Larry, I don't think he was knocking your payout. Just letting people know that players aren't "bagging" just to get mounds and mounds of discs, which was suggested earlier in the thread.

Oh, and as for the player's packs. I mean, it's not like these guys can put together 600+ players packs in case they get the numbers. As long as there's no cutoff, the best they can do is offer to only the first X # of players. If I was to get in after 500, I'd be happy just to be able to play at that point, and I couldn't care less about the pack. Most tournaments would just turn you away if you were the 550th player.

Speak the knowledge BIG WAVE DAVE! cya in BG, you going to play Earlewood? Better hurry its gonna fill quick!

Speak the knowledge BIG WAVE DAVE! cya in BG, you going to play Earlewood? Better hurry its gonna fill quick!


Man i wish i could go to earlwood this year but it does not look like it february and march are jsut to busy. i am going to miss going for sure

the reason people bag in this event is because of the sweeeet payout.



I played INT last year... finished tied for 12th I think... top 10% of the field. I got two discs, 1 champ, 1 KC Pro. How is that a sweet payout? My friend finished around 4th or 5th and got about 4 or 5 discs. Again...

The payout at BG is in the player's pack. I felt stiffed last year because I was not able to sign up until after the packs were gone. Before people say I should have signed up sooner, I didn't know I was going to have the weekend off until the weekend before.

This year I am signed up, and I hope the player's pack is just as nice as last year...

But back to my point... I don't think that the payout is what I would call sweet.

I played a C-Tier in Cookeville where I think 3 (maybe 4) baskets were given away across divisions... I placed tied for middle of the field in ADV and took home two Star discs... that's a sweet payout for a tournament.



well said!!!!

I placed third two years ago and got three discs including a trophy disc. It wasnt about the plastic. its about the level of play. there is a big difference in a few local top fives and a notional top five!!!!

I'd be happy just to finish in the top 10 in advanced masters. The player's package covers my entry. I only with other clubs that charge $50 for advanced entry could match it. rWc3523 :cool:

Even though this is only my 2nd year I'm coming back for the competition and the level of play. It's not about the plastic for me either I just want to play big events and play consistant.

I am sorry you felt like you didn't get much but for $30 those that got the players pack which was most you got over that in value. For those that didn't you still got a disc for the $30. When you figure all those that got the sweet players package for the $30 and those that got just one disc, there really just isn't much money left over to try and payout the numbers needed. Actually I have to lower the figures for the INT just so I can have money to payout as without it I wouldn't pay any. So to say it is not sweet, to me is crazy. Anyway just thought I would throw that out there.



Larry, I understand that MOST of the players got a great package. I was dissappointed that I didn't, but I understand completely that giving out such great packages means that prizes have to be reduced.

In fact, I like most of the AM rewards being in the form of players packs.

The only thing I don't like (and this is at all events) is that players beyond the set number of player packs don't get the same value for the same entry fee. I was upset that after finishing in the top 10% that I got less than anyone who got the players pack. All because I was unable to sign up in time.

It would be nice if additional packs could be made up after the tournament and shipped to the players at a cost for shipping and time spent putting the packs together. I doubt this will ever happen at any event, but it would be nice if all players received the same benefits.

As in with MANY different types of events (fund raisers, concerts, etc) they want you to pre-register or buy your ticket ahead of time so the promoter can guage how many people are coming to an event. They offer benefits to those that do pre-register as an tool to do this. However, as you said you cannot because of work schedules, but that is just the way that it goes. They are not going to retroactively give you the same benefit as it defeats the purpose.

I am sorry you felt like you didn't get much but for $30 those that got the players pack which was most you got over that in value. For those that didn't you still got a disc for the $30. When you figure all those that got the sweet players package for the $30 and those that got just one disc, there really just isn't much money left over to try and payout the numbers needed. Actually I have to lower the figures for the INT just so I can have money to payout as without it I wouldn't pay any. So to say it is not sweet, to me is crazy. Anyway just thought I would throw that out there.



Larry, I understand that MOST of the players got a great package. I was dissappointed that I didn't, but I understand completely that giving out such great packages means that prizes have to be reduced.

In fact, I like most of the AM rewards being in the form of players packs.

The only thing I don't like (and this is at all events) is that players beyond the set number of player packs don't get the same value for the same entry fee. I was upset that after finishing in the top 10% that I got less than anyone who got the players pack. All because I was unable to sign up in time.

It would be nice if additional packs could be made up after the tournament and shipped to the players at a cost for shipping and time spent putting the packs together. I doubt this will ever happen at any event, but it would be nice if all players received the same benefits.



Sign up on time......

Sign up on time......



As said before, this was not possible because I did not know I was going to have the weekend free. As far as signing up "on time," I did, I just didn't sign up "in time" to get the players pack.

It's really a moot point. I had a great time and I am going back this year (yes, already signed up).

Bigs put it best:

"Larry, I don't think he was knocking your payout. Just letting people know that players aren't "bagging" just to get mounds and mounds of discs, which was suggested earlier in the thread. "

That was the intent of my statement. No doubt about it, the payout at this tournament is the players pack... and getting to play 4 different courses in one weekend!

Now back to constructive talk (as I really didn't mean to get the conversation into this)...

Pirate, I wouldn't say this discussion isn't constructive. Payout is always a topic of discussion in disc golf events. My wife was in the same boad a couple years ago in this event. I can't speak for Larry, but they might have agreed to refund your money had you paid up front and not been able to show up. I've heard the same thing from people about the payout, but the players package is worth the entry alone, not to mention four great courses (for advanced at least), the World class players party, blues band, fly mart, food (great wings) and $1 draft courtesy of the KofC and a big screen TV for March Madness junkies made up for any shortcomings. Like I said, I'll be happy if I finally finish near the top! :p rWc3523 :cool:

Will there most likely be a doubles event on Friday? Ideas on format, cost, etc?

They have two doubles events on Friday, but I don't know the details. They will be posted later I'm sure. rWc3523 :cool:

Oh yea I am playin some DUBS for sure. Last year they were on Friday at Keriakes and Lovers, I think. I remember it was raining tho, so we didn't play. I hope that this year both doubles events will be at different times so I can play both. Koontz you in? We will form Team Runner Up.

When it comes to doubles you dont want to mess with my buddy Jon and I. With his strong left arm for distance and my long right arm for accuracy we are SHAKE N BAKE!!! He's the Magic Man. Now you see him, now you dont. And I'm El Diablo, the Fighting Chicken. We will come at you like a spider monkey. We're both hopped up on Mountain Dew!

we are SHAKE N BAKE!!! He's the Magic Man. Now you see him, now you dont. And I'm El Diablo, the Fighting Chicken. We will come at you like a spider monkey. We're both hopped up on Mountain Dew!



That was enough Ricky Bobby references to make my head explode!

Speaking of players packs...

Is the plan for this year to do another variety of manufacturers?

THAT JUST HAPPENED!!

When it comes to doubles you dont want to mess with my buddy Jon and I. With his strong left arm for distance and my long right arm for accuracy we are SHAKE N BAKE!!! He's the Magic Man. Now you see him, now you dont. And I'm El Diablo, the Fighting Chicken. We will come at you like a spider monkey. We're both hopped up on Mountain Dew!



Me and my caddy tied the course record last year at lovers. With a -14. You wont beat that and we will be there this year. I'm a lefty with accuarcy and a 450 and he is a 1005 rated righty with a 475 and one of the best roc shot any one has seen.

1005 rated player in an am event? :confused: rWc3523 :cool:

It was sarcasm. Could you not tell from all the Ricky Bobby quotes? I dont even plan on playing doubles. I never go on the course the day before a tourney. I stay home and putt.

I can never tell on this forum... and what with sandbagging being so rampant in the PDGA ;). :p :) I'd rather play a course or two, but likely won't be able to that this year. thanks, rWc3523 :cool:

As for doubles yes I have confirmation from both MaceMan and SunKing that they will be here. Once I get all the info I will post it for you. Also there maybe one more but for now just those 2. The players pack will consist of multiple disc as it did last year.

1005 rated player in an am event? :confused: rWc3523 :cool:



THe doubles is open to anyone. Or at least it was last year.
-14 sounds about right. Bring it.

One of the best disc golf families around too. If Blair has a consistent weekend I would have to say he would have to be one of the two or three picks to win Intermediate at age 14. And I would pick him to win an Advance title before he hits 18 if he stays Am until then.

There's kind of a 14 year old from around here that I'd almost be willing to put money on to be in the final 9 in Advanced this year...

This debate will always go around and around...

But let me ask you this Williamson:
When are you going to move up to ADV?
When your rating dictates that you must? after you've won an event? after BG?

For most people the answer is probably "when I'm ready". Don't you think you're ready once you won an INT event or two?

(I am still too in consistent in my tournament play to move up - I have a few 930 rated rounds but a lot of 880s. I'm moving up once my tournament and general play levels out.)

I am playing INT at BG this year because I want another run at the same courses as last year. I played like crap...I want to measure my progress over this first year of tournament play.

This chip on my shoulder is based on the fact that at a couple events last year the top finishers were openly bragging that they were going to place high and take all of the loot...and some of these guys already had won an INT event earlier in the year.


As background: I moved up to Advanced having never won an INT event (my record shows a win in `05, but I actually took 2nd and guy ahead of me was DQ for too high a rating).

It is my opinion that you should not move up a division as soon as you've won one event. That is purely inane. To win one event doesn't say anything about your day to day skill, it says more about how good you are on your hottest day. If you, on your hottest day, are only good enough to win INT (which more than 75% of the time seems juuuust good enough for last cash in ADV), then you should not consider yourself done learning at the INT level.

In my opinion the day to move up is the day that, every tournament you go to, you feel as though you're taking top three or four in decent fields in a division. At that point you're officially done learning in the division. The difference between a regularly cashing Advanced player and a regularly cashing Intermediate player is consistency. Once you've developed the consistency to finish right near the top of Intermediate every tournament, then you have nothing left to learn in that division.

Thats when you move up to Advanced. Where it comes down to getting yourself in to narrow your margin of error on every shot. And then again, once you're near the top every tournament in Advanced? You're out of things to learn.

Actually the bagging is worse in Advanced because you get a decent crew of players that are waiting out the year and all that so they can maybe jump into pro making a splash like an AO or a Bennett or a Scott-Wood.

Oh yea I am playin some DUBS for sure. Last year they were on Friday at Keriakes and Lovers, I think. I remember it was raining tho, so we didn't play. I hope that this year both doubles events will be at different times so I can play both. Koontz you in? We will form Team Runner Up.



I am in and team runner up it is if I can convince brian he should play bowling green. It shouldn't be this hard.
I will caddy for you if you caddy for me. I need the practice :D

It is my opinion that you should not move up a division as soon as you've won one event. That is purely inane. To win one event doesn't say anything about your day to day skill, it says more about how good you are on your hottest day. If you, on your hottest day, are only good enough to win INT (which more than 75% of the time seems juuuust good enough for last cash in ADV), then you should not consider yourself done learning at the INT level.

In my opinion the day to move up is the day that, every tournament you go to, you feel as though you're taking top three or four in decent fields in a division. At that point you're officially done learning in the division. The difference between a regularly cashing Advanced player and a regularly cashing Intermediate player is consistency. Once you've developed the consistency to finish right near the top of Intermediate every tournament, then you have nothing left to learn in that division.


Okay, I know that I already said I agreed with someone else about this earlier in this thread; but I think this makes even more sense. :D


sleepy

Is this tourney full yet?

but the players package is worth the entry alone, not to mention four great courses (for advanced at least), the World class players party, blues band, fly mart, food (great wings) and $1 draft courtesy of the KofC and a big screen TV for March Madness junkies



There is also free coffee at the Harley dealership. ..Yes Bowling Green truly does have everything /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Is this tourney full yet?



does BG sell corvettes?

Those are 2 completely different answers. No, the tourney is not full yet, and yes BG does sell corvettes.

we are SHAKE N BAKE!!! He's the Magic Man. Now you see him, now you dont. And I'm El Diablo, the Fighting Chicken. We will come at you like a spider monkey. We're both hopped up on Mountain Dew!



That was enough Ricky Bobby references to make my head explode!



What can I say I wake up in the morning and #$*&$! excellence

Me and my caddy tied the course record last year at lovers. With a -14. You wont beat that and we will be there this year. I'm a lefty with accuarcy and a 450 and he is a 1005 rated righty with a 475 and one of the best roc shot any one has seen.



What makes you think that is the doubles record @ lovers. I think that 40 is the singles record, not the doubles record. I've seen a 17 on the front nine in doubles, but I don't remember their final score.
-14 is ripping, but I don't know if it will hold up in good weather.

Me and my caddy tied the course record last year at lovers. With a -14. You wont beat that and we will be there this year. I'm a lefty with accuarcy and a 450 and he is a 1005 rated righty with a 475 and one of the best roc shot any one has seen.



What makes you think that is the doubles record @ lovers. I think that 40 is the singles record, not the doubles record. I've seen a 17 on the front nine in doubles, but I don't remember their final score.
-14 is ripping, but I don't know if it will hold up in good weather.



Tell em Magic Man. THAT JUST HAPPENED!

I think someone last year shot like 17-18 in double at Lovers. As for singles recond I am not sure what the tournament round is but I have shot -16 there during casual play and might be one other that I know of that has done that.

sorry, that is just what someone told us last year.quote unquote last year. no this year, but last year.

Team runner up will dominate.

Scott White will also dominate at the main event.

Magic Man,

I think we should play doubles this year, and put these children in their place. We were undefeated at doubles against the other teams in the club, so its time to show the world the real Shake N Bake.

El Diablo, The Fighting Chicken

I just updated the list with all that we have recieved so far.

show the world




the world is waiting

Are all players required to wear collared shirts since this is an A-Tier?

Are all players required to wear collared shirts since this is an A-Tier?



I'd be surprised given that at NT events lots of players just wear t-shirts.

Last year at BG there was a guy who didn't even have full sleeves!!

Are all players required to wear collared shirts since this is an A-Tier?


Required to? Probably not.

Should they? Most definitely.


sleepy

We didn't have to last year. I don't think AMs are required to. Of course, when it's cold, I'll be in a sweat shirt. I'll wear a collared shirt underneath if I must! :DrWc3523 :cool:

Are all players required to wear collared shirts since this is an A-Tier?



3.4. Dress Code
A. All competitors and staff are required to wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to wear shoes or
other foot coverings. Players will not be allowed to play in
bare feet. Sandals or slides are allowed.
C. The following dress code for all competitors will be
enforced at all PDGA National Tour and Major Events. The
PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced
at Super Tour and lower tier events, but this decision lies
solely with the Tournament Director:
(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and
tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately
and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance
at all event sites and associated functions.
(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper
chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down,
mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered
collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm
from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as
the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.



According to the PDGA Compitition Manual only NT's and Majors have to and it is "Recomended" to all other lower Tiers. so it is at the descretion of the TD. So at least we don't have to just because it is an A-Tier event

Any word on what courses the advanced men are playing?

Collard shirts are not required, just tastful attire is.

Adv Men should play the same courses they have in the past.
The only question will be what divisions will also fit on the courses with them.

As mentioned before the reson for having pre-registration only was so that I wouldn't have to move a division like I did the adv women last year the night before the event. This year at least everyone will know what courses they will be playing before they get here.

Soooo it looks like the top rated baggers so far this year are:

Jeremy Watts
Edward Palacios
Ziggy Bierekoven

I am picking Bagger Bierekoven for the win. He is looking strong after like 5 wins since Christmas.
But Edward just won his last 2 tourneys, including a win at ZBoaz against a large field, and must be confident coming in to BG.
Jeremy has the near-hometown advantage with much course experience, playing in many BG tournaments this year.
I think Scott White, who is improving, but has not played in any sanctioned event since September, will be a good pick to make the finals.

Who's your pick?

ANd any new info on doubles? I remember last year Sunking had pre-reg up online.

I hope the Advanced Masters play the same courses as last year. rWc3523 :cool:

I pick Gaige McNutt to do very well. Last sactioned loss was the Hambrick last July. He has been playing unsactioned pro events all winter and has only missed cashing once. He won junior worlds by nine over the hometown favorite and his most recent win (in september) was by 9 or 10. And there are only two people currently signed up that have a higher rating than him.

I guess I overlooked the 2 players in the 970's.
Brian Wease and Brandon Westermann.

My pick is still Ziggy.

I guess I overlooked the 2 players in the 970's.
Brian Wease and Brandon Westermann.

My pick is still Ziggy.



As long as there are no rivers of freezing water to fall into, I am certain that he will do fine...

:D:D:D

I guess I overlooked the 2 players in the 970's.
Brian Wease and Brandon Westermann.

My pick is still Ziggy.



As long as there are no rivers of freezing water to fall into, I am certain that he will do fine...

:D:D:D



It should be warm down south with no frozen rivers, right? Then my pick is Ziggy too. :D

I wish it was warm right. It's cold, and wet at the moment.

Every year people pick someone to win and every year someone else wins. I just sit back and laugh. I can wait to play again I played every course blind last year and played alright except for at White.

Believe me, it'll be a local again. And his name is Tim Knaul. He plays everyday and Wil (last years winner) said at our last meeting the only reason he won was because Tim didnt play.

Dustin fee is also a 962. He has a great putter unless it is like a 20footer. I have personally seen him miss like 20 putts within 20 and like twice as much out of 20. The 14 year old wonder boy will do good. I am coming back with vengence also. I did great at every course, but lovers. The last round was way too windy and rainy.

I did horrible at every course but white park and I was still mad with the +1 I shot there in that little rain we got.

I missed Dustin on the list too. He is solid, I played with him at Lover's last year. He will definately make the finals if he plays right.

Every year people pick someone to win and every year someone else wins. I just sit back and laugh. I can wait to play again I played every course blind last year and played alright except for at White.


I won't pick Bagger (I love when nicknames I make up stick) Bierekoven to win... but I will say that judging by how he's played it is going to take 1000 rated golf average to win. That means 2.5 strokes better for the entirety of the main rounds.

Why wouldnt some of the 950 and above guys not play in Pro tourneys, at least local ones??

Because you can make money more easily (rather, you don't have to shoot as well) by winning and selling plastic.

Probably because it costs $125 to enter and only 2 people below 980 cashed last year and if they want to maintain am status they would have to turn whatever they won down anyways.

Because they want to win BG AMs!!

So this will be my first trip to BG, What is the night life like. Is there a players party, Fly Mart, On your own?

Scott

Friday night: check in. after that your on your own.
saturday: players party with fly mart. always a good time.

the hooters near lovers is always fun, just dont take our motorcycle parking.

: ) :

*remembers the pizza at the players party*

Wait, let me fix that...

*remembers hearing the word pizza, seeing a cloud of dust, and then a table in shambles*

Yeah, thats more like it. I think the Wings table was even worse, but I was in the middle of the crowd so I don't know what it looked like from the outside. ;)

My advice, get there early and be ready to pounce! :D

rWc3523 :cool:

Or just go to White Castle (can't get it here in Knoxville) and stop down at Greenwoods ( I think that is the right name) for a great beer selection.

This is recommended as I too failed to realize that the players party food would be gone instantly. No complaint here, just a statement. Also, the room will be LOUD. For most people this will probably not be a problem, but if you have sensitive ears, bring some ear plugs. *makes note*

You can get lots of stuff at the flymart... but was there any personal trading going on? I always like swapping discs.

I'm sure there will be some swapping. I didn't bring anything to purpously swap, but I did swap a heavy tourney Wraith for a lighter one. And we stayed at the Motel 6 next door to the White Castle and ate their frequently. And the beer store down the road had the BEST selection of beer I'd ever seen. Thought I'd died and went to heaven. Too bad I didn't have more money. Will be prepared this year. rWc3523 :cool:

Sante Fe has really good fajitas. It's next to the Baymont across the highway from the Best Western.

faJITas! mmm

I think me and my brother are staying at the Microtell inn, no clue where it is though.

Is it the end of March yet? :D


sleepy

does anyone know if they will have any of the Bowling green fundraiser buzz's at the tourney? i want one bad but there is no way in hell i am paying $8.50 in shipping to get something shipped that should be no more than $4.50.

I will sell you mine for $25.00 and that includes free shipping. I have been practicing skip shots in the parking lot with it but most of the artwork is still on it.

We should have some of the buzz's available, I just don't know how many. Yeah $8+ is a little steep for shipping I will contact them and see why it is so much and if that is what they normally charge.

For all those wondering about entries - I will update again this weekend. Please be patient it takes sometime for the credit card ones to go through and then come to me. Until we get to 400+ you shouldn't have to worry about being in the 1st 500. Once we get closer to the tournament I will update them a little more often but for now once a week it will be.

thanks for the info larry.

Vern,

dream on homie

Sweeet. I cannot wait....to caddy. Any word on the doubles yet? That would be great if someone hosted a 11am/noon doubles at one course then a 4/5/6pm doubles at another course on Friday. Thanks Larry!

yo big wave i cant wait to hear what u got to say about bowling green after u play it man.

No confirmed times or formats yet - will post when I know.

Have confirmed that Nate Doss will be coming in for a demo to be done in between one of the doubles round. Will post that as well as soon as it is ironed out.

SWEEEET

thanks

i'm in...

Does anyone know which courses the Advanced Women will be playing this year?

Does anyone know which courses the Advanced Women will be playing this year?



All of this will be sorted out once pre-registration closes and Larry has an idea of total numbers.
The date for this is likely to be the Monday before the tournament.

I dont know how many times we have to say this, but courses for the divisions WILL NOT BE POSTED UNTIL AFTER PRE-REGISTRATION ENDS MARCH 25.

Is there going to be an update on the pre-reg list soon? I want to make sure our KZOO guys got in.
Thanks!

I just updated the list - these are only the online registers. I haven't received an updated one from our treasurer yet for the mail ones. Will get them updated by next weekend unless we get closer to the magic 500.

Larry
Is there anyway you could update it earlier. I send my money in over a week ago and would like to know if you got it. I have already had a problem with the mail this year when it took 3 weeks to get from NorCal to Arizona.
Thanx
Sorry if it causes any problems.

Has here been any information posted about the cost of the host hotel(s). rWc3523 :cool:

Has here been any information posted about the cost of the host hotel(s). rWc3523 :cool:



You will need to call Best Western. Their number is 270-343-2937. Tell them you're coming down for the tournament, and they should give you the rate.

Do you know what time roughly the event normally ends, I'm trying to decide if I need to book an extra night.

Do you know what time roughly the event normally ends, I'm trying to decide if I need to book an extra night.



I didn't cash last year. I was out of there by 4pm.

The rate for the hotel is $55 + tax , you have till March 1st to get this rate after that the rate goes up to $89 a night.

Also if you don't make the final 9 or win an award you could be out of there sometime after about 1:30 or so. Other than that it will be closer to 4-5 depending on everything.

I will try and update before this weekend, but for those that are worrying we aren't close to the 500 yet and there is still plenty of time to get your money here.

Is there a way I can reserve a room online? If not, I can call them. Is there a code or something, or is just mentioning the tournament good enough? Thanks a bunch. Looking forward to my third try at cashing! :DrWc3523 :cool:

You can't book online to my knowledge... and you want to call the number off the flyer on the bgdg.org page. I didn't have much luck with the number I got from other websites. They just asked if I was with Disc Golf and that was it.

Thanks Pirate! aaarrrrghhhh! :D rWc3523 :cool:

Wow! No action here at all? :eek: Thanks, Larry, Pirate, etc. Got a room at the host hotel! $55 a night is sweet, considering the prices of the other places I checked online. I think we paid $45 a night last year at the Motel Six, but the dude made my son stop putting outside. :mad:I think it's worth $20 more to stay where the action is (and they were putting outside!) Thanks again. Next step is to actually register for the event. Will wait until it hits 400 ;)... or when I get paid again! :DrWc3523 :cool:

bump

The newest updates are in.
400+ people!!!!
So excited...I might just leave tomorrow! :eek: :D

Me and al already have a room at the host hotel booked but now its 400+ i am gonna have to register.

is there a website that has pictures of the courses?

Me and al already have a room at the host hotel booked but now its 400+ i am gonna have to register.



I'll make sure to catch up with you guys, Dave. I've got a firebird burning a hole in my pocket for you. ;)

What is going to be in the players packages for the first 500 to pre-register, and for the ones after the first 500? I've searched for a half-hour now, and have not had any luck. There are 397 pre-registered that are posted to date, and I just did the title-disc thing today. What are the chances that I am in the first 500?

The reason I'm asking is because I hope to do well, but considering the number of PRO level Advanced players that will be competing that weekend...getting the primary players package is my hope!

Hey don't feel bad about those rated higher...There is a guy in the Advanced Masters who is rated above 960!!

My goal is to be in the top 10. (and to beat Russ!!) LOL

Can't wait to get back to Blowing Green. I have not played there for a couple of years and am so looking forward to it!!

See you guys at the end of March!!

First of all ratings are just numbers of consistancy. Anyone can have their best weekend of golf ever or just hit one lucky putt. And win bowling green.
Also in Am1 there are 969,972,973, and 980 rated players. Its just means that they practice more and are more consistant. or just play their home courses and do good or just ams for life. :Dj/k
Dont worry about numbers, just play your game and practice putting. Everything else will come. Good luck :cool:

I will try and update the list before the weekend but with what I have we will be at 500 by then. I know I got 75 from the online and 20+ from the mail. I will make sure and update and then will post the ones that made it in the first 500 on the club website www.bgdg.org (http://www.bgdg.org) so you can see if you made it.

Players packs: These are the ones confirmed a couple we are waiting to hope for something nice or new.
Discraft - FLK - supercolor surge - 2nd image on website.
DGA - Rogue
Innova - ??? will let you know once I have a confirmation
Gateway - ??? will let you know.

All Adv divisions will receive 4 disc and shirt and mini or two.
All Am divisions will receive 3 disc and shirt and mini or two.

As we always do we will still give a disc or two to all above the 500.

Just remember it is pre-registration only - there will be no Friday or Saturday signups - so please don't come expecting in - may have some room for some help if you do. :)

Mike,
Yep. Looks like the Georgia Amnesty Train is pulling into BG. Some may get run over.

The GM's looked like a small field, so I signed up to play with you young fellas. Try to keep up.

Looking forward to seeing you.
Ron Pittman

Fresh meat! Fresh meat! :D
More fun with us anyway, Ron!

And Mikey, I'm due for a decent finish up there! After all, I am the reigning Southern Nationals Advanced Master Champion! :p ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I was only about 16 strokes from 10th place last year. So I need to improve four strokes per round. C-y'all there! rWc3523 :cool:

are keriakes and lovers lane part of the tournament this year?
where can you find pictures of the courses? thanks

Thanks for the updates, Larry!

Do you think you can post a bigger picture of that FLX Stamp? It wouldn't enlarge it on the website.

Thanks!

Here you go.
http://bgdg.org/SuperColor_Bowling_rev.jpg

wow if we are getting the full color discs in the players pack that is unreal. man this month can not go by fast enough!!

sweet inncolor!

just registered :cool:

It doesn't matter to me, but in the picture the supercolor is a Buzz, while in an earlier post you said it would be a Surge. Are you going to have both?

It is a FLX Surge - we were going to do the buzz if the surge wasn't available.
Innova just confirmed - it will be the newly (or to be newly) released: dx ontario rock

Innova just confirmed - it will be the newly (or to be newly) released: dx ontario rock


:eek:
/me faints


sleepy

Larry - A friend of mine is pre-registered (Johnny Garland), but for some reason is signed up in the 10 and under division. He wants to play in the 19 and under division, but there doesn't seem to be one. Could you please change his division to AM2? Thanks for the players package update, and for your time and attention to Johnny's request to get his division updated.

Now I'm really going to be bummed if I registered too late to get the players pack! :mad: I can't believe this thing's going to hit 500 players more than three weeks out! Ontario Rocs!! :)

rWc3523 :cool:

I've got an Ontario roc for trade after March 30 th never thrown...don't know the color or weight yet.

I've got an Ontario roc for trade after March 30 th never thrown...don't know the color or weight yet.



Haha, I was thinking the same thing.

I've got an Ontario roc for trade after March 30 th never thrown...don't know the color or weight yet.



180g and white is probably a safe bet.

Is there is a deadline for switching divisions?

I've got an Ontario roc for trade after March 30 th never thrown...don't know the color or weight yet.



180g and white is probably a safe bet.



you have no idea how much i hope you are right

You can trade 'em to me. I'll take all the Rocs I can get 'cause I probably missed out on the player's pack! :D rWc3523

I would also be willing to trade for them as well

Is there is a deadline for switching divisions?


We would like to know as soon as possible. If there is additional money involved then we will need that before we let you switch divisions. After pools are posted we may allow movement provided it doesn't change the divisional (pool) groupings of the event..

Larry,
Do you know when you hit the 500 mark? I registered online on Friday Feb 23, and was wanting to know if I get the main pack. I assume that at the next update there will be well over 500, so that really isn't an indicator as to who is pre 500 and post 500.
Thanks,
Jon

Do we know yet what discs will be sold with the tournament stamp? I need to replace some discs but want to buy them at BG rather than from eBay!

Thanks,
Mike

THE 2007 ELK CREEK CLASSIC
Appomattox, VA
PDGA B-TIER AM ONLY
LABOR DAY WEEKEND
SEPTEMBER 1&2, 2007

The best alternative for AMS to a Labor Day weekend without PAW PAW.

Divisions: Advanced Men, Advanced Women, Advanced Men Masters & Intermediate Men.Entry Fees: $50 for all Mens Divisions and $40 for Women. All PDGA members receive a $5 discount. All division get a players package.

All players whose registration is received by July 31, 2007 will be entered in a raffle for a FREE BASKET.

Registration starts at 8:30 and ends at 9:15. Players meeting at 9:30 and the first round will start at 10:00. Three rounds for all divisions. The Sunday round will start at 9:00.

At least two division winners will win a basket. There will also be CTP, Putting, and Distance competitions.

Registration info to follow shortly.

I updated the list, there are still another 30 I think to enter so if you don't see your name don't worry yet. You will notice I left 3 off because I have 1-2 decrepencies to check out before I post the final 1st 500. I will update the full list as soon as I have these checked out which I hope will be tomorrow.

As for disc with tournament stamp - The 2 stamps on our website are for special disc. We will have some custom disc from Innova, Discraft, DGA, and Gateway available to purchase on Friday night at check-in.

Here you go.
http://bgdg.org/SuperColor_Bowling_rev.jpg



That's hot, Larry. Very Nice.
Ontarios, huh? This whole thing is just getting better and better! :D

The new update is up, there's only 497, so if you're on there you're in!

Hey Larry, I just need to call your attention to a mistake on a Pre-Reg list. There are 2 people listed under Advanced named nick fyock. But if you click the 2nd nick fyock it comes up as Deborah Burdick. I think you'll need to fix this ASAP.

JD

Hey Larry, I just need to call your attention to a mistake on a Pre-Reg list. There are 2 people listed under Advanced named nick fyock. But if you click the 2nd nick fyock it comes up as Deborah Burdick. I think you'll need to fix this ASAP.

JD



Larry,
Also you have Jim Keenen as being PDGA# 915 from New York. He is from St Louis and that is his rating not his PDGA number.

Take a look at Nick Fest as well. It seems his PDGA number was entered incorrectly, as he links to Olive Bolander, an FA2 from New Mexico.

So those of us who missed being in the first 500 to register receive what? Is there a possibility of getting the real player's package if enough people drop out? Just hoping! rWc3523 :cool:

I just updated the list. I fixed most of the errors. I didn't catch fest but will fix in when I update again later day or tomorrow. All these are from the middle to the end of last week including snail mail. I know there are some more from the weekend coming but haven't got them just yet.

To see if you are in the 1st 500, go to www.bgdg.org (http://www.bgdg.org) and click the link that is in the middle of the page where is says "here is the list".

Those above 500 will get something but not sure what it will be and will probably vary between one player to the next.

I still have 4 I think to put in the 1st 500 but have a couple of things to still check out. If someone drops then the next player in line will move up.

dang, i had to have been close to the first 500..do you mean that those that arent in the first 500 will get something different?

Hey Larry...
After a spirited debate on the frozen 16th green yesterday, I had to ask you a question.
Is there a dress code for the tourney? My faction thought Am A-Tiers required collared shirts. The slackers wanted t-shirts.
Thanks!

This already came up...


Collard shirts are not required, just tastful attire is.

Adv Men should play the same courses they have in the past.
The only question will be what divisions will also fit on the courses with them.

As mentioned before the reson for having pre-registration only was so that I wouldn't have to move a division like I did the adv women last year the night before the event. This year at least everyone will know what courses they will be playing before they get here.

dang, i had to have been close to the first 500..do you mean that those that arent in the first 500 will get something different?



I'll be glad to sell some of my discs to you Dana :D

Yeah, I'm bummed about the PP deal. I just didn't have the money. Of course, had to renew our PDGA fees at $144 just to play a couple of events this year. I'm in the hole almost $250 and haven't left town yet. Hard to believe over three weeks out and over 500 players already. Maybe 30 folks will back out! :D:D;) rWc3523 :cool:

WOW! :eek: This event is 24 days away and has <font color="red"> 571 </font> people! Amazing! :) Now, since I'm not receiving a players pack, I'll be glad to accept any unwanted discs ;), especially Rocs! :DI'll bring stuff to trade, but what to bring? :DHonestly, I'm really looking forward to this one! And 58 Advanced masters. No 40th finish for me this year! Look out reggaB! ;) rWc3523 :cool:

Not sure if this has been posted before, but the 20% who can qualify for the USADGC is no longer capped at 20 players. 20% of ~260 in Advanced (as of now) is 52 players. Sweet.

Now, since I'm not receiving a players pack, I'll be glad to accept any unwanted discs ;), especially Rocs! :DI'll bring stuff to trade, but what to bring? :D



Buzzzzzzzzzzzzz FLX, ESP, or anything else for that matter

hahahaha, the guy who starts the thread about the tournament doesn't get his entry in time to get a player pack. priceless.

hey larry, can i get something special for helping you get everyone else to register earlier?

: ) :

LOL! I feel your pain, Friar! :DI made it the last two years, but thought I would have more time. Alas, we're left out in the cold! :( Guess I'll have to settle for the leftover DGA stuff.

dsglfgeo, I doubt we'll have much FLX stuff left over from our tournament, but I'll try! ;) I might have a custom stamped SNAC ESP pulse I could part with! I have a lot of Star stuff, TLs, valks, Wraiths, teebirds and such. rWc3523 :cool:

From now till march 31 everyone better start putting. Period!!!

From now till march 31 everyone better start putting. Period!!!



If you put it that way, I'm months ahead of the game!

58 Advanced masters. No 40th finish for me this year! Look out reggaB! ;) rWc3523 :cool:



Bring your "A" game if you plan on being in my group Mr Corey!! LOL... I am just looking forward to actually playing, this will be my first tourney of the year!! Don't get to play much with my boys playing so many sports.

Look forward to seeing you in Bowling Green.

I plan to :DI'm tired of being mired on the 10th card! Been playing decent lately. Just gotta avoid those blowup holes, especially near the end of the round! :p rWc3523

Russ I'm sure we can work something out with the PP I'm going to be getting. Heck I don't even know what I did with the disc from last year except the Element-x.

I just sign up for the Pro weekend, this is my first time there can you tell me the courses that the pro masters are gonna play, THANKS!!!

Sounds good Justin. Are you guys at the host hotel again? We're there this time. rWc3523 :cool:

I just sign up for the Pro weekend, this is my first time there can you tell me the courses that the pro masters are gonna play, THANKS!!!



All pros play Hobson Grove, Keriakes, Lover's Lane and Ephram White.

Thanks :cool:

Any details on the doubles yet? A Friday schedule where players could play both a Maceman and Sunking dubs on the same day would be sweet. Something like: Noon at one course, 4pm at another. I would think at 600+ competitors for the actual tourny, people would be turned away for both rounds.

DS we have a doubles team that will take team runner up down!!

I'm telling you man, dont mess with Shake n Bake!!!

If my caddy comes down with me. I'll make a nice bet also.

We already have a worlds doubles title together...

oooooo....Big baller

oooooo....Big baller



Are you not coming to BG this year?

I was going to but I decided to skip BG AM and go to a tournament about 50 mile's from my house and two week's later hit BG NT. ;)

now that I finally reg'd for this monster I'm keen to see an update as to how many its up to- biggest field Ive played in fo shiz...
shout out to others in the KOA krew (heard its DG exclusive that wknd), it might be cheaper but at least its less comfortable- its only gonna make us stronger and ready for some birdie huntin!
~psyched!~

We already have a worlds doubles title together...



You mean junior doubles title. :D

But really, I hope the 2 doubles events are at different times so that Team Runner Up can win them both.

I just updated the list with all we have currently. If you don't see your name give it a couple of days it may be still being processed. Please keep your eyes on board and are website. With the numbers that are growing we may have to closed registration before the 25th.

628!!!

BTW, this name looks familiar.

Marc Estenfelder #13425
Erlanger, KY, USA

Didn't he win it two years ago?

Yep. Marc won it in 2005 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4632)

Came back last year - didnt win it.
This year? we shall see..

I believe you're correct. Guess playing in Open wasn't much fun! Doesn't anyone move UP in the PDGA? :confused:

rWc3523 :cool:

WoW all of those players and only one from the great state of Oklahoma.

Be interesting to see what courses the Advanced Masters play huh Russ??

With so many Advanced it looks like they will be taking up 4 courses almost by theirselves.

Unless they cut-off the field soon, they will not be able to play the Advanced and Advanced Masters on the same courses.

Should be interesting.

We already have a worlds doubles title together...



You mean junior doubles title. :D

But really, I hope the 2 doubles events are at different times so that Team Runner Up can win them both.



Two times in the same day!! O'laaaa

reggaB, we could end up like my wife and son last year, playing four courses they had never seen before! At least we would have advance notice, but I'm still not positive about getting up there Friday with enough time to play! And I know I won't be playing four courses in one day! One of them is a looooong way from Bowling Green proper! I'd really be bummed (and I guess about 63 other advanced masters, women and grandmasters would as well) about playing the other four courses. That basically reserves the four best courses for the advanced players. But I guess there's not much else they can do, either. Guess we'll find out soon enough! rWc3523 :cool:

Here's my quick math:

289 Advanced
65 Adv Masters
354 Total

5 players per tee x 18 holes x 4 courses = 360

I guess we know where people are playing now!!

As long as only five more advanced/advanced masters sign up. :D
If a boat load of advanced players come in, where do you think the advanced master will play then? :confused:

If a boat load of advanced players come in, where do you think the advanced master will play then? :confused:


Advanced Masters can always step up and play Advanced if they want to play the better courses, and the best courses should be used for the Advanced division.

This is coming from a player who plays Advanced Masters on occasion. :)

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Advanced Masters can always step up and play Advanced if they want to play the better courses, and the best courses should be used for the Advanced division.


I hear you on that one Rhett! Hopefully they will let us know early enough so I can switch divisions before I get there.

I do not want to cause more work for the TD.

This is coming from a player who plays Advanced Masters on occasion. :)

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Sure, Rhett, I can also beat myself in the head with a hammer, but I'd rather not : :D;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I was thinking of a division more in line with my puny little 913 rating! :p I'm only three years away from grandmasters! :) rWc3523 :cool:

The ADV Women should play the main 4 before the ADV Masters. They're playing the highest female am division. Plus their situation was mishandled last year.

On behalf of myself and the rest of "The Others" (you know who you are) THANK YOU HILLTOPPER. Now, here's to getting ready to play the alternate-but-equally-good-but-we're-sure-not-going-to-make-the-Adv.-Men-play-em courses!

Don't worry. Once the pools are decided then its a done deal. Larry will have a week to put them together so there shouldnt be any worry of a switch. BUT if you ask really nicely I'm sure Larry will put you all on the 4 main courses.

On behalf of myself and the rest of "The Others" (you know who you are) THANK YOU HILLTOPPER. Now, here's to getting ready to play the alternate-but-equally-good-but-we're-sure-not-going-to-make-the-Adv.-Men-play-em courses!



My feelings exactely. I've got my fingers crossed that the Advanced women get to test themselves against the same courses that the Advanced Men get to. After all, they are the top Amateur women that this sport has to offer, at the biggest Amateur weekend tournament in the world.

Nah....I used up all my "nice" years ago. ;) I'll stick with sarcasm and wit. I will say there was a good thing about last year and playing the "Alternate 4" (sounds like the title of a really crappy Sci-Fi movie). That's 4 courses I've played that my husband hasn't! :D

Larry
Is there anyway that I could play in the same Adv group as Ben Boylan.
Thanx
Sean Currier

Larry, can you elaborate a bit on the doubles contests. I have read that there are two, but don't know what they are. Sheila and I are kinda hoping that you have a mixed doubles division?

Just to give a status update:
With current numbers the women should be with the adv men unless that division gets to big to fit on the main 4 with the women. The masters will not play the main 4 courses as their numbers are to high to go with the adv men.

As for the main 4 - due to input from here and emails this year and last year more than likely there will be at least 1 course of the alternate 4 used for the adv men. This means the "other" divisions will get to play at least one of the old main 4.

As for doubles I am still waiting for them to give me info - I know maceman and sunking will each have a round of doubles ( random draw ) going on. One will be in the morning the other in the afternoon.

I may have one more sponsor interested in that as well so will post as soon as I know.

As always please email me with any questions or comments.
lbledsoejr@alltel.net

As for doubles I am still waiting for them to give me info - I know maceman and sunking will each have a round of doubles ( random draw ) going on. One will be in the morning the other in the afternoon.




Thanks for the update. I will be playing both.

Oh well! :( Thanks for letting us know ahead of time, Larry. Maybe I can get up there and play a couple of those "alternate" courses before Saturday. :p Since there's a chance we advanced masters (and I intend on staying in advanced masters) will play ONE of the original four courses, I'm putting in a vote for LOVERS LANE :) as the one we old guys get to play. Please, don't put us on White Park! It's a great course, but If we're only getting to play one, at least let it be a shorter one! This is just my opinion ;) Thanks for running the event! rWc3523 :cool:

Man!! I really wanted a chance to play the same courses as last year. Since it was my first year down there and my first year of playing tournys, I want a little redemption!!

Man!! I really wanted a chance to play the same courses as last year. Since it was my first year down there and my first year of playing tournys, I want a little redemption!!



That is exactly why I am playing INT again. BG 2006 was my first tournament and my opening round/day was terrible. I want another shot at those courses.

Larry, thank you. Changing up the courses that the divisions play is really what I was hoping to see this year. I think what you are discussing doing is the best approach for trying to satisfy the masses. Willingness to adapt is what keeps us going and you have been going strong for some time now. Keep it up, your work is not going unnoticed and is appreicated.

Oh sweet, another course to notch on my belt.
Hopefully not Basil..

I'll be interested in seeing what course gets bumped off the Adv roster.

I'm voting for White Park.

As long as I am on here posting and being all demanding I wanted to check on a request I made during registration.

Please have Jeff Haydel (#22017) and Josh Lenox (#21049) in the same pool as they will be sharing a vehicle. They are both registered for Adv. Men. I also requested Marla Lenox (#21048) and Judy Haydel (#22084) be in the same pool, but I feel confident that one won't be a problem. :)

Jeff and Josh, disc golf's "Odd Couple"! ;) :D

rWc3523

Please let the advanced ams play Franklin!!!!!

never been, should be fun
hope the weather's good- we're at the KOA, heh...
http://www.oakalleyplantation.com/calendar/christmas+bonfire/img/bonfire.jpg
thought maybe a cutNpaste of course info would be helpful for BG n00bs like me...
you konw the deal on the last 3 numbers(sub3,3-4,4+)
don't know if these write-ups are current or if I missed any
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Basil Griffin Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101

Course Established: 2001 Record Last Modified: 2005-09-30 22:07:49
Description: Slight elevation, 5 holes around water, 5 in tall woods, 8 over mostly open mowed grass.
Holes: 18 DISCatcher Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 5380
Alternate Course Length: 6230

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2
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Hobson Grove Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101

Course Established: 1978 Record Last Modified: 2006-06-08 20:17:18
Description: Circles Hobson House historical museum. Tall hardwoods with mostly short, tight fairways. Weeds and poison ivy. Poor signs. Concession stand and restrooms at ball golf clubhouse.
Holes: 18 Mach3 Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 4400
Alternate Course Length: N/A

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Kereiakes Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101

Course Established: 1983 Record Last Modified: 2005-05-06 22:41:08
Description: Tall grass surrounds fairly open, mowed fairways defined with many tall cedars. Holes go up and down valley. Restrooms at the Black Barn.
Holes: 18 Mach2 Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 5500
Alternate Course Length: N/A

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Lovers Lane Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42103

Course Established: 1997 Record Last Modified: 2006-06-08 20:16:02
Description: A few hills with mature trees on half of the course. Wind can be a major factor. Pavilion and BBQ at hole 1. Deep grass.
Holes: 18 DISCatcher Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 6000
Alternate Course Length: N/A

4
10
4
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Preston Miller Water Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42104

Course Established: 2002 Record Last Modified: 2005-09-30 22:07:28
Description: Short, with longer pro tees, partly mowed grass, mostly tight tall woods. Some elevation, large spring, shelter and restrooms.
Holes: 9 Mach1 Tee Type: Natural


Course Length: 1710
Alternate Course Length: 2530

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2
1
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White Park
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101

Course Established: 2000 Record Last Modified: 2007-01-20 13:30:57
Description: Fairly open with some elevation and several strategic large trees. Grass well-mowed in season. Unique sand traps on #3. Benches and trashcans by tee. 80 acres with walking paths devoted to disc golf. 11 holes deuceable despite the length.
Holes: 18 Mach3 Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 7500
Alternate Course Length: N/A

1
10
7
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Franklin - Simpson DGC
Franklin, Kentucky 42134

Course Established: 2005 Record Last Modified: 2005-03-15 07:51:52
Description: Fairly open gently rolling hills in a windy well-kept park. Balanced design with looping nines. River in play on 4 holes. Some wooded holes with wide mown fairways, some tight holes near the river, and a few long downhills. Par 64.
Holes: 18 Chainstar Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 6262
Alternate Course Length: 8198

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6
5
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Natcher Elementary
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101

Course Established: 2005 Record Last Modified: 2005-06-12 11:32:20
Description: Beautifully manicured grass and a good mix of trees. Cement pavers for tee markers. Please park in paved lot. No play during school hours.
Holes: 9 Mach2 Tee Type: Grass


Course Length: 1775
Alternate Course Length: N/A

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0
0

http://www.bgdg.org/images/edmonson_r1_c1.gif
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Simpson County Schools DGC
Franklin, Kentucky 42134

Course Established: 2004 Record Last Modified: 2006-04-10 15:17:09
Description: Holes 1-3 fairly open, 4-9 in mature woods. Rec tees. Water in play on #9.
Holes: 9 DISCatcher Tee Type: Natural


Course Length: 2525
Alternate Course Length: 1920

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5
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Chalybeate Springs Sports Complex
Brownsville, Kentucky 42210

Course Established: 2004 Record Last Modified: 2005-08-31 08:29:12
Description: Mix of open and tightly wooded with creek and bluffs in play. Walking trail OB for pro layout. Just 10 miles from Mammoth Cave National Park.
Holes: 18 DISCatcher Tee Type: Concrete


Course Length: 4045
Alternate Course Length: N/A

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If you switch one of the courses for the Adv. division you should do it for the NT weekend too. I played in the Adv division with a rating in the 880's so that I could play the harder courses. I too want redemption on all of the courses I played last year. Also, Adv men and Adv. women should get to play the hardest courses because these are the only divisions not protected by age or rating which means EVERYONE can play these courses if the step up to the top AM divisions.

Please let the advanced ams play Franklin!!!!!



If the ams do indeed get franklin.. we need to knock off White Park - that would be like 30 miles away from each other

Knowing that the tendency to use White park as the awards ceremony and final nine means the ADV players prolly gonna use White park and that means Chalybeate Springs with the OB in effect..

Which means.. one other course will be knocked off. It better not be Keriakes!!

I'm coming down to play Keriakes.

I to am coming to get revenage on the four courses that we played last year. Dont change it cause a bunch of people are crying. Leave it the way it way dont change something that isnt broke.

I to am coming to get revenage on the four courses that we played last year. Dont change it cause a bunch of people are crying. Leave it the way it way dont change something that isnt broke.



Dont change and if you do. Take lovers away. Definately not whites or Kereiakes.

personally I am quite indifferent towards the course distribution. I enjoyed myself last year on the intermediate courses, and I felt that they were a solid set with good variety. plus the length and difficulty was right for the top guys (which wasn't me... :( )

anyway what I wanted to say is if you do change the courses keep the juniors in mind... I think it would be a big mistake to try and put them on something as long as White. You would be better putting them on a shorter course.

my $.02

PLEASE DONT CHANGE IT

Dont change and if you do. Take lovers away. Definately not whites or Kereiakes.



I AGREE! I would hope we (Advanced) would play the TOUGHEST courses. Lover's would be my choice to take away. Are the other courses just as good ?

Jeff and Josh, disc golf's "Odd Couple"! ;) :D

rWc3523



Flitter Russ, does that mean you think I'm Felix? Why can't you refer to us as something cooler like Jerry and George, or Fry and Bender, or even Turner and Hooch! Wait none of those were cool either. How about we go old school and say Josh and Jeff, disc golf's Odysseus and Achilles? Homer could kick Neil Simon's butt any day.

Josh

Please let the advanced ams play Franklin!!!!!



If the ams do indeed get franklin.. we need to knock off White Park - that would be like 30 miles away from each other

Knowing that the tendency to use White park as the awards ceremony and final nine means the ADV players prolly gonna use White park and that means Chalybeate Springs with the OB in effect..

Which means.. one other course will be knocked off. It better not be Keriakes!!

I'm coming down to play Keriakes.



Franklin was over 40 miles away from Chalybeate last year and that somehow worked out. White is by far the most Advanced to Pro course Bowling Green has to offer. Some of the Intermediate men and Jr.s and Intermediate women can't reach some of the holes in 4 full fledged straight drives from the tee pad. White should be the last course to be sent down to the Intermediates. Personally I had rather play White than Hobson because I can get out to over 300', but have trouble with accuracy so I actually do better on White than Hobson but anyone with any honesty would say that Lovers would be a better fit for Intermediate than White. And if it is Franklin that is going to Advance it is just a longer more challenging Lovers so the switch wouldn't be much difference.

i vote for lovers to be taken away if its a MUST i loved all 4 of them from last year though.

IMO White should be the course to go if AM1 loses one. That course isn't challenging enough.

You must have a cannon arm because according to the 2006 SSA's, White was the hardest (mean of 52.61) of the four AMI courses, and yes for all four pools. On the other hand, Lovers was the easiest (mean of 47.61) for the advanced players.

Well this is one way to get a lot of chatter. I have taken input as mentioned from last year's players and from players coming this year and here on the board. No matter what is done some will be unhappy. I have figured it is best to try and please the masses but sometimes it comes out about the same. Anway as for the course change. I am doing it for a couple of reasons:
1. it gives all divisions one course that is a little further to drive than others
2. it gives the so called other divisions a chance to play a course they wouldn't before

As for comparing it to the NT there is no comparing if we didn't have the numbers we wouldn't be using the other courses and if the NT could get this big then we would use them as we are now.

The course that will be moving will be Lovers for Franklin. For those that want to play the hardest then we are doing that now for those that want even driving arrangements we have a better split as well.

I have confirmation of another course sponsor and will be posting that info real soon. They will be 2 rounds of doubles on Thursday and a radar and driving distance contest on Friday.

I also have made arrangments to have food for all at the players party. Last year the idea was to have appetizers not to feed everyone and that was the problem. Players were taking more than we expected. This year we will have BBQ sandwiches, coleslaw and baked beans. Everyone should be able to have a plate and that is the goal.

Will update more info as I get it.

Ah, you know what, I forgot about the OB at White. But I still think Keriakes, maybe even Hobson are tougher courses.

So, Lovers is moved, huh? That was my worst round last year :DI'll have to check into this Franklin course.

Thanks Larry. At least I'll get to play one of my favorites :D Now to see how many of my fellow advanced masters bail to Advanced! I'm staying put. ;) rWc3523 :cool:

Can you please tell us what course the am2 women will be playing.

Thanks

i joined advanced to play the better courses. It's funny that Franklin
was the only good course I played last year in the intermediate division.
This is going to be a fun event. I hope not too many people complain.

I am not sure where they will play just yet. I really do need to get final numbers before I can confirm where everyone will play.

Hobson Grove will be sponsored by Poorboydiscs.com they will be having the following events:
Thursday:
Doubles at 12 noon (11-12 noon registration) and at 5pm (4pm-5pm registration)
$20 per team bring your partner (one division, open to all)
100% payout in merchandise

Radar Gun all day
$2 per throw or 3 for $5

Friday:
Distance Competition 9am-5pm
Winner gets a new Innova discatcher pro basket awarded at players party $5 for 3 throws, unlimited chances

Radar Gun all day
$2 per throw or 3 for $5

Larry, are Maceman and Sunking planning on holding doubles on Friday? Or will there only be doubles on Thursday?

Thanks for listening to the players, I think you made a good choice in course changes. I agree that Advanced Men and Advanced Women should play the most challenging courses, as they are the top amateur divisions.

You will like Franklin it is a really nice course. Elevation, water, a little OB. It is tough but fair and probably my third favorite in the area to play.

So lets see...

The 8 courses we will play are as follows:
Kereiakes
White
Hobson Grove
Franklin
Lovers Lane
Basil Griffin
Chalybeate Springs (Edmonson)
Preston Miller

If the Advanced and whoever they are put with play these 4:
Kereiakes
White
Hobson Grove
Franklin

That means the rest would be playing these 4:
Lovers Lane
Basil Griffin
Chalybeate Springs
Preston Miller

WOW !! I have TD'd events before, but my hat is off to Larry and his crew!! This is a huge undertaking and I appreciate all you guys are doing to keep this a GREAT event!!

I do not care what courses I end up playing as the rest of my division will be playing the same courses.

For those who know these courses, can you tell me anything about the last 4??

I have never played them before, and would like to know which course or courses I should take a look at before I play them. I will be getting into Bowling Green Friday afternoon and would like to at least look at the course that will be the toughest. I throw about 360' - 400' , but my putt is kinda weak right now.

Any advise would be appreciated!!


Thanks,

Mike D

From my conversation with Larry yesterday on the course we may use Natcher Elementary and East Side Park. Granted, East Side Park is still under construction but I'm sure we could toss some baskets in. Now, dont take this as fact. These were simply ideas Larry was sharing with me. It's still his call on what courses to play.

If your throwing 360 - 400....move up :D

I play 3 of them quite a bit.
Lovers most of the holes are around 300' give or take a little but there are I believe two that are over 400. There are trees on most holes but it is not a wooded course and there are several routes on most holes. Also no real OB to be concerned about I have only went OB one time in about a dozen rounds.

Chalybeate is a very short course because of the amount of land it is on there is one 365' down hill and one 300' and the rest shorter than that. That also puts some of the tees and fairways in danger of an arrant disc so if you hear four cover your head :D. About half is open with few or no trees and the other half is fairly tightly wooded using hills and even a couple of bluffs in the course design. It is a fun course to play but luck could play a part in how your day goes. Two identical shots could have very different results on some holes.

Griffin is also a tale of two courses about half of the course is either in woods or playing close to a lake. The other half is fairly open but there are some small trees and bushes and should actually start being pretty nice in 3-5 years. The ones in the woods and close to the lake are fairly short and the ones on the back nine are mostly around 300' with a couple of short ones and a couple of longer ones.

I have not played Preston Miller but am going to play it this weekend.

:D No School the Friday before Bowling Green Yay.

So Mike D., does this mean you're staying in Advanced Master? I am. I'll get to play Lovers (one of my favorites) and two new ones since I played Basil in the old days. We should be able to get up there early Friday now that we found out the kids are out of school that day! :) We're staying at the host hotel. rWc3523 :cool:

From my conversation with Larry yesterday on the course we may use Natcher Elementary and East Side Park. Granted, East Side Park is still under construction but I'm sure we could toss some baskets in. Now, dont take this as fact. These were simply ideas Larry was sharing with me. It's still his call on what courses to play.



In place of what? Hopefully Preston Miller. That place is kind of a dump as far as courses go. Isn't the course at Natcher just nine holes?

Wow! I'd rather not play at a dump! :D:p ;) rWc3523 :cool:

I'll be interested in seeing what course gets bumped off the Adv roster. I'm voting for White Park.

If that happens, then I want to move from Masters to Advanced!

Terry, It's rumored that the Advanced Masters will be GAINING Lovers at the expense of Franklin, which will go into the Advanced rotation. At least I hope that's the way it will go. It would seem nuts to toss us "old guys" on the longest course (White Park). rWc3523 :cool:

I'll be interested in seeing what course gets bumped off the Adv roster. I'm voting for White Park.

If that happens, then I want to move from Masters to Advanced!



My thoughts exactly, we need more Advanced - esp those advanced in age and wisdom.

what better way to initiate the 200-300' throwers?

I have updated the list. This only includes the online registers should have the mail ones by this weekend.

Please don't take any comments on here to heart about what might or could happen unless it comes from me. I will let you all know as I and the club decide on what to do with the over whelming numbers we are getting. Please be patient and we will do what we can to make it fun.

Will post some more info on the doubles tomorrow.

Terry, It's rumored that the Advanced Masters will be GAINING Lovers at the expense of Franklin, which will go into the Advanced rotation. At least I hope that's the way it will go. It would seem nuts to toss us "old guys" on the longest course (White Park). rWc3523 :cool:



On the previous page (pg. 47) Larry said that the pools would be switching Lovers and Franklin. And I think most that have played all of the courses and truly do want the four most challenging courses in advance would agree that is the way it is now. I would have to agree that Lover's is maybe a nicer course than White or Hobson. Although in my opinion Franklin is still probably the second nicest course in the area as well behind only Keriakes. Especially playing it in spring or fall when the walking isn't quite so bad.

If your throwing 360 - 400....move up :D



Man, I wish that were true. I throw between 450-500 but my midrange game is poor and my putting is worse. I live for the long drive and suffer where it counts -- putting. Technical courses have the tendency to eat me alive. I tend to eat long, open courses alive. There seems to be more technical courses...

So Mike D., does this mean you're staying in Advanced Master? I am. I'll get to play Lovers (one of my favorites) and two new ones since I played Basil in the old days. We should be able to get up there early Friday now that we found out the kids are out of school that day! :) We're staying at the host hotel. rWc3523 :cool:



Russ,

I would really like to play Keriakes, so I might opt to play Advanced. Don't know if I could hang with those "young Guns" though. I guess I will decide when I find out what courses the Advanced Masters will be playing.

There is a group of us coming up on Friday afternoon also, maybe we will see you out on one of the courses! We are all staying at the Host hotel also so maybe we will see you guys there.

Later,

Mike D

Is this going to have to have to be capped at 720? I don't see any other way unless you put more than 5 people on each card... 5x18x8=720

Good Point. I don't think anyone wants to be playing on nine hole courses with nine baskets tossed up to make 18. This events turning into a monster! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif rWc3523 :cool:

Man if you are throwing 450-550 you should move up from AM1s. That is crazy. It would take me 2 shots to get it that far.

I would much rather play a guy that throws 500 than can make anything from 50 feet.

Any word on what number this is going to be capped at? Capped by division?

No complaints here about the switch, Larry.
I think that National Corvette show is going to be this same weekend. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the traffic will be insane around Bowling Green in between rounds!

One request... Please don't have pools playing Franklin-Simpson and Ephram White on the same day. Thanks.

Where is the distance contest going to be held?

Here is the doubles info I have.

Hobson Grove - Poorboys course sponsor:
Thursday: Doubles at 12 noon (11-12 noon registration) and at 5pm (4pm 5pm registration)
$20 per team bring your partner (one division, open to all)
100% payout in merchandise
Radar Gun all day - $2 per throw or 3 for $5

Friday:
Distance Competition 9am-5pm
Winner gets a new Innova discatcher pro basket awarded at players party $5 for 3 throws, unlimited chances
Radar Gun all day - $2 per throw or 3 for $5

Kereiakes - Maceman course sponsor
Will have disc golf clinic @ 2:00 then doubles at 3:00
$20 per team

Franklin - Sunking course sponsor
will have doubles - will have online registration avaible soon - looking at 2 events one @ 12:00 and one @ 3:00. $15 per person with sweet players package
He may also do something at Lovers - still being decided

Will there be printed information at the players meeting on how to get to the different courses... or should I look all this up before coming up?

they usually have some cool packets for us with directions in them.

WHERE is the distance competition??

Is Sunking the one that was at Lovers lane at 12:00 last year on Friday?

Is Sunking the one that was at Lovers lane at 12:00 last year on Friday?



In the rain, you bet.

Hobson as listed above is where the distance competition is.

Sheila and I are kinda hoping that you have a mixed doubles division?



I might have a partner lined up so that we could create a mixed doubles division.
We're planning on attending the MaceMan event...

Anyone else for mixed doubles?

Anyone need a lefty partner for any of the dubs on Fri.

they usually have some cool packets for us with directions in them.

WHERE is the distance competition??



Follow the yeti...I'll be there! :D

Larry, or someone from the club,

If you could post the address of each of the courses (or better yet the long/lat of the first tee) that would be great, I need to program the GPS

NC arrives in 11 days...