Girls! :D

Do what you do best and be the weatherman

and do what you do best TALK ALOT AND ACT LIKE YOU DO IT ALL FOR TEXAS!!! yea right you bringing food tonight or just wanting to eat free again :confused:

saturday night special we will having boxing -- vinnie miller vs the rest of texas disc golfers -- " are you ready?" "are you ready?" -- LETS GET IT ON!!!

hey rick you got any doubles information?? ie start times and fees per division?? thanks for being the TD

How about some of that EXTREME stuff. I'm sure there will be available space in the poker room.

Let's see..............Vinnie the Bald Master versus ???

Maybe he could battle with the TD for the rights to run the Sunday awards, since he wants to run everything anyway. :eek:

NO! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Rick did beat him at something last Saturday didn't he? :confused: :o:p :o:confused:

free??????
yeah Ware.....I never bring food.
Like the sausage I brought last week. Or the pot luck stuff I bring.You are always right.......or at least the people that don't know you think that
Take your pill it will all pass......lol

How about some of that EXTREME stuff...


Ya know, the fenced in pavillion area does kind of resemble The Octagon! :)

He with sharp tongue is on the wrong thread. This is Victoria not Wed night disc bowling.

We don't care who brings food! As long as Vinnie brings the beer!

boxing is for real....not a gab match to see who is loudest.
Not real good at gab matches.......hate to revist the boxing days but I am sure its like riding a bike /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gab match, you not good? I find that hard to swallow there sir.

I am certain that you're full of hot, blustery air and that qualifies as gab. Once you open that big trap you call your mouth or donkey or whatever you call that pie hole today we know you are on top of that game, anytime, anywhere. Especially here, today. A+

2 out of 12 not bad /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I like riding bikes. OUT

Ware....I sorry..... your felling are too important to me :confused:
now for real info:
Lets hear who would be willing to bring extra baskets?
So we can do away with the wait list.

lol

Hey I was wondering what happen to the Victoria Open thread /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :DEverytime I try to go there I end up on the Round Rock Thread :o:D

Third Coast can come up with at least six good portable baskets........

I know what you mean...I keep looking and it looks like the bypolar/OCD 12 step program :D
Can Live Oak bring some baskets?

Lets hear who would be willing to bring extra baskets? So we can do away with the wait list.


And bring glow sticks, too. :p

Cool thrid coast
Can you set them up and pull them down at the end of each day?

I think we are all staying i hotel rooms, would be great if there was some place local and close to keep them. Guess we could keep in back of a truck and maybe lock down??? Whatever we need to do.........

glow sticks?????
no....the T.d. is working on a little something called an extra course.
He doesn't want to puTT the local club in a postion to make it happen....more like he is thinking about spending a few days before the event to do the job himself

Pretty entertaining stuff there. If this tourney is looking like it is going to as many holes needed per round just to accomadate the wait list, shame on you Rick. You have let these Texans really effect your judgement. I'm sure lots of folks have better things to do that weekend than stand around waiting to play, and I'm sure alot of them will find that other something to do. If this tourney stays civilized I will bring my 2 baskets, and yes Vinnie I will set them up and take them down daily. Just do the right thing for the people who did the right thing, screw everybody else. (Insert crying litlle smiley's here who can't zip there pie hole.)

For you Rhett, we will bring our glowsticks. We only have nine though...........

Oh my God, are you all looking to use that thing they called a course for TX 10 July 31st event a few years back???

If so, I have several axes, machetes and various creams for all the Poison Ivy you are going to get clearing that stuff out.

I think we are all staying i hotel rooms, would be great if there was some place local and close to keep them. Guess we could keep in back of a truck and maybe lock down??? Whatever we need to do.........



Mike I am camping so maybe we could lock them at my campsite.

I can bring a basket or two.

I thought I signed up early to play three rounds at the awesome Houck-designed Victoria course. :confused:

ditto

Who out there was playing that TX 10? Does anyone remember what that second course was like?

I would be saddened if in an effort to accomodate those folks who didn't move fast enough to register, we all suffer by being forced to play a temp course that our seasoned TD would be putting in all by his lonesome a few days before the event.

I THINK IT IS RICK WHO'S BEEN HITTING THE BONG/PIPE/OLD LADY (j/k) TOO MUCH IF THAT IS WHAT HE IS TRYING TO MAKE HAPPEN.

VINNIE, BE THE TD OVERSEER YOU ESTEEM TO BE AND STOP THIS MADNESS!

ditto



What do you mean ditto your not even sign up so I guess you really meant dildo :o:Dso just check your back pocket and you will find it :D

check masters division you #$*&$! WAD :p

Just got off the bay and checked my comp & all I can say is...wow. I have to call Rick because the parks dept needs to be contacted first & foremost before doing anything about a new course.Plus, I don't want to compromise the original course in any way, shape or form just to cater to those who didn't get in.Don't get me wrong...I want everyone to play that wants to play, but this thing fills early every year...I think everyone is aware of that.Then there is the issue of players packs,tee shirts,etc. to deal with at the last minute.Let me make some calls & see what is going on before we start discussing adding holes to make another course, okay ??

ok I stand corrected but you still need to check your back pocket :o:D

Let's get back to important issues. If that is foolishly decided as the way to go, how will our format change? We are scheduled for 3 rounds 21/24 with a final nine. If a second crappy course is added, will we go to 4/18's? or what?

And what would happen to final nine?

Oh no! It's turning into Waco! I used to love playing Cameron at the charity open...then came Woodway...then came Cameron East...no, wait, I love Cameron East. Pecan Park was a lot of fun and the came Pioneer...another great course. Anyway, I agree with the fellers. This tournament is so popular because everyone loves to play this course. Hopefully, the extra course will follow suit with Cameron East & Pioneer. we'll see.

I just hope Rick's not adding some scrub course just to accomodate extra players. Methinks he may need to learn the importance of capping the field. Too many players can turn a great tournament to miserable and spilling over into a less than great course doesn't help.

By the way, I say let's use constructive criticism with Rick until he's got a year under his belt and THEN we can slam him when we don't like what he's doing. hahaha

Seawhere calls me "oh mighty texas disc golf god " nice to be worshipped


shouldn't that say nice to be worshipped by someone other than MYSELF!!!!! and just so you know that if you think what I have for you is worship than you are dumber than you look.

Chris come on now we all know that Vinnie is a legend in his own mind or what he has left of it after smoking the crack :o:D

The idea of a second course for Victoria ROCKS. A real, planned course...........not something thrown up for those who didn't get registered in time.

Kevin is right, this thing always fills way early. And those of us who did what we needed to do (register), we shouldn't be inconvenienced in an effort to accomodate those who weren't smart enough to sign up early.

This is turning into an example of greed over good golf.

Chris come on now we all know that Vinnie is a legend in his own mind or what he has left of it after smoking the crack :o:D



Yes, he's outstanding in his field. So quit filling Rick's head with these illusions of grandour.

More does not always equal better.

I say let's keep the heat on Rick right now while things are in flux. :)

Here's a little TD Hint, from one: You can't be a nice guy to everyone. When you make sure that you satisfy everyone who is in your face because they aren't in and they are pressuring you to let them in, you end up screwing over the people who supported you most by registering early and making your planning so much easier to do. Set a field limit and stick to it. You have the opportunity to use these last two weeks to work on the little details and make the tourney run smoothly because the tournament is sold out and you have all the entries and you know the divisional totals. Choosing to run around like crazy trying to fit in all the people who didn't register in time will just take away time you could be using to prep for the event.

That's my experience, anyways. I just thought I would offer it for your consideration.

Chris come on now we all know that Vinnie is a legend in his own mind or what he has left of it after smoking the crack :o:D



Yes, he's outstanding in his field. So quit filling Rick's head with these illusions of grandour.



Suemac hand the pipe back to Vinnie please his head is already in the clouds :o:D

Well said! I just bent Rick's ear with those same thoughts. He mentioned that everyone he's talked to LOVED that other course. Who is it that is saying that?

Did everyone love that other layout? Just because it is winter doesn't mean that there isn't overgrowth, poison ivy and such.

Could someone who loves it, please post, I want to know who is endorsing this foolish late move.

A better idea would be to plan for that NEXT YEAR!

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The idea of a second course for Victoria ROCKS.[QUOTE]




Let see who is saying it :o:Dread above then lynch her /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

A PERMANENT PROFESSIONALLY DESIGNED COURSE WOULD ROCK, KNUCKLEHEAD!

That's a good back stroke you have there Suemac :o:D

I've been a good swimmer my whole life, backstroke being one of my best! :D

And I did mean that a second, permanent course would be great, but permanent and professionally designed were key points.

Now, back to the problem. Rick are you going to cough up the players packs for the slackers who would be added to the event? More players means more money for the TD, right? :o:D:o:o

ok let me say a few things here -- this IS about trying to give the players the best Experience possible --there are 118 players & 24 holes which means a few people are currently going to have to play with people not in their division (24*5=120) not all divisions signed up in increments of 5 -- to make things the way they need to be - we are looking at some more possibilities --- one being adding a few more holes (this would mean 2 rounds of 27 for everybody) -- 2 adding another course -- (this would greatly ease the pressure as well as help the flow of play -- yes it does open the event for a few more people but only to fill out fields that need it -- not fill to 5 on every card ) - downside is yes some people will be stuck playing a new course -- is it the one they used for texas 10 -- maybe -- maybe not -- again we have options -- this is something that the Victoria Club and I need to figure out -- i do like the colonels idea -- give me a year & then beat the #$*&$! out of me -- will update more as i know - thanks

adding another course -- (this would greatly ease the pressure as well as help the flow of play -- yes it does open the event for a few more people but only to fill out fields that need it -- not fill to 5 on every card ) - downside is yes <font color="red"> some people </font> will be stuck playing a new course -- is it the one they used for texas 10 --



If you go with the option of a second course, why would only some of us get stuck playing the new course?

A PERMANENT PROFESSIONALLY DESIGNED COURSE WOULD ROCK, KNUCKLEHEAD!



I agree! We should try the same thing in Houston. :o

ok let me say a few things here -- this IS about trying to give the players the best Experience possible --there are 118 players & 24 holes which means a few people are currently going to have to play with people not in their division (24*5=120) not all divisions signed up in increments of 5 -- to make things the way they need to be - we are looking at some more possibilities --- one being adding a few more holes (this would mean 2 rounds of 27 for everybody) -- 2 adding another course -- (this would greatly ease the pressure as well as help the flow of play -- yes it does open the event for a few more people but only to fill out fields that need it -- not fill to 5 on every card ) - downside is yes some people will be stuck playing a new course -- is it the one they used for texas 10 -- maybe -- maybe not -- again we have options -- this is something that the Victoria Club and I need to figure out -- i do like the colonels idea -- give me a year & then beat the #$*&$! out of me -- will update more as i know - thanks



2 rounds of 27 is 54 holes but I signed up to play 3 rounds of 21 or 24. 63-72 holes. :confused:

Hey Rick just use the original course and add the same holes as usual.

Uh oh...

I signed up to play the Victoria Open on the Riverside course. There wasn't any mention of a second (temporary) course.

Adding a couple of extra baskets seems okay, but I won't play on another course because that isn't what I signed up for and it would result in giving me less instead of more.

Rick: you announced a cap of 110 players as recently as last week. Stick to it. It's too bad that folks have to be turned away from a popular tournament, but they need to get with the advanced registration program or suffer the consequences of their own inactions by being left out.

A few extra baskets/holes is one thing, but making anyone play on a secondary (and substandard) course is quite another thing. I want to know the answer to this before I show up in Victoria and find out at the players meeting from Vinnie.

Uh oh...

I signed up to play the Victoria Open on the Riverside course. There wasn't any mention of a second (temporary) course.

Adding a couple of extra baskets seems okay, but I won't play on another course because that isn't what I signed up for and it would result in giving me less instead of more.

Rick: you announced a cap of 110 players as recently as last week. Stick to it. It's too bad that folks have to be turned away from a popular tournament, but they need to get with the advanced registration program or suffer the consequences of their own inactions by being left out.


WORD!

Uh oh...

I signed up to play the Victoria Open on the Riverside course. There wasn't any mention of a second (temporary) course.

Adding a couple of extra baskets seems okay, but I won't play on another course because that isn't what I signed up for and it would result in giving me less instead of more.

Rick: you announced a cap of 110 players as recently as last week. Stick to it. It's too bad that folks have to be turned away from a popular tournament, but they need to get with the advanced registration program or suffer the consequences of their own inactions by being left out.


WORD!



Third that!

And I'm saying it as someone who was a late registerererer (stupid HOA dues).

Make that 4.

OK... just got home. First off I'd like to say that RSDGC has busted #$*&$! raising funds to make this tourney better than it has ever been for everyone involved. Our main goal from this event was not to make money, but to give the participants a great experience & to donate to other events/causes. We do things in a democratic way around here now & all of the issues ...too many players/card problems/etc were discussed. The club is in agreement that there will not be another course for the open. I just talked to Rick & we are all in agreement that we will make this thing work & it will be a blast.I'm truly sorry for anyone who did not get in, but the club is working on another permanent course to be in the ground for next years tourney(not in fox bend). Fox Bend has been cleared & will not support the holes that it did before. Again, if you want a chance to play, get on the waiting list & next year...sign up early !!! I'm sure Rick will be on soon with more details but again, this tourney will be played on the Riverside course+a couple extra holes...that's it. Thanks you to everyone who has supported the club for this tourney and to those who signed up early & get ready for a fun event !! Kevin

Thanks for all the work and all the info, Riverside Club. :)

w :eek: w this thread took off crazy!!Thanks for the promising words Kevin! I sure am glad the format won't change...<~(?24 holes?)~>that would have been a travesty. Victoria has it's own special feel to it, I fell in love with this course a few years ago when I was traveling with a couple fellers to play the Coastal Clash, I was sold when we stopped off to play this jewel.

Can anyone tell me how to get on the waiting list in case they add some extra holes......a grandmaster entry.

What is the scoop on camping? I camped the last two years. Hope I don't freeze this year. Kevin?

camping is on & its free - alcohol is allowed but no glass containers -- anything else???

Okay, Rick, I'm serious about consturtive criticism, so here goes... This is a long running tournament. To come in and add so many players that you have to add a course to accomodate players may take away from your credibility as a TD. There is a tradition behind this tournament that you don't know about. I (hopefully we) understand that, as a newbie, you will try to do new things, but Riverside is the big draw. Next year, be very aware of this. Cap the field and, as Sue said, reward the early registrants by capping the field and an making this an enjoyable tournament for all. It's not about making everyone happy, rather making this to remain one of the most loved tournaments. IMO, this is one of the most prestigious tournaments in Texas, payout and tier level aside, and an 84 player cap (4x21) would be perfectly acceptable. This tournament has as much history as any tournament in Texas, with the exception of Waterloo, so keep it respectable and reward the first 84, maybe even 105 with smooth, fun play.

While I'm on the subject, be very careful not to tamper too much with the tradition of any long running, already successful tournament. A little experimentation is fine here and there, but don't stray too much. It never hurts to ask advice of prior TDs either, especially the ones who are well respected veterans who have been playing and running tournaments for many years. Listen to your players, but don't let them run over you. Of course, you'll have to weed out the ones who just bit** about everything that's not perfectly the way they think it should be. For those people, just tell them to come back and see you when they've run a tournament or two, because, believe me, one they've been on the other side of the table, they're not nearly as quick to bark. I guess you already know this first hand. One more thing...make sure and use the LSDGA for what it was founded for back in '99 when Texas disc golf was headed for chaos. Cooperation amongst Texas TDs. Get to know some of the big boys (TDs). They're great allies and mentors. Okay, now that's it. :)

Rick Bannister can you please post the final schedule when you have it? depending on how it looks it sounds like some people might need to get refunds on their rooms and entry fees.

thanks again for stepping up and taking over the series.


needing information on the below:
How many rounds?
How many holes each round?
how many per card ?
Players meeting time?
doubles fee per team?
Doubles start time?
Who do we pay for doubles?

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Will be on you like stink on doo~doo if you don't :D

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Will be on you like stink on doo~doo if you don't :D



think we all already are! Thanks for all the smart and rational comments.

So, where's that schedule?

huh? your welcome?

So Rick says he's got this big room reserved for poker...I heard a couple women talking about putting together a ladies table...How many women playing this event play poker?

Rick Bannister Please tell us....we have to know

I do not mind playing the second course, I thought that the course was cool. :cool:

That area has changed in the last year. It has been cleared of all the brush & shredded. It will not support the holes that it did before.

Sounds good to me.

How far is the Gonzales course? just a thought.

Rick Bannister can you please post the final schedule when you have it? depending on how it looks it sounds like some people might need to get refunds on their rooms and entry fees.

thanks again for stepping up and taking over the series.


needing information on the below:
How many rounds?
How many holes each round?
how many per card ?
Players meeting time?
doubles fee per team?
Doubles start time?
Who do we pay for doubles?




first of all i would like to say i am sorry for all the confusion - being a NOOBIE TD this event has been a little overwhelming -- if anyone wants their entry fee - i will give them a full refund along with my sincerest apologies - ok format will be saturday check in time by 7:15 am -- even a phone call to let me know your on your way so that i can add anyone on the waiver list that wants to show up -- players meeting 8:00 AM start time saturday 8:30 AM -- 2 rounds of 24 --(working on a lunch vendor) there will be 5 people on almost every card -- except possibly 2 ( i will have the starting holes posted no later then tommorrow morning) sunday start time 9:30 one round of 24 for EVERYONE then a final MONSTER 9 for the top half of each PRO Division & the top half of ADV MEN -- there will be CTP's at least one round on saturday & again sunday morning FOR EACH DIVISION.. there will also be putting contests both days -- friday doubles will be flex start from 1:00 PM to 4:00; cards MUST be turned in by dark -- there will be 2 divisions, entry fees are per team - PRO - $30, AMS - $20 , payout for doubles will be paid saturday between rounds -- i will have a table set up at the pavillon on friday & you can pay me or whoever will be there -- again i apologize to everyone for any and all confusion & we are working to make this an event you will remember for years to come
thanks to everyone who has been supportive
i will have more regarding the saturday players party in the next several days -- if there are any more questions i havent answered here please let me know --

thank you Rick

Your doing a GREAT job. ;)

How far is the Gonzales course? just a thought.



NO WAY Chile!! Not for this event. It would be nice to play a sanctioned event there sometime.

Relax, ;) it's over now. ;)

lol...alrighty then... ;)

Who's gotta poker players list started yet? Anybody? Bueller Bueller? Ching Ching Lizzzard what's yer thoughts? $20 a man~15 min blinds~How many poker chip sets~Chile, you have some chips don't ya? Who else has some chips to bring to the table?

Thank you, Rick. The Victoria locals appreciate your dedication/ hard work to this tournament. Just want to say that Rick has been working dilligently with the RSDGC for quite some time to make this event something special. Any issues/changes that have been discussed/addressed about this tourney have only been with the betterment of the event in mind.So, thank you again Rick & everyone for their input on the Open.

How far is the Gonzales course? just a thought.



NO WAY Chile!! Not for this event. It would be nice to play a sanctioned event there sometime.



Gonzales Open is on this year!!! dates & etc. later :D

How far is the Gonzales course? just a thought.



NO WAY Chile!! Not for this event. It would be nice to play a sanctioned event there sometime.



Gonzales Open is on this year!!! dates & etc. later :D



Sweet!!

yes I will bring my poker chips, and what ever on the buy in ;)

lol...alrighty then... ;)

Who's gotta poker players list started yet? Anybody? Bueller Bueller? Ching Ching Lizzzard what's yer thoughts? $20 a man~15 min blinds~How many poker chip sets~Chile, you have some chips don't ya? Who else has some chips to bring to the table?



I like the $20 buy-in and 15 minute blinds. I can draw up a blind schedule and get it posted/printed.

Rick said that he got a large room at the host hotel for poker...can KW or one of the other locals take a look at it and see if it already has tables please? Are there plenty of chairs too???

(If not, then I have a table or two that I can bring.) I've got chips, KEM cards, etc.

Yeah...a list ought to be started so we know who all is playing and we can bring enough stuff.

If you want to PM me, I'll start building a list. Melissa will be playing too... Why would there be a separate "Women's Poker Division" at this thing? Seems pretty silly to me...

Wallace is in!!! I have an extra chip set if needed

I'll have to get by there & look at it. I just got off the phone with them & she told me that the room has a large confernce table in there with about 15 chairs around the table.I'll let you know more when I find out later, but you'll probably want to bring a table w/you for sure.

Our folding tables can squeeze in 10 players...do you think we'll need 2 of them KW? What about chairs?

Hmmmm....

Should we "cap" the field size at 10 or at 20? :D

So it's full huh???? Well all of you have fun at this event. I tried to sign up on Titledisc a couple of weeks ago, but NO Titledisc. Now I can't get in.... HMMMMM Imagine that, locals can't get in!!! It's all good though, maybe next year, I can drop a division to play with all the local BAGGERS that are scared to become a PDGA member due to ratings!! :oI wish the best of luck to all of you out of towners and hope that these new people don't ruin a LEGACY! The Victoria Open has always been my favorite tourney, and I personally think it should be done the way it always has been. I guess these newbies know more than everyone else :DAnyway, if there is a waitlist, put me on it or at least tell us how to get on it cause I know of a few people that are not gonna play this way. Maybe a Summer Open done the original way would be SWEEEET. Good luck RSDG, I hope it was worth it.

Sure hope that won't stop you from dropping by and drinking a few with your out of town friends.

Red Rock Show for you guys this year? If so, sign up early on discnation.com ;)

Nothing will stop that Sue!!! I will be there all weekend gettin' my drank on!!! See ya next weekend!!

BTW, I think the ladies should be able to play with the guys. No need for seperate games.........that is unless you guys are scared!

And that being said, I think 20 would be a good number. Remember Team Fat Boy will be in the house.

I am not escared!! I will be at States and Red Rock fo sho!! The knee is feelin' great and I'm ready to get er done!! Too bad I won't be playin' my home course :mad:

Why would there be a separate "Women's Poker Division" at this thing? Seems pretty silly to me...




Ladies wanna have fun too but not have to get caught up in our poker machismo. Actually it seems pretty silly to tell the ladies what they can and can't do, think about it for a sec ching. :cool:

Only if you are telling them what they have already decided they want to do. :cool:

Coffey and I were talking last night at the mini, and thought it would be fun to have a ladies table. It's not very often that there is enough of us to be able to, and we just thought it would be more fun than hangin' with the guys...

Only if you are telling them what they have already decided they want to do. :cool:



I think I did that once.


She changed her mind after.

[chuckle] Yeah Jeff...I wouldn't presume tell em anything...

I know that Melissa will hang with any of us guys at a poker table...and usually take home some money too! :D

I just find it really weird to hear that there might be a "Women's Game" going...it doesn't seem necessary.

This post confuses me...I contacted you last week by PM about playing &amp; never got a response. Also, please let me know who is playing down out of their rating so that can be corrected. Thanks, Jason.


So it's full huh???? Well all of you have fun at this event. I tried to sign up on Titledisc a couple of weeks ago, but NO Titledisc. Now I can't get in.... HMMMMM Imagine that, locals can't get in!!! It's all good though, maybe next year, I can drop a division to play with all the local BAGGERS that are scared to become a PDGA member due to ratings!! :oI wish the best of luck to all of you out of towners and hope that these new people don't ruin a LEGACY! The Victoria Open has always been my favorite tourney, and I personally think it should be done the way it always has been. I guess these newbies know more than everyone else :DAnyway, if there is a waitlist, put me on it or at least tell us how to get on it cause I know of a few people that are not gonna play this way. Maybe a Summer Open done the original way would be SWEEEET. Good luck RSDG, I hope it was worth it.

OK EVERYONE HERE IT IS -- this is card assignments not the holes -- i wanted everyone a chance to see how the cards fall & if anyone wants to back out then again i will give them a full refund & my sincerest apologies --




MPO Robert Gomez 1
MPO Marcus Lujan 1
MPO Peter Lopez 1
MPO Gary Robison 1
MPO Tom Robison 1
MPO Jay Reading 2
MPO Alex Hughes 2
MPO Trey Reeves 2
MPO Ed Coffey 2
MPO JD Ramirez 2
MPO Smokin' Joe Torres 3
MPO Rene Torres 3
MPO Joe Hague 3
MPO Erron Salazar 3
MPO Jeffrey Hellman 3
MPO Matt Hall 4
MPO Vinnie Miller 4
MPO Michael Olse 4
MPO Steven Hemmeline 4
MPO Ryan Sawyer 4
MPM Eddie Miller 5
MPM James McCaine 5
MPM Marcus Roberts 5
MPM Jerry Perez Sr. 5
MPM Chris Ware 5
MPG Jack Banks 6
MPG Louis Hall 6
MPG Neal Dambra 6
MPG Richard Lewis 6
MPG Ricky Wright 6
MPG Dale Hemmeline 7
MM1 Mike Ware 7
MM1 Steve Dufrane 7
MM1 Randall Crockett 7
MM1 Vicinte Trujillo 7
MA1 Alex Bachicha 8
MA1 Mike "Metal" Fuller 8
MA1 Erik Engebretson 8
MA1 Darrell Higgins 8
MA1 Trey Clarkson 8
MA1 Casey Guthrie 9
MA1 Armando Marroquin 9
MA1 Marcus Rios 9
MA1 Tony Bender 9
MA1 Guillermo Avalos 9
MA1 Anthony Pugh 10
MA1 Scott Rozanski 10
MA1 Michael Smith 10
MA1 Brian "Boo" Pearson 10
MA1 Kevin Willis 10
MA1 Brett Robertson 11
MA1 Tres VanDusen 11
MA1 Sean Pool 11
MA1 Armando "Gordo" Garcia 11
MA1 Rhett Stroh 11
MA2 Justin Lesikar 12
MA2 Alex Ontiveros 12
MA2 Mark Morton 12
MA2 Glen Russell 12
MA2 Lance Hankins 12
MA2 Jody Curtis 13
MA2 Nick Ramirez 13
MA2 Carl Seale 13
MA2 Wade Dauner 13
MA2 Jason Eakins 13
MA2 John Ledesma 14
MA2 Benjamin Avalos 14
MA2 Toby Clarkson 14
MA2 Cyrus Morton 14
MA2 Tom Novak 14
MA2 Mason Smith 15
MA2 Chris Craig 15
MA2 Tim Engebretson 15
MA2 Luis Torres 15
MA2 Rob Moody 15
MA2 Phillip Quast 16
MA2 Sterling Kocian 16
MA2 Jim England 16
MA2 Jim Yount 16
MA2 David McKibbon 16
MA2 Michael Ketchum 17
MA2 Max Ochoa 17
MA2 Geoffrey Mysorski 17
MA2 Mike Solis 17
MA2 Steve Butler 17
MA2 William Cartwright III 18
MA2 John "Gimp" Edwards 18
MG1 Jan Baumgardner 18
MG1 Larry Kruse 18
MG1 Lance Steck 18
MA3 Chad Abston 19
MA3 Robert Ybarbo 19
MA3 Jerry Lively 19
MA3 David Shook 19
MA3 Tito Amador 19
MA3 Randy Samora 20
MA3 Bryan Davis 20
MA3 Brandon Horn 20
MA3 Billy Lagal 20
MA3 Paulie Bagwell 20
MA3 Fritz Boedeker 21
MA3 Justin Garcia 21
MA3 Sam Hanke 21
MA3 Juan Torres 21
MA3 Michael Mueller 21
FPO Megan Stroh 22
FPO Laura Coffey 22
FPO Liz Lopez 22
FPO Desiree Reading 22
FPO Patty Justice 23
FPO Katie Stockham 23
FPO Kat Bender 23
FPO Gail Repka 23
FPO Sherri Logan 24
FPO Susan Macaluso 24
FPO DeAtra Hunter 24
FW2 Kim Cartwright 25
FW2 Terri Ordner 25
FW2 Nicole Cazares 25

Very cool to have card assignments made out this far in advance Rick!!!

I was glad to be flexible! I checked it over pretty good, and it looks like a good card assignment job Rick. I don't know how you could've done much better with the divisional splits they way they are...

If a MA2 player drops out, will you be replacing them with a MA2, or will you take the first name off the wait list regardless of division? That could mean a frequent re-shuffling of card assignments over the next week or so! :D

Thanks!

first of all i would like to say i am sorry for all the confusion - being a NOOBIE TD this event has been a little overwhelming -- if anyone wants their entry fee - i will give them a full refund along with my sincerest apologies - ok format will be saturday check in time by 7:15 am -- even a phone call to let me know your on your way so that i can add anyone on the waiver list that wants to show up -- players meeting 8:00 AM start time saturday 8:30 AM -- 2 rounds of 24 --(working on a lunch vendor) there will be 5 people on almost every card -- except possibly 2 ( i will have the starting holes posted no later then tommorrow morning) sunday start time 9:30 one round of 24 for EVERYONE then a final MONSTER 9 for the top half of each PRO Division & the top half of ADV MEN -- there will be CTP's at least one round on saturday & again sunday morning FOR EACH DIVISION.. there will also be putting contests both days -- friday doubles will be flex start from 1:00 PM to 4:00; cards MUST be turned in by dark -- there will be 2 divisions, entry fees are per team - PRO - $30, AMS - $20 , payout for doubles will be paid saturday between rounds -- i will have a table set up at the pavillon on friday & you can pay me or whoever will be there -- again i apologize to everyone for any and all confusion & we are working to make this an event you will remember for years to come
thanks to everyone who has been supportive
i will have more regarding the saturday players party in the next several days -- if there are any more questions i havent answered here please let me know --



<font color="white"> bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump </font>

This post confuses me...I contacted you last week by PM about playing & never got a response. Also, please let me know who is playing down out of their rating so that can be corrected. Thanks, Jason.


wants some cheese with that

So it's full huh???? Well all of you have fun at this event. I tried to sign up on Titledisc a couple of weeks ago, but NO Titledisc. Now I can't get in.... HMMMMM Imagine that, locals can't get in!!! It's all good though, maybe next year, I can drop a division to play with all the local BAGGERS that are scared to become a PDGA member due to ratings!! :oI wish the best of luck to all of you out of towners and hope that these new people don't ruin a LEGACY! The Victoria Open has always been my favorite tourney, and I personally think it should be done the way it always has been. I guess these newbies know more than everyone else :DAnyway, if there is a waitlist, put me on it or at least tell us how to get on it cause I know of a few people that are not gonna play this way. Maybe a Summer Open done the original way would be SWEEEET. Good luck RSDG, I hope it was worth it.

good job Rick but who is "peter" lopez :D:p

El Chile Knows :o:D

Alright...went by the Quality Inn this morning & checked out the conference room. I'm not a poker player and don't know how large the tables are, but....the room is pretty darn large. I would say the 2 round tables able to seat 8 people could easily fit in there. Plus, the room that it sits off of could easily fit 3 tables that size. The manager commented that we could use that areaas well. Also, riughly 16 chairs in the conference room & an additional 20 or so in the adjacent room.Hope that helps.

Right on Kevin, thanks!!


****, Chile knows "Peter Lopez" that's f'ed up Chinger....but funny too....hahahaha :D

Jeff, you and Chinger can get with Pete at Victoria ;) Dave's riding with Pete ;)

You mean your not getting the tres amigos +1 wedo ace vehicle together again?(PIO)<><> OOps someone get in with Chinger and Peter then if you wanna chance for any ACE money.....Pete's always hitting em or getting them from ctp's and if not then whoever is with him usually gets it....

we will have the ace vehicle again but it will be 3 crackers and 1 amigo this time. :D

Chris, it would be nice to hit an ace! So what's the Ace Pot Total;?

gimme a bit to work on it & i will let you know - ace pot is from entire lone star series -- so it should be fairly big -- was last hit in december in conroe & there have been 3 with the macgregor this weekend so i will post it soon let me go do the numbers -- larry --regarding people dropping out - for the most part thats how it would work -- however say look at the MPG & the MM1 i have 6 of 1 & 4 of the other -- so if a MPG dropped out i would go down to the first MPG or the first MM1 to let them on -- same thing with MA2 if someone dropped out of there i would call either the first MA2, MG1 or maybe even FW2 on the list -- however just for the records unless someone from MPO, MPM, MA3 drops out -- these are as is -i did mess up & put ma1 in the ma2 division so thats gonna change a bit --- **** did i screw up -- 3 hours of hard work yesterday down the drain

we will have the ace vehicle again but it will be 3 crackheads and 1 amigo this time. :D



Must be coming from Round Rock :o:D

this is a guess but 119 players X $5.00 would = $595 that is if everyone got in the ace pot. and there are 119 registered to play.,

nice edit mcBAGGER :eek:

larry --regarding people dropping out - for the most part thats how it would work -- however say look at the MPG & the MM1 i have 6 of 1 & 4 of the other -- so if a MPG dropped out i would go down to the first MPG or the first MM1 to let them on -- same thing with MA2 if someone dropped out of there i would call either the first MA2, MG1 or maybe even FW2 on the list



That sounds like a good way to handle it Rick...it keeps you from having to reshuffle that whole card assignment list with every change. Given that it took you about 3 hours to do that first one - the less changes to it the better right? :D Besides...you've got another tournament to run tomorrow and we all know...you need your beauty rest!

wow -- let me post this again -- this is CARD ASSIGNMENTS -- NOT HOLE ASSIGNMENTS -- I am aware that this is not the order that groups are placed on the holes for play -- but this the order that I USED TO MANAGE THE CARDS --- also regarding the card placements -- if anyone wants to know what i used to determine who was on what card -- then open an excel spreadsheet & in the formula bar type =rand() then hit F9 do that down the list for each division & then go to click DATA > SORT & choose the column & tell it to sort to either ascending or descending -- thanks --

this is a guess but 119 players X $5.00 would = $595 that is if everyone got in the ace pot. and there are 119 registered to play.,



Is there gonna be ctp if no one hits it?

I think it is a "series" ace pot so it travels to Temple if not hit.

that seems odd since the VO is not part of a series

It is advertised as a "qualifier" (I think), so we'd better get an answer from the MAN. Rick? :)

Dont you mean Vinnie :o:D

She said the Man not the mouth :D;)

Just spoke with Rick during lunch...

The Victoria Open is NOT an LSS qualifier!

The LSS Ace Pot won't be in play this weekend.
He said that he really regrets not advertising this one as an LSS qualifier to begin with, but will do so next year.

She said the Man not the mouth :D;)

:o

That was a good one ha Laura ;) :D:D

Just for you & Ware :D

Let's take a poll ;)

:D Let's play nice in public. Funny none the less.

I am being nice ;) :) see all happy faces :) :) :) ;) relaxed :cool:

More bong hits, then :cool::D

no bong to big :DI have a friend who had some bad luck with his bong and Victoria Police :D

Alright...went by the Quality Inn this morning & checked out the conference room. I'm not a poker player and don't know how large the tables are, but....the room is pretty darn large. I would say the 2 round tables able to seat 8 people could easily fit in there. Plus, the room that it sits off of could easily fit 3 tables that size. The manager commented that we could use that areaas well. Also, riughly 16 chairs in the conference room & an additional 20 or so in the adjacent room.Hope that helps.



You ROCK Kdub!!

Sounds like it'll work for sure and I get to leave the tables home! :D Man! I owe you big for checking that out!

We've got 3 in already...I imagine that Gimp and Roz will play if they know about it...that's a half a table already...

I will be playing poker and Sherri said to tell El Chile she will take his money again :DRain rain go away :(

I'll reserve a seat. How about an additional $5 bounty to be paid to the player that knocks you out?

I'll reserve a seat. How about an additional $5 bounty to be paid to the player that knocks you out?



I like bounties. :D They always add an extra element of fun to the game.

So let's recap what we've got so far:

$20 buy-in plus a $5 bounty.
5000 chips.
15 minute blind schedule:
100/200
200/400
300/600
break and color-up.(1hr mark)
500/1000
1000/2000
2000/4000
break. (2hr mark)
4000/8000
5000/10000

Players so far:
Hellman
Harris
Kruse
Markus
Sherri
Alex
Gimp-?
Roz-?
Chile-?
Ware-?
V-man-?

What night (or nights) are we gonna play? We can probably start one game at 9pm on Friday night. Should be finished by 11:30 at the latest...still plenty of time to get some sleep. Same gig on Saturday night too?

What about running 1 gun-slinger at each table? Gun-slinger payout will be in the amount of 1 buy-in.

Assuming we fill 2 tables of 10 each, and 2 gun-slinger positions, then I'd propose the following payout scheme:

1 - $180
2 - $100
3 - $50
4 - $40
5 - $30
gs1 -$20
gs2 -$20

What do you guys think?

I'll check with Wallace Hall today. I think he was in.

Why you got to put a bounty on me????? :confused:

:DYa gotta love it when the whining starts this early! :D

Cmon Markus...you'll have one of the bounties that everyone at the table is gonna be gunnin' for! :D LoL!!! Between yours and Vinnie's, somebody is gonna want to frame those $5 bills!

Do I win the bounty bonus if I win the tourney :D

Nope.

The bonus is paid out at the season finale! :D

WHY???????????????????????????????????????????? :D

Here's another idea:

Do you think we ought to have an Am field? I've got a couple poker shirts, a lighter, and some other items for a merch payout. :D

LOL, definitely not. give some of that stuff to first one knocked out and first loser(first one to miss cash) :D

Hopefully, they get it right this time !!! As of today...

Friday and Friday Night
Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. Highs in the mid 50s.


Saturday and Saturday Night
Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Highs in the mid 60s.


Sunday
Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s.

:D

I feel like I might have made a mistake camping like last year.. probably too late to make other arrangements though.

I feel like I might have made a mistake camping like last year.. probably too late to make other arrangements though.




LOL...I feel like I might have made a mistake by getting a room at the Quality Inn...hehe...I camped there once and remember listening to the animals at the zoo, it made for a pretty kewl experience. :cool:

Adversity creates memories and the mundane is forgotten as far as I am concerned.

Is it Friday Yet :D

Bring it Marcus, and yes Sherri is the poker player ;) Again congrats Marcus.

what time will Team Warez be arriving to play dubs????
Joe an I would be honored to play wit yah fellers

Does anyone have the physical address of the campsite, sosen I can mapquest it? All I could seem to find was the Zip code for the DG course.....Muchas Gracias

take 59 s to victoria then take the 59 business -- which is also called houston hwy -- go down a ways & hang a right on main st(HWY 87) -- then take an immediate left on red river rd

Cool Vinni.

Can someone describe the six extras. Are the three between 15 and 16 going to be used?

Rick, can we check in someplace friday evening to avoid the early saturday am check in?

Does anyone have the physical address of the campsite, sosen I can mapquest it? All I could seem to find was the Zip code for the DG course.....Muchas Gracias




camping is right here on mapquest (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=&state=&zipcode=77901)

Is it to early for a weather up-date? Come on rain ;)

Those 2 are in the ground now James. PERMANENT!!!

BTW...the camping is in the middle of the course across the street from the zoo. :)

Fri
Feb 16 Sunny
60�/44� 10%




Sat
Feb 17 Mostly Sunny
67�/43� 10%




Sun
Feb 18 Mostly Sunny
61�/44� 10%

I hope your right....thats sound very nice

Windy for saturday, other than that looks like a nice weekend.

Ware has is it right, this week~end is shaping up to be great weather. Keep bringin that good weather vibe Rhett!! ;)

Wut up Hellman??? Where u been? I'll see ya this weekend!! Cold beer and good times!! Your not camping this year??? Give me a call this week sometime.

I try to call you but your phone is never on...naw no camping went ahead and got a room. Did you get in or is this tourney missing a local that should be playing? If your not in, I am sad...

No, unless someone drops out(which they usually do!) I am not in :( But I will be there for doubles Friday and to hang out the rest of the weekend. My phone was broken for a week or two, I got it fixed now..

When are you guys getting into town?

who?
I'll be there about noon

ok i should have a course map sometime today with all 24 holes & the distances -- so just bear with me --

Congrats for what ??? Kicking your arse :D:mad:

Thanks for letting us all know. I'll sleep easier knowing when the MAN is expected to arrive.

Good job this past weekend.

I'll be there on wednesday :D :D :D

Just what Sue needed to know Marcus ;) Congrat's to you and Sheri making it to Victoria ;) ( you and Sheri ;))

Congrats for what ??? Kicking your arse :D:mad:


Just playing with your mind :D:D:D

Ware has is it right, this week~end is shaping up to be great weather. Keep bringin that good weather vibe Rhett!! ;)


I don't know that I/we can take any credit, considering how last year went. :) Man, those lame-sounding heated seats in the rental car last year were awesome!

I'll learn from you and wait a looooooooooooooooooong time :DMarcace plays better #$*&$! off anyhow :mad:

It's all good Marcus, so what about wed. night? Read your PMS.

absinthe anyone????

no green fairy for me thanks though

absinthe anyone????



Sounds good

a woodworm?

your not old enough to drink /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sure I am. I've been drinking milk since i was born.

I think your girl is going to have you on a short LEASH :p :eek:

I think your girl is going to have you on a short LEASH :p :eek:


No her DAD is going to have him on a short leash :D;)

You know Rhett's gotta love the fact that he doesn't have to deal with a boyfriend coming over to his house all the time considering Scooter~Mcscootin~scoot lives 1500 miles away...

The kids are going to have to make up for lost time :o:D:D

The kids are going to have to make up for lost time :o:D:D



and i am sure thats rhetts greatest fear - hey anyone wanna play some disc golf this weekend???

hey anyone wanna play some disc golf this weekend???




Sounds great...I was thinking about going down to Victoria to play that crazy cool course, wanna play there :D

yeah sounds good -- i hear there are a bunch of crazies gonna be down there some tourney going on or something -- dont know about that TD -- i hear he is a real NOOB --

whats the entry fee for ADV at Temple, NOOB? :D

Weather is looking GREAT!

$35 +$5 ace pot + $5 non pdga

2007 VIC OPEN COURSE LAYOUT MAP (http://www.flynhighdiscgolf.com/VicOpen/Vicopenmap.JPG)

nice.....No confussing on which tee box to play...I like it.
Lets see it the payout before the first round :D

Hey! Thanks for the map Danger! I'll be printing out a copy when I get home today.

Where is that Final-9 layout? LoL!!! :D

hole 12 to 13 basket....NICE

rick you have email at your gmail addy.

seeware -- got it -- call me asap -- 713.315.7325

once I get out of this meeting I will give you a call

Just say excuse me Vinnie :o:D

to give you guys a feel of wha the monster 9 will be like (this may change a bit) but for the most part most of these holes will be used

MONSTER 1 -- 4 Tee to 5
MONSTER 2 -- HOLE 6
MONSTER 3 -- 7 Tee to basket 10
MONSTER 4 -- 11 Tee to 11A
MONSTER 5 -- 12 Tee to 13
MONSTER 6 -- 14 Tee to 15
MONSTER 7 -- B Tee to C
MONSTER 8 -- F Tee to 16
MONSTER 9 -- 17 Tee to 18

let the complaining begin ;)

Wow! Rick I'm gonna pay you for the Temple tournament at Victoira. Bring some sign up sheets, Thanks.

Wow! Rick I'm gonna pay you for the Temple tournament at Victoira. Bring some sign up sheets, Thanks.



I'll probably do the same.

Happy B-day Matt! :D

So how young are you Matt 17, 18?

18 right? Happy Birthday Matty!

Still a puppy ;)

18 right? Happy Birthday Matty!



Yes and thanks.

He may be a pup but, at least he's a good puppy, doesn't get caught up in all the puppy things that get them in trouble. ;)

Wow!!! Happy Birthday Scooter!!! ****! Has it been that long already? It seems like these last 4 years or so have just flown by! (Probably not to you, but to many of the rest of us - it seems like it!)

Congrats on the big 18 Matt! :D

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! :p

ok ok go to the below thread to wish Matt happy birthday this thread is for the Victory tourney... :D


matt's b-day thread (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=653242&Main=653045#Post653242)

Geez! Listen to see-dub!!! He's gone and gotten all formal-like on us.

Did you join the "Posting Police" force or something?

I'll try to keep stuff relevant to only Victoria Open from now on...

"Hey Scooter - Are you still going to be celebrating your very Happy 18th Birthday this weekend in Victoria?"

(How's that for Victoria Open relevance?) :D

wow 2 birthdays this weekend gonna be a party somewhere --

:D

wow 2 birthdays this weekend gonna be a party somewhere --



All right!!!! :D

:D <font color="blue"> Party in Rick's room!!!! </font> :D

Is it Friday yet? :D

Yeah it's Friday ;)

Pete Lopez, you lurker give me a call. :cool:

Is anyone interested in Mixed Doubles for Friday?

Might be - how many ladies are coming early? A ladies division might be fun also, I have a partner. :D

I bet you do. :eek: You also have PM birthday girl.

So what was the ACE POT total? over $500 or close to it. :)

Might be - how many ladies are coming early? A ladies division might be fun also, I have a partner. :D



I'll play some mixed dubs.

Ill be getting in early friday. Playing mixed dubs with Billy.

Best shot, worst, or alt?

I like alternating drives and then best shot for everything else.

Nobody 18 or under is allowed, new course rule. I have a mixed doubles partner, but she hasn't let me play with her in a few years.

On the golf course that is. :D :eek: :D

she hasn't let me play with her in a few years.



yeow!!! I've heard of digging oneself into the dog-house before, but this might be taking it to a new level! :D

I have a mixed doubles partner, but she hasn't let me play with her in a few years.

It is my birthday - let's play. :D

Friday: Sunny. Highs in the mid 50s and lows in the low 40s.

Saturday: Sunshine. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the low 40s.

Sunday: partly cloudy. Highs in the low 60s and lows in the mid 40s.

I might need a partner.

hey rhett -- if you want to play with someone that has a 825 rated (arm) although it was good enough to quiet millers 997 rated donkey -- i will possibly be playing -

great weather, how about the winds? ;)

hey rhett -- if you want to play with someone that has a 825 rated (arm) although it was good enough to quiet m
illers 997 rated donkey -- i will possibly be playing -


:o:o:o:o:o:D:D:D;)

rick i think rhett is talking mixed doubles

7-9 mph winds all 3 days

rick i think rhett is talking mixed doubles


Yeah, I thought Matt would be too into trying to win the pro division doubles to consider mixed doubles, but I guess he is wising-up in his old age. :)

rick i think rhett is talking mixed doubles


Yeah, I thought Matt would be too into trying to win the pro division doubles to consider mixed doubles, but I guess he is wising-up in his old age. :)



Even if I wanted to play Pro doubles I wouldn't have a partner in town on time so I was just going to practice until the whole Mixed thing came up.

I will be in town early enough if you wanna win some extra $$$$ playing dubs... :D

hey rhett -- if you want to play with someone that has a 825 rated (arm) although it was good enough to quiet millers 997 rated donkey -- i will possibly be playing -



Hmmm...this could possibly make a convincing mixed doubles team... :D:D

I will be in town early enough if you wanna win some extra $$$$ playing dubs... :D



I am already going to make $$$ at dubs with Megan. :D

matt -- try to do something on your own - dont have your gf carry your dead weight around on the course

bump come on friday :p

chris, can you give us a weather update for this weekend???

Friday: Sunny. Highs in the mid 50s and lows in the low 40s.

Saturday: Sunshine. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the low 40s.

Sunday: partly cloudy. Highs in the low 60s and lows in the mid 40s.

7-10 mph winds

if i am reading that right - its mean cool, little wind & NO chance of precipitation falling from the skys -- YES YES YES!!!!!!

Traffic warning!!!!! 59 South @ Hwy 99 (Grand Parkway) is scheduled to be closed starting Friday night @ 9:00 PM until Monday morning :( :mad:


Be prepared for delays /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Traffic warning!!!!! 59 South @ Hwy 99 (Grand Parkway) is scheduled to be closed starting Friday night @ 9:00 PM until Monday morning :( :mad:


Be prepared for delays /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



Unless you take 521/288 to 1462 (or 35) and go around it. :)

Yeah Victoria :D

Hey, I am going to attempt to do an economic impact report for this tournament like I did a couple of years back for Piney Woods. This proved helpful for many TD's in approaching businesses for sposnorship. Here is what it means for you:

--Start to save all of your receipts or keep a log on everything you spend money on during your travels to and while in Victoria for the Vic Open. Think how many miles you will travel in from. Be sure to split the cost of the hotel, gas if you are traveling with others.

--I'll pass out data sheets before the players meeting. Keep detailed and accurate records throughout your stay.

--Turn in the sheet at the end and be eligible for a cool prize package.

Awesome :p

way to step up

ok folks -- i will be headed down in a few hours -- hope everyone has a safe trip -- by the if you coming from houston --- I-10 to 77 south - saves bout 30 minutes on the drive (from most parts in houston) & has fewer POOOOO-LEASE for those of you with the heavy feet