CAN WE START GETTING SOME RESULTS POSTED FROM THESE FRIDAY NIGHT DEALS??? :confused:

MARIE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE FINAL SCORES WERE AND WHERE TEAM "DONKEYFUR" PLACED AMOUNGST THE OTHERS. :cool:

I KNOW WE BEAT TEAM "WISETREES" BY 2 BUT HOW DID THE OTHER GROUPS END UP??? :D

CAN WE START GETTING SOME RESULTS POSTED FROM THESE FRIDAY NIGHT DEALS??? :confused:

MARIE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE FINAL SCORES WERE AND WHERE TEAM "DONKEYFUR" PLACED AMOUNGST THE OTHERS. :cool:

I KNOW WE BEAT TEAM "WISETREES" BY 2 BUT HOW DID THE OTHER GROUPS END UP??? :D


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... hiya DAN , er Furdawg ... they were in the Saturday morning Tulsa World ... October 13 , 2007 ... Sports Section ... "For The Record" section ...
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I think he meant the full results like others do post mini...

Yeah....What he ^^^ said.

Not everybody can afford the newspaper. :(

Did my cheerleader get any recognition? :confused:

... sorry ... I've never done that previously ... ( typing-them-into the six-percent message-bored ) ...
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Just the winners are in the newspaper, right? I think what Furdog wants to see is EVERYONES score not just the winners.

I like how Furdog and Treat post their mini scores....like this:


We had two good minis today. It was a little windy but hey, it's Oklahoma right :cool:

This Tuesday, flex start from 5:00 to 5:45. This is the last week night mini at Riverside. this year I plan on running minis on available weekends all winter.

Here are the morning results-

Pro
Marq Lewis 48
Justin Bougher 48
Charlie Burns 51
Devin Owens 52
Matt Shipley 58

Pro Grand Masters:

Billy Swanson 48
Wayne Gregory 55
Bud Johnson 61

Pro Master:

Richard Mitchell 48
James Diel 49

Intermediate:

Dylan Eaton

Women:

Wendy Huckeba 72
Pam Moore 76

CTP Billy Swanson


Afternoon Round-

Pro:

Dave Nicholson 43
Justin Bougher 45
Kyle Wilkes 48
Greg Winsworth 49
Harry Hinshaw 50
Devin Owens 51
Zook 52
Dan Bougher 53
Dave Wise 55

Pro Master:

Richard Mithell 44
Sean Young 47
James Diel 50

Pro Grand Master:

Billy Swanson ??
Wayne Gregory ??

Intermediate:

Dylan Eaton 54
Doug Duff 58

Rec:

Kent VanBuskirk 63
Jack 65
Jason Crofitt 73

CTP Richard Mitchell

Next event is tomorrow 12:00 start time at McClure.

It's one of those High Noon deals, entry $3.00..

Show up, have fun...

... yeah , I know ...

... Riverside tonight ... 5:30 pm ...
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Yeah....What he ^^^ said.

Not everybody can afford the newspaper. :(

Did my cheerleader get any recognition? :confused:

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifwho wants to spend the money on that rag :Dyou only use it to wipe your........feet

... 2 Saturday minis at McClure ... warm up for the Double-O ... pick up a little trash ...
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CAN WE START GETTING SOME RESULTS POSTED FROM THESE FRIDAY NIGHT DEALS??? :confused:

MARIE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE FINAL SCORES WERE AND WHERE TEAM "DONKEYFUR" PLACED AMOUNGST THE OTHERS. :cool:

I KNOW WE BEAT TEAM "WISETREES" BY 2 BUT HOW DID THE OTHER GROUPS END UP??? :D



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DO YOUR FINGER HURT WHEN YOU TYPE IN CAPS....
SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT DOG....BUT ITS OK WITH ME IF YOU STEAL MY LINE....

Well it doesn't matter whether I type it your way or my way because obviously it got veto'd by Wayne who doesn't want to type it in at all. ;)

Consider yourself one of the lucky 6% that now knows why. :D

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... here's a neat website ... met this guy in OKC this past weekend ... Jeff seems to have a lot going on ... including Disc Golf ... good pics from Sunday at Dolese ... check it out ...
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... the "Bag-Tag Weekend" is November 17-18 ... and (in "Bougher" style) :

THE STARTING COURSE WILL BE McCLURE (not riverside, as the mini-schedules show) ...

... Saturday (10th) is Riverside , 1:00pm ...
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That's a big 10-4 on Riverside this Saturday at 1:00..

I am headed to Horseshoe to help Joe and Keldog at the Canyon so Jerry Stacey has volunteered to run Riverside for me..


Thanks a lot to Jerry and I hope a lot of you turn out. The weather is looking great and Riverside is beautiful this time of year..

Have fun :cool::cool:

... the "Bag-Tag Weekend" is November 17-18 ... and (in "Bougher" style) :

THE STARTING COURSE WILL BE McCLURE (not riverside, as the mini-schedules show) ...


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> Sat. � Sun. Nov.17-18 Tulsa Bag-Tag Tournament
> Sign-Ups at McClure Park 10:30 till 1100am
> Match Play � First round tees at 11:30am
> � Entry is $10 , and bring your Bag-Tag with you �
> � For more info , call TD: Dan Bougher (918) 606-2878
> � or Mike Conners (918) 629-9370 �
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... the mini-schedule online (TDSA) has been fixed ... thank you Mr.Ward ... :cool:

Is the Bag tag match play restricted to tag owners only or can others sign up and take high numbers in the first round?

It should be restrcited to current owners. If a player didn't take the time to buy one earlier in the year and compete through out the season, and now they think this will be fun and they want in.......................................

SCREW'EM! :mad:

Buy one next year. :o

WE CAN TAKE SIGN UPS AT MCCLURE SATURDAY MORNING.
THE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR A TAG AND ENTRY FEE. (15.00 TAG + 10.00 ENTRY FEE = 25.00)

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! :mad::mad:
Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! :mad::mad:

Where were they for the last 6 months? :confused:

How are you seeding it?

How many holes is each match?

How many places to be paid?

When are tags frozen?

WHAT IS THE TEN BUCKS FOR???.....

ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY "ONE AND DONE" SHIRTS?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! :mad::mad:
Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! :mad::mad:

Where were they for the last 6 months? :confused:



I'VE BEEN RIGHT HERE KENNY. :p

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS???? :confused:

Do you own a tag?

If not, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! :mad:

NO BUT IF I WANT TO BUY ONE TO HELP FINANCE FUTURE CLUB EXPENDITURES I WILL!!!!!! :mad:

AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT KENNY!!!!! :p

And just how do you think the current tags help with any club expenditures? :confused:

AND SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE ONE..............KISS OFF! :mad:

So you're saying that none of the $15 for the bag tags are going into the club?

Even I took out the standard weekend TDSA charge of $2 per person for the "All CTP" weekend at Chandler. :confused:

I thought raising money for the club was one of the reasons for selling bag tags in the first place. :(

Maybe we would be better off setting up lemonaide stands to raise funds for club functions then.

The first three years I did tags, I donated $500 back to the club each year. I charged $10 entry the last year to raise the payout for tag owners that were in the match play.
Even with the extra $10 entry, I still usually went in the hole around $250 with the CTPS, beer and trophies.

I'm not sure how Dan is doing it, not sure where all the $15 for tags went. Maybe they paid for one or both of Justin's fenders. :D It doesn't matter, Dan was willing to step in and handle bag tags this year and I thank him for it. ;)

I just didn't want to do it myself. With time, I'm becoming more and more like you, I don't want to do anything I just want to gripe about it. :o

Well why did you come across like you knew what you're talking about when you didn't?

You're the one that griped when he said he would continue to sell them if anyone wanted in.

Now I know why you got the proximity sensors and the rear view mirror camera on your new Avalanche. You're too lazy to turn around and see what is going on. :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I never said I knew how he was doing it. Did I?

And I can gripe about letting people in that didn't own tags because. Unlike YOU I bought one. :mad:

As for knowing whats going on, you only know what I tell you. You should have just stepped up to become an administrator instead of backing out at the last minute
like the dog you are. :mad:At least then you might have had a clue. :o

As for knowing whats going on, you only know what I tell you. You should have just stepped up to become an administrator instead of backing out at the last minute
like the dog you are. :mad:At least then you might have had a clue. :o



Thank you Wise!

This is so true, as a string of PM's between the dog and I proved..... :o

But Furdog has good intentions....

I think that ALL tournaments run on Tulsa courses should give the TDSA a cut.

All of them.

I don't know if I would go that far.

I think that tags and minis support each other. Some players come to the mini for the tag match some come for the mini. While I am known for watching the bottom line "Whats in it for the club?" I think the tags just bring more to the members as a benefit of playing in club events. Dan is a member in good standing, that has taken his time and his money to run this. I don't remember the club putting anything into it.

The club does need to make money but I don't feel it should be at every event. What about charity events?
Do you think the club should be taking a cut of their action also?

Great emotional argument Dave.

And most would agree that the bottom line is no.

But in principle they should...but not a sizable one.

We need to start thinking about how events benefit the club with the NT going now....

Thank you for the answer to the Question about who could sign up and play in the bag tag next weekend. :cool:
Since the event was announced at the mini and all conflicting events were removed from the weekend by the club i was hoping that a one and done match would be available to anyone who was willing to pay the fee. :(
While I understand Dave's feelings about those of us who did not buy a tag early, :D(as I have always done in the past) :confused:it is nice to know that the general public is allowed to contribute to his paycheck next weekend. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Woof....Woof little kitty. :(

You KNOW the reason I choose not to run and now you and Andrew want to bait me into bringin up that up here?

You give me a hard time about wanting a hotdog division at your one event but you don't give the other 10-15 players who played in it last year a hard time? What's up with that? :confused:

I assumed that some of the cost of the tags (like in years past) went to the club as another fund raising idea. I really don't care what Dan does with the money. :p

And as far as what the club gives to all events like mine, yours, and Dan's??....What is free advertising on the website worth?...What is a mention of the event at TDSA mini's and in the newspaper worth?...What is taking the time to put flyers up worth? :o

Your signature says it all Dave. :p

BTW....Thanks for the PM's Andrew. Maybe all things should be discussed behind closed doors. ;)

Woof....Woof little kitty. :(

You KNOW the reason I choose not to run and now you and Andrew want to bait me into bringin up that up here?
<font color="red"> Bring it up, I don't care :oas a matter of fact, I double dog dare you</font>

You give me a hard time about wanting a hotdog division at your one event but you don't give the other 10-15 players who played in it last year a hard time? What's up with that? :confused:
<font color="red">You're the only one to ask for it, I think the rest are scared to. I never said you didn't have balls. </font>

I assumed that some of the cost of the tags (like in years past) went to the club as another fund raising idea. I really don't care what Dan does with the money. :p
<font color="red">Thats your first mistake. NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING The tags have always been kind of a side event that was indirectly supported by the club. Schedules, mini announcemtns, ect.... </font>

And as far as what the club gives to all events like mine, yours, and Dan's??....What is free advertising on the website worth?...What is a mention of the event at TDSA mini's and in the newspaper worth?...What is taking the time to put flyers up worth? :o
<font color="red">You're preaching to the choir on that one buddy </font>

Your signature says it all Dave. :p
<font color="red">**** STRAIGHT SALLY </font>

BTW....Thanks for the PM's Andrew. Maybe all things should be discussed behind closed doors. ;)

I think that ALL tournaments run on Tulsa courses should give the TDSA a cut.

All of them.



bad idea.

I purchased a tag with the premise that the funds raised would go to the club. Now your telling me that Dan can do whatever he wants with the money?

I trust Dan's judgement, he is an honest man.

It would be nice to know where the money is going.

I'm pretty sure Dan is putting all funds generated from bag tags into the payout. Obviously he needs to be reimbursed for the leather tags and rings he bought but the majority of the money should be in the payout. I think 1st through 4th get paid.

It doesn't matter where the money is going. You bought a tag so that you could drop bombs on other players. Plus it gets you into the match play format.

You might be more understanding if you had to take the time to design them, get them made, pay for them to be made, sell them, collect for them, listen to complaints and run the match play. Its a lot more than you think.

You know me Jake, I always ask where the money went but in this istance, it's Dan's tag challenge, it's Dan's match play and if you win it then some of it will be your money then.

There is no conspiracy here.

Buy a tag
Don't buy a tag

Play in the match play
Don't play in the match play

It doesn't matter.


Just what do you want for your $15?
You've probably had at least 50 match challenges.
That works out to about .30 per match, its just not that much to worry about.

You know Dan as well as I do......has he ever done you are any one else wrong that you know of? ;)

Yeah....he did.

The first time I showed up at Mac Tayor he threw a 90 degree shank during a CTP throwoff into the parking lot and skipped it across the hood of my new truck which was about 200 ft at a right angle to where he was throwing to. :(

I've gotten over it because Dan is a good guy and I know he didn't mean to. My truck though is still PO'd about it. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Let me know the next time you park your new vehicle in "shank" territory Dave and then your truck will understand how mine feels. ;)

Let me know the next time you park your new vehicle in "shank" territory Dave and then your truck will understand how mine feels. ;)



That would be about any where near any shot where you're throwing, right?

I think that ALL tournaments run on Tulsa courses should give the TDSA a cut.

All of them.



bad idea.



Thanks for the input! :)

And more importantly for your suggestions!/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Any particular reason you disagree, or are you just post happy?:o

We care for the courses to a point.

We are the only organization who consistently organizes competition on them.

We are the people who support and promote them.

I say we have some say in who gets to run tournaments there.

I remember I was driving to Arkansas with a buddy and we talked about this. And if I remember right, he would agree with me.

Obviously a "Charity" event would not have to give a huge chunk, but come on.....$1 a player minimum?

Getting money for the NT needs to be first in our minds. And silly negative posts will not get anything done, especially those that do not even offer suggestions or other input....

I just don't think that ALL events should have to give to the club. I do agree about the club having a say in who runs what courses for the minis though. One item you forgot about when mentioning the club maintaning the course is, we also pay for any stolen baskets. The city or county has never offered to replace any stolen equipment.
As it is now, the majority of competitive players in town support the club on a regular basis.
The one suggestion that I have is to find a way to tap into a small percentage of the gate at Mohawk.
How is it that the Zoo friends receive all of the money for parking 8 months out of the year. Not everyone driving through that gate is going to the zoo. I also haven't see the zoo do anything for that park out side of their gates. We haven't been given the credit for removing some of the illegal activity that had been going on out there in the past but just ask Security about it.

We have become an asset for the park. We have provided new areas for people, horses and others to use, that were not usuable in the past. We have provided untold thousands of dollars in volunteer man hours, to clear and maintain the areas. We paid for and built a bridge that can be accessed by the local fisherman, wakers and disc golfers. With all of this we have done, what have we received since worlds?

Nothing, that right, nothing. We continue to provide a service and receive nothing for it. I'm not talking about thousands of dollars that we need. But we could use several good park benches and some trash cans. Is this TOO much to ask from the parks, or should I say Zoo?

It's a public park. Anybody can run an event there so you will not be able to control it nor should you try. You already have Coberly gang doing mini's without the TDSA. You going to try and clamp down on them?

There's nothing wrong with a bunch a beer drinkers who play about the same getting together for a little DG outside the TDSA. Why let a baggin advanced to pro player in? They support both themselves and the TDSA. If they want to throw something back to the TDSA for advertising then that is a good thing.

If they are a TDSA member then they should have a right to do so without a donation if they want as long as they're not double-dating someone elses event.

You want to raise some money for the NT?.....Run a tournament and then donate all your profits to the TDSA. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

GREAT NEWS Furdog!

FurDog will be donating all of his profits from Chandler Stock this year for the NT the month after his event.
Hell of an idea buddy, glad you decided to step up on this one. :o

Sorry buddy. But those profits go to the new back nine at Chandler.

But Wayne should be there raising money at the Special Edition Night Flights like last time. :)

I'd be willing to co-td a separate PDGA sanctioned event with you though and donate all the profits. You'll have to be the main TD though because I'm not "official". :(

Did you get that last part?....I'm just wondering because your PM's are starting to break up. :confused:

SOLD!! :D
Dog will CO-TD the Spring Fling and Tulsa Metro Disc Golf Championships for 2008! :cool:
Details to be worked out in next weeks TDSA monthly meeting!! :)

Thanks Dog I needed the support and help! :cool:

I think that ALL tournaments run on Tulsa courses should give the TDSA a cut.

All of them.



bad idea.



Obviously a "Charity" event would not have to give a huge chunk, but come on.....$1 a player minimum?

Getting money for the NT needs to be first in our minds. And silly negative posts will not get anything done, especially those that do not even offer suggestions or other input....



Okay Red you know I love you right? :D My "bad idea" post was not mean to be negative, Charity events are the only tournaments in town that are not giving up funds to the TDSA and that should never change. Every other tournament held in Tulsa is backed by the TDSA and making some kind of profit from it. It would be in poor taste for the TDSA to try and make money off a Charity event. Your "idea" of making money on all tournaments is already happening. When you said "ALL TOURNAMENTS RUN ON TULSA COURSES SHOULD GIVE TDSA A CUT" is a very selfish statement. The ideal thing for you to do is come up with a more constructive idea in order to generate funds. On another note, I voted for you as an admin and it's good to see you trying to come up with money making ideas. Keep up the good work.

Also, later this winter I plan on making Baskets and Bowling an NT fundraiser...an original idea that will make a couple hundred bucks for the Green Country Classic in one day. Personally I would like to see the funds generated from B&amp;B go directly to the Open Womens payout. But Joe can do what he wants with it. I am also working on one other idea that will help make some mo money for the NT! You see Red, you don't have to be an admin to contribute to the club...i've been doing it for years.

It's a public park. Anybody can run an event there so you will not be able to control it nor should you try. You already have Coberly gang doing mini's without the TDSA. You going to try and clamp down on them?





LOL!!!

The Coberly/Hinshaw clan does not run minis. They play massive herd golf which looks like a mini. They basically put together a large casual gathering with a little disc golf on the side.

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Thanks Dog I needed the support and help! :cool:

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Sorry Martin. I'm not going to let Twoputt off the hook. I'm going to even let him put his name first because I like the way " A Wise-Dog Production " sounds. :cool:

Big thanks as always MC your B&amp;B and B&amp;G events are always a blast and a welcome generator of funds for our big events. As are Late night with DAVE and the newest edition to the efforts "Flights Events" from tree productions!
Thanks to all you guys for your past and future efforts!

Just remember everyone, even if you cannot dream up a new way to raise funds, you can always support these and other fine fun and fund raising events! :D

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Thanks Dog I needed the support and help! :cool:



Sorry Martin. I'm not going to let Twoputt off the hook. I'm going to even let him put his name first because I like the way " A Wise-Dog Production " sounds. :cool:

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wouldn't that be Two Putt - Fur dog Production???

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The Coberly/Hinshaw clan does not run minis. They play massive herd golf which looks like a mini. They basically put together a large casual gathering with a little disc golf on the side.

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Well that's even better. Herd golf keeps the grass down at Blackhawk. :)....I wonder what the entry fee is to get into one of those "herd" matches. :D...A six pack maybe? :)

Just remember everyone, even if you cannot dream up a new way to raise funds, you can always support these and other fine fun and fund raising events! :D



Exactly...the club could use some extra support from it's members this fall/winter in order to make the NT a spectacular event. Hopefully I will be playing and not just volunteering for this one ;)

Well that's even better. Herd golf keeps the grass down at Blackhawk. :)....I wonder what the entry fee is to get into one of those "herd" matches. :D...A six pack maybe? :)



A six pack gets you in the golf match for sure! A bottle of Kentucky Deluxe will get you a lifetime membership into the Coberly Clan :D

The one suggestion that I have is to find a way to tap into a small percentage of the gate at Mohawk.
How is it that the Zoo friends receive all of the money for parking 8 months out of the year. Not everyone driving through that gate is going to the zoo. I also haven't see the zoo do anything for that park out side of their gates. We haven't been given the credit for removing some of the illegal activity that had been going on out there in the past but just ask Security about it.

We have become an asset for the park. We have provided new areas for people, horses and others to use, that were not usuable in the past. We have provided untold thousands of dollars in volunteer man hours, to clear and maintain the areas. We paid for and built a bridge that can be accessed by the local fisherman, wakers and disc golfers. With all of this we have done, what have we received since worlds?

Nothing, that right, nothing. We continue to provide a service and receive nothing for it. I'm not talking about thousands of dollars that we need. But we could use several good park benches and some trash cans. Is this TOO much to ask from the parks, or should I say Zoo?



I don't think the zoo is going to cut DG'ers in for a percentage of the gate. They're getting ready to raise their zoo admission rates as it is. As far as the gate charge I think they only do that on the weekends for those eight months but I may be mistaken.

A few benches would be nice. As far as trash cans I don't think they are going to put trash cans in places on the course that won't be normally serviced.

I think if you become a Zoo friend then free parking and zoo admission is included. That might be a way to go if you play out there a lot during the pay to enter months.

I think if you become a Zoo friend then free parking and zoo admission is included. That might be a way to go if you play out there a lot during the pay to enter months.



Yeah do that...

And give them more money and STILL receive nothing in return.

Not saying Zoofriends is bad, and yeah it will save you some money if you are out there on the weekends during the paying season, but recommending that as an alternative to getting a cut from the gate?

Do you understand what Wise was saying?

He wants to see a little something back.

He wants to see some benches out there, and trashcans on the course.

He wants to make that park better with the money that we are (during the pay period) already giving them.

Yeah.....You're both right. They are making boo-coo dollars off of us. In return now they've got people littering in the woods, not just the pond, and they've got to pay people to mow places that never required mowing before.

And we deserve a piece of the gate for that?....I already mentioned the benches but how much should the parks department kick back to the fishermen and the people that go to the nature center?...Maybe the parks department can provide some pumps on the course to pump all the water out during the rainy season? :)

As far as the bridge?...What until it fails and see some lame lawyer show up and try to sue the TDSA for faulty construction. :(

What type of "Silver-Spoon" planet did you guys come from?

I'm not saying I wouldn't like more benches but expecting a cut from the gate? Get real. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

In return now they've got people littering in the woods, not just the pond...



That is why we are asking for trashcans you crazed look-alike....:o

We deserve a cut, as does the oxly nature center, which they may already be receiving a cut of the gate.

What I was trying to say is who decides that the Zoo gets 100% of the gate? I'm not saying we should get a huge chunk but lets say just even a dime per car. At least until the course is finished and funded the way it was promised. That would only be 5%. We were granted a much larger amount than we received, thanks to the 2025 catastrophie.
At 10 cents per car we could raise enough money for benches in 1 to 2 years, if not sooner. I'm unsure on the actual count of paid traffic through there but I would love to see the numbers on it. I'd bet its a lot more than most people think.

I would propose this as a funding mechanisim for as long as it takes to fund the rest of the needed equipment for the course. Including trash cans. I would be willing to service them once a month, as would Wagel or several others that call BlackHawk home, just to have them in there. ;)

Hey FurDog, why don't you spend half as much time trying to come up with an idea that will help instead trying to find something wrong with any idea that doesn't conern your precious little ant hill of a mountain. :o

Did you just volunteer to be the trash man at Mohawk? Cool.

Here are some ideas for you.

If we were supposed to get more money for the course and we didn�t then who ever negotiated the deal, you, Zooc, or whoever should find out what the deal is. I think it would be nice to get a cut of the gate but I don�t think they are going to do that since they are raising the Zoo admission. Sorry buddy but the animals come first. On top of that waiting one or two years collecting 10 cents per car seems unnecessary when we could probably raise the funds quicker though club events.

What if the TDSA had a membership card that we could show at the gate and for every two dollars we pay to get in, one dollar goes to the course fund. Maybe we could bring in more members or at least get more of them to renew. Yeah, that�s the same thing your talking about but how are they going to know who is there for DG without some type of club ID. The Zoo Friends have stickers on their cars to get through the gate. What could we have that would identify us?

It sounds like you want to take a dime off of every car that goes though the gate and that�s not right because there are way too many people coming though there that isn�t interested in DG. Why should they have to support the course? :confused:

Another idea would be to run an event to raise money for what is needed. Sell mulligan�s like Wayne does. I already told you I would co-td with you if we donate all the profits. Why are you running away from that idea? :(

If not that then why don�t you take some of the big bucks you�ve been winning and buy some quality trash cans with lids so when the water rises and they start to float, the trash doesn�t spill all over the ground. If you want we can even put your name on them as the "can" donor. :cool:

I�ve got plenty of ideas buddy. You�re just not listening. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Wise is correct, we received far less of the vision 2025 money than what was allocated to the Mohawk disc golf project and other projects (whatever they might be) sucked off the rest. (the money is gone, bye bye we will never see it etc.) As always when dealing with political issues and government departments if you do not spend it all at the first whack you do not get it. (not like baseball where you get 3 swings before you take a seat)
There will never be an equitable deal in the offing so we might as well just moveon.org it.
After all even McClure cut off funding for the 00 this year after having reduced it each year for the past few and at a time when they had the largest account balance in history.
It is not a lack of money but a lack of respect for our sport and our players, good luck on fixing that unless you can figure out a way to stick our people on some park boards and get them to show up at the meetings!

Well ok then let's move to plan B and just procure some trash cans down at Riverside. It's not like we would be stealing them. We would just be re-locating them to a place where they could provide better service to the general public. :)

I just don't think that ALL events should have to give to the club. I do agree about the club having a say in who runs what courses for the minis though. One item you forgot about when mentioning the club maintaning the course is, we also pay for any stolen baskets. The city or county has never offered to replace any stolen equipment.
As it is now, the majority of competitive players in town support the club on a regular basis.
The one suggestion that I have is to find a way to tap into a small percentage of the gate at Mohawk.
How is it that the Zoo friends receive all of the money for parking 8 months out of the year. Not everyone driving through that gate is going to the zoo. I also haven't see the zoo do anything for that park out side of their gates. We haven't been given the credit for removing some of the illegal activity that had been going on out there in the past but just ask Security about it.

We have become an asset for the park. We have provided new areas for people, horses and others to use, that were not usuable in the past. We have provided untold thousands of dollars in volunteer man hours, to clear and maintain the areas. We paid for and built a bridge that can be accessed by the local fisherman, wakers and disc golfers. With all of this we have done, what have we received since worlds?

Nothing, that right, nothing. We continue to provide a service and receive nothing for it. I'm not talking about thousands of dollars that we need. But we could use several good park benches and some trash cans. Is this TOO much to ask from the parks, or should I say Zoo?

<font color="red"> </font> Not to correct you..... but... to correct you. we have been given several benches, and the CITY has replaced several baskets throughout my tenure. I know of at least two at McClure. I agree with the rest Wise one. :D

dont bring the mcclure lack of money into the 2025 thing. they did not ask in time for money and give enough reasons to why they needed the money. also, it could have been a callin vote by the council to gwt a last minute approval of SOME kind of money. I wont name names, becasue I dont know who all is in the council, but I used to buy pop for the machine, change the signs at least monthly, and help with coucil events. I think some may have thought we have enough $$ for the supertour and did not pursue furrhter. I understand as well. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I would propose this as a funding mechanisim for as long as it takes to fund the rest of the needed equipment for the course. Including trash cans. I would be willing to service them once a month, as would Wagel or several others that call BlackHawk home, just to have them in there. ;)





Near Detroit there is a DG complex just like mohawk. They have 2 courses right next to each other. The city gave the DG club access to one of their garages on site. The club bought a golf cart and they keep it housed in that garage. Here is the deal; the city allowed the DG'ers to keep the cart in there garage as long as the dg'ers used the cart to empty all trash cans on the course. Nobody in Tulsa is going to empty trash cans at Blackhawk, we will have to find a way to do it ourselves. I have no problem talking to mohawk maintenance about housing a golf cart on site. Maybe we can revisit this after the NT next year.

FYI: Me and Wagle plan on making benches for the majority of holes at BlackHawk.

Well I only personally know of 3 benches that were provided and I'm not sure the parks department even know about those. :o

As for the city replacing baskets, that was before my time. Since I have been involved in the club they have replaced nothing.

I would just like to see Mohawk brought up to speed with the equipment that is needed. I know we are going to build some benches, but here we are again. Giving to the parks department, our labor and materials.
I know they provide the land but I still say we aren't given the credit we deserve for the money and labor we put into the system and the money that is spent in the local economy when we host tournaments.

Zooc, I noticed you didn't address the fact that the Zoo retains 100% of the gate money for their use and they have done nothing for the park out side of their gates.
Does this park belong to the public or the Tulsa Zoo?

Please give us your opinion on this issue.

I think a dime out of every $2 at the gate is absolutetly fair. There is a certain element of casual disc golfers who think it's fun to deface our courses; Hunter, McClure, Chandler, Haikey, Dovillio and The Hawks have all experienced vandalism in the past year. Who get's stuck repairing and cleaning up after these people? FRIKIN WE DO! I think it's fair to at least ask for a percentage of the gate admission. He111 man they still owe us money from the OO when they charged 50 cars $2 to get in!!!!

Odds are we will continue to do this on our own, the city can barely afford to mow grass and keep the pools open.

Hey Wise, are those soccer field benches still available over by Hilti?

Not sure about those, I haven't been over there. The soccer club no longer uses the facility and they were supposed to start construction. You may want to take a drive by and see if they have done anything.

Jerry Stacy said he would go by and get them, I had to leave town that weekend but I don't think he got over there.

Those benches would work, but I'm talking about the nice green ones like we have out there now but with one on every hole. The green ones seem to be the type that no one wants to steal or screw with.

Yeah the green ones are nice. But me and Wagle want benches on the majority of teeboxes before the NT. With 3 rounds going on out there a place to sit would be ideal.

I'll drive by Hilti sometime today. What soccer club was using the fields in case someone asks what I'm doing.

I agree we need benches before the NT. I was refering to long term.


TSC (Tulsa Soccer Club)

I agree we need benches before the NT. I was refering to long term.


TSC (Tulsa Soccer Club)



Copy that, if they are still in the ground I need a chainsaw to get em' out...swygert, are you out there?

i have about (20) 55 gallon barrels that i will gladly donate.any course that needs them.

Alas, I am called on again :D, actually, two years ago they did give us a few grand to do some tree triming. But, you are right, the zoo is its own animal, and the furdog would be good at sniffin out the details. :eek: I am becoming mute.

that would be good Brad, but make sure someone would empty them.... On the same note the Parks dept. did mow for us at Black, and this was above their normal contract, they expqanded for us.. gotta go :D

That's right Zooc. I already have sniffed out the details. Zoo Animals Rule!!!!.....And their food costs money.

$45 for a Associate Membership gets you free parking and admission for you and a guest for a year. You can visit your relatives (the monkeys) anytime you want. You're probably more into to the petting zoo though. :D

... a li'l sneak-peek at December mini-schedule : ...
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Sat. Dec. 8 �Bristow Course Work-Day� 10am
Just around the corner in Bristow ! ALL-NEW COURSE
. . . ALL Volunteers and Players Welcome . . .
Come and help us set �em in � then we�ll play it
John Barton 606-6101cell / Jose Mendoza 636-5673cell
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thats just down the street from me, have to check the schedule /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

�the December mini-schedule is finally finished � some last additions � well worth the wait � on the Club website tonight or tomorrow � on the Rules-Sign at Haikey by Thursday � on the Rules-sign at Riverside by Friday evening ( this Friday is �Friday Nite Flights� at Riverside ) � hand-out copies at Riverside also �
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� first Saturday in December is MOHAWK , 10am and 2pm � Sunday the 2nd is CHANDLER at 1pm � a volunteer work-day at BRISTOW , and first chance to play the new course � another edition of �Holiday Skins� on a Monday , New-Year�s Eve � and the last Saturday of the month will be some nice �Osage Hospitality� at The LODGE � v-e-r-y - c-o-o-l stuff �

... and (as November draws to a close) , the next mini is "Friday Nite Flights" ... this Friday , the 30th ... this month at Riverside Park ... sign-ups from 6:30pm - on ... Tee approx. 7:00pm ... see ya in the cool ...

... we caught some luck as my ol' Biker-pals reminded me today about their ABATE toy-run ...
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... me &amp; Treat switched over Sundays ... just in time ...
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... that Riverside Drive is a "restless ribbon" that day ...

... may have a li'l dampness about this evening ... but , we'll be there ... Friday Nite Flights ... at Riverside ...
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... get your info.-schedules and Flyers ... lots of excitement coming up ... (also Ice Bowl merch-request-forms) ... (also TDSA/PDGA discount membership forms for 2008 ... price ranges from $35 - $70) ...
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... the latest 'n' greatest 'n' most-up-to-datest ...
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... see you this Sunday at MoHawk ... "High Noon Flights" ... should be c-o-o-l , ay ? ...
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... get your info.-schedules and Flyers ... lots of excitement coming up ... (also Ice Bowl merch-request-forms) ... (also TDSA/PDGA discount membership forms for 2008 ... price ranges from $35 - $70) ...
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... the latest 'n' greatest 'n' most-up-to-datest ... :cool:

� Sunday�s �High-Noon-Flights� at Mohawk was something to be experienced � �shotgun-blast� or �cracking-thunder� sounding throughout them woods � made you keep your eyes-up , watching the trees above � THAT was unique � witnessing Mother Nature and some of her �self-pruning� process � saw some deer romping thru in herds also ... fun-play as well with frozen-chain baskets �

� :) ... next up : �FRIDAY NITE FLIGHTS� weaving our way around McClure Park this Friday � draw-dubs � �special low-entry of $3� � Sign-ups at 6:20pm � after a �free-CTP-throw� , we�ll look to tee-off at approx. 6:50pm � see ya there � ( p.s. one of your last-shots at getting your discounted PDGA renewals for the mailing ; ; ; and pin-pointing any �2008 Ice Bowl discs or clothes� you would like added-in for the end of January ) �
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� :) ... this Saturday is 2-minis , 2-payouts at McClure � 10:00am and 2:00pm �
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� :) ... this Sunday is Riverside Park � 1:30pm mini � BE ADVISED : get along there early-early , or you won�t be able to park in the Parking Lot � the 2008 ABATE Toy Run rolls down Riverside beginning at 1:00 �

HEY FOREST,

COULD WE GO OUT ON A LIMB AND CHANGE THE NAME OF THE MINI'S...?
FRIDAY NITE FLIGHTS = THROW AND TOW A LIMB DRAW DOUBLES
SATURDAYS 10:00 AND 2:00 = PLAY AND STACK A LIMB
SUNDAYS 1:30 = PARK AND PULL A LIMB

MAY HELP THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SOME....WHAT DO YOU THINK?....ZOOC MAY WANT TO HAVE SEVERAL MINIS THIS MONTH?

That is no [email protected]#t!! If you havent seen McClure all I have to say is....WOW!! I've lived here my whole life and NEVER have seen anything like it. Hole 7's high hyzer line will definatley be alot easier now, possibly hole 9 also. It is truly a sad sight to see. I would bet that at least 25% of the trees in the whole park will have to be completely removed!...it's that bad!! Luckily all of the baskets escaped any direct hits....as of yesterday at least. I can only imagine what Blackhawk, Redhawk and Haikey look like.

I plan on walking Black sometime tomorrow. Red does not look good.

MIKE...YOU MIGHT CALL AND SEE IF THEY ARE OPENING THE GATES BEFORE GOING...ITS POSSIBLE THAT ZOO WON'T OPEN UNTIL AFTER NEW YEARS FROM ALL THE DOWN TREES AROUND THE PARK AND INSIDE THE ZOO ITS POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL TAKE WEEKS BEFORE ANYONE SEES THE INSIDE OF THE PARK....?

Yup...it's going to be a big job getting the courses back up to par.

i drove by haikey a couple hours ago...those old trees had no chance. it's really bad.

... see ya tonight ...

There will NOT be a mini at Mack Taylor sunday. The whole park is several feet deep in limbs. I am posting this for Fraizer who like myself is still without power at home...... :mad:

Per FurDog and Pat Standingbear, there will be no minis at Chandler this next Staurday, as the park will not be open due to ice storm damage. ;)

Ho..Ho..Ho...Ho...Ho!!!!

� the upcoming organized-mini schedule has necessary changes involved � the next two scheduled-dates (Chandler , Dec.22 , 2-minis) and (Mack Taylor , Dec.23 , 1-mini) ARE BOTH CANCELLED � the Park is either closed-to-the-public and/or Disc-Golf Course unplayable � the TDSA website will have a Notice up early this week �
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� the next time you can count on a scheduled Event looks like �Late Night with David� moonlight-mini &gt; at McClure , Dec.26 , approx. 6:30pm � this would be the 73rd EDITION of these long-running-events � KUDOS to Big Dave Nicholson �
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� the following Saturday (Dec.29) has two minis scheduled at THE LODGE , Pawhuska , 10am and 2pm � hopefully , Jim Taylor hasn�t experienced any severe damages to the Course � � � the next day (Sunday , Dec.30) will have Michael Treat back out at Riverside for a 1:30pm mini �

� the only other action on the December mini-schedule in question is a �New-Year�s-Eve Skins Special� set for Mohawk on Monday , Dec.31 � David Wise (TD) will obviously update here if a cancellation (or relocation) in the future is necessary � he�s always got his eyes on those Courses , so you can rest assured it�s in good hands � it might be possible that he will request volunteer-help for some �fairway-clearing� soon � so keep your ears open � this Saturday and Sunday just opened up from mini-cancellations , so it�s possible he may make that request � I�ll be there if he asks for help �

Bristow:
A littel moist in places but playable
I cleared fairways Sunday so come play if u want this weekend
thanks
John Barton

FYI....

I heard the Zoo is going to be open this weekend and admission will be free. So if Mohawks gates are closed now then they should be open on Saturday.

If they open Saturday it should be just in time for the SNOW!!!

That would be great! There is nothing like Mohawk in the snow, it is beautifull back there. ;)

Has anyone even been in to see if it is playable?
I don't mine the snow...
but crawling over trees just to get around the course
well.... that I am just not up for.
D.P. :D

No one can get in until they open the gates this weekend.

If we play Mohawk in the snow I will help caddy for anyone who is also going to carry a chain saw.
I will tote their golf bag and they can handle the chain saw

Mini update:
Saturday 12/29/2007
The Lodge: 10:00 AM -- 2:00 PM 2/2 split mini 2 fee / 2 pay outs
$6.00 + each

Sunday 12/30/2007
Riverside Park: 1:30 PM
$6.00+

Monday 12/31/2007
New Year's Eve Skins Special
McClure "Severe O.B." Special
1:00 PM T.D. Dave "Twoputt" Wise 232-8562
3 entry levels: $20.00, or $40.00 or $60.00(higher if agreed on)
Last cash for 2007!

... tonight is "Friday Nite Flights" at Riverside ... sign-ups at 6:30 ... tee approx. 7:00pm ...
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... Sunday is at Hunter at 1:30pm ...

what are the results of the mini at hunter

� this Saturday (19th) , you should go play the OKC Ice Bowl at Arcadia � always a blast on that Course � drive over early ; they tee at 9:30am �
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� on Sunday � at Riverside � 2:00pm tee-off � a �Prelude To Ice� � �special Mini� � low-entry fee of 3-dollar � .50cent mulligans � (maximum of 10) � practice your �short-game� � practice your �touch and control� shots � practice your �mulligan management� � also : anyone who �pre-ordered� their �Ice Bowl Merch.� , I will have that stuff loaded up as well � you can get it this Sunday if you wish � or wait till next Saturday (26th) � that�s your call � (only exception is SuperColor Buzzes : not arrived yet) �

� we're there � ! ! !
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� the new TDSA February schedule will make it�s debut this Wednesday evening at McClure Park � �Late Night with David Nicholson� � another edition of this long-running tradition � tee approx. 6:30pm � get your first copy of �the latest and greatest and most-up-to-datest� �

... 2-morrow ... night-like ... Feb - wary One ... "Friday Nite Flights" is at McClure Park ... sign-em-ups begin 6:30pm ... still on the "low entry fee" of $3 bucks ... mullies available (up to 5) ... Drawin'-Doubles ... a free CTP ... tee approx. 7:00pm ...

� after McClure to-night ( �Friday-Nite-Flights� ) , there are a few things showing this weekend �
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We need people with chainsaws and people with hands and gloves. We will begin going back to some of the mountians of brush we left and cutting and stacking anything that will not go through a chipper. We will try to get a chipper in there in the coming weeks.