Thanks Chuck.

side note - - - - anyone have any info on that group that was there "nothin' but chains" like a website or anything? Let me know...thanks!

Ok Chuck wanted to be sure and verify again this AM.
Here is what is happening. Maybe a fopa in the database.

Rich Nunn brought this to my attention.

If you go to BG tourny you find him T144 in int.
It says his pdga # is 32349.
Now go look up # 32349 in the membership area. It comes back Marck Schneider Hallsville, MO and not current. If you look up Nunn by "search current members by last name" it comes back 32349 and Richs stats. Now see what I mean. Maybe an index went bad somewhere. Sorry I did not explain well enough last night.

At this point, contact the TD to correct. The rating crew doesn't use anything posted online and can't make any database corrections. TD right after an event and PDGA HQ later are the only ones who do that.

side note - - - - anyone have any info on that group that was there "nothin' but chains" like a website or anything? Let me know...thanks!



She (Jeannie) is my sales rep for DC Sports. That was her company. I can get you contact information if you would like.

I redid the Players Party video, smoother transitions and such

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o4ZVod-24M

If you go to BG tourny you find him T144 in int.
It says his pdga # is 32349.
Now go look up # 32349 in the membership area. It comes back Marck Schneider Hallsville, MO and not current. If you look up Nunn by "search current members by last name" it comes back 32349 and Richs stats. Now see what I mean. Maybe an index went bad somewhere. Sorry I did not explain well enough last night.



You might have dyslexia. Nunn is 32439. Schneider is 32349.

Well I�ve been trying to get to this for a while now, but just haven�t had the time. I thought someone else would have touched on it but I didn�t see anything, so if this is repetitive sorry�
1.If you�re planning on 720 players and are asking for specifics like shirt size. You should probably have 720 players packs ready. I did end up getting one, although I didn�t get what everyone else got, but I got one nonetheless. A guy I was with took a Medium shirt and ended up with an XL.
2. I got stroked for a violation at Franklin where the sign said that the walking path was in bounds and over and beyond it was OB. When I threw OB I brought my disc back to the path and threw from there. Later I was told if I referred to my book I would have seen that the path was indeed OB. Please refer to complaint number 1. I didn�t get a players pack so how the heck am I supposed to refer to the book that came in the players pack. 2 strokes would have moved me up 8 places.
3. Leave it a 2-day event, just make sure that we tee off on time and you may want to check into giving the advanced 2 long courses and 2 shorter (not short, shorter) courses.

I don't want to seem like an impatient jerk, but is anyone working on getting the rounds rated correctly? The only reason I ask is because the submission deadline is quickly approaching and the ratings shown so far are way off. I realize it takes a while to figure all that stuff out, and that is fine, I just hope these rounds get rated correctly before the 15th.

Had a blast in BG, can't wait till next year.

Stephen

They will not be rated correctly online until we process them for the April 29th update. What you see online has no bearing on those April 29 numbers other than the scores themselves.

Chuck, any chance you could post the SSA for each course at this particular tourney so we have some idea of what our ratings will be? (this should get many off your back at least)

Thanks

Thanks for the quick reply/explanation.

Stephen

I have no idea until just before the 29th. You have a better idea by looking at the Course Stats link I posted before since you know how the courses were set.
www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php)

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...



Being the brother of one of the other Acer's, I would agree also. That is soley on the club. That should not be placed the shoulder of those who choose to stick around and make sure they got paid. Ride's where pretty easy to come by all weekend, not sure why that changed on Sunday night. My brother being the last of the three to get contacted and being told that the other two have decided to not pay anything and then having a guilt trip placed on him by someone to get him to send off some money, that I can tell you have already been spent, really bothers me. Why would you drop it all on one guy and say that no one else is paying but you should. :confused:

Ride's where pretty easy to come by all weekend, not sure why that changed on Sunday night.



Well Sunday nite was abit different as that people had to drive back home , it wasn't like getting a ride from course to course.

How big was the ace pool split anyway?

Lastly if the TD said not to worry about sticking around for a payout and that he would get the said payout to the person then yea its the TD/Club moral responsability, not the players.

In the end, it is the players responsability to make sure he gets/picks up his said payout though whether by making a agreement with the TD to send it or having someone pick it up for him, especially if it involves cash.

Exactly, some of us did not have the pleasure of staying Sunday night at Bowling Green. It was expressways until 6:30am for me. :D

we'll make sure dude gets his ace money........sorry about the delay......

BG Disc Golf Club

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...



Being the brother of one of the other Acer's, I would agree also. That is soley on the club. That should not be placed the shoulder of those who choose to stick around and make sure they got paid. Ride's where pretty easy to come by all weekend, not sure why that changed on Sunday night. My brother being the last of the three to get contacted and being told that the other two have decided to not pay anything and then having a guilt trip placed on him by someone to get him to send off some money, that I can tell you have already been spent, really bothers me. Why would you drop it all on one guy and say that no one else is paying but you should. :confused:



I aggree. I dont think the players should be the ones sending me the money, but i am not the one making that call here. We'll see what happens.

As far as the ride. Finding a ride to a course is not a problem. Finding a ride 4 and a half hours north is. Trust me, if i had any way possible to stick around, i would have.

I have been told that a check is in the mail for 1/3rd of the ace from the club and that two of the other ace guys should be sending a check. I'll update here with the final outcome of this. Tell your brother congrats on his ace and that by no means do i think he should be forced to send me money. Thanks,

Ryan

Josh, any idea when the payouts will be accessible through discgolfunited?

Replace White with Preston Miller and then advance could have all 4 of the easiest courses in BG. I believe a more "fair" lineup for advance would be Keriakes, White, Hobson, and Moore.



I don't disagree that your proposed line up is MORE fair than what we played this year but I do disagree with the easiest course statement. While I do think the White, Moore, Keri, and Hobson line up is MUCH more fair than what we played this year the classic Lovers, Hobbie, Keri, White line up is VERY fair, VERY fun, VERY challenging and the most desired amoung players. They are the four best maintained, most established, and most enjoyed in the town.

According to your statement the Pros have played (and will continue to play this year) the easiest courses in BG while the AM's have played more and more of a distance competition for the last two years. Lover's is a fantastic test of skill, finesse, and ability.

I agree, Why not put the advanced and advanced masters on the same course lineup the pros played? I hope this the event team considers this for next year, or at least for the advanced masters. I for one would have like another more technical course (Hobson) or at least one that's is varied like Lovers rather than long open courses.

rWc3523

I think this could work, and be more enjoyable to the masses...

Advanced (all Adv. divisions)

Phil Moore
Hobson Grove
Kereiakes Park (long pads)
White Park

Intermediate

Franklin-Simpson (short pads)
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin
Lovers Lane

Recreational/Juniors

Lovers Lane
Preston Miller
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin

and if all those division fill how will you play the courses? have 4 rounds on the courses that 2 groups play each day?

: ) :

That would be up to the TD. I'm merely suggesting possible courses to play.

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...



Being the brother of one of the other Acer's, I would agree also. That is soley on the club. That should not be placed the shoulder of those who choose to stick around and make sure they got paid. Ride's where pretty easy to come by all weekend, not sure why that changed on Sunday night. My brother being the last of the three to get contacted and being told that the other two have decided to not pay anything and then having a guilt trip placed on him by someone to get him to send off some money, that I can tell you have already been spent, really bothers me. Why would you drop it all on one guy and say that no one else is paying but you should. :confused:



I aggree. I dont think the players should be the ones sending me the money, but i am not the one making that call here. We'll see what happens.

As far as the ride. Finding a ride to a course is not a problem. Finding a ride 4 and a half hours north is. Trust me, if i had any way possible to stick around, i would have.

I have been told that a check is in the mail for 1/3rd of the ace from the club and that two of the other ace guys should be sending a check. I'll update here with the final outcome of this. Tell your brother congrats on his ace and that by no means do i think he should be forced to send me money. Thanks,

Ryan



Ryan, did you get my email? I was one of the guys who hit the ace as well, but got paid. I sent it as soon as you posted the first time about when to be expecting payout. Before Ernie contacted me. And to clear things up, I never said anything close about not being willing to get you squared up. I think you earned the cash. but I did express how I thought that should be taken up with the club instead. Considering that it wasn't our mistake. Nice shot, by the way.

Replace White with Preston Miller and then advance could have all 4 of the easiest courses in BG. I believe a more "fair" lineup for advance would be Keriakes, White, Hobson, and Moore.



I don't disagree that your proposed line up is MORE fair than what we played this year but I do disagree with the easiest course statement. While I do think the White, Moore, Keri, and Hobson line up is MUCH more fair than what we played this year the classic Lovers, Hobbie, Keri, White line up is VERY fair, VERY fun, VERY challenging and the most desired amoung players. They are the four best maintained, most established, and most enjoyed in the town.

According to your statement the Pros have played (and will continue to play this year) the easiest courses in BG while the AM's have played more and more of a distance competition for the last two years. Lover's is a fantastic test of skill, finesse, and ability.



This is my opinion of the rankings according to easiest to hardest of the eight courses played. Now of course, saying a course is easiest often depends on individual abilities and preferences so I am aware that this is not the way everyone would rank them but I believe most would only move 1 up a spot here or down a couple of spots there, so they are probably pretty close.

1. Preston Miller
2. Lovers Lane
3. Griffin
4. Keriakes
5. Hobson
6. Franklin (shorts) longs would probably be 7 or 8 longs
7. White
8. Moore

First the original plans for the Pros was to play Moore instead of Lovers so by all means lets have advanced play what the original schedule fro pros was Moore, White, Hobson, and Keriakes. Talking about what was done in the open in the past is like saying all the tournaments in Louisville used to be held at Iroquois so it should always be first priority and ignore Vetiner and some would even say Iroquois is more enjoyable than Vetiner. So what is most enjoyable shouldn't necassarily be "top" priority especially if it is for only the few. Because I can't argue the fact that if I were in charge of a tourney where all registered players could fit on 4 courses that would be the 4 I would choose.

Second I know most people only look at what is best for them. However, you do have to consider the Intermediate and Recreational, especially when under the new rating guidelines there are more in those divisions than Advance. This was made obvious in that those pools filled with still a 100 spots left in all the advance divisions. If Advance were to play the "favored" courses that would have him playing 2,4,5, and 7 on my easiest course list and the less skilled playing 1, 3, 6, and 8. Now how is it fair for those playing lower divisions to be playing 2 of the 3 hardest courses? Under my "fairer" selection Advance would have 4, 5, 7, 8.

One other thing I know everyone loves Lovers but to say "Lovers is a test of skill, finesse, and ability" is only true when very windy. I am awful at disc golf and if I want to challenge myself this would be the second to last course I would choose. I usually go there because even with my arm I can reach about 14 holes on my drives and there aren't many trees or OB to avoid.

Well, on that ace. I would say that it is the responsibility of BGDGC to make that right, not the players that were incorrectly paid out. I would not expect to see any money from the players...



Being the brother of one of the other Acer's, I would agree also. That is soley on the club. That should not be placed the shoulder of those who choose to stick around and make sure they got paid. Ride's where pretty easy to come by all weekend, not sure why that changed on Sunday night. My brother being the last of the three to get contacted and being told that the other two have decided to not pay anything and then having a guilt trip placed on him by someone to get him to send off some money, that I can tell you have already been spent, really bothers me. Why would you drop it all on one guy and say that no one else is paying but you should. :confused:



I aggree. I dont think the players should be the ones sending me the money, but i am not the one making that call here. We'll see what happens.

As far as the ride. Finding a ride to a course is not a problem. Finding a ride 4 and a half hours north is. Trust me, if i had any way possible to stick around, i would have.

I have been told that a check is in the mail for 1/3rd of the ace from the club and that two of the other ace guys should be sending a check. I'll update here with the final outcome of this. Tell your brother congrats on his ace and that by no means do i think he should be forced to send me money. Thanks,

Ryan



Ryan, did you get my email? I was one of the guys who hit the ace as well, but got paid. I sent it as soon as you posted the first time about when to be expecting payout. Before Ernie contacted me. And to clear things up, I never said anything close about not being willing to get you squared up. I think you earned the cash. but I did express how I thought that should be taken up with the club instead. Considering that it wasn't our mistake. Nice shot, by the way.



Larry,
I did get the email and replied to you within a few min. of getting it. I am on your side. I dont think you and the other two are to blame, nor do i think you should have to pay, but it's not my call. I recieved a check today from the club for 1/3rd of my portion of the ace fund. Now just waiting to see what happens with the rest. I have sent Ernie a few emails as he told me Wed. he was going to be follwoing up with the other two people, but i have not heard back yet.

Nice shot right back at ya Larry.

Thanks,
Ryan

I think this could work, and be more enjoyable to the masses...

Advanced (all Adv. divisions)

Phil Moore
Hobson Grove
Kereiakes Park (long pads)
White Park

Intermediate

Franklin-Simpson (short pads)
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin
Lovers Lane

Recreational/Juniors

Lovers Lane
Preston Miller
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin



JD....Your Outta Control!!!!!

haha :D

Well when someone pees on your valued rug you start to do things normal men wouldnt.

I think this could work, and be more enjoyable to the masses...

Advanced (all Adv. divisions)

Phil Moore
Hobson Grove
Kereiakes Park (long pads)
White Park

Intermediate

Franklin-Simpson (short pads)
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin
Lovers Lane

Recreational/Juniors

Lovers Lane
Preston Miller
Chalybeate
Basil Griffin



JD....Your Outta Control!!!!!

haha :D





How about a 3 day tourney, adv am and int. only, starting 2pm Friday?

adv am will get revised hobson, preston miller, phil moore, and BG new course for 09, and int. gets , griffin, short keriakes, white, lovers

then we style it out with a final nine on a ball golf course behind the convention center host hotel starting at 1pm?

then we bring in the recs for a 3 round tourney during the NT event 2 weeks later, so we can have a gallery for the pro final nine and clinic they put on?

I only live 1 hour from BG, but I would not be able to make it if the tourney was 3 days. Unless you move the dates to the same week as spring break.

Just wanted to update that Josh Dobelstein took charge of getting me the money for my Ace. Big thanks go out to him and the rest of the club for getting it done. From what i have heard, next year should be sweet. Cant wait to get back down for the 09 BG AM's

Thanks also to all the people who helped this year and who are allready putting effort into next years event.

Ryan

Has anyone who cashed that left early been able to redeem their winnings yet from DGU?

yes, I've been able to redeem my points and actually received my package from them about a week ago. It's a great system and you have a lot of selection! Good job DGU

Are the round ratings official now?

no

It's now taken Dave and I over 24 hours between us untangling the scoring to try and get everything lined up properly for doing the official ratings. But they will be official next Tuesday.

Thanks for the Update Chuck. I just saw that you are registered for Lexington. Glad to see people from the PDGA board making the trip down our way. We have three courses for the event that offer some good variety. Don't know if you've played Lexington before but hope you enjoy the trip. Jerry D

Look forward to playing the courses and I've never been thru Lexington that I recall. I'm coming on my way to the PDGA Summit meeting May 1-2. I know sometimes it may seem like I'm a Board member but I've never been on it - just several committees. See you soon.

The BG Ams scores are no longer visible. What happened to them?
rWc3523