Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 10:06 AM
Justin Bunnell is EN FUEGO this morning! He has started his round with six straight deuces. :cool:
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 10:14 AM
Big shakeup on the lead Open card. One hole#5 at Pyramids Silver (the pond hole) Michael Johansen throws his drive into the drink and takes a circle 4. All other competitors deuce. Through five holes of play, Sjur and Cale are tied for the lead with John and Michael two strokes back. After a par 3 on hole#1 to start, Sjur has now shot six straight deuces in a row!
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 10:26 AM
<font color="blue"> dropping deuces </font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 10:35 AM
Cale Leiviska just hit an 80-foot putt for deuce on hole#8. Wow!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 10:41 AM
Des and Kristen reportedly both hit chains on their drives on hole#5 at Pyramids Silver, the pond hole. Nice ace runs, ladies! :)
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 10:47 AM
Cale Leiviska just hit an 80-foot putt for deuce on hole#8. Wow!
<font color="blue"> thats a great deuce. how did fowler get his? </font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 10:56 AM
Cale Leiviska is making his run now. During the stretch of holes 5 through 11, Cale hit seven deuces in a row! He now holds a three stroke lead over John, and Cale's drive on hole#11 reportedly hit the top of the polehole. Whoa.
Smitty2004
Aug 19 2007, 11:01 AM
Looks like Bennett is making the move on the second card. Looks like he may be in 2nd as of now.
bfunkyp
Aug 19 2007, 11:03 AM
The online scoring is simply the best yet. Great job Cromwell for your creating and to the MSDGC crew for making it work.
I will never miss this tournament again.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 11:06 AM
Cale is 9 under par through 11 holes of play. Will Kevin McCoy's course record of 43 fall today?
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 11:13 AM
Still need all Open players being tracked on the same sheet and their current ranks moving up/down in reference to where they are over/under par to truly see where everyone is. Current round totals and current overall totals does not make it easy to figure out their current ranks. Having this many groups shown is still great though. Kudos.
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 11:17 AM
Having this many groups shown is still great
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 11:19 AM
Knowing nothing about computers and data bases; how difficult would it be to offer a list of competitors and YOU select the ones you want to watch?
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 11:19 AM
Looks like holes 12 & 13 are a minefield that Geoff has gotten halfway thru unscathed. Looks like this area is slowing up the course.
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 11:21 AM
Unless someone is calling in their individual hole scores and posting them, you couldn't see any more than what you're seeing now.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 11:28 AM
Hole#13 is "The Airport Hole" because it looks out on Worcester Regional Airport. It throws downhill through a tight tunnel of trees perhaps only a dozen feet wide. Backups are common here.
tacimala
Aug 19 2007, 11:29 AM
Knowing nothing about computers and data bases; how difficult would it be to offer a list of competitors and YOU select the ones you want to watch?
If you had live scoring for every player, giving online spectators the ability to select which players they wanted to watch would be a very simple addition, programming wise. Good idea!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 11:31 AM
Knowing nothing about computers and data bases; how difficult would it be to offer a list of competitors and YOU select the ones you want to watch?
If you had live scoring for every player, giving online spectators the ability to select which players they wanted to watch would be a very simple addition, programming wise. Good idea!
The difficulty is finding 18 volunteers to call in the hole scores from all 18 cards. Good luck with that. :D
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 11:35 AM
Knowing nothing about computers and data bases; how difficult would it be to offer a list of competitors and YOU select the ones you want to watch?
If you had live scoring for every player, giving online spectators the ability to select which players they wanted to watch would be a very simple addition, programming wise. Good idea!
The difficulty is finding 18 volunteers to call in the hole scores from all 18 cards. Good luck with that. :D
Hows about 9 volunteers, spread every other hole, using text messaging? Just food for thought, I guess. Either way, this seems better than what the PDGA currently pulls off for its coverage.
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 11:36 AM
The technology is there from a company called BlueGolf: www.bluegolf.com/index.html (http://www.bluegolf.com/index.html)
Not sure what it costs to have the gizmos from each group transmit the scores and the software to track them. I think it's rentable and maybe should be tested sometime.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 11:44 AM
Des Reading started this morning with a 4-stroke lead and had extended that during round 3, but Kristen Weidle has gained one stroke per hole on Des over the last three holes, and the airport hole is next. :eek:
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 12:07 PM
Will Kevin McCoy's course record of 43 fall today?
Looks like Cale would have to deuce out to surpass McCoy's hot round.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 12:09 PM
<font size=5>ACE!!!</font>
Sjur Soleng on hole#16 of Pyramids Silver!
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 12:11 PM
<font color="blue">imagine that </font>
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 12:19 PM
Looks like Angela's applying the Shig-fire!
Cale Leiviska just hit an 80-foot putt for deuce on hole#8. Wow!
<font color="blue"> thats a great deuce. how did fowler get his? </font>
John Fowler is notorious for canning putts of ridiculous length. I would imagine he nailed a long one as well.
Go John !!!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 12:20 PM
Looks like Angela's applying the Shig-fire!
Angela Tschiggfrie has gained four strokes on Des Reading over the last four holes. She is now within three of Des with three holes to play yet this round.
... oh wait, it's only a 380 foot hole. He might have threaded the needle and gotten pretty close.
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 12:24 PM
Looks like Master Gangloff has risen to the second card.
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 12:28 PM
Rough final hole for Bennett & Co. Did the wind change since when the round started?
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 12:30 PM
Cale, Bennett, Fowler & Bunnell.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 12:35 PM
Did the wind change since when the round started?
Winds are very mild today as compared to yesterday. The wind is blowing out of the WNW at only 6-7 mph.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 01:59 PM
Heading into the final round on the par 63 Maple Hill Airplanes course, it's Cale Leiviska with a 3-stroke lead over Geoff Bennett and John Fowler.
In the Women's division, it's Des Reading with a 5-stroke lead over both Angela Tschiggfrie and Kristen Weidle. Angela had narrowed the gap to only 3 strokes through most of last round, but lost two to Des on their last two holes of the round.
In Grandmasters, both Jim O'Hara and Davis Johnson shoot a 67 on the Airplanes course, and Jim enters his final round on the Pyramids Silver course with a 3-stroke lead.
There will be a shotgun start for most of the A pool at 2 PM EST, with the top five Open cards and top Women's card to trickle start after that. Live Scoring for the Open cards will begin promptly at 2 PM, but the <u>lead</u> Open card and Women's card won't start coming in until at least 3:00 PM EST.
The weather is mostly sunny, 68 deg F with winds at 8mph out of the west - <font size=5>perfect conditions for the final round of the MSDGC! </font>
spamtown discgolfer
Aug 19 2007, 02:58 PM
GO CALE!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 03:02 PM
Hole#1 of Maple Hill Airplanes is a 760-ft. downhill pro par four. On the drive, competitors choose to either lay up before a small pond which starts about 300 feet from the tee or drive the pond which extends to 480 feet from the tee. Unfortunately, three of the four competitors on the 6th Open card found the drink. :(
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 03:10 PM
<font color="blue"> and soccerfan gets the 3!!! </font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 03:44 PM
With a birdie 3 on the pro par four first hole, Des has extended her lead to 6 strokes. There's still 17 holes to play, but barring a complete collapse, she looks headed for her fourth consecutive MSDGC title.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 03:58 PM
With birdies on the first two holes to Cale Leiviska's pars, John Fowler now trails Cale by only a single stroke!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 04:18 PM
Hole#6 on the Maple Hill Airplanes course is a downhill pro par four with heavy OB presence - the hill slopes left towards a pond, and an OB rock wall lines the entire right-hand side. Craig Gangloff scored an eagle two on this hole - only the second known deuce ever on this hole!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 04:26 PM
Cale Leiviska's lead had grown back to four after holes 3 & 4, but hole #5 would be pivotal. It's a lefty hyzer / righty anhyzer that carries water for almost its entire length (approx. 305 feet) Don't fade left! Cale takes a 5 while John Fowler deuces, and Cale's lead is back to only a single stroke. Justin Bunnell takes an 8, which likely included several shots into the water.
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 04:40 PM
<font color="blue"> YEAH PECKman! </font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 04:42 PM
<font color="blue"> YEAH PECKman! </font>
Matt Peckham is really lighting up his card - he's up by five on his nearest cardmate through eleven holes.
johnbiscoe
Aug 19 2007, 04:49 PM
...arrgh- fowler takes the 6, come on john!! ignore all that stuff i taught you! :D
jHarr
Aug 19 2007, 05:03 PM
get it Bennet!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:03 PM
Hole#7 playes up a narrow road with heavy trees off to either side. Cale Leiviska takes a double bogey 5, while Geoff Bennett takes a par 3. <font size=5>We now have a tie for the men's Open lead!</font>
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 05:06 PM
<font color="blue">and sidearm </font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:06 PM
<font size=5> With a deuce over the water on hole#8, Geoff Bennett takes the lead!!!</font>
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:12 PM
Is it just how the hole diagrams look or is Maple Hill Airplanes heavily biased toward shots bending to the right overall? Maybe not surprising that Bennett and Peckham having good rounds?
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 05:21 PM
<font color="blue">is mela a lefty? </font>
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:22 PM
Yes. And Dr. Doug. Not sure about the women.
cuttas
Aug 19 2007, 05:24 PM
i don't know
but i think weidle has a good sidearm
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:26 PM
Bennett, Peckham and Mela are all playing above their rating with Peckham and Bennett probably near 1050 if they come in at 54.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 05:28 PM
isnt like 56 the record?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:33 PM
If Matt Peckham takes birdie 3s on hole 17 and hole 18, he sets a new Maple Hill Airplanes course record of 54!
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:34 PM
And someone posted earlier that two of the holes are tougher this year so even a 56 would be the new record for this layout.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:37 PM
Indeed, hole#18 is now a pro par four of 605 feet so the former course record of 55 probably doesn't apply anymore.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 05:39 PM
whats the hold up - there hasnt been an update in like 15 min from the top card.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:42 PM
With a birdie 3 on hole#18, Mitch Sonderfan will also set a new course record of 55.
Soccerfan has a chance at the record, too!
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 05:45 PM
tied up in the open again.
C'mon cale - I need this 5 grand in fantasy!
johnbiscoe
Aug 19 2007, 05:45 PM
i don't know
but i think weidle has a good sidearm
she doesn't throw it very often- she has great touch with the roc though.
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:46 PM
Looks like the top women are ahead of the top men so until you see their scores you won't see the guys.
my_hero
Aug 19 2007, 05:49 PM
Hole 12 has nice scoring separation.
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 05:49 PM
tied up in the open again.
C'mon cale - I need this 5 grand in fantasy!
Fantasy Disc Golf?! Really? Where, how? Please tell, MTL!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 05:52 PM
On hole#18, Joe Mela was well short of the OB after his second shot and looking at a blind uphil 125+ footer. His bid hit the chains but just fell out. :(
circle_2
Aug 19 2007, 05:53 PM
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ck34
Aug 19 2007, 05:53 PM
So far, Stan the (old) Man is the only 3 on 18.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 05:58 PM
tied up in the open again.
C'mon cale - I need this 5 grand in fantasy!
Fantasy Disc Golf?! Really? Where, how? Please tell, MTL!
its a blast - a league started at the start of the year.
check the misc. section for the thread about it.
only 10 bux, you should get in next year.
brhoderick
Aug 19 2007, 06:00 PM
Come on C R A I G :D
Peckerham with a new record! Brinster has a chance to tie.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:01 PM
So far, Stan the (old) Man is the only 3 on 18.
Only two cards - a limited pool of data to work with. :D
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 06:05 PM
Stan's 3 wouldn't have gotten posted at all if I hadn't done it then. :D
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 06:06 PM
tied up in the open again.
C'mon cale - I need this 5 grand in fantasy!
Fantasy Disc Golf?! Really? Where, how? Please tell, MTL!
its a blast - a league started at the start of the year.
check the misc. section for the thread about it.
only 10 bux, you should get in next year.
Thank you sir! I will!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:17 PM
Cale takes a par 5 on the new hole#12 and drops one stroke back of Geoff. This new 730' pro par 5 is simply a masterpiece! The tee shot travels straight through a wide fairway in heavy hardwood forest for a distance of about 330 feet to the landing zone, at which point the fairway doglegs right. From there it's then about 250 feet to clear the woods, where it opens up. However, the basket is perched uphill another 150 feet or so amongst a tall group of Christmas trees. The drive is critical, as any error will result in a pitch-out shot to the dogleg. From there, throwing a shot that makes it out of the remainder of the wooded fairway and all the way up to the polehole is challenging. The christmas trees around the polehole are the tallest of any found on the property, and definitely come into play. (You can easily throw over them on holes 1,11, and 13.) Conservative fairway shots will probably net the birdie four for most competitors on hole#12, but aggressiveness may result in some bogeys or worse.
How did group 2 get ahead of group 3?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:25 PM
How did group 2 get ahead of group 3?
The scorer for group 3 hasn't called the scores in yet.
tacimala
Aug 19 2007, 06:31 PM
Something looks a little funky with the women's scores that have been turned in so far.
Can someone call the scorer for hole 3?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:44 PM
Group 3 scores are in and the issue with one of the women has been resolved.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:51 PM
With an 8-stroke lead, it is probably safe to say congratulations to Des Reading of Davenport, IA on her 4th consecutive MSDGC title. Congrats, Des!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:54 PM
Congrats to Jim O'Hara on his Grandmasters victory! :cool:
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 06:56 PM
Cale Leiviska takes a bogey four on hole#16 and Geoff Bennett enters the 17th hole with a 2-stroke lead!!!
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 06:58 PM
THE KING WILL BE CROWNED
don't blow up geoff
tacimala
Aug 19 2007, 07:00 PM
Pro Women on the 2nd card have taken about 20-25 minutes to play this short hole 13 so far.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:04 PM
Pro Women on the 2nd card have taken about 20-25 minutes to play this short hole 13 so far.
They are done and were following the lead card of Open. Their scores were just called in.
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:04 PM
quit complaining <font color="blue"> [offensive material deleted] </font>
tacimala
Aug 19 2007, 07:06 PM
Sorry Daemon I didn't mean to be short
savard1120
Aug 19 2007, 07:09 PM
fakewoj doesnt approve
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:13 PM
wow down to 1 going to 18....
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:13 PM
Geoff takes a 4, Cale jumps again to 1 back, what's the story?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:13 PM
<font size=5>Geoff's lead is now back to one stroke over Cale going into hole#18!!!</font>
tobemeabc
Aug 19 2007, 07:14 PM
you can do it Geoff!
savard1120
Aug 19 2007, 07:15 PM
get ignt geoff
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:18 PM
<font size=5>Geoff's sidearm approach flew OB! Cale's approach is there for the 3! We're likely gonna have a playoff!</font>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:19 PM
Geoff should have a drop-in 4. Cale should make his 3, resulting in a playoff.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:21 PM
<font size=5>PLAYOFF ON HOLE#1!!!</font>
savard1120
Aug 19 2007, 07:22 PM
playoffs????
ck34
Aug 19 2007, 07:23 PM
Geoff ties Peckham's record of 56.
jHarr
Aug 19 2007, 07:23 PM
get it Bennet!
my_hero
Aug 19 2007, 07:23 PM
wow
atreau3
Aug 19 2007, 07:24 PM
wow
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:24 PM
keep us updated Jeff!
Scores for Fowler and Bunnell?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:27 PM
Scores for Fowler and Bunnell?
Have been entered.
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:28 PM
What's up with the playoff? Start yet?
Thanks!!
MJ gets 3rd! Not too bad, hippie! :)
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 07:30 PM
What's up with the playoff? Start yet?
I would think so, its gotta be getting dark over there!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:33 PM
Playing the red (short) tee on hole#1 and shooting over the pond, neither competitor deuced. On to the red tee of hole#2.
savard1120
Aug 19 2007, 07:37 PM
this is intense
disc13207
Aug 19 2007, 07:37 PM
Cmon Geoff
this is intense
Can't wait for the DVD!
scottcwhite
Aug 19 2007, 07:39 PM
this is intense
Can't wait for the DVD!
2nd. When can we pre-order?
kadiddlhopper
Aug 19 2007, 07:40 PM
Breaking news, Geoff wins, by stroking Cale for spiking a disc!
disc13207
Aug 19 2007, 07:40 PM
Wonder if Cale will make another historic jump putt? Or will it be Bennett with the pressure putt?
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:41 PM
KING BENNETT!!!
HOLLA AT CHA BOI!!!
kadiddlhopper
Aug 19 2007, 07:41 PM
Just kidding
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:41 PM
Breaking news, Geoff wins, by stroking Cale for spiking a disc!
haha now thats funny
savard1120
Aug 19 2007, 07:42 PM
thats just beetarted
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:42 PM
updates Jeff?
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:43 PM
Both tied on hole#2. Back to the long tee of hole#1. Both competitors drive over the pond (480 ft. downhill!) and are making approaches to the long basket of hole#1.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:45 PM
wow!!
keep us updated
thanks!!!
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 07:45 PM
Has there been a playoff before and what is the playoff hole layout?
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:45 PM
Did they both bird hole 2?
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:45 PM
05 went to a playoff with Kevin McCoy and Walt Haney
atreau3
Aug 19 2007, 07:46 PM
yep
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:47 PM
<font size=5>CALE WINS!!! </font> Geoff takes a par four, and Cale makes his birdie putt for the 3!
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 07:47 PM
Ah Yes, thats right, Kmack jumped into the pond! DOH!
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:47 PM
CALE WINS!!!Geoff takes a par four, and Cale makes his birdie putt for the 3!
YES!!
Add 5 grand to my fantasy total!
DweLLeR
Aug 19 2007, 07:48 PM
<font size=5>CALE WINS!!! </font> Geoff takes a par four, and Cale makes his birdie putt for the 3!
Something told me! Great drama! Cant wait for the DVD! Yeah baby! Congrats Cale!
tyson99duke
Aug 19 2007, 07:49 PM
Robert,
Who did you take in the FDGL?
Liz_Lopez
Aug 19 2007, 07:49 PM
Way to go CALE!!!!!!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:49 PM
Congrats to the 2007 MSDGC Champion Cale Leiviska!!!
spamtown discgolfer
Aug 19 2007, 07:49 PM
WOOHOO Cale!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 19 2007, 07:49 PM
BOTH Cale and Geoff jump into the pond on hole#1!!!
DSproAVIAR
Aug 19 2007, 07:50 PM
Dang
Geoff was looking for his second out-of-state win, his first came last weekend.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 07:50 PM
Robert,
Who did you take in the FDGL?
Cale buddy, CALE!!
I talked with Sprague at Worlds and he convinced me to take him. Then I saw Cale was playing and wasn't sure if he was playing Sugarbrush, so went with him when I knew he would play.
tyson99duke
Aug 19 2007, 07:52 PM
I took MJ, glad to see him finish well. Congrats to all the winners, way to go team charlotte.
MTL21676
Aug 19 2007, 08:09 PM
yeah MJ had a great weekend, as did Peckham.
good finish for sjur also - a grand is a HUGE payday!
wander
Aug 19 2007, 08:40 PM
Congrats to Cale on another great win, and to Geoff for a fine 2nd place finish.
The king is just ramping up for this October, anyway.
Thanks to the MSDGC folks for the updates on scoring.
Waiting for the DVD already.
Joe
ninafofitre
Aug 19 2007, 10:30 PM
BOTH Cale and Geoff jump into the pond on hole#1!!!
HELL YEAH!!!! :D
Luke Butch
Aug 19 2007, 10:41 PM
BOTH Cale and Geoff jump into the pond on hole#1!!!
HELL YEAH!!!! :D
It wasn't Geoff and Cale. It was Cale and Chris Sprauge.
Spirit Award winners were the Frizzaks!
So sick to see Geoff clear the pond with a forehand during the playoff.
Luke Butch
Aug 19 2007, 10:44 PM
the DVD should be sick between the playoff and the final 9 holes with Geoff and Cale so close.
Geoff had made a crazy run for a 3 from 50-60ft on #17(he hit the top of the basket) NO FEAR!
BJones
Aug 20 2007, 04:28 AM
Congrats Fowler on the awesome finish!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 20 2007, 08:03 AM
BOTH Cale and Geoff jump into the pond on hole#1!!!
HELL YEAH!!!! :D
It wasn't Geoff and Cale. It was Cale and Chris Sprauge.
Looks like I was given bad info. Thanks for the correction, Luke. :)
ericdmb
Aug 20 2007, 08:31 AM
seeing as Cale won did he win the $5000 or did he get $3766 with Geoff?
I took Cale in the Fantasy league too!
brhoderick
Aug 20 2007, 10:10 AM
Wow way to finish Fowler..>Way to go CRAIGGER :D:D
CONGRATS to Kristen......excellent excellent.......
MTL21676
Aug 20 2007, 10:13 AM
seeing as Cale won did he win the $5000 or did he get $3766 with Geoff?
I took Cale in the Fantasy league too!
it will offically go down in the books as 5 grand.
If they decided to split it, its up to them.
ck34
Aug 20 2007, 10:24 AM
I think it's shown as split only because that's how the software was written for dynamically calculating payouts. But we know some players do "share."
magilla
Aug 20 2007, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE]
seeing as Cale won did he win the $5000 or did he get $3766 with Geoff?
it will offically go down in the books as 5 grand.
If they decided to split it, its up to them.
That would be STUPID "Tax" move. Cale will be hit for Taxes on the $5000 as the "Offical" winner :o
Jeff_LaG
Aug 20 2007, 01:25 PM
I think it's shown as split only because that's how the software was written for dynamically calculating payouts. But we know some players do "share."
Chuck is correct that the software is displaying that automatically. I couldn't stay for the award ceremony, but I'm willing to bet that Cale's first place payout was approximately $5K and Geoff took the second place prize listed as $2,532.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 20 2007, 02:28 PM
Did they both bird hole 2?
Apparently both competitors took a par 3 on hole#1 from the short tee. On hole #2, Geoff Bennett reportedly unleashed a hammer throw over the trees in the middle which looked like an ace coming in, and landed less than 20 ft. from the basket. Cale threw an anhyzer bomb over everything and also ended up about 20 feet from the basket.
xterramatt
Aug 20 2007, 03:34 PM
I made more than Schwebby this weekend! and I got a free haircut too!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 20 2007, 04:06 PM
Hehe, ju gotta love that it was the "Brian Schweberger Memorial Pie Eating Contest." :D
Luke Butch
Aug 20 2007, 07:04 PM
payout was in checks, 1 for 5k made out to Cale, the other for 2532 made out to Geoff.
Stan the man said during the awards that this was the best overall disc golf experience of his life!
some drama on the last hole: Geoff was inches from hitting the rock wall(deep OB boundary of the green) and staying in bounds. Cale hit the top of the wall on his 2nd shot, but kicked back in bounds.
playoff went like this:
hole 1 red(elements): Cale is 40ish away after hyzering past the basket, Geoff was barely inbounds, similar distance away. both missed their putts.
hole 2 red(elements): Cale throws the anhyzer, goes 25ish deep, Geoff throws a overhand over the trees, lands about 20 away, both make their putts.
hole 2 gold(airplanes): Cale turns over his Z pred(idk how he does that btw) so easily clears the water, but is right in the pines, Geoff throws a ESP Surge forehand, clears the water and lands right in the ideal landing zone just past the short basket. Geoff throws a forehand approach that hits the rock wall(OB boundary) stays in but is about 45ft pin high left. Cale puts his upshot 20ft away, with a straddle putt. Geoff jump putts and airballs, goes 40 past, but makes the comebacker. Cale makes his 20footer for the win.
mule1
Aug 20 2007, 08:58 PM
As for Cale's approach to the green of 18 during regulation, I had a bird's eye view. His shot was a bit high. I thought it was going to pass over the green. It caught a little bit of cabbage , just enough to slow it down just a little and it hit the tippy top of the rock wall on the back of the green and bounced back to stay in. It usually takes a bit of good luck to top off a great performance. By the way, I had never seen Cale and Geoff play before nor had I seen a number of the other young guns at the tournament. What a great crop of young players ,and all the ones I played with and watched displayed not only great skills but also conducted themselves like gentlemen.
As for the tournament, it definately was the most fun I have ever had at a tournament. Take into account the beauty of private courses in New England while escaping the Sahara summer of the south. The courses are exceptionally scenic and the love that has been poured into them is readily apparent and is still ongoing as they continue to tweak and improve them and the 6 million manhours of labor that has already been invested is obvious to anyone with at least one functional eye. Then there was hospitality of the owners families, about 4 generations of them (Gramma was sooooo cool !!). The volunteer staff was numerous and exceptional. The three nights of free food and the free beer and the DDC and Polish Beer Can knocking off Stick games till 2a.m. and putting contest and hair cutting and pie eating contest and pool ball racing track off of the house and awesome quaint dining spots in Worcester. I'm running out of breath and probably forgot other things that happened. They all combined to make the experience phenominal. I think that what put it at the top of my list was that it was all there on private property and the social value of the after round activities was maximized since nearly everyone was camping and they stayed there for all the craziness and post round shenanigans. Hats off to Jason and Steve and their families and staff. To those who have not experienced this event, IF it happens again, do whatever it takes to get in!!!!You won't be disappointed.
bschweberger
Aug 20 2007, 09:35 PM
I made more than Schwebby this weekend! and I got a free haircut too!
Wanna bet?
bschweberger
Aug 20 2007, 09:36 PM
Hehe, ju gotta love that it was the "Brian Schweberger Memorial Pie Eating Contest." :D
Nice......So I really was there in SpiriTT
sandalman
Aug 21 2007, 09:31 AM
Geoff's last drive on airplanes 1, third playoff hole:
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Sharky
Aug 21 2007, 10:20 AM
Marshall Street and the MSDGC it does not get any better than this.
Slide Show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=96&pid=5285&slideshow=5000)
eddie_ogburn
Aug 21 2007, 02:26 PM
Thanks Jason and Steve for yet another great event. To put on a tournament of this size and have it run that smoothly is amazing. Thanks to my travel buddies 1f2ns and Jackie Smalls. It was a blast. Congrats Cale. Hopefully you guys will change your minds and put on another MSDGC. 6 from NC in the top 20 without those baggers Walt, LL, JJ and Schweb!!! Not too shabby.. Wooo!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 21 2007, 02:33 PM
Thanks for posting that, Pat.
While that's one of the most amazing sidearms I've ever seen, I'm at a loss as to why he would choose to throw sidearm there when he can throw a backhand farther and with more accuracy. I guess that I probably shouldn't question the logic of a 1007-rated pro who is good enough to make a playoff in one of disc golf's biggest events, but it does make me wonder. :D
xterramatt
Aug 21 2007, 02:33 PM
USDGC Qualifiers:
John Fowler
Matt Peckham
Mitch Sonderfan
Mike Dussault
Craig Gangloff
ericdmb
Aug 21 2007, 02:35 PM
why might there not be another MSDGC?
ninafofitre
Aug 21 2007, 02:38 PM
Whhooooooa Doggggies? No more MSDGC???? NO WAY!!! Say it aint so.... :(
Luke Butch
Aug 21 2007, 02:43 PM
Thanks for posting that, Pat.
While that's one of the most amazing sidearms I've ever seen, I'm at a loss as to why he would choose to throw sidearm there when he can throw a backhand farther and with more accuracy. I guess that I probably shouldn't question the logic of a 1007-rated pro who is good enough to make a playoff in one of disc golf's biggest events, but it does make me wonder. :D
his forehand is more accurate than his backhand. He throws 80%+ of all his drives forehand.
Luke Butch
Aug 21 2007, 02:47 PM
Whhooooooa Doggggies? No more MSDGC???? NO WAY!!! Say it aint so.... :(
Jason has said that he would like to take a year off.
for them there is way they would run a smaller scale MSDGC- its got to be bigger and better.
at the end of the awards ceremony the barn was chanting " one more year!"
DSproAVIAR
Aug 21 2007, 02:55 PM
Geoff's forehand is more accurate than his backhand. He throws 80%+ of all his drives forehand.
Too true
ninafofitre
Aug 21 2007, 03:13 PM
I don't know how they have been able to keep the fire going this long at the pace they are going....Hands down the best event out there not named USDGC. To maintain that level of an event annually takes a TON of time. I hope that it's just a rumor and/or becomes a bi-annual event, cuz it's an awesome time.
frisbeeguy
Aug 21 2007, 03:43 PM
Wow...First of all a giant thank you to Jason & family for hosting all of us. You opened up your home & property so we could have such fun!
More thanks to the dozens of volunteers that staffed and worked for weeks preparing the (fantastic) courses. (and a special thanks for the airport/train station rides)
By far this was one of best flying disc experiences I've ever had so an extra special thanks go to Snap Discsports for donating their sponsor exempted spot allowing me a chance to play. I had a blast tossing the Whittler around & found it very handy since it was sooooo hard getting aproach shots close.
Biannual sounds like a good idea...c'mon now.
jefferson
Aug 22 2007, 08:42 AM
USDGC Qualifiers:
John Fowler
Matt Peckham
Mitch Sonderfan
Mike Dussault
Craig Gangloff
congraTTs packman
xterramatt
Aug 22 2007, 09:33 AM
thank ya thank ya.
Lickme
Aug 22 2007, 10:46 AM
I gave my PDGA Discussion Page Username and Password to Jason Southwick. He said he�d get me banned. I said go for it. He promised to leave clues everywhere.
What a wonderful weekend. What wonderful guests. Stan the Mule, the Readings (Des wins all four), Craig Gangloff, Bob Graham, Brad OB, Gregory, Big Dog, Matt Peckham and the Innova Van, Jeff G. Freakin Pat Brenner was there, representing the nearly defunct PDGA. Steve Pearson was there with Eddie, and they elevated the fun and the � somehow � seriousness of the absolutely ridiculous. I don�t think I�ve ever had a better time over five days.
Only one of two DDC lights worked. Another game was obsessively followed. It was a good game. You had to hold a beer.
There�s a little beef we got. Actually, Jason has the biggest beef of all evidently, since he called me today in a tizzy, with bad news. He�d talked to Steve, and Steve looked far away and said, �So that�s why he had that expression.� Steve looked bummed, too, and does not condone splitting, or chopping, or whatever that strange and questionable habit of agreeing to split cash before the outcome is decided. See, we�ve got this thing about splitting. Not right, not good, not sportsmanlike. Certainly Steve�s take on this issue is more nuanced, and he is always welcome to respond. Sorry, but there should be a clear winner and a clear loser the way the TDs planned it, with pain, yes. Not �chopping�, like Cale Leiviska and Geoff Bennett did before the playoff at the 2007 MSDGC.
I�m about to start a rumor, but this isn�t it. Cale Leiviska and Geoff Bennett agreed to split the cash before the playoff for the championship. Both of those gentlemen are exceptional players, fair people, and nice guys. They did this to be nice to each other. Steve reminded Jason that at the 2005 MSDGC Kevin McCoy and Walter Haney agreed to split the cash once they wound up in a first place tie after four rounds. Both Kevin and Walter owned up to this. Like I said this isn�t the rumor; Geoff told Jason directly on Sunday night at the survivors� party.
More than rumor has it that Ken Climo has split cash many times, and that splitting, even in Skins, is often condoned in our goofball sport. Some great players have told me with a straight face that splitting in skins is not good, yet splitting during playoffs in regular tournament play is okay. Jason doesn�t think so. Jason thinks if one isn�t right the other can�t be right.
It took some effort to sell 72 $300 tee signs, and our Ace and Skins sponsors all gave us some form of 1000 bucks, for which we reciprocate with our advertising expertise. For our overall efforts, we want to see someone cry in the Maple Hill parking lot, with everybody giving him/her a pity beer, and we want to see someone like Chris Sprague almost break down winning the title for real. Twice now we�re freakin chumps, this time thinking the whole time that someone was winning $5000 and someone else (i.e. PLAYOFF LOSER) a little over half of that. We busted our asses. We don�t want to have to think about how it didn�t really matter as much as we thought, right at that moment, that, as a TD, you dream about.
Next time � if there is a next time, several years down the road � we�ll do it right. We�ll understand how expensive it is for touring pros, and how sad and broke the losers are, so we�ll just give all the touring pros who show up a rubber chicken with which they can play with during rounds, without actually playing disc golf, cause what�s the point? The lesser players and sponsors can foot the bill, and we�ll turn the whole production into a fake ghay/lesbho film that will certainly sell better than the next fake winner MSDGC DVD we�ll soon be selling like discount souls at CVS.
Here�s the rumor: We wuz robbed.
gotcha
Aug 22 2007, 10:57 AM
How do you split skins?
And "so what" if divisional winners split their winnings....I've seen it happen hundreds of times. :confused:
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 11:05 AM
You can't control splitting!!
As the TD, all you can do to prevent it is give the winner the big check, give the loser the small check.
You have NO control over whether Cale decided to give Geoff 1,300 dollars. Had they not tied for the win and Cale won out right just randomly decided to give him 1,300 dollars, nothing would have been said.
ck34
Aug 22 2007, 11:09 AM
However, for tax purposes Cale gets reported as $5000 on the 1099 so splitting evenly will hurt Cale from a tax standpoint unless they account for that difference in the split.
ninafofitre
Aug 22 2007, 11:12 AM
Splitting SKINS is down right WRONG!!!!
I can't say the same for splitting the cash for the win. Unfortunately most of the touring pros living out of our cars are not financially well off enough to not split...I agree it doesn't appear to be the greatest thing to do to the hard working staff. Furthermore, when Walt and I agreed to split we didn't know it would upset anyone because this kind of stuff happens all over the place, so we were just doing what we have done in prior places. If I knew that it would have struck a nerve I would have never done it.
There is a lot of love for Jason and Steve in the disc golf community for all their hard work to put on such an event. I hope they can continue to be great ambassadors to this game no matter what they choose to do with MSDGC
warwickdan
Aug 22 2007, 11:16 AM
the only thing split was the $$$. Cale won the event and the glory and his name goes down as MSDGC 2007 champ forever.
although some players travel from all over the globe for the sake of the almighty dollar, the beauty of the MSDGC is the unique spirit. that is why most players proclaim it as among the best events ever.
don't get hung up on the monetary side agreements. it doesn't matter.
gotcha
Aug 22 2007, 11:16 AM
I still don't understand how you can split skins... :confused:
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 11:17 AM
trust me coming from someone who has split in playoffs
They both wanted the win as much as if they had not split.
jefferson
Aug 22 2007, 11:18 AM
How do you split skins?
agree beforehand with another member or members in the group to split all combined skins won or whatever amount won.
ninafofitre
Aug 22 2007, 11:19 AM
I still don't understand how you can split skins... :confused:
One player agrees to tank a putt so they can split the winnings...instead of having the hole and carrying it over
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 11:19 AM
I still don't understand how you can split skins... :confused:
simple.
1,000 dollars in skins, 4 players.
Player A wins 0
B wins 500
C wins 400
D wins 100.
Before hand they agree to split. A gets nothing from the TD. B Gets 500 from the TD. C gets 400. D gets 100.
The four players get together and each get 250.
DSproAVIAR
Aug 22 2007, 11:19 AM
I helped get sponsor $$ and run an event earlier this year where 3 players tied for the win and split.
As an organizer, I was dissapointed that the winner didn't get the advertised $500.
But as a player, if I was out there touring, I would hate to spit out, spit through, or have something else happen and rob me of $200 or $1300 in this case.
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 11:20 AM
I've heard of tournaments where two players were tied 8 strokes ahead of third and split before the 4th round even started....
bruce_brakel
Aug 22 2007, 11:27 AM
Pros agree to split because the payout curve doesn't match their payout needs. Who's fault is that?
jefferson
Aug 22 2007, 11:28 AM
why after tying through 72 holes would you want to risk losing $2468 on 1 hole?
20 foot dead center cuTT - through... laaaaaaaTTer $2500
james_mccaine
Aug 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Well, that scenario is not the one that gets under everyones skin the most, it's when two agree to split beforehand, one is already in in two and the other one purposefully misses a putt, basically making the whole exercise meaningless.
My first thought is that I agreed with Des and Kevin regarding the difference betwen skins and place prizes, but lickme's post made me think, it certainly would be a better world if there was no splitting, under any circumstances.
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 11:31 AM
it certainly would be a better world if there was no splitting, under any circumstances.
it would still happen, just quietly.
james_mccaine
Aug 22 2007, 11:40 AM
It's about an ethic. It would be a bettter world if all golfers had the ethic that splitting was verboten, thus the scenario juffman describes of one hole being worth buttloads becomes legendary, rather than easily forgotten.
DSproAVIAR
Aug 22 2007, 11:46 AM
It would be a better world for disc golf if we had payouts similar to PGA tourneys. I'm sure that when the top 5 places are getting 5 digit payouts, splitting will be a thing of the past.
ck34
Aug 22 2007, 11:49 AM
Caddies might quit if they didn't get their full 10%.
gotcha
Aug 22 2007, 11:52 AM
I still don't understand how you can split skins... :confused:
One player agrees to tank a putt so they can split the winnings...instead of having the hole and carrying it over
I guess my brain (and game) doesn't compute that way... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
StevenDodge
Aug 22 2007, 11:57 AM
It would be a better world for disc golf if we had payouts similar to PGA tourneys. I'm sure that when the top 5 places are getting 5 digit payouts, splitting will be a thing of the past.
amen.
I had heard of an agreement to split any skins that pushed, and so were decided by a ctp on hole 1.
If that was the case they should have announced it rather than have us all cheer them.
I think leftover skins should have been added to the event or the purse.
What's the official word on splitting from the competition commitee? Are there guidelines in other sports about this?
BOB
Putt it right!
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 12:02 PM
What's the official word on splitting from the competition commitee? Are there guidelines in other sports about this?
yes, splitting is not allowed and the TD must report the winner recieving the posted ammount the loser(s) getting 2nd place money.
However, once you leave the course, the PDGA has no control over it.
I don't know why people think you can regulate someone just giving someone money. Thats all splitting is.
ck34
Aug 22 2007, 12:05 PM
We're pretty sure we saw a top player who is still active dump a 10 ft putt in skins at the MN Majestic back in 1990 or so when I first got in the game because he was traveling with the other guy who got the skins on that hole as a result. So, the practice has been there for a long time. Perhaps most of the skins winnings should be going to the player's specified charity like ball golf so no splits would occur?
MTL21676
Aug 22 2007, 12:10 PM
I'm not going to name names, but a married couple was once in a skins competition and the husband had a 20 footer for 3 and the wife had a tap in 3. All other competitors missed thier putts. The husband layed up so the wife would win.
Made a lot of people angry, but it was for like 1,000 bux and if the husband would have made his, there would have been a carry over.
Not stating my opinion on the situation, just stating facts.
ninafofitre
Aug 22 2007, 12:16 PM
That husband was notorious for splitting skins..
vinnie
Aug 22 2007, 12:24 PM
I CAMplete agree
Lickme
Aug 22 2007, 12:26 PM
I've already received my warning.
Woo Hoo
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 12:29 PM
I have been in 9 1st place playoffs in sanctioned events and have split with the other competitiors b4 hand every time. I have won all but one of them. I do not play this sport for the money, I do play to try and win.
As I have always said, I go to tournaments to see Old friends, meet new people and see new parts of the country, The Money is just a Bonus, and If I play well enough to be in a tie for 1st after regulation, I think it is my perrogative to be able to split it with the other competitor. The other person can always say they do not want to split it and that is fine with me too, but that is just the way I am and will always be.
sandalman
Aug 22 2007, 12:31 PM
i wish the names of the reporting parties could be published (not just in this case, but in all MB disciplinary cases) :) what was the phrase that got ya in trouble? nothing has been edited yet, so it must not have been too offensive.
Lickme
Aug 22 2007, 12:36 PM
Schweb - I miss your head.
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 12:39 PM
Schweb - I miss your head.
same goes here Mr Proud.
twoputtok
Aug 22 2007, 12:41 PM
he let some one else use his account. ;)
xterramatt
Aug 22 2007, 12:41 PM
You mean you miss the taste of Lick's head.
I think both Lick and Schweb should get a warning and a room...
ronturner
Aug 22 2007, 01:38 PM
splitting prize money happens all the time in poker.
Chris_Sprague
Aug 22 2007, 01:42 PM
Splitting Skins Bad - being tied for 1st and making a financial decision is probably looked down upon by people with yobs, but the players know that the money offers security to continue touring and you'd have to walk 8 months in their shoes maybe to understand. The MSDGC title is the real prize anyway!!!
Thanks EVERYONE! It was another amazing EVENT!!!!!!
PS
I told Cale he needed to go jump in the pond, he said "you didn't jump in last year, are you going in with me?" I asked him if he was sure he wanted me to, and he said yeah - so I got to have my victory plunge! Thanks Cale
Congrats to Geoff too, we toured together for a few weeks this year, and he's definately put his goals and efforts in the right places - keep it going Bennett!
Thanks again to the Staff Infection for all their efforts!
High Five!
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 02:00 PM
You mean you miss the taste of Lick's head.
Of course
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 02:00 PM
I think both Lick and Schweb should get a warning and a room...
Jealous
warwickdan
Aug 22 2007, 03:09 PM
TD's and clubs probably have many reasons why they run events. In what way does top players agreeing to split tourney proceeds (i'm not referring to skins because i can see where funny business could factor in) negatively impact the tourney experience for players, sponsors, or anyone else connected with the event? If it is negatively impacting the TD's or the host club, how and/or why? I'm either naive or just don't plain understand.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 22 2007, 03:58 PM
The way I understand it is that the tournament directors gave Cale Leiviska a check for $5000 for first place. Then they gave Geoff Bennett a check for $2,532 for second place. Then they got a standing ovation and cried in front of everyone. :D
Later that night, after all the pie crumbs and hair clippings were swept up, Cale met with Geoff in a dark alley (most likely the approach to MH Airplanes 17 :D) and Cale gave Geoff $1234. Thus, each competitor went home with exactly $3766 each.
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
gotcha
Aug 22 2007, 04:10 PM
The way I understand it is that the tournament directors gave Cale Leiviska a check for $5000 for first place. Then they gave Geoff Bennett a check for $2,532 for second place. Then they got a standing ovation and cried in front of everyone. :D
Later that night, after all the pie crumbs and hair clippings were swept up, Cale met with Geoff in a dark alley (most likely the approach to MH Airplanes 17 :D) and Cale gave Geoff $1234. Thus, each competitor went home with exactly $3766 each.
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
What happened to the crumbs and clippings? Something fishy is going on here... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 04:24 PM
The way I understand it is that the tournament directors gave Cale Leiviska a check for $5000 for first place. Then they gave Geoff Bennett a check for $2,532 for second place. Then they got a standing ovation and cried in front of everyone. :D
Later that night, after all the pie crumbs and hair clippings were swept up, Cale met with Geoff in a dark alley (most likely the approach to MH Airplanes 17 :D) and Cale gave Geoff $1234. Thus, each competitor went home with exactly $3766 each.
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
What happened to the crumbs and clippings? Something fishy is going on here... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Mr Proud LICKed them up
StevenDodge
Aug 22 2007, 04:36 PM
Peckham: $688
Schwebbie: $680
Nice shooting Matt! We did indeed miss the Schwebber's hair clippings and pie crumbs.
ck34
Aug 22 2007, 04:40 PM
What if Schwebbie was in on a splitsky to go over $688? :eek: :D
my_hero
Aug 22 2007, 04:58 PM
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
Exactly!
As chuck mentioned it's going to be interesting to see what they do come tax time though. IRS thinks Cale got all 5k.
tacimala
Aug 22 2007, 05:04 PM
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
Exactly!
As chuck mentioned it's going to be interesting to see what they do come tax time though. IRS thinks Cale got all 5k.
If you want to get technical, Cale could fill out a 1096 and a 1099 for this and send the 1096 to the government and the 1099 to Bennett in the amount of $1234 or whatever it was. Then he could deduct that amount from his earnings from the year and Geoff would have to claim them.
ninafofitre
Aug 22 2007, 05:05 PM
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
Exactly!
As chuck mentioned it's going to be interesting to see what they do come tax time though. IRS thinks Cale got all 5k.
If you want to get technical, Cale could fill out a 1096 and a 1099 for this and send the 1096 to the government and the 1099 to Bennett in the amount of $1234 or whatever it was. Then he could deduct that amount from his earnings from the year and Geoff would have to claim them.
**** I need you to do my taxes :D
MiTTenZZ
Aug 22 2007, 10:35 PM
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
Exactly!
As chuck mentioned it's going to be interesting to see what they do come tax time though. IRS thinks Cale got all 5k.
If you want to get technical, Cale could fill out a 1096 and a 1099 for this and send the 1096 to the government and the 1099 to Bennett in the amount of $1234 or whatever it was. Then he could deduct that amount from his earnings from the year and Geoff would have to claim them.
**** I need you to do my taxes :D
Second
bschweberger
Aug 22 2007, 11:03 PM
Peckham: $688
Schwebbie: $680
Nice shooting Matt! We did indeed miss the Schwebber's hair clippings and pie crumbs.
$200 Bonus from Innova = $880
I do not leave crumbs......and I definitely would have needed a HaircuTT
tacimala
Aug 22 2007, 11:43 PM
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
Exactly!
As chuck mentioned it's going to be interesting to see what they do come tax time though. IRS thinks Cale got all 5k.
If you want to get technical, Cale could fill out a 1096 and a 1099 for this and send the 1096 to the government and the 1099 to Bennett in the amount of $1234 or whatever it was. Then he could deduct that amount from his earnings from the year and Geoff would have to claim them.
**** I need you to do my taxes :D
Second
I am not an accountant, but running your own business will make you think like one sometimes. I'll have to put together some information to share with other disc golfers at some point. There aren't many many people in this sport that can make a "profit" as far as the government is concerned as long as you document everything properly. I'll post that within time, but if anyone wants any ideas sooner, hit me up.
Luke Butch
Aug 23 2007, 12:08 AM
The way I understand it is that the tournament directors gave Cale Leiviska a check for $5000 for first place. Then they gave Geoff Bennett a check for $2,532 for second place. Then they got a standing ovation and cried in front of everyone. :D
Later that night, after all the pie crumbs and hair clippings were swept up, Cale met with Geoff in a dark alley (most likely the approach to MH Airplanes 17 :D) and Cale gave Geoff $1234. Thus, each competitor went home with exactly $3766 each.
Now, I ask everyone: what, if anything does that late night transaction have to do with the MSDGC or its tournament directors?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
actually Geoff was busy drinking leftover beer and doing shots in Jason's living room :D
I saw Jason monday morning and he was STILL steaming over this. later monday I talked with Cale and a few other pros, and we had a general consensus similar to what I had told Jason- if you don't want to see splitting, then make the top 3 payout very flat.
eventually disc golf will hopefully get to the point where all those top players will have big sponsors, and 1200 won't mean too much, but in todays disc golf world it definitely does. playing great for a whole weekend, then lose out on 1200 in value for what could be one bad shot? dramatic: yes ideal: no
also I am pretty sure had they not split, Geoff would have still had a great time at the event(unlike a certain 2nd place finisher last year), and still would have had that huge smile on his face all sunday night.
splitting skins is wrong, but in all honesty if I was playing legit skins, but a $700 CTP for all those skins was happening, I would split in a second. Joe Mela is a great player, but I would guess had it been score he would have finished 4th in that group. why should his 1 shot mean more than the entire round? I voiced these thoughts to Jason, suggesting that a playoff skins would happen, rather than CTP. yes CTP is climatic, but its not ideal for the players.
Now I love everyone associated with the MSDGC, and am Jason's #1 fan, but I disagree with him on the splitting of 1st place tie issue. They didn't try any less hard to win the tournament, and were still playing for other monetary reasons(sponsor bonuses, potential new sponsors after winning a huge tournament).
I got to give Geoff credit for giving Jason a honest answer, even knowing that Jason hates it. Jason asked Geoff sunday night(i was standing next to them), and Jason had been thinking of it before then too.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 25 2007, 09:12 AM
Lost in the hoopla during Sunday afternoon's round and the ensuing playoff was Ian Beaupre's ace on Pyramids Silver Hole #17. Congrats, Ian! :cool:
<font size=5><u>Aces at the 2007 Marshall Street Disc Golf Championships</u></font> <table border="1"><tr><td> Division </td><td> PDGANum </td><td> First Name </td><td> Last Name </td><td> City </td><td> State </td><td> Hole </td><td> Dist (feet) </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </td><td> 29432 </td><td> Brian </td><td> Kozicki </td><td> Manchester </td><td> CT </td><td> Pyramids Gold#6 </td><td> 246 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </td><td> 19656 </td><td> Sjur </td><td> Soleng </td><td> Norwalk </td><td> CT </td><td> Pyramids Silver#16 </td><td> 339 </td></tr>
<tr><td> MPO </td><td> 31604 </td><td> Ian </td><td> Beaupre </td><td> Portland </td><td> ME </td><td> Pyramids Silver#17 </td><td> 256 </td></tr>
</table>
cuttas
Aug 25 2007, 11:45 AM
<font color="blue"> was that the sidearm roadrunner ace? </font>
Luke Butch
Aug 25 2007, 01:26 PM
Brian's was.
I can't wait to see Sjur's ace on film
skaZZirf
Aug 26 2007, 05:26 PM
Best tournament EVER, hands down!!! if you were not there, well, you missed everything...If they have another, DO NOT miss it...MSDGC knows what they are doing!!! There are many a TD that could learn something by aTTending this event...It will be a tough wait for the DVD this year...Its gonna be sick!!!!! Thanks Southwicks and Dodges and every volunteer! See you next time!
StevenDodge
Nov 14 2007, 02:25 PM
Links to the MSDGC DVD Teasers are here: http://www.msdgc.com/
The DVDs went to Triple Disc for replication today! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
doot
Nov 15 2007, 12:02 AM
Nice teasers, Steve.
I'm salivating.
StevenDodge
Nov 15 2007, 08:44 AM
http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MSDGC%5F3%5FDVD%5FSet
skaZZirf
Nov 23 2007, 04:57 PM
Video.
Jeff_LaG
Nov 24 2007, 12:57 PM
There are some world class players on that Bloopers reel.
Nice to see they are human too. :D
MiTTenZZ
Dec 05 2007, 10:52 AM
So when can we expect to see the DVD's show up on our doorstep?
MiTTenZZ
Dec 05 2007, 09:56 PM
Anyone? Steve Dodge? Calling all people named Steve Dodge...or Jason Southwick I suppose.
MiTTenZZ
Dec 09 2007, 02:37 PM
Yehaw, when are they being delivered???
StevenDodge
Dec 09 2007, 08:43 PM
I would expect pre-orders to arrive in time for wrapping and placement under the tree.
sandalman
Dec 21 2007, 10:11 PM
got mine today.. watchin it now. some very nice footage here!
MiTTenZZ
Dec 21 2007, 11:53 PM
****, still haven't received mine yet!!
skaZZirf
Dec 22 2007, 02:03 PM
me neither
xterramatt
Dec 22 2007, 05:14 PM
forgot to preorder... but pretty sure my awesomeness is pretty much not on the DVD.... Fighting back from +6 first round probably left me off the fabulous bean footage.
kostar
Dec 22 2007, 05:34 PM
Pros agree to split because the payout curve doesn't match their payout needs. Who's fault is that?
The PDGA. Anyone that play's a pdga event should be a pro. 144 players ( a weekend) is great payout. Why is it the PDGA's fault? It's name. End of story.
playtowin
Dec 22 2007, 08:21 PM
Anyone that play's a pdga event should be a pro.
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Uh... What?
xterramatt
Dec 22 2007, 09:16 PM
I think he means, anyone who plays a PROfesional Disc Golf Association event should be called a pro. Because it's the PROfesssional Disc Golf Association.
So, I've played the MSDGC 3 times, does that make me something?
MTL21676
Dec 22 2007, 10:35 PM
So, I've played the MSDGC 3 times, does that make me something?
someone who has played it 3 more times than me.
kostar
Dec 22 2007, 10:48 PM
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I think he means, anyone who plays a PROfesional Disc Golf Association event should be called a pro . Because it's the PROfesssional Disc Golf Association.
No.. Matt. Just think, 144 players every weekend. OPen!