric Galluser 25830 955 63 52 55 53 +7 223
9 Jeremy Watts 21281 963 65 52 54 53 +8 224
9 Shane Ownby 25791 938 64 50 55 55 +8 224
9 Jeremy Rusco 29631 953 63 50 52 59 +8 224

here is a question, does anyone know when the discgolf-U accounts will be up for those of us who had to leave right away to travel home?


I am currently working on getting all of that information into the DGU System. I know that Ernie is hard at work in getting the payout to us so that we can get everyone's payout in their account as soon as possible. We appreciate your patience.

We will begin sending out emails notifying folks that their accounts are active as soon as we can.

Well, with those being "home" courses I would expect to have a lot of KY players.

1 Michigan player or should I say near-Canadian in the Top 5... :D

here is a question, does anyone know when the discgolf-U accounts will be up for those of us who had to leave right away to travel home?


I am currently working on getting all of that information into the DGU System. I know that Ernie is hard at work in getting the payout to us so that we can get everyone's payout in their account as soon as possible. We appreciate your patience.

We will begin sending out emails notifying folks that their accounts are active as soon as we can.



thank you

Looks like I tied for 7th in the Serious Dedicated Bagger pool. I'm one of the intermediates who got misplaced. Looks like Kelsey picked up 14 times as many points as she would have if she had just taken the easy win in women's advanced.

I have not checked yet. Are they bothering with unofficial ratings or are they throwing the scores up as if everyone played the same courses?

Unofficial ratings are nice but I understand it is harder to do that with multiple pools of players from the same division and multiple divisions with multiple pools. And pools with multiple divisions.

Speaking as a TD who has handled 200+ on a weekend, but not 700+, I think they do a reasonably good job, assuming they find my score and kelsey's score and post them by the end of the day. :D

I'm glad that's the "biggest problem" that has happend.



A player getting a gun pulled on him at the host hotel by a rent-a-cop might qualify...

Great shooting lil wig.

i heard that the winner of the juniors drove 700 miles with his family to be there, and for first place got one disc and a coffee cup. Is this true?

Did "you know who" have anything to do with this
tournament?




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i heard that the winner of the juniors drove 700 miles with his family to be there, and for first place got one disc and a coffee cup. Is this true?

Did "you know who" have anything to do with this tournament?



I heard the same thing and that REEK's!!!

Gentlemen, please let me clarify a few things for you all. I am the father of that junior boy under 13 champion and another junior boy that placed 2nd in the under 16 jr. division. First off we actually drove, yes we drove, 3,367 total miles round trip. For a total of 49 hours of total drive time. How am I posting so quickly you ask? Because we drove to Memphis after payouts on Sunday and then we drove 20 straight hours on Monday to arrive home in Pinetop Arizona, Tuesday at 4:30 A.M. I have no idea how or why I'm still awake? Adrenaline maybe, who knows?
Now as far as what my boys were payed out or not payed out is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is, is the fact that the boss (my wife) and my self both concluded that we will make this tournament a permanent stop on our yearly tour every year from here till our arms fall off. He had quite an adventure from the time we drove down our street to the time we drove back into the driveway.
We have been blessed enough to be able to travel to alot (36 total tourneys for my 8 year old) of different destinations and meet just a whole variety of people. We never know quite what to expect when we arrive at our different destinations, so we always try to go out of our way to be as friendly and as courteous to everyone. On our trip to BG we met up with many old friends and made a whole lot more. We were treated very kindly by everyone from our hotel staff, to tournament personal, to the different restraunts staff we visited while in Bowling Green. Which is extremely important to us. And this is why we will return, hopefully you'll have us back.
As far as payouts or players packs or scores posting or any other complaints that any of the rest of you have, well, this would be the place to voice your opinions. I, myself, have several suggestions to help make Bowling Green a more successful event and will contact Ernie myself, (at a later time) to make my suggestions, and I'm completely sure that he would be more than happy to hear my, or any of your suggestions.
In the meantime, THANK YOU BGDGC and all the volunteers and all the kind people of the Bowling Green community for all that you gave to put on an exceptional tournament, and we'll see you all next year!!!
Thanks to Nicks sponsors for all your support...Innova Discs, Hard Nine Disc Golf, Lifetime Disc Sports, and 4Handz Disc Golf.

Total drive time=49 hours
Total mileage=3,367
Total money spent=I'll do the math later???
A great time and a big win in BG=PRICELESS :D

Just sent Ernie a list of about 30 names whose scores seem to be missing. I'll get them updated when I get the scores back from him.

might as well recognize some more KY boys in the top 20, Joe Thomas, Dutch Napier, Justin Moore.........

too bad big blue didn't make as strong of showing in the ncaa tourney...........

The courses definitely exploited the strongest weakness in my game (100 foot up shots). They showed me what I need to work on the most. Hopefully the experience can make me a better player. I had a great time even if I played like TOTAL crap. Top memories: Doubles at the courses, a dollar skins round at Wah Bah escalating to a 12 dollar per man hole, and not having one uncool person on any of my cards!

Great meeting all of you guys that I played with from round one through four.

He did awsome, Cupcake did a great Job too. Future looking good for Carolina. At least our youngens can bring-it.

Mini Thumber, a kinda good rec player :p

I'm glad that's the "biggest problem" that has happend.



A player getting a gun pulled on him at the host hotel by a rent-a-cop might qualify...



what??

I'm glad that's the "biggest problem" that has happend.



A player getting a gun pulled on him at the host hotel by a rent-a-cop might qualify...



what??



I'll retract my quote then! That's pretty bad! What happend?

from what i know, there was someone knocking on doors late at night looking for a poker game. this upset security. said person was with suspect #2, who was apparently being lippy with rent-a-cop and rent-a-cop decided to pull his gun and jam it into the stomach of suspect #2.....thats about the long and short of what happened at the hotel from what i have heard....my story may or may not be factually correct but i heard this from more than one eye witness....

If a Security Officer pulled a gun on someone, then this is possibly abuse of authority based on what circumstances, and should have been reported to a Supervisor. I heard someone was arrested for having and Illegal substance, not sure if thats true, I hope not, but even that would not be reason to display a firearm unless he/she felt threatened for his/hers life, or the safety of others.

Mini Thumber

Did the women playoff for the win? I left them tied in the upload.



ADVANCED WOMEN:
sandra and sarah were tied after the final 9. they had a sudden death putt off in the gym. sandra won it for 1st place.

i believe this was to officially claim 1st place, please double check with ernie.

congrats to all the winners!

For what it's worth I saw the women's putt-off and have pics if anyone wants them! ;) Sandra won the second time around I believe. rWc3523

the arrest took place after the gun was pulled and the police were called.....

Cool, out of the first 20 advanced masters, I was the only sub 900 (897) player, finishing tied for 12th! :) rWc3523

Yeah, the RaC ran me off of the hot tub for having a bottled beer. He was nice about it and they weren't allowed anyway. I think he let us stay in the hot tub a half hour later Friday. They did clamp down on some of the fun, but I suppose he was doing his job. I guess the management got tired of calls from non disc golfing guests. They called our room about 11 p.m. asking if we were playing a "boom box." We said we weren't. It was really the computer speakers. The ironic part was the music was from a band called "BoomBox"! Oh well.

Still had fun. rWc35523

CBP Presents:
2008 Bowling Green Ams Final 9 Highlights

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f3FjudF4fVk

Enjoy!

Music by Sons of Roswell
http://myspace.com/sonsofroswell

Hey, I hear this kid makes pretty decent videos! ;) rWc3523

from what i know, there was someone knocking on doors late at night looking for a poker game. this upset security. said person was with suspect #2, who was apparently being lippy with rent-a-cop and rent-a-cop decided to pull his gun and jam it into the stomach of suspect #2.....thats about the long and short of what happened at the hotel from what i have heard....my story may or may not be factually correct but i heard this from more than one eye witness....



I heard this from a pro that went for a fun weekend, and did not play. He from STL said, he was not impressed do to the fact he was told, if he played disc at the hotel he would have the cops called on him. He apparently said, WTF. Said person did not get arrested but it certainly left a very BAD TASTE. Just interesting. What has changed in 2 years or more? Maybe just an isolated incident?

Peace to all, and wish I could have seen, the biggest AM tourny in the world(period). Ernie sleep tight my friend, it is done.

Peace
RonSTL

What was anybody arrested for, and was it a player, or hotel guest. Law Enforcement, just doesn't pull guns out on people because they had a bad round or something. Must have been a reason. If not, then other matters need to be happening. Hope no-one ruined a great event put on by the BGDGC. Hopefully we get to come back.

Mini Thumber

The courses definitely exploited the strongest weakness in my game (100 foot up shots). They showed me what I need to work on the most. Hopefully the experience can make me a better player. I had a great time even if I played like TOTAL crap. Top memories: Doubles at the courses, a dollar skins round at Wah Bah escalating to a 12 dollar per man hole, and not having one uncool person on any of my cards!

Great meeting all of you guys that I played with from round one through four.


It was good to meet you WOJ! My 100 foot shots were killing me too! I had six birds at White and only shot 54 and seven birds at Phil Moore and shot 53! Rrrrrrr! I took a three on the 800 foot #2 and 911 footer though!

Can someone tell me why the round ratings are so low? I know some of the players and the ratings are extremely low? Just curious.

Can someone tell me why the round ratings are so low? I know some of the players and the ratings are extremely low? Just curious.



They do not have us sorted by what courses we played yet. The ratings are all bunched together as if all the divisions played the same courses and the same tees. I think we have to wait until the next ratings update 4/29 for them to be corrected. A few posts ago Chuck gave the link to the SSA for all the courses so you can look at that and see your approximate rating for the course. I really hope they will all be good by the next ratings update.

Yea missing people on the Int scores, I know I got @80th + as I didn't cash same with Robinson and Harrison who were one stroke better than me. I didn't see Cadwell or Dobbins who did cash. Also are the round ratings right according to who played what course when?

Guess we'll just have to wait to do the Lexington Bag tag shuffle till we get some nailed down scores. :p

The city comission and mayor all are excited that you guys came to our community, and at the public meeting tonight noted that this is the official disc golf meca of the world. I was there ito express an appreaciation of the great job the city parks do for our sport.

They also agreed to help in the funding of replacement baskets for the old mach 1 holes at Miller Park and to improve the sinage at Hobson Grove Park. We all want only first class facilities for our disc golf guest.

Beyond the minor items from a players perspective, in the big picture, this event is appreciated by the businesses and governments of Bowling Green and Warren County, and certinally the tourism comission, who greatly supports out efforts. That allows for continued sponsorships for the events and efforts of the Bowling Green Disc Golf Club.

A number of players asked me how we have so many people in town, from the gas station to the mayor knowledgeble on the sport, and the answer is 30+ years of media exposure, volenteerism, and dedication by all BG disc golf club members (young and old) to let everyone know this is sport that is on the grow and fits into todays society.

Thanks to all that joined the club during the weekend, your $5 dues will be put to work promoting the sport in Bowling Green during government meetings like tonight (all city officials got a club mini - green ones) as well as ongoing efforts to promote the good will and competitive sportsmanship that comes with the game of disc golf. Having low dues and encouraging members to give freely of time, both in course/event work and in obtaining sponsors is working for this community.

Also, as this thread is about to fade off as other current event threads get the highlights, I want to thank the dozen "hole sponsors", that paid $100 or $200 for their logo on the courses. Giving you a "free" entry with that is just a bonus, we know that you are doing that and much more in your own community to promote this sport.

And finally, at our club meeting later this week, we will be working on the pro NT, yes, anther major event in only 10 days. I hope some of the players from this wekend step up and play in this as well, but invite all of you to come watch the 31st Bowling Green Pro Open, we should get done before dark!!

I want to start by thanking all the volunteers and TDs that helped put this event on.

I have a few things I would like to mention but dont want what I have to say to be misconstrued as complaining, just a few ideas and what I noticed over the weekend. I have been to Bowling Green the last four years, however if the format is not changed next year I will not return. It seems this tournament has become about running a large event for the sake of running a large event. I believe the tournament would be better suited at a max of 360 competitors at 4 course, quality over quantity.

One of the problems with 8 courses is the amount of volunteers, it has been posted that you have a limited volunteer base, dont stretch them thin and lessen the quality of the event to accommodate more players. I heard many stories of pool TDs not familiar with the format to be played at a certain course, TDs not having enough score cards and having to make cards from spare paper, and TDs with out the skill and ability to turn a board around in a reasonable time. With four courses you can have 2 TDs per pool to prevent any possible problems that may arise and to get prepared in an adequate time for the next round.

The choice of courses played this year was rather odd to me, in advanced you had 2 courses that played very similar to each other(franklin and phil moore) and 3 course that were known to take a long time to play. You cant possible expect to get people out of town early sunday, I hope this is a goal, when you have people driving 30+ minutes to a course(Franklin) that took A pool 4.5 hours to play. The original four courses(Hobson, Lovers, Keriakes, White) have short drive times between them, and offer 4 distinctly different challenges for players to face.

I would like to vent on using Phil Moore park, it was clearly not ready for tournament golf. With the planted trees I can see some potential for the course in a few years but not this year. I look forward to hearing some of the pros opinions of the course after the NT. Where is the fairway on 15? My group nicknamed hole 17 "the stupidest hole ever" with the one saving grace that really cool bench made of rocks, could someone tell me the designers idea behind this hole? Sorry had to say something about this course.

Alot has already been said about the scoring so I will not say to much about it just a few points. Saturday night was when the scores really needed to be posted online, after the event is over it's over, we can wait a day to find out who came in what place. But requiring 720 people to show up to a players party to find out what pool they are in, in a building that supported maybe 150 people is crazy. Many people travel with their children and dont want them around a bunch of drunk idiots running around(yes I was wearing a shower cap). Then when you got to the players party the scores were left outside, IN THE DARK.

Most of what I mentioned is fairly trivial by itself, but added together left a pretty bad impression on anyone that paid attention. And probably the thing that got me the most was walking into the players party and seeing Ernie on stage the whole night while no scores were posted online and there wasn't even a light outside to see what pool you were in.

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I think we've got everyone's scores uploaded now. Let us know if any corrections.

Thanks for assisting in all that, Chuck. I have another question on the Ask Chuck thread.

I want to thank everyone in Bowling Green who made this tournamentpossible and also the DUFF how split a room with me at the host hotel. It was great meeting and playing with everyone. The courses are great. Keep it up.

My name is spelled wrong, but that's a small thing since it links to the right PDGA number.

Question: For round ratings calculations, will it be done by division or by pool? It doesn't make much sense to me to compare courses on two different days, but I was wondering if, for instance, the REC and INT players in pool G would all be used to determine the rating for that pool (which would make sense to me).

As long as the weather (primarily wind) was similar on both days, then all rounds on the same course layout will be combined to produce the ratings. In other words, everyone who shot a 55 at Phil Moore will will end up with the same official rating on that course.

Any misspellings of PDGA member names will self correct once the official ratings are processed because the process pulls the member name we have on file for you that's connected with your PDGA number. If your PDGA number is wrong, let us know because that's critical to get your points and ratings connected to you.

As long as the weather (primarily wind) was similar on both days, then all rounds on the same course layout will be combined to produce the ratings. In other words, everyone who shot a 55 at Phil Moore will will end up with the same official rating on that course.

I would regard the weather as having not been a factor in the Intermediate and Rec pools. The weather was consistantly breezy and mild all weekend on the courses we played.

This is a suggestion for future huge tournaments, such as Bowling Green.

There were several divisions which were big enough to illicit splitting them from the rest of the tournament for scoring sake. I am not talking about final PDGA tournament statistics, but for scoring simplicity.

Once the field is full, the PDGA Tour link to the tournament can be split into a bunch of separate divisional breakouts.

Let's say:
BG Advanced
BG Intermediate
BG Recreational
BG Women
BG Masters and Juniors

Some of the fields are huge. Give each one a scoring supervisor. This person is in charge of coordinating the pool shuffles, and just as importantly, uploading the scores to the PDGA in a timely manner. This way, there doesn't have to be one person in charge of the entire upload. Each person will have a separate Tour listing, so they can upload their scores when they are done. This will also lead to better quality of the data.

PLUS.... Multi-pool fields can plan ahead so that rounds at different courses get put in by course, not round. Say Hobson gets filled in as Round 1, Lovers is 2, Ker is 3, PhilMoore is 4. The first day, A pool plays Round 1 and 2, the B Pool plays 2 and 3, etc. At the end of the tournament, everyone will know Round 1 was Hobson for ALL players, regardless of what order they played it.

Again, this would be much easier to do if separate scoring supervisors were in charge of different divisions. When it gets this big, yu can't rely on one person to get all the data in. At least, it's MUCH HARDER to get it all right if you have all of it together.

This is my plan. I think it would make for much smoother scoring and happier players and spectators (online)

Matt

First off I just wanted to say I had a great weekend. Met some nice people, played on 4 great cards. Also had a blast Sat. night at the Wah Bah playing skins on the par 2 course.

Now to my problem at hand.

I hit an Ace on #7 at Preston Miller on Sat. during the second round. I paid the $2 during registration to be in the Ace pool. Sun. night I went over to Phil Moore to check the scores and collect my money for the Ace. Ernie was very busy with people trying to get there payout, but I did manage to talk to him two times. Gave him my name and let him know that my ride was leaving and I would not be able to stick around and wait any longer or I would be walking home. He said he had the money and would get it taken care of. Just to be safe I wrote my name, address, phone number, and PDGA number down on a sheet of paper and gave it to my pools TD(pool E). He remembered me and my Ace and said he would get it to Ernie and get it taken care of. So Mon. morning I sent Ernie an email to see what the final payout was and how he wanted to go about getting it to me. He replied and said that he only paid out 3 Ace�s Sun. night as they had forgot about mine. He said that he would send a letter(snail mail) to the 3 guys he paid out and have them send me my share of the money. I am pretty much thinking at this point that I will not see my money, but I don�t think this is right. I paid to be in the pool, I was 1 of the only 4 out of 720 people to hit an Ace and I think I deserve my money. I am by no means trying to say anything bad about Ernie or any of the other TD�s, but I think there are better ways this could be handled.

Now that that�s done. My main question is, does anyone know the 3 guys that were paid out the Ace pool at the awards? Maybe have an email address for them or something? Please let me know. Thanks,

Ryan

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...

Just curious, do we really have to wait a long time for the ratings per course to be corrected? From filling out the TD spreadsheet I realize this is something that could be corrected and re-uploaded. I hate having to wonder about my rating for so long when I know it could be corrected in a day or two.

PLUS.... Multi-pool fields can plan ahead so that rounds at different courses get put in by course, not round. Say Hobson gets filled in as Round 1, Lovers is 2, Ker is 3, PhilMoore is 4. The first day, A pool plays Round 1 and 2, the B Pool plays 2 and 3, etc. At the end of the tournament, everyone will know Round 1 was Hobson for ALL players, regardless of what order they played it.



I started doing this for Am Worlds in 2005 and have continued this when I've done the Worlds scoring. I've been lobbying the PDGA to provide 3-letter course codes above the R1, R2 for each division so it's easier to tell that you're doing it. Hopefully, we can get that done once the revamped website comes online later this year.

Just curious, do we really have to wait a long time for the ratings per course to be corrected? From filling out the TD spreadsheet I realize this is something that could be corrected and re-uploaded. I hate having to wonder about my rating for so long when I know it could be corrected in a day or two.



Not that simple. All of the layouts by division and pool need to manually added to the website. The pool ID and course info entered on the TD report doesn't "talk" to the website and do that. That means all of the scores by those groups must be reorganized to match for the upload. It's not that it can't be done now but that's up to the TD for each event to provide that service and only a few TDs know how to do multiple pool and course online setups.

You can get close by looking up previous SSA values and using the graph to estimate your ratings:
www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php)
www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/ExpectedScoresAndCompression%20graph.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/competition/ratings/ExpectedScoresAndCompression%20graph.pdf)

We have all we can handle to try and get the pools right for the official ratings processing.

So Chuck, I've typed in the names of two BG courses and every time I get "course not found"? I cut and pasted the names as they appear in the PDGA course directory. Do I need the official name of the park, the course, or what? Thanks, rWc3523

I put the state in as Kentucky and left the course blank. Then all of the courses came up and I picked the ones I wanted.

What Robert said. Some courses like Phil Moore don't have stats on file yet. Best you could do is estimate how tough it was in comparison to other courses there with known SSAs and adjust accordingly.

all of the scores by those groups must be reorganized to match for the upload. It's not that it can't be done now but that's up to the TD for each event to provide that service and only a few TDs know how to do multiple pool and course online setups.


OK, but still just a few tweaks to the spreadsheet unless I'm still not clear on how you're explaining it. The only problem I see with the spreadsheet is there aren't enough slots to enter the layouts per day &amp; per pool, such as:

Course Name - Specific Layout
Franklin - Pool A Saturday @ Franklin Long Tees
Keriakes - Pool A Saturday @ Keriakes Long Tees
Franklin - Pool B Saturday @ Franklin Long Tees
Keriakes - Pool B Saturday @ Keriakes Long Tees
Phil Moore - Pool A Sunday @ Phil Moore
White - Pool A Sunday @ White
Phil Moore - Pool B Sunday @ Phil Moore
White - Pool B Sunday @ White


etc etc etc (above represents only A&amp;B pool for Sat/Sun), but essentially the spreadsheet needs 4 rows per pool which it doesnt have (only has 12 total) - but couldnt you fix this rather quickly with some clever trickery in the spreadsheet and then re-up? I do understand the pool shuffles Sat night likely make this a total nightmare. The main problem I'm seeing is the system is assuming everyone played the same courses each round. (friend of mine shot a 63 at Franklin from the longs and the system reports that as 852 rating which cant be correct when the long tees have an SSA of ~59)

disclaimer: I'm only discussing this as a means to understand how this all works, not assuming to truly know the internal workings of the system.

The layouts in the TD spreadsheet have no connection with the online software for uploading. All of the pool gymnastics you just mentioned is sort of what we do for the official ratings but we don't use the TD report for big events like this with lots of pools anyway. The way it's done online and how the pools would have to be reorganized is completely different. The only connection between the TD Excel Score sheet and the online software is the copy and paste of the scoring data. Nothing else is connected or communicated.

BTW, I recognize your frustration with the same issues I've faced for many years because I am not a programmer. The whole score displays and unofficial ratings were done by volunteers several years ago with mad skills to get us started. They moved on and we've had to maintain the system with no programming resources available to improve it. I would love nothing better than to have the TD report set up so that the TD could just paste info into the upload and all of these links would be there. But much of what you see in many areas is done by PDGA volunteers and we appreciate what we do get free and make it available for members.

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...



I 100% agree with this. Well see what happens, but so far i am not at all happy with the way it is going.

Please go to the contact button on our website bgdgclub.com , and send me your mailing address. I will resolve this tomorrow night at the club meeting.

Thanks for everybody's feedback, we have already started preparing for BG AM's 09. Start posting some things you would like to see for next year..........

Josh Dobelstein
President
BGDG Club Inc.

1. pool changes online, or at least in the light. pool lists posted at the host hotel(s).

i saw 4 guys late to my pool because they didnt think they shot well enough to change pools, and didnt want to go to the party.

2. friday events would be nice, but i think the sat/sun works for many, perhaps one round fri, two sat, one sun.. as suggested by someone else here. would get people done and awards over before everyone tries to rush home.

The only thing that I am totally against is making this tournament 3 days. You think there aren't enough volunteers now. Well try getting volunteers to use a vacation day to work for free. For the people worried about getting home just take off Monday it would be the same as taking off Friday for the 3 day event. The only advantage I could see would be there wouldn't be any pool shuffles because under the proposed format there wouldn't be a pool to shuffle with.

Thanks for everybody's feedback, we have already started preparing for BG AM's 09. Start posting some things you would like to see for next year..........



Advanced playing Hobson, White, Kereiakes and Lovers.

I'd like to have a little more variety in the course selection for advanced master. We basically played two of the longest courses, Moore and White on Saturday, then played Franklin (short, thank God) and short Keriakes Sunday.
I'll appeal to the TDs to consider tossing in a more technical course like a Hobson Grove for us older guys. Remember, advanced master starts at 40. Really, you could be 39 and play if you turn 40 by Dec. 31. I'm 48 and was competing with 39 and 40-year-olds.
Why not substitute a White or Franklin with Lovers. My ideal lineup for advanced master would be Phil Moore, Lovers Lane, Hobson Grove and Keriakes (short).
How about R1 Phil Moore R2 Hobson Grove R3 Lovers Lane R4 Keriakes.
That lineup provides a little variety and doesn't wear us all out. Remember, we're not in our 20s or early 30s like most of the advanced field. That way we won't be gobbling over the counter pain relievers all day and will be talking about our shots instead of how much we ache! :p
Require two volunteers per pool so the boards can get shuffled quicker and rounds can begin on time. I'd love a chance to shower before going to the players' party next time. Thanks rWc3523

Did all divisions play the same tees and pins on each course or did any play short tees and others play longs at any of the courses?

In our pool, pool c (adv master and adv) the advanced played long tees at Franklin-Simpson while adv master played short tees. Adv master also played short tees at Keriakes. We played the same tees/pins at Phil Moore and White as everyone else. rWc3523

Thanks. I'm going to need to get tee details by pool so the ratings get done properly. The website only shows what pools played what courses but doesn't indicate the tees played by division.

As much as I enjoyed playing in my Rec division. I think just having Adv and Int would be fine.

Even as a Rec player, we could have played one of the longer courses. Lovers is a very fine course and enjoyable.

Getting scores done, uploaded and boards done and at a central location that you could 1. See, and 2. wasn't so conjested would have helped.

If the fly Mart/ Party is going to be that big, it needs a bigger location.

Directions to courses were adequat at best. The map in the program was better then the written directions. and if your going to list directions from the "HOST HOTEL" please make sure that the name of the HOST HOTEL is written next to it, for those of us staying at other locations.

I forget who does all the scoring for the worlds, but you may want to get with them and see if they can help, or have better advice on running this size of a tournament for scoring and boards, etc. I now it was a company that just does that sort of thing.

But, these are small item. The weekend was awesome ad I am sure it will continue to get better and better.

The only thing that I am totally against is making this tournament 3 days. You think there aren't enough volunteers now. Well try getting volunteers to use a vacation day to work for free. For the people worried about getting home just take off Monday it would be the same as taking off Friday for the 3 day event. The only advantage I could see would be there wouldn't be any pool shuffles because under the proposed format there wouldn't be a pool to shuffle with.



Most of the poeple that I know from Michigan arrive on Thursday. So, we already take on Thursday &amp; Friday. Because of the late arrival home (6:30am) I had to also take off Monday.

any body have any links to pictures, I found PDGA pictures here PDGA pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/collections/72157604289587432/)

I forget who does all the scoring for the worlds, but you may want to get with them and see if they can help, or have better advice on running this size of a tournament for scoring and boards, etc. I now it was a company that just does that sort of thing.



Volunteers do the scoring for Worlds, not some "company". The Worlds scoring teams input and upload the scores after each round instead of waiting until the event is over. I don't think BG needs anyone else to point out the scoring problems. They now have 20/20 hindsight and I imagine finding volunteers to help with scoring (on-site and on-line) will be a top priority next year.

Sometimes in life, the mistakes you make teach you far more valuable lessons (that you are more likely to remember) than if you do something right.

The core scoring team which includes marshals, have been compensated by the PDGA starting with 2005 Am Worlds. We've had one or two paid head scorekeepers, Gentry and Exec Director as paid staff and marshals who help call out scores and turn the boards around between rounds besides their course duties. Volunteers would be the course TDs who hand out and check scorecards plus write them on the scoreports with an assistant volunteer if a marshal isn't present.

Thanks. I'm going to need to get tee details by pool so the ratings get done properly. The website only shows what pools played what courses but doesn't indicate the tees played by division.



Advanced Pools A-D played Longs at Franklin and Kereikes.

Advanced Women Pool D played Shorts at all courses.

All Masters, Grandmasters, and Senior Grand Masters Pools C and D played shorts at all courses.

Did all courses have long and short tees? Which ones only had a single set of tees?

Phil Moore and White only had one set of tees that I know of. rWc3523

The only thing that I am totally against is making this tournament 3 days. You think there aren't enough volunteers now. Well try getting volunteers to use a vacation day to work for free. For the people worried about getting home just take off Monday it would be the same as taking off Friday for the 3 day event. The only advantage I could see would be there wouldn't be any pool shuffles because under the proposed format there wouldn't be a pool to shuffle with.



Most of the poeple that I know from Michigan arrive on Thursday. So, we already take on Thursday &amp; Friday. Because of the late arrival home (6:30am) I had to also take off Monday.



But that is a personal choice to leave on Thursday and I met someone from Michigan on the Sunday before. The problem as I see it once again is that no matter how you look at it if you make it a 3 day tourney you are requiring people to take an extra day out of their regular life.

With check in and the players meeting on friday it's already a 3 day tournament

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The only thing that I am totally against is making this tournament 3 days. You think there aren't enough volunteers now. Well try getting volunteers to use a vacation day to work for free. For the people worried about getting home just take off Monday it would be the same as taking off Friday for the 3 day event. The only advantage I could see would be there wouldn't be any pool shuffles because under the proposed format there wouldn't be a pool to shuffle with.



Most of the poeple that I know from Michigan arrive on Thursday. So, we already take on Thursday &amp; Friday. Because of the late arrival home (6:30am) I had to also take off Monday.



But that is a personal choice to leave on Thursday and I met someone from Michigan on the Sunday before. The problem as I see it once again is that no matter how you look at it if you make it a 3 day tourney you are requiring people to take an extra day out of their regular life.



I completely agree with that statement. With the current format most people don't HAVE to take a day off to play in the tournament. I chose to take Thursday, Friday and Monday off because I really didn't want to sit at work and it was dragging all week in anticipation.

If you make it a 3 day event, people are then forced to take off Friday and then Thursday if they want to come down and play before hand. Most people are still going to want Monday off to recoup either way. So in essence you are just requiring everyone to take an extra day including volunteers like mentioned earlier. Its already a lot of work for people to volunteer for a tournament like this one but when you require your locals to miss a day of work to help out its going to put extra strain on your workforce.

I think once the kinks are ironed out the current format is going to be the best bet. Kudos to you all in BG!

Advanced playing Hobson, White, Kereiakes and Lovers.

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I couldnt agree more. Franklin shouldnt even be played. The courses that were played this year were an advantage to people that can throw far. I would bet that everone in the top 10 can throw well over 450.

the problem then also becomes (if we are considering more than just am1) what do the others play. are you going to put a lower division on Phill Moore? that sounds fantastical.

This is why I'd like to see the event formatted with 4 rounds Adv. 3 rounds Int/Adv. Ms. and 2 rounds Rec/Jr. Using all 9 courses in BG, it could go...

Advanced: Kereiakes (long pads), Hobson Grove, White Park, Phil Moore

Int/Adv. Mas: Franklin-Simpson (short pads), Chalybeate, Basil Griffin

Rec/Jr. Preston Miller, Lovers Lane

Did all courses have long and short tees? Which ones only had a single set of tees?


White, Phil Moore, Hobson, Griffen, Preston Miller and Lovers only have one set of tees.

Keri and Franklin are the only ones with longs and shorts.

Advanced playing Hobson, White, Kereiakes and Lovers.



Amen brother! That will never be heard though. :p

I woulden't want to come up to just play two/three tournament rounds.

And I doubt, as an Advanced Master, that I'd want to come and play three rounds, especially at Franklin, Chalybeate and Griffin! Not a good idea IMHO! I think other advanced masters would agree. rWc3523

Thanks for everybody's feedback, we have already started preparing for BG AM's 09. Start posting some things you would like to see for next year..........



Advanced playing Hobson, White, Kereiakes and Lovers.



Replace White with Preston Miller and then advance could have all 4 of the easiest courses in BG. I believe a more "fair" lineup for advance would be Keriakes, White, Hobson, and Moore.

I woulden't want to come up to just play two/three tournament rounds.



Second, and I live 1 county away.

And I doubt, as an Advanced Master, that I'd want to come and play three rounds, especially at Franklin, Chalybeate and Griffin! Not a good idea IMHO! I think other advanced masters would agree. rWc3523



Chalybeate - no way...Griffin, why not...I am wierd and like that course. As an Advanced Master I would be down for a 1 round One Ultimate Disc Challenge at Hobson, and then we can drink the BG Brew Brown Ale all weekend. Man that was great stuff.

Seriously, even though that sounds awesome, I would prefer 2 Long and 2 Shorter Courses....Something like Hobson and Keriakes, then perhaps Phil Moore, White, or Franklin. That would negate the barely former Pro Masters from domainating the field with their distance....All in all, it was another great time in BG minus the fence post hole my ankle found at White. Everyone should look up and say thanks for not getting rained on all weekend, and props to the entire BG Staff. See ya next year. :cool:

I'm sorry but there's no way in hell I would make the trip to BG for 2 rounds of disc golf. You have to consider how much money, time and effort it is for alot of people to make the trip. It should stay as 4 rounds but moved to a 3 day event. Let's face it, there's no other tourney that has this many people and is squeezed into 2 days. World's is 6 rounds spread out over 5-6 days. 3 days would suck for some but others would fill their spot with ease.

I'm also going to vote with leaving Hobson,Lovers,Miller and Griffen to the non-advanced players. Hobson beat me up but it's not a Adv course. I've shot a -3 there before. Either move it to 3 days or leave it like it is and try to get more volunteers. I will happly volunteer next year to help when not playing. BGDGC, you can hold it to me.

Let me speak on this. It was great like it was, that being said, the only change I would like to see is rd1 Fri afternoon, le. Rd 2 and 3 Sat, Shuffle, rd 4 Sun 0800. 1200, 9 hole shoot out top 4 in each division, starting at 1200, 1215, 1230, 1245,1300,1315, and 1330. at Phil Moore, then awards /closing cermony. Just my opinion

Mini Thumber and thanks to BG, and the 16 great guy's I got to compete with.

I am pretty sure the only way you can have a pool shuffle is after 2 rounds that way you have another pool that has played the same courses as you have played. If I played for example Lovers, Preston, and Hobson, the only people I could shuffle with would be the people that hadn't played Griffin which would be the people already in my group. That is another problem. It seems if were trying to win I would prefer if I were on an open course in the afternoon that as many of my direct competitors were under the same conditions and not in a more protected course like Hobson or Keriakes. Although the 3 day format would have one added benefit to me because I wouldn't have to go to the players party Saturday night. But seeing as I have bought a disc or two at the players party the last 2 years that would be a disadvantage to the vendors and in turn the club as well.

I'd have to cast my vote with those who want to keep it a two day tournament. My family is among those who don't take off any work or school, we make the drive Friday night (4 hours) and in the past have made it again Sunday night (although we were lucky enough not to do it this year) I think you are fine having 3 day tourneys for Pros... lets face it, they're playing for money, and a lucky few are even doing it as a career... But Ams have a life to get back to, and lengthening the tournament puts extra strain on a lot of schedules (including both the players and the voulenteers)

If your number one concern is getting the players out earlier, then the solution is fairly simple, you just can't have the Advanced guys playing 3 courses that are that long. If you set the tournment up such that the advanced have two courses on the Keriakes magnitude (insert Lovers Lane/Hobson Grove/etc.) Then you can set the schedule in order to guarantee every Advanced Am a short course on Sunday. And that would get everyone to the Final 9 at least an hour earlier...

nothing makes everyone happy. thats the problem with a tournament trying to serve over 700 players.

I was waiting to talk to Ernie directly instead of voicing my opinion to just everyone, but since the prez of BGDGC asked I'd be happy to share. So here goes...
1. Please make this an Am weekend only. It was to my understanding that a couple of pros came out and won all three rounds of doubles on Friday. They were nice guys and all, (we played with them at Lovers) but they obviously outdid every am there. Nice shooting guys!
2. An actual awards ceremony would have been sweet. I agree it would take forever to hand out awards for 150+ people, maybe just the top ten or so would be fine. Also allows people that were entered into raffles for baskets, etc...to be present.
3. Also awards. I can really appreciate the artistry that went into making the coffee cups, I just felt a plaque in the shape of Kentucky or tournament stamped trophy disc would have really shown the caliber of this great tourney.
4. And lastly payout. I am strictly speaking for the women and junior divisions. Being that the minority of players in this sport are women and children, I felt that they should ALL be recognized for their accomplishment. And I don't mean you have to hand them a stack of discs or anything. I think any jr. or women would be completely happy with just being called up at the awards ceremony and given the applause they deserve. Although a disc or two would be icing on the cake. It encourages them to try harder and to do better.
Gentlemen, this is my humble opinion, and I am not trying to ruffle feathers or step on toes. We had an absolute blast and are sincerely looking forward to coming back out next year. Thank you again to all the volunteers and staff for all you did to make an awesome tourney. Thanks directly to our course t.d.(pool H) for keeping things running smoothly......Manny

Keep it a two day tourney with 4 rounds. Don't have a final 9. I know it helps showcase the top adv. players with a good crowd to watch but simply put there is not enough time to have the final 9 and get players on the road. Regarding an actual awards ceremony, don't have one. Just let players get there prizes and get on the road. I would much rather get to compete and play a 4th round that have two rounds on Sat. and one Sunday with a final 9 and an awards ceremony. :D

4. And lastly payout. I am strictly speaking for the women and junior divisions. Being that the minority of players in this sport are women and children, I felt that they should ALL be recognized for their accomplishment. And I don't mean you have to hand them a stack of discs or anything. I think any jr. or women would be completely happy with just being called up at the awards ceremony and given the applause they deserve. Although a disc or two would be icing on the cake. It encourages them to try harder and to do better.
.....Manny



I will always disagree about buying women and juniors into our sport competitively. Payouts need to e the same. If you want to give them all ribbons for competing that is fine. The players packs at BG are the real prizes and well worth the price of admission. If you want more women and juniors to compete then the PDGA and or the local clubs needs to make a real effort to get them to compete, and not by buying them into playing. I saw many women and junior aged kids playing in the other divisions (AM1-AM3) and applaud them more then the ones in the other.

Below Pro, I would rather see just the 2 or 3 am divisions being offered (AM1-AM2 or AM3) and place the women and Jr's into the divisions they fit rating wise. They would earn more points, see how people at there skill level played, and if the 2 girls I played with in Rec were any indication, they would still have a lot of fun.

1. Please make this an Am weekend only. It was to my understanding that a couple of pros came out and won all three rounds of doubles on Friday. They were nice guys and all, (we played with them at Lovers) but they obviously outdid every am there. Nice shooting guys!




Since those are not "official" PDGA events and the vendors make money from all the people that enter, I don't see how you could stop anyone that wanted to play from entering...

PLUS.... Multi-pool fields can plan ahead so that rounds at different courses get put in by course, not round. Say Hobson gets filled in as Round 1, Lovers is 2, Ker is 3, PhilMoore is 4. The first day, A pool plays Round 1 and 2, the B Pool plays 2 and 3, etc. At the end of the tournament, everyone will know Round 1 was Hobson for ALL players, regardless of what order they played it.



I started doing this for Am Worlds in 2005 and have continued this when I've done the Worlds scoring. I've been lobbying the PDGA to provide 3-letter course codes above the R1, R2 for each division so it's easier to tell that you're doing it. Hopefully, we can get that done once the revamped website comes online later this year.



Actually, what I'd like to see is pool assignments before and after the shuffle in a separate column (like player rating, PDGA#, rd 1 score, etc...), and then a legend below showing what pools played which courses in which order. That way, you keep the scores ordered in the progression in which each played played them. When you post stuff for Worlds during the event, you don't really get a sense of who's played what course in which order, because they end in a different column. Maybe color-coding each course differently would work. You'd really only need 6-7 different colors, because Am and Pro Worlds are represented as different tourneys on the website, even though in 2008 and 2009 they will be contested simultaneously in the same cities. But I'm not a programmer, either...I know just enough about it to really screw things up good.

Chap

At least for a Phase 1 upgrade, I think adding the 3-letter codes might be relatively easy. But I agree color coding is a great enhancement along with the pools and legend, etc. A Q&amp;D (quick &amp; dirty) fix might be to just allow the scorekeeper to paste the nicely color coded Excel spreadsheet we use for Worlds scoring as an HTML doc onto a webpage or page by division Dave would set up on the Tour page. I can enhance the scoring spreadsheet so the unofficial round ratings would go right along with it liek the current display.

At least for a Phase 1 upgrade, I think adding the 3-letter codes might be relatively easy. But I agree color coding is a great enhancement along with the pools and legend, etc. A Q&amp;D (quick &amp; dirty) fix might be to just allow the scorekeeper to paste the nicely color coded Excel spreadsheet we use for Worlds scoring as an HTML doc onto a webpage or page by division Dave would set up on the Tour page. I can enhance the scoring spreadsheet so the unofficial round ratings would go right along with it liek the current display.



Chuck, something is not jiving. Have PM'd chappy. let me know if you need to see what I am seeing. I saw the change in division, today. Still, not the same PDGA number as the player. (Yes I edited)

Peace

We've already posted that the unofficial ratings will not be corrected. Not sure what you mean? Chappy and I are talking about future online display improvements.

What is the difference between the unofficial rankings and the official rankings? And how is this going to affect our player ratings?

Unofficial ratings are produced by a web program that has no conncetion with the official ratings at all. The unofficial ratings are only very close or sometimes identical to the official ratings processing IF the TD sets up the web program with all of the elaborate pools, divisions and course layouts. That did not happen for this event. But in all fairness, few TDs know how to do it for complex events like BG.

However, the TD report submitted to the PDGA has everything detailed so we can process the official ratings properly. Those are the only numbers that will be used for your rating calculation. So just disregard the ratings numbers you see now. The official values will be posted by April 29.